Here they are. It took me some time to refine them and they still need some very small updates... but THEY WORK!Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/NpslyKj.jpg)
If I can find a way to mass produce we could set up a group buy, otherwise I will simply mold them in epoxy resin and take them for myself :D
Here they are. It took me some time to refine them and they still need some very small updates... but THEY WORK!Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/NpslyKj.jpg)
If I can find a way to mass produce we could set up a group buy, otherwise I will simply mold them in epoxy resin and take them for myself :D
What are you, a witch or something?!?!?
Nice work mate, I would be willing to put down money to make a mold and get these things made. I wonder if SP could help us?
yeah I think SP could work on the mold... and being so small it wouldn't cost that much.
only problem so far is that to remove the original slider you have to break the small "talon" on the barrel. I'm studying a non-destructive solution.
just a heads-up for all those topre lovers... most topre keyboards have a 6u spacebar which is not very common... guess why I'm running the Skull Squadron set that includes a 6u spacebar? http://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=54334.0
yeah I think SP could work on the mold... and being so small it wouldn't cost that much.
only problem so far is that to remove the original slider you have to break the small "talon" on the barrel. I'm studying a non-destructive solution.
ladies and gents...Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/bCuznjU.jpg)Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/DRseKKv.jpg)
I'm a bit wet now...
How are you making these now? They look like really nicely 3d printed parts, but they could also be a mold....
How are you making these now? They look like really nicely 3d printed parts, but they could also be a mold....
They are 3D printed in what Shapeways call Ultra Frosted Detail I believe.
How are you making these now? They look like really nicely 3d printed parts, but they could also be a mold....
They are 3D printed in what Shapeways call Ultra Frosted Detail I believe.
Wow, they look REALLY good. I just must be used to 3d printers with really low resolution/prototype speeds.
How are you making these now? They look like really nicely 3d printed parts, but they could also be a mold....
They are 3D printed in what Shapeways call Ultra Frosted Detail I believe.
Wow, they look REALLY good. I just must be used to 3d printers with really low resolution/prototype speeds.
you can see it hereShow Image(http://i42.tinypic.com/xor6vr.jpg)
there's a small dent you have to cut to remove the slider. It's totally safe to remove it, its only purpose is to prevent the slider to slip away when you open the keyboard. Once the keyboard is closed it has no functionality. I believe it's something needed during the manufacturing process.
you can see it hereShow Image(http://i42.tinypic.com/xor6vr.jpg)
there's a small dent you have to cut to remove the slider. It's totally safe to remove it, its only purpose is to prevent the slider to slip away when you open the keyboard. Once the keyboard is closed it has no functionality. I believe it's something needed during the manufacturing process.
I didn't notice those in my HHKB.
I've used shapeways before. You should just upload it there when you finish it and I'd love to order through them again!
you can see it hereShow Image(http://i42.tinypic.com/xor6vr.jpg)
there's a small dent you have to cut to remove the slider. It's totally safe to remove it, its only purpose is to prevent the slider to slip away when you open the keyboard. Once the keyboard is closed it has no functionality. I believe it's something needed during the manufacturing process.
I didn't notice those in my HHKB.
I've used shapeways before. You should just upload it there when you finish it and I'd love to order through them again!
the dent is totally unneeded, as I said I believe it's something that they use during manufacturing (probably for plate mounted topres, since HHKB seems not to have it).
Dude! awesome work!
Can I just buy one off you? $10! ;)
i literally have money to throw at this to get it off the ground if you need it
feel free to pm me if there is anything i can contribute to get this moving
Oooh...Wonder if we'll see Matt3o's completed design before the Novatouch. :eek:
Stabilizers are overrated :D
NovaTouch will be available in May/June. My final proto will be ready next week. I just have to find a way to produce them at a reasonable price. There's a company near here that makes fishing hooks. They can make the mold and cast in ABS (or even PBT). Last time I checked the mold was around 1000 euros, I'll let you know.
Just as long as you are not treading on anyone's IP toes with this.
CM might have patented this slider design for the Novatouch.
Just as long as you are not treading on anyone's IP toes with this.
CM might have patented this slider design for the Novatouch.
Wouldn't CM be stepping on IP toes by combining both designs from 2 different companies if not licensed? :P
Just as long as you are not treading on anyone's IP toes with this.
CM might have patented this slider design for the Novatouch.
CM is not the only company working on that slider. Noppoo is also working on it and actually they already released a couple of prototypes.
Other than that... do you believe that CM would destroy its reputation by suing a community-not-for-profit project targeted to people who already have a topre keyboard? don't think so.
PS: btw, I've also asked to an EU CM representative
I took the sliders out of my Realforce 87Us this weekend no problem. I'd love to get one of these for my Esc. PS You don't have to cut them. I used the bottom of my plastic PS3 Controller screwdriver. It pushed the sliders right out of the housings without ruining them.
Just as long as you are not treading on anyone's IP toes with this.
CM might have patented this slider design for the Novatouch.
They can't as I have posted about my attempts at this years back. Since there is prior material on the idea, it is fairly easy to void any such patent should they attempt it.
Wasn't that noppoo keyboard the one people took the sliders off of and put them in their topre keyboards?Just as long as you are not treading on anyone's IP toes with this.
CM might have patented this slider design for the Novatouch.
CM is not the only company working on that slider. Noppoo is also working on it and actually they already released a couple of prototypes.
Other than that... do you believe that CM would destroy its reputation by suing a community-not-for-profit project targeted to people who already have a topre keyboard? don't think so.
PS: btw, I've also asked to an EU CM representative
What is this noppoo you speak of, I only see MX for them.http://deskthority.net/news-reviews-f4/noppoo-tease-a-very-familiar-capacitive-switch-design-t6741.html#p139550
What is this noppoo you speak of, I only see MX for them.http://deskthority.net/news-reviews-f4/noppoo-tease-a-very-familiar-capacitive-switch-design-t6741.html#p139550
I hope to receive the new prototypes by the end of the week.
I rebuilt the model from scratch and I've been able to make it compatible with less expensive 3d printing materials. The difference is $2 instead of $6 per slider.
I'll have both versions printed to see the difference. I'll also design the stabilized slider, it seems pretty simple so it shouldn't be a problem. I hope to receive the new prototypes by the end of the week.
I rebuilt the model from scratch and I've been able to make it compatible with less expensive 3d printing materials. The difference is $2 instead of $6 per slider.
I'll have both versions printed to see the difference. I'll also design the stabilized slider, it seems pretty simple so it shouldn't be a problem. I hope to receive the new prototypes by the end of the week.
I rebuilt the model from scratch and I've been able to make it compatible with less expensive 3d printing materials. The difference is $2 instead of $6 per slider.
I'll have both versions printed to see the difference. I'll also design the stabilized slider, it seems pretty simple so it shouldn't be a problem. I hope to receive the new prototypes by the end of the week.
That sounds great! I wonder if different materials would effect the feel of each keystroke. It would be cool to get different colors too
We're one step away from this. We just need to work out the stabilisers.Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/N9k0nxp.png)
Out of curiosity, when you remove the nub that keeps the sliders in, will they continue to work fine if you put them back in? I would imagine they would, but maybe there's some quirks that mess them up that you might know of.
Out of curiosity, when you remove the nub that keeps the sliders in, will they continue to work fine if you put them back in? I would imagine they would, but maybe there's some quirks that mess them up that you might know of.
yes, they work exactly the same. absolutely nothing changes. in fact some of the sliders don't have it at all (the left ctrl in the realforce for example, and all stabilized keys)
And rumor says that Topre have plan for similar product too.
And rumor says that Topre have plan for similar product too.
Citation needed, please.
No citation. It's just a rumor I heard on a Chinese forum.
Now we just need to figure out how to make custom domes 8)
tomorrow I'm getting the new prototypes! crossing fingers...
run UPS run!
Now I'm a bit in a hurry. Comments later. The white one is in low quality material, very cheap but it turned out pretty well anyway.Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/i08NUdP.jpg)Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/9G1SKKo.jpg)Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/U3NVL8I.jpg)Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/lifcMZY.jpg)Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/xIlAxKW.jpg)
Okay guys.
The new prototype is perfect. I can't really find any flaws to it.
Maybe --if you really want to be super anal-- it wobbles a little more than the original. That is probably due to the fact the I use sharp edges instead of rounded. But, really, it's unnoticeable. I'll try to make some more tests to see if I can make it super firm, but I don't want to risk to make it scratchy (ie: hit the sides of the housing).
The frosted material one is pretty expensive, but the end result is really perfect.
The white one is standard ABS, it turned out very well, but the quality is lower. Also the stem inside looks a bit brittle. Anyway they both work.
The problem is that each material shrinks differently during the curing time. So I would need to make two slightly different 3D models based on material.
Also, to lower 3D print cost I could try to reduce the amount of plastic adding some hollow spots. That might help with pricing, but a new prototype would need to be done.
I'll try to shoot a video if I get some time.
I'm ordering 2 Frosted Ultra Detail, 1 White Detail, and 1 White Strong & Flexible. Will report back. Thanks for your work!
The good news is that if they don't work, they don't by a whisker, so nothing some sanding paper couldn't solve.
Anyways, I'm very excited to test this out. There's a particularly dark lord who has been saddened by lack of use.
Finally, thank you very much for all of the time, effort, and money (which I now realize is not an inconsiderable amount) that you've invested in these!
I've made the slider public on Shapeways.
PLEASE NOTE, that the current version is still beta. Order at your own risk!
I made the barrel slightly bigger and the feet a bit wider, so there's a small chance to get an incompatible slider (!!!!).
Anyway if you want to help this is the link
https://www.shapeways.com/model/1768885/topre-to-mx-slider-v1-0b.html
I don't know why the price to the "public" is higher than the one I see on my store backoffice, but just by a small amount (few cents). I'll double check that. I'm not making a margin on this.
The best material (and most expensive) is Frosted Ultra Detail (Frosted Detail should be also ok). I printed a version in White Strong & Flexible Polished which is way cheaper, it seems to work but quality is way lower and it seems a bit more fragile. I haven't tried the White Detail material, which I guess is halfway between the frosted and the white strong & flexible.
If you want to help me debug the slider, take one or two and post your comments and suggestions. But --again-- it is not guaranteed to work!
I'm debating between getting a HHKB pro 2 and these stems or waiting on the CM NovaTouch TKL. I really love the aesthetic of the HHKB. Any word of advice from some Topre veterans on which direction I should go? Thanks!
I'm debating between getting a HHKB pro 2 and these stems or waiting on the CM NovaTouch TKL. I really love the aesthetic of the HHKB. Any word of advice from some Topre veterans on which direction I should go? Thanks!
we can't give you a feedback about the Novatouch because it's not out yet. I'm actually a CM beta tester and I'm using the novatouch since a couple of days, but I'm under NDA and I can't say a thing :P
I'm debating between getting a HHKB pro 2 and these stems or waiting on the CM NovaTouch TKL. I really love the aesthetic of the HHKB. Any word of advice from some Topre veterans on which direction I should go? Thanks!
we can't give you a feedback about the Novatouch because it's not out yet. I'm actually a CM beta tester and I'm using the novatouch since a couple of days, but I'm under NDA and I can't say a thing :P
the low quality material seems to work just fine, but it's impossible to have one model that 100% works on all materials.
I'd really like to see the slider in "White Detail" material, that could be a nice compromise.
I'm debating between getting a HHKB pro 2 and these stems or waiting on the CM NovaTouch TKL. I really love the aesthetic of the HHKB. Any word of advice from some Topre veterans on which direction I should go? Thanks!
we can't give you a feedback about the Novatouch because it's not out yet. I'm actually a CM beta tester and I'm using the novatouch since a couple of days, but I'm under NDA and I can't say a thing :P
I'm debating between getting a HHKB pro 2 and these stems or waiting on the CM NovaTouch TKL. I really love the aesthetic of the HHKB. Any word of advice from some Topre veterans on which direction I should go? Thanks!
we can't give you a feedback about the Novatouch because it's not out yet. I'm actually a CM beta tester and I'm using the novatouch since a couple of days, but I'm under NDA and I can't say a thing :P
Really interested to see how we can bring the price of this down for a full HHKB loadout.
Really interested to see how we can bring the price of this down for a full HHKB loadout.
I'm debating between getting a HHKB pro 2 and these stems or waiting on the CM NovaTouch TKL. I really love the aesthetic of the HHKB. Any word of advice from some Topre veterans on which direction I should go? Thanks!
we can't give you a feedback about the Novatouch because it's not out yet. I'm actually a CM beta tester and I'm using the novatouch since a couple of days, but I'm under NDA and I can't say a thing :P
I'm debating between getting a HHKB pro 2 and these stems or waiting on the CM NovaTouch TKL. I really love the aesthetic of the HHKB. Any word of advice from some Topre veterans on which direction I should go? Thanks!
we can't give you a feedback about the Novatouch because it's not out yet. I'm actually a CM beta tester and I'm using the novatouch since a couple of days, but I'm under NDA and I can't say a thing :P
*tinfoil hat* CM is not giving you a NovaTouch to silence your efforts to bring the world Topre/MX sliders right? :eek:
I'm debating between getting a HHKB pro 2 and these stems or waiting on the CM NovaTouch TKL. I really love the aesthetic of the HHKB. Any word of advice from some Topre veterans on which direction I should go? Thanks!
we can't give you a feedback about the Novatouch because it's not out yet. I'm actually a CM beta tester and I'm using the novatouch since a couple of days, but I'm under NDA and I can't say a thing :P
*tinfoil hat* CM is not giving you a NovaTouch to silence your efforts to bring the world Topre/MX sliders right? :eek:
Matt's mod is better for people who already have Topre boards, while the Novatouch is more of a intro-to-Topre board if you ask me. I don't think they're completely competing markets.
Ugh, I want to order some right now, but the $20 shipping to Singapore really kills it for me..
Ugh, I want to order some right now, but the $20 shipping to Singapore really kills it for me..
Dang! spendy.. just order the high detail one for your Esc key. :)
I'm debating between getting a HHKB pro 2 and these stems or waiting on the CM NovaTouch TKL. I really love the aesthetic of the HHKB. Any word of advice from some Topre veterans on which direction I should go? Thanks!
we can't give you a feedback about the Novatouch because it's not out yet. I'm actually a CM beta tester and I'm using the novatouch since a couple of days, but I'm under NDA and I can't say a thing :P
Haha,
I hope you have proof that you started these stem concepts before being handed a demo unit to play with ;D
I'm debating between getting a HHKB pro 2 and these stems or waiting on the CM NovaTouch TKL. I really love the aesthetic of the HHKB. Any word of advice from some Topre veterans on which direction I should go? Thanks!
we can't give you a feedback about the Novatouch because it's not out yet. I'm actually a CM beta tester and I'm using the novatouch since a couple of days, but I'm under NDA and I can't say a thing :P
Ooh that's cool! :eek:
We can't get any pictures either? :p
Really interested to see how we can bring the price of this down for a full HHKB loadout.
I was asking around on IRC yesterday about this. What are the profiles of HHKB and Realforce keycaps? And are there any existing MX sets from previous or current group buys that could be used with RF sets? I would love to use the CMYW GMK modifiers on a black RF 87U but I'm assuming the profiles won't match? I guess the 6u HHKB and RF spacebars will probably be an issue :/
I'm debating between getting a HHKB pro 2 and these stems or waiting on the CM NovaTouch TKL. I really love the aesthetic of the HHKB. Any word of advice from some Topre veterans on which direction I should go? Thanks!
we can't give you a feedback about the Novatouch because it's not out yet. I'm actually a CM beta tester and I'm using the novatouch since a couple of days, but I'm under NDA and I can't say a thing :P
*tinfoil hat* CM is not giving you a NovaTouch to silence your efforts to bring the world Topre/MX sliders right? :eek:
It should be possible to cut production cost on shapeways by combining multiple sliders. Looking forward to your feedback, if you confirm that everything is working properly we can try to reduce production costs.
It should be possible to cut production cost on shapeways by combining multiple sliders. Looking forward to your feedback, if you confirm that everything is working properly we can try to reduce production costs.
Could you, for instance, combine an entire HHKB's worth of sliders into a single print by connecting them with very small filaments? And when you receive them, snap them apart and sand away any sprue marks.
It should be possible to cut production cost on shapeways by combining multiple sliders. Looking forward to your feedback, if you confirm that everything is working properly we can try to reduce production costs.
Could you, for instance, combine an entire HHKB's worth of sliders into a single print by connecting them with very small filaments? And when you receive them, snap them apart and sand away any sprue marks.
yes exactly.
We still miss the stabilized keys, but we could run a batch of 10 or 20 sliders all together.
Do you have a good sense of how far down we could get the cost? $1/slider seems like the optimal price-point – I could easily imagine spending $60 to be able to outfit my HHKB. Even $1.50/slider would be doable, but far above that would get pretty painful.
It also might make sense to assume that White Detail is fine as a material when doing these cost estimates since your experience seems to indicate that they will be fine.
I just hope the last iteration of the slider works :)
Matt, did you by chance ever figure out a way to easily replace the HHKB sliders?
Matt, did you by chance ever figure out a way to easily replace the HHKB sliders?
Push the slider from top applying a small pressure in the spot just over the dent. I use the back of a screw driver that is rubberized. The dent gets slightly smoothed, but it still works.
Matt, did you by chance ever figure out a way to easily replace the HHKB sliders?
Push the slider from top applying a small pressure in the spot just over the dent. I use the back of a screw driver that is rubberized. The dent gets slightly smoothed, but it still works.
Matt, did you by chance ever figure out a way to easily replace the HHKB sliders?
Push the slider from top applying a small pressure in the spot just over the dent. I use the back of a screw driver that is rubberized. The dent gets slightly smoothed, but it still works.
Glad the screw driver method worked for you too! :)
yes, sorry, forgot to mention. that's dustinhxc's idea.
I ordered four and they're all pending. The estimated ship date is Wednesday for me.
YES!
First sample arrived to user osxoep who posted some pictures (http://deskthority.net/workshop-f7/topre-sliders-mx-caps-t7437-60.html#p152779) on DTShow Image(http://i.imgur.com/sFogJ3f.png)Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/e749tHu.png)
Is the plan to eventually start mass producing these? A full set is looking mighty expensive...
Is the plan to eventually start mass producing these? A full set is looking mighty expensive...
Is the plan to eventually start mass producing these? A full set is looking mighty expensive...
Well Thorpe users are used to shelling out a lot of money on things :P
Is the plan to eventually start mass producing these? A full set is looking mighty expensive...
Well Thorpe users are used to shelling out a lot of money on things :P
A full 87U set of the Frosted Ultra Detail would cost just shy of $600. That.... is ridiculous, even for Topre owners.
Would it be possible, perhaps, to take a rubber dome keyboard that has MX compatible stems (Gateway Anykey, Tandon Me 101) or other switches with MX compatible stems (where the slider is held by the switch TOP, like Futaba Clicky or Maxi) and make a new top plate from them to press the Topre domes?
Most likely cheaper than 3D printing.
Or we can wait for the Coolermaster Novatouch to come out and harvest the sliders from that.
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wwwwwwwwwwoooooooooooOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!
:thumb:
let us know how it works outWill do!
To add to what Smasher816 said; if you're worried about the clips just remember to separate the two parts by opening the case like a book. Don't try to pull it apart.
thanks for the report.
what do you mean that is not as smooth as the original? Have you tried to sand the side of the feet a little?
thanks for the report.
what do you mean that is not as smooth as the original? Have you tried to sand the side of the feet a little?
Yeah I did sand the sides of the feet so it would go in properly, but for some reason the keypress feels a bit less tactile and a bit more mushy. Now that I think of it, maybe I didn't line up the dome correctly during assembly?
I'll probably hack it open soon again as I ordered some more sliders ^^
n00b question.. which keycap sets are you using that match the HHKB profile for its Fn and arrow keys? Or I guess all the keys.The reddit key above is a cherry profile R4. It is a tiny bit lower than the rest, but you can barely notice it. OEM R4 doesn't really work as it is much higher.
I'll try to work on the new grouped 3D model these days. I talked with SP about feasibility and I'm waiting for a quote.ooo thanks Matt3o, so excited for this
riotonthebay, stuff can happen I guess :) . Some people might just be opening it like a book, but using force or something *shrug*.
I sanded one white slider, and installed the violet one too for testing purposes. Seems to be working well enough for being 3D printed :) .
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Be careful when switching caps everyone. I tried a SP doubleshot and pulled it off like I always do:
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Pink AND Purple?riotonthebay, stuff can happen I guess :) . Some people might just be opening it like a book, but using force or something *shrug*.
I sanded one white slider, and installed the violet one too for testing purposes. Seems to be working well enough for being 3D printed :) .
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Be careful when switching caps everyone. I tried a SP doubleshot and pulled it off like I always do:
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The only reason I got these, for my v1s. Glissant beat me to it ;) stoked to add my pink and purple mx sliders!
I'm a keyboard noob so if there a video on how to take apart the HHKB especially avoiding breaking the front tab and installing the stem? I mean, there's description a few posts up but nothing beats a video.Unfortunately I did not make a video and could also not find one. However, it is much easier than expected. Remove 3 screws on the back and you can open the board like a book. After that, just remove the ~15 screws on the PCB and you can replace the sliders.
I'm a keyboard noob so if there a video on how to take apart the HHKB especially avoiding breaking the front tab and installing the stem? I mean, there's description a few posts up but nothing beats a video.
Pink AND Purple?riotonthebay, stuff can happen I guess :) . Some people might just be opening it like a book, but using force or something *shrug*.
I sanded one white slider, and installed the violet one too for testing purposes. Seems to be working well enough for being 3D printed :) .
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Be careful when switching caps everyone. I tried a SP doubleshot and pulled it off like I always do:
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The only reason I got these, for my v1s. Glissant beat me to it ;) stoked to add my pink and purple mx sliders!Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/1aCBAnH.gif)
not yet, I'll try to nag them Monday.Thank you. You are the best :thumb:
Ok. Newb question.
Will MX compatible caps work with a hhkb with these stems? What I mean is, will the bigger keys (spacebar, shift, enter, etc) line up correctly where the support stems are?
No words from SP yet?
hopefully soon, thanks matt3o!Ok. Newb question.
Will MX compatible caps work with a hhkb with these stems? What I mean is, will the bigger keys (spacebar, shift, enter, etc) line up correctly where the support stems are?
stabilized keys are not yet supported... if that is what you are askingNo words from SP yet?
not yet, but I have a backup solution. stay tuned.
So has anyone tried out white strong and flexible?I dont think that's worth, If I had that much to spend just for these sliders I would just wait until novatouch and take sliders from that. At least you get anther board out of it. Anyway let us know how that white strong and flxeible is when you get it.
If these are strong enough, a full hhkb would be about 150 USD. (WORTH)
If nobody knows, mine are coming in before the 22nd and I'll keep you updated! :)
Right so today I received at least one of each material.
The ultra frosted detail feels by far stronger and more polished than the others. It actually feels like plastic.
The red, purple and pink all feel really brittle and dry. The also have the lined textured as you might expect from a 3D printed design.
The white strong and flexible feels like a mix of the above.
I'll install them soon.Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/SzZcI4L.jpg)
I'll install a couple of sliders this weekend and if I can get a hold of my AV buddy I'll be able to record a video of it.
Otherwise I could record a video with my iPhone but I'm worried the quality will be crap.
Okie doke.. With the site being down tonight it gave me motivation to put my sliders in finally!!!!! I used 6 strong & flexible. 5 Purple, 1 Pink. I had to sand them around the middle cylinder and the sides of the legs. Also I put krytox lube on the legs and in the slider housing 2 grooves for each. They feel great since the spring and dome does most the work anyways. I just need to find the right profile keys now.. At the moment Im using my Cherry Profile from my Cyrillic set. But here are some fun shots I did to try them, potato shots!! >.<Show Image(http://i58.tinypic.com/bf3us8.jpg)Show Image(http://i60.tinypic.com/15f3yhu.jpg)Show Image(http://i60.tinypic.com/w86rfl.jpg)Show Image(http://i58.tinypic.com/2el5opx.jpg)
:cool:
Stoked to find some grey 1.25 that fit good... :thumb:
Okie doke.. With the site being down tonight it gave me motivation to put my sliders in finally!!!!! I used 6 strong & flexible. 5 Purple, 1 Pink. I had to sand them around the middle cylinder and the sides of the legs. Also I put krytox lube on the legs and in the slider housing 2 grooves for each. They feel great since the spring and dome does most the work anyways. I just need to find the right profile keys now.. At the moment Im using my Cherry Profile from my Cyrillic set. But here are some fun shots I did to try them, potato shots!! >.<Show Image(http://i58.tinypic.com/bf3us8.jpg)Show Image(http://i60.tinypic.com/15f3yhu.jpg)Show Image(http://i60.tinypic.com/w86rfl.jpg)Show Image(http://i58.tinypic.com/2el5opx.jpg)
:cool:
Stoked to find some grey 1.25 that fit good... :thumb:
That's awesome :thumb:
Hopefully I can get a FC660C pretty soon. You should make some videos on how to put these in.
Thank You! :) Only downfall is they sit a tad higher. If the spacebar was swappable Id do my arrows and spacebar so the entire row 1 was the same height. Oh well! Looks great besides that.
Thank You! :) Only downfall is they sit a tad higher. If the spacebar was swappable Id do my arrows and spacebar so the entire row 1 was the same height. Oh well! Looks great besides that.
do you feel they are too high? I didn't want the caps to hit the housing, otherwise you'd need an o-ring I guess
I tried contacting some manufactures with no success.
I'll be checking with bunny today, a while back he told me he maybe can produce them in China.
yeah they would fit. any mx cap fits :)Awesome, thank you :thumb:
yeah the problem is that to lower the price to say 0.10 or less I have to produce at least 20k sliders :)
anyway I sent another quote request.
getting to 20k doesn't honestly seem like it would be completely impossible. the average order would be around 100? thats 200 orders. i wonder how many of the hhkb/topre fanatics on the board would cough up. given the demand for topre keycaps in the classifieds, seems like theres a market.
getting to 20k doesn't honestly seem like it would be completely impossible. the average order would be around 100? thats 200 orders. i wonder how many of the hhkb/topre fanatics on the board would cough up. given the demand for topre keycaps in the classifieds, seems like theres a market.
ok, hold on just a sec. we are talking about the 1u slider here.Those darn modifiers! What's the diff with them anyway? Smaller sliders?
for a complete keyboard you need the modifiers as well.
anyway one step at the time :)
ok, hold on just a sec. we are talking about the 1u slider here.
for a complete keyboard you need the modifiers as well.
anyway one step at the time :)
ok, hold on just a sec. we are talking about the 1u slider here.
while 1u sliders can easily reach high tiers, it's more difficult with the stabilized keys. the proportion is 70:1 (give or take), so the stabs would be pretty expensive. That being said, if a complete set costs half of a novatouch I'm still in :)
How are you making these now? They look like really nicely 3d printed parts, but they could also be a mold....
They are 3D printed in what Shapeways call Ultra Frosted Detail I believe.
Wow, they look REALLY good. I just must be used to 3d printers with really low resolution/prototype speeds.
aka FDM printers. There are better technologies and brands out there ;D
Sadly, in order to make these truly affordable molds will have to be made. The upside is that the fixed costs in the mold can be spread on what I assume could be hundreds of sets á 100pcs/set. Cooler Master won't be very happy though.
I believe the Novatouch is finally in production... May be a while before they start hitting shelves yet, though.The novatouch will never have the build quality of something such as a hhkb or a realforce, But mx caps on topre sliders is insane!
Why is that? Have you tried a novatouch to compare?I believe the Novatouch is finally in production... May be a while before they start hitting shelves yet, though.The novatouch will never have the build quality of something such as a hhkb or a realforce, But mx caps on topre sliders is insane!
No because its cooler master!Why is that? Have you tried a novatouch to compare?I believe the Novatouch is finally in production... May be a while before they start hitting shelves yet, though.The novatouch will never have the build quality of something such as a hhkb or a realforce, But mx caps on topre sliders is insane!
No because its cooler master!Why is that? Have you tried a novatouch to compare?I believe the Novatouch is finally in production... May be a while before they start hitting shelves yet, though.The novatouch will never have the build quality of something such as a hhkb or a realforce, But mx caps on topre sliders is insane!
No because its cooler master!Why is that? Have you tried a novatouch to compare?I believe the Novatouch is finally in production... May be a while before they start hitting shelves yet, though.The novatouch will never have the build quality of something such as a hhkb or a realforce, But mx caps on topre sliders is insane!
To be fair, Cooler master has put out some great products. Their Costar made keyboards ticked all the boxes in terms of quality at their price point.
But unless their novatouch will be significantly less expensive than the Realforces (which are around $200 now), I would guess that a large number of people would still rather get that instead.
As long as it has that rubber coating I'll never consider it anything but a slider donor.
As long as it has that rubber coating I'll never consider it anything but a slider donor.
As long as it has that rubber coating I'll never consider it anything but a slider donor.
CM supposedly decided to not use the rubber coating on the final version of the Novatouch case.
I pray to god that is true.
As long as it has that rubber coating I'll never consider it anything but a slider donor.
CM supposedly decided to not use the rubber coating on the final version of the Novatouch case.
I pray to god that is true.
As long as it has that rubber coating I'll never consider it anything but a slider donor.
CM supposedly decided to not use the rubber coating on the final version of the Novatouch case.
I pray to god that is true.
I'm sorry but this is not true. They used a thinner layer, but it's still rubber coated.
I participated in the beta test and told them to get rid of it, but they really like it. The average user (not the enthusiast) is like "oooh kewl, it feels like velvet!"
Shouldn't be to difficult to sand down and paint. How is the actual MX cap to topre slider project coming along?
According to this thread http://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=61075.0 (http://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=61075.0)
The OP said this at the bottom of the first post. "According to CM Taiwan, the retail version of Novatouch uses UV coating, not rubber coating. Cheers!"
So I'm all confused. Looks like we won't know for sure until someone buys a retail version and posts a review here on GH.
@mat, kickstarter style investment for us?
I honestly don't mind if the project really comes through. My realforce is in slight neglect right now...
The only thing the Novatouch has going for it as a selling point is the MX stems. Past that, it's nothing we haven't seen before. Unless it comes out with programable layers, it's a realforce with MX sliders.
Shouldn't be to difficult to sand down and paint. How is the actual MX cap to topre slider project coming along?
I couldn't make 10k sliders but for small batches it would be possible.
How are things progressing with this project? I honestly only need one of these for my mx brobot
I already have the type-s version.
only problem is production cost :)
next week I'll get some POM and try to CNC the stems. If it works out I could probably make small batches of 100 at a time.
Here they are. It took me some time to refine them and they still need some very small updates... but THEY WORK!Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/NpslyKj.jpg)
If I can find a way to mass produce we could set up a group buy, otherwise I will simply mold them in epoxy resin and take them for myself :D
What are you, a witch or something?!?!?
Nice work mate, I would be willing to put down money to make a mold and get these things made. I wonder if SP could help us?
They don't compare! The rubber dome on topre are what make them superior to any cherry mx switch!Here they are. It took me some time to refine them and they still need some very small updates... but THEY WORK!Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/NpslyKj.jpg)
If I can find a way to mass produce we could set up a group buy, otherwise I will simply mold them in epoxy resin and take them for myself :D
What are you, a witch or something?!?!?
Nice work mate, I would be willing to put down money to make a mold and get these things made. I wonder if SP could help us?
My programing instructor taught me that anything you cannot explain is basically magic ^_^
This is an amazing idea which will change how people think about topre even more so. Btw how does lubed browns/clears compare to topre switches?
Here they are. It took me some time to refine them and they still need some very small updates... but THEY WORK!Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/NpslyKj.jpg)
If I can find a way to mass produce we could set up a group buy, otherwise I will simply mold them in epoxy resin and take them for myself :D
i wonder if theres anything new mat3o can tell us
Can anyone confirm that you can switch out the stems in the novatouch with a hhkb? Just wondering :)Apparently so, if you are careful. Take a look at this post on reddit:
Hey Mat3o, how well does the v2.0 work? I am thinking about ordering a few to get my MX bros and a reaper to work..
Hey Mat3o, how well does the v2.0 work? I am thinking about ordering a few to get my MX bros and a reaper to work..
I think you can't put Bros on these unless you want to carve up the stem because of how they are shaped (Bro stems).
Hey Mat3o, how well does the v2.0 work? I am thinking about ordering a few to get my MX bros and a reaper to work..
I think you can't put Bros on these unless you want to carve up the stem because of how they are shaped (Bro stems).
Hey Mat3o, how well does the v2.0 work? I am thinking about ordering a few to get my MX bros and a reaper to work..
I think you can't put Bros on these unless you want to carve up the stem because of how they are shaped (Bro stems).
This is true. Square peg does not fit in round hole.
Hey Mat3o, how well does the v2.0 work? I am thinking about ordering a few to get my MX bros and a reaper to work..
I think you can't put Bros on these unless you want to carve up the stem because of how they are shaped (Bro stems).
This is true. Square peg does not fit in round hole.
Hey Mat3o, how well does the v2.0 work? I am thinking about ordering a few to get my MX bros and a reaper to work..
I think you can't put Bros on these unless you want to carve up the stem because of how they are shaped (Bro stems).
This is true. Square peg does not fit in round hole.
Sounds like you need a bigger hammer.
Hey Mat3o, how well does the v2.0 work? I am thinking about ordering a few to get my MX bros and a reaper to work..
I think you can't put Bros on these unless you want to carve up the stem because of how they are shaped (Bro stems).
This is true. Square peg does not fit in round hole.
Sounds like you need a bigger hammer.
My god...I cringed just thinking about putting a hammer to one of my bros...
Hey Mat3o, how well does the v2.0 work? I am thinking about ordering a few to get my MX bros and a reaper to work..
I think you can't put Bros on these unless you want to carve up the stem because of how they are shaped (Bro stems).
yeah many have tried it already. It's 99% working. It just need to be a 0.1mm shorter, but it still works
I found a way to make them cheaper, stay tuned!Excited!
I found a way to make them cheaper, stay tuned!
I found a way to make them cheaper, stay tuned!We hope in Europe... :(
I found a way to make them cheaper, stay tuned!
I found a way to make them cheaper, stay tuned!Antenna deployed, awaiting transmission....
Posting here to get updates!I found a way to make them cheaper, stay tuned!Antenna deployed, awaiting transmission....
Nice, will you do Type-S too?
Nice, will you do Type-S too?
yeah, no reason not to :)
But isn't €3 per slider still more expensive than harvesting a Novatouch?
There must be a way to cast them in larger batches!
Would it be possible to use these just for the space bar since that is the only part we can't harvest from a novatouch without leaving the novatouch with a broken space bar.
HHKB possible?There must be a way to cast them in larger batches!
yeah, I could make a mold and resin-cast them... not sure how they would come out thoughWould it be possible to use these just for the space bar since that is the only part we can't harvest from a novatouch without leaving the novatouch with a broken space bar.
what keyboard do you want to cover?
HhkbThere must be a way to cast them in larger batches!
yeah, I could make a mold and resin-cast them... not sure how they would come out thoughWould it be possible to use these just for the space bar since that is the only part we can't harvest from a novatouch without leaving the novatouch with a broken space bar.
what keyboard do you want to cover?
I found a way to make them cheaper, stay tuned!
doesn't the HHKB spacebar have weird stem position?
I would definitely need a vacuum chamber for home-made sliders. They are really too small, you risk to throw away half of them otherwise. Any idea where I can find one at a decent pricing?
Hey guys, do you have any updates for this? Just bought myself a Type-S, so now I'm stuck in Topre-keys-territory. This would be a great solution. :)Ctrlalt in partnership with JTkeycaps will be releasing sliders soon.
Hey guys, do you have any updates for this? Just bought myself a Type-S, so now I'm stuck in Topre-keys-territory. This would be a great solution. :)Ctrlalt in partnership with JTkeycaps will be releasing sliders soon.
They recently had a group buy for them along with key caps.
I'll work on it, promised :)WhiteFox?
I simply have too much meat on my plate right now :) Let me finish the WhiteFox and I'll work back on this
I'll work on it, promised :)WhiteFox?
I simply have too much meat on my plate right now :) Let me finish the WhiteFox and I'll work back on this
I'll work on it, promised :)
I simply have too much meat on my plate right now :) Let me finish the WhiteFox and I'll work back on this