[IC] GMK WOB NORDEUK++ R2 - ( Awaiting quotes )

[RETURNISO]

GMK WOB NORDEUK++ R2

Dear Geekhackers,

First, i want to to say thank you to all of you who supported the journey of round 1 and have shown interest in a R2. Thank you!

This is a tough kit, but a needed kit! With the current growth in the community. Even in ISO Land, i seen and gotten enough request to try to rerun the kit.
We cant let our fellow ISO users denied a option to use the goodies caps of GMK, in White On Black with a correct regional language ISO layout.
There are a few updates and proposes to each kit. Check them out and vote for your favorite WoB NORDEUK++ kit.





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Updates
30.11.20 - Awaiting quotes
31.08.20 - Added a comparison between CP & WS1 in regards to ThinkCaps
24.08.20 - Corrected some KLE errors, added ISL support & proposal of a separate UK kit View post here
15.08.20 - Some updates and kit propose View post here
10.08.20 - Forgot to add the GMK color codes to the IC and updated with compatible base sets.
09.08.20 - IC launched.




KIT PROPOSES

My goal with these kit proposes are to bring it to you as cheap as possible.
There are a few updates and proposes to each kit that could keep the individual user cost down.

Changes and updates from R1:
- "Alt Graph" will be introduced on the 1.5u modifier
- Added 1u "Alt Gr" to some of the kits

Notes:
There can be some layout/render mistakes.  "Alt Graph" is showcased on The 1.25u.
This was a early idea, that i am not sure is applicable.


KIT A
NorDeUK Barebones

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Supports: United Kingdom, Norway, Sweden, Finland, Denmark, Germany

The Barebones kit is the minimum of keys required to fill a supported language layout.
Some of the keys can miss some symbols, but can be reused in every layout.

Total keys: 43
 
Price: Unknown, but target price is obsessively the cheapest it can be with minimum support.

Notes
 - The R1 2 Key with  " and "@" can be removed to. Bringing it down to 42 keys.
 - No Alt Graph / Alt Gr modifiers.

KIT B
NorDeUK

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Supports: United Kingdom, Norway, Sweden, Finland, Denmark, Germany

The more "normal" NorDeUK kit with standard support. As seen in most GB's

Total keys:  51

Price: Unknown, but expected to be "okey" not too steep.

KIT C
NORDEUK++

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Supports: United Kingdom, Norway, Sweden, Finland, Denmark, Germany,  Faeroe Islands. Portugal

The kit as seen in R1.

Total keys:  61
 
Price: R1 was 57 USD / 60€

Notes:
 - Added the 1u "Alt Gr" Modifier. Not in R1.

KIT D
NORDEUK+ ( Minus FO support )

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Supports: United Kingdom, Norway, Sweden, Finland, Denmark, Germany,  Faeroe Islands. Portugal

The R1 kit, with removed FO support ( Faeroe Islands ) 1 key.

Total keys:  60
 
Price: Price: I am not sure how much this will effect the price

Notes:
 - Added the 1u "Alt Gr" Modifier. Not in R1

KIT E
NorDeUK Bruh kit

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Supports: United Kingdom, Norway, Sweden, Finland, Denmark, Germany

This is a idea for bringing the kit cost down when you share the kit with other members. This kit format will allow the kit to be split up in three ways.
The UK support can be split from the kit and further two Scandinavian countries can use the kit without breaking it.

Total keys:  67
 
Price: Unknown, i hope it would not be much more then the R1 price since its 6 more keys then the original kit.

Notes:
- Missing a "Å" key from the kit render
- No 1u "Alt Gr" Modifier.

KIT F
NORDEUK++ Bruh kit

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Supports: United Kingdom, Norway, Sweden, Finland, Denmark, Germany, Portugal.

This is a idea for bringing the kit cost down when you share the kit with other members. This kit format will allow the kit to be split up in three ways.
The UK support can be split from the kit and further two Scandinavian countries can use the kit without breaking it.

Total keys:  75
 
Price: Price: Unknown, 14 keys more then the original kit. 8 more keys then kit E

Notes:
- Missing a "Å" key from the kit render
- No 1u "Alt Gr" Modifier.

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MORE INFO


Colors

These are the modern GMK stock color for WoB. WS1 on CR.

Compatibility

This kit has compatibility for the following WoB sets:

Drop.com WoB Base set

originativeco.com - originative WoB ( OOS )

candykeys.com - WoB ISO-DE

Timeline

ASAP. Once i received a good amount of form submissions, we can continue to GB phase.

Vendor

EU - mykeyboard.eu
US - ?
ASIA - ?
? - ?

If you are in need of a US proxy or a Asian proxy, please let me know in the comments.
I'll try to work something out.

Pricing

Pricing is TBA until we have the final kit vote in. The R1 price for the NORDEUK++ kit was 57 USD / 60€.
As the prior GB, this GB will also be non profit to keep the price down and love for ISO layouts high 

BoW

NorDeUK BoW is running NOW alongside GMK Minimal 2 by Janglad.
Check out the thread here

Credits

Board renders by Janglad
Kit renders by Snurrebassen
Eyed by Miguel Farah, Thank you mate! sorry no Ñ yet..
Big thanks to Mykeyboard.eu for wanna run this again!





DOLCH NORDEUK++

Yes you saw correct in the form!

Alot of request from the old GB form was a dolch version of NORDEUK++

Check the Dolch Row 5 round By LightningXI.

This would be a good time to pick a new base set up, or use your old!
Its epic, bc the good Lightning updated the base with the original red ISO enter and have row 5




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[Pejano]

Yes! Thank you! I'm a UK user so if anyone wants to split let me know

[RETURNISO]

Welcome mate,
I hope we somehow can make WoB international kits more available and float around with the possibility of splitting them up for the majority of EU ISO users, both new and old

[Prelim]

IC filled!

Lets bring Dolch Nordeuk++ alive

[Poesjuh]

Perhaps not my place to comment since I’m a boring ansi user. But as someone that loves Angery Alt, the Alt Graph written out makes no sense to me. Especially on the 1.25u, it will be the only key on the bottom row that has two lines. Feels completely out of place to me.


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[leifsi]

Pleas split the kit in two so that there is a north and south kit like the KAT sets. That way you can support way more lands. None of the sets support Icrlandic which is the only way I would buy a set.

[alxbrn]

Its happening!

I can't wait for this set to run.

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[RETURNISO]

IC filled!

Lets bring Dolch Nordeuk++ alive

Obrigado sim vamos!

[RETURNISO]

Perhaps not my place to comment since I’m a boring ansi user. But as someone that loves Angery Alt, the Alt Graph written out makes no sense to me. Especially on the 1.25u, it will be the only key on the bottom row that has two lines. Feels completely out of place to me.


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The layouts is early drafts and the 125u "Alt Graph" its not gonna be on the 1.25u mod because it cant be on a single line without a line break. So if you where thinking about converting, you will have a 1.25u Angry Alt 

[RETURNISO]

Its happening!

I can't wait for this set to run.

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[RETURNISO]

Pleas split the kit in two so that there is a north and south kit like the KAT sets. That way you can support way more lands. None of the sets support Icrlandic which is the only way I would buy a set.

I tried propose a AZERTY kit in the R1 IC. These kits are not comparable to KAT and how Keyreative does MOQ, Compared to GMK.

The only problem with a AZERTY kit is has around 40 keys for 2 countries, find me 50 AZERTY users and ill bring the kit in the IC



Edit. Oh missed the Iceland part

When talking about north and south i thought you meant Europa and not splitting "Scandinavia"
I have 1 guy in the IC form from last time who was from Iceland. 1 person. Give me 20 Icelandic petitions and ill add the 5-6 more keys to the ++ kit 

[ggggggg]

I'm all about this. Bruh kits seem like such a good move: I don't think it'd be difficult to find someone in a neighbouring country to split with and amortize the higher initial cost of the kit.

[RETURNISO]

I'm all about this. Bruh kits seem like such a good move: I don't think it'd be difficult to find someone in a neighbouring country to split with and amortize the higher initial cost of the kit.

haha GG, elsker jeg for din første comment

Yes, I hope with a idea like this, we could overcome the hick-up of deciding to go full ISO. I have aleast 100+ caps here in a bag, that nobody besides "me" can use. Which is kind of silly.
Adding 20 more keys to that bag, and 5-6 more people can use it and I can buy pizza's for 3 weekends in a roll for "free". Who doesn't like pizza haha!

[juusu]

So, since GMK Yugo is going to get made, GMK should now have molds to support ex-YU layouts as well (ČĆĐŠŽ)... any chance of adding supports for those layouts as well?

[RETURNISO]

So, since GMK Yugo is going to get made, GMK should now have molds to support ex-YU layouts as well (ČĆĐŠŽ)... any chance of adding supports for those layouts as well?

That is true! We could try to play with that

Could you post the layout highlighted with the keys not in the ++ kit? and I'll take a look 

[juusu]

Ok, here goes, the so called "south slavic" layout:

• minimal support would be the 5 keys on the right (orange)
• two additional keys are missing in row 1 (the umlaut key (top-left) and the */+ (top right),
• four keys would have incorrect tertiary legends (7-8-9-0 - circled in green, I don't see variants without tertiary legends in the ++ kit, but I bet most people wouldn't mind having incorrect tertiary legends
• a  bunch of other keys wouldh have tertiary legends missing, but even Yugo didn't have tertiary legends, so I'd say that's safe to ignore

EDIT: Just noticed that Đ is already in the ++ kit (for Icelancic, I suppose) - so that's one less missing key.

[RETURNISO]

Ok, here goes, the so called "south slavic" layout:

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• minimal support would be the 5 keys on the right (orange)
• two additional keys are missing in row 1 (the umlaut key (top-left) and the */+ (top right),
• four keys would have incorrect tertiary legends (7-8-9-0 - circled in green, I don't see variants without tertiary legends in the ++ kit, but I bet most people wouldn't mind having incorrect tertiary legends
• a  bunch of other keys wouldh have tertiary legends missing, but even Yugo didn't have tertiary legends, so I'd say that's safe to ignore

EDIT: Just noticed that Đ is already in the ++ kit (for Icelancic, I suppose) - so that's one less missing key.

Nice, I'll look into it a little later and get back  :thumb:

[xmaviik]

Will there be a version for the Minimal 2? Or only for the BoW?
That would be sweet since the buy is running will run and currently is hard to find the WoB anywhere :/

Best Regards

[alxbrn]

Will there be a version for the Minimal 2? Or only for the BoW?
That would be sweet since the buy is running will run and currently is hard to find the WoB anywhere :/

Best Regards

This is IC for wob norde.

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[beigeandbrown]

Will there be a version for the Minimal 2? Or only for the BoW?
That would be sweet since the buy is running will run and currently is hard to find the WoB anywhere :/

Best Regards

Someone should really do a drop international service, they're running wob, just got mine in the mail but of course drop is usa only and this is a european kit.

[RETURNISO]

Big thanks to all of you who filled out the form and voted already

A little first update..

As the current vote's are favor for KIT B NorDeUK ( Standard Norde kit )



And seeing where the form submissions are from:



With some of the feedback that i gotten in the form, I wanna explain the "Bruh" kit setup further and now even include more countries
End price from GMK will off course determinant the most logical kit that will be offered in the GB. That's why the 3 way split kit option.
I know it can be a "little project" to redistribute the keys. But we also have a MOQ to think about. Getting 100 people from 6 Scandinavian countries is gonna be hard.
The current GMK price format makes it fairly expensive to invest in a full set with specific country support and as a result we seen Nordeuk kits having a tough time getting to MOQ.

The NorDeUK. KIT B will properly have a price between 50-60€. VS KIT G which have 85 keys.
That's 35 more keys then KIT B NorDeUK, and could be price between 70-100€. Split up in three, that's "only" 25-33€ pr kit as an example.
Further, the option to support more fellow ISO users with 10 fully supported countries in the new KIT G only helps make the journey towards hitting that MOQ more realistic. 

KIT B

Pros
- Medium priced.

Cons
- Only supports 6 countries
- medium high single user kit price.
- Chances of not hitting MOQ
- UK support is the only keys that can be split up.

KIT G

Pros
- 20-40€ pr kit ( estimate after redistributing )
- More country supported. ( This helps significant towards hitting MOQ and actually getting the kit made. )
- More country supported. ( Give you more options to who you can share the keys with )

Cons
- High single user price if not shared.
- Redistributing of the keys.
- New languages ( seeing YUGO come to life i think there is a good chance the South Slavic support could help getting the kit closer to MOQ. )





Last up Dolch Nordeuk.

Current votes are:



I hope we can get some more votes in and hopefully (imo) bring a nordeuk dolch kit to GB together with WoB.


Last, please let me know if i missed something, legends etc, pros and cons of KIT G

Have a great weekend

[juusu]

Great to see you're seriously considering south slavic support for this, I'm 100% in if it gets made...

One note, the proposed G kit is now missing the R2 Đ key for proper support (I guess it's the removed key for FO support, I mistakenly thought it was Icelandic).

EDIT: looking at the proposed kit again, i think it might be a font/encoding issue - because i see this key which is not used in any variation of the layout:



This is what the character is supposed to look like:

[RETURNISO]

Great to see you're seriously considering south slavic support for this, I'm 100% in if it gets made...

One note, the proposed G kit is now missing the R2 Đ key for proper support (I guess it's the removed key for FO support, I mistakenly thought it was Icelandic).

EDIT: looking at the proposed kit again, i think it might be a font/encoding issue - because i see this key which is not used in any variation of the layout:

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This is what the character is supposed to look like:

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Yes, that's a error should be the Đ key. I am little legend blind atm after trying to sort the languages out

Added support back for FO, since the key is used in Slavic as well

And yes please do share the kit and see if its possible, we really need all the help from the individual mech language communities
Also the R1 ", i am missing a symbol for Slavic, could you post it for me? i cant find it haha

[juusu]

And yes please do share the kit and see if its possible, we really need all the help from the individual mech language communities

Will try to share it in a few places, hope it gathers some interest

Also the R1 ", i am missing a symbol for Slavic, could you post it for me? i cant find it haha

it's a cedilla (¸)

[zxer]

My understanding is UK ISO needs a key with backslash and pipe located in row 4 after the left shift key.
I’m only seeing this key in kit C, but listed in row 1?

The BOW kit at Candykeys doesn’t have this key, which makes kit C the only option for a complete UK set. Or am I missing something?

[tul]

add spanish support please!

[audiosl4ve]

+1 for Slavic support. Keep up the good work!

[keyberzerker]

+10000 for Slavic support

[Pejano]

My understanding is UK ISO needs a key with backslash and pipe located in row 4 after the left shift key.
I’m only seeing this key in kit C, but listed in row 1?

The BOW kit at Candykeys doesn’t have this key, which makes kit C the only option for a complete UK set. Or am I missing something?

It's not even in Kit C unless I'm missing something? Or the images have been updated?

Can't believe I missed this myself as a UK user.. I'm sure it was there at one point?!

[zxer]

It’s the first key in kit c row 1.
It would be used in row 4 though in uk iso.
Perhaps this key needs added to all the other kits @returniso ?

[Nascent]

Great work adding ISO compatibility to those WoB sets. +1 to adding Spanish layout support

[andtar2]

My understanding is UK ISO needs a key with backslash and pipe located in row 4 after the left shift key.
I’m only seeing this key in kit C, but listed in row 1?

The BOW kit at Candykeys doesn’t have this key, which makes kit C the only option for a complete UK set. Or am I missing something?

It's not even in Kit C unless I'm missing something? Or the images have been updated?

Can't believe I missed this myself as a UK user.. I'm sure it was there at one point?!

R4 "| \" is also ISO-US key and it is in a base-kit sold by Drop (also in Originativeco variant, but that is sold out right now). WOB kit sold by Candykeys is ISO-DE only and you would be missing more keys there to make it ISO-UK, like R2 "Y" and R4 "Z"

[Pejano]

Thanks for pointing this out! I'm planning to pair this with GMK ThinkCaps and that doesn't have an R4 backslash\pipe so it's quite a deal breaker for me now (I use those characters a lot in code).

[andtar2]

Thanks for pointing this out! I'm planning to pair this with GMK ThinkCaps and that doesn't have an R4 backslash\pipe so it's quite a deal breaker for me now (I use those characters a lot in code).

I think there is something different/wrong(?) in the GMK ThinkCaps base, what I have seen if there is ISO-enter in base then there is also R4 "| \", but they have R4 "< >" in base instead. I dont know why it is like this, maybe someone could check/ask.

[Pejano]

Yeah I wondered that too but apparently it's ISO-US. It's explained somewhere in the thread. Didn't know that was a layout!

[zxer]

Thanks for pointing out the Y and Z andtar2.
So this makes the candykeys iso-de set a no go if trying to achieve a full iso-uk set with this GB.
The candykeys one is the only one in stock though.
Would it be possible to add the missing keys as an option?

[ggggggg]

Thanks for pointing out the Y and Z andtar2.
So this makes the candykeys iso-de set a no go if trying to achieve a full iso-uk set with this GB.
The candykeys one is the only one in stock though. [...]

You can get this spring's drop run from Amazon as well

[Rallade]

Support for swiss layout is almost there! Just need a few extras! Please!

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[distel]

Hey,

may I suggest to offer an "WoB Minimal modkit" as well as?
Modifiers in the text style of GMK Minimal in WoB?


To illustrate I tooked the GMK Minimal render and inverted the colors and removed all I would not add to the kit.
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[honoka]

Hey,

may I suggest to offer an "WoB Minimal modkit" as well as?
Modifiers in the text style of GMK Minimal in WoB?


To illustrate I tooked the GMK Minimal render and inverted the colors and removed all I would not add to the kit.
(Attachment Link)

Thats a completely different product my dude.
They call it 'minimal' but text mods are an eyesore 

[DJSwayde]

Hey,

may I suggest to offer an "WoB Minimal modkit" as well as?
Modifiers in the text style of GMK Minimal in WoB?


To illustrate I tooked the GMK Minimal render and inverted the colors and removed all I would not add to the kit.
(Attachment Link)

Dear god no

[RETURNISO]

Hi good gents, i am away this week, gonna check everything regarding the UK keys etc when i am back home this weekend, dw uk lads

This is IC for WOB nordeuk++ and + . NO icon mods, NO Bow. 

Hang tight, i do love all the language request 

[konstantin]

All of the proposed kits will need to include R4 \| as well, for ISO-UK support. Not all base kits include this key.

And yes please do share the kit and see if its possible, we really need all the help from the individual mech language communities
Also the R1 ", i am missing a symbol for Slavic, could you post it for me? i cant find it haha

Thanks for considering South Slavic layouts The key in question is ¸̈. That's a cedilla (U+00B8) on the bottom and a diaeresis (U+00A8) on the top. Here is a reference KLE for the layout. All legend molds exist.

You can add Serbia (RS) and Slovenia (SI) to the list of supported languages, as we also use this layout.

[RETURNISO]

All of the proposed kits will need to include R4 \| as well, for ISO-UK support. Not all base kits include this key.

I am not to sure about this, its no problem adding it, but are we gonna see a non WoB Drop.com set? The key is in both The OCO base and the Massdrop Base set.

Thanks for considering South Slavic layouts The key in question is ¸̈. That's a cedilla (U+00B8) on the bottom and a diaeresis (U+00A8) on the top. Here is a reference KLE for the layout. All legend molds exist.

You can add Serbia (RS) and Slovenia (SI) to the list of supported languages, as we also use this layout.

Thanks Konstantin, super cool 

[konstantin]

I am not to sure about this, its no problem adding it, but are we gonna see a non WoB Drop.com set? The key is in both The OCO base and the Massdrop Base set.

Ah, but what about ThinkCaps? And other potential future sets with WoB alphas. It's good to make the kit future-proof. One key is a small price to pay for completeness, imo.

Thanks Konstantin, super cool 

[ggggggg]

I am not to sure about this, its no problem adding it, but are we gonna see a non WoB Drop.com set? The key is in both The OCO base and the Massdrop Base set.

Ah, but what about ThinkCaps? And other potential future sets with WoB alphas. It's good to make the kit future-proof. One key is a small price to pay for completeness, imo.

ThinkCaps uses CP legends on CR, and White on Black uses WS1 legends on CR. Sorry to burst your bubble : (

[Pejano]

ThinkCaps uses CP legends on CR, and White on Black uses WS1 legends on CR. Sorry to burst your bubble : (

Ah, didn't know that. However don't think my eyes could distinguish anyway I still maintain it's a deal breaker for UK users though.

[marshskitow]

The only problem with a AZERTY kit is has around 40 keys for 2 countries, find me 50 AZERTY users and ill bring the kit in the IC

+1! I’m from switzerland but i’ll never see gmk kit for me so i would use French kit.

I know you can have 50 customers sonce it’s belgium and France.


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[RETURNISO]

Ah, but what about ThinkCaps? And other potential future sets with WoB alphas. It's good to make the kit future-proof. One key is a small price to pay for completeness, imo.

Totally agree, there shall be no sacrifices in support for a correct language layout.

Ill add it in the next update and hope NORDEUK++ lives on for multiple years to come

With ThinkCaps, i know its close.. I personally spammed voodoo's IC, begging for a norde kit haha. Its just having the color stock caps in front of me. It will pop out if you mix legends in CP with WS1, imo

I hope the ThinkCaps nordeuk kit makes it to the GB, its close yes, I'll buy it yes. I'll now have two wob sets that's not identical, YES

[RETURNISO]

The only problem with a AZERTY kit is has around 40 keys for 2 countries, find me 50 AZERTY users and ill bring the kit in the IC

+1! I’m from switzerland but i’ll never see gmk kit for me so i would use French kit.

I know you can have 50 customers sonce it’s belgium and France.


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The Mykeyboard.eu team is in belgium as well. We could try it if Sir Necro is up for it. Ill ask 

[konstantin]

ThinkCaps uses CP legends on CR, and White on Black uses WS1 legends on CR. Sorry to burst your bubble : (

I overlooked the fact that ThinkCaps uses CP, thanks for pointing that out.

With ThinkCaps, i know its close.. I personally spammed voodoo's IC, begging for a norde kit haha. Its just having the color stock caps in front of me. It will pop out if you mix legends in CP with WS1, imo

Yeah, I think it will be noticeable if you stare at it, but it's probably still worth it to include that key.

[RETURNISO]

Yeah, I think it will be noticeable if you stare at it, but it's probably still worth it to include that key.

Yes, added it.

a couple of keys is properly fine and not too disturbing on the naked eye, but if anyone else here is planing to match this kit with ThinkCaps.
There will be a noticeable difference if you have a full language mixed with the ThinkCaps base. But it will be functional. 

The best is to GO vote for the norde kit, A standard nordeuk kit is up for vote in the thread

ThinkCaps IC thread

[RETURNISO]

I updated the KLE with the last missing keys.

A idea and proposal aswell could be running the UK keys as a separate kit? What do you think good lads?
Maybe we could see a price between 25-40€ for that ( guessing here ) Then the main big kit is under 80 keys, and still can be split two ways with more support.

Added support for Iceland.
Added R5 Support

[VXQN]

Separate UK kit would be great! Would probably order 2 like I'm planning to with GMK Spacekeys.

[konstantin]

I updated the KLE with the last missing keys.

Added support for Iceland.
Added R5 Support

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There seems to be a lot of duplicate keys in that kit image. I'm assuming it's unintenderoni?

[soer9459]

I honestly think you should stick to the R1 kit.
If you look at the votes, most people are either from UK, Scandinavia or Portugal, and people would probably rather pay a little more for a complete NordeUK++ kit, than having to buy an expensive kit that needs to be split up. Besides, not everyone will be able to find someone to split with, and would have to either eat the extra cost, or post on the aftermarket, and wait for someone to bite.

I think it's a good idea, but in practice I wonder if it's worth it

It seems that most people are from Scandinavia, UK and Portugal. Can we maybe get another update on the vote?

[ideus]

Truth be told, most people need 19 or fewer keycaps to cover a particular layout. Paying for many more would be hard to swallow.

[Prelim]

I think we should stick with the Nordeuk++ classic kit (type C, as this discussion was already made in the previous GB) or re-struture the ++ in order to acommodate more languages and make a larger kit. Price-wise, the more the caps, the better cost of the kit per cap.

As ISO user and in order to allow more languages, I don't mind to pay for a larger kit. And due to the lack of foreign cap support, I think all the ISO fellows feel the same about this. The heart of Nordeuk++ GBs was all along this common effort for all the countries involved, not something you would buy only to cover your own interest caps and try to reduce it into a few caps kit. 

[dorf]

I think we should stick with the Nordeuk++ classic kit (type C, as this discussion was already made in the previous GB) or re-struture the ++ in order to acommodate more languages and make a larger kit. Price-wise, the more the caps, the better cost of the kit per cap.

As ISO user and in order to allow more languages, I don't mind to pay for a larger kit. And due to the lack of foreign cap support, I think all the ISO fellows feel the same about this. The heart of Nordeuk++ GBs was all along this common effort for all the countries involved, not something you would buy only to cover your own interest caps and try to reduce it into a few caps kit. 

+1

[RETURNISO]

Thanks for the feedback guys,

I know the kit is a little confusing, remember that it has potential to be split in 2 full layouts and between users from:
( BA, HR, RS, SI ) - ( PT ) - ( ISL, NO, SE, FL, DK, FO ) - ( DE ) + a option more to split it within Scandinavia, with one user choosing a cleaner numrow  

We need to include more country support and try something new if we are going to get this to a decent MOQ.

I am gonna let Iceland hang a bit in the kit G. If theres not to much more country submissions from iceland ill just remove it completely.
Votes are coming in.  much faster then last run  That's already good news 

In the meantime ill try to get some quotes on some of the proposed kits


 

[ggggggg]

I honestly think you should stick to the R1 kit.
If you look at the votes, most people are either from UK, Scandinavia or Portugal, and people would probably rather pay a little more for a complete NordeUK++ kit, than having to buy an expensive kit that needs to be split up. Besides, not everyone will be able to find someone to split with, and would have to either eat the extra cost, or post on the aftermarket, and wait for someone to bite.

I think it's a good idea, but in practice I wonder if it's worth it

It seems that most people are from Scandinavia, UK and Portugal. Can we maybe get another update on the vote?

Et tu, Soer? Yes, the up-front investment is higher and yes, breaking up the kit is more work for the buyer but the beauty of the splittable kit G isn't that it's convenient. It's that it totally subverts GMK's current MOQ model (which arguably stifles innovation), affords the buyers to connect to other like-minded people outside of their local Discord bubble, and reach out to neglected, smaller communities.

Personally, I see myself struggling with wanting to needlessly preserve the integrity of collections of stuff that I buy. So even though I'm not likely to use a minila space bar I don't want to split a kit because I mIghT NEeD iT soMEDaY. I realise this is stupid, so taking part in NORDEUK+++ is also an exercise in letting things go, in working against a tendency to hoard small rectangles.

Consider the big kit, everyone!

[soer9459]

Well, the problem lies in the fact, that if say 95% of people buying the kits are from scandinavia / UK, then how are we supposed to all unload keycaps specific to layouts with a tiny audience.

I don't know how the numbers work out, and I'll end of buying the kit regardless of the cost, but I think that the far majority of buyers will end up needlessly buying even more keys that they won't use. My point is that we should be careful to add support for layouts with little to no audience. I know that sucks for those people, but I think it's unreasonable, and would probably keep some buyers from purchasing the kit.

The last run of NordeUK++ was like 1.5 years ago. Maybe we should support the layouts that have major interest now, and wait for the community to grow further (in other countries as well). Then when a potential R3 comes along, we can start looking at the numbers again for which layouts are demanded.

Just my 2 cents 

[Pejano]

With ThinkCaps, i know its close.. I personally spammed voodoo's IC, begging for a norde kit haha. Its just having the color stock caps in front of me. It will pop out if you mix legends in CP with WS1, imo

Are you able to post a photo with CP/CR vs. WS1/CR please?

[Prelim]

Are you able to post a photo with CP/CR vs. WS1/CR please?

check here: https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=99984.msg2836013#msg2836013

[ideus]

With ThinkCaps, i know its close.. I personally spammed voodoo's IC, begging for a norde kit haha. Its just having the color stock caps in front of me. It will pop out if you mix legends in CP with WS1, imo

Are you able to post a photo with CP/CR vs. WS1/CR please?

Alphas are OG Cherry - very worn off - with CP legends and symbols are brand new caps with WS1. I got these nice caps from Mr. ReturnISO's GB.

[ideus]

Here is another better picture for you to compare WS1 and CP legends.

[soer9459]

Any chance we could get an update on the voting?

Thanks 

[konstantin]

Here is another better picture for you to compare WS1 and CP legends.

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I can't really tell which is which, the main difference I see is new keys vs old shiny keys

[RETURNISO]

I think the reason the accent kit is WS1 in ThinkCaps is to stand out from the rest of the legends

Here is a few potatoes. In indirect low light for a better reference 



Mobile:




imho, if you mix them across a board with WS1 replacement keys, it's properly gonna stand out a bit as its more random with the key placement.

[RETURNISO]

With ThinkCaps, i know its close.. I personally spammed voodoo's IC, begging for a norde kit haha. Its just having the color stock caps in front of me. It will pop out if you mix legends in CP with WS1, imo

Are you able to post a photo with CP/CR vs. WS1/CR please?

Show Image

Alphas are OG Cherry - very worn off - with CP legends and symbols are brand new caps with WS1. I got these nice caps from Mr. ReturnISO's GB.

Sweeet u did it :thumb:, Now i need to figure out how to do one aswell ^-^

[ideus]

Here is another better picture for you to compare WS1 and CP legends.

Show Image

I can't really tell which is which, the main difference I see is new keys vs old shiny keys

Show Image

Right. Legends are too thin to reveal the slight difference between WS1 and CP.

[konstantin]

I think the reason the accent kit is WS1 in ThinkCaps is to stand out from the rest of the legends

I think it's actually so that it can be mixed with other sets (e.g. WoB). I don't think the ThinkCaps accent kit is meant to be used with ThinkCaps itself.

[RETURNISO]

I think the reason the accent kit is WS1 in ThinkCaps is to stand out from the rest of the legends

I think it's actually so that it can be mixed with other sets (e.g. WoB). I don't think the ThinkCaps accent kit is meant to be used with ThinkCaps itself.

Haha, I thought i read in the beginning of the IC that the original keys where a brighter white to "stand out" and bonus was it was matching other wob sets, might have mixed that up

I think its more noticeable on the M and E on Ideus master layout here https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=107995.msg2950858#msg2950858
Numrow is harder to see it has more WS1 legends ( most of them are WS1 ) imo the noticeable difference is there and they will not match across a full board of keys. Mixing the keys is ofc totally up to the user

[ideus]

MK lovers are, by definition, perfectionists. Knowing that my legends do not match does not make any more comfortable for me to look at them and say, well, nobody will notice the difference. It is a matter of knowing, more than seeing. Peace of mind?

[RETURNISO]

MK lovers are, by definition, perfectionists. Knowing that my legends do not match does not make any more comfortable for me to look at them and say, well, nobody will notice the difference. It is a matter of knowing, more than seeing. Peace of mind?

Yea for sure! also one of the things i love about the community

Trying to make it clear, is important to note if you are buying into this kit to go with ThinkCaps or other CP legends set. Its two different colors that we are dealing with thats all
They may look closer to the naked eye in various lightning conditions and too ideus eyes   but they are still two different shade of white. One darker and one brighter.
So for people not knowing this i don't wanna have it come as a "surprise" 

Hope you understand

[depletedvespene]

One kit or another, be careful about mixing the broken bar and the (proper) vertical bar. The R1 \| key shows up in the renders as \¦, despite the rest of the vertical bars elsewhere being rendered correctly as |.

[xmaviik]

Hello Any update on the kit? Or any estimate date? Best regards

[nosferatooo]

Do we have any updates?

[xmaviik]

Well i guess there is no updates

[krzank]

The only problem with a AZERTY kit is has around 40 keys for 2 countries, find me 50 AZERTY users and ill bring the kit in the IC

I'm in for AZERTY (NorDeUK will buy too).
Should you ever consider running Cyrillic and/or Arabic set you can count on me also (also other colors).

[Jo_hannes]

To those worried that this IC is not progressing: NorDeUK has been confirmed on Discord for ThinkCaps, so if you can live with the CP legends instead of WS1, you can buy the NorDeUK kit there (from Nov 16th, I believe).
Best
Johannes

[voodoo6k]

To those worried that this IC is not progressing: NorDeUK has been confirmed on Discord for ThinkCaps, so if you can live with the CP legends instead of WS1, you can buy the NorDeUK kit there (from Nov 16th, I believe).
Best
Johannes

Thanks, correct.

CP is used as legend colour for ThinkCaps out of preference, because it's a classic colour (OG Cherry) and imo produces more crisp legends, probably because CP's more opaque than WS1:

CP versus WS1

(same shutter speed, aperture and ISO for both photos)


WS1 is used as legend colour for the Accent kit to maximize compatibility with currently available WoB sets.

[tech.spaghetti]

Hey would you consider adding Italian to the AZERTY? In case someone just want that option like me and sell the rest or split the kit with someone else

[jonowarren94]

All kits look like good options to me. Nice to see this is running again.

Personally I like the bruh kits as I think it embodies the spirit of supporting 'minority' keyboard language layouts and I could see myself (and hopefully others) buying the full kit and later on down the line splitting with others as more people join the hobby.

If you're looking for a UK vendor Jae from prototypist would be a good choice, I could see him wanting to support this if he could.

[Lil Pai]

I need this in my life.

[xmaviik]

Since i already own the base KIT i really want this extension, with Portuguese support

[RETURNISO]

Just wanted to update and say this is still being prepared!

Proposal kits have been made ready and hopefully mykb will soon get this quoted from GMK 

Sry for the little period of silence, but busy times

[RETURNISO]

For you guys wondering about a potential Dolch kit, this is the vote's so far:



I am personal holding back to try and run this further atm until there could be more potential interest. ( Anyone feel free to persuade the kit, I'll happily help with the KLE files and buy the kit )

[Prelim]

I believe most people assumed that running Dolch Nordeuk++ would consume more time to start the GB, and just wanted a quick WoB Nordeuk++ GB run almost one year ago.... which in reality didn't happened.

Running WoB and Dolch is parallel will not take any additional time/effort, as the kits will be exactly the same but in different colorway (the same thing that happened in the last Nordeuk++ GB (WoB and BoW kits).

[RETURNISO]

Yeah i know and get it

Still wanna combine if there is enough interest and possibility, just not enough people have shown interest, we cant get to the goal line with 25 people + & -,  even if it was a fast turnaround

I believe most people assumed that running Dolch Nordeuk++ would consume more time to start the GB, and just wanted a quick WoB Nordeuk++ GB run almost one year ago.... which in reality didn't happened.

Sorry i dont understand this?
 

[RETURNISO]

All kits look like good options to me. Nice to see this is running again.

Personally I like the bruh kits as I think it embodies the spirit of supporting 'minority' keyboard language layouts and I could see myself (and hopefully others) buying the full kit and later on down the line splitting with others as more people join the hobby.

If you're looking for a UK vendor Jae from prototypist would be a good choice, I could see him wanting to support this if he could.

yes for sure, hoping to get prototypist to proxy this so all Brits will be safe from the EU VAT wall

[Prelim]

I believe most people assumed that running Dolch Nordeuk++ would consume more time to start the GB, and just wanted a quick WoB Nordeuk++ GB run almost one year ago.... which in reality didn't happened.

Sorry i dont understand this?

I was referring to the fact that the pool results may be driven by a misleading questionnaire all along. I believe most people have chosen "NO, just get WoB running asap" thinking the Dolch option would delay the GB process, which isn't true. 

[RETURNISO]

I believe most people assumed that running Dolch Nordeuk++ would consume more time to start the GB, and just wanted a quick WoB Nordeuk++ GB run almost one year ago.... which in reality didn't happened.

Sorry i dont understand this?

I was referring to the fact that the pool results may be driven by a misleading questionnaire all along. I believe most people have chosen "NO, just get WoB running asap" thinking the Dolch option would delay the GB process, which isn't true.

Roger, well yeah that's not the case you are right. ( besides renders ( money) and more quotes ) 
I'll leave the form open as it is and people are still welcome to come with any language request etc and vote for Dolch  

[Lil Pai]

This deserves more attention.. I'll buy at least 3 sets.

[lex62lex]

I really like that you are doing an IC for NorDeUk sets, I am definitively interested in a set for WoB and Dolch R5. I can also attest that I thought the WoB would be delayed by ticking the box in the IC. I think you could get more interest if the Dolch set had its own IC.

[Nvmbra]

I'm in for whatever set happens just for the R5 Alt Gr keycaps.

edit: Nevermind 

[RETURNISO]

I'm in for whatever set happens just for the R5 Alt Gr keycaps.

edit: Nevermind 

Haha, Yeah its was a little on and off.. still waiting to hear back from GMK with quotes etc.. hopefully we can still add it depends on the quotes for the various kits proposals!

[Saks]

This run will be only WoB? I know Minimal 2 had Norde, but some keys that I need was missing on that add-on kit!

[ThomasTaiTai]

Great see this set being made for EU folks.

[RETURNISO]

Great see this set being made for EU folks.

 

This run will be only WoB? I know Minimal 2 had Norde, but some keys that I need was missing on that add-on kit!

Yes. WOB only. It will be hard to meet MOQ for BOW.. especially because it ran along side minimal Did you check out colorchrome?   

[Saks]

This run will be only WoB? I know Minimal 2 had Norde, but some keys that I need was missing on that add-on kit!

Yes. WOB only. It will be hard to meet MOQ for BOW.. especially because it ran along side minimal Did you check out colorchrome?

Checked! But I need the PT keycaps, which is always not included

[abucazu]

It would be super cool if you could add the ISO variant of the Spanish

[ideus]

It would be super cool if you could add the ISO variant of the Spanish

You can use US Int, Fin/Sw/Dan Int, and other European locales to write in Spanish. I write in Sp extensively and I have never used neither Spain nor the Latin version of SP layouts.

[JustKeys]

Hello! I'm from Malaysia, hit me up if you need a SEA vendor

Discord : JustJordan#0626
Instagram : JustKeys

[bazzmx]

+1for spanish, this is a sick set!

[MiguelFg]

It would be super cool if you could add the ISO variant of the Spanish

You can use US Int, Fin/Sw/Dan Int, and other European locales to write in Spanish. I write in Sp extensively and I have never used neither Spain nor the Latin version of SP layouts.

Kinda wanted to know how, and I mean if u can put a practical example, specially for áéíóúçñ which are keycaps that has no legends and you just have to pretend they are there.

Or maybe you use EURKey software idk.

[Kptburger]

gaming

[bazzmx]

It would be super cool if you could add the ISO variant of the Spanish

You can use US Int, Fin/Sw/Dan Int, and other European locales to write in Spanish. I write in Sp extensively and I have never used neither Spain nor the Latin version of SP layouts.

Kinda wanted to know how, and I mean if u can put a practical example, specially for áéíóúçñ which are keycaps that has no legends and you just have to pretend they are there.

Or maybe you use EURKey software idk.

In Spanish you don't have fixed keys for áéíóúü because you have a separate ´ (just besides the ñ key), you press ´ and then the vowel you want to accent so you get á for example, for ü you have to press shift+ ´and then u (or any other vowel for that matter), both ñ and ç have separate keys because they are letter by themselves, ñ is not an special n and ç is not an special s.

In order to type with different keycaps you just have to map the keyboard to (for example) iso-es layout and whatever keycap you have over the mapped ñ key will type an ñ, I have a iso-gb layout keyboard and I think it has : ; where the ñ should be so I press that, I guess you just have to know where are your keys at and there you go.

The thing is, imo, that it looks less aesthetic and has less of a custom/premium/exclusive feeling, you spend ˜300€ on a keyboard to not get keycaps in your language, most people won't be up for that. Anyway, finding good Spanish keycaps is a rabbithole by itself, most don't have all the proper keys, or mix up latin american and european distributions, don't have the brackets on the correct side, forget the E with the € symbol, or don't include a ç

TL;DR memorize the keyboard, set iso-es, put whatever keycaps you want

[salgiza]

Ideally, as this IC is probably too advanced to consider adding new sets, someone should create an IC for a GMK WOB "SOUTH" set, that included the ES/PT/IT/LA/BR layouts. Hopefully, among those of us that live in either Spain, Portugal, Italy, or Latin America (about 750.000.000 people), there are enough mechanical keyboard enthusiasts to achieve the minimum MOQ for such a set...

[bazzmx]

I would be in for such a kit

[xmaviik]

Any news on the kit?

[Dakk1d]

Any updates?

[Prelim]

I guess this may return after COVID and things go back to "normal".

[RETURNISO]

Hello Good Folks.

Sorry for not being able to update you with any info the last long time.

It unfortunately took forever to get the vendor to reach out to GMK i just recently got a answer.
I did not get a quote back, but just the info of requirements for getting a qoute........ i didn't know and hoped hat since we had run this before it should be easy to get up and going.

I tried through a new vendor. GMK is still not taking in new vendors unfortunately.

So its kind of stuck now. I am honestly put off be trying to get quotes and with GMK's lead times... ehh soo yeah haha 😄

If anyone want to take over the project feel free, pm me and i can send out the kle link!

All the best,

ISO

[ideus]

Hello Good Folks.

Sorry for not being able to update you with any info the last long time.

It unfortunately took forever to get the vendor to reach out to GMK i just recently got a answer.
I did not get a quote back, but just the info of requirements for getting a qoute........ i didn't know and hoped hat since we had run this before it should be easy to get up and going.

I tried through a new vendor. GMK is still not taking in new vendors unfortunately.

So its kind of stuck now. I am honestly put off be trying to get quotes and with GMK's lead times... ehh soo yeah haha 😄

If anyone want to take over the project feel free, pm me and i can send out the kle link!

All the best,

ISO

To feel frustrated is normal with all these drawbacks, I just hope that you keep going with this, as it is doubtful someone else is up to the challenge at this time.

[Lil Pai]

Hello Good Folks.

Sorry for not being able to update you with any info the last long time.

It unfortunately took forever to get the vendor to reach out to GMK i just recently got a answer.
I did not get a quote back, but just the info of requirements for getting a qoute........ i didn't know and hoped hat since we had run this before it should be easy to get up and going.

I tried through a new vendor. GMK is still not taking in new vendors unfortunately.

So its kind of stuck now. I am honestly put off be trying to get quotes and with GMK's lead times... ehh soo yeah haha 😄

If anyone want to take over the project feel free, pm me and i can send out the kle link!

All the best,

ISO

Definitely a challenge, and a frustrating one at that. Like ideus said, I do hope you still power through it and keep going. I've ordered a couple of GMK sets at this point, but this one, completing WoB with a NorDeUK set, that is the literal dream. So many nice sets, but nothing beats the classy WoB imo. I hope you don't give up on this one!

[Hyi]

Just dropping to say that I really hope this happens even through all the troubles. Lifetime set for me (Do even I believe that?).

[Prelim]

I really hope some GB runner in our ISO community can take this torch and continue with the R2 (Nordeuk++ for WoB and Classic Dolch) 

[DEG_2196]

Just chiming in to say I still hope this can go ahead somehow!

[teukka]

I just ordered Base kit from drop.com in hope these come available some day 

[hussar_name]

Add Italian?

[CoyoteMegalo]

Add French ? 

[clewstah]

Hello Good Folks.

Sorry for not being able to update you with any info the last long time.

It unfortunately took forever to get the vendor to reach out to GMK i just recently got a answer.
I did not get a quote back, but just the info of requirements for getting a qoute........ i didn't know and hoped hat since we had run this before it should be easy to get up and going.

I tried through a new vendor. GMK is still not taking in new vendors unfortunately.

So its kind of stuck now. I am honestly put off be trying to get quotes and with GMK's lead times... ehh soo yeah haha 😄

If anyone want to take over the project feel free, pm me and i can send out the kle link!

All the best,

ISO

I really hope you get you will back to re-up this in the future. This is an amasing initiative and idea. I really wouldn't wanna miss the opportunity if it arises again. Hope you're doing well. <3

[SmallSon]

Am ready to join if the run ever happens!

[NightFox99]

French AZERTY layout support ? If so French discord community will be happy to buy it. I'll make te word to the moderators, many people are waiting for this to happen.

[Lil Pai]

Well, I guess this project is dead.
I guess the best option for getting a WoB set with NorDeUK / International support would be PBTfans' new WOB set. Their international kit isn't available yet, but hopefully will be soon. About time I get my hands on an international WoB set after waiting for this GB to start for nearly two years.

[ideus]

Well, I guess this project is dead.
I guess the best option for getting a WoB set with NorDeUK / International support would be PBTfans' new WOB set. Their international kit isn't available yet, but hopefully will be soon. About time I get my hands on an international WoB set after waiting for this GB to start for nearly two years.

It is a shame that you missed this kit's original run. It was the only chance I have found so far to get my OG WoB to use with a Danish layout.

[granola bar enthusiast]

no turkish g support

[treeleaf64]

I've never heard of this place NordeUK  Maybe the treeleaf lives there. Has anyone seen the treeleaf lately? I can't find him anywhere

[Chez]

Just wanted to add to the people above and say that IF this ever happened I'd 100% be in.. having moved to Iceland within the last 18 months, it's impossible to find Icelandic keycaps..  Would desperately love to be able to build an Icelandic ISO board.

[Zurg Eon]

I'm in

[atkins]

This should really get going again.

[rossi94]

Count me in.