There's also an argument to be made that you should use the stock clears for a few months to break them in as well. I'd skipped this step before and regretted it.
There's also an argument to be made that you should use the stock clears for a few months to break them in as well. I'd skipped this step before and regretted it.
?... elaborate on how you skipped using the switch while using the switch?
They weren't gritty or horrible – I still thought they were nicer than stock clears, browns, etc – but they never reached their peak potential ;)
One option would be to buy some used clears from an older Cherry board, for instance.
Save the regretting for burnt-turkeys and divorce.
Ahh, thanks.
Does anyone know where I can pick up Krytox now that the Geekhack store is closed? I don't need much, right?
Ahh, thanks.
Does anyone know where I can pick up Krytox now that the Geekhack store is closed? I don't need much, right?
Try ebay for the Krytox.
Much prefer stock clears to ergo clearsDefinitely all preference, I'd recommend anyone try the stock clears before the ergos, ya never know what might strike your fancy!
Much prefer stock clears to ergo clearsDefinitely all preference, I'd recommend anyone try the stock clears before the ergos, ya never know what might strike your fancy!
I bought a Cherry Clear based keyboard, some 65g Korean springs and also just ordered the MechLube 2 from Elite Keyboards. Hopefully that lube is good enough. I am looking for something in between Browns and Blacks, perhaps closer to Blues, so I don't have a problem modding a new board. I love my Topre 45g board and found the Topre 55g just a bit too heavy. If I could build my own keyboard, it would be Topre 49g. :cool: I believe, from what I've read, that the stock Clears are slightly stronger than a Torpre 55g, so I imagine the 65g Koreans will be perfect.
i just bought a lube kit from originitive and it shipped out today. it came with the lube you want. i bought the kit after JD told me lubing switches with Super Lube is a mortal sin.How did you know that your Orginative stuff shipped? I bought from there about a week ago (springs, stickers, etc) and only got notification for purchasing. No shipping info.
i didnt know i should break in the clears for a bit before modding them. i wouldnt mind doing that if it is worth it but i think it would be easier to mod the switches without having the soldered to a plate. but whateves. i want the best keyboard experience. i can wait.
Much prefer stock clears to ergo clearsDefinitely all preference, I'd recommend anyone try the stock clears before the ergos, ya never know what might strike your fancy!
Same here. Big stock Clears fan and also like light switches like Browns, Blues, 55g MX Whites, etc. for reference. Don't care for ergo-Clears. Definitely try stock Clears first to get an idea.
I bought a Cherry Clear based keyboard, some 65g Korean springs and also just ordered the MechLube 2 from Elite Keyboards. Hopefully that lube is good enough. I am looking for something in between Browns and Blacks, perhaps closer to Blues, so I don't have a problem modding a new board. I love my Topre 45g board and found the Topre 55g just a bit too heavy. If I could build my own keyboard, it would be Topre 49g. :cool: I believe, from what I've read, that the stock Clears are slightly stronger than a Torpre 55g, so I imagine the 65g Koreans will be perfect.
i just bought a lube kit from originitive and it shipped out today. it came with the lube you want. i bought the kit after JD told me lubing switches with Super Lube is a mortal sin.How did you know that your Orginative stuff shipped? I bought from there about a week ago (springs, stickers, etc) and only got notification for purchasing. No shipping info.
i didnt know i should break in the clears for a bit before modding them. i wouldnt mind doing that if it is worth it but i think it would be easier to mod the switches without having them soldered to a plate. but whateves. i want the best keyboard experience. i can wait.
Much prefer stock clears to ergo clearsDefinitely all preference, I'd recommend anyone try the stock clears before the ergos, ya never know what might strike your fancy!
Same here. Big stock Clears fan and also like light switches like Browns, Blues, 55g MX Whites, etc. for reference. Don't care for ergo-Clears. Definitely try stock Clears first to get an idea.
i was 100% set on making ergo clears with 62g korean springs for my ergodox until i read this thread. what didnt you like about the ergo clears? were they too light? what didnt you like about them?
I bought a Cherry Clear based keyboard, some 65g Korean springs and also just ordered the MechLube 2 from Elite Keyboards. Hopefully that lube is good enough. I am looking for something in between Browns and Blacks, perhaps closer to Blues, so I don't have a problem modding a new board. I love my Topre 45g board and found the Topre 55g just a bit too heavy. If I could build my own keyboard, it would be Topre 49g. :cool: I believe, from what I've read, that the stock Clears are slightly stronger than a Torpre 55g, so I imagine the 65g Koreans will be perfect.
Im pretty sure I remember reading somewhere the EK lube is only suitable for stabilizers (ie. not inside a switch).
Much prefer stock clears to ergo clearsDefinitely all preference, I'd recommend anyone try the stock clears before the ergos, ya never know what might strike your fancy!
Same here. Big stock Clears fan and also like light switches like Browns, Blues, 55g MX Whites, etc. for reference. Don't care for ergo-Clears. Definitely try stock Clears first to get an idea.
i was 100% set on making ergo clears with 62g korean springs for my ergodox until i read this thread. what didnt you like about the ergo clears? were they too light? what didnt you like about them?
There's also an argument to be made that you should use the stock clears for a few months to break them in as well. I'd skipped this step before and regretted it.
Im pretty sure I remember reading somewhere the EK lube is only suitable for stabilizers (ie. not inside a switch).
I knew I remembered reading that EK lube should not be used inside the switch - Source (http://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=34332.msg674103#msg674103)Well, I bought the MechLube 2. Is that different than the one not recommended?
well 62g korean springs seem to be a geekhack favorite.Also I believe korean springs are measured by the bottom out force though I could be wrong. So the 62g arent as heavy as they sound.
well 62g korean springs seem to be a geekhack favorite.Also I believe korean springs are measured by the bottom out force though I could be wrong. So the 62g arent as heavy as they sound.
Ill be doing a clear mod and then thinking about going to ergo clear but im not sure how ill feel about how heavy they are since I havent typed on a heavy switch for an extended period of time. Should be interesting. :Dwell 62g korean springs seem to be a geekhack favorite.Also I believe korean springs are measured by the bottom out force though I could be wrong. So the 62g arent as heavy as they sound.
the 62 after-market springs are virtually identical to stock brown/blue springs.
i doubt anyone could "feel" the difference if they were swapped...
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Yeah you provide us with a lot of great unbiased info as well
Just for reference--what's the bottom-out force of a stock clear spring? 100g?
There's also an argument to be made that you should use the stock clears for a few months to break them in as well. I'd skipped this step before and regretted it.Also to break yourself in ... or I mean, get used to typing on them.
I put lubed stock Clears into dustinhxc's Poker X that I sold him (also plate mounted them), and he tells me that he never even uses his Topre board anymore. :D
I put lubed stock Clears into dustinhxc's Poker X that I sold him (also plate mounted them), and he tells me that he never even uses his Topre board anymore. :D
:eek:
jd what lube do you recommend with stock clears? And you follow the lubing guide?
Never tried different springs but I love my stock clears so much! Best switch ever used.
Never tried different springs but I love my stock clears so much! Best switch ever used.
Compare it to thorpe. Do it now.
Never tried different springs but I love my stock clears so much! Best switch ever used.
Compare it to thorpe. Do it now.
I already told you, he can't, because he doesn't even use Thorpe anymore. :))
been using 62g ergo clears all week for the first time on an entire keyboard, its a bit heavy for me but im going to stick with it for a few more days.....
i know people aren't always fans of browns, but for those who like light and tactile switches, something similar to 45g topre (similar, not the same!) id highly suggest trying out browns krytox combo lubed (a must with these) with 55g korean springs if people want something lighter than ergo clears but tactile. you can put 55g in clears but even with lube they feel "sticky". you would think the 55g spring would feel the same as the stock brown spring but it does not.
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(http://farm4.staticflickr.com/3667/12314010114_3477d957f3.jpg) (http://flic.kr/p/jL9wcd)
the pinky keys are the browns i speak of and the clears are 62g
Never tried different springs but I love my stock clears so much! Best switch ever used.
Compare it to thorpe. Do it now.
I already told you, he can't, because he doesn't even use Thorpe anymore. :))
been using 62g ergo clears all week for the first time on an entire keyboard, its a bit heavy for me but im going to stick with it for a few more days.....
i know people aren't always fans of browns, but for those who like light and tactile switches, something similar to 45g topre (similar, not the same!) id highly suggest trying out browns krytox combo lubed (a must with these) with 55g korean springs if people want something lighter than ergo clears but tactile. you can put 55g in clears but even with lube they feel "sticky". you would think the 55g spring would feel the same as the stock brown spring but it does not.
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(http://farm4.staticflickr.com/3667/12314010114_3477d957f3.jpg) (http://flic.kr/p/jL9wcd)
the pinky keys are the browns i speak of and the clears are 62g
browns are barely tactile... with lube.. they're not tactile at all.. just a slight swoop feeling...
same goes for clears.. if you lube the 2x stem legs, it just doesn't feel tactile.
here i am thinking that 62g korean springs are similar to blues or browns. GLOD is making me second guess myself.
here i am thinking that 62g korean springs are similar to blues or browns. GLOD is making me second guess myself.
here i am thinking that 62g korean springs are similar to blues or browns. GLOD is making me second guess myself.
They are the most similar :mad:
http://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=54366.msg1217975#msg1217975
(compare light blue with dark blue)
here i am thinking that 62g korean springs are similar to blues or browns. GLOD is making me second guess myself.
I didn't mean to give that idea!
62g are similar to brown springs, but clears sliders are like super holy-**** tactile, like when i first felt clears i don't know if anyone else was like me but i was surprised on just how tactile they are and i personally think the tactility makes it seem heavier.
But that's just me and my weak fingers. I like super light switches honestly, my favorite switch is actually blue switches with 45g korean springs; every time i type on those i actually start to cry a little because how good they are for me , but my wife complains about the sound they make so i decided to give full on ergo clear a shot and after many hours doing the soldering and lubing i have to say crap i don't know if i can commit to this just because she doesnt like the sound of my favorite switch
I don't even know why I'm getting blues on my latest ErgoDox, clears are "clearly" the best.
*ducks*
I don't even know why I'm getting blues on my latest ErgoDox, clears are "clearly" the best.
*ducks*
No..........?
Blue is most technologically-advanced switch... an engineering masterpiece.
-reduced friction points
-audible click to enhance tactile response
---- this feature is impressive because it increases the perceived tactility of the switch WITHOUT increasing the actual perceived FRICTION...
MX Blue is Genius....
Well I lubed and spring swapped brand new clears without trying stock clears or letting them break in. I did everything wrong apparently.
Well I lubed and spring swapped brand new clears without trying stock clears or letting them break in. I did everything wrong apparently.
Who cares bro my first touch with clears was 62g ergo clears. I upgraded some of the springs to 65g/67g in the middle of the board. feels good man. i think 65g is my favorite out of the three. but 62g is pretty awesome too.
what are the strength of the stock clears springs? 65g? 70g?
i am now thinking i may try the stock clears i ordered for a month or two before attempting to lube them unless my fingers get real tired real quick. i am a blues man myself who disliked browns.
what are the strength of the stock clears springs? 65g? 70g?
i am now thinking i may try the stock clears i ordered for a month or two before attempting to lube them unless my fingers get real tired real quick. i am a blues man myself who disliked browns.
Ahh, thanks.
Does anyone know where I can pick up Krytox now that the Geekhack store is closed? I don't need much, right?
Try ebay for the Krytox.
Ahh, thanks.
Does anyone know where I can pick up Krytox now that the Geekhack store is closed? I don't need much, right?
Try ebay for the Krytox.
actually please don't buy krytox on ebay. for the prices i'm seeing, it's most likely cut with another substance. i can sell krytox directly, and i'll make an announcement shortly on who will be selling geekhackers krytox kits
Ahh, thanks.
Does anyone know where I can pick up Krytox now that the Geekhack store is closed? I don't need much, right?
Try ebay for the Krytox.
actually please don't buy krytox on ebay. for the prices i'm seeing, it's most likely cut with another substance. i can sell krytox directly, and i'll make an announcement shortly on who will be selling geekhackers krytox kits
i know mechanicalkeyboards.com was asking about getting into lube the other day maybe they could sell it to, might reach a wider audience.
what are the strength of the stock clears springs? 65g? 70g?
i am now thinking i may try the stock clears i ordered for a month or two before attempting to lube them unless my fingers get real tired real quick. i am a blues man myself who disliked browns.
Around 95g afaik...
Ahh, thanks.
Does anyone know where I can pick up Krytox now that the Geekhack store is closed? I don't need much, right?
Try ebay for the Krytox.
actually please don't buy krytox on ebay. for the prices i'm seeing, it's most likely cut with another substance. i can sell krytox directly, and i'll make an announcement shortly on who will be selling geekhackers krytox kits
what are the strength of the stock clears springs? 65g? 70g?
i am now thinking i may try the stock clears i ordered for a month or two before attempting to lube them unless my fingers get real tired real quick. i am a blues man myself who disliked browns.
what are the strength of the stock clears springs? 65g? 70g?
i am now thinking i may try the stock clears i ordered for a month or two before attempting to lube them unless my fingers get real tired real quick. i am a blues man myself who disliked browns.
The thing about stock clears is that they have a significantly different force curve than most other Cherry springs. The "ramp" of stiffness is much stiffer. At the top of the stroke they're quite soft, but rapidly increase in stiffness as you depress the switch. IMO this gives them a much softer feel than the other Cherry switches.
i wouldn't call that "significantly" different..
Other heavy switches, you mean, right? Because even before actuation they're much heavier than "MX light" switches (blues, browns, reds).
You don't have to like clicky! Personally, I'm not a fan of blues or BS. Tactile and linear all the way!
I don't think there's a way to buy clear springs on their own. After I do the ergo clear mod on my filco, though, I might not need mine, in which case I'd happily send them to you.
Jumped on that opportunity!You don't have to like clicky! Personally, I'm not a fan of blues or BS. Tactile and linear all the way!
I don't think there's a way to buy clear springs on their own. After I do the ergo clear mod on my filco, though, I might not need mine, in which case I'd happily send them to you.
Sweet! pm sent with shipping address.
what are the strength of the stock clears springs? 65g? 70g?
i am now thinking i may try the stock clears i ordered for a month or two before attempting to lube them unless my fingers get real tired real quick. i am a blues man myself who disliked browns.
Stock clears are pretty stiff. I have blues, blacks and clears and the stiffest, by far, is the clear.
What part of the switch should be above the plate to tell if it is moodable with no desoldering?
What is a good TKL board to buy where it is easy to change all the switches to clears? I bought a board with Clears built-in, not knowing it would be difficult to open the switches up.
Oh that sucks. I don't think I'm willing to go through that surgery.
I think the point was so he didn't have to solder, though.Oh that sucks. I don't think I'm willing to go through that surgery.
Know that I'm a little biased, since I usually prefer lighter keyswitches, but I much prefer 62g springs to the stock clear ones. They make the switch feel much more tactile.The 62g Korean springs ARE lighter than the stock clear ones.
Know that I'm a little biased, since I usually prefer lighter keyswitches, but I much prefer 62g springs to the stock clear ones. They make the switch feel much more tactile.The 62g Korean springs ARE lighter than the stock clear ones.
Know that I'm a little biased, since I usually prefer lighter keyswitches, but I much prefer 62g springs to the stock clear ones. They make the switch feel much more tactile.The 62g Korean springs ARE lighter than the stock clear ones.
I had a user on GH unsolder the switches for me on my new Keycool Cherry MX Clear based board and put on 65g Korean springs. Wow...this is easily the best Cherry based keyboard I've used. 67g might be slightly better, but this is fine. I still prefer Topre, but I now finally have a Cherry board that is sufficient to use as a backup.
Very nice feeling for those who want a bump before it breaks (a la Topre, a la buckling spring). Although compared to Topre, it still feels somewhat cheap, but not as much as Reds/Browns (which feel like a Playskool toy)