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Nice! I'm a sucker for the gorgeous TU1 blue. I would like to see a more robust 40s kit tho. Something more like the WoB Extension kit that novelkeys ran a few months ago.
Hi,
Is the GMK 3K color = White?
Kind of, but I would say it's definitely more on the grayish/off white side, than "clear white"Hi,
Is the GMK 3K color = White?
Change the text on the alphas to a gray color and you might get me.. not really feeling the high contrast alphas and low contrast mods+1
Don’t do the split kits thing.
It could be a $100 Base kit without Numpad/ISO keys.. With them more like $130
1800 boards are getting more and more popular, there def is a market for numpads.
Vendors:Dn
Running: TBA
US: SpaceCables (https://spaceholdings.net/)
CA: AuraMech (https://auramech.com/)
EU: Proto[Typist] (https://prototypist.net/)
SEA: iLumKB (https://ilumkb.com/)
AU: SwitchKeys (https://www.switchkeys.com.au/)
- Remove Mod colored 1u R4 Pipe key from Base Kit
- Remove Mod colored 1u R4 Pipe key from Base Kit
You mean R1?
Could you add two 1.5u Super and an extra 1u Alt key to the base for tsangan compat for users the prefer GUI next to the spacebar? Similar to what GMK Wavez did.Show Image(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20200812/cd70821bbe2fd0223fb741f496d919d4.png)
Digging that colour scheme but I would really prefer the more modern GMK modifier legends without the text.
Could not agree more.Digging that colour scheme but I would really prefer the more modern GMK modifier legends without the text.
Text + Icon was an asthetic choice that was chosen to give the set a more classic look. :) It's also one of my favorite mod choices, I love it on R1 Honeywell!
I feel like these colors could easily be made with PBT and wonder why everytime people take PBTable colors and cripple them with ABS. I made the mistake of buying a few GMK keysets that I’m afraid to type of because of how disgusting shine looks. Although it appears to me the trend is to buy a keyset and type on it exactly long enough to not develop noticeable shine then sell it on mechmarket for 100$ more than what you paid. So the whole idea of PBT and being cheaper, lasting longer, really I guess doesn’t make sense if you see keyboards as a profitable hobby.
Nice combo :thumb:
3k slightly reminds me of Cherry "Hellgrau" and very similar to the Alcatel Mmk caps, but just with N9ish as legends.
gonna look super nice irl! :)
little potato shot for ref
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Nice combo :thumb:
3k slightly reminds me of Cherry "Hellgrau" and very similar to the Alcatel Mmk caps, but just with N9ish as legends.
gonna look super nice irl! :)
little potato shot for ref
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Is this my opportunity to get a 6u space bar compatible with my Alcatel MMK set?
Nice combo :thumb:
3k slightly reminds me of Cherry "Hellgrau" and very similar to the Alcatel Mmk caps, but just with N9ish as legends.
gonna look super nice irl! :)
little potato shot for ref
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Is this my opportunity to get a 6u space bar compatible with my Alcatel MMK set?
Are the Alcatel MMK caps 3K, because if so then yes!
I think you have too many ISO Enters in the base kit. Consider offloading some of them to the additional kit or dropping them altogether. On a related note, I don't think ISO-UK support in base is a must as those keys are only used by about 3% of all users.
I think from a seller's perspective the logic is that not including the ISO keys would then lose 3% sales, but including them would not impact non-ISO buyers' decision as much
Consider removing the mod-colored R1 1u \| from the base kit. This key is not commonly used. The prevalent split backspace configuration is:Show Image(https://i.imgur.com/J45RnFg.png?1)
The minority of users who like putting tilde first still have the option of doing so, just with alpha-colored keys.
I think you have too many ISO Enters in the base kit. Consider offloading some of them to the additional kit or dropping them altogether. On a related note, I don't think ISO-UK support in base is a must as those keys are only used by about 3% of all users.
As for the additional kit, you can drop the 1.75u space. Not only is that key very uncommon even among 40% boards (it isn't used on anything >40%), but there is only a single board (Vortex Core) that uses one 1.75u; the remaining 2–3 boards (JD40/45, Prime_L) all need two. Plus, the kit doesn't have the keys required to cover those boards anyway.
Speaking of 40% support, from what I've seen, the consensus among 40s and ortho users seems to be that offering just 2–3 keys is not useful at all. “Designers should either offer proper support or not bother at all.” Price isn't as much of an issue; proper compatibility is. As it stands, I don't think any 40s or ortho boards could be correctly covered with the minimal support in this kit (other than Romeo and Equinox, which are designed to be base-kit–compatible anyway).
Currently reworking the kits to provide more coverage for everyone
Changes so far:
- Removed R1 1u Mod Colored Pipe Key
- Added R3 1.25u Tab key & Second B to Base Kit
- Reworked Additional kit to provide way more support for 40s/ortho users
- Added 2x 1.5u Super keys & extra 1u Alt key to the additional kit for tsangan users who would prefer to use these keys
- Created Spacebar kit that offers a ton of support for split space boards
Users mentioned that they are interested in adding accent colored spacebars to the set, I'm a bit hesitant since there are 3 accent colors in the base kit. If I add accent colored bars to the spacebar kit that would add a minimum of 6 extra spacebars to the kit (only offering support for 6.25u & 7u). I don't really want to make the spacebar kit that big, but if there is enough interest we can figure something out.
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Currently reworking the kits to provide more coverage for everyone
Changes so far:
- Removed R1 1u Mod Colored Pipe Key
- Added R3 1.25u Tab key & Second B to Base Kit
- Reworked Additional kit to provide way more support for 40s/ortho users
- Added 2x 1.5u Super keys & extra 1u Alt key to the additional kit for tsangan users who would prefer to use these keys
- Created Spacebar kit that offers a ton of support for split space boards
Users mentioned that they are interested in adding accent colored spacebars to the set, I'm a bit hesitant since there are 3 accent colors in the base kit. If I add accent colored bars to the spacebar kit that would add a minimum of 6 extra spacebars to the kit (only offering support for 6.25u & 7u). I don't really want to make the spacebar kit that big, but if there is enough interest we can figure something out.
Base Kit
Support standard layouts, UK ISO Support, Full Size, TKLs, 75s, 65s, WKL boards, minimal 40s support and more!Show Image(https://i.imgur.com/qjFvDjN.jpg)
Additional Kit
F13, more 40s Support, alternate Tsangan support.Show Image(https://i.imgur.com/OZlqAUV.jpg)
Spacebar Kit
Split bars, 6u bars, 3u barsShow Image(https://i.imgur.com/sGUeh5K.jpg)
Some remarks and thoughts on the new kits:Base Kit
Support standard layouts, UK ISO Support, Full Size, TKLs, 75s, 65s, WKL boards, minimal 40s support and more!Show Image(https://i.imgur.com/qjFvDjN.jpg)
• Looks like there is a duplicate R1 End key. One of them can be removed :)
• The 1u numpad 0 key should be alpha-colored instead of mod-colored.
• The kit is missing a R4 1.25u Fn key, which is used on a lot of layouts going from staggered 40% all the way up to full-size. I would suggest replacing the Menu key with Fn, as most sets do. Menu has limited uses, primarily for “standard”/non-programmable TKL and full-size layouts with 6.25u bottom rows. But in these cases, Fn is a viable replacement, whereas Menu isn't really a viable replacement for Fn in other cases. Fn is also more popular overall, so it would be the preferred legend choice here.
• There is a small discrepancy with the legends of the lock keys — Scroll uses a single-line legend, whereas the other two do it the OG way with two lines. However, since a lot of the legends in this set aren't OG-Cherry–style, I would recommend changing Num↲Lock to Num and stepped Caps↲Lock to Caps for a cleaner, more consistent look.
• On the topic of 40s support: adding a R3 1.25u Tab to the base kit does not give you minimal 40s support. Not really, anyway. Physical coverage is one thing, but you'd be hard-pressed to find a 40s user that would be looking forward to covering their board with End or PgDn for Esc, Control or Caps Lock for Enter, and Shifts for spaces. As mentioned previously, 40% users are much more interested in getting proper compatibility than any compatibility, especially if they are already paying for a premium product. This is why the most of them end up getting the 40s kit anyway.
With that in mind, I think the R3 1.25u Tab on its own does not go very far in the way of giving 40s support to those that need it. And to others, it's a dead key. If you'd like to offer a more useful minimal 40s compat in base, consider the following (in addition to the Tab):This is the bare minimum for what most would consider usable 40% compatibility. But even then, a few important keys would still be missing, e.g. Lower/Raise, and you'd have to resort to using End/PgDn or Super for those. So in summary, I suggest just moving the R3 1.25u Tab into the Additional kit to make it easier for everyone.
- Change R2 PgUp to Out — this lets the R2 PgUp key double as a 1u Esc key for 40s and orthos.
- Change R3 PgDn to Read or Data — this lets the R3 PgDn key double as a 1u Esc, Tab, Enter, Ctrl, ... key for orthos.
- Add a generic R4 1u key, e.g. Code — this could work as 1u Enter or Shift for orthos (and even some oddball 60% layouts).
- Add R3 1.75u Enter — the most popular Enter size on staggered 40% boards.
Additional Kit
F13, more 40s Support, alternate Tsangan support.Show Image(https://i.imgur.com/OZlqAUV.jpg)
• Two boards use R3 1.5u Enter: Pearl and Minivan (and its derivatives). In addition to this key, Pearl also requires a R3 1.5u Tab/Fn, and Minivan requires R2 1.75u Backspace (included) and R4 1.75u Lock. So, as it stands, the support for these boards is incomplete, and consequently, including just R3 1.5u Enter and R2 1.75u Backspace on their own doesn't do much good. You have two options here:I'd like to add that R4 1.75u Lock can also be used to cover: JD40/JD45/Prime_L, as a second 1.75u spacekey (more on that below); Dimple, as a second 1.75u Shift; and Filco Minila, when combined with a 3u space from the spacebar kit. This, together with the popularity of the two aforementioned boards in the 40% space, makes option 1 the better choice imo.
- add the missing keys (R3 1.5u Fn, R4 1.75u Lock) and have full support for these boards and their derivatives; or
- remove R3 1.5u Enter and R2 1.75u Backspace as they are otherwise not useful.
• I think this kit needs more in the way of ortho support. At least a R3 Enter, R3 Esc and R2 Tab (all 1u).
The thing is that the Planck/Preonic coverage is inconsistent at the moment: the kit has a R4 Enter, which is used on the default OLKB layout, but it doesn't have R2 Tab, R3 Esc which are also part of that layout. On the other hand, a lot of people prefer to use the more familiar R2 Esc and R3 Tab, but then R3 Enter is missing. It'd be nice to have all of these options.
Ideally there would also be a second R4 1u Ctrl and second R4 1u Shift. A generic key like Code could come in handy for these.
• The 1.5u Shift seems a bit of an odd inclusion for such a small kit. This would be useful only for Evolv (which isn't out yet) and UT47.2.Spacebar Kit
Split bars, 6u bars, 3u barsShow Image(https://i.imgur.com/sGUeh5K.jpg)
• If you aren't going to include the R4 1.75u Lock key in Additional, then the 1.75u space can be removed from here as it's pretty much useless — the only keyboard that uses a single 1.75u space is Vortex Core. No keyboards larger than 40% use this spacebar size.
Thanks for the feedback, I've taken it into consideration and made some changes per your reccomendations for the base kit, after reading your feedback about the additional kit I understand that the kit as it was would not support enough 40s boards and adding more keys to the base kit would rise base cost price. After some discussion with the vendor I think the best option is to unfortunately not run the kit due to risk of low sales and stuggles from a new keyset vendor. I have also adjusted the correct term for the r3 1.25u tab and called it minimal support for 50% boards.
Added a row numbers along with unit numbers for any caps that are larger than 1u. Everything is on track for the november GB date! First deskmat samples arrived and were too saturated, getting new samples made to adjust the colors.Could you label the 0.5u keys as well, just so I can be sure?
Pls consider stepped “caps lock” vs stepped “caps”
It looks better to me, OG keysets use it, and tab isn’t single lined. Have you seen what stepped “caps” looks like on a board? It just looks off to me, like it’s missing something haha. It feels like “innovation” for the sake of innovation, without actually having any benefit
It looks better to me, OG keysets use it, and tab isn’t single lined. Have you seen what stepped “caps” looks like on a board? It just looks off to me, like it’s missing something haha. It feels like “innovation” for the sake of innovation, without actually having any benefit
Thanks for the explanation; noted.
I also wanna give my own subjective opinion:
I think that single-line Caps looks a lot better since otherwise the left side mods look too dense/text-heavy compared to the right side. And Tab actually exacerbates that problem.
OG sets also use some totally scuffed legends (just look at almost any intl OG set), so that's not really an argument — just because it's OG doesn't mean that it's good.
I agree with keeping everything OG-style if that's the look you're going for (e.g. GMK Hype Abused); but if that's not the case (like here), I don't think there's really any point.
Looks absolutely beautiful. Sadly, with no NorDe, not buying. ANSI doesn't work for me. :(
Received quotes for the two kits from GMK last week. I wasn't too happy with the pricing so I reworked the kits and brought back the additional kit with corrected compatibility! Here are the kits as they stand right now. I am waiting to hear full feedback from Konstantin and DepletedVespine you guys here in the thread before I give it a full send for renders and to GMK for the second quote. I feel more confident with the kits now that we can achieve a really good base kit price along with good prices for all the other kits! The only thing I wish I could have provided was accents to the Additional kit for 40s users, unfortunately do to how many accents there are I will not be providing support for any specific board. It's either everyone gets accents or nobody at all. I do not have any favoritism to any 40s boards. Here are the KLE renders I have made:
Base KitShow Image(https://i.imgur.com/G5OjkwS.png)
Additional KitShow Image(https://i.imgur.com/oyKP9XU.png)
Spacebars KitShow Image(https://i.imgur.com/q1dQl6G.png)
Accent KitShow Image(https://i.imgur.com/gRHBbba.png)
Received quotes for the two kits from GMK last week. I wasn't too happy with the pricing so I reworked the kits and brought back the additional kit with corrected compatibility! Here are the kits as they stand right now. I am waiting to hear full feedback from Konstantin and DepletedVespine you guys here in the thread before I give it a full send for renders and to GMK for the second quote. I feel more confident with the kits now that we can achieve a really good base kit price along with good prices for all the other kits! The only thing I wish I could have provided was accents to the Additional kit for 40s users, unfortunately do to how many accents there are I will not be providing support for any specific board. It's either everyone gets accents or nobody at all. I do not have any favoritism to any 40s boards. Here are the KLE renders I have made:
Base KitShow Image(https://i.imgur.com/G5OjkwS.png)
Additional KitShow Image(https://i.imgur.com/oyKP9XU.png)
Spacebars KitShow Image(https://i.imgur.com/q1dQl6G.png)
Accent KitShow Image(https://i.imgur.com/gRHBbba.png)
I love everything about this update. Removal of icon mods makes the set much cleaner!
And thanks for keeping AltGr :)
Hi,
Is the GMK 3K color = White?
Hi,
Is the GMK 3K color = White?
3k is quite white, it might be a very very light grey.Show Image(https://i.imgur.com/cMhcjuI.jpg)
Hi,
Is the GMK 3K color = White?
3k is quite white, it might be a very very light grey.Show Image(https://i.imgur.com/cMhcjuI.jpg)
Is light grey, with less yellow than L9.
Please consider adding 1.25u Fn key to the base kit as most of TKL and full size keyboards use this key. Your set looks so good, I don't want to pass on this because of no 1.25u Fn key :(
Thank you, definitely a buy :thumb:Please consider adding 1.25u Fn key to the base kit as most of TKL and full size keyboards use this key. Your set looks so good, I don't want to pass on this because of no 1.25u Fn key :(
1.25u menu is going to be changed to fn.
No more 1.5u right shift?
Hi, I know this is up to your decision but I recommend having another EU vendor like Oblotzky or Mykeyboard since they use Euro. Prototypist uses Gbp which need converting to Euro, resulting in an increase in price since banks will take a conversion fee. I look at their website but don't see the option of converting Gbp to Euro. Also, this is entirely subjective, Prototypist does not have paypal as payment method, I will have to pay directly directly with my credit card which is not very secure, Google pay for some reasons does not accept my BNP or Orange card and I don't use Iphone :( . I really want this set and I hope you consider adding a second EU vendor.
Hi, I know this is up to your decision but I recommend having another EU vendor like Oblotzky or Mykeyboard since they use Euro. Prototypist uses Gbp which need converting to Euro, resulting in an increase in price since banks will take a conversion fee. I look at their website but don't see the option of converting Gbp to Euro. Also, this is entirely subjective, Prototypist does not have paypal as payment method, I will have to pay directly directly with my credit card which is not very secure, Google pay for some reasons does not accept my BNP or Orange card and I don't use Iphone :( . I really want this set and I hope you consider adding a second EU vendor.
Let me add another reason: there is currently no trade agreement between EU and UK in 2021. This means that VAT, duty, and taxes could be added again, which is an absolute dealbreaker for any current GB using a UK based vendor.
Hi, I know this is up to your decision but I recommend having another EU vendor like Oblotzky or Mykeyboard since they use Euro. Prototypist uses Gbp which need converting to Euro, resulting in an increase in price since banks will take a conversion fee. I look at their website but don't see the option of converting Gbp to Euro. Also, this is entirely subjective, Prototypist does not have paypal as payment method, I will have to pay directly directly with my credit card which is not very secure, Google pay for some reasons does not accept my BNP or Orange card and I don't use Iphone :( . I really want this set and I hope you consider adding a second EU vendor.Let me add another reason: there is currently no trade agreement between EU and UK in 2021. This means that VAT, duty, and taxes could be added again, which is an absolute dealbreaker for any current GB using a UK based vendor.
You guys are not the first ones to come to me with this worry, it is definitely something that I was not aware of until recently. I am currently going to discuss this and talk to a few people and work on getting something going with another EU vendor so that you guys will not be hit with such hard fees. I apologize for the issue and hope to resolve it before the GB starts.
No more 1.5u right shift?
As far as I'm aware, only 1 board will be able to use it, the Evolv. While I love Nathan for all the work he's done for me unfortunately it was not justified to keep it in the set. Sorry.
Group Buy starts November 4th!
Here's the pricing for the kits too!
Keyset Pricing
NA [Space] (USD)
Base Kit- $120.00
Accents Kit- $40.00
Additional Kit - $35.00
Spacebars Kit- $25.00
CA [AuraMech] (USD)
Base Kit- $120.00
Accents Kit- $40.00
Additional Kit - $35.00
Spacebars Kit- $25.00
EU [Prototypist] (GBP)
Base Kit- £110.00 inc VAT
Accents Kit- £37.00 inc VAT
Additional Kit - £32.00 inc VAT
Spacebars Kit- £23.00 inc VAT
ASIA [iLumKB] (SGD)
Base Kit- $175.00
Accents Kit- $58.00
Additional Kit - $51.00
Spacebars Kit- $36.00
Oceania [SwitchKeys] (AUD)
Base Kit- $185.00
Accents Kit- $63.00
Additional Kit - $55.00
Spacebars Kit- $35.00
Is GMK 3k similar to RAMA Soya color? Like a cream/off-white or a gray?
Pricing for MyKeyboard.eu?
It was added afterwards after some feedback from others.Pricing for MyKeyboard.eu?
As much as I like to have mykeyboard.eu as a proper EU vendor, I don't see it listed in runner post.
It was added afterwards after some feedback from others.Pricing for MyKeyboard.eu?
As much as I like to have mykeyboard.eu as a proper EU vendor, I don't see it listed in runner post.