Windows 10 Update thoughts and questions...

[Leslieann]

My main windows 10 PC after it updated this weekend is almost unusable to browse the web.

It works in ~25-30 second intervals then freezes for 5-10 seconds then works....

I would never touch Win again (except for gaming) if it weren't for the fact I REALLY NEED MS Office for work (and SPSS only runs semi-decent on win, it drags on os x and linux). Oh and lightroom, illustrator, and photoshop. There are no really good substitutes for those in linux still. Such a shame. AND DON'T TELL ME INKSCAPE AND GIMP.

Wine has actually made some major leaps recently, so you may want to try.

Lightroom, Photoshop and Illustrator run just fine through Wine or (even easier) PlayOnLinux, I can vouch for the latter two (I'm with you regarding GIMP!).

Office, is kind of iffy, depending on version and exact program, but in general it seems to work just fine.

SPSS, some versions seem to run great, others, no so great, however there is an open source replacement called PSPP. Note, I don't know anything about either of these programs, it just came up when I checked for SPSS.

[iLLucionist]

My main windows 10 PC after it updated this weekend is almost unusable to browse the web.

It works in ~25-30 second intervals then freezes for 5-10 seconds then works....

I would never touch Win again (except for gaming) if it weren't for the fact I REALLY NEED MS Office for work (and SPSS only runs semi-decent on win, it drags on os x and linux). Oh and lightroom, illustrator, and photoshop. There are no really good substitutes for those in linux still. Such a shame. AND DON'T TELL ME INKSCAPE AND GIMP.

Wine has actually made some major leaps recently, so you may want to try.

Lightroom, Photoshop and Illustrator run just fine through Wine or (even easier) PlayOnLinux, I can vouch for the latter two (I'm with you regarding GIMP!).

Office, is kind of iffy, depending on version and exact program, but in general it seems to work just fine.

SPSS, some versions seem to run great, others, no so great, however there is an open source replacement called PSPP. Note, I don't know anything about either of these programs, it just came up when I checked for SPSS.

Thanks! Now this is all great on a workstation, so I should try it out on my ubuntu VM first.

However, how taxing is wine on battery life? Would running office / adobe over wine significantly reduce my battery life? Coz if not we have a winner here.

I'm wondering whether the next version of Office will check for telemetry code in the OS and if not found crashes or errors. So that wine has to implement or fake "telemetry".

[tp4tissue]

My main windows 10 PC after it updated this weekend is almost unusable to browse the web.

It works in ~25-30 second intervals then freezes for 5-10 seconds then works....

I would never touch Win again (except for gaming) if it weren't for the fact I REALLY NEED MS Office for work (and SPSS only runs semi-decent on win, it drags on os x and linux). Oh and lightroom, illustrator, and photoshop. There are no really good substitutes for those in linux still. Such a shame. AND DON'T TELL ME INKSCAPE AND GIMP.

Wine has actually made some major leaps recently, so you may want to try.

Lightroom, Photoshop and Illustrator run just fine through Wine or (even easier) PlayOnLinux, I can vouch for the latter two (I'm with you regarding GIMP!).

Office, is kind of iffy, depending on version and exact program, but in general it seems to work just fine.

SPSS, some versions seem to run great, others, no so great, however there is an open source replacement called PSPP. Note, I don't know anything about either of these programs, it just came up when I checked for SPSS.

Thanks! Now this is all great on a workstation, so I should try it out on my ubuntu VM first.

However, how taxing is wine on battery life? Would running office / adobe over wine significantly reduce my battery life? Coz if not we have a winner here.

I'm wondering whether the next version of Office will check for telemetry code in the OS and if not found crashes or errors. So that wine has to implement or fake "telemetry".

Spss ? what are you n00bs..   Stata is where it's @

[iLLucionist]

My main windows 10 PC after it updated this weekend is almost unusable to browse the web.

It works in ~25-30 second intervals then freezes for 5-10 seconds then works....

I would never touch Win again (except for gaming) if it weren't for the fact I REALLY NEED MS Office for work (and SPSS only runs semi-decent on win, it drags on os x and linux). Oh and lightroom, illustrator, and photoshop. There are no really good substitutes for those in linux still. Such a shame. AND DON'T TELL ME INKSCAPE AND GIMP.

Wine has actually made some major leaps recently, so you may want to try.

Lightroom, Photoshop and Illustrator run just fine through Wine or (even easier) PlayOnLinux, I can vouch for the latter two (I'm with you regarding GIMP!).

Office, is kind of iffy, depending on version and exact program, but in general it seems to work just fine.

SPSS, some versions seem to run great, others, no so great, however there is an open source replacement called PSPP. Note, I don't know anything about either of these programs, it just came up when I checked for SPSS.

Thanks! Now this is all great on a workstation, so I should try it out on my ubuntu VM first.

However, how taxing is wine on battery life? Would running office / adobe over wine significantly reduce my battery life? Coz if not we have a winner here.

I'm wondering whether the next version of Office will check for telemetry code in the OS and if not found crashes or errors. So that wine has to implement or fake "telemetry".

Spss ? what are you n00bs..   Stata is where it's @

Can't. Tried to switch to R as well, no issue for me, being a real programmer. But colleagues don't understand it. They can barely understand SPSS syntax, let alone a "real" programming environment like Stata or Mathematica.

I once had to run a ton of exploratory analyses on a dataset. I switched to python to automate it. Was less work in the end, just iterate over all possible combinations of IV, moderator/mediator, DV, etc. run regressions automatically. I just could not explain it to colleagues. Perhaps that's my fault, I don't know.

SPSS is the currency in my business, as is Word.

[Leslieann]

Thanks! Now this is all great on a workstation, so I should try it out on my ubuntu VM first.

However, how taxing is wine on battery life? Would running office / adobe over wine significantly reduce my battery life? Coz if not we have a winner here.

I'm wondering whether the next version of Office will check for telemetry code in the OS and if not found crashes or errors. So that wine has to implement or fake "telemetry".

You're welcome.

Office 16 and 365 pretty much rolls right into Win10 and telemetry which is why they push it so hard. In fact if you install Office 2013 one Win10, Windows ignores that you installed it and keeps trying to push newer versions on you. Instead of checking for telemetry, it's more likely they will "accidentally" break support for older versions prior to the latest. They promise support for Office for x number of years, they never promise forward compatibility beyond what was on the box.

The other thing they could do is death by 1000 cuts, start slowly breaking older versions a little at a time, pushing people to finally bite the bullet and update. Odds are that will happen anyway as many people using Office have this idea that they always have to be current.

I don't know about WINE in regards to battery, however, it shouldn't impact it as WINE isn't emulating Windows, it's running Windows as as native apps.
What you will want to do though is tune your power management. Windows throttles processors to 50% when on battery, whereas Linux doesn't by default (as far as I can tell). Installing Intel Pstate and TLP, then using TLP to throttle the processor to 50% while on battery will get your battery life back close to what it got while on Windows.

[digi]

My recommendation is to stay with Windows 7 64 Bit!

[iLLucionist]

Thanks! Now this is all great on a workstation, so I should try it out on my ubuntu VM first.

However, how taxing is wine on battery life? Would running office / adobe over wine significantly reduce my battery life? Coz if not we have a winner here.

I'm wondering whether the next version of Office will check for telemetry code in the OS and if not found crashes or errors. So that wine has to implement or fake "telemetry".

You're welcome.

Office 16 and 365 pretty much rolls right into Win10 and telemetry which is why they push it so hard. In fact if you install Office 2013 one Win10, Windows ignores that you installed it and keeps trying to push newer versions on you. Instead of checking for telemetry, it's more likely they will "accidentally" break support for older versions prior to the latest. They promise support for Office for x number of years, they never promise forward compatibility beyond what was on the box.

The other thing they could do is death by 1000 cuts, start slowly breaking older versions a little at a time, pushing people to finally bite the bullet and update. Odds are that will happen anyway as many people using Office have this idea that they always have to be current.

I don't know about WINE in regards to battery, however, it shouldn't impact it as WINE isn't emulating Windows, it's running Windows as as native apps.
What you will want to do though is tune your power management. Windows throttles processors to 50% when on battery, whereas Linux doesn't by default (as far as I can tell). Installing Intel Pstate and TLP, then using TLP to throttle the processor to 50% while on battery will get your battery life back close to what it got while on Windows.

Thanks, this is very useful info!

[iLLucionist]

My recommendation is to stay with Windows 7 64 Bit!

Yes and no -- the f**kers backported telemetry to win 7 via updates. There was a certain date (google it) up to where there was not telemetry but after that date the updates also included the backported telemetry.

[Leslieann]

My recommendation is to stay with Windows 7 64 Bit!

Yes and no -- the f**kers backported telemetry to win 7 via updates. There was a certain date (google it) up to where there was not telemetry but after that date the updates also included the backported telemetry.

July 2015 saw the first bits of telemetry in Win7 and 8 updates.
There are lists of what updates you can and can't install to avoid it, however MS is putting an end to that as well with the new update system.

There are updated copies you can download with those bits removed, however you need to put your faith in some random person online (some are trustworthy). Legally these fall into a gray area.

[digi]

My recommendation is to stay with Windows 7 64 Bit!

Yes and no -- the f**kers backported telemetry to win 7 via updates. There was a certain date (google it) up to where there was not telemetry but after that date the updates also included the backported telemetry.

July 2015 saw the first bits of telemetry in Win7 and 8 updates.
There are lists of what updates you can and can't install to avoid it, however MS is putting an end to that as well with the new update system.

There are updated copies you can download with those bits removed, however you need to put your faith in some random person online (some are trustworthy). Legally these fall into a gray area.

well damn...they're gonna see all my Amazon purchases now.

[SpAmRaY]

I'm still using office 2007.

[fanpeople]

I'm still using office 2007.

MY WORKPLACE IS USING THE 2003 version... OH WAIT WE JUST UPGRADED TO 2007

[tp4tissue]

Tp4 still uses 2003..

But I also haz 2007 because of docx.

[iLLucionist]

My recommendation is to stay with Windows 7 64 Bit!

Yes and no -- the f**kers backported telemetry to win 7 via updates. There was a certain date (google it) up to where there was not telemetry but after that date the updates also included the backported telemetry.

July 2015 saw the first bits of telemetry in Win7 and 8 updates.
There are lists of what updates you can and can't install to avoid it, however MS is putting an end to that as well with the new update system.

There are updated copies you can download with those bits removed, however you need to put your faith in some random person online (some are trustworthy). Legally these fall into a gray area.

well damn...they're gonna see all my Amazon purchases now.

I take it you probably don't just by books there hehehe

[iLLucionist]

We have 2010? Or is that 2007? The one before 2016 at least at the office.

And it sucks. Font rendering is SO HEAVY. Painful on the eyes. Especially Times New Roman.

[Leslieann]

We have 2010? Or is that 2007? The one before 2016 at least at the office.

And it sucks. Font rendering is SO HEAVY. Painful on the eyes. Especially Times New Roman.

2013 was just before 2016.

3 year cycle.
2003 I think was the best variant, after that they messed the menus up and hid a lot of what I use.

[iLLucionist]

We have 2010? Or is that 2007? The one before 2016 at least at the office.

And it sucks. Font rendering is SO HEAVY. Painful on the eyes. Especially Times New Roman.

2013 was just before 2016.

3 year cycle.
2003 I think was the best variant, after that they messed the menus up and hid a lot of what I use.

I don't see much improvement after 2001 Platinum.

1997 was a bit too crashy with tables and layout constantly messed up with pictures (and I know how to format properly).

2001 was the sweet spot. The rest after was really just marketing.

[digi]

My recommendation is to stay with Windows 7 64 Bit!

Yes and no -- the f**kers backported telemetry to win 7 via updates. There was a certain date (google it) up to where there was not telemetry but after that date the updates also included the backported telemetry.

July 2015 saw the first bits of telemetry in Win7 and 8 updates.
There are lists of what updates you can and can't install to avoid it, however MS is putting an end to that as well with the new update system.

There are updated copies you can download with those bits removed, however you need to put your faith in some random person online (some are trustworthy). Legally these fall into a gray area.

well damn...they're gonna see all my Amazon purchases now.

I take it you probably don't just by books there hehehe

Noooo, I buy woks and wok burners too, vegetables so fresh with Amazon Fresh, I don't have to go anywhere!!! yess

[tp4tissue]

Noooo, I buy woks and wok burners too, vegetables so fresh with Amazon Fresh, I don't have to go anywhere!!! yess

Careful digi,  they can see ur amazon Alt-account too...... hahahahahahhaa. the one u use for all the naughty stuff..