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Offline keyboardlover

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Would be nice if they didn't steal our ENTIRE wiki...

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« Reply #1 on: Sat, 09 October 2010, 14:33:56 »
Do they at least give credit where credit is due?  Is there a shout-out to us, the smartest people in the world?  Also the most hygienic?
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« Reply #2 on: Sat, 09 October 2010, 14:36:24 »
Why wiki then? Write a book, go for the big bucks! I can see it now.
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And today we'll have a special guest; Ripster, writer of the best-selling book, "Keyboards for Retards".

Aaah - didn't OCN already have a lot of sticky/wiki stuff about keyboards already?  That's how I found GH, heehee.


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« Reply #4 on: Sat, 09 October 2010, 16:08:33 »
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I don't get many but they keep deleting my posts.
lol, I can't imagine why.

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« Reply #5 on: Sat, 09 October 2010, 16:23:40 »
How many "Is my G19 a mechanical keyboard" threads do you think there will be?

Should prove interesting, to say the least. More people being interested means more people interested in making/retailing them, so it should be a net benefit to us.

Offline muchadoaboutnothing

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« Reply #6 on: Sat, 09 October 2010, 16:26:38 »
Mechanical keyboard board is already open for business apparently.

Offline Konrad

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« Reply #7 on: Sat, 09 October 2010, 16:29:29 »
You could always poison the well.  Or employ devious tricks like Steinlaus encoding.  If they shamelessly copy the wiki then revenge will be sweet mwoohahahaaa!

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« Reply #8 on: Sat, 09 October 2010, 16:35:51 »
Do you spam GH shout-outs at OCN just as much?
 
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lol, Runeazn, dumbass.  My G19 has 17KRO.
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« Reply #9 on: Sat, 09 October 2010, 16:42:18 »
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Do you spam GH shout-outs at OCN just as much?
Omg, you do :mod:

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« Reply #10 on: Sat, 09 October 2010, 16:55:10 »
Seriously though - most of the people GH would lose forever to OCN would be the undesirable (ie, stupid) sorts we wouldn't really wanna keep around too much anyhow.  We only need to keep a few around to feed the trolls.
 
How much d'ya think we could get from OCN if we traded them welly?

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« Reply #11 on: Sat, 09 October 2010, 17:08:07 »
There ya go!  Just write your GH wiki in such a way that every sentence somehow violates OCN's restrictive terms.  And stick a copyright (or copyleft) notice somewhere on every entry.

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« Reply #12 on: Sat, 09 October 2010, 17:39:22 »
You make a whole thread just to troll OCN.  Rip you are a  cacophonist.
This thread is 3 hrs old and you have been posting on OCN for weeks.  OCN has faults, but we never steal your users.  Once someone gets more than a casual interest in boards they are usually recommended to come here.  But if your going to spend so much time there that might not be necessary :)

So now they are adding tools to help sort out your problems with the big thread and organize it.  I fail to see how this is a problem.
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« Reply #13 on: Sat, 09 October 2010, 18:49:40 »
They're really starting to like me over at OCN.
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« Reply #14 on: Sat, 09 October 2010, 19:36:28 »
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I loved how OCN dissed a senior researcher at Microsoft and still didn't believe him about PS/2 versus USB latency being a non-issue
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OCN needs to be more open to discussion.
Well ... I do agree with you. For different reasons than you have, I think.
 
On the face of it, by announcing that he's affiliated with (employed by) Microsoft this engineer essentially becomes an ambassador and spokesman who represents Microsoft. Reading the OCN threads, I happen to believe this guy was legit ... but ... again ... hard to overlook that he represents Microsoft.
 
Microsoft - like any other big evil megacorp - would not necessarily be above dirty tactics like deploying their "engineers" onto the internet to feel out a little clandestine low-cost market research or advertising or initiate (or halt) a publicity stunt. Again, I happen to believe this particular instance wasn't corporate trolling ... but only a fool would believe the devil is being honest (even when he is being honest).
 
So having said all that - OCNs criticisms don't seem particularly outrageous. As always it just takes one popular smartass to speak aloud something decisive and break the ice and set the context ... and all the rest of the little sheep in the crowd will automatically bleat to the beat behind him. OCN is no better or worse than any other crowd in this regard, nor is GH; it's just that the obvious trends are accelerated at OCN because of their higher volume of active members.
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« Reply #15 on: Sat, 09 October 2010, 19:55:50 »
I followed your links, that's really all the info I have on it.

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« Reply #16 on: Sat, 09 October 2010, 20:08:11 »
At least I can talk about rubber dome boards here.

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« Reply #17 on: Sat, 09 October 2010, 20:38:22 »
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Actually I was mainly posting on two technical topics there.  USB versus PS/2 and NKRO.

It just took a while to turn that battleship around.

I loved how OCN dissed a senior researcher at Microsoft and still didn't believe him about PS/2 versus USB latency being a non-issue.




OCN needs to be more open to discussion.


Did you quote the right quote there.  What does that have to do with ps/2 vs USB?  That was a ghost vs Nkey post?

Offline Konrad

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« Reply #18 on: Sat, 09 October 2010, 22:29:03 »
I still maintain that actually spending an extra buck per keyboard to get a more manly MCU with many more I/O lines will solve most of the problems they waste their engineering time working on. I guess Microsoft figures that the corners they learn to cut today will multiply profits over all the millions of keyboards they'll make in subsequent models and future decades.

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« Reply #19 on: Sat, 09 October 2010, 22:38:08 »
You can add all the circuitry you like into the key matrix.  Trying to plug 100+ discrete keyswitches into 28 I/O lines will require a lot more compromises than if you used 40 I/O lines.  You've said it yourself - 2KRO is basically good enough for most consumers, so they're not really driven to do much better.  Even $200 "antighosting" gaming keyboards are laughably limited in this regard.

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« Reply #20 on: Sun, 10 October 2010, 18:09:05 »
Quote from: ripster;231812
Lol - Manyak had permission to use my pics for the "All About Keys" section.    However I was a bit surprised how surprisingly similar the text was as well.  Never really brought it up since OCN gets so much traffic it would bring a lot of people into the mechanical keyboard fold.   That Guide is gonna be at 1M hits soon.

When he was learning he hung around here a lot.  Terrible, terrible avatar though.

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You'd be surprised how much I still hang out here, just without posting. Same with my own damn guide :/.

I just got tired of the same old conversations:

JoeSchmo: "Hi all! Looking for a keyboard! I want something clicky but quiet, and backlit, and I don't want to spend more than $20!"
Me: "Try a Model M, they're cheap and you'll probably get over the noise, and learn to touch type you nub."
JoeSchmo: "Ok! Thanks!"
...one week later...
JoeSchmo: "Well the Deck I ordered just got here, and it feels like total ****!"
Me: "I thought you said you wanted clicky...."
JoeSchmo: "But that IBM you told me about turned out to be ancient junk!"

:frusty:
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« Reply #21 on: Sun, 10 October 2010, 18:26:39 »
I made an account there now too. This will further let me show of my stuff to boost my ego to feel less stupid for wasting my entire income on keyboards.

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« Reply #22 on: Sun, 10 October 2010, 18:31:23 »
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I made an account there now too. This will further let me show of my stuff to boost my ego to feel less stupid for wasting my entire income on keyboards.


Don't feel so bad, I'm about to spend about 10 times as much on a camera as I did on all my keyboards put together :p
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« Reply #23 on: Sun, 10 October 2010, 19:21:18 »
lol, obsessive love of keyboards ... teclaveophilia?  (not a real word, btw)
 
I waste my income on stupid microcontrollers and electronic bits.
 
How come we don't waste our money on normal vices like gambling, booze, and women?

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« Reply #24 on: Sun, 10 October 2010, 19:25:52 »
Intellect.


Manyak asked me a lot of questions many moons ago. Then all the answers popped up on OCN. A lot of the GOOD pictures are mine too.
Although I might have posted them myself. I can't remember.
What can you do.
Keyboards. Happy Hacking pro 2 x2. One white one black. IBM model M US layout. SGI silicone Graphics with rubber dampened ALPS. IBM model F. ALPS apple board, I forget what it is. And some more I forget what I have.

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« Reply #25 on: Sun, 10 October 2010, 20:16:27 »
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Intellect.


Manyak asked me a lot of questions many moons ago. Then all the answers popped up on OCN. A lot of the GOOD pictures are mine too.
Although I might have posted them myself. I can't remember.
What can you do.


Actually, you put them in the second post back when the guide was only 1 post long, and I had to delete them so I could get 10 posts right after each other :/
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« Reply #26 on: Sun, 10 October 2010, 20:48:43 »
Y'know, rip ... your sig lists about twenty different "fave" keyboards.  If you had to pick just one keyboard (while stranded on a desert island, etc etc) - which would it be?  You'll understand if I don't feel like reading all of your 20,000+ posts to find out what you've said about your preferences already, lol.
 
Seriously ... which keyboard?  Which switches?  Which tactile force?  etc

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« Reply #27 on: Mon, 11 October 2010, 00:11:25 »
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I'm surprised.  Your keyboard knowledge seems a bit rusty.  Ya know, that whole PS/2 thing.

Hey, it is faster. Ever try programming before RTCs and HPETs? Every ms counts!
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« Reply #28 on: Mon, 11 October 2010, 00:29:50 »
ever try writing a operating system in ASM? :)

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« Reply #29 on: Mon, 11 October 2010, 01:01:24 »
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ever try writing a operating system in ASM? :)

part of one :). But then I stopped working on it because I figured I'd use it for my senior project in college and I'd have all the time to finish it then.

I loved using assembly when programs were simpler - when writing a virus was as simple as hooking an interrupt by exploiting MS-DOS's TSR routines, and dial up BBS's and null modem gaming were all the rage.

But now my virus writing skills are obsolete :(
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« Reply #30 on: Mon, 11 October 2010, 01:07:31 »
oh? well part deserves something..


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« Reply #31 on: Mon, 11 October 2010, 04:31:14 »
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ever try writing a operating system in ASM? :)


As a matter of fact, I did, and succeeded.  But curious why you're asking about this?  Have you?  Thinking of starting an OS designer forum?

Ok, I probably don't belong in this thread.  I was a bit bored and decided to make my first venture into the off-topic section and this thread happened to catch my eye.  Sorry to have butted into your conversation.  Carry on.

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« Reply #32 on: Mon, 11 October 2010, 08:27:44 »
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part of one :). But then I stopped working on it because I figured I'd use it for my senior project in college and I'd have all the time to finish it then.

I loved using assembly when programs were simpler - when writing a virus was as simple as hooking an interrupt by exploiting MS-DOS's TSR routines, and dial up BBS's and null modem gaming were all the rage.

But now my virus writing skills are obsolete :(



You should check out corewars...

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« Reply #33 on: Mon, 11 October 2010, 10:05:29 »
Haha nice ripster - Black Sheep is a great flick!

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« Reply #34 on: Mon, 11 October 2010, 10:07:10 »
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You should check out corewars...

Hey, that actually looks like fun, I'm gonna try it out for sure :)
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« Reply #35 on: Mon, 11 October 2010, 18:10:27 »
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Ah, bar jokes.

Two Prolog programmers walk into a bar. The first one goes up to the bar and asks "Can I have a pint?". The barman says "Yes."

If you get that one, you probably need to get out more.


Quote from: lmnop;10972328
prolog only returns yes if the query is true.


Quote from: ch_123;10972341
I always felt that it kills the joke when you explain the punchline :P


the moderator gonx asked if I was interested in the mechanical keyboard guide. I passed because I learned programming before grammar :)

ripster has the intelligence and experience writing articles. it's OCN so he would have to drop the loose talk and humor but I think he would surprise everybody.

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« Reply #36 on: Tue, 12 October 2010, 04:04:46 »
this is a weenie!


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« Reply #37 on: Tue, 12 October 2010, 06:07:35 »
mhhhhhhhhhhhhhhm 69$ hot dog

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« Reply #38 on: Tue, 12 October 2010, 13:09:09 »
There's no chance of OCN beating us when it comes to having a keyboard forum. First off, we don't have a million mods who are a bunch of retarted ten-year-olds who block things like this. The completely over-the-top moderation and censorship there gives us a very strong advantage over OCN. We also have a community where most peoples' age is in the double-digits.

In addition, if there's a copyright on our Wiki articles, we can go yell at the folks at OCN if they copy them (Hey--they even ban talking about "hackintosh's" because of EULA violations so how will they feel about copyright infringement?).

Basically, there's nothing to worry about.
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« Reply #39 on: Tue, 12 October 2010, 13:14:05 »
lol, mw, that's one *****in' graphics card.  Or it would've been, 10 years ago.

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« Reply #40 on: Tue, 12 October 2010, 17:18:10 »
Quote from: ripster;232683
Thanks for the compliment but  I have a Geekhack Mechanical Keyboard Guide For Beginners I'm preparing for here.


I hope this comes to light. Honestly I think the guide has not only gotten way outdated but it be nice to have it much more informative and in depth a long with pictures. I agree too many "I don't read the guide and then asks questions just ask questions like WTF is a mech keyboard". Speaking on that, I think "mech" has gotten to be too much of an umbrella term.

Seems too many people revolve around "Why the **** is that keyboard cost so much what's so special about it". It's like the external is seen too much over the guts and brains of the device. Sorta like key caps I know some people would love to buy key caps out of plain view because it looks pretty or whatever without realizing that these custom key caps are so much better built. More pictures would be nice that's what I mean.

Hopefully, it turns out well.

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« Reply #41 on: Tue, 12 October 2010, 17:50:05 »
geekhack is a keyboard forum. people come here for a reason. you don't have to 'sell' mechanical keyboards to people. I don't think a beginners guide is necessary. overclock.net is another story. the goal there is to increase mechanical keyboard awareness which has been achieved.

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« Reply #42 on: Tue, 12 October 2010, 17:54:40 »
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There's no chance of OCN beating us when it comes to having a keyboard forum. First off, we don't have a million mods who are a bunch of retarted ten-year-olds who block things like this.


Definitely. The swearing filter, and the particularly strong enforcement of it doesn't make much sense to me. The odds are that if you're not mature enough to see the word "****" written down on an internet page without being traumatized by it, you probably don't have anything useful to say anyway.

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« Reply #43 on: Tue, 12 October 2010, 17:57:51 »
geekhack is the wild west


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« Reply #44 on: Tue, 12 October 2010, 17:58:59 »
We don't have raving lunatics who go on epic rants if you don't quote posts. I think I'd gladly have MW over that...

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« Reply #45 on: Tue, 12 October 2010, 18:09:21 »
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I respectfully disagree.

Wait until you see it before you decide it's not needed.

at overclock.net we try to convince someone the advantages of mechanical keyboards and why they should buy one. at geekhack it's "Filco Majestouch Linear Force or steelseries 7g"
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« Reply #46 on: Tue, 12 October 2010, 18:09:28 »
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Definitely. The swearing filter, and the particularly strong enforcement of it doesn't make much sense to me. The odds are that if you're not mature enough to see the word "****" written down on an internet page without being traumatized by it, you probably don't have anything useful to say anyway.


Neinnnn! Keine schlechten Wörter! ('No bad words' in German).

This German kid isn't very old but knows every swear word in the book:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HlRR7YQMtpU

He calls his mom a 'kleine fotze' which means 'little c***'
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« Reply #47 on: Tue, 12 October 2010, 18:15:05 »
Well, that's kinda obvious because the mouse and keyboard PS/2 ports are different (on older mobos, serious **** would go down if you mixed them up and plugged the wrong peripheral into the wrong port)

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« Reply #48 on: Tue, 12 October 2010, 18:17:08 »
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We also get Adult new members that come here.

It happens.


good point.

/me turns over a steelseries 7g and launches a barrage of keycaps by judo chopping the middle row.

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« Reply #49 on: Tue, 12 October 2010, 18:22:03 »
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I wonder what happens with these newer ones?  Autosense or BIOS?  And how would you get into the BIOS?

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These are questions I'd worry about more if I gave a rat's ass about PS/2.


Some of them use cables. I think the ASUS ones are set in BIOS. I think the frying of things was limited to older ones for reasons I'm never sure of.

Why IBM didn't design something like the ADB is far beyond me...

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« Reply #50 on: Tue, 12 October 2010, 19:39:39 »
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Neinnnn! Keine schlechten Wörter! ('No bad words' in German).

This German kid isn't very old but knows every swear word in the book:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HlRR7YQMtpU

He calls his mom a 'kleine fotze' which means 'little c***'


When my daughter was born, I made the decision that corporal punishment would not be part of my raising her. That said, I won't take that kind of abuse either. I was tempted to say that TV shows like this is staged, but it's kind of hard to get a kid to do this on demand.

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« Reply #51 on: Wed, 13 October 2010, 14:57:02 »
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When my daughter was born, I made the decision that corporal punishment would not be part of my raising her. That said, I won't take that kind of abuse either. I was tempted to say that TV shows like this is staged, but it's kind of hard to get a kid to do this on demand.


Raise the kid proper and the first is not necessary as the second is highly unlikely to occur at all.

Back to topic though: while I would not discourage you Ripster, from creating a more beginner-friendly type info wiki/guide, I do have this to add as a consideration:


When I have spoken (written) of how quickly I fell in here, I have always said  "almost" immediately.  I joined OCN maybe only a month before GH, which I found through a referral link (thanks BRODIE337!) in a reply to my thread re: wtb after the Mechanical Keyboard Guide there triggered a memory/epiphany (well, at least the first few of the bazillion pages that I read of that thread).  But Geekhack was definitely some "next-level" ****.  By the time I actually registered here, I did so using a model M;  I had already exiled the craptastic wireless M$ rubber dome and knew there  was no going back.  
 
But my first visit here was only a brief drive-by via the link provided by brodie337 before returning to the thread I started at OCN for a simpler solution.   I did get a little frightened/overwhelmed by the intense detail & the minutiae about the actuation force and graphs and keycaps, and though I poked around a little, I didn't register or even realize that I might; I was still trying to get my bearings on the present day offerings in terms of similar typing experience with what I knew from the past.  My first reaction to this site was that it was a bit too technical to be of real practical use to me (at the time.)   I did note that one of the best sources at OCN I had discovered (-Phaedrus- through his excellent and highly informative reviews/guides on power supplies) was also present here, which was a +1 rep for Geekhack right there,  I didn't have the experience to relate to most of the discussion here before actually getting my hands back on a Model M.  

*So thanks, Manyak*- it was your reply and sound info on the M, F, Unicomps audio/actuation correlation on that OCN wtb query that originally sorted me out... It was immediately useful and narrowed the focus of my search considerably, especially once discovering that the model F was not particularly available.  It wasn't until after typing on several Model  Ms that arrived in varied conditions that the curiosity and passion arose which  then drove  me to reconsult that thread specifically to find the link back here again.  The second time around I had a basis of comparison and a better grasp of what was being discussed enough to catch the flavor of the atmosphere as well and that's when I knew I was going to stay; the Geekhack beast had awakened.    
 
I daresay even should a mechanical keyboard sub-forum gain a following at OCN, it will not, I think, stand in competition with GH, but likely serve as a stepping stone to it.  I had just committed myself to a course of participating in such forums as a necessary exercise for myself and my writing (hence the need for a decent keyboard) when I registered there, and though I have managed to stack up a post count of about 80 since I joined, that is less than a fifth of the post count I've racked up here after signing up a month later.
 
In fact, I almost left OCN two weeks after signing up, and largely stayed for  the purpose of setting a better example and the opportunity to deliberately exercise personal growth in terms of patience.  One of the first things I noticed here, and that my partner also commented on when I talk about GH, was that people here actually pay attention and read the stuff that gets posted before replying.  They "listen" with the same level of detail that they discuss the minutiae of peripheral devices. On  OCN... not so much, even with specific criteria addressed in an OP.  It serves a purpose, to be sure, but maybe its purpose is best served as a pre-cursor to that "next-level ****".  Which then allows for a site like this to remain on that next level.

While every site wants to be attractive to its potential audience, there is also a tremendous value in catering to a target segment of that audience rather than simply going for mass appeal.  It isn't necessarily a bad or unwelcome thing if the sweet spot is a little bit narrow.  Sort of like the difference between a general practitioner and a neurosurgeon - you want each for different reasons.  There is something to be said for specialization, especially if you need some surgical work on or around the neocortex.
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« Reply #52 on: Wed, 13 October 2010, 14:57:34 »
Or to put it another way:

Geekhack, like any other real life geek, should not try to be something  to please anyone, but rather be true to itself.  Let it be who it is and  remain confident that it will be found by the folks who appreciate it  for that.  I have given the same advice to the geeky young men who are  trying to figure out why the girls go for the dumb jocks.  I myself was a  cheerleader who fell madly in love with a complete band geek, but only  after he stopped making a total ass of himself trying to impress me and  started being himself...his own utterly spastic, geeky, nerdy, clumsy  self.  We became friends first because our first date was such a  horrendous failure he gave up on trying to be something he thought would  be attractive to me and started to relax and we became friends.  Once he got comfortable with  himself, I got comfortable with him and realized I really wanted to get  to know this real him- like in the biblical sense.  And like in some  nerd fairy-tale movie-apparently he even received some kind of acclaim  at the boys school he attended for whatever studliness is  evidenced/measured by the dates the guys end up taking to their senior  prom.  As his date, I'm fairly certain I don't want to know the details  of that though, for fear of what that might indicate about what sort of  acclaim I might have received at that school from having taken an  exchange student from England to my own prom the previous year.

But in the end, he actually was the first to really break my heart  because  he could never really convince himself that I would be happy  with him  just being him. We met at the end of high-school (end of my  senior year, his junior year) and even through all the 13 years after  that when were dating and then not dating and then not-friends and then  friends again and then friends with benefits and then discussing why we  were not getting married and then not-friends again and now friends he's  still the only person I'd ever even remotely seriously considered  the   possibility of having a child with.  That's really saying something  because I never really had any particular desire to have kids at all -  even at 38 I don't hear that biological clock ticking.  Although it was  me who decided the "not friends" the second time - I had a realization  (which spurred the discussion preceding the decision) that I was not  taking other serious offers seriously because I was waiting for him to  pull his head out of his butt. We are all friends now, and that other  serious offer was, in fact, my current partner. We're going on 10 years now, though I do sometimes  wish he and I had a "geekier" level of communication.

So all that was probably a ridiculously nostalgic and round-about (and  made overlong because of the marvelous tactile typing experience  provided by my Cherry Blues) way of saying that Geekhack needn't be  worried or self-concious about it's geekiness - it can still get the  girl, just by being Geekhack.
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« Reply #53 on: Wed, 13 October 2010, 15:37:17 »
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Well, that was a BIT off-topic.

I just used alchohol.

Uh huh.

This is the off-topic forum.  I think I am pour a bottle of Valium in a bowl, pour some lactose-free milk over it (I don't want any gas), and have a late breakfast.  Thanks for brightening my day, Vox.  A real cheerleader for life you are.


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« Reply #54 on: Wed, 13 October 2010, 15:55:45 »
My GF ran track.  100 M and triple jump.

Cheerleader, huh?



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« Reply #55 on: Wed, 13 October 2010, 17:32:21 »
I was a fledgling reporter in my high school, but my large breasts and good looks made it so that I couldn't get anyone to take my writing seriously.  I knew that I would have to do something drastic to make it in the newspaper business, so I transferred schools and changed my appearance to look like a boy.  It would have gone perfectly if I didn't fall in love with a geeky classmate, but fall in love I did, and I had my heart broken in the process.    I also got beat up by Billy Zabka.
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« Reply #56 on: Wed, 13 October 2010, 17:38:25 »
It was I who shot JFK.

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« Reply #57 on: Wed, 13 October 2010, 18:07:49 »
And it was I who created the global plan to make everyone use PC 300 computers and their awesome striped cases & lavender badges.. sadly, there were a few kinks in the plan. Dell decided to sell cheap trash & apple decided to sell expensive trash in coloured plastic... therefore eliminating what [could] have been a greater market for the PC 300 computers.

Oh and I also created wine gums, the wheel, fencing, and MS-DOS.
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« Reply #58 on: Wed, 13 October 2010, 19:30:19 »
Looks good. Methinks it will save a lot of time answering many of the same questions over and over again.

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« Reply #59 on: Wed, 13 October 2010, 20:45:46 »
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We'll see.  I made sure it had pictures.  I like pictures.


Me too. True, keyboard noobs will always have questions I suppose.


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« Reply #60 on: Wed, 13 October 2010, 23:37:06 »
What keyboard should I get to mash with my forehead?  I want a back lit, water and food resistant, silent, baby avoiding board that auto-corrects spelling errors and can fold up into my pocket to take with me.

Oh.  And it should use one of these 3 fonts: zippy to the rescue.

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« Reply #61 on: Thu, 14 October 2010, 03:14:55 »
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This post is about cheerleaders.  You are going offtopic.
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That was painfully hillarious!!! They did that way, way, way too well! Priceless, bwaaahaaa!
XD

Nice wiki btw rippy, I think it would still be a bit daunting for a beginner methinks. Hmmm... maybe not though, especially if they are actually seeking out this kind of info.


To Vox-
That was really an epic post, but my favorite part was that you concluded with a "to put it another way" post that was equally epic! XD
I like how we are "next level ****" though, lets collectively pat ourselves on the back and send care packages to imav. BTW what's above "next level..." cuz that's what we should shoot for now =D
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« Reply #62 on: Thu, 14 October 2010, 13:37:56 »
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Well, that's kinda obvious because the mouse and keyboard PS/2 ports are different (on older mobos, serious **** would go down if you mixed them up and plugged the wrong peripheral into the wrong port)

From my own limited experience, the worst that would happen is that things just didn't work. Given that PS/2 mouse and keyboard ports only differ in which of two pins they use for data transfer (with the other one left unconnected), that's how it should be.

There is no reason why the same port couldn't accept both, in fact those in notebooks back in the day (that let you use KB and mouse at the same time with a Y adapter cable) and in a number of USB adapters (converters) do.

Now passive PS/2 <-> USB adapters, that's a different story.
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« Reply #63 on: Thu, 14 October 2010, 14:05:38 »
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From my own limited experience, the worst that would happen is that things just didn't work. Given that PS/2 mouse and keyboard ports only differ in which of two pins they use for data transfer (with the other one left unconnected), that's how it should be.


I had a Supermicro motherboard that wouldn't boot if the keyboard and mouse connectors were swapped. And they were both the same colour, and the only way to tell which was which was a label on the PC case, not the motherboard itself. Which didn't help much when I later put the board in a different case...

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« Reply #64 on: Thu, 14 October 2010, 19:03:58 »
Trekkie?  I had you pinned as Lewis from Revenge of the Nerds.

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« Reply #65 on: Thu, 14 October 2010, 19:30:16 »
Now I know nobody is going to point "off-topic" fingers around THIS forum, are they?  Technically, it was on the topic of geekhack vs OCN Mechanical keyboard subforum and my romance story was analogous to the tangent that was brought up about the audience that each appeals to...  :party:

Besides, what IS the topic on this thread anyway?  I had started the response to make a point about discipline and disrespectful children.  After that it just turned into an exercise in free association and getting hypnotized by the soft clicky clicky click of my keyboard.
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« Reply #66 on: Thu, 14 October 2010, 21:18:49 »
Suggestions for addition to the guide -

When I first started my quest, I was inundated with info about switches, like complicated and simplified ALPS and what have you, but no information on what I might actually be likely to find in the real world, as some are not produced anymore.  (My hunt for the white Alps was probably the most difficult of my search.)  Maybe some info on what is commonly available new (current production) vs what might have to be found in ancient office supply cabinets (extinct or only collector types)?
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« Reply #67 on: Fri, 15 October 2010, 02:12:43 »
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Any excuse for a Cheerleader Pic!
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The one on the right looks so lop-sided, I bet she could crack a coconut with those thighs!  They're as thick as her waist, thicker than her head!

I saw the mechanical keyboard subforum the other day, it was empty so I figured it was new and they were going to be transferring threads there.  Went there today for a laugh, and it was gone.  Le sigh.
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« Reply #68 on: Fri, 15 October 2010, 17:43:43 »
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If you haven't yet please take a look at it and tell me what you think.

I'm a little hesitant to start on ALPS in a beginners guide, especially since after the ABS M1 and Filco Zero (at least in the US) have both been discontinued so it's not a great "beginners" switch.

Well, yeah, That's kinda what I meant...  I didn't mean a guide into the details about them, but more the fact that they arent easy to come by.  Maybe just a list of what switches people may have seen/heard mentioned but are pretty much collector stock only? Or a what newbie's probably shouldn't be looking for as a starter but are often grouped into guides having to do with mechanical keyboards ...

 When I realized that I would be needing a mechanical keyboard, I started googling and inquiring and researching and ended up pointed at GH, and gathered from overviewing of everything what types of switches there were in existence, then tried to sort it all out... BUT much of the info if you get linked via search engine is not in context to realize that some of the items being discussed were last available to the public back in 1995 or so.  Even here on this site boards are reviewed which are pretty much collectible or rare items, but that might not be obvious to someone who is just trying to sort the wheat from the chaff.  When I began my white alps quest I didn't actually know I'd be looking for a switch that has been out of production for a decade- I just knew that they were mechanical and clicky - which is what I was seeking.
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« Reply #69 on: Sat, 16 October 2010, 01:10:08 »
Don't forget "POS" too - I STILL have to do a double take when I come across that one on this site...
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