Post by: janglad on Sun, 01 July 2018, 20:16:22
Hey guys!
So after more than a year of working together with John/Heroyjenkins we're both super proud to finally present you with the M0110 GB. Manufactured in LA, this board is made from 2 solid blocks of US aluminium and perfected with some amazing surface finishes! Scroll down for more info :thumb:
The idea
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Like the name suggests, Modern M0110 is based on the legendary 1984 M0110 but with a modern enthusiast-focused twist. The OG M0110 is where it all started. Steve Jobs originally designed the this keyboard by hand to be sold with the first Macintosh in 1984, which on its own set out to change the world. Jobs famously chose not to use a nav cluster, which many years later inspired Eiiti Wada to design the now legendary Happy Hacking Keyboard. The HHKB not only grew a huge following within the community, it also pushed many enthusiasts to create customs boards like the Duck Viper. In short, no keyboard has a history like this one.
The case
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Modern M0110 keeps the original iconic curves but adds some modern luxury. It supports standard 60% PCBs, support for both MX and ALPS switches and has a precision lasered top mounted brass or acrylic plate for the ultimate (fixed HHKB is in the works ;) ). For Modern M0110 we proudly offer 2 surface finishes. Anodising is the smooth finish we have come to love on aluminium in the past years and will be available in a clean Silver or stealthy Grey. Cerakote is a different story, it is a very high-end finish used most on firearms for its incredible durability. We will be offering Cerakote in a classy and vintage Light Sand or a versatile Dynamic Black. Furthermore, for those who want it we will also be able to offer the entirety of the colours in Cerakote's H series line! This will allow you to find the perfect match for your favourite keyset to make this board truly next level, never has a keyboard GB had this many colour options!
The extras
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Just a couple cool extra bits here if you're not completely hyped out yet :D. If you're familiar with the original Macintosh packaging you'll sure appreciate the box Modern M0110 comes in! Designed by the talented Garrett from Dixiemech, this box gives off a stunning vintage vibe while also offering great protection during shipping because of the custom foam inserts.
We are also offering custom engraving and are allowing people to reserve serial numbers, to make this board truly your own! Furthermore, there will also be a lot of complimentary items for sale along with M0110. These range from a USB C 60% PCB, foam inserts to dampen sound, a wide range of switches to a custom Cherry Profile ALPS keyset!
The vendors
M0110 will be distributed by some amazing vendors. Check em out below! :)
- US https://www.deskcandy.xyz/group-buy/
- Europe https://mykeyboard.eu/catalogue/category/group-buys/modern-m0110-custom-engraving_88/
- China https://www.zfrontier.com/m/3916
Some more pictures
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(https://static1.squarespace.com/static/5a093692f14aa13ff15444b5/5b2ca1c38a922df6081e7a6e/5b33523e03ce64de32a4a3c4/1530090114567/iMacpro.png?format=2500w)
(https://static1.squarespace.com/static/5a093692f14aa13ff15444b5/5b2ca1c38a922df6081e7a6e/5b31f74d1ae6cfa806a7d585/1530089963143/Deskmat.jpg?format=2500w)
(https://static1.squarespace.com/static/5a093692f14aa13ff15444b5/5b2ca1c38a922df6081e7a6e/5b334487352f535c7e81eb69/1530086697104/M0110_Rev_2_v40_v62_2018-Jun-04_07-58-14PM-000_CustomizedView6836487166_png.jpg?format=1500w)
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FAQ
Does the keyboard include a PCB? No, we didn't find forcing a PCB a good option considering what a wide variety of 60% PCBs is already out there. Some people want ALPS compatibility and will get ours, but some want per key RGB and get a Zeal60,...
How long will the GB be open? Until the 22nd of July!
How much does the board weigh? About 3.5kg unbuilt ;)
Why is the EU pricing so much higher than the US pricing? To put it short, it's a combination of expensive shipping from our manufacturer to the vendor and 21% revenue tax in the EU. We really wish we could get EU pricing lower, but sadly we already cut profit as far down as we could. If you think ordering from the US will be cheaper, feel free to hit up Deskcandy for quotes however we are not responsible for any import tax.
Post by: Photoelectric on Mon, 02 July 2018, 14:50:32
For any potential group buy participants, please read through this post: https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=36773.0
Post by: portbaron on Mon, 02 July 2018, 17:35:50
Post by: befbef on Mon, 02 July 2018, 17:59:48
Post by: DJ Shoko on Tue, 03 July 2018, 03:39:58
Post by: janglad on Wed, 04 July 2018, 08:00:23
Won't the foam be available at mykeyboard.eu?
John and David are working on adding that right now!
Post by: janglad on Wed, 04 July 2018, 08:01:18
Need to convince myself I don't need more than one.
Get one in every colour, you can always sell the ones you don't use ;D ;D
Post by: janglad on Wed, 04 July 2018, 08:02:54
Oh my god it looks so nice, a part of me tells me I want it, another part of me is telling me I need an 1800 layout board tho still and a third part of me tells me to save that money instead. Btw thanks for the renders for GMK Shoko Janglad! Feel free to use them to promote the Modern M0110 if you want.
Thanks ;) Shared the set on my Insta! :thumb: https://www.instagram.com/p/Bkz0SUqj6SS/?taken-by=janglad_
Post by: beekey on Wed, 04 July 2018, 14:06:04
The current layouts are just not for me.
Post by: janglad on Wed, 04 July 2018, 17:49:39
Will the plate design be availble? Would love to have a split space layout plate.
The current layouts are just not for me.
You can download the plate design here! https://github.com/deskcandy/modern-m0110
Post by: beekey on Thu, 05 July 2018, 05:46:33
Wow, thank you. Now I need to go back to my fight with the wallet. ;)Will the plate design be availble? Would love to have a split space layout plate.
The current layouts are just not for me.
You can download the plate design here! https://github.com/deskcandy/modern-m0110
Post by: dead_pixel_design on Fri, 06 July 2018, 21:19:34
Post by: pvd on Fri, 06 July 2018, 23:52:44
Post by: meniscus- on Sat, 07 July 2018, 19:31:15
Post by: janglad on Sun, 08 July 2018, 06:07:35
If anyone needs help with a .ai file for a custom engraving PM me and I can help design and create the file.
That's really awesome from you man. Big thumbs up! :thumb:
Post by: janglad on Sun, 08 July 2018, 06:07:57
No doubt this is answered somewhere, but what’s the angle on the board? 8 degrees?
It has a 7 degree angle :)
Post by: janglad on Sun, 08 July 2018, 06:13:52
The sample Huey (TopClack) got was had a bad cerakote job. Any work on whether that has been fixed?
Yup, we have been listening closely to Huey's feedback closely. The 2 main issues were the really bad plate and the uneven Cerakote.
We already fixed the plate, which Huey now has in hand!
Here's a picture of the new plate:
(https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/359501871783870474/464846433087127552/iZRkqR6Qf425I7xwAbLxtuGi6i08RwTRUUt8AdLaq3lwUJX2tDNVLx3O7De5wkvFyP_-IRxq1hHUgUJotVElo-01784XO-yfBTuI.png?width=1190&height=893)
VS the old one (notice almost no lines were straight, new one is a huge improvement!)
(https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/359501871783870474/464846617267142705/Schermafbeelding_2018-07-06_om_19.31.05.png?width=1184&height=893)
As for the Cerakote, we're looking into that right now. We're 99% sure the unevenness was caused because it was Cerakoted twice and under rushed circumstances, however, we don't want to take any risks. John is already moving forward with our CNC manufacturer to get a couple boards done in advance, we will get these Cerakoted and basically use them as final prototypes to perfect the finish and confirm that there are no issues left! I will update here once we get to that phase for sure! :)
Post by: befbef on Sun, 08 July 2018, 06:55:27
Post by: janglad on Sun, 08 July 2018, 07:57:39
Is there a gallery of all renders you made for this board? Need some color/keycap inspiration.
Just put this together ;) https://imgur.com/a/rrQpaZj
Post by: befbef on Sun, 08 July 2018, 09:06:11
Post by: Puddsy on Sun, 08 July 2018, 09:08:53
Thank you very much. What is that SA set on the 6th image?
calm depths
Post by: befbef on Sun, 08 July 2018, 09:16:20
Post by: janglad on Sun, 08 July 2018, 09:24:11
No, I mean this one: https://i.imgur.com/lxPXKbG.jpg
SA Fortune by /u/guess_whos_black :)
Post by: befbef on Sun, 08 July 2018, 09:51:55
Post by: janglad on Sun, 08 July 2018, 11:24:15
Ah yes, I remember. What a nice combo. Will there be a gb or why did you make that render?
The creator asked me to do a render for a IC, I'm not sure what the current status is of the project. I really like the set too!
Post by: child on Sun, 08 July 2018, 11:25:02
Post by: TheNamesTy45 on Sun, 08 July 2018, 11:40:13
Post by: beekey on Sun, 08 July 2018, 15:04:27
No, I mean this one: https://i.imgur.com/lxPXKbG.jpg
SA Fortune by /u/guess_whos_black :)
The case color in the 6th render is not the grey anodized version, right? This would be a custom cerakote colour?
Post by: compileme on Sun, 08 July 2018, 20:32:56
Post by: eyedrop on Sun, 08 July 2018, 20:38:48
Can I ask a stupid question? What does "no switch top removal" mean in the fixed HHKB plate option?
Switch top removal means you can remove the top of the switch to swap out springs and add LED if you want to do that after soldering the switches.
Without switch top removal, you would need to desolder the switch to make the change.
Post by: janglad on Mon, 09 July 2018, 06:55:02
Can I ask a stupid question? What does "no switch top removal" mean in the fixed HHKB plate option?
Switch top removal means you can remove the top of the switch to swap out springs and add LED if you want to do that after soldering the switches.
Without switch top removal, you would need to desolder the switch to make the change.
Yup! Altho you can still add LEDs later on a plate without switch top removal, right? Just slide em in from the top? :)
Post by: janglad on Mon, 09 July 2018, 06:56:41
No, I mean this one: https://i.imgur.com/lxPXKbG.jpg
SA Fortune by /u/guess_whos_black :)
The case color in the 6th render is not the grey anodized version, right? This would be a custom cerakote colour?
Yeah, that render was made before we finalised colour options. The grey will be as close as possible to the this/the iPhone 5 "space gray"
(https://i.imgur.com/B8TwMBz.jpg)
Post by: LVNDSCAPE on Thu, 12 July 2018, 08:08:29
Will the units be still be produced if it is less than MOQ?
Can't decide on which cerakote color I should get.
Post by: eyedrop on Thu, 12 July 2018, 08:09:50
Is there a MOQ for this GB?
Will the units be still be produced if it is less than MOQ?
Can't decide on which cerakote color I should get.
I don't think there is a MOQ. He'll make as many as people ordered, iirc.
Post by: nulltorious on Thu, 12 July 2018, 08:29:30
Can't decide on which cerakote color I should get.
I went with Stormtrooper White H-297Q :cool:. I don't have a white board in my collection.
Post by: soupymeatballs on Sat, 14 July 2018, 11:47:54
Post by: janglad on Sat, 14 July 2018, 13:10:57
Is there a MOQ for this GB?
Will the units be still be produced if it is less than MOQ?
Can't decide on which cerakote color I should get.
I don't think there is a MOQ. He'll make as many as people ordered, iirc.
There was a MOQ, but we're far past that ;)
Post by: janglad on Sat, 14 July 2018, 13:11:37
Is there an update to the reserved Serial Number list? Would be helpful to know which ones are taken!
I'll ask John, will report back!
Post by: befbef on Sun, 15 July 2018, 17:44:13
Post by: deskcandy on Sun, 15 July 2018, 19:53:56
Is there an update to the reserved Serial Number list? Would be helpful to know which ones are taken!
The spreadsheet on the product listing page (https://www.deskcandy.xyz/group-buy/modern-m0110-serial-number?category=Customization) is up to date as of posting this message :) Thanks!
Post by: dead_pixel_design on Sun, 15 July 2018, 20:55:30
Post by: deskcandy on Mon, 16 July 2018, 00:40:10
When will we get info on the engraving limitations? We are coming up on the submission deadline but can't even make a file yet
There is a description on the listing page of what you can or cannot do, if you have more specific questions let me know:
https://www.deskcandy.xyz/group-buy/modern-m0110-custom-engraving?category=Customization
Post by: dead_pixel_design on Mon, 16 July 2018, 12:13:13
There is a description on the listing page of what you can or cannot do, if you have more specific questions let me know:
https://www.deskcandy.xyz/group-buy/modern-m0110-custom-engraving?category=Customization
Minimum line size is my biggest question, I need to know how fine of detail the engraver can engrave, I have some designs people are requesting that are fairly intricate and I don't want to send them a file that can't be produced. Can we do engraved lines as fine as .3mm?
Post by: mwhy on Mon, 16 July 2018, 13:41:01
Also how much would the shipping to germany be? MyKeyboard sadly does not offer Matias switches or the wrist rest and the stabilizers are much more expensive.
Post by: janglad on Wed, 18 July 2018, 09:22:13
Hi I have a question about the plate. Is it possible to have a "mini" enter and US-like pipe/ backslash? So like splitting a ISO enter in the middle or would that require a custom plate?
Also how much would the shipping to germany be? MyKeyboard sadly does not offer Matias switches or the wrist rest and the stabilizers are much more expensive.
Could you share a picture of the specific layout you mean? As for the shipping, please contact Candykeys for a shipping quote :) Thanks! :thumb:
Post by: mwhy on Wed, 18 July 2018, 11:38:22
Hi I have a question about the plate. Is it possible to have a "mini" enter and US-like pipe/ backslash? So like splitting a ISO enter in the middle or would that require a custom plate?
Also how much would the shipping to germany be? MyKeyboard sadly does not offer Matias switches or the wrist rest and the stabilizers are much more expensive.
Could you share a picture of the specific layout you mean? As for the shipping, please contact Candykeys for a shipping quote :) Thanks! :thumb:
Sure, it's the fifth row from the top in this picture https://www.deskcandy.xyz/group-buy/xd60-v30 and i didn't know candykeys are involved with the project but thanks will do that.
Post by: janglad on Wed, 18 July 2018, 11:50:17
Ooh God, I meant Deskcandy obviously!!! Candykeys are indeed not involved, sorry for the confusion. What a stupid slip up hahaHi I have a question about the plate. Is it possible to have a "mini" enter and US-like pipe/ backslash? So like splitting a ISO enter in the middle or would that require a custom plate?
Also how much would the shipping to germany be? MyKeyboard sadly does not offer Matias switches or the wrist rest and the stabilizers are much more expensive.
Could you share a picture of the specific layout you mean? As for the shipping, please contact Candykeys for a shipping quote :) Thanks! :thumb:
Sure, it's the fifth row from the top in this picture https://www.deskcandy.xyz/group-buy/xd60-v30 and i didn't know candykeys are involved with the project but thanks will do that.
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Post by: janglad on Wed, 18 July 2018, 18:04:38
Hi I have a question about the plate. Is it possible to have a "mini" enter and US-like pipe/ backslash? So like splitting a ISO enter in the middle or would that require a custom plate?
Also how much would the shipping to germany be? MyKeyboard sadly does not offer Matias switches or the wrist rest and the stabilizers are much more expensive.
Could you share a picture of the specific layout you mean? As for the shipping, please contact Candykeys for a shipping quote :) Thanks! :thumb:
Sure, it's the fifth row from the top in this picture https://www.deskcandy.xyz/group-buy/xd60-v30 and i didn't know candykeys are involved with the project but thanks will do that.
Just checked the plate file, and yes that layout should work. Altho I would suggest using a PCB mounted switch for the enter key.
Post by: dantambok on Wed, 18 July 2018, 19:56:18
Post by: nulltorious on Wed, 18 July 2018, 21:18:51
Might be a silly question.. but i’m wondering how many have been ordered so far? (Estimate?) and are there any plans for a 2nd round? :D
On Top Clack, Heroyjenkins mentioned they sold "over 100 so far"
Post by: janglad on Thu, 19 July 2018, 07:12:17
Might be a silly question.. but i’m wondering how many have been ordered so far? (Estimate?) and are there any plans for a 2nd round? :D
On Top Clack, Heroyjenkins mentioned they sold "over 100 so far"
We're not at 100 yet, altho that seems to be right about where we will end in 3 days. As of now, there are no plans for a round 2, since we would like to work on new projects. If there is one, it'll be quite far off in the future for sure.
Post by: otanishock on Thu, 19 July 2018, 11:28:46
Post by: janglad on Thu, 19 July 2018, 11:34:56
Do we have any pic for the dynamic black cerakote finish? I will most likely get that color but I just want to see some kind of render first.
Here's a picture of it on a Glock slide :)
(https://image.ibb.co/n1SURy/MdOmK5S.jpg)
Post by: otanishock on Thu, 19 July 2018, 17:27:14
Post by: YisSerL on Sun, 22 July 2018, 16:50:56
Post by: janglad on Sun, 22 July 2018, 16:52:09
Who should I contact about making changes to an existing order?Whichever vendor you bought it from
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Post by: Starius on Sun, 22 July 2018, 17:14:17
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AaT9O3ZBfa0 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AaT9O3ZBfa0)
Post by: YisSerL on Mon, 23 July 2018, 00:31:12
Who should I contact about making changes to an existing order?Whichever vendor you bought it from
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Emailed deskcandy's gmail address on their contact us page but have yet to hear back. Hope I still can make changes to the order (changing color) after the buy ends in 1.5 hours. :rolleyes:
Post by: ThomasTH on Mon, 23 July 2018, 02:20:52
On that note, any idea about fitting keycaps? I tend to buy a bunch of GMK Terminal with Modifiers, but not sure how close the green will be.
Post by: Darknight00z on Fri, 24 August 2018, 16:27:53
Post by: janglad on Fri, 24 August 2018, 16:31:08
How is manufacturing coming along?
Hey!
Sorry that I haven't given as many updates as I should have here, we have definitely been working hard on this behind the scenes and manufacturing is coming along well! CNC work has been done for more than half of the boards already, I will try to get some pics of that to show everyone here! We're well on schedule for sure, even ahead of things meaning people might be getting their boards early ;)
Post by: dantambok on Fri, 24 August 2018, 19:13:25
How is manufacturing coming along?
Hey!
Sorry that I haven't given as many updates as I should have here, we have definitely been working hard on this behind the scenes and manufacturing is coming along well! CNC work has been done for more than half of the boards already, I will try to get some pics of that to show everyone here! We're well on schedule for sure, even ahead of things meaning people might be getting their boards early ;)
Awesome! I hope we dont hit any major speedbumps :D
Post by: Dumblescore on Wed, 05 September 2018, 12:40:42
Post by: Starius on Wed, 12 September 2018, 16:35:46
Things still going smoothly?
Post by: dead_pixel_design on Wed, 12 September 2018, 17:41:47
Post by: Darknight00z on Fri, 21 September 2018, 18:54:42
When was the original target date for the M0110 anyways? I don't recall.
Things still going smoothly?
Late November I believe.
Post by: Darknight00z on Fri, 05 October 2018, 08:23:55
Post by: dantambok on Fri, 05 October 2018, 11:18:27
Post by: janglad on Sat, 06 October 2018, 03:16:10
As for the production status: things appeared to go smoothly at first but our CNC shop has ran into an issue with his machine needed for the bottom part. Right now we're not sure how grave of a delay this will cause, but it does seem to be considerable considering CNC production should have been finished by now if the shop kept it's timeline.
Deskcandy is planning on shipping boards gradually once the first bottoms are made. This means that people who ordered earlier could still be getting their boards before the promised Thanksgiving shipping date. Sadly this also means that we can't realistically promise to ship boards on time for all customers. Since boards sold through EU or Asia proxies will be shipped to them in one big batch, this will most likely also cause delay for people who ordered there.
I would genuinely like to apologise for this, as common as delays are in this hobby I hoped we could let this GB run smoothly. Sadly, there's not much we can do right now but wait for the CNC shop to fix his issues. We will update here once we know more.
Post by: janglad on Sat, 06 October 2018, 03:16:43
I believe I opted for having an engraving on the bottom left corner. Any updates on the submission guidelines? Thanks!
Correct me if I'm wrong but haven't the guidelines been on the Deskcandy site since the GB launch? :D
https://www.deskcandy.xyz/group-buy/modern-m0110-custom-engraving?category=Customization (https://www.deskcandy.xyz/group-buy/modern-m0110-custom-engraving?category=Customization)
Post by: gnunin on Sat, 06 October 2018, 04:27:26
Post by: Darknight00z on Sat, 06 October 2018, 06:48:10
I believe I opted for having an engraving on the bottom left corner. Any updates on the submission guidelines? Thanks!
Correct me if I'm wrong but haven't the guidelines been on the Deskcandy site since the GB launch? :D
https://www.deskcandy.xyz/group-buy/modern-m0110-custom-engraving?category=Customization (https://www.deskcandy.xyz/group-buy/modern-m0110-custom-engraving?category=Customization)
Ah bugger my bad.
Post by: Dumblescore on Tue, 23 October 2018, 21:11:51
Post by: Darknight00z on Wed, 24 October 2018, 09:05:57
Post by: nuclear_wizard on Wed, 24 October 2018, 13:51:47
My blunder with this GB is that I didn't realize you needed to separately order the PCB, so I'll have to hope for extras.
Post by: Fewestapollo75 on Sat, 03 November 2018, 14:01:41
Post by: Perfex on Sun, 04 November 2018, 01:40:34
Any updates?
https://www.reddit.com/r/mechmarket/comments/9olc7i/vendor_desk_candy_updates_10152018/ (https://www.reddit.com/r/mechmarket/comments/9olc7i/vendor_desk_candy_updates_10152018/)
Post by: Starius on Sun, 04 November 2018, 05:30:36
Any updates?
https://www.reddit.com/r/mechmarket/comments/9olc7i/vendor_desk_candy_updates_10152018/ (https://www.reddit.com/r/mechmarket/comments/9olc7i/vendor_desk_candy_updates_10152018/)
Ah, thanks for sharing that!
Post by: dantambok on Tue, 06 November 2018, 18:18:02
Post by: otanishock on Wed, 07 November 2018, 09:21:15
Post by: otanishock on Wed, 07 November 2018, 09:26:46
Here's a picture of it on a Glock slide :)Show Image(https://image.ibb.co/n1SURy/MdOmK5S.jpg)
Excitement intensifies....So glad I decided to join last minute. Can't wait for my "glock" M0110.
Post by: TunnaTown on Thu, 22 November 2018, 10:56:18
It's been 2 months since the last update.
Post by: wixxzblu on Thu, 22 November 2018, 10:58:08
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Hey Modern M0110 group buy amazing supporters,
Quick update on the status of the group buy--easier to email everyone instead of trying to duplicate updates on all the platforms (Reddit, Geekhack, Keebtalk, Instagram) and it's been difficult for me to answer individual requests and updates since we're really spending most of our time these days just pushing forward M0110 and fulfilling other group buy and in-stock orders.
TL;DR - we are about 3 months behind our original schedule because of machining delays but (fingers crossed!) have not run into any major manufacturing errors or issues that would pose a major risk quality wise to the end product.
The major setback in our timeline is that our machinist (the person who turns raw blocks of extruded aluminum into carved pieces which actually look like keyboards) ran roughly 3-4 months behind schedule. I was supposed to get all the parts in hand by end of August (which would theoretically have given us enough time to make significant progress on surface coating and engraving to start shipping by early November). However, it's nearing end of November now and I have in possession roughly 50% of the machined cases and the machinist told me last week all bottoms are done and he's still finishing up the tops. I am not going to pay the remainder of the machining and material fee until 100% of the parts are delivered.
But the good news is that we *do* have roughly half of the machined cases now, so we are planning to start serial number and custom engraving this week. In addition--we are working on doing another test run to make sure the Cerakote quality comes out better than the prototype that Top Clack reviewed--that one will get Cerakote this week or next and I will ship it out to Jan to have another look and help us QC the surface finish to make sure we are on track. Despite delays, the one thing we don't want to compromise on is quality :) I spent several hours with our vendor who is taking care of both Cerakote and engraving this weekend and am looking forward to seeing how everything comes out.
Unfortunately because of how the anodizing process works (it has to be done in one big batch instead of painting individual keyboards), anodized boards will not get surface coatings until I receive 100% of the machined boards, so Cerakote customers may receive their boards before anodized ones.
Check out some pics of the boards below! I forgot to take another picture of the huge pile of M0110 parts currently at our Cerakote vendor's shop :)
Sorry for the delays and poor communication from Desk Candy. I want to do better, so please give me feedback if this format is helpful and if you have any questions or concerns. Please be patient with the process as there are a lot of variables (and we cannot control all of them) with the manufacturing process for this scale and level of quality, and thank you very much again for being a part of this group buy.
Best,
John
i got this email from john 3 days ago.
Post by: TunnaTown on Thu, 22 November 2018, 11:18:12
Post by: laserbeamspewpew on Sat, 29 December 2018, 12:58:58
Post by: dantambok on Sat, 29 December 2018, 21:45:47
Post by: beekey on Mon, 31 December 2018, 02:24:51
Removed, posten in wrong thread. Sorry
Post by: ThomasTH on Mon, 31 December 2018, 02:27:04
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Post by: ptiede on Mon, 31 December 2018, 02:41:59
Received mine, very, very beautiful. The white is awesome.
BUT for all if you, who plan to use the stand-offs. They are of very poor quality. Material is way too soft. The thread is filled with paint and/or are too small. Sheared off 3 stand-offs so far. Even after using another screw to redo the threading. Sad to see such a nice case ruined by cheap stand-offs. :-(
Update: added picture:Show Image(https://i.imgur.com/cD2L3Z9.jpg)
Standoffs? I thought this was top mount? I am confused what exactly are you talking about?
Post by: beekey on Mon, 31 December 2018, 02:51:29
Received mine, very, very beautiful. The white is awesome.
BUT for all if you, who plan to use the stand-offs. They are of very poor quality. Material is way too soft. The thread is filled with paint and/or are too small. Sheared off 3 stand-offs so far. Even after using another screw to redo the threading. Sad to see such a nice case ruined by cheap stand-offs. :-(
Update: added picture:Show Image(https://i.imgur.com/cD2L3Z9.jpg)
Standoffs? I thought this was top mount? I am confused what exactly are you talking about?
You can do both. I opted for tray mount because I wanted to use my existing plates and PCBs. If you got the top mount plate, lucky you. I need now to find a way to fix the stand-offs to the case. Probably drill the crappy stand-offs out and try better ones.
Post by: ThomasTH on Mon, 31 December 2018, 02:59:39
https://www.deskcandy.xyz/group-buy/modern-m0110?category=Modern%20M0110%20Kit
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Post by: dantambok on Mon, 31 December 2018, 03:01:13
Received mine, very, very beautiful. The white is awesome.
BUT for all if you, who plan to use the stand-offs. They are of very poor quality. Material is way too soft. The thread is filled with paint and/or are too small. Sheared off 3 stand-offs so far. Even after using another screw to redo the threading. Sad to see such a nice case ruined by cheap stand-offs. :-(
Update: added picture:Show Image(https://i.imgur.com/cD2L3Z9.jpg)
i'm pretty sure a top mount plate is included with the case?
Standoffs? I thought this was top mount? I am confused what exactly are you talking about?
You can do both. I opted for tray mount because I wanted to use my existing plates and PCBs. If you got the top mount plate, lucky you. I need now to find a way to fix the stand-offs to the case. Probably drill the crappy stand-offs out and try better ones.
i'm pretty sure a top mount plate is included with the case?
Post by: packman86 on Mon, 31 December 2018, 03:03:27
Received mine, very, very beautiful. The white is awesome.
BUT for all if you, who plan to use the stand-offs. They are of very poor quality. Material is way too soft. The thread is filled with paint and/or are too small. Sheared off 3 stand-offs so far. Even after using another screw to redo the threading. Sad to see such a nice case ruined by cheap stand-offs. :-(
Update: added picture:Show Image(https://i.imgur.com/cD2L3Z9.jpg)
I had no idea these shipped already. Did you perhaps get the one from Massdrop that looks similar?
Post by: dantambok on Mon, 31 December 2018, 03:09:24
Post by: neralo on Mon, 31 December 2018, 03:16:05
Received mine, very, very beautiful. The white is awesome.
BUT for all if you, who plan to use the stand-offs. They are of very poor quality. Material is way too soft. The thread is filled with paint and/or are too small. Sheared off 3 stand-offs so far. Even after using another screw to redo the threading. Sad to see such a nice case ruined by cheap stand-offs. :-(
Update: added picture:Show Image(https://i.imgur.com/cD2L3Z9.jpg)
I think he got confused with the MD run RedScarf M0110x. AFAIK, this gb is not yet complete. Last update I think was in October, saying there was an issue with CNCing the bottom.
I had no idea these shipped already. Did you perhaps get the one from Massdrop that looks similar?
Post by: dantambok on Mon, 31 December 2018, 03:19:16
"Engraving and cerakote should be starting tomorrow, im meeting with the guy doing it"
Post by: ptiede on Mon, 31 December 2018, 03:42:53
Post by: beekey on Mon, 31 December 2018, 03:43:18
Post by: Starius on Mon, 31 December 2018, 06:26:14
He's understandably frustrated at the delays in production that are beyond his reach.
Hopefully things will get back on track here soon.
Post by: befbef on Mon, 31 December 2018, 08:26:17
Since I've joined via proxy, I didn't get a single email or anything.
Post by: laserbeamspewpew on Mon, 31 December 2018, 08:48:50
I hate it when gb-runners "don't have the time" to share some news (or just say we have no news). You had the time to advertise your product here! It takes one minute.
Since I've joined via proxy, I didn't get a single email or anything.
Communication has been extremely poor this GB. In the last (and I think only) email update over a month ago, he claimed he wanted to get better at this. Crickets since then.
Post by: pixelpusher on Mon, 31 December 2018, 09:31:37
Post by: dantambok on Mon, 31 December 2018, 12:43:21
That being said, i hope John updates again soon. :)
Post by: janglad on Tue, 01 January 2019, 16:22:02
I hate it when gb-runners "don't have the time" to share some news (or just say we have no news). You had the time to advertise your product here! It takes one minute.
Since I've joined via proxy, I didn't get a single email or anything.
I understand that there hasn't been regular communication here, but I have always updated here as soon as I knew progress was made. It's just that the progress sadly is taking a long time....
As for you not getting an email, that definitely is a mistake on our part. I'll make sure people who ordered through proxies will also get updates via email from now on.
Post by: pixelpusher on Tue, 01 January 2019, 16:31:28
I hate it when gb-runners "don't have the time" to share some news (or just say we have no news). You had the time to advertise your product here! It takes one minute.
Since I've joined via proxy, I didn't get a single email or anything.
I understand that there hasn't been regular communication here, but I have always updated here as soon as I knew progress was made. It's just that the progress sadly is taking a long time....
As for you not getting an email, that definitely is a mistake on our part. I'll make sure people who ordered through proxies will also get updates via email from now on.
Good to see you here, sir. Looking forward to some cerakote alps goodness one day.
Post by: befbef on Tue, 01 January 2019, 17:23:03
I hate it when gb-runners "don't have the time" to share some news (or just say we have no news). You had the time to advertise your product here! It takes one minute.
Since I've joined via proxy, I didn't get a single email or anything.
I understand that there hasn't been regular communication here, but I have always updated here as soon as I knew progress was made. It's just that the progress sadly is taking a long time....
As for you not getting an email, that definitely is a mistake on our part. I'll make sure people who ordered through proxies will also get updates via email from now on.
Appreciate that! That it's taking much longer is not that big of a problem for me as long as I know you're working on it. **** happens, I just hope quality doesn't suffer from all the problems.
Post by: Darknight00z on Sun, 06 January 2019, 22:25:30
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Hey folks,
Happy new year!
Quick update here on the Modern M0110 group buy progress. I am very happy to say that all the machining work is now done! Desk Candy is now paid in full for all the machining work after I inspected the final product, so what's left is finish work (Cerakote, anodizing, and engraving) and getting the laser-cut plates.
Right now, a large quantity of machined boards are at our Cerakote vendor's shop in Huntington Beach, CA waiting to be shot-blasted, engraved and Cerakoted (he is doing shot-blasting and engraving for all boards and Cerakote for the Cerakote orders). However, the Cerakote vendor just had a son right before New Years, and coupled with the holiday hasn't made much progress. He is a skilled artisan but because his is a small shop, everything pretty much shuts down over the holidays and for life events (birth of his son).
I am personally visiting the shop on Sunday to hopefully pick up the first production sample which I will send to Jan in Europe (some of you may recall that Huey from Top Clack find some inconsistencies in the Cerakote finishes) so he can double check everything is good to go for the full finishing process.
I know some of you are frustrated with how long everything is taking and I am right there with you, the longer this process takes, the longer before I can really sink meaningful time into future Desk Candy or other projects, so believe me when I say I'm right there with you :) I can't really give an updated time estimate right now that I have real confidence in (you wouldn't want me to just arbitrarily pick a new delivery date) until we actually start getting boards Cerakoted. Once I know that we can complete X boards per week, then I can do some math to figure out how long the whole thing will take if that makes sense.
This has been overall a much more unpredictable process to complete the project than I anticipated or would have liked, and a lot of the current state of the project is out of my control and in our vendor's hands. The issue with manufacturing this project in the US versus China, is that while there are a lot of great artisans and vendors here to work with, because of the order size we are restricted to working with mom and pop shops which come with more unpredictability when it comes to timing.
Last thing--Alps Throwback is almost done shipping to people who just ordered Alps Throwback as a standalone order. If you ordered Alps Throwback with Modern M0110 and want to get it sooner instead of waiting until Modern M0110 ships, please reply back to me directly--this will cost a bit more in shipping just as a heads up.
Thanks,
John
Post by: TunnaTown on Mon, 07 January 2019, 10:13:11
Post by: dantambok on Fri, 18 January 2019, 22:18:39
Post by: beekey on Tue, 05 February 2019, 13:11:42
Post by: ihalatch on Tue, 05 February 2019, 18:34:35
Post by: dantambok on Tue, 05 February 2019, 22:02:17
Post by: idlemao on Tue, 05 February 2019, 22:20:59
Post by: pandemic123 on Wed, 06 February 2019, 01:10:53
Post by: dantambok on Wed, 06 February 2019, 01:25:26
is that the same vendor for the cerakote as well?
probably different. not sure tho
Post by: crowKAKAWWW on Wed, 06 February 2019, 10:34:35
Post by: Darknight00z on Wed, 06 February 2019, 10:55:51
I know all of the delays have been out of John's control, but damn this sucks.
We could have had some updates about it instead word of mouth....
inbe4 janglad comes with another apology.
Post by: ThomasTH on Thu, 07 February 2019, 05:02:47
Communication sucks hard here...
What's the progress on cherakoting etc...
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Post by: crowKAKAWWW on Thu, 07 February 2019, 10:14:13
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Right now, a large quantity of machined boards are at our Cerakote vendor's shop in Huntington Beach, CA waiting to be shot-blasted, engraved and Cerakoted (he is doing shot-blasting and engraving for all boards and Cerakote for the Cerakote orders).
Looks like engraving and cerakoting. :(
Post by: pandemic123 on Thu, 07 February 2019, 10:15:33
Post by: laserbeamspewpew on Thu, 07 February 2019, 10:27:01
QuoteRight now, a large quantity of machined boards are at our Cerakote vendor's shop in Huntington Beach, CA waiting to be shot-blasted, engraved and Cerakoted (he is doing shot-blasting and engraving for all boards and Cerakote for the Cerakote orders).
Looks like engraving and cerakoting. :(
A few replies up claims that this vendor has backed out...
Post by: Darknight00z on Thu, 07 February 2019, 11:07:10
Is that for the custom engraving stuff or all cases?
Communication sucks hard here...
What's the progress on cherakoting etc...
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All boards are engraved whether you chose the extra custom engraving. As the inside of the case has the engraving of Modern M0110, case number and among other things? Seems gb page has been removed from DeskCandy.
Post by: pixelpusher on Thu, 07 February 2019, 11:37:49
It's not like they've removed all information about the product from their website.
https://www.deskcandy.xyz/modern-m0110/
Still, we need communication or options or refunds. I'd honestly be happy with any of the three at this point.
Post by: Darknight00z on Thu, 07 February 2019, 12:13:24
Default engraving here:
(https://static1.squarespace.com/static/5a093692f14aa13ff15444b5/5b14db948a922db6918e82a7/5b14dccc575d1fc851845303/1528093941378/IMG_20180601_083120.jpg?format=2500w)
Post by: laserbeamspewpew on Thu, 07 February 2019, 18:02:43
Thanks pixelpusher, that was the link I was looking for.
Default engraving here:Show Image(https://static1.squarespace.com/static/5a093692f14aa13ff15444b5/5b14db948a922db6918e82a7/5b14dccc575d1fc851845303/1528093941378/IMG_20180601_083120.jpg?format=2500w)
Personally I’d be okay with no engraving, as long as a competent cerakote vendor can be found if indeed he has backed out.
Post by: ZROGST on Thu, 07 February 2019, 19:03:05
Post by: xoxox1029 on Fri, 08 February 2019, 01:57:38
Post by: trikoi00 on Fri, 08 February 2019, 08:23:28
Post by: janglad on Fri, 08 February 2019, 08:59:44
I know we're kind of in a limbo for this project - but will there be any extras to buy? Or if not anyone has a spot they would sell me?
We ordered quite a bit of extra boards, but if those will be sold all depends on how many we need to reject due to QC. They were ordered as "backup units" mainly, to make sure everyone in the GB gets their board with good quality. I'm not sure about this but I assume that if we do need to reject some boards due to QC they will be sold as B stock by Deskcandy.
As for updates on this board, sadly I don't really have any.... I've asked Deskcandy again a couple of days ago and seemingly nothing much has happened at the Cerakote shop. I understand this is a frustrating GB for a lot of you, me and Deskcandy included. I'm still waiting on my personal boards as well (I only have a China made prototype from a year ago at this point) and Deskcandy has not been able to move on to different projects because of how long all the manufacturers are taking...
Either way, I genuinely hope it'll all be worth it in the end. Even though the delays are obvious, so far everything is looking perfect quality wise. As mentioned above I'd much rather have it go this way than the other way around....
Post by: dead_pixel_design on Fri, 08 February 2019, 12:45:28
Post by: Chewwy on Fri, 08 February 2019, 16:00:10
Post by: Perfex on Fri, 08 February 2019, 16:22:31
Post by: eyedrop on Fri, 08 February 2019, 18:19:40
John sent out an update stating you can opt out of engraving and possibly receive your board sooner, this is the route I’ll be taking.
I wonder what about those who paid extra to pick a certain number to be engraved.
Post by: Perfex on Fri, 08 February 2019, 19:24:12
John sent out an update stating you can opt out of engraving and possibly receive your board sooner, this is the route I’ll be taking.
I wonder what about those who paid extra to pick a certain number to be engraved.
If I understood his email, every one who opts for no engraving will be refunded $10, it didn’t specifically state the custom options, but I would imagine those charges will also be refunded.
Post by: Perfex on Fri, 08 February 2019, 19:33:04
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Hey folks,
Quick update here on the Modern M0110 group buy. Unfortunately we hit another setback--the engraving vendor that I picked (based on the recommendation of our Cerakote vendor) decided to not help us with engraving since they are at full capacity with their laser engraver. So my current focus recently has been to find a new engraving vendor, which is easier said than done.
Laser engravers which can truly engrave metal (removing material as opposed to just marking metal) cost tens of thousands of dollars and either 1) the big shops who have them don’t want to work on the group buy project because it’s too small for them or 2) the small shops can’t afford such a machine. I have a line on one shop in LA that *should* be able to help (and potentially a few more leads from the manufacturer of one brand of laser engravers), and I’m reaching out to them about doing a quick sample so we can move forward, but if anyone knows a reliable laser engraver in Southern California, please let me know!!
That being said--if you would like to receive your keyboard earlier and don’t care about having a serial number engraved (serial number engraving was supposed to be for all M0110 units, and certain customers paid to reserve specific numbers), I would like to give you the option of skipping engraving, get a $10 refund, and receive your keyboard sooner. Please email me back if you want to do this!
Thank you all for your support and have a great weekend everyone!
Best regards,
John
Post by: dantambok on Fri, 08 February 2019, 19:34:59
Post by: Dumblescore on Fri, 08 February 2019, 19:37:05
Post by: hhkbp2 on Sun, 10 February 2019, 08:21:20
And Please improve the communication. Make a post here if you have any issue, any update on sample of engraving, etc.
Post by: Starius on Sun, 10 February 2019, 20:26:24
Even though there are setbacks and delays on this project, I hope these issues and pressure would not rush the GB runners in production/delivery. Please don't compromise or risk the quality just to catch up the delivery date. I would rather to wait longer than to receive poor quality product.
And Please improve the communication. Make a post here if you have any issue, any update on sample of engraving, etc.
I concur. :thumb:
Post by: crowKAKAWWW on Sun, 10 February 2019, 23:50:42
Post by: kitimon on Mon, 11 February 2019, 03:34:45
I have a cerakote beige unit for spot transfer. Order with extra acrylic frosted plate, walnut waist rest. PM me and we can work it out with John.
I have a Dark Grey M0110 spot with an extra brass plate and looking to transfer my spot. PM me if interested. We can work out all the details with the GB runner on the transfer.
Messaged both of you. Hope to hear back soon.
Post by: ZROGST on Mon, 11 February 2019, 15:18:39
Post by: Darknight00z on Wed, 13 February 2019, 17:29:10
From Jan 4QuoteHey folks,
Happy new year!
....
I am personally visiting the shop on Sunday to hopefully pick up the first production sample which I will send to Jan in Europe (some of you may recall that Huey from Top Clack find some inconsistencies in the Cerakote finishes) so he can double check everything is good to go for the full finishing process.
....
Thanks,
John
@janglad Do you know when you will receive the final cerakoted production sample as quoted by John's email?
Post by: Dumblescore on Sat, 16 February 2019, 19:56:50
Post by: adamcobabe on Mon, 18 February 2019, 05:11:32
Any update on the Modern M0120 concept? Already dying to get one
I want to know as well. I'd buy two.
Post by: pandemic123 on Wed, 20 February 2019, 01:43:15
Post by: crowKAKAWWW on Wed, 20 February 2019, 09:46:38
anyone get a response from John after picking the no engraving option?
I've sent 3 emails since the 8th, one of which asked him to step up his communication. Not a single word from him.
Post by: rmacdowe on Wed, 20 February 2019, 11:49:59
Post by: pan on Wed, 20 February 2019, 22:38:21
Post by: lyk503 on Wed, 27 February 2019, 14:42:09
Light Sand cerakote, alps PCB and plate, engraved No. 100 spot.
Post by: dead_pixel_design on Wed, 27 February 2019, 16:27:52
I am looking to purchase a Light Sand Cerakote spot, please PM me :)
I’m looking to sell a spot.
Light Sand cerakote, alps PCB and plate, engraved No. 100 spot.
You guys are made for each other. Keep me in mind when you name the babies.
Post by: pan on Wed, 27 February 2019, 17:28:32
I’m looking to sell a spot.Hey, I've sent you a PM (via. Tapatalk)
Light Sand cerakote, alps PCB and plate, engraved No. 100 spot.
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Post by: pan on Wed, 27 February 2019, 19:05:59
True love is real <3I am looking to purchase a Light Sand Cerakote spot, please PM me :)I’m looking to sell a spot.
Light Sand cerakote, alps PCB and plate, engraved No. 100 spot.
You guys are made for each other. Keep me in mind when you name the babies.
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Post by: Darknight00z on Mon, 04 March 2019, 05:54:07
Post by: Manticzeus on Mon, 04 March 2019, 20:07:03
Post by: pandemic123 on Mon, 04 March 2019, 22:08:26
Post by: pixelpusher on Mon, 04 March 2019, 23:09:20
the original group buy page is also gone
The page is still there at this address:
https://www.deskcandy.xyz/modern-m0110/
Post by: dantambok on Mon, 04 March 2019, 23:34:51
he said "basically have a new engraver but will start shipping general orders soon"
Post by: ThomasTH on Tue, 05 March 2019, 05:34:54
I opted out of engraving but nothing happened, might as well Opt in again
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Post by: fine_italian_leather on Tue, 05 March 2019, 06:23:13
Can we at least get a picture of all the cherakote of cases? Are they even done?
I opted out of engraving but nothing happened, might as well Opt in again
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I also tried passing on the engraving via email but did not get an answer. Would be nice to get some direct communication on what the current status is.
Post by: Starius on Tue, 05 March 2019, 06:26:34
Since I plan to use the two together, I haven't been in a hurry to have one without the other. But I do find it a bit ironic that both have been on similar trajectories.
Post by: crowKAKAWWW on Tue, 05 March 2019, 11:42:56
Post by: befbef on Tue, 05 March 2019, 14:39:02
I wish you were...
Post by: pandemic123 on Tue, 05 March 2019, 21:13:13
Post by: dantambok on Tue, 05 March 2019, 23:50:30
Post by: Darknight00z on Thu, 07 March 2019, 17:24:42
He told me boards without engraving will start shipping out soon but failed to give me an exact date. Hoping for the best :p
Dantambok, you must tell me your secret! You keep getting replies from John, while the rest of us keep getting ghosted. Are you using your lawyer to ask for updates? :P
Post by: cerement on Sun, 10 March 2019, 17:27:32
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Hey folks,
Quick update on the Modern M0110 group buy--we found a new engraver!
In terms of process and general timeline, I received emails from some of you about canceling engraving, I haven’t processed all of the refunds yet but will try to finish that this week as well as getting the first batch of non-engraved boards Cerakoted this week to ship the following week. Timing is still TBD on when shipping will finish, but we will start incrementally and try to move as fast as we can, and once the pace stabilizes will try to give an ETA if we can.
Here are a couple pictures from the engraver, including a preview of the standard serial number engraving. The board you see here will ship out to Jan in the next week or two for him to QA the Cerakote finish.
Thanks!
Post by: crowKAKAWWW on Mon, 11 March 2019, 13:21:17
Post by: heavyheaded on Wed, 13 March 2019, 10:21:17
Post by: Manticzeus on Tue, 19 March 2019, 16:58:13
Post by: crowKAKAWWW on Tue, 19 March 2019, 20:30:10
Post by: pandemic123 on Wed, 20 March 2019, 00:41:46
Post by: ReadmeDotTxt on Wed, 20 March 2019, 16:31:27
Post by: dantambok on Wed, 20 March 2019, 20:11:42
Personally, i'm just opting out the engraving. My board was no. 04 i think, i want that engraving but i also want to get this over with :'(
Post by: pixelpusher on Wed, 20 March 2019, 21:09:11
Post by: laserbeamspewpew on Wed, 20 March 2019, 21:31:09
how can they ship in 2 weeks? We haven't even seen a cerakoted sample yet, have we? I mean, i'll believe it when i see it
I imagine cerakoting doesn't take long.
Post by: dantambok on Wed, 20 March 2019, 22:29:20
how can they ship in 2 weeks? We haven't even seen a cerakoted sample yet, have we? I mean, i'll believe it when i see it
at this point, i just want to believe anything :scoot: :(
Post by: hhkbp2 on Fri, 22 March 2019, 02:35:35
I joined in via zfrontier and it's outer space silence there. No update, no estimated shipping after all these delays, no anything about the engraved optout at all. I have to track this thread to know what happened and guess what will happen. **** happens in GBs, as we all know, but the communication is really too bad for this one.
Post by: Darknight00z on Fri, 22 March 2019, 07:49:20
Post by: janglad on Fri, 22 March 2019, 12:02:25
Could we have some pictures of samples before shipping (for both the non-engraved and the engraved)? Given that it's been through so many issues, I'm concerned about the produce quality.
I joined in via zfrontier and it's outer space silence there. No update, no estimated shipping after all these delays, no anything about the engraved optout at all. I have to track this thread to know what happened and guess what will happen. **** happens in GBs, as we all know, but the communication is really too bad for this one.
I've been trying to give all the updates I can, same for John. Thing is we often just don't have any updates to give with the rate our manufacturers are handling things. I can definitely understand this isn't the most pleasant GB experience though. I will get a production board in in the following week/weeks (depending on how long shipping takes). I will be sure to provide as many pictures as possible.
I'll also update the ETA as soon as I can.
Also, Dead Encryption already received his board (he ordered it uncoated) and will be doing a build stream of it tonight at 2:30PM USA-CST here https://twitch.tv/dead_encryption .
Post by: dead_pixel_design on Fri, 22 March 2019, 16:12:39
I've been trying to give all the updates I can, same for John. Thing is we often just don't have any updates to give with the rate our manufacturers are handling things. I can definitely understand this isn't the most pleasant GB experience though. I will get a production board in in the following week/weeks (depending on how long shipping takes). I will be sure to provide as many pictures as possible.
I'll also update the ETA as soon as I can.
I was part of the Exent GB, you're doing fine.
Post by: crowKAKAWWW on Sat, 23 March 2019, 00:37:09
Post by: Darknight00z on Wed, 27 March 2019, 10:32:59
Post by: Perfex on Thu, 28 March 2019, 00:37:53
Anyone still waiting for engraving refund?
No refund yet, however I did get a reply to the original email I sent to request the non engraved option tonight.
Post by: Chewwy on Thu, 28 March 2019, 19:42:34
Post by: fine_italian_leather on Fri, 29 March 2019, 07:30:17
Post by: wixxzblu on Sun, 31 March 2019, 16:20:18
Post by: nuclear_wizard on Sun, 31 March 2019, 17:11:47
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Post by: dantambok on Sun, 31 March 2019, 19:12:48
Post by: deskcandy on Sun, 31 March 2019, 22:02:18
--
Hey everyone,
All serial number engraving refund requests have been processed. If you think you were supposed to get an email and refund but didn't please send me a *new* email and I'll check in on it.
We are making progress but I don't have anything too concrete to share right now other than we are tweaking some aspects of surface finishing (which includes Cerakote, anodizing, and engraving) and hope to give another update by end of week next week with more specifics.
In the interest of moving forward, I am not going to accept any individual questions about group buy status or order changes other than shipping address changes (I want to make sure you can actually receive your order!). It takes a lot of time to respond to all of you, and don't want to give out information piecemeal (e.g., if I mention something to one person, other folks may not receive that information as well). You have all been super awesome and patient with the group buy and I appreciate that, just please be mindful that requesting more communication on an individual level slows down progress for the entire group.
Thank you!
John
Post by: deskcandy on Sun, 31 March 2019, 22:05:30
I've tried to have an email correspondence with John, but no answer after several emails. I want to know what the status is for engraving cancelation is and what the status of anodized cases are since all we hear are problems with the cerakoting.
If you didn't hear back from us this afternoon, please DM me or send a new email. Thanks!
Post by: eyedrop on Sun, 31 March 2019, 23:24:53
Post by: beeeees on Sun, 31 March 2019, 23:43:49
Somehow I skipped to a different thread haha.
Post by: deskcandy on Mon, 01 April 2019, 00:07:58
I am part of the GB but I have never received an email about update. Is it possible to add me to the distro list?
Did you order through Desk Candy or the proxies (EU or China)? I don't have the email address for proxy customers but have been forwarding all the updates to Mykeyboard and zFrontier.
Post by: eyedrop on Mon, 01 April 2019, 00:29:03
I am part of the GB but I have never received an email about update. Is it possible to add me to the distro list?
Did you order through Desk Candy or the proxies (EU or China)? I don't have the email address for proxy customers but have been forwarding all the updates to Mykeyboard and zFrontier.
I ordered through Desk Candy directly. My order numbers are #65 and #69.
Post by: fine_italian_leather on Mon, 01 April 2019, 04:14:18
Hello geekhaaaack! I haven't really been active here in a while and have focused group buy communication on email since I know for sure it will reach folks who joined the GB, but since this is an actually discussion *forum*, I will post these updates here too going forward.
Thank you. Posting updates here is in everyone's best interest.
Post by: deskcandy on Mon, 01 April 2019, 10:50:09
I am part of the GB but I have never received an email about update. Is it possible to add me to the distro list?
Did you order through Desk Candy or the proxies (EU or China)? I don't have the email address for proxy customers but have been forwarding all the updates to Mykeyboard and zFrontier.
I ordered through Desk Candy directly. My order numbers are #65 and #69.
PMing you for more info--we have a valid email for these orders and that email address has been on every update thus far, so maybe going to spam or it's an old email for you or something.
Post by: Darknight00z on Fri, 05 April 2019, 17:57:57
Post by: schlep on Fri, 05 April 2019, 18:01:43
I am part of the GB but I have never received an email about update. Is it possible to add me to the distro list?
Did you order through Desk Candy or the proxies (EU or China)? I don't have the email address for proxy customers but have been forwarding all the updates to Mykeyboard and zFrontier.
Yeah, I ordered through Desk Candy too but I havent been receiving any email updates about this GB. Yes, i've checked my Spam inbox.
Post by: deskcandy on Sat, 06 April 2019, 08:06:13
I am part of the GB but I have never received an email about update. Is it possible to add me to the distro list?
Did you order through Desk Candy or the proxies (EU or China)? I don't have the email address for proxy customers but have been forwarding all the updates to Mykeyboard and zFrontier.
Yeah, I ordered through Desk Candy too but I havent been receiving any email updates about this GB. Yes, i've checked my Spam inbox.
Sent you a PM.
Post by: dantambok on Sat, 06 April 2019, 10:19:44
Post by: nguyenhimself on Sat, 06 April 2019, 14:16:55
I know long waits without much to say for them can be frustrating, but I've been amusing myself with a little game I like to call, "Which will arrive first?" The Modern M0110 or XDA Oblique?Just FYI: XDA Oblique won ;)
Post by: Starius on Sat, 06 April 2019, 14:59:56
I know long waits without much to say for them can be frustrating, but I've been amusing myself with a little game I like to call, "Which will arrive first?" The Modern M0110 or XDA Oblique?Just FYI: XDA Oblique won ;)
Hah! Yes, I haven't received mine yet but it looks like it will be the winner. 😆
Post by: otanishock on Thu, 11 April 2019, 15:47:13
Post by: themillerdave on Thu, 11 April 2019, 16:50:13
Looking to sell my Dynamic Black Cerakote spot at face value. If you're interested hit me up.
Bring it on Saturday, man! I at least want to see it (and likely will buy it from you as well)
Post by: deskcandy on Wed, 17 April 2019, 00:49:12
For some context, our machinist sped up the CNC program for Modern M0110 when he did the actual production run, and while all the tops machining is pretty fantastic (honestly this is where a huge chunk of our machining budget went since you're basically paying by the minute), the bottoms came out rougher than the original prototype and my machinist will not do another pass, but at the time I thought that the level of machine marks was normal and would easily come out in sandblasting.
That turned out to be not true...and when I gave the order to my Cerakote vendor to start running the non-engraved keyboards, he basically halted after the first one because the machining marks were way too rough on the bottom and I don't want to ship them to you guys in that state. So me and my wife have been working with our Cerakote and anodizing vendor to experiment with different surface prep strategies so we ship out keyboards that live up to your expectations because lets be honest, even if it looks amazing on top and sitting on your desk, I know many of you are not going to be satisfied if the part you *can't* see isn't perfect too.
So the main updates are:
- We have anodized production samples! They actually look *amazing* and I'll try to share good photos when I have a chance to photograph them properly. The gray is going to come out with a bit more of a textured finish while the silver will come out as an ultra-smooth Apple-like finish. I'm actually really impressed with the quality and was surprised you could get such high quality anodizing done in the good ol USA (anodizing companies are a bit of a dying breed here due to environmental regulations)
- My Cerakote vendor's spray gun broke last week and he had to get a new one, so he has to redo the production sample--our proposed solution right now is to actually paint each keyboard twice so the first coat helps smooth out the surface of the bottom and second coat is the one you see. It's a bit more expensive but I hope that this will look good but I don't have 100% confirmation on it yet. The two coats will be evenly applied on both bottom and top so we don't expect to see any color inconsistencies but this is definitely something we will be monitoring once we get to real production.
Thanks everyone!
Post by: fine_italian_leather on Wed, 17 April 2019, 05:54:19
Hey folks, just a quick update here for proof of life :)
For some context, our machinist sped up the CNC program for Modern M0110 when he did the actual production run, and while all the tops machining is pretty fantastic (honestly this is where a huge chunk of our machining budget went since you're basically paying by the minute), the bottoms came out rougher than the original prototype and my machinist will not do another pass, but at the time I thought that the level of machine marks was normal and would easily come out in sandblasting.
That turned out to be not true...and when I gave the order to my Cerakote vendor to start running the non-engraved keyboards, he basically halted after the first one because the machining marks were way too rough on the bottom and I don't want to ship them to you guys in that state. So me and my wife have been working with our Cerakote and anodizing vendor to experiment with different surface prep strategies so we ship out keyboards that live up to your expectations because lets be honest, even if it looks amazing on top and sitting on your desk, I know many of you are not going to be satisfied if the part you *can't* see isn't perfect too.
So the main updates are:
- We have anodized production samples! They actually look *amazing* and I'll try to share good photos when I have a chance to photograph them properly. The gray is going to come out with a bit more of a textured finish while the silver will come out as an ultra-smooth Apple-like finish. I'm actually really impressed with the quality and was surprised you could get such high quality anodizing done in the good ol USA (anodizing companies are a bit of a dying breed here due to environmental regulations)
- My Cerakote vendor's spray gun broke last week and he had to get a new one, so he has to redo the production sample--our proposed solution right now is to actually paint each keyboard twice so the first coat helps smooth out the surface of the bottom and second coat is the one you see. It's a bit more expensive but I hope that this will look good but I don't have 100% confirmation on it yet. The two coats will be evenly applied on both bottom and top so we don't expect to see any color inconsistencies but this is definitely something we will be monitoring once we get to real production.
Thanks everyone!
Thanks for the update. I appreciate you prioritizing quality over speed. Excited to see some pictures soon!
Post by: Darknight00z on Tue, 23 April 2019, 11:57:08
Post by: nguyenhimself on Tue, 23 April 2019, 13:23:56
Post by: crowKAKAWWW on Tue, 23 April 2019, 15:48:49
Appreciate your efforts, but man, this whole GB is like a “Made in USA” cautionary tale.
I think we've hit every possible kind of delay throughout this journey :confused:
Post by: DukeEsquire on Tue, 23 April 2019, 17:29:22
Appreciate your efforts, but man, this whole GB is like a “Made in USA” cautionary tale.
I think the biggest lesson here is to have a good prototype before going forward with the GB. The prototype that TopClack received was in bad shape.
That said, I do appreciate the GB runner's efforts to have everything done right rather than expedient.
Post by: dead_pixel_design on Tue, 23 April 2019, 23:38:07
Post by: deskcandy on Mon, 29 April 2019, 00:17:46
In the meantime, we took some nice pictures of the anodized finishes, which are pretty much finalized at this point (we are trying to tweak them slightly but the pics should give you a good indication). The two finishes are as described:
- Silver: polished and finished with a fine glass bead blast before anodizing--suuuuuper smooth!
- Grey: shotpeen to give more of a textured finished and then anodized. We are tweaking this slightly and the first production sample came out uneven between the top and bottom.
Hope you like them! :cool:
Post by: crowKAKAWWW on Mon, 29 April 2019, 18:28:08
Post by: wixxzblu on Tue, 30 April 2019, 01:33:23
Post by: crowKAKAWWW on Tue, 30 April 2019, 14:26:55
Post by: beekey on Tue, 30 April 2019, 15:09:47
Post by: ron310 on Wed, 01 May 2019, 06:25:41
Post by: ibabo on Wed, 01 May 2019, 12:09:29
Post by: Perfex on Wed, 01 May 2019, 13:02:52
Post by: macclack on Wed, 01 May 2019, 13:10:31
Post by: crowKAKAWWW on Wed, 01 May 2019, 18:00:58
Post by: Manticzeus on Wed, 01 May 2019, 21:17:29
Post by: dantambok on Wed, 01 May 2019, 21:35:53
I think you guys are over reacting a bit to the anodizing, the grey looks on par with boards such as Duck, etc... if anything the silver anodizing is too smooth, yes I can’t believe I said that.
"too smooth" well there's something you dont see often haha
Post by: deskcandy on Tue, 07 May 2019, 01:09:53
Post by: deskcandy on Tue, 07 May 2019, 01:11:08
I sent an email to you John, but I really hope we can change ano color, this super rough dark Grey is not what I signed up for.
We are going to run a new sample in the same smoothness as the silver but in gray so it is closer to what everyone signed up for originally. The color is going to be lighter than the picture to match our original sample (we were working on that anyways). Thanks.
Post by: adamcobabe on Tue, 07 May 2019, 03:52:50
Post by: crowKAKAWWW on Tue, 07 May 2019, 09:51:30
I sent an email to you John, but I really hope we can change ano color, this super rough dark Grey is not what I signed up for.
We are going to run a new sample in the same smoothness as the silver but in gray so it is closer to what everyone signed up for originally. The color is going to be lighter than the picture to match our original sample (we were working on that anyways). Thanks.
This is great news, thanks for listening to our feedback
Post by: Perfex on Tue, 07 May 2019, 11:48:22
To be frank, the silver seems different than the original too. It's been sand blasted so much that the edges are all completely smooth now.
Exactly
Post by: ibabo on Wed, 08 May 2019, 10:58:24
Post by: crowKAKAWWW on Thu, 23 May 2019, 15:30:07
Post by: ThomasTH on Thu, 23 May 2019, 15:31:01
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Post by: lyk503 on Thu, 23 May 2019, 18:47:38
I sent a message to the people who PMed me, but their messages were from a while ago, so I don’t know if they’re still interested.
So I’m trying again, this time I’ll be following my inbox/this thread more closely.
Trying to transfer my GB spot:
Ceraktoe beige m0110
Alps PCB
Fixed HHKB plate
#100 engraving.
Post by: raphaelf on Fri, 24 May 2019, 03:30:01
Post by: lukelex on Fri, 24 May 2019, 04:29:11
Post by: crowKAKAWWW on Thu, 30 May 2019, 15:00:07
Post by: broden on Tue, 04 June 2019, 15:44:24
Especially with the holiday season starting, I am already expecting drops of communication in general.
It has been a while though any news are appreciated.
Post by: dantambok on Tue, 04 June 2019, 21:27:53
Post by: qriousgabriel on Wed, 05 June 2019, 06:52:37
Got the spot
Post by: nuclear_wizard on Thu, 06 June 2019, 16:41:03
Post by: OtherAndrew on Wed, 12 June 2019, 19:28:07
Post by: deskcandy on Thu, 13 June 2019, 00:12:52
No major update yet from us. Only thing is that we officially now have all the brass plates in hand as of a week ago and they are good. I will be hand sanding and clear coating them as we ship orders out. We're aiming to get the new (smooth) grey sample by mid-week next week (Wednesday) and finish engraving by end of June, which unlocks the rest of the production process. Had some major life stuff happen in the last couple weeks which is why I haven't given any updates. Unfortunately we're not a 24/7 operation but rest assured we are making progress.
Will post pics when I have em.
Thanks for the patience all
-John
Post by: ThomasTH on Thu, 13 June 2019, 00:14:10
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Post by: deskcandy on Thu, 13 June 2019, 00:26:22
For Cerakote, we had to redo the "production sample" unit a few times and I am picking up that as well for final QC this weekend before I mail to Jan but at this point I don't want to let that hold back everything else.
Post by: Starius on Thu, 13 June 2019, 06:06:34
Post by: dwarflemur on Fri, 14 June 2019, 08:36:08
Post by: crowKAKAWWW on Fri, 14 June 2019, 10:07:15
Post by: pixelpusher on Sat, 29 June 2019, 10:12:52
Post by: dantambok on Mon, 01 July 2019, 10:16:04
Post by: dead_pixel_design on Sat, 06 July 2019, 12:24:42
Almost 1 year since this started :cool:
Good reminder! It helps to keep the time frame in perspective, I was just feeling like this GB was taking forever, but it really only has been a year, virtually no time at all for a GB, and this makes me feel better about it, thank you! This really is one of the better GBs
Post by: ibabo on Sat, 06 July 2019, 13:42:13
Almost 1 year since this started :cool:
Good reminder! It helps to keep the time frame in perspective, I was just feeling like this GB was taking forever, but it really only has been a year, virtually no time at all for a GB, and this makes me feel better about it, thank you! This really is one of the better GBs
Your being silly right?
Post by: ThomasTH on Sat, 06 July 2019, 14:07:13
I would assume so too, this is definitely one of the gbs that stopped me from buying more boards...Almost 1 year since this started :cool:
Good reminder! It helps to keep the time frame in perspective, I was just feeling like this GB was taking forever, but it really only has been a year, virtually no time at all for a GB, and this makes me feel better about it, thank you! This really is one of the better GBs
Your being silly right?
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Post by: dwarflemur on Sat, 06 July 2019, 16:02:19
Post by: dead_pixel_design on Sat, 06 July 2019, 16:25:51
Almost 1 year since this started :cool:
Good reminder! It helps to keep the time frame in perspective, I was just feeling like this GB was taking forever, but it really only has been a year, virtually no time at all for a GB, and this makes me feel better about it, thank you! This really is one of the better GBs
Your being silly right?
I'm being sarcastic to make a point, yeah. How long do you think these things take? I have been part of a dozen group buys and hundreds of crowd funding projects, one year really isn't that long. I have seen a lot of products be produced and the amount of work and time that goes into it is crazy, not to mention pieces that are out of the GB runners hands, other companies, with hundreds if not thousands of other projects they have to make happen on their own deadlines... This isn't going slow at all, and it's not really taking that long, AND we are getting communication from the creator, at least more than I have gotten on most projects or GBs I have been a part of.
Try to have a little perspective.
Post by: crowKAKAWWW on Sat, 06 July 2019, 17:52:09
Almost 1 year since this started :cool:
Good reminder! It helps to keep the time frame in perspective, I was just feeling like this GB was taking forever, but it really only has been a year, virtually no time at all for a GB, and this makes me feel better about it, thank you! This really is one of the better GBs
Your being silly right?
I'm being sarcastic to make a point, yeah. How long do you think these things take? I have been part of a dozen group buys and hundreds of crowd funding projects, one year really isn't that long. I have seen a lot of products be produced and the amount of work and time that goes into it is crazy, not to mention pieces that are out of the GB runners hands, other companies, with hundreds if not thousands of other projects they have to make happen on their own deadlines... This isn't going slow at all, and it's not really taking that long, AND we are getting communication from the creator, at least more than I have gotten on most projects or GBs I have been a part of.
Try to have a little perspective.
We realize that most of the delays have been out of DeskCandy's control, but it's a stretch to say that it isn't going slow at all-- we're 8 months past estimated fulfillment and we're still in the process of approving production samples.
I fully trust that we'll get a fantastic product out of this, but let's not fool ourselves into thinking everything has been going fine.
Post by: dead_pixel_design on Sat, 06 July 2019, 18:57:24
Post by: pixelpusher on Sat, 06 July 2019, 19:24:54
Counting pcbs, switches, or caps) here on geekhack. This is one of 4 that has taken over a year. Things go wrong. Some group buy runners get lucky. Some have bad luck. Some are better at dealing with problems. Some are better at communication.
With long running buys such as this, the best you can do is wait and hope for the best. We’ve asked for more frequent updates, and they don’t happen. Deskcandy seems to be satisfied with updating via email every few months. It’s not the best experience, but it’s what we have. Complaining usually only slows things down.
Post by: lukelex on Sat, 06 July 2019, 19:51:34
Estimates are wrong nearly 100% of the time in these situations, that doesn't mean it's taking a long time, this is still on track to be a faster GB than most I have been a part of, and WAAAAY faster than many other crowdfunding platform projects. Nothing ever goes 'fine' with projects like this, there are always issues, there are always delays, and this one is not nearly as bad as most. Maybe if you have never been a part of something like this this feels long, maybe if you have only been a part of 4 or 5, or hell even 10 crowd funded projects maybe you think people are fooling themselves, but after you have seen hundreds of projects, on both sides of the project, across a half dozen different platforms for a bunch of different types of product, you start to really appreciate when a project has only been a year late so far.I think you've been numbed by your past GB and CF experiences.
Avaraging things out and adjusting your expectations is a fine way to cope with these bad situations but let's not fool ourselves to think that this is acceptable. **** can and will go wrong and deadlines will endup shattered but this is the kind of stuff that limits the growth of this hobby. Just sheer lack of professionalism and a horrible customer experience.
That being said, I'm looking forward to get my hands on one of these.
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Post by: ptiede on Sat, 06 July 2019, 20:06:52
Post by: lukelex on Sat, 06 July 2019, 20:15:20
This isn't even that bad of a gb. Like sure it isn't great and we would al like more communication but some perspective is needed. We aren't buying products from some huge company whose sole goal is to make profit. It is a one off product made by someone who is passionate about it. Desk candy is still keeping us updated and I'm pretty certain that we will eventually get the board.Tbh. This sure sounds a lot like Stockholm syndrome.
"yeah I got punched a few times but I can hardly few them now"
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Post by: japanesehorrorwriter on Sat, 06 July 2019, 21:58:50
Post by: lukelex on Sun, 07 July 2019, 02:10:44
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Post by: dwarflemur on Sun, 07 July 2019, 23:32:19
Post by: deskcandy on Tue, 09 July 2019, 01:03:05
Cerakote
TL;DR - 4 units done, rest of unengraved in progress, then will start rest after engraving
- 4 unengraved units (light sand) are DONE. They look really good with the double layer painted approached we had to take because the machinist changed his tool path for production without telling me, which was a bit of a scare for the success of actually getting this GB done.
- These are going to ship out later this week to some of the early number orders who opted out of engraving - thank you! I feel really good about actually getting these out in your hands, even if it's just a small percentage to start. Getting the momentum of finishing a certain number of orders per week is really important.
- My Cerakote guy thinks he can get the rest of the unengraved units done by end of week, but I have to take that with a grain of salt. Don't count on all the unengraved boards being shipped out within a week. Maybe two or three at best given the rate he's working.
- I am still planning to send a board to janglad which has been specially engraved for him so he can independently inspect the Cerakote finish. This board has already been painted and repainted several times in order to get the finish right, and it should be good to go the next time I visit the Cerakote vendor. I am not waiting though to ship these 4 boards because I am confident in the quality of the finish that it is a step above the review unit manofinterests reviewed and honestly don't think you guys would want me to do anything to slow down getting boards in folks hands asap. You can check out the pictures yourselves.
[attach=1][attach=2][attach=3]
Anodized
TL;DR - Polishing is in progress, engraving comes next
- Based on your feedback in the last "big" update, we are not doing the shotpeen (rougher textured) finish for grey keyboards. I still really love this finish, so we will reserve it for special projects if there are any raw leftovers after finishing this group buy.
- We tweaked the pre-anodizing finishing process and are not polishing the top piece as to better preserve the original machining (and avoid that "melted" look) but polish the bottom to clear the rough machining marks. After polishing the bottom but *not* the top, we shot blast and then anodize. You can check out the silver finish below. For gray, we are color matching the original China gray sample and should have dye back from the lab this week or next
[attach=4][attach=5]
A quick note on emails and comms - the time I get each week to devote to Desk Candy is almost all going to M0110 production, and I'm prioritizing vendor communications and visits to keep the train rolling. There are definitely high priority customer communications I need to deal with, and I acknowledge some of slipped through the cracks while I've been heads down on production stuff. If you don't hear back from me by Wednesday, feel free to shoot a new email.
Thanks all.
Post by: Warrenified on Tue, 09 July 2019, 01:22:56
Post by: deskcandy on Tue, 09 July 2019, 01:44:36
Width - 338mm
Height - 145mm
Depth (max) - 44mm
Post by: KingzandBean on Tue, 09 July 2019, 10:31:36
Hey guys, long time no update but actually have a lot to update you guys on. My wife (yes, I've pulled her into this madness because she's really good at managing process) and I have been busy and put a ton of miles on our car traveling between vendors.These are hott
Cerakote
TL;DR - 4 units done, rest of unengraved in progress, then will start rest after engraving
- 4 unengraved units (light sand) are DONE. They look really good with the double layer painted approached we had to take because the machinist changed his tool path for production without telling me, which was a bit of a scare for the success of actually getting this GB done.
- These are going to ship out later this week to some of the early number orders who opted out of engraving - thank you! I feel really good about actually getting these out in your hands, even if it's just a small percentage to start. Getting the momentum of finishing a certain number of orders per week is really important.
- My Cerakote guy thinks he can get the rest of the unengraved units done by end of week, but I have to take that with a grain of salt. Don't count on all the unengraved boards being shipped out within a week. Maybe two or three at best given the rate he's working.
- I am still planning to send a board to janglad which has been specially engraved for him so he can independently inspect the Cerakote finish. This board has already been painted and repainted several times in order to get the finish right, and it should be good to go the next time I visit the Cerakote vendor. I am not waiting though to ship these 4 boards because I am confident in the quality of the finish that it is a step above the review unit manofinterests reviewed and honestly don't think you guys would want me to do anything to slow down getting boards in folks hands asap. You can check out the pictures yourselves.
(Attachment Link) (Attachment Link) (Attachment Link)
Anodized
TL;DR - Polishing is in progress, engraving comes next
- Based on your feedback in the last "big" update, we are not doing the shotpeen (rougher textured) finish for grey keyboards. I still really love this finish, so we will reserve it for special projects if there are any raw leftovers after finishing this group buy.
- We tweaked the pre-anodizing finishing process and are not polishing the top piece as to better preserve the original machining (and avoid that "melted" look) but polish the bottom to clear the rough machining marks. After polishing the bottom but *not* the top, we shot blast and then anodize. You can check out the silver finish below. For gray, we are color matching the original China gray sample and should have dye back from the lab this week or next
(Attachment Link) (Attachment Link)
A quick note on emails and comms - the time I get each week to devote to Desk Candy is almost all going to M0110 production, and I'm prioritizing vendor communications and visits to keep the train rolling. There are definitely high priority customer communications I need to deal with, and I acknowledge some of slipped through the cracks while I've been heads down on production stuff. If you don't hear back from me by Wednesday, feel free to shoot a new email.
Thanks all.
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Post by: laserbeamspewpew on Tue, 09 July 2019, 11:08:10
Post by: crowKAKAWWW on Tue, 09 July 2019, 20:56:47
Awesome update, looking forward to seeing the gray anodized :)
Post by: dantambok on Tue, 09 July 2019, 21:19:42
Post by: pixelpusher on Tue, 09 July 2019, 23:22:20
Quick question:
I've never had a cerakoted object before. In the photos, there are a lot of specks on the boards. If it was paint I would be worried b/c those specks (blobs of finish? dirt?) would chip off over time from wear and tear. Is it a different story for cerakote?
[attachimg=1]
Same thing goes with rough edges like this. Is it more durable b/c of the particular cerakote finish?
[attachimg=2]
It probably just looks rougher in the photos b/c they are so close up. I understand that the finish won't be "perfect." I just wanted to have an idea of how much imperfection to expect
Post by: ron310 on Wed, 10 July 2019, 07:20:12
[Group Buy] Kailh box white - pack of 65
[Group Buy] Modern M0110 Keyboard Kit
[Group Buy] Desk Candy Edition XD60 V3.0
[Group Buy] GMK Stabilizers 2u (2)
[Group Buy] GMK Stabilizers 7u
[Group Buy] Modern M0110 Assembly Service
It's anodized Space Grey
PM me
Post by: deskcandy on Wed, 10 July 2019, 11:13:03
Thanks for updating us. Good to see progress and some cerakote boards finally.
Quick question:
I've never had a cerakoted object before. In the photos, there are a lot of specks on the boards. If it was paint I would be worried b/c those specks (blobs of finish? dirt?) would chip off over time from wear and tear. Is it a different story for cerakote?
(Attachment Link)
Same thing goes with rough edges like this. Is it more durable b/c of the particular cerakote finish?
(Attachment Link)
It probably just looks rougher in the photos b/c they are so close up. I understand that the finish won't be "perfect." I just wanted to have an idea of how much imperfection to expect
Small flecks and imperfections like this are normal for Cerakote and other painted/sprayed on finishes like powder coating (although powder coats are usually so textured you never notice). They are less obvious for really small parts like gun slides (that's what my vendor specializes in), but for a part with a much bigger surface area like Modern M0110 they are inevitable. If anyone really wants after receiving their keyboard, they can go over the Cerakote finish with really high grit sandpaper like 2000+, but that's at your own discretion (and risk, as you could risk stripping the top layer and have the dark grey second layer of paint show from underneath).
Post by: DukeEsquire on Wed, 10 July 2019, 14:01:29
Thanks for updating us. Good to see progress and some cerakote boards finally.
Quick question:
I've never had a cerakoted object before. In the photos, there are a lot of specks on the boards. If it was paint I would be worried b/c those specks (blobs of finish? dirt?) would chip off over time from wear and tear. Is it a different story for cerakote?
(Attachment Link)
Same thing goes with rough edges like this. Is it more durable b/c of the particular cerakote finish?
(Attachment Link)
It probably just looks rougher in the photos b/c they are so close up. I understand that the finish won't be "perfect." I just wanted to have an idea of how much imperfection to expect
I think that is inherent with cerakote.
I know that Keycult was experimenting with cerakote and they were having difficulty getting an absolutely smooth surface.
Post by: pixelpusher on Wed, 10 July 2019, 14:12:13
Post by: ibabo on Thu, 11 July 2019, 11:39:59
Post by: gaustin on Thu, 11 July 2019, 21:12:42
Anyone interested in my spot.PM sent!
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PM me
Edit: Took ron310’s spot. Thanks!
Post by: break on Fri, 12 July 2019, 16:17:37
Post by: sibicle on Fri, 19 July 2019, 14:23:37
Post by: gminso on Sat, 27 July 2019, 00:38:36
Post by: dantambok on Sat, 27 July 2019, 01:33:38
Post by: pijo on Sun, 28 July 2019, 02:17:41
Post by: snaranda0305 on Sun, 28 July 2019, 21:56:00
Post by: mwahlig on Tue, 30 July 2019, 13:46:36
Post by: crowKAKAWWW on Fri, 02 August 2019, 16:03:41
Post by: nuclear_wizard on Wed, 07 August 2019, 14:38:56
Post by: NOLA on Thu, 08 August 2019, 09:27:02
Looking to sell my silver ano spot.
PMed
Post by: foxlive on Fri, 09 August 2019, 16:43:28
Post by: OtherAndrew on Mon, 12 August 2019, 14:51:16
Post by: MPAstudio on Tue, 20 August 2019, 02:45:22
Post by: crowKAKAWWW on Tue, 20 August 2019, 09:34:02
Post by: dantambok on Tue, 20 August 2019, 11:24:31
Post by: nuclear_wizard on Thu, 22 August 2019, 12:37:33
Post by: ibabo on Fri, 23 August 2019, 17:37:40
Post by: nulltorious on Fri, 23 August 2019, 20:20:13
Its been like 6-7 weeks with no update. What the heck is this
Poor communication efforts from the GB runner :(
Post by: your_fish_monger on Mon, 26 August 2019, 17:37:38
At this point, I am just assuming I am out the entire bill. As much as I want to support small group buys from motivated community members, I am probably only buying finished goods or going through MD/Drop for anything I buy in the future. What a mess.
Post by: pandemic123 on Tue, 27 August 2019, 00:41:04
Post by: Choobies on Tue, 27 August 2019, 02:02:24
Post by: dantambok on Tue, 27 August 2019, 03:20:14
Post by: ThomasTH on Tue, 27 August 2019, 03:47:57
Registered an account just now to express how completely frustrating this whole GB is. I first saw this project over on Reddit maybe 18-24 months ago and fell in love with the design. And I bought the whole enchilada: case, PCB, stabs, custom serial number, switches, assembly, the whole thing. I have asked for refunds on everything except for the case at this point but I haven't seen a dollar back.Even worse for me, my order was over 1000 usd AND i shipped him blue alps, brown alps etc worth ovet 300 USD for assembly.
At this point, I am just assuming I am out the entire bill. As much as I want to support small group buys from motivated community members, I am probably only buying finished goods or going through MD/Drop for anything I buy in the future. What a mess.
This GB, Alf x1.1 and xondat killed this hobby for me i have yo say, there's not much passion left.
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Post by: Starius on Tue, 27 August 2019, 09:04:58
Registered an account just now to express how completely frustrating this whole GB is. I first saw this project over on Reddit maybe 18-24 months ago and fell in love with the design. And I bought the whole enchilada: case, PCB, stabs, custom serial number, switches, assembly, the whole thing. I have asked for refunds on everything except for the case at this point but I haven't seen a dollar back.Even worse for me, my order was over 1000 usd AND i shipped him blue alps, brown alps etc worth ovet 300 USD for assembly.
At this point, I am just assuming I am out the entire bill. As much as I want to support small group buys from motivated community members, I am probably only buying finished goods or going through MD/Drop for anything I buy in the future. What a mess.
This GB, Alf x1.1 and xondat killed this hobby for me i have yo say, there's not much passion left.
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Thomas, I’m actually quite sorry you’ve had this kind of luck with the hobby. I’ve been more fortunate, but those experiences have definitely been fears of mine since the beginning. It really is the luck of the draw, I guess. That being said, this GB and the Lumina are current ones I’m in that have taken a long time.... and at this stage, I have to say I’m not too disheartened just yet. Not every GB is going to run smoothly, and I still expect the Modern M0110 and the Lumina to arrive some day.
The one aspect I do take a bit of a issue with is not how long these GBs take, but the lack of consistent communication throughout the process.
I know there isn’t always new information to report, but consistent communication can go a long way to fostering good will during long stretches of a GB.
Post by: break on Tue, 27 August 2019, 09:43:43
Post by: your_fish_monger on Tue, 27 August 2019, 14:25:14
The one aspect I do take a bit of a issue with is not how long these GBs take, but the lack of consistent communication throughout the process.
I know there isn’t always new information to report, but consistent communication can go a long way to fostering good will during long stretches of a GB.
And I think that's what I would want most at this point. Give us an update every Friday or the weekly progress, what's coming up next, and if timeline expectations have shifted again. I have to hit deadlines left and right in my own career. Just wish the GB runner would let us know what is happening with some kind of regular frequency at this point. It's absurd to wait 2-3 months between a short update. Bite the bullet and tell us what's going on already.
Post by: dantambok on Tue, 27 August 2019, 20:10:07
And I think that's what I would want most at this point. Give us an update every Friday or the weekly progress, what's coming up next, and if timeline expectations have shifted again. I have to hit deadlines left and right in my own career. Just wish the GB runner would let us know what is happening with some kind of regular frequency at this point. It's absurd to wait 2-3 months between a short update. Bite the bullet and tell us what's going on already.
Asking for a weekly update is too much. No GB runner does that, I think? Once a month would be more than enough tho. :confused:
Post by: crowKAKAWWW on Tue, 27 August 2019, 20:30:50
And I think that's what I would want most at this point. Give us an update every Friday or the weekly progress, what's coming up next, and if timeline expectations have shifted again. I have to hit deadlines left and right in my own career. Just wish the GB runner would let us know what is happening with some kind of regular frequency at this point. It's absurd to wait 2-3 months between a short update. Bite the bullet and tell us what's going on already.
Asking for a weekly update is too much. No GB runner does that, I think? Once a month would be more than enough tho. :confused:
The kotai case gb runner made weekly posts from start to end, probably the best communication I've ever seen with group buys.
Post by: geewiz on Wed, 28 August 2019, 05:49:31
The kotai case gb runner made weekly posts from start to end, probably the best communication I've ever seen with group buys.
IMHO something in between weekly and monthly is the appropriate update frequency you owe to the people whose money is resting in your accounts.
Post by: nuclear_wizard on Wed, 28 August 2019, 11:08:31
Registered an account just now to express how completely frustrating this whole GB is. I first saw this project over on Reddit maybe 18-24 months ago and fell in love with the design. And I bought the whole enchilada: case, PCB, stabs, custom serial number, switches, assembly, the whole thing. I have asked for refunds on everything except for the case at this point but I haven't seen a dollar back.
At this point, I am just assuming I am out the entire bill. As much as I want to support small group buys from motivated community members, I am probably only buying finished goods or going through MD/Drop for anything I buy in the future. What a mess.
The first day of the GB was 29/06/18; so be real, you've only had money on the line for 13 months tops. You really can't complain about being invested for 18-24 months: some boards are in IC for years, but have a relatively short period between GB and fulfillment. Should people pledging to those complain that they saw the board 3 years ago when the GB was only 2 months ago?
That being said, the communication in this GB has been terrible, and I can't help but feel like the hype associated with this GB was urged on by a lot of people pointing out around the time of the GB that "big names in the community" vouched for and helped out with getting Desk Candy up (somewhat legitimizing it). That was used to dispel very real and serious concerns with a first time GB runner taking on such an ambitious project, but then these "big names" could disappear and/or claim ignorance because they aren't actually involved, letting a first-time GB runner flounder and deal with the fallout without any repercussions themselves. I know I'll be considering these red flags for GBs in the future. Anyways, just a rant, but I feel like if your name is prominently displayed (in any way other than a "thanks for helping me get this together") and used to market the product, then you bear some responsibility for the success/failure of the GB.
His last response was on July 10th, with one before that explaining that his time is packed with driving vendor to vendor to make ends meet and actually get the things made. He showed pictures of prototypes. Think about it, if he were scamming us, why would he bother spending more money to actually make prototypes to show us pictures of? We're all in past the point of return with any PayPal return window, so he should just run off with the money. We're all in the same boat here. Why choose to assume the worst and get upset, and in doing so cause yourself unnecessary headache and heartache, right now, for something that might not even be true? If you (and all of us) do get completely shafted, then yeah, then we'll feel bad together, if it happens. For me, I'm assuming the best, because if it works out, I didn't experience any headache or heartache through any of the process.
Being positive isn't what people are complaining about though. Expressing your disappointment with how this GB is being run has proven time and time again to be the only way to get any updates. As far as "running off with our money" I don't think anyone is suggesting that; it's that based on the progress seen so far, there is not much to suggest that we will get a product that is up to the quality of the product initially shown to us. I doubt anyone is thinking this GB was a "scam" or a money grab, it has just run into so many problems that getting the product we paid for seems like a slim possibility at this point even if it is fulfilled. Do I think that we will eventually get a board from this: yes, but will it be the board we were all hoping it would be? That's less certain to me, and discussing that isn't being negative for no reason, it's a legitimate criticism of the updates and work shown so far which I think is worth a discussion.
Registered an account just now to express how completely frustrating this whole GB is. I first saw this project over on Reddit maybe 18-24 months ago and fell in love with the design. And I bought the whole enchilada: case, PCB, stabs, custom serial number, switches, assembly, the whole thing. I have asked for refunds on everything except for the case at this point but I haven't seen a dollar back.Even worse for me, my order was over 1000 usd AND i shipped him blue alps, brown alps etc worth ovet 300 USD for assembly.
At this point, I am just assuming I am out the entire bill. As much as I want to support small group buys from motivated community members, I am probably only buying finished goods or going through MD/Drop for anything I buy in the future. What a mess.
This GB, Alf x1.1 and xondat killed this hobby for me i have yo say, there's not much passion left.
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That's a lot of cheddar on one GB... Maybe the takeaway here is not to throw too much money at someone who doesn't have a track record of successful GBs in the future. I'm sorry that these projects have left you feeling disillusioned with the hobby, but please don't let the few GBs that went under dampen your enthusiasm for keyboards as a whole! Hopefully you can at least ask for your switches to be shipped back to you in a timely manner.
Post by: dwarflemur on Wed, 28 August 2019, 12:30:10
Post by: DukeEsquire on Wed, 28 August 2019, 12:41:53
I'm a little lost on what the remaining "to do" list was. I thought i was basically done except for that engraving issue and the the GB runner goes silent.
Post by: nuclear_wizard on Wed, 28 August 2019, 12:45:56
At the end of the day you gotta remember that this is just some dude who probably has a day job running this. On top of working full time managing a big group buy sounds like a giant pain in the butt. Sure, the communication hasn't been great, but giving updates all the time that say "nothing really to update right now" is just going to make people agitated as well. Patience is something you absolutely need to have for these group buys, especially if it's the person's first time doing it. I haven't seen anything here that really sets off red flags for me, and I'm pretty sure that eventually I'll end up with a keyboard that I'm very happy with.And you have to remember that this dude isn't doing this out of the kindness of his own heart. He has A LOT of our money tied up in this project. I can respect that this is a passion project being brought to life in a guy's spare time (and caveat emptor and all that), but that doesn't mean the project should be immune from any criticism or people should just be grateful to get anything at all. You may be fine with how things are progressing, but the multiple comments asking for updates and offering criticism of what's been shown so far demonstrate that there are many who aren't happy with this project. The radio silence from the GB runner on these points is what people have a problem with. I also understand when delays happen, but there's a massive difference between the way this project and say Norbauer's Norbaforce cases were run while the delays in the timeline are very similar.
I also love how when anyone brings up the timeline of a GB being too long, the "old men" coming out of the woodwork telling everyone that they should be used to projects dragging on because once they waited two years for a board and loved it, so these "people who haven't been in many GBs should just learn some patience." It's like a weird badge of honor to have waited more than a year for a product to come out when the other people in the thread just want more consistent updates or actual movement on the project. Wouldn't you actually prefer to get your product sooner or at least know where the project is at currently? As has been noted, it's been 6-7 weeks since the last update.
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Post by: crowKAKAWWW on Wed, 28 August 2019, 13:22:57
I'm a little lost on what the remaining "to do" list was. I thought i was basically done except for that engraving issue and the the GB runner goes silent.
We're still waiting for anodization samples, so as far as I know, only 4 cerakoted boards are done, and 0 anodized boards are done.
Post by: nguyenhimself on Wed, 28 August 2019, 13:56:47
Keeping the production within the US is the #1 mistake here IMO. Are we still waiting for that one guy to return to work? Been so long I can’t even recall anymore.
Waiting a year for a GB to finish is not unheard of, but that should not be the norm.
Post by: dwarflemur on Wed, 28 August 2019, 14:22:21
Why do I have a feeling that the VN66, also an M0110-inspired case, will probably ship before this one?Aren’t they only making like ten of the VN66?
Keeping the production within the US is the #1 mistake here IMO. Are we still waiting for that one guy to return to work? Been so long I can’t even recall anymore.
Waiting a year for a GB to finish is not unheard of, but that should not be the norm.
Post by: your_fish_monger on Thu, 29 August 2019, 17:10:28
We're still waiting for anodization samples, so as far as I know, only 4 cerakoted boards are done, and 0 anodized boards are done.
And therein lies the issue. Since it's been over a month I think since the last update, we have zero visibility into whether or not those numbers have moved at all. We have no clue what the progress is.
I work with a phenomenal project manager at my corporate gig. And every week, we get a status of a critical launch we're on that says (1) here is what we achieved last week, (2) here is the progress overall in the launch, (3) here is what the milestones are next week, and (4) here are any issues we are monitoring that could jeopardize deadlines.
I get that the GB runner is likely doing this on the side. But as others have pointed out, there is a serious amount of cash in their pocket from the community. All we have to show for that investment right now is samples not matching what was promised originally, a lack of meaningful updates/progress/communication, and no end in sight for eventual resolution and delivery of what we all paid for. It's just unacceptable.
Post by: The_Royal on Sat, 31 August 2019, 16:23:00
Hope everyone receives their boards, eventually.
Post by: deskcandy on Mon, 02 September 2019, 18:36:10
Sorry for taking a while since the last update! Things are moving along, although slower than I would have liked. Here are the salient points for you to know:
- Metal polishing for anodized units is done. We will start engraving all engraved orders this week or next. Some of the (custom) engraving files had issues and we have to edit them individually to ensure that they don’t come out weird (overlapping lines) on the laser.
- Some of the initial unengraved Cerakote keyboards have to repainted, because they had a slight discoloration on the right side. I am bringing them back to my vendor this week, and he should have the rest of the unengraved units for me. If your keyboard is good to go colorwise, then you will receive a shipping address confirmation from me soon - it has been a bit since we ran the GB and I want to double check shipping addresses for every order so we don’t have any missing keyboards :)
- I haven’t shipped the unengraved Cerakote units yet because I had to reorder some of the screws and also had to order screw taps. I have to retap each screw hole on each keyboard myself by hand to ensure that you don’t have any screws break off in the keyboard. My Cerakote vendor plugs the screw holes when they paint the keyboards, but it’s impossible to prevent 100% of the Cerakote liquid from getting in and would rather play it safe.
Please let me know if you have any questions and thanks as always for your patience.
Best regards,
John
Post by: your_fish_monger on Mon, 02 September 2019, 19:19:39
Hey folks,
Sorry for taking a while since the last update! Things are moving along, although slower than I would have liked. Here are the salient points for you to know:
- Metal polishing for anodized units is done. We will start engraving all engraved orders this week or next. Some of the (custom) engraving files had issues and we have to edit them individually to ensure that they don’t come out weird (overlapping lines) on the laser.
- Some of the initial unengraved Cerakote keyboards have to repainted, because they had a slight discoloration on the right side. I am bringing them back to my vendor this week, and he should have the rest of the unengraved units for me. If your keyboard is good to go colorwise, then you will receive a shipping address confirmation from me soon - it has been a bit since we ran the GB and I want to double check shipping addresses for every order so we don’t have any missing keyboards :)
- I haven’t shipped the unengraved Cerakote units yet because I had to reorder some of the screws and also had to order screw taps. I have to retap each screw hole on each keyboard myself by hand to ensure that you don’t have any screws break off in the keyboard. My Cerakote vendor plugs the screw holes when they paint the keyboards, but it’s impossible to prevent 100% of the Cerakote liquid from getting in and would rather play it safe.
Please let me know if you have any questions and thanks as always for your patience.
Best regards,
John
Can you quote us timing expectations on some of the items you have outlined above? And can you commit to an update every two weeks so or so? There's about two pages of responses from us here in the GB unhappy with the progress and frequency of communication since your last post.
Post by: dead_pixel_design on Mon, 02 September 2019, 19:24:52
Post by: ibabo on Mon, 02 September 2019, 20:05:38
Post by: KingzandBean on Tue, 03 September 2019, 10:27:49
Please don't set time expectationsAgreed, it'll just give people more to stress about and make it harder to send out updates which is I think what the people really want
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Post by: dwarflemur on Tue, 03 September 2019, 12:00:46
Please don't set time expectations+1
Post by: your_fish_monger on Mon, 09 September 2019, 14:33:51
https://www.instagram.com/p/B2LQLZGHbLB/
Post by: deskcandy on Sun, 15 September 2019, 01:00:24
The big remaining TODOs are:
- Running rest of engraving (it should only take 1-2 days but it's been taking really long to triple check every file to make sure the engravings including all the custom ones don't come out messed up). We think the "standard" engraving file is good to go as of earlier this week but we'll do another test engrave on aluminum to be 100% sure.
- Anodizing everything post-engraving (including non-engraved since anodizing has to be done in one big batch)
- Cerakote all the engraved boards (plus redo some nonengraved--unfortunately some of you who opted out of engraving have to keep waiting a bit longer since some of the colors came out uneven and are unacceptable)
I know that sounds like a lot, but trust me that the engraving and anodizing vendors work really really fast and are really professional (they are legit industrial companies with real corporate clients and work really efficiently from what I've seen so far). The bottleneck is unfortunately probably going to be on me. Each order without assembly service takes me at least 30 minutes and maybe closer to an hour to pack because I am polishing each brass plate and retapping each screw hole by hand, myself. It's really hard to find anyone in my area to do that kind of work at a high level of quality in such a small quantity at a price I can afford without losing more money on the GB. So it sounds kind of ridiculous but you're getting a lot of my own sweat in each keyboard (literally since it's been in the high 80s / 90s where my workshop is in LA lately) so there will be a slow burn of rolling this out to y'all.
Just a heads up to everyone too--I am going to confirm each order before I ship. This GB has taken a while and there's been a lot of back and forth with each of you, and I can't really afford to send out the wrong orders to people at this point!
Have a great rest of your weekend everyone and hope that was useful.
Post by: pandemic123 on Sun, 15 September 2019, 01:35:01
Post by: dantambok on Sun, 15 September 2019, 07:40:05
Post by: ringzero on Fri, 20 September 2019, 20:16:07
Post by: pandemic123 on Sat, 21 September 2019, 14:57:22
images of defect and poor match to advertised render: https://imgur.com/a/ER21USe
Post by: lukelex on Sat, 21 September 2019, 15:01:46
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Post by: clik_clak on Sat, 21 September 2019, 15:08:52
Got my rose gold, looks nothing like the renders, has a noticeable scratch and brass plate is in bad condition. given the immense wait I'm quite disappointed.
images of defect and poor match to advertised render: https://imgur.com/a/ER21USe
(https://media.giphy.com/media/l0EtNRPt6ht795TAA/giphy.gif)
Post by: crowKAKAWWW on Sat, 21 September 2019, 15:43:41
Post by: MacSurfy on Sat, 21 September 2019, 15:59:43
Maybe if you trade your GMK Olivia with GMK Sandstorm it will be all right?
Post by: Krelbit on Sat, 21 September 2019, 16:28:39
Post by: dingusxmcgee on Sat, 21 September 2019, 16:29:12
Got my rose gold, looks nothing like the renders, has a noticeable scratch and brass plate is in bad condition. given the immense wait I'm quite disappointed.
images of defect and poor match to advertised render: https://imgur.com/a/ER21USe
That’s a Y I K E S
Post by: clik_clak on Sat, 21 September 2019, 16:35:17
Wow that looks like :eek:
Maybe if you trade your GMK Olivia with GMK Sandstorm it will be all right?
That shouldn't have even passed QC. I can understand slight variances, but that isn't even close. That can't be called rose gold in any way.
Post by: ibabo on Sat, 21 September 2019, 18:29:34
Post by: deskcandy on Sat, 21 September 2019, 18:34:07
The problem here is that for the Cerakote color option, I asked for customers to give me specific Cerakote color codes (e.g., "H-142 Light Sand" in the H-series of Cerakote). Unfortunately, Rose Gold is not an official Cerakote color, and my vendor improvised. The rendering referenced in the imgur link was not meant to represent any specific Cerakote color and I'm sorry that was confusing for folks. That rendering by janglad was also shiny, and Cerakote is always a matte finish, the only way for us to get that kind of semi-gloss / shiny finish would be through anodizing or some other kind of surface finish.
Happy to answer other questions here, but I don't anticipate problems with other custom colors (where we have a specific Cerakote color code) or standard Cerakote or anodized colors. We are doing what we can with the resources we have at our disposal and are focusing on keeping the entire group buy moving.
Post by: deskcandy on Sat, 21 September 2019, 18:38:42
Post by: pandemic123 on Sat, 21 September 2019, 19:47:01
Post by: pixelpusher on Sat, 21 September 2019, 20:08:07
It’s getting taken care of already which is good. I love the color but Certainly understand wanting a replacement.
Post by: lukelex on Sun, 22 September 2019, 02:47:41
Hey folks, I've reached out to pandemic123 via email and offered them the option of a return.Hey John,
The problem here is that for the Cerakote color option, I asked for customers to give me specific Cerakote color codes (e.g., "H-142 Light Sand" in the H-series of Cerakote). Unfortunately, Rose Gold is not an official Cerakote color, and my vendor improvised. The rendering referenced in the imgur link was not meant to represent any specific Cerakote color and I'm sorry that was confusing for folks. That rendering by janglad was also shiny, and Cerakote is always a matte finish, the only way for us to get that kind of semi-gloss / shiny finish would be through anodizing or some other kind of surface finish.
Happy to answer other questions here, but I don't anticipate problems with other custom colors (where we have a specific Cerakote color code) or standard Cerakote or anodized colors. We are doing what we can with the resources we have at our disposal and are focusing on keeping the entire group buy moving.
I'd appreciate if you could follow up on my 4 month, 3 month and 1 month old emails about taking over a spot on this GB.
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Post by: pandemic123 on Mon, 23 September 2019, 19:34:59
Post by: sibicle on Sat, 28 September 2019, 18:35:43
Anyone have a suggestion of the best PCB to get that is compatible? Would like QMK, USB C, Bluetooth (!?!?), ESC key 4XRGB (if such a thing is possible)
Thanks
Post by: ibabo on Sat, 28 September 2019, 18:50:44
Super jazzed to get my board! Dunno what's with all the haters.If you are down with hotswap, I know cannon keys has a nice tsangan 60% with backlight, through switch rgb, and usb-c
Anyone have a suggestion of the best PCB to get that is compatible? Would like QMK, USB C, Bluetooth (!?!?), ESC key 4XRGB (if such a thing is possible)
Thanks
Ps. POST A PIC!!! I wanna see
Post by: deskcandy on Sun, 29 September 2019, 21:01:04
Other than that, still shipping out unengraved Cerakote boards and repainting some of them.
Post by: pixelpusher on Sun, 29 September 2019, 21:06:32
Hey folks, quick update here. We are trying to run 30 engravings this week - it's a bit difficult to set up time with the engraver but we're hoping to get it done this coming Friday so we can get more Cerakote boards done. Anodizing will have to wait until *all* engraving is done for boards to be anodized because it has to be done in a single batch.
Other than that, still shipping out unengraved Cerakote boards and repainting some of them.
thankyee for the updoot
Post by: deskcandy on Sun, 29 September 2019, 21:11:37
Here's a picture of a Crimson Red Cerakote keyboard for you guys. Sadly this one has to be repainted because the paint job was a bit too light on the right side and uneven (you can't see in this picture). Notice the machining marks on the inside. We feel good about getting them out on the other surfaces of the keyboard but there was pretty much no way to get them out on the inside of the bottom without ruining all definition (i.e., "sharpness" of the cuts). I think it looks kinda cool actually so you can get a feeling of the "raw" output of the manufacturing process.
Post by: dantambok on Sun, 29 September 2019, 21:22:40
:thumb:
Here's a picture of a Crimson Red Cerakote keyboard for you guys. Sadly this one has to be repainted because the paint job was a bit too light on the right side and uneven (you can't see in this picture). Notice the machining marks on the inside. We feel good about getting them out on the other surfaces of the keyboard but there was pretty much no way to get them out on the inside of the bottom without ruining all definition (i.e., "sharpness" of the cuts). I think it looks kinda cool actually so you can get a feeling of the "raw" output of the manufacturing process.
oh damn is that mine? :))
Post by: deskcandy on Sun, 29 September 2019, 21:27:09
:thumb:
Here's a picture of a Crimson Red Cerakote keyboard for you guys. Sadly this one has to be repainted because the paint job was a bit too light on the right side and uneven (you can't see in this picture). Notice the machining marks on the inside. We feel good about getting them out on the other surfaces of the keyboard but there was pretty much no way to get them out on the inside of the bottom without ruining all definition (i.e., "sharpness" of the cuts). I think it looks kinda cool actually so you can get a feeling of the "raw" output of the manufacturing process.
oh damn is that mine? :))
Yeah it
Post by: Willhurt2008 on Mon, 30 September 2019, 01:06:53
Post by: FearsomeCubedWarrior on Mon, 30 September 2019, 02:29:55
Post by: dantambok on Mon, 30 September 2019, 03:18:04
:thumb:
Here's a picture of a Crimson Red Cerakote keyboard for you guys. Sadly this one has to be repainted because the paint job was a bit too light on the right side and uneven (you can't see in this picture). Notice the machining marks on the inside. We feel good about getting them out on the other surfaces of the keyboard but there was pretty much no way to get them out on the inside of the bottom without ruining all definition (i.e., "sharpness" of the cuts). I think it looks kinda cool actually so you can get a feeling of the "raw" output of the manufacturing process.
oh damn is that mine? :))
Yeah itiswas but it doesn't pass QA, sorry dude :-[ We will hopefully have it fixed soon though! It looks really great except for the right side's defect.
oh dang! Anyway, that's fine. I'd rather wait for the right one :thumb:
Post by: pandemic123 on Mon, 07 October 2019, 10:32:59
Post by: ibabo on Mon, 14 October 2019, 14:07:51
Post by: dead_pixel_design on Mon, 14 October 2019, 14:22:38
Any updates?
Yep!
"Hey folks, mini update here! I just packed a few keyboards. I'm really happy because there were a few remaining things I needed in order to make sure each order was "shippable" and complete (having all the screws, hex wrenches, polybags so the keyboard doesn't smudge, etc) so I can actually pack them as they are ready from my vendors. This took me WAY longer than I expected because I was triple checking everything (specs and quantities) and had to order from a bunch of different vendors and check a bunch of different prices and options. Anyways...since this was discussed earlier:
The big remaining TODOs are:
- Running rest of engraving (it should only take 1-2 days but it's been taking really long to triple check every file to make sure the engravings including all the custom ones don't come out messed up). We think the "standard" engraving file is good to go as of earlier this week but we'll do another test engrave on aluminum to be 100% sure.
- Anodizing everything post-engraving (including non-engraved since anodizing has to be done in one big batch)
- Cerakote all the engraved boards (plus redo some nonengraved--unfortunately some of you who opted out of engraving have to keep waiting a bit longer since some of the colors came out uneven and are unacceptable)
I know that sounds like a lot, but trust me that the engraving and anodizing vendors work really really fast and are really professional (they are legit industrial companies with real corporate clients and work really efficiently from what I've seen so far). The bottleneck is unfortunately probably going to be on me. Each order without assembly service takes me at least 30 minutes and maybe closer to an hour to pack because I am polishing each brass plate and retapping each screw hole by hand, myself. It's really hard to find anyone in my area to do that kind of work at a high level of quality in such a small quantity at a price I can afford without losing more money on the GB. So it sounds kind of ridiculous but you're getting a lot of my own sweat in each keyboard (literally since it's been in the high 80s / 90s where my workshop is in LA lately) so there will be a slow burn of rolling this out to y'all.
Just a heads up to everyone too--I am going to confirm each order before I ship. This GB has taken a while and there's been a lot of back and forth with each of you, and I can't really afford to send out the wrong orders to people at this point!
Have a great rest of your weekend everyone and hope that was useful."
Post by: pixelpusher on Mon, 14 October 2019, 15:50:10
Post by: PhishyStix on Mon, 14 October 2019, 17:14:20
I've always received email updates from John, but I didn't get this last one. Thanks for posting
That's because this wasn't an email update, its from John's post a month ago.
Post by: ibabo on Mon, 14 October 2019, 20:16:46
I see what you did thereAny updates?
Yep!
"Hey folks, mini update here! I just packed a few keyboards. I'm really happy because there were a few remaining things I needed in order to make sure each order was "shippable" and complete (having all the screws, hex wrenches, polybags so the keyboard doesn't smudge, etc) so I can actually pack them as they are ready from my vendors. This took me WAY longer than I expected because I was triple checking everything (specs and quantities) and had to order from a bunch of different vendors and check a bunch of different prices and options. Anyways...since this was discussed earlier:
The big remaining TODOs are:
- Running rest of engraving (it should only take 1-2 days but it's been taking really long to triple check every file to make sure the engravings including all the custom ones don't come out messed up). We think the "standard" engraving file is good to go as of earlier this week but we'll do another test engrave on aluminum to be 100% sure.
- Anodizing everything post-engraving (including non-engraved since anodizing has to be done in one big batch)
- Cerakote all the engraved boards (plus redo some nonengraved--unfortunately some of you who opted out of engraving have to keep waiting a bit longer since some of the colors came out uneven and are unacceptable)
I know that sounds like a lot, but trust me that the engraving and anodizing vendors work really really fast and are really professional (they are legit industrial companies with real corporate clients and work really efficiently from what I've seen so far). The bottleneck is unfortunately probably going to be on me. Each order without assembly service takes me at least 30 minutes and maybe closer to an hour to pack because I am polishing each brass plate and retapping each screw hole by hand, myself. It's really hard to find anyone in my area to do that kind of work at a high level of quality in such a small quantity at a price I can afford without losing more money on the GB. So it sounds kind of ridiculous but you're getting a lot of my own sweat in each keyboard (literally since it's been in the high 80s / 90s where my workshop is in LA lately) so there will be a slow burn of rolling this out to y'all.
Just a heads up to everyone too--I am going to confirm each order before I ship. This GB has taken a while and there's been a lot of back and forth with each of you, and I can't really afford to send out the wrong orders to people at this point!
Have a great rest of your weekend everyone and hope that was useful."
Post by: nuclear_wizard on Tue, 15 October 2019, 09:45:21
Looking to sell my silver ano spot.
Post by: ilikerustoo on Wed, 16 October 2019, 20:42:08
Post by: lakeboredom on Thu, 17 October 2019, 03:59:36
Post by: dead_pixel_design on Thu, 17 October 2019, 14:55:12
Looking to purchase someones kit, pm me.
Did you reach out to nuclear_wizard?
Post by: lakeboredom on Thu, 17 October 2019, 14:58:31
No not yet, just wanted to get that message out there quick.Looking to purchase someones kit, pm me.
Did you reach out to nuclear_wizard?
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Post by: deskcandy on Fri, 18 October 2019, 01:03:41
Post by: crowKAKAWWW on Mon, 21 October 2019, 14:45:00
Post by: beekey on Tue, 22 October 2019, 00:50:46
Post by: ibabo on Wed, 30 October 2019, 13:44:50
Post by: FRANCO on Sun, 03 November 2019, 10:08:19
Post by: USER9127 on Mon, 04 November 2019, 09:58:31
I respect the amount of work that has gone into this GB, and the attention to detail put into even the most minor details. Its been a pretty impressive and harrowing process, and I think many lessons were learned in dealing with Onshore vs Offshore suppliers.
That being said, the process for keeping the stakeholders informed has been quite opaque, unfortunately. Even a quick post that says, "Hey all, no updates this week, still waiting to hear from X", or something like: "Quick update, Vendor has updated Estimated time of Pickup to Y" would give us some feedback and feel on how the project is progressing.
Feel free to let me know why this would be a bad idea, but in general I find transparency is key to keep milestones on track, and to keep everyone's enthusiasm up. I am very impressed with your attention to detail on the build process from your previous updates, I am just asking for micro updates in between the major ones (if it takes longer than 5 minutes to write, its too long ;D)
Thanks man for your hard work. I am sure we are all looking forward to the next update.
Post by: lukelex on Mon, 04 November 2019, 10:56:52
Hey DeskCandy, as we get closer to the end, can we get just quick updates, like every week or so? Even if just a sentence or two, there is no need to post an epic. It would just be nice to have a quick update of current Step, next step, and current count complete.Seconded
I respect the amount of work that has gone into this GB, and the attention to detail put into even the most minor details. Its been a pretty impressive and harrowing process, and I think many lessons were learned in dealing with Onshore vs Offshore suppliers.
That being said, the process for keeping the stakeholders informed has been quite opaque, unfortunately. Even a quick post that says, "Hey all, no updates this week, still waiting to hear from X", or something like: "Quick update, Vendor has updated Estimated time of Pickup to Y" would give us some feedback and feel on how the project is progressing.
Feel free to let me know why this would be a bad idea, but in general I find transparency is key to keep milestones on track, and to keep everyone's enthusiasm up. I am very impressed with your attention to detail on the build process from your previous updates, I am just asking for micro updates in between the major ones (if it takes longer than 5 minutes to write, its too long ;D)
Thanks man for your hard work. I am sure we are all looking forward to the next update.
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Post by: Perfex on Wed, 06 November 2019, 00:30:44
https://www.instagram.com/p/B4GeJmOAAEd/?utm_source=ig_web_copy_link
Post by: dead_pixel_design on Wed, 06 November 2019, 15:32:36
Here is sort of an update:
https://www.instagram.com/p/B4GeJmOAAEd/?utm_source=ig_web_copy_link
Wow. How profoundly disappointing after the renders promised this recessed/bossed type:
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Post by: biothermal on Wed, 06 November 2019, 15:51:35
Here is sort of an update:
https://www.instagram.com/p/B4GeJmOAAEd/?utm_source=ig_web_copy_link
Wow. How profoundly disappointing after the renders promised this recessed/bossed type:
(Attachment Link)
Ehhh I'd hold out on being disappointed by the engraving. To me that looks like a picture from the initial part of the process--they go over the design countless times and in the end it actually should look like the render you posted...
Post by: ilikerustoo on Wed, 06 November 2019, 15:56:41
Post by: schlep on Sat, 16 November 2019, 06:51:33
Post by: crowKAKAWWW on Sat, 16 November 2019, 15:26:15
Post by: ibabo on Sat, 16 November 2019, 15:28:49
Post by: ilikerustoo on Sat, 16 November 2019, 15:42:10
Post by: dantambok on Sun, 17 November 2019, 02:38:20
I would be happy to get my keyboard at all, I'm honestly pretty sketched out at this point
I think we’ll receive them eventually. I mean, they just need to be finished. I believe.
Post by: Poesjuh on Sun, 17 November 2019, 05:06:07
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Post by: ibabo on Thu, 21 November 2019, 14:07:46
Post by: DukeEsquire on Thu, 21 November 2019, 14:27:54
The manufacturers in China know what they're doing because they do this day in and day out.
Post by: crowKAKAWWW on Thu, 21 November 2019, 14:49:28
Post by: lukelex on Thu, 21 November 2019, 14:51:46
The wait would be more tolerable if there was some kind of commitment to communication. It doesn't feel great when your messages seemingly fall into a black hole :SBut but but it's an American made black hole
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Post by: pixelpusher on Thu, 21 November 2019, 15:26:31
Ironically, this whole debacle is a demonstration of why "Made in USA" is not always a good thing.
The manufacturers in China know what they're doing because they do this day in and day out.
I mean, you're not wrong. But China manufacturing has issues as well. (as i wait here for over a year on my xeno board)
Post by: DukeEsquire on Thu, 21 November 2019, 15:36:31
Ironically, this whole debacle is a demonstration of why "Made in USA" is not always a good thing.
The manufacturers in China know what they're doing because they do this day in and day out.
I mean, you're not wrong. But China manufacturing has issues as well. (as i wait here for over a year on my xeno board)
To be clear, I didn't mean every single manufacturer in China knows what they are doing.
Post by: your_fish_monger on Sun, 24 November 2019, 18:21:14
I don’t know Heroy but do know Janglad and he’s for one not a scammer and two extremely disappointed with the delay and feels **** about it. I didn’t join but have full confidence that you will receive your boards, don’t ask me when though.
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It sure would be nice to hear those things directly from the GB runners rather than word of mouth through other folks. The wait is one thing, but the complete lack of visibility into progress and accountability is a straight up embarrassment at this point. Without a doubt, I will never use or trust Desk Candy again. I'm not yet to the point of calling them scammers yet, but it's not too far away at this point.
Post by: ibabo on Mon, 25 November 2019, 15:37:09
Post by: crowKAKAWWW on Thu, 28 November 2019, 13:45:24
Post by: lukelex on Thu, 28 November 2019, 13:51:13
Who's BOX browns do I have to lube to get an update around here?God's. Apparently
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Post by: broden on Thu, 28 November 2019, 14:00:03
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Post by: crowKAKAWWW on Thu, 28 November 2019, 14:09:22
Who's BOX browns do I have to lube to get an update around here?God's. Apparently
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I'll use the extra thick Christ-o lube mcg
Post by: ibabo on Fri, 29 November 2019, 20:18:40
Im going to start bumping this thread every day, every few hours if i have to
Post by: dantambok on Sat, 30 November 2019, 01:42:40
This is beyond ridiculous, how many have actually shipped. I feel like everyone's in the dark
Im going to start bumping this thread every day, every few hours if i have to
haha that's the spirit!
Post by: zxcvbn on Sat, 30 November 2019, 08:17:25
Post by: Dumblescore on Sat, 30 November 2019, 11:37:12
While waiting on my light sand Cerakote I have since had gotten married, had a baby, and moved. Looking forward to an email confirming my new shipping address.Aw congratulations!
Post by: ibabo on Sat, 30 November 2019, 18:42:52
Post by: crowKAKAWWW on Tue, 03 December 2019, 12:22:44
We'd be really happy to hear from you, even a status update letting us know that not much has happened would be great. We just want to know you're around.
Post by: dantambok on Tue, 03 December 2019, 19:10:49
:-[
Post by: ibabo on Wed, 04 December 2019, 15:06:55
Post by: biothermal on Wed, 04 December 2019, 15:17:22
Hopefully that means there's an update to come sometime after Friday.
Post by: dwarflemur on Wed, 04 December 2019, 15:52:21
Post by: PhishyStix on Thu, 05 December 2019, 16:09:48
At this point it doesn't seem like constantly spamming the thread is doing much...
Probably not, but people are rightfully agitated that we seem to be actively ignored on a GB that's over a year delayed. What updates we do get are only a 4-5 day projection and then silence for over a month and a half at a time only for us to get an update that the 4-5 day projection hasn't even been met. We were assured (at least those of us with anodized boards) that it would move fast as soon as everything was engraved. Back in September he said that running the engraving should only take a few days, we then get a conflicting update a month later saying that he's going to do another 20 engravings the next day?! So it seems like that whenever we do get one of these rare updates, we can't even trust the accuracy of the projection. I don't think it would be ridiculous to want more transparency on whats going on with production. He really needs to just have a running counter that he posts weekly of; # of boards waiting to be engraved and # of boards waiting cerakote (no counter for anodizing since thats going to be run in one batch when all engraving is finished) and # of boards completed and shipped.
Post by: Choobies on Thu, 05 December 2019, 17:11:07
At this point it doesn't seem like constantly spamming the thread is doing much...
Probably not, but people are rightfully agitated that we seem to be actively ignored on a GB that's over a year delayed. What updates we do get are only a 4-5 day projection and then silence for over a month and a half at a time only for us to get an update that the 4-5 day projection hasn't even been met. We were assured (at least those of us with anodized boards) that it would move fast as soon as everything was engraved. Back in September he said that running the engraving should only take a few days, we then get a conflicting update a month later saying that he's going to do another 20 engravings the next day?! So it seems like that whenever we do get one of these rare updates, we can't even trust the accuracy of the projection. I don't think it would be ridiculous to want more transparency on whats going on with production. He really needs to just have a running counter that he posts weekly of; # of boards waiting to be engraved and # of boards waiting cerakote (no counter for anodizing since thats going to be run in one batch when all engraving is finished) and # of boards completed and shipped.
So.. spamming the thread helps with that?
Post by: PhishyStix on Thu, 05 December 2019, 17:55:21
At this point it doesn't seem like constantly spamming the thread is doing much...
Probably not, but people are rightfully agitated that we seem to be actively ignored on a GB that's over a year delayed. What updates we do get are only a 4-5 day projection and then silence for over a month and a half at a time only for us to get an update that the 4-5 day projection hasn't even been met. We were assured (at least those of us with anodized boards) that it would move fast as soon as everything was engraved. Back in September he said that running the engraving should only take a few days, we then get a conflicting update a month later saying that he's going to do another 20 engravings the next day?! So it seems like that whenever we do get one of these rare updates, we can't even trust the accuracy of the projection. I don't think it would be ridiculous to want more transparency on whats going on with production. He really needs to just have a running counter that he posts weekly of; # of boards waiting to be engraved and # of boards waiting cerakote (no counter for anodizing since thats going to be run in one batch when all engraving is finished) and # of boards completed and shipped.
So.. spamming the thread helps with that?
I mean, if you would read the very first sentence you would get your answer.
Post by: Choobies on Thu, 05 December 2019, 19:09:16
Post by: otanishock on Fri, 06 December 2019, 07:43:54
If your post ended after the first clause, it would have made sense. Why is there a "but" required?Hes just venting his frustration... Quite don't see the huge issue over doing that...
Post by: USER9127 on Fri, 06 December 2019, 08:32:13
I personally do not think there is a scam or subterfuge going on here - However, I AM very concerned over documentation and tracking of progress. In my job (IT consultant) if there is a lack of clarity into a metric or into a person's progress on development, it usually means one of two things: they do not have adequate documentation set up for themselves (IE, they have no idea where they are) or two, they are much farther behind than stated and are avoiding the music, as it were. Usually, when adequate progress is being made, it is made obvious - No one likes to be scrutinized.
It reminds me a bit of the Purism Librem 5 project - while it is moving forward, the lack of clarity is due to extremely bad forecasting of time it takes to complete a particular task. Classic Over promise, under deliver.
Post by: your_fish_monger on Sat, 07 December 2019, 06:29:55
Link: https://reddit.com/r/MechanicalKeyboards/comments/e6ztih/what_do_you_as_a_buyer_in_a_mismanaged_group_buy/f9xzreo
Post text:
I guess it’s more than time to make a public statement about this. I, perhaps foolishly, avoided this in the past in an effort to prevent unnecessary confusion and drama.
Context
For context let me give a little backstory, it was well over 2 years ago that I saw this post by John / Heroyjenkins / Deskcandy. Since I'm quite the fan of Apple design I was very interested in this project. I noticed though that the CAD design shown off was quite lacking and figured I could help with that. I reached out to John asking if he'd be interested in partnering up and he was! So I got to work and started to work on what is now Modern M0110. From early on the division of labour was pretty clear, I'd be handling CAD design, rendering, marketing and such and John would be handling factory contacts, manufacturing, orders and logistics. There definitely was some overlap here with John making some adjustments in the CAD file or me reaching out to proxies but still, 99% of work was divided this way since it just made most sense based on our skill sets.
Factories
After we finished the CAD work we got our first prototypes made at a factory in China. Their communication was pretty good (I was on CC in email and also spoke to them) but the prototypes did have some issues. We worked with them to try and fix them for production but then we had a seemingly better idea, make everything in the US. This seemed like the way to go since we were under the impression this would make QC easier, would mean less hassle when communicating, ... . In retrospect this obviously wasn't the case.
(As a side note, a couple weeks after receiving my M0110 prototype I requested a quote from the original China factory for another project. I received a reply to this over one year later basically saying "We had some troubles at management so sorry for the late reply, here's your quote please still work with us". Seems like we also dodged quite the bullet by not going with them...)
Either way back to the US side of things. John found a CNC and Cerakote shop local to him which seemed like great options. We started working on a prototype. This was eventually sent to Manofinterests for review. There were some obvious issues with the finishing there some of which I noticed in pictures sent before. These were going to be fixed in the production run though so I agreed and we started working on the GB.
GB/manufacturing
The GB ended up being a great success with ~150 units sold, at this time I was still very confident in the CNC and cerakote shop chosen so I didn't view the extra volume as an issue. Soon though this began to change. The CNC shop had all kind of delays, from him losing his CAD license to the electricity going out and other weird issues. This set back the GB a long time already, but in the end they did deliver and all cases have been CNCd for months now. Then arrived the biggest issue, Cerakote.
There were all kind of issues from it not sticking properly to unevenness and more. Biggest issue is though that seemingly almost none are being made. After all these Cerakote issues on the prototype I specifically asked multiple times for me to get a sample before the production began so I could check out the quality. To this day I have not received this, the only MM0110 I have is the original China prototype from 2 years ago. I think I have seen 3 posts of people receiving their MM0110 here on Reddit or on Geekhack, but sadly they seem to have many of the same issues with the coating that Manofinterest's board had all that time ago.
Issue is, I don't have any contact info for the factories. I never was in contact with the CNC shop or the Cerakote shop used for the GB. This is in hindsight a big, big, big mistake caused by overconfidence combined with the "division of labour" I talked about before. From the brief contact I've had with DK lately it seems like the CNC guy also messed up by running his machines to quickly resulting in deep machine marks which makes coating harder.
I want to make it completely clear that I'm not trying to shift blame here. I made big mistakes by being too naive in factories and in general, this is a mistake I have not and will not make again. I also wholeheartedly do not believe there were any bad intentions here from Deskcandy's side. He was just as excited and passionate as me to get these boards to you but things obviously went south. Getting this all fixed must take a lot of time and energy especially combined with a demanding day job. I think that just like me he figured this'd all be a lot easier and wasn't prepared for the borderline chaos that'd be production.
In the end this situation is not fun for anyone. It's not for for buyers for obvious reasons, it's not fun for me to have this product that I can't be proud of at all and it's not fun for John since I know this has also caused a lot of stress and frustration for him.
I realise this might not be the reply people are looking for since it's more of a story than an update on current affairs but frankly I also have very little idea on how production is going at the moment and felt it might be worthwhile to give some more context on this. I truly am very very sorry for how this all is going and I hope more units will be properly finished and shipped out soon. I reached out to John over Discord again to ask how all production is going and will update once I have more info.
Post by: janglad on Sat, 07 December 2019, 06:31:37
Significant post made by /u/janglad over at Reddit about the problems and current status.
Link: https://reddit.com/r/MechanicalKeyboards/comments/e6ztih/what_do_you_as_a_buyer_in_a_mismanaged_group_buy/f9xzreo
Post text:
I guess it’s more than time to make a public statement about this. I, perhaps foolishly, avoided this in the past in an effort to prevent unnecessary confusion and drama.
Context
For context let me give a little backstory, it was well over 2 years ago that I saw this post by John / Heroyjenkins / Deskcandy. Since I'm quite the fan of Apple design I was very interested in this project. I noticed though that the CAD design shown off was quite lacking and figured I could help with that. I reached out to John asking if he'd be interested in partnering up and he was! So I got to work and started to work on what is now Modern M0110. From early on the division of labour was pretty clear, I'd be handling CAD design, rendering, marketing and such and John would be handling factory contacts, manufacturing, orders and logistics. There definitely was some overlap here with John making some adjustments in the CAD file or me reaching out to proxies but still, 99% of work was divided this way since it just made most sense based on our skill sets.
Factories
After we finished the CAD work we got our first prototypes made at a factory in China. Their communication was pretty good (I was on CC in email and also spoke to them) but the prototypes did have some issues. We worked with them to try and fix them for production but then we had a seemingly better idea, make everything in the US. This seemed like the way to go since we were under the impression this would make QC easier, would mean less hassle when communicating, ... . In retrospect this obviously wasn't the case.
(As a side note, a couple weeks after receiving my M0110 prototype I requested a quote from the original China factory for another project. I received a reply to this over one year later basically saying "We had some troubles at management so sorry for the late reply, here's your quote please still work with us". Seems like we also dodged quite the bullet by not going with them...)
Either way back to the US side of things. John found a CNC and Cerakote shop local to him which seemed like great options. We started working on a prototype. This was eventually sent to Manofinterests for review. There were some obvious issues with the finishing there some of which I noticed in pictures sent before. These were going to be fixed in the production run though so I agreed and we started working on the GB.
GB/manufacturing
The GB ended up being a great success with ~150 units sold, at this time I was still very confident in the CNC and cerakote shop chosen so I didn't view the extra volume as an issue. Soon though this began to change. The CNC shop had all kind of delays, from him losing his CAD license to the electricity going out and other weird issues. This set back the GB a long time already, but in the end they did deliver and all cases have been CNCd for months now. Then arrived the biggest issue, Cerakote.
There were all kind of issues from it not sticking properly to unevenness and more. Biggest issue is though that seemingly almost none are being made. After all these Cerakote issues on the prototype I specifically asked multiple times for me to get a sample before the production began so I could check out the quality. To this day I have not received this, the only MM0110 I have is the original China prototype from 2 years ago. I think I have seen 3 posts of people receiving their MM0110 here on Reddit or on Geekhack, but sadly they seem to have many of the same issues with the coating that Manofinterest's board had all that time ago.
Issue is, I don't have any contact info for the factories. I never was in contact with the CNC shop or the Cerakote shop used for the GB. This is in hindsight a big, big, big mistake caused by overconfidence combined with the "division of labour" I talked about before. From the brief contact I've had with DK lately it seems like the CNC guy also messed up by running his machines to quickly resulting in deep machine marks which makes coating harder.
I want to make it completely clear that I'm not trying to shift blame here. I made big mistakes by being too naive in factories and in general, this is a mistake I have not and will not make again. I also wholeheartedly do not believe there were any bad intentions here from Deskcandy's side. He was just as excited and passionate as me to get these boards to you but things obviously went south. Getting this all fixed must take a lot of time and energy especially combined with a demanding day job. I think that just like me he figured this'd all be a lot easier and wasn't prepared for the borderline chaos that'd be production.
In the end this situation is not fun for anyone. It's not for for buyers for obvious reasons, it's not fun for me to have this product that I can't be proud of at all and it's not fun for John since I know this has also caused a lot of stress and frustration for him.
I realise this might not be the reply people are looking for since it's more of a story than an update on current affairs but frankly I also have very little idea on how production is going at the moment and felt it might be worthwhile to give some more context on this. I truly am very very sorry for how this all is going and I hope more units will be properly finished and shipped out soon. I reached out to John over Discord again to ask how all production is going and will update once I have more info.
Also wanted to post this here so thanks. Like I said I realise this is more a story than a satisfying response on the current status of the board but I figured this might help explain some of the issues going on right now. Again I'm super sorry for how this all is going and truly hope this all gets resolved in the end, as delayed as that might be.
Post by: crowKAKAWWW on Sat, 07 December 2019, 16:01:36
Apparently the people that are actually in the GB that have vested a lot trust in you matter less than protecting your reputation on Reddit? :confused:
Post by: your_fish_monger on Sat, 07 December 2019, 16:12:56
Link: https://old.reddit.com/r/MechanicalKeyboards/comments/e6ztih/what_do_you_as_a_buyer_in_a_mismanaged_group_buy/f9zqf9y/
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The plan hasn't changed and I'll send out updates later since there is obviously frustration around transparency in the current plan of this group buy. Here's a quick TL;DR:
* As of ~3 weeks ago, all laser engraving is completed. This was one of the ****tiest aspects of the group buy for me since I had multiple vendors drop out of their commitment to do laser engraving for me, and in the end I rented a laser engraver for 2 weeks and did all the laser engravings and cleaning up all the custom files myself. This was roughly a 50-60 hour effort on my side and I barely got any sleep or spent any time at home for 2 weeks, but at least it's done now :) There were close to 200 engravings, each taking close to 20 minutes not including time to prep the files and the machine. I took video and posted on instagram a few weeks ago if you're curious about what that looked like
* [Anodizing] All units have been dropped off at the anodizer ~3 weeks ago. I just got pictures last week of sandblasting after the engraving and it turned out great with high contrast. I was worried about losing definition in the engraving depth and had to eyeball the depth somewhat (it's actually a bit more of an art than purely a science to dial in settings of a fiber laser on various media) but we're OK there, so that's an important milestone to have reached. I was also waiting for color matching grey to the original sample everyone loved at the NorCal meetup 2017 and also got that back. I will be visiting the anodizing vendor early next week to QC the first silver and first gray unit before approving the rest of production.
* [Cerakote] My Cerakote vendor stopped responding to all my texts and calls for the last month but just resurfaced and I'm supposed to pick up another 20-30 units from him today. I generally am giving him new units to Cerakote in order of order time, so generally folks who ordered earlier will receive earlier but I can't really promise - it's too much to manager to do things exactly in a certain order.
I know you're super frustrated and I am too honestly but I feel a deep sense of commitment to making sure these keyboards actually get in your hands. I have had to pay for space to store everything while blocked on my vendors and I am going to lose money in this GB because of 1) having to run extra samples, 2) pay for storage longer than I expected, 3) vendors charging me way more than their original quotes, and 4) spending way more of my time (e.g., doing all laser engravings myself), and 5) broken taps because I've had to retap holes in the tops after Cerakote and it's pretty expensive and complicated to extract those back out.
Happy to answer any other questions you have here and I'll shoot out an update with essentially this content to everyone in the GB (over email and geekhack) later today (w/ pics of the anodized and engraved units). Thanks.
Post by: deskcandy on Sat, 07 December 2019, 17:22:03
Cerakote is a wild card because my vendor is a small shop and they do small batches, so I'll try to manage the situation best I can and pack orders as they're ready.
If you want to see photos of the engravings, feel free to check out our Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/deskcandy.xyz/
Post by: deskcandy on Sat, 07 December 2019, 17:31:06
Here is sort of an update:
https://www.instagram.com/p/B4GeJmOAAEd/?utm_source=ig_web_copy_link
Wow. How profoundly disappointing after the renders promised this recessed/bossed type:
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This is what they look like in their final form (not a render). I don't have the proper tools to measure the exact depth but it is more than noticeable. The original picture was made by a non-laser engraver and I couldn't replicate the exact font which was used initially here.
Post by: pixelpusher on Sat, 07 December 2019, 18:35:29
Post by: dantambok on Sat, 07 December 2019, 19:26:06
Post by: Fredington on Sat, 07 December 2019, 20:05:01
Thanks for the update. Engraving looks nice to me. So, it sounds like about another month for the manufacturer and a few weeks for you to get things out, right? So late Jan early Feb perhaps?
Doubt he's going to quote a time frame.
Post by: dwarflemur on Sun, 08 December 2019, 18:17:14
Post by: Rayndalf on Sun, 08 December 2019, 18:18:34
Post by: ibabo on Sun, 08 December 2019, 20:38:41
I like the '2018' on the engraving considering some of them will probably be engraved in 2020engraving is finished on all units afaik
Post by: deskcandy on Thu, 12 December 2019, 01:35:03
And yes to confirm the above comment, engraving is done!
Post by: Perfex on Thu, 12 December 2019, 02:27:33
Post by: ibabo on Thu, 12 December 2019, 21:31:40
Post by: biothermal on Wed, 18 December 2019, 07:27:10
Post by: ringzero on Sun, 22 December 2019, 21:23:16
Post by: ibabo on Wed, 01 January 2020, 00:30:16
Post by: ThomasTH on Wed, 01 January 2020, 00:46:13
Updates?yeah how's the cerakoting going... the engraving was kinda a joke, we opted out to get our stuff earlier. now we still wait but got no engraving... and no refund either.... borderline s...
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Post by: your_fish_monger on Fri, 03 January 2020, 13:21:42
Hey guys, sorry about lack of updates. All of the keyboards as of today are now engraved and with all the surface finishing vendors, so besides a more unengraved boards for me to pack and ship out, there isn't anything I can really do until my vendors are done with their work. The anodizing vendor is a pretty big and professional business (they've been around since the 90s and have a solid track record) and I expect them to be close to their time estimate of ~3 weeks but I have to QC the custom gray color before I let them finish everything. That sample just came in end of last week.
Cerakote is a wild card because my vendor is a small shop and they do small batches, so I'll try to manage the situation best I can and pack orders as they're ready.
If you want to see photos of the engravings, feel free to check out our Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/deskcandy.xyz/
This was about a month ago. You expected the anodizing to take three weeks. Can you please provide us updates here?
Post by: dwarflemur on Fri, 03 January 2020, 14:31:12
Hey guys, sorry about lack of updates. All of the keyboards as of today are now engraved and with all the surface finishing vendors, so besides a more unengraved boards for me to pack and ship out, there isn't anything I can really do until my vendors are done with their work. The anodizing vendor is a pretty big and professional business (they've been around since the 90s and have a solid track record) and I expect them to be close to their time estimate of ~3 weeks but I have to QC the custom gray color before I let them finish everything. That sample just came in end of last week.
Cerakote is a wild card because my vendor is a small shop and they do small batches, so I'll try to manage the situation best I can and pack orders as they're ready.
If you want to see photos of the engravings, feel free to check out our Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/deskcandy.xyz/
This was about a month ago. You expected the anodizing to take three weeks. Can you please provide us updates here?
"around three weeks, after I QC one of the colors" probably means at least a month, if not month and a half, and then considering that this is going on in the US the vendors were probably closed/not working full weeks this week and last.
Post by: deskcandy on Sun, 05 January 2020, 17:23:43
I inspected the grey anodizing color before Christmas, and the color was a bit too dark and does not match the original sample shown at Norcal meetup as you can see in the pictures. I've asked the anodizer to get a more exact match and they sent out the bottom half of the Norcal sample out to a lab to match the color better and that will add some time. Otherwise, here's a pic of a silver anodized production sample and the silver units should be completed in 1-2 weeks.
In the meantime, I'm still working on shipping on nonengraved boards and it's a time consuming process. Re-tapping all the holes for one of them today took me 1.5 hours let alone the time to actually pack the order without smudging the Cerakote so it will be a slow rolling process to get these out the door.
Thanks again for your patience and enjoy the pics.
John
Post by: dantambok on Sun, 05 January 2020, 19:26:33
Post by: deskcandy on Sun, 05 January 2020, 19:29:40
thanks for the update John. Are all cerakoted boards done?
No - I am still waiting for a few unengraved ones and have not received any engraved units from the vendor yet. He said right before the holidays he had to completely reorganize the backlog of keyboards I left for him ~1 month ago. I will be following up to push him as much as I can.
Post by: deskcandy on Sun, 05 January 2020, 19:30:14
Post by: dantambok on Sun, 05 January 2020, 19:31:28
Unfortunately this includes the remake I requested of your keyboard since it didn't come out OK at all the first time :(
Welp. No worries, thank you! :thumb:
Post by: biothermal on Sun, 05 January 2020, 20:13:51
Thanks again for your patience and enjoy the pics.
Happy New Year! Very much appreciate pine cone pic. Thanks. Also excited to see the process continuing to move along, updates always appreciated.
Post by: ThomasTH on Mon, 06 January 2020, 03:20:17
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Post by: deskcandy on Tue, 07 January 2020, 23:30:50
Post by: ThomasTH on Wed, 08 January 2020, 00:12:15
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Post by: deskcandy on Wed, 08 January 2020, 00:14:18
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Post by: deskcandy on Wed, 08 January 2020, 00:27:46
Post by: lukelex on Wed, 08 January 2020, 01:15:16
Yes it actually looks really great! Will try to post a photo soon...I have learned with the lighter Cerakote colors I have to be very careful about handling them and use gloves to avoid smudging. When I can clear a clean space I will bring it out for pictures and tapping to prep for shipment. It is a great color and I am excited to get it into your hands asap.Question time: Why not get some of these out now?
That would help ease our minds. Even if it's just a handful.
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Post by: Warrenified on Tue, 14 January 2020, 01:09:03
Post by: zxcvbn on Tue, 14 January 2020, 19:21:25
Post by: ihalatch on Tue, 14 January 2020, 19:39:38
Post by: pixelpusher on Wed, 15 January 2020, 09:16:15
Received mine!
That's pretty exciting. Any initial reactions to quality, finish, packaging, etc.??
Post by: Merked on Sun, 26 January 2020, 13:09:35
Post by: Dafraz117 on Tue, 28 January 2020, 05:40:08
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Post by: your_fish_monger on Tue, 28 January 2020, 12:58:46
You committed to transparency. In a GB that has gone off the rails this much, it's the least you can deliver for all of us at this point.
Post by: crowKAKAWWW on Tue, 28 January 2020, 13:40:15
John, can we please get an update? In early December, you committed to updates "every week or two." Curious mainly on (1) how many boards have gone out since your last update, (2) next steps on the boards that haven't gone out yet, and (3) ideally, some sense of how many may ship in the next two weeks.
You committed to transparency. In a GB that has gone off the rails this much, it's the least you can deliver for all of us at this point.
+1
Post by: deskcandy on Thu, 30 January 2020, 00:35:42
Unfortunately on the Cerakote side I haven't been getting any progress from the vendor. He said he has a batch of 40 in progress but don't have a clear timeline on when they will be done.
In the meantime, we'll keep working on shipping out orders as they are completed, so please keep on the lookout for address and order confirmation emails from us.
Post by: deskcandy on Thu, 30 January 2020, 00:43:29
Post by: Scriba on Thu, 30 January 2020, 09:57:27
off topic, what keycaps are this?
Post by: crowKAKAWWW on Thu, 30 January 2020, 09:59:15
Post by: biothermal on Thu, 30 January 2020, 11:03:36
In the meantime, we'll keep working on shipping out orders as they are completed, so please keep on the lookout for address and order confirmation emails from us.
Glad to see more will be shipping out in the near future, thanks for the updates.
Post by: macclack on Thu, 30 January 2020, 18:18:29
Show Image(https://static1.squarespace.com/static/5a02c663268b961642ad2bbf/5a7d764b419202218cf13f33/5a7d7657419202218cf14047/1518171744816/DSC_2073.jpg?format=1500w)
off topic, what keycaps are this?
This is gorgeous.
Post by: Nevermore012 on Thu, 30 January 2020, 20:36:22
kinda sure GMK muteShow Image(https://static1.squarespace.com/static/5a02c663268b961642ad2bbf/5a7d764b419202218cf13f33/5a7d7657419202218cf14047/1518171744816/DSC_2073.jpg?format=1500w)
off topic, what keycaps are this?
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Post by: heavyheaded on Tue, 11 February 2020, 08:59:46
Post by: biothermal on Wed, 12 February 2020, 06:33:57
Post by: ibabo on Tue, 18 February 2020, 13:18:32
Post by: lukelex on Tue, 18 February 2020, 13:59:02
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Post by: eyedrop on Tue, 18 February 2020, 14:14:37
Packages of new boards has been eaten by the Corona virus overlord. Tru stori
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Joking aside, I thought this board was made in the US, no?
Post by: lukelex on Tue, 18 February 2020, 14:30:32
Packages of new boards has been eaten by the Corona virus overlord. Tru stori
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Joking aside, I thought this board was made in the US, no?
Supposedly, proudly made in the land of the free. Which makes the joke even better.
Post by: dantambok on Sun, 23 February 2020, 07:23:37
Post by: crowKAKAWWW on Wed, 26 February 2020, 23:03:30
Post by: your_fish_monger on Fri, 28 February 2020, 17:46:16
This group buy is just ridiculous.
Post by: deskcandy on Mon, 02 March 2020, 23:42:16
- Anodizing for grey anodized is going to get pushed back slightly, I have to find alternative M3 screws to hang the parts during anodizing as this was the main driver of QC failed silver units. However, I only had steel screws and my anodizer wants to use aluminum screws and there aren't good sources (the M3 aluminum screw on McMaster is either a standoff or a weird $5/screw part with a thick washer on top, which isn't economical if we need a few hundred of them). Trying to see if we can use Nylon screws instead and hang the parts that way
- Cerakote vendor finally came back and said he has a load for me to pick up, so I'm coordinating with him now on timing.
Other than that, working on polishing plates and shipping out orders - nothing else new from my side.
Thanks!
Post by: dwarflemur on Tue, 03 March 2020, 12:33:03
Post by: fine_italian_leather on Mon, 09 March 2020, 09:12:51
Post by: biothermal on Thu, 12 March 2020, 06:49:00
Post by: pixelpusher on Thu, 12 March 2020, 08:20:42
:eek: Got my tracking! Sooooooo ready to finally get this board.
Did you get cerakote or anodized?
Post by: biothermal on Fri, 13 March 2020, 06:00:33
:eek: Got my tracking! Sooooooo ready to finally get this board.
Did you get cerakote or anodized?
Silver ano
Post by: Warrenified on Mon, 16 March 2020, 23:43:57
Post by: ReadmeDotTxt on Tue, 17 March 2020, 14:04:24
Post by: biothermal on Wed, 18 March 2020, 11:47:10
(https://i.imgur.com/HaWiH6g.jpg)
Post by: crowKAKAWWW on Wed, 18 March 2020, 12:31:18
Post by: ibabo on Wed, 18 March 2020, 13:26:16
Of course it arrives and I have no clue what to build it with...Looks really good, how is the qc on it?Show Image(https://i.imgur.com/HaWiH6g.jpg)
Post by: biothermal on Wed, 18 March 2020, 16:11:01
Of course it arrives and I have no clue what to build it with...Looks really good, how is the qc on it?Show Image(https://i.imgur.com/HaWiH6g.jpg)
No real complaints from me. Some general schmutz on it from the ano factory (I'd presume) that cleared off with a little elbow grease.
The shipping containers for the board and PCB were very nicely padded so if anything happens to the outer package I highly doubt it would affect the items inside. If there was anything wrong it'd be from one of the pre-packaging stages.
Post by: dantambok on Wed, 18 March 2020, 22:54:52
Post by: Merked on Sat, 21 March 2020, 16:38:23
Post by: gnho on Sun, 22 March 2020, 02:45:57
Post by: deskcandy on Mon, 23 March 2020, 11:16:35
Picked up about 20 units from the Cerakote vendor this weekend, mostly engraved and a couple redos on the unengraved. The light sand color is really difficult to get right and I had to fail a good number of units (maybe only picked up 60-70% of what was available) and will do another closer pass once I go through everything again pre-packing. The vendor wants to finish this project as quickly as possible so I'm crossing my fingers we will finish the Cerakoting step soon!
-John
Post by: schlep on Mon, 23 March 2020, 11:33:55
Post by: deskcandy on Wed, 25 March 2020, 00:40:47
What about the Ano ones? What more needs to be done for them before it can be shipped? It seems to me that only the Ceratoke ones that are still work in progress.
Still waiting on grey anodizing. I've been working with the ano company to try and prevent more failed QC units by trying a different hanging method, but they didn't respond to me last week, guessing because of the virus :( Not sure if grey anodizing will get delayed but I'll leave an update here once I learn more.
Post by: Warrenified on Wed, 25 March 2020, 18:51:35
What about the Ano ones? What more needs to be done for them before it can be shipped? It seems to me that only the Ceratoke ones that are still work in progress.
Still waiting on grey anodizing. I've been working with the ano company to try and prevent more failed QC units by trying a different hanging method, but they didn't respond to me last week, guessing because of the virus :( Not sure if grey anodizing will get delayed but I'll leave an update here once I learn more.
What about silver ano boards?
Post by: deskcandy on Wed, 25 March 2020, 19:27:05
What about the Ano ones? What more needs to be done for them before it can be shipped? It seems to me that only the Ceratoke ones that are still work in progress.
Still waiting on grey anodizing. I've been working with the ano company to try and prevent more failed QC units by trying a different hanging method, but they didn't respond to me last week, guessing because of the virus :( Not sure if grey anodizing will get delayed but I'll leave an update here once I learn more.
What about silver ano boards?
All done except for 2 or 3 that failed QC and I'm waiting to be redone. I've been shipping out silver anodized boards and prob a few folks here who have received tracking info, if not their keyboard.
Post by: Warrenified on Wed, 25 March 2020, 22:27:03
What about the Ano ones? What more needs to be done for them before it can be shipped? It seems to me that only the Ceratoke ones that are still work in progress.
Still waiting on grey anodizing. I've been working with the ano company to try and prevent more failed QC units by trying a different hanging method, but they didn't respond to me last week, guessing because of the virus :( Not sure if grey anodizing will get delayed but I'll leave an update here once I learn more.
What about silver ano boards?
All done except for 2 or 3 that failed QC and I'm waiting to be redone. I've been shipping out silver anodized boards and prob a few folks here who have received tracking info, if not their keyboard.
Ah, I have not received shipping info yet. Mine might be one of those 2 or 3. RIP! haha. Thank you for the response!
Post by: deskcandy on Wed, 25 March 2020, 22:56:18
What about the Ano ones? What more needs to be done for them before it can be shipped? It seems to me that only the Ceratoke ones that are still work in progress.
Still waiting on grey anodizing. I've been working with the ano company to try and prevent more failed QC units by trying a different hanging method, but they didn't respond to me last week, guessing because of the virus :( Not sure if grey anodizing will get delayed but I'll leave an update here once I learn more.
What about silver ano boards?
All done except for 2 or 3 that failed QC and I'm waiting to be redone. I've been shipping out silver anodized boards and prob a few folks here who have received tracking info, if not their keyboard.
Ah, I have not received shipping info yet. Mine might be one of those 2 or 3. RIP! haha. Thank you for the response!
Yeah also sorry to clarify, I have all the silver anodized (both engraved + unengraved) in stock but not all have shipped. That's because there's a pretty big time lift in packing each order, which might be unusual or unique to this GB (unfortunately to me haha). It takes at least hour for each including prepping plates so I'm trying to get them out as quickly as I can but it's a balance between shipping what I have, confirming order details, and pushing on my surface finishing vendors to finish their part so I don't get blocked later. So yours may not be in the 2 or 3 but I hope that I get an order confirm to you soon!!
Post by: ReadmeDotTxt on Thu, 26 March 2020, 01:13:48
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Post by: ringzero on Thu, 26 March 2020, 09:38:08
Post by: Perfex on Tue, 31 March 2020, 18:47:46
Post by: piercejenkins on Tue, 31 March 2020, 18:52:43
Post by: Perfex on Tue, 31 March 2020, 18:54:23
are there any extras?
They are not even all completed yet.
Post by: mwhy on Mon, 06 April 2020, 07:20:31
Hey John, I would like to get an update on the European orders. Are you also shipping those out one by one or do we have to wait until all are finished? Also I might be moving in a couple of months depending on how the current covid situation turns out and would like to know if I have to contact my keyboard or you if that happens.
Cheers
Post by: rpiguy9907 on Mon, 06 April 2020, 09:14:06
https://drop.com/buy/ryloo-studio-hello-m0110-mechanical-keyboard-kit?utm_placement=0&referer=F5P4WS&mode=guest_open&utm_campaign=Automated%20Daily%20Promotional%202020-04-06&utm_source=SparkPost&utm_medium=email&utm_term=Daily%20Promotional&utm_content=1586173558027.312288741767944407526328
Admittedly, cerakote is not an option on Drop.
Post by: The_Royal on Mon, 06 April 2020, 09:15:23
Let's see if these ship out before the clone that Drop just put up, lol ;D
https://drop.com/buy/ryloo-studio-hello-m0110-mechanical-keyboard-kit?utm_placement=0&referer=F5P4WS&mode=guest_open&utm_campaign=Automated%20Daily%20Promotional%202020-04-06&utm_source=SparkPost&utm_medium=email&utm_term=Daily%20Promotional&utm_content=1586173558027.312288741767944407526328
Admittedly, cerakote is not an option on Drop.
Ahhh YOU BEAT ME TO IT!! LOL
Post by: crowKAKAWWW on Mon, 06 April 2020, 12:09:49
Post by: gnho on Mon, 06 April 2020, 12:14:09
Apparently the Drop clone uses a non-standard PCB that doesn't have alps support, so there's that. I'll still die a little inside when they start shipping before we get our units though :(
Other than not supporting ALPS, what are the differences of their PCB compared to others?
Post by: crowKAKAWWW on Mon, 06 April 2020, 12:19:40
Post by: bigapplepietart on Sun, 12 April 2020, 18:03:54
Post by: gnho on Mon, 13 April 2020, 00:50:43
I bought one from the classified. It is indeed very nice and heavy. I have no doubt Modern 0110 is superior than the one on Drop. That said, it could be too high/heavy for some people.
Post by: FRANCO on Mon, 13 April 2020, 10:44:02
I still believe the Modern 0110 will come out much nicer than the Drop board, although the longer wait time.
I was considering the Drop one...and even though it includes an option to have a standard 60% layout without the blockers, I don't know, something just feels off about the design
Post by: deskcandy on Mon, 13 April 2020, 23:28:48
@Deskcandy
Hey John, I would like to get an update on the European orders. Are you also shipping those out one by one or do we have to wait until all are finished? Also I might be moving in a couple of months depending on how the current covid situation turns out and would like to know if I have to contact my keyboard or you if that happens.
Cheers
Hey there, I was originally going to wait until everything was done, but given that we've had a delay with gray anodizing, I'm going to reach out to mykeyboard about sending what I have now and the rest later when the production is 100% complete.
Post by: deskcandy on Mon, 13 April 2020, 23:44:40
Other quick update is that grey anodizing is going forward and luckily the vendor is not shut down due to COVID-19, so fingers crossed should have grey done in 2-3 weeks. Last piece remaining is a couple of redos on both anodizing and Cerakote and then cranking through all the non-light sand engraved units!!! We're almost there guys.
Post by: pixelpusher on Tue, 14 April 2020, 01:06:39
Post by: deskcandy on Tue, 14 April 2020, 01:38:06
Post by: deskcandy on Tue, 14 April 2020, 01:40:42
So my light sand engraved board is just one of a couple that aren’t shipped? I had only seen one of these posted so far. Guess it’s just the luck of the draw.
Happy to check if you send me your order # by DM or email info@deskcandy.xyz.
Post by: pixelpusher on Wed, 15 April 2020, 16:36:28
Post by: MMKB on Thu, 16 April 2020, 16:20:26
Let's see if these ship out before the clone that Drop just put up, lol ;D
https://drop.com/buy/ryloo-studio-hello-m0110-mechanical-keyboard-kit?utm_placement=0&referer=F5P4WS&mode=guest_open&utm_campaign=Automated%20Daily%20Promotional%202020-04-06&utm_source=SparkPost&utm_medium=email&utm_term=Daily%20Promotional&utm_content=1586173558027.312288741767944407526328
Admittedly, cerakote is not an option on Drop.
FWIW the one here is also a clone
Post by: macclack on Tue, 21 April 2020, 23:18:40
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Post by: Warrenified on Wed, 22 April 2020, 02:37:27
Thanks for the updates though! Hope all is well with you and your family.
Post by: BaconEggandCheeseBagel on Wed, 22 April 2020, 17:22:37
Post by: deskcandy on Wed, 22 April 2020, 19:13:34
Yay!
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Hope you enjoy it!!
Post by: macclack on Wed, 22 April 2020, 21:20:43
Yay!
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Hope you enjoy it!!
It’s a stunner. Definitely worth the wait.
Post by: deskcandy on Wed, 22 April 2020, 23:30:42
Also just PSA to everyone with light sand Cerakote units and light shaded custom colors. The light sand color attracts dust and gets smudged by finger oils very easily, but it's also easy to clean off using a soft cloth (e.g. microfiber) or paper towel and a mild cleaner - I use orange cleaner from the hardware store.
It's been on my mind lately since I go through a lot of gloves and masks (for sanding / clear coating plates) when prepping orders and now those are getting harder to find. Be safe out there everyone!
Post by: pixelpusher on Thu, 23 April 2020, 00:32:46
Great to hear :)
Also just PSA to everyone with light sand Cerakote units and light shaded custom colors. The light sand color attracts dust and gets smudged by finger oils very easily, but it's also easy to clean off using a soft cloth (e.g. microfiber) or paper towel and a mild cleaner - I use orange cleaner from the hardware store.
It's been on my mind lately since I go through a lot of gloves and masks (for sanding / clear coating plates) when prepping orders and now those are getting harder to find. Be safe out there everyone!
I know what you mean. I have a milspec green cerakoted board and it picks up finger oils like crazy. My gray Bauer does it too, but the robin's egg blue plate on it doesn't. Must have something to do with the individual cerakote colors. But yeah, like you said, it does wipe off easily with a microfiber cloth and cleaner. Looking forward to getting my board.
Post by: ibabo on Sat, 25 April 2020, 06:13:46
Post by: deskcandy on Wed, 29 April 2020, 19:54:41
Have any black cerakote boards gone out? Still waiting on mine
Yes about a third are out and shipped. Trying to ship rest of black Cerakote by end of week. Unfortunately discovered that one of the black tops didn't actually have the plate screwholes drilled out :eek:
I have extra raw tops but will have to get an extra done by the Cerakote vendor so 1 will be more delayed (prioritizing by order timestamp) until I can get a new top piece with the holes drilled properly.
Manufacturing is fun :)
Post by: eyedrop on Wed, 29 April 2020, 20:54:19
Post by: heavyheaded on Thu, 30 April 2020, 14:16:40
edit: we're good now.
Post by: your_fish_monger on Thu, 30 April 2020, 15:04:51
Post by: deskcandy on Sun, 03 May 2020, 19:02:05
Any update at all on the gray ano units? Any chance we can get a more exhaustive update on the units/colors/finishes that are still pending, John?
I was in touch with the anodizer last week, and gray should be done by now, if not then some day this coming week. I have to do a QC pass as it's likely we'll have to redo a handful of the gray units and make sure the redone silver ones are in good shape. After that, it's just Cerakote, which is a mix of all colors, mostly light sand but other colors as well.
Post by: agingbones on Fri, 08 May 2020, 23:24:10
This keyboard is VERY heavy but super nice. I love it a lot already.
Post by: pixelpusher on Sat, 09 May 2020, 00:12:45
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This keyboard is VERY heavy but super nice. I love it a lot already.
Nice build. I like that we can judge the cerakote color against the alphas of godspeed. What switches are you using?
Post by: biothermal on Sat, 09 May 2020, 08:04:09
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This keyboard is VERY heavy but super nice. I love it a lot already.
That's a pretty classy build right there! I like it :thumb:
Post by: agingbones on Sat, 09 May 2020, 08:53:01
For switches, I'm using 55g everglides, filmed and lubed with 204.(Attachment Link)
This keyboard is VERY heavy but super nice. I love it a lot already.
Nice build. I like that we can judge the cerakote color against the alphas of godspeed. What switches are you using?
Post by: Fredington on Sat, 09 May 2020, 11:32:16
Post by: deskcandy on Tue, 12 May 2020, 16:07:28
On another note, I caught up yesterday with the anodizer. They did a batch of grey units Friday and apparently they came out horribly with white spots all over, so they are redoing them today. I will catch up with them again tomorrow to check back in. Fingers crossed will be able to pick up and ship the grey anodized units soon!! If the redo comes out OK, then theoretically can have all the grey units in stock by this weekend and start shipping.
Post by: Dumblescore on Tue, 12 May 2020, 16:53:24
Post by: deskcandy on Wed, 13 May 2020, 23:33:31
It's in the grey batch so hopefully will have it in a couple days.
Post by: deskcandy on Fri, 15 May 2020, 15:01:16
Post by: Starius on Sun, 17 May 2020, 11:29:36
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Post by: deskcandy on Sun, 17 May 2020, 23:42:12
Ladies and Gentlemen, the hype is real and worth the wait. A very lovely keyboard as well as tribute to the M0110.
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Nice build!! Curious, what switches did you go with for the build?
Post by: TheBlackHammer on Mon, 18 May 2020, 07:19:15
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Post by: Starius on Mon, 18 May 2020, 10:40:51
Ladies and Gentlemen, the hype is real and worth the wait. A very lovely keyboard as well as tribute to the M0110.
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Nice build!! Curious, what switches did you go with for the build?
Well, I had the assembly service so you put them in for me. ;)
Outemu sky switches, 68g. Never tried them before and I have to say I’m very happy with how they feel.
Unfortunately for me, and I’m embarrassed to confess this, but I’ve messed my pcb up a bit at the moment.
I got it in my head that I wanted a stepped capslock key so I removed that switch and re-soldered in the appropriate spot. Then I flashed the board with my custom layout and..... well, now it’s not working for me on Mac or Windows. (Though it was working briefly ) I plan to take the bottom case off again to see if I just made a contact short or something. Unfortunately, with my work schedule this will have to wait for the weekend. My dumb fault, I’ll get it sorted though hopefully.
Post by: macclack on Mon, 18 May 2020, 17:56:50
Ladies and Gentlemen, the hype is real and worth the wait. A very lovely keyboard as well as tribute to the M0110.
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I like the look with XDA Oblique. I'm going to have to give that a try.
Post by: deskcandy on Mon, 18 May 2020, 23:16:03
Ladies and Gentlemen, the hype is real and worth the wait. A very lovely keyboard as well as tribute to the M0110.
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Nice build!! Curious, what switches did you go with for the build?
Well, I had the assembly service so you put them in for me. ;)
Outemu sky switches, 68g. Never tried them before and I have to say I’m very happy with how they feel.
Unfortunately for me, and I’m embarrassed to confess this, but I’ve messed my pcb up a bit at the moment.
I got it in my head that I wanted a stepped capslock key so I removed that switch and re-soldered in the appropriate spot. Then I flashed the board with my custom layout and..... well, now it’s not working for me on Mac or Windows. (Though it was working briefly ) I plan to take the bottom case off again to see if I just made a contact short or something. Unfortunately, with my work schedule this will have to wait for the weekend. My dumb fault, I’ll get it sorted though hopefully.
Heh I totally forgot :P
Glad you like the Outemu 68g, I haven't tried it myself in a completed build but the switch by itself feels nice. Good luck with the switch repair! Hopefully an easy fix!
Post by: deskcandy on Tue, 19 May 2020, 03:33:39
- Just hit 40 units shipped! This is just over 25% of the GB. Primarily concentrated in the US, so this is about 45% of orders placed directly through me in the US. Still have a long way to go, but I'm really happy about getting this far and things definitely seem to be picking up momentum towards the finish here.
- I am confirming ALL orders before shipping. It's just way too risky to ship a $500 keyboard to someone and have an issue with someone's old address or not having access to an office etc. So please please please, look out for my order confirmation emails (from john@deskcandy.xyz) and if you haven't received one already and you have a silver or light sand unit (which are mostly in stock now), then don't hesitate to reach out to me first to speed things up. A couple folks have not responded to me, including an international order which makes me nervous, but I'll put some extra effort in after giving y'all time to respond to find everyone and get a confirmation before I ship.
- I haven't shipped anything to proxies yet. Given everything going on and also cutting down on complexity somewhat, I am working out a game plan with zFrontier and Mykeyboard but looks like I'll send them their entire orders once they are complete. Since their orders span across all colors, this probably will come at the very end. Sorry to my friends in Europe in China, I am working my butt off to get you your keyboards asap!
- Somehow ended up with a surplus of a dozen or so extra light sand unengraved units from my Cerakote vendor going a bit crazy on the light sand :cool:. I will probably sell these as extras at the end of the GB (keeping them in reserves in case I need to swap out bottoms or tops if there are QC issues I didn't catch already). Was hoping if I had extras I'd do some cool unique colors or something but if I've learned anything from this GB, it's keep it simple. So yeah, if you're interested in extras, light sand unengraved units are probably coming in a month or two (or three :p) There may also be some B-stock units, where the raw aluminum parts got dented or dinged along the way (luckily I can fix surface finishing issues more easily with direct access to those vendors here in Socal) and for those I may do what's called a "shotpeen" finish where they fire a bunch of small metal balls at the part to give it a really cool textured finish. It's definitely not for everyone but I think it's a really unique look and hides ****ty machining issues well.
- If you've received your keyboard already, post it here! Want to see all your dope builds and see how you guys are pairing keysets with Modern M0110. The grey/beige classic sets work really great but particularly interested to see if folks make more ambitious keycap sets work as well ;)
Stay safe everyone!
Post by: macclack on Tue, 19 May 2020, 14:20:33
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Post by: TheBlackHammer on Tue, 19 May 2020, 15:33:15
Hey folks, couple quick updates.Count me in for an extra! I need one of these in my life
- Just hit 40 units shipped! This is just over 25% of the GB. Primarily concentrated in the US, so this is about 45% of orders placed directly through me in the US. Still have a long way to go, but I'm really happy about getting this far and things definitely seem to be picking up momentum towards the finish here.
- I am confirming ALL orders before shipping. It's just way too risky to ship a $500 keyboard to someone and have an issue with someone's old address or not having access to an office etc. So please please please, look out for my order confirmation emails (from john@deskcandy.xyz) and if you haven't received one already and you have a silver or light sand unit (which are mostly in stock now), then don't hesitate to reach out to me first to speed things up. A couple folks have not responded to me, including an international order which makes me nervous, but I'll put some extra effort in after giving y'all time to respond to find everyone and get a confirmation before I ship.
- I haven't shipped anything to proxies yet. Given everything going on and also cutting down on complexity somewhat, I am working out a game plan with zFrontier and Mykeyboard but looks like I'll send them their entire orders once they are complete. Since their orders span across all colors, this probably will come at the very end. Sorry to my friends in Europe in China, I am working my butt off to get you your keyboards asap!
- Somehow ended up with a surplus of a dozen or so extra light sand unengraved units from my Cerakote vendor going a bit crazy on the light sand :cool:. I will probably sell these as extras at the end of the GB (keeping them in reserves in case I need to swap out bottoms or tops if there are QC issues I didn't catch already). Was hoping if I had extras I'd do some cool unique colors or something but if I've learned anything from this GB, it's keep it simple. So yeah, if you're interested in extras, light sand unengraved units are probably coming in a month or two (or three :p) There may also be some B-stock units, where the raw aluminum parts got dented or dinged along the way (luckily I can fix surface finishing issues more easily with direct access to those vendors here in Socal) and for those I may do what's called a "shotpeen" finish where they fire a bunch of small metal balls at the part to give it a really cool textured finish. It's definitely not for everyone but I think it's a really unique look and hides ****ty machining issues well.
- If you've received your keyboard already, post it here! Want to see all your dope builds and see how you guys are pairing keysets with Modern M0110. The grey/beige classic sets work really great but particularly interested to see if folks make more ambitious keycap sets work as well ;)
Stay safe everyone!
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Post by: mchanneh on Tue, 19 May 2020, 17:08:44
- Somehow ended up with a surplus of a dozen or so extra light sand unengraved units from my Cerakote vendor going a bit crazy on the light sand :cool:. I will probably sell these as extras at the end of the GB (keeping them in reserves in case I need to swap out bottoms or tops if there are QC issues I didn't catch already). Was hoping if I had extras I'd do some cool unique colors or something but if I've learned anything from this GB, it's keep it simple. So yeah, if you're interested in extras, light sand unengraved units are probably coming in a month or two (or three :p) There may also be some B-stock units, where the raw aluminum parts got dented or dinged along the way (luckily I can fix surface finishing issues more easily with direct access to those vendors here in Socal) and for those I may do what's called a "shotpeen" finish where they fire a bunch of small metal balls at the part to give it a really cool textured finish. It's definitely not for everyone but I think it's a really unique look and hides ****ty machining issues well.
Sign me up! Followed.
Post by: macclack on Tue, 19 May 2020, 17:52:59
Any additional plates for sale? I'd really love to pick one up.
- Somehow ended up with a surplus of a dozen or so extra light sand unengraved units from my Cerakote vendor going a bit crazy on the light sand :cool:. I will probably sell these as extras at the end of the GB (keeping them in reserves in case I need to swap out bottoms or tops if there are QC issues I didn't catch already). Was hoping if I had extras I'd do some cool unique colors or something but if I've learned anything from this GB, it's keep it simple. So yeah, if you're interested in extras, light sand unengraved units are probably coming in a month or two (or three :p) There may also be some B-stock units, where the raw aluminum parts got dented or dinged along the way (luckily I can fix surface finishing issues more easily with direct access to those vendors here in Socal) and for those I may do what's called a "shotpeen" finish where they fire a bunch of small metal balls at the part to give it a really cool textured finish.
Post by: Fredington on Tue, 19 May 2020, 19:02:07
Any additional plates for sale? I'd really love to pick one up.
- Somehow ended up with a surplus of a dozen or so extra light sand unengraved units from my Cerakote vendor going a bit crazy on the light sand :cool:. I will probably sell these as extras at the end of the GB (keeping them in reserves in case I need to swap out bottoms or tops if there are QC issues I didn't catch already). Was hoping if I had extras I'd do some cool unique colors or something but if I've learned anything from this GB, it's keep it simple. So yeah, if you're interested in extras, light sand unengraved units are probably coming in a month or two (or three :p) There may also be some B-stock units, where the raw aluminum parts got dented or dinged along the way (luckily I can fix surface finishing issues more easily with direct access to those vendors here in Socal) and for those I may do what's called a "shotpeen" finish where they fire a bunch of small metal balls at the part to give it a really cool textured finish.
Brass or acrylic? I'm not going to use my acrylic plate (with foam insert).[/list]
Post by: macclack on Tue, 19 May 2020, 22:51:11
Brass or acrylic? I'm not going to use my acrylic plate (with foam insert). [/list]
Interested! Please PM me and let me know cost. Thx!
Post by: deskcandy on Wed, 20 May 2020, 02:00:11
Post by: macclack on Wed, 20 May 2020, 11:53:08
I will have extra plates for sale but going to wait to list them until all or almost all orders are shipped to be on the safe(r) side. Probably mostly extra brass plates but maybe some extra acrylic too.
Awesome. I'll definitely be looking to pick up an extra brass plate.
Post by: your_fish_monger on Thu, 21 May 2020, 10:55:06
I will have extra plates for sale but going to wait to list them until all or almost all orders are shipped to be on the safe(r) side. Probably mostly extra brass plates but maybe some extra acrylic too.
Yeah, John, I would ask that you wait until *all* units have shipped. It wouldn't be fair for people who received their board a year ago to already be able to get extra plates while many of us have yet to even see the keyboard, see how it sounds, etc. We have no idea if we would need a new, replacement, or second plate until we actually (finally, hopefully) receive ours.
Post by: dwarflemur on Thu, 21 May 2020, 12:17:53
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Post by: Starius on Thu, 21 May 2020, 13:43:21
If extras do run out, will files be provided the plate making services out there?
Post by: eyedrop on Thu, 21 May 2020, 18:58:47
I really should get in the habit of getting extra plates in the first place, I don’t know why I haven’t done so.
If extras do run out, will files be provided the plate making services out there?
You can download the plate design here! https://github.com/deskcandy/modern-m0110
Post by: Starius on Thu, 21 May 2020, 19:27:57
I really should get in the habit of getting extra plates in the first place, I don’t know why I haven’t done so.
If extras do run out, will files be provided the plate making services out there?
You can download the plate design here! https://github.com/deskcandy/modern-m0110
Thanks for pointing that out, eyedrop! :thumb:
Post by: deskcandy on Thu, 21 May 2020, 22:30:48
I will have extra plates for sale but going to wait to list them until all or almost all orders are shipped to be on the safe(r) side. Probably mostly extra brass plates but maybe some extra acrylic too.
Yeah, John, I would ask that you wait until *all* units have shipped. It wouldn't be fair for people who received their board a year ago to already be able to get extra plates while many of us have yet to even see the keyboard, see how it sounds, etc. We have no idea if we would need a new, replacement, or second plate until we actually (finally, hopefully) receive ours.
Noted, will do that thanks!
Post by: Starius on Fri, 22 May 2020, 06:02:57
Post by: macclack on Fri, 22 May 2020, 10:26:59
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Post by: Dumblescore on Fri, 22 May 2020, 11:05:26
I haven’t built a keyboard yet, so apologies if this is stupid, but why do you need extra plates? Do they break over time? I understand buying extra PCBs, but plates don’t seem quite as consumable of a partI really should get in the habit of getting extra plates in the first place, I don’t know why I haven’t done so.
If extras do run out, will files be provided the plate making services out there?
You can download the plate design here! https://github.com/deskcandy/modern-m0110
Post by: lukelex on Fri, 22 May 2020, 11:15:37
First reason. Plates can be off different materials, which might influence the typing feel.I haven’t built a keyboard yet, so apologies if this is stupid, but why do yuh need extra plates? Do they break over time? I understand buying extra PCBs, but plates don’t seem quite as consumable of a partI really should get in the habit of getting extra plates in the first place, I don’t know why I haven’t done so.
If extras do run out, will files be provided the plate making services out there?
You can download the plate design here! https://github.com/deskcandy/modern-m0110
Second reason. Some people like having spare parts in case they sell the board in the future.
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Post by: macclack on Fri, 22 May 2020, 11:30:17
I haven’t built a keyboard yet, so apologies if this is stupid, but why do yuh need extra plates? Do they break over time? I understand buying extra PCBs, but plates don’t seem quite as consumable of a partI really should get in the habit of getting extra plates in the first place, I don’t know why I haven’t done so.
If extras do run out, will files be provided the plate making services out there?
You can download the plate design here! https://github.com/deskcandy/modern-m0110
Another reason is that the plate and PCB support Alps or MX-style switches, which potentially lend themselves to very different typing sound/feel and keycap options.
Post by: Starius on Fri, 22 May 2020, 18:07:20
I haven’t built a keyboard yet, so apologies if this is stupid, but why do you need extra plates? Do they break over time? I understand buying extra PCBs, but plates don’t seem quite as consumable of a partI really should get in the habit of getting extra plates in the first place, I don’t know why I haven’t done so.
If extras do run out, will files be provided the plate making services out there?
You can download the plate design here! https://github.com/deskcandy/modern-m0110
In addition to what the others have mentioned, sometimes it's nice to have multiple plate/pcb/switch combos that can be relatively easily and quickly swapped out - for different typing experiences.
Post by: 곽도엽 on Sat, 23 May 2020, 06:48:37
What types of reinforcement plates can be installed?
Post by: ibabo on Sat, 23 May 2020, 19:06:21
Post by: biothermal on Sun, 24 May 2020, 07:58:19
Just got mine on thursday, built it with og doubleshots and filmed 70g sakura everglides. Has a few small imperfections but I'm super happy with it, sounds just like the original!
Danggggg. That's what I like to see! Such a good set up right there, nice build! :thumb:
Post by: slxdegrees on Mon, 25 May 2020, 11:35:56
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Post by: deskcandy on Mon, 25 May 2020, 14:03:29
Those who have already gotten theirs, how's the finish on the bottom for the cerakote units? I hear there's some slight pitting on certain areas..
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Maybe just chiming in here from the manufacturing angle (more details in previous posts) - the raw units have a rough diamond pattern on the bottom of the bottom piece. Unfortunately this happened before we were able to intervene in the machining process and had to figure out workarounds since it would be infeasible to redo them. For anodized units, we are polishing the bottoms in a light pass, which pretty much wipes out the diamond pattern without removing too much definition. For lighter Cerakote colors (light sand), we did two coats of paint to "fill in" some of the gaps. For darker colors generally found that a single coat worked fine.
Post by: ramensan on Tue, 26 May 2020, 15:31:58
Post by: deskcandy on Tue, 26 May 2020, 16:26:04
Post by: eyedrop on Thu, 28 May 2020, 22:38:27
The one in github is the universal one.
Post by: deskcandy on Mon, 01 June 2020, 11:25:35
John, would you happen to have the fixed layout ANSI plate file?
The one in github is the universal one.
Yep! Added it here: https://github.com/deskcandy/modern-m0110/tree/master/plates/hhkb
Post by: deskcandy on Tue, 02 June 2020, 19:01:58
Couple of quick updates:
- I met with the anodizers yesterday. They ran into a problem on gray because the matched color sample I approved was actually using a black dye but dipped for a very short amount of time. Basically what happened is that on the first few units they ran, they got a really splotchy color result because the keyboard only had ~10-15 seconds to absorb the dye, whereas you'd usually leave the part in the anodizing solution for several minutes instead of seconds. I asked them to use a "real" gray dye and we have a new sample dye on order to do another color test end of week or early next week. This means we are out another 1-2 weeks at least from having gray done :-[
- Similar situation on Cerakote sadly. Two weekends ago they were very confident I'd get the ~25 light sand units remaining back from them and basically get to 100% done on Cerakote by last Friday, but I checked in on Sunday and they actually didn't do any keyboards this week. Am told I should have some units to pick up Friday so I'm shooting for then.
- I discovered that if you do an HHKB layout with Alps style switches with the universal plate design, the Alps switches are a *very* tight fit in the 1.5u delete slot, so I'd recommend filing down the little tab on the right of where that switch goes before you assemble if possible, otherwise you may need to shave off some plastic from the switch housing itself.
- I forgot to send some folks who ordered Alps Throwback their replacement ABS spacebars with their Modern M0110 order, so if you need a new set of spacebars because of PBT shrinkage/warping in your set, please email me and I'll hook you up. Sorry for the trouble.
Thanks everyone.
Post by: jmdaly on Tue, 02 June 2020, 19:04:56
Post by: USER9127 on Wed, 03 June 2020, 08:23:55
While it sucks the grey anodized are delayed, not much can be done about it. Glad you are being exacting on the process and striving towards perfection though!
This whole saga is making me concerned about the state of US manufacturing sector though. Deskcandy, if you get some time, can you do a short list of "lessons learned" for those who may want to do a similar GB in the US? There is much experience here that could be helpful, and pitfalls that could be avoided by those who wish to follow in your footsteps.
Post by: rpiguy9907 on Wed, 03 June 2020, 20:42:45
This whole saga is making me concerned about the state of US manufacturing sector though. Deskcandy, if you get some time, can you do a short list of "lessons learned" for those who may want to do a similar GB in the US? There is much experience here that could be helpful, and pitfalls that could be avoided by those who wish to follow in your footsteps.
I bet there isn't all that much to it. Basically in China manpower is plentiful and inexpensive. More importantly factories and raw materials are shared in ways that aren't done here. In China a small batch is very profitable because machinists are available to run small jobs on machines that have been paid for and amortized by the factory on raw materials that the government helps procure at rock bottom prices.
In the US and the West in general, small jobs are not very profitable. Finding a machine shop that can do this kind of job on time and at a reasonable cost is like finding a needle in a haystack. And even then it will still cost more than China. Witness the latest round of cases from Norbauer. A machine shop will charge you minimum $75/hour for machining here in the US.
Might be worth talking to the Honeyboards guys about how to find a machine shop that can do this kind of job, since they do it themselves.
Post by: Jolly_Green_Giant on Thu, 04 June 2020, 11:19:22
Post by: deskcandy on Thu, 04 June 2020, 17:43:22
This whole saga is making me concerned about the state of US manufacturing sector though. Deskcandy, if you get some time, can you do a short list of "lessons learned" for those who may want to do a similar GB in the US? There is much experience here that could be helpful, and pitfalls that could be avoided by those who wish to follow in your footsteps.
I bet there isn't all that much to it. Basically in China manpower is plentiful and inexpensive. More importantly factories and raw materials are shared in ways that aren't done here. In China a small batch is very profitable because machinists are available to run small jobs on machines that have been paid for and amortized by the factory on raw materials that the government helps procure at rock bottom prices.
In the US and the West in general, small jobs are not very profitable. Finding a machine shop that can do this kind of job on time and at a reasonable cost is like finding a needle in a haystack. And even then it will still cost more than China. Witness the latest round of cases from Norbauer. A machine shop will charge you minimum $75/hour for machining here in the US.
Might be worth talking to the Honeyboards guys about how to find a machine shop that can do this kind of job, since they do it themselves.
Yeah this is a lot of it. I'll do my own write up at some point once the GB is wrapped up, but yea China factories get access to government-subsidized materials and the whole ecosystem here in the states (especially in southern california) is geared towards aerospace where customers are not as price sensitive but "made in USA" and tight tolerances and adherence to certified processes is a high priority, so the only machine shops that will do a project like a small run of keyboards are sort of leftovers that either didn't make it or tried to carve out some kind of other niche. Although as a counterpoint, my Cerakote vendor is also a gun parts shop and they started machining their own products in-house and have insane margins (if you want to feel better about how much keyboards cost, Google customized/Cerakotes glock slides or sights lol) so it works. Keyboards are relatively cheap compared to gun parts even though the manufacturing process is super similar and pistol parts are way smaller.
The shop I worked with is a "prototyping" focused shop but does not have a tight working relationship with folks who run other parts of the process and would not manage that part of the process for me (labor too expensive), so I had to do a lot of things myself that "factories" in China will manage internally. I still have a full-time job and don't have a truck, warehouse, or forklift so managing vendor meetings and material movement was bit of a challenge lol.
I accepted lower margins because I thought paying more for manufacturing in the US would mean less QC issues, but I think I ended up paying more than I needed to for manufacturing AND had more QC issues than if I had gone to China. More to come in a later postmortem :D
Post by: macclack on Fri, 05 June 2020, 13:47:42
This whole saga is making me concerned about the state of US manufacturing sector though. Deskcandy, if you get some time, can you do a short list of "lessons learned" for those who may want to do a similar GB in the US? There is much experience here that could be helpful, and pitfalls that could be avoided by those who wish to follow in your footsteps.
I bet there isn't all that much to it. Basically in China manpower is plentiful and inexpensive. More importantly factories and raw materials are shared in ways that aren't done here. In China a small batch is very profitable because machinists are available to run small jobs on machines that have been paid for and amortized by the factory on raw materials that the government helps procure at rock bottom prices.
In the US and the West in general, small jobs are not very profitable. Finding a machine shop that can do this kind of job on time and at a reasonable cost is like finding a needle in a haystack. And even then it will still cost more than China. Witness the latest round of cases from Norbauer. A machine shop will charge you minimum $75/hour for machining here in the US.
Might be worth talking to the Honeyboards guys about how to find a machine shop that can do this kind of job, since they do it themselves.
Yeah this is a lot of it. I'll do my own write up at some point once the GB is wrapped up, but yea China factories get access to government-subsidized materials and the whole ecosystem here in the states (especially in southern california) is geared towards aerospace where customers are not as price sensitive but "made in USA" and tight tolerances and adherence to certified processes is a high priority, so the only machine shops that will do a project like a small run of keyboards are sort of leftovers that either didn't make it or tried to carve out some kind of other niche. Although as a counterpoint, my Cerakote vendor is also a gun parts shop and they started machining their own products in-house and have insane margins (if you want to feel better about how much keyboards cost, Google customized/Cerakotes glock slides or sights lol) so it works. Keyboards are relatively cheap compared to gun parts even though the manufacturing process is super similar and pistol parts are way smaller.
The shop I worked with is a "prototyping" focused shop but does not have a tight working relationship with folks who run other parts of the process and would not manage that part of the process for me (labor too expensive), so I had to do a lot of things myself that "factories" in China will manage internally. I still have a full-time job and don't have a truck, warehouse, or forklift so managing vendor meetings and material movement was bit of a challenge lol.
I accepted lower margins because I thought paying more for manufacturing in the US would mean less QC issues, but I think I ended up paying more than I needed to for manufacturing AND had more QC issues than if I had gone to China. More to come in a later postmortem :D
This is interesting stuff. I'm looking forward to reading more when you do the postmortem writeup.
Post by: deskcandy on Thu, 11 June 2020, 00:04:31
I picked up a batch on Monday night from the Cerakote vendor, but it's a really bad batch. I guess they are having problems with the paint gun and everything turned out pretty poorly (especially the tops, some bottoms are fine for some reason) so this is slowing down Cerakote shipments right now. Still no update on anodization but should be doing *another* color approval on Friday (another because I already did this a few months ago but apparently it was for an impossible color lol).
Thanks for being patient and I hope to have another update Friday or early next week.
John
Post by: deskcandy on Fri, 19 June 2020, 16:43:26
I'm going to be honest - it has been a pretty rough last couple of weeks for the group buy. I have had 2 complete batches of Light Sand Cerakote that 100% failed QC (one was super bumpy because of a bad paint gun and one batch was completely missing color on one edge).... It really sucks and I'm trying to push the guys to get things back on track because I basically have run out of shippable Cerakote units and am annoyed that progress has slowed down to a halt.
On the anodizing front, things are not that much better. Basically got told that the grey color I approved months ago was not possible to actually run in production (I still can't really explain why they said it isn't possible - they said it's because they used a black dye for only a few seconds versus a "true" grey dye) but I took a look at another grey production sample today that looks good. Main problem left though is that there are workholding marks and we are back to square one with workholding. We are doing ANOTHER production sample next week holding the parts with screws (which is how I wanted to do it months ago...lol) and fingers crossed will be good to finish the greys. I don't want to overpromise on timing so best case scenario is that we start running all grey production mid-week next week and finish 2-3 weeks later and ship out all grey by mid-July. Worst case is much much later or even having to scuttle the grey color if they really cannot do the production. That's the "nuclear option" and I really hope it doesn't come to that so let's see.
Here's a shot of the latest grey sample I took a look at this morning. I think the color is good but we need to get rid of the workholding marks and hopefully make the finish "shine" a bit more.
I'll keep pushing and hope that the next few weeks start going a lot better and I can get to shipping out keyboards again soon. Thanks for your patience everyone and happy Juneteenth.
John
Post by: gex on Fri, 19 June 2020, 16:47:39
Post by: deskcandy on Fri, 19 June 2020, 16:56:21
are you going to sell these “defected” cases as b stock or what’s your plan with them?
This one is going to get refinished, so it's not going to be B-stock (imperfection is due to finishing process, not machining process, so it's fixable).
B-stock will generally be units with more serious issues like dents and dings. I might run some of these in a special finish call "shotpeen" which has a bumpy textured finish and will look good even if there were problems with the original machining or if the original metal was damaged somehow but I'm not sure yet. I can't even really think about B-stock that much because there's still so much work left to finish shipping A-stock orders.
Post by: gex on Fri, 19 June 2020, 17:14:06
I can't even really think about B-stock that much because there's still so much work left to finish shipping A-stock orders.
i didn't mean to distract you with my silly question. i missed the gb but despite these issues i really like the progress and especially the transparency you are making with these status reports. maybe one day i can buy a remaining unit. keep up the good work!
Post by: deskcandy on Fri, 19 June 2020, 17:53:03
Post by: crowKAKAWWW on Sat, 20 June 2020, 12:41:48
I know this was already discussed before, but I think it would be really beneficial for the MK community to share which vendors were used for this GB. I've been seeing more "Made in USA" GBs lately and would hate for them to go through the same experience that we currently are. 2+ years to get a production-approved ano color is wild.
Post by: deskcandy on Sat, 20 June 2020, 18:57:39
Post by: alphabirth on Tue, 23 June 2020, 06:04:22
(https://i.imgur.com/fSDY7ji.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/zk8334C.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/jTSFJHa.jpg)
Built with lubed mint pandas and it feels amazing. Thanks John for the excellent board! :thumb:
Post by: nulltorious on Wed, 24 June 2020, 06:23:20
Post by: dwarflemur on Wed, 24 June 2020, 13:41:24
Post by: macclack on Wed, 24 June 2020, 17:19:49
Post by: janglad on Wed, 24 June 2020, 17:22:57
I tried downloading the default/universal plate file to make a custom plate on Laserboost and neither I or Laserboost could get the file to work. Has anyone else had success with it? I'm wondering if I'm doing something wrong or if there's an issue with the file.
Could you describe the issues you're having? I know Fusion can be wonky with DXF export. I checked this before and it looked fine when I imported it into both Fusion360 and Illustrator (altho I do know nothing about Illustrator).
Post by: gnho on Thu, 25 June 2020, 13:01:04
Post by: Helcera on Thu, 25 June 2020, 13:32:46
Shame about the production issues though, must suck to have to deal with them :( Let's hope that the new batch turns out fine. And even if there are more delays I definitely appreciate that you're keeping us posted on what's happening. I can handle waiting much better than uncertainty.
Post by: slxdegrees on Thu, 25 June 2020, 21:46:00
I tried downloading the default/universal plate file to make a custom plate on Laserboost and neither I or Laserboost could get the file to work. Has anyone else had success with it? I'm wondering if I'm doing something wrong or if there's an issue with the file.
Could you describe the issues you're having? I know Fusion can be wonky with DXF export. I checked this before and it looked fine when I imported it into both Fusion360 and Illustrator (altho I do know nothing about Illustrator).
I tried downloading the default/universal plate file to make a custom plate on Laserboost and neither I or Laserboost could get the file to work. Has anyone else had success with it? I'm wondering if I'm doing something wrong or if there's an issue with the file.
You might be downloading from Github wrong. Made that same mistake initially too. Anyway I have uploaded the file to MEGA to simplify things, so here you go (https://mega.nz/file/DR5hAbwB#GcuKR2R7M58vRDN9r9Hjta9WEou4nPsjZAbQNi_UfXI)!
Post by: gnho on Fri, 26 June 2020, 00:36:12
You might be downloading from Github wrong. Made that same mistake initially too. Anyway I have uploaded the file to MEGA to simplify things, so here you go (https://mega.nz/file/DR5hAbwB#GcuKR2R7M58vRDN9r9Hjta9WEou4nPsjZAbQNi_UfXI)!
Is this one Alps compatible? Are people interested in cutting the plates together to lower the price? I can contact LaserBoost to see if we can do a mini-GB.
Post by: slxdegrees on Fri, 26 June 2020, 02:56:21
Yeah it's the one uploaded by Deskcandy, so if that one supports alps then yeah. I only added the Mega mirror cos people were having trouble downloading from Github.
You might be downloading from Github wrong. Made that same mistake initially too. Anyway I have uploaded the file to MEGA to simplify things, so here you go (https://mega.nz/file/DR5hAbwB#GcuKR2R7M58vRDN9r9Hjta9WEou4nPsjZAbQNi_UfXI)!
Is this one Alps compatible? Are people interested in cutting the plates together to lower the price? I can contact LaserBoost to see if we can do a mini-GB.
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Post by: macclack on Fri, 26 June 2020, 13:53:53
I tried downloading the default/universal plate file to make a custom plate on Laserboost and neither I or Laserboost could get the file to work. Has anyone else had success with it? I'm wondering if I'm doing something wrong or if there's an issue with the file.
Could you describe the issues you're having? I know Fusion can be wonky with DXF export. I checked this before and it looked fine when I imported it into both Fusion360 and Illustrator (altho I do know nothing about Illustrator).
Hi, I sent the GitHub link to laser boost's support team to see if they could download it and use it. Here was their response:
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We can not open the file from the github, do you have the file in another version /format?
Thanks!
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I'm just not knowledgeable enough to be able to troubleshoot or provide more detail than that... I'll be the first to admit it's probably something I'm doing wrong.
Post by: janglad on Fri, 26 June 2020, 13:55:34
I tried downloading the default/universal plate file to make a custom plate on Laserboost and neither I or Laserboost could get the file to work. Has anyone else had success with it? I'm wondering if I'm doing something wrong or if there's an issue with the file.
Could you describe the issues you're having? I know Fusion can be wonky with DXF export. I checked this before and it looked fine when I imported it into both Fusion360 and Illustrator (altho I do know nothing about Illustrator).
Hi, I sent the GitHub link to laser boost's support team to see if they could download it and use it. Here was their response:
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We can not open the file from the github, do you have the file in another version /format?
Thanks!
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I'm just not knowledgeable enough to be able to troubleshoot or provide more detail than that... I'll be the first to admit it's probably something I'm doing wrong.
This might be stupid but did you try sending them the file directly? People sometimes find the way to download a single file from GitHub confusing.
Post by: macclack on Fri, 26 June 2020, 14:03:15
I tried downloading the default/universal plate file to make a custom plate on Laserboost and neither I or Laserboost could get the file to work. Has anyone else had success with it? I'm wondering if I'm doing something wrong or if there's an issue with the file.
Could you describe the issues you're having? I know Fusion can be wonky with DXF export. I checked this before and it looked fine when I imported it into both Fusion360 and Illustrator (altho I do know nothing about Illustrator).I tried downloading the default/universal plate file to make a custom plate on Laserboost and neither I or Laserboost could get the file to work. Has anyone else had success with it? I'm wondering if I'm doing something wrong or if there's an issue with the file.
You might be downloading from Github wrong. Made that same mistake initially too. Anyway I have uploaded the file to MEGA to simplify things, so here you go (https://mega.nz/file/DR5hAbwB#GcuKR2R7M58vRDN9r9Hjta9WEou4nPsjZAbQNi_UfXI)!
This worked! Thank you.
Post by: macclack on Fri, 26 June 2020, 14:05:22
This might be stupid but did you try sending them the file directly? People sometimes find the way to download a single file from GitHub confusing....And I guess I'm one of those people :D
I guess I should figure out how to use GitHub
Post by: Starius on Fri, 26 June 2020, 15:44:53
This might be stupid but did you try sending them the file directly? People sometimes find the way to download a single file from GitHub confusing....And I guess I'm one of those people :D
I guess I should figure out how to use GitHub
Dont feel bad, I had the exact same problem with the file and Laserboost. Apparently I don't know how to use github either.
(In my defense, trying to get the plate file there is my only experience with it.)
Post by: Starius on Fri, 26 June 2020, 15:46:19
Post by: your_fish_monger on Thu, 02 July 2020, 13:33:59
Post by: eyedrop on Sun, 05 July 2020, 18:20:35
This might be stupid but did you try sending them the file directly? People sometimes find the way to download a single file from GitHub confusing....And I guess I'm one of those people :D
I guess I should figure out how to use GitHub
Dont feel bad, I had the exact same problem with the file and Laserboost. Apparently I don't know how to use github either.
(In my defense, trying to get the plate file there is my only experience with it.)
And we now enter year three.I thought 07/01/2018 to 07/01/2020 is two years only?
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Post by: pixelpusher on Sun, 05 July 2020, 20:19:10
Any updoots?
Post by: eyedrop on Sun, 05 July 2020, 23:51:31
Hopefully some of those issues can be resolved quickly and boards can be delivered.
Post by: deskcandy on Mon, 06 July 2020, 22:21:10
Quick update. I picked up a batch of ~10 good light sand bottoms last week so will start pairing those up, sending order updates, and shipping those out. On the anodizing front, the anodizer wanted to try another workholding method with titanium screws and I was only able to get those to him last Monday, so I'm going to visit them again tomorrow for another update and see how things are going. Color on the grey units is very good but it's really tough to get them consistent. I think we are very close but I'm not sure if they have run more than a few yet. Will keep you guys posted.
Thanks as always for the patience.
Best,
John
Post by: deskcandy on Mon, 20 July 2020, 10:49:21
Just got back from the anodizer and picked up 6 grey units. They all look great but the grey anodization has to be done in small batches to get the color as consistent as possible so it will take a few weeks for all of them to be completed.
In the meantime, I will start getting these 6 ready to ship so please look out for order confirmation emails. Thanks!
Post by: beekey on Mon, 20 July 2020, 12:06:34
Post by: crowKAKAWWW on Mon, 20 July 2020, 12:29:16
Post by: deskcandy on Thu, 23 July 2020, 15:21:07
Here's a pic of the gray.
Post by: mgsickler on Thu, 23 July 2020, 18:00:01
Some of these will go to Europe, but proxies aren't taking units until their shipment is 100% complete so EU and China will probably be among the last ones fulfilled unfortunately.Nice. Looking forward to getting mine. :)
Here's a pic of the gray.
Post by: schlep on Fri, 24 July 2020, 07:50:50
Some of these will go to Europe, but proxies aren't taking units until their shipment is 100% complete so EU and China will probably be among the last ones fulfilled unfortunately.
Here's a pic of the gray.
I hope one of the 6 goes to me. 😃 From Singapore.
Post by: sleepybrett on Sat, 25 July 2020, 09:04:50
Post by: dwarflemur on Sat, 25 July 2020, 11:04:14
You need to start publishing lists of orders (with initials) with estimated shipping dates. This **** is officially out of control stupid.
What a nicely and politely worded friendly message lmao.
Being toxic ain’t gonna help anyone bruh
Post by: sleepybrett on Sat, 25 July 2020, 15:29:08
You need to start publishing lists of orders (with initials) with estimated shipping dates. This **** is officially out of control stupid.
What a nicely and politely worded friendly message lmao.
Being toxic ain’t gonna help anyone bruh
I'm not sure how that was 'toxic' ... this guy and the company that represents him has had our money for more than three years. For months and months he makes no updates. Now he's sent out a handful of boards, if the replies are to be believed, but those of us who have yet to be surprised by boards magically showing up in the mail have literally no idea when we will see the products promised.
I'm kind of passed just hoping boards show up at some point.
Post by: deskcandy on Sat, 25 July 2020, 15:53:23
The reason I am not putting shipping dates on every order is because of how my vendors are working.
Me: "Hey when can I pick up more completed Cerakote units?"
Them: "Next Wednesday we'll have 10 more done, and will have 100% complete by end of next week"
Me: "Awesome!"
[Next Tuesday] Me: "Hey confirming that I'm picking up 10 units tomorrow"
[Next Wednesday] Me: "Hey about to head down to pick up those 10 units" (it's an hour+ drive depending on traffic). No reply so I call and they say "oh yeah we've been slammed so we don't have anything yet"
It sometimes goes on like this for weeks of me pestering them and sometimes they deliver in bursts and I try to work as hard as I can to ship everything out. I am trying something else right now which I think might give them motivation to finish faster but I really cannot 100% promise they will deliver by a certain deadline.
On the anodization side, the shop is very professional but just had a really hard time getting the color right, so I expect that part to be done in fairly short order.
Post by: deskcandy on Sat, 25 July 2020, 15:55:01
If it makes you feel any better, this GB has been way worse for me financially than anyone who joined the GB.
Post by: deskcandy on Sat, 25 July 2020, 16:08:36
Post by: broden on Sat, 25 July 2020, 16:10:03
It sucks, but it is what it is.
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Post by: Starius on Sat, 25 July 2020, 20:22:20
For those of you still waiting, I just wanted to say it is indeed worth the wait. It is a quality signature piece keyboard, and from what I can tell John / Deskcandy has taken all the necessary precautions to ensure these boards measure up to that level of quality in spite of setbacks.
All group buys have risks, it's the unpredictable nature of the beast. I've taken part in enough group buys now in the last few years to know that "delays" should really be expected in some shape or form. Of course, the causes and lengths these delays will vary from one group buy to the next. But this is no "Lumina" situation here. I have faith that your patience shall be rewarded.
On a somewhat related note, I work in the sale of professional grade tools and I can tell you that we live in a age where it's very difficult just to get stock product items, often waiting for months on end for inventory to be fulfilled. In light of that, I consider any custom made projects like this coming out this year to be a win. Just my 2 cents, for what it's worth.
Post by: pmsingchicken on Tue, 28 July 2020, 23:34:35
(https://i.imgur.com/WqHY7Oe.jpg)
Post by: crowKAKAWWW on Wed, 29 July 2020, 15:07:39
Post by: pixelpusher on Fri, 31 July 2020, 14:58:05
The bummer I had was using the throwback alps set. Apparently no one ever noticed that SPs DCS alps space bar isn’t fully compatible with alps switches. It only allows about 2/3 of the switch travel before contact between the underneath of the space bar and the switch top housing. Rotation doesn’t help because alps switches are symmetrical, unlike MX.
I guess I can do a non-matching MX space bar.
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Edit
I think I found out a way to make it work. It seems the issue is that the cap stem doesn’t have the cross supports around it to keep the stem from going too deep into the switch. So if you are careful when you put the cap on the switch and only press it down partially it fixes the issue.
I’ll upload some pics when I get it finished. I got serial Number 72!
Post by: pixelpusher on Sat, 01 August 2020, 01:25:51
Late, so you get potato.
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I couldn’t get any of the alps throwback space bars to work. They were all too out of spec. I wasn’t planning to use this Yuri set on here, but here we are. Blue alps, of course.
Sound test
Post by: crowKAKAWWW on Sat, 01 August 2020, 01:39:44
Post by: pixelpusher on Sat, 01 August 2020, 01:53:24
Very nice, can we get a sound test by any chance?
added it
Post by: deskcandy on Sat, 01 August 2020, 16:29:07
Hopefully that means mine is almost ready! (I was the one that snatched #069)
Just sent out your order confirmation ;)
Post by: deskcandy on Sat, 01 August 2020, 16:30:22
Just got my order. Everything looks pretty good. Plate has some scratches and the base shows all of the machining marks through the cerakote, but I won’t see those in use.
The bummer I had was using the throwback alps set. Apparently no one ever noticed that SPs DCS alps space bar isn’t fully compatible with alps switches. It only allows about 2/3 of the switch travel before contact between the underneath of the space bar and the switch top housing. Rotation doesn’t help because alps switches are symmetrical, unlike MX.
I guess I can do a non-matching MX space bar.
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Edit
I think I found out a way to make it work. It seems the issue is that the cap stem doesn’t have the cross supports around it to keep the stem from going too deep into the switch. So if you are careful when you put the cap on the switch and only press it down partially it fixes the issue.
I’ll upload some pics when I get it finished. I got serial Number 72!
Looks great!! Yeah we tried to hide bottom machining marks as much as possible but this was really tough on the Cerakote units - we did two layers of paint, otherwise would have been a lot worse. The anodized units go through a metal polishing step on the bottom which comes out a bit smoother :/
Post by: pixelpusher on Sat, 01 August 2020, 17:54:35
Post by: deskcandy on Mon, 03 August 2020, 22:43:19
Quick update.
- Just picked up 3 more Cerakote keyboards - these were all custom colors and emails going out for those shortly (Corvette Yellow, Jesse James Blue, Graphite Black). We should have all but one custom colors done tomorrow or Wednesday, then it's all light sand from here on out. There are 25 light sand keyboards remaining to have surface finished (out of 72 total light sand keyboards in the entire GB). Cerakote guys are 90% confident we'll have them all done by August 23.
- Anodizing is still moving along pretty quick. Should be picking up at least another 10 on Wednesday or Thursday to ship out later in the week or over the weekend. Depending on where they are at, this could be the final or second to final pickup on their side. There are 21 more anodized units to finish and they have consistently done 10-15 per week for the last 2 weeks.
- Please check your emails. Most people are replying to order confirmation emails within a few hours (thank you!) but there are a handful who are nonresponsive or reply after several weeks or months. I have very limited space and if you don't reply right away, I need to set your keyboard aside and it may delay your shipment further once you are able to respond so please try to get back to us asap to confirm shipping address and order contents.
Here's an overview of the shipping* and stocked status. Most email confirmations have gone out for "stocked" keyboards. *Note that "shipped" includes keyboards which are packed in their smaller box and fully ready to go but are going to proxies. The proxies are doing a bulk shipment at the end, so if you ordered thru zFrontier or MyKeyboard you'll be one of the last to receive your keyboards. I could these as "shipped" as I work towards an unfinished inventory of zero.
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No firm promises yet but I am looking at having around 12 Cerakote extras and ~10 non-Cerakote extras (I have a really cool finish idea in mind but don't want to share it yet :cool:). Cerakote guys accidentally did too many blank Light Sand keyboards, which I've set aside just in case I need them until the GB officially ends, but those will probably be the first available. Whatever is available, including extra accessories such as brass plates, will go on sale a few weeks after the last order has shipped to give everyone who joined the initial GB some time to think about if they want any of those things before they are sold out.
Thanks everyone and stay safe.
Post by: deskcandy on Wed, 05 August 2020, 23:52:49
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Close to 2/3 fulfilled now. Wasn't able to do a Cerakote pickup tonight but should be getting in another 8-10 tomorrow.
Anodizing is skipping a week :'( I'll be syncing back up with them Monday and hopefully getting most, if not all, of the rest of the anodized units next week.
Post by: deskcandy on Sat, 08 August 2020, 19:12:17
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There were 3 anodized units ready on Friday that I haven't picked up yet and aren't represented here. Targeting pickup Wednesday as there will hopefully be more available by then. We are 2 units away from being complete on the EU proxy order, both anodized, so there's a decent chance that will be able to go out in 1-2 weeks.
18 Cerakote units left, down from 35 as of last Monday. At this rate we could be done with Cerakote in 1 week :) All Light Sand except a Rose Gold and Multicam White/Gray custom left.
Post by: crowKAKAWWW on Wed, 12 August 2020, 13:50:43
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Post by: macclack on Wed, 12 August 2020, 14:16:07
Came in today, it's nice and heavy ;D
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Nice number :thumb:
Post by: deskcandy on Wed, 12 August 2020, 22:46:52
Came in today, it's nice and heavy ;D
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Looks great! I am really happy with how gray came out in the end, I think all the rounds of R&D might have been worth it ;)
Post by: deskcandy on Thu, 13 August 2020, 00:10:56
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One thing we learned from this GB, is that even after relaxing our tolerances and only working with very thin surface finishes (anodizing and Cerakote), there were still occasional fitment issues.
Also excuse this sorry looking green Modern M0110, this is a very old V1 prototype from 2017 and is super dusty and has its own set of issues lol
Post by: pixelpusher on Thu, 13 August 2020, 00:11:17
Post by: deskcandy on Thu, 13 August 2020, 00:21:04
- It's really, really hard to get a consistent finish with Cerakote versus other popular alternatives like anodizing, e-white, or powder coat because it's basically just a heat-cured paint and has to be applied by hand i.e., less "automatic" in color application
- Cerakote's color library is just not well setup to serve the keyboard community. That could obviously change and they are starting to release more light colors, but it's really a lot of earth tones and blacks to serve the gun collector community.
- Cerakote is not as durable as people say it is, especially with the light colors like sand. It scratches and smudges VERY easy (please treat your M0110 with care guys!!!) and hard to touch up any issues with starting over from scratch (blasting, degreasing, painting, baking). Smudges are easy to clean off but for other finish issues you need to repaint. Do NOT under any circumstances attempt to sand your Cerakote!
Doing a Cerakote GB was a really stressful experience for me, and even if I do another keyboard GB in the future, Cerakote will pretty much be at the bottom of my list in terms of finish options. It definitely looks cool and is totally unique, but I have a feeling this GB was unique in its Cerakote offerings for a reason (i.e., other people don't want to touch it either...)
Post by: deskcandy on Thu, 13 August 2020, 00:27:43
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TLDR is that we need about 20 more anodized and 15 more Cerakote finished. About to ship out 2 but the "in stock" buffer is a bit higher now but I'm dead tired and going to try and burn this down a bit tomorrow.
Post by: pixelpusher on Thu, 13 August 2020, 00:27:49
Perhaps powdercoat is the way to go. Of course, I assume that has a lot of ramifications on board design. I've been in the hobby for several years now, and I can remember from day 1 wanting something like my Modern M0110. So happy to have it.
Post by: deskcandy on Thu, 13 August 2020, 00:31:15
Yes, it seems everything I've been involved with concerning cerakote has been a nightmare. But again, the light sand finish on my board is hands down the best cerakote finish I've had so far. (I own 3 others). So, props to your eye and the finisher's skills.
Perhaps powdercoat is the way to go. Of course, I assume that has a lot of ramifications on board design. I've been in the hobby for several years now, and I can remember from day 1 wanting something like my Modern M0110. So happy to have it.
Thank you, notes like this give me the energy to keep pushing ;D
I don't recall if we did for your specific board, but most Light Sand Cerakote boards had to be repainted at some point (like complete redo, sandblast, repaint, bake) and some even with a touch up or two after then. It's just incredibly inefficient to run a GB like that because I live about 40 miles away from the Cerakote vendor, so sometimes I had to make multiple trips and only after 2 or 3 trips get like 4 keyboards completed lol
Post by: deskcandy on Thu, 13 August 2020, 00:34:57
Yes, it seems everything I've been involved with concerning cerakote has been a nightmare. But again, the light sand finish on my board is hands down the best cerakote finish I've had so far. (I own 3 others). So, props to your eye and the finisher's skills.
Perhaps powdercoat is the way to go. Of course, I assume that has a lot of ramifications on board design. I've been in the hobby for several years now, and I can remember from day 1 wanting something like my Modern M0110. So happy to have it.
Also yeah, powdercoat is annoying because you need to consider whether to build 2 different CAD files with different tolerances, one for anodizing and one for powdercoat to account for a substantial difference in thickness if you have closely interlocking parts (like Modern M0110 had). It exponentially increases the complexity of the GB once the raw machined aluminum parts are not 100% fungible (another obstacle I created for myself with unique serial numbers and custom engravings...). If you want to offer anodized + OTHER finishes, powder coat is probably a bad option but if you're only doing powder coat (or something like a tray mount with a simple design), then it can work for sure. I love powder coated things personally, just feels more "rugged" to me and there's so much more texture possibilities. Major hat tip to Mr Norbauer for his work building amazing powder coated keyboards.
Post by: your_fish_monger on Sat, 15 August 2020, 18:11:59
Post by: deskcandy on Sat, 15 August 2020, 21:50:04
I've been a pretty big a-hole at times, both in this thread and on Reddit, about this GB. But I'll be damned if my anodized board isn't one of the most impressive pieces I've ever seen in this hobby. I know you're probably taking a bath on the financials in this. But your QC is much appreciated. Timeline has been rough but holy hell was it in a weird way actually worth it.
Haha yeah no worries, I totally feel you and have felt burned myself in GBs in the past so I do see where you're coming from and try not to take it personally. It's really tough to prove, especially over the internet, that this is a "real" project and I definitely am not trying to rip anyone off, but I ran into some really challenging (for me) issues with the project and the stress got to me so bad it was hard to provide the right level of updates to put y'all at ease.
In other news, I just got this video from the Cerakote guys. All the remaining light sand keyboards are blasted and ready to paint for Monday. Shooting to FINISH Cerakote production next week. Let's do this!!
P.S. I might need an additional week after this coming week to ship all remaining Cerakote to folks that ordered through me (as opposed to MyKeyboard or zFrontier). There's a crazy heatwave hitting LA right now and the temperature in my workshop was close to 100 without AC or ventilation today so it's hard for me to put in the hours to get everything shipped out until things cool down (literally).
Post by: deskcandy on Sat, 15 August 2020, 21:52:10
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Making an anodized pickup Thursday or Friday and that should get us pretty close to 100% in stock by end of week. Will keep y'all posted.
P.S. 1 more keyboard away for each of Mykeyboard and zFrontier so fingers crossed can ship out intl proxy orders next week.
Post by: Starius on Wed, 19 August 2020, 09:30:37
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Current status:
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Got a good backlog of keyboards to ship out so will be sending a bunch of order confirmations this weekend. Everything will ship Wednesday as I will not have access to my shop again until then. Thanks everyone.
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Post by: deskcandy on Tue, 25 August 2020, 02:02:16
hopefully it'll inspire other designers to many in the US itself (I'm not from the US), which would really help local businesses in the USIt will not. Many issues were caused exactly by local manufacturers.
TL;DR - more nuanced than just US vs China, there's different options available in each locale and different ones are better for different GBs and more importantly, GB runners and China is more "beginner friendly" than the US. My basic advice to first-time GB runners would be to pick one of the China shops that has already done mech keyboards before and knows how to work with non-pro CAD designs. If you know CAD/CAM, metal finishing, packaging, and ecommerce pretty well already and have a warehouse, then US might be an option too.
Yeah it's hard to compare apples to apples. many China-manufactured GBs are manufactured by what are called rapid prototyping or low-run manufacturing shops. They don't necessarily do all the work themselves though and may subcontract work to others, like a general contractor contracting out certain specialized tasks to others (e.g., CNC machining, anodizing, packaging, etc). I have not found anyone like this in the US who can actually take care of everything from start to end. The rapid prototyping shops I talked to in the US may give you a referral for anodizing, but they will not actually handle the logistics of it for you.
So in this GB, I basically had to fill many of the same functions the China-based rapid prototyping shop would in terms of coordinating the work between several different vendors, which was a big PITA instead of just a simple contract "I give you some $, you give me back perfect keyboards, I give you rest of $". HUGE learning experience but yeah, nobody seems to match the turnkey service you can get in China here in the US. Hard for me to pin down whether that's cost of labor or just cultural differences (nobody wants to be responsible for all the problems in an end-to-end product) but I would not go down the same route again in the future.
This GB on its own doesn't mean "do not do GBs in the US", more that the particular approach I took was too much for my level of experience at the time with manufacturing and the particular subcontractors (so to speak) I hired were not ideal to the project. All of that on top of how complex I made the SKUs (too many color choices, engraving, etc). I think if you know exactly what you want and how to coordinate all of the logistics you can definitely make US manufacturing work, albeit probably at a higher price point. Norbauer is doing this and pulling it off successfully.
Post by: deskcandy on Wed, 26 August 2020, 21:57:55
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Last Cerakote keyboard is done and just awaiting my pickup from the vendor. Spent some time at the anodizer today and we're mostly on track there but a bunch of keyboards need to be re-blasted which is going to keep delaying the remaining units. Almost done guys!
Post by: deskcandy on Fri, 28 August 2020, 00:49:11
Just wanted to announce that we just reached a critical milestone - all Cerakote finishing is complete!! There are 8 anodized units left to finish and then this GB will be complete and I can ship proxy orders!
If you ordered directly from Desk Candy and have NOT received your order confirmation email and you think this is in error, please contact me asap!
Thanks everyone
Post by: TheBlackHammer on Fri, 28 August 2020, 06:45:03
Hey folks,AHHH!! Does this mean I can get an extra someone soon?
Just wanted to announce that we just reached a critical milestone - all Cerakote finishing is complete!! There are 8 anodized units left to finish and then this GB will be complete and I can ship proxy orders!
If you ordered directly from Desk Candy and have NOT received your order confirmation email and you think this is in error, please contact me asap!
Thanks everyone
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Post by: MPAstudio on Mon, 31 August 2020, 19:00:33
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Post by: TheBlackHammer on Tue, 01 September 2020, 21:49:56
Its TWO YEARS.. T W O YEARS. I've been waiting two years for this.If you would like I would gladly take it off your hands for your price and I would love it every single day
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Post by: MPAstudio on Wed, 02 September 2020, 00:08:14
Post by: MPAstudio on Wed, 02 September 2020, 00:08:55
Its TWO YEARS.. T W O YEARS. I've been waiting two years for this.If you would like I would gladly take it off your hands for your price and I would love it every single day
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It is currently in anodizing factory in korea. (for glass sanding & re-anodizing)
If I get the keyboard back and they don't meet my standards, I'll sell it.
Anyway it'll much better than now.
Post by: deskcandy on Tue, 08 September 2020, 13:22:31
So in terms of next steps here:
1. I have reached out to Mykeyboard and zFrontier and as soon as I hear back will work on shipping the proxy orders
2. There are 7 more keyboards to ship to US customers and I've sent order confirmations for all of them so please check your emails
3. Once #1 and #2 are complete, I will start releasing some extra accessories like plates, wrist rests, and XDA Oblique keycaps (Modern M0110 kits). This is done first so those of you who already have a keyboard have first dibs on the extra accessories (if you don't have a Modern M0110 now you're probably not in the market for a plate). Once that runs for a week or so, then I'll start releasing extra Modern M0110 units on hand. Vast majority of these will be Light Sand Cerakote and possibly a few other colors (TBD) in very small quantities.
That's it, thanks everyone and have a good week.
Post by: jcs on Tue, 08 September 2020, 15:32:22
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Post by: dead_pixel_design on Wed, 16 September 2020, 11:57:54
Overall I am very happy with the keyboard, but I expect more for the time and cost.
Post by: deskcandy on Wed, 16 September 2020, 23:14:12
In terms of overall status, there's only one order left where I've tried to contact the person 3 times with no response. If you are order #064 please get in touch with me asap so I can get your keyboards shipped out to you.
Price for extras will probably be $500/ea for Light Sand Cerakote blanks (i.e., no engraving) including a plate. Still trying to work through GB orders as the first priority but if it's just the 1 order (#064) I'm waiting on, I can't let that block doing extras.
Post by: piercejenkins on Wed, 16 September 2020, 23:16:10
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Post by: beekey on Fri, 18 September 2020, 08:26:00
Within the next week or so. Will be posting here and also sending an email to the newsletter to announce when units are going live and put behind a timer to make it fair instead of randomly doing it. Will try to give about 2 days notice :)Shouldn't you wait until all people got their case? Maybe you need to replace one or two.
Post by: aslanxdeft on Fri, 18 September 2020, 11:38:10
Look 4 posts above yoursWithin the next week or so. Will be posting here and also sending an email to the newsletter to announce when units are going live and put behind a timer to make it fair instead of randomly doing it. Will try to give about 2 days notice :)Shouldn't you wait until all people got their case? Maybe you need to replace one or two.
Post by: LXVRGS on Fri, 18 September 2020, 12:40:16
Would the instant60 pcb by cannon keys work with this case?
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yes
Post by: pixelpusher on Fri, 18 September 2020, 12:45:17
Would the instant60 pcb by cannon keys work with this case?
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I’m using one right now.
Post by: TheBlackHammer on Sun, 20 September 2020, 13:19:05
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Post by: pixelpusher on Mon, 21 September 2020, 09:32:21
Gorilla Grip Original Drawer and Shelf Liner
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80 PCS EVA Foam Handicraft Sheets, Craft Foam Sheets Assorted Colorful for Craft Projects 16 Colors - 8.25 x 5.8 inches
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Post by: chicagoboss25 on Wed, 23 September 2020, 11:51:43
Within the next week or so. Will be posting here and also sending an email to the newsletter to announce when units are going live and put behind a timer to make it fair instead of randomly doing it. Will try to give about 2 days notice :)Shouldn't you wait until all people got their case? Maybe you need to replace one or two.
There's 2 more orders to ship on my end, 1 person has been non-responsive in terms of confirming shipping address (if you're out there order #064 please respond!!!) and the other should ship in next day or two.
I'm not going to sell all the extras at once, there will be 2 or 3 rounds. What that means is that supply will be very limited for each round (only 5-6) but on the flip side, it means that if you miss out, there will be more chances. I'm not doing this from a marketing POV, but so I can keep some extras on-hand longer to deal with issues with other orders potentially and get some $ in the door since I need to pay bills until this is 100% wrapped (incl extras).
Post by: Dumblescore on Wed, 23 September 2020, 12:39:03
Post by: deskcandy on Thu, 24 September 2020, 01:01:34
There will be 1 or 2 more rounds of extras in roughly this quantity in the coming weeks if you miss out. Most extras will be light sand (100% light sand this time).
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Post by: colonelpanic on Thu, 24 September 2020, 01:46:40
Post by: deskcandy on Thu, 24 September 2020, 14:31:58
If you really want to know, I'm trying to do a black anodized finish after what's called "shot peening" the metal (think of firing a bunch of small ball bearings to create a textured finish). It will be like a "tactical black" finish. It should be easy according to the anodizer because I've had enough manufacturing issues, but I'll believe it when I see it. So some chance it will be this and some chance it won't?
Post by: pixelpusher on Sat, 03 October 2020, 11:45:22
Post by: TheBlackHammer on Sat, 03 October 2020, 11:55:08
Any chance of picking up an extra plate foam? Need one for my MX build.I second that need some foam!
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Post by: Dumblescore on Sat, 03 October 2020, 12:12:07
Post by: colonelpanic on Tue, 06 October 2020, 22:59:48
Mine is here! It is absolutely beautiful! The engraving has some artifacts but overall it’s lovely! I made the dumb mistake of not having any caps at the ready to put on it, so now I need to figure out what caps go best with grey and maybe even fit the theme. I’m open to suggestions!
Yeah, the underside of mine looks nothing like yours. Mill-path galore over here. :-X
Any chance of picking up an extra plate foam? Need one for my MX build.I second that need some foam!
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Wait, where did you guys get the plate foam from?
Post by: pixelpusher on Tue, 06 October 2020, 23:16:46
Mine is here! It is absolutely beautiful! The engraving has some artifacts but overall it’s lovely! I made the dumb mistake of not having any caps at the ready to put on it, so now I need to figure out what caps go best with grey and maybe even fit the theme. I’m open to suggestions!
Yeah, the underside of mine looks nothing like yours. Mill-path galore over here. :-XAny chance of picking up an extra plate foam? Need one for my MX build.I second that need some foam!
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Wait, where did you guys get the plate foam from?
It was an option in the original group buy
Post by: TheBlackHammer on Wed, 07 October 2020, 13:54:19
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Post by: roostrc0gburn on Sat, 10 October 2020, 12:13:46
thanks!
Post by: Contrakey on Sat, 10 October 2020, 13:15:22
Post by: TheBlackHammer on Sat, 10 October 2020, 21:47:28
Looks really really good, just wish there were options for ctrl.You can do what I do and put control where caps lock is. Most sets have a control key where caps is. Or you could have control where one of the windows keys are
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Post by: Annex on Sun, 11 October 2020, 08:59:56
Post by: Havattack on Sun, 11 October 2020, 14:02:12
In all seriousness, with seemingly how popular this hobby, and some of the GB's are becoming, why doesn't someone just open up some kind of custom keyboard specialty shop, and carry some stock of the more popular group buys.
Post by: macclack on Sun, 11 October 2020, 15:46:37
Why did i have to get into this hobby months after all the coolest GB's close...This sucks. Group buys suck. Everything sucks. (Yes, i am in full on pouting mode here. What do you want from me? I'm a millennial, I'm supposed to be entitled to anything i want...LOL)
In all seriousness, with seemingly how popular this hobby, and some of the GB's are becoming, why doesn't someone just open up some kind of custom keyboard specialty shop, and carry some stock of the more popular group buys.
Try TX Keyboards or Novelkeys. Probably the closest thing I can think of to someone carrying stock on anything custom. As I'm sure someone at Deskcandy can attest to, these things are a **** ton of work and probably an insanely difficult business model to achieve a meaningful profit. There are easier ways to make money that scale more easily and don't inflict so much brain damage.
Post by: deskcandy on Mon, 12 October 2020, 00:12:10
Why did i have to get into this hobby months after all the coolest GB's close...This sucks. Group buys suck. Everything sucks. (Yes, i am in full on pouting mode here. What do you want from me? I'm a millennial, I'm supposed to be entitled to anything i want...LOL)
In all seriousness, with seemingly how popular this hobby, and some of the GB's are becoming, why doesn't someone just open up some kind of custom keyboard specialty shop, and carry some stock of the more popular group buys.
Try TX Keyboards or Novelkeys. Probably the closest thing I can think of to someone carrying stock on anything custom. As I'm sure someone at Deskcandy can attest to, these things are a **** ton of work and probably an insanely difficult business model to achieve a meaningful profit. There are easier ways to make money that scale more easily and don't inflict so much brain damage.
Yes lol. Brain damage part is true.
Post by: deskcandy on Mon, 12 October 2020, 00:25:28
As I'm winding down and closing out inventory in the shop, I have a few B-stock units to offer here. Please email me at john@deskcandy.xyz and I will invoice you on Paypal (it is a lot of work to create a custom listing on my site for each individual unit). Shipping is same as the other extras - $25 CONUS and $90 international. If you're somewhere else (e.g., Hawaii or Alaska) I'll check the shipping cost individually so email me your rough location so I can set the invoice correctly.
PLEASE SPECIFY IN YOUR EMAIL IF YOU WOULD LIKE AN HHKB OR UNIVERSAL PLATE
1. [SOLD] B-stock light sand Cerakote with engraving error (started out #035 and changed to #036) AND filled-in custom engraving. The original customer sold their spot to someone else and I missed that when prepping for engraving. The metal filler pitted a bit when Cerakoting again so unfortunately at some angles you can see the engraving a little bit. Offering this one for $349, which is probably the cheapest Modern M0110 deal you'll ever see again :)
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2. [SOLD] B-stock light sand Cerakote (no engraving) with one small dent at the back on the bottom edge (hole pictured is center top from the underside). $449
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3. [SOLD] B-stock light sand Cerakote (no engraving) with broken tap in 1 of the 8 M2 screw holes for the 1.5mm plate. $449
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4. [SOLD] B-stock gray anodized (no engraving) with a moderate amount of uneven-ness in anodizing color on the top piece. $449
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Post by: adamcobabe on Tue, 13 October 2020, 06:50:38
Post by: deskcandy on Sun, 18 October 2020, 00:03:44
Hey Deskcandy, just curious about the status of proxy orders, have they all been shipped? I'm unable to get in touch with the people at MyKeyboard
Shipping invoices are out to both zFrontier and MyKeyboard and all keyboards and add-ons are packed up and ready to go for both. MyKeyboard hasn't replied to my last couple emails while zFrontier is pretty responsible, so I'm going to give the MyKeyboard guys a call Monday morning their time and hopefully both international orders will ship and deliver to their respective destinations by end of week next week.
Post by: Fredington on Wed, 21 October 2020, 09:14:53
Post by: TheBlackHammer on Wed, 21 October 2020, 09:16:05
Is there a plate file?Yea check the GitHub
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Post by: colonelpanic on Sat, 24 October 2020, 04:10:43
Post by: pixelpusher on Sat, 24 October 2020, 21:03:32
Do you mind sharing the color profile/information for the light sand? I have an aluminum numpad that I was hoping to sandblast and cerakote in light sand to match the M0110.
It's "light sand" H-142 finish.
Post by: deskcandy on Mon, 26 October 2020, 00:21:31
Also if anyone is interested, I have a few leftover kits of the XDA Oblique set designed for this keyboard. Works well with any 60% with HHKB style blockers.
https://www.deskcandy.xyz/shop/xda-oblique-modern-m0110-bhkyg?category=keycaps
Post by: deskcandy on Fri, 30 October 2020, 01:57:11
There will be another extra sale or two on the horizon - more light sand Cerakote (A-stock) and black shotpeen anodized units (no pics yet, probably picking up Monday). Probably in a few weeks so stay tuned on that one.
Otherwise, thanks for the patience everyone and it was a pleasure! Dramatically missed all initial timelines and could not make every single GB participant 110% satisfied, but really really happy that this thing happened and hope you can enjoy these monstrosities in the mechanical keyboard world :)
ACHIEVEMENT UNLOCKED!!
Post by: deskcandy on Thu, 05 November 2020, 12:21:50
Post by: piercejenkins on Thu, 05 November 2020, 12:24:34
Post by: TheBlackHammer on Thu, 05 November 2020, 12:27:02
How can we get notified of gb start? Will there be an email? If so, how do I get on that list?Hey man sorry but this group buy was held two years ago. The pictures you see are just extras that will be sold on a first come first serve basis
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Post by: deskcandy on Sat, 07 November 2020, 18:01:24
Pricing:
* Light Sand Cerakote A-stock $499
* Tactical Black A-stock $599
* Tactical Black B-stock $499
Pricing for the tactical black is higher as it is a special limited color - only 10 were produced.
Post by: piercejenkins on Sun, 08 November 2020, 14:52:29
Post by: deskcandy on Sun, 08 November 2020, 16:05:24
Where do I buy this!!
https://www.deskcandy.xyz/shop/modern-m0110-keyboard-kit
Post by: deskcandy on Mon, 09 November 2020, 23:14:23
NOTE: no engraving (serial number) on the extra units being sold.
Post by: i luv chuletas on Mon, 09 November 2020, 23:55:01
thanks!
Post by: pixelpusher on Tue, 10 November 2020, 00:37:08
If you're in the market for a solid board, this one won't let you down. It's top mount but quite firm. But that's one of the things I like about it.
Post by: deskcandy on Sun, 15 November 2020, 13:51:45
any chance you could share an example of a b-stock? curious to see the grade of quality we can expect from them (level of blemish and such)
thanks!
Yep :)
Here are the B-stock units to give you an idea:
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Mostly small dents and dings which aren't as noticable in the black textured finish. Second one has a bit of a lighter colored streak on the back, which you wouldn't be able to see when the keyboard is on your desk.
Post by: beekey on Mon, 16 November 2020, 03:36:46
Post by: deskcandy on Mon, 16 November 2020, 10:45:12
Any update from mykeyboard? They should have them by now, right?
Mykeyboard's order was delivered at their location in Belgium two weeks ago on 11/2. I can't really control what they do from here but I just pinged David from Mykeyboard and hope he can give you guys an update.
Post by: deskcandy on Wed, 18 November 2020, 19:12:17
Post by: Neodeus on Thu, 19 November 2020, 08:32:18
Any update from mykeyboard? They should have them by now, right?
Mykeyboard's order was delivered at their location in Belgium two weeks ago on 11/2. I can't really control what they do from here but I just pinged David from Mykeyboard and hope he can give you guys an update.
I bet the Schlieffen Plan got in the way.
Post by: Annex on Fri, 20 November 2020, 08:07:24
"Hello, We are shipping out all the order on Monday-Tuesday the coming week."
Post by: deskcandy on Thu, 26 November 2020, 15:05:11
https://www.deskcandy.xyz/shop/modern-m0110-hhkb-brass-plate?category=SALE
Post by: beekey on Thu, 26 November 2020, 15:24:48
Just got a message back from the guys at MyKeyboard:Looks like they did not. Have not even got a pre shipping notification.
"Hello, We are shipping out all the order on Monday-Tuesday the coming week."
Post by: kapowaz on Fri, 27 November 2020, 05:47:39
Post by: Annex on Fri, 27 November 2020, 09:41:36
Just got a message back from the guys at MyKeyboard:Looks like they did not. Have not even got a pre shipping notification.
"Hello, We are shipping out all the order on Monday-Tuesday the coming week."
Same here unfortunately
Post by: deskcandy on Mon, 30 November 2020, 23:00:57
I’ve just ordered one of the extras from Desk Candy, and I’ve now noticed the engraving service. Is there anyone you can recommend in the EU who can do the engraving service? I’d love to have mine personalised (particularly the bottom left corner, where the Apple logo would have gone).
Engraving after anodizing will show the raw aluminum from underneath, just an FYI if you go that route and with the unfinished metal revealed could look slightly "off". It's also difficult to test engraving unless you have a material that matches well because lasers behave differently on different surfaces so you would need to either do a test in an area that isn't visible (underside of top maybe?) or if you somehow have another piece of 6061 aluminum in very similar finish.
Post by: beekey on Sun, 06 December 2020, 13:03:34
Did you get an update? I also asked and got nothing (as usual).Any update from mykeyboard? They should have them by now, right?
Mykeyboard's order was delivered at their location in Belgium two weeks ago on 11/2. I can't really control what they do from here but I just pinged David from Mykeyboard and hope he can give you guys an update.
Post by: beekey on Mon, 07 December 2020, 10:26:29
Answer was: soon.Did you get an update? I also asked and got nothing (as usual).Any update from mykeyboard? They should have them by now, right?
Mykeyboard's order was delivered at their location in Belgium two weeks ago on 11/2. I can't really control what they do from here but I just pinged David from Mykeyboard and hope he can give you guys an update.
Post by: deskcandy on Mon, 07 December 2020, 17:27:53
Post by: beekey on Wed, 23 December 2020, 03:02:22
Post by: necromanx on Wed, 23 December 2020, 04:08:43
Prophets just started shipping and on top of that we dont limit shipping to a single GB either.
All orders are actually fully prepared to pack and the majority may actually be out today together with a large number of Prophets and daily orders.
Post by: beekey on Wed, 23 December 2020, 04:49:18
There is nothing strange about that but I understand your worries.Sounds good. Looking forward to it.
Prophets just started shipping and on top of that we dont limit shipping to a single GB either.
All orders are actually fully prepared to pack and the majority may actually be out today together with a large number of Prophets and daily orders.
Post by: Annex on Wed, 23 December 2020, 09:08:55
It's happening! :eek:
Post by: TheBlackHammer on Fri, 01 January 2021, 16:59:25
Post by: Fredington on Fri, 01 January 2021, 17:49:52
would anyone be interested in a fr4 GB. Im planning on getting some plates made using the universal file
I'd be down.
Post by: TheBlackHammer on Fri, 01 January 2021, 19:55:25
would anyone be interested in a fr4 GB. Im planning on getting some plates made using the universal file
I'd be down.
Awesome, I just placed an order for the protos if they go well, Ill see how popular an fr4 plate would be and ill do a small groupbuy for them
Post by: mwhy on Tue, 12 January 2021, 10:18:13
Another thing that is not directly about ModernM0110 but I'm going to include it since I saw that somebody from mykeyboard is active in the thread:
I ordered the whole package with ModernM0110, the XD60, Matias switches, GMK stabilizers and a walnut wristrest. Of those things things the stabilizers were not delivered and the wristrest is not level so that it wobbles while using it, which is very frustrating. All in all I don't feel I got what I paid for...
Post by: beekey on Tue, 12 January 2021, 14:05:19
I got mine saturday and have to say that I am disappointed. It has dings and scratches in various places on the top and bottom parts as you can see in the attached files. The ones on the the bottom don't bother me that much because I don't see them when I use it but still at this price they should not be there and the whole thing is just not as clean as promised.I did not get it yet, but should I get such a quality I would send it back. This is not even b-stock, IMHO.
Another thing that is not directly about ModernM0110 but I'm going to include it since I saw that somebody from mykeyboard is active in the thread:
I ordered the whole package with ModernM0110, the XD60, Matias switches, GMK stabilizers and a walnut wristrest. Of those things things the stabilizers were not delivered and the wristrest is not level so that it wobbles while using it, which is very frustrating. All in all I don't feel I got what I paid for...
Post by: DukeEsquire on Tue, 12 January 2021, 14:14:52
I got mine saturday and have to say that I am disappointed. It has dings and scratches in various places on the top and bottom parts as you can see in the attached files. The ones on the the bottom don't bother me that much because I don't see them when I use it but still at this price they should not be there and the whole thing is just not as clean as promised.I did not get it yet, but should I get such a quality I would send it back. This is not even b-stock, IMHO.
Another thing that is not directly about ModernM0110 but I'm going to include it since I saw that somebody from mykeyboard is active in the thread:
I ordered the whole package with ModernM0110, the XD60, Matias switches, GMK stabilizers and a walnut wristrest. Of those things things the stabilizers were not delivered and the wristrest is not level so that it wobbles while using it, which is very frustrating. All in all I don't feel I got what I paid for...
This is the inherent risk of groupbuys that people forget about.
Post by: beekey on Wed, 13 January 2021, 02:59:27
I joined multiple GBs so far. Even much cheaper board had none of these issues, never got a case with so many problems. We should not forget that M0110 was not a cheap case.I got mine saturday and have to say that I am disappointed. It has dings and scratches in various places on the top and bottom parts as you can see in the attached files. The ones on the the bottom don't bother me that much because I don't see them when I use it but still at this price they should not be there and the whole thing is just not as clean as promised.I did not get it yet, but should I get such a quality I would send it back. This is not even b-stock, IMHO.
Another thing that is not directly about ModernM0110 but I'm going to include it since I saw that somebody from mykeyboard is active in the thread:
I ordered the whole package with ModernM0110, the XD60, Matias switches, GMK stabilizers and a walnut wristrest. Of those things things the stabilizers were not delivered and the wristrest is not level so that it wobbles while using it, which is very frustrating. All in all I don't feel I got what I paid for...
This is the inherent risk of groupbuys that people forget about.
The vendor and producer are still accountable for acceptable quality, this should not be a risk for the buyer, regardless of GB or in stock purchase at some store.
Wondering how mykeyboard (I guess it is from them) would send this as a-stock. Could it be damaged during transportation (at least the dents)?
But lets see, I'm still waiting on it. Hope the long QC time is not an indicator that the quality is bad in general.
Post by: DukeEsquire on Wed, 13 January 2021, 14:34:34
I joined multiple GBs so far. Even much cheaper board had none of these issues, never got a case with so many problems. We should not forget that M0110 was not a cheap case.I got mine saturday and have to say that I am disappointed. It has dings and scratches in various places on the top and bottom parts as you can see in the attached files. The ones on the the bottom don't bother me that much because I don't see them when I use it but still at this price they should not be there and the whole thing is just not as clean as promised.I did not get it yet, but should I get such a quality I would send it back. This is not even b-stock, IMHO.
Another thing that is not directly about ModernM0110 but I'm going to include it since I saw that somebody from mykeyboard is active in the thread:
I ordered the whole package with ModernM0110, the XD60, Matias switches, GMK stabilizers and a walnut wristrest. Of those things things the stabilizers were not delivered and the wristrest is not level so that it wobbles while using it, which is very frustrating. All in all I don't feel I got what I paid for...
This is the inherent risk of groupbuys that people forget about.
The vendor and producer are still accountable for acceptable quality, this should not be a risk for the buyer, regardless of GB or in stock purchase at some store.
Wondering how mykeyboard (I guess it is from them) would send this as a-stock. Could it be damaged during transportation (at least the dents)?
But lets see, I'm still waiting on it. Hope the long QC time is not an indicator that the quality is bad in general.
I bet none of them tried to make the board in the US though.
With groupbuys, it's always buyer beware. Everything is made in small batches and, unless they have extras, you get whatever you get unfortunately.
Post by: TheBlackHammer on Wed, 13 January 2021, 15:20:54
It’s really luck of the draw. Now every board is as bad as the pictures they show. My board came out almost flawlessly. Really happy with the quality and the product in general. For me it was more than worth the wait. But I can see how QC should have been much better. I don’t blame the manufacturer as much as I blame the OP for not doing a proper and quality QCI joined multiple GBs so far. Even much cheaper board had none of these issues, never got a case with so many problems. We should not forget that M0110 was not a cheap case.I got mine saturday and have to say that I am disappointed. It has dings and scratches in various places on the top and bottom parts as you can see in the attached files. The ones on the the bottom don't bother me that much because I don't see them when I use it but still at this price they should not be there and the whole thing is just not as clean as promised.I did not get it yet, but should I get such a quality I would send it back. This is not even b-stock, IMHO.
Another thing that is not directly about ModernM0110 but I'm going to include it since I saw that somebody from mykeyboard is active in the thread:
I ordered the whole package with ModernM0110, the XD60, Matias switches, GMK stabilizers and a walnut wristrest. Of those things things the stabilizers were not delivered and the wristrest is not level so that it wobbles while using it, which is very frustrating. All in all I don't feel I got what I paid for...
This is the inherent risk of groupbuys that people forget about.
The vendor and producer are still accountable for acceptable quality, this should not be a risk for the buyer, regardless of GB or in stock purchase at some store.
Wondering how mykeyboard (I guess it is from them) would send this as a-stock. Could it be damaged during transportation (at least the dents)?
But lets see, I'm still waiting on it. Hope the long QC time is not an indicator that the quality is bad in general.
I bet none of them tried to make the board in the US though.
With groupbuys, it's always buyer beware. Everything is made in small batches and, unless they have extras, you get whatever you get unfortunately.
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Post by: DukeEsquire on Wed, 13 January 2021, 16:54:13
Top Clack reviewed the prototype here:
Post by: deskcandy on Thu, 14 January 2021, 14:36:08
It’s really luck of the draw. Now every board is as bad as the pictures they show. My board came out almost flawlessly. Really happy with the quality and the product in general. For me it was more than worth the wait. But I can see how QC should have been much better. I don’t blame the manufacturer as much as I blame the OP for not doing a proper and quality QCI joined multiple GBs so far. Even much cheaper board had none of these issues, never got a case with so many problems. We should not forget that M0110 was not a cheap case.I got mine saturday and have to say that I am disappointed. It has dings and scratches in various places on the top and bottom parts as you can see in the attached files. The ones on the the bottom don't bother me that much because I don't see them when I use it but still at this price they should not be there and the whole thing is just not as clean as promised.I did not get it yet, but should I get such a quality I would send it back. This is not even b-stock, IMHO.
Another thing that is not directly about ModernM0110 but I'm going to include it since I saw that somebody from mykeyboard is active in the thread:
I ordered the whole package with ModernM0110, the XD60, Matias switches, GMK stabilizers and a walnut wristrest. Of those things things the stabilizers were not delivered and the wristrest is not level so that it wobbles while using it, which is very frustrating. All in all I don't feel I got what I paid for...
This is the inherent risk of groupbuys that people forget about.
The vendor and producer are still accountable for acceptable quality, this should not be a risk for the buyer, regardless of GB or in stock purchase at some store.
Wondering how mykeyboard (I guess it is from them) would send this as a-stock. Could it be damaged during transportation (at least the dents)?
But lets see, I'm still waiting on it. Hope the long QC time is not an indicator that the quality is bad in general.
I bet none of them tried to make the board in the US though.
With groupbuys, it's always buyer beware. Everything is made in small batches and, unless they have extras, you get whatever you get unfortunately.
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GB runner here. Most of the Cerakote keyboards were done *at least* once (I would say for each batch of 20 Cerakote boards, 15+ were coated and sandblasted more than 2 times because of quality issues), anodizing less so but each batch of 5-10 units had at least a couple redos. Tried to keep quality as high as possible but ultimately had limited options both because of budget (I've already lost a lot of money on this GB) and time and poor choices for vendors and deciding to do this project "made in USA" in the first place.
I'm sorry about the quality of this unit and it's hard to make everyone 100% happy with their board. I don't have any replacement boards with which to do an exchange (there were no gray extras) but if you reach out to Mykeyboard I'm happy to talk to them and see if there's anything we can do.
Post by: mwhy on Thu, 14 January 2021, 14:58:14
I would like to give you some advice in case you ever decide to do something like a groupbuy again or work with customers directly: You seriously have to work on your communication. I will cut you some slack because it was okay at first and towards the end but there were patches of months without updates if I remember correctly. People just want to know whats going on, not making progress is okay and saying that the workshops have not communticated is also okay but you have to tell your customers. I don't think anybody thought this would go 100 percent smoothly. Not having updates is an update worth mentioning, I'm pretty shure there are other people also thinking this way.
Post by: deskcandy on Thu, 14 January 2021, 18:34:21
I think this is a silver unit, at least it is way more silver than the TR60 I also have, sadly I couldn't check because it doesn't say anything in the invoice from mykeyboard. I have already contacted them on saturday(09.01.2021) however I have not received a response yet. I will try to contact them again tomorrow though. I appreciate you offering to do something.
I would like to give you some advice in case you ever decide to do something like a groupbuy again or work with customers directly: You seriously have to work on your communication. I will cut you some slack because it was okay at first and towards the end but there were patches of months without updates if I remember correctly. People just want to know whats going on, not making progress is okay and saying that the workshops have not communticated is also okay but you have to tell your customers. I don't think anybody thought this would go 100 percent smoothly. Not having updates is an update worth mentioning, I'm pretty shure there are other people also thinking this way.
Thank you for your feedback.
Post by: beekey on Fri, 15 January 2021, 13:07:12
Will do pictures tomorrow and write to mykeyboard. Honestly, not worth keeping.
Side note: the wrist rest, which was sold as an extra, wobbles. A match made in heaven.
Normally I'm very excited to build it and think about what key-sets might look good on the case, but this time I'm just super disappointed. :'(
Sad day.
Post by: Havattack on Sat, 16 January 2021, 21:36:46
Thanks, probably my favorite board, aesthetically speaking.
If there's ever a round 2, i will probably pick up another one. Only design change i would make: The bezels on the sides are slightly smaller then on the original M0110, becasue the layout of modern HHKBs are slightly larger then layout on original M0110, so i would just make the board wider, so the bezels can be as wide as the OG.
Post by: mwhy on Tue, 26 January 2021, 14:24:45
I got one of the "b-stocks" (or whatever the ones that were a 100 cheaper were refereed to) and i can not, for the life of me, find anything wrong with it.... I would not of cared, becasue I plan on painting it anyway, but i geuss i just lucked out (or am blind).
I guess you lucked out hard this time. Paying full price and having dings like these is not very cool.
I don't have any replacement boards with which to do an exchange (there were no gray extras) but if you reach out to Mykeyboard I'm happy to talk to them and see if there's anything we can do.
I have now contacted mykeyboard on th 09.01.2021 and on the 18.01.2021(dd.mm.yyyy) however I still have no response. I find this very unprofessional from their side. Maybe if you reached out too they would finally do something.
Post by: TjarleN on Tue, 26 January 2021, 23:41:49
I have now contacted mykeyboard on th 09.01.2021 and on the 18.01.2021(dd.mm.yyyy) however I still have no response. I find this very unprofessional from their side. Maybe if you reached out too they would finally do something.
It seems that they have often too many support requests to handle. I contacted them a few times and it was noticable that I had to send a reminder message 50% of the time. However your safest bet to get a fast response is contacting one of the Necors on the mykeyboard discord server. Just send them a pm describing your problem and if they dont respond in a day or two send another message. While I did not like that it is hard to get hold of them I must say that all my probelms were solved fast and professional.
Post by: necromanx on Wed, 27 January 2021, 14:35:05
There is not much we can do besides taking the board back. The boards are QC'd, packed and shipped to us.
Tickets are the best way to contact us (Still pretty sure you got an answered already) if you need an instant response you can reach us on our phone number as well!