Author Topic: Realforce 87U??? I don't get it??? (Read 21519 times)

skcheng · « **Reply #50 on:** Mon, 26 April 2010, 10:41:46 »

Quote from: bionicroach;176076

This comic is modeled after my wife and I discussing my Realforce purchase:

http://basicinstructions.net/basic-instructions/2010/4/18/how-to-justify-investing-in-quality-merchandise.html

LOL. I think my wife is getting tired of seeing keyboards all around the house/office. But I just had to try the Re^lforce. I think she's probably relieved that I don't love it death and want to purchase 4 more??

skc

itlnstln · « **Reply #51 on:** Mon, 26 April 2010, 10:47:34 »

Yeah, I keep my love of keyboards away from my personal life. Most people just don't understand it; therefore, I don't try to explain it, nor do I try to convert people. If they are curious and ask, I'll tell them about it, but I don't go out of my way for it.

bionicroach · « **Reply #52 on:** Mon, 26 April 2010, 11:03:48 »

Quote from: itlnstln;176098

Yeah, I keep my love of keyboards away from my personal life. Most people just don't understand it

Agreed -- keeping keyboard pr0n to yourself is definitely the wisest choice as most "normal" folks will just think you're nuts and want to argue or criticize. However, I'm equally confused by the number of computer professionals who don't seem to care about the quality of the equipment they interact with all day, every day. Part of it is surely the fact that most employers aren't willing to buy anything that's not on the weekly specials flyer from Staples, and a lot of people probably feel awkward about bringing in their own gear from home (which is what I do). I don't really see it as any different than bringing in other personal items such as desk tchotchkes, family photos, or posters / artwork for the walls. If you spend a huge chunk of your life stuck at the office, you might as well be comfortable while you're there.

skcheng · « **Reply #53 on:** Mon, 26 April 2010, 11:13:04 »

Quote from: bionicroach;176101

Agreed -- keeping keyboard pr0n to yourself is definitely the wisest choice as most "normal" folks will just think you're nuts and want to argue or criticize. However, I'm equally confused by the number of computer professionals who don't seem to care about the quality of the equipment they interact with all day, every day. Part of it is surely the fact that most employers aren't willing to buy anything that's not on the weekly specials flyer from Staples, and a lot of people probably feel awkward about bringing in their own gear from home (which is what I do). I don't really see it as any different than bringing in other personal items such as desk tchotchkes, family photos, or posters / artwork for the walls. If you spend a huge chunk of your life stuck at the office, you might as well be comfortable while you're there.

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Yes.....totally agree. That's why I have wall to wall HDTVs in my office. And up front, I have a VPI TNT with an EAR tube phono preamp. Ceiling speakers unfortunately, but I didn't have room for a pair of Martin Logan CLS's LOL.

And life is totally too short to pound away on mediocre input devices

itlnstln · « **Reply #54 on:** Mon, 26 April 2010, 11:42:05 »

I will say this, though. Of all the modern keyboards available on the market (Filco, Das, Cherry, etc.). The Realforce and HHKB have the best build quality on the market. Other than the switches, I have been thoroughly impressed by the quality of the HHKB.

itlnstln · « **Reply #55 on:** Mon, 26 April 2010, 11:52:47 »

Well done.

The HHKB logo looks better on the 'board itself, but it's still a little weird-looking. About the logo I particularly like on a keyboard is the Filco one. Cherry's looks outdated, Unicomp is horrendous and Realforce is OK. IBM is epic, though.

test157 · « **Reply #56 on:** Mon, 26 April 2010, 13:16:49 »

black on black HHKB logo looks very cool, it almost invisible.

itlnstln · « **Reply #57 on:** Mon, 26 April 2010, 13:19:00 »

Quote from: test157;176152

black on black HHKB logo looks very cool, it almost invisible.

I have one for sale in the classifieds. It comes with a carrying case.

itlnstln · « **Reply #58 on:** Mon, 26 April 2010, 13:27:12 »

Quote from: ripster;176156

I was going to post that it was too expensive in that thread but you might get mad and unfriend me.

You should be in sales. Persistent.

Ur a dik.

As always, it's negotiable. Xs' sale kinda jacked it up for me.

itlnstln · « **Reply #59 on:** Mon, 26 April 2010, 13:40:29 »

Report button? Is there a moderator on this site?

ch_123 · « **Reply #60 on:** Mon, 26 April 2010, 13:45:24 »

How long till this guy figures that he really loves Topres.

Come on, it's inevitable...

itlnstln · « **Reply #61 on:** Mon, 26 April 2010, 13:48:20 »

When his wife yells at him saying that his Model Ms are too loud.

Rajagra · « **Reply #62 on:** Mon, 26 April 2010, 13:59:53 »

Here is how to do a logo:

It's simple. Direct. To the point. With a hint of stylishness.

In short: It's manly.

We need more manly logos. Especially on manly buckling spring keyboards.

ch_123 · « **Reply #63 on:** Mon, 26 April 2010, 14:03:03 »

Manly logo on a buckling spring keyboard?

Doesn't get manlier than Wang!

itlnstln · « **Reply #64 on:** Mon, 26 April 2010, 14:07:22 »

I love that, Ch.

The logo, that is, not wang.

skcheng · « **Reply #65 on:** Tue, 18 May 2010, 10:29:09 »

A contrasting opinion on the Re^lforce 87U here:

Topre Realforce 87U Keyboard

itlnstln · « **Reply #66 on:** Tue, 18 May 2010, 10:38:18 »

The writer, is a member here (salcan). Good write up.

wellington1869 · « **Reply #67 on:** Tue, 18 May 2010, 10:44:35 »

Quote from: skcheng;175778

Sex with the Topre??? I don't think so?? I'm kicking her and her board chow OUT!!

skc

lol! just saw this review. no worries, i went back to my model M within 2 weeks, too

itlnstln · « **Reply #68 on:** Tue, 18 May 2010, 10:46:04 »

I'm still banging away at mine. I can't get over the layout.

skcheng · « **Reply #69 on:** Tue, 18 May 2010, 10:46:04 »

Quote from: itlnstln;183491

The writer, is a member here (salcan). Good write up.

Yup. REALLY nice guy!! Doesn't want to self promote in anyway, so I figured I'd do it for him.

skcheng · « **Reply #70 on:** Tue, 18 May 2010, 11:11:31 »

Quote from: ripster;183503

I don't exactly believe in the whole "hard to justify price" thing.

I treat keyboards like monitors. I know I'll have them for several PC generations so I want a good one. Unlike video cards which are obsolete in one year.

Plus the reviewer LIKED the DIP switches. What a Geek!
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Hello.....it is GEEK.COM!!

iMav · « **Reply #71 on:** Tue, 18 May 2010, 11:30:39 »

Personally, I've never understood the appeal of the Realforce 'boards. To me, the best available keyboard is the HHKB Pro 2. This is, primarily, due to the layout. The key feel is nice, but it doesn't compare, IMHO, to either the blue or brown Cherry keyswitches. (in HHKB Pro's case, the key feel is "good enough" and the layout is perfect...which is why this keyboard wins top spot with me)

If I want to type on a "standard" US layout keyboard, I'll take a Filco with Cherrys any day (or a buckling spring 'board).

itlnstln · « **Reply #72 on:** Tue, 18 May 2010, 11:32:46 »

Quote from: iMav;183519

Personally, I've never understood the appeal of the Realforce 'boards. To me, the best available keyboard is the HHKB Pro 2. This is, primarily, due to the layout. The key feel is nice, but it doesn't compare, IMHO, to either the blue or brown Cherry keyswitches. (in HHKB Pro's case, the key feel is "good enough" and the layout is perfect...which is why this keyboard wins top spot with me)

If I want to type on a "standard" US layout keyboard, I'll take a Filco with Cherrys any day (or a buckling spring 'board).

I love you, iMav.* This is exactly how I feel about the Realforce.

*In a manly way, of course.

didjamatic · « **Reply #73 on:** Tue, 18 May 2010, 12:07:38 »

I don't want to adjust to a different layout that will mess with me whenever I go to a standard keyboard. That's also why I stay with straight boards rather than split/ergonomic models.

With what I do for a living, the HHKB layout doesn't offer me any advantages. I use the delete key and dedicated arrow keys constantly. Having to add a modifier into the mix every time I use those functions would be frustrating and impede my skills.

didjamatic · « **Reply #74 on:** Tue, 18 May 2010, 12:13:02 »

You know what would be cool for a next gen realforce is to have some toggle buttons with LED's rather than dip switches. That way you could enable and disable settings on the fly with a modifier + an F key or something that would then have an LED lit if it is enabled. You'd want it to save the config to flash. Also currently changing the Dip switches requires unplugging and replugging USB currently, they should change that.

itlnstln · « **Reply #75 on:** Tue, 18 May 2010, 12:22:43 »

If you had an HHKB, you could just unplug and replug from the keyboard itself. I find this very useful when I want to clean it.

itlnstln · « **Reply #76 on:** Tue, 18 May 2010, 12:38:25 »

My Windows key is on the right side. There's a DIP switch for that. I didn't have to use my left hand at all.

-Right pinky on Fn
-Right ring finger on Shift
-Right thumb on diamond
-Right middle finger on semicolon.

itlnstln · « **Reply #77 on:** Tue, 18 May 2010, 13:01:19 »

I took your advice; I am not selling it anymore. I think since **** Stallman "blesses" the HHKB, or whatever, there is some sort of perception that it's only for programming or something. I find it very efficient for all keyboarding tasks. I swapped back to a regular keyboard for awhile, but I missed everything being available right off the home row.

test157 · « **Reply #78 on:** Tue, 18 May 2010, 13:01:32 »

never use Right pinky on Fn

seems I'am alone so

salcan · « **Reply #79 on:** Tue, 18 May 2010, 13:02:05 »

Quote from: didjamatic;183536

I don't want to adjust to a different layout that will mess with me whenever I go to a standard keyboard. That's also why I stay with straight boards rather than split/ergonomic models.

With what I do for a living, the HHKB layout doesn't offer me any advantages. I use the delete key and dedicated arrow keys constantly. Having to add a modifier into the mix every time I use those functions would be frustrating and impede my skills.

Pretty much the same thing here. I love the idea of the HHKB and the size is amazing, but I have to use enough standard keyboards (and laptops) that getting too use to the HHKB layout would be an issue. I'm envious of all you guys that have mastered it though.

sk- Thanks for the link

Rajagra · « **Reply #80 on:** Tue, 18 May 2010, 13:11:35 »

Quote from: itlnstln;183553

My Windows key is on the right side. There's a DIP switch for that. I didn't have to use my left hand at all.

-Right pinky on Fn
-Right ring finger on Shift
-Right thumb on diamond
-Right middle finger on semicolon.

That works for me. Despite being in Mac mode. I'm confused. They must have made up the bit about the stop key.

maetl · « **Reply #81 on:** Tue, 18 May 2010, 13:11:51 »

As the owner of a Unix Beard, I don't like the HHKB layout much either. There is not enough room for Control, Alt, Super, Hyper, Compose, AltGr, Tab, and Caps Lock – all keys that I remap – to fit comfortably. I am also not too happy with the positioning of the Function key.

itlnstln · « **Reply #82 on:** Tue, 18 May 2010, 13:31:46 »

Quote from: ripster;183585

Lots of empty space in the HHKB corners. No need to. They certainly filled it up in the Japanese HHKB. They don't like us.

That might be one thing I would change. I prefer the Ctrl key in the bottom left instead of the Caps Lock location. I've gotten used to it, but it's not my preferred location. That, and CAD requires two hands. Granted, I only use it once a day to log in. Just sayin'.

ch_123 · « **Reply #83 on:** Tue, 18 May 2010, 14:38:31 »

Could do with a second Fn on the left hand side.

itlnstln · « **Reply #84 on:** Tue, 18 May 2010, 14:43:09 »

I think that's DIP switch 4. My left diamond is another Fn.

didjamatic · « **Reply #85 on:** Tue, 18 May 2010, 14:44:07 »

Quote from: ch_123;183644

Could do with a second Fn on the left hand side.

Just get a Realforce 76u. The production version will have a Fn key on each side of the spacebar. Oh wait, it wasn't real.

ricercar · « **Reply #86 on:** Wed, 19 May 2010, 19:32:11 »

Quote from: ch_123;175836

I wonder what a membrane switch feels like!

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Wait--is that pictured Dell a mechanical? I used to have one of those next to my Kinesis at work for volume control and ALT+ keypad use.

skcheng · « **Reply #87 on:** Wed, 19 May 2010, 19:45:45 »

What was this thread about again??? :doh:

skcheng · « **Reply #88 on:** Wed, 19 May 2010, 19:58:51 »

Quote from: ripster;184418

The OP said he wasn't going to get a Realforce 87U.

Not much to say after that really.

Actually the OP purchased a Re^lforce 87U. But he doesn't really know what to do with it now??

skcheng · « **Reply #89 on:** Wed, 19 May 2010, 20:53:26 »

Quote from: ripster;184436

Give it to me!

Lets trade! Actually, you already have one that you barely use.

didjamatic · « **Reply #90 on:** Thu, 20 May 2010, 14:19:12 »

itlnstln · « **Reply #91 on:** Thu, 20 May 2010, 14:49:02 »

Wow, you had a pretty, blue sky outside that day, huh?

itlnstln · « **Reply #92 on:** Thu, 20 May 2010, 15:00:46 »

Mine is the same way. I have no perceptible wear on any of the letter keys, but the spacebar is getting shiny right on the edge.

itlnstln · « **Reply #93 on:** Thu, 20 May 2010, 15:35:53 »

I'm ****ing pissed. I want my money back.

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Author Topic: Realforce 87U??? I don't get it??? (Read 21519 times)