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I couldn't find it in the description, what does the button on the back of the case do?Hey brother, that's a programmable rotary encoder. It's a push/rotate switch essentially. You can turn it for volume and push it for mute/unmute as an example. Its my favorite thing about the boards so far! Sample QMK code in the keymap.c file could look something like
I love this! In if split spacebar becomes available
A few subjective notes:Thanks for the comments Kimchi! I will be scrutinizing the final designs closely don't worry! For the encoder, its all go or no go! There's no way to fill that hole cleanly if no encoder sits there, especially since the hole is filleted like a velocity stack (google it). Also, It"s actually super natural to reach for it in the back, just try making the movements yourself you will see! For the winglets, my original Pandora had polycarbonate inserts in the winglets! I noticed they pop in if you pick the board up and poke them, AND they don't diffuse light down how I want them to. So I elected to leave them out in the redesign! Just have to be careful with the board. I will be taking more photos, but yes its the same as the Alu. You can make the weight out of any material you want, that's just what I did for the protos. No discord, there are already so many discords! Just here and IG are best places to follow. Thanks again!!
One of the things that sticks out to me are the bottom case screw holes. They pour over the edge of the case ever so slightly. Not a huge deal but might be worth considering moving them slightly more inward. Or enlarging the bezel(s) bit.
The rotary encoder on the back of the case is an interesting design element. Seems like a bit of an awkward spot to have it but I personally kind of like it. If people elect not to have it will there be a "badge" of sorts to fill the hole in the case?
I know the underside of the winglets are to allow led shine through, but will they have some sort of pc/acrylic cover over the holes? Would make picking up the case more comfortable.
Are there any pictures of the bottom of the Polycarb version? I assume this comes with the same weight as well?
Lastly, is there a Discord to keep up with updates?
I'll be watching this very closely. I love the design. There's some interesting things going on with this board. GLWIC!
Very nice design and a unique 10 degree typing angle! And rationale on why the steeper angle?Ty Craft! I love the angle paired with a wrist wrest, plus the aesthetics of the angled board! Just a personal detail I guess!
Hate to be debbie downer here, but that bottom is a KC No1. The design language of the sides and badge still look like Exclusive's work. People can feel free to buy whatever they want, but this board resembles a knock-off / clone IMO.It's alright Visionaire, no downing here. I/we all respect your shared opinion as well as the hard work of other designers! I've mentioned them in my inspirations section and love their work!
A few subjective notes:Thanks for the comments Kimchi! I will be scrutinizing the final designs closely don't worry! For the encoder, its all go or no go! There's no way to fill that hole cleanly if no encoder sits there, especially since the hole is filleted like a velocity stack (google it). Also, It"s actually super natural to reach for it in the back, just try making the movements yourself you will see! For the winglets, my original Pandora had polycarbonate inserts in the winglets! I noticed they pop in if you pick the board up and poke them, AND they don't diffuse light down how I want them to. So I elected to leave them out in the redesign! Just have to be careful with the board. I will be taking more photos, but yes its the same as the Alu. You can make the weight out of any material you want, that's just what I did for the protos. No discord, there are already so many discords! Just here and IG are best places to follow. Thanks again!!
One of the things that sticks out to me are the bottom case screw holes. They pour over the edge of the case ever so slightly. Not a huge deal but might be worth considering moving them slightly more inward. Or enlarging the bezel(s) bit.
The rotary encoder on the back of the case is an interesting design element. Seems like a bit of an awkward spot to have it but I personally kind of like it. If people elect not to have it will there be a "badge" of sorts to fill the hole in the case?
I know the underside of the winglets are to allow led shine through, but will they have some sort of pc/acrylic cover over the holes? Would make picking up the case more comfortable.
Are there any pictures of the bottom of the Polycarb version? I assume this comes with the same weight as well?
Lastly, is there a Discord to keep up with updates?
I'll be watching this very closely. I love the design. There's some interesting things going on with this board. GLWIC!Very nice design and a unique 10 degree typing angle! And rationale on why the steeper angle?Ty Craft! I love the angle paired with a wrist wrest, plus the aesthetics of the angled board! Just a personal detail I guess!Hate to be debbie downer here, but that bottom is a KC No1. The design language of the sides and badge still look like Exclusive's work. People can feel free to buy whatever they want, but this board resembles a knock-off / clone IMO.It's alright Visionaire, no downing here. I/we all respect your shared opinion as well as the hard work of other designers! I've mentioned them in my inspirations section and love their work!
Everyone else who has left wonderful comments and opinions, thank you for the tireless support and I'm happy to see everyone's faces and names again! I will be posting more content in the days to come! :thumb:
Thanks for understanding.You're welcome! And this interest check is here to flush out any worries and concerns anyone has!
I also think this work is close enough to other designer's work that perhaps the requirement here is more than simply stating that you were inspired by them, but also hearing that those folks are ok with your choices. I'm not sure they would be, just as they weren't when you ran your original IC. Your prototypes here are close enough to other people's work that a quick glance easily recognizes those design elements and brings their work to mind. This isn't cool, imo. I'll avoid any 'legal' topics of protections here (for the moment), but I think this goes beyond the level of 'inspiration' from my view.
Oh god, finally!! I can’t wait for this. Hopefully I can get in on GB. I’ve been watching your stories on Instagram and just dreaming of owning this board. Some really great features, I love the USB 2.0 pass through and the placement of the encoder.Haha<3 Much love!
Thanks for understanding.You're welcome! And this interest check is here to flush out any worries and concerns anyone has!
I also think this work is close enough to other designer's work that perhaps the requirement here is more than simply stating that you were inspired by them, but also hearing that those folks are ok with your choices. I'm not sure they would be, just as they weren't when you ran your original IC. Your prototypes here are close enough to other people's work that a quick glance easily recognizes those design elements and brings their work to mind. This isn't cool, imo. I'll avoid any 'legal' topics of protections here (for the moment), but I think this goes beyond the level of 'inspiration' from my view.
Just look at Pearl. It was based off a Jd45 but improved upon it. There was nothing wrong with that, in fact an amazing board came out of it. Maybe you should worry a little less about what Pandora is, and focus on what it isn't ;)Oh god, finally!! I can’t wait for this. Hopefully I can get in on GB. I’ve been watching your stories on Instagram and just dreaming of owning this board. Some really great features, I love the USB 2.0 pass through and the placement of the encoder.Haha<3 Much love!
I think there's a difference when the design element is so obvious that you do a double take. When people can clearly call out what the inspiration source at first glance. Clearly, you see no issue with this and maybe there's others who will buy your product and throw these aside. I won't be one of them.I seriously appreciate your comments Visionaire and understand the issues. I've been around for a while, especially in the design space, and learned that fiddling over what looks like what is just an endless rabbit hole. Things will always look alike. Theres an endless line of HHKB 40s, blocked 65s, Tkls, etc all sharing square weights, blocked keys, whatever. I can look at any board today and say, that looks like xx. If you like Keycult or Exclusive, go ahead and get their boards. Pandora is not deminishing anyones work, and discarding its worth over design language is where I think you and the others differ. Please don't be upset, and as a final comment, while I love originality, I also love the inspirations taken from the other designers. I want those things, you gotta understand that. They are there because they've done an amazing job and I love what they have brought to the table.
I think you're a better designer than this and are capable of doing things that are more original.
I've said my piece. Good luck.
I think there's a difference when the design element is so obvious that you do a double take. When people can clearly call out what the inspiration source at first glance. Clearly, you see no issue with this and maybe there's others who will buy your product and throw these aside. I won't be one of them.I seriously appreciate your comments Visionaire and understand the issues. I've been around for a while, especially in the design space, and learned that fiddling over what looks like what is just an endless rabbit hole. Things will always look alike. Theres an endless line of HHKB 40s, blocked 65s, Tkls, etc all sharing square weights, blocked keys, whatever. I can look at any board today and say, that looks like xx. If you like Keycult or Exclusive, go ahead and get their boards. Pandora is not deminishing anyones work, and discarding its worth over design language is where I think you and the others differ. Please don't be upset, and as a final comment, while I love originality, I also love the inspirations taken from the other designers. I want those things, you gotta understand that. They are there because they've done an amazing job and I love what they have brought to the table.
I think you're a better designer than this and are capable of doing things that are more original.
I've said my piece. Good luck.
I hear you Visionaire! Thanks for your opinions. Apart from your comments, what are your thoughts on the encoder and hub?
Probably one of the biggest biggest triple biggest fan of this project. Been following this ever since it started. My heart will be broken if I don’t get one :(. Hoping this is not a raffle.same, hopefully it's fcfs
Thanks for understanding.
I think there's a difference when the design element is so obvious that you do a double take. When people can clearly call out what the inspiration source at first glance. Clearly, you see no issue with this and maybe there's others who will buy your product and throw these aside. I won't be one of them.
I think you're a better designer than this and are capable of doing things that are more original.
I've said my piece. Good luck.
Thanks for understanding.
I think there's a difference when the design element is so obvious that you do a double take. When people can clearly call out what the inspiration source at first glance. Clearly, you see no issue with this and maybe there's others who will buy your product and throw these aside. I won't be one of them.
I think you're a better designer than this and are capable of doing things that are more original.
I've said my piece. Good luck.
Yea i agree with Visionaire here. Thank you for saying this. I immediately thought "that's a keycult no 1 bottom". And for that reason, i'm out.
Looks awesome to me. Come on people, you really telling me that if you saw this board from top to bottom you would confuse it with a KC? I think the op already went out of his way to contact KC and get their blessings even though he didn't really need it.
Looks awesome to me. Come on people, you really telling me that if you saw this board from top to bottom you would confuse it with a KC? I think the op already went out of his way to contact KC and get their blessings even though he didn't really need it.
He had not done this until after we commented on the similarities. That being said, i'm glad he did reach out to KC and they gave him their blessing. GLWIC
Looks awesome to me. Come on people, you really telling me that if you saw this board from top to bottom you would confuse it with a KC? I think the op already went out of his way to contact KC and get their blessings even though he didn't really need it.
He had not done this until after we commented on the similarities. That being said, i'm glad he did reach out to KC and they gave him their blessing. GLWIC
Who cares? Why are you invested in that? Again, I ask why people feel the need to stick their necks out for companies that they have no part of? It's so strange to me.
LOL ya'll should get over that. That's silly that you would rather wait for an army of your followers to call out plagiarism of your work rather than calling it out yourself. It's YOUR work. If someone is jacking it, why not defend yourself?Looks awesome to me. Come on people, you really telling me that if you saw this board from top to bottom you would confuse it with a KC? I think the op already went out of his way to contact KC and get their blessings even though he didn't really need it.
He had not done this until after we commented on the similarities. That being said, i'm glad he did reach out to KC and they gave him their blessing. GLWIC
Who cares? Why are you invested in that? Again, I ask why people feel the need to stick their necks out for companies that they have no part of? It's so strange to me.
They're willing to stick their necks out because designers being plagiarized don't like sticking their necks out by calling out plagiarism.
I don't even like sticking my neck out by pointing that out.
Looks awesome to me. Come on people, you really telling me that if you saw this board from top to bottom you would confuse it with a KC? I think the op already went out of his way to contact KC and get their blessings even though he didn't really need it.
He had not done this until after we commented on the similarities. That being said, i'm glad he did reach out to KC and they gave him their blessing. GLWIC
Who cares? Why are you invested in that? Again, I ask why people feel the need to stick their necks out for companies that they have no part of? It's so strange to me.
How would the knob do inside something like a TX Bag? I could see it interfering with the bag foam, or being a potential point of failure if too much pressure is applied.Kevin! I've actually messed around with that and there are some things to be said. First off, the encoder is in there really good, bolted on with two M3 screws. It can poke around and not break. Obviously you don't want to do this with the Polycarbonate version as it can be very fragile and rip the screws out (maybe idk), but the Aluminum version is a tank. I doubt it will break. If it does, the part to fix shouldn't be bad. I can always send a new encoder with the pcb it goes on, and you just reconnect it via the cable. The way I designed the knobs, is that they are very tight so you can push/pull them on and off the encoder without the need for a hex screw to tighten it down. So I simply pull it off, store it and pack it. You can also probably pad the back wall with like a sock or foam and fix it all together. Heres a photo in my KBDfans soft-shell case. NOTE, its barely touching as it sits. The width is perfect for this case. The 10u cracks me up every time too, its amazing :thumb:
Thanks eggplant, maybe I'll send you my original Pandora haha!How would the knob do inside something like a TX Bag? I could see it interfering with the bag foam, or being a potential point of failure if too much pressure is applied.Kevin! I've actually messed around with that and there are some things to be said. First off, the encoder is in there really good, bolted on with two M3 screws. It can poke around and not break. Obviously you don't want to do this with the Polycarbonate version as it can be very fragile and rip the screws out (maybe idk), but the Aluminum version is a tank. I doubt it will break. If it does, the part to fix shouldn't be bad. I can always send a new encoder with the pcb it goes on, and you just reconnect it via the cable. The way I designed the knobs, is that they are very tight so you can push/pull them on and off the encoder without the need for a hex screw to tighten it down. So I simply pull it off, store it and pack it. You can also probably pad the back wall with like a sock or foam and fix it all together. Heres a photo in my KBDfans soft-shell case. NOTE, its barely touching as it sits. The width is perfect for this case. The 10u cracks me up every time too, its amazing :thumb:Show Image(https://i.imgur.com/snm3Occ.jpg)
What do you guys think? Made the winglets more compact and changed the weight look!Show Image(https://i.imgur.com/8mlcoiO.png)Show Image(https://i.imgur.com/r3ZURgQ.png)
Haha thanks! One more of the redesignShow Image(https://i.imgur.com/7lnS8KA.png)
Haha thanks! One more of the redesignShow Image(https://i.imgur.com/7lnS8KA.png)
I dig it!
The screw holes near the top - they're up against the edge. Is there room to bring them in slightly so you're not interrupting the edge?
I second the note about the screws. Aesthetically, it might not matter much (although some might find it mildly irritating just knowing it exists). While the aluminum version may be a "tank" as you say, I worry about the thickness of the case for the polycarb version with the screws being SO VERY close to the edge like that.Thanks for the comments kimchi! Some notes. I am working on bringing the screw in more, BUT, at this point I've screwed and unscrewed the Polycarbonate case more times than anyone should ever in the ownership time of a board. I torque them down with an electric usb screwdriver with a rated torque of 0.25-0.35/3N.m for any wizzes out there. Poly isn't as fragile as I think we've all thought, and thus fur have not been any issue :]
When you say the rotary is "bolted" on with M3 screws that reads as a bit confusing. Bolting implies that it's not meant to be removed. And as I am mainly in for the polycarb version, it is concerning to me that it might not be as durable as I would like. Can you elaborate on how the rotary is mounted exactly?
I really like the polycarb color of the proto. So out of curiosity, I would like to ask how one would go about the process of dying a polycarb case like this exactly? I don't suppose you have any information you're able to give for this? If you do it would be greatly appreciated for my own edification. Thanks again!
@Koobaczech where to get a 10u spacebar and wire?Hey buddy. This particular one is OG GMK. It's really hard to find, you need to harvest it from rare vintage boards. Mine came off a Commodore. I think Deskthority has information on which board these will be. Note that the stab is unique and the pcb and plate have to support it, so If anyone wants to try and adapt one to their current builds, it probably won't work since I have never seen a custom mech support 10u besides Pandora. I'd like to note my friend Kaazzeerr knows more on all of this and was the one who made 10u happen since he introduced it to me. His collection/knowledge of vintage boards is wild.
No split space possibility?Im sorry man, I don't think I'll add that in. BUT I will look over my pcb one more time for you and see if its feasible to rearrange the whole bottom. Most of my components are there.
Hey man! As someone pretty new to this hobby I love this design, willing to skip think and Noah for this if the price is right! Hopefully you can increase the number for moq for around the price of ~450$. I hope this is not too much to ask!Welcome to the hobby bud, and glad to hear. Its all on you guys to hit the moq's, ill put my end in and keep the prices as low as possible :] Its never too much to ask. If it were up to me, every board would be free. I'm not running a business, I'm an enthusiast first, and I'm trying to run this as if I was a part of it too.
Ten* degree sounds insane, how is it?Wonderful xD
I would really love to see the screw holes not cutting into the bottom fillet.Zekkin! I sent you a dm in IG ages ago haha. But I've fixed the holes and some other stuff! Thanks for tuning in.
how many units youre planning on aiming to sell for the limited GB? Love this keyboard!Trying to keep it limited, we will see!
OMG, welcome back!Dang buddy, good seeing your name around again. Been years haha. Thank you for commenting! Lets keep in touch for real.
GLWGB!
The design is not for me, but I dig the features.
This thing is damn lovely :eek:Thanks chuletas!! For sure, have already been designing the 65 ;] The bigger they get the more expensive they are though, and with all the heat packing in these boards I think I'll go broke prototyping them all xD
Do you plan to visit other layouts with this concept in the future? i.e, 65/75%'s
I am loving the polycarb! I hope to get my hands on this :)Thanks jed! Going to see what other colors I can make in PC! Someone wanted a burgandy and I personally want a teal so.
A neon / lime green polycarb would look insane in this caseSeconded but in Alu haha
A neon / lime green polycarb would look insane in this case 😁Got a Pantone? :]
Love the 60% board, the design is nice. Are you planning to run 65% right after this? If yes, then I will jump on that and skip this one.Thank you! I am working on a 65 now as well for myself, and I'm sure I might run something else soon, but an immediate run is likely a no. I only make these boards from time to time and they are very limited and special!
[prays for red]Give me a Pantone so I can look into it please :]
I need something to pair with the GMK Classic Red.
EU proxy pls, customs and taxes will crash our walletsHey Pixel. Lots of wonderful vendors/distributors have reached out to me already! I definitely plan on pairing up and making an A team for you guys!
[prays for red]Give me a Pantone so I can look into it please :]
I need something to pair with the GMK Classic Red.
Definitely interested. I'm not sure if I'm a fan of the visibly exposed PCB view on the bottom yet. Dope work nevertheless, all the prototypes you've made look amazing.
Got a Pantone? :]
As a note, the special Koob party paint/splatter paint everyone is referring to is something I did myself by hand. Its not available from any manu, but I can certainly paint yours by hand if you trust me lmao. Its on my original Pandora, not to be confused with the reworked one you see today.Show Image(https://i.imgur.com/vUYhSDF.jpg)
I trust you and want it very much. Thanks !Haha oh boy, this is gonna be fun! Thank you mamba, appreciate you :thumb:
Looks super special and nice.
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Dyed poly is , please consider a burgundy/dark red color
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When we say expensive, how expensive are we talking about? Half a grand or more? Anyways, I am going all in for this!I'm definitely thinking 800+. 500 seems low for the 1% 60%
When we say expensive, how expensive are we talking about? Half a grand or more? Anyways, I am going all in for this!Thank you buddy<3 Around 600 plus shipping is what Im shooting for right now. No need to overcharge more than cost at MOQ's.
USB hub is poorly placed for a mouse on the right side of the case as having the mouse cable need to cross over the keyboard doesn't really reduce the cable clutter. Having 2 USB ports (one on each side) would allow for both a mouse and say, a USB thumb drive to be connected.Thank you, it's a great point. I never added the hub thinking about a wired mouse. For me the best use cases were wireless dongles, usb sticks and connecting my phone. And I would redesign the case if it was make or break, I take feedback very seriously!
I know you won't re-design the case, but it's important to think about use cases so I wanted to bring it up.
This keyboard is amazing.KaosJ, good seeing your name! I have added cutout fill support! I'll definitely release the 3d file for a simple 2mm cutout to be wedged on top of the cutouts internally. I removed it because old Pandora didn't let light shine down as much as I wanted too.
Just a question, there is any chance that the holes on the bottom will be closed with something? (acrylic/pc/other? or a small frosted plate)
If no, can you please release a part of the bottom 3d model (after gb) just to let us design the insert to glue somehow in the hole, to cover completely that hole..
Overseeing the mash up of several well known styles of other boards... the USB port is oddly placed. It would be better placed in a similar location as the topre HHKB.I share your thoughts on the encoder more than the usb hub. It was almost impossible to add it anywhere else. The two have been centered proportionally to the center of the keyboard, and its actually quite pleasing to reach behind the board and use the encoder. Any thoughts on where you would you have placed the encoder? Thank you
the knob is also oddly placed on the back keyboard which not ver ergonomic nor easily reached.
these all novel ideas, it just does seem like they have been executed poorly.
Overseeing the mash up of several well known styles of other boards... the USB port is oddly placed. It would be better placed in a similar location as the topre HHKB.I share your thoughts on the encoder more than the usb hub. It was almost impossible to add it anywhere else. The two have been centered proportionally to the center of the keyboard, and its actually quite pleasing to reach behind the board and use the encoder. Any thoughts on where you would you have placed the encoder? Thank you
the knob is also oddly placed on the back keyboard which not ver ergonomic nor easily reached.
these all novel ideas, it just does seem like they have been executed poorly.
This keyboard is amazing.KaosJ, good seeing your name! I have added cutout fill support! I'll definitely release the 3d file for a simple 2mm cutout to be wedged on top of the cutouts internally. I removed it because old Pandora didn't let light shine down as much as I wanted too.
Just a question, there is any chance that the holes on the bottom will be closed with something? (acrylic/pc/other? or a small frosted plate)
If no, can you please release a part of the bottom 3d model (after gb) just to let us design the insert to glue somehow in the hole, to cover completely that hole..
Hello everyone. Thank you for patiently waiting and staying tuned in! Been finalizing everything, and I mean everything. I received my final prototype, and after building and inspecting it, I though its time for the green light. Here's a really big update, lets go!
Big Infos
- Group Buy will start September 12 (2.5 weeks) and will be through my website - https://pearlboards.net
- Fulfillment will be estimated 5-9 months after I pay all the manus, can be sooner
- Been back and forth with Paypal to make sure they don't lock my account. Have FundsNow setup, and they noted my intentions. Tons of other payments will be allowed as well!
- No Vendors or Proxys. I'm sorry fellas. There are too many moving parts, and my manus are being hesitant to split up shipments due to liability and their first time working with me. I've been pushing hard but Its for the best. I can still declare purchases at other values if asked to save you from taxes/VAT/customs
- Shipping will be UPS Priority Insured or DHL Express, calculated at checkout. I have a label maker, stamps account, and Shopify tools at my disposal. Also post office is 3min away from me. Shipping is around $40 domestic, $80+ Int
- Custom packaging so your boards are protected
- There are tons of extras I'm including in every purchase, and some secret extras
- I've pushed for many colors, and here is the final Pantone list - https://pearlboards.net/pages/extra-pandora-info
MOQ information and GB Format
- MOQ prices have been calculated for 50 Polycarbonate, 50 Brass and 50 Stainless Steel kits. You can see the kits on my site
- Anything that deviates off that can make prices rise up or be lower
- Any money saved can do directly into the buy for extras
- Format is FCFS
- I am willing to fulfill 150-300 boards
Caveat Emptor
- Not everything will go perfectly. Gb can fail, site can crash, bots, idk
- The boards aren't without their flaws. There will be a page on my site detailing exactly what to expect out of your Pandora.
Wew. That's out of the way. Lets see some prototype photos. WINGLETS have been revised, BADGE has been redone, SCREW HOLES moved inward. I don't want to hear anymore Keycult nonsense or BANNED. Pictured here are sandblasted weights and Tiffany Blue Pantone Polycarbonate weight. The blue came out too light also. So picked a very dark new Pantone for blue Alu.Show Image(https://i.imgur.com/64MpIKo.jpg)Show Image(https://i.imgur.com/ymERQqQ.jpg)Show Image(https://i.imgur.com/LDkF0md.jpg)Show Image(https://i.imgur.com/yXZgHzU.jpg)Show Image(https://i.imgur.com/uJlWJe7.jpg)Show Image(https://i.imgur.com/Hsbqh5Z.jpg)Show Image(https://i.imgur.com/V66rwkc.jpg)Show Image(https://i.imgur.com/INNfUH6.jpg)Show Image(https://i.imgur.com/2kiSdoq.jpg)Show Image(https://i.imgur.com/pSeq8Qx.jpg)Show Image(https://i.imgur.com/k1eUGoB.jpg)Final words, I will have my website up for you to PERUSE until GB starts. You can familiarize yourself with the kits and prices, so you know what to do when I open the buy up - https://pearlboards.net/
Anything I missed I'll add on or edit this post :]
I don’t see mention of that rainbow paint splatter version, is that going to on the site once group buy is live?
Any idea on how I can beautifully reduce the typing angle on this one? Use bigger bumpons at the bottom?That would be the cheapest way to do it I think.
Does the hotswap PCB have split or standard backspace? The OP had me hyped for a full Tsangan PCB, but the website states that it'll be full backspace :(Hey sir! It has a 2U backspace! As you know hotswap uses large sockets and can only accommodate few layouts. That being said, I have no problem prototyping you a one off hotswap pcb with split backspace if you pay the one off fee for that PCB at MOQ (~$150) :P
I don’t see mention of that rainbow paint splatter version, is that going to on the site once group buy is live?Under Special Edition, 2 available. I have to do it by hand so its a super tricky process, but I added it!
Is the engraved rose on the rotary encoder standard on all boards? (I really like it, so hopefully yes :)Yes sir! All of them have it and glad you like it!
I'm so in for this!Thank you! Directly into the Polycarbonate. Just go slow and it will all be alright
For the polycarb version, will all of the screw threads be into brass inserts, or directly into the polycarb?
Excited for this! Will we be able to mix and match parts like the alu board with a poly weight? Or is that reserved for the special edition.Reserved for the mix and match friend!
Could you offer just the PCB by itself? I'd like to buy it just for the 10u space bar support.Certainly. Just a note, if you plan on using this PCB for another 60%, you most likely need to trim the upper right LED corner so it fits. That being said, 10u support also needs a custom plate if you want to use screw in stabs!
September 12! Damn, I was expecting this much later. Time to starve myself.Oh no lol. Sorry bud
Its not so bad. Its around 9.5 degrees. But bump the front of it!Any idea on how I can beautifully reduce the typing angle on this one? Use bigger bumpons at the bottom?That would be the cheapest way to do it I think.
Get the smallest possible bumpon you can find for the top to prevent scratches and whatever size difference suits your needs for preferred angle on the bottom.
Can't we get a POM Plat for an aluminum case?
I can’t find the PCB in the Contents of the product page. Is it included? Do I have to buy it separately?
Can't we get a POM Plat for an aluminum case?
https://pearlboards.net/collections/pandoras/products/extra-pandora-switch-plate?variant=34199528571012
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Thanks for answering! I do have one more question though, is there going to be any protection from bots/website issues/server outages? This board is 100% endgame material, and with FCSC + the website being open early, there's a lot of potential for those kinds of problems.
Can't we get a POM Plat for an aluminum case?
https://pearlboards.net/collections/pandoras/products/extra-pandora-switch-plate?variant=34199528571012
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I don't mean extras tho. The White POM plate option isn't available for the alu boards.
Hey everyone! Sorry for all the confusion. Had to revise the site a tiny bit! Added all new info for everyone.
1. All kits come with the Solder pcb only, except for the Special Edition. That comes with both pcbs :thumb:
2. Pom plate is only available as extra. Accidentally had it on the PC kits as a choice (my bad).
3. You know...unless everyone knows something I don't, I really don't think this buy will be as frantic as what others have seen. Do you guys think bots will be an issue? If my site crashes we can just reopen it again when its back up.
4. The polished brass is not PVD treated, AND the sandblasted brass can also tarnish yes. The manu will treat it with a surface treatment to protect, but they have stated many times that it can tarnish. I will be writing all this up on a dedicated DISCLAIMER page on my website. I will also explain in more detail why brass is not being offered as PVD (manu didn't want to do it for quality concerns)
4. If anyone doesn't know, the reason why different plates and hotswap pcb's are only available as extras, is because of Minimum Order Quantities (MOQ). Usually when a runner calculates prices, it has to be on a realistic set of numbers. I can't just wildly say give me a quote on 50 solder and 50 hotswap pcbs, because 99 people might buy a solder pcb and that one hotswap pcb could be way more expensive than everything. Have tried my best to calculate the fairest prices on things and anything realistically out of expected buy range has to go in as an extra. In this example, I think more people will want solder pcbs and metal plates than hotswap pcbs or POM plates.
Look, if the site crashes, or bots come, or anything crazy happens, its ok. If it takes multiple tries thats fine too. Lets hope its a relaxed buy and it goes slow and no bush whacking stuff happens. And if it does, I can try to accommodate real people who want in.
Appreciate the updates! Here's hoping the price point is enough to scare the masses off and we can actually snag a spot :)
Do we have a set time yet? I could only find info that it's Sept 12, but don't know at what time.
Any specific vendors?
Thanks for the fast response! Bummer about the white pom as an extras option only, but alas~Thank you man, and I'm sorry! Should have had it updated correctly.
Looking forward to the GB :) If the bots don't take up all slots immediately :confused:
Shipping location?Florida USA sir
I'm not sure if there is a better way to prevent bots, but I think one would be to have an image/captcha style font of the product page URL (so it can't be copy/pasted) so people would have to manually type it in to actually get to the product page to buy, rather than having it just go "in stock" and be readily targeted by bots once it's up then gone in an instant. Though you might want to somehow change the product page URL to something more obscure preferably one that includes long random string so people can't just guess and figure it out before it's up, also the page should be hidden from your website and only accessible by typing in the provided URL.Appreciate the writeup. I will for sure try to incorporate some of that come GB time. I was thinking password protected site, and password being published on my IG maybe! We will see!
Basically, the only source of entry to buy would be from an image of the product page URL that you have to manually type in to get to, instead of just waiting and refreshing for the product page to go up in stock but I'm sure the Iron165 FCFS showed how stupid that was. Just an idea though, may have a flaw in there idk let me know. I just want a chance at this without having to up against bots. Of course, this is all under the assumption that you actually care, unlike Cannon Keys...but whatever. A raffle might be better instead ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
Can't wait for this, such a sick board!Thanks my dood :p
Please friends, no need to thank me, instead thank you for being along for the ride! I had my site down for a little bit because shipping and inventory weren't setup correctly. Had to incorporate pricing for state and local tax, and full insurance coverage on all orders. So spent all day calculating that with mock orders locally and internationally.Thanks for the fast response! Bummer about the white pom as an extras option only, but alas~Thank you man, and I'm sorry! Should have had it updated correctly.
Looking forward to the GB :) If the bots don't take up all slots immediately :confused:Shipping location?Florida USA sirI'm not sure if there is a better way to prevent bots, but I think one would be to have an image/captcha style font of the product page URL (so it can't be copy/pasted) so people would have to manually type it in to actually get to the product page to buy, rather than having it just go "in stock" and be readily targeted by bots once it's up then gone in an instant. Though you might want to somehow change the product page URL to something more obscure preferably one that includes long random string so people can't just guess and figure it out before it's up, also the page should be hidden from your website and only accessible by typing in the provided URL.Appreciate the writeup. I will for sure try to incorporate some of that come GB time. I was thinking password protected site, and password being published on my IG maybe! We will see!
Basically, the only source of entry to buy would be from an image of the product page URL that you have to manually type in to get to, instead of just waiting and refreshing for the product page to go up in stock but I'm sure the Iron165 FCFS showed how stupid that was. Just an idea though, may have a flaw in there idk let me know. I just want a chance at this without having to up against bots. Of course, this is all under the assumption that you actually care, unlike Cannon Keys...but whatever. A raffle might be better instead ¯\_(ツ)_/¯Can't wait for this, such a sick board!Thanks my dood :p
The captcha idea got me thinking, wouldn't it be simpler to add captcha upon check out instead? Or that won't work at all? idk, just thinking out loud.
GLWB! Will be missing this one due to financial reasons.
Appreciate the writeup. I will for sure try to incorporate some of that come GB time. I was thinking password protected site, and password being published on my IG maybe! We will see!
Do we have a set time yet? I could only find info that it's Sept 12, but don't know at what time.
Starts September 12, 2020 - 10AM EST
Do we have a set time yet? I could only find info that it's Sept 12, but don't know at what time.
Starts September 12, 2020 - 10AM EST
Is this confirmed? I too can't see said info anywhere.
Do we have a set time yet? I could only find info that it's Sept 12, but don't know at what time.
Starts September 12, 2020 - 10AM EST
Is this confirmed? I too can't see said info anywhere.
It says it right in the product description on his site.
Why can't PC or POM plates come standard?
Hey everyone! Sorry for all the confusion. Had to revise the site a tiny bit! Added all new info for everyone.
2. Pom plate is only available as extra. Accidentally had it on the PC kits as a choice (my bad).
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5. If anyone doesn't know, the reason why different plates and hotswap pcb's are only available as extras, is because of Minimum Order Quantities (MOQ). Usually when a runner calculates prices, it has to be on a realistic set of numbers. I can't just wildly say give me a quote on 50 solder and 50 hotswap pcbs, because 99 people might buy a solder pcb and that one hotswap pcb could be way more expensive than everything. Have tried my best to calculate the fairest prices on things and anything realistically out of expected buy range has to go in as an extra. In this example, I think more people will want solder pcbs and metal plates than hotswap pcbs or POM plates.
Would you be willing to undervalue packages for EU. Paying hundreds for customs fees is kills me.
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Yes I am aware of that.Would you be willing to undervalue packages for EU. Paying hundreds for customs fees is kills me.
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Even if the seller will offer this, be aware that it also affects insured value. $600 keyboard declared at $100, if it goes missing or gets damaged etc you're still out of pocket $500 (you, not the sender).
Crazy that ppl can't just have morals and values and proceed in a honorable manner smh. Thanks for all the ideas though man!The captcha idea got me thinking, wouldn't it be simpler to add captcha upon check out instead? Or that won't work at all? idk, just thinking out loud.
GLWB! Will be missing this one due to financial reasons.
The point is to have everyone go through a manual entry barrier that prevents automating add to cart > info entry > checkout, in an instant. Botting would still get people to the end faster than human input, so all they have to do is enter the captcha themselves at the end when prompted.Appreciate the writeup. I will for sure try to incorporate some of that come GB time. I was thinking password protected site, and password being published on my IG maybe! We will see!
I don't think that would do much though. Shopify websites like yours are easily botted and people already know the product page URL, so once they have the password into the website, they could just automate everything else from there since the bot would already know exactly where to go.
Here's an example generated captcha link that you might post on IG or here on GH, essentially you would have multiple of these links for each Pandora variation, the last string of random characters in the link is an example of what I mean to make the URL more obscure:
[attachimg=1]
So the process would be:
1) People in waiting room...
1) GB starts. You post the multiple generated captcha URL links on your IG or GH
2) People have to carefully read each URL for the Pandora variation they want
3) People manually type the URL they chose to get to the product page
Shopify has a captcha feature you can enable during checkout to add another barrier if you want, and you change the product URL handle easily so it should be a fairly simple process on your end as well.
Of course, not to forget that the product should be hidden on your website and only accessible via those given URL links. I think this is pretty straightforward and would effectively eliminate those sneaker bot script kiddies.
This could all just be done for the first 5-10 minutes or so for serious buyers, and then just have the product visible on the website after that if there are any left.
I hope this doesn't seem all too complex (which it isn't). I'm really just tired of that FCFS 'refresh until the product goes in stock' format, and want something done different for once so its fair for everyone. If there is a better way or a fault in this idea feel free to chime in.
Really appreciate everyone’s understanding! And yes I can undervalue. I don’t mind that at all. In the end you are buying this and I see it as very fair for you to have a final say in your fulfillment!
To go a little more into depth on extra plates and such, I’ll explain something else. I like offering options. If I didn’t, you’d be stuck with limited kits like what you usually see other gb runners do. And there’s nothing wrong with that at all, but I don’t like to operate that way. Because I like to offer a big free for all, it makes it even harder to get accurate price quotes. If POM was not an extra, it would lower the quantity of the other offered plates, which would then skew the prices. Every Pom plate ordered would mean one less XX plate ordered, and then it could end up costing everybody more or less. A way around this is to run a poll and see what people want, but thats not accurate at all. So the best solution to this was calculate pricing on a decent set of kits and offer unknown variables as extras!
Quite excited for this board after I saw this featured on Minterly's Twitch. Question for you, I know that the winglets are open but would you be providing anything in the case that anyone would want them enclosed?
Thank you!
Quite excited for this board after I saw this featured on Minterly's Twitch. Question for you, I know that the winglets are open but would you be providing anything in the case that anyone would want them enclosed?
Thank you!
Quite excited for this board after I saw this featured on Minterly's Twitch. Question for you, I know that the winglets are open but would you be providing anything in the case that anyone would want them enclosed?
Thank you!
Especially relevant on the polycarb models where the light is going to come from everywhere anyway so it would be nice not to have two unnecessary open holes
-The recommendation is because you can make some wild ass combinations that I personally think would not come out ok haha. Heres an example ;]Show Image(https://i.imgur.com/uDj3oAr.jpg)
Hi! I will provide the files to make a cutout cover for the winglets.
With GB getting closer, have been finalizing all details on the site so people know exactly what to expect. Also need to make a GH GB post.
This link has mostly everything needed to understand this Group Buy, and I will be adding more info to that link as it comes. Think of it as a mini sitemap. Info left to add would be how to build and how to flash Pandora. Lush_bunny, check out the builds and materials page for the plate comparison writeup in that link.
https://pearlboards.net/pages/gb-info
The captcha idea got me thinking, wouldn't it be simpler to add captcha upon check out instead? Or that won't work at all? idk, just thinking out loud.
GLWB! Will be missing this one due to financial reasons.
The point is to have everyone go through a manual entry barrier that prevents automating add to cart > info entry > checkout, in an instant. Botting would still get people to the end faster than human input, so all they have to do is enter the captcha themselves at the end when prompted.Appreciate the writeup. I will for sure try to incorporate some of that come GB time. I was thinking password protected site, and password being published on my IG maybe! We will see!
I don't think that would do much though. Shopify websites like yours are easily botted and people already know the product page URL, so once they have the password into the website, they could just automate everything else from there since the bot would already know exactly where to go.
Here's an example generated captcha link that you might post on IG or here on GH, essentially you would have multiple of these links for each Pandora variation, the last string of random characters in the link is an example of what I mean to make the URL more obscure:
[attachimg=1]
So the process would be:
1) People in waiting room...
1) GB starts. You post the multiple generated captcha URL links on your IG or GH
2) People have to carefully read each URL for the Pandora variation they want
3) People manually type the URL they chose to get to the product page
Shopify has a captcha feature you can enable during checkout to add another barrier if you want, and you change the product URL handle easily so it should be a fairly simple process on your end as well.
Of course, not to forget that the product should be hidden on your website and only accessible via those given URL links. I think this is pretty straightforward and would effectively eliminate those sneaker bot script kiddies.
This could all just be done for the first 5-10 minutes or so for serious buyers, and then just have the product visible on the website after that if there are any left.
I hope this doesn't seem all too complex (which it isn't). I'm really just tired of that FCFS 'refresh until the product goes in stock' format, and want something done different for once so its fair for everyone. If there is a better way or a fault in this idea feel free to chime in.
Thank you very much Horgix!
-The recommendation is because you can make some wild ass combinations that I personally think would not come out ok haha. Heres an example ;]Show Image(https://i.imgur.com/uDj3oAr.jpg)
I really like two toned boards, and this was more the idea in mix and match. Think TGR as an example.Show Image(https://i.imgur.com/VYk84zH.jpg)
So my recommendation was same material for top and bot, but different colors. But its all on you to pick!
-Special Editions I am looking at limiting them at 48, with 2 being Party Paints! (Subject to change Im sorry)
-Fixed the page, 2 badges included for SE!
Units are 150-300.Show Image(https://i.imgur.com/8LLz4p2.jpg)
I am super interested in this being this possibly being the 1 mega $$$ purchase this year. I like that case so much I'd buy two if I could. I have to stick a lighter under my 6% case to get the angle I like. I am sure it's about 9-11%.Thank you buddy! QMK and VIA yes! And 10u is hard to find. You need to harvest it off select vintage keyboards. Deskthority has a wiki on which boards might have a 10u spacebar! Gl with your search.
I need to know two things, and I just may be looking all the way around it:
1. Will the PCB have QMK/VIA or other support?
2. Who sells a 10u space bar? I get I can go with a 7, but I do find that aesthetic of it interesting.
Thanks in advance.
The metal plate looks really good on the PC case. Stoked to buy one!Thank you sir! Look good feel good :)
I am super interested in this being this possibly being the 1 mega $$$ purchase this year. I like that case so much I'd buy two if I could. I have to stick a lighter under my 6% case to get the angle I like. I am sure it's about 9-11%.Thank you buddy! QMK and VIA yes! And 10u is hard to find. You need to harvest it off select vintage keyboards. Deskthority has a wiki on which boards might have a 10u spacebar! Gl with your search.
I need to know two things, and I just may be looking all the way around it:
1. Will the PCB have QMK/VIA or other support?
2. Who sells a 10u space bar? I get I can go with a 7, but I do find that aesthetic of it interesting.
Thanks in advance.