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[jdcarpe]

If we could get a custom color about half way in between 2B and 2M that would be perfect in my opinion.

^ This.

[bueller]

Sorry if this has been answered before but has GMK confirmed that only 1 custom color is available?

[bazh]

2M is too light compared to TA's shade, I think, not sure how 3K look but it is still a lot lighter I believe


btw,I don't like (or, I hate) the brown-ish grey U9 so much...

[intelli78]

Sorry if this has been answered before but has GMK confirmed that only 1 custom color is available?

No. I am waiting to find out if we can get all custom colors. This discussion is about Plan B.

[intelli78]

What's wrong with 2M or 3K?

Nothing is "wrong" with them, but they are not even remotely close to the real caps. Those would just be Feng's cyan set with darker teal mods,  not Triumph Adler.

Also PSA: U9 is the modifier color on Classic beige, Olivetti, etc.

The halfway between 2b and 2M, that is an idea with promise.  I assume that would be easy for them to make, too, since they have both colors in stock. I'm not sure how the mixing process works, but I assumr iy just be mixing the two granulates 50/50, much easier than trying to match a completely new color

[bueller]

Sorry if this has been answered before but has GMK confirmed that only 1 custom color is available?

No. I am waiting to find out if we can get all custom colors. This discussion is about Plan B.

 

Looking at the scan nubbs put up (which IMHO is almost spot on for color accuracy) I like 2B or 2M for the alpha. Really don't like U9, just don't think colors work that well on beige. If we did only get one custom color I feel like it could be a bit of a missed opportunity not to use that color for the alpha legends. Should look quite nice on either 2B/2M as well.

[luckyryan333]

If I should choose between 2M and 2B only, I would choose 2M rather than 2B.
Otherwise, I believe U9 would be still another holy color for Plan B.

[nubbinator]

2M is too light compared to TA's shade, I think, not sure how 3K look but it is still a lot lighter I believe


btw,I don't like (or, I hate) the brown-ish grey U9 so much...

U9 is god awful.  2M is a light, light grey, 3k is a cream/beige, but also a very light color.

The halfway between 2b and 2M, that is an idea with promise.  I assume that would be easy for them to make, too, since they have both colors in stock. I'm not sure how the mixing process works, but I assumr iy just be mixing the two granulates 50/50, much easier than trying to match a completely new color

From my understanding, mixing them in the hopper will not work.  Injection molding does not heat and mix the pellets, the machines push the pellets through a heated nozzle.  So if you just mixed them in the hopped, you'd get a splotchy, inconsistent color.

[HoffmanMyster]

The halfway between 2b and 2M, that is an idea with promise.  I assume that would be easy for them to make, too, since they have both colors in stock. I'm not sure how the mixing process works, but I assumr iy just be mixing the two granulates 50/50, much easier than trying to match a completely new color

From my understanding, mixing them in the hopper will not work.  Injection molding does not heat and mix the pellets, the machines push the pellets through a heated nozzle.  So if you just mixed them in the hopped, you'd get a splotchy, inconsistent color.

If they use an extruder, that mixes the pellets quite well (also heats/shears them).  The processes I work with have a blender -> hopper -> extruder -> die.  Injection molding with extruders just swaps the die out for a mold, and operates in a non-steady-state manner.  This (injection molding) is not my area of expertise, FYI, so take it for what you'd like, but I do work with extruders every day so I know about those.   

[bazh]

Anybody can take some photos of the TA caps stand along with the classic white beige, and even with the GMK color chips? I think by that way we will get a clearer idea about how different TA grey is to normal white beige color

[Fnzzy]

I don't have a GMK color ring nor do I have the original keycaps from the TA keyboard, but I have a classic beige set and dyesub TA caps from one of their typewriters in grey with blue legends. Would that be of any help?

[Zeal]

GMK's sample picture of 2B is too saturated/dark. It's a bit too blue (you can see from the UN6037 cyan isn't the right colour -- again, too blue).

If you're going for this look


then 2B is very similar in the same "darker" lighting.


If you're aiming for this look


then U9 *COULD* work, given the darker doubleshot legend will reduce the yellow tinge found on U9. Doubleshot keys will always appear different (esp if there's a contrasting legend) vs a blank key due to thinner keycap walls. However it would be risky as U9 is more beige than gray.


If I were to describe U9 as a colour we've all seen (assuming IPS monitor set to srgb), then it's very similar to Google Maps' loading colour. However matching a real life keycap colour to a digital image is impossible.

[TBone]

2B is the only real choice for alphas. U9 is not even close. 2M is a bit too bright. Optimally it would be a color match though.

[nubbinator]

I'd rather go too light than too dark, but U9 really is awful.  I'd still probably be in with 2B, but I'd be out in a flash with U9.

[bueller]

I'd rather go too light than too dark, but U9 really is awful.  I'd still probably be in with 2B, but I'd be out in a flash with U9.

This is pretty much how I feel, I'd be comfortable with just about any choice other than U9, I really hate that color.

[stoic-lemon]

2B Seems like the best choice of those available.

[greath]

Anyone have thoughts on L9?

[bazh]

Anyone have thoughts on L9?

too light

[quochung1989]

Vote for 2B 

[bazh]

better just wait to clarify if we can have mutiple custom colors or not.


If the worst case turns out, I think 2B is the way to go then, U9 is just, terrible.

[Dee1]

I agree with the others. U9 just looks... not good. Something in the middle of 2B and 2M would probably be the best, so I think my vote goes for 2B Or 2M (if it isn't too light).

[intelli78]

Message received about U9.

[reformingpanda]

New user here.  I just recently learned about this whole group buying, key capping, double shotting underground after subbing r/mechanicalkeyboards.  I'm TOTALLY down for these keys, but I have to jump on the U9 hate train.  While 2B might be too dark, at least it's gray.  U9 just isn't even in the same realm as the TA keys.

[cooldiscretion]

This is gonna be the hottest keyset evs. Thanks for making it a reality, intelli78. 

When I heard about the numbers necessary for the custom colors, I was immediately thinking something like this would never come to fruition.

With MassDrop and your hard work, it looks like tons of people will be sporting this keyset when it's all produced.  I'm anxious to see how well
MassDrop handles a GMK order as well.  I don't think they have ever done one before, no?

[Geroximo]

Are the legends on the alphas going to be blue or teal?
Or still unknown?

[monotagary]

Are the legends on the alphas going to be blue or teal?
Or still unknown?

We are getting blue legends.

[Geroximo]

Are the legends on the alphas going to be blue or teal?
Or still unknown?

We are getting blue legends.

Sweet 

[cjhard]

I think 2B is way dark. Can they not do N2 anymore? U9 is closer to the mods of classic beige, but N2 is a grey version of the same lightness.

[VinnyCordeiro]

I think 2B is way dark. Can they not do N2 anymore? U9 is closer to the mods of classic beige, but N2 is a grey version of the same lightness.

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I second N2. And why wasn't it available on the other pictures?

EDIT: So N2 is gone. Bummer.  :(

[nubbinator]

I think 2B is way dark. Can they not do N2 anymore? U9 is closer to the mods of classic beige, but N2 is a grey version of the same lightness.

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They don't include a lot of those colors in their color ring.  BJ, V0, P2, L2, N2, N3, CB, N8, 3A, and 1M are all gone; however, they added V2 orange, CP white/cream, UN0001 white, UN33656 magenta, UN5046 purple, and UN6037 cyan.

My assumption is that if it's no longer in the color ring, it's no longer available.

[intelli78]

OK, so I abandoned the idea of printing custom colors -- results were too unpredictable. Instead, I've been researching Pantone colors, which are pre-defined, industry standards that GMK can work with.

IF we can get all custom colors, what do you guys think about this:





For the mod legends, I think it'll be UN0001. I've been using 2M in the mockups, but judging from Nubbinator's scans, UN0001 is an obvious improvement to make sure we get good contrast.

So I'm thinking this ^ ideally. If they shut down multiple custom colors, then we'll use our 1 for the teal, obviously, UN0001 for mod legends, V4 for alpha legends, and then we'll have to make a tough choice about the alpha base. Most debate so far has centered on 2B vs 2M, with the consensus being that we'd really want something in between. Almost everybody hates U9. I'll throw out another alternative, though - L9... ? That could go pretty well with the teal and lend the set a more vintage look...

Thoughts?

[nubbinator]

2M is actually really contrasty.  It's a really really light grey that I think would give a nice pop, but not be blindingly bright like UN0001 would be.  The only reason you can really tell it's grey is by having some of the cream and white caps next to it.

Those custom colors looks like they'd be great if you can do them.

Personally, I don't think L9 would look as good as 2M.

[bueller]

I would probably buy either but I would be leaning towards preferring 2M over L9.

[monotagary]

I love the Pantone you selected.

But if we can't go all custom then I would prefer 2M over L9 as well.

[intelli78]

2M is actually really contrasty.  It's a really really light grey that I think would give a nice pop, but not be blindingly bright like UN0001 would be.  The only reason you can really tell it's grey is by having some of the cream and white caps next to it.

Those custom colors looks like they'd be great if you can do them.

Personally, I don't think L9 would look as good as 2M.

My issue with 2M, is that it'll turn the set into this:



While it's attractive, it's been done already and it's distinctly not Triumph Adler. No TA boards have alphas anywhere near that brightness. They range from yellowish-beige to gray depending on the board and the photo, but they are definitely not that.

Regarding the legends you are right. I got nervous about the off-white, figured the pure white would be the safest choice, but yeah, there really shouldn't be any problem with 2M there.

[nubbinator]

2M isn't optimal for the alphas,I was just stating that it would be better than L9.  I do think it would be great for the legends and look close to the original.

I do think you're getting a little lost in getting 100% accuracy though.  I think people would be happy with close, even if the alphas are lighter.

[cjhard]

I think a slightly beige, but not as beige as Model M mods or classic beige mods would work great for the alphas. L9 or 3K are great choices.

2M is a cooler color hue that doesn't feel right alongside teal, while L9 and 3K appear a touch warmer in the photos I've seen, and aren't as muddy-dark as U9.

[VinnyCordeiro]

2B isn't a bad choice, although it's a bit too dark. I'd prefer using a darker gray than a lighter one if we can't get a custom color for alphas.

[hjc1710]

I love the pantones, but if we can't do that, I think I like plain 2B the best, really think those dark alphas would look good .

[Joey Quinn]

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OK, so I abandoned the idea of printing custom colors -- results were too unpredictable. Instead, I've been researching Pantone colors, which are pre-defined, industry standards that GMK can work with.

IF we can get all custom colors, what do you guys think about this:

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For the mod legends, I think it'll be UN0001. I've been using 2M in the mockups, but judging from Nubbinator's scans, UN0001 is an obvious improvement to make sure we get good contrast.

So I'm thinking this ^ ideally. If they shut down multiple custom colors, then we'll use our 1 for the teal, obviously, UN0001 for mod legends, V4 for alpha legends, and then we'll have to make a tough choice about the alpha base. Most debate so far has centered on 2B vs 2M, with the consensus being that we'd really want something in between. Almost everybody hates U9. I'll throw out another alternative, though - L9... ? That could go pretty well with the teal and lend the set a more vintage look...

Thoughts?

Those three look like solid choices.

[bueller]

Am I the only one that's worried about a not having a double-shot windows key? I only say this because I've got a set of NIB mods off a G81-8200 with the mixture of pad printed and double-shot and it's really off putting.

[cjhard]

I've only seen them do pad printing for front-facing legends, legends that don't exist anymore, and windowed caps, where the LED windows take up the second shot and they can't do a third for the legend.

The board you mentioned appears to have that mugly circle thingo making the Windows key distinct and stand-outy. Every GMK cap I've seen doesn't have that flawfeature.

I'm more concerned with the fact that the Windows key is a thing that exists at all. I, and a few former coworkers who had a hand in manufacturing IBM's (and later Lexmark's) Model M, believe the Windows key is the reason for the demise of the buckling spring's popularity and the rise of the rubber dome in every household. Refuse to add two Windows logo's to every keyboard, it'd cost too much, is fine, they'll just find someone in China who'll do it for a fraction of the cost instead.

[bueller]

The board you mentioned appears to have that mugly circle thingo making the Windows key distinct and stand-outy. Every GMK cap I've seen doesn't have that flawfeature.

Pretty sure the one with the circle around the windows logo is a lasered board, the pad printed one doesn't have any of that plastic nonsense haha

[heedpantsnow]

OK, so I abandoned the idea of printing custom colors -- results were too unpredictable. Instead, I've been researching Pantone colors, which are pre-defined, industry standards that GMK can work with.

IF we can get all custom colors, what do you guys think about this:

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For the mod legends, I think it'll be UN0001. I've been using 2M in the mockups, but judging from Nubbinator's scans, UN0001 is an obvious improvement to make sure we get good contrast.

So I'm thinking this ^ ideally. If they shut down multiple custom colors, then we'll use our 1 for the teal, obviously, UN0001 for mod legends, V4 for alpha legends, and then we'll have to make a tough choice about the alpha base. Most debate so far has centered on 2B vs 2M, with the consensus being that we'd really want something in between. Almost everybody hates U9. I'll throw out another alternative, though - L9... ? That could go pretty well with the teal and lend the set a more vintage look...

Thoughts?

Yes. Do it. Let's get this in the air!

[Synjin]

This will be done via MD then?

[Karura]

Am I the only one that's worried about a not having a double-shot windows key? I only say this because I've got a set of NIB mods off a G81-8200 with the mixture of pad printed and double-shot and it's really off putting.

You're definitely not the only one who thinks that.

I have a few GMK/Cherry doubleshot keysets that have both doubleshot and pad-printed keys, and I can say for sure that the pad printed keys are a slight (ever so slightly) different shade from the doubleshot legends.

As much as I like the idea of using vintage win98 windows keys, I'd much rather have a doubleshot key for windows, if it is not possible to doubleshot a win98 winkey.

[mz/x]

Am I the only one that's worried about a not having a double-shot windows key? I only say this because I've got a set of NIB mods off a G81-8200 with the mixture of pad printed and double-shot and it's really off putting.

I 100% agree with you. I think all keys should be double-shot.

[skcheng]

All keys would ideally be double shot like the OG keys.   Please have GMK offer dimpled F and J caps as well.   Some of us (not me) don't like the scoops.   

[nubbinator]

All keys would ideally be double shot like the OG keys.   Please have GMK offer dimpled F and J caps as well.   Some of us (not me) don't like the scoops.

Scoops are love, scoops are life.

[heedpantsnow]

Am I the only one that's worried about a not having a double-shot windows key? I only say this because I've got a set of NIB mods off a G81-8200 with the mixture of pad printed and double-shot and it's really off putting.

I also don't want mixed DS & printed sets. I'd rather have a DS word WIN than a printed logo any day.