[IC] Pulse SA - Round 3

[Shell058]

I know it might be going out on a limb... but is there a possibility the ErgoDox/ErgoPro kit could be done with icon mods instead of text mods?

I know Ergo caps with legends are difficult because everyone has their keys mapped differently, but I feel like the icons are artistic and abstract enough that it wouldn't matter how the keys were technically labeled because the presentation would be so good.

That aside, it's a great set and I'm in!

I second the icon Ergodox idea! I always see complaints about ergo text mods not matching customized layouts, and I think icons would solve that and also look fantastic.

[Fallakin]

Probably also going out on a limb....

Any chance for a 6.5u Spacebar for those of us using corsair keyboards? 

Signature Plastics does not have a mold for this Spacebar size.

 

[breusch91]

I LOVE those colors on the mito kit. Wish it was fully sculpted, might have to just use the different row 1 and 4 from the normal kit and see how it works out. That purple is beautiful

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[Vigrith]

IC forums - 35 replies in like an hour.

MD forums - like 10 replies outside of complaints and Mito's post in 48 hours, 1 in the last 24.

Oh boy would you look at the time

[denym_]

Oh well... Just ordered parts for my first custom mechanical and this pops up. Guess I need 2 keyboards...

Is it only the Mitolet that comes in the 2.3.3.3.3 option
or does the pulse also comes in 1.2.3.4.3 and 2.3.3.3.3.

[Oblotzky]

Oh well... Just ordered parts for my first custom mechanical and this pops up. Guess I need 2 keyboards...

Is it only the Mitolet that comes in the 2.3.3.3.3 option
or does the pulse also comes in 1.2.3.4.3 and 2.3.3.3.3.

Only Mitolet is currently going to be 223333

[jdcarpe]

I’m all about that sculpted SA, but after using my Filco sphericals for a while, I can definitely see the appeal of 2-2-3-3-3-3

[Fooblitzky]

All Zambloos for me please.

I'm in for Zambs, Text Mods, Hobbyist, Novelties, 7U Space, and Numpad. I hope that's all I need.

[sevenseacat]

IC forums - 35 replies in like an hour.

MD forums - like 10 replies outside of complaints and Mito's post in 48 hours, 1 in the last 24.

And on Reddit there was like 200 comments in a matter of hours.

[kmba]

I think the mono kit should be expanded to provide enough black keys to cover the whole top row on at least a 60%. This would entail minimal additions of a black esc, 1u backspace and 2u backspace. That way we could use zambs and modifiers with an all black top row

[peggisan]

Would it be possible to get 1 extra R3 key in the rams set? The rune symbols are pretty interchangeable but getting a extra R3 using a R2 symbol will make it work with Dvorak and Colemak without having to use duplicate keys.

[NovaLion]

Oh man, I'm so stoked. I've been trying to get this set for so long. Count me in for Alphas, Zambs, Rams, Text Mods, Numpad, Novelties, Arrows and the 7U Space. Maybe 2 sets each.

[mgsickler]

Nice! I knew you were running R3, but I never saw the IC thread.

Great work and I love the updates.


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[Oblotzky]

Nice! I knew you were running R3, but I never saw the IC thread.

Great work and I love the updates.


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If only there was a place where IC's could be posted in 

[jdcarpe]

Nice! I knew you were running R3, but I never saw the IC thread.

Great work and I love the updates.


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If only there was a place where IC's could be posted in 

Yes, if only...

[Vigrith]

Hey mods, surely you're monitoring the thread/section (if you're not then we have an even bigger problem), how about we actually start listening to community feedback, facing the facts and just revert things back to how they were? You can revisit this faux "solution" at a later stage once you actually make up your mind as for what you want to do with ICs and once other vendors actually get their threads moved to their sub-forums instead of ostracising Massdrop for no valid reason.

You had your experiment, maybe the timing just isn't right and it's okay to be wrong. I think we can all agree with the fact that if this were to be in the IC forum this would be at least 5 pages long by now and instead its gotten like 1 reply a day. Just let it go, all you're doing it retracting attention from Geekhack since everyone just goes to MD to discuss this instead.

We don't need a full month or however long to gather data to have definite proof that the literal only reason you wouldn't revert this change would be because you don't wanna give in and admit it's a ****ed up thing to do.

[tanvir175]

Hey mods, surely you're monitoring the thread/section (if you're not then we have an even bigger problem), how about we actually start listening to community feedback, facing the facts and just revert things back to how they were? You can revisit this faux "solution" at a later stage once you actually make up your mind as for what you want to do with ICs and once other vendors actually get their threads moved to their sub-forums instead of ostracising Massdrop for no valid reason.

You had your experiment, maybe the timing just isn't right and it's okay to be wrong. I think we can all agree with the fact that if this were to be in the IC forum this would be at least 5 pages long by now and instead its gotten like 1 reply a day. Just let it go, all you're doing it retracting attention from Geekhack since everyone just goes to MD to discuss this instead.

We don't need a full month or however long to gather data to have definite proof that the literal only reason you wouldn't revert this change would be because you don't wanna give in and admit it's a ****ed up thing to do.

It's just sad that they're continuing it at this point :\

[elfick]

Apologies for being off-topic, but what was the rationale for moving ICs. It seems pretty dumb to me. IC's, by their very nature, are vendor neutral. If an IC never goes to GB, how is there a vendor?
What if an IC expresses intent to run on MD but MD doesn't accept the IC and it ends up getting run somewhere else?
Really just an all-around bad decision.

[Parva Ovis]

Apologies for being off-topic, but what was the rationale for moving ICs. It seems pretty dumb to me. IC's, by their very nature, are vendor neutral. If an IC never goes to GB, how is there a vendor?
What if an IC expresses intent to run on MD but MD doesn't accept the IC and it ends up getting run somewhere else?
Really just an all-around bad decision.

https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=94455.0 is where the topic is being discussed.

[MiTo]

UPDATE #1 - Community Requests' Change log:

Tweaks:
• Added R1 1u \ | keycap to all Alpha kits (for HHKB layout compatibility);
• Removed the f-row from Zambs and added an inverted colorscheme F-Row kit;
• Swapped R1 1u PG DN from Text Hobbyist & Icon Hobbyist for R1 1u PG UP;
• Added R2 1u PG DN to Text Hobbyist & Icon Hobbyist kits;
• Added R4 1u SHIFT to Text Hobbyist & Icon Hobbyist kits;
• Added R1 1u PN to Exotic kit (Vortex Race compatibility);
• Added R4 1u SHIFT to Exotic kit;
• Added R1 1u ESC and R1 1u BKSP to Ortho kit;
• Added R3 1u CTRL and R3 1u ALT to Ortho kit;
• Added R4 1u SHIFT to Ortho kit;
• Added R1 1u "2 to Norde kit;
• Added a Mac kit;
• Added punctuation keycaps to Mono kit;
• Added Blanks kit;
• Expanded Mitolet kit towards winkeyless compatibility (7u bottom row, 1u REKT,  1u \ |);

Developing:
• Black modifier kits (Text Noire & Icon Noire);
• Novelties - studying inclusion of the old Round 1/2 pictograms.




Disclaimer:
Several other suggestions were considered and studied, some of them I even added. But when balancing things out, I decided not to include them, to make things affordable and more straight forward to everyone all things considered. Hope you understand!

Please keep suggestions coming, feedback is greatly appreciated and I will keep doing tweak runs per your requests.

Coming next:
I'll be fixing some keyboard renders and displaying more combinations this week (12th March ~ 19 March).

[chuckdee]

Really like the black modifier kits!

[Parva Ovis]

There are four modifier styles (Text Blue, Icon Blue, Text Noire, and Icon Noire), but only Text Blue has an R4 1.25u key; one in the UK kit and one in the Norde kit. I don't mind if it's a blank key or an icon key, but could a black R4 1.25u key be included somewhere? A lot of 40% keyboards use a R4 1.25u key and I want to be able to kit my Vortex Core out in properly sculpted Icon Noire, if possible. I've used R3 keys as stand-ins on my Core before and IMO it just doesn't look or feel right.

I do really love the Icon Noire look and hope to see a render of it with Rams alphas!

[MiTo]

Really like the black modifier kits!

Thank you very much for the feedback Chuck, I'm gonna be working on some visualizations for this combo coming next.

There are four modifier styles (Text Blue, Icon Blue, Text Noire, and Icon Noire), but only Text Blue has an R4 1.25u key; one in the UK kit and one in the Norde kit. I don't mind if it's a blank key or an icon key, but could a black R4 1.25u key be included somewhere? A lot of 40% keyboards use a R4 1.25u key and I want to be able to kit my Vortex Core out in properly sculpted Icon Noire, if possible. I've used R3 keys as stand-ins on my Core before and IMO it just doesn't look or feel right.

I do really love the Icon Noire look and hope to see a render of it with Rams alphas!

I see what you're talking about, the thing is that I had to restrict the international communities to the most fundamental/recognizable color scheme of the keycap set (cyan & black). So offering all combinations wasn't possible, it will only make everything more expensive. I gave it a try on Godspeed XDA and we sold over 7,400 kits but only four Lunar Norde Kits. Hope you understand. As for you request, there's a R3 1.25u black keycap on the Blanks kit, please verify and let me know if that works for you!

[kmba]

I don't quite understand the punctuation additions in the mono kit.   

[tanvir175]

I don't quite understand the punctuation additions in the mono kit.   

The point of the mono kit is to have a set that is completely mono-legend. Numrow has dual legends and so do the punctuation keys.

[Parva Ovis]

There are four modifier styles (Text Blue, Icon Blue, Text Noire, and Icon Noire), but only Text Blue has an R4 1.25u key; one in the UK kit and one in the Norde kit. I don't mind if it's a blank key or an icon key, but could a black R4 1.25u key be included somewhere? A lot of 40% keyboards use a R4 1.25u key and I want to be able to kit my Vortex Core out in properly sculpted Icon Noire, if possible. I've used R3 keys as stand-ins on my Core before and IMO it just doesn't look or feel right.

I do really love the Icon Noire look and hope to see a render of it with Rams alphas!

I see what you're talking about, the thing is that I had to restrict the international communities to the most fundamental/recognizable color scheme of the keycap set (cyan & black). So offering all combinations wasn't possible, it will only make everything more expensive. I gave it a try on Godspeed XDA and we sold over 7,400 kits but only four Lunar Norde Kits. Hope you understand. As for you request, there's a R3 1.25u black keycap on the Blanks kit, please verify and let me know if that works for you!

I get what you mean, but as a counterpoint, SA Oblivion had three modifier styles with two alpha colors and sold twice as many UK kits as XDA Godspeed with 1k fewer total orders. I don't think fully-maxed out kits is the best move, either, but there's a middle ground somewhere. As the kits stand right now, if someone wanted a Zambs UK ISO set, for example, they could hack it together with the current kits and just deal with the inaccurate legends while having the correct row/size/color, but the same is not possible for the black modifiers because there is literally no black 1.25u R4 or R2 key, regardless of legend. If I could, I would order a blank directly from SP, but they haven't been in stock for a while.

[Wetherbee]

Developing:
• Black modifier kits (Text Noire & Icon Noire);

This what I came here for, except it needs a Tsangan bottom row. Black mods and black alphas. Winkeyless pls (same complaint about Mitolet).

[euphxenos]

MiTo,

The Text Hobbyist kit still contains a 1U R4 PgUp that should be a PgDn.  The icon in the corresponding Icon Hobbyist key is a down icon.  This looks like simply a mistake in the Text Hobbyist kit.

[krey]

please make it happen!

[GreyAmbience]

Beautiful mito <3

[kmba]

I don't quite understand the punctuation additions in the mono kit.   

The point of the mono kit is to have a set that is completely mono-legend. Numrow has dual legends and so do the punctuation keys.

Oh, duh.

[salasource]

Black modifier kit could use one R4 1.25U SHIFT

[foxlive]

It look very nice with black modifier

[theknown]

In for some Rams

[crystalhand]

Looks absolutely awesome.  I will be placing an order. At least I will have a few months to love on the godspeed xda keycaps.

[Fallakin]

Well considering I bit the bullet and bought a Whitefox today, I'll have to get these now...  )

[ctzn_voyager]

Love these kits, I'll be in for most of them. Keep bringin the heat, MiTo

[avid]

Black uniform kits are great. Would you consider including Iso shift + Iso enter in black in some form? If not in that set, in the ISO uk kit.

[amnesia0287]

Developing:
• Black modifier kits (Text Noire & Icon Noire);

This what I came here for, except it needs a Tsangan bottom row. Black mods and black alphas. Winkeyless pls (same complaint about Mitolet).

+1

All my boards are 7u Tsangan style.

[pomk]

No ISO support for rams?

[Keebmeupscotty]

@mito Everything looks amazing and it is awesome to see how much feedback from the community you have incorporated into the sets already! I'm curious though, have you ever given a thought to doing like a roman numeral set to go along with Dieter Rams? I understand they might need molds made (doubt the normal I, V and Xs could be used), so they might not be for this set, but perhaps the next dye sub set you do with the rams as an option? I feel like I,II,III,IV,V,VI,VII,VIII,IX, and maybe just X even though it stands for 10 would work, no? I could see the VIII being difficult to fit on a 1u. Maybe making up something like IIX if it would fit. Anyway, I think they might go a lot better with the rams set than the monos. Just a thought, but awesome set either way and thanks for the upcoming chance to get a hold of them!

[pomk]

@mito Everything looks amazing and it is awesome to see how much feedback from the community you have incorporated into the sets already! I'm curious though, have you ever given a thought to doing like a roman numeral set to go along with Dieter Rams? I understand they might need molds made (doubt the normal I, V and Xs could be used), so they might not be for this set, but perhaps the next dye sub set you do with the rams as an option? I feel like I,II,III,IV,V,VI,VII,VIII,IX, and maybe just X even though it stands for 10 would work, no? I could see the VIII being difficult to fit on a 1u. Maybe making up something like IIX if it would fit. Anyway, I think they might go a lot better with the rams set than the monos. Just a thought, but awesome set either way and thanks for the upcoming chance to get a hold of them!

Nordic people did not like writing numbers down, but when they did they definitely did not use roman numbers for it. http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-dftS6agMeLY/Uv1R45sHkZI/AAAAAAAABgE/jW_c5oCSjEk/s1600/Runic-Numerals-Ed.jpg
Keep it as it is, or at least make up something remotely accurate instead of mixing different ’old’ notations without thought.

[Hammer]

Mitolet looks sick! Gonna have to save up for this one...

Mitolet looks sick! Gonna have to save up for this one...

R.I.P

[Keebmeupscotty]

@mito Everything looks amazing and it is awesome to see how much feedback from the community you have incorporated into the sets already! I'm curious though, have you ever given a thought to doing like a roman numeral set to go along with Dieter Rams? I understand they might need molds made (doubt the normal I, V and Xs could be used), so they might not be for this set, but perhaps the next dye sub set you do with the rams as an option? I feel like I,II,III,IV,V,VI,VII,VIII,IX, and maybe just X even though it stands for 10 would work, no? I could see the VIII being difficult to fit on a 1u. Maybe making up something like IIX if it would fit. Anyway, I think they might go a lot better with the rams set than the monos. Just a thought, but awesome set either way and thanks for the upcoming chance to get a hold of them!

Nordic people did not like writing numbers down, but when they did they definitely did not use roman numbers for it. http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-dftS6agMeLY/Uv1R45sHkZI/AAAAAAAABgE/jW_c5oCSjEk/s1600/Runic-Numerals-Ed.jpg
Keep it as it is, or at least make up something remotely accurate instead of mixing different ’old’ notations without thought.

Point taken. However, my statement wasn't thoughtless. I respect your dedication to the integrity of the runes' historical uses, but my thought was completely based on aesthetics. I feel the straight lines of roman numerals might go better with the runes. Seeing as how the Rams set was created as a "novelty add-on that celebrates the GOAT of industrial design school and his contribution to modern society," I don't think the point was to be historically accurate, but to make a set with a bit of history to it that uses simplicity to please the eye as an homage to Dieter Rams.

[Parva Ovis]

@mito Everything looks amazing and it is awesome to see how much feedback from the community you have incorporated into the sets already! I'm curious though, have you ever given a thought to doing like a roman numeral set to go along with Dieter Rams? I understand they might need molds made (doubt the normal I, V and Xs could be used), so they might not be for this set, but perhaps the next dye sub set you do with the rams as an option? I feel like I,II,III,IV,V,VI,VII,VIII,IX, and maybe just X even though it stands for 10 would work, no? I could see the VIII being difficult to fit on a 1u. Maybe making up something like IIX if it would fit. Anyway, I think they might go a lot better with the rams set than the monos. Just a thought, but awesome set either way and thanks for the upcoming chance to get a hold of them!

Nordic people did not like writing numbers down, but when they did they definitely did not use roman numbers for it. http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-dftS6agMeLY/Uv1R45sHkZI/AAAAAAAABgE/jW_c5oCSjEk/s1600/Runic-Numerals-Ed.jpg
Keep it as it is, or at least make up something remotely accurate instead of mixing different ’old’ notations without thought.

Point taken. However, my statement wasn't thoughtless. I respect your dedication to the integrity of the runes' historical uses, but my thought was completely based on aesthetics. I feel the straight lines of roman numerals might go better with the runes. Seeing as how the Rams set was created as a "novelty add-on that celebrates the GOAT of industrial design school and his contribution to modern society," I don't think the point was to be historically accurate, but to make a set with a bit of history to it as an homage to Dieter Rams, that pleases the eye.

The Pentimal system symbols would be more fitting, I think.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pentimal_system

[prelude46]

I'd love to see some renders of the Zambs with the Noire Mods/Icons 

[pomk]

@mito Everything looks amazing and it is awesome to see how much feedback from the community you have incorporated into the sets already! I'm curious though, have you ever given a thought to doing like a roman numeral set to go along with Dieter Rams? I understand they might need molds made (doubt the normal I, V and Xs could be used), so they might not be for this set, but perhaps the next dye sub set you do with the rams as an option? I feel like I,II,III,IV,V,VI,VII,VIII,IX, and maybe just X even though it stands for 10 would work, no? I could see the VIII being difficult to fit on a 1u. Maybe making up something like IIX if it would fit. Anyway, I think they might go a lot better with the rams set than the monos. Just a thought, but awesome set either way and thanks for the upcoming chance to get a hold of them!

Nordic people did not like writing numbers down, but when they did they definitely did not use roman numbers for it. http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-dftS6agMeLY/Uv1R45sHkZI/AAAAAAAABgE/jW_c5oCSjEk/s1600/Runic-Numerals-Ed.jpg
Keep it as it is, or at least make up something remotely accurate instead of mixing different ’old’ notations without thought.

Point taken. However, my statement wasn't thoughtless. I respect your dedication to the integrity of the runes' historical uses, but my thought was completely based on aesthetics. I feel the straight lines of roman numerals might go better with the runes. Seeing as how the Rams set was created as a "novelty add-on that celebrates the GOAT of industrial design school and his contribution to modern society," I don't think the point was to be historically accurate, but to make a set with a bit of history to it that uses simplicity to please the eye as an homage to Dieter Rams.

Fair enough. I just don't like the look of combining a font without serif's to another one with them and roman numerals look awkward when done with a font without serif's. The nordic runes would look very strange if someone added serif's to them  .

[nathanchere]

Like you even need to 'Interest Check' anything Mito... just build it and they will come 

[Vigrith]

The noir kits are fantastic and I'm sure many will appreciate them - there are many fans of uniform mod/alpha colour sets out there, glad to see it happen here.

[ullr]

My gripe with the runes kit is that I don’t like how it stretches the elder futhark to 26 characters, by just doubling Kaunan and Wunjō.

There are a lot of other options, such as

• Glyph variants employed in the Elder Futhark: ᛝ, ᚻ, ᛊ (epsilonoid shape) (I think these are best)
• Anglo‐Saxon runes: ᛥ, ᚸ
• Runic punctuation: ᛫, ᛬
• Simple bind runes

Also the the characters themselves seem to vary in size a lot compared to extant inscriptions — some (ᛜ, ᛞ, ᚲ) are a lot bigger than most sources make them and some (ᚦ, ᚹ, ᛒ) are relatively tiny

However, I do love the idea of a rune kit and I think this may be my first time joining a Pulse GB because of it.