Post by: yuktsi on Wed, 06 September 2017, 12:04:46
(https://i.imgur.com/i3clQej.jpg)
To be frank, I hadn't spent much time typing with the Jane/Jane CE. And that's because I am quite a fussy person, when it comes to the typing feel of a board. In a way, I am quite particular about the bottoming feel/sound. The Jane is just not as good even with a few of the screws removed from the plate. My guess is because of the plate and the weight. The plate was based on the Duck Orion. The quantity was too little back then, I wasn't so keen on increasing price in order to have the weight made like the one with 910.
To those who don't know what 910 is, here are some photos from Ferdi, 910 R1 (http://imgur.com/a/tmk9W). I've been using the same board for just over a month now. Which is rare in my case because I normally switch my daily driver every few days. I know I'd mentioned that there won't be another round for 910. But with all the jigs already made from the last round, I am hoping to make a little profit with this CE round. Especially after forking out much to fix/remake all the sub par boards from the first round.
Render
(https://i.imgur.com/JMeTYLg.jpg)
More
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(https://i.imgur.com/TJoTe4j.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/epBt1O5.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/DztwHZo.jpg)
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(https://i.imgur.com/epBt1O5.jpg)
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Weight
I had some hard time deciding if I should keep the same weight design as the R1 910. The weight of the R1 910 was machined from a 18mm thick brass block, with the tolerance of only 0.2mm, it's certainly not an easy process. Using a 2.5mm or 6mm flat weight like the Jane will make the process a whole lot easier, but will need to compromise typing fee. And also the cost. It's not an easy decision to make, really. Nevertheless, the weight of the CE will the same as R1
Bottom
(https://i.imgur.com/jKxzNvg.jpg)
The bottom case is probably the only major difference between the R1 and CE
Color, Delivery, Switch Plate, Price, Quantity
I would still very much like to complete the whole GB within 8-10 weeks time. Yes, the community is being very understanding with delays, but it's still some level of stress for me to bear. I would like to keep the choices color limited for this round, gray and black, perhaps silver too.
To keep things simple, brass will be the only switch plate option. I am hoping to get at least 20 orders. 20-30 boards are the sweet spot for me to complete within 8-10 weeks time. Price should be around $300 like the R1.
Post by: yuktsi on Wed, 06 September 2017, 12:05:16
Interest check form:
https://goo.gl/forms/88UIwMTG2KI2J4U62
Post by: Kafka on Wed, 06 September 2017, 12:05:32
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Post by: LDobler on Wed, 06 September 2017, 12:06:39
Post by: Cocopah on Wed, 06 September 2017, 12:07:59
Post by: smittysteve on Wed, 06 September 2017, 12:08:13
Post by: Waateva on Wed, 06 September 2017, 12:08:22
Post by: dgneo on Wed, 06 September 2017, 12:09:23
Post by: avid on Wed, 06 September 2017, 12:09:59
Have you decided how to get spot in this GB? FCFS, raffle?
Post by: mechamode on Wed, 06 September 2017, 12:12:13
Post by: dblack on Wed, 06 September 2017, 12:16:54
Post by: vinzlr on Wed, 06 September 2017, 12:18:51
Post by: nickysan92 on Wed, 06 September 2017, 12:19:46
I didn't enter R1 but let's see how this one goes *fingers crossed*
Post by: LightningXI on Wed, 06 September 2017, 12:22:51
Post by: cmd on Wed, 06 September 2017, 12:23:58
Post by: yuktsi on Wed, 06 September 2017, 12:24:46
Nice!TBH, I haven't decided yet, but I do hope to make more of these from time to time. I would also love to have some made with a different material other than aluminum, such as stainless steel, titanium...
Have you decided how to get spot in this GB? FCFS, raffle?
Or something like this
(https://i.imgur.com/hxduD9e.jpg)
Post by: yuktsi on Wed, 06 September 2017, 12:26:33
I don't think this one will get enough interest :-XAmos is very upset :'(
Post by: dgneo on Wed, 06 September 2017, 12:27:54
Nice!TBH, I haven't decided yet, but I do hope to make more of these from time to time. I would also love to have some made with a different material other than aluminum, such as stainless steel, titanium...
Have you decided how to get spot in this GB? FCFS, raffle?
Or something like thisShow Image(https://i.imgur.com/hxduD9e.jpg)
That acrylic 910 is still one of my favorite looking boards, would absolutely be in for one of those if it's an option.
Post by: cmd on Wed, 06 September 2017, 12:28:12
I don't think this one will get enough interest :-XAmos is very upset :'(
cmon bro... look at how many people are viewing :p :p
Post by: Jedi on Wed, 06 September 2017, 12:28:34
Missed R1, so definitely in.
+1, beautiful board yuktsi
Post by: squeakypizza on Wed, 06 September 2017, 12:29:00
Post by: Sent on Wed, 06 September 2017, 12:32:53
Nice!TBH, I haven't decided yet, but I do hope to make more of these from time to time. I would also love to have some made with a different material other than aluminum, such as stainless steel, titanium...
Have you decided how to get spot in this GB? FCFS, raffle?
Or something like thisShow Image(https://i.imgur.com/hxduD9e.jpg)
Can this be an option. :'(
Post by: smittysteve on Wed, 06 September 2017, 12:35:30
Nice!TBH, I haven't decided yet, but I do hope to make more of these from time to time. I would also love to have some made with a different material other than aluminum, such as stainless steel, titanium...
Have you decided how to get spot in this GB? FCFS, raffle?
Or something like thisShow Image(https://i.imgur.com/hxduD9e.jpg)
Can this be an option. :'(
+1. Would commit awful, horrific, despicable acts for a 910 in some sort of funky material like Polycarbonate or SS...
Post by: oatmicro on Wed, 06 September 2017, 13:05:01
Post by: amnesia0287 on Wed, 06 September 2017, 13:06:36
Missed R1, so definitely in.
+1, beautiful board yuktsi
+1
Post by: avid on Wed, 06 September 2017, 13:08:12
Post by: LDobler on Wed, 06 September 2017, 13:08:16
Post by: avid on Wed, 06 September 2017, 13:11:18
Would a brass insert for the 910 logo in the top right corner be possible?
that would be amazing.
Post by: dubious on Wed, 06 September 2017, 13:13:36
I think the logo on the weight should match the one on the top case. No italics
Post by: MikeTheTiger on Wed, 06 September 2017, 13:29:59
Post by: romevi on Wed, 06 September 2017, 13:31:36
Post by: pace8500 on Wed, 06 September 2017, 13:32:11
Post by: Jedi on Wed, 06 September 2017, 13:34:48
Can I join?
Are you 21 or over? Need parents permission first
Post by: Dreamre on Wed, 06 September 2017, 13:42:06
Can I join?
Are you 21 or over? Need parents permission first
I need my wife's permission :p ;D.
Post by: lishi on Wed, 06 September 2017, 13:51:55
Nice!TBH, I haven't decided yet, but I do hope to make more of these from time to time. I would also love to have some made with a different material other than aluminum, such as stainless steel, titanium...
Have you decided how to get spot in this GB? FCFS, raffle?
Or something like this
(https://i.imgur.com/hxduD9e.jpg) (https://i.imgur.com/hxduD9e.jpg)
Post by: Zackfoo on Wed, 06 September 2017, 14:04:22
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Post by: romevi on Wed, 06 September 2017, 14:50:45
Can I join?
Are you 21 or over? Need parents permission first
yuktsi is my dad and amos is my mom.
Post by: theillumedpanda on Wed, 06 September 2017, 14:51:33
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Post by: Vigrith on Wed, 06 September 2017, 15:32:26
LOL
Anyway I'd like pink/purple/tiffany for potential colours but plain ole black is always enough.
Post by: Puddsy on Wed, 06 September 2017, 15:41:34
Post by: DALExSNAIL on Wed, 06 September 2017, 16:01:37
I don't like the changes to the back corners.
Cool
Post by: kmba on Wed, 06 September 2017, 16:13:44
Post by: kawasaki161 on Wed, 06 September 2017, 16:27:46
Post by: nastrovje on Wed, 06 September 2017, 17:21:54
Nice!TBH, I haven't decided yet, but I do hope to make more of these from time to time. I would also love to have some made with a different material other than aluminum, such as stainless steel, titanium...
Have you decided how to get spot in this GB? FCFS, raffle?
Or something like thisShow Image(https://i.imgur.com/hxduD9e.jpg)
That acrylic 910 is still one of my favorite looking boards, would absolutely be in for one of those if it's an option.
I don't know how it would feel or sound, but it is looking great.
Count me in.
Post by: poolside on Wed, 06 September 2017, 17:38:12
Form filled. Does the 910 CE angle matches that of the Tris?
Post by: danielucf on Wed, 06 September 2017, 19:18:58
Post by: Sissy on Wed, 06 September 2017, 19:58:13
Also really dig the acrylic version you had made up, makes me miss the 90s where game consoles and tech came with clear cases you could see inside
Post by: Kafka on Wed, 06 September 2017, 20:06:44
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Post by: yuktsi on Wed, 06 September 2017, 20:44:52
:cool:Yeah, they are both 8 deg. Btw, here's a pic of neralo's 910
Form filled. Does the 910 CE angle matches that of the Tris?
These are the shades of black and gray that I plan to offer.
(https://i.imgur.com/twYZ8yp.jpg)
Post by: aaron6301 on Wed, 06 September 2017, 20:48:28
Post by: yuktsi on Wed, 06 September 2017, 20:48:28
You know Im diwn for it. This has to be my favorite layout ive seen on a keyboard.Haha, I know! I managed to find another pic of the polycarbonate's
Also really dig the acrylic version you had made up, makes me miss the 90s where game consoles and tech came with clear cases you could see inside
(https://i.imgur.com/NYunwlo.jpg)
This is the board that I've been dreaming to own since I got my Duck Unicorn 2 years ago.
Post by: Mr_BeastQuake on Wed, 06 September 2017, 20:55:40
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Post by: amnesia0287 on Wed, 06 September 2017, 22:27:09
Post by: nocturalowl on Thu, 07 September 2017, 00:22:15
form filled too ;D
Post by: asen1994 on Thu, 07 September 2017, 00:23:53
Post by: smittysteve on Thu, 07 September 2017, 00:49:45
You know Im diwn for it. This has to be my favorite layout ive seen on a keyboard.Haha, I know! I managed to find another pic of the polycarbonate's
Also really dig the acrylic version you had made up, you could see inside makes me miss the 90s where game consoles and tech came with clear casesShow Image(https://i.imgur.com/NYunwlo.jpg)
This is the board that I've been dreaming to own since I got my Duck Unicorn 2 years ago.
So VERY much this!!! These clear electronics were such fascination of my youth. Remember being stoked to get this bad boy in college.
(https://i2.wp.com/512pixels.net/wp-content/uploads/S3/2012-12-13-bondi-blue.jpeg?w=640)
Also dating myself here, but I loved this very Walkman as a little kid. Seeing the electronics and record/ playback head and the tape moving- all to listen to music. Frigging magic!
(https://i.pinimg.com/originals/bc/d1/58/bcd158c7ccd4b51e03258db6f09dfff9.jpg)
Sorry to throw the thread on nostalgia, but like others have said, I would be thrilled to see something like this Polycarbonate 910 come to life for a few units just so whether I get one myself or not, we could all enjoy seeing more keyboard art out in the wild. Awesome designs, Sam!!! :thumb: :thumb:
Post by: inosint on Thu, 07 September 2017, 02:07:21
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Post by: PoisonKing on Thu, 07 September 2017, 03:41:46
Show Image(https://i.imgur.com/NYunwlo.jpg)
This is the board that I've been dreaming to own since I got my Duck Unicorn 2 years ago.
oh my! :eek:
Post by: [Lewynlight] on Thu, 07 September 2017, 03:45:48
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Post by: Myoth on Thu, 07 September 2017, 04:24:26
Nice!TBH, I haven't decided yet, but I do hope to make more of these from time to time. I would also love to have some made with a different material other than aluminum, such as stainless steel, titanium...
Have you decided how to get spot in this GB? FCFS, raffle?
Or something like thisShow Image(https://i.imgur.com/hxduD9e.jpg)
that looks honestly better than the other metal cases IMO
Post by: foxlive on Thu, 07 September 2017, 05:08:44
Post by: lotus1109 on Thu, 07 September 2017, 05:31:29
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Post by: yuktsi on Thu, 07 September 2017, 05:32:51
Well, you know my view on this from R1 where I didn't have the best luck out there, maybe it's better this time, though I'd have to get a different PCB made.... probably still worth it :thumb:Why do you need a new PCB made? You do prefer QMK huh?
Speaking of PCB, this is the PCB I made for Elaine's project, but she didn't like the color. I am planning to do the same for the CE. Matte green with the gold immersed finish at the soldering pad. What do you guys think?
(https://i.imgur.com/FmmmZRw.jpg)
Post by: dgneo on Thu, 07 September 2017, 05:35:26
Well, you know my view on this from R1 where I didn't have the best luck out there, maybe it's better this time, though I'd have to get a different PCB made.... probably still worth it :thumb:Why do you need a new PCB made? You do prefer QMK huh?
Speaking of PCB, this is the PCB I made for Elaine's project, but she didn't like the color. I am planning to do the same for the CE. Matte green with the gold immersed finish at the soldering pad. What do you guys think?Show Image(https://i.imgur.com/FmmmZRw.jpg)
The matte is definitely nice, personally more of a fan of glossy PCBs
(http://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20161126/a3c14b05f82a0fbd28488e64447d941b.jpg)
From an 86u, the color is gorgeous in person, very emerald green.
Post by: lotus1109 on Thu, 07 September 2017, 05:40:40
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Post by: pace8500 on Thu, 07 September 2017, 05:46:27
Post by: Sissy on Thu, 07 September 2017, 05:57:29
Green PCBs are underratedI feel we overdid the whites, and love the green again.
Very much like the matte green and gold, while purple is always my color of choice this stands on even ground with the Zeal60 pcb for colors I like.
Post by: [Lewynlight] on Thu, 07 September 2017, 06:00:42
Well, you know my view on this from R1 where I didn't have the best luck out there, maybe it's better this time, though I'd have to get a different PCB made.... probably still worth it :thumb:Why do you need a new PCB made? You do prefer QMK huh?
Speaking of PCB, this is the PCB I made for Elaine's project, but she didn't like the color. I am planning to do the same for the CE. Matte green with the gold immersed finish at the soldering pad. What do you guys think?Show Image(https://i.imgur.com/FmmmZRw.jpg)
The matte is definitely nice, personally more of a fan of glossy PCBsShow Image(http://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20161126/a3c14b05f82a0fbd28488e64447d941b.jpg)
From an 86u, the color is gorgeous in person, very emerald green.
Topre's PCB are something else.
it's very thick and solid. and the green is so good also.
Yuktsi, please keep making it green, it would be very good with my TA RA :p
Post by: yuktsi on Thu, 07 September 2017, 06:41:48
Wow, that another level of glossiness :blank: I had the Tris PCB made in glossy/normal green, the appearance nowhere near the one that you just shared. I am so jealous of your 86u, have you thought of replacing the case with one that is made of aluminum and comes with the winkeyless blockers?Well, you know my view on this from R1 where I didn't have the best luck out there, maybe it's better this time, though I'd have to get a different PCB made.... probably still worth it :thumb:Why do you need a new PCB made? You do prefer QMK huh?
Speaking of PCB, this is the PCB I made for Elaine's project, but she didn't like the color. I am planning to do the same for the CE. Matte green with the gold immersed finish at the soldering pad. What do you guys think?Show Image(https://i.imgur.com/FmmmZRw.jpg)
The matte is definitely nice, personally more of a fan of glossy PCBsShow Image(http://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20161126/a3c14b05f82a0fbd28488e64447d941b.jpg)
From an 86u, the color is gorgeous in person, very emerald green.
Would a brass insert for the 910 logo in the top right corner be possible?That's a really good idea. I don't know why I hadn't thought of that. I just requested for a quote for the brass blocker, let's see how it goes.
Thank you :-*
Post by: dgneo on Thu, 07 September 2017, 06:46:31
Wow, that another level of glossiness :blank: I had the Tris PCB made in glossy/normal green, the appearance nowhere near the one that you just shared. I am so jealous of your 86u, have you thought of replacing the case with one that is made of aluminum and comes with the winkeyless blockers?
That's the ideal plan, I've come across 89u's for a makeshift WKL Realforce, but aluminium WKL Realforce is definitely a long time want of mine.
Post by: cmd on Thu, 07 September 2017, 07:30:33
Well, you know my view on this from R1 where I didn't have the best luck out there, maybe it's better this time, though I'd have to get a different PCB made.... probably still worth it :thumb:Why do you need a new PCB made? You do prefer QMK huh?
Speaking of PCB, this is the PCB I made for Elaine's project, but she didn't like the color. I am planning to do the same for the CE. Matte green with the gold immersed finish at the soldering pad. What do you guys think?Show Image(https://i.imgur.com/FmmmZRw.jpg)
Green or Red are the best :thumb:
Post by: DALExSNAIL on Thu, 07 September 2017, 07:38:50
Well, you know my view on this from R1 where I didn't have the best luck out there, maybe it's better this time, though I'd have to get a different PCB made.... probably still worth it :thumb:Why do you need a new PCB made? You do prefer QMK huh?
Speaking of PCB, this is the PCB I made for Elaine's project, but she didn't like the color. I am planning to do the same for the CE. Matte green with the gold immersed finish at the soldering pad. What do you guys think?Show Image(https://i.imgur.com/FmmmZRw.jpg)
Red is and always will be the best :thumb:
ftfy
Post by: kmba on Thu, 07 September 2017, 07:40:56
Wow, that another level of glossiness :blank: I had the Tris PCB made in glossy/normal green, the appearance nowhere near the one that you just shared. I am so jealous of your 86u, have you thought of replacing the case with one that is made of aluminum and comes with the winkeyless blockers?
That's the ideal plan, I've come across 89u's for a makeshift WKL Realforce, but aluminium WKL Realforce is definitely a long time want of mine.
Wkl Realforce you say..https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=89451.0a
Post by: pr0ximity on Thu, 07 September 2017, 08:00:27
Please.
Post by: potatobot on Thu, 07 September 2017, 09:02:21
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Post by: DALExSNAIL on Thu, 07 September 2017, 09:28:00
Need one but purple please?
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Post by: potatobot on Thu, 07 September 2017, 09:32:53
Need one but purple please?
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Mix and match top and bottom parts please :( ill give up on the purple but damn it would have been awesome.
Dream black lotus board.....
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Post by: clasicks on Thu, 07 September 2017, 09:39:21
Post by: kawasaki161 on Thu, 07 September 2017, 11:53:38
Well, you know my view on this from R1 where I didn't have the best luck out there, maybe it's better this time, though I'd have to get a different PCB made.... probably still worth it :thumb:Why do you need a new PCB made? You do prefer QMK huh?
Yeah, I really need QMK, well, anything with less input delay than BMC and Jigon. I play rhythm games a lot and I'm used to the delay of QMK/TMK/O2D implementations using a 32u4, BMC and Jigon are just a bit slower which throws me off a lot.
Post by: cmd on Thu, 07 September 2017, 12:02:57
Well, you know my view on this from R1 where I didn't have the best luck out there, maybe it's better this time, though I'd have to get a different PCB made.... probably still worth it :thumb:Why do you need a new PCB made? You do prefer QMK huh?
Yeah, I really need QMK, well, anything with less input delay than BMC and Jigon. I play rhythm games a lot and I'm used to the delay of QMK/TMK/O2D implementations using a 32u4, BMC and Jigon are just a bit slower which throws me off a lot.
https://gifimage.net/wp-content/uploads/2017/08/willem-dafoe-gif-14.gif
Post by: DALExSNAIL on Thu, 07 September 2017, 12:05:04
Well, you know my view on this from R1 where I didn't have the best luck out there, maybe it's better this time, though I'd have to get a different PCB made.... probably still worth it :thumb:Why do you need a new PCB made? You do prefer QMK huh?
Yeah, I really need QMK, well, anything with less input delay than BMC and Jigon. I play rhythm games a lot and I'm used to the delay of QMK/TMK/O2D implementations using a 32u4, BMC and Jigon are just a bit slower which throws me off a lot.
I'm sorry, but could you repeat that?
Post by: kawasaki161 on Thu, 07 September 2017, 12:05:59
Well, you know my view on this from R1 where I didn't have the best luck out there, maybe it's better this time, though I'd have to get a different PCB made.... probably still worth it :thumb:Why do you need a new PCB made? You do prefer QMK huh?
Yeah, I really need QMK, well, anything with less input delay than BMC and Jigon. I play rhythm games a lot and I'm used to the delay of QMK/TMK/O2D implementations using a 32u4, BMC and Jigon are just a bit slower which throws me off a lot.
https://gifimage.net/wp-content/uploads/2017/08/willem-dafoe-gif-14.gif
Yes, it's weird, I know. But hey, it's a reason to get into PCB design ;)
I'm sorry, but could you repeat that?Yeah, I really need QMK, well, anything with less input delay than BMC and Jigon. I play rhythm games a lot and I'm used to the delay of QMK/TMK/O2D implementations using a 32u4, BMC and Jigon are just a bit slower which throws me off a lot.
Post by: DALExSNAIL on Thu, 07 September 2017, 12:24:55
Well, you know my view on this from R1 where I didn't have the best luck out there, maybe it's better this time, though I'd have to get a different PCB made.... probably still worth it :thumb:Why do you need a new PCB made? You do prefer QMK huh?
Yeah, I really need QMK, well, anything with less input delay than BMC and Jigon. I play rhythm games a lot and I'm used to the delay of QMK/TMK/O2D implementations using a 32u4, BMC and Jigon are just a bit slower which throws me off a lot.
https://gifimage.net/wp-content/uploads/2017/08/willem-dafoe-gif-14.gif
Yes, it's weird, I know. But hey, it's a reason to get into PCB design ;)I'm sorry, but could you repeat that?Yeah, I really need QMK, well, anything with less input delay than BMC and Jigon. I play rhythm games a lot and I'm used to the delay of QMK/TMK/O2D implementations using a 32u4, BMC and Jigon are just a bit slower which throws me off a lot.
Ok but again in not nerd terms sir
Post by: kawasaki161 on Thu, 07 September 2017, 12:56:49
Ok but again in not nerd terms sir
There are two microcontrollers that are commonly used for our custom keyboards, the 32u4 (used for QMK,TMK and O2D) and the 32a (used for BootmapperClient/ps2avrGB and Jigon).
From my personal observations I came to the conclusion that the time from when you press the key to when it registers on the computer on 32a implementations is a bit longer than on 32u4 implementations.
In the grand scheme of things this does not matter for 99% of users, but if you are playing rhythm games with very tight timing windows and are used to the faster one it makes a very big difference.
Let's say your timing window is 30ms, which means there are 15ms before and after the perfect timing that it still counts, let's just assume the increased delay is 5ms higher (this is NOT the actual value as I can't accurately measure it). This effectively makes your hitwindow 5ms smaller as well as making every hitsound appear 5ms later than you'd expect it, which will make everything feel wrong.
Q: "I don't play these games, why would I care?"
A: If you don't use any of the other features QMK offers that BMC or Jigon do not offer you have no reason to, even for normal competetive gaming it does not make any significant difference.
Post by: smittysteve on Thu, 07 September 2017, 13:04:47
Ok but again in not nerd terms sir
There are two microcontrollers that are commonly used for our custom keyboards, the 32u4 (used for QMK,TMK and O2D) and the 32a (used for BootmapperClient/ps2avrGB and Jigon).
From my personal observations I came to the conclusion that the time from when you press the key to when it registers on the computer on 32a implementations is a bit longer than on 32u4 implementations.
In the grand scheme of things this does not matter for 99% of users, but if you are playing rhythm games with very tight timing windows and are used to the faster one it makes a very big difference.
Let's say your timing window is 30ms, which means there are 15ms before and after the perfect timing that it still counts, let's just assume the increased delay is 5ms higher (this is NOT the actual value as I can't accurately measure it). This effectively makes your hitwindow 5ms smaller as well as making every hitsound appear 5ms later than you'd expect it, which will make everything feel wrong.
Q: "I don't play these games, why would I care?"
A: If you don't use any of the other features QMK offers that BMC or Jigon do not offer you have no reason to, even for normal competetive gaming it does not make any significant difference.
Quite interesting- thanks for the explanation, I was wondering as well...
I love the level of nerdiness and detail we all care about here- and all for different reasons. Programming, gaming or just for a kick ass way to get work done every day, it's pretty cool that we all choose to dive deep in this mechanical keyboard world. I like it and enjoy hearing things like this that make one board different from others and even motivate you, kawasaki to the (seemingly to me- really difficult!) world of designing your own PCB. :thumb: :thumb:
Post by: yuktsi on Thu, 07 September 2017, 13:07:52
I've yet to study in detail, but can QMK be implemented by simply replacing 32a chip with 32u4? I can share you the schematic drawing if you need.Ok but again in not nerd terms sir
There are two microcontrollers that are commonly used for our custom keyboards, the 32u4 (used for QMK,TMK and O2D) and the 32a (used for BootmapperClient/ps2avrGB and Jigon).
From my personal observations I came to the conclusion that the time from when you press the key to when it registers on the computer on 32a implementations is a bit longer than on 32u4 implementations.
In the grand scheme of things this does not matter for 99% of users, but if you are playing rhythm games with very tight timing windows and are used to the faster one it makes a very big difference.
Let's say your timing window is 30ms, which means there are 15ms before and after the perfect timing that it still counts, let's just assume the increased delay is 5ms higher (this is NOT the actual value as I can't accurately measure it). This effectively makes your hitwindow 5ms smaller as well as making every hitsound appear 5ms later than you'd expect it, which will make everything feel wrong.
Q: "I don't play these games, why would I care?"
A: If you don't use any of the other features QMK offers that BMC or Jigon do not offer you have no reason to, even for normal competetive gaming it does not make any significant difference.
Post by: kawasaki161 on Thu, 07 September 2017, 13:40:38
I've yet to study in detail, but can QMK be implemented by simply replacing 32a chip with 32u4? I can share you the schematic drawing if you need.
I still haven't looked into converting but I think that's basically it, well it probably needs a few different capacitors and resistors to drive the controller, but the other stuff should be the same or really similar.
It would be really awesome if you could share any of those PCB files with me, it would definitely make my job a lot easier.
Post by: lunr on Thu, 07 September 2017, 14:43:01
Post by: pr0ximity on Thu, 07 September 2017, 14:58:34
Hm no purple?
(https://i.imgur.com/FrQKTwT.jpg)
yuktsi, pls
Post by: FoC_Tow on Thu, 07 September 2017, 17:04:58
Nice!TBH, I haven't decided yet, but I do hope to make more of these from time to time. I would also love to have some made with a different material other than aluminum, such as stainless steel, titanium...
Have you decided how to get spot in this GB? FCFS, raffle?
Or something like thisShow Image(https://i.imgur.com/hxduD9e.jpg)
O_O
Dat sweet polycarb
Post by: nastrovje on Thu, 07 September 2017, 18:58:45
Hm no purple?Show Image(https://i.imgur.com/FrQKTwT.jpg)
yuktsi, pls
(https://images-na.ssl-images-amazon.com/images/I/51PMPJ756QL.jpg) pls
Post by: Sissy on Thu, 07 September 2017, 20:27:52
I miss clear consoles so damn much.Hm no purple?Show Image(https://i.imgur.com/FrQKTwT.jpg)
yuktsi, plsShow Image(https://images-na.ssl-images-amazon.com/images/I/51PMPJ756QL.jpg)pls
Post by: futurecrime on Fri, 08 September 2017, 03:29:19
Post by: vegs on Fri, 08 September 2017, 03:32:36
Post by: amnesia0287 on Fri, 08 September 2017, 04:27:12
I miss clear consoles so damn much.Hm no purple?Show Image(https://i.imgur.com/FrQKTwT.jpg)
yuktsi, plsShow Image(https://images-na.ssl-images-amazon.com/images/I/51PMPJ756QL.jpg)pls
+1
(http://media.comicbook.com/2017/09/n64-1019332.png)
Post by: yuktsi on Fri, 08 September 2017, 05:33:07
Post by: Damonskv on Fri, 08 September 2017, 06:01:02
Just got all the price sorted. Will most likely be posting the GB on the 10th of September.Great, is there a limit on the number of participants? If Yes then will the rafle?
Post by: cmd on Fri, 08 September 2017, 06:15:23
Just got all the price sorted. Will most likely be posting the GB on the 10th of September.Great, is there a limit on the number of participants? If Yes then will the rafle?
"I am hoping to get at least 20 orders. 20-30 boards are the sweet spot for me to complete within 8-10 weeks time."
I am this info can change.
Post by: avid on Fri, 08 September 2017, 06:21:45
Just got all the price sorted. Will most likely be posting the GB on the 10th of September.
This board is so cool. Raffle / FCFS?
Post by: dgneo on Fri, 08 September 2017, 06:30:23
Just got all the price sorted. Will most likely be posting the GB on the 10th of September.
hype train choo chooooooooooo
Post by: ctzn_voyager on Fri, 08 September 2017, 06:46:00
Post by: foxlive on Fri, 08 September 2017, 07:44:45
Just got all the price sorted. Will most likely be posting the GB on the 10th of September.
hype train choo chooooooooooo
Totally agree on this !! I would love to be part of this GB!
Post by: Sent on Fri, 08 September 2017, 09:06:13
Just got all the price sorted. Will most likely be posting the GB on the 10th of September.
Whelp. Time to abuse the wallet some more.
if I can get in the sale :-\
Post by: romevi on Fri, 08 September 2017, 09:48:39
Just got all the price sorted. Will most likely be posting the GB on the 10th of September.
(https://i.imgur.com/SyjQbJe.jpg)
Post by: ___q on Fri, 08 September 2017, 09:53:54
Just got all the price sorted. Will most likely be posting the GB on the 10th of September.
Fingers crossed, really want in on this one. The flat sides look great on a smaller board like this.
Post by: Unforgivable on Fri, 08 September 2017, 09:58:13
Yuktsi, will we be able to get additional plates? If I'm lucky enough to get a spot, I'd love to get both a brass and aluminum plate! Heck, PVD coated brass plates would be sweet too!
Post by: romevi on Fri, 08 September 2017, 10:04:04
Oh gosh. Maybe I'll get lucky enough to get my first TGR Board!
If you win you will be pleased. I own a Jane r1 and love it plenty, and it seems the quality has gone up from there. But for yuktsi's first board, the Jane is fantastic.
Post by: foxlive on Fri, 08 September 2017, 10:22:53
Oh gosh. Maybe I'll get lucky enough to get my first TGR Board!
If you win you will be pleased. I own a Jane r1 and love it plenty, and it seems the quality has gone up from there. But for yuktsi's first board, the Jane is fantastic.
“If you win”, what do you mean by that? How does this GB will be handel if there is my order than the 20/30 pieces expected to be made? First arrived first served or a kind of lottery ?
Post by: clasicks on Fri, 08 September 2017, 10:23:45
Oh gosh. Maybe I'll get lucky enough to get my first TGR Board!
If you win you will be pleased. I own a Jane r1 and love it plenty, and it seems the quality has gone up from there. But for yuktsi's first board, the Jane is fantastic.
“If you win”, what do you mean by that? How does this GB will be handel if there is my order than the 20/30 pieces expected to be made? First arrived first served or a kind of lottery ?
up to the OP - i pray for raffle as fcfs is too easy to win
Post by: Mr_BeastQuake on Fri, 08 September 2017, 12:12:45
Oh gosh. Maybe I'll get lucky enough to get my first TGR Board!
If you win you will be pleased. I own a Jane r1 and love it plenty, and it seems the quality has gone up from there. But for yuktsi's first board, the Jane is fantastic.
“If you win”, what do you mean by that? How does this GB will be handel if there is my order than the 20/30 pieces expected to be made? First arrived first served or a kind of lottery ?
up to the OP - i pray for raffle as fcfs is too easy to win
I pray for waitlist to get in, then you can have your raffle >:D
Post by: Captainbuttmonkey on Fri, 08 September 2017, 12:31:44
Post by: Pepe_Silvia on Fri, 08 September 2017, 13:01:27
Post by: DALExSNAIL on Fri, 08 September 2017, 13:10:00
So will the cases be 2 tone or one solid color?
They are 2 pieces, so I would assume we'd be able to choose like last time
Post by: Pepe_Silvia on Fri, 08 September 2017, 13:30:46
So will the cases be 2 tone or one solid color?
They are 2 pieces, so I would assume we'd be able to choose like last time
Oh ok, I didn't know of that was still TBD.
Post by: Theconejo on Fri, 08 September 2017, 14:07:47
Post by: smittysteve on Fri, 08 September 2017, 14:09:05
So will the cases be 2 tone or one solid color?
They are 2 pieces, so I would assume we'd be able to choose like last time
Oh ok, I didn't know of that was still TBD.
It's all TBD until Yuktsi drops the form. There are lots of hopes and dreams floating around (come on Polycarbonate!!), but Sam has to decide what's feasible for production. He runs some of the best buys in the bidness, so whatever he comes out with, it will be awesome and will be done right.
Post by: Pepe_Silvia on Fri, 08 September 2017, 14:28:16
So will the cases be 2 tone or one solid color?
They are 2 pieces, so I would assume we'd be able to choose like last time
Oh ok, I didn't know of that was still TBD.
It's all TBD until Yuktsi drops the form. There are lots of hopes and dreams floating around (come on Polycarbonate!!), but Sam has to decide what's feasible for production. He runs some of the best buys in the bidness, so whatever he comes out with, it will be awesome and will be done right.
I'd prefer the polycarbonate as well, but would just be happy to get in on any of them.
Post by: kawasaki161 on Fri, 08 September 2017, 14:40:44
It's all TBD until Yuktsi drops the form. There are lots of hopes and dreams floating around (come on Polycarbonate!!), but Sam has to decide what's feasible for production. He runs some of the best buys in the bidness, so whatever he comes out with, it will be awesome and will be done right.This totally sounds like a comment Elrick would post under an LZ IC :thumb: .
Post by: smittysteve on Fri, 08 September 2017, 14:42:40
It's all TBD until Yuktsi drops the form. There are lots of hopes and dreams floating around (come on Polycarbonate!!), but Sam has to decide what's feasible for production. He runs some of the best buys in the bidness, so whatever he comes out with, it will be awesome and will be done right.This totally sounds like a comment Elrick would post under an LZ IC :thumb: .
Hahahahaha! You're right. I frigging love Elrick's comments but also one Elrick is enough for the board. I hereby vow to refrain from future hyperbole.
Post by: romevi on Fri, 08 September 2017, 14:50:39
It's all TBD until Yuktsi drops the form. There are lots of hopes and dreams floating around (come on Polycarbonate!!), but Sam has to decide what's feasible for production. He runs some of the best buys in the bidness, so whatever he comes out with, it will be awesome and will be done right.This totally sounds like a comment Elrick would post under an LZ IC :thumb: .
Hahahahaha! You're right. I frigging love Elrick's comments but also one Elrick is enough for the board. I hereby vow to refrain from future hyperbole.
It's close, but you gotta put in more upfrontness/rudeness.
Post by: poolside on Fri, 08 September 2017, 16:02:20
:cool:Yeah, they are both 8 deg. Btw, here's a pic of neralo's 910
Form filled. Does the 910 CE angle matches that of the Tris?
These are the shades of black and gray that I plan to offer.Show Image(https://i.imgur.com/twYZ8yp.jpg)
Thanks!
Post by: OmegaSupreme on Fri, 08 September 2017, 20:45:56
Post by: ihalatch on Fri, 08 September 2017, 20:55:58
Post by: potatobot on Fri, 08 September 2017, 22:25:10
Post by: pixelpusher on Fri, 08 September 2017, 22:43:20
Post by: superdoedoe on Fri, 08 September 2017, 23:20:05
Post by: ihalatch on Sat, 09 September 2017, 02:33:36
Wow, that another level of glossiness :blank: I had the Tris PCB made in glossy/normal green, the appearance nowhere near the one that you just shared. I am so jealous of your 86u, have you thought of replacing the case with one that is made of aluminum and comes with the winkeyless blockers?Well, you know my view on this from R1 where I didn't have the best luck out there, maybe it's better this time, though I'd have to get a different PCB made.... probably still worth it :thumb:Why do you need a new PCB made? You do prefer QMK huh?
Speaking of PCB, this is the PCB I made for Elaine's project, but she didn't like the color. I am planning to do the same for the CE. Matte green with the gold immersed finish at the soldering pad. What do you guys think?Show Image(https://i.imgur.com/FmmmZRw.jpg)
The matte is definitely nice, personally more of a fan of glossy PCBsShow Image(http://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20161126/a3c14b05f82a0fbd28488e64447d941b.jpg)
From an 86u, the color is gorgeous in person, very emerald green.Would a brass insert for the 910 logo in the top right corner be possible?That's a really good idea. I don't know why I hadn't thought of that. I just requested for a quote for the brass blocker, let's see how it goes.
Thank you :-*
I hope the acrylic insert will be offered too?
Post by: Miotch92 on Sat, 09 September 2017, 02:40:05
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Post by: ihalatch on Sat, 09 September 2017, 02:40:35
It's all TBD until Yuktsi drops the form. There are lots of hopes and dreams floating around (come on Polycarbonate!!), but Sam has to decide what's feasible for production. He runs some of the best buys in the bidness, so whatever he comes out with, it will be awesome and will be done right.This totally sounds like a comment Elrick would post under an LZ IC :thumb: .
I like the good old Elrick. He's a funny dude.
Post by: superdoedoe on Sat, 09 September 2017, 04:14:27
Holy... this board is amazing. Feel like the demand will far outnumber the supply!
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Duh of course
Post by: LDobler on Sat, 09 September 2017, 07:13:37
Post by: Bits on Sat, 09 September 2017, 12:43:03
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Post by: yuktsi on Sat, 09 September 2017, 12:54:11
Good night, guys. Waking up early later for morning ride :blank:.
Post by: avid on Sat, 09 September 2017, 12:55:26
Does this mean FCFC or raffle?
Post by: ihalatch on Sat, 09 September 2017, 13:20:21
Post by: LDobler on Sat, 09 September 2017, 13:26:57
I just submitted the GB thread. Will have the google form posted on 10th September, at 12pm eastern time.In about 21hrs?
Good night, guys. Waking up early later for morning ride :blank:.
Post by: ctzn_voyager on Sat, 09 September 2017, 13:34:07
12pm eastern in USA?
That's how I read it but would love some clarity. Now I'm assuming it's noon on Sunday in NYC.
Post by: Bits on Sat, 09 September 2017, 13:55:22
Same here. Looks like I'll be looking for the GB thread tomorrow at 9am here in California :)12pm eastern in USA?
That's how I read it but would love some clarity. Now I'm assuming it's noon on Sunday in NYC.
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