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Offline geniekid

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Re: Designing the next Topre keycap set
« Reply #100 on: Fri, 14 August 2015, 10:20:00 »
I'm guessing you are limited to black for the dye-sub color?

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Re: Designing the next Topre keycap set
« Reply #101 on: Fri, 14 August 2015, 11:20:18 »
no - an olivetti-esque scheme was proposed on DT
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Re: Designing the next Topre keycap set
« Reply #102 on: Fri, 14 August 2015, 11:27:39 »
It is great to have an opportunity to purchase new Topre keycap sets. Unfortunately (for me), I do not like any of the sample colorways. My own preference is for colors that were used in previous Topre sets, such as English White, English Blue, and Black (or very dark Grey). In particular, I like Blue alphas and Black mods, preferably blanks. Thanks.

The thing about that is those colored caps are still available, so if that's your preference, you can piece something together. We should be focusing on something that isn't possible with the currently available options, something new.
You can still get black and white sets for the HHKB from EK, but no sets for RF boards are available from them. There is a seller on eBay who has some RF sets, but the only colors now in stock are white, green, and orange. I haven't seen blank sets for RF. You can buy an RF keyboard with black legends on dark gray, but these are not true blanks.

A style that I like that would be completely new to Topre is Olivetti -- white or cream alphas and light gray mods with blue legends.

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Re: Designing the next Topre keycap set
« Reply #104 on: Fri, 14 August 2015, 18:03:17 »
I just received a message from "widebasket", a vendor from S. Korea who has an eBay store. He has been the main source of Topre keycap sets outside of Japan. He said that Leopold and Topre are out of stock of their Topre keycap sets for Realforce 87/104 keyboards and they do not plan to make more. His blue and red sets are out of stock and will not be replenished. He still has some white, green, and orange sets, but when these are gone, apparently they will not be replenished.

My favorite is the black legends on blue, which look rather good with black mods and red accents, as seen below on my HHKB:

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I had hoped to put blue alphas on a RF 87UB, but it looks like there are no more blue sets available. Therefore, I hope that matt3o will consider putting the blue color on his list.
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Re: Designing the next Topre keycap set
« Reply #105 on: Fri, 14 August 2015, 19:47:30 »
I just received a message from "widebasket", a vendor from S. Korea who has an eBay store. He has been the main source of Topre keycap sets outside of Japan. He said that Leopold and Topre are out of stock of their Topre keycap sets for Realforce 87/104 keyboards and they do not plan to make more. His blue and red sets are out of stock and will not be replenished. He still has some white, green, and orange sets, but when these are gone, apparently they will not be replenished.

My favorite is the black legends on blue, which look rather good with black mods and red accents, as seen below on my HHKB:

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I had hoped to put blue alphas on a RF 87UB, but it looks like there are no more blue sets available. Therefore, I hope that matt3o will consider putting the blue color on his list.
Ah, crap. I knew I shouldn't have hesitated when the blue was still in stock.

Oh, well. At least now I have matt3o's to look forward to!

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Re: Designing the next Topre keycap set
« Reply #106 on: Fri, 14 August 2015, 20:16:01 »
I just received a message from "widebasket", a vendor from S. Korea who has an eBay store. He has been the main source of Topre keycap sets outside of Japan. He said that Leopold and Topre are out of stock of their Topre keycap sets for Realforce 87/104 keyboards and they do not plan to make more. His blue and red sets are out of stock and will not be replenished. He still has some white, green, and orange sets, but when these are gone, apparently they will not be replenished.

My favorite is the black legends on blue, which look rather good with black mods and red accents, as seen below on my HHKB:

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I had hoped to put blue alphas on a RF 87UB, but it looks like there are no more blue sets available. Therefore, I hope that matt3o will consider putting the blue color on his list.

 I bought one of the black on orange sets from him. They are manufactured by Leopold, no? Does Leopold also manufacture the stock keycaps for the RF boards? Will Leopold be manufacturing these?

Matt3o, any chance we could get these caps to be a little thicker than the stock RF caps? I've got black on grey and black on blue IMSTO caps on my NovaTouch and wish I could get something as thick on my RF boards.

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Re: Designing the next Topre keycap set
« Reply #107 on: Fri, 14 August 2015, 21:01:03 »
Thicker PBT is not necessarily better. Topre caps are designed for Topre switches; it is the unification of structure that yields excellent function.

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Re: Designing the next Topre keycap set
« Reply #108 on: Sat, 15 August 2015, 00:37:18 »
the caps will be most likely the same, it's an official Topre product after all.

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Re: Designing the next Topre keycap set
« Reply #109 on: Sat, 15 August 2015, 01:00:08 »
I do not work with pink, liliac, pale yellow, tea green or any pastel color :p


Pastel pink is terrible. We mean real pink. Like watermelon pink, rose pink, even hot pink. These are great colors.
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Re: Designing the next Topre keycap set
« Reply #110 on: Sat, 15 August 2015, 11:37:03 »
I do not work with pink, liliac, pale yellow, tea green or any pastel color :p


Pastel pink is terrible. We mean real pink. Like watermelon pink, rose pink, even hot pink. These are great colors.

I'm okay with that :)

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Re: Designing the next Topre keycap set
« Reply #111 on: Sat, 15 August 2015, 20:59:22 »
Any chance of pink or green/dark green keycap designs? Probably with grey alphanumerics and colored modifiers?


Either way, this is incredible news! Just hope it doesn't go through MD though.....especially after their TA debacle.

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Re: Designing the next Topre keycap set
« Reply #112 on: Sat, 15 August 2015, 23:49:02 »
Hi Pro?

Personally i like the dark grey sets with the blue/purple/or orange modifiers. Dark colors and RF just seem to go together imo.
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Re: Designing the next Topre keycap set
« Reply #113 on: Sat, 15 August 2015, 23:50:13 »
Looks amazing!

I'm happy with my current set but it's really nice to see Topre move into aftermarket sets.

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Re: Designing the next Topre keycap set
« Reply #114 on: Sat, 15 August 2015, 23:55:03 »
Hi Pro?

Personally i like the dark grey sets with the blue/purple/or orange modifiers. Dark colors and RF just seem to go together imo.

Yes i hope that is possible i would love a set of hi pro as well, seeing as the only way to get them currently is to buy the uber expensive real force anniversary edition

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Re: Designing the next Topre keycap set
« Reply #115 on: Sun, 16 August 2015, 01:12:56 »
Hi Pro?

Personally i like the dark grey sets with the blue/purple/or orange modifiers. Dark colors and RF just seem to go together imo.

Yes i hope that is possible i would love a set of hi pro as well, seeing as the only way to get them currently is to buy the uber expensive real force anniversary edition

I doubt they'd do hipro since they would only fit on the hipro models.

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Re: Designing the next Topre keycap set
« Reply #116 on: Sun, 16 August 2015, 01:20:20 »
honestly, I don't know. I believe the work I did with the spacebar helped.

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Re: Designing the next Topre keycap set
« Reply #117 on: Sun, 16 August 2015, 01:23:21 »
My vote would be side for something with side legends. It's just a look that doesn't really exist in Topre-land (aside from soft numpad on 87U). And I think green on charcoal looks nice  :)


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Re: Designing the next Topre keycap set
« Reply #118 on: Sun, 16 August 2015, 01:34:09 »
My
My vote would be side for something with side legends. It's just a look that doesn't really exist in Topre-land (aside from soft numpad on 87U). And I think green on charcoal looks nice  :)


 


It does look nice. I believe since the keys use dye-sublimated legends, the legend has to be darker than the key. Dark dye on light key works well; light dye on darker key (sadly) does not. So, I think they can't do green on dark.
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Re: Designing the next Topre keycap set
« Reply #119 on: Sun, 16 August 2015, 02:08:28 »
My
My vote would be side for something with side legends. It's just a look that doesn't really exist in Topre-land (aside from soft numpad on 87U). And I think green on charcoal looks nice  :)


 


It does look nice. I believe since the keys use dye-sublimated legends, the legend has to be darker than the key. Dark dye on light key works well; light dye on darker key (sadly) does not. So, I think they can't do green on dark.

I guess theoretically they could start with a lighter colour cap, and then dye-sub the darker colour everywhere except the legend? Probably too difficult/not possible though. Just a thought.

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Re: Designing the next Topre keycap set
« Reply #120 on: Sun, 16 August 2015, 02:18:13 »
My vote would be side for something with side legends. It's just a look that doesn't really exist in Topre-land (aside from soft numpad on 87U). And I think green on charcoal looks nice  :)
That *is* nice. Even though lighter legends isn't something that can happen, I think that those two colours together as a set would be great.

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Re: Designing the next Topre keycap set
« Reply #121 on: Sun, 16 August 2015, 04:02:46 »
really love the simple design with center print yellow/black. Looks really sick!
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« Reply #122 on: Sun, 16 August 2015, 04:21:40 »
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Re: Designing the next Topre keycap set
« Reply #123 on: Sun, 16 August 2015, 09:14:31 »
This is great news
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« Reply #124 on: Sun, 16 August 2015, 09:29:39 »
1976.. Nuff said

As much as stand-out custom colourways like this would be really cool - I doubt Topre would want to officially manufacture them :(

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« Reply #125 on: Sun, 16 August 2015, 10:11:45 »
I don't have a Topre board (yet) but i'm really happy to see this happening for you guys.
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Re: Designing the next Topre keycap set
« Reply #126 on: Sun, 16 August 2015, 11:02:44 »
I don't have a Topre board (yet) but i'm really happy to see this happening for you guys.
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« Reply #127 on: Sun, 16 August 2015, 11:05:36 »
I don't have a Topre board (yet) but i'm really happy to see this happening for you guys.
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I don't understand
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« Reply #128 on: Sun, 16 August 2015, 11:37:23 »
Not really a fan of the yellow but absolutely love the others. This is awesome and super unexpected.
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« Reply #129 on: Sun, 16 August 2015, 11:51:56 »
Purple with text mods for sure.

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« Reply #130 on: Sun, 16 August 2015, 12:08:46 »
OMG.. I love all the color.
I have be waiting for the Topre keyset for a long time

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Re: Designing the next Topre keycap set
« Reply #131 on: Sun, 16 August 2015, 12:18:59 »
just to clarify: hi-pro is not an option (I asked)

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« Reply #132 on: Sun, 16 August 2015, 13:01:18 »
what about HiPro HHKB?


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Re: Designing the next Topre keycap set
« Reply #133 on: Sun, 16 August 2015, 14:32:08 »
I don't have a Topre board (yet) but i'm really happy to see this happening for you guys.
>lives in Japan
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I don't understand
I will take donations to buy some off yahoo auctions at good prices =)

And actually it's because instead of buying a Japanese topre board, I bought a Japanese twin turbo charged 4wd beast =)
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Re: Designing the next Topre keycap set
« Reply #134 on: Sun, 16 August 2015, 15:57:56 »
OH that Blue & White plus the Purple & Dark Grey....I would get both.

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Re: Designing the next Topre keycap set
« Reply #135 on: Sun, 16 August 2015, 20:50:12 »
Purple w/ text mods and I'd order my first RF immediately (though probably getting one in 2 weeks anyhow :D). If only stepped caps keys were possible too - would have my perfect board right there :)
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Re: Designing the next Topre keycap set
« Reply #136 on: Sun, 16 August 2015, 23:14:05 »
Thicker PBT is not necessarily better. Topre caps are designed for Topre switches; it is the unification of structure that yields excellent function.

If there is anything I've learned about keyboards over the past year or so, it's that you don't know until you try it. I'm speculating that I would prefer thicker caps on an RF board, and as it stands I probably won't be able to test that out, but I'd certainly love to.

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« Reply #137 on: Sun, 16 August 2015, 23:37:23 »
Thicker PBT is not necessarily better. Topre caps are designed for Topre switches; it is the unification of structure that yields excellent function.

If there is anything I've learned about keyboards over the past year or so, it's that you don't know until you try it. I'm speculating that I would prefer thicker caps on an RF board, and as it stands I probably won't be able to test that out, but I'd certainly love to.

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« Reply #138 on: Sun, 16 August 2015, 23:59:54 »
I'm not sure how nice the darker sets will look on the white RF87U. Something white + pink/purple would look amazing  :eek: But awesome news Matt3o! Looking forward to see what else you have in store. Just please dont forget about all those white keyboards out there!  :))

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« Reply #139 on: Mon, 17 August 2015, 08:52:23 »
Purple purple all the way! Btw, Congrats Matt3o :thumb:

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« Reply #140 on: Mon, 17 August 2015, 16:20:34 »
You know I don't like pink keycaps sets but I have a strange feeling that this set would perfectly match Realforce keyboards:
https://imgur.com/gallery/K48jk/
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« Reply #141 on: Mon, 17 August 2015, 16:39:47 »
You know I don't like pink keycaps sets but I have a strange feeling that this set would perfectly match Realforce keyboards:
https://imgur.com/gallery/K48jk/
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« Reply #143 on: Mon, 17 August 2015, 17:01:01 »
Exciting news!

Obviously colour is a very personal choice, so maybe it makes sense to sell the modifiers and alphas in a few different separate colour packs so the user can mix-and-match how they wish. My own preference is for something a bit "less is more" - i.e. a colour-scheme that doesn't look too Fisher-Price or unprofessional in an office context, maybe with modifiers darker than alphanumeric keys, and all fn keys the same colour as the modifiers (don't know why, but I dislike the alternating coloured function keys).

I hasten to add - since the only TKL RF board that is easily available in the UK right now has black-on-dark-grey keycaps and a fugly ABS spacebar... honestly I would be happy with absolutely any alternative keycap set for my RF board that is (a) available for UK layout and (b) not black-on-dark-grey.
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« Reply #145 on: Mon, 17 August 2015, 18:37:48 »
It would be good to include at least one design based on a tried and true classic, yet with some modification to avoid duplicating the key caps already available on Topre-switch keyboards.

An example is the Classic Beige set from BSP. Legends could be Olivetti blue or dark green on creamy white alphas and beige modifiers. Legends would be in Helvetica font.

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« Reply #146 on: Tue, 18 August 2015, 04:54:53 »
You know I don't like pink keycaps sets but I have a strange feeling that this set would perfectly match Realforce keyboards:
https://imgur.com/gallery/K48jk/

Yeah, if you remove the RCS colored caps(or limit them to just Esc) and make the whole nav cluster purple then it would present really nice and toned down.
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« Reply #147 on: Tue, 18 August 2015, 09:51:13 »
Awesome. Can we do a very basic colorway, though?  Something not so esoteric.  Granite was excellent at this and I think that's a large reason as to why it sold so well.  We've only got one shot, anyway.

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« Reply #148 on: Tue, 18 August 2015, 09:59:51 »
I'd just like to add, as ibk11 said, just a splash of color is most desirable (by most people anyway, I think).  The biggest problem I see is that the RF just has kinda f'd up / outdated legends and that horrid spacebar.

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« Reply #149 on: Tue, 18 August 2015, 11:56:11 »
Yes I'd be up for something nice and simple, ideally with an option for blank or at least windows-less bottom row (as would probably be all Mac users).
I'm using mainly Windows nowadays but my bottom row is remapped to this (from left to right) - mostly because I spent last 10 years using OS X as a primary OS:
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