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Title: Do you keep still music cd's?
Post by: yester64 on Mon, 27 May 2013, 20:24:35
I wonder sometimes. We are living in a modern age where old devices become so irrelevant over time.
Before i collected vinyl, but now there are gone, at least mainstream.
Then came the CD and now most of the music is streamed or on some devices. Besides there is not often something special in the cd like a big booklet or some crazy cover like you got sometimes on vinyl with ripple printing or pink vinyl.
So i conclude that a cd is actually not really worth keeping. Well, perhaps it is.
To be honest i can not even hear anymore any difference between a cd and a mp3 file. My hearing is not that good anymore.
So in the end i wonder if somebody else made the switch to storage only media like harddrive or even just cloud.
Title: Re: Do you keep still music cd's?
Post by: Jocelyn on Mon, 27 May 2013, 20:30:20
Vinyl yes, CDs no :)
Title: Re: Do you keep still music cd's?
Post by: tp4tissue on Mon, 27 May 2013, 20:33:07
As yourself

Do you listen to Music

or

Do you listen to Sound Equipment



CDs are only relevant if you're the latter :D
Title: Re: Do you keep still music cd's?
Post by: yester64 on Mon, 27 May 2013, 20:35:38
Gee, i don't even have a stereo. Only car stereo and computer... thats it.. lol
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Post by: TheQsanity on Mon, 27 May 2013, 20:40:39
Never got into vinyl. I have a couple cds in the car.
There should be a car that can read hard drives and play them.
Title: Re: Do you keep still music cd's?
Post by: tp4tissue on Mon, 27 May 2013, 20:43:15
I think for music, beyond the $600 mark, you're really wasting money..

this budget should includes DAC, amp, speaker, woofer



Lets say you can achieve perfect playback...


WHO guarantees perfect recording... <---- this is the biggest bottleneck to investing in hifi.. in which NO AMOUNT of money can fix.
Title: Re: Do you keep still music cd's?
Post by: tp4tissue on Mon, 27 May 2013, 20:44:49
Never got into vinyl. I have a couple cds in the car.
There should be a car that can read hard drives and play them.


people buy vinyl for the coloration and limited frequency response.  It basically greatly simplifies the stream, making it easier on the brain to decode and process.   

Objectively, this makes the music worse and less accurately reproduced.


Subjectively though, it frees up your mind to enjoy the "ambiance" and "emotions" that the music instigates.



Same thing with the vacuum tubes
Title: Re: Do you keep still music cd's?
Post by: codyeatworld on Mon, 27 May 2013, 20:49:06
I wish I collected mine. I didn't know how important music was gonna be to me.

Been thinking about starting up a vinyl collection and grabbing an 12" player.

Title: Re: Do you keep still music cd's?
Post by: funkymeeba on Mon, 27 May 2013, 20:49:41
I've got plenty of CDs! I love having them. :)
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Post by: TheQsanity on Mon, 27 May 2013, 20:50:23
Interesting... maybe someday ill try some for myself.
Title: Re: Do you keep still music cd's?
Post by: Leslieann on Mon, 27 May 2013, 21:03:27
No stereo, TV, or DVD player...
My car radio only has Aux, USB, and Sdcard support.

If I need to read a disk, I either have to hook up a USB model, or use the one laptop I have that still actually has one. All my media, and associated equipment is stored away in the basement.
Title: Re: Do you keep still music cd's?
Post by: noisyturtle on Mon, 27 May 2013, 21:16:41
Still have all my CD's somewhere, not like they take up much space unless you keep them in jewel cases. I should probably toss my cassette tapes though  :p
Title: Re: Do you keep still music cd's?
Post by: rowdy on Mon, 27 May 2013, 21:22:53
I still have my old CDs, but they are all ripped onto my server.

All new music comes from online.

At the moment I just haven't bothered researching how to get online the music I have on CDs without having to pay for it again, so I keep the CDs to rip again in case the storage dies.  Stuff purchased online I can just download again.

And my ex-wife managed to dispose of all my vinyl many years ago.
Title: Re: Do you keep still music cd's?
Post by: jwaz on Mon, 27 May 2013, 21:33:57
I actually just picked up my first, non gift, audio CD ever(or at least in the last 10 or so years).

It was a tour only live CD and a release of only 500 so I snapped it up at the show.
I had to use my PlayStation to play the damn thing :P
Title: Re: Do you keep still music cd's?
Post by: yester64 on Mon, 27 May 2013, 21:40:36
I have to admit that i sold all my vinyls a long time ago.(it was dumb) About 20 years ago to precise. Thing is, at the time i did not realize that vinyls are actually the better part of music. Memories and a different listening.
Now i have some cd's and mostly out of nostalgia i bought some of them again (previously as lp). But now i question myself if there is even a point in it.
Before i had a big cardbox with lyrics on it. Now its so tiny and sometimes looks like just printed in a fit to space attire. So its hard to read sometimes.
I feel there is little benefit beside the better quality (which i can not even really distinguish.
I think i will buy music only as download now. Its just makes more sense.
Title: Re: Do you keep still music cd's?
Post by: tp4tissue on Mon, 27 May 2013, 21:42:20
I actually just picked up my first, non gift, audio CD ever(or at least in the last 10 or so years).

It was a tour only live CD and a release of only 500 so I snapped it up at the show.
I had to use my PlayStation to play the damn thing :P

You should use a Dreamcast, it has a more powerful audio processor, AND better output.
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Post by: SpAmRaY on Mon, 27 May 2013, 21:57:00
I listen to cd's all the time in my vehicle!
Title: Re: Do you keep still music cd's?
Post by: daerid on Tue, 28 May 2013, 00:03:22
No, I mainly have everything at >256kbps MP3s. But lately I've been hearing the MP3 crappiness. And that sucks, because it basically means my whole music collection is ruined, and I have to re-encode from the CDs in a different format. And I don't really have that many CDs :(
Title: Re: Do you keep still music cd's?
Post by: Badwrench on Tue, 28 May 2013, 00:11:05
I mostly buy the cd, as i like to physically have something in my hand.  If the music is cheaper to purchase via itunes though, I go that route.  I have boxes of cds in the attic in the event of catastrophic hdd failure. (fingers crossed).  I have like 17days worth of music on my itunes.  Only a couple albums were actually purchased on itunes, and I shudder to think about how long it would take to re rip it. 
Title: Re: Do you keep still music cd's?
Post by: baldgye on Tue, 28 May 2013, 01:16:49
I have a whole lot of CDs and vinyl. I still regularly buy CDs too, having the physical thing is more enjoyable and sometimes cheaper than paying for the download.
Title: Re: Do you keep still music cd's?
Post by: YoungMichael88 on Tue, 28 May 2013, 01:46:56
CD audio is 2 channels of 16k at 44.1kHz. Nowadays people are recording at higher bit rates than this and compact disk is not capable of being any higher. So regardless of if the original recordings are higher quality, the moment it is put on CD it goes back down to 16k/44.1kHz. This is called lossy data compression. If you want to hear what this compression sounds like just listen to music on YouTube, specifically higher frequency elements such as cymbal crashes and high-hats. You tube compresses already compressed files so you can really hear the degradation. That being said, mp3 files are worse than CD as far as quality goes. If you want to retain the quality you need to use a larger file format such as WAV or AAC (also known as mp4) but even these formats will only result in "near cd" quality. Since storage space on hard drives are getting better and better, file size is becoming less of an issue so the future for music is looking good.
Title: Re: Do you keep still music cd's?
Post by: vun on Tue, 28 May 2013, 02:36:05
I still like to buy CDs, but then again I live in Norway where the only real digital alternative I've found is the iTunes store, which I'm not a big fan of. I'm not a big fan of streaming either because I like being able to buy my music and then decide what I do with it and which devices I put it on.
Title: Re: Do you keep still music cd's?
Post by: tp4tissue on Tue, 28 May 2013, 02:44:33
CD audio is 2 channels of 16k at 44.1kHz. Nowadays people are recording at higher bit rates than this and compact disk is not capable of being any higher. So regardless of if the original recordings are higher quality, the moment it is put on CD it goes back down to 16k/44.1kHz. This is called lossy data compression. If you want to hear what this compression sounds like just listen to music on YouTube, specifically higher frequency elements such as cymbal crashes and high-hats. You tube compresses already compressed files so you can really hear the degradation. That being said, mp3 files are worse than CD as far as quality goes. If you want to retain the quality you need to use a larger file format such as WAV or AAC (also known as mp4) but even these formats will only result in "near cd" quality. Since storage space on hard drives are getting better and better, file size is becoming less of an issue so the future for music is looking good.

LOL we got an equipment freak over here. :D

No matter how large you make your digital file, you are approximating something with infinite complexity, which is why there is no replacement for live"

Should we develop better equipment, the answer is up until a POINT, where the cost exceeds our ability to discern.

Where the problem occurs is, when the COST to discern, is greater than the cost of "enjoyment".

This is where the audiophiles usually end up, when they spend more resources listening to their "EQUIPMENT", rather than the music being played, which is a corruption of the original PURPOSE of the music...


NOW,, if you want to argue the engineering perspective, sure, bigger numbers = great..

But, please take a step back when you tell people 16bits/44k is "not enough"
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Post by: The_Beast on Tue, 28 May 2013, 02:46:34
Nope, I don't even have an optical drive installed in my computer or on my laptop
Title: Re: Do you keep still music cd's?
Post by: Grim Fandango on Tue, 28 May 2013, 02:49:40
I still have old ones. But they are all in storage somewhere.

Nowadays having your music in digital format is just that much more convenient.
Title: Re: Do you keep still music cd's?
Post by: WRXChris on Tue, 28 May 2013, 03:40:36
As a child of the 80s, I always appreciated having a hard copy of my media once I migrated to digital formats in the early 2000s.  I would buy CDs and convert them to mp3s, and eventually to FLAC as I do now.  I always appreciated having those hard copies to fall back on in the case of a data wipe.  That being said, I now have audio equipment that shows the difference between 24bit/96kHz and downsampled 16bit/44kHz CD quality sound, and I appreciate being able to download studio quality FLACs from artists' websites these days.  The sound quality difference makes it worth the hard copy sacrifice, IMO!
Title: Re: Do you keep still music cd's?
Post by: davkol on Tue, 28 May 2013, 03:41:06
There's no point in using anything "better" than 320kbit/s MP3. Human brain can't process more information (tested e.g. here (http://www.trustedreviews.com/opinions/sounds-good-to-me)), lossless formats usually take at least about four times more space and MP3s are supported almost everywhere (and we (outside the US or Japan) don't have to worry about licensing either).

However, I do have plenty of old CDs, cassettes and vinyls around, and I want to start collecting vinyls again.
Title: Re: Do you keep still music cd's?
Post by: YoungMichael88 on Tue, 28 May 2013, 04:10:50
CD audio is 2 channels of 16k at 44.1kHz. Nowadays people are recording at higher bit rates than this and compact disk is not capable of being any higher. So regardless of if the original recordings are higher quality, the moment it is put on CD it goes back down to 16k/44.1kHz. This is called lossy data compression. If you want to hear what this compression sounds like just listen to music on YouTube, specifically higher frequency elements such as cymbal crashes and high-hats. You tube compresses already compressed files so you can really hear the degradation. That being said, mp3 files are worse than CD as far as quality goes. If you want to retain the quality you need to use a larger file format such as WAV or AAC (also known as mp4) but even these formats will only result in "near cd" quality. Since storage space on hard drives are getting better and better, file size is becoming less of an issue so the future for music is looking good.

LOL we got an equipment freak over here. :D

No matter how large you make your digital file, you are approximating something with infinite complexity, which is why there is no replacement for live"

Should we develop better equipment, the answer is up until a POINT, where the cost exceeds our ability to discern.

Where the problem occurs is, when the COST to discern, is greater than the cost of "enjoyment".

This is where the audiophiles usually end up, when they spend more resources listening to their "EQUIPMENT", rather than the music being played, which is a corruption of the original PURPOSE of the music...


NOW,, if you want to argue the engineering perspective, sure, bigger numbers = great..

But, please take a step back when you tell people 16bits/44k is "not enough"
Oh I'm all for 16bit/44.1kHz. I think you misunderstood me. I'm not an equipment freak I just went to school for audio production and sound engineering so I come from purely an engineering perspective. In fact I don't even own a sound system other than my recording rig. just think its worth noting that newer (mp3) is not better as some people might naturally assume. Unless of course you are judging "better" based on convenience.
Title: Re: Do you keep still music cd's?
Post by: baldgye on Tue, 28 May 2013, 04:18:51
One thing that makes me laugh is the number of people you come across who race about how much better lossless file types are and how only the clueless use mp3's etc.. When the vast majority of them use onboard sound cards lol

As much as I love having my entire music collection a click or two away having a proper hifi system is so nice, if forced to choose between mp3s and CDs I'd go with CDs everytime
Title: Re: Do you keep still music cd's?
Post by: YoungMichael88 on Tue, 28 May 2013, 04:43:40
One thing that makes me laugh is the number of people you come across who race about how much better lossless file types are and how only the clueless use mp3's etc.. When the vast majority of them use onboard sound cards lol

As much as I love having my entire music collection a click or two away having a proper hifi system is so nice, if forced to choose between mp3s and CDs I'd go with CDs everytime
What I find funny is when people make a point of telling you the high bit rate they recorded with while showing you their material on compact disk therefore rendering their high bit rates useless. But as a sound engineer of sorts, I will always record at the highest rate I can for future formats. Better to have it and not need it than to need it and not have it.
Title: Re: Do you keep still music cd's?
Post by: pexon on Tue, 28 May 2013, 04:51:17
Nothing beats cracking open up a new CD, popping it in the player and having a mosh. When you rip CDs, the quality is superb too, which is a bonus.
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Post by: mauri on Tue, 28 May 2013, 05:04:40
Thing is, most music I listen is never made into cds. I can count every cd I've bought with one hand : D
Title: Re: Do you keep still music cd's?
Post by: tp4tissue on Tue, 28 May 2013, 05:12:41
Thing is, most music I listen is never made into cds. I can count every cd I've bought with one hand : D

this probably means your taste in music sux.. :D


For example, Most of the old movies I like made it to DVD, then Bray.
Title: Re: Do you keep still music cd's?
Post by: pexon on Tue, 28 May 2013, 05:15:15
Thing is, most music I listen is never made into cds. I can count every cd I've bought with one hand : D

this probably means your taste in music sux.. :D


Thats probably true! Most metalheads keep CDs, I think they are one the few remaining people who actually buy CDs.
Title: Re: Do you keep still music cd's?
Post by: tp4tissue on Tue, 28 May 2013, 05:22:00
Thing is, most music I listen is never made into cds. I can count every cd I've bought with one hand : D

this probably means your taste in music sux.. :D


Thats probably true! Most metalheads keep CDs, I think they are one the few remaining people who actually buy CDs.

Here's my confusion on that...

Given that the METAL genre has a great deal of "intentional" distortion... How worthwhile is preserving it on hifi..

This is a case where you'd have to discern Intended distortion from un-intended distortion.

Also, with how loud metal-crowds listen to their music, many have hearing damage.


So we have,  distortion intended+ un-intended + hearing damaged people...

Where does Hifi come into this... :D

Mp3 is more than enough.
Title: Re: Do you keep still music cd's?
Post by: baldgye on Tue, 28 May 2013, 05:23:19
One thing that makes me laugh is the number of people you come across who race about how much better lossless file types are and how only the clueless use mp3's etc.. When the vast majority of them use onboard sound cards lol

As much as I love having my entire music collection a click or two away having a proper hifi system is so nice, if forced to choose between mp3s and CDs I'd go with CDs everytime
What I find funny is when people make a point of telling you the high bit rate they recorded with while showing you their material on compact disk therefore rendering their high bit rates useless. But as a sound engineer of sorts, I will always record at the highest rate I can for future formats. Better to have it and not need it than to need it and not have it.

Yeah, when Random Access Memories leaked I got people sending me links to higher (slightly) bitrate versions because 128kbs was just 'horrible' etc but on my PC set up I couldn't tell much if any diffrence between them... Sure my vinyl sounds alot nicer, but that's thanks to my amp and hifi speakers mostly lol
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Post by: YoungMichael88 on Tue, 28 May 2013, 05:27:49
One thing that makes me laugh is the number of people you come across who race about how much better lossless file types are and how only the clueless use mp3's etc.. When the vast majority of them use onboard sound cards lol

As much as I love having my entire music collection a click or two away having a proper hifi system is so nice, if forced to choose between mp3s and CDs I'd go with CDs everytime
What I find funny is when people make a point of telling you the high bit rate they recorded with while showing you their material on compact disk therefore rendering their high bit rates useless. But as a sound engineer of sorts, I will always record at the highest rate I can for future formats. Better to have it and not need it than to need it and not have it.

Yeah, when Random Access Memories leaked I got people sending me links to higher (slightly) bitrate versions because 128kbs was just 'horrible' etc but on my PC set up I couldn't tell much if any diffrence between them... Sure my vinyl sounds alot nicer, but that's thanks to my amp and hifi speakers mostly lol
Some people just don't get it. Personally I find it torture to listen to anything on YouTube. I love that new daft punk album by the way. 
Title: Re: Do you keep still music cd's?
Post by: baldgye on Tue, 28 May 2013, 05:37:51
Yeah, I tend not to use YouTube for anything other than sampling, which makes the audio Q less important (like beat ports system), but just find it a pain to listen to anything properly on it because of the way it's set up



And yeah I'm in love with RAM, got the Japanese version arriving today ^^ dat bonus track!
Title: Re: Do you keep still music cd's?
Post by: tp4tissue on Tue, 28 May 2013, 05:40:07
One thing that makes me laugh is the number of people you come across who race about how much better lossless file types are and how only the clueless use mp3's etc.. When the vast majority of them use onboard sound cards lol

As much as I love having my entire music collection a click or two away having a proper hifi system is so nice, if forced to choose between mp3s and CDs I'd go with CDs everytime
What I find funny is when people make a point of telling you the high bit rate they recorded with while showing you their material on compact disk therefore rendering their high bit rates useless. But as a sound engineer of sorts, I will always record at the highest rate I can for future formats. Better to have it and not need it than to need it and not have it.

Yeah, when Random Access Memories leaked I got people sending me links to higher (slightly) bitrate versions because 128kbs was just 'horrible' etc but on my PC set up I couldn't tell much if any diffrence between them... Sure my vinyl sounds alot nicer, but that's thanks to my amp and hifi speakers mostly lol
Some people just don't get it. Personally I find it torture to listen to anything on YouTube. I love that new daft punk album by the way. 

You find it torture, but this has been purely a personal choice..

You made it a point to be an "audio-engineer", you've trained yourself to discern good vs bad recording.. So you've already doomed yourself from every returning to the reality of the untainted audience..

That is to say, you'll never enjoy music as music ever again...  biting into the fruit of knowledge (of sound) screwed music for you FOREVER...

:D
Title: Re: Do you keep still music cd's?
Post by: pexon on Tue, 28 May 2013, 05:45:14
Thing is, most music I listen is never made into cds. I can count every cd I've bought with one hand : D

this probably means your taste in music sux.. :D


Thats probably true! Most metalheads keep CDs, I think they are one the few remaining people who actually buy CDs.

Here's my confusion on that...

Given that the METAL genre has a great deal of "intentional" distortion... How worthwhile is preserving it on hifi..

This is a case where you'd have to discern Intended distortion from un-intended distortion.

Also, with how loud metal-crowds listen to their music, many have hearing damage.


So we have,  distortion intended+ un-intended + hearing damaged people...

Where does Hifi come into this... :D

Mp3 is more than enough.

Not true, especially with modern metal/ 'djent.' There is no way you can pick up all the nuances in modering tech metal in MP3 format. I consider my self an audiophile and I listen to 95% metal.
Title: Re: Do you keep still music cd's?
Post by: baldgye on Tue, 28 May 2013, 06:02:58
I don't think you can really consider yourself an audiophile unless/untill you've justified spending £20,000+ on hifi equipment lol :P
Title: Re: Do you keep still music cd's?
Post by: AGmurdercore on Tue, 28 May 2013, 06:05:48
Vinyl yes, CDs no :)
Pretty much this, unless the band i want to support does not have vinyls. Then i buy the CD ;D
Title: Re: Do you keep still music cd's?
Post by: YoungMichael88 on Tue, 28 May 2013, 06:10:36
One thing that makes me laugh is the number of people you come across who race about how much better lossless file types are and how only the clueless use mp3's etc.. When the vast majority of them use onboard sound cards lol

As much as I love having my entire music collection a click or two away having a proper hifi system is so nice, if forced to choose between mp3s and CDs I'd go with CDs everytime
What I find funny is when people make a point of telling you the high bit rate they recorded with while showing you their material on compact disk therefore rendering their high bit rates useless. But as a sound engineer of sorts, I will always record at the highest rate I can for future formats. Better to have it and not need it than to need it and not have it.

Yeah, when Random Access Memories leaked I got people sending me links to higher (slightly) bitrate versions because 128kbs was just 'horrible' etc but on my PC set up I couldn't tell much if any diffrence between them... Sure my vinyl sounds alot nicer, but that's thanks to my amp and hifi speakers mostly lol
Some people just don't get it. Personally I find it torture to listen to anything on YouTube. I love that new daft punk album by the way. 

You find it torture, but this has been purely a personal choice..

You made it a point to be an "audio-engineer", you've trained yourself to discern good vs bad recording.. So you've already doomed yourself from every returning to the reality of the untainted audience..

That is to say, you'll never enjoy music as music ever again...  biting into the fruit of knowledge (of sound) screwed music for you FOREVER...

:D
This is exactly right. I can't listen to music now without trying to determine what types of reverbs/delays etc. they use in the process. What mics did they use? How did they get that kick drum sound? Oh **** that hi hat is a little loud. Why didn't they do this or that. It is both a blessing and a curse in that I hear good things that some other people may not hear and know how they did it, but also I hear some of the unwanted bits like edits here and there etc. But it's really rewarding when you listen to an album that's just put together so flawlessly.
Title: Re: Do you keep still music cd's?
Post by: mauri on Tue, 28 May 2013, 06:57:00
Thing is, most music I listen is never made into cds. I can count every cd I've bought with one hand : D

this probably means your taste in music sux.. :D


For example, Most of the old movies I like made it to DVD, then Bray.

EDM is mostly remixes, and quite frankly I haven't seen any edm artists' cds : D Also there are like one or two albums in the world that I want to actually listen cover to cover.
Title: Re: Do you keep still music cd's?
Post by: baldgye on Tue, 28 May 2013, 07:56:00
Thing is, most music I listen is never made into cds. I can count every cd I've bought with one hand : D

this probably means your taste in music sux.. :D


For example, Most of the old movies I like made it to DVD, then Bray.

I haven't seen any edm artists' cds : D

I've got loads lol
Title: Re: Do you keep still music cd's?
Post by: yester64 on Tue, 28 May 2013, 20:32:28
Actually, i tried to get Space Night 2 & 3 and can not get it anymore. Very sad. Out of print. You will not even find them anymore on ebay and if for a hefty price.
Title: Re: Do you keep still music cd's?
Post by: fohat.digs on Tue, 28 May 2013, 20:47:38
Nothing beats cracking open up a new CD, popping it in the player and having a mosh. When you rip CDs, the quality is superb too, which is a bonus.

Nothing beats pulling the LP off the shelf, removing the full-size cardboard jacket from its protective sleeve, placing the LP on the turntable, and setting the stylus just at the opening groove.

I probably have 1K LPs and twice that many CDs, and consider the LPs to be "permanent" and the CDs "temporary" - maybe a couple of decades at most.

A few years ago, my sister asked me to rip our family's favorite Christmas LPs (about half a dozen from the 1950s-60s). The one that we played the most, year after year, was an old mono LP dated 1955. It has been played hundreds of times on horrible equipment, yet it played straight through without a skip and with minimal surface noise. I was astonished, but gratified that such ancient media could perform so well after half a century.

Try that in the year 2050 with a CD.

Besides, I believe that since sound waves, all real musical instruments, and the human ear are 100% analog phenomenon, a mechanical analog storage and reproduction system makes the most sense.

And no, I don't have all tube amplifiers, but I would like to, one day. My 2 record-playing rigs are mid-grade 1980s gear, in excellent condition.

Having said all that, I love to be able to sit at my computer and listen to any of my music in seconds, through my high-end sound card and multi-speaker rig with decent woofer.

And, in case you are wondering, my collection revolves around 1950s-60s-70s jazz and rock, mostly progressive, psychedelic, and avant-garde, with a fair amount of modern classical and blues tossed in for good measure. I have almost no music after about 1990, and virtually everything is also in .MP3 format.
Title: Re: Do you keep still music cd's?
Post by: Input Nirvana on Tue, 28 May 2013, 20:56:03
No more media formats. I'm either on hard drive, flash, or streaming, and if I can get myself organized...just keep my 700 gigs in the cloud.
Title: Re: Do you keep still music cd's?
Post by: demik on Tue, 28 May 2013, 20:57:43
yeah, just went to go buy daft punk's new album last week. best buy isnt what it used to be. the internet has really put it in their butt raw.
Title: Re: Do you keep still music cd's?
Post by: CPTBadAss on Tue, 28 May 2013, 21:26:57
Nothing beats cracking open up a new CD, popping it in the player and having a mosh. When you rip CDs, the quality is superb too, which is a bonus.

Haha, I feel the same way man. I love the artwork on the inserts and seeing how the lyric book is laid out. The Dillinger Escape Plan's "One of Us is the Killer" has this really awesome font that looked like someone's journal. Plus who doesnt like a good mosh :P

What modern metal/djent were you referring to? I think bands like Periphery and Between the Buried and Me really shine when you listen to them on CD and probably vinyl. The quality on say YouTube and even Spotify just isn't the same for me.
Title: Re: Do you keep still music cd's?
Post by: tp4tissue on Tue, 28 May 2013, 21:37:56
yeah, just went to go buy daft punk's new album last week. best buy isnt what it used to be. the internet has really put it in their butt raw.

Woah... a bit explicit there for GH..
Title: Re: Do you keep still music cd's?
Post by: yester64 on Mon, 01 July 2013, 21:41:48
Ok, i want to buy digital.. but Amazon suxx somewhat. For example, you can't buy only limited albums from Black Sabbath or AC/DC. Where do you guys buy if you buy digital?
Title: Re: Do you keep still music cd's?
Post by: fohat.digs on Mon, 01 July 2013, 21:56:44
Ebay is the world's marketplace.

When CDs came out in the mid-1980s, they totally sucked because they did not care and left them equalized for phono cartridges.

Try not to buy any CD mastered earlier than early-mid-1990s, and high-bit remasterings are usually - but not always - well worth it.

Some artists (cough - Frank Zappa - cough) went to great effort to change and degrade wonderful originals.
Title: Re: Do you keep still music cd's?
Post by: tp4tissue on Mon, 01 July 2013, 23:40:26
Ebay is the world's marketplace.

When CDs came out in the mid-1980s, they totally sucked because they did not care and left them equalized for phono cartridges.

Try not to buy any CD mastered earlier than early-mid-1990s, and high-bit remasterings are usually - but not always - well worth it.

Some artists (cough - Frank Zappa - cough) went to great effort to change and degrade wonderful originals.

subjective opinion..

You MAY be right... bu......    it is a bigger leap taken this time as he personally oversaw the transfers according to wiki,   which means,,  you're presuming to know better than the artist himself...   

possible..... but.... definately LESS concretely so than if the originals were remastered by some random engineer.
Title: Re: Do you keep still music cd's?
Post by: sth on Tue, 02 July 2013, 00:57:20
Not true, especially with modern metal/ 'djent.' There is no way you can pick up all the nuances in modering tech metal in MP3 format. I consider my self an audiophile and I listen to 95% metal.

LEL
Title: Re: Do you keep still music cd's?
Post by: hashbaz on Tue, 02 July 2013, 02:35:21
I own tons of CDs but haven't purchased a new one at a store for nearly a decade.  I do have semi-fond memories of driving down to the media superstore and paying $17 for a new release, tearing off the plastic wrapper and cursing the impossible-to-cleanly-remove adhesive seal.

I took those discs to high school and listened to them on a discman.  I was a freshman in college during Napster's heyday and I can clearly remember being totally floored the first time I encountered an iPod.

Being a music consumer these days is pretty awesome.  Finding new interesting stuff is easy and affordable (or often free).  I don't miss album art or the record store scene (which I was never a part of), and I've never cared about vinyl.
Title: Re: Do you keep still music cd's?
Post by: korrelate on Tue, 02 July 2013, 02:48:19
When I find a recording that's really worth it, I buy the disc. Have to really love it though. Growing up before the iPod meant getting shafted, album after album, with one-hit-wonders: you'd buy the whole album and then bang! Total trash.

Of course, their were some exceptions: that's how I discovered tool. Undertow had just been released and I heard "Prison Sex," censored or course, on a college radio station. Bought the album just because of that track and loved the entire thing. But considering how often I got screwed, and that I don't really listen to Tool much anymore, that's not much compensation.

La Gioconda with Maria Callas: Worth It. RATT: not so much.
Title: Re: Do you keep still music cd's?
Post by: fohat.digs on Wed, 03 July 2013, 19:01:08
You MAY be right... but......    it is a bigger leap taken this time as he personally oversaw the transfers according to wiki

I have read several books on the subject including Barry Miles' exhaustive biography.

Back in the day, I was a big fan of the band, The Mothers of Invention. Zappa always resented anything that impinged on his (imagined) complete control of everything that was happening, and he spent the rest of his life trying to downgrade and negate the contributions of anyone but himself.

Decades down the road, especially from the turbulent 1960s, much of the "art" should be considered "historical artifact" and there is no reason, for example, in 1991, to disassemble an album from 1967 and replace an original drum track with a freshly recorded, and different version. Regardless of whether it was "better" which it most likely wasn't, anyway.
Title: Re: Do you keep still music cd's?
Post by: Lanx on Wed, 03 July 2013, 21:03:28
a mix of amazon and itunes.

dad still has a chest full of vinyl
Title: Re: Do you keep still music cd's?
Post by: IvanIvanovich on Wed, 03 July 2013, 21:21:57
I don't by CDs for many years. I only have small amount of some very hard to find out of print things still, like early 'demo' type release from now more well known bands. I think the newest CD I bought was Mayhem Chimera... I only do digital now, but if I really really really like something I will try to find it on vinyl if available.
There is still just something about vinyl for me, the extra big covers, inserts, posters, color/picture discs... that CD can't touch. If I am going to spend extra money on a physical copy, it needs to be something more. Another thing that amuses me, is that often times you can get the vinyl and a download code for high quality mp3 or flac and can keep that vinyl pristine until bit rot set in on your digital!
Title: Re: Do you keep still music cd's?
Post by: TacticalCoder on Sat, 06 July 2013, 12:17:35
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I wonder sometimes. We are living in a modern age where old devices become so irrelevant over time.

I've got a car from 2001 which came stock with a CD reader in it and I still didn't change it. So I do still have a few CDs around  :))

At home I'm just streaming musing from Internet radio.
Title: Re: Do you keep still music cd's?
Post by: Trent on Sat, 06 July 2013, 20:14:57
My car is in that awkward age: not old enough to use a cassette tape (can use as aux in) and it isn't new enough to have a dedicated aux in or iPod connector.

All it can do it play CDs, so I burn mixes for long drives.
Title: Re: Do you keep still music cd's?
Post by: Findecanor on Sat, 06 July 2013, 21:06:02
The only CDs I buy are used CDs of unusual old music, to rip on the computer. Unfortunately, my drive is broken: it no longer handles CDs... it handles DVDs, but not CDs...
Title: Re: Do you keep still music cd's?
Post by: fohat.digs on Sat, 06 July 2013, 21:53:42
it handles DVDs, but not CDs...

How strange. I am such a music fanatic that I have a dedicated music CD drive - a nice old Lite On from the early 2000s.
Title: Re: Do you keep still music cd's?
Post by: TranscendingLogic on Sun, 14 July 2013, 03:17:15
Yeah, I keep the many CDs I've bought over the years - four moving boxes worth, but they've all been ripped to mp3 and my trend is to buy digital these days.

It's just so surreal to have lived to see the beginning and possibly the end of the CD.
Title: Re: Do you keep still music cd's?
Post by: TheSoulhunter on Sun, 14 July 2013, 11:12:05
When I buy CDs I usually end up spending more time fixing em than actually listening em...
My last CD purchase -> http://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=45656.msg955869#msg955869
Title: Re: Do you keep still music cd's?
Post by: yester64 on Sun, 14 July 2013, 11:49:23
When I buy CDs I usually end up spending more time fixing em than actually listening em...
My last CD purchase -> http://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=45656.msg955869#msg955869

Just wondering. Can you hear these inconsistencies?
Title: Re: Do you keep still music cd's?
Post by: TheSoulhunter on Sun, 14 July 2013, 13:56:51
When I buy CDs I usually end up spending more time fixing em than actually listening em...
My last CD purchase -> http://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=45656.msg955869#msg955869

Just wondering. Can you hear these inconsistencies?

Yes, otherwise it would be hard to find em in the waveform (scrolling through it would take ages) also I wouldn't really care if I couldn't hear em...
Basically I listen the tracks while recording a separate track where I yell "left! / right!" in my mic when I hear a error/click/pop, then I visually inspect the spots where I yelled!
Title: Re: Do you keep still music cd's?
Post by: yester64 on Sun, 14 July 2013, 20:29:55
My hearing is not that great anymore since i have tinnitus, but this is quiet interesting. Never thought about that.
For some reason i feel that if i download Mp3 from Amazon that they sound better than my wav's that i rip from my cd's. Not sure why.
But i haven't ripping for a longer time and since i listen only sometimes to music at all, i just never noticed these inconsistencies in the files.
Title: Re: Do you keep still music cd's?
Post by: TheSoulhunter on Sun, 14 July 2013, 23:30:23
My hearing is not that great anymore since i have tinnitus, but this is quiet interesting. Never thought about that.
For some reason i feel that if i download Mp3 from Amazon that they sound better than my wav's that i rip from my cd's. Not sure why.
But i haven't ripping for a longer time and since i listen only sometimes to music at all, i just never noticed these inconsistencies in the files.

Part of the problem probably is that I'm kinda trained to spot errors in audio and video,
because I was involved in A/V filter and codec development for like 10 years,
and doing A/B comparisons or spotting irregularities was part of it...

Anyway, I cut out and uploaded a sniplet with one of the stronger glitches:
http://soulhunters-crappy-website.com/misc/Before.flac

(http://soulhunters-crappy-website.com/misc/Before.png)

Can you hear it?


Title: Re: Do you keep still music cd's?
Post by: oTurtlez on Mon, 15 July 2013, 08:39:23
Only use I have for CD's now is to FLAC rip them and keep the quality lossless whereas it's harder to find that quality music on the internet.
Title: Re: Do you keep still music cd's?
Post by: yester64 on Tue, 16 July 2013, 22:35:23
My hearing is not that great anymore since i have tinnitus, but this is quiet interesting. Never thought about that.
For some reason i feel that if i download Mp3 from Amazon that they sound better than my wav's that i rip from my cd's. Not sure why.
But i haven't ripping for a longer time and since i listen only sometimes to music at all, i just never noticed these inconsistencies in the files.

Part of the problem probably is that I'm kinda trained to spot errors in audio and video,
because I was involved in A/V filter and codec development for like 10 years,
and doing A/B comparisons or spotting irregularities was part of it...

Anyway, I cut out and uploaded a sniplet with one of the stronger glitches:
http://soulhunters-crappy-website.com/misc/Before.flac

Show Image
(http://soulhunters-crappy-website.com/misc/Before.png)


Can you hear it?




I think i heard a bump of sorts