Classifieds and the 60 post rule....

[bueller]

I know I'm not alone when I say that I think the 60 post rule is completely pointless. See it time and time again with new users who sign up and then start smashing out posts in every thread trying to hit the post mark, as soon as they hit the target they sell their stuff and we never see them again. Another problem is fighting shill bidders, with no end to the auctions in sight there's nothing to prevent sellers from registering a ton of different accounts.

I'm a frequent visitor to the Overclockers Australia forums and they do things a little differently. Until you've been a member for 3 months you can't even see the classifieds. This means less scammers, less shill bidding and generally a better experience all round. Mods, what do you think?

I know this will probably irk some people as a lot of people only come here for the classifieds but what are we aiming to be? IMO the classifieds should be a reward for participation in the community, not something that is deserved for spending 2 minutes for filling out an online registration.

[TheFlyingRaccoon]

I agree with the 3 month rule. I'd much rather have new members lurk for 3 months rather then spamming the forum to get 60 posts.

[Dubsgalore]

Bueller, how about 2 or 1 months? I remember 3 months in, I was pretty well off and involved with the classifieds..Idk where i would be if i was only allowed 3 months in.
I think 2 months is a better amount of time

There has to be something that could be done. It is really obvious when someone posts 60 posts in two days and then immediately puts up a thread then leaves as soon as they sell/buy or whatever.

I say make the entire classifieds a hidden forum that only members who have reached whatever milestones that are set can see.

I wanted to address you spam in that old thread, but rowdy suggested that it would be taken here so I didn't want to drag it on

The problem with a hidden forum is that some users who are sub-60 and brand new wouldn't be able to see items for sale, and thus wouldn't be able to buy those items via PM

And sure it is obvious, but it still happens and not much really happens...

I mean this just happened today


 credit to Photekq for screencap

[keymaster]

If shill bidding is the biggest worry, then the easiest solution would be to ban auctions on the forum. With the ban in place, new members are free to buy and sell regardless of post count and/or join date. However, I think it would be foolish to have no sale requirements at all. I think a combination of post count and how long the person has been a member should determine when he/she gains permission to sell.

I think this sounds like a reasonable requirement:

• member for 2 weeks
• 30 post minimum

[bueller]

The problem with a hidden forum is that some users who are sub-60 and brand new wouldn't be able to see items for sale, and thus wouldn't be able to buy those items via PM

I'm not so sure this is a bad thing. I'd rather sell the an established member of the community than someone who could run a paypal scam on me with nothing to lose. I'm not firm on the 3 months limit but I do think making it time based is a good idea.

[Dubsgalore]

The problem with a hidden forum is that some users who are sub-60 and brand new wouldn't be able to see items for sale, and thus wouldn't be able to buy those items via PM

I'm not so sure this is a bad thing. I'd rather sell the an established member of the community than someone who could run a paypal scam on me with nothing to lose. I'm not firm on the 3 months limit but I do think making it time based is a good idea.

As would i sell to an established member, but there are still credible, real people out there...I remember I bought my poker from JD the second I hit 60 posts..

from a seller's standpoint, making it hidden could potentially take away a lot of legitimate buyers, but at the same time make it a more safer, trusted market.

[Megaweapon]

Maybe a second classifieds forum that is more restrictive?

"Double-secret Classifieds"

[rowdy]

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Maybe a second classifieds forum that is more restrictive?

"Double-secret Classifieds"

You mean like for Clarks?

[SpAmRaY]

I agree change is necessary but I doubt anything will be done.

 The classifieds is probably the biggest reason people come to geekhack.

And shill bids won't matter as soon as auctions are banned.

[rowdy]

I agree change is necessary but I doubt anything will be done.

 The classifieds is probably the biggest reason people come to geekhack.

And shill bids won't matter as soon as auctions are banned.

Was that decided?

Or how about a second Classifieds for people who have been here at least 3 months and have at least 100 posts, and that second Classifieds is where auctions and Clarks take place.

The general Classifieds that everyone (with 60 posts?) can see is just for keyboard and keycap set sales.

[catnipz0098]

Bueller, how about 2 or 1 months? I remember 3 months in, I was pretty well off and involved with the classifieds..Idk where i would be if i was only allowed 3 months in.
I think 2 months is a better amount of time

There has to be something that could be done. It is really obvious when someone posts 60 posts in two days and then immediately puts up a thread then leaves as soon as they sell/buy or whatever.

I say make the entire classifieds a hidden forum that only members who have reached whatever milestones that are set can see.

I wanted to address you spam in that old thread, but rowdy suggested that it would be taken here so I didn't want to drag it on

The problem with a hidden forum is that some users who are sub-60 and brand new wouldn't be able to see items for sale, and thus wouldn't be able to buy those items via PM

And sure it is obvious, but it still happens and not much really happens...

I mean this just happened today

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 credit to Photekq for screencap

First, what's wrong with loving Geekhack? I love it and thus I post.
Second, I have over twice the amount of posts needed to post in classifieds. I'm not "spamming" to get to 60.
Third, I haven't made a classifieds thread yet. I don't have anything to sell or buy. I am here to enjoy the keyboards and community.
Fourth, I would like to bring into attention dustinhxc. I remember seeing him getting 30ish posts on his first day. He now has 440 after 20 days, a 22 per day post count. Somebody even called him out on that, and no one batted an eye.
Fifth, look at John's thread: http://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=50991.0 . Its filled with people under 60 posts, yet they are actively buying items.

[kmiller8]

stahp with the personal attacks guize.

I respect the people who spam to 60 in order to post in classifieds, better than people who spam for no ****ing reason other than to do it...

[Dubsgalore]

First, what's wrong with loving Geekhack? I love it and thus I post.
Second, I have over twice the amount of posts needed to post in classifieds. I'm not "spamming" to get to 60.
Third, I haven't made a classifieds thread yet. I don't have anything to sell or buy. I am here to enjoy the keyboards and community.
Fourth, I would like to bring into attention dustinhxc. I remember seeing him getting 30ish posts on his first day. He now has 440 after 20 days, a 22 per day post count. Somebody even called him out on that, and no one batted an eye.

I guess the screenshot was taken out of context to prove a point, but you have to admit that succession of posts is a bit extreme...
No personal attack at all, very clearly taken out of context 

[oluf]

I lurked here for quite a while before finally signing up.. I signed up because I wanted to buy something in the classifieds. I think it would be a shame to cut off new members from the classifieds, or have a second 'special' classified.

[bueller]

I have no problem with users who post a lot if they are quality posts. But we see it all the time, they get super spammy and try and justify saying that they are making quality posts and what happens? As soon as they hit 60 it drops off to a snails pace.

So they're not posting to try and add something beneficial to the conversation, they're just trying to hit some arbitrary number.

[catnipz0098]

First, what's wrong with loving Geekhack? I love it and thus I post.
Second, I have over twice the amount of posts needed to post in classifieds. I'm not "spamming" to get to 60.
Third, I haven't made a classifieds thread yet. I don't have anything to sell or buy. I am here to enjoy the keyboards and community.
Fourth, I would like to bring into attention dustinhxc. I remember seeing him getting 30ish posts on his first day. He now has 440 after 20 days, a 22 per day post count. Somebody even called him out on that, and no one batted an eye.

I guess the screenshot was taken out of context to prove a point, but you have to admit that succession of posts is a bit extreme...
No personal attack at all, very clearly taken out of context 

I like to open a lot of tabs, let them load, respond, and hit send close to each other. My internet is pretty slow and I find that this way is the best for me in terms of waiting for pages to load. Alas it leads to things like that screenshot you took.

[rowdy]

I lurked here for quite a while before finally signing up.. I signed up because I wanted to buy something in the classifieds. I think it would be a shame to cut off new members from the classifieds, or have a second 'special' classified.

The main problem is more along the lines of people who just want to sell something, so they spam up to 60 posts, sell their item, and disappear.  This has the potential to go sour for the buyer, especially if the seller is no longer around.

At the moment there is nothing to stop someone with 0 posts from posting in an existing WTS/WTB thread.

[Dubsgalore]

stahp with the personal attacks guize.

I respect the people who spam to 60 in order to post in classifieds, better than people who spam for no ****ing reason other than to do it...

LOL I just noticed the irony of this
I hope this wasn't intended...it's funny either way, but wow.....what a personal attack right there  )

[catnipz0098]

I have no problem with users who post a lot if they are quality posts. But we see it all the time, they get super spammy and try and justify saying that they are making quality posts and what happens? As soon as they hit 60 it drops off to a snails pace.

So they're not posting to try and add something beneficial to the conversation, they're just trying to hit some arbitrary number.

The screenshot of me was taken today. I had way over 60 yesterday. I'm trying to add to the conversation, and I'm definitely not trying to hit some arbitrary number, and my posts aren't dropping off to a snail's pace, in fact you may even say its increasing, as I have learned more and thus can add more to the conversation.

[bueller]

I have no problem with users who post a lot if they are quality posts. But we see it all the time, they get super spammy and try and justify saying that they are making quality posts and what happens? As soon as they hit 60 it drops off to a snails pace.

So they're not posting to try and add something beneficial to the conversation, they're just trying to hit some arbitrary number.

The screenshot of me was taken today. I had way over 60 yesterday. I'm trying to add to the conversation, and I'm definitely not trying to hit some arbitrary number, and my posts aren't dropping off to a snail's pace, in fact you may even say its increasing, as I have learned more and thus can add more to the conversation.

Oh don't take offense mate, that wasn't directed at you in particular. It's just something I've seen a lot of in the year or so I've been here, you haven't even got a classifieds thread so I don't think anyone is questioning your integrity.

[Dubsgalore]

I have no problem with users who post a lot if they are quality posts. But we see it all the time, they get super spammy and try and justify saying that they are making quality posts and what happens? As soon as they hit 60 it drops off to a snails pace.

So they're not posting to try and add something beneficial to the conversation, they're just trying to hit some arbitrary number.

The screenshot of me was taken today. I had way over 60 yesterday. I'm trying to add to the conversation, and I'm definitely not trying to hit some arbitrary number, and my posts aren't dropping off to a snail's pace, in fact you may even say its increasing, as I have learned more and thus can add more to the conversation.

To be clear, the screenshot is from today, and he has well over 60, and he's not racing thus to 60. however it still is spam..

Just an example, whenever someone is racing to 60, it looks exactly like that, and they are usually short little replies that don't contribute much.

[kmiller8]

LOL I just noticed the irony of this
I hope this wasn't intended...it's funny either way, but wow.....what a personal attack right there  )

Wow, stop trying to start **** nubsgalore.

[okooko]

Regardless of the requirements placed to post in Classifieds, there will always be people ready to take advantage of unwary buyers. (aka. spam to 60 posts, make a sale, leave)
So you need to implement a method that makes it difficult or less worthwhile for the 'bad' seller so even bother.

edit: i do admit i sometimes talk a load of crud and it might be more than 10% of my posts...

[Dubsgalore]

Wow, stop trying to start **** nubsgalore.

wow, is it irony funday-sunday? you started it, remember? (not 15 minutes ago) (see below)

stahp with the personal attacks guize.

I respect the people who spam to 60 in order to post in classifieds, better than people who spam for no ****ing reason other than to do it...

[dustinhxc]

Bueller, how about 2 or 1 months? I remember 3 months in, I was pretty well off and involved with the classifieds..Idk where i would be if i was only allowed 3 months in.
I think 2 months is a better amount of time

There has to be something that could be done. It is really obvious when someone posts 60 posts in two days and then immediately puts up a thread then leaves as soon as they sell/buy or whatever.

I say make the entire classifieds a hidden forum that only members who have reached whatever milestones that are set can see.

I wanted to address you spam in that old thread, but rowdy suggested that it would be taken here so I didn't want to drag it on

The problem with a hidden forum is that some users who are sub-60 and brand new wouldn't be able to see items for sale, and thus wouldn't be able to buy those items via PM

And sure it is obvious, but it still happens and not much really happens...

I mean this just happened today

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 credit to Photekq for screencap

First, what's wrong with loving Geekhack? I love it and thus I post.
Second, I have over twice the amount of posts needed to post in classifieds. I'm not "spamming" to get to 60.
Third, I haven't made a classifieds thread yet. I don't have anything to sell or buy. I am here to enjoy the keyboards and community.
Fourth, I would like to bring into attention dustinhxc. I remember seeing him getting 30ish posts on his first day. He now has 440 after 20 days, a 22 per day post count. Somebody even called him out on that, and no one batted an eye.
Fifth, look at John's thread: http://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=50991.0 . Its filled with people under 60 posts, yet they are actively buying items.

Lol dude I'm still hitting a 25 a day post average! Maybe because.... I love this forum and it's my new favorite place to spend time? Nothing wrong with enjoying a place! Ps people did give me **** at first! ;)

[catnipz0098]

I have no problem with users who post a lot if they are quality posts. But we see it all the time, they get super spammy and try and justify saying that they are making quality posts and what happens? As soon as they hit 60 it drops off to a snails pace.

So they're not posting to try and add something beneficial to the conversation, they're just trying to hit some arbitrary number.

The screenshot of me was taken today. I had way over 60 yesterday. I'm trying to add to the conversation, and I'm definitely not trying to hit some arbitrary number, and my posts aren't dropping off to a snail's pace, in fact you may even say its increasing, as I have learned more and thus can add more to the conversation.

To be clear, the screenshot is from today, and he has well over 60, and he's not racing thus to 60. however it still is spam..

Just an example, whenever someone is racing to 60, it looks exactly like that, and they are usually short little replies that don't contribute much.

Like I said before, my internet is really slow so I let a ton of pages load, read, write about what I want to say, and then hit post post post. Its what I have been used to and will always do until I get better internet.

[Belfong]

I'm relatively new here and I do have an impression that trades here are pretty safe. If we start seeing scams, the confidence will be shaken. I think we need to ensure that this is being taken care of considering the increasing popularity of mech keyboards.

The uniqueness of this trade is that the items are all pretty expensive. And with Clacks, people may claimed that it is lost in post. This is getting scary. A combo of time in board and post count is a good idea. But how much and how long is something the mods has to decide.

What about ratings of each individual? Do we even want to go to that path?

[catnipz0098]

I'm relatively new here and I do have an impression that trades here are pretty safe. If we start seeing scams, the confidence will be shaken. I think we need to ensure that this is being taken care of considering the increasing popularity of mech keyboards.

The uniqueness of this trade is that the items are all pretty expensive. And with Clacks, people may claimed that it is lost in post. This is getting scary. A combo of time in board and post count is a good idea. But how much and how long is something the mods has to decide.

What about ratings of each individual? Do we even want to go to that path?

People should start using the heatware repuation system. I don't plan to trade, so i haven't made one yet. 

[catnipz0098]

Bueller, how about 2 or 1 months? I remember 3 months in, I was pretty well off and involved with the classifieds..Idk where i would be if i was only allowed 3 months in.
I think 2 months is a better amount of time

There has to be something that could be done. It is really obvious when someone posts 60 posts in two days and then immediately puts up a thread then leaves as soon as they sell/buy or whatever.

I say make the entire classifieds a hidden forum that only members who have reached whatever milestones that are set can see.

I wanted to address you spam in that old thread, but rowdy suggested that it would be taken here so I didn't want to drag it on

The problem with a hidden forum is that some users who are sub-60 and brand new wouldn't be able to see items for sale, and thus wouldn't be able to buy those items via PM

And sure it is obvious, but it still happens and not much really happens...

I mean this just happened today

Show Image

 credit to Photekq for screencap

First, what's wrong with loving Geekhack? I love it and thus I post.
Second, I have over twice the amount of posts needed to post in classifieds. I'm not "spamming" to get to 60.
Third, I haven't made a classifieds thread yet. I don't have anything to sell or buy. I am here to enjoy the keyboards and community.
Fourth, I would like to bring into attention dustinhxc. I remember seeing him getting 30ish posts on his first day. He now has 440 after 20 days, a 22 per day post count. Somebody even called him out on that, and no one batted an eye.
Fifth, look at John's thread: http://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=50991.0 . Its filled with people under 60 posts, yet they are actively buying items.

Lol dude I'm still hitting a 25 a day post average! Maybe because.... I love this forum and it's my new favorite place to spend time? Nothing wrong with enjoying a place! Ps people did give me **** at first! ;)

I'm not giving you ****. They called me out on my activity, and thus I cited you, who they do not give **** at.

[dustinhxc]

I do agree heatware would be helpful, I set mine up and need to get some reviews in it. It's scary trading so I have only done it with people that I've noticed are semi long time members.

[kmiller8]

I blame nubs for the fight about to break out, he mocked the message I was trying to portray. tsk tsk.

[Shadovved]

I do agree heatware would be helpful, I set mine up and need to get some reviews in it. It's scary trading so I have only done it with people that I've noticed are semi long time members.

I dont even have heatware ) Never understood the usefulness of it

[rowdy]

I do agree heatware would be helpful, I set mine up and need to get some reviews in it. It's scary trading so I have only done it with people that I've noticed are semi long time members.

I dont even have heatware ) Never understood the usefulness of it

I have it, but hardly anyone seems to use it.

[Dubsgalore]

I blame nubs for the fight about to break out, he mocked the message I was trying to portray. tsk tsk.

You were accusing me of personally attacking someone, when in the first place there wasn't any personal attack, and then at the same time you personally attacked someone, so I pointed out the irony. Ever since, you haven't dropped it and are becoming delusional now
I don't even know what you are talking about anymore, so I am done here Kirk

[kmiller8]

You were accusing me of personally attacking someone, when in the first place there wasn't any personal attack, and then at the same time you personally attacked someone, so I pointed out the irony. Ever since, you haven't dropped it and are becoming delusional now
I don't even know what you are talking about anymore, so I am done here Kirk

[Photekq]

when you can no longer argue, pretend you have rustled the jimmies of the person you were arguing with. that way it seems as if you've won the argument. trust me, i'm 12 years old and i spend a lot of my time on the internet, i know about these things.

[catnipz0098]

One big problem is people like Mickey Mo: http://geekhack.org/index.php?action=profile;u=30435

6 posts that count. 23 actual posts. A bunch are just hi hi hi hi hello. The rest are obviously irrelevant and make no sense.

I'm surprised he hasn't noticed that his post count is still 6.

[kmiller8]

when you can no longer argue, pretend you have rustled the jimmies of the person you were arguing with. that way it seems as if you've won the argument. trust me, i'm 12 years old and i spend a lot of my time on the internet, i know about these things.

you don't even know the 1/5th of it

[dustinhxc]

One big problem is people like Mickey Mo: http://geekhack.org/index.php?action=profile;u=30435

6 posts that count. 23 actual posts. A bunch are just hi hi hi hi hello. The rest are obviously irrelevant and make no sense.

I'm surprised he hasn't noticed that his post count is still 6.

Exactly. At least I make comments and dont just say. i like or hi 

[catnipz0098]

when you can no longer argue, pretend you have rustled the jimmies of the person you were arguing with. that way it seems as if you've won the argument. trust me, i'm 12 years old and i spend a lot of my time on the internet, i know about these things.

you don't even know the 1/5th of it

Care to fill us in with the other 4/5th?

[kmiller8]

Care to fill us in with the other 4/5th?

http://webchat.freenode.net/?channels=geekhack

[catnipz0098]

Care to fill us in with the other 4/5th?

http://webchat.freenode.net/?channels=geekhack

I hate captchas...

[swill]

I would make sure that the forum software that is being used supports such a feature before we go too far down this path.  It is not always trivial to get special use cases like this to fit with the technology.

I am not bashing your idea, I just know that the technical limitations can sometimes dash a good idea before it can truly be realized...

[catnipz0098]

I haven't seen many ideas yet. Just a lot of bashing on other people and so called russled jimmies.

[bueller]

Yeah let's keep it civil okay guys? Would prefer this to be a legitimate conversation regarding what can be done rather than a bunch of people arguing and getting butthurt.

[Pacifist]

I think a combination of 30 posts and 1 month will suffice to take out all the people trying to abuse classifieds.

[bueller]

I think a combination of 30 posts and 1 month will suffice to take out all the people trying to abuse classifieds.

Yeah that sounds pretty good to me. Means users have a month to get their 30 posts which should cut down on some people's spammy nature too.

[Pacifist]

I think a combination of 30 posts and 1 month will suffice to take out all the people trying to abuse classifieds.

Yeah that sounds pretty good to me. Means users have a month to get their 30 posts which should cut down on some people's spammy nature too.

At one post a day its a good rationer.

[HendyZone]

I think a combination of 30 posts and 1 month will suffice to take out all the people trying to abuse classifieds.

Yeah that sounds pretty good to me. Means users have a month to get their 30 posts which should cut down on some people's spammy nature too.

At one post a day its a good rationer.

one post a day )

[rowdy]

Once you start imposing too many restrictions, you will put people off from joining at all.

What about this captcha before every post for a while?  I think this must have come in way after I joined, but it has frustrated quite a few people.

Throw one post per day (or whatever) on top, plus extra restrictions to classifieds, and we might miss out on some good people joining up and staying around.

[SpAmRaY]

I wanted to address you spam in that old thread, but rowdy suggested that it would be taken here so I didn't want to drag it on

The problem with a hidden forum is that some users who are sub-60 and brand new wouldn't be able to see items for sale, and thus wouldn't be able to buy those items via PM

Exactly, that was the point. 

[SpAmRaY]

I respect the people who spam to 60 in order to post in classifieds, better than people who spam for no ****ing reason other than to do it...

    

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Yes exactly because I have never done anything for anyone, been helpful in anyway or tried to make this place better, in fact I secretly hate keyboards and when it gets cold at night I burn vintage keyboards in a barrel to stay warm, throwing in some novelty keys when the flames start to die down to keep the fires burning.

EDIT: darn, double post 

[Pacifist]

Once you start imposing too many restrictions, you will put people off from joining at all.

What about this captcha before every post for a while?  I think this must have come in way after I joined, but it has frustrated quite a few people.

Throw one post per day (or whatever) on top, plus extra restrictions to classifieds, and we might miss out on some good people joining up and staying around.

I remember the captcha and the "name a popular conectivity thing" I tried putting PS2 but every time it was USB 

[rowdy]

EDIT: darn, double post 

Does that kinda prove the point? )

[SpAmRaY]

EDIT: darn, double post 

Does that kinda prove the point? )

I'm an overachiever, what can I say

[rowdy]

EDIT: darn, double post 

Does that kinda prove the point? )

I'm an overachiever, what can I say

QFT

[hashbaz]

Don't derail this thread guys, I think it's a good conversation to have.

I don't have a sense for whether this is an actual problem, or merely something that _could_ be a problem.  Like, how many 60-posters are there that sell something and then leave?  And how many of the people that bought from them got burned?

[SpAmRaY]

Don't derail this thread guys, I think it's a good conversation to have.

I don't have a sense for whether this is an actual problem, or merely something that _could_ be a problem.  Like, how many 60-posters are there that sell something and then leave?  And how many of the people that bought from them got burned?

I personally have not heard of anyone getting burned by new 60 posters but it does seem like there are more and more racing to the magic number to sell things. Perhaps that is an indicator that the 60 post rule is not really serving its intended purpose?

It does seem like many people only come here for the classifieds it would be nice if we could attempt to assimilate them first

[rowdy]

I think I mentioned getting burned first, but I can't recall an instance of it actually happening.  It is a possibility though.  At least if someone sticks around for a while and posts something meaningful, other members will get to know that person at least a little bit.

So saying, there have been some GBs where the originator has taken the money and run.  And that was from fairly established members, so one rule will not fit all.

At least on online auction sites there is a process to follow for sales gone bad, and the feedback to serve as an indication of the person's (seller's and buyer's) reputation.

On another forum I am a member of, there is a dedicated section with one post for each member, and when someone trades with that person they post in that thread describing how the sale/purchase went.  Kinda like a Heatware but localised to that forum.  Then if you want to buy something from someone, you can browse that thread to see how their previous trades went.

[jdcarpe]

I think there should definitely be "private" sections of the forum, to keep out people who can't even be troubled to register an account. 4Grabs comes to mind...

And I agree with something like a 30-day, 30-post rule for classifieds. New members should try to introduce themselves, build some relationships, etc., before we go trusting them with our money/goods.

[hashbaz]

On another forum I am a member of, there is a dedicated section with one post for each member, and when someone trades with that person they post in that thread describing how the sale/purchase went.  Kinda like a Heatware but localised to that forum.  Then if you want to buy something from someone, you can browse that thread to see how their previous trades went.

We used to do that here, a couple of years ago.  Then there was an integrated transaction score/history feature (which I think worked reallyw ell), but we lost it when we transitioned to SMF post-rootworm.

Since nobody seems to be using heatware very much, I would be up for trying the user review subforum again.

[rowdy]

On another forum I am a member of, there is a dedicated section with one post for each member, and when someone trades with that person they post in that thread describing how the sale/purchase went.  Kinda like a Heatware but localised to that forum.  Then if you want to buy something from someone, you can browse that thread to see how their previous trades went.

We used to do that here, a couple of years ago.  Then there was an integrated transaction score/history feature (which I think worked reallyw ell), but we lost it when we transitioned to SMF post-rootworm.

Since nobody seems to be using heatware very much, I would be up for trying the user review subforum again.

+1

[SpAmRaY]

On another forum I am a member of, there is a dedicated section with one post for each member, and when someone trades with that person they post in that thread describing how the sale/purchase went.  Kinda like a Heatware but localised to that forum.  Then if you want to buy something from someone, you can browse that thread to see how their previous trades went.

We used to do that here, a couple of years ago.  Then there was an integrated transaction score/history feature (which I think worked reallyw ell), but we lost it when we transitioned to SMF post-rootworm.

Since nobody seems to be using heatware very much, I would be up for trying the user review subforum again.

^^ I suppose if the trolling could be kept to a minimum that would be a great idea. Something tells me flame suits might be required for some people.

[rowdy]

In other forums (fora?) I visit, if you are not buying or selling then stay out of the thread!

Saying GLWS is all very nice for community spirit, but a page where half the posts are just "they look nice" or "GLWS" kinda distracts from the sale.  The occasional "I bought from him before, he is great" would be alleviated by some sort of reputation system.

This would especially be the case for auctions, where you have to wade through dozens of off-topic posts to find the highest bid for something.  Sometimes I feel sorry for those holding auctions, having to scroll through all the crap just to find who bid on something.

[MsYutai]

Newbie chiming in!

I'm trying not to spam to get to my 60 posts, but I also feel like 60 posts is high for someone new to the keyboard scene who wants to make meaningful posts.

Like if I already had a crazy amount of keyboard stuff I could imagine getting there sooner, but, alas, I do not have a ton of keyboard information or pictures that I want to share!


That and when I have a question, I use the search to find the answer rather than making a post about it.

In-fact, the only reason I did sign up was to use the advanced search feature. Once I found out I might be able to sell a keycap set/keyboard or buy a cool keycap set in the classifieds, I started working my way to 60 posts.

Even so, I was able to buy a set of DDR caps off of the classifieds with too-few posts ($6... lol).
I notice that the mechmarket reddit doesn't have any kind of rep limit, and I haven't heard of anyone scamming on there. Plus to make an account here is already more difficult.

Anyways, I guess my 2 cents is that 60 posts seems kinda high. I do like the idea of someone being an active member for some period of time (3 months seems reasonable)...

[SpAmRaY]

Newbie chiming in!

I'm trying not to spam to get to my 60 posts, but I also feel like 60 posts is high for someone new to the keyboard scene who wants to make meaningful posts.

Like if I already had a crazy amount of keyboard stuff I could imagine getting there sooner, but, alas, I do not have a ton of keyboard information or pictures that I want to share!


That and when I have a question, I use the search to find the answer rather than making a post about it.

In-fact, the only reason I did sign up was to use the advanced search feature. Once I found out I might be able to sell a keycap set/keyboard or buy a cool keycap set in the classifieds, I started working my way to 60 posts.

Even so, I was able to buy a set of DDR caps off of the classifieds with too-few posts ($6... lol).
I notice that the mechmarket reddit doesn't have any kind of rep limit, and I haven't heard of anyone scamming on there. Plus to make an account here is already more difficult.

Anyways, I guess my 2 cents is that 60 posts seems kinda high. I do like the idea of someone being an active member for some period of time (3 months seems reasonable)...

This is NOT reddit.

And you can always search this forum using google.

[Pacifist]

I'm still a firm supporter of either 30 posts+1 month or 60 posts, with the mods giving extreme warnings to those obviously spamming their way to 60.

60 posts is fine as it is, prevents a lot of people who just come here to get a keyboard and leave.

30 posts+1 month is a better option.

But now I feel 60 posts+1 month is the best option because 1. it prevents spam from people doing 60 in a day
2. the 60 post thing hasn't severely affected people yet
3. The 1 month timeframe allows people to learn more about the forums and flourish their lives after 60

[ITzNybble]

I think there should definitely be "private" sections of the forum, to keep out people who can't even be troubled to register an account. 4Grabs comes to mind...

And I agree with something like a 30-day, 30-post rule for classifieds. New members should try to introduce themselves, build some relationships, etc., before we go trusting them with our money/goods.

what about an approval process to be allowed to use the Classifieds. Maybe a Peer review sort of thing. The majority decides? This system has flaws as well but would promote building relationships with others on the forums.

[catnipz0098]

I think there should definitely be "private" sections of the forum, to keep out people who can't even be troubled to register an account. 4Grabs comes to mind...

And I agree with something like a 30-day, 30-post rule for classifieds. New members should try to introduce themselves, build some relationships, etc., before we go trusting them with our money/goods.

what about an approval process to be allowed to use the Classifieds. Maybe a Peer review sort of thing. The majority decides? This system has flaws as well but would promote building relationships with others on the forums.

I feel like 4 people would vote with thought an the few rest will just pick some random option.

[okooko]

I'm still a firm supporter of either 30 posts+1 month or 60 posts, with the mods giving extreme warnings to those obviously spamming their way to 60.

60 posts is fine as it is, prevents a lot of people who just come here to get a keyboard and leave.

30 posts+1 month is a better option.

But now I feel 60 posts+1 month is the best option because 1. it prevents spam from people doing 60 in a day
2. the 60 post thing hasn't severely affected people yet
3. The 1 month timeframe allows people to learn more about the forums and flourish their lives after 60

Whats wrong with people coming and buying a board and leaving?
Its more likely for those that buy customs to stick around, coz its a lot of money to blow for kicks. also where do you think they'd sell it should they not want it anymore?
...back to GH...

[Pacifist]

I'm still a firm supporter of either 30 posts+1 month or 60 posts, with the mods giving extreme warnings to those obviously spamming their way to 60.

60 posts is fine as it is, prevents a lot of people who just come here to get a keyboard and leave.

30 posts+1 month is a better option.

But now I feel 60 posts+1 month is the best option because 1. it prevents spam from people doing 60 in a day
2. the 60 post thing hasn't severely affected people yet
3. The 1 month timeframe allows people to learn more about the forums and flourish their lives after 60

Whats wrong with people coming and buying a board and leaving?
Its more likely for those that buy customs to stick around, coz its a lot of money to blow for kicks. also where do you think they'd sell it should they not want it anymore?
...back to GH...

They just came in to use our classifieds, not participate in the community.
the whole reason why this thread is here is to discourage spamming to get to 60 to sell stuff and then leave

[inlikeflynn]

how about increasing the post count requirement to 1000 for posting in the classifieds so that my friend Spamy has some competition 

[demik]

the amount of new zero post accounts just to buy stuff is becoming quite high.


since GHers seem to buy anything, i'll sell 60 of my post for 10 dollars. get them while they're available!

[Pacifist]

Yea, why are less than 60 post people allowed to comment in classifieds, but not make their own post?
They can just look around the classifieds and abuse existing threads right now.

So at the very least, we should make classifieds hidden until a new person hits whatever requirement we ultimately decide

[SpAmRaY]

how about increasing the post count requirement to 6000 for posting in the classifieds so that my friend Spamy has some competition 

FTFY

[Pacifist]

how about increasing the post count requirement to 6000 for posting in the classifieds so that my friend Spamy has some competition 

FTFY

Two days and its over, there will be no competition to get to 6000

[inlikeflynn]

how about increasing the post count requirement to 6000 for posting in the classifieds so that my friend Spamy has some competition 

FTFY

you should start posting for me to get my post count up off one per day

[HoffmanMyster]

how about increasing the post count requirement to 1000 for posting in the classifieds so that my friend Spamy has some competition 

Dang.  I'll need another 9 months before I can even sell anything!

Yea, why are less than 60 post people allowed to comment in classifieds, but not make their own post?
They can just look around the classifieds and abuse existing threads right now.

So at the very least, we should make classifieds hidden until a new person hits whatever requirement we ultimately decide

I'll throw in my opinion at this point.  When I first joined GH, I bought something from someone in the classifieds when I had only 5 or 10 posts.  I actually only joined GH mainly to participate in a group buy, and bought some keycaps to go along with it from a user in the classifieds.  I didn't just bail, but instead became incredibly invested in the community and this hobby.  Maybe I'm an exception, but I doubt it.  Most people in this hobby enjoy showing their gear off and get a kick out of seeing everyone else's stuff.  People rarely buy a set of keycaps for $80+ and just bail without becoming invested in the community.

Like I said, maybe I'm an exception.  But I'm glad this rule didn't exist when I joined.  I agree that new users shouldn't be able to create their own posts, but what's the harm in letting them buy stuff that others are selling?  Maybe they'll get some cool stuff and stick around.

[SpAmRaY]

how about increasing the post count requirement to 6000 for posting in the classifieds so that my friend Spamy has some competition 

FTFY

you should start posting for me to get my post count up off one per day

$0.50/post whether it counts or not!

[Pacifist]

how about increasing the post count requirement to 1000 for posting in the classifieds so that my friend Spamy has some competition 

Dang.  I'll need another 9 months before I can even sell anything!

Yea, why are less than 60 post people allowed to comment in classifieds, but not make their own post?
They can just look around the classifieds and abuse existing threads right now.

So at the very least, we should make classifieds hidden until a new person hits whatever requirement we ultimately decide

I'll throw in my opinion at this point.  When I first joined GH, I bought something from someone in the classifieds when I had only 5 or 10 posts.  I actually only joined GH mainly to participate in a group buy, and bought some keycaps to go along with it from a user in the classifieds.  I didn't just bail, but instead became incredibly invested in the community and this hobby.  Maybe I'm an exception, but I doubt it.  Most people in this hobby enjoy showing their gear off and get a kick out of seeing everyone else's stuff.  People rarely buy a set of keycaps for $80+ and just bail without becoming invested in the community.

Like I said, maybe I'm an exception.  But I'm glad this rule didn't exist when I joined.  I agree that new users shouldn't be able to create their own posts, but what's the harm in letting them buy stuff that others are selling?  Maybe they'll get some cool stuff and stick around.

I guess we should let them stay. But the problem is I see some people lurk, see something they want to buy, make an acount, buy what they want, then leave

[SpAmRaY]

The bigger issue is the zero posters who join to shill bid in auctions.

[Pacifist]

The bigger issue is the zero posters who join to shill bid in auctions.

Mods should take care of that. If a user sees someone with really little posts doing something that looks a lot like shill bidding, then they should be at least muted.

[SpAmRaY]

The bigger issue is the zero posters who join to shill bid in auctions.

Mods should take care of that. If a user sees someone with really little posts doing something that looks a lot like shill bidding, then they should be at least muted.

All I know is as recent auction jumped quite a but from a brand new registered 0 poster in the last few minutes. Pretty sure that user hasn't been back either.

[rowdy]

how about increasing the post count requirement to 6000 for posting in the classifieds so that my friend Spamy has some competition 

FTFY

Two days and its over, there will be no competition to get to 6000

6000?

Pffft newbies )

Anyway, the classifieds is supposed to be a service to members of the GH community.  Someone who just joins, sells and departs is not really contributing to the community.

Similarly someone who joins, spams to 60, then buys or sells and then departs, the same.

If someone had to join, had to reach 60 posts, and had to do this over the period of, say, a month, would then more or less be a part of the community.

There are other online auction sites out there where you could probably get a higher price for some of the items that pass through here, but again the lower prices (for certain items, before anyone says anything) is as a courtesy and benefit to the community.

[bueller]

Anyway, the classifieds is supposed to be a service to members of the GH community.  Someone who just joins, sells and departs is not really contributing to the community.

Similarly someone who joins, spams to 60, then buys or sells and then departs, the same.

If someone had to join, had to reach 60 posts, and had to do this over the period of, say, a month, would then more or less be a part of the community.

This is how I think about it. People seem to be think that the only forum of worth here is the classifieds and they couldn't be further from the truth. There is so much interesting stuff going on in Interest Checks, GB's and Making Stuff Together just to name a few. If people aren't willing to contribute to the rest of the community then why should they be allowed to participate in the classifieds?

[Computer-Lab in Basement]

After reading much of this thread I find the same argument several times: that adding more restrictions will make people not want to join GH or will make people want to leave.

Can someone explain to me why this is a problem? If someone actually wants to be a decent, contributing member of this community they will put up with the added restrictions, for the sole purpose of contributing. And if they feel like it's not worth the effort, then they probably didn't have much to contribute in the first place...

Classifieds should be restricted a bit further IMO. 60 posts required to even POST in the classifieds, and 100 posts to start a thread.

[rowdy]

Classifieds should be restricted a bit further IMO. 60 posts required to even POST in the classifieds, and 100 posts to start a thread.

Has this changed recently?  You used to need 60 posts to create a new thread, but could reply to an existing thread even if your post count was 0.

[Computer-Lab in Basement]

Just saw someone with 0 posts bidding in a GH auction just yesterday.  So no, hasn't changed. But again, it should be IMO...

[stancato9]

After reading much of this thread I find the same argument several times: that adding more restrictions will make people not want to join GH or will make people want to leave.

Can someone explain to me why this is a problem? If someone actually wants to be a decent, contributing member of this community they will put up with the added restrictions, for the sole purpose of contributing. And if they feel like it's not worth the effort, then they probably didn't have much to contribute in the first place...

Classifieds should be restricted a bit further IMO. 60 posts required to even POST in the classifieds, and 100 posts to start a thread.

I like this idea. Like a few people said before, people can post in the classifieds without having 60 posts. Buying is possible, and so is selling by PMing people who are looking for an item they have.

But on the other hand, someone before touched on the fact that it may be hard for some people to even post meaningful comments when they are new to the world of mechanical keyboards. I feel for these people because even I felt as if I had nothing useful, or important to contribute to this community when I first joined. It is a little intimidating and some people are afraid of getting shot down if their posts aren't up to unwritten standards.

[bueller]

But on the other hand, someone before touched on the fact that it may be hard for some people to even post meaningful comments when they are new to the world of mechanical keyboards. I feel for these people because even I felt as if I had nothing useful, or important to contribute to this community when I first joined. It is a little intimidating and some people are afraid of getting shot down if their posts aren't up to unwritten standards.

It's really not that hard. Post photos of your keyboard in the media subforum, make suggestions in IC threads, welcome other users in the new users subforum. It will be a slow start (it was for  me) but once you start building a bit of knowledge from reading other posts you'll soon start replying to queries from new users yourself. I've only been a member since March and I have a ton of posts.

[bueller]

After reading much of this thread I find the same argument several times: that adding more restrictions will make people not want to join GH or will make people want to leave.

Can someone explain to me why this is a problem? If someone actually wants to be a decent, contributing member of this community they will put up with the added restrictions, for the sole purpose of contributing. And if they feel like it's not worth the effort, then they probably didn't have much to contribute in the first place...

Classifieds should be restricted a bit further IMO. 60 posts required to even POST in the classifieds, and 100 posts to start a thread.

I like this idea. Like a few people said before, people can post in the classifieds without having 60 posts. Buying is possible, and so is selling by PMing people who are looking for an item they have.

But on the other hand, someone before touched on the fact that it may be hard for some people to even post meaningful comments when they are new to the world of mechanical keyboards. I feel for these people because even I felt as if I had nothing useful, or important to contribute to this community when I first joined. It is a little intimidating and some people are afraid of getting shot down if their posts aren't up to unwritten standards.

You're a perfect example really, only been a member for 3 months and you've got over 200 posts.

[SpAmRaY]

After reading much of this thread I find the same argument several times: that adding more restrictions will make people not want to join GH or will make people want to leave.

Can someone explain to me why this is a problem? If someone actually wants to be a decent, contributing member of this community they will put up with the added restrictions, for the sole purpose of contributing. And if they feel like it's not worth the effort, then they probably didn't have much to contribute in the first place...

Classifieds should be restricted a bit further IMO. 60 posts required to even POST in the classifieds, and 100 posts to start a thread.

^^ What I was saying is I'm not sure if the 'people in charge' will make any changes they think might keep traffic away, but I could be wrong.

I think it's a great idea that we only have people here who actually want to be here, and as was mentioned above there are many other benefits other than just buying and selling from being here. There are tons of members who only come here to buy and sell, they never post, they may lurk however I don't know but many of them I believe were more active in the past because they usually have plenty of posts.

[stancato9]

After reading much of this thread I find the same argument several times: that adding more restrictions will make people not want to join GH or will make people want to leave.

Can someone explain to me why this is a problem? If someone actually wants to be a decent, contributing member of this community they will put up with the added restrictions, for the sole purpose of contributing. And if they feel like it's not worth the effort, then they probably didn't have much to contribute in the first place...

Classifieds should be restricted a bit further IMO. 60 posts required to even POST in the classifieds, and 100 posts to start a thread.

I like this idea. Like a few people said before, people can post in the classifieds without having 60 posts. Buying is possible, and so is selling by PMing people who are looking for an item they have.

But on the other hand, someone before touched on the fact that it may be hard for some people to even post meaningful comments when they are new to the world of mechanical keyboards. I feel for these people because even I felt as if I had nothing useful, or important to contribute to this community when I first joined. It is a little intimidating and some people are afraid of getting shot down if their posts aren't up to unwritten standards.

You're a perfect example really, only been a member for 3 months and you've got over 200 posts.

Yeah, but even now I still question the content of my posts.  ) I'm a pretty introverted guy so that's probably why. 

[Computer-Lab in Basement]

^^ What I was saying is I'm not sure if the 'people in charge' will make any changes they think might keep traffic away, but I could be wrong.

But I don't see how this could possibly be a major issue.  If that is the only thing the "people in charge" are worried about then they're obviously part of the problem (sorry admins).

Seriously though, if that's the case, and high traffic volume is the real goal of this forum, then this community will continue to be over-run by large numbers of low-posters who are here just to obtain goodies; all while contributing nothing but butthurt and debate among the true, devoted members of the community.


I am seriously hoping that this isn't the case and that the admins are willing to make changes that will benefit this community.

[SpAmRaY]

^^ What I was saying is I'm not sure if the 'people in charge' will make any changes they think might keep traffic away, but I could be wrong.

But I don't see how this could possibly be a major issue.  If that is the only thing the "people in charge" are worried about then they're obviously part of the problem (sorry admins).

Seriously though, if that's the case, and high traffic volume is the real goal of this forum, then this community will continue to be over-run by large numbers of low-posters who are here just to obtain goodies; all while contributing nothing but butthurt and debate among the true, devoted members of the community.


I am seriously hoping that this isn't the case and that the admins are willing to make changes that will benefit this community.

No one has said they are I just assumed they want traffic and it seems like lately most of our traffic is because of the classifieds.

 Maybe hashbaz can enlighten us on that aspect of things.

[Computer-Lab in Basement]

It'd be nice to know. With all the debates recently, it's quite obvious something has to be done. The big question is: what?

Paging hashbaz! (or any admin for that matter)

[hashbaz]

The priority of iMav and the rest of the staff is to have a cool place to collaborate on projects and discuss keyboards.  I don't see numbers regularly (one of the other admins might know more) but my impression is that traffic is way up.  That's a good thing but it's not our focus.

[rowdy]

I haven't seen any advertising on the site, so I guess that more traffic just means a bigger bill at the end of the month.

And to clarify, by advertising I mean like Google adverts.

[SpAmRaY]

The priority of iMav and the rest of the staff is to have a cool place to collaborate on projects and discuss keyboards.  I don't see numbers regularly (one of the other admins might know more) but my impression is that traffic is way up.  That's a good thing but it's not our focus.

Well obviously we are getting a huge influx from reddit, where people here about the circus and have to come see if the bearded lady is hot or not, whether that is a good or bad thing remains unseen.

[Computer-Lab in Basement]

The priority of iMav and the rest of the staff is to have a cool place to collaborate on projects and discuss keyboards.  I don't see numbers regularly (one of the other admins might know more) but my impression is that traffic is way up.  That's a good thing but it's not our focus.

Well obviously we are getting a huge influx from reddit, where people here about the circus and have to come see if the bearded lady is hot or not, whether that is a good or bad thing remains unseen.

So Ripster is (still) part of the problem? Actually makes a lot of sense.

Also, does DT have similar issues? Or have they been isolated to GH?

[AGmurdercore]

I will honest i haven't read all of the posts in this thread but i do think that the 60 posts rule should be changed with some that requires more commitment if i can say. The time limitation seems a lot better in my eyes.

[SpAmRaY]

The priority of iMav and the rest of the staff is to have a cool place to collaborate on projects and discuss keyboards.  I don't see numbers regularly (one of the other admins might know more) but my impression is that traffic is way up.  That's a good thing but it's not our focus.

Well obviously we are getting a huge influx from reddit, where people here about the circus and have to come see if the bearded lady is hot or not, whether that is a good or bad thing remains unseen.

So Ripster is (still) part of the problem? Actually makes a lot of sense.

Also, does DT have similar issues? Or have they been isolated to GH?

I don't think DT gets many noobs.

[bueller]

The priority of iMav and the rest of the staff is to have a cool place to collaborate on projects and discuss keyboards.  I don't see numbers regularly (one of the other admins might know more) but my impression is that traffic is way up.  That's a good thing but it's not our focus.

Well obviously we are getting a huge influx from reddit, where people here about the circus and have to come see if the bearded lady is hot or not, whether that is a good or bad thing remains unseen.

So Ripster is (still) part of the problem? Actually makes a lot of sense.

Also, does DT have similar issues? Or have they been isolated to GH?

I don't think DT gets many noobs.

No clacks bro.

[Krogenar]

Why not make access to the Classifieds (and 4Grab events) the cost of a background check -- in order to get that access you pay GH a token amount, and your personal details are verified using a PayPal transaction. Every existing GH member in good standing is grandfathered in. This would:

1. Give GH some additional operating funds. This is a good place, a success -- successes deserve to be funded.
2. A 13-year-old dunce who just wants a Clack won't be able to have a Paypal account for verification purposes. Sorry, kid.
3. An adult with a genuine interest in buying their first mechanical keyboard won't mind paying a token amount to do so in confidence.
4. People who just want to talk about keyboards as opposed to buying/selling still can at no cost.
5. If the buying and selling does generate some amount of unrest, at least that unrest will be offset by the additional funds.

Again, to be clear: grandfather in the existing members. That means someone who has been here for a year contributing to the discussion doesn't have to pay -- only new members who insist on access to the Classifieds. This would also keep 4Grabs events within the GH family. So if the Paypal donation is $3, and 300 people register two days before the 4Grabs, well, that's a nice chunk of change for the site. That will help a lot of Groupbuys, a lot of worthwhile projects. That kind of money funds forum and server upgrades. So someone who's been lurking can register, have no posts, but be verified as having a valid PayPal account, and immediately participate in the Classifieds. And if there's a fraud issue, lack of payment, etc. -- let PayPal handle it.

As things are now, 4Grabs events are like free lottery tickets -- why should they be free? Access to the Classifieds is also very nearly free -- why should that be?

[SpAmRaY]

^^ The 13yr old will just use mom or dad's paypal

I've had a few of those transactions and they always bother me.

[Computer-Lab in Basement]

Why not make access to the Classifieds (and 4Grab events) the cost of a background check -- in order to get that access you pay GH a token amount, and your personal details are verified using a PayPal transaction. Every existing GH member in good standing is grandfathered in. This would:

1. Give GH some additional operating funds. This is a good place, a success -- successes deserve to be funded.
2. A 13-year-old dunce who just wants a Clack won't be able to have a Paypal account for verification purposes. Sorry, kid.
3. An adult with a genuine interest in buying their first mechanical keyboard won't mind paying a token amount to do so in confidence.
4. People who just want to talk about keyboards as opposed to buying/selling still can at no cost.
5. If the buying and selling does generate some amount of unrest, at least that unrest will be offset by the additional funds.

Again, to be clear: grandfather in the existing members. That means someone who has been here for a year contributing to the discussion doesn't have to pay -- only new members who insist on access to the Classifieds. This would also keep 4Grabs events within the GH family. So if the Paypal donation is $3, and 300 people register two days before the 4Grabs, well, that's a nice chunk of change for the site. That will help a lot of Groupbuys, a lot of worthwhile projects. That kind of money funds forum and server upgrades. So someone who's been lurking can register, have no posts, but be verified as having a valid PayPal account, and immediately participate in the Classifieds. And if there's a fraud issue, lack of payment, etc. -- let PayPal handle it.

As things are now, 4Grabs events are like free lottery tickets -- why should they be free? Access to the Classifieds is also very nearly free -- why should that be?

No offence, but putting a price on the ability to post in the classifieds is just a horrible idea.  Admins are already skeptical of implementing too harsh of a restriction on the classifieds, but I think charging people for it just puts it over the top.

And how would this change anything? Not all newbies are kids, so they'd be more than willing to pay the $3 for classifieds posting rights, and then we're right back where we started. Except with more money for GH (the only good thing about this idea).

[Krogenar]

No offence, but putting a price on the ability to post in the classifieds is just a horrible idea.  Admins are already skeptical of implementing too harsh of a restriction on the classifieds, but I think charging people for it just puts it over the top.

Is a $2-$3 PayPal confirmation really so harsh? Would it cut down on the new members? Only the ones that are here solely (possibly) for the free lottery tickets (4Grabs), and shill bidding. People who just want to talk about their projects, about keyboards, etc. -- nothing changes. They can still lurk, they can register when they're ready; they can contribute to projects, discussions. At their discretion they can decide to take the plunge and purchase access to the Classifieds, or be gifted access, or make the donation out of pure goodwill. GH is well worth a $2-$3 donation that not only supports the forum but decreases the likelihood of fraud.

And how would this change anything? Not all newbies are kids, so they'd be more than willing to pay the $3 for classifieds posting rights, and then we're right back where we started. Except with more money for GH (the only good thing about this idea).

As Ray correctly pointed out, it's not a perfect solution. There can still be some fraud, in any system. There will still be punks with daddy or mommy's credit card, or a stolen card, etc. -- but it would reduce the likelihood of fraud by at least some degree. So if 300 new members would normally join in preparation for a 4Grabs, or access to the Classifieds, and they immediately begin posting crap in order to make the post threshhold -- under my proposal most would say screw it (200 of them?) and the other 100 would pay. That's 200x50+ useless posts we don't have to store and serve up and scroll past. And some useful funds in the process, and 100 new users who are verified/validated.

Then that money can go towards projects, forum upgrades, etc. -- which would likely only drive the success of the forum further.

Some money, less crap posts, fewer transitory (market-minded only) members. What's not to like?

[osi]

Newb here. The classifieds section is great here but it was not the main pull that drove me to the site. I came here for keyboard knowledge and lore and there is plenty of it scattered throughout these forums.

Having said that, it will probably be a long time before I achieve 60 posts and I'm in no rush. There is just so much information available; not a lot of new stuff to post about for me .

[Computer-Lab in Basement]

No offence, but putting a price on the ability to post in the classifieds is just a horrible idea.  Admins are already skeptical of implementing too harsh of a restriction on the classifieds, but I think charging people for it just puts it over the top.

Is a $2-$3 PayPal confirmation really so harsh? Would it cut down on the new members? Only the ones that are here solely (possibly) for the free lottery tickets (4Grabs), and shill bidding. People who just want to talk about their projects, about keyboards, etc. -- nothing changes. They can still lurk, they can register when they're ready; they can contribute to projects, discussions. At their discretion they can decide to take the plunge and purchase access to the Classifieds, or be gifted access, or make the donation out of pure goodwill. GH is well worth a $2-$3 donation that not only supports the forum but decreases the likelihood of fraud.

And how would this change anything? Not all newbies are kids, so they'd be more than willing to pay the $3 for classifieds posting rights, and then we're right back where we started. Except with more money for GH (the only good thing about this idea).

As Ray correctly pointed out, it's not a perfect solution. There can still be some fraud, in any system. There will still be punks with daddy or mommy's credit card, or a stolen card, etc. -- but it would reduce the likelihood of fraud by at least some degree. So if 300 new members would normally join in preparation for a 4Grabs, or access to the Classifieds, and they immediately begin posting crap in order to make the post threshhold -- under my proposal most would say screw it (200 of them?) and the other 100 would pay. That's 200x50+ useless posts we don't have to store and serve up and scroll past. And some useful funds in the process, and 100 new users who are verified/validated.

Then that money can go towards projects, forum upgrades, etc. -- which would likely only drive the success of the forum further.

I agree that any system will have it's flaws, but I feel that the one you are proposing makes it too easy for new members to "buy in" and be able to use the classifieds without restriction.  A time/post restriction is easier to implement and much more efficient at deterring shill bidders, profiteers, and newbs who are here just for Clack sales.

[Krogenar]

I agree that any system will have it's flaws, but I feel that the one you are proposing makes it too easy for new members to "buy in" and be able to use the classifieds without restriction.  A time/post restriction is easier to implement and much more efficient at deterring shill bidders, profiteers, and newbs who are here just for Clack sales.

They wouldn't be completely anonymous anymore, at the very least. What I notice is that the profile of a "good" GH user is exactly the sort who won't make 60 useless posts. Why should they have to wait months, patiently waiting for a chance to make useful posts while less scrupulous members just make 60 useless posts in 4 weeks, and then they get to participate more fully than the "better" user?

I agree fully with you CLiB, that a time/post restriction is far, far easier to implement. I don't think it is more efficient at deterring the "problem" or less desired users and the behavior they bring. There's a reason companies announce "this phone call will be recorded for training purposes" -- once someone knows they will not be completely anonymous, that there will be some concrete record of their behavior, the bad behavior is more likely to stop.

Oh, and the extra money for GH. There's that too. 

[Computer-Lab in Basement]

I agree that any system will have it's flaws, but I feel that the one you are proposing makes it too easy for new members to "buy in" and be able to use the classifieds without restriction.  A time/post restriction is easier to implement and much more efficient at deterring shill bidders, profiteers, and newbs who are here just for Clack sales.

They wouldn't be completely anonymous anymore, at the very least. What I notice is that the profile of a "good" GH user is exactly the sort who won't make 60 useless posts. Why should they have to wait months, patiently waiting for a chance to make useful posts while less scrupulous members just make 60 useless posts in 4 weeks, and then they get to participate more fully than the "better" user?

I agree fully with you CLiB, that a time/post restriction is far, far easier to implement. I don't think it is more efficient at deterring the "problem" or less desired users and the behavior they bring. There's a reason companies announce "this phone call will be recorded for training purposes" -- once someone knows they will not be completely anonymous, that there will be some concrete record of their behavior, the bad behavior is more likely to stop.

Oh, and the extra money for GH. There's that too. 

But how will charging to open the classifieds for new members make them less anonymous? It's not like the mods/admins have the legal basis to release their personal information (i.e. PayPal account info) to the public, so they're just as anonymous to us as they would have been before. The only people who they wouldn't be anonymous to would be the mods/admins.

And now that I think about it, mods already have the power to stop people from spamming their way to 60 posts. It's called MODERATING! If they notice a new member that is blatantly spamming their way to 60 posts, they can simply delete the spam, their post count is reduced, and they have to actually post something worth while.

And if the typical "good" new GH user isn't trying to get their 60 posts as fast as possible, then isn't it obvious that they aren't here just for the classifieds and are perfectly content to wait it out until they reach that milestone?

[Krogenar]

But how will charging to open the classifieds for new members make them less anonymous? It's not like the mods/admins have the legal basis to release their personal information (i.e. PayPal account info) to the public, so they're just as anonymous to us as they would have been before.

The new member wishing access to the classifieds would require a PayPal account, and PayPal does have its own verification process. If you buy or sell something using PayPal, and something goes very wrong (fraudulently wrong) you at least have some recourse. The mods/owners wouldn't release personal information, but at least they would know that there was some minimum standard of verification performed by PayPal.

The only people who they wouldn't be anonymous to would be the mods/admins.

Exactly. It's not like you would have your identity posted to everyone, just the people who should be in possession of that information. Users would still have some anonymity, but not so much that they could be shills, or sock puppets, or act fraudulently.

And now that I think about it, mods already have the power to stop people from spamming their way to 60 posts. It's called MODERATING! If they notice a new member that is blatantly spamming their way to 60 posts, they can simply delete the spam, their post count is reduced, and they have to actually post something worth while.

You raise a very valid point. The only problems with that method are: it could be very subjective, and will require a lot more effort (which could be directed more productively elsewhere) and raises no funds for GH. Also, if you get a flood of people in advance of a 4Grabs drawing, that's going to very taxing on the mods. 

And if the typical "good" new GH user isn't trying to get their 60 posts as fast as possible, then isn't it obvious that they aren't here just for the classifieds and are perfectly content to wait it out until they reach that milestone?

They may be content. What if they're not? Let's say we get a new member who contributes a lot, but manages to do it with brevity.

This chills me to the bone. 

This great new member contributes a new interface, a fantastic series of writeups, but they're at 45 posts. We should have a system that lets them make a small donation and immediately get access, if they so choose. Why should they have to wait, even if they are willing to do so? We should slant the game board in favor of rewarding new members that fit our vision of what the community should be.

Maybe a hybrid system? Reach 100 posts (non-spam) or pay $2-$3 to be verified and get immediate access?

Anyway, we can just agree to disagree on the matter. No system will end up being perfect, that's for certain.

[frvrngn]

I like the time as a member idea put in force along with post count.  I have been a member for 3 years yet I have low posts.  I tend to read and research more than post.  Most of the time the question I want answered has been posted before, in fact I would say it happens 99% of the time so if I am patient I can find my answer.  I have started posting more recently due to wanting to get some different ideas on keyboards (really want that 60% Alps from Matias) and looking for opinions of others.  I went for a long stretch where I didnt post anything as I was quite happy with my keyboard setups.

I have been a watch collector for a very long time and on one of the biggest watch forums out they have disabled any replies in their classifieds.  You cant post GLWS or anything like that, only the OP can post and then its just one bump per 12hrs or you can edit your post.  It really cleaned up the classified section. 

That same site also has a very good user feedback forum.  Its the first place I visit before somebody buys one of my watches or to check out a buyer. 

[HoffmanMyster]

On the subject of new users posting in classifieds threads and buying things:
Do we know that this is actually a problem?  I mean, everyone's mentioning things that could go wrong.  Is this actually even a problem?  I don't see a threat here.  What's the harm in letting a new person buy a cool keyboard? 

It seems that shill bidding is a real threat, but that's really easy to moderate.  Heck, the person running the auction could just put in the OP "ignore all bids by users with under 60 posts".  And if you don't feel comfortable selling to someone with under 60 posts, just don't do it.

But if I want to sell to a new user, why should that be restricted?

[SpAmRaY]

It seems that shill bidding is a real threat, but that's really easy to moderate.  Heck, the person running the auction could just put in the OP "ignore all bids by users with under 60 posts".  And if you don't feel comfortable selling to someone with under 60 posts, just don't do it.

I guess I was thinking the shill bidding might be from the person running the auction

[frvrngn]

I sold a keyboard to a new user, I think she had 6 posts at the time.  Transaction went very smoothly.  I think its up to the seller to decide if they want to take the risk or not.  My board was cheap, she had a confirmed address and everything checked out so it wasnt a big deal and it went great.

I do think its a little odd that a brand new user can buy though.  I can understand the draw of the classifieds when you are looking for a new board but it would be nice if they stuck around a while first.

[MKULTRA]

Newbie chiming in!

I'm trying not to spam to get to my 60 posts, but I also feel like 60 posts is high for someone new to the keyboard scene who wants to make meaningful posts.

Like if I already had a crazy amount of keyboard stuff I could imagine getting there sooner, but, alas, I do not have a ton of keyboard information or pictures that I want to share!


That and when I have a question, I use the search to find the answer rather than making a post about it.

In-fact, the only reason I did sign up was to use the advanced search feature. Once I found out I might be able to sell a keycap set/keyboard or buy a cool keycap set in the classifieds, I started working my way to 60 posts.

Even so, I was able to buy a set of DDR caps off of the classifieds with too-few posts ($6... lol).
I notice that the mechmarket reddit doesn't have any kind of rep limit, and I haven't heard of anyone scamming on there. Plus to make an account here is already more difficult.

Anyways, I guess my 2 cents is that 60 posts seems kinda high. I do like the idea of someone being an active member for some period of time (3 months seems reasonable)...

Then learn about the keyboard scene.  Get involved in the community.  It isn't particularly tough.

[HoffmanMyster]

It seems that shill bidding is a real threat, but that's really easy to moderate.  Heck, the person running the auction could just put in the OP "ignore all bids by users with under 60 posts".  And if you don't feel comfortable selling to someone with under 60 posts, just don't do it.

I guess I was thinking the shill bidding might be from the person running the auction

Oh, right.  Duh.  So perhaps auctions are a separate beast that should be dealt with accordingly, but my last sentence that you posted still stands, and applies to sales as well.  If you feel very strongly about selling to someone devoted to the community, then do that.  Don't sell to a new user.

[Pacifist]

I still support using ebay for our auctions. Its much orderly and has buyer and seller protection. Plus all that crap on there gets moved to an external site. Just make a seperate forum to post auctions that get bumped once every 24 hrs by only the seller.

[McWilloughby]

From the point of view of someone who's been here for about a year (can't remember exactly) but doesn't post all that often:

What is wrong with the 30 posts +1 month for access to the classifieds idea? I like geekhack, the people here seem nice and the things that get achieved in making stuff (I'm amazed by how quickly things go from concept to working prototype here) and the stuff that gets put through IC and GB is often incredible - these aspects of the forum were what made me join, rather than lurking. I don't really understand all the talk of "turning away new members because of too many restrictions". Surely, it would be better to have a forum made of members who stuck around for a month before even considering buying things from the classifieds than one that exists purely as a market place where they can pick up things that are hard to find on eBay?

Fair enough if there have been plenty of successful sales to low post count people, that's nice but envision a scenario where you need 30 posts/1 month to even see the classifieds: "Dear <<new poster>>, you have now hit 30 posts and 1 month membership of the forum meaning you now have access to the classifieds section of the forum, congrats and welcome to geekhack."
"Ooh, I wonder what they have for sale there."
*checks classifieds, realises they missed a sale of a poker 2 for $80*

Now, after <<new poster>> has been here a month and contributed 30 posts, are they going to rage-quit because they missed a good deal? Not likely, they'll hang around for the reason they joined the forum in the first place and in future, maybe buy something in the classifieds. As for selling, no idea, I have nothing to sell so haven't thought about it.

Anyway, to close. I think what people need to think about is this: Do you want geekhack to be a marketplace where invisible, nameless people come to buy your stuff OR do you want it to be a community where you sell things to people you know (or are at least vaguely aware of their existence) while discussing things you enjoy?

[Pacifist]

I do believe in the wait. If theres some once in a lifetime sale, cool, you didn't get to even enter, but other people didn't either. Its not going to make or break the bank.

If they actual like the forum, they will make an account, post around, like GH after a month, and stay

[Belfong]

I think it is perfectly okay for newcomer to answer in Classifieds. If they are buying, it helps the community - after all, they have to pay first before the items is shipped, right? So there is no scamming here. I'd be wary if a newbie can become a seller so soon as the potential for the person running away is high.

Auction is a problem though because of shill bidding -  I don't think there is a solution here though.

[bueller]

I don't understand why some people are so against even a 30 day restriction on the classifieds. Are people really in that much of a hurry to buy stuff? People have no patience these days.

[MKULTRA]

I don't understand why some people are so against even a 30 day restriction on the classifieds. Are people really in that much of a hurry to buy stuff? People have no patience these days.

I want it to be 90 days.

[Pacifist]

I don't understand why some people are so against even a 30 day restriction on the classifieds. Are people really in that much of a hurry to buy stuff? People have no patience these days.

I want it to be 90 days.

The longer the better, but 90 days is a long time. unless you are returning productions. then 90 days is super short

[jdcarpe]

From the point of view of someone who's been here for about a year (can't remember exactly) but doesn't post all that often:

What is wrong with the 30 posts +1 month for access to the classifieds idea? I like geekhack, the people here seem nice and the things that get achieved in making stuff (I'm amazed by how quickly things go from concept to working prototype here) and the stuff that gets put through IC and GB is often incredible - these aspects of the forum were what made me join, rather than lurking. I don't really understand all the talk of "turning away new members because of too many restrictions". Surely, it would be better to have a forum made of members who stuck around for a month before even considering buying things from the classifieds than one that exists purely as a market place where they can pick up things that are hard to find on eBay?

Fair enough if there have been plenty of successful sales to low post count people, that's nice but envision a scenario where you need 30 posts/1 month to even see the classifieds: "Dear <<new poster>>, you have now hit 30 posts and 1 month membership of the forum meaning you now have access to the classifieds section of the forum, congrats and welcome to geekhack."
"Ooh, I wonder what they have for sale there."
*checks classifieds, realises they missed a sale of a poker 2 for $80*

Now, after <<new poster>> has been here a month and contributed 30 posts, are they going to rage-quit because they missed a good deal? Not likely, they'll hang around for the reason they joined the forum in the first place and in future, maybe buy something in the classifieds. As for selling, no idea, I have nothing to sell so haven't thought about it.

Anyway, to close. I think what people need to think about is this: Do you want geekhack to be a marketplace where invisible, nameless people come to buy your stuff OR do you want it to be a community where you sell things to people you know (or are at least vaguely aware of their existence) while discussing things you enjoy?

My thoughts exactly. Well spoken, sir.

[TheFlyingRaccoon]

Anyway, to close. I think what people need to think about is this: Do you want geekhack to be a marketplace where invisible, nameless people come to buy your stuff OR do you want it to be a community where you sell things to people you know (or are at least vaguely aware of their existence) while discussing things you enjoy?

Very well said. I don't think the 30 posts/1 month restriction will completely solve this, but I do think it will bring a greater sense of community.

[Pacifist]

Just found a loophole with the 30 day 30 post theory



http://geekhack.org/index.php?action=profile;u=23673

This person has been here since 2012, but hasn't really posted until now. Now they're just spamming the same copy pasted thing into the classifieds, most likely to get to 60

[dustinhxc]

Just found a loophole with the 30 day 30 post theory

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http://geekhack.org/index.php?action=profile;u=23673

This person has been here since 2012, but hasn't really posted until now. Now they're just spamming the same copy pasted thing into the classifieds, most likely to get to 60

Damn! At least my posts mean something. Here I thought they were being nice to my thread but they said it to everyone's!!!!!!  :confused:

[SpAmRaY]

Just found a loophole with the 30 day 30 post theory

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http://geekhack.org/index.php?action=profile;u=23673

This person has been here since 2012, but hasn't really posted until now. Now they're just spamming the same copy pasted thing into the classifieds, most likely to get to 60

Let em keep it up, classifieds posts don't count anyways hahaha :P

[dustinhxc]

Just found a loophole with the 30 day 30 post theory

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http://geekhack.org/index.php?action=profile;u=23673

This person has been here since 2012, but hasn't really posted until now. Now they're just spamming the same copy pasted thing into the classifieds, most likely to get to 60

Let em keep it up, classifieds posts don't count anyways hahaha :P

hahaha maybe he is really nice and wishing every single seller a good Sale. :P lmao

[Pacifist]

Just found a loophole with the 30 day 30 post theory

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http://geekhack.org/index.php?action=profile;u=23673

This person has been here since 2012, but hasn't really posted until now. Now they're just spamming the same copy pasted thing into the classifieds, most likely to get to 60

Let em keep it up, classifieds posts don't count anyways hahaha :P

Oh really? No wounder this guy is still at 9 posts

[SpAmRaY]

Just found a loophole with the 30 day 30 post theory

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http://geekhack.org/index.php?action=profile;u=23673

This person has been here since 2012, but hasn't really posted until now. Now they're just spamming the same copy pasted thing into the classifieds, most likely to get to 60

Let em keep it up, classifieds posts don't count anyways hahaha :P

hahaha maybe he is really nice and wishing every single seller a good Sale. :P lmao

It's possible but posting the same canned response?

[hashbaz]

That fool has been dealth with.

[Pacifist]

That fool has been dealth with.

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hashbaz is Mr. Burns?

[dustinhxc]

Just found a loophole with the 30 day 30 post theory

Show Image

http://geekhack.org/index.php?action=profile;u=23673

This person has been here since 2012, but hasn't really posted until now. Now they're just spamming the same copy pasted thing into the classifieds, most likely to get to 60

Let em keep it up, classifieds posts don't count anyways hahaha :P

hahaha maybe he is really nice and wishing every single seller a good Sale. :P lmao

It's possible but posting the same canned response?

Yeah that was forsure spam, couldve at least changed the message a tad,.  :confused:

[Belfong]

I am not long in GH. Started in Sept 2013. But I remember the first two months - Sept/Oct, there were  some really good discussion when I go to "Unread". These days, "Unread" are dominated mainly by classified posts. Is GH turning into craiglist? Ha ha .. I am not sure if it's fun to shift through all these classifieds. Is there an easier way to read the threads? What's the difference between Unread and Spy?

[Pacifist]

I am not long in GH. Started in Sept 2013. But I remember the first two months - Sept/Oct, there were  some really good discussion when I go to "Unread". These days, "Unread" are dominated mainly by classified posts. Is GH turning into craiglist? Ha ha .. I am not sure if it's fun to shift through all these classifieds. Is there an easier way to read the threads? What's the difference between Unread and Spy?

Spy updates automatically and updates everything. Unread shows everything you haven't looked at that has new posts in them. Most people use spy but I prefer unread

[Belfong]

Spy updates automatically and updates everything. Unread shows everything you haven't looked at that has new posts in them. Most people use spy but I prefer unread

Do you mean Spy is auto refresh? Let me go check...

EDIT: wow, Spy does auto refresh, which is pretty cool - meaning if you have a dual monitor set up you can see what's happening on the second screen. Although, one irritation is that when you click on an updated post, it goes to page number 1 instead of the last read page.

Edit: I am an idiot. Click on the icon on the first column of Spy and it brings you to last unread post.

[cadgers]

What about me guys? I've been lurking for almost 3 years. Someone sell me some posts.

[SpAmRaY]

What about me guys? I've been lurking for almost 3 years. Someone sell me some posts.

And that's part of the point. It's better for everyone to participate not just lurk in the shadows

[Pacifist]

Spy updates automatically and updates everything. Unread shows everything you haven't looked at that has new posts in them. Most people use spy but I prefer unread

Do you mean Spy is auto refresh? Let me go check...

EDIT: wow, Spy does auto refresh, which is pretty cool - meaning if you have a dual monitor set up you can see what's happening on the second screen. Although, one irritation is that when you click on an updated post, it goes to page number 1 instead of the last read page.

Edit: I am an idiot. Click on the icon on the first column of Spy and it brings you to last unread post.

took me a long ****ing time to realize that the icon on the left brought it to the last post. But i still like unread and only use spy when I finish my unreads

[rowdy]

What about me guys? I've been lurking for almost 3 years. Someone sell me some posts.

What happened to all those posts you're keeping inside?  Let some of them out from time to time

[Pacifist]

I seriously think we should make the classifieds invisible to any lurkers and anyone without the current 60 post minimum. They should show that they are interested in GeekHack and want to stay here and be a member before they touch any money. This way people just don't sign up to use the classifieds and just leave.

Currently people without 60 posts can comment in classifieds and can look at them, but not make their own thread. I don't see a point of letting them comment in classifieds if they can't even make their own thread because they can still buy and sell things through comment or PM on other people's threads. And thus letting them comment on classifieds just bypasses the 60 post rule in a sense.
In addition, they can still conduct trades via PM. The only way to guarantee that someone comes to GH for the community and forums instead of the classifieds is if they can't even see the classifieds. They can see them once they get their 60 and show that they are here for the community, but before that, there is no reason for them to be there.

Now to a newbie they might think they missed out on some awesome sale, but if they invest their time into GH and become part of the community, they will still be here when the next bigger sale pops up. This system just makes the community stronger. There are many more forums they can go on to see keyboard content, and if they need to buy something, they can join a group buy or buy from our vendors.

We shouldn't be here just for the classifieds. New people shouldn't come here for the classifieds. We are here as a community, and to ensure that more people join us and don't flake off is to make classifieds 100% off limits until they have proven that they are a member of the community.

[kmiller8]

I seriously think we should make the classifieds invisible to any lurkers and anyone without the current 60 post minimum. They should show that they are interested in GeekHack and want to stay here and be a member before they touch any money. This way people just don't sign up to use the classifieds and just leave.

Currently people without 60 posts can comment in classifieds and can look at them, but not make their own thread. I don't see a point of letting them comment in classifieds if they can't even make their own thread because they can still buy and sell things through comment or PM on other people's threads. And thus letting them comment on classifieds just bypasses the 60 post rule in a sense.
In addition, they can still conduct trades via PM. The only way to guarantee that someone comes to GH for the community and forums instead of the classifieds is if they can't even see the classifieds. They can see them once they get their 60 and show that they are here for the community, but before that, there is no reason for them to be there.

Now to a newbie they might think they missed out on some awesome sale, but if they invest their time into GH and become part of the community, they will still be here when the next bigger sale pops up. This system just makes the community stronger. There are many more forums they can go on to see keyboard content, and if they need to buy something, they can join a group buy or buy from our vendors.

We shouldn't be here just for the classifieds. New people shouldn't come here for the classifieds. We are here as a community, and to ensure that more people join us and don't flake off is to make classifieds 100% off limits until they have proven that they are a member of the community.

Kid, please, shut up. You've been here 3 months. There is nothing wrong with letting people see and post in classifieds. Just because some new guy is trying to get free **** doesn't mean that everyone under 60 posts is a douchebag scammer.

Just because someone comes here asking for stuff, doesn't mean everyone will come to their aid and they will be showered with a thousand clacks, if someone just want's a wasd set to make their new keyboard look unique, and someone is willing to give it to him, how does that even remotely concern you. If he takes the wasd and runs, who cares.

60 posts also doesn't help **** with if someone will really stick around and contribute the community. I could easily spam to 60 posts in 24 hours and make each one look somewhat legitimate, does that mean I'll stick with that account? **** no.

Look I understand you've been on the internet since the 5th grade, but that doesn't mean you know how to conduct yourself.

So I'm asking you, please, shut the **** up.

[Pacifist]

I seriously think we should make the classifieds invisible to any lurkers and anyone without the current 60 post minimum. They should show that they are interested in GeekHack and want to stay here and be a member before they touch any money. This way people just don't sign up to use the classifieds and just leave.

Currently people without 60 posts can comment in classifieds and can look at them, but not make their own thread. I don't see a point of letting them comment in classifieds if they can't even make their own thread because they can still buy and sell things through comment or PM on other people's threads. And thus letting them comment on classifieds just bypasses the 60 post rule in a sense.
In addition, they can still conduct trades via PM. The only way to guarantee that someone comes to GH for the community and forums instead of the classifieds is if they can't even see the classifieds. They can see them once they get their 60 and show that they are here for the community, but before that, there is no reason for them to be there.

Now to a newbie they might think they missed out on some awesome sale, but if they invest their time into GH and become part of the community, they will still be here when the next bigger sale pops up. This system just makes the community stronger. There are many more forums they can go on to see keyboard content, and if they need to buy something, they can join a group buy or buy from our vendors.

We shouldn't be here just for the classifieds. New people shouldn't come here for the classifieds. We are here as a community, and to ensure that more people join us and don't flake off is to make classifieds 100% off limits until they have proven that they are a member of the community.

Kid, please, shut up. You've been here 3 months. There is nothing wrong with letting people see and post in classifieds. Just because some new guy is trying to get free **** doesn't mean that everyone under 60 posts is a douchebag scammer.

Just because someone comes here asking for stuff, doesn't mean everyone will come to their aid and they will be showered with a thousand clacks, if someone just want's a wasd set to make their new keyboard look unique, and someone is willing to give it to him, how does that even remotely concern you. If he takes the wasd and runs, who cares.

60 posts also doesn't help **** with if someone will really stick around and contribute the community. I could easily spam to 60 posts in 24 hours and make each one look somewhat legitimate, does that mean I'll stick with that account? **** no.

Look I understand you've been on the internet since the 5th grade, but that doesn't mean you know how to conduct yourself.

So I'm asking you, please, shut the **** up.

nice use of language

[kmiller8]

nice use of language

So I'm asking you, please, shut the **** up.

[Pacifist]

Kid, please, shut up. You've been here 3 months. There is nothing wrong with letting people see and post in classifieds. Just because some new guy is trying to get free **** doesn't mean that everyone under 60 posts is a douchebag scammer.

This applies to all parts of classifieds. From what I've read on this thread, people have come just for classifieds.
Hell, we even have a bad rap from reddit and KBDmania for our outrageous clack prices. While the clack prices have been made primarily by deep people in the community, people who don't understand the context blow it out of hand.

Just because someone comes here asking for stuff, doesn't mean everyone will come to their aid and they will be showered with a thousand clacks, if someone just want's a wasd set to make their new keyboard look unique, and someone is willing to give it to him, how does that even remotely concern you. If he takes the wasd and runs, who cares.

People can put their money wherever they want. But giving it to bad causes just further supports those bad people from doing what they do.
For example, after disasters, there are a plethora of people scamming donations to the people in trouble.
It may not directly affect me, but its pretty immoral and continuing to allow it just breeds a further bad rap for GH

60 posts also doesn't help **** with if someone will really stick around and contribute the community. I could easily spam to 60 posts in 24 hours and make each one look somewhat legitimate, does that mean I'll stick with that account? **** no.

Which is also why I support the 30 day 30 post requirement, it solves it more. We can't 100% prevent abuse, but we can try to discourage it as much as we can.

[kmiller8]

This applies to all parts of classifieds. From what I've read on this thread, people have come just for classifieds.
Hell, we even have a bad rap from reddit and KBDmania for our outrageous clack prices. While the clack prices have been made primarily by deep people in the community, people who don't understand the context blow it out of hand.

yes, because people with 4 posts are the ones driving clack prices, certainly not the people who've been here the longest looking for specific items. Clack prices have absolutely nothing with you wanting to hate new people. Which is ironic since you've been here 3 months.

People can put their money wherever they want. But giving it to bad causes just further supports those bad people from doing what they do.
For example, after disasters, there are a plethora of people scamming donations to the people in trouble.
It may not directly affect me, but its pretty immoral and continuing to allow it just breeds a further bad rap for GH

Yes I'm sure, those *******s on geekhack, giving out stuff for free, everyone go make new accounts and ask for wasd sets, that'll show them! If a $6 wasd set really means that much to someone, they probably shouldn't be giving it out for free.

Which is also why I support the 30 day 30 post requirement, it solves it more. We can't 100% prevent abuse, but we can try to discourage it as much as we can.

Sitting on something for a month before trying to sell it isn't exactly discouraging, maybe we should only let certain people sell things after they've been here a minimum 18 months. zzz

Seriously dude, I don't know what kind of white-knight powertrip you're on, but just let it go. GH has been fine the last 4 years without having someone yell at people every 20 minutes.

[Pacifist]

yes, because people with 4 posts are the ones driving clack prices, certainly not the people who've been here the longest looking for specific items. Clack prices have absolutely nothing with you wanting to hate new people. Which is ironic since you've been here 3 months.

Clack prices was just an example. But there is a negative connotation given to GH over a variety of issues.

Yes I'm sure, those *******s on geekhack, giving out stuff for free, everyone go make new accounts and ask for wasd sets, that'll show them! If a $6 wasd set really means that much to someone, they probably shouldn't be giving it out for free.

Homeless people ask for pennies at a time, but it adds up.

Which is also why I support the 30 day 30 post requirement, it solves it more. We can't 100% prevent abuse, but we can try to discourage it as much as we can.

Sitting on something for a month before trying to sell it isn't exactly discouraging, maybe we should only let certain people sell things after they've been here a minimum 18 months. zzz

What. The whole point of the current 60 posts thing is to discourage abuse of classifieds. If they're discouraged about selling their stuff, then they shouldn't be here. The purpose of GH is not to sell stuff. Its to build a community. They can go to reddit and sell their stuff there on mechmarket, I'm sure there is a huge sense of community in that subreddit.

Seriously dude, I don't know what kind of white-knight powertrip you're on, but just let it go. GH has been fine the last 4 years without having someone yell at people every 20 minutes.

I don't think GH is fine. This thread is proof. bueller wouldn't post about the 60 post rule being pointless if its being doing perfectly fine.

[MKULTRA]

Of course there's gonna be a negative connatation for GH on reddit I mean do you see the bull**** ripster spews over there on a daily?  As far as kbdmania goes, idc what they think of us, where do they get most of there keysets anyways?  Oh yeah GH group buys.

[Tym]

Just a suggestion, I am a new member over on 405th.com (forum relating to spartan (Halo) Armour creations) and I joined for the information, and the pictures and the community of people who had similar interests to myself. What I have discovered is that after you hit 100 posts the classified section becomes viewable.

I didn't even know there was a classified section, it was a nice surprise. I can now buy cool things on that forum which I wasn't aware of before. It works out quite well.

Again it all depends if it was Ceteris Paribus then it would work. But this is a different site so things will always ahve variables.

[MKULTRA]

Just a suggestion, I am a new member over on 405th.com (forum relating to spartan (Halo) Armour creations) and I joined for the information, and the pictures and the community of people who had similar interests to myself. What I have discovered is that after you hit 100 posts the classified section becomes viewable.

I didn't even know there was a classified section, it was a nice surprise. I can now buy cool things on that forum which I wasn't aware of before. It works out quite well.

Again it all depends if it was Ceteris Paribus then it would work. But this is a different site so things will always ahve variables.

I like that honestly.  A lot of people think GH has become just a classifieds site.  I would rather have one member who is a contributing part of the community than 100 members who are just here for classifieds.

[SpAmRaY]

I've been thinking about this.

DT doesn't seem to have any problems with the classifieds like we do.

I don't even have 60 posts there and mainly only go there for the classifieds and of course the wiki and the occasional interesting project.

Just a random thought...

[jwaz]

They also have way less users 

[SpAmRaY]

They also have way less users 

this is true....

[MKULTRA]

Way different atmosphere over there.

[The_Beast]

In my opinion Geekhack fine how it is. Or at least make vendor forums visible to people with under _______ amount of posts (if this whole visibility thing goes into effect).

I've never had a problem with people with 0 post when I'm selling something (often times, people just want to buy something, it kinda screws vendors by not making vendor forums visible). When buying, I'm a bit more cautious, but if I get screwed, I have no one to blame by myself and them. Not GH or 60 post or 3 months of membership....

[rowdy]

Seller can always place conditions on sales, like minimum 100 posts or member for at least a month.

And is it in the rules (or should it be) that seller can reject bids/offers from members?

[berserkfan]

Just a suggestion, I am a new member over on 405th.com (forum relating to spartan (Halo) Armour creations) and I joined for the information, and the pictures and the community of people who had similar interests to myself. What I have discovered is that after you hit 100 posts the classified section becomes viewable.

I didn't even know there was a classified section, it was a nice surprise. I can now buy cool things on that forum which I wasn't aware of before. It works out quite well.

Again it all depends if it was Ceteris Paribus then it would work. But this is a different site so things will always ahve variables.

I like that honestly.  A lot of people think GH has become just a classifieds site.  I would rather have one member who is a contributing part of the community than 100 members who are just here for classifieds.

We need people to buy and sell things to have a lively market. Only then can we get the physical goods we want to mod or the parts needed. Besides, there is a limit to how many cool mods I can read about, especially because most people including me are actually not good at modding anything so we can only stare open-mouthed at somebody's cool or amazing mod.

[SpAmRaY]

http://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=54667.0 <- CLASSIFIEDS IS CHANGING, ITS HAPPENING!!