[IC] GMK White-on-Black Katakana | Supporting BLM | January 14th, 2021

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Charity Details
I am passionate in providing support to relevant issues that are happening in the world. Therefore, all designer profits from the first month of sales will be donated to the Black Lives Matter Support Fund through blacklivesmatter.com. Social injustice in America has recently become a larger issue than ever before, and I believe that contributions from the sale of this set will help the campaign immensely. If you just came here and stumbled upon all the drama, please read my response.

Pre-Order Details
Drop
January 14th, 2021 -

When will the pre-order end?
Drop recently changed how GMK group buys are managed. Instead of the group buy lasting only a month, Drop will keep the product running in perpetuity on a pre-order -> in-stock loop. You may have already noticed this with Drop's GMK White-on-Black. This system is a win-win for everyone involved because it allows people to join the buy even if they are a few months late in discovering it.

Why just a base kit?
This is a WoB set. There are many extension kits already available. I don't plan on adding any other kits unless there is something many people want; in that case, please do tell me in the IC form. Having just one kit also helps in bringing the production cost down.

Legends?
This set will use the new community-made Katakana/Kanji monolegends (Also featured on GMK Mecha-01).

Interest Check Form rev. 2
https://forms.gle/4yEdeY7a6JCFJWZr8

Discord server (for updates, etc.)
https://discord.gg/aSsUEqc

IC on Drop
https://drop.com/talk/63508/ic-gmk-white-on-black-katakana-supporting-the-blm-initiative-drop-2021

Signature banner (support the set!)

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Special thanks to
Oblotzky for the renders and help
kidviddy for JIS and layout help

[treeleaf64]

Drop not good

[BapoDonu]

I like but what about other vendors ?

[HoodrowThrillson]

I like but what about other vendors ?

No.

[ramensan]

Please provide more compatibility by adding more keys to base kit if it is just one kit. For example ergo layout like alice support

[BapoDonu]

I like but what about other vendors ?

No.

sorry forgot no one cares about eu

[finalarcadia]

drop good for me, will prob get a couple

[pnw-g]

love wob, up to my eyeballs in wob, will consider more wob. but, prob just gonna donate to BLM. really happy to see the set supporting a critical cause. glwic. BLM

[dandruff]

DROP redemption arc 2021. I believe.

[Pach]

DROP redemption arc 2021. I believe.

[August]

[illusixn]

[konstantin]

Please consider including R3 PgUp, R4 PgDn in the kit. This is a popular option for 75% and especially 65% keyboards. To put things into perspective, they're slightly more common than 1.5u OS keys which you currently have in the kit. With 65% being the most popular layout in the community currently (and growing), I think that these keys are definitely worth having.

The following keys can be dropped from the kit as they serve no practical purpose:

• second R4 1u ^ (Ctrl);
• R4 1u ム.

Finally, if you're planning on having second B, 2.75c and 2.25c spacekeys in the kit, please also include a 2c space. (2.25–1) and (2–1.25) setups are about equally as common when it comes to Alice and similar boards.

Edit: One more thing: since you're adding a R1 half-width/full-width toggle key, I would drop one of the two Esc keys. Pick one of the two designs and just stick with that.

Edit2: One very last thing: would you consider using the following nav icons (as seen in GMK Mecha-01) rather than the stock/old ones? I think that they look a lot better.

[pentawater]

Imagine saying you support BLM while putting white on top of black

[Rafa_n]

drop bad, no eu proxy

[CoinStorm]

stop vending through drop.

[Kokaloo]

I really like that recently drop has made the move to have things in stock, hopefully eradicating limited sets and obnoxious aftermarket prices! The group buy system has been outdated for a while now, seeing as how much money is being thrown around. Seems like a great thing all around for people who want to buy stuff to actually use!

[ZavaZ86]

Really nice and all with everything but picking Drop as the only vendor and the whole ''charity'' thing just makes the set go from an insta buy to a big thonk.

[elongatedmusk]

Big yes for the set. Big no for the vendor.
I mean, Drop is amazing for their relation with GMK yes, but I just can't stand their delivery service for non-US countries.
Heard so many issues about it and seems like one of them being mine.

[beadlock]

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Charity Details
I am passionate in providing support to relevant issues that are happening in the world. Therefore, all designer profits from the first month of sales will be donated to the Black Lives Matter Support Fund through blacklivesmatter.com. Social injustice in America has recently become a larger issue than ever before, and I believe that contributions from the sale of this set will help the campaign immensely.

Hold up, so let me get this straight. So you clearly state that you would like to support Black Lives Matters, via a set that has Katakana (MiTo's Katakana because you were told months ago that you can't use Masterpiece Katakana molds), an Asian language? And yet the only thing of value that would relate to BLACK culture, is the color of the damn keycaps?

You seriously need to re-evaluate what you are trying to accomplish with this. I'm all for supporting the movement of BLM but this is a sad take of 100% cultural appropriation.

Edit: Way to go, you made it even worse to choose only ONE month of sales instead of a continual portion of the proceeds to be donated.

HARD PASS

[Auslander]

Just no...lmao   )

[pentawater]

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Charity Details
I am passionate in providing support to relevant issues that are happening in the world. Therefore, all designer profits from the first month of sales will be donated to the Black Lives Matter Support Fund through blacklivesmatter.com. Social injustice in America has recently become a larger issue than ever before, and I believe that contributions from the sale of this set will help the campaign immensely.

Hold up, so let me get this straight. So you clearly state that you would like to support Black Lives Matters, via a set that has Katakana (MiTo's Katakana because you were told months ago that you can't use Masterpiece Katakana molds), an Asian language? And yet the only thing of value that would relate to BLACK culture, is the color of the damn keycaps?

You seriously need to re-evaluate what you are trying to accomplish with this. I'm all for supporting the movement of BLM but this is a sad take of 100% cultural appropriation.

Edit: Way to go, you made it even worse to choose only ONE month of sales instead of a continual portion of the proceeds to be donated.

HARD PASS

I would like to propose that the group buy should start in February 2021, so that the one month of sales going to Black Lives Matters would line up with Black History month.
Hear me out, you can milk the blm thing even more with the group buy starting in black history month.
Also, there's only 28 days in February so you can keep two more days of profits for yourself

[Merked]

So only the first month sale profits would be donated to BLM, but this set will be on a perpetual pre order-> in stock item loop through Drop...huh I guess BLM isn’t a relevant issue anymore after the first month of sales lol /s

Edit: This just seems like a blatant PR move to associate the set to a charitable cause to boost first month sales, in hopes of boosting future sales of the set as it inevitably becomes more widespread. I mean, there isn’t even any sort of design inspiration to the BLM cause on this set. At least The EPBT Ivory set you designed made sense with the elephants, but this set has nothing to do with BLM; otherwise good set maybe might still buy with my Drop rewards.

[Arithmetics]

anyone complaining about someone donating money needs to shut the hell up

[OtherAndrew]

what

[harlekein]

drop bad, no eu proxy

[beadlock]

anyone complaining about someone donating money needs to shut the hell up

So you feel that it is ok to milk Asian/weeb culture because it sells very well in this community, disassociate it, and tack on donations to a charity/movement unrelated to the theme to get brownie points?

This community blows my mind constantly for all the stupidity that it brings up.

[NotYeMK]

This set just feels so out of touch with every part of it and doesn't make any sense.

[firewrath9]

got my popcorn ready.

[directheatedtriode]

Hold up, there is an exclusivity on the Katakana molds that were created for Masterpiece? 

[IOVERCALLHISTIOCYTES]

Hold up, there is an exclusivity on the Katakana molds that were created for Masterpiece? 

Didn’t a few businesses/entities/designers or whatever put some money in up front for the cost of the molds, so the mold cost wasn’t transmitted to the cost of the kits in group buy? And that’s how masterpiece was 130$ base with enough new molds I thought it woulda been 160? I presume then the molds would be theirs to run back with different colorways.

[treeleaf64]

anyone complaining about someone donating money needs to shut the hell up

So you feel that it is ok to milk Asian/weeb culture because it sells very well in this community, disassociate it, and tack on donations to a charity/movement unrelated to the theme to get brownie points?

This community blows my mind constantly for all the stupidity that it brings up.

Not good I agree. It doesn't make sense.

This is not a treeleaf approved thread

[directheatedtriode]

Hold up, there is an exclusivity on the Katakana molds that were created for Masterpiece? 

Didn’t a few businesses/entities/designers or whatever put some money in up front for the cost of the molds, so the mold cost wasn’t transmitted to the cost of the kits in group buy? And that’s how masterpiece was 130$ base with enough new molds I thought it woulda been 160? I presume then the molds would be theirs to run back with different colorways.

I don't recall this from the IC but I didn't pay the utmost attention to it because it was in a color I wasn't interested in. I thought the higher MOQ and higher price combination covered the molds.

Anyway as an American I like Drop pricing plus their improved customer service after their rebrand (same day refunds once prepaid shipping label updates tracking), also essentially what like 10% off with that cashback system. But I'll wait to see Energies ever plans to offer a WOB.

[elmo]

Hold up, there is an exclusivity on the Katakana molds that were created for Masterpiece? 

Yes. Because the maker of GMK Masterpiece paid for those molds by himself. Thus he owns these molds and not GMK.

[BapoDonu]

Hold up, there is an exclusivity on the Katakana molds that were created for Masterpiece? 

Yes. Because the maker of GMK Masterpiece paid for those molds by himself. Thus he owns these molds and not GMK.

He owns the molds that he paid to be made, he does not own katakana

[eskimojo]

Hold up, there is an exclusivity on the Katakana molds that were created for Masterpiece? 

Yes. Because the maker of GMK Masterpiece paid for those molds by himself. Thus he owns these molds and not GMK.

He owns the molds that he paid to be made, he does not own katakana

Astute observation that nobody was questioning.

[beigeandbrown]

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I found this funny too. Isn't Japan known to be lowkey racist towards African Americans/foreigners in general? No ill will towards the set, looks very cool and any support is good. Fist rama wouldn't be a bad idea to help drive home the BLM support.

[Azernith]

glws

[aeryxz]

anyone complaining about someone donating money needs to shut the hell up

So you feel that it is ok to milk Asian/weeb culture because it sells very well in this community, disassociate it, and tack on donations to a charity/movement unrelated to the theme to get brownie points?

This community blows my mind constantly for all the stupidity that it brings up.

I mean there have been people before him that have done it like mito and no one bats an eyelid at that, why are we attacking it now?
Just don't buy the set if you don't like it.
I also don't get why it's a bad thing for ANY set to support the blm movement - as long as the funds are going to the right charities and not some other 'charity' front.

[HoodrowThrillson]

Hold up, there is an exclusivity on the Katakana molds that were created for Masterpiece? 

Didn’t a few businesses/entities/designers or whatever put some money in up front for the cost of the molds, so the mold cost wasn’t transmitted to the cost of the kits in group buy? And that’s how masterpiece was 130$ base with enough new molds I thought it woulda been 160? I presume then the molds would be theirs to run back with different colorways.

There's 2 ways to go about getting new molds done.

1) you drop a fat stack so it is yours
2) share cost with GMK which in turn makes it public (and allows anyone to use the molds, IE: the Zhuyin molds)

[haystack]

Well, it's not being run through a vendor named after a culture of black enslavement, so it's got that going for it, which is nice.

[Jefff]

Just a tad bit confused as to how the keycaps themselves relate to the BLM movement?

[Jefff]

Also, is there no plan for Alice support? The set itself is interesting, but lack of alice support + drop as the main vendor makes this a no-go for me.

[Arithmetics]

anyone complaining about someone donating money needs to shut the hell up

So you feel that it is ok to milk Asian/weeb culture because it sells very well in this community, disassociate it, and tack on donations to a charity/movement unrelated to the theme to get brownie points?

This community blows my mind constantly for all the stupidity that it brings up.

milk asian / weeb culture? they are key caps with letters on them. brownie points? its money for charity. who exactly does this hurt? no one.

[Pach]

Wow -

There's a whole bunch of different opinions and comments, and I did not expect this to happen. Let me clear things up a bit. If you still think this is bad and hate the idea of me donating funds to a cause I want to support, then feel free to keep that opinion and not support the set, but please refrain from commenting on this thread any more. I believe the point has been made by others.

First, I did not "base" this set on the BLM movement. I'm sorry if I didn't make that clear; I thought people might have guessed that BLM was not a basis for inspiration to this Japanese-themed set, but I was wrong. I never had the intention of offending anyone because of the apparent theme of the set. I approached MiTo shortly after the incident of the first IC on the proprietary molds, and he offered to help me get the set back on track with his new community molds (and ideas, renders, etc). We agreed on the idea of having all the designer profits donated to the BLM cause (a few months ago, when the movement exploded in America because of George Floyd, etc. but I don't want to get political right now), and back then I thought it was a great idea. Make a nice-looking set, and help out the community around me at a time when they needed it most.

Back then, the group buy was only scheduled to last a month. Then (a few days ago) came Drop with their (new) great system of ongoing preorders. I realized then that I had a lot more options of not only donating to just one relevant cause that I love and support and stop after the GB ended; I could donate to many other causes that I love and support if I ever wanted to. I don't plan on just running a charity for one month and then keeping every cent of profit for myself after that. That seems like a really cheap move.

Hopefully this clears some things up. Let's keep this thread a place for discussing keycaps, not a place to flame me on a charity choice.

[hali]

cool to see this worked out and being run
granted by people who arent able to communicate what their switches are made out of but hey still cool

[aeryxz]

cool to see this worked out and being run
granted by people who arent able to communicate what their switches are made out of but hey still cool

probably plastic and Chinese labour

[datfroyodoe]

anyone complaining about someone donating money needs to shut the hell up

So you feel that it is ok to milk Asian/weeb culture because it sells very well in this community, disassociate it, and tack on donations to a charity/movement unrelated to the theme to get brownie points?

This community blows my mind constantly for all the stupidity that it brings up.

dumbest thing i read all day. imagine getting butthurt over this.

[Amuaisi]

I have a question about the set, re:logistics. Drop is running group buys on a loop. It's mentioned that all designer profit during the first month of sales will go to the Black Lives Matter Support Fund. Will donating profit on first month be the case for every subsequent WoB Katakana run?

If so, this would be an interesting idea—as a community, being able to support a cause on a consistent basis, rather than one single donation.

[davisthegreat]

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Same. I appreciate the cause as a black person.. but the set has nothing to do with it. That bothers me for some reason. Nothing about this set says anything about black history, black lives matter etc. Its a great looking set, but for me .. i don't see the connection

[cadrev]

Any chance for white enter and esc key accents?

[Cha0]

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Same. I appreciate the cause as a black person.. but the set has nothing to do with it. That bothers me for some reason. Nothing about this set says anything about black history, black lives matter etc. Its a great looking set, but for me .. i don't see the connection

Jesus Christ, Guys. This is not that difficult.

This guy has a cool keycap idea he wants to sell. So he teams up with drop to bring the idea to life.

Such said dude also would like to donate some money to BLM in light of things that are happening in the country.


Period. That's it.

There is not supposed to be a connection. This dude is just randomly trying to be a good person and donate some money and you have people complaining that putting white lettering on a black keycap doesn't do anything for BLM.

[eyeon]

I want the mods from this (specifically R4), hard to find a WoB extension kit with the keys I want but not really interested in the alphas.  I guess will see what the price ends up being.

[SuperMcRad]

You seriously need to re-evaluate what you are trying to accomplish with this. I'm all for supporting the movement of BLM but this is a sad take of 100% cultural appropriation.

Maybe you need to re-evaluate your hot takes. When did OP connect the chosen colorway and BLM as being directly related? Slow down.

[kajahtaa]

Welp if a bunch of folks are gonna cry there's always the JACL.

I used to get lunch sometimes with a guy that was "interned" at a fairgrounds out in the middle of nowhere California as a child.

[davisthegreat]

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Same. I appreciate the cause as a black person.. but the set has nothing to do with it. That bothers me for some reason. Nothing about this set says anything about black history, black lives matter etc. Its a great looking set, but for me .. i don't see the connection

Jesus Christ, Guys. This is not that difficult.

This guy has a cool keycap idea he wants to sell. So he teams up with drop to bring the idea to life.

Such said dude also would like to donate some money to BLM in light of things that are happening in the country.


Period. That's it.

There is not supposed to be a connection. This dude is just randomly trying to be a good person and donate some money and you have people complaining that putting white lettering on a black keycap doesn't do anything for BLM.

Stop typing in a tizzy. ic is for feedback. I understand that the set is in no way related to blm, but it just doesn't feel right. Maybe because traditionally when you sell a product in support of a cause they are traditionally connected. Thats just how my brain works. In this case we could just donate directly, if we not feeling the set. Again, no dis to the creator or set it just don't connect... For me.

[harlekein]

You seriously need to re-evaluate what you are trying to accomplish with this. I'm all for supporting the movement of BLM but this is a sad take of 100% cultural appropriation.

In your striving to peak wokeness, you just turned on someone doing a good thing. While you are sitting there, making useless noise.

[Kajoler]

aw man drop :<

[UGunaLOSE]

Like the set, regardless of what some people are saying.

Watching with interest

[directheatedtriode]

2) share cost with GMK which in turn makes it public (and allows anyone to use the molds, IE: the Zhuyin molds)

Yeah this is what I thought happened, but people seem to have ignored what I wrote in my follow up to iovercallhistiocytes.

For people saying Energies doesn't own Katakana itself, well no **** I was aware of at that, I didn't register on GH in 2020 lmao.

Pachriksu - you and Drop are going to make some good money off a continuously rolling WOB set, I'd strongly suggest reworking the molds and delay rushing this out.

[Pach]

2) share cost with GMK which in turn makes it public (and allows anyone to use the molds, IE: the Zhuyin molds)

Yeah this is what I thought happened, but people seem to have ignored what I wrote in my follow up to iovercallhistiocytes.

For people saying Energies doesn't own Katakana itself, well no **** I was aware of at that, I didn't register on GH in 2020 lmao.

Pachriksu - you and Drop are going to make some good money off a continuously rolling WOB set, I'd strongly suggest reworking the molds and delay rushing this out.

No worries! The community molds have been in development for over 6 months now by MiTo, and details of this set have been planned months in advance to this IC. The molds are also used on GMK Mecha-01, which already went through GB. I'm confident that they'll be perfect

[udller]

this set looks nice enought, im not the biggest fan of purchasing through drop.

hopefully this doesnt some how get dixie mod shifts like wob hiragana did

[productkun]

Let me tell you why I don't like Drop.

GMK is made in Germany, which is inside the EU.
Then all the kits that are made in Germany go to America.
The kits that have been made in the EU start shipping from America to EU customers.
Which leaves EU customers like my sad because we have to pay extra VAT and Handling fees which makes keysets extra expensive and not worth buying.
It also makes unnecessary trips around the world which is not good for the environment.

Would be very nice if Drop made friends with an EU company so they can ship EU stuff from EU to EU.
Same reason I dont support MiTo sets, he does drop only.

[bmo711xd]

I've been waiting for this for so long. Never though it would happen but here we are.

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[BapoDonu]

2) share cost with GMK which in turn makes it public (and allows anyone to use the molds, IE: the Zhuyin molds)

Yeah this is what I thought happened, but people seem to have ignored what I wrote in my follow up to iovercallhistiocytes.

For people saying Energies doesn't own Katakana itself, well no **** I was aware of at that, I didn't register on GH in 2020 lmao.

Pachriksu - you and Drop are going to make some good money off a continuously rolling WOB set, I'd strongly suggest reworking the molds and delay rushing this out.

sorry

[treeleaf64]

Let me tell you why I don't like Drop.

GMK is made in Germany, which is inside the EU.
Then all the kits that are made in Germany go to America.
The kits that have been made in the EU start shipping from America to EU customers.
Which leaves EU customers like my sad because we have to pay extra VAT and Handling fees which makes keysets extra expensive and not worth buying.
It also makes unnecessary trips around the world which is not good for the environment.

Would be very nice if Drop made friends with an EU company so they can ship EU stuff from EU to EU.
Same reason I dont support MiTo sets, he does drop only.

Did I mention drop not good 

[noorejji]

Which leaves EU customers like my sad because we have to pay extra VAT and Handling fees which makes keysets extra expensive and not worth buying.

Huh, you pay VAT twice or something? Why, when and to who?

[productkun]

Gotta pay VAT on the whole Bill, so bill incl. shipping. so In my case 21% + another 33 euros handling fees.
Also takes alot longer to receive the items

[Swishy]

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Same. I appreciate the cause as a black person.. but the set has nothing to do with it. That bothers me for some reason. Nothing about this set says anything about black history, black lives matter etc. Its a great looking set, but for me .. i don't see the connection

Yes! You hit it right on the nail, I do like the support and all support for the cause is appreciated, but personally I don't think the set gives a message nor does it explain the reasoning behind the BLM. Money is nice and all, but it doesn't tell the stories of those wrongfully killed or imprisoned just because the color of their skin. I am also kind of against this because not just you but every ad I see seems to be "supporting" BLM, even though years in the past they kept quiet. Personally to me I would like to see something like this not just be about the money and where it goes but the story that it tell, not just a set with Japanese legends. If you feel you aren't capable to tell the story there is google and a whole tons of site to start learning black history so the truth isn't hidden you just have to find it. https://www.tulsahistory.org/exhibit/1921-tulsa-race-massacre/ here is a start.

[noorejji]

My sincere apologies to keep this derailing debacle going, but I'm a bit confused. Is this a keyset interest check or some kind of social justice karma check?

If you feel you aren't capable to tell the story there is google and a whole tons of site to start learning black history so the truth isn't hidden you just have to find it. https://www.tulsahistory.org/exhibit/1921-tulsa-race-massacre/ here is a start.

Exactly, so why does Pachriksu have to retread ground, when numerous others have done it so well? And who are you to imply that he's not informed on the subject?

What do you guys want? To bin the racist moon runes, make it black on yellow, rename it GMK BLM, slap on some BLM themed novelties, RAMA cap, deskmat, and give a heartfelt essay on how OP and his family has been deeply hurt by institutional racism; would you let it pass then, gatekeepers?

Hey we even got the good 'ol "should've donated more" with how Pachriksu should donate all profits forever. It's a damn shame that the only solution here is for Pachriksu to not donate to BLM, but I know he won't because he actually cares.

[alpaone]

Let me tell you why I don't like Drop.

GMK is made in Germany, which is inside the EU.
Then all the kits that are made in Germany go to America.
The kits that have been made in the EU start shipping from America to EU customers.
Which leaves EU customers like my sad because we have to pay extra VAT and Handling fees which makes keysets extra expensive and not worth buying.
It also makes unnecessary trips around the world which is not good for the environment.

Would be very nice if Drop made friends with an EU company so they can ship EU stuff from EU to EU.
Same reason I dont support MiTo sets, he does drop only.

This might go against the popular opinion, but I don't even mind Drop as a vendor for EU.
Sure, shipping this set from EU to the US and back might not be environmentally friendly but at least cost-wise it's not that bad:

Assuming a theoretical price of $110 and shipping costs of $5:
$115 ≈ 95€
+ 18€ (19% VAT)
+ 6€ Fee

equals to a total of 119€.

Assuming this set ships after 01.07.2021 (new EU VAT rules) I also won't have to pay the 6€ fee, reducing the theoretical price to 113€.
Assuming I use my Drop Rewards Points this further reduces the price to ~107€.

[productkun]

Let me tell you why I don't like Drop.

GMK is made in Germany, which is inside the EU.
Then all the kits that are made in Germany go to America.
The kits that have been made in the EU start shipping from America to EU customers.
Which leaves EU customers like my sad because we have to pay extra VAT and Handling fees which makes keysets extra expensive and not worth buying.
It also makes unnecessary trips around the world which is not good for the environment.

Would be very nice if Drop made friends with an EU company so they can ship EU stuff from EU to EU.
Same reason I dont support MiTo sets, he does drop only.

This might go against the popular opinion, but I don't even mind Drop as a vendor for EU.
Sure, shipping this set from EU to the US and back might not be environmentally friendly but at least cost-wise it's not that bad:

Assuming a price of theoretical price of $110 and shipping costs of $5:
$115 ≈ 95€
+ 18€ (19% VAT)
+ 6€ Fee

equals to a total of 119€.

Assuming this set ships after 01.07.2021 (new EU VAT rules) I also won't have to pay the 6€ fee, reducing the theoretical price to 113€.
Assuming I use my Drop Rewards Points this further reduces the price to ~107€.

The fees are 33 euros in my country, instead of 6.


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[alpaone]

[...]

The fees are 33 euros in my country, instead of 6.

Check with your member state's customs agency, if you'll be able pay your import VAT online after 01.07.2021!
This way you won't have to pay the shipping company's horrendous fees.

[Swishy]

My sincere apologies to keep this derailing debacle going, but I'm a bit confused. Is this a keyset interest check or some kind of social justice karma check?

If you feel you aren't capable to tell the story there is google and a whole tons of site to start learning black history so the truth isn't hidden you just have to find it. https://www.tulsahistory.org/exhibit/1921-tulsa-race-massacre/ here is a start.

Exactly, so why does Pachriksu have to retread ground, when numerous others have done it so well? And who are you to imply that he's not informed on the subject?

What do you guys want? To bin the racist moon runes, make it black on yellow, rename it GMK BLM, slap on some BLM themed novelties, RAMA cap, deskmat, and give a heartfelt essay on how OP and his family has been deeply hurt by institutional racism; would you let it pass then, gatekeepers?

Hey we even got the good 'ol "should've donated more" with how Pachriksu should donate all profits forever. It's a damn shame that the only solution here is for Pachriksu to not donate to BLM, but I know he won't because he actually cares.

I think its easier for you to feel this way if you're not being directly impacted. I love the support, but money doesn't do anything it helps continue, but education go much farther, and this could be used as a way to spread an actual message be honest would you ever actively look up this stuff if someone doesn't throw it in your face. With the White-washing of history and systematic oppression of many minorities if I am being honest no from my black perspective the money isn't enough, if you really wanna help teach a lesson open more people eyes to the truth. Cause the bigger issue is people don't have to notice it, so its easy to ignore the issue and say you're not the problem. Second He could've easy asked people for a black perspective I feel like if he did most would've given him a similar response. Also I am not gatekeeping I didn't say don't do this and I would still support the set I just want it to go further.

[directheatedtriode]

2) share cost with GMK which in turn makes it public (and allows anyone to use the molds, IE: the Zhuyin molds)

Yeah this is what I thought happened, but people seem to have ignored what I wrote in my follow up to iovercallhistiocytes.

For people saying Energies doesn't own Katakana itself, well no **** I was aware of at that, I didn't register on GH in 2020 lmao.

Pachriksu - you and Drop are going to make some good money off a continuously rolling WOB set, I'd strongly suggest reworking the molds and delay rushing this out.

sorry

No apology needed, I'm sorry for my toxic post. I wasn't singling anyone out as I saw a few replies mention that.

[udller]

buying and shipping from a local vendor is always cheaper than buying from america and paying currency conversions. plus it makes local jobs. support your local.

[bigfishkb]

I understand the intent. But I feels like it's in really poor taste to milk the BLM movement to help boost sales on a weeby wob set.

[Havattack]

I understand the intent. But I feels like it's in really poor taste to milk the BLM movement to help boost sales on a weeby wob set.

"The internet" .... pretty sure that's just good ol' fashion, American, capitalism my friend.

[treeleaf64]

You on the wrong side of the tracks looking visibly shaken
Takin them plungers, plunging to death that's painted by the numbers

Sounds good to me

[zekth]

Let me tell you why I don't like Drop.

GMK is made in Germany, which is inside the EU.
Then all the kits that are made in Germany go to America.
The kits that have been made in the EU start shipping from America to EU customers.
Which leaves EU customers like my sad because we have to pay extra VAT and Handling fees which makes keysets extra expensive and not worth buying.
It also makes unnecessary trips around the world which is not good for the environment.

Would be very nice if Drop made friends with an EU company so they can ship EU stuff from EU to EU.
Same reason I dont support MiTo sets, he does drop only.

This might go against the popular opinion, but I don't even mind Drop as a vendor for EU.
Sure, shipping this set from EU to the US and back might not be environmentally friendly but at least cost-wise it's not that bad:

Assuming a price of theoretical price of $110 and shipping costs of $5:
$115 ≈ 95€
+ 18€ (19% VAT)
+ 6€ Fee

equals to a total of 119€.

Assuming this set ships after 01.07.2021 (new EU VAT rules) I also won't have to pay the 6€ fee, reducing the theoretical price to 113€.
Assuming I use my Drop Rewards Points this further reduces the price to ~107€.

The fees are 33 euros in my country, instead of 6.


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Even without regarding the fees, the carbon impact is ridiculous because it has to travel all over the world instead of travelling 500 miles (GMK=> EU Proxy => my home).

[titanium]

Please don't make the numpad part of the base kit. There's a big reason modern kits separate the numpad. Hardly anyone uses them.

[hineybush]

Please don't make the numpad part of the base kit. There's a big reason modern kits separate the numpad. Hardly anyone uses them.

disagree

[Agilr]

Please don't make the numpad part of the base kit. There's a big reason modern kits separate the numpad. Hardly anyone uses them.

disagree

agree to disagree

[BapoDonu]

Please don't make the numpad part of the base kit. There's a big reason modern kits separate the numpad. Hardly anyone uses them.

disagree

agree to disagree

disagree to agree

[Tonkatonk]

2) share cost with GMK which in turn makes it public (and allows anyone to use the molds, IE: the Zhuyin molds)

Yeah this is what I thought happened, but people seem to have ignored what I wrote in my follow up to iovercallhistiocytes.

For people saying Energies doesn't own Katakana itself, well no **** I was aware of at that, I didn't register on GH in 2020 lmao.

Pachriksu - you and Drop are going to make some good money off a continuously rolling WOB set, I'd strongly suggest reworking the molds and delay rushing this out.

No worries! The community molds have been in development for over 6 months now by MiTo, and details of this set have been planned months in advance to this IC. The molds are also used on GMK Mecha-01, which already went through GB. I'm confident that they'll be perfect

1) MiTo legends :puke:
2) Finally I can support the blasian community, go Tiger Woods!

[Rosie]

I think the set itself is lovely and simple, which is always nice, especially if the plan is to have it continually available. The kitting could be adjusted, but others would be better suited to speak to that. As a 40s user, I am a bit out of touch on that front...

Following all of that up though, I first want to second the comment(s) that encouraged an ongoing donation commitment, since plans for the group buy have changed. The gesture would still be appreciated either way, but it would really make it clear that it isn't just for publicity's sake but rather part of an ongoing commitment to stand by our black communities!

Finally, I 100% agree with the following:

[...] Nothing about this set says anything about black history, black lives matter etc. Its a great looking set, but for me .. i don't see the connection

Given that the set was conceptualized before the donation aspect was finalized, it's understandable, but going forward, I think it would go a long way if you or other designers would work to design and produce a set with that much more firmly in mind. There are so many Japanese inspired sets (beautiful ones, surely, but a lot), and I think that it would be very cool if you or another designer were to pick up an idea inspired by African American culture to headline a BLM donation set.

I am no designer, but I whipped up two super quick concepts with some simple svgs I found on google, just to get a sense of some of the options that would be available. Since I made them, I picked things that were near and dear to me, with the first set inspired by one of my literary heroes, James Baldwin, and If Beale Street Could Talk and the second inspired by Spike Lee's Do the Right Thing. Unfortunately I really have very little idea about how to run a group buy and other people are surely much better designers, but I was inspired by the idea of creating a set to celebrate black history and art, and I sincerely hope somebody more capable would be eager to work on a project like one of these.


https://imgur.com/a/1KJkHpm The album also has some notes about my thought process in case anybody gives a rat's patoot.

[noorejji]

I think its easier for you to feel this way if you're not being directly impacted.

Naturally I would feel differently, but that doesn't mean I'd act on it. As a cynic I don't let my thought and feelings dictate how I act; but this isn't about me.

What irks me is the discrimination (in the sense that we treat something differently based on what it is) between different charities. The difference between this set and Ivory is that Ivory has novelties, artisan and a cable. That's it. There's nothing about educating the world about the impeding extincion of elephants, but there was no uproar to be found there. Why? Because we tolerate injustice that doesn't directly affect us. Ironic.

[i luv chuletas]

Jesus the level of drama on this forum lately is just ridiculous.

The man decides to do something nice and put profits to charity for a month, and he gets crucified for the set not having to do anything with the cause? and it not being enough..?

It's money being given to charity out of something that came from his work/effort. No one is required to do that, but he decided to. It's quite admirable, I know very few people that would do that, and it's just plain sad to see someone get **** for it.

You guys seriously need to chill.

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Outside of that, I love that this is being made. Simple, clean, and hella elegant. It kind of helps fill the gap in which GMK Masterpiece and Modern/Simple JA reside. Will certainly cop a set when it drops!

[HungHingDaiLo]

So glad this is made but so sad this runs through drop

[Senbeii]

I think the addition of spacebars + b, and a Numpad is great! Though my concern would be how much would the base kit increase in price with the new addons. Overall I think this is a great set GLWS, looking forward to seeing what other charities you will be donating to after the first month!

[2Moons]

MiTo knows exactly how I would feel about this set particularly.

I only want to say that this set being wob could have correct Japanese Katakana locations and the 20 other legends it would take to make a correct JIS set. Easily.

If any set should be Japanese functionally correct, it's this one.

[saltimate]

More

Wow -

There's a whole bunch of different opinions and comments, and I did not expect this to happen. Let me clear things up a bit. If you still think this is bad and hate the idea of me donating funds to a cause I want to support, then feel free to keep that opinion and not support the set, but please refrain from commenting on this thread any more. I believe the point has been made by others.

First, I did not "base" this set on the BLM movement. I'm sorry if I didn't make that clear; I thought people might have guessed that BLM was not a basis for inspiration to this Japanese-themed set, but I was wrong. I never had the intention of offending anyone because of the apparent theme of the set. I approached MiTo shortly after the incident of the first IC on the proprietary molds, and he offered to help me get the set back on track with his new community molds (and ideas, renders, etc). We agreed on the idea of having all the designer profits donated to the BLM cause (a few months ago, when the movement exploded in America because of George Floyd, etc. but I don't want to get political right now), and back then I thought it was a great idea. Make a nice-looking set, and help out the community around me at a time when they needed it most.

Back then, the group buy was only scheduled to last a month. Then (a few days ago) came Drop with their (new) great system of ongoing preorders. I realized then that I had a lot more options of not only donating to just one relevant cause that I love and support and stop after the GB ended; I could donate to many other causes that I love and support if I ever wanted to. I don't plan on just running a charity for one month and then keeping every cent of profit for myself after that. That seems like a really cheap move.

Hopefully this clears some things up. Let's keep this thread a place for discussing keycaps, not a place to flame me on a charity choice.

yeah nah i like the set (as rendered here) and think its nice that you want to use it to support charities
although i am worried about the legends. its a little hard to tell but based on the gmk mecha-01 renders im not a huge fan, idk maybe its just the colours but the legends seem kind of blobby...
but that doesn't even matter at the moment because im not going to deal with drop

[Shiba1337]

ok

[kidviddy]

I only want to say that this set being wob could have correct Japanese Katakana locations and the 20 other legends it would take to make a correct JIS set. Easily.

I’ve been a bit busy recently so I haven’t been following this properly, and I still haven’t had a chance to sit down and analyse this set fully, so apologies if I’m missing something obvious. But as far as I can tell, this set contains the R1 ー、R3 ム、and R4 ロ required for correct Japanese Katakana locations. Are there any I’ve missed?

Apart from katakana key placement, what are the 20 other legends needed to make a correct JIS set? Obviously the JIS-only “modifier” keys like 半角/全角、無変換、変換、ひらがな／カタカナ、 and the Mac-specific 英数/かな keys would all be nice, as well as a 4.5U space bar. Are these the keys you meant? That’s only 6 legends, and I happen to know of a certain other set that will be supplying these in a white-on-black colourway (not that I wouldn’t be thrilled to see them included here as well, of course!)

I feel like I must be missing something, because I can’t see anything wrong with this set from a JIS point of view, other than the missing mods. It is late and I’m sleepy, though, so maybe I’ve overlooked something obvious.

[EdgeOfInfinity]

OP should allocate the proceeds where they see fit, it's not like you know where the proceeds from other GBs are going anyway...

great idea to support an important movement!

[Pach]

Base Kit updated for the first time! A bunch of things were changed, take a look! The IC form has also been reset for new comments, so please leave one if you want to say or suggest something: https://forms.gle/ZMM2PhAaEbFcDkH28

[davisthegreat]

I think its easier for you to feel this way if you're not being directly impacted.

Naturally I would feel differently, but that doesn't mean I'd act on it. As a cynic I don't let my thought and feelings dictate how I act; but this isn't about me.

What irks me is the discrimination (in the sense that we treat something differently based on what it is) between different charities. The difference between this set and Ivory is that Ivory has novelties, artisan and a cable. That's it. There's nothing about educating the world about the impeding extincion of elephants, but there was no uproar to be found there. Why? Because we tolerate injustice that doesn't directly affect us. Ironic.

Its called Ivory so that is an obvious connection to elephants, and yes it had artisan and colors and a whole theme basically that aligned to the cause it was donating to. So not ironic at all. Its actually my exact point. And you cant speak for others only yourself. I for 1 fight for a few issues that don't directly impact me, and I'm sure a few others here do as well.

[alpaone]

Base Kit updated for the first time! A bunch of things were changed, take a look! The IC form has also been reset for new comments, so please leave one if you want to say or suggest something: https://forms.gle/ZMM2PhAaEbFcDkH28

Removing the squared Esc icon in favor of a white accent ⎋ is a welcome change.

Nevertheless, please consider some of the follow suggestions:

• Re-add the second R4 1u ⎇ — These are needed to populate a true HHKB/Tsangan bottom row.
• Re-center the R3 ⌃ — IMHO this looks very odd raised.
• Re-add the R4 1u ≡ and remove the ♦ — ≡ is usually used as an icon for Fn/Menu, this would make it coherent with the other 1.25 ≡ you used.
• Consider using R4 1.5u ♢⌘ instead of ♢ — IMHO this makes the 1.5u keys look less "empty"; molds for these were made for GMK Burgundy.

[Pach]

Base Kit updated for the first time! A bunch of things were changed, take a look! The IC form has also been reset for new comments, so please leave one if you want to say or suggest something: https://forms.gle/ZMM2PhAaEbFcDkH28

Removing the squared Esc icon in favor of a white accent ⎋ is a welcome change.

Nevertheless, please consider some of the follow suggestions:

• Re-add the second R4 1u ⎇ — These are needed to populate a true HHKB/Tsangan bottom row.
• Re-center the R3 ⌃ — IMHO this looks very odd raised.
• Re-add the R4 1u ≡ and remove the ♦ — ≡ is usually used as an icon for Fn/Menu, this would make it coherent with the other 1.25 ≡ you used.
• Consider using R4 1.5u ♢⌘ instead of ♢ — IMHO this makes the 1.5u keys look less "empty"; molds for these were made for GMK Burgundy.

Thanks for the suggestions! The R3 ^ is actually supposed to be centered, I'll fix that. I'll take the other suggestions into account as well, but I won't be doing the last one because it doesn't fit well in the set.

[2Moons]

I only want to say that this set being wob could have correct Japanese Katakana locations and the 20 other legends it would take to make a correct JIS set. Easily.

I’ve been a bit busy recently so I haven’t been following this properly, and I still haven’t had a chance to sit down and analyse this set fully, so apologies if I’m missing something obvious. But as far as I can tell, this set contains the R1 ー、R3 ム、and R4 ロ required for correct Japanese Katakana locations. Are there any I’ve missed?

Apart from katakana key placement, what are the 20 other legends needed to make a correct JIS set? Obviously the JIS-only “modifier” keys like 半角/全角、無変換、変換、ひらがな／カタカナ、 and the Mac-specific 英数/かな keys would all be nice, as well as a 4.5U space bar. Are these the keys you meant? That’s only 6 legends, and I happen to know of a certain other set that will be supplying these in a white-on-black colourway (not that I wouldn’t be thrilled to see them included here as well, of course!)

I feel like I must be missing something, because I can’t see anything wrong with this set from a JIS point of view, other than the missing mods. It is late and I’m sleepy, though, so maybe I’ve overlooked something obvious.

No, your right. It seems to have the extra keys needed to make JIS. It's too bad that this doesn't have the alphas as well considering it's going on Drop.

[konstantin]

Base Kit updated for the first time! A bunch of things were changed, take a look! The IC form has also been reset for new comments, so please leave one if you want to say or suggest something: https://forms.gle/ZMM2PhAaEbFcDkH28

Removing the squared Esc icon in favor of a white accent ⎋ is a welcome change.

Nevertheless, please consider some of the follow suggestions:

• Re-add the second R4 1u ⎇ — These are needed to populate a true HHKB/Tsangan bottom row.
• Re-center the R3 ⌃ — IMHO this looks very odd raised.
• Re-add the R4 1u ≡ and remove the ♦ — ≡ is usually used as an icon for Fn/Menu, this would make it coherent with the other 1.25 ≡ you used.
• Consider using R4 1.5u ♢⌘ instead of ♢ — IMHO this makes the 1.5u keys look less "empty"; molds for these were made for GMK Burgundy.

Thanks for the suggestions! The R3 ^ is actually supposed to be centered, I'll fix that. I'll take the other suggestions into account as well, but I won't be doing the last one because it doesn't fit well in the set.

The updated base kit looks really good, so GJ Pachriksu for listening to feedback.

I agree with suggestions #1–3 from the quoted post (and highly disagree with #4). However, as far as #3 goes, I would keep both ≡ and ♦ in the kit since having a generic R4 1u key is useful for a variety layouts (60%, 65%, 40% ortho — which, by the way, is currently supported). If there is one key that I would consider removing, it's the 1u ⇧, since it's only really useful for 60% w/ arrows (GK64) and 40% ortho. But it's okay if that stays as well, although I wouldn't prioritize it (e.g. the second ⎇ is a lot more important than 1u ⇧).

As far as the ♦ goes, one thing I would consider doing is replacing it with a >_ icon (examples: 1 2 3). I think this icon would fit in better with the remaining icons, seeing as all of them are outlined and ♦ is the only one that's filled.

If you want, you can use ÷, × instead of /, * on the numpad; some people prefer those legends for aesthetics. I think that they would work well with this numpad because they're a bit more visually balanced than /, *.

One final thing to consider is including the following keys for minimal staggered 40% support:

• R2 1.75u ⭠
• R3 1.25u ⭾
• R3 1.5u ⮠

This would allow the base kit to cover the majority of popular 40s boards out there (standard 12u, standard 13u, Van derivatives etc.), which is why the 40% community has recently started recommending including these 3 keys in base as a good alternative for sets that don't want to run a dedicated 40% kit.
Together with the already existing ortho support, adding these keys would indeed mean that the set would have physical support for all of the most popular 40% boards overall.

Edit: correction

[Pach]

I only want to say that this set being wob could have correct Japanese Katakana locations and the 20 other legends it would take to make a correct JIS set. Easily.

I’ve been a bit busy recently so I haven’t been following this properly, and I still haven’t had a chance to sit down and analyse this set fully, so apologies if I’m missing something obvious. But as far as I can tell, this set contains the R1 ー、R3 ム、and R4 ロ required for correct Japanese Katakana locations. Are there any I’ve missed?

Apart from katakana key placement, what are the 20 other legends needed to make a correct JIS set? Obviously the JIS-only “modifier” keys like 半角/全角、無変換、変換、ひらがな／カタカナ、 and the Mac-specific 英数/かな keys would all be nice, as well as a 4.5U space bar. Are these the keys you meant? That’s only 6 legends, and I happen to know of a certain other set that will be supplying these in a white-on-black colourway (not that I wouldn’t be thrilled to see them included here as well, of course!)

I feel like I must be missing something, because I can’t see anything wrong with this set from a JIS point of view, other than the missing mods. It is late and I’m sleepy, though, so maybe I’ve overlooked something obvious.

No, your right. It seems to have the extra keys needed to make JIS. It's too bad that this doesn't have the alphas as well considering it's going on Drop.

Do you mean sublegend alphas? That is very much a consideration in the future runs as a child kit on Drop, but for now monolegends are a good place to start.

Base Kit updated for the first time! A bunch of things were changed, take a look! The IC form has also been reset for new comments, so please leave one if you want to say or suggest something: https://forms.gle/ZMM2PhAaEbFcDkH28

Removing the squared Esc icon in favor of a white accent ⎋ is a welcome change.

Nevertheless, please consider some of the follow suggestions:

• Re-add the second R4 1u ⎇ — These are needed to populate a true HHKB/Tsangan bottom row.
• Re-center the R3 ⌃ — IMHO this looks very odd raised.
• Re-add the R4 1u ≡ and remove the ♦ — ≡ is usually used as an icon for Fn/Menu, this would make it coherent with the other 1.25 ≡ you used.
• Consider using R4 1.5u ♢⌘ instead of ♢ — IMHO this makes the 1.5u keys look less "empty"; molds for these were made for GMK Burgundy.

Thanks for the suggestions! The R3 ^ is actually supposed to be centered, I'll fix that. I'll take the other suggestions into account as well, but I won't be doing the last one because it doesn't fit well in the set.

The updated base kit looks really good, so GJ Pachriksu for listening to feedback.

I agree with suggestions #1–3 from the quoted post (and highly disagree with #4). However, as far as #3 goes, I would keep both ≡ and ♦ in the kit since having a generic R4 1u key is useful for a variety layouts (60%, 65%, 40% ortho — which, by the way, is currently supported). If there is one key that I would consider removing, it's the 1u ⇧, since it's only really useful for 60% w/ arrows (GK64) and 40% ortho. But it's okay if that stays as well, although I wouldn't prioritize it (e.g. the second ⎇ is a lot more important than 1u ⇧).

As far as the ♦ goes, one thing I would consider doing is replacing it with a >_ icon (examples: 1 2 3). I think this icon would fit in better with the remaining icons, seeing as all of them are outlined and ♦ is the only one that's filled.

If you want, you can use ÷, × instead of /, * on the numpad; some people prefer those legends for aesthetics. I think that they would work well with this numpad because they're a bit more visually balanced than /, *.

One final thing to consider is including the following keys for minimal staggered 40% support:

• R2 1.75u ⭠
• R3 1.25u ⭾
• R3 1.5u ⮠

This would allow the base kit to cover the majority of popular 40s boards out there (standard 12u, standard 13u, Van derivatives etc.), which is why the 40% community has recently started recommending including these 3 keys in base as a good alternative for sets that don't want to run a dedicated 40% kit.
Together with the already existing ortho support, adding these keys would indeed mean that the set would have physical support for all of the most popular 40% boards overall.

Edit: correction

Thank you! I'm taking all of these new suggestions into account.

[afrodykey]

[Cubic // esc lab]

Jesus the level of drama on this forum lately is just ridiculous.

The man decides to do something nice and put profits to charity for a month, and he gets crucified for the set not having to do anything with the cause? and it not being enough..?

It's money being given to charity out of something that came from his work/effort. No one is required to do that, but he decided to. It's quite admirable, I know very few people that would do that, and it's just plain sad to see someone get **** for it.

You guys seriously need to chill.

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Outside of that, I love that this is being made. Simple, clean, and hella elegant. It kind of helps fill the gap in which GMK Masterpiece and Modern/Simple JA reside. Will certainly cop a set when it drops!

A small minority of people on Geekhack feed off of starting and fueling drama. It's a sad state of this forum these days.

[Pach]

New base kit revision up!

Unfortunately, I decided to remove a few keys used for aesthetic alternatives in order to provide a bit more compatibility and lower costs. Currently, the base kit is at 157 keys, 17 more keys than GMK WoB for comparison. It was a bit hard to see some keys go, but I believe this will benefit more. Makes some room for the added minimum 40s support

I swapped out the numpad icons for icons that fit better. Personally, I did not like the purse icon, so I tried out a different style. It seems to fit pretty well.

I decided to experiment with the OG non-flipped alt icons; tell me if you like 'em or hate 'em in the new IC form. I think it's nice to break normality a little in a GMK set, they already have the mold, and it also looks pretty good, so why not try it?

[noorejji]

Why not a spacebar kit? Could move the minibars there + some of the other usual suspects and a 6u; oh and a couple of 3u's which seem to be on the rise. Maybe a bit late for that now, but I think it could be neat for anyone looking for black spacebars.

[Pach]

Why not a spacebar kit? Could move the minibars there + some of the other usual suspects and a 6u; oh and a couple of 3u's which seem to be on the rise. Maybe a bit late for that now, but I think it could be neat for anyone looking for black spacebars.

Having only 1 kit will make things much easier when having an ongoing pre-order. I might consider splitting kits in the future, if that ever allows.

[Pach]

New Update Posted!