Post by: Primatech on Mon, 24 February 2020, 16:09:56
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Primatech x Void - Lisa
Please fill the interest check form: https://forms.gle/HnpkbuZKWjZFtJhb7(https://i.imgur.com/JHWVEI7.jpg)
Renders by Pikku-allu, GMK Olivia by olivia
Primatech x Void - Lisa
Hello, geekhack! This is JayP from Primatech proudly presenting our first keyboard, Lisa.
Lisa is a 65% alice-like top mount board made out of bent steel. The board is designed in collaboration with Smol from Void Case.
Details:
- 2mm steel top and bottom
- 1.5mm steel plate powdercoated in black, Black FR4 plate as an option
- Powdercoated body, black or white
- Top mount
- 5 degree typing angle
- Custom PCB with USB-C by Ergorius
(https://i.imgur.com/UQOl4TD.png)
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Updates:
- interest check started [25/2/2020]
- interest check form added [29/2/2020]
- arrows separated, right side B added, new renders posted, banner added. [03/03/2020]
Discord:
https://discord.gg/da2K2DW
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Post by: eniigma on Mon, 24 February 2020, 16:20:52
Best of luck!
Post by: Primatech on Mon, 24 February 2020, 16:21:40
Looks interesting! I'd personally prefer separated arrow keys, i think it looks cleaner
Best of luck!
Much appreciated!
Post by: KingOfMemes on Mon, 24 February 2020, 16:22:44
Post by: Rozalin81 on Mon, 24 February 2020, 16:28:00
Post by: ycanales on Mon, 24 February 2020, 16:45:58
I’d just wish it had the extra B at the right cause with my first split I discovered I’m a right-B kind of typist.
Post by: Primatech on Mon, 24 February 2020, 16:48:58
Looks like this might be my first Alice-like! Very good looking.
I’d just wish it had the extra B at the right cause with my first split I discovered I’m a right-B kind of typist.
This is still a consideration! Will likely be polled in the near future. ;)
Post by: Nuclear Nachos on Mon, 24 February 2020, 16:49:57
Post by: Primatech on Mon, 24 February 2020, 16:55:46
any ballpark price estimates?
Estimated at sub $200 for the kit. More info soon.
Post by: i luv chuletas on Mon, 24 February 2020, 17:06:32
Personally wish the extra B on the right side. That function key spot is perfect, sad to not see it here.
Additionally, the this one might be hard but.. any way we can line up the middle bolts with the crevice splitting the board in the middle? that offset is killing me, even though I can see it's just keeping the symmetry with the bolts themselves.
Definitely will be keeping an eye out for this one!
(Any goals as far as timelines go for this board?)
Post by: Primatech on Mon, 24 February 2020, 17:11:05
Just when I thought I had missed my shot with every Alice-like in recent times, this comes along to brighten my day.
Personally wish the extra B on the right side. That function key spot is perfect, sad to not see it here.
Additionally, the this one might be hard but.. any way we can line up the middle bolts with the crevice splitting the board in the middle? that offset is killing me, even though I can see it's just keeping the symmetry with the bolts themselves.
Definitely will be keeping an eye out for this one!
(Any goals as far as timelines go for this board?)
Short term timeline for the board is to run an interest check form within the next few days, as suggestions for improvement come in. (right side B will be part of the poll for sure)
We aim to have the prototypes ordered within the next 2 weeks.
Post by: Zeelobby on Mon, 24 February 2020, 17:18:30
I'd love a unique mounting style tho. Really what's missing from the Alice line honestly.
Post by: steezkeez on Mon, 24 February 2020, 19:33:59
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Post by: zakatak on Mon, 24 February 2020, 20:51:42
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Post by: danieljgrouse on Tue, 25 February 2020, 13:33:08
Post by: noahf on Tue, 25 February 2020, 14:22:11
Post by: ACF101015 on Tue, 25 February 2020, 19:10:58
Post by: FinalEleven on Tue, 25 February 2020, 21:46:47
+1 for seperated arrows as well.
Post by: Tymm0 on Wed, 26 February 2020, 21:56:06
Post by: Puddsy on Wed, 26 February 2020, 22:31:41
Post by: Tree_ on Wed, 26 February 2020, 23:58:52
-1 for separated arrows.
More colour options?
Post by: TheCaptainTim on Thu, 27 February 2020, 00:44:28
Post by: dankpupdaddy on Thu, 27 February 2020, 01:10:09
I've learned away from 65% because if the cluster being moved to the right hand side which cuts into my mouse space. I've often wondered what this layout would like like with the arrows and three keys on the left hand side haha
Post by: nickaster1 on Thu, 27 February 2020, 08:42:09
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Post by: TheBlackHammer on Thu, 27 February 2020, 09:24:39
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Post by: tuxkey on Thu, 27 February 2020, 16:01:47
But the price would probably make this a good board to give a good try..
Personally this would be a toss up between this board and the one shown on KBDfans.. here is a pic .
only thing that isn't right about that is that the fn key needs to be swapped with the n key..
Also on that board i would add a key next to the Control key to close that gap a bit between the arrow cluster and the main part..
And i would put two larger keys in the middle to function as the space and all the rest of the keys on the side of that..
To sum up little changes i would love to see in a split 65%...
Good luck with it .. will be keeping a close watch..
Post by: treeleaf64 on Thu, 27 February 2020, 16:19:03
Post by: TheBlackHammer on Thu, 27 February 2020, 19:07:50
The top mount and 5 degree angle has got me interested in this board. Hopefully, it won't be too expensive. If it is, I won't buy it. ;)Hoping they can keep the sub 200 price point!
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Post by: ViciousVerbivore on Thu, 27 February 2020, 20:40:16
+1 for countersunk screws
+1 for extra B
Indifferent on the isolated arrow cluster
Also, please consider splitting the left side space bar to add a 1u key on the inside
Post by: Primatech on Sat, 29 February 2020, 02:10:09
Post by: crispgm on Sat, 29 February 2020, 05:43:51
Post by: mathewC on Sat, 29 February 2020, 05:53:13
Post by: Primatech on Sat, 29 February 2020, 08:00:24
Looks great. Happy to see arrow keys. Will this be another limited GB?
GB will be unlimited.
it looks like its gonna be very hollow and not very heavy, is that true?
It is 2mm steel and weighs approximately 1.8 kilograms unbuilt. So would say that it's untrue.
Post by: danieljgrouse on Sat, 29 February 2020, 12:49:38
Post by: vsrnth on Sat, 29 February 2020, 13:32:20
Speaking of it being hollow, any chance of offering case and/or plate foam to go with this?+1 on the plate foam.
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Post by: SmilingPudding on Sat, 29 February 2020, 14:25:14
Post by: KZzzz on Sun, 01 March 2020, 01:58:13
Post by: Primatech on Sun, 01 March 2020, 06:26:40
Speaking of it being hollow, any chance of offering case and/or plate foam to go with this?
Foam will be taken into consideration as an extra.
Post by: Primatech on Sun, 01 March 2020, 06:27:49
Stunning looking board! The rectangular shape of the board and the spacious top really drives it home! Though I think it would be better if you can somehow not have the screws on the top, so it would look a lot cleaner. Also, such an open, spacious looking keyboard would really be nice to have logos/design/external weights! Layout wise, I agree with the separated arrow keys. I am windows key user, but I think the WKL here makes more sense. BTW, will it support split backspace?
Split backspace is supported.
Post by: Domantas on Sun, 01 March 2020, 15:01:15
Post by: Poesjuh on Mon, 02 March 2020, 06:47:50
Having owned an SKB I'm also voting for foam to put in between the pcb and plate, and would like to see the option to have the FR4 plate as a primary plate or have the option to use it instead of the steel plate. One of the main reasons I sold my SKB was that even with foam almost everywhere, I simply couldn't make it feel nice with the steel plate.
Edit; some more explanation on that part.
Steel is, imo, very rigid and unforgiving. Both in feel and sound and imho only suitable for tactile switches. FR4 plate as an option is nice but increases the price. Having the option to choose FR4 for a premium without needing to buy the steel will still increase the price but won’t leave buyers with an extra plate they’ll never use.
Post by: vsrnth on Mon, 02 March 2020, 06:56:53
Filled the form.+1 on having the fr4 plate as a primary option.
Having owned an SKB I'm also voting for foam to put in between the pcb and plate, and would like to see the option to have the FR4 plate as a primary plate or have the option to use it instead of the steel plate. One of the main reasons I sold my SKB was that even with foam almost everywhere, I simply couldn't make it feel nice with the steel plate.
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Post by: Poesjuh on Mon, 02 March 2020, 07:29:20
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Post by: AspiringMechKeebFan on Mon, 02 March 2020, 11:44:43
Post by: Primatech on Tue, 03 March 2020, 11:46:58
Post by: stoffelduss on Tue, 03 March 2020, 12:00:10
Post by: rockydbull on Tue, 03 March 2020, 12:41:50
New update: arrows separated, right side B added, new renders posted, banner added.
Very awesome. I am looking forward to the 2 B design since I sometimes switch off which hand hits B
Post by: d00deitsnik on Tue, 03 March 2020, 13:46:06
Post by: SmilingPudding on Tue, 03 March 2020, 23:50:53
Post by: vsrnth on Wed, 04 March 2020, 00:05:44
Is there going to be an option to block the right-side B?+1 on a option to skip the right-side B.
I think there are enough interested people in both options.
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Post by: Poesjuh on Wed, 04 March 2020, 01:44:24
Is there going to be an option to block the right-side B?+1 on a option to skip the right-side B.
I think there are enough interested in both options.
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+1
Right side B also eliminates a lot of older keycap sets that do have split spacebar support but no second B.
I do like the separate arrow cluster, the second B not so much.
Post by: JDJ1999 on Wed, 04 March 2020, 14:18:49
Post by: Nuclear Nachos on Wed, 04 March 2020, 15:55:13
Post by: AspiringMechKeebFan on Wed, 04 March 2020, 23:06:07
Any ballpark estimate of pricing? Looks amazinghttps://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=104820.msg2869003.msg#2869003
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Post by: AspiringMechKeebFan on Wed, 04 March 2020, 23:09:45
Any Idea on group buy date ? Very interested !(https://i.imgur.com/LApNetc.jpg)
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Post by: vaf1en on Thu, 05 March 2020, 05:42:23
New update: arrows separated, right side B added, new renders posted, banner added.Separating the arrows has really done it for me – I am in.
Post by: Myk! on Thu, 05 March 2020, 06:24:03
New update: arrows separated, right side B added, new renders posted, banner added.
While some like these changes (including me), is there possibility BNM<>? Rshift can be moved to left to remove another "B" and put Fn key on right of Rshift?
At least the possible buyers against the double B will reconsider :D
Post by: Poesjuh on Thu, 05 March 2020, 06:36:38
That would completely mess up the placement of the bottom row. 10/10 you wouldn’t be able to type anymore :PNew update: arrows separated, right side B added, new renders posted, banner added.
While some like these changes (including me), is there possibility BNM<>? Rshift can be moved to left to remove another "B" and put Fn key on right of Rshift?
At least the possible buyers against the double B will reconsider :D
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Post by: Myk! on Thu, 05 March 2020, 07:11:53
Of course it is just an option. You can choose double B or single B with FnThat would completely mess up the placement of the bottom row. 10/10 you wouldn’t be able to type anymoreNew update: arrows separated, right side B added, new renders posted, banner added.
While some like these changes (including me), is there possibility BNM<>? Rshift can be moved to left to remove another "B" and put Fn key on right of Rshift?
At least the possible buyers against the double B will reconsider :D
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Post by: yui on Tue, 10 March 2020, 06:03:50
Post by: alphabirth on Wed, 11 March 2020, 19:20:39
Post by: AspiringMechKeebFan on Wed, 11 March 2020, 23:31:34
Just caught this, but I would be seriously tempted to get in as I've been keeping my eyes open for an Alice-like also. I'm disappointed about the separated arrow keys, as I prefer them joined, but it's not a deal-breaker. I'm neutral on the extra 'B'. If I could make a change, it would be to have a win-key option--at least on the left side, as I find that indispensable.Winkey isn't happening, sadly.
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Post by: Primatech on Thu, 12 March 2020, 06:27:54
you say it is going to have a custom pcb, will it be programmable, if so with which firmware? and also will it be a murica only GB or will there be a way to get them in europe (at a reasonable price i mean)?
PCB is QMK compatible. Primatech is from Finland and these will be sold globally.
Post by: alphabirth on Thu, 12 March 2020, 07:42:24
Winkey isn't happening, sadly.
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Post by: crispgm on Fri, 13 March 2020, 00:44:30
PCB is QMK compatible. Primatech is from Finland and these will be sold globally.
That's great. So it would be sold with proxies in different area?
And I love Finland!
Post by: yui on Fri, 13 March 2020, 02:29:27
PCB is QMK compatible. Primatech is from Finland and these will be sold globally.Nice, thanks for the answer
Post by: Poesjuh on Fri, 13 March 2020, 04:31:15
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Post by: vsrnth on Fri, 13 March 2020, 04:33:10
Any chance for 2 different tops? One with second B and one without second B? I personally really dislike right side B, has no function whatsoever for me.+1 on this
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Post by: Primatech on Fri, 13 March 2020, 05:20:47
PCB is QMK compatible. Primatech is from Finland and these will be sold globally.
That's great. So it would be sold with proxies in different area?
And I love Finland!
Currently, the plan is to deliver directly to the buyer.
Any chance for 2 different tops? One with second B and one without second B? I personally really dislike right side B, has no function whatsoever for me.
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While we would love to do this, the vast majority voted for another b-key. Having a second top option with a low MOQ would raise the price for everyone.
Post by: yui on Fri, 13 March 2020, 05:53:09
to leave the option for everyone it may be possible to do it like "cheap" computer cases do and only partially cut it? although it may look bad afterward and usually those cases uses very thing steel so i do not know of the feasibility of such an option here.Any chance for 2 different tops? One with second B and one without second B? I personally really dislike right side B, has no function whatsoever for me.
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While we would love to do this, the vast majority voted for another b-key. Having a second top option with a low MOQ would raise the price for everyone.
Edit: to add background: it would be my 1st alice-like board so i do not know if the double B will be something i will use or not yet, so i do not really care either way if that makes sence
Post by: gorbachev on Sat, 14 March 2020, 17:53:43
Edit: to add background: it would be my 1st alice-like board so i do not know if the double B will be something i will use or not yet, so i do not really care either way if that makes sence
You don't have to have two b keys on those two slots. Change your keymap to have something else on either the left or right one.
I have the function key on the right side b key on all of my Alice keyboards, for example.
Post by: justabot2995 on Mon, 16 March 2020, 16:26:54
I love the arrow keys in the new renders (slightly separated), but I managed to say the opposite on the google form - went full dumb on that, sorry.
Wish tons of luck on the GB, count me in.
Post by: Jaltr on Wed, 18 March 2020, 20:55:53
A lot of interest if it manages to be under $200!Prices will range from 130-180! Check the discord
I love the arrow keys in the new renders (slightly separated), but I managed to say the opposite on the google form - went full dumb on that, sorry.
Wish tons of luck on the GB, count me in.
Post by: Nuclear Nachos on Thu, 19 March 2020, 20:56:14
I assume the pcb isn't included in the kit, if it isn't, whats the price or a rough idea?A lot of interest if it manages to be under $200!Prices will range from 130-180! Check the discord
I love the arrow keys in the new renders (slightly separated), but I managed to say the opposite on the google form - went full dumb on that, sorry.
Wish tons of luck on the GB, count me in.
Post by: Jaltr on Thu, 19 March 2020, 21:02:09
You should join the discord and ask smol about it. That is all the info we have till now.I assume the pcb isn't included in the kit, if it isn't, whats the price or a rough idea?A lot of interest if it manages to be under $200!Prices will range from 130-180! Check the discord
I love the arrow keys in the new renders (slightly separated), but I managed to say the opposite on the google form - went full dumb on that, sorry.
Wish tons of luck on the GB, count me in.
Post by: KingOfMemes on Fri, 20 March 2020, 14:29:30
A lot of us aren't on, and don't plan to get on discordYou should join the discord and ask smol about it. That is all the info we have till now.I assume the pcb isn't included in the kit, if it isn't, whats the price or a rough idea?A lot of interest if it manages to be under $200!Prices will range from 130-180! Check the discord
I love the arrow keys in the new renders (slightly separated), but I managed to say the opposite on the google form - went full dumb on that, sorry.
Wish tons of luck on the GB, count me in.
Post by: danieljgrouse on Fri, 20 March 2020, 14:34:06
Post by: Jaltr on Fri, 20 March 2020, 15:50:29
Fair enough. That's all the info we have atm anyways. Sucks that no updates are posted by OP ngl.A lot of us aren't on, and don't plan to get on discordYou should join the discord and ask smol about it. That is all the info we have till now.I assume the pcb isn't included in the kit, if it isn't, whats the price or a rough idea?A lot of interest if it manages to be under $200!Prices will range from 130-180! Check the discord
I love the arrow keys in the new renders (slightly separated), but I managed to say the opposite on the google form - went full dumb on that, sorry.
Wish tons of luck on the GB, count me in.
Post by: Nuclear Nachos on Fri, 20 March 2020, 16:16:02
Post by: justabot2995 on Sat, 21 March 2020, 16:28:45
Good luck for us!
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Post by: econeuler on Sun, 03 May 2020, 16:13:25
I particularly like that the Esc key is "close" to the rest of the keys, so it is easy to access in normal typing, so you don't have to reach for it.
Also, nice with the space added for the arrow keys!
I've read that the steel can be hard/noisy, is foam necessary for a good typing sound?
Edit: Happy to see that it's a product of a neighboring country!
Post by: Jaltr on Sun, 03 May 2020, 17:25:34
Very nice, looks clean! I would definitely like to join for this!If there is room for foam, then yes.
I particularly like that the Esc key is "close" to the rest of the keys, so it is easy to access in normal typing, so you don't have to reach for it.
Also, nice with the space added for the arrow keys!
I've read that the steel can be hard/noisy, is foam necessary for a good typing sound?
Edit: Happy to see that it's a product of a neighboring country!
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Post by: bakuretsu on Mon, 11 May 2020, 14:11:20
I love the idea of having the arrows keys on the Alice and I am all in, but I am wondering since the bottom is a straight cut, there is a lot of spacing between the bottom row and the edge of the keyboard. I am afraid that it might affect the ergonomic factor and the feel of typing.
Do you think a wrist rest would pretty much solve this?
Post by: reaLFX on Fri, 22 May 2020, 23:47:53
Post by: Insanto on Sat, 23 May 2020, 06:18:19
You have no link to a website and you logo also doesn't match the austrian primatech company.
Things like this can really quickly ruin people's trust in ICs and GBs in general and by extension the geekhack forums.
Post by: Insanto on Sat, 23 May 2020, 06:28:14
Post by: alphabirth on Sat, 23 May 2020, 12:34:38
Primatech is a registered security company, I'd change that name before you get a cease and desist..
You have no link to a website and you logo also doesn't match the austrian primatech company.
Things like this can really quickly ruin people's trust in ICs and GBs in general and by extension the geekhack forums.
I am not a lawyer, but I think it's okay for name collisions to occur between products / companies / whatever as long as there is no possibility of confusion. Pretty sure that would be the case here. Also, people losing trust in GBs and GH because of it?? Don't you think that's going a little overboard?
Post by: 2003987 on Sat, 23 May 2020, 23:56:02
Primatech is a registered security company, I'd change that name before you get a cease and desist..
You have no link to a website and you logo also doesn't match the austrian primatech company.
Things like this can really quickly ruin people's trust in ICs and GBs in general and by extension the geekhack forums.
I am not a lawyer, but I think it's okay for name collisions to occur between products / companies / whatever as long as there is no possibility of confusion. Pretty sure that would be the case here. Also, people losing trust in GBs and GH because of it?? Don't you think that's going a little overboard?
Exactly what I thought, and what’s wrong with having no websites, if you are looking for that kind of stuff, go buy razer/Corsair. Why bother browsing GH looking at all these community projects lol.
Post by: 2003987 on Sat, 23 May 2020, 23:58:13
Post by: LINdp on Mon, 25 May 2020, 00:23:00
I am super hyped for this GB! Will be my first custom so hopefully it starts soon :-*
Post by: Tree_ on Mon, 25 May 2020, 01:02:56
Primatech is a registered security company, I'd change that name before you get a cease and desist..
You have no link to a website and you logo also doesn't match the austrian primatech company.
Things like this can really quickly ruin people's trust in ICs and GBs in general and by extension the geekhack forums.
"TGR" has 131 trademarks globally. "LZ" has 349. "TX" has 1,878.
I don't think this is really something that comes to mind when people are buying boards.
Post by: sharkybassy on Mon, 25 May 2020, 12:16:34
I don't think you have to worry too much about trademark infringement by making this keyboard and selling under the namePrimatech is a registered security company, I'd change that name before you get a cease and desist..
You have no link to a website and you logo also doesn't match the austrian primatech company.
Things like this can really quickly ruin people's trust in ICs and GBs in general and by extension the geekhack forums.
"TGR" has 131 trademarks globally. "LZ" has 349. "TX" has 1,878.
I don't think this is really something that comes to mind when people are buying boards.
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Post by: TheBlackHammer on Sat, 07 November 2020, 16:04:06
sooo clean! love the separated arrow keys. been looking for an alice (or alice-like in this case) keyboard and this might just be itHey man sorry but this project died as the op has some stuff he needed to deal with and no one picked it back up
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Post by: Justinius on Thu, 12 November 2020, 15:33:06
Post by: AspiringMechKeebFan on Thu, 12 November 2020, 15:35:39
Is it going to be pure white or an off white color?Its dead, my dude. OP has been gone for months now without any notice on project future. The person working on PCB wasn't in the loop of OP leaving and so they also stopped working on it.
Post by: Galk on Thu, 19 November 2020, 09:00:28
Thought it looked sick :(
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