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« Reply #50 on: Mon, 14 November 2011, 15:26:24 »
I feel very hesitant about merging with R4.  Even if we wait until January for production, I'm sure we'll beat R4 to the mailbox by a good stretch.  I've locked horns with others about this before.  I don't agree that we should be combining a year's worth of group buys into one super buy, even if it saves us a bit of money and allows us to get some obscure, low-demand sets made.  There is a place for the superbuy, and I'm grateful to 7bit for doing it, but it shouldn't stop smaller more nimble buys from happening.

BO is available but I'm not crazy about it.  I'll bust out the samples and take some pictures tonight.  I'm currently waiting on an email from Melissa on when the keys would be ready if we go with BO.
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« Reply #51 on: Mon, 14 November 2011, 15:44:54 »
Just wait till January; I will be less poor then anyways. <3 Christmas money.
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« Reply #52 on: Mon, 14 November 2011, 15:56:22 »
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Even if we wait until January for production, I'm sure we'll beat R4 to the mailbox by a good stretch.

If that is the case, I'm ok with waiting. I'd also consider another color, but in practice it's hard to tell without seeing the color samples in real life...
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« Reply #53 on: Mon, 14 November 2011, 16:25:28 »
I would prefer to wait and keep BDH.
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« Reply #54 on: Mon, 14 November 2011, 18:05:46 »
We just hit the minimum quantity of REDESC.  Sweet.  Only 13 more RGBY to go...
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« Reply #55 on: Mon, 14 November 2011, 18:22:37 »
*sigh*  Might as well give into temptation.  I've already got the previous iterations, but still.  Guess they will be up for sale if this works out.

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« Reply #56 on: Mon, 14 November 2011, 18:28:14 »
You made the right decision, N8N.  Please PM me your address.
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« Reply #57 on: Mon, 14 November 2011, 23:01:33 »
I've updated the second post by crossing out the preorders that have converted to real orders.  If all the uncrossed-out people converted we'd add around 30 RGBY, putting us at 67 total.  This would yield something like $18/$15 for RGBY-ANSI/ISO.
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« Reply #58 on: Mon, 14 November 2011, 23:27:37 »
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I've updated the second post by crossing out the preorders that have converted to real orders.  If all the uncrossed-out people converted we'd add around 30 RGBY, putting us at 67 total.  This would yield something like $18/$15 for RGBY-ANSI/ISO.
Great. Imo if you put these prices next to the "Next price breaks" in the OP, people'll consider buying more :smile:
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« Reply #59 on: Tue, 15 November 2011, 01:39:34 »
So does this mean that we will extend the order date to include more orders, with the risk of people dropping out? Or continue on and place the order soon to ensure our current order amounts?
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« Reply #60 on: Tue, 15 November 2011, 01:47:56 »
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« Reply #61 on: Tue, 15 November 2011, 02:21:12 »
Just two more RGBYs until the minimum order is met and we will for sure get at least the original posted prices! (phew).
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« Reply #62 on: Tue, 15 November 2011, 03:27:36 »
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« Reply #63 on: Tue, 15 November 2011, 03:41:38 »
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« Reply #64 on: Tue, 15 November 2011, 03:42:35 »
7roi clinches it!  We made the minimum order.
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« Reply #65 on: Tue, 15 November 2011, 03:46:40 »
What was the pricing scale that SP gave you?
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« Reply #66 on: Tue, 15 November 2011, 04:02:30 »
By minimum order I just mean the volume at which I calculated the prices in the OP.  It's nothing that SP is enforcing.  So if we didn't make it to 75 REDESC and 40 RGBY, then the prices would have gone up or we would have had to scrap the buy (or maybe just the RGBY sets).

The base key breakdowns I'm working from are posted in the interest check thread.  These don't include the legend setup fees, the shipping cost from SP, Paypal seller fees, etc., all of which are baked into the final prices.
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« Reply #67 on: Tue, 15 November 2011, 04:06:16 »
Okay, I have reviewed the overall price structure and my initial reaction is that it would be cheaper for everyone if the ISO and ANSI were included in the same kit. Also, if we need to, let me know before this wraps up as to where we sit count wise and I will do what I can to get both the ESC's and RGBY's into the next price bracket; though I will be lurking this thread as I do everything else.
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« Reply #68 on: Tue, 15 November 2011, 04:15:12 »
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Okay, I have reviewed the overall price structure and my initial reaction is that it would be cheaper for everyone if the ISO and ANSI were included in the same kit. Also, if we need to, let me know before this wraps up as to where we sit count wise and I will do what I can to get both the ESC's and RGBY's into the next price bracket; though I will be lurking this thread as I do everything else.

RColinTaylor is watching ... always watching



I'll verify that you're right re: price structure and update the OP accordingly.  Thanks!
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« Reply #69 on: Tue, 15 November 2011, 04:16:30 »
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I'll verify that you're right re: price structure and update the OP accordingly.  Thanks!

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« Reply #70 on: Tue, 15 November 2011, 04:19:13 »
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...I will be lurking this thread as I do everything else.

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Grandmother Slug?

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« Reply #71 on: Tue, 15 November 2011, 04:29:46 »
Oh poop; I haven't seen that movie in ages. Totally slipped over my head.

Also! I have done the math and decided my claim is both right and wrong. Here is what I have figured out:

Price of RGBY Base @ 50ct: $510

Price of RGBY Base + 25ct Ansi Shift: 382.75

Price of RGBY Base + 25ct Iso Shift: 291.5

Price of RGBY Base + 25ct Iso Shift + 25ct Ansi Shift (50ct total): 674.25

Price of RGBY Base + 50ct Iso Shift + 50ct Ansi Shift (50 ct total): 719.5

Price difference between the separated totals and combined totals: 45.25

Price difference between the separated totals and combined totals per set: $.905

In the end, based on the Generous assumption that half of the sets ordered will feature the much cheaper Iso shift, the increase in price for the entire buy, on average, would be $1 per set.
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« Reply #72 on: Tue, 15 November 2011, 04:45:53 »
We can't know exactly, but my gut feeling from the interest check thread is that the proportion of ISO kits will be more like 30%.  This is borne out in the current order split (13/28).  I just ran these numbers:



For quantities less than 75, the combined kit is a couple bucks more than the likely cost of an ISO kit, and about a buck cheaper than the likely ANSI kit (where "likely" means a 70% ANSI 30% ISO split between orders).  After 75 the combined kit does worse than both likely kits.
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« Reply #73 on: Tue, 15 November 2011, 04:47:17 »
I'd be interested in:
4x Escape
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« Reply #74 on: Tue, 15 November 2011, 04:54:22 »
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We can't know exactly, but my gut feeling from the interest check thread is that the proportion of ISO kits will be more like 30%.  This is borne out in the current order split (13/28).  I just ran these numbers:

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For quantities less than 75, the combined kit is a couple bucks more than the likely cost of an ISO kit, and about a buck cheaper than the likely ANSI kit (where "likely" means a 70% ANSI 30% ISO split between orders).  After 75 the combined kit does worse than both likely kits.

Well then I think he final question is can the combined kit be achieved at any level by simply promoting/offering it? Having as many people as possible order both the Ansi+Iso shifts increases the discount opportunities that would otherwise be logically attained. In this I mean that, theoretically, it would be impossible to reach 75ct for both the Iso and Ansi kits individually but when combined, at the 75ct for RGBY sets, the 75ct for both shifts would be achieved.

As a way of starting this semi-movement or idea I want to change my current RGBY order to Iso+Ansi shifts; I feel I could resell them if need be easier if I appeal to both the international and domestic crowds.
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« Reply #75 on: Tue, 15 November 2011, 04:59:52 »
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As a way of starting this semi-movement or idea I want to change my current RGBY order to Iso+Ansi shifts; I feel I could resell them if need be easier if I appeal to both the international and domestic crowds.

I'm not convinced yet that the combined kit is a good approach (setting aside things like resale opportunity and looking strictly at price).  It seems lame for the ISO guys to pay more so the ANSI guys can pay a bit less.

At any rate, I'll update your order and add agor, then I'm off to bed.  Gotta be up again in three hours. :-|
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« Reply #76 on: Tue, 15 November 2011, 05:05:43 »
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I'd be interested in:
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PM me your mailing address and I'll add you to the list.
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« Reply #77 on: Tue, 15 November 2011, 05:07:53 »
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I'm not convinced yet that the combined kit is a good approach (setting aside things like resale opportunity and looking strictly at price).  It seems lame for the ISO guys to pay more so the ANSI guys can pay a bit less.

At any rate, I'll update your order and add agor, then I'm off to bed.  Gotta be up again in three hours. :-|

I think its all a concept; One more key for everyone for an equal price or one less for an uneven cost but still the same amount of joy. Personally, $3 more or less isn't too bad but to others it is so its not something that should be set in stone this late in the game. I don't have an ISO shift and probably never will but if it is something I can have at the end of the day that will make my kit more complete I will get it; not to mention those ISO shifters need some help getting their proper discounts.
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« Reply #78 on: Tue, 15 November 2011, 05:10:00 »
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I think its all a concept; One more key for everyone for an equal price or one less for an uneven cost but still the same amount of joy. Personally, $3 more or less isn't too bad but to others it is so its not something that should be set in stone this late in the game. I don't have an ISO shift and probably never will but if it is something I can have at the end of the day that will make my kit more complete I will get it; not to mention those ISO shifters need some help getting their proper discounts.

Well that's certainly fine with me.  Makes the math easier. :)
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« Reply #79 on: Tue, 15 November 2011, 05:17:03 »
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Well that's certainly fine with me.  Makes the math easier. :)

Ugh I hate math; if it were possible to just say that every keycap in my group buy were $2 I would do it but its just not logistically fair.
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« Reply #80 on: Tue, 15 November 2011, 05:33:33 »
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Oh poop; I haven't seen that movie in ages. Totally slipped over my head.


I just peeked at your profile and realized that you were 10 years old when this movie was released.  The reminders that I'm no longer "young" are coming more and more often these days...
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« Reply #81 on: Tue, 15 November 2011, 16:03:07 »
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I just peeked at your profile and realized that you were 10 years old when this movie was released.  The reminders that I'm no longer "young" are coming more and more often these days...

Strangely enough I only ever saw it once; most people my age have seen it 10 or so times. Now, if you want to talk about The Sandlot, give me a call because I used to watch that movie every day.
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« Reply #82 on: Tue, 15 November 2011, 16:14:39 »
So what's going on with the blue are we waiting it out till January for production? Or we switching to BO for the blue?
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« Reply #83 on: Tue, 15 November 2011, 16:34:00 »
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So what's going on with the blue are we waiting it out till January for production? Or we switching to BO for the blue?

BDH is the right color -- I'll regret it if we switch.  We wait till January!
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« Reply #84 on: Tue, 15 November 2011, 17:32:42 »
Oh this isn't going ahead until around January? Could be a blessing in disguise; I'll have more money then!
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« Reply #85 on: Tue, 15 November 2011, 17:54:04 »
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Oh this isn't going ahead until around January? Could be a blessing in disguise; I'll have more money then!

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« Reply #86 on: Tue, 15 November 2011, 17:58:01 »
Wait, we are waiting till January to submit payment? Oh I'll definitely pick up another set then.
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« Reply #87 on: Tue, 15 November 2011, 17:58:32 »
Just need a cheap key puller now. Keyboardco has them for £3 but it's like £4 delivery :(

Also, I just read $16 for RGBY for us ISO guys if no-one bails on their order. That's amazing news!
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« Reply #88 on: Tue, 15 November 2011, 18:05:34 »
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Wait, we are waiting till January to submit payment? Oh I'll definitely pick up another set then.

I'm not sure yet what exactly we'll be doing wrt collecting payments and closing orders.  I don't want the buy to grow stale and have people lose interest.  Regardless, SP won't get more BDH in until mid-December, meaning production won't start until January.

Should I add another RGBY-ANSI to your order?
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« Reply #89 on: Tue, 15 November 2011, 18:09:08 »
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« Reply #90 on: Tue, 15 November 2011, 18:11:49 »
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« Reply #91 on: Tue, 15 November 2011, 18:35:35 »
Please don't hesitate to send me an email reminding me to pay when the time comes. Just in case I don't remember to check on the thread
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« Reply #92 on: Tue, 15 November 2011, 22:04:47 »
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Please don't hesitate to send me an email reminding me to pay when the time comes. Just in case I don't remember to check on the thread

Will do. :)
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« Reply #93 on: Tue, 15 November 2011, 22:23:11 »
Updated the OP re: the production delay.
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« Reply #94 on: Wed, 16 November 2011, 05:56:00 »
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« Reply #95 on: Wed, 16 November 2011, 11:00:52 »
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Did you miss my order? :(

No, but I need your shipping address.  I thought I had PMd you about this, but looking through my sent messages I guess I didn't.  Sorry!  Drop me a PM with your address and you'll be good to go.
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« Reply #96 on: Wed, 16 November 2011, 22:05:28 »
Just over half of the interest check pre-orders have ordered for real.  We're approaching price breaks at 100 REDESC and 50 RGBY.
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« Reply #97 on: Thu, 17 November 2011, 14:00:25 »
Price drop!  RGBY-ANSI and RGBY-ISO are now $20 and $18, respectively.

Next likely drops are at 50 ANSI Shifts and 100 REDESC.  So order more RGBY-ANSI and/or SHIFT-ANSI.
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« Reply #98 on: Thu, 17 November 2011, 23:26:46 »
Grond, did sixty ever get back to you re colors from the Rebel kit group buy?
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« Reply #99 on: Fri, 18 November 2011, 00:29:06 »
Not gonna consider including caps lock key?
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