As long as it supports qmk, I'm in
+1As long as it supports qmk, I'm in
Yes
Digging it! I might like this more than the TMO 50
Great job man, renders are damn fine. Rooting for this! :thumb:Digging it! I might like this more than the TMO 50
Banned from R2 when that happens. :p You're now a "badbadchad" in my book.
I like it. I thought the minivan might be my only 40%, but this could change my mind.
What happened to the question mark though?
The "Layout options" layout is very different, at least in terms of keys, than the keyboards you show. For example, the key to the right of L changes.
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Well really, it will be QMK, every key can be whatever you want it to be when you program it. It seems many people like colons where they belong. i, on the other hand, like quotations there because it's used more frequently.
One more column wouldn't really hurt that much, and it saves tons of hassle with designing layers. Other than that not a fan of premium addons for premium's sake and overkill pricing, so KISS and I'm in ;-)
Any chance of doing a wireless Bluetooth version? I'd love this for my HTPC!
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One more column wouldn't really hurt that much, and it saves tons of hassle with designing layers. Other than that not a fan of premium addons for premium's sake and overkill pricing, so KISS and I'm in ;-)
In my opinion I think that two columns to the right is branching too close to the mini 1800 that you should see and IC for here from a friend of the 40s discord. I think with layering 1 row is the correct choice for both aesthetic and practical purposes.
One more column wouldn't really hurt that much, and it saves tons of hassle with designing layers. Other than that not a fan of premium addons for premium's sake and overkill pricing, so KISS and I'm in ;-)
In my opinion I think that two columns to the right is branching too close to the mini 1800 that you should see and IC for here from a friend of the 40s discord. I think with layering 1 row is the correct choice for both aesthetic and practical purposes.
Oh, you misunderstood. I didn't mean making the 3-key block on the right 6-key, I meant adding one column to the alpha block. That way, you don't have to omit anything while mapping basic characters...
Love the idea of the ortholinear layout! If you add that as an option I'll def. be in :thumb:+1 make the ortho PCB happen!
Colour me interested in this!
Love the layout, status LED's would be cool, but I don't mind if they are not present.
Is there any chance that you add ALPS support?
Hotswap?Show Image(https://i.imgur.com/8GYU9kU.gif)
Colour me interested in this!
Love the layout, status LED's would be cool, but I don't mind if they are not present.
Is there any chance that you add ALPS support?
I’m a staggered heathen who loves to solder. Also couldn’t care less about alps and hotswap.
Colour me interested in this!
Love the layout, status LED's would be cool, but I don't mind if they are not present.
Is there any chance that you add ALPS support?Hotswap?Show Image(https://i.imgur.com/8GYU9kU.gif)Colour me interested in this!
Love the layout, status LED's would be cool, but I don't mind if they are not present.
Is there any chance that you add ALPS support?
Led indicators will be happening.
In order of priority of features: Ortho > Hotswap > Alps.
For Ortho, it might be possible to fit both stagger and Ortho on to the same PCB though I feel using hybrid footprints on the PCB would result in overlapping footprints making it not possible and would also mean no hotswap.
Splitting the PCBs would mean I could do hotswap for both configurations.
Splitting the PCBs and having Alps support means no hotswap and now we have 2 PCBs and 3 plates.
Theoretically I could make a THIRD PCB that is MX and Alps and a FOURTH PCB for Alps ortho..? Along with a third plate.
I'm not so sure I'm ready for that as my first GB and I also haven't tested for demand of it. You are the first to mention. So likely, no Alps.
Don't you love 40-50% boards? There's something about them. They can be practical but I don't need that justification behind everything I buy. I like them because they're small--cute. They feel nice in the handle too, when you're shuffinling your tiny board around all the newfound deskroom from downsizing.
They make good shelf object too. Got a small shelf? Man, are these things perfect for it when they're not in use and still enough room for that 7th Pop! figure.
Here, today, I am interest checking for one of those. It goes by the name of 45-ATS.
Let's get into that name.
Currently, I run a JD45. It's nice. Really nice:
Clacky ✓
Smol ✓
Shiny ✓
Cute ✓
Compatible with most 40s kits ✓
Has the one key between L and Enter to put quotes on ✓
question mark is in the right spot (put it on tap for right shift)✓
On the other hand here's what's missing:
Arrow keys ×
Dynamic style×
Top Mount ×
The minivan is one of the few keyboards that went as far as to fit arrow keys onto such a small layout but at a cost. With the arrow key layout the question mark must be moved over or to another layout. This makes it hard to transfer that muscle memory over to something like a work keyboard, or a laptop keyboard. The nice thing about 45s is that most all punctuation can be on the top layer.
As for "dynamic style," think HHKB, think Compact 1800. Technically, the full 60% board and 96key style boards, respectively, are more practical than their counterpart. The full 60 fills in space with more keys, and the 96 key does the same thing while occupying less space. So then why resort to the alternatives? Plain and simple: they look better. The silhouette of a HHKB and 1800 layout are very attractive (to me) as opposed to the alternative. Like the layout or not, the HHKB is very attractive so the reason for adding the arrows and "macro keys" to this board is not only for the sake of functionality. It's also in the name of fashion.
And lastly, of course, we all love top mount. I feel I don't really need to explain that point.
So wrapping together some of my favorite features of my boards, I bring you the 45-"And Then Some"
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Currently Supported Layouts:
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Where it's at in the design process?
As of 4/25 I am done with the semester and will have more time to work on this. I have started the PCB design which, once completed, will finalize the case design.
What's been decided?
- There will likely be no full brass/poly version of this board unless it somehow becomes super popular.
- There will be no RGB on this board. We're keeping it clean.
- I know I want a brass plate option, multiple finishes.
- 6 Degree typing angle.
- Top Mount, 3-piece.
- QMK-- I can't imagine making a keyboard for this hobby and in this size that isn't QMK. Don't worry friends. :)
What's under consideration still?
- Split space sizing options--thinking something closer to the minivan.
The proportions of the 225-275 layout can be a little unsightly and smaller space bars will be nicer for some that like to run no stabilizers.- Brass weight--but I would prefer for this to be something that is more affordable.
- Matching 4x4 macropad to buy when this drops or save it for later. It will be called the ATSM. I will let you guess what that means.
- Hotswap PCB: with nothing but a few bottom row layout options this is under consideration for offering a hotswap PCB option.
- Additional plate material options.
- Jazzing up the bottom case a little more.
- Ortho PCB and Plate option: I was recently approached with the idea of offering an ortho option for the board as it would occupy the same footprint.
This would involve offering a whole other PCB or meshing it similarly to how the mechmini did as well as offering an additional plate.
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(Attachment Link)- LED indicator holes between the alphas and the 3-button cluster or just keeping it clean.
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Just an idea I mocked up quickly to show the concept
What colors did you have in mind?
The classic Silver-Black-Grey to keep it simple for anyone looking for neutral colors.
In addition to that I want at least one less common color (namely navy blue, but other options will be on vote).
Now this doesn't mean it will be limited to one extra color; being new to group buys I'm not sure of the ups and downs that come from requesting so many colors for a buy of such small quantity. I will do my best!
Google Form IC:
https://forms.gle/xnLMZ8Kjmp8M46Mz7
Thanks for reading this far. Huge thanks to The Lazy Designers, Funderburker, Oldcat, and Holtenc for guiding me and answering my pestering questions!
Also shout out to nat for letting me bother her with design options this whole time.
Led indicators will be happening.
In order of priority of features: Ortho > Hotswap > Alps.
For Ortho, it might be possible to fit both stagger and Ortho on to the same PCB though I feel using hybrid footprints on the PCB would result in overlapping footprints making it not possible and would also mean no hotswap.
Splitting the PCBs would mean I could do hotswap for both configurations.
Splitting the PCBs and having Alps support means no hotswap and now we have 2 PCBs and 3 plates.
Theoretically I could make a THIRD PCB that is MX and Alps and a FOURTH PCB for Alps ortho..? Along with a third plate.
I'm not so sure I'm ready for that as my first GB and I also haven't tested for demand of it. You are the first to mention. So likely, no Alps.
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A rotary knob sounds great. I think you can combine the footprint for a rotary knob with a regular switch, so you can choose if you want the knob or not.
A rotary knob sounds great. I think you can combine the footprint for a rotary knob with a regular switch, so you can choose if you want the knob or not.
A rotary knob sounds great. I think you can combine the footprint for a rotary knob with a regular switch, so you can choose if you want the knob or not.
Agree. If we have the choice I think that’s preferable. I would prefer without but would be neat to have the option.
Thanks for the update!
Only opinion I'll share here is... pass on the rotary knob. Please. :)
A rotary knob sounds great. I think you can combine the footprint for a rotary knob with a regular switch, so you can choose if you want the knob or not.A rotary knob sounds great. I think you can combine the footprint for a rotary knob with a regular switch, so you can choose if you want the knob or not.
Agree. If we have the choice I think that’s preferable. I would prefer without but would be neat to have the option.Thanks for the update!
Only opinion I'll share here is... pass on the rotary knob. Please. :)
Similarly to a planck, the footprints are able to overlap, making it optional. :)
Hey just take your time don't worry. It'll be good for everybody's wallet, you're not on the clock. As long as you're not completely giving up on the project it's fine.ne update avail?
Sorry for the silence. Come summer break from university, I thought I would have more time though I've found a lot of things to do (outside) this summer and have been neglecting this project a bit especially after picking up the rendering gig I have for the keycaps people of this community. To be honest I've just been stuck on the PCB and need to reach out to some other people about putting this together. I'll admit, this isn't a fast IC, I'm not like some people of this community that can proposed and wiz to GB in 2 months.. whattya gonna do? ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
Here are a few things I've decided:
There will be indicator LED's which will be 3mm soldered-in diodes. There will be holes, I don't care much for the microdot aesthetic.
I am looking to add a rotary encoder knob to the upper right of the board (top of the 3-stack of keys)
I am pretty much set on this being a solder-board. Elitism aside, I just prefer it.
REALISTICALLY, this is going to have to be a limited buy (thinking 50) though I'm considering offloading the QC to a vendor to increase the number.
Knocking off some mounting points and might round up the corners by a few more millimeters.
Sorry I'm so slow everyone :confused: appreciate all of the interest. I'll deliver. Just.. not right now.
No need to rush. Better to get it right where you want it and then release. I'm in whenever you release it. Great job. :thumb:
No need to rush. Better to get it right where you want it and then release. I'm in whenever you release it. Great job. :thumb:
We have gone over this. Ur hand no fit.
Ortho option is a great idea
Love having arrow keys on a 40-45% keyboard. Hope this makes GB.
Hello everyone, I have put in for prototype PCBs and 3D print cases. Looking to be about 2 weeks before all of that gets in. Then some adjustments can be made followed by a further prototype with aluminum.
Things that are in stone and changes I made:
Ortho option for this board is being dropped. Maybe next time.
Some plate mount positions have been moved.
Corners are a bit more rounded, and the front height will be shorter, around 17mm if all works out.
Rotary encoder footprint added to top part of right column. (Can be MX switch or encoder available on all pcbs)
For the layout, the 225-275 spacebars have been flipped to be 275-225 to center the space bars around GH
QMK
Things to note:
I will not have ballpark price and color options until aluminum protos are put in for.
As of right now, looking to be a buy of 50 slots with a variety of methods to procure spots. Similar to Bauer group buy.
There will be future rounds.
If you can manage it, try to find a way into the 40s discord. Updates and chat about this board all happen there.
can someone send a link to the 40s discord server?
Is it my discord or does the 40s server only have a verification channel
Is it my discord or does the 40s server only have a verification channel
Just follow the verification and it opens all the channels
I'm pretty sad the ortho option is going away, which was the main reason I was interested in this board.
Well, I guess I can always make my own handwired version out of lasercut acrylic.
Scrap what you got, add 5%, a column, and I'm in :))
Scrap what you got, add 5%, a column, and I'm in :))
No.
Scrap what you got, add 5%, a column, and I'm in :))
No.
Fair.
Do you have a projected date estimated for when the GB would open?
I'm absolutely in! There is adequate space to substitute Rshift for ?/, correct? Sidenote: what size is that shift? Like 1.10u? Looks far too small for a 1.25u.
Now that I have a great keyboard at home, I can’t use my MacBook Pro’s built in keyboard anymore. I’m ruined. I need something like the 45-ATS in my travel bag. Hope the prototypes look nice!
Any chance of opening up Google form responses for editing? I must’ve submitted a response a while back, but my preferences have changed.
Also, what are the board’s proposed dimensions, including angle?
Whats the forum you guys talking about?Now that I have a great keyboard at home, I can’t use my MacBook Pro’s built in keyboard anymore. I’m ruined. I need something like the 45-ATS in my travel bag. Hope the prototypes look nice!
Any chance of opening up Google form responses for editing? I must’ve submitted a response a while back, but my preferences have changed.
Also, what are the board’s proposed dimensions, including angle?
I hope so too, they should be in end of next week if everything in on schedule.
Dimensions for this is 90mm x 288mm.
I have opened the forum for editing.
The angle is 6 degrees found in the IC header.
Whats the forum you guys talking about?Now that I have a great keyboard at home, I can’t use my MacBook Pro’s built in keyboard anymore. I’m ruined. I need something like the 45-ATS in my travel bag. Hope the prototypes look nice!
Any chance of opening up Google form responses for editing? I must’ve submitted a response a while back, but my preferences have changed.
Also, what are the board’s proposed dimensions, including angle?
I hope so too, they should be in end of next week if everything in on schedule.
Dimensions for this is 90mm x 288mm.
I have opened the forum for editing.
The angle is 6 degrees found in the IC header.
VOTE AGAIN FOR COLORS HERE (BECAUSE I NEED EMAILS OOPS):
Interest Check Google Form (https://forms.gle/poyRmSyBNsgByoDFA)
Do you have any plan about how much this will cost? m65-b is too damn expensive. Btw I really like your design.Whats the forum you guys talking about?Now that I have a great keyboard at home, I can’t use my MacBook Pro’s built in keyboard anymore. I’m ruined. I need something like the 45-ATS in my travel bag. Hope the prototypes look nice!
Any chance of opening up Google form responses for editing? I must’ve submitted a response a while back, but my preferences have changed.
Also, what are the board’s proposed dimensions, including angle?
I hope so too, they should be in end of next week if everything in on schedule.
Dimensions for this is 90mm x 288mm.
I have opened the forum for editing.
The angle is 6 degrees found in the IC header.
It's in very large text in the original post.QuoteVOTE AGAIN FOR COLORS HERE (BECAUSE I NEED EMAILS OOPS):
Interest Check Google Form (https://forms.gle/poyRmSyBNsgByoDFA)
not trying to be rude or anything but this is likely to be around the same if not higher price point, since this is a limited run while Rama is mass produced.Do you have any plan about how much this will cost? m65-b is too damn expensive. Btw I really like your design.Whats the forum you guys talking about?Now that I have a great keyboard at home, I can’t use my MacBook Pro’s built in keyboard anymore. I’m ruined. I need something like the 45-ATS in my travel bag. Hope the prototypes look nice!
Any chance of opening up Google form responses for editing? I must’ve submitted a response a while back, but my preferences have changed.
Also, what are the board’s proposed dimensions, including angle?
I hope so too, they should be in end of next week if everything in on schedule.
Dimensions for this is 90mm x 288mm.
I have opened the forum for editing.
The angle is 6 degrees found in the IC header.
It's in very large text in the original post.QuoteVOTE AGAIN FOR COLORS HERE (BECAUSE I NEED EMAILS OOPS):
Interest Check Google Form (https://forms.gle/poyRmSyBNsgByoDFA)
this hobby really cost a lot of money :/not trying to be rude or anything but this is likely to be around the same if not higher price point, since this is a limited run while Rama is mass produced.Do you have any plan about how much this will cost? m65-b is too damn expensive. Btw I really like your design.Whats the forum you guys talking about?Now that I have a great keyboard at home, I can’t use my MacBook Pro’s built in keyboard anymore. I’m ruined. I need something like the 45-ATS in my travel bag. Hope the prototypes look nice!
Any chance of opening up Google form responses for editing? I must’ve submitted a response a while back, but my preferences have changed.
Also, what are the board’s proposed dimensions, including angle?
I hope so too, they should be in end of next week if everything in on schedule.
Dimensions for this is 90mm x 288mm.
I have opened the forum for editing.
The angle is 6 degrees found in the IC header.
It's in very large text in the original post.QuoteVOTE AGAIN FOR COLORS HERE (BECAUSE I NEED EMAILS OOPS):
Interest Check Google Form (https://forms.gle/poyRmSyBNsgByoDFA)
I'm afraid you might be in the wrong hobby if cost is a major concern, friend.Do you have any plan about how much this will cost? m65-b is too damn expensive. Btw I really like your design.Whats the forum you guys talking about?Now that I have a great keyboard at home, I can’t use my MacBook Pro’s built in keyboard anymore. I’m ruined. I need something like the 45-ATS in my travel bag. Hope the prototypes look nice!
Any chance of opening up Google form responses for editing? I must’ve submitted a response a while back, but my preferences have changed.
Also, what are the board’s proposed dimensions, including angle?
I hope so too, they should be in end of next week if everything in on schedule.
Dimensions for this is 90mm x 288mm.
I have opened the forum for editing.
The angle is 6 degrees found in the IC header.
It's in very large text in the original post.QuoteVOTE AGAIN FOR COLORS HERE (BECAUSE I NEED EMAILS OOPS):
Interest Check Google Form (https://forms.gle/poyRmSyBNsgByoDFA)
well, your right.I'm afraid you might be in the wrong hobby if cost is a major concern, friend.Do you have any plan about how much this will cost? m65-b is too damn expensive. Btw I really like your design.Whats the forum you guys talking about?Now that I have a great keyboard at home, I can’t use my MacBook Pro’s built in keyboard anymore. I’m ruined. I need something like the 45-ATS in my travel bag. Hope the prototypes look nice!
Any chance of opening up Google form responses for editing? I must’ve submitted a response a while back, but my preferences have changed.
Also, what are the board’s proposed dimensions, including angle?
I hope so too, they should be in end of next week if everything in on schedule.
Dimensions for this is 90mm x 288mm.
I have opened the forum for editing.
The angle is 6 degrees found in the IC header.
It's in very large text in the original post.QuoteVOTE AGAIN FOR COLORS HERE (BECAUSE I NEED EMAILS OOPS):
Interest Check Google Form (https://forms.gle/poyRmSyBNsgByoDFA)
not trying to be rude or anything but this is likely to be around the same if not higher price point, since this is a limited run while Rama is mass produced.
ayy, that's all rightQuotenot trying to be rude or anything but this is likely to be around the same if not higher price point, since this is a limited run while Rama is mass produced.
Unlikely. Rama's design is much more complex than this requiring many more variations in materials with money invested in many of parts of what make Rama.. Rama. For instance, take a look at the Neuron GB:
https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=102681.0
Before shipping was marked at $230.
I can't say anything right now as to the price of the 45-ATS but i can guarantee that it won't be $380 like the M65-B. We should know numbers about the 45-ATS after I find protos to be acceptable and can have a chat about numbers with the factory.