I won't use external drives any more, they just don't last. With flash drives being so cheap I can't see the benefit, I've just got a 64GB thumb drive for when I need to move files around.
I won't use external drives any more, they just don't last. With flash drives being so cheap I can't see the benefit, I've just got a 64GB thumb drive for when I need to move files around.
I won't use external drives any more, they just don't last. With flash drives being so cheap I can't see the benefit, I've just got a 64GB thumb drive for when I need to move files around.
Ok... but a 2TB 2.5" harddrive will cost you ~$90, $110 with aluminum enclosure
A 1TB Flash drive is $700Show Image(http://www.cute-factor.com/images/smilies/onion/073.gif)
I won't use external drives any more, they just don't last. With flash drives being so cheap I can't see the benefit, I've just got a 64GB thumb drive for when I need to move files around.
Ok... but a 2TB 2.5" harddrive will cost you ~$90, $110 with aluminum enclosure
A 1TB Flash drive is $700Show Image(http://www.cute-factor.com/images/smilies/onion/073.gif)
http://www.newegg.ca/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820147378
Or external SSD for a bit less =P
LelI won't use external drives any more, they just don't last. With flash drives being so cheap I can't see the benefit, I've just got a 64GB thumb drive for when I need to move files around.
Ok... but a 2TB 2.5" harddrive will cost you ~$90, $110 with aluminum enclosure
A 1TB Flash drive is $700Show Image(http://www.cute-factor.com/images/smilies/onion/073.gif)
http://www.newegg.ca/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820147378
Or external SSD for a bit less =P
What do you mean a bit less... I'm pretty sure that damn thing is at least $500
It also doesn't fix the WEAK usb 3.0 port problem..
Look at my second foto, it's just this tiny sliver of metal, soldered to a pcb,
You see those tiny pins behind the port.. Just a little bit of flex will crack the **** out of those pins.
I won't use external drives any more, they just don't last. With flash drives being so cheap I can't see the benefit, I've just got a 64GB thumb drive for when I need to move files around.
Ok... but a 2TB 2.5" harddrive will cost you ~$90, $110 with aluminum enclosure
A 1TB Flash drive is $700Show Image(http://www.cute-factor.com/images/smilies/onion/073.gif)
Who's moving that amount of data around on a regular basis? And I've got backups, they just live on internal drives in a seperate PC.
Who's moving that amount of data around on a regular basis? And I've got backups, they just live on internal drives in a seperate PC.
It's a matter of convenience..
Who's moving that amount of data around on a regular basis? And I've got backups, they just live on internal drives in a seperate PC.
It's a matter of convenience..
Enjoy buying a new external every year!
to start of you shouldn't buy seagate.
to start of you shouldn't buy seagate.
Hahahhahaha... This drive has pretty good reviews.. and it's the only 2TB 9mm drive.. so I didn't really have a choice.
to start of you shouldn't buy seagate.
Hahahhahaha... This drive has pretty good reviews.. and it's the only 2TB 9mm drive.. so I didn't really have a choice.
WD 4ever.
I think a lot of the benefit of having an external drive is having a backup. I have 3TB internal and that's completely full. Of course not all of that 3TB is stuff I absolutely need a backup of but a good portion of it would be nice.
I think a lot of the benefit of having an external drive is having a backup. I have 3TB internal and that's completely full. Of course not all of that 3TB is stuff I absolutely need a backup of but a good portion of it would be nice.
That's so last decade :p
The internet is for backups.
I think a lot of the benefit of having an external drive is having a backup. I have 3TB internal and that's completely full. Of course not all of that 3TB is stuff I absolutely need a backup of but a good portion of it would be nice.
That's so last decade :p
The internet is for backups.
2TB worth of backups?
Compared to having something instantly accessible?
I think a lot of the benefit of having an external drive is having a backup. I have 3TB internal and that's completely full. Of course not all of that 3TB is stuff I absolutely need a backup of but a good portion of it would be nice.
That's so last decade :p
The internet is for backups.
Call me old fashioned, but I hate "The Cloud".
I'll back up my stuff on the internet when hell freezes over. You know who I trust with my personal files and information? NO ONE, except me.
I'll back up my stuff on the internet when hell freezes over. You know who I trust with my personal files and information? NO ONE, except me.
What secrets are you hiding? :eek:
Call me old fashioned, but I hate "The Cloud".
I think the CLOUD is a great idea.. honestly I DO.. I WANT IT TO WORK..
However, the internet in the USA isn't fast enough for this yet..
When we get significant Gigabit coverage, and the whatever-cloud service can Up/Down @ Gigabit..
I will happily surrender local storage.
I'll back up my stuff on the internet when hell freezes over. You know who I trust with my personal files and information? NO ONE, except me.
What secrets are you hiding? :eek:
I'll back up my stuff on the internet when hell freezes over. You know who I trust with my personal files and information? NO ONE, except me.
What secrets are you hiding? :eek:
naked pictures most likely..
Victorian Shame really screwed up our world man... seriously..
I'll back up my stuff on the internet when hell freezes over. You know who I trust with my personal files and information? NO ONE, except me.
What secrets are you hiding? :eek:
Nothing. I'm boring as hell. But I'll be damned if someone steals my boring stuff! It is a matter of pride. The Cloud is a trigger for me...gets me all worked up. :mad:
With the exception of maybe a few hundred gigs..
My entire data collection is virtually worthless.. -50 or so terabytes-
I only have it for convenience.. there's very little market value in it.
I'll back up my stuff on the internet when hell freezes over. You know who I trust with my personal files and information? NO ONE, except me.
What secrets are you hiding? :eek:
Nothing. I'm boring as hell. But I'll be damned if someone steals my boring stuff! It is a matter of pride. The Cloud is a trigger for me...gets me all worked up. :mad:
Hey. I respect your right to privacy. But now you just told us all how to piss you off. Look in the sky... what are those white puffy things?
With the exception of maybe a few hundred gigs..
My entire data collection is virtually worthless.. -50 or so terabytes-
I only have it for convenience.. there's very little market value in it.
With the exception of maybe a few hundred gigs..
My entire data collection is virtually worthless.. -50 or so terabytes-
I only have it for convenience.. there's very little market value in it.
50TB! Damn man, WTF are you keeping over there, all the worlds secrets? Back that up in the cloud and you will pay more for backups than you do for housing.
With the exception of maybe a few hundred gigs..
My entire data collection is virtually worthless.. -50 or so terabytes-
I only have it for convenience.. there's very little market value in it.
My entire data collection is like 10gb. You are a hoarder. Go on that show.
With the exception of maybe a few hundred gigs..
My entire data collection is virtually worthless.. -50 or so terabytes-
I only have it for convenience.. there's very little market value in it.
My entire data collection is like 10gb. You are a hoarder. Go on that show.
LALALALALALA.. I don't have a problem...Show Image(http://www.cute-factor.com/images/smilies/onion/042.gif)
Ever look into setting up a NAS drive? I have a WD my book live and it works really well for me. I'm probably gonna pick up an old computer to make a better/bigger dedicated NAS.
I think a lot of the benefit of having an external drive is having a backup. I have 3TB internal and that's completely full. Of course not all of that 3TB is stuff I absolutely need a backup of but a good portion of it would be nice.
That's so last decade :p
The internet is for backups.
I'll back up my stuff on the internet when hell freezes over. You know who I trust with my personal files and information? NO ONE, except me. Backing up at home is easy. Say you have a 1TB data drive in your PC (you should at least mirror this as well)....You buy a hot swap bay for next to nothing, then buy 2 1TB drives, also cheap. You setup an rsync job to copy all the files over to the drive in the bay every night. Take that drive to work, or some place not at your house. Then, put the second one in the bay and continue the backup process. When enough changes bring that one off site and bring the first one back. Cheap, easy, effective. You could get fancier, but I haven't found a need to yet.
Call me old fashioned, but I hate "The Cloud".
Ever look into setting up a NAS drive? I have a WD my book live and it works really well for me. I'm probably gonna pick up an old computer to make a better/bigger dedicated NAS.
I've considered this...hmm. Might have to explore that option further.
Ever look into setting up a NAS drive? I have a WD my book live and it works really well for me. I'm probably gonna pick up an old computer to make a better/bigger dedicated NAS.
I've considered this...hmm. Might have to explore that option further.
I'd recommend at least researching into it, i'm sure there's features that i'm not even fully aware of but having my own personal cloud and being able to access it from anywhere is pretty damn cool.
Ever look into setting up a NAS drive? I have a WD my book live and it works really well for me. I'm probably gonna pick up an old computer to make a better/bigger dedicated NAS.
I've considered this...hmm. Might have to explore that option further.
I'd recommend at least researching into it, i'm sure there's features that i'm not even fully aware of but having my own personal cloud and being able to access it from anywhere is pretty damn cool.
The My book Live has a metal plate inside for heat reduction and it has big holes.. So that's better than the foil wrapped drives they stick in completely enclosed plastic cases.
I think for Something like WD live, it powers down quite often, so durability shouldn't be a problem..
However, if you got drives that are SPINNING, or will sustain long durations of activity, I wouldn't trust anything except active cool..
The difference is quite huge.. ~20 C difference usually.
Ever look into setting up a NAS drive? I have a WD my book live and it works really well for me. I'm probably gonna pick up an old computer to make a better/bigger dedicated NAS.
I've considered this...hmm. Might have to explore that option further.
I'd recommend at least researching into it, i'm sure there's features that i'm not even fully aware of but having my own personal cloud and being able to access it from anywhere is pretty damn cool.
The My book Live has a metal plate inside for heat reduction and it has big holes.. So that's better than the foil wrapped drives they stick in completely enclosed plastic cases.
I think for Something like WD live, it powers down quite often, so durability shouldn't be a problem..
However, if you got drives that are SPINNING, or will sustain long durations of activity, I wouldn't trust anything except active cool..
The difference is quite huge.. ~20 C difference usually.
Yeah it does power down whenever there's no activity for X minutes and I'm not sure about the metal plates but it is definitely actively fan cooled (which reminds me that I should check/clean it)
Ever look into setting up a NAS drive? I have a WD my book live and it works really well for me. I'm probably gonna pick up an old computer to make a better/bigger dedicated NAS.
I've considered this...hmm. Might have to explore that option further.
I'd recommend at least researching into it, i'm sure there's features that i'm not even fully aware of but having my own personal cloud and being able to access it from anywhere is pretty damn cool.
The My book Live has a metal plate inside for heat reduction and it has big holes.. So that's better than the foil wrapped drives they stick in completely enclosed plastic cases.
I think for Something like WD live, it powers down quite often, so durability shouldn't be a problem..
However, if you got drives that are SPINNING, or will sustain long durations of activity, I wouldn't trust anything except active cool..
The difference is quite huge.. ~20 C difference usually.
Yeah it does power down whenever there's no activity for X minutes and I'm not sure about the metal plates but it is definitely actively fan cooled (which reminds me that I should check/clean it)
I didn't know it was active cooled.. Is this the dual drive version?
I remember looking up the single drive version when I saw it at the microcenter, and it just had the cooling plate, no fans.
My answer was going to be "stick something in the fan" but seems I'm in the wrong thread :blank:
I think a lot of the benefit of having an external drive is having a backup. I have 3TB internal and that's completely full. Of course not all of that 3TB is stuff I absolutely need a backup of but a good portion of it would be nice.
That's so last decade :p
The internet is for backups.
2TB worth of backups?
Compared to having something instantly accessible?
I definitely avoid all external enclosures that aren't actively cooled hot-swap enclosures. If you must, I'd definitely say go with an SSD. Mechanical drives just aren't made to be jostled around.
I run two 10TB RAID arrays with hot spares at home and I always just opt for enterprise grade WD drives. The 5 year warranty is a must when you run them continuously. I had two go out in the span of a week and it was a bit touch and go from there, but that's the only time that's happened.
I'll back up my stuff on the internet when hell freezes over. You know who I trust with my personal files and information? NO ONE, except me. Backing up at home is easy. Say you have a 1TB data drive in your PC (you should at least mirror this as well)....You buy a hot swap bay for next to nothing, then buy 2 1TB drives, also cheap. You setup an rsync job to copy all the files over to the drive in the bay every night. Take that drive to work, or some place not at your house. Then, put the second one in the bay and continue the backup process. When enough changes bring that one off site and bring the first one back. Cheap, easy, effective. You could get fancier, but I haven't found a need to yet.
Call me old fashioned, but I hate "The Cloud".
I can only recommand the usage of a NAS, I build one 2 years ago. Set up a RAID5, a torrent client, a plex server(media center for the nexwork) and I'm all set.
Lof of things a nas can do.
my external HD use case: i have a TV that has USB but doesn't network nor do i want a networked tv, so i store movies / tv shows on the portable for use on the TV. what is a better solution besides buying a network-ready TV?
my external HD use case: i have a TV that has USB but doesn't network nor do i want a networked tv, so i store movies / tv shows on the portable for use on the TV. what is a better solution besides buying a network-ready TV?
Roku + Plex
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my external HD use case: i have a TV that has USB but doesn't network nor do i want a networked tv, so i store movies / tv shows on the portable for use on the TV. what is a better solution besides buying a network-ready TV?
Roku + Plex
^-^
tp you forgot to talk about melting psu issues! Never got one?
My advice, if you are doing backups, get something like that
http://www.amazon.com/Plugable-Lay-Flat-Docking-Station-Supports/dp/B00APP6694/ref=sr_1_5?ie=UTF8&qid=1439542847&sr=8-5&keywords=hd+dock+usb+3
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if you have firewire, this one is great (I have one myself since 3 years and counting, one of the most reliable enclosure I got so far)
http://www.amazon.com/Freecom-Hard-Drive-Dock-Quattro/dp/B004BHADPA/ref=sr_1_2?ie=UTF8&qid=1439542303&sr=8-2&keywords=freecom+dock
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then get quality boxes at a decent price through a great guy
http://www.moddiy.com/products/3.5-Inches-HDD-Protection-Box.html
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forgot the most important advice, then store your hd(s) in a safe place away from kids, animals and your own clumsiness (by far the most important part).
Hrrrrmmmmmmmmm........
I think... But I can't take that station with me easily, I'd need to carry that power supply...
Wait is the power supply to prevent melting psu ?
What is the melting psu issue?.. I've not heard externals melting people's psus.
Damn I'm so old school :D you're getting power through your USB port of course :)) nevermind
With the exception of maybe a few hundred gigs..
My entire data collection is virtually worthless.. -50 or so terabytes-
I only have it for convenience.. there's very little market value in it.
With the exception of maybe a few hundred gigs..
My entire data collection is virtually worthless.. -50 or so terabytes-
I only have it for convenience.. there's very little market value in it.
Somehow I came across this post while looking for info on buying a new harddrive.
let me guess, your data collection isn't a collection of Mao Zedong's speeches. It is basically 50TB of porn.
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to start of you shouldn't buy seagate.
Hahahhahaha... This drive has pretty good reviews.. and it's the only 2TB 9mm drive.. so I didn't really have a choice.
WD 4ever.
I think a lot of the benefit of having an external drive is having a backup. I have 3TB internal and that's completely full. Of course not all of that 3TB is stuff I absolutely need a backup of but a good portion of it would be nice.
That's so last decade :p
The internet is for backups.
Call me old fashioned, but I hate "The Cloud".
I think the CLOUD is a great idea.. honestly I DO.. I WANT IT TO WORK..
However, the internet in the USA isn't fast enough for this yet..
When we get significant Gigabit coverage, and the whatever-cloud service can Up/Down @ Gigabit..
I will happily surrender local storage.
I'll back up my stuff on the internet when hell freezes over. You know who I trust with my personal files and information? NO ONE, except me.
What secrets are you hiding? :eek:
With the exception of maybe a few hundred gigs..
My entire data collection is virtually worthless.. -50 or so terabytes-
I only have it for convenience.. there's very little market value in it.
My entire data collection is like 10gb. You are a hoarder. Go on that show.
LALALALALALA.. I don't have a problem...Show Image(http://www.cute-factor.com/images/smilies/onion/042.gif)
IMHO: Just don't buy any kind of packaged External Hard drive.All drive companies short externals, short them on what? Technically they short them on everything. Externals cost about the same as an internal drive, yet require more parts, they do this by shaving cost elsewhere. Is Seagate worse, well they are more prone to damage from vibration but for the most part drive reliability often comes down to the batch and who you ask. I've had good and bad luck with all of them.
Seagate, IMHO is a notorious offender: I've had more of these fail than any other type of drive I've purchased.
DO keep an eye on Blaze's hard drive failure reports (great for 3.5" drives) and buy one of the models that has a very low failure rate.:Backblaze's duty cycle is not the same as your duty cycle and therefore it's completely useless.
https://www.backblaze.com/b2/hard-drive-test-data.html
But it seems to me that the best 2.5 inch drives to get are WD Blacks. EVERY 2.5" SEAGATE I've ever had has failed in 6months (I have only ever bought four Seagate 2.5 inch drives, however).WD Blacks, initially were little more than a low end enterprise grade drive for consumers.
I mainly use SSD's in external housings if I need a external drive, and for large storage I end up building a rig to work as a file/media storage workhorse server. That way when I watch movies I don't have to worry about my main rig I work/game on at home going down due to me tinkering and benching, and end up getting a call from a friend or family member as to why their movie cut out at key moments lol.
IMHO: Just don't buy any kind of packaged External Hard drive.All drive companies short externals, short them on what? Technically they short them on everything. Externals cost about the same as an internal drive, yet require more parts, they do this by shaving cost elsewhere. Is Seagate worse, well they are more prone to damage from vibration but for the most part drive reliability often comes down to the batch and who you ask. I've had good and bad luck with all of them.
Seagate, IMHO is a notorious offender: I've had more of these fail than any other type of drive I've purchased.
So how important is the batch?
When you setup a server you specifically try and use drives from multiple batches to make sure they don't all fail at the same time.
Other important tips...
Don't leave it plugged in.
When you unplug it, unplug the end OPPOSITE the drive and wait for it to stop spinning before you move or disconnect the cable at the drive end.
Use it at least once every few weeks, and make sure it gets warm. This ensures the lube does what it should rather than dry up in a place it's doing nothing.
Do this and they should last a very long time.DO keep an eye on Blaze's hard drive failure reports (great for 3.5" drives) and buy one of the models that has a very low failure rate.:Backblaze's duty cycle is not the same as your duty cycle and therefore it's completely useless.
https://www.backblaze.com/b2/hard-drive-test-data.html
Backblaze loads 50+ drives into a chassis, these all create massive amount of vibration, something non-enterprise drives are not rated for, simply put, this is serious abuse of these drives. Worse still, these drives are then spun up, written with data, then they sit there spinning idle for the rest of their life. They almost never read, they only write and once full they rarely get used again. Does this sound anything like how your drive is treated? No. Enterprise drives specifically list how many drives can be in a single chassis because the vibration is such an issue. Believe it or not, typing or even loud noise can impact your drives. It's not just a fall that causes problems for it.
So again, don't pay any attention to Backblaze drive reports they're worthless to anyone but Backblaze and they really shouldn't even report them. They do do because it causes people to constantly quote them in threads like this giving them free advertising.
The better drive report to read was a Google report years ago where they determined uncorrected and pending sector counts were the best way to predict failure and vibration was the biggest drive killer on their workstations.But it seems to me that the best 2.5 inch drives to get are WD Blacks. EVERY 2.5" SEAGATE I've ever had has failed in 6months (I have only ever bought four Seagate 2.5 inch drives, however).WD Blacks, initially were little more than a low end enterprise grade drive for consumers.
I believe they've lowered that quality a bit since but they are still very much built to a better standard and are pretty much the only spinner I even like to use these days because they're just that much better. This is typical for lots of things in computers, enterprise laptops tend to survive a lot better as well.
As I've read this thread and digested its comestibles (four ounces of Cearphilly, if you please) it seems that the "answer" to the question "How to make external drives not suck" is to buy a proper internal hard drive (preferably an enterprise model) and "externalize" that drive yourself using one or more of the options listed in this thread.It is correct, but make sure the box is either vented or the housing acts as a heatsink, otherwise you can bake the drive.
That sound about right?