Post by: Matt3o on Wed, 12 August 2015, 13:11:39
I have some creativity freedom but I want to keep it simple. First of all the font will most likely be something very Helvetica-like, but I will probably test something different too. Secondly we will correct all the weird legends that currently plague the Realforce.
I also have the green light for asking suggestions to the community, so here I am.
Here below you'll find 3 color ways I'm toying with. I will be pushing for icon modifiers, but I included the text mods as well in case Topre wanted to go more traditional. Please note that they are not final! They are just drafts, the legends need a lot of fixing, but I wanted to show the work in progress anyway.
(http://i.imgur.com/slo4AcA.png)
(http://i.imgur.com/PujK59t.png)
(http://i.imgur.com/mqdkHWO.png)
(http://i.imgur.com/GLn4x63.png)
(http://i.imgur.com/WGwpzeH.png)
Post by: RoastPotatoes on Wed, 12 August 2015, 13:13:18
Post by: T0mb3ry on Wed, 12 August 2015, 13:15:32
Can you provide us some info about possible profiles?
Post by: VesperSAINT on Wed, 12 August 2015, 13:16:02
Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/mqdkHWO.png)
This is pretty awesome ~ Matt3o with the Topre goodness again ~
In for thissss with traditional legends or blanks ~ I'll have to camp on this one ~
Post by: byker on Wed, 12 August 2015, 13:16:15
Post by: Lastpilot on Wed, 12 August 2015, 13:16:43
I have to ask though, did you mention blanks at all?
Post by: Michael on Wed, 12 August 2015, 13:19:26
Post by: Lastpilot on Wed, 12 August 2015, 13:20:09
I would really love to have a blank 10th anniversary colorway set+1 that would probably be my first choice now that you mention it
Post by: Matt3o on Wed, 12 August 2015, 13:21:07
This is awesome news! I'd probably want a purple or pink set, but I understand if its not what most people want.
I have to ask though, did you mention blanks at all?
actually purple would be nice...
(If you want my opinion :P)
I do! I wouldn't have asked otherwise :D
I would really love to have a blank 10th anniversary colorway set
This would be technically feasible I believe (all dye-sub sets are born blank)
Post by: jwaz on Wed, 12 August 2015, 13:21:41
I would really love to have a blank 10th anniversary colorway set
This would be pretty cool.
I wonder if they would be willing to consider HHKB kits...
Post by: swill on Wed, 12 August 2015, 13:22:24
Post by: Michael on Wed, 12 August 2015, 13:22:53
Post by: Michael on Wed, 12 August 2015, 13:23:11
HHKB kits...
Yes!
Post by: alienman82 on Wed, 12 August 2015, 13:24:52
Post by: VesperSAINT on Wed, 12 August 2015, 13:25:19
I would really love to have a blank 10th anniversary colorway set
+100. WAAAAANT SO BADDDDDD.
consider HHKB kits...
would kill for this tooooo ~ dat right shift T_T
Post by: strict on Wed, 12 August 2015, 13:27:49
Will these be PBT or ABS sets?
Post by: Matt3o on Wed, 12 August 2015, 13:29:29
Will these be PBT or ABS sets?
PBT all the way!
Post by: VesperSAINT on Wed, 12 August 2015, 13:32:06
PBT all the way!
(http://media.giphy.com/media/IxCsy7WWjyB2g/giphy.gif)
Post by: retrochick on Wed, 12 August 2015, 13:32:21
Post by: byker on Wed, 12 August 2015, 13:33:12
- I would LOVE purple or pink
- I would LOVE blanks
- I would LOVE an included short shift for hhkb.
Many thanks matt3o!
Post by: Matt3o on Wed, 12 August 2015, 13:34:37
Post by: Lurch on Wed, 12 August 2015, 13:35:12
Post by: Michael on Wed, 12 August 2015, 13:35:36
unfortunately HHKB and Leopold compatibility won't be possible, at least not this time.
(http://i.imgur.com/ODCm1OL.gif)
Post by: VesperSAINT on Wed, 12 August 2015, 13:40:47
unfortunately HHKB and Leopold compatibility won't be possible, at least not this time.
(http://mrwgifs.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/12/Angry-Tom-Cruise-Throws-His-Peanut-Butter-Jam-Sandwiches-At-The-Window-In-War-of-the-Worlds.gif)
Oh well~ maybe next time~
I'm more than happy that something new is coming along though ~ : D
note: I'm not doing a Tom Cruise train. Just a coincidence it matched the context ~
Post by: scubaste on Wed, 12 August 2015, 13:44:25
Post by: Matt3o on Wed, 12 August 2015, 13:49:31
Post by: nubbinator on Wed, 12 August 2015, 13:50:07
Also sad about no HHKB.
Post by: nathanrosspowell on Wed, 12 August 2015, 13:53:11
I really like the yellows and the purples :eek: Shame I only have a HHKB atm.
Post by: FrostyToast on Wed, 12 August 2015, 13:54:27
Otherwise the other sets are all good looking.
Also: blanks are a must... Not too fond of the legends on the realforce boards.
Post by: Sifo on Wed, 12 August 2015, 13:56:08
Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/mqdkHWO.png)
This is pretty awesome ~ Matt3o with the Topre goodness again ~
In for thissss with traditional legends or blanks ~ I'll have to camp on this one ~
finally something I can agree on from vesper
Post by: osi on Wed, 12 August 2015, 14:02:58
Post by: VesperSAINT on Wed, 12 August 2015, 14:04:13
finally something I can agree on from vesper
Baby~ I'm always on your side. You just play hard to get ;)
Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/WGwpzeH.png)
Dat purp game is pretty strong... Hmmmm~
Not sure how I feel about legends on Purple caps though. That one might be more appealing blank...
but then who am I kidding~ blanks always appeal most :P
Post by: esoomenona on Wed, 12 August 2015, 14:28:01
Post by: temporal on Wed, 12 August 2015, 14:29:53
Post by: esoomenona on Wed, 12 August 2015, 14:30:51
Post by: digi on Wed, 12 August 2015, 14:30:56
Dat purp game is pretty strong... Hmmmm~
+1, not mad at the purp.
Post by: Matt3o on Wed, 12 August 2015, 14:37:51
And will the spacebars be PBT on these?
you betcha :)
Post by: geniekid on Wed, 12 August 2015, 15:32:15
Post by: jackiecanev2 on Wed, 12 August 2015, 15:36:52
Also, I would buy ANY of those, not that that's helpful....
Post by: KRKS on Wed, 12 August 2015, 16:00:57
Also, if they decide to use text modifiers, could you at least ask them to either keep or add two caps with diamonds? HHKB has diamond and text mods, but I'm not sure if that's a good enough argument.
Post by: Matt3o on Wed, 12 August 2015, 16:19:01
When you say "release a new official keycap set" does that mean RF will be selling the sets standalone, or will they only be available on the ltd edition board of the year or whatnot (a la anniversary and the 89s world editions)?
that yet to be decided, but I'm guessing it will simply be a keyset you can buy separately
Post by: Findecanor on Wed, 12 August 2015, 16:21:00
If the alphanumeric keys are centred, then I think that the 1u modifiers should also have centred legends. But larger keys are not so straightforward to make look good.
In my opinion, centred legends on large modifiers don't look right. I think that Cherry solved this quite well on the MX-board 2.0 and 3.0 by aligning modifier legends in columns as if the legends were centred on 1u keys. Almost, because the legends on the 2u high keys should not have been at the top or bottom. Top and bottom are for when a key has a different meaning with and without Shift, and keypad-Enter doesn't.
Post by: kennardsmith on Wed, 12 August 2015, 16:35:37
Of the designs posted, the gray alphas with teal(?) mods looks the most realforce-y to me. My favorite of the designs is the one with white alphas with the blue symbol mods.
I would love to see a hi-pro topre keyset with big legends like round 5! mmmm.
Post by: strict on Wed, 12 August 2015, 16:57:45
Will these be PBT or ABS sets?
PBT all the way!
Excellent! Will these be the same thickness as the OEM Realforce/HHKB keys or is there a possibility of thicker ones? Thicker keys like CCs/BBs thunk so nicely when pressed, I would kill to have all the keys sound closer to that.
I'm think I like the grey & yellow color way the most, followed very closely by the grey & teal set.
Post by: colomb on Wed, 12 August 2015, 20:39:38
Are the colors from the top two schemes supposed to match colors from current RF keycap sets? The black on grey looks similar to what ships with the 87U EK edition, while the orange/yellow looks close the the orange set that was available in the past.
Although I find the black on grey somewhat hard to read, those top two color schemes look great.
Post by: stoic-lemon on Wed, 12 August 2015, 21:35:15
Post by: rowdy on Wed, 12 August 2015, 21:43:24
Congrats, Matt3o, on this wonderful opportunity :)
A shame about lack of HHKB compatibility, but good news on the PBT space bar.
I prefer the white alphas blue modifiers one, but what about yellow alphas and blue modifiers?`
Post by: Gaspar on Wed, 12 August 2015, 21:46:54
Post by: swill on Wed, 12 August 2015, 22:04:39
unfortunately HHKB and Leopold compatibility won't be possible, at least not this time.Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/ODCm1OL.gif)
Sad Panda... :( One extra Shift key is that hard to add to the kit. Can you make a case for it??? I believe in you...
Post by: Air tree on Wed, 12 August 2015, 22:33:09
But anyways I would be pumped for the blue and grey set. ;)
Post by: Gaspar on Wed, 12 August 2015, 22:51:50
The granite set is one of my all time favorite so my preference would go toward something like it!
That said, of the layouts displayed, blue and grey is my favorite.
Post by: Matt3o on Thu, 13 August 2015, 00:40:13
Are the colors from the top two schemes supposed to match colors from current RF keycap sets? The black on grey looks similar to what ships with the 87U EK edition, while the orange/yellow looks close the the orange set that was available in the past.
no they are not. gray is lighter, yellow is in between topre-yellow and topre-orange.
Will there be a JIS set?
that's up to Topre. I don't have info about it.
I prefer the white alphas blue modifiers one, but what about yellow alphas and blue modifiers?`
I'm not a huge fan on yellow+blue. It reminds me of a flag or a football team :)
Post by: asdfjkl36 on Thu, 13 August 2015, 00:44:49
Maybe purple
Post by: Stev on Thu, 13 August 2015, 01:25:04
I like #4 the most by far, would you consider adding a white and light purple option as well?
If you do I will be crazy excited
Post by: rowdy on Thu, 13 August 2015, 02:07:27
I prefer the white alphas blue modifiers one, but what about yellow alphas and blue modifiers?`
I'm not a huge fan on yellow+blue. It reminds me of a flag or a football team :)
It actually reminds me of the Ukrainian flag, especially lighter yellow and blue (even aqua).
But black on white alphas half of us already have - so producing a new set with those would not really be anything new.
Post by: sth on Thu, 13 August 2015, 02:58:41
Post by: Bomble on Thu, 13 August 2015, 03:04:49
That said my preferences are any of the 2-colour sets, with my favourite being the dark grey & purple. Purple is the best colour and saying otherwise is blasphemy.
Post by: sth on Thu, 13 August 2015, 03:09:57
Jizzing left right and centre over here.
cmon son
Post by: Bomble on Thu, 13 August 2015, 03:25:43
Jizzing left right and centre over here.
cmon son
watchu mean
Post by: KnivesM on Thu, 13 August 2015, 03:42:57
Post by: oscillik on Thu, 13 August 2015, 05:11:20
unfortunately HHKB and Leopold compatibility won't be possible, at least not this time.
(http://i.imgur.com/26k9Td7.gif)
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Of course, it's still very cool news though. I have a TKL Realforce I could put these on ;)
Post by: sth on Thu, 13 August 2015, 05:16:16
Post by: Matt3o on Thu, 13 August 2015, 07:08:57
matt3o - i get that/why hhkb is not on the table; however, if we are dealing with blanks at some point, would throwing in additional keys for ISO/JIS support be considered? That would end up including all the keys necessary for HHKB (not sure about leopolds) including short right shift AND be beneficial to int'l users.
I'll try, but the Topre guys were adamantine about HHKB compatibility.
Post by: henz on Thu, 13 August 2015, 07:12:26
Post by: sth on Thu, 13 August 2015, 07:15:04
matt3o - i get that/why hhkb is not on the table; however, if we are dealing with blanks at some point, would throwing in additional keys for ISO/JIS support be considered? That would end up including all the keys necessary for HHKB (not sure about leopolds) including short right shift AND be beneficial to int'l users.
I'll try, but the Topre guys were adamantine about HHKB compatibility.
As in, absolutely not whatsoever? Interesting :)
Post by: romevi on Thu, 13 August 2015, 07:43:12
Some at DT were talking about add-on kits...matt3o - i get that/why hhkb is not on the table; however, if we are dealing with blanks at some point, would throwing in additional keys for ISO/JIS support be considered? That would end up including all the keys necessary for HHKB (not sure about leopolds) including short right shift AND be beneficial to int'l users.
I'll try, but the Topre guys were adamantine about HHKB compatibility.
As in, absolutely not whatsoever? Interesting :)
Post by: yomammary on Thu, 13 August 2015, 07:46:19
All of them look great.
Post by: iamtootallforthis on Thu, 13 August 2015, 09:26:04
Post by: a_ak57 on Thu, 13 August 2015, 09:43:43
matt3o - i get that/why hhkb is not on the table; however, if we are dealing with blanks at some point, would throwing in additional keys for ISO/JIS support be considered? That would end up including all the keys necessary for HHKB (not sure about leopolds) including short right shift AND be beneficial to int'l users.
I'll try, but the Topre guys were adamantine about HHKB compatibility.
This whole thing is really cool, but dang about HHKB not even remotely being a possibility.
Post by: Bucake on Thu, 13 August 2015, 10:09:30
if yes then i would totally love a blank beige/blue 10th anniversary keyset, without side-printing.
edit: an extra Esc key would also be nice! and i would love windows keys without the weird shiny "bubbles" on them. but these would just be nice bonuses :D
and tbh i would also buy a normal white/grey blank set :D boring, eh? well what can i say, i just love that simple color combo..
btw i really dig the icons + font you use on your versions, looks very slick. i'm hoping they'll go with those
Post by: swill on Thu, 13 August 2015, 15:52:05
matt3o - i get that/why hhkb is not on the table; however, if we are dealing with blanks at some point, would throwing in additional keys for ISO/JIS support be considered? That would end up including all the keys necessary for HHKB (not sure about leopolds) including short right shift AND be beneficial to int'l users.
I'll try, but the Topre guys were adamantine about HHKB compatibility.
But FC660C compatibility can be achieved by only adding one extra key that already exists in the set. So instead of one 2.25u Shift, it would have 2 of them. That MUST be possible... :)
Post by: btctopre on Thu, 13 August 2015, 16:15:47
But FC660C compatibility can be achieved by only adding one extra key that already exists in the set. So instead of one 2.25u Shift, it would have 2 of them. That MUST be possible... :)dat bottom row doe
Post by: swill on Thu, 13 August 2015, 16:24:36
Ahhh, my bad. I was thinking the RF had 1.25u bottom row. Sry... :(But FC660C compatibility can be achieved by only adding one extra key that already exists in the set. So instead of one 2.25u Shift, it would have 2 of them. That MUST be possible... :)dat bottom row doe
Post by: Niomosy on Thu, 13 August 2015, 16:57:21
Might have to reconsider waiting for a Realforce 45g over the NovaTouch :D
Post by: deci on Thu, 13 August 2015, 17:23:18
Out of those ones though... grey and blue are definitely my preference.
Post by: Bomble on Thu, 13 August 2015, 19:29:50
Even though it's unlikely, I would love the original Granite color scheme.
Out of those ones though... grey and blue are definitely my preference.
Isn't that the same as the white RF caps?
Post by: raymogi on Thu, 13 August 2015, 19:33:46
Post by: rsadek on Thu, 13 August 2015, 20:00:20
Instead of neutral alphas and colorful mods, colorful alphas w/ neutral mods could be nice
I'd love to see pink keys. Topre made a limited edition in pink, which was lovely. PBT takes color so nicely, you could use new colors like a watermelon pink or magenta. Or a deep crimson / wine red. That would be beautiful.
-R
Post by: FrostyToast on Thu, 13 August 2015, 20:19:29
No way.
Post by: Vizir on Thu, 13 August 2015, 20:20:22
Post by: Air tree on Thu, 13 August 2015, 21:44:12
What profile are these going to be?Whatever standard topre profile is. OEM-ish I guess?
I doubt they'd produce some other profile that their own. :)
Post by: U47 on Thu, 13 August 2015, 22:19:09
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Post by: U47 on Thu, 13 August 2015, 23:13:14
That would end up including all the keys necessary for HHKB
Post by: ileben on Thu, 13 August 2015, 23:17:52
I vote for the bottom versions with the icons, just because it's so hard to find realforces with custom caps, I think icon legends push it just more out there and gives it the uniqueness that's sorely needed in the RF world.
I find it really hard to pick a favourite so I won't vote. If they were all avaiable I'd probably just buy all of them.
Post by: olijuice on Fri, 14 August 2015, 00:28:54
Also, with your knowledge and experience with the spacebars, and what you will learn with this new project would it be possible to make a separate GB with just the parts needed to complete an FC660C and a HHKB?
Post by: rowdy on Fri, 14 August 2015, 00:40:58
Post by: Matt3o on Fri, 14 August 2015, 01:07:02
Matt3o: Are you at liberty to say how you came to be in a position to be selected to design this set?
honestly, I don't know. I believe the work I did with the spacebar helped.
Post by: romevi on Fri, 14 August 2015, 01:13:00
honestly, I don't know. I believe theworkI did with the spacebar helped.
"honestly, I don't know. I believe the magic I did with the spacebar helped."
ftfy
Post by: sth on Fri, 14 August 2015, 01:29:33
Sorry, I haven't seen a JIS Realforce set. I'm assuming it would obviously not include an ANSI spacebar, though, right?That would end up including all the keys necessary for HHKB
yeah i meant more like an all-in-one pack for ansi+jis
Post by: rsadek on Fri, 14 August 2015, 01:46:56
Colourful alphas with neutral mods just looks gross every time.Oh. Well it seemed like a nice idea. Do you have any pics you could post which demonstrate the ugliness?
No way.
Post by: invisuu on Fri, 14 August 2015, 02:44:53
Are these going to be available in blank flavor as well?
Post by: Matt3o on Fri, 14 August 2015, 02:52:01
Well, the teal/grey combo always comes out nice.
Are these going to be available in blank flavor as well?
I don't know yet.
Post by: deci on Fri, 14 August 2015, 02:56:51
Even though it's unlikely, I would love the original Granite color scheme.
Out of those ones though... grey and blue are definitely my preference.
Isn't that the same as the white RF caps?
The alphas are close but the mods on the RF are more like classic beige mods, and granite is a different grey.
I guess they are kind of close though. What I had in mind was more like the full granite set with blue enter and the other color options.
Not to mention the granite icons.
On a completely different and more important note.
Any chance we can get these in Blanks???
Post by: luminor on Fri, 14 August 2015, 06:36:21
Post by: Matt3o on Fri, 14 August 2015, 06:52:27
Post by: sth on Fri, 14 August 2015, 07:32:57
Post by: absyrd on Fri, 14 August 2015, 07:42:07
Post by: Hypersphere on Fri, 14 August 2015, 07:58:43
Post by: iamtootallforthis on Fri, 14 August 2015, 10:02:30
Post by: esoomenona on Fri, 14 August 2015, 10:11:03
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Post by: sth on Fri, 14 August 2015, 11:20:18
Post by: Hypersphere on Fri, 14 August 2015, 11:27:39
You can still get black and white sets for the HHKB from EK, but no sets for RF boards are available from them. There is a seller on eBay who has some RF sets, but the only colors now in stock are white, green, and orange. I haven't seen blank sets for RF. You can buy an RF keyboard with black legends on dark gray, but these are not true blanks.It is great to have an opportunity to purchase new Topre keycap sets. Unfortunately (for me), I do not like any of the sample colorways. My own preference is for colors that were used in previous Topre sets, such as English White, English Blue, and Black (or very dark Grey). In particular, I like Blue alphas and Black mods, preferably blanks. Thanks.
The thing about that is those colored caps are still available, so if that's your preference, you can piece something together. We should be focusing on something that isn't possible with the currently available options, something new.
A style that I like that would be completely new to Topre is Olivetti -- white or cream alphas and light gray mods with blue legends.
Post by: esoomenona on Fri, 14 August 2015, 13:02:58
Post by: Hypersphere on Fri, 14 August 2015, 18:03:17
My favorite is the black legends on blue, which look rather good with black mods and red accents, as seen below on my HHKB:
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I had hoped to put blue alphas on a RF 87UB, but it looks like there are no more blue sets available. Therefore, I hope that matt3o will consider putting the blue color on his list.
Post by: romevi on Fri, 14 August 2015, 19:47:30
I just received a message from "widebasket", a vendor from S. Korea who has an eBay store. He has been the main source of Topre keycap sets outside of Japan. He said that Leopold and Topre are out of stock of their Topre keycap sets for Realforce 87/104 keyboards and they do not plan to make more. His blue and red sets are out of stock and will not be replenished. He still has some white, green, and orange sets, but when these are gone, apparently they will not be replenished.Ah, crap. I knew I shouldn't have hesitated when the blue was still in stock.
My favorite is the black legends on blue, which look rather good with black mods and red accents, as seen below on my HHKB:
(Attachment Link)
I had hoped to put blue alphas on a RF 87UB, but it looks like there are no more blue sets available. Therefore, I hope that matt3o will consider putting the blue color on his list.
Oh, well. At least now I have matt3o's to look forward to!
Post by: colomb on Fri, 14 August 2015, 20:16:01
I just received a message from "widebasket", a vendor from S. Korea who has an eBay store. He has been the main source of Topre keycap sets outside of Japan. He said that Leopold and Topre are out of stock of their Topre keycap sets for Realforce 87/104 keyboards and they do not plan to make more. His blue and red sets are out of stock and will not be replenished. He still has some white, green, and orange sets, but when these are gone, apparently they will not be replenished.
My favorite is the black legends on blue, which look rather good with black mods and red accents, as seen below on my HHKB:
(Attachment Link)
I had hoped to put blue alphas on a RF 87UB, but it looks like there are no more blue sets available. Therefore, I hope that matt3o will consider putting the blue color on his list.
I bought one of the black on orange sets from him. They are manufactured by Leopold, no? Does Leopold also manufacture the stock keycaps for the RF boards? Will Leopold be manufacturing these?
Matt3o, any chance we could get these caps to be a little thicker than the stock RF caps? I've got black on grey and black on blue IMSTO caps on my NovaTouch and wish I could get something as thick on my RF boards.
Post by: Hypersphere on Fri, 14 August 2015, 21:01:03
Post by: Matt3o on Sat, 15 August 2015, 00:37:18
Post by: rsadek on Sat, 15 August 2015, 01:00:08
I do not work with pink, liliac, pale yellow, tea green or any pastel color :p
Pastel pink is terrible. We mean real pink. Like watermelon pink, rose pink, even hot pink. These are great colors.
Post by: Matt3o on Sat, 15 August 2015, 11:37:03
I do not work with pink, liliac, pale yellow, tea green or any pastel color :p
Pastel pink is terrible. We mean real pink. Like watermelon pink, rose pink, even hot pink. These are great colors.
I'm okay with that :)
Post by: Kinaesthetic on Sat, 15 August 2015, 20:59:22
Either way, this is incredible news! Just hope it doesn't go through MD though.....especially after their TA debacle.
Post by: livingspeedbump on Sat, 15 August 2015, 23:49:02
Personally i like the dark grey sets with the blue/purple/or orange modifiers. Dark colors and RF just seem to go together imo.
Post by: GL1TCH3D on Sat, 15 August 2015, 23:50:13
I'm happy with my current set but it's really nice to see Topre move into aftermarket sets.
Post by: Proyal on Sat, 15 August 2015, 23:55:03
Hi Pro?
Personally i like the dark grey sets with the blue/purple/or orange modifiers. Dark colors and RF just seem to go together imo.
Yes i hope that is possible i would love a set of hi pro as well, seeing as the only way to get them currently is to buy the uber expensive real force anniversary edition
Post by: GL1TCH3D on Sun, 16 August 2015, 01:12:56
Hi Pro?
Personally i like the dark grey sets with the blue/purple/or orange modifiers. Dark colors and RF just seem to go together imo.
Yes i hope that is possible i would love a set of hi pro as well, seeing as the only way to get them currently is to buy the uber expensive real force anniversary edition
I doubt they'd do hipro since they would only fit on the hipro models.
Post by: rowdy on Sun, 16 August 2015, 01:20:20
honestly, I don't know. I believe theworkI did with the spacebar helped.
"honestly, I don't know. I believe the magic I did with the spacebar helped."
ftfy
QFT
Post by: U47 on Sun, 16 August 2015, 01:23:21
Post by: rsadek on Sun, 16 August 2015, 01:34:09
My vote would be side for something with side legends. It's just a look that doesn't really exist in Topre-land (aside from soft numpad on 87U). And I think green on charcoal looks nice :)
It does look nice. I believe since the keys use dye-sublimated legends, the legend has to be darker than the key. Dark dye on light key works well; light dye on darker key (sadly) does not. So, I think they can't do green on dark.
Post by: Bomble on Sun, 16 August 2015, 02:08:28
MyMy vote would be side for something with side legends. It's just a look that doesn't really exist in Topre-land (aside from soft numpad on 87U). And I think green on charcoal looks nice :)
It does look nice. I believe since the keys use dye-sublimated legends, the legend has to be darker than the key. Dark dye on light key works well; light dye on darker key (sadly) does not. So, I think they can't do green on dark.
I guess theoretically they could start with a lighter colour cap, and then dye-sub the darker colour everywhere except the legend? Probably too difficult/not possible though. Just a thought.
Post by: astromazzy on Sun, 16 August 2015, 02:18:13
My vote would be side for something with side legends. It's just a look that doesn't really exist in Topre-land (aside from soft numpad on 87U). And I think green on charcoal looks nice :)That *is* nice. Even though lighter legends isn't something that can happen, I think that those two colours together as a set would be great.
Post by: GenKaan on Sun, 16 August 2015, 04:02:46
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Post by: Bomble on Sun, 16 August 2015, 09:29:39
1976.. Nuff said
As much as stand-out custom colourways like this would be really cool - I doubt Topre would want to officially manufacture them :(
Post by: Evo_Spec on Sun, 16 August 2015, 10:11:45
Post by: GL1TCH3D on Sun, 16 August 2015, 11:02:44
I don't have a Topre board (yet) but i'm really happy to see this happening for you guys.>lives in Japan
>doesn't have a Topre board
I don't understand
Post by: Evo_Spec on Sun, 16 August 2015, 11:05:36
I will take donations to buy some off yahoo auctions at good prices =)I don't have a Topre board (yet) but i'm really happy to see this happening for you guys.>lives in Japan
>doesn't have a Topre board
I don't understand
And actually it's because instead of buying a Japanese topre board, I bought a Japanese twin turbo charged 4wd beast =)
Post by: Mooksie on Sun, 16 August 2015, 11:37:23
Post by: FunkMasterJ on Sun, 16 August 2015, 11:51:56
Post by: martinyeah on Sun, 16 August 2015, 12:08:46
I have be waiting for the Topre keyset for a long time
Post by: Matt3o on Sun, 16 August 2015, 12:18:59
Post by: oscillik on Sun, 16 August 2015, 13:01:18
(http://vignette4.wikia.nocookie.net/kpwebb/images/1/1b/Awesome_Smiley_Original.jpg)
Post by: GL1TCH3D on Sun, 16 August 2015, 14:32:08
I'll trade Topre for carI will take donations to buy some off yahoo auctions at good prices =)I don't have a Topre board (yet) but i'm really happy to see this happening for you guys.>lives in Japan
>doesn't have a Topre board
I don't understand
And actually it's because instead of buying a Japanese topre board, I bought a Japanese twin turbo charged 4wd beast =)
Post by: do_Og@n on Sun, 16 August 2015, 15:57:56
Post by: blazzo on Sun, 16 August 2015, 20:50:12
Post by: colomb on Sun, 16 August 2015, 23:14:05
Thicker PBT is not necessarily better. Topre caps are designed for Topre switches; it is the unification of structure that yields excellent function.
If there is anything I've learned about keyboards over the past year or so, it's that you don't know until you try it. I'm speculating that I would prefer thicker caps on an RF board, and as it stands I probably won't be able to test that out, but I'd certainly love to.
Post by: GL1TCH3D on Sun, 16 August 2015, 23:37:23
Thicker PBT is not necessarily better. Topre caps are designed for Topre switches; it is the unification of structure that yields excellent function.
If there is anything I've learned about keyboards over the past year or so, it's that you don't know until you try it. I'm speculating that I would prefer thicker caps on an RF board, and as it stands I probably won't be able to test that out, but I'd certainly love to.
http://i.imgur.com/hHn9JdJ.jpg
Post by: Remenition on Sun, 16 August 2015, 23:59:54
Post by: just66in on Mon, 17 August 2015, 08:52:23
Post by: czarek on Mon, 17 August 2015, 16:20:34
https://imgur.com/gallery/K48jk/
Post by: Remenition on Mon, 17 August 2015, 16:39:47
You know I don't like pink keycaps sets but I have a strange feeling that this set would perfectly match Realforce keyboards:Oh my god I would cry tears of happiness... but it wasn't designed by Matt3o...
https://imgur.com/gallery/K48jk/
Post by: esoomenona on Mon, 17 August 2015, 16:59:39
Post by: ibk11 on Mon, 17 August 2015, 17:01:01
Obviously colour is a very personal choice, so maybe it makes sense to sell the modifiers and alphas in a few different separate colour packs so the user can mix-and-match how they wish. My own preference is for something a bit "less is more" - i.e. a colour-scheme that doesn't look too Fisher-Price or unprofessional in an office context, maybe with modifiers darker than alphanumeric keys, and all fn keys the same colour as the modifiers (don't know why, but I dislike the alternating coloured function keys).
I hasten to add - since the only TKL RF board that is easily available in the UK right now has black-on-dark-grey keycaps and a fugly ABS spacebar... honestly I would be happy with absolutely any alternative keycap set for my RF board that is (a) available for UK layout and (b) not black-on-dark-grey.
Post by: Remenition on Mon, 17 August 2015, 17:05:08
damn that looks amazing...Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/gB5RBsr.jpg)
Post by: Hypersphere on Mon, 17 August 2015, 18:37:48
An example is the Classic Beige set from BSP. Legends could be Olivetti blue or dark green on creamy white alphas and beige modifiers. Legends would be in Helvetica font.
Post by: KRKS on Tue, 18 August 2015, 04:54:53
You know I don't like pink keycaps sets but I have a strange feeling that this set would perfectly match Realforce keyboards:
https://imgur.com/gallery/K48jk/
Yeah, if you remove the RCS colored caps(or limit them to just Esc) and make the whole nav cluster purple then it would present really nice and toned down.
Post by: cheebs on Tue, 18 August 2015, 09:51:13
Post by: cheebs on Tue, 18 August 2015, 09:59:51
Post by: czarek on Tue, 18 August 2015, 11:56:11
I'm using mainly Windows nowadays but my bottom row is remapped to this (from left to right) - mostly because I spent last 10 years using OS X as a primary OS:
Caps Lock, AltGr, Alt, Space, Windows, AltGr, Menu, Right Ctrl
Post by: Hypersphere on Tue, 18 August 2015, 19:14:42
Awesome. Can we do a very basic colorway, though? Something not so esoteric. Granite was excellent at this and I think that's a large reason as to why it sold so well. We've only got one shot, anyway.+1 for the classics. The Granite colorway is excellent. I also like color schemes based on light blue and light gray (or tan or beige), with some optional red accents. As for fonts, it is hard to beat classic genuine Helvetica.
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This evening, I installed my last remaining Topre blue alpha set on my black HHKB. Although Topre formerly had these produced, as far as I know they are not making them any longer and they are not available anywhere. Therefore, I would like to recommend this color for consideration.
Post by: U47 on Wed, 19 August 2015, 00:30:51
+1 for the classics. The Granite colorway is excellent. I also like color schemes based on light blue and light gray (or tan or beige), with some optional red accents. As for fonts, it is hard to beat classic genuine Helvetica.
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This evening, I installed my last remaining Topre blue alpha set on my black HHKB. Although Topre formerly had these produced, as far as I know they are not making them any longer and they are not available anywhere. Therefore, I would like to recommend this color for consideration.
Agreed. I would humbly suggest the lavender colorway. That might slake the thirst of everyone clamouring for purple.
Whatever the colour, keep things simple and classic. This needs to be popular enough to spur further Topre collaborations down the road, and that won't happen with wild and crazy.
Post by: Matt3o on Wed, 19 August 2015, 00:35:38
Post by: Matt3o on Wed, 19 August 2015, 01:37:10
(http://i.imgur.com/7aPI0Y6.png)
(http://i.imgur.com/EpVqoJl.png)
(http://i.imgur.com/k6be0nu.png)
(http://i.imgur.com/2OxflYJ.png)
(http://i.imgur.com/zhrTyRl.png)
Post by: romevi on Wed, 19 August 2015, 02:05:03
More optionsLovin the white on blue and the Honeywell schemes.Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/7aPI0Y6.png)Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/EpVqoJl.png)Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/k6be0nu.png)Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/2OxflYJ.png)Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/zhrTyRl.png)
Post by: sth on Wed, 19 August 2015, 02:15:36
Post by: TastaturenAuslese on Wed, 19 August 2015, 03:00:28
i like the idea of blank pink and grey+1
Post by: dustinhxc on Wed, 19 August 2015, 04:47:18
Post by: henz on Wed, 19 August 2015, 05:56:20
Post by: GL1TCH3D on Wed, 19 August 2015, 06:17:20
I'm guessing you have to narrow it down at some point?
Post by: Hypersphere on Wed, 19 August 2015, 08:29:29
I don't like pink at all.
Of these latest designs, my favorites are the first of the blue legends on white, but I would prefer light gray mods.
I also like the first of the last two designs with black legends on white alphas with dark gray mods and red accents. Perhaps the red accents could be options. In my case, I would prefer a blank red Right Control along with a blank red Esc.
I would also like to see options for the Tilde (~) and Pipe (|) keys to be the same color as the mods in order to provide color symmetry on the board.
Thanks for your efforts on this project -- much appreciated.
Post by: Matt3o on Wed, 19 August 2015, 10:00:55
I can't imagine Topre producing every single one of those options
I'm guessing you have to narrow it down at some point?
just one will be produced.
Post by: cheebs on Wed, 19 August 2015, 13:33:54
More optionsShow Image(http://i.imgur.com/7aPI0Y6.png)Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/EpVqoJl.png)Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/k6be0nu.png)Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/2OxflYJ.png)Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/zhrTyRl.png)
The last one! Reminds me of the JUST systems set.
Post by: jerue on Wed, 19 August 2015, 21:22:59
It'd ruin my current theme (black/silver/red), but it'd be so worth it. Maybe I'll get lucky and find someone willing to trade their yellow BBv2 to me :p
Post by: rsadek on Thu, 20 August 2015, 00:51:22
Post by: Heliobb on Thu, 20 August 2015, 02:19:44
(http://i.imgur.com/EpVqoJl.png)
Post by: moshimalloe on Thu, 20 August 2015, 02:30:39
Post by: deci on Thu, 20 August 2015, 03:08:43
Specially the last 2!!!
Post by: bocahgundul on Thu, 20 August 2015, 09:30:41
Post by: Remenition on Thu, 20 August 2015, 12:37:53
More optionshave you tried something with white + pink/purple?Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/7aPI0Y6.png)Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/EpVqoJl.png)Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/k6be0nu.png)Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/2OxflYJ.png)Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/zhrTyRl.png)
Post by: astromazzy on Fri, 21 August 2015, 01:39:35
I think the centered legends and icon modifiers look especially great!
Post by: Jedi on Fri, 21 August 2015, 07:40:37
First ever PBT Topre Spacebar, now FIRST EVER matt3o designed Topre keycaps.
+1 on Making the Alphas POP! (think bright white, solid black)
+1 on a Bright base kit (think light white/blue, light white/gray, white, champagne)
+1 on a Crisp Mod Kit (think blue, violet, orange, gray, gold)
+1 on accent highlight (think red, green) for ESC/Return/Shift
+1 on side printed legends for Realforce 87U standard FN+key press (top printed keycaps)
+1 on centered legends
-1 on dull colors (dull blues, dull grays, dull pink (sorry guys, not a fan personally but I respect you just the same)
-1 on faded lettering (thin font set, light gray)
Really looking for the final decision. When is the deadline?
Post by: Matt3o on Fri, 21 August 2015, 16:58:36
Post by: Hypersphere on Fri, 21 August 2015, 17:56:16
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Of the designs you have shown us thus far, I am not highly enthusiastic about any of them, but the one I like the most is shown below:
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Post by: romevi on Fri, 21 August 2015, 18:07:18
I liked the Penubra set design (but I missed the GB!)Yup. That Honeywell/Round 5 is definitely the best, and will go well in the office environment where I keep my Realforce.
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Of the designs you have shown us thus far, I am not highly enthusiastic about any of them, but the one I like the most is shown below:
(Attachment Link)
The white with blue legends looks fantastic too, and I hope that gets made somewhere down the road.
Post by: livingspeedbump on Sat, 22 August 2015, 00:12:53
I liked the Penubra set design (but I missed the GB!)Yup. That Honeywell/Round 5 is definitely the best, and will go well in the office environment where I keep my Realforce.
(Attachment Link)
Of the designs you have shown us thus far, I am not highly enthusiastic about any of them, but the one I like the most is shown below:
(Attachment Link)
The white with blue legends looks fantastic too, and I hope that gets made somewhere down the road.
Agreed, the Honeywell/Round 5 is killer, easily my favorite as well.
But heck, I can keep dreaming about a Penumbra hi pro topre set too, right?
Post by: Bomble on Sat, 22 August 2015, 00:15:30
I liked the Penubra set design (but I missed the GB!)Yup. That Honeywell/Round 5 is definitely the best, and will go well in the office environment where I keep my Realforce.
(Attachment Link)
Of the designs you have shown us thus far, I am not highly enthusiastic about any of them, but the one I like the most is shown below:
(Attachment Link)
The white with blue legends looks fantastic too, and I hope that gets made somewhere down the road.
Agreed, the Honeywell/Round 5 is killer, easily my favorite as well.
But heck, I can keep dreaming about a Penumbra hi pro topre set too, right?
I agree 100%
Probably going to have to end up modding an 87U or getting a Novatouch for penumbra on Topre though :(
Post by: rsadek on Sat, 22 August 2015, 02:02:25
I liked the Penubra set design (but I missed the GB!)Yup. That Honeywell/Round 5 is definitely the best, and will go well in the office environment where I keep my Realforce.
(Attachment Link)
Of the designs you have shown us thus far, I am not highly enthusiastic about any of them, but the one I like the most is shown below:
(Attachment Link)
The white with blue legends looks fantastic too, and I hope that gets made somewhere down the road.
Agreed, the Honeywell/Round 5 is killer, easily my favorite as well.
But heck, I can keep dreaming about a Penumbra hi pro topre set too, right?
I agree 100%
Probably going to have to end up modding an 87U or getting a Novatouch for penumbra on Topre though :(
There may be hope that JTK will make a penumbra Topre. HiPro Penumbra Topre is a taller order, but I'd definitely buy a set or five :)
I was way into penumbra, but when I saw the keys in person I felt underwhelmed. I feel there's a better version in our futures. Fingers crossed!
On topic again: I like the white/grey/red one too. And that gray/pink!
Post by: Kinaesthetic on Sat, 22 August 2015, 02:06:45
I liked the Penubra set design (but I missed the GB!)
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Of the designs you have shown us thus far, I am not highly enthusiastic about any of them, but the one I like the most is shown below:
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But the problem with that design that you like of his so much, is that it can basically be achieved with the existing colorways that have been produced. We should be aiming for new colorways produced from Topre. Something that doesn't particularly exist at this point in time. Something new.
Post by: Matt3o on Sat, 22 August 2015, 02:09:38
Post by: Bomble on Sat, 22 August 2015, 02:21:52
Honestly I see this set as a "special edition" or "limited edition", as such I believe we should dare a little. The default all black or white/gray RF keycaps are good enough if you want something sober, anyway Topre has the last word. I'll make some more tests today and I'll be narrowing down the options.I like the sound of this!!!
Post by: Bomble on Sat, 22 August 2015, 02:22:40
How2tapatalk
Post by: Bucake on Sat, 22 August 2015, 11:23:41
Honestly I see this set as a "special edition" or "limited edition", as such I believe we should dare a little. The default all black or white/gray RF keycaps are good enough if you want something sober, anyway Topre has the last word. I'll make some more tests today and I'll be narrowing down the options.
i agree.
though, i actually dig the plain color scheme of the stock white/grey RF. the problem for me are the legends :(
i had actually planned to get a 55g RF and a EK RF, so i could have the legends of the EK one and the domes of the 55g one..
and i'm not even a fan of the black RF :P
so i guess i'll wait to see what comes out of this :)
hopefully i like the winner enough to get your set + a 55g RF :cool:
Post by: dohbot on Sat, 22 August 2015, 14:36:09
Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/PujK59t.png)
I really like this one!
Post by: GL1TCH3D on Sun, 23 August 2015, 17:10:50
Honestly I see this set as a "special edition" or "limited edition", as such I believe we should dare a little. The default all black or white/gray RF keycaps are good enough if you want something sober, anyway Topre has the last word. I'll make some more tests today and I'll be narrowing down the options.
I'm sure the set will be popular no matter what so I'm with you that you want to be a bit more daring.
Whatever colorway you choose would be fine for most people. I think a lot of people are looking to add a bit of flair to their keyboards compared to the very neutral colors that the topre boards generally ship with without having to move to the novatouch sliders
Post by: dustinhxc on Sun, 23 August 2015, 17:49:42
Post by: Bomble on Sun, 23 August 2015, 20:50:55
Post by: dustinhxc on Sun, 23 August 2015, 21:00:38
I was wondering - would it be possible for the set to include caps to cover the four 1u caps on the top row of a 23U? (Esc, Tab, BS, Shift)
Also the 0, 00, -, +
Post by: Bomble on Sun, 23 August 2015, 22:52:33
Oh yeah, these too! :)I was wondering - would it be possible for the set to include caps to cover the four 1u caps on the top row of a 23U? (Esc, Tab, BS, Shift)
Also the 0, 00, -, +
Post by: Matt3o on Mon, 24 August 2015, 01:54:55
I was wondering - would it be possible for the set to include caps to cover the four 1u caps on the top row of a 23U? (Esc, Tab, BS, Shift)
this set is for a full size RF only (hence TKL will be compatible). I don't think they will include any extra but I will try.
Post by: sth on Mon, 24 August 2015, 01:58:41
Post by: Matt3o on Tue, 25 August 2015, 11:33:11
(http://i.imgur.com/p98ie54.png)
I really like this one.
Post by: sth on Tue, 25 August 2015, 14:07:07
We were only missing greenShow Image(http://i.imgur.com/p98ie54.png)
I really like this one.
i like it too - very CCnG but i'm not sure about the green + reddish -- gettin kinda christmassy :)) blank ccng would look soooo nice on a white hhkb/realforce.
Post by: esoomenona on Tue, 25 August 2015, 14:49:26
Post by: rowdy on Tue, 25 August 2015, 15:31:31
We were only missing greenShow Image(http://i.imgur.com/p98ie54.png)
I really like this one.
i like it too - very CCnG but i'm not sure about the green + reddish -- gettin kinda christmassy :)) blank ccng would look soooo nice on a white hhkb/realforce.
Actually CCnG would look kinda cool on a RealForce! Would Topre include two Esc and two Enter - one each of green and red?
Post by: Matt3o on Wed, 26 August 2015, 00:59:51
We were only missing greenShow Image(http://i.imgur.com/p98ie54.png)
I really like this one.
i like it too - very CCnG but i'm not sure about the green + reddish -- gettin kinda christmassy :)) blank ccng would look soooo nice on a white hhkb/realforce.
ah right I forgot any combination of green/red is seen as Christmassy in US. I'll replace the accent with purple maybe.
Post by: sth on Wed, 26 August 2015, 01:04:53
ooooh. yeah. yes.We were only missing greenShow Image(http://i.imgur.com/p98ie54.png)
I really like this one.
i like it too - very CCnG but i'm not sure about the green + reddish -- gettin kinda christmassy :)) blank ccng would look soooo nice on a white hhkb/realforce.
ah right I forgot any combination of green/red is seen as Christmassy in US. I'll replace the accent with purple maybe.
Post by: korrelate on Wed, 26 August 2015, 01:15:52
More optionsLovin the white on blue and the Honeywell schemes.Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/7aPI0Y6.png)Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/EpVqoJl.png)Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/k6be0nu.png)Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/2OxflYJ.png)Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/zhrTyRl.png)
man... you took the words right out of my mouth. Honeywell-inspired caps on a 104UB-DK (dark grey) chassis + the fact that Matteo's going to clean up those sloppy legends!! That would be one hell of a hot keyboard.
Geez.. just the idea of being able to clean up those legends..... that's big right there.
Now take all of the above and add a 55g Uniform option.
Now add the silencers and: shut up!! I would have to have this thing.
Now.... if they could push their own digilog, all aluminum, removable usb cord + hub : that thing would be unstoppable: a real end-game board there.
I don't think there's much a chance of the icon only mods... but if those actually made it I would be beside myself with joy.
Post by: sth on Wed, 26 August 2015, 01:40:13
More optionsLovin the white on blue and the Honeywell schemes.Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/7aPI0Y6.png)Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/EpVqoJl.png)Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/k6be0nu.png)Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/2OxflYJ.png)Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/zhrTyRl.png)
man... you took the words right out of my mouth. Honeywell-inspired caps on a 104UB-DK (dark grey) chassis + the fact that Matteo's going to clean up those sloppy legends!! That would be one hell of a hot keyboard.
Geez.. just the idea of being able to clean up those legends..... that's big right there.
Now take all of the above and add a 55g Uniform option.
Now add the silencers and: shut up!! I would have to have this thing.
Now.... if they could push their own digilog, all aluminum, removable usb cord + hub : that thing would be unstoppable: a real end-game board there.
I don't think there's much a chance of the icon only mods... but if those actually made it I would be beside myself with joy.
topre has never really cared much about the enthusiast market (the fact that they're open to making new caps is HUGE and im honestly surprised they ever made colored keycaps) - i wouldn't hold out for a metal case on an (essentially) office/accountant's keyboard :/
Post by: Matt3o on Wed, 26 August 2015, 02:47:58
All designs need some work with the legends (alignment and sizing mostly). There are 3 fonts there. Of course we can use any font with any color. The gray/yellow one has a more "modern" typeface. The white/red has a narrow font. The others are very close to Helvetica, but all fix the original funky RF legends.
Personally I prefer the icon modifiers, but I'm okay with text. I will probably add a fifth option, possibly more "traditional", not that any of the options so far are incredibly extravagant.
(http://i.imgur.com/BizOa6p.png)
(http://i.imgur.com/vtGl6vL.png)
(http://i.imgur.com/X3Dmlqa.png)
(http://i.imgur.com/Xe2hpJm.png)
Post by: Bomble on Wed, 26 August 2015, 03:55:45
Reducing options.
All designs need some work with the legends (alignment and sizing mostly). There are 3 fonts there. Of course we can use any font with any color. The gray/yellow one has a more "modern" typeface. The white/red has a narrow font. The others are very close to Helvetica, but all fix the original funky RF legends.
Personally I prefer the icon modifiers, but I'm okay with text. I will probably add a fifth option, possibly more "traditional", not that any of the options so far are incredibly extravagant.Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/BizOa6p.png)Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/vtGl6vL.png)Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/X3Dmlqa.png)Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/Xe2hpJm.png)
I really like all of those. Probably 4>2>1>3 but they are all (nearly) equivalent IMO. Still have my fingers crossed for those 23U compatibility though :-*
Keep up the great work!
Post by: yomammary on Wed, 26 August 2015, 07:16:26
Do we know how it's going to be distributed/sold?
Post by: dustinhxc on Wed, 26 August 2015, 07:30:30
I like the dark grey alphas in the first one and the white alphas in the 2nd one. The dark grey mods in the 2nd one are nice too. So I'd probably get the 2nd one. :thumb:
Post by: btctopre on Wed, 26 August 2015, 11:47:52
Reducing options.Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/BizOa6p.png)Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/vtGl6vL.png)Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/X3Dmlqa.png)Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/Xe2hpJm.png)
I'd say regardless of final set decision, I really hope Topre doesn't ignore the market and actually releases the set with HHKB compatibility caps included with it. Things have shifted quite a bit towards the HHKB (and 60% in general) in most major keyboard enthusiast countries where supply is accessible the last couple years, so to leave out things like a 1.75u L_Ctrl, 1.75u R_Shift, 1.5u R_Delete/BS, 1u Fn would likely result in a loss of sales amount that would be larger than the total margin decline amount from manufacturing/including a few extra keys.
*And if the chosen set winds up being the fourth one, and the red color winds up being the same as the standard Esc (not the previously manufactured independent red sets), then Topre already has manufactured multiple custom keys (including keys like 1.75u R_Shifts and 1u Back Spaces, as well as very custom 1U JustSystems keys) in that color before, so it's not like they'd really be stepping out of their comfort zone to accommodate the set.
(I'd personally prefer a white/beige Red Alert or Olivetti with some right proper text legends over anything else, but that might be too tame for this run.)
Post by: korrelate on Wed, 26 August 2015, 11:49:38
anybody feel me on this one?
Post by: LaPoune on Wed, 26 August 2015, 16:24:24
Reducing options.
All designs need some work with the legends (alignment and sizing mostly). There are 3 fonts there. Of course we can use any font with any color. The gray/yellow one has a more "modern" typeface. The white/red has a narrow font. The others are very close to Helvetica, but all fix the original funky RF legends.
Personally I prefer the icon modifiers, but I'm okay with text. I will probably add a fifth option, possibly more "traditional", not that any of the options so far are incredibly extravagant.Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/BizOa6p.png)Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/vtGl6vL.png)Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/X3Dmlqa.png)Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/Xe2hpJm.png)
Green with the icon legends...looks really sweet
Post by: Matt3o on Wed, 26 August 2015, 16:58:49
and if you could have them pull that hideous bubble cap off of the windows keys (like they do with the hipro) that would be magnificent.
anybody feel me on this one?
let me tell ya, the domed key is pure evil! It has been placed by the Japanese to make us gaijin suffer!
Post by: U47 on Wed, 26 August 2015, 23:45:21
I'm not a fan of the padlock icon for caps—I prefer Apple's "super shift" modifier. And the icons for PGUP, PGDN, etc. could use a little polishing.
My 2˘.
Reducing options.
All designs need some work with the legends (alignment and sizing mostly). There are 3 fonts there. Of course we can use any font with any color. The gray/yellow one has a more "modern" typeface. The white/red has a narrow font. The others are very close to Helvetica, but all fix the original funky RF legends.
Personally I prefer the icon modifiers, but I'm okay with text. I will probably add a fifth option, possibly more "traditional", not that any of the options so far are incredibly extravagant.Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/BizOa6p.png)Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/vtGl6vL.png)Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/X3Dmlqa.png)Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/Xe2hpJm.png)
Post by: m1k3 on Thu, 27 August 2015, 16:16:50
Icons where they are easily understood and text for the rest.
Start with the text set and pull in the icons for: backspace, tab, shift and menu and windows.
Oh, and drop the padlock from caps-lock
Reducing options.
All designs need some work with the legends (alignment and sizing mostly). There are 3 fonts there. Of course we can use any font with any color. The gray/yellow one has a more "modern" typeface. The white/red has a narrow font. The others are very close to Helvetica, but all fix the original funky RF legends.
Personally I prefer the icon modifiers, but I'm okay with text. I will probably add a fifth option, possibly more "traditional", not that any of the options so far are incredibly extravagant.Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/BizOa6p.png)Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/vtGl6vL.png)Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/X3Dmlqa.png)Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/Xe2hpJm.png)
Post by: jerue on Thu, 27 August 2015, 18:42:06
Reducing options.Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/BizOa6p.png)
Yes! Glad to see my favorite option is still in the running. So, more votes for the grey/yellow icon mods! I'll also vote for blank mods if it's too much work deciding what to use :D
How about a combination of both text & icons?
Icons where they are easily understood and text for the rest.
Start with the text set and pull in the icons for: backspace, tab, shift and menu and windows.
Oh, and drop the padlock from caps-lock
Welcome to Geekhack!
I respectfully disagree. I don't even look at my boards when I type but it would look very awkward. I think I know what you mean, like the existing RF sets that have both icons and text. My QFS has an icon for an enter key, but text everywhere else. It's annoying :blank: .
What would you suggest instead of a padlock for caps-lock? I can't really think of a better icon. Even if caps lock is in the wrong position in that mockup ;)
Post by: Matt3o on Fri, 28 August 2015, 01:56:05
They want to do something "different", something they never did before. I used very simple typefaces because I thought they didn't want to go too far from the current designs, but it seems they want more.
So basically, no Helvetica or close-by. They like the font I used in the yellow/gray layout, but I got the feeling they would like to dare even more. For the same reason, they are not impressed by the "honeywell" layout. So I guess it's a no-go.
I'll now work on these new inputs and produce some more designs.
Post by: stoic-lemon on Fri, 28 August 2015, 02:14:07
Post by: korrelate on Fri, 28 August 2015, 02:34:12
Got feedback from Topre. Good news or bad news... depends on how you see it.
They want to do something "different", something they never did before. I used very simple typefaces because I thought they didn't want to go too far from the current designs, but it seems they want more.
So basically, no Helvetica or close-by. They like the font I used in the yellow/gray layout, but I got the feeling they would like to dare even more. For the same reason, they are not impressed by the "honeywell" layout. So I guess it's a no-go.
I'll now work on these new inputs and produce some more designs.
Sniff sniff: a tear and a smile. Bye bye honeywell, but I'm smiling because it's an interesting posture for them to take.
Post by: sth on Fri, 28 August 2015, 02:52:00
Got feedback from Topre. Good news or bad news... depends on how you see it.
They want to do something "different", something they never did before. I used very simple typefaces because I thought they didn't want to go too far from the current designs, but it seems they want more.
So basically, no Helvetica or close-by. They like the font I used in the yellow/gray layout, but I got the feeling they would like to dare even more. For the same reason, they are not impressed by the "honeywell" layout. So I guess it's a no-go.
I'll now work on these new inputs and produce some more designs.
uh oh. i hope that doesn't mean they want to get into DeCK territory :))
Post by: Bucake on Fri, 28 August 2015, 06:43:34
(http://i.imgur.com/BizOa6p.png)
then that's fine with me :) i actually like that font, and how the letters are centered.
i also hope they will go with the icons!
no news yet on whether these sets will be sold only as sets, or also as keyboards?
or if these sets will have the extra capslock and ctrl keys?
thanks for the update! (F5 F5 F5 F5 F5 F5 F5 F5 F5 F5....)
Post by: oscillik on Fri, 28 August 2015, 07:03:20
Got feedback from Topre. Good news or bad news... depends on how you see it.
They want to do something "different", something they never did before. I used very simple typefaces because I thought they didn't want to go too far from the current designs, but it seems they want more.
So basically, no Helvetica or close-by. They like the font I used in the yellow/gray layout, but I got the feeling they would like to dare even more. For the same reason, they are not impressed by the "honeywell" layout. So I guess it's a no-go.
I'll now work on these new inputs and produce some more designs.
please use the Deck font, or close to it
(http://www.dansdata.com/images/deck/keys1024.jpg)
/trollface
Post by: yomammary on Fri, 28 August 2015, 07:23:01
Post by: colomb on Fri, 28 August 2015, 08:32:13
Post by: Bomble on Fri, 28 August 2015, 08:48:41
Looking forward to the new designs :thumb:
Post by: Remenition on Fri, 28 August 2015, 08:55:01
Use Comic Sans? :-[I once changed my teacher's system font to Comic Sans, wasn't very happy... He should've been happy I didn't use webdings
Post by: btctopre on Fri, 28 August 2015, 09:45:30
Post by: a_ak57 on Fri, 28 August 2015, 10:26:01
Got feedback from Topre. Good news or bad news... depends on how you see it.
They want to do something "different", something they never did before. I used very simple typefaces because I thought they didn't want to go too far from the current designs, but it seems they want more.
So basically, no Helvetica or close-by. They like the font I used in the yellow/gray layout, but I got the feeling they would like to dare even more. For the same reason, they are not impressed by the "honeywell" layout. So I guess it's a no-go.
I'll now work on these new inputs and produce some more designs.
Tell them if they really want to do something different then they should have an HHKB kit. ;D
Post by: esoomenona on Fri, 28 August 2015, 11:29:09
Post by: Matt3o on Fri, 28 August 2015, 11:50:33
Got feedback from Topre. Good news or bad news... depends on how you see it.
They want to do something "different", something they never did before. I used very simple typefaces because I thought they didn't want to go too far from the current designs, but it seems they want more.
So basically, no Helvetica or close-by. They like the font I used in the yellow/gray layout, but I got the feeling they would like to dare even more. For the same reason, they are not impressed by the "honeywell" layout. So I guess it's a no-go.
I'll now work on these new inputs and produce some more designs.
Looks like it's time for Sindarin: Topre Edition.
I do not say this often... but... LOL :D
Post by: Hypersphere on Fri, 28 August 2015, 11:57:57
https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=72086.0
Post by: kennardsmith on Fri, 28 August 2015, 13:38:10
Got feedback from Topre. Good news or bad news... depends on how you see it.
They want to do something "different", something they never did before. I used very simple typefaces because I thought they didn't want to go too far from the current designs, but it seems they want more.
So basically, no Helvetica or close-by. They like the font I used in the yellow/gray layout, but I got the feeling they would like to dare even more. For the same reason, they are not impressed by the "honeywell" layout. So I guess it's a no-go.
I'll now work on these new inputs and produce some more designs.
I *really* love oversized legends like on round 5, have you tried that?
Really hope the font doesn't end up a script or a serif :(
Post by: Belfong on Sun, 30 August 2015, 02:41:17
Post by: nukec on Sun, 30 August 2015, 03:38:33
Post by: Polymer on Sun, 30 August 2015, 04:00:56
My initial comments were that these were just like what they had but with a slightly palate and maybe legends change..and I thought that was cool and probably what they wanted...
But I do agree it wasn't that different..
Different to me would be more interesting legends, maybe theme based, maybe colors for the dyesub or different colors for the alphas and legends....Maybe a bit more of a 3rd color on some of keys..esc, enter, windows, backspace, ctrl....Or an RGB/CYM mods, etc...
Post by: Bucake on Sun, 30 August 2015, 09:26:21
Give me hhkb compactibility, and blanks, and ill show you guts.
:eek:
why would they not? i'm sure a bunch of people actually prefer blank caps (plenty of people have purchased blank HHBKs).
also, i bet some people will end up liking the colors, but the legends not so much. would probably be good to offer a blank option for those people.
or am i wrong? i don't really see a reason for them not to offer a blank set as well..
and i wonder what the image is that topre themselves get, when they think about 'different'?
those icon modifiers with centered legends are quite different, i thought..?
i'm hoping that topre isn't thinking about some clowny RGB kind of look..
Post by: rowdy on Sun, 30 August 2015, 15:17:51
But if they produced the RealForce set, and added a few, just a few, extra keys to suit the HHKB, they'd probably sell a LOT more sets.
Post by: Chedda7 on Sun, 30 August 2015, 15:26:14
Up above Matt said they did not want to do an HHKB set, which makes a lot of people sad.
But if they produced the RealForce set, and added a few, just a few, extra keys to suit the HHKB, they'd probably sell a LOT more sets.
Would it not also help PFU sell loads of HHKBs? I don't know the business relationship between PFU and Topre, other then the fact that they use both use Topre products internally, but I assume this is a business driven decision? I feel like everyone is basically asking Topre to spend EXTRA money and produce something that can help a competitor. Am I off with this assessment?
And yes, I agree, they will sell a ton more sets if they fit HHKBs (and 660c's).
Post by: rowdy on Sun, 30 August 2015, 21:36:58
Up above Matt said they did not want to do an HHKB set, which makes a lot of people sad.
But if they produced the RealForce set, and added a few, just a few, extra keys to suit the HHKB, they'd probably sell a LOT more sets.
Would it not also help PFU sell loads of HHKBs? I don't know the business relationship between PFU and Topre, other then the fact that they use both use Topre products internally, but I assume this is a business driven decision? I feel like everyone is basically asking Topre to spend EXTRA money and produce something that can help a competitor. Am I off with this assessment?
And yes, I agree, they will sell a ton more sets if they fit HHKBs (and 660c's).
I was thinking HHKB because they already have the molds for HHKB keycaps, and did make available blank and printed black and white sets. It should not take a huge leap to make a few extra HHKB-specific keycaps using the existing molds and add them to the RealForce sets.
Post by: Chedda7 on Sun, 30 August 2015, 21:55:43
Up above Matt said they did not want to do an HHKB set, which makes a lot of people sad.
But if they produced the RealForce set, and added a few, just a few, extra keys to suit the HHKB, they'd probably sell a LOT more sets.
Would it not also help PFU sell loads of HHKBs? I don't know the business relationship between PFU and Topre, other then the fact that they use both use Topre products internally, but I assume this is a business driven decision? I feel like everyone is basically asking Topre to spend EXTRA money and produce something that can help a competitor. Am I off with this assessment?
And yes, I agree, they will sell a ton more sets if they fit HHKBs (and 660c's).
I was thinking HHKB because they already have the molds for HHKB keycaps, and did make available blank and printed black and white sets. It should not take a huge leap to make a few extra HHKB-specific keycaps using the existing molds and add them to the RealForce sets.
I see what you are saying but from my understanding matt3o was commissioned by Realforce to design this. Adding HHKB keys to the set would benefit PFU, which is a totally different company. Liken it to Corsair adding keycaps to a set that are only found on a FILCO board.
Post by: Matt3o on Mon, 31 August 2015, 01:33:17
Post by: btctopre on Mon, 31 August 2015, 10:00:57
guys it's pointless to debate about HHKB compatibility, as disappointing as it could be, that ain't gonna happen.Once your colors/font are decided, should launch an IC poll "Are you interested in purchasing this custom Topre keycap set?" with options
"Yes, I will purchase this set as it stands (107 key)"
"No, I will only purchase this set if it also includes HHKB compatibility caps"
"No, I will only purchase this set if it also includes FC660C compatibility caps"
"No, I will not purchase this set"
then post a link to it here, reddit, DT, EnjoyClick, KBDMania, etc. If we can show Topre how much money they'll miss out on by not increasing their manufacturing cost by <5%, might be able to change their mind.
Post by: Matt3o on Mon, 31 August 2015, 10:05:13
Post by: esoomenona on Mon, 31 August 2015, 10:11:43
Post by: nathanrosspowell on Mon, 31 August 2015, 10:15:49
Double check the OP and stop going on about other companies Topre layouts.
Like this, out of the blue, Topre is willing to release a new official keycap set for the Realforce (both full size and TKL) and they asked me to design it.
One step at a time. Don't get mad at Matt3o because he won't ruin this opportunity for HHKB and FC660C support. Let him give Topre what they want. Show them that we will buy large amounts of what Matt3o is invloved with. Then the HHKB set might come about.
Post by: a_ak57 on Mon, 31 August 2015, 10:17:35
topre is not interested in making keycaps for other companies.
They should be interested in making money considering they are a business, and this is a way to make considerably more money. I mean, this entire run is gonna be a niche thing so why wouldn't they want to bring in another crowd to make it more worthwhile? It's not like HHKB users make up 5 of 100 million topre users; it'd be a substantial number of people who'd suddenly have interest. And if they think that is an unsubstantiated claim, then we could run the aforementioned interest check.
Unless there was some falling out with PFU and they hate each other, I don't really see why they'd give up the opportunity to make more money.
One step at a time. Don't get mad at Matt3o because he won't ruin this opportunity for HHKB and FC660C support. Let him give Topre what they want. Show them that we will buy large amounts of what Matt3o is invloved with. Then the HHKB set might come about.
Problem is it doesn't really work that way. A number of us won't be buying because they're not offering what we want. I'm not gonna drop however much this is gonna cost just so there's a chance they change their minds and I can pay them more money. But I would agree it's fair we should just drop the issue since Topre is being stubborn about their stupidity, I guess.
Post by: romevi on Mon, 31 August 2015, 10:19:18
topre is not interested in making keycaps for other companies.
They should be interested in making money considering they are a business, and this is a way to make considerably more money. I mean, this entire run is gonna be a niche thing so why wouldn't they want to bring in another crowd to make it more worthwhile? It's not like HHKB users make up 5 of 100 million topre users; it'd be a substantial number of people who'd suddenly have interest. And if they think that is an unsubstantiated claim, then we could run the aforementioned interest check.
Unless there was some falling out with PFU and they hate each other, I don't really see why they'd give up the opportunity to make more money.
So far the only extra keycap sets made are for the Realforce, with only a couple for PFU. That's all Topre has ever done.
It's pointless to argue here in Matt3o's thread because he simply was reached out by Topre to design the next keycap set. He's a contracted artist. That's it. He has no input in their business ventures.
Post by: nathanrosspowell on Mon, 31 August 2015, 10:35:58
One step at a time. Don't get mad at Matt3o because he won't ruin this opportunity for HHKB and FC660C support. Let him give Topre what they want. Show them that we will buy large amounts of what Matt3o is invloved with. Then the HHKB set might come about.
Problem is it doesn't really work that way. A number of us won't be buying because they're not offering what we want. I'm not gonna drop however much this is gonna cost just so there's a chance they change their minds and I can pay them more money. But I would agree it's fair we should just drop the issue since Topre is being stubborn about their stupidity, I guess.
It just seems a lot of people feel so entitled they don't understand what they are asking for:
"Hey, I'm not interested in what they are offering. Hmm, guess I should complain and make them change what they have decided to offer"
You can say it doesn't work that way but lots of people have bought very Realforce sets to get new keys for their HHKB already.
Post by: Bucake on Mon, 31 August 2015, 10:38:40
just curious
Post by: btctopre on Mon, 31 August 2015, 11:59:17
Show them that we will buy large amounts of what Matt3o is invloved with. Then the HHKB set might come about.Cuts both ways though. Maybe they add a compatibility pack later or include the caps with the next set (assuming there is one), or maybe they decide demand is acceptable enough (because we've artificially inflated it to support Matt) that they don't need to manufacture them. Or maybe the concept doesn't even register on their radar because the first two words on the other keyboards aren't "Topre Realforce" (this seems to be the case).
I'd say if Topre really won't budge now, then non-Realforce users should move on from this set. I'll look into contacting PFU directly to see if they're capable/interested in producing a custom set, but obviously I'll leave discussion on that for another thread (should they get back to me). And if all else fails, there's always JTK (eventually) for us bastards.
Sucks missing out on the first Matt3o Topre set though :'(
Post by: Chedda7 on Mon, 31 August 2015, 12:06:11
One step at a time. Don't get mad at Matt3o because he won't ruin this opportunity for HHKB and FC660C support. Let him give Topre what they want. Show them that we will buy large amounts of what Matt3o is invloved with. Then the HHKB set might come about.
Problem is it doesn't really work that way. A number of us won't be buying because they're not offering what we want. I'm not gonna drop however much this is gonna cost just so there's a chance they change their minds and I can pay them more money. But I would agree it's fair we should just drop the issue since Topre is being stubborn about their stupidity, I guess.
I couldn't agree more. I am elated with the fact that Topre decided to produce what they are. :D
It just seems a lot of people feel so entitled they don't understand what they are asking for:
"Hey, I'm not interested in what they are offering. Hmm, guess I should complain and make them change what they have decided to offer"
You can say it doesn't work that way but lots of people have bought very Realforce sets to get new keys for their HHKB already.
Post by: nathanrosspowell on Mon, 31 August 2015, 12:40:08
Show them that we will buy large amounts of what Matt3o is invloved with. Then the HHKB set might come about.Cuts both ways though. Maybe they add a compatibility pack later or include the caps with the next set (assuming there is one), or maybe they decide demand is acceptable enough (because we've artificially inflated it to support Matt) that they don't need to manufacture them. Or maybe the concept doesn't even register on their radar because the first two words on the other keyboards aren't "Topre Realforce" (this seems to be the case).
I'd say if Topre really won't budge now, then non-Realforce users should move on from this set. I'll look into contacting PFU directly to see if they're capable/interested in producing a custom set, but obviously I'll leave discussion on that for another thread (should they get back to me). And if all else fails, there's always JTK (eventually) for us bastards.
Sucks missing out on the first Matt3o Topre set though :'(
Yup, I totally understand you man. JTK is pretty much the best hope for the HHKB.
Post by: sth on Mon, 31 August 2015, 12:44:41
topre is not interested in making keycaps for other companies.
They should be interested in making money considering they are a business, and this is a way to make considerably more money. I mean, this entire run is gonna be a niche thing so why wouldn't they want to bring in another crowd to make it more worthwhile? It's not like HHKB users make up 5 of 100 million topre users; it'd be a substantial number of people who'd suddenly have interest. And if they think that is an unsubstantiated claim, then we could run the aforementioned interest check.
Unless there was some falling out with PFU and they hate each other, I don't really see why they'd give up the opportunity to make more money.One step at a time. Don't get mad at Matt3o because he won't ruin this opportunity for HHKB and FC660C support. Let him give Topre what they want. Show them that we will buy large amounts of what Matt3o is invloved with. Then the HHKB set might come about.
Problem is it doesn't really work that way. A number of us won't be buying because they're not offering what we want. I'm not gonna drop however much this is gonna cost just so there's a chance they change their minds and I can pay them more money. But I would agree it's fair we should just drop the issue since Topre is being stubborn about their stupidity, I guess.
i think you VASTLY overestimate the market Topre is catering to in this case. they make keyboards and input devices and all sorts of other things for massive corporations that spend millions of dollars on their products. this is less than a drop in the bucket to them, not to mention they are from a different place where business goals and values may not be what you are used to.
Post by: Kudos on Mon, 31 August 2015, 13:01:08
Post by: Polymer on Tue, 01 September 2015, 01:51:19
Post by: yomammary on Tue, 01 September 2015, 07:26:50
Post by: rowdy on Tue, 01 September 2015, 15:13:46
topre is not interested in making keycaps for other companies.
They should be interested in making money considering they are a business, and this is a way to make considerably more money. I mean, this entire run is gonna be a niche thing so why wouldn't they want to bring in another crowd to make it more worthwhile? It's not like HHKB users make up 5 of 100 million topre users; it'd be a substantial number of people who'd suddenly have interest. And if they think that is an unsubstantiated claim, then we could run the aforementioned interest check.
Unless there was some falling out with PFU and they hate each other, I don't really see why they'd give up the opportunity to make more money.One step at a time. Don't get mad at Matt3o because he won't ruin this opportunity for HHKB and FC660C support. Let him give Topre what they want. Show them that we will buy large amounts of what Matt3o is invloved with. Then the HHKB set might come about.
Problem is it doesn't really work that way. A number of us won't be buying because they're not offering what we want. I'm not gonna drop however much this is gonna cost just so there's a chance they change their minds and I can pay them more money. But I would agree it's fair we should just drop the issue since Topre is being stubborn about their stupidity, I guess.
i think you VASTLY overestimate the market Topre is catering to in this case. they make keyboards and input devices and all sorts of other things for massive corporations that spend millions of dollars on their products. this is less than a drop in the bucket to them, not to mention they are from a different place where business goals and values may not be what you are used to.
Massive corporations, though, are not likely to spend more money on custom keycap sets, especially with novel or unusual colourways or legends.
Post by: daerid on Thu, 03 September 2015, 10:15:44
Matt3o did absolutely fanstastic
Post by: Durvid on Thu, 03 September 2015, 10:17:13
Post by: Matt3o on Fri, 04 September 2015, 04:58:36
At the end I narrowed it down to Blazing and Glacial Sets both with colored alphas.
(http://i.imgur.com/PjY4pXA.png)
(http://i.imgur.com/WiyKuVi.png)
I'm not very fond of the Print screen and pause/break icons. Any suggestion welcome.
Post by: sth on Fri, 04 September 2015, 04:59:54
I'm not sure I'd want either of these since I already have white mods (assuming they make blanks).
edit - i don't mean to just complain. these look fantastic! i'm just not sure if i will be in to buy any if they have white alphas is all.
Post by: yomammary on Fri, 04 September 2015, 07:28:07
I made some more tests but I didn't really find the deal breaker. I used the font Topre likes the most, but I'm still looking for an alternative. Since they want to do something different from what they already have I'd go icon mods and centered legends.Dang both are nice.
At the end I narrowed it down to Blazing and Glacial Sets both with colored alphas.Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/PjY4pXA.png)Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/WiyKuVi.png)
I'm not very fond of the Print screen and pause/break icons. Any suggestion welcome.
Post by: Kliwon on Fri, 04 September 2015, 07:39:32
just crossed my mind, how about making blank Classic Beige.. :rolleyes:
Post by: romevi on Fri, 04 September 2015, 08:25:08
I'm not the biggest fan of red, but I'd go with that one since I see more blue than red by Topre.
Post by: jamster on Fri, 04 September 2015, 08:40:41
Post by: Matt3o on Fri, 04 September 2015, 08:43:37
Post by: jamster on Fri, 04 September 2015, 11:17:48
Post by: Stev on Fri, 04 September 2015, 12:33:16
Post by: strict on Fri, 04 September 2015, 17:06:58
Post by: Matt3o on Fri, 04 September 2015, 17:08:29
My vote would be for Glacial. Maybe I missed it mentioned somewhere but will these include the swapped Ctrl and Capslock keys?
yes, that should be included being an option on all RF
Post by: digi on Fri, 04 September 2015, 17:23:23
Post by: Matt3o on Fri, 04 September 2015, 17:26:38
Hey Matt, could you tell Topre to sell 104U 55g barebone boards without caps too? ;D
they are reading this thread. So be kind.
Post by: digi on Fri, 04 September 2015, 17:31:49
I'd like to think I'm speaking for a lot of Topre enthusiasts that would really like to see (and buy) a 104U 55g board. Since you're already considering selling Topre keycap sets, then a barebones 104 or 87 (or both) version would be AWESOME. Sorry to slightly derail from the OP (sorry Matt) but I think this is something we've wanted to see for quite a long time.
Love,
Ya Boi - Digi
Post by: Belfong on Fri, 04 September 2015, 19:55:30
Post by: dutC4 on Fri, 04 September 2015, 20:02:57
Post by: yomammary on Fri, 04 September 2015, 20:53:45
They should release a series of sets that really mix up the typical topre color schemes. There are a lot of popular themes that look cool and never get support like.. watermelon ..or strawberry kiwi?You cray cray
:cool:Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/Lhl4M9W.png)
Post by: FrostyToast on Fri, 04 September 2015, 21:17:47
They look so ugly on cylindrical sets. They're fine with spherical but they just look so out of place on anything else.
Post by: Hypersphere on Sat, 05 September 2015, 08:25:13
Please don't go with centred legends...+1
They look so ugly on cylindrical sets. They're fine with spherical but they just look so out of place on anything else.
Post by: Matt3o on Sat, 05 September 2015, 09:03:56
Post by: Bucake on Sat, 05 September 2015, 09:40:16
I have a cylindrical set with centered legends and they look pretty elegant to me
i agree!
if it ends up being either of those sets, i'm in.
i can't say i'm a huge fan of the colors, but i'm a fan of everything else; centered legends, icon legends, and i like the font :)
i noticed the whites on the sets are different,
but don't you think it would be 'more convenient' if the white of the set matched the white 87U case?
because i wonder if it might look a bit off, if the white of the case and the white of the caps are noticeably different?
edit: will the side-printing also be icons? :D (Enter, SysRq, Scroll Lock, Break)
Post by: Hypersphere on Sun, 06 September 2015, 17:10:20
First is blue alphas, black mods, and a red Esc for an accent. Obviously, these caps already existed, but it seems they are no longer being produced and are unavailable.
[attachimg=1]
Second is a "pseudo skull squadron" look, similar to matt3o's "skull squadron" design. Again, the component colors were previously available, but currently unavailable (exception -- it appears that there are still some white, blue, orange, and red sets on eBay and Amazon for the Japanese-layout RF 108kt5 keyboard -- this is where I got the red "Ctrl" key, which I use as a Fn key on my RF).
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Post by: Kinaesthetic on Sun, 06 September 2015, 17:52:06
I had a lot of hope for this, but to be quite frank from my personal opinion, I'd refuse to purchase either of those two designs, or I'd have to really think long and hard about purchasing them. They aren't the most creative designs that I'm honestly used to seeing you create.
Like, I know I'm moderately biased to the color green, but what about something crazy like taking inspiration from VesperSaint's Green/Black keysets. Or some of his other crazy, wacked out keyset designs that he has put on his boards (Topre club thread is filled with them).
I hope you can just take this comment as some friendly constructive criticism.
Post by: Hypersphere on Sun, 06 September 2015, 18:04:14
Post by: dutC4 on Sun, 06 September 2015, 19:56:08
Post by: strict on Sun, 06 September 2015, 21:15:36
nm ... dyesub limitations
Post by: Matt3o on Mon, 07 September 2015, 00:40:51
Post by: Matt3o on Mon, 07 September 2015, 03:57:56
(http://i.imgur.com/EyJTjyj.png)
Post by: sth on Mon, 07 September 2015, 04:06:07
Working on skull squadronShow Image(http://i.imgur.com/EyJTjyj.png)
hot daddy. if blanks are an option i am so in for this.
Post by: Hypersphere on Mon, 07 September 2015, 08:55:12
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I also like arrow keys that match the alphas on a TKL board.
Adapter kits: I hope it could be possible to get a Backtick, Backspace, Tab, and Backslash that are the same color as the mods.
Post by: dutC4 on Mon, 07 September 2015, 09:37:04
Post by: raymogi on Mon, 07 September 2015, 09:48:15
Working on skull squadronShow Image(http://i.imgur.com/EyJTjyj.png)
If this becomes a reality... instabuy.
Post by: strict on Mon, 07 September 2015, 09:53:52
Working on skull squadronShow Image(http://i.imgur.com/EyJTjyj.png)
Oh god please yes! I'm a guaranteed buy if we do this design. I think it would look excellent on both 87UB and 87UW boards which is not something that can be said about some of the other designs. Would the alphas be like white-white or would they be more of like a bone-white closer to matching the case of the 87UW?
Post by: Hypersphere on Mon, 07 September 2015, 09:54:30
I am a big fan of Skull Squadron and have been doing a poor job of looking for it in DCS for a while now. I very much like it with the white alphas, blue seems like it'd be a bit much :thumb:To me, yellow seems a bit much! ;)
Hurrah for personal preference! Of course, soon we will need to agree not to disagree when it comes to the final choice for the new Topre keycap set.
Post by: iamtootallforthis on Mon, 07 September 2015, 20:53:44
Working on skull squadronShow Image(http://i.imgur.com/EyJTjyj.png)
I like this!
Post by: Matt3o on Tue, 08 September 2015, 09:12:59
(http://i.imgur.com/Dnw5ifT.png)
Post by: esoomenona on Tue, 08 September 2015, 09:13:33
Post by: romevi on Tue, 08 September 2015, 09:34:37
Variant 1Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/Dnw5ifT.png)
I feel like this will be more up Topre's alley, if at all. While I like the Skull Squadron design and feel bad for missing out on it, I think it's too far out of Topre's comfort zone. Given their track record, they don't seem to like to venture out too much, and I was feeling that the yellow stripe may have been too much for their taste.
The yellow stripe on the F-- row seems better, but I'm still being a little cautious.
Post by: Bucake on Tue, 08 September 2015, 09:40:13
have you tried that Variant with black print screen, num lock and pause keys (so only the F-keys are yellow)?
or would there be too little yellow left?
and somehow i feel this font matches the icons quite well.
Post by: Matt3o on Tue, 08 September 2015, 10:09:22
(http://i.imgur.com/5TA7lRe.png)
Post by: tofgerl on Tue, 08 September 2015, 10:40:47
Post by: strict on Tue, 08 September 2015, 12:49:44
Post by: Matt3o on Tue, 08 September 2015, 13:04:06
Post by: Bucake on Tue, 08 September 2015, 14:56:37
in my opinion there's a bit too much red on variant 1, and i feel that the long yellow line on the 'original' sort of breaks the unity
just my two cents. :)
already looking forward to the next update!
Post by: Hypersphere on Tue, 08 September 2015, 18:30:19
Unfortunately, none of the designs thus far has grabbed me in the way some other designs have, such as the Granite set, Penumbra, or Honeywell.
Post by: dutC4 on Tue, 08 September 2015, 18:41:56
Post by: Matt3o on Wed, 09 September 2015, 02:17:28
More work will be needed especially on the legends, but I need to know if they like the overall look and feel. Fingers crossed.
Post by: sth on Wed, 09 September 2015, 02:25:20
Post by: Matt3o on Wed, 09 September 2015, 02:39:32
Post by: sth on Wed, 09 September 2015, 02:43:53
Post by: Matt3o on Wed, 09 September 2015, 02:58:49
I was referring to gifs and memes :)
Post by: sth on Wed, 09 September 2015, 03:01:22
lol, thanks dude.
I was referring to gifs and memes :)
i don't meme but i am partial to gifs.
i am MORE partial to topre skull squadron though. here's hoping against hope that there will be blanks :blank:
Post by: tofgerl on Wed, 09 September 2015, 03:10:27
Post by: Bomble on Wed, 09 September 2015, 04:26:31
Post by: Matt3o on Wed, 09 September 2015, 04:26:41
Do topre make their own caps? I mean directly.
they do
Post by: yomammary on Wed, 09 September 2015, 07:33:03
Post by: romevi on Wed, 09 September 2015, 07:48:17
Don't suppose you can share if this will be a keycap set by itself or if it'll be used on a special edition board?
Post by: strict on Wed, 09 September 2015, 08:07:14
okay I believe we have a winner. The latest SkullSquad revisions I feel meet the "make-it-pop-keep-it-cool" Topre's demands. I made some more updates to the layout and sent it to Topre. I tried to sneak in some extras (such as black ~` and \| and colored WASD). I don't think I will post the final design so it will be a surprise when it comes out :) All I know is that lead time is 6 months (gosh!)
More work will be needed especially on the legends, but I need to know if they like the overall look and feel. Fingers crossed.
I really think the skull squadron color way is an excellent choice. Thanks for all your hard work, Matt3o!
Post by: Bucake on Wed, 09 September 2015, 14:20:09
and grats matt3o! great work man :D
Post by: potatowire on Wed, 09 September 2015, 14:30:51
okay I believe we have a winner. The latest SkullSquad revisions I feel meet the "make-it-pop-keep-it-cool" Topre's demands. I made some more updates to the layout and sent it to Topre. I tried to sneak in some extras (such as black ~` and \| and colored WASD). I don't think I will post the final design so it will be a surprise when it comes out :) All I know is that lead time is 6 months (gosh!)
More work will be needed especially on the legends, but I need to know if they like the overall look and feel. Fingers crossed.
I wish you could also sneak colored HJKL by them too! I'm excited for this.
Post by: tofgerl on Thu, 10 September 2015, 04:24:25
Post by: potatowire on Thu, 10 September 2015, 05:11:24
If you need colored HJKL you don't deserve to use vim. You should have to use vi for MONTHS until you're ready to upgrade ;)
Them's fightin' words! I merely want to show my colors in the age-old struggle against evil emacs!
Post by: chiefgrillz on Sun, 13 September 2015, 19:06:04
but with full respect to the great work Matt3o is doing, the final color schemes really aren't what i was hoping for.
in case topre is reading this: i know some others find it boring but i work in a professional environment and I just want a classy set of grey blanks with coloured modifiers (a blank set of anniversary keycaps would be to die for). if the blue/black or lavender/black designs from first post were available I'd be lining up to buy several sets.
anyway depending on the final colour scheme i might buy a set to show Topre there is a market. but i hope if there are other runs in future there might also be a more understated option.
Post by: Chedda7 on Sun, 13 September 2015, 23:39:31
I've been dormant for a while but i found this thread and was super excited
but with full respect to the great work Matt3o is doing, the final color schemes really aren't what i was hoping for.
in case topre is reading this: i know some others find it boring but i work in a professional environment and I just want a classy set of grey blanks with coloured modifiers (a blank set of anniversary keycaps would be to die for). if the blue/black or lavender/black designs from first post were available I'd be lining up to buy several sets.
anyway depending on the final colour scheme i might buy a set to show Topre there is a market. but i hope if there are other runs in future there might also be a more understated option.
It seems nearly everything you desire is currently available with the keycap sets Topre has produced in the past. They would never make a blank set so it's not worth asking.
They wanted something bold and timeless, Matteo, in my opinion, delivered just that.
Post by: chiefgrillz on Mon, 14 September 2015, 00:39:49
It seems nearly everything you desire is currently available with the keycap sets Topre has produced in the past. They would never make a blank set so it's not worth asking.
They wanted something bold and timeless, Matteo, in my opinion, delivered just that.
kind of. but availability is the big issue. i was pretty excited about the early designs though.
but yeah, Matteo delivered what topre asked for. looking forward to seeing the final result.
Post by: tofgerl on Mon, 14 September 2015, 01:10:04
Post by: Matt3o on Mon, 14 September 2015, 02:11:47
I'm stil waiting for topre to get back to me on the final set. I'll keep you posted.
Post by: ryahirv on Sat, 19 September 2015, 11:09:59
Could anyone enlighten me on where/when these should be expected for purchase?
Is this likely an early 2016 type of thing?
Would somebody like EliteKeyboards.com have them?
Would we expect them to be as pricey as the ones that are out there on eBay these days? (like $150 USD I think)
Thanks so much all!
Post by: Matt3o on Sat, 19 September 2015, 12:19:09
Massdrop will run a group buy for the set, but as far as I understand it will be a 100% Topre product, so it will be available to all topre retailers.
Manufacturing will probably be very slow, they talked about 6 months, so I'm pretty sure this will be a 2016 product.
Post by: Chedda7 on Sat, 19 September 2015, 12:59:14
Topre checked the design and they are evaluating feasibility. At a preliminary screening everything seems good.
Does this mean they approved the aesthetics of the design and are now doing a technical review?
Post by: romevi on Sat, 19 September 2015, 14:10:16
Post by: ideus on Sat, 19 September 2015, 14:17:39
I am a Cherry user, and I do not plan to get a Topre keyboard anytime soon, but I wish you the best with this new design.
Post by: Bucake on Sun, 20 September 2015, 01:46:01
that way, it would look very good whether you have a black or a white case :)
Post by: Matt3o on Sun, 20 September 2015, 03:18:13
any idea if the colors(white and black) will be color-matched with the white and black RF87U boards..?
that way, it would look very good whether you have a black or a white case :)
no, the colors are different, but they will look good on both white and black case
Post by: korrelate on Sun, 20 September 2015, 16:07:06
variant 2Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/5TA7lRe.png)
imagine this on a graphite colored case, 55g uniform and silenced.
that would be damn near an end-game board.
Post by: ryahirv on Sun, 20 September 2015, 16:11:39
Frustrating.
Post by: yomammary on Mon, 21 September 2015, 07:26:33
Topre checked the design and they are evaluating feasibility. At a preliminary screening everything seems good.I already can't wait.
Massdrop will run a group buy for the set, but as far as I understand it will be a 100% Topre product, so it will be available to all topre retailers.
Manufacturing will probably be very slow, they talked about 6 months, so I'm pretty sure this will be a 2016 product.
Post by: a_ak57 on Mon, 21 September 2015, 14:49:42
Post by: btctopre on Mon, 21 September 2015, 15:02:03
how much they charged for the old colored sets.Most single color ANSI sets were around $75 in Japan, then after import/markup EliteKeyboards was selling them for $95-110.
Post by: Hypersphere on Mon, 21 September 2015, 18:05:41
I wish they'd make more of the existing key cap sets.+1. I also!
Frustrating.
Post by: tofgerl on Tue, 22 September 2015, 00:59:45
Post by: Matt3o on Tue, 22 September 2015, 02:45:19
I don't have any news about pricing sorry.
Also, topre is not able to produce a PBT spacebar, but we already have the tooling, so we are very likely adding one anyway.
Post by: Bucake on Tue, 22 September 2015, 03:24:31
Also, topre is not able to produce a PBT spacebar, but we already have the tooling, so we are very likely adding one anyway.
And will the spacebars be PBT on these?
you betcha :)
you lied to us! :p
(jk) thanks for the update!
hopefully those PBT spacebars will happen, because i'm sure i'll be used to the PBT spacebars from massdrop by the time i get this set.. :)
Post by: Bomble on Tue, 22 September 2015, 05:07:31
Post by: Matt3o on Tue, 22 September 2015, 05:53:11
Nice! When the time comes, do you think the matching PBT spacebars will ship with the set? Or will they be on a separate timeline?
they will come together.
Post by: Bomble on Tue, 22 September 2015, 06:19:18
Nice! When the time comes, do you think the matching PBT spacebars will ship with the set? Or will they be on a separate timeline?
they will come together.
Music to my ears
Post by: Jedi on Wed, 23 September 2015, 08:39:43
Post by: yomammary on Wed, 23 September 2015, 13:12:58
Post by: chiefgrillz on Wed, 23 September 2015, 18:54:10
Nice! When the time comes, do you think the matching PBT spacebars will ship with the set? Or will they be on a separate timeline?they will come together.
Excellent! Great job Matt30.... can't wait to order
I hope Topre sees the value in PBT spacebars and can provide them as standard one day (soon preferably :))
Post by: Elrick on Wed, 23 September 2015, 19:40:43
Topre confirmed feasibility. Now we are picking the right pantone colors.
I don't have any news about pricing sorry.
Also, topre is not able to produce a PBT spacebar, but we already have the tooling, so we are very likely adding one anyway.
Didn't I tell everyone here on Geekhack Central, that the Matt3o works of Art shall be recognized everywhere including Japan :thumb: .
Now is a PERFECT time to buy some extra Realforce Keyboards because you can now furnish them with Authentic Key-caps made for this particular keyboard. Shall be buying more 104 keyboards simply because his work looks best upon a full sized keyboard (canvas).
Again thanks for creating another Matt3o special edition. In fact they (RF) may market their next model keyboard with your babies installed.
Post by: romevi on Wed, 23 September 2015, 20:01:36
But isn't the set just for the 87U?Topre confirmed feasibility. Now we are picking the right pantone colors.
I don't have any news about pricing sorry.
Also, topre is not able to produce a PBT spacebar, but we already have the tooling, so we are very likely adding one anyway.
Didn't I tell everyone here on Geekhack Central, that the Matt3o works of Art shall be recognized everywhere including Japan :thumb: .
Now is a PERFECT time to buy some extra Realforce Keyboards because you can now furnish them with Authentic Key-caps made for this particular keyboard. Shall be buying more 104 keyboards simply because his work looks best upon a full sized keyboard (canvas).
Again thanks for creating another Matt3o special edition. In fact they (RF) may market their next model keyboard with your babies installed.
Which, conveniently, is in short supply (at MSRP).
Post by: yomammary on Wed, 23 September 2015, 21:10:30
All the designs were for 104 keys.But isn't the set just for the 87U?Topre confirmed feasibility. Now we are picking the right pantone colors.
I don't have any news about pricing sorry.
Also, topre is not able to produce a PBT spacebar, but we already have the tooling, so we are very likely adding one anyway.
Didn't I tell everyone here on Geekhack Central, that the Matt3o works of Art shall be recognized everywhere including Japan :thumb: .
Now is a PERFECT time to buy some extra Realforce Keyboards because you can now furnish them with Authentic Key-caps made for this particular keyboard. Shall be buying more 104 keyboards simply because his work looks best upon a full sized keyboard (canvas).
Again thanks for creating another Matt3o special edition. In fact they (RF) may market their next model keyboard with your babies installed.
Which, conveniently, is in short supply (at MSRP).
Post by: romevi on Wed, 23 September 2015, 21:15:43
All the designs were for 104 keys.But isn't the set just for the 87U?Topre confirmed feasibility. Now we are picking the right pantone colors.
I don't have any news about pricing sorry.
Also, topre is not able to produce a PBT spacebar, but we already have the tooling, so we are very likely adding one anyway.
Didn't I tell everyone here on Geekhack Central, that the Matt3o works of Art shall be recognized everywhere including Japan :thumb: .
Now is a PERFECT time to buy some extra Realforce Keyboards because you can now furnish them with Authentic Key-caps made for this particular keyboard. Shall be buying more 104 keyboards simply because his work looks best upon a full sized keyboard (canvas).
Again thanks for creating another Matt3o special edition. In fact they (RF) may market their next model keyboard with your babies installed.
Which, conveniently, is in short supply (at MSRP).
Oh, yes. You're right. Was posting from my phone at the time and too lazy to see the original images.
Post by: Bucake on Thu, 24 September 2015, 17:16:59
this hobby(obsession) is killing my bank account..
Post by: rowdy on Thu, 24 September 2015, 17:27:58
i am kind of hoping they don't release an actual edition with these caps :(
this hobby(obsession) is killing my bank account..
Welcome to Wallethack :p
Post by: Bucake on Thu, 24 September 2015, 18:56:18
i am kind of hoping they don't release an actual edition with these caps :(
this hobby(obsession) is killing my bank account..
Welcome to Wallethack :p
thank you :'(
Post by: Elrick on Thu, 24 September 2015, 22:28:21
i am kind of hoping they don't release an actual edition with these caps :(
this hobby(obsession) is killing my bank account..
Welcome to Wallethack :p
thank you :'(
The best place on Earth to be at, along side with any decent strip club :thumb: :thumb: :thumb: :thumb: .
Post by: rsadek on Sun, 27 September 2015, 03:06:12
Errrrm....I like to agree with Elrick because he is the best; on this point we differ.i am kind of hoping they don't release an actual edition with these caps :(
this hobby(obsession) is killing my bank account..
Welcome to Wallethack :p
thank you :'(
The best place on Earth to be at, along side with any decent strip club :thumb: :thumb: :thumb: :thumb: .
I have been only to one strip club which was not operational, closed repairs and preparation for peak pheasant hunting season. Its the big business part of the year. I went at mid day to photograph it. The scene was empty, dark, and filthy. I left feeling the same way. Perhaps things are different where Elrick is, half a world away from that dump; I think we're all better off here at Geekhack.
Now, suddenly I don't feel so bad about my keyboard spending....Elrick, you sly dog, you've done it again! :thumb: Well played sir, well played.
-R
Post by: Charizard on Tue, 29 September 2015, 00:25:07
Post by: Matt3o on Fri, 02 October 2015, 06:16:34
Topre finally agreed at adding compatibility for all the following keyaboards:
- Full and TKL RealForce, both ANSI and ISO
- HHKB
- Leopold 660C
PS: ISO compatibility will be just ISO enter and a couple of blanks
THIS IS GONNA BE LEGEN...
Post by: tofgerl on Fri, 02 October 2015, 06:18:58
Post by: raymogi on Fri, 02 October 2015, 06:20:58
I have great news guys!
Topre finally agreed at adding compatibility for all the following keyaboards:
- Full and TKL RealForce, both ANSI and ISO
- HHKB
- Leopold 660C
PS: ISO compatibility will be just ISO enter and a couple of blanks
THIS IS GONNA BE LEGEN...
WOW.
Finally a reason to buy a 660C.
Post by: Matt3o on Fri, 02 October 2015, 07:00:25
Post by: nathanrosspowell on Fri, 02 October 2015, 07:49:02
Post by: Chedda7 on Fri, 02 October 2015, 09:19:41
I have great news guys!
Topre finally agreed at adding compatibility for all the following keyaboards:
- Full and TKL RealForce, both ANSI and ISO
- HHKB
- Leopold 660C
PS: ISO compatibility will be just ISO enter and a couple of blanks
THIS IS GONNA BE LEGEN...
This is most unexpected... :D
I guess I should start saving now.
Post by: romevi on Fri, 02 October 2015, 09:26:53
Post by: ideus on Fri, 02 October 2015, 09:30:38
variant 2Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/5TA7lRe.png)
These colors look cool.
Post by: iamtootallforthis on Fri, 02 October 2015, 09:45:29
Post by: dutC4 on Fri, 02 October 2015, 12:14:52
Post by: a_ak57 on Fri, 02 October 2015, 12:19:28
I have great news guys!:llama: :llama: :llama:
Topre finally agreed at adding compatibility for all the following keyaboards:
- Full and TKL RealForce, both ANSI and ISO
- HHKB
- Leopold 660C
PS: ISO compatibility will be just ISO enter and a couple of blanks
THIS IS GONNA BE LEGEN...
Though just to clarify, do you mean they'll have full support i.e. the HHKB keys will have the appropriate legends (i.e. the HHKB backspace will have the BS symbol rather than just be the |\ key from the regular set, letter keys with the arrows on the front, etc)? Or is it still the RF set and its legends but with a short shift and whatever to be physically compatible?
Post by: Flyersfan1 on Fri, 02 October 2015, 12:27:43
(http://thesource.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/05/youtherealmvp.jpg)
Post by: Repoman on Fri, 02 October 2015, 13:08:20
Hopefully this is the start of Topre doing some cooler stuff. Seems crazy how hard it is to get replacement caps for these boards
Which makes me wonder... @Matt3o how is this going to work with your design? Will topre be moulding an ABS spacebar for the set with a seperate massdrop for a PBT version?
Just picked up my order of the PBT replacement spacebars from Massdrop and I'm impressed with the quality. Thockiness of the HHKB just went up dramatically :D
Post by: btctopre on Fri, 02 October 2015, 20:20:25
Topre finally agreed at adding compatibility for all the following keyboards:fam... thank you for all of your hard work :-* i'm definitely in now when this goes down.
- Full and TKL RealForce, both ANSI and ISO
- HHKB
- Leopold 660C
also thank you to Topre/Realforce for supporting your secondary users. despite the differences in what branding may be on our keyboards, we're all Topre underneath ;)
Post by: Belfong on Fri, 02 October 2015, 20:39:36
Post by: do_Og@n on Fri, 02 October 2015, 21:20:21
Post by: rowdy on Fri, 02 October 2015, 22:48:36
I have great news guys!
Topre finally agreed at adding compatibility for all the following keyaboards:
- Full and TKL RealForce, both ANSI and ISO
- HHKB
- Leopold 660C
PS: ISO compatibility will be just ISO enter and a couple of blanks
THIS IS GONNA BE LEGEN...
I'm gonna need a bigger wallet :eek:
Post by: romevi on Fri, 02 October 2015, 23:25:16
I have great news guys!
Topre finally agreed at adding compatibility for all the following keyaboards:
- Full and TKL RealForce, both ANSI and ISO
- HHKB
- Leopold 660C
PS: ISO compatibility will be just ISO enter and a couple of blanks
THIS IS GONNA BE LEGEN...
I'm gonna need a bigger wallet :eek:
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Post by: Bomble on Sat, 03 October 2015, 00:40:18
Post by: rowdy on Sat, 03 October 2015, 00:42:58
I have great news guys!
Topre finally agreed at adding compatibility for all the following keyaboards:
- Full and TKL RealForce, both ANSI and ISO
- HHKB
- Leopold 660C
PS: ISO compatibility will be just ISO enter and a couple of blanks
THIS IS GONNA BE LEGEN...
I'm gonna need a bigger wallet :eek:
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Yep :)
Post by: ideus on Sat, 03 October 2015, 00:46:34
Post by: chiefgrillz on Sat, 03 October 2015, 08:01:53
I have great news guys!
Topre finally agreed at adding compatibility for all the following keyaboards:
- Full and TKL RealForce, both ANSI and ISO
- HHKB
- Leopold 660C
PS: ISO compatibility will be just ISO enter and a couple of blanks
THIS IS GONNA BE LEGEN...
wow i have no idea how you managed this but well done !! :thumb:
do you know if they are planning to just release 1 option for people to buy with everything included? or will there be different variations to purchase?
Post by: Matt3o on Sat, 03 October 2015, 08:41:44
do you know if they are planning to just release 1 option for people to buy with everything included? or will there be different variations to purchase?
the idea is to have just 1 big set, but it's not clear yet.
Are these sets made with thick or thin key cap wall?
these are standard topre key caps.
@Matt3o how is this going to work with your design? Will topre be moulding an ABS spacebar for the set with a seperate massdrop for a PBT version?
On MD you'll get the set with 2 spacebars bundled (1 ABS and 1 PBT). I don't know if topre will sell them elsewhere, in that case you'd get ABS only.
Post by: jamster on Sat, 03 October 2015, 09:45:56
Post by: a_ak57 on Sat, 03 October 2015, 09:59:25
Post by: yomammary on Sat, 03 October 2015, 18:05:46
I've read through this entire thread and might have missed it, but has one of the colourways been finalised on yet?Skull squadron (page 6). One of those variants.
Post by: Matt3o on Sun, 04 October 2015, 01:07:33
Hmm, you quoted my name but that wasn't my line. Did you have a response to my question about the legends and accidentally deleted it? I do have another question though: is the red going to be the shade of the existing red ESC or ctrl keys? It'd be nice if you could convince them of the latter so we can match it with the spacebar.
sorry, yes, the legends will be as close as possible to the original. The red should be "Topre red".
Post by: livingspeedbump on Mon, 05 October 2015, 11:06:52
Thats probably the one choice that won't tempt me at all. Not that it isnt a great design, just not for me. I was hoping for a more standard color layout with the set, allowing me to mix and match it with all the existing topre sets if i wanted as well. A standard set seems to just give you a lot more bang for your buck in this sense, as well as be more consistent looking for whatever board you end up buying it for.
Still, wishing the best of luck on this. I know it will be huge :thumb:
Post by: dante on Mon, 05 October 2015, 12:42:10
Post by: cooldiscretion on Mon, 05 October 2015, 12:52:46
I would love to buy this set preinstalled on a 104 55g. Matt do you think you can ask them if they will ever consider selling a 55g fullsize again? It's been around 5 years since they sold one. :(
Wow, they had those for sale at once? That's pretty cool.
Post by: dante on Mon, 05 October 2015, 13:15:53
I would love to buy this set preinstalled on a 104 55g. Matt do you think you can ask them if they will ever consider selling a 55g fullsize again? It's been around 5 years since they sold one. :(
Wow, they had those for sale at once? That's pretty cool.
They sold a 103UB 55g that EK carried around 2009, then they sold a very limited 104 55g for South Korea - which I haven't seen anywhere except a couple youtube videos. Haven't seen anything since. :(
Post by: SpAmRaY on Mon, 05 October 2015, 13:34:13
The royal kludge not doing it for you?I would love to buy this set preinstalled on a 104 55g. Matt do you think you can ask them if they will ever consider selling a 55g fullsize again? It's been around 5 years since they sold one. :(
Wow, they had those for sale at once? That's pretty cool.
They sold a 103UB 55g that EK carried around 2009, then they sold a very limited 104 55g for South Korea - which I haven't seen anywhere except a couple youtube videos. Haven't seen anything since. :(
I could have pieced together a 104 55g board but sold my 87U 55g the other day.
Post by: geniekid on Mon, 05 October 2015, 15:46:46
:thumb:
Post by: dante on Mon, 05 October 2015, 16:46:40
The royal kludge not doing it for you?I would love to buy this set preinstalled on a 104 55g. Matt do you think you can ask them if they will ever consider selling a 55g fullsize again? It's been around 5 years since they sold one. :(
Wow, they had those for sale at once? That's pretty cool.
They sold a 103UB 55g that EK carried around 2009, then they sold a very limited 104 55g for South Korea - which I haven't seen anywhere except a couple youtube videos. Haven't seen anything since. :(
I could have pieced together a 104 55g board but sold my 87U 55g the other day.
The RK is just fine - and there are things I like about it better than the RF; however now that you can get PBT spacebars and such I would love a fullsize 55g Realforce if they ever offer it.
Post by: Bucake on Wed, 07 October 2015, 10:59:37
really awesome news about extended compatibility, grats matt : )
can't wait to see the set!
Post by: Wildcard on Thu, 08 October 2015, 13:38:45
I have great news guys!
Topre finally agreed at adding compatibility for all the following keyaboards:
- Full and TKL RealForce, both ANSI and ISO
- HHKB
- Leopold 660C
PS: ISO compatibility will be just ISO enter and a couple of blanks
THIS IS GONNA BE LEGEN...
Just wow...
Post by: Michael on Thu, 08 October 2015, 13:54:23
I have great news guys!
Topre finally agreed at adding compatibility for all the following keyaboards:
- HHKB
(http://i.imgur.com/OJZMVUF.gif)
Post by: a_ak57 on Thu, 08 October 2015, 14:25:38
I hope the yellow stripe ends up on the number row for the HHKB users...but even if it doesn't this is already a great accomplishment.
:thumb:
Oh, I didn't even think about that. I know the first set of squadrons had the yellow number row but indeed the latest iteration he showed off had the yellow on the F row. Would be kind of a shame to miss out on that, but the 104 set looking nice obviously comes first.
Though to be ungrateful and ask for more yet again matt3o, is there any chance you can get them to include 23U compatibility? I'm guessing that's too niche even compared to HHKB but figure it'd be worth asking about.
Post by: Matt3o on Sat, 10 October 2015, 08:16:18
I hope the yellow stripe ends up on the number row for the HHKB users...but even if it doesn't this is already a great accomplishment.
:thumb:
Oh, I didn't even think about that. I know the first set of squadrons had the yellow number row but indeed the latest iteration he showed off had the yellow on the F row. Would be kind of a shame to miss out on that, but the 104 set looking nice obviously comes first.
Though to be ungrateful and ask for more yet again matt3o, is there any chance you can get them to include 23U compatibility? I'm guessing that's too niche even compared to HHKB but figure it'd be worth asking about.
that depends on pricing, we are still waiting for the final street price and then will see
Post by: ccc24 on Sat, 17 October 2015, 15:37:07
Post by: dario on Tue, 20 October 2015, 12:30:57
I guess it wouldn't be much of a problem since the Topre itself stated they would not be molding any PBT spacebars, so there has to be a separate production for those anyway. Making few hundreds samples more than needed for the keyset won't make much of a difference in a logistical sense I guess. And it would sure make happy all of us who missed the first opportunity to get one. :(
I mean, c'mon, more than 550 people on massdrop requested this product again, this is maybe the most wanted rerun of any product ever. ;D
Post by: Porkins on Sat, 24 October 2015, 22:34:21
I wonder if there is a chance to make another massdrop round of black/red/blue PBT spacebars in the same time when this new keyset will be ready for distribution.
I guess it wouldn't be much of a problem since the Topre itself stated they would not be molding any PBT spacebars, so there has to be a separate production for those anyway. Making few hundreds samples more than needed for the keyset won't make much of a difference in a logistical sense I guess. And it would sure make happy all of us who missed the first opportunity to get one. :(
I mean, c'mon, more than 550 people on massdrop requested this product again, this is maybe the most wanted rerun of any product ever. ;D
I second this. I would absolutely love one of those blue spacebars. Last time I checked massdrop was over 500 requested for another drop on this.
Post by: ika on Sat, 24 October 2015, 23:05:20
...this is maybe the most wanted rerun of any product ever. ;D
Granite and Ergodox Infinity would like to have a word with you.
Anyway it would be nice to have an updated OP so people don't have to dig through the thread to see what the planned design is going to look like. Should be this:
(http://i.imgur.com/5TA7lRe.png)
Post by: pesky brat on Sat, 24 October 2015, 23:33:15
Post by: Porkins on Sat, 24 October 2015, 23:34:09
Post by: ccc24 on Sat, 24 October 2015, 23:39:27
I believe it is confirmed to be Skulk Squadron, just not sure which variant.
Where was the color scheme confirmed?
Ah nevermind saw couple pages back he was working on skull squadron
Post by: ApocalypseMaow on Sun, 25 October 2015, 00:31:30
This guy get its :-*I have great news guys!
Topre finally agreed at adding compatibility for all the following keyaboards:
- HHKBShow Image(http://i.imgur.com/OJZMVUF.gif)
Will someone slap me when this is up for sale... I'm working 6 days a week and feel like I'll miss it...
Post by: jerue on Sun, 25 October 2015, 01:42:29
imagine this on a graphite colored case, 55g uniform and silenced.
that would be damn near an end-game board.
Hmm...if it means making a fellow user's dream come true I kinda have to purchase a set now :) (already have the graphite digilog, 55g 87u and hypersphere rings)
Post by: hrinfinity on Sun, 25 October 2015, 02:06:37
Anyway it would be nice to have an updated OP so people don't have to dig through the thread to see what the planned design is going to look like. Should be this:Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/5TA7lRe.png)
Thanks for posting this. Saved me some flipping through the thread again :p
Post by: mixenmatch on Sun, 25 October 2015, 23:44:04
(and to make a primary color set possible with the blue esc/red ctrl)
Post by: Kola93 on Sun, 25 October 2015, 23:57:40
Or even better, all Red keycaps! ^-^
For a classy looking keyboard, I feel that more people would prefer the traditional Topre text legends.
Post by: Matt3o on Mon, 26 October 2015, 01:38:24
it seems though Topre is having some afterthoughts about compatibility with other keyboards. I'm still waiting a final decision on that.
Post by: ccc24 on Mon, 26 October 2015, 01:42:02
we will have a PBT spacebar.
it seems though Topre is having some afterthoughts about compatibility with other keyboards. I'm still waiting a final decision on that.
Boo! Offering a HHKB layout will guarantee sales for sure.
Post by: rowdy on Mon, 26 October 2015, 04:23:44
Probably.
Post by: Bucake on Mon, 26 October 2015, 06:04:47
thanks for keeping us up to date matt3o!
Post by: jerue on Mon, 26 October 2015, 11:30:39
we will have a PBT spacebar.
it seems though Topre is having some afterthoughts about compatibility with other keyboards. I'm still waiting a final decision on that.
I hope HHKB is supported. It's just the shift key mostly...the rest can be scrounged up from the regular set. No HHKB would be a bit like shooting themselves in the foot though I know business is a bit different in Japan.
Post by: cooldiscretion on Mon, 26 October 2015, 11:45:19
we will have a PBT spacebar.
it seems though Topre is having some afterthoughts about compatibility with other keyboards. I'm still waiting a final decision on that.
Dear Topre,
(http://i0.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/original/000/547/525/7ec.png)
Post by: a_ak57 on Mon, 26 October 2015, 15:13:30
Post by: dario on Mon, 26 October 2015, 16:18:49
"Make my keycaps as widespread on the market as possible" is more like the western way of thinking.
Topre never even bothered to sell their own keyboards on the international market, let alone accessories for some other company's product. So I'm not really optimistic about this, but then again, I'm not optimistic about anything, so don't mind me, just passing by... ;D
Post by: chiefgrillz on Tue, 27 October 2015, 18:59:30
Remember, people, we are talking about Japan here. ;D Completely different mindset.
"Make my keycaps as widespread on the market as possible" is more like the western way of thinking.
Topre never even bothered to sell their own keyboards on the international market, let alone accessories for some other company's product. So I'm not really optimistic about this, but then again, I'm not optimistic about anything, so don't mind me, just passing by... ;D
hmm it was a surprise they were thinking about offering extra compatibility. i really hope they follow through.
.. and this is from someone who has uses a topre approved 'proper' realforce - i have no desire to use a HHKB or FC660C but it just seems like common sense they will sell more units if they support them!
Post by: ccc24 on Tue, 27 October 2015, 19:30:07
Post by: Butter on Tue, 27 October 2015, 22:11:28
Post by: whiskerbiskit on Thu, 29 October 2015, 08:48:47
Post by: Porkins on Thu, 29 October 2015, 08:51:56
Damn I want a new set for my Fc660c :(The FC660C seems to be the red headed step child of 60% boards.
Post by: rowdy on Thu, 29 October 2015, 16:24:22
Damn I want a new set for my Fc660c :(The FC660C seems to be the red headed step child of 60% boards.
FC660C seems to have more keycap options (at least across variations of the board) then HHKB, which has only black or white, printed or blank.
Post by: Porkins on Thu, 29 October 2015, 16:28:19
I meant more that it seems to get ignored more by group buy creators. I always see them mention HHKB but rarely ever the fc660.Damn I want a new set for my Fc660c :(The FC660C seems to be the red headed step child of 60% boards.
FC660C seems to have more keycap options (at least across variations of the board) then HHKB, which has only black or white, printed or blank.
Post by: rowdy on Thu, 29 October 2015, 16:36:58
I meant more that it seems to get ignored more by group buy creators. I always see them mention HHKB but rarely ever the fc660.Damn I want a new set for my Fc660c :(The FC660C seems to be the red headed step child of 60% boards.
FC660C seems to have more keycap options (at least across variations of the board) then HHKB, which has only black or white, printed or blank.
There are very few, if any, group buys for Topre keycap sets.
Now there is a new Topre keycap set in the works, and FC660C compatibility, as well as HHKB support, would make a lot of people very happy.
Post by: Air tree on Sat, 31 October 2015, 04:26:36
Post by: W_hinklebottom on Sun, 01 November 2015, 13:11:56
Post by: Bucake on Sun, 01 November 2015, 14:06:10
but i'll be doing the hhkb-dance for all of you fans out there!
i'm still totally curious to the final look of this set,
i pray everyday.
Post by: Latin00032 on Sun, 01 November 2015, 14:08:38
Post by: tofgerl on Sun, 01 November 2015, 14:19:30
Post by: Chedda7 on Sun, 01 November 2015, 22:50:51
Post by: a_ak57 on Sun, 01 November 2015, 22:57:34
if it is the latter, hopefully we'll at least get 23U support >_>
Post by: Chedda7 on Sun, 01 November 2015, 23:06:30
if it is the latter, hopefully we'll at least get 23U support >_>
Yep. Personally I would say 23U>HHKB>FC660C in terms of support. I mean come on, 23U is a RF product.
Post by: Kliwon on Tue, 03 November 2015, 19:51:42
Post by: Matt3o on Wed, 04 November 2015, 04:41:29
this is going at kabuki-speed
Post by: Bartlebum on Wed, 04 November 2015, 06:01:52
topre pls, don't let me down babe. HHKB4lyfe <3
I would love to be able to customize my HHKB a bit more for sure. Only a few artisans support it, no case options, no keyset options... But it is an amazing keyboard.
Post by: ApocalypseMaow on Wed, 04 November 2015, 06:04:33
Unfortunately I'm still waiting for a final decision...Ah no worries... I think most of us will be happy just to get a set for topre period!!!
this is going at kabuki-speed
Hopefully this goes over really well and they see this can be very good for their brand as a whole...
Post by: yomammary on Wed, 04 November 2015, 07:17:59
Gives us more time to save money first hahaUnfortunately I'm still waiting for a final decision...Ah no worries... I think most of us will be happy just to get a set for topre period!!!
this is going at kabuki-speed
Hopefully this goes over really well and they see this can be very good for their brand as a whole...
Post by: frostylove on Wed, 04 November 2015, 15:50:14
Post by: rowdy on Wed, 04 November 2015, 19:37:27
My hhkb gonna change a lot! :'(
Hopefully HHKB support will be included.
Post by: W_hinklebottom on Thu, 05 November 2015, 10:14:47
Post by: Chedda7 on Thu, 05 November 2015, 14:42:09
I suppose the worst case scenario HHKB users could just use a artisan shift key. Maybe a maker like Kudos would be wiling to make one that color matches the set if it is just one key.
That's.....actually a really great idea!
Post by: W_hinklebottom on Thu, 05 November 2015, 16:13:47
I suppose the worst case scenario HHKB users could just use a artisan shift key. Maybe a maker like Kudos would be wiling to make one that color matches the set if it is just one key.
That's.....actually a really great idea!
Yeah! my first non s*** post!
Post by: jsmonet on Sun, 08 November 2015, 03:07:42
release the massdrop. destroy my wallet.
Post by: KRKS on Sun, 08 November 2015, 10:02:27
I suppose the worst case scenario HHKB users could just use a artisan shift key. Maybe a maker like Kudos would be wiling to make one that color matches the set if it is just one key.
I think they'll at least provide JIS keys so right Shift shouldn't be a problem. Unless HHKB Shift is somehow different?
Post by: Bucake on Sun, 08 November 2015, 20:25:10
I suppose the worst case scenario HHKB users could just use a artisan shift key. Maybe a maker like Kudos would be wiling to make one that color matches the set if it is just one key.
I think they'll at least provide JIS keys so right Shift shouldn't be a problem. Unless HHKB Shift is somehow different?
i presume they are the same (1.75 and same row), so i guess JIS support should provide HHKB support :o
Post by: ccc24 on Wed, 11 November 2015, 22:56:53
Post by: Chedda7 on Wed, 11 November 2015, 22:58:43
if they plan on producing a new keyset they should produce some individual 55g domes as well :p
Technically they only need to sell those domes individually, they already produce them :thumb:
Post by: Glenmael on Wed, 11 November 2015, 23:12:10
...this is maybe the most wanted rerun of any product ever. ;D
Granite and Ergodox Infinity would like to have a word with you.
Anyway it would be nice to have an updated OP so people don't have to dig through the thread to see what the planned design is going to look like. Should be this:Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/5TA7lRe.png)
Thanks for this dude :thumb:
(I nearly cast a vote for the purple colorway.)
Post by: crbr on Fri, 20 November 2015, 11:47:42
Any change we can get a custom layout for the 23U as well? That + key on the full keyboard layout won't work with the 23U.
Post by: swill on Fri, 20 November 2015, 13:45:32
Are all the design options that are on the table in the OP? Will there be a vote or something to have a formal popularity comparison?
Sorry if this stuff has already been covered. I don't want to have to go back and read through the whole thread...
Post by: Matt3o on Sat, 21 November 2015, 11:05:22
This is only the first step in our collaboration anyway, if they see interest it is very likely that the next time they'll agree on a wider compatibility.
Post by: whmeltonjr on Sat, 21 November 2015, 11:08:35
Post by: romevi on Sat, 21 November 2015, 11:10:00
The group buy should start in few hours. Unfortunately despite all my efforts Topre didn't want to add HHKB compatibility (initially they seemed okay with that but changed their minds a couple of times along the road).
This is only the first step in our collaboration anyway, if they see interest it is very likely that the next time they'll agree on a wider compatibility.
Holy shoot, that's soon. November is packed!
Post by: Matt3o on Sat, 21 November 2015, 11:56:09
(http://i.imgur.com/oALecxb.jpg)
Post by: Bromono on Sat, 21 November 2015, 14:41:45
very quick renderShow Image(http://i.imgur.com/oALecxb.jpg)
=) I really like this. I wonder how good it will look on the digilog.
Post by: Jedi on Sat, 21 November 2015, 17:04:59
Post by: romevi on Sat, 21 November 2015, 17:19:25
Post by: Jedi on Sat, 21 November 2015, 17:54:46
Post by: alienman82 on Sat, 21 November 2015, 18:53:18
Post by: Jedi on Sat, 21 November 2015, 19:43:49
Post by: ccc24 on Sat, 21 November 2015, 20:06:40
Post by: raymogi on Sat, 21 November 2015, 20:09:05
Post by: Chedda7 on Sun, 22 November 2015, 01:08:21
next time they'll agree on a wider compatibility.
Are you just talking generally or is there a plan for more designs?
Post by: Chedda7 on Sun, 22 November 2015, 01:11:27
Post by: rowdy on Sun, 22 November 2015, 01:44:04
The group buy should start in few hours. Unfortunately despite all my efforts Topre didn't want to add HHKB compatibility (initially they seemed okay with that but changed their minds a couple of times along the road).
This is only the first step in our collaboration anyway, if they see interest it is very likely that the next time they'll agree on a wider compatibility.
Any comments on FC660C compatibility?
Post by: Matt3o on Sun, 22 November 2015, 02:12:51
next time they'll agree on a wider compatibility.
Are you just talking generally or is there a plan for more designs?
yes, there will be more, but this one has to sell well.
Fingers crossed they bundle it with a $200 titanium camping stove!
LOL!
Post by: whmeltonjr on Sun, 22 November 2015, 02:16:42
Post by: Glenmael on Sun, 22 November 2015, 02:45:27
Fingers crossed they bundle it with a $200 titanium camping stove!
That was too damn funny!
At least MD means it'll get a run :thumb:
Post by: btctopre on Sun, 22 November 2015, 09:07:29
The GB will be on MassDrop. It's realforce only, both ISO and ANSI, with PBT spacebars and some extra keys.ISO and ANSI combo works for my HHKB layout (sort of), looking like it might be time to waste some dollars.
Post by: sitch on Sun, 22 November 2015, 10:49:12
Post by: Matt3o on Sun, 22 November 2015, 11:30:23
darn can't wait for this to drop, seems like white case is looking better with this set, no? :-X
nah they both look great!
Post by: ccc24 on Sun, 22 November 2015, 12:04:23
Post by: a_ak57 on Sun, 22 November 2015, 14:45:47
The group buy should start in few hours. Unfortunately despite all my efforts Topre didn't want to add HHKB compatibility (initially they seemed okay with that but changed their minds a couple of times along the road).
This is only the first step in our collaboration anyway, if they see interest it is very likely that the next time they'll agree on a wider compatibility.
That's a shame but thanks for trying. Unless the price is really good I'll probably be passing then. And I feel like that's a double edged sword, there's by default going to be less interest because the HHKB/FC660C users are excluded.
Post by: tofgerl on Sun, 22 November 2015, 15:07:23
Post by: Matt3o on Sun, 22 November 2015, 16:53:38
To be honest the colorway wouldn't make sense on any 60%, be it FC660C or HHKB. It kind of needs the F-row to stand out. It gets boring else.
I agree, in fact the HHKB and leopold versions were slightly different, hopefully next time.
Post by: ccc24 on Sun, 22 November 2015, 18:26:09
Post by: rowdy on Sun, 22 November 2015, 19:37:36
where is the GB?
https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=74413.msg1944572#msg1944572
Post by: intelli78 on Sun, 22 November 2015, 19:39:34
Post by: livingspeedbump on Sun, 22 November 2015, 22:19:00
No HHKB or Leopold support is a real head scratcher. It is such an incremental effort to include those and it dramatically increases the pool of buyers. :(
Like that matters hahaha. This is Topre we are dealing with here :p
But really, totally agree. That would be a real buzzkill, and sales killer I think if they don't include support for those.
Post by: e_l_tang on Sun, 22 November 2015, 22:56:06
Post by: Matt3o on Mon, 23 November 2015, 01:33:29
No HHKB or Leopold support is a real head scratcher. It is such an incremental effort to include those and it dramatically increases the pool of buyers. :(
I agree... but what can I do? :(
Post by: yomammary on Mon, 23 November 2015, 07:26:38
Post by: mashby on Mon, 23 November 2015, 08:51:11
No HHKB or Leopold support is a real head scratcher. It is such an incremental effort to include those and it dramatically increases the pool of buyers. :(
I agree... but what can I do? :(
Da fuh? Matt3o, do you mean to tell me that your powers of mind control only work on me?!?!
Actually, that makes me feel kinda special. *blush*
Post by: ideus on Mon, 23 November 2015, 08:55:16
very quick renderShow Image(http://i.imgur.com/oALecxb.jpg)
Reminiscence of the skull squadron.
Post by: ghastone on Mon, 23 November 2015, 09:22:43
Post by: Infrared on Mon, 23 November 2015, 12:50:34
Post by: potatowire on Mon, 23 November 2015, 14:19:58
Fingers crossed they bundle it with a $200 titanium camping stove!
Ha! This made my day.
Post by: Charizard on Tue, 24 November 2015, 03:07:25
Post by: Matt3o on Tue, 24 November 2015, 06:26:51
Post by: Matt3o on Tue, 24 November 2015, 06:29:46
Post by: keshley on Tue, 24 November 2015, 06:43:58
I now have the urge to watch Macross and Robotech.
Post by: yomammary on Tue, 24 November 2015, 06:49:36
Post by: raymogi on Tue, 24 November 2015, 06:51:54
God, what color do I pick for the extras? :'(
I'm leaning towards green myself... or purple?
Post by: keshley on Tue, 24 November 2015, 06:57:20
God, what color do I pick for the extras? :'(
I'm leaning towards green myself... or purple?
I went with blue, since it fits the UN Spacy colors. Purple is more of a Zentradi color. :cool:
Post by: mobbo on Tue, 24 November 2015, 07:05:04
Post by: sitch on Tue, 24 November 2015, 07:07:26
PS: https://www.massdrop.com/buy/custom-topre-keycap-set?mode=guest_open
Please suggest color for extra kit, I have the black case. I believe in you :p
Post by: Infrared on Tue, 24 November 2015, 07:14:48
Do we know for sure we doin this at Massdrop's house?
https://www.massdrop.com/buy/custom-topre-keycap-set
there ya go
Post by: romevi on Tue, 24 November 2015, 07:14:51
God, what color do I pick for the extras? :'(I blue myself.
PS: https://www.massdrop.com/buy/custom-topre-keycap-set?mode=guest_open
Matt3o,what color scheme will you pick?
Post by: sitch on Tue, 24 November 2015, 07:32:16
Post by: sth on Tue, 24 November 2015, 07:35:15
Post by: Matt3o on Tue, 24 November 2015, 07:42:23
Post by: romevi on Tue, 24 November 2015, 07:54:52
since the set already has some blue in the extras, I would pick green gamer-kit.
Oh, the blue set is already included, then? Nice!
I realize the description said everything in the render is included, but for some reason thought the Extras were separate.
That makes it easier!
Post by: yomammary on Tue, 24 November 2015, 08:09:21
I thought the same. Great!since the set already has some blue in the extras, I would pick green gamer-kit.
Oh, the blue set is already included, then? Nice!
I realize the description said everything in the render is included, but for some reason thought the Extras were separate.
That makes it easier!
Post by: btctopre on Tue, 24 November 2015, 09:09:37
Post by: Belfong on Tue, 24 November 2015, 09:19:37
Post by: sth on Tue, 24 November 2015, 09:21:00
I don’t really like the price but if I don’t support this initiative, we’ll not see the light of any future projects by Topre. We have to make this successful!
i don't believe that's true
Post by: jdcarpe on Tue, 24 November 2015, 09:23:14
Do we know for sure we doin this at Massdrop's house?
https://www.massdrop.com/buy/custom-topre-keycap-set
there ya go
Please to always append "?mode=guest_open" at the end of all Massdrop links. Thanks!
https://www.massdrop.com/buy/custom-topre-keycap-set?mode=guest_open
Post by: redskull on Tue, 24 November 2015, 09:24:27
Post by: btctopre on Tue, 24 November 2015, 09:42:34
so what keys will be missing for a HHKB compatibility? wish we could just get the gamer sets seperately. :(Right now, for technically-accurate legends- 1.75u L_Ctrl, 1.5u R_Del/BS, 1.75u R_Shift, 1u R_Function. For a functioning set, it just needs the L_Ctrl though so you can put L_Caps where R_Shift goes without having to use the novelty blue key. Be the usual incorrect height profile though.
Post by: iamtootallforthis on Tue, 24 November 2015, 09:42:46
Post by: Jedi on Tue, 24 November 2015, 10:08:06
Post by: romevi on Tue, 24 November 2015, 10:09:34
Glad I'm in on this buy. Been staring at a dark 87U for far too long. Hey Matt3o, will there be enough keys to fit the 23U numpad? I'm certain I will have a 104 eventually, but for now its the 87U and 23U for me. Thanks for getting this set to the group buy stage.
I feel ya. I love the 87UB but cannot stand the dark-on-dark caps. If I can buy the Anniversary Edition I would.
The only issue with the numpad is the extra row on top and the 0-00 instead of the large 0. You can put the other buttons on there, though.
Post by: btctopre on Tue, 24 November 2015, 10:17:45
Post by: a_ak57 on Tue, 24 November 2015, 10:23:51
Glad I'm in on this buy. Been staring at a dark 87U for far too long. Hey Matt3o, will there be enough keys to fit the 23U numpad? I'm certain I will have a 104 eventually, but for now its the 87U and 23U for me. Thanks for getting this set to the group buy stage.
Well, you'd have to use the WASD + arrow keys from the extras kit so it'd look weird but you'd have enough. The 0 key on the 23U is split and they have single unit plus/minus keys instead of the traditional 2U plus key, then there's the 4 single unit keys for the top row so you'd need 8 single unit keys. Though I dunno how they'd line up in terms of profile.
BTW matt3o, are the blue keys the same as the limited edition ctrl set/your spacebar or are they actually as dark as they look? And did I miss it or are there no renders for the other colors for the extras kit? If there aren't renders, can you describe what the colors will be like? Like is the green a lime green, forest green, etc.
Post by: HoffmanMyster on Tue, 24 November 2015, 10:40:44
I see that the colorway has been selected and is up on Massdrop; is it only available with the icon-only modifier legends? Will this be the trend moving forward with any future sets? Is there hope of additional colorways in the (hopefully near) future? Is there any chance of full HHKB and FC660C support? (I think I saw matt3o mention that RealForce was not interested at this time, but I'm in denial :P )
Regardless, I am super excited to see this happening at all. :D
Post by: iamtootallforthis on Tue, 24 November 2015, 10:43:36
I've been wayyyy out of the loop on this whole venture, so pardon the uninformed questions.
I see that the colorway has been selected and is up on Massdrop; is it only available with the icon-only modifier legends? Will this be the trend moving forward with any future sets? Is there hope of additional colorways in the (hopefully near) future? Is there any chance of full HHKB and FC660C support? (I think I saw matt3o mention that RealForce was not interested at this time, but I'm in denial :P )
Regardless, I am super excited to see this happening at all. :D
I can't answer all your questions, but Matt30 fought for HHKB and FC660C support but they were a no go for this buy but I don't think they are off the table. The additional colorways in the future seem to be a thing as hinted in the Massdrop page.
Post by: tofgerl on Tue, 24 November 2015, 11:16:30
Of course, I only have a 660C, so I won't get this anyway.
Post by: Matt3o on Tue, 24 November 2015, 12:10:28
I see that the colorway has been selected and is up on Massdrop; is it only available with the icon-only modifier legends? Will this be the trend moving forward with any future sets? Is there hope of additional colorways in the (hopefully near) future? Is there any chance of full HHKB and FC660C support? (I think I saw matt3o mention that RealForce was not interested at this time, but I'm in denial :P )
- icon-only
- next set will be hopefully different (more color options)
- HHKB and FC660C is a must if they want my support
I don't mind the price one bit, it's well worth it. But I mind waiting 8 months!
I totally agree.
Glad I'm in on this buy. Been staring at a dark 87U for far too long. Hey Matt3o, will there be enough keys to fit the 23U numpad? I'm certain I will have a 104 eventually, but for now its the 87U and 23U for me. Thanks for getting this set to the group buy stage.
Well, you'd have to use the WASD + arrow keys from the extras kit so it'd look weird but you'd have enough. The 0 key on the 23U is split and they have single unit plus/minus keys instead of the traditional 2U plus key, then there's the 4 single unit keys for the top row so you'd need 8 single unit keys. Though I dunno how they'd line up in terms of profile.
BTW matt3o, are the blue keys the same as the limited edition ctrl set/your spacebar or are they actually as dark as they look? And did I miss it or are there no renders for the other colors for the extras kit? If there aren't renders, can you describe what the colors will be like? Like is the green a lime green, forest green, etc.
All colors are original. The blue is pretty deep.
Regarding the gamer-sets, they are the usual Topre colors. Those are not designed by me.
Note that the add-on WASD/Arrow/Esc sets look like they'll be the standard Topre profile/legends, so they won't match-up with this matt3o set (still a really good value at $15 though).
The whole set should be in Topre profile... unless I'm missing something :)
Post by: btctopre on Tue, 24 November 2015, 12:49:21
The whole set should be in Topre profile... unless I'm missing something :)You're not. ripster wrote that it was Cherry profile (and looked like he was quoting something you wrote), I see you've corrected him fortunately though.
What about the swappable Ctrl/Caps keys? And TKL compatibility keys (specifically the left Ctrl with horizontal stem)? They're currently missing from the mockup, but I didn't see an answer as to why on here/reddit/DT/MD (though I know you previously said TKL would be included).
Post by: byker on Tue, 24 November 2015, 12:54:04
Post by: Matt3o on Tue, 24 November 2015, 12:56:48
Post by: ccc24 on Tue, 24 November 2015, 13:07:48
Post by: HoffmanMyster on Tue, 24 November 2015, 13:13:07
I see that the colorway has been selected and is up on Massdrop; is it only available with the icon-only modifier legends? Will this be the trend moving forward with any future sets? Is there hope of additional colorways in the (hopefully near) future? Is there any chance of full HHKB and FC660C support? (I think I saw matt3o mention that RealForce was not interested at this time, but I'm in denial :P )
- icon-only
- next set will be hopefully different (more color options)
- HHKB and FC660C is a must if they want my support
Thanks for the response, matt3o! Unfortunately it is a pass for me, for exactly the reasons byker listed. :( I look forward to the next set though. :thumb:
I am going to have to pass, due to the lack of hhkb support, the legends, and the colours aren't my favourite. Thanks for your work on this though matt3o.
Post by: potatowire on Tue, 24 November 2015, 13:16:26
a Ctrl/Caps swap is not included, nobody actually requested it during the prototyping phase.
Damn it! I knew there was something I forgot to ask about!
Post by: Bucake on Tue, 24 November 2015, 13:42:17
a Ctrl/Caps swap is not included, nobody actually requested it during the prototyping phase.actually.. (https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=74413.msg1832373#msg1832373)
i'm passing because the yellow is not yellow enough, the white is way too white, and i would miss the swappable ctrl and caps lock :(
thanks matt3o, looking forward to future sets!
Post by: btctopre on Tue, 24 November 2015, 13:49:52
a Ctrl/Caps swap is not included, nobody actually requested it during the prototyping phase.and the LCtrl for an 87U (apologies if its been answered somewhere already)?
I'm really not trying to be difficult, just bring clarity because the standard Realforce compatibility keycaps aren't visible in the picture:
(http://i.imgur.com/MBdURpc.jpg)
Missing-
Non-windowed Caps key for 104U (not necessary, but the window does detract from aesthetics)
Windowed Num Lock key for 87U (somewhat necessary, but not really)
Windowed horizontal-stem Ctrl Key for 87U (necessary)
And these are what I'd be referring to (windowed keycaps are 87U, non-windowed are 104U):
(http://i.imgur.com/8Ph4xxC.jpg)
Post by: livingspeedbump on Tue, 24 November 2015, 15:20:54
I am going to have to pass, due to the lack of hhkb support, the legends, and the colours aren't my favourite. Thanks for your work on this though matt3o.
Same with me.
Post by: intelli78 on Tue, 24 November 2015, 17:23:36
No HHKB or Leopold support is a real head scratcher. It is such an incremental effort to include those and it dramatically increases the pool of buyers. :(
I agree... but what can I do? :(
It sounds like you have already done what you can to convince them, and we all appreciate how much work you've put into this. Frustrating that they won't listen to reason. I hope the buy is a success anyway! I don't own an RF anymore but I will likely buy a set just to support you and future opportunities.
Post by: Belfong on Tue, 24 November 2015, 19:12:17
Post by: nmur on Tue, 24 November 2015, 19:21:18
No HHKB or Leopold support is a real head scratcher. It is such an incremental effort to include those and it dramatically increases the pool of buyers. :(
I agree... but what can I do? :(
It sounds like you have already done what you can to convince them, and we all appreciate how much work you've put into this. Frustrating that they won't listen to reason. I hope the buy is a success anyway! I don't own an RF anymore but I will likely buy a set just to support you and future opportunities.
I think it's possible that perhaps Topre would want this keyset to encourage purchases of Realforce keyboards. If they added HHKB/Leopold support, people would perhaps buy this keyset and pick up a HHKB instead or something.
I don't really know about that sort of stuff tho.
Post by: atectatifern on Tue, 24 November 2015, 21:02:11
I think it's possible that perhaps Topre would want this keyset to encourage purchases of Realforce keyboards. If they added HHKB/Leopold support, people would perhaps buy this keyset and pick up a HHKB instead or something.I guess that's one way to look at it. Another way is that people, seeing that Topre cap options are limited and Topre is doing its best to restrict innovative keysets to Realforce keyboards, might choose a Topre clone like RK or Noppoo. And Topre manufacturers the switches for the HHKB anyway. Hard to understand what they're actually accomplishing by limiting set compatibility.
Post by: btctopre on Tue, 24 November 2015, 21:34:10
lctrl 104u vs lctrl 87u:
(http://i.imgur.com/5OrrfZO.png)
Post by: Belfong on Tue, 24 November 2015, 23:19:52
1. Realforce 87 black keyboard
2. HHKB printed white alphas
3. Realforce 104 yellow printed set.
I think I am missing the white |\ key. And of course that red Enter.
Post by: Vimto on Wed, 25 November 2015, 00:17:03
Looking forward to the next set and hopefully some HHKB compatibility.
Post by: Charizard on Wed, 25 November 2015, 00:28:18
Show Image(https://massdrop-s3.imgix.net/product-images/custom-topre-keycap-set/MD-12712_20151124025431_a485c41db7af7abc.png?auto=format&fit=max&w=1189&h=622)
Well it certainly does look good in the black case as well :) Now I just need to wait to hear what the situation with TKL support is...
Post by: redskull on Wed, 25 November 2015, 00:37:02
so what keys will be missing for a HHKB compatibility? wish we could just get the gamer sets seperately. :(Right now, for technically-accurate legends- 1.75u L_Ctrl, 1.5u R_Del/BS, 1.75u R_Shift, 1u R_Function. For a functioning set, it just needs the L_Ctrl though so you can put L_Caps where R_Shift goes without having to use the novelty blue key. Be the usual incorrect height profile though.
ah, thanks man. confirms my choice to not get in on this right now.
Post by: durainello on Wed, 25 November 2015, 02:43:02
Post by: Matt3o on Wed, 25 November 2015, 03:13:08
just bumping this up again so matt sees it. current keyset mockup is missing three compatibility keycaps (mentioned previously), with the most critical one being the left ctrl key pictured below.
lctrl 104u vs lctrl 87u:Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/5OrrfZO.png)
Both versions are included. I'll make MD show that.
Post by: Weltschmerz on Wed, 25 November 2015, 03:38:39
Hey guys, if everyone passed and this failed, we are doomed for future projects. From Topre point of view this is a community driven project and yet the support is lackluster?
We all know that Matt3o put a bunch of work into it, and everyone appreciates that, but I don't think you should support something you don't like just because you want more support in general. I wouldn't go out of my way to buy keysets that I don't like just for the sake of mechanical keyboards, nor should you. I hope to see more colorways and a more classic Realforce font on future sets. I'm sure those would sell faster than the icon sets, which imo, look pretty terrible.
Post by: sth on Wed, 25 November 2015, 03:41:04
Hey guys, if everyone passed and this failed, we are doomed for future projects. From Topre point of view this is a community driven project and yet the support is lackluster?
We all know that Matt3o put a bunch of work into it, and everyone appreciates that, but I don't think you should support something you don't like just because you want more support in general. I wouldn't go out of my way to buy keysets that I don't like just for the sake of mechanical keyboards, nor should you. I hope to see more colorways and a more classic Realforce font on future sets. I'm sure those would sell faster than the icon sets, which imo, look pretty terrible.
agreed, please dont forget that topre is not a charity nor do they exist to benefit the community -- they're just taking a chance at collaborating in order to sell a special product to enthusiasts. at the end of the day topre is a large for-profit corporation and this is a drop in the bucket for them (seriously, go to their website and tell me if you think the bulk of their revenue has anything to do with realforces).
Post by: rowdy on Wed, 25 November 2015, 03:51:07
This is how it is supposed to be.
Post by: Matt3o on Wed, 25 November 2015, 03:57:27
Remember that this keyset is supposed to be something different (https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=74413.msg1849269#msg1849269), hence the colourway, plus the icon legends.
This is how it is supposed to be.
listen to the guy!
Post by: Weltschmerz on Wed, 25 November 2015, 04:51:27
Remember that this keyset is supposed to be something different (https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=74413.msg1849269#msg1849269), hence the colourway, plus the icon legends.
This is how it is supposed to be.
listen to the guy!
Oops! I never saw that part. I think that it's awesome that they are collaborating with the community to provide a new keyset, but it's just different strokes for different folks, I guess. I could never see myself buying a symbol keycap set, I just can't appreciate the font. I hope to see more topre (and alps) keysets in the future, with even more crazy options!
Post by: linuxhermit on Wed, 25 November 2015, 06:08:54
Post by: HoffmanMyster on Wed, 25 November 2015, 06:30:13
Remember that this keyset is supposed to be something different (https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=74413.msg1849269#msg1849269), hence the colourway, plus the icon legends.
This is how it is supposed to be.
Thank you for that. Very interesting. I know they don't exist to please our small community, but it is interesting that they want something so different when they have loads of people lining up to purchase the "standard" colored sets of their caps... Seems like it would be wise to satisfy that market while also trying something a bit innovative. But what do I know, I have no idea what their business looks like.
Post by: Belfong on Wed, 25 November 2015, 08:43:57
I am wondering if this is something that can be recreated today, if I have the following:
1. Realforce 87 black keyboard
2. HHKB printed white alphas
3. Realforce 104 yellow printed set.
I think I am missing the white |\ key. And of course that red Enter.
I hope Matt3o does not mind me putting a real life poor man’s replica:
(http://images.tapatalk-cdn.com/15/11/25/791b260be9adeff7eb84cfd0b30d68d8.jpg)
(http://images.tapatalk-cdn.com/15/11/25/cfb10cee8cc0611389a07f84451fc3a1.jpg)
(http://images.tapatalk-cdn.com/15/11/25/00dee7a10e379514ec9e725f9bfbbf3c.jpg)
(http://images.tapatalk-cdn.com/15/11/25/1c6fad0316ad88875b1fbf84159adbbc.jpg)
(http://images.tapatalk-cdn.com/15/11/25/5f4fb0a41e7cb57c4b79537f42127dc9.jpg)
Post by: HoffmanMyster on Wed, 25 November 2015, 08:48:57
I am wondering if this is something that can be recreated today, if I have the following:
1. Realforce 87 black keyboard
2. HHKB printed white alphas
3. Realforce 104 yellow printed set.
I think I am missing the white |\ key. And of course that red Enter.
I hope Matt3o does not mind me putting a real life poor man’s replica:Show Image(http://images.tapatalk-cdn.com/15/11/25/791b260be9adeff7eb84cfd0b30d68d8.jpg)Show Image(http://images.tapatalk-cdn.com/15/11/25/cfb10cee8cc0611389a07f84451fc3a1.jpg)Show Image(http://images.tapatalk-cdn.com/15/11/25/00dee7a10e379514ec9e725f9bfbbf3c.jpg)Show Image(http://images.tapatalk-cdn.com/15/11/25/1c6fad0316ad88875b1fbf84159adbbc.jpg)Show Image(http://images.tapatalk-cdn.com/15/11/25/5f4fb0a41e7cb57c4b79537f42127dc9.jpg)
I guarantee that cost more than this. :)) :P
Post by: Belfong on Wed, 25 November 2015, 08:51:31
Post by: btctopre on Wed, 25 November 2015, 08:52:00
Both versions are included. I'll make MD show that.Gracias, thanks a ton for relieving that concern. The drop did say TKL support at the bottom, but tbh I'm not too confident in MD's Topre competency, so just wanted to make sure.
Post by: Matt3o on Wed, 25 November 2015, 08:59:06
I hope Matt3o does not mind me putting a real life poor man’s replica:
please note that the yellow is darker (more orangy) and dark gray is lighter.
Post by: chiefgrillz on Thu, 26 November 2015, 18:29:30
Remember that this keyset is supposed to be something different (https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=74413.msg1849269#msg1849269), hence the colourway, plus the icon legends.
This is how it is supposed to be.
ok.. i have to ask this because i cant wrap my head around it.
how is this so different/original if it's so well known that you say "skull squadron" and everyone knows what it is?
https://www.google.nl/search?tbm=isch&q=skull+squadron+keycaps (https://www.google.nl/search?tbm=isch&q=skull+squadron+keycaps)
the legends are original, sure, but the color scheme?
Post by: Glenmael on Thu, 26 November 2015, 18:36:29
Remember that this keyset is supposed to be something different (https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=74413.msg1849269#msg1849269), hence the colourway, plus the icon legends.
This is how it is supposed to be.
ok.. i have to ask this because i cant wrap my head around it.
how is this so different/original if it's so well known that you say "skull squadron" and everyone knows what it is?
https://www.google.nl/search?tbm=isch&q=skull+squadron+keycaps (https://www.google.nl/search?tbm=isch&q=skull+squadron+keycaps)
the legends are original, sure, but the color scheme?
Original to the Topre world :)
Post by: durainello on Thu, 26 November 2015, 23:46:02
Post by: Elrick on Fri, 27 November 2015, 21:41:05
please note that the yellow is darker (more orangy) and dark gray is lighter.
You will always have the real problem of showing on the web the right shades because I have bought all your previous designs and on the web page, they looked either too dark or too light and faded, which is completely wrong.
When the actual key-caps arrived they looked very different indeed and they actually are perfect in front of you, so be aware that not all cameras and lcd screens will take the precise colour shade when showing his sets but do know that Matt is a designer and he knows what looks good.
Far better to have some trust here because he isn't a noob designing his very first key-set here 8) .
Post by: Elrick on Fri, 27 November 2015, 21:44:48
It's already PITA to keep the original keycaps white, can't imagine with this one.
Just stop picking your nose and typing with your boogers, not nice sunshine ;) .
I always wash my hands before using my White Thorpies, hence no chance of dirtying them. Despite working in a greasy workshop all day/night long, still manage to clean myself up before using any keyboard within my possession.
Post by: Matt3o on Sat, 28 November 2015, 00:46:56
[quote author=Matt3o link=topic=74413.msg1948053#msg1948053
When the actual key-caps arrived they looked very different indeed and they actually are perfect in front of you, so be aware that not all cameras and lcd screens will take the precise colour shade when showing his sets but do know that Matt is a designer and he knows what looks good.
this is actually a very good point
Post by: Hypersphere on Sat, 28 November 2015, 06:33:36
a Ctrl/Caps swap is not included, nobody actually requested it during the prototyping phase.Because these come standard with an RF87U, people may have assumed that a new set for this board would include this swap as well. Of course there is a lesson here about making assumptions without verification!
Post by: Bucake on Sun, 29 November 2015, 16:34:27
a Ctrl/Caps swap is not included, nobody actually requested it during the prototyping phase.Because these come standard with an RF87U, people may have assumed that a new set for this board would include this swap as well. Of course there is a lesson here about making assumptions without verification!
this had actually been asked more than once, but no reply was given.
Post by: Matt3o on Mon, 30 November 2015, 01:37:52
Post by: HoffmanMyster on Mon, 30 November 2015, 18:38:09
Remember that this keyset is supposed to be something different (https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=74413.msg1849269#msg1849269), hence the colourway, plus the icon legends.
This is how it is supposed to be.
ok.. i have to ask this because i cant wrap my head around it.
how is this so different/original if it's so well known that you say "skull squadron" and everyone knows what it is?
https://www.google.nl/search?tbm=isch&q=skull+squadron+keycaps (https://www.google.nl/search?tbm=isch&q=skull+squadron+keycaps)
the legends are original, sure, but the color scheme?
Original to the Topre world :)
In addition, the Skull Squadron set was designed by Matt3o himself, so it is "original" in the sense that he developed it and it is not a replica of another well-known vintage keyboard.
Post by: Glenmael on Mon, 30 November 2015, 20:37:33
Cheers :thumb:
Post by: Matt3o on Tue, 01 December 2015, 01:28:39
@Glenmael, that is up to MassDrop, I'll ask as soon as I catch them up, you know, Thanks Giving...
Post by: Glenmael on Tue, 01 December 2015, 15:00:02
apart from the fact that if you look closely skull squadron is different from this set (only the colors are similar, but they are distributed in a completely different way), of course the "novelty" was meant for the Topre world.
@Glenmael, that is up to MassDrop, I'll ask as soon as I catch them up, you know, Thanks Giving...
Thanks Matt.
Post by: Bucake on Thu, 03 December 2015, 20:41:44
i completely understand if you don't buy the set because the design is not pleasing to you, or you're only interested in the HHKB or FC660,
but some people are saying such unthoughtful, ugly things. it's a bit pathetic.
Post by: Glenmael on Thu, 03 December 2015, 21:08:06
what a shame to see such immaturity on MD and GH.
i completely understand if you don't buy the set because the design is not pleasing to you, or you're only interested in the HHKB or FC660,
but some people are saying such unthoughtful, ugly things. it's a bit pathetic.
Completely agree, I never understood people that go in and decide to crap talk...'ridiculous pricing' or 'don't like the design'...what are they doing there in the first place!?
Post by: yomammary on Fri, 04 December 2015, 07:34:20
I know, I stopped reading the MD comments for that reason.what a shame to see such immaturity on MD and GH.
i completely understand if you don't buy the set because the design is not pleasing to you, or you're only interested in the HHKB or FC660,
but some people are saying such unthoughtful, ugly things. it's a bit pathetic.
Completely agree, I never understood people that go in and decide to crap talk...'ridiculous pricing' or 'don't like the design'...what are they doing there in the first place!?
Post by: a_ak57 on Fri, 04 December 2015, 13:01:30
Post by: ryahirv on Tue, 08 December 2015, 11:23:47
That said, I'm really bummed to see that it doesn't look like the
Custom Topre Keycap Set
https://www.massdrop.com/buy/custom-topre-keycap-set
...is going to reach the 200 min!
I think it's a GORGEOUS set and I've been dying for something beyond the stock caps for a long long time now. :-(
Did anyone here join the drop? If not, may I ask why not?
Post by: Glenmael on Tue, 08 December 2015, 15:38:47
I agree with all about the MD comments....
That said, I'm really bummed to see that it doesn't look like the
Custom Topre Keycap Set
https://www.massdrop.com/buy/custom-topre-keycap-set
...is going to reach the 200 min!
I think it's a GORGEOUS set and I've been dying for something beyond the stock caps for a long long time now. :-(
Did anyone here join the drop? If not, may I ask why not?
I'll be joining the drop next week on Tuesday :)
So definitely add +1 to the current counter :D
Post by: ileben on Tue, 08 December 2015, 16:13:30
I'll be joining the drop next week on Tuesday :)
So definitely add +1 to the current counter :D
Massdrop doesnt charge you until the drop is complete, so might as well do it now.
Post by: Chedda7 on Tue, 08 December 2015, 16:35:34
If it doesn't I see one of two things happening. Topre either sees the need for added HHKB support and revises it or they say screw it and we never do this again.
Post by: Glenmael on Tue, 08 December 2015, 17:25:54
I'll be joining the drop next week on Tuesday :)
So definitely add +1 to the current counter :D
Massdrop doesnt charge you until the drop is complete, so might as well do it now.
I believe that PayPal do 'debit' the monies out of your account for 'holding' purposes, which means I'll have to transfer between accounts (account with savings not linked to PayPal) and this takes a couple of days...so may as well wait until I get paid :D
Post by: graefeln on Tue, 08 December 2015, 17:31:16
I joined. I really hope we get 200 orders and it moves forward.
If it doesn't I see one of two things happening. Topre either sees the need for added HHKB support and revises it or they say screw it and we never do this again.
That's what I am wondering: what happens if it fails. If it's the former and HHKB support gets added, I'm in for the redo; I fear they may just go with the latter however.
Post by: keshley on Tue, 08 December 2015, 17:33:02
Post by: Glenmael on Tue, 15 December 2015, 22:31:38
Post by: Vittra on Wed, 16 December 2015, 10:35:28
"Hey guys we are going to push this drop back for a week first.
We are in talks with Topre right now to try and make this a bit better for the community. I will keep everyone updated."
Post by: HoffmanMyster on Wed, 16 December 2015, 10:42:01
QuoteWe are in talks with Topre right now to try and make this a bit better for the community.
I have an idea... :rolleyes:
;)
Post by: mashby on Wed, 16 December 2015, 13:15:50
QuoteWe are in talks with Topre right now to try and make this a bit better for the community.
I have an idea... :rolleyes:
;)
Woo hoo!
Post by: Matt3o on Wed, 16 December 2015, 13:44:04
Post by: ideus on Wed, 16 December 2015, 13:46:42
Post by: Porkins on Wed, 16 December 2015, 14:38:39
Post by: Bucake on Thu, 17 December 2015, 07:02:38
glad to see massdrop putting in some effort as well!
i've also seen some good posts on massdrop (yes), hopefully topre will take some of the mentioned points in consideration.
cheers matt3o for not giving up on us :D
Post by: Jedi on Thu, 17 December 2015, 07:30:05
Post by: Matt3o on Thu, 17 December 2015, 10:11:48
Post by: ryahirv on Thu, 17 December 2015, 10:17:44
I really really want some new key caps for my real force
Post by: t347 on Thu, 17 December 2015, 10:45:00
I am very pleased to hear this isnt totally dead.
I really really want some new key caps for my real force
Same here, I was worried that if this drop fell through we might never see new topre keycaps again
Post by: ryahirv on Thu, 17 December 2015, 10:46:21
I am very pleased to hear this isnt totally dead.
I really really want some new key caps for my real force
Same here, I was worried that if this drop fell through we might never see new topre keycaps again
lol - The funny part is that Topre might be fretting too much over "designs" and "looks". Anything Matt3o makes I'm sure will be gorgeous and I know I will ceratinly gobble up.
Post by: Bucake on Thu, 17 December 2015, 11:01:46
people seeing the product on massdrop should be informed properly about what exactly the set contains.
there were too many questions about things like compatibility and extras, in the massdrop discussion section.
i'm not too concerned about the design, but i just hope they decide to provide a bit more compatibility.
and if they still say no to hhkb and fc660, then i hope that at least there will be full and proper TKL support. i was actually quite surprised to see that they did not provide full support for their own TKL models..
Post by: Porkins on Thu, 17 December 2015, 11:05:39
I am very pleased to hear this isnt totally dead.
I really really want some new key caps for my real force
Same here, I was worried that if this drop fell through we might never see new topre keycaps again
lol - The funny part is that Topre might be fretting too much over "designs" and "looks". Anything Matt3o makes I'm sure will be gorgeous and I know I will ceratinly gobble up.
I agree. I think Topre is over thinking this. Just add in some compatibility with more boards and I'm sure this drop would explode.
Post by: ghostjuggernaut on Thu, 17 December 2015, 11:18:19
Unfortunately I'm not interested too much in a printedset, but hope this project succeeds for the future of topre.
Post by: a_ak57 on Thu, 17 December 2015, 12:47:22
Post by: alienman82 on Thu, 17 December 2015, 12:48:06
Post by: Matt3o on Thu, 17 December 2015, 13:15:25
Matt3o, do you know if they are gonna be redoing the drop completely, or will it just resume with however many days were left originally?
dunno yet
Post by: HoffmanMyster on Fri, 18 December 2015, 08:02:48
If topre would re-release blanks, I would throw so much money at you.
Unfortunately I'm not interested too much in a printedset, but hope this project succeeds for the future of topre.
Topre should make the blank sets with full hhkb support. I would totally buy all the sets!
I still don't understand why they don't do this. It would be the least expensive option for them, and would please a ton of enthusiasts.
Post by: ghostjuggernaut on Fri, 18 December 2015, 08:06:10
I spoke to EK about it in spring, and they told me they want to order more but the MOQ was something like 50k sets per color. If that is true, I can see why nobody has taken on the order. There are a lot of topre fans, but I highly doubt there are that many.If topre would re-release blanks, I would throw so much money at you.
Unfortunately I'm not interested too much in a printedset, but hope this project succeeds for the future of topre.
Topre should make the blank sets with full hhkb support. I would totally buy all the sets!
I still don't understand why they don't do this. It would be the least expensive option for them, and would please a ton of enthusiasts.
This could also be misinformation, I'm not really sure.
Post by: HoffmanMyster on Fri, 18 December 2015, 08:08:40
I spoke to EK about it in spring, and they told me they want to order more but the MOQ was something like 50k sets per color. If that is true, I can see why nobody has taken on the order. There are a lot of topre fans, but I highly doubt there are that many.If topre would re-release blanks, I would throw so much money at you.
Unfortunately I'm not interested too much in a printedset, but hope this project succeeds for the future of topre.
Topre should make the blank sets with full hhkb support. I would totally buy all the sets!
I still don't understand why they don't do this. It would be the least expensive option for them, and would please a ton of enthusiasts.
This could also be misinformation, I'm not really sure.
Very true. I had no idea it was quite that many sets, but I knew this was an obstacle. I do still wish they interacted with us though, because maybe at a different price point we could make things work. :|
Post by: nmur on Fri, 18 December 2015, 08:08:50
I spoke to EK about it in spring, and they told me they want to order more but the MOQ was something like 50k sets per color. If that is true, I can see why nobody has taken on the order. There are a lot of topre fans, but I highly doubt there are that many.If topre would re-release blanks, I would throw so much money at you.
Unfortunately I'm not interested too much in a printedset, but hope this project succeeds for the future of topre.
Topre should make the blank sets with full hhkb support. I would totally buy all the sets!
I still don't understand why they don't do this. It would be the least expensive option for them, and would please a ton of enthusiasts.
This could also be misinformation, I'm not really sure.
50k is super high :eek:
I wonder why the MOQ for this buy is so low in comparison then, despite being entirely new and having multiple colours and new(?) legends?
Post by: ghostjuggernaut on Fri, 18 December 2015, 08:14:05
Yeah I agree. I'm not positive the info is accurate, but it was the only info I could find then.I spoke to EK about it in spring, and they told me they want to order more but the MOQ was something like 50k sets per color. If that is true, I can see why nobody has taken on the order. There are a lot of topre fans, but I highly doubt there are that many.If topre would re-release blanks, I would throw so much money at you.
Unfortunately I'm not interested too much in a printedset, but hope this project succeeds for the future of topre.
Topre should make the blank sets with full hhkb support. I would totally buy all the sets!
I still don't understand why they don't do this. It would be the least expensive option for them, and would please a ton of enthusiasts.
This could also be misinformation, I'm not really sure.
50k is super high :eek:
I wonder why the MOQ for this buy is so low in comparison then, despite being entirely new and having multiple colours and new(?) legends?
Matt3o would be the best person to answer these questions, since he is one of few people that have interacted with them.
Post by: Vittra on Fri, 18 December 2015, 10:51:54
Post by: rowdy on Fri, 18 December 2015, 19:23:37
Yeah I agree. I'm not positive the info is accurate, but it was the only info I could find then.I spoke to EK about it in spring, and they told me they want to order more but the MOQ was something like 50k sets per color. If that is true, I can see why nobody has taken on the order. There are a lot of topre fans, but I highly doubt there are that many.If topre would re-release blanks, I would throw so much money at you.
Unfortunately I'm not interested too much in a printedset, but hope this project succeeds for the future of topre.
Topre should make the blank sets with full hhkb support. I would totally buy all the sets!
I still don't understand why they don't do this. It would be the least expensive option for them, and would please a ton of enthusiasts.
This could also be misinformation, I'm not really sure.
50k is super high :eek:
I wonder why the MOQ for this buy is so low in comparison then, despite being entirely new and having multiple colours and new(?) legends?
Matt3o would be the best person to answer these questions, since he is one of few people that have interacted with them.
50K MOQ is ludicrous, unless you've a fairly large scale manufacturer.
Looking vaguely at Mass drop numbers, which probably represents several keyboard enthusiast communities, their numbers for keycap sets rarely top 200, even for rare (and usually expensive) or cheap sets.
Looking at the numbers of this set that have been ordered so far, adding HHKB and/or FC660C support would not have added a huge number to it.
This is unfortunate.
Post by: Jedi on Fri, 18 December 2015, 19:44:07
Interested to see where this is going to land.
Post by: Bucake on Sat, 19 December 2015, 09:59:36
Looking at the numbers of this set that have been ordered so far, adding HHKB and/or FC660C support would not have added a huge number to it.
This is unfortunate.
tough question. i think at least a bunch of dozens of people would've joined, if support for HHKB and FC660 was there.
definitely a few extra with proper TKL support : P
but it seems they'll be changing the design, so i'm really curious how much that will impact the numbers..
Post by: rowdy on Sat, 19 December 2015, 17:53:25
Looking at the numbers of this set that have been ordered so far, adding HHKB and/or FC660C support would not have added a huge number to it.
This is unfortunate.
tough question. i think at least a bunch of dozens of people would've joined, if support for HHKB and FC660 was there.
definitely a few extra with proper TKL support : P
but it seems they'll be changing the design, so i'm really curious how much that will impact the numbers..
Adding HHKB and/or FC660C support would add a few dozen more potential buyers.
Changing the design slightly (this was SUPPOSED to be a different design, but perhaps a little bit too different for the conservative Topre users out there) might get another couple of dozen.
This is still fairly underwhelming considering how many MX sets are sold, especially when the hype is high for them.
Maybe most Topre users are just too conservative?
Post by: Jedi on Tue, 22 December 2015, 17:18:51
1. What's the status on this?
2. Are we canceling on the committed and joined purchases or is this getting extended out again?
3. Are we rerunning this under a totally different gb?
Post by: Matt3o on Wed, 23 December 2015, 02:33:32
Post by: Glenmael on Wed, 23 December 2015, 03:08:59
Post by: derb2k2 on Fri, 01 January 2016, 07:40:10
Anyways, I personally liked teh Glacial set :) Just added my request and am hopeful this collaboration comes to fruition.
It's pretty awesome that they tapped Matt and I thank your continued work Matt. (also I need PBT spacebar :D)
Post by: whmeltonjr on Sun, 31 January 2016, 19:15:48
Post by: Glenmael on Tue, 02 February 2016, 01:58:05
Post by: steelcity on Fri, 18 March 2016, 12:00:59
Post by: romevi on Fri, 18 March 2016, 12:02:04
Post by: Jedi on Fri, 18 March 2016, 12:18:09
Post by: mind_funeral on Tue, 03 May 2016, 00:26:41
(http://i.imgur.com/mqdkHWO.png)
Post by: apolotary on Sat, 16 July 2016, 04:05:24
(http://i.imgur.com/yPkhe2K.jpg)
(http://i.imgur.com/b1N3hD4.png)
(http://i.imgur.com/Hh1tRDN.jpg)
I'd be all down for some stock Topre colors and sick dye-subs or side prints. Or a blank white/beige HiPro set with colored Ctrl/Esc caps
Post by: msodrew on Mon, 18 July 2016, 16:06:40
Post by: Erikdayo on Mon, 22 August 2016, 13:20:56
Post by: moh18one on Sat, 03 September 2016, 19:57:56
Post by: Bucake on Sat, 03 September 2016, 20:58:23
hopefully there will be one some day, but i wouldn't bet on it
Post by: moh18one on Tue, 18 October 2016, 11:12:01
Post by: bloorocket on Thu, 20 October 2016, 03:08:24
That purple set looks too amazing to not spend upon
2017 will be a great year I guess!
Post by: romevi on Thu, 01 December 2016, 17:31:01
Post by: suparnemo on Tue, 03 January 2017, 11:12:07
Please do one with the Leopold FC660C and the future Leopold FC980C. I think mny people will be happy to have custom keycaps for those keyboard :(
Would be nice if they were willing to toss in a second left shift for compatibility with these boards, and make 1.25 mods too. But I doubt it
Post by: Lipton on Mon, 09 January 2017, 21:25:27
Please do one with the Leopold FC660C and the future Leopold FC980C. I think mny people will be happy to have custom keycaps for those keyboard :(
I 2nd this! I want to get a pure Topre board this year :D and it's the Leopold, the RealForce is fugly, the HappyHacker is okish, but I need my arrow keys for coding fast.
Can't find any Topre keysets out there, well beside the bland all green, red and blue ones lol.
Post by: suparnemo on Sat, 03 June 2017, 14:19:43
Post by: iamtootallforthis on Sat, 03 June 2017, 14:21:11
Any chance this is still potentially happening?
It is dead in the water at the moment.
Post by: suparnemo on Sat, 03 June 2017, 14:32:14
Any chance this is still potentially happening?
It is dead in the water at the moment.
Darn. Maybe in the future!