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Offline KevenKeys

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[IC] Keebsake Artisan Tray - (6.5.21 Update)
« on: Fri, 12 February 2021, 18:56:29 »
Keebsake Artisan Case / Tray
The Keebsake is a premium artisan display case / tray with a small footprint, 2.25u support, and modular inserts (aluminum only).



***Updates***
6.5.21

Had a brass insert made for those who are interested in a brass insert as either their primary insert or as an additional one. Came out pretty epic!



5.9.21
The latest aluminum prototypes arrived! These reflect the final product for the aluminum Keebsake with modular inserts to provide compatibility for different artisan sizes.
Looking for one more round of feedback before running the GB. Greatly appreciate the input! IC FORM: https://forms.gle/gPhgYNZ2aQVmL4KM6









I am exploring a lid but this may come down the road. Prototype ordered.


4.14.21




2nd round of polycarbonate prototypes arrived. These are not dyed but rather painted.
Manufacturer remaking the smoke color due to some finish issues. The remade version should arrive in a few weeks.
This polycarbonate version will become a budget option vs. the aluminum at the expense of not being modular. In addition to color, 2 formats will be offered for selection – 1u and 2.25u



ABOUT ME, DESIGN INSPIRATION & INITIAL PROTOTYPES:
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About Me:
  • Hello everyone, my name is Kevin and outside of my career I dabble in music production, photography, and wood-working among other things.
    I’ve been in this super fun hobby for a year. It started with a friend raving about his Key65 which led me to buy my first 60%.... an AnnePro2. I then moved on to an acrylic Tofu and a few weeks after that I was buying everything in sight. In the process, I fell in love with RAMA artisans and handmade artisans.

Why Did I Make This Case?
  • I wanted a small display for my artisans that had support for 2.25u artisans.
Design Inspiration:
  • Stream deck / Macropads / WKL …………..let me explain
  • My initial prototype was smaller and was inspired by Macropads and stream decks for their angle. I loved the way Alexotos and Taeha would have their macropads sitting on their desks with fun artisans.
  • I wanted to find a way to elegantly support 2.25u artisans and match my boards. Enter one of my favorite aesthetics in the keyboard scene… WKL.
There Is Another Project With This Name!
  • After coming up with what seemed like a great name (a play on keepsakes) months ago, it turns out an awesome person came up with it 2.5 years ago for a neat way of storing their keycaps! JwordFish was kind enough to let me share in the name for the product. Check out his project at www.Keebsake.com which will lead you to his project on Instagram! He is still very much interested in making them a reality and plans to continue prototyping new sizes! He has other ideas up his sleeve as well! Check it out and let him know if you like his project!


Details / Roadmap
Features:
  • Designed to hold 14 1u artisans or ten 1u PLUS two 2.25u artisans. The slots run larger than the typical keycap size to make room for larger artisans like Ookeys from Hungry Hustlers (They are thicc)
  • Aluminum + Polycarb variants will be offered. The aluminum version is modular to allow for customization and increase compatibility down the road.
  • The aluminum version is made of 6063.
  • The polycarb versions are painted vs. dyed. The finish is great and durable. This is how I am attempting to achieve a budget option.
  • ”Keebsake” logo has different placement on polycarb (back of the top piece) vs aluminum (bottom side).
Pricing
  • TBD but poly will be budget option vs. aluminum
QTY
  • 50-100 units for the initial run. Pricing will be based on 100 but I will bridge depending on how short.
Colors:
  • To be finalized but you can provide suggestions in feedback form.
Next steps / Road map
  • Looking to obtain feedback from the community before running the GB
  • If there is international interest please fill out the form and let me know where you are from <3
  • Hoping to run May sometime between June - early July but I have to make sure I am 100% satisfied with the project
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Re: [IC] Keebsake Artisan Case
« Reply #1 on: Fri, 12 February 2021, 18:57:47 »
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Re: [IC] Keebsake Artisan Case
« Reply #2 on: Fri, 12 February 2021, 19:00:07 »
Oh my God, YES!! I need this!!! Beautiful case, very elegant -- definitely getting one  :D

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Re: [IC] Keebsake Artisan Case
« Reply #3 on: Wed, 17 February 2021, 18:12:18 »
*Update* So I am hoping to get more feedback in the google forms so I have a larger sample size to go off of BUT so far It looks like I need to offer E-white and need to change fonts. I am 100% in support of that. I only used the font I had to test the idea of having the engraving in the first place. Now is a good time to play with some changes since I have a few days before the factory returns from CNY and begins my 2nd round of prototypes. I am going to swap E-white in and pull the gray one out. Also in the feedback form someone suggested what turned out to be an awesome font. Here are some screenshots of the model with the new font:



 I love this new font. Can you guys tell me what you think of this font please?

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Thank you :)

Oh my God, YES!! I need this!!! Beautiful case, very elegant -- definitely getting one  :D

Haha thank you!

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[IC] Keebsake Artisan Case
« Reply #4 on: Wed, 17 February 2021, 23:06:09 »
Haha,  SO SICK. Good job :)


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Re: [IC] Keebsake Artisan Case
« Reply #5 on: Wed, 17 February 2021, 23:15:50 »
It might be good to offer a variant with the 2.25U slots split into two 1U slots. Would look cleaner for those that don't have any 2.25U artisans

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Re: [IC] Keebsake Artisan Case
« Reply #6 on: Wed, 17 February 2021, 23:50:16 »
I like dis. I almost feel like it would be nice to only have one large artisan slot in the bottom center.

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Re: [IC] Keebsake Artisan Case
« Reply #7 on: Thu, 18 February 2021, 00:09:28 »
It might be good to offer a variant with the 2.25U slots split into two 1U slots. Would look cleaner for those that don't have any 2.25U artisans

I agree on this.  A UV resistant lid would also be a nice addition if this will be exposed to light all the time.  Cool idea regardless, I like smaller artisan cases.

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Re: [IC] Keebsake Artisan Case
« Reply #8 on: Thu, 18 February 2021, 02:11:00 »
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Re: [IC] Keebsake Artisan Case
« Reply #9 on: Thu, 18 February 2021, 09:15:17 »
This is very nice

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Re: [IC] Keebsake Artisan Case
« Reply #10 on: Thu, 18 February 2021, 09:27:56 »
Fantastic concept and design! Looks like it shows off your artisans beautifully. I'm not a huge fan of handwriting style fonts, but that's personal preference so probably irrelevant.

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Re: [IC] Keebsake Artisan Case
« Reply #11 on: Sat, 20 February 2021, 12:07:57 »
Just want to start off by saying thank you all for taking the time to check out the post and for responding with feedback! I really do appreciate it regardless if you want one or not.

I like dis. I almost feel like it would be nice to only have one large artisan slot in the bottom center.
So bottom center as in remove the blocker?

This is very nice
Thank you!
Haha,  SO SICK. Good job :)


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Thank you!

It might be good to offer a variant with the 2.25U slots split into two 1U slots. Would look cleaner for those that don't have any 2.25U artisans
Thank you for the feedback. So offering 2 variants might only become viable with larger quantities. Based on feedback so far I doubt I will get there on a first run. That being said, the creative juices are flowing and I have an idea that might make both sides happy. I am reworking the model and will have to get new quotes for it so hang tight. Just for my knowledge, what do you think of how it looks/works in its current state? I have a picture up where I have 2 1u artisans in the 2.25 slot. Is it unsightly? Thanks again!

It might be good to offer a variant with the 2.25U slots split into two 1U slots. Would look cleaner for those that don't have any 2.25U artisans

I agree on this.  A UV resistant lid would also be a nice addition if this will be exposed to light all the time.  Cool idea regardless, I like smaller artisan cases.
Thanks for the feedback! So this topic is pretty interesting and I have been reaching out to artisan makers for opinions. I would also love to have a healthy discussion on this topic too bc I AM SUPER CURIOUS to hear what people have to say. I reached out to one of my favorite artisan makers and we chatted about UV and current/past case offerings. If you look at many of the GBs that have passed I can only see Archetypes beautiful Chronos being one of the only ones that state the lid is coated for UV protection. Simple acrylic and glass do not possess the ability to block "most" UV light in their common uncoated state. When you buy prescription glasses you get the ability to purchase similar coatings for your lens. I am no expert on the subject and would prefer to hear stories of how and when people noticed their artisans yellowing. This one particular maker mention their artisans are on their desk in a lid-less case and 2 have been on there for more than a year next to a window. Mixed resin is pretty resistant to UV compared to unmixed is what I was told. 

All that being said, on this particular design I really do like to see my artisans without any glare. The subject becomes one that appears in other worlds filled with collectors which is a split discussion. If you had the original Mona Lisa in your collection would you keep in a vault protected and never look at it OR would you hang up somewhere you could appreciate it. If you had a Ferrari F40 would it be a garage queen or would you take it out to the track? No wrong answer here at all. I bring this up to mention this case is for those who want to see them, grab them and swap them pretty frequently. You can even have the best of both worlds by having something like a Wongbox, Naptime, Stashbox, Sisi, or Chronos for storage/preservation of the larger collection and leave some favorites on the desk on here. This has a smaller footprint after all.

Super excited to hear some thoughts on this!! 

Fantastic concept and design! Looks like it shows off your artisans beautifully. I'm not a huge fan of handwriting style fonts, but that's personal preference so probably irrelevant.

Thank you! I am playing with the idea of moving the engraving to the back of the top piece. I will drop a picture soon and ask for feedback on that as well!


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Re: [IC] Keebsake Artisan Case
« Reply #12 on: Sat, 20 February 2021, 21:35:39 »

It might be good to offer a variant with the 2.25U slots split into two 1U slots. Would look cleaner for those that don't have any 2.25U artisans
Thank you for the feedback. So offering 2 variants might only become viable with larger quantities. Based on feedback so far I doubt I will get there on a first run. That being said, the creative juices are flowing and I have an idea that might make both sides happy. I am reworking the model and will have to get new quotes for it so hang tight. Just for my knowledge, what do you think of how it looks/works in its current state? I have a picture up where I have 2 1u artisans in the 2.25 slot. Is it unsightly? Thanks again!

Personally speaking (by no means on behalf of anyone else) it does look a bit weird especially when the rows above are split into 1x1 slots.
There's also a possibility that if caps aren't aligned properly to the left/right in the 2.25u slot it just looks a bit weird lol

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Re: [IC] Keebsake Artisan Case
« Reply #13 on: Sun, 21 February 2021, 01:47:28 »
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It might be good to offer a variant with the 2.25U slots split into two 1U slots. Would look cleaner for those that don't have any 2.25U artisans

I agree on this.  A UV resistant lid would also be a nice addition if this will be exposed to light all the time.  Cool idea regardless, I like smaller artisan cases.
Thanks for the feedback! So this topic is pretty interesting and I have been reaching out to artisan makers for opinions. I would also love to have a healthy discussion on this topic too bc I AM SUPER CURIOUS to hear what people have to say. I reached out to one of my favorite artisan makers and we chatted about UV and current/past case offerings. If you look at many of the GBs that have passed I can only see Archetypes beautiful Chronos being one of the only ones that state the lid is coated for UV protection. Simple acrylic and glass do not possess the ability to block "most" UV light in their common uncoated state. When you buy prescription glasses you get the ability to purchase similar coatings for your lens. I am no expert on the subject and would prefer to hear stories of how and when people noticed their artisans yellowing. This one particular maker mention their artisans are on their desk in a lid-less case and 2 have been on there for more than a year next to a window. Mixed resin is pretty resistant to UV compared to unmixed is what I was told. 

All that being said, on this particular design I really do like to see my artisans without any glare. The subject becomes one that appears in other worlds filled with collectors which is a split discussion. If you had the original Mona Lisa in your collection would you keep in a vault protected and never look at it OR would you hang up somewhere you could appreciate it. If you had a Ferrari F40 would it be a garage queen or would you take it out to the track? No wrong answer here at all. I bring this up to mention this case is for those who want to see them, grab them and swap them pretty frequently. You can even have the best of both worlds by having something like a Wongbox, Naptime, Stashbox, Sisi, or Chronos for storage/preservation of the larger collection and leave some favorites on the desk on here. This has a smaller footprint after all.

Super excited to hear some thoughts on this!!

UV damage is real.  You can look at any white artisan from years past and see the signs.  One maker may not experience it as much based on material selection, however its real.  You can look at window tint as an example.  There is tint that blocks UV rays.  Ive made this suggestion to other people in the past with no success, so dont feel like saying "no" is a bad thing.  Just throwing it out there.

But also, dust.

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Re: [IC] Keebsake Artisan Case
« Reply #14 on: Wed, 24 February 2021, 20:11:40 »
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It might be good to offer a variant with the 2.25U slots split into two 1U slots. Would look cleaner for those that don't have any 2.25U artisans

I agree on this.  A UV resistant lid would also be a nice addition if this will be exposed to light all the time.  Cool idea regardless, I like smaller artisan cases.
Thanks for the feedback! So this topic is pretty interesting and I have been reaching out to artisan makers for opinions. I would also love to have a healthy discussion on this topic too bc I AM SUPER CURIOUS to hear what people have to say. I reached out to one of my favorite artisan makers and we chatted about UV and current/past case offerings. If you look at many of the GBs that have passed I can only see Archetypes beautiful Chronos being one of the only ones that state the lid is coated for UV protection. Simple acrylic and glass do not possess the ability to block "most" UV light in their common uncoated state. When you buy prescription glasses you get the ability to purchase similar coatings for your lens. I am no expert on the subject and would prefer to hear stories of how and when people noticed their artisans yellowing. This one particular maker mention their artisans are on their desk in a lid-less case and 2 have been on there for more than a year next to a window. Mixed resin is pretty resistant to UV compared to unmixed is what I was told. 

All that being said, on this particular design I really do like to see my artisans without any glare. The subject becomes one that appears in other worlds filled with collectors which is a split discussion. If you had the original Mona Lisa in your collection would you keep in a vault protected and never look at it OR would you hang up somewhere you could appreciate it. If you had a Ferrari F40 would it be a garage queen or would you take it out to the track? No wrong answer here at all. I bring this up to mention this case is for those who want to see them, grab them and swap them pretty frequently. You can even have the best of both worlds by having something like a Wongbox, Naptime, Stashbox, Sisi, or Chronos for storage/preservation of the larger collection and leave some favorites on the desk on here. This has a smaller footprint after all.

Super excited to hear some thoughts on this!!

UV damage is real.  You can look at any white artisan from years past and see the signs.  One maker may not experience it as much based on material selection, however its real.  You can look at window tint as an example.  There is tint that blocks UV rays.  Ive made this suggestion to other people in the past with no success, so dont feel like saying "no" is a bad thing.  Just throwing it out there.

But also, dust.

I hope that didn't come out wrong. I 100% know that UV damage in resin is real. I've filled in cavities and cracks in live edge slabs with resin in my wood projects. If I were to look at some of the shelves throughout my house, there is one in particular with resin fills which yellowed quite a bit over time. It used to hang about a foot away from floor to ceiling glass windows on the 5th floor of an apartment complex that would get drenched in sun for a few years. That is the only one that has yellowed. So its not a matter of "if" more so its a matter of how long it takes under which conditions (which is beyond me to calculate lol). I have a wood table with resin filling that receives quite a bit of sun daily but is not in direct sunlight and it has not yellowed (about 6 years old). I imagine most desk setups are not in direct sunlight because it would be hard to work. All that to say.... I try not to let the worry take the fun out of the hobby. If I am too afraid of UV I would probably not even mount them on a keyboard either.

I do appreciate the input and the part where saying "no" is ok. Its a good reminder to myself. To be honest I do feel like if I adjust the design to accommodate a lid, I will need to raise the sides and we will have the typical box look which is great, but not what I was trying to do here. Most likely a lid will not happen on this design but I will keep an open mind as I continue playing with designs!

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Re: [IC] Keebsake Artisan Case
« Reply #15 on: Wed, 24 February 2021, 22:16:19 »
Don't add a lid. This is a Key tray, not a case. I have a few similar trays and I love that I can just swap caps in and out. Stay true to your vision. The people who want significant changes aren't going to be customers anyway.
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Re: [IC] Keebsake Artisan Case
« Reply #16 on: Thu, 25 February 2021, 11:10:07 »
Don't add a lid. This is a Key tray, not a case. I have a few similar trays and I love that I can just swap caps in and out. Stay true to your vision. The people who want significant changes aren't going to be customers anyway.

I am so glad you posted in here.... every time I describe this project to people I use the word tray. I wanted to call it a tray but ended up calling it a case. I didn't know if the word tray would make sense for most. Appreciate the words!! How you use your trays is how I use this!

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Re: [IC] Keebsake Artisan Tray - (4.14.21 Update)
« Reply #17 on: Wed, 14 April 2021, 11:08:28 »
New update! See above.

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Re: [IC] Keebsake Artisan Tray - (4.14.21 Update)
« Reply #18 on: Sun, 09 May 2021, 10:49:13 »
New update! Would greatly appreciate input from anyone interested in the form!

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Re: [IC] Keebsake Artisan Tray - (4.14.21 Update)
« Reply #19 on: Thu, 13 May 2021, 18:12:07 »
This looks great! Whats a good way to keep up to date with the status of this outside of geekhack? (I'm new to the website)

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« Reply #20 on: Thu, 13 May 2021, 19:25:27 »
This looks great! Whats a good way to keep up to date with the status of this outside of geekhack? (I'm new to the website)

Thank you! For now, you can follow my IG at https://www.instagram.com/kevenkeys/ . As more details get ironed out and the website comes online, there will be a way to sign up for notifications :) . I will be sure to announce it in as many places as possible.

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Re: [IC] Keebsake Artisan Tray - (4.14.21 Update)
« Reply #21 on: Sat, 15 May 2021, 13:53:17 »
Don't add a lid. This is a Key tray, not a case. I have a few similar trays and I love that I can just swap caps in and out. Stay true to your vision. The people who want significant changes aren't going to be customers anyway.
I will for sure buy if a lid is added but i think you should influence the design they way you choose because designs are usually best captured when the designer has free reign.


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Re: [IC] Keebsake Artisan Tray - (4.14.21 Update)
« Reply #22 on: Sat, 15 May 2021, 14:28:05 »
Been looking for something like that for a while and this one seems pretty much perfect.

Personally I like the lid, especially if it's removable. I don't change my artisans daily, and it's nice to have a dust cover.

My only worry is that it looks like this Tray will be pretty expensive. I really hope the Alu version can be at 100$ max.
   

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Re: [IC] Keebsake Artisan Tray - (4.14.21 Update)
« Reply #23 on: Sat, 15 May 2021, 14:50:51 »
Been looking for something like that for a while and this one seems pretty much perfect.

Personally I like the lid, especially if it's removable. I don't change my artisans daily, and it's nice to have a dust cover.

My only worry is that it looks like this Tray will be pretty expensive. I really hope the Alu version can be at 100$ max.

Don't add a lid. This is a Key tray, not a case. I have a few similar trays and I love that I can just swap caps in and out. Stay true to your vision. The people who want significant changes aren't going to be customers anyway.
I will for sure buy if a lid is added but i think you should influence the design they way you choose because designs are usually best captured when the designer has free reign.


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Agreed. I will buy this either way, but a lid would be really nice if you can make it work. Only do what you feels right is for your project :).

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Re: [IC] Keebsake Artisan Tray - (4.14.21 Update)
« Reply #24 on: Sat, 15 May 2021, 16:34:01 »
Oooh I like :D
Definitely following this closely!

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Re: [IC] Keebsake Artisan Tray - (4.14.21 Update)
« Reply #25 on: Sun, 16 May 2021, 11:45:26 »
Don't add a lid. This is a Key tray, not a case. I have a few similar trays and I love that I can just swap caps in and out. Stay true to your vision. The people who want significant changes aren't going to be customers anyway.
I will for sure buy if a lid is added but i think you should influence the design they way you choose because designs are usually best captured when the designer has free reign.

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My prototyped lid, which can be seen in the render above, was the answer to the question on how to add a lid without changing the design. I do like this lid design and should have the prototype within 2 weeks.

The issue with  this type of lid is that its much more complex than what you've seen on other cases, which are just a flat piece of acrylic (those are dirt cheap). With complexity comes price and right now the only reason I have not guaranteed the possibility of a lid is because at 50 units (lets say half of the buyers want one) the lid is still quite expensive. However, I am trying to find other manufacturing methods. I believe this style of lid can be injection molded which would have a considerable initial cost (could be a few thousand for a mold) but a very cheap per unit cost. I don't want to get ahead of myself but what it comes down to is how much demand there is for the case. If there is plenty I will buy the mold.

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Re: [IC] Keebsake Artisan Tray - (4.14.21 Update)
« Reply #26 on: Sun, 16 May 2021, 11:56:52 »
Been looking for something like that for a while and this one seems pretty much perfect.
Personally I like the lid, especially if it's removable. I don't change my artisans daily, and it's nice to have a dust cover.
My only worry is that it looks like this Tray will be pretty expensive. I really hope the Alu version can be at 100$ max.

Unfortunately the amount of parts + using 6063 grade aluminum (for finish reasons) will make the aluminum more expensive than your mentioned price. The poly would meet that budget and is really nice as well.

Agreed. I will buy this either way, but a lid would be really nice if you can make it work. Only do what you feels right is for your project :).
Appreciate that  :) thank you

Oooh I like :D
Definitely following this closely!
Thank you  :) :) :)
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Re: [IC] Keebsake Artisan Tray - (4.14.21 Update)
« Reply #27 on: Sun, 16 May 2021, 13:28:50 »
Alright thanks for the reply.

I of course don't know how much it costs to make, but even around 100$ already seemed fairly expensive to me when a good amound of 60-65% alu boards with pcb and plate are around 300$.
Or the WongBox+ currently in GB that is selling for 95$. I understand your design is a lot more complex, but it seems to use a lot less Aluminium.

I understand you cannot make a 1 to 1 comparison, but hopefully it's not too much over the 100$ mark.
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Re: [IC] Keebsake Artisan Tray - (4.14.21 Update)
« Reply #28 on: Sun, 16 May 2021, 18:17:41 »
Alright thanks for the reply.

I of course don't know how much it costs to make, but even around 100$ already seemed fairly expensive to me when a good amound of 60-65% alu boards with pcb and plate are around 300$.
Or the WongBox+ currently in GB that is selling for 95$. I understand your design is a lot more complex, but it seems to use a lot less Aluminium.

I understand you cannot make a 1 to 1 comparison, but hopefully it's not too much over the 100$ mark.

Yes you are correct on not being a 1-to-1 comparison and there is much to consider. Machining costs > aluminum material cost. Andromeda was $750 during GB... its a tkl like many others but about 2.5x the price tag. Its complex shape and curved sides require ALOT of machining time.

The more components, the greater the expense. The Adelie is a 50% keyboard and by that logic it should've been priced below $300 yet It sold out at $550 during its GB. Its more expensive because of the PVD sides and the number of components (its not a typical top/bottom as it has 2 additional side pieces in addition to its bottom weight).

Wongbox is certainly larger but I also didn't see anywhere listed the type of aluminum. I am going to assume it must to be 6061. If I ran 6061, my cost would reduce significantly. My choice was simply about finish quality consistency. Wongbox also does not have an aluminum stand. You have to pay $13 for a 3d printed one so really its $108 to compare to this.

A better comparison is the Chronos which is full 6063 aluminum and came in just under $200 with the additional order of legs. Thats a larger box and honestly good value. It is also my absolute favorite outside of my own. I would have bought one if I didn't make my prototype. Mine will be priced under the Chronos but again, keep in mind the number of components (aluminum Keebsake has 4 components in total)

I honestly appreciate you sharing your viewpoint. I hope that helps bring a little more clarity from this side of the table. At the end of the day, I prototyped 3 times because it was never meant to just "check the box" for artisan storage. I set out to make something special and I hope everyone who gets one understands and shares that same feeling. <3

Offline General_Pretzel

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Re: [IC] Keebsake Artisan Tray - (5.9.21 Update)
« Reply #29 on: Sun, 16 May 2021, 19:05:23 »
Any chance you would consider getting rid of the blocker and adding a spacebar insert?

I have several artisan spacebars and nowhere to put them because no one makes spacebar slots in artisan cases for some reason...

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Re: [IC] Keebsake Artisan Tray - (4.14.21 Update)
« Reply #30 on: Sun, 16 May 2021, 19:14:55 »
Alright thanks for the reply.

I of course don't know how much it costs to make, but even around 100$ already seemed fairly expensive to me when a good amound of 60-65% alu boards with pcb and plate are around 300$.
Or the WongBox+ currently in GB that is selling for 95$. I understand your design is a lot more complex, but it seems to use a lot less Aluminium.

I understand you cannot make a 1 to 1 comparison, but hopefully it's not too much over the 100$ mark.

Yes you are correct on not being a 1-to-1 comparison and there is much to consider. Machining costs > aluminum material cost. Andromeda was $750 during GB... its a tkl like many others but about 2.5x the price tag. Its complex shape and curved sides require ALOT of machining time.

The more components, the greater the expense. The Adelie is a 50% keyboard and by that logic it should've been priced below $300 yet It sold out at $550 during its GB. Its more expensive because of the PVD sides and the number of components (its not a typical top/bottom as it has 2 additional side pieces in addition to its bottom weight).

Wongbox is certainly larger but I also didn't see anywhere listed the type of aluminum. I am going to assume it must to be 6061. If I ran 6061, my cost would reduce significantly. My choice was simply about finish quality consistency. Wongbox also does not have an aluminum stand. You have to pay $13 for a 3d printed one so really its $108 to compare to this.

A better comparison is the Chronos which is full 6063 aluminum and came in just under $200 with the additional order of legs. Thats a larger box and honestly good value. It is also my absolute favorite outside of my own. I would have bought one if I didn't make my prototype. Mine will be priced under the Chronos but again, keep in mind the number of components (aluminum Keebsake has 4 components in total)

I honestly appreciate you sharing your viewpoint. I hope that helps bring a little more clarity from this side of the table. At the end of the day, I prototyped 3 times because it was never meant to just "check the box" for artisan storage. I set out to make something special and I hope everyone who gets one understands and shares that same feeling. <3


Thanks a lot for the detailed explanation.

I hope I will be able to pick up 2  :thumb:
   

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Re: [IC] Keebsake Artisan Tray - (5.9.21 Update)
« Reply #31 on: Mon, 17 May 2021, 07:30:15 »
Oh I very much like this. Will be watching.

Offline KevenKeys

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Re: [IC] Keebsake Artisan Tray - (5.9.21 Update)
« Reply #32 on: Sat, 05 June 2021, 15:35:43 »
Any chance you would consider getting rid of the blocker and adding a spacebar insert?

I have several artisan spacebars and nowhere to put them because no one makes spacebar slots in artisan cases for some reason...

I hear your pain! That is why I created this case.... to cater for 2.25u artisans which there are no cases for. I personally don't collect spacebars and don't plan to. This case is not wide enough for spacebars. It would need to grow in width, which just wouldn't look as good in my opinion.

I think we have to let spacebars get a little more popular. I've had far more people ask for 1u versions of my case than 2.25u. I imagine once the scene catches up with anything larger than 1u, more options for spacebar sets will appear. I will keep it in the back of my mind.... maybe a spacebar specific case down the road to hold a few might be a good idea.

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Re: [IC] Keebsake Artisan Tray - (5.9.21 Update)
« Reply #33 on: Sat, 05 June 2021, 15:37:08 »

Thanks a lot for the detailed explanation.

I hope I will be able to pick up 2  :thumb:

lol sounds good!

Oh I very much like this. Will be watching.

Thank you!

Offline KevenKeys

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Re: [IC] Keebsake Artisan Tray - (5.9.21 Update)
« Reply #34 on: Sat, 05 June 2021, 15:39:56 »
New update above! Brass insert prototype arrived!  :D

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Re: [IC] Keebsake Artisan Tray - (5.9.21 Update)
« Reply #35 on: Sat, 05 June 2021, 16:34:54 »
I love everything about this, It shows off artisans perfectly!

Offline KevenKeys

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Re: [IC] Keebsake Artisan Tray - (5.9.21 Update)
« Reply #36 on: Sat, 05 June 2021, 18:26:45 »
I love everything about this, It shows off artisans perfectly!

Thank you!!