Can I base the decision on buying a board solely on the fact it has a cute bear logo
I feel like the single key on the right looks a little out of place. Have you considered doing a mirror of the left key cluster?I like this idea, but also something like a rotary encoder would look great there as another option.
Can I base the decision on buying a board solely on the fact it has a cute bear logo
ISO support? :)
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Type C and QMK i assume?need solderble PCBAdd in.
Does anyone interested in Full brass edition?:[That would be cool if it was PVD coated
You can't really have ISO support in an alice type layout.
Is it possible to buy without the front engraving?
1.solder PCBremove the bear +1
2.Could you please move the little bear pattern to right side or down-left or remove it at all?
1.solder PCBThe bear makes the keyboard cute but I agree with the placement changes
2.Could you please move the little bear pattern to right side or down-left or remove it at all?
What's your timeline?Plan on prototype GB may start mid of june
should move the bear logo to above the right arrow key
The suggestion of bear on the far left side might look okay. Also, an OLED screen above the right arrow would make this next level!should move the bear logo to above the right arrow keyShow Image(https://i.imgur.com/1t1KCuK.png)Show Image(https://i.imgur.com/9uGdj2t.jpg)
looks a bit weird ,our theme was the bear raise up head and thinking ,it seem like look forward something :D
You can't really have ISO support in an alice type layout.
Why not? Edit: I'll answer myself - because the Enter and Backslash keys don't align verically.
Will it be public? I'm down for buying a prototype.What's your timeline?Plan on prototype GB may start mid of june
The suggestion of bear on the far left side might look okay. Also, an OLED screen above the right arrow would make this next level!should move the bear logo to above the right arrow keyShow Image(https://i.imgur.com/1t1KCuK.png)Show Image(https://i.imgur.com/9uGdj2t.jpg)
looks a bit weird ,our theme was the bear raise up head and thinking ,it seem like look forward something :D
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+1The suggestion of bear on the far left side might look okay. Also, an OLED screen above the right arrow would make this next level!should move the bear logo to above the right arrow keyShow Image(https://i.imgur.com/1t1KCuK.png)Show Image(https://i.imgur.com/9uGdj2t.jpg)
looks a bit weird ,our theme was the bear raise up head and thinking ,it seem like look forward something :D
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I definitely prefer the top render
I like the top render tooThe suggestion of bear on the far left side might look okay. Also, an OLED screen above the right arrow would make this next level!should move the bear logo to above the right arrow keyShow Image(https://i.imgur.com/1t1KCuK.png)Show Image(https://i.imgur.com/9uGdj2t.jpg)
looks a bit weird ,our theme was the bear raise up head and thinking ,it seem like look forward something :D
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I definitely prefer the top render
The Virgo has a different layout - the right edges of the Enter and Backslash keys in the ANSI layout are aligned. Here they're staggered, so they cannot be replaced by an ISO Enter.You can't really have ISO support in an alice type layout.
Why not? Edit: I'll answer myself - because the Enter and Backslash keys don't align verically.
OK, but if you look at the Virgo by Flex and you get rid of the TKL part, you can get ISO on an alice type layout - although I do prefer the look of ansi on those boards
me tooI like the top render tooThe suggestion of bear on the far left side might look okay. Also, an OLED screen above the right arrow would make this next level!should move the bear logo to above the right arrow keyShow Image(https://i.imgur.com/1t1KCuK.png)Show Image(https://i.imgur.com/9uGdj2t.jpg)
looks a bit weird ,our theme was the bear raise up head and thinking ,it seem like look forward something :D
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I definitely prefer the top render
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The Virgo has a different layout - the right edges of the Enter and Backslash keys in the ANSI layout are aligned. Here they're staggered, so they cannot be replaced by an ISO Enter.You can't really have ISO support in an alice type layout.
Why not? Edit: I'll answer myself - because the Enter and Backslash keys don't align verically.
OK, but if you look at the Virgo by Flex and you get rid of the TKL part, you can get ISO on an alice type layout - although I do prefer the look of ansi on those boards
me tooI like the top render tooThe suggestion of bear on the far left side might look okay. Also, an OLED screen above the right arrow would make this next level!should move the bear logo to above the right arrow keyShow Image(https://i.imgur.com/1t1KCuK.png)Show Image(https://i.imgur.com/9uGdj2t.jpg)
looks a bit weird ,our theme was the bear raise up head and thinking ,it seem like look forward something :D
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I definitely prefer the top render
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Maybe the reason some people don't like the bear at the bottom of the board is because it is too close to the edge and keys without leaving any natural space around it. Maybe making the logo a bit smaller would help with that. Does that make sense ?
I think the location is good but maybe it feels a bit too cluttered?
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Is it possible to make the whole bear paw the weight? Not really a fan of the weight only being the inner part of the paw, just looks off to me. I think the entire paw being the weight will make it pop more and automatically connect it to a bear paw rather than having to look twice to see what it is. Maybe its just me lolThis would definitely look better but it would increase the price by a lot since the whole paw will be a big piece of brass
Alice is a ****ing trash keyboard with the all time worst set of compromises to ergonomics.Maybe don't buy it then?
While the Alice splits, it fails to address the row stagger problem (either by getting rid of it like Ergodoxes or reversing it on the left hand like the Topre ergo board) and fails to introduce any significant columnular stagger.
I can forgive boards like the standard Microsoft ergo boards for this because they keep everything in place such that it could be used by someone expecting their computer to be used by several people without causing any interruption to anyone's muscle memory. But the Alice changes enough of the thumb use to spoil any general public usability gains. What's left is a half measure of a committment that goes far enough to make turning back difficult but not far enough to do any real good.
Maybe the reason some people don't like the bear at the bottom of the board is because it is too close to the edge and keys without leaving any natural space around it. Maybe making the logo a bit smaller would help with that. Does that make sense ?
I think the location is good but maybe it feels a bit too cluttered?
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Hmmm... I can see that - could it be scaled down a little bit? That might help :D
Correct ,the price will upgrade and cnc workIs it possible to make the whole bear paw the weight? Not really a fan of the weight only being the inner part of the paw, just looks off to me. I think the entire paw being the weight will make it pop more and automatically connect it to a bear paw rather than having to look twice to see what it is. Maybe its just me lolThis would definitely look better but it would increase the price by a lot since the whole paw will be a big piece of brass
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yes i know it would increase the price but i think its something most would not mind paying. maybe take away the engraving of "Bear 60" since i know that is an extra cost to make the full bear claw a weight. I just love heavy keebs like everyone else and that weight seems so small and would barely add weight to a PC keeb which is already light. Maybe add it on the IC if anything.Is it possible to make the whole bear paw the weight? Not really a fan of the weight only being the inner part of the paw, just looks off to me. I think the entire paw being the weight will make it pop more and automatically connect it to a bear paw rather than having to look twice to see what it is. Maybe its just me lolThis would definitely look better but it would increase the price by a lot since the whole paw will be a big piece of brass
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Correct ,the price will upgrade and cnc work
anyone thinks having indicator lights like alice would be useful?
is there underglow for the pc version?Yes,it will have rge led on the back of pcb
Okay,i will close the ic form on Monday then sort the suggestion and update it one by one ,great, cant wait
I will post the news let you know what we can do and not ,finally we move to do some prototype :thumb:
The short link in the op is broken.Fixed.
As for the logo, is it possible to re-design a "horizontal" logo to get better spacing? For example a bear on its belly, you can also make it look up to match your theme :thumb:
Interest checks result
most of peope request below :
PCB: QMK/Via /Solder pcb/split backspace/typec/middle port/
case change : no bear logo options /full claws weight like elephant / fix the engraved letters ,e instead of bear .
color request :rose gold /silver/grey/e white
others : PC case and pc plate /show the gasket details .
about weight .it will like elephant, full kit include brass weight no need upgrade but price will add since we do full brass claws
If there was no much objection then we go move -
next step change the design and show it ,after that move to do some prototypes !!
Thanks all advise
Soon ;D
Interest checks resultNeed your discord link sir.
most of peope request below :
PCB: QMK/Via /Solder pcb/split backspace/typec/middle port/
case change : no bear logo options /full claws weight like elephant / fix the engraved letters ,e instead of bear .
color request :rose gold /silver/grey/e white
others : PC case and pc plate /show the gasket details .
about weight .it will like elephant, full kit include brass weight no need upgrade but price will add since we do full brass claws
If there was no much objection then we go move -
next step change the design and show it ,after that move to do some prototypes !!
Thanks all advise
Soon ;D
You could also join my discord get the fast news :thumb:
Interest checks resultNeed your discord link sir.
most of peope request below :
PCB: QMK/Via /Solder pcb/split backspace/typec/middle port/
case change : no bear logo options /full claws weight like elephant / fix the engraved letters ,e instead of bear .
color request :rose gold /silver/grey/e white
others : PC case and pc plate /show the gasket details .
about weight .it will like elephant, full kit include brass weight no need upgrade but price will add since we do full brass claws
If there was no much objection then we go move -
next step change the design and show it ,after that move to do some prototypes !!
Thanks all advise
Soon ;D
You could also join my discord get the fast news :thumb:
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I'm extremely interested in this board, but I must ask, will the hotswap support 5 pin switches or only 3 pin?5 pin switches
This wont be the first, nor the last alice board i'll invest in :P
I liked the Maja for a long time, but I think I prefer this layout. It seems like it better-maintains the symmetry of the original Alice layout while adding arrows. Certainly, to each their own, I just really like what you've done with this one, OP.That said it still irks me that the case is not actually symmetric. I understand that the addition of arrows without removing some mod keys makes that impossible, but the slightly longer right side bugs me for some reason. Haha
I liked the Maja for a long time, but I think I prefer this layout. It seems like it better-maintains the symmetry of the original Alice layout while adding arrows. Certainly, to each their own, I just really like what you've done with this one, OP.
The Light Blue One Is So Beautiful!! :-*Didn't get too far into color in the IC but really hoping light blue shows up in the final. Would look great with the brass weight
No more bear?! Stupid as it is, I might drop out because of that :(We have two options,you can choose it have bear or not :D
No more bear?! Stupid as it is, I might drop out because of that :(We have two options,you can choose it have bear or not :D
Does "others : PC case and pc plate /show the gasket details" mean that PC will also be offered?Sure
What kind of a monster wouldn't want the bear logo?Anyone over the age of 20. ;)
What kind of a monster wouldn't want the bear logo?Anyone over the age of 20. ;)
I vote for mats #2 and #3.
Will buy both if they are made available.
What kind of a monster wouldn't want the bear logo?Anyone over the age of 20. ;)
What kind of a monster wouldn't want the bear logo?Anyone over the age of 20. ;)
I vote for mats #2 and #3.
Will buy both if they are made available.
are we still able to get a right side bear logo?i have already do a render for it ,looks like not good so we cancel this .
All it needs is for the bottom rows on each side to be straight like the Lisa layout and it would be perfect!Layout was settle down,already send factory do the prototypes . :thumb:
Interest checks resultSo transitioning from hotswap to solder?
most of peope request below :
PCB: QMK/Via /Solder pcb/split backspace/typec/middle port/
case change : no bear logo options /full claws weight like elephant / fix the engraved letters ,e instead of bear .
color request :rose gold /silver/grey/e white
others : PC case and pc plate /show the gasket details .
As long as the PCB is QMK/Via and I have an option to have the bear, I am happy.This. I have to have the bear. The e-white render with the enameled bear looks fantastic. I'd even be willing to fill it myself after anodization.
Is this going to GB?Ready to GB
I think that the bear logo made your board looks so cute.
I was really discrete and refined IMO. Nice that this is still an option
When GB comesWait the prototype finished
CuteShow Image(https://i.imgur.com/HQVF84S.jpg)
Bear !
best alice + arrow cluster design so far imoI am get used to arrow
aesthetic is still elegant without cluttering the layout and making it chunky and gross
Also will hotswap option still is or not?Available
100% interested in this after finding out about it on Apiary's twitch. When/where is the GB????July ,Gb on Geekhack
Also, would be super interested in the purple desk pad
Is split backspace supported with the hot-swap PCB?You may need solder pcb
New to ergo - how many stabs would I need for this?Four or Five
The light blue looks really good - super interested.
Wait, so will this be an unlimited GB or only a few spots available?
Some pictures take by phone :Show Image(https://i.imgur.com/eo9z60l.jpg)Show Image(https://i.imgur.com/gY6kc6G.jpg)Show Image(https://i.imgur.com/Cs0WM71.jpg)
Wait the e clear brass and baby blue,grey (Group buy SOOON
Full brass edition and PC plateShow Image(https://i.imgur.com/ITMHUik.png)Show Image(https://i.imgur.com/kpfjlTI.jpg)
Created an account because of this. It looks really good, op! Hope I can join the gb :)Everyone can join . :thumb:
GB time :
ETA :12-15th July.(undecided)
Any chance for the light blue to be a colour option?It already in.
So no black case option?Have Anodizing black
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Wait so after few days GB opens ? Wow I love brass edition, I love pc edition, I love alu edition XD Please sell me this board I really want this layout! :)GB will open next week probably
1. Sorry to ask this, but what material plates are decided to be made? Will there be alu?
2. Where GB will open, on GeekHack?
3. Does pcb has any kind of underglow, individual leds?
4. Can winner of full brass be a bit weird and get alu plate ? (for example, I love flex and brass body is nice)
Wait so after few days GB opens ? Wow I love brass edition, I love pc edition, I love alu edition XD Please sell me this board I really want this layout! :)GB will open next week probably
1. Sorry to ask this, but what material plates are decided to be made? Will there be alu?
2. Where GB will open, on GeekHack?
3. Does pcb has any kind of underglow, individual leds?
4. Can winner of full brass be a bit weird and get alu plate ? (for example, I love flex and brass body is nice)
1.Alu,PC, Brass
2.Geekhack will have google form and discord service have too
3.RGB underglow but it seem make sense for pc case ,for alu case you cant see the rgb light
4.Full brass winner also can choose extra plate ,but default was brass cant be exchange .
I'm not sure if I missed it somewhere, but would you consider running a wrist-rest for it Jacky? I am impartial if it's poly-carbonate, wood, or aluminium.We will have wood ,but the option will be provide after Gb since too many things cant be handle right now ;D ;D
Hi Jacky. Do you have any rough estimates on shipping rates on the standard version to the various regions? I.e. EU, CONUS, etc. Will you be shipping from UK?
Oh, the location thing on his profile threw me off a bit there. If it's Asia shipping might not be too bad in any case. Thanks.Hi Jacky. Do you have any rough estimates on shipping rates on the standard version to the various regions? I.e. EU, CONUS, etc. Will you be shipping from UK?
jacky is based in Asia, so he's not shipping from the UK.
Will there be a gray color option or no?Not available
DHL from HKOh, the location thing on his profile threw me off a bit there. If it's Asia shipping might not be too bad in any case. Thanks.Hi Jacky. Do you have any rough estimates on shipping rates on the standard version to the various regions? I.e. EU, CONUS, etc. Will you be shipping from UK?
jacky is based in Asia, so he's not shipping from the UK.
Case colors:
New coating: baby blue, pink, e-white
Anodizing: black, silver
Plate materials: PC, brass, Aluminum.
Plate colors: TBD
Didn't know there was a seam on this board.
Hm, i dont really like the new baby blue coating. it looks like a plastic case imo. The baby blue anodized in the first renders was an absolute beauty, that would be absolutely perfect. probably going with silver now or PC.I thinks this blue better than renders one
Hm, i dont really like the new baby blue coating. it looks like a plastic case imo. The baby blue anodized in the first renders was an absolute beauty, that would be absolutely perfect. probably going with silver now or PC.I thinks this blue better than renders oneShow Image(https://i.imgur.com/9E0wtca.jpg)
Can the blue and pink come with the bear engraved on the top?It have .
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Does the new finish show fingerprints ?No!
Updatd :7/10 2020. (Some thing need be more clear to each one )Show Image(https://i.imgur.com/vwehzzH.jpg)Show Image(https://i.imgur.com/bv5TmNa.jpg)Show Image(https://i.imgur.com/8ZxT9r9.jpg)
For baby blue / pink color, we will try a brand new way of coating: skin-like coating (a.k.a. "new coating" that I mentioned in previous communication), which is different than regular coating (powder or cerakote). The finish of this "new coating" will be matte instead of glossy, and it will be really smooth (like skin) when you touch it. In addition, via this "new coating", we can achieve better consisitency for the color of top and bottom cases (if you choose the same color for top and bottom).
Disclaimer: The baby blue / pink color in the render is based on anodized aluminum, while the way we did in prototype and we will do in production for these two colors will NOT be traditional anodizing. Therefore, you will not expect to have the exact same baby blue / pink color as the render. If you are not sure about this "new coating" (only for baby blue / pink), you can always choose anodized silver, anodized black, e-white, and polycarbonate, which are awesome choices as well.
Thanks everyone ,later days my friend will send more photos to me ill post on the discord .
Hm, i dont really like the new baby blue coating. it looks like a plastic case imo. The baby blue anodized in the first renders was an absolute beauty, that would be absolutely perfect. probably going with silver now or PC.I thinks this blue better than renders oneShow Image(https://i.imgur.com/9E0wtca.jpg)
Can we get a burgandy/red anodisation option?Sry ,We have no those options
GB time : 7/15 2020 EDT 10:00 AM
Yes.GB time : 7/15 2020 EDT 10:00 AM
Where will the GB available from? A google form on geekhack?
About quantity : https://bit.ly/2Ztqosh (https://bit.ly/2Ztqosh) fill the form i will see the result after 24hours ,a bit tired of talk about quantity ,let us do it fair .
i have been not sleep well almost a week,so please vote it then i can make choice easy ,this time you up !
About quantity : https://bit.ly/2Ztqosh (https://bit.ly/2Ztqosh) fill the form i will see the result after 24hours ,a bit tired of talk about quantity ,let us do it fair .
i have been not sleep well almost a week,so please vote it then i can make choice easy ,this time you up !
What if you made it unlimited for let's say...the first one or two hours?
Not going to lie, missing this will make me feel worse than missing a keycult board.
What if you made it unlimited for let's say...the first one or two hours?
Not going to lie, missing this will make me feel worse than missing a keycult board.
Update: 7/14 2020
prototypes photo
More photo here :https://imgur.com/gallery/trR1PXv (https://imgur.com/gallery/trR1PXv)Show Image(https://i.imgur.com/W1sVP1T.jpg)Show Image(https://i.imgur.com/1hH7B0H.jpg)Show Image(https://i.imgur.com/FwcRTBK.jpg)Show Image(https://i.imgur.com/AngqVAb.jpg)
Typing video
https://www.bilibili.com/video/BV16z4y1D7bm/ (https://www.bilibili.com/video/BV16z4y1D7bm/)
Why there was short shift ,since pcb was new do this layout so it have issue ,it already fixed and we will do prototype again to test it perfectly
No worry about that due to make a new one pcb need wait long time so we will do it later
GB date:7/15 2020 EDT 10:00AM
GB quantity:unlimited
GB time :3days ,also i will check form in time if too much orders in, i will close it immediately.
Need say something here about unlimited
1.if I can’t handle the quantity I won’t open Gb 2.coating work with senter by fox lab 3.on s7 it only 100 so I do it almost time 3.for bear if it have much orders then also factory have more employe and I will work with a team finish this GB
Last warning :if you worried about this ,dont buy will be okay ,although run 10 pcs it still have risk
GB ETA :4-5 month QC 1month ,before 2021
Thanks all understanding,and on s7 groupbuy i am just hobby but in this buy i am almost whole time job .Due to virus my job get effect so i am doing keyboards right now
Tbh ,i want earn what i am lost and what i am deserved,thanks to people trust me but also not complain that someone worried ,is fair.
Sorry for my bad language。