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Living Healthy is Depressing
« on: Tue, 11 July 2017, 10:41:38 »
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This is the Maximum amount of Fat content one could eat PER meal..


7.40g of fats on plate,
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So you go vegan,  but apparently that's not enough.

Vegans avoid the highly carcinogenic properties of Milk/ Meat/ Eggs/ Fish 

However, most vegans are replacing those delicious fatty animals with Fatty plant food.

They've beaten the cancer, but kept the heart-disease and diabetes..




What's Healthy plant based exactly,   research says,  10% of total calories from Fat.

-- This quantity will Prevent and even REVERSE heart disease/diabetes..



What does that look like... Sigh..................... yea,  I want to jump out my window too.



The numbers:


-- If you ate 2000 calories a day,

-- 10% is 200. 

-- Fats contain 9 calories per gram

-- 200/9 = 22.22grams of fat per day, max

-- 3 Meals a day, That's  7.41g  per meal

-- Mixed Nuts are 50% fat,  14.81g, as shown in the photo. 

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Re: Living Healthy is Depressing
« Reply #1 on: Tue, 11 July 2017, 10:55:11 »
i just had 3 loaded grillers from taco bell

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« Reply #2 on: Tue, 11 July 2017, 11:05:35 »
Popeyes Calculation.


If you ate in a typical popeyes guy meal

a Wing                   14 g fat
a Thigh                  21 g fat
a Drumstick            9 g fat
a Breast                27 g fat
a Biscuit                15 g fat
a Cajun Rice side    5 g fat
a Mashpotato side   4 g fat


That comes out to 95 Grams of fat.. or 4.3x the daily maximum.




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« Reply #3 on: Tue, 11 July 2017, 11:08:27 »
i just had 3 loaded grillers from taco bell

That's  15g of fat *  3.   45 grams,  2x the daily max.

I'm so jealous.. !!!!!




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« Reply #4 on: Tue, 11 July 2017, 11:29:49 »
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« Reply #5 on: Tue, 11 July 2017, 11:32:22 »
Tldr; you used to be fun but now you're always depressing and lame.

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« Reply #6 on: Tue, 11 July 2017, 11:49:32 »
Tldr; you used to be fun but now you're always depressing and lame.

Sigh.......................................................... Don't I know it.. .

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« Reply #7 on: Tue, 11 July 2017, 11:52:49 »
Tldr; you used to be fun but now you're always depressing and lame.

Sigh.......................................................... Don't I know it.. .

Just give up and love life to the fullest

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« Reply #8 on: Tue, 11 July 2017, 11:54:22 »
Tldr; you used to be fun but now you're always depressing and lame.

Sigh.......................................................... Don't I know it.. .

Just give up and love life to the fullest


Hahahahaha..  I even considered bulimia for a second, then i remembered all those documentaries i watched on eating disorders..

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« Reply #9 on: Tue, 11 July 2017, 12:02:51 »
Tldr; you used to be fun but now you're always depressing and lame.

Sigh.......................................................... Don't I know it.. .

Just give up and love life to the fullest


Hahahahaha..  I even considered bulimia for a second, then i remembered all those documentaries i watched on eating disorders..
You can do everything right and still die young dude. Just try to live.

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« Reply #10 on: Tue, 11 July 2017, 12:06:06 »
Haters gon' hate. Find a balance that suits you is all I will say.

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« Reply #11 on: Tue, 11 July 2017, 12:33:00 »
Eat whatever you want + exercise like a madman = complete happiness

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« Reply #12 on: Tue, 11 July 2017, 12:43:59 »
Eat whatever you want + exercise like a madman = complete happiness

hahah.. u gotta be careful with that.. when they looked at the arteries of top world triathletes , they found arteries that were 90% clogged.


Just because you're not fat, doesn't mean you're not clogging the pipes..


Sigh.. there's happiness now,  but I'm at the age where i am forced to worry about happiness later..

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« Reply #13 on: Tue, 11 July 2017, 12:48:51 »
Eat whatever you want + exercise like a madman = complete happiness

hahah.. u gotta be careful with that.. when they looked at the arteries of top world triathletes , they found arteries that were 90% clogged.


Just because you're not fat, doesn't mean you're not clogging the pipes..


Sigh.. there's happiness now,  but I'm at the age where i am forced to worry about happiness later..

You ain't finding it here

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« Reply #14 on: Tue, 11 July 2017, 12:50:54 »
Eat whatever you want + exercise like a madman = complete happiness

hahah.. u gotta be careful with that.. when they looked at the arteries of top world triathletes , they found arteries that were 90% clogged.


Just because you're not fat, doesn't mean you're not clogging the pipes..


Sigh.. there's happiness now,  but I'm at the age where i am forced to worry about happiness later..

You ain't finding it here

Sigh..................   food = drugs.. indeed

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« Reply #15 on: Tue, 11 July 2017, 12:53:55 »
Eat whatever you want + exercise like a madman = complete happiness

hahah.. u gotta be careful with that.. when they looked at the arteries of top world triathletes , they found arteries that were 90% clogged.


Just because you're not fat, doesn't mean you're not clogging the pipes..


Sigh.. there's happiness now,  but I'm at the age where i am forced to worry about happiness later..

You ain't finding it here

Sigh..................   food = drugs.. indeed

You need some Korean BBQ and a couple pints

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« Reply #16 on: Tue, 11 July 2017, 13:07:44 »
Eat whatever you want + exercise like a madman = complete happiness

hahah.. u gotta be careful with that.. when they looked at the arteries of top world triathletes , they found arteries that were 90% clogged.


Just because you're not fat, doesn't mean you're not clogging the pipes..


Sigh.. there's happiness now,  but I'm at the age where i am forced to worry about happiness later..

You ain't finding it here

Sigh..................   food = drugs.. indeed

or,
Food + Drugs = even better!

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« Reply #17 on: Tue, 11 July 2017, 13:08:47 »
Eat whatever you want + exercise like a madman = complete happiness

hahah.. u gotta be careful with that.. when they looked at the arteries of top world triathletes , they found arteries that were 90% clogged.


Just because you're not fat, doesn't mean you're not clogging the pipes..


Sigh.. there's happiness now,  but I'm at the age where i am forced to worry about happiness later..

You ain't finding it here

Sigh..................   food = drugs.. indeed

or,
Food + Drugs = even better!

Don't forget sex and booze!

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« Reply #18 on: Tue, 11 July 2017, 13:09:16 »

or,
Food + Drugs = even better!


Imho if that is your absolute best idea, then by all means do it.


I'm just personally too self conscious to take the day off on thinking about the perils of unchecked desires.. hahahahahha

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« Reply #19 on: Tue, 11 July 2017, 13:10:09 »
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« Reply #20 on: Mon, 17 July 2017, 18:35:52 »
Dear TP4

The wife calls and says she's 2 hours away stuck in traffic and I need to get my own food for tonight.

I'm already in town getting gas so I run by McDonald's and get a pico guacamole chicken sandwich on an artisan bun with large fry and large soda and to top it off I got 2 extra cheesburgers to eat on the way home.

I'm riding the food high right now but I'm sure I'll crash at some point.

Until Next Time
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« Reply #21 on: Mon, 17 July 2017, 18:59:54 »
Dear TP4

The wife calls and says she's 2 hours away stuck in traffic and I need to get my own food for tonight.

I'm already in town getting gas so I run by McDonald's and get a pico guacamole chicken sandwich on an artisan bun with large fry and large soda and to top it off I got 2 extra cheesburgers to eat on the way home.

I'm riding the food high right now but I'm sure I'll crash at some point.

Until Next Time
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Re: Living Healthy is Depressing
« Reply #22 on: Mon, 17 July 2017, 19:38:55 »
I was always under the impression animal fats were fine, it was carbohydrates and it was carbohydrates that were the enemy. I am a Type 1 diabetic so I eat a Paleo lifestyle just for the glucose control component. Not saying it's better or worse, just adding to the discussion.

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I was always under the impression animal fats were fine, it was carbohydrates and it was carbohydrates that were the enemy. I am a Type 1 diabetic so I eat a Paleo lifestyle just for the glucose control component. Not saying it's better or worse, just adding to the discussion.

Hi Centropyge.

type 1 does not necessarily mean you produce no insulin whatsoever,

Your body still likely produces a small quantity.


So it is very possible for you to go into a vegan diet.



The issue would be the transition ,  because if you have been eating the American portion sizes of Animal products , meat, cheese, fish,   then your arteries and your muscles are laden with fat deposits.

This makes you fundamentally MORE insulin resistant than you would've been , had a vegan 10% calories from fat diet been known to you sooner.


But that aspect of the nutritional science was not fully refined and realized until recently.



Depending on severity , you may always need external insulin,   but if you CONTINUE the (Paleo) with alot of meats and oils,   Your diabetes will only become more severe until you walk into dialysis and die a horrible death.



So,  to round this out,   You are correct to watch carbohydrate intakes carefully,    but Paleo in terms of meat consumption and high calorie percentages from fat will only worsen your condition.

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« Reply #24 on: Mon, 17 July 2017, 20:52:11 »
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This here is why I am not a vegan.  This is 14 pounds of pork butt that day in my smoker for 7 hours. Used a mix of apple and cherry until I ran out then finished with maple.  Took the internal temp up to 200°F, then wrapped with aluminum foil and towels and placed in a cooler to rest for two hours.

Zero effort for pulling.  The bones came out in their own weight alone. 

In case anyone is wondering what was in the aluminum foil boat, it was an entire elephant garlic and half a dozen baby bell peppers that I roasted in olive oil and butter with some cookies flavor enhancer.  This way in there about two hours. 

Plain and simple, I enjoy cooking way to much to go vegan.
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« Reply #25 on: Mon, 17 July 2017, 21:01:50 »
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Overall, eating the standard 'Murican is the most delicious years of ones life, age 0 to 50..


But from then on , There is a 50% chance that you will either develop heart disease or cancer or both. 

--  As far as Betting odds go... that's i mean, hahaha... 50% is huge, you can count on it..

--  And because diet is indoctrinated,   a person's offspring will also have approximately the same risk..



As an adult, I suppose You are capable of making the trade off with your eyes open..  but it's more difficult to to say this as a Choice with no other victims, when we take future generations into account.



Please at least take a look at the data and research when you get some time off.

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This here is why I am not a vegan.  This is 14 pounds of pork butt that day in my smoker for 7 hours. Used a mix of apple and cherry until I ran out then finished with maple.  Took the internal temp up to 200°F, then wrapped with aluminum foil and towels and placed in a cooler to rest for two hours.

Zero effort for pulling.  The bones came out in their own weight alone. 

In case anyone is wondering what was in the aluminum foil boat, it was an entire elephant garlic and half a dozen baby bell peppers that I roasted in olive oil and butter with some cookies flavor enhancer.  This way in there about two hours. 

Plain and simple, I enjoy cooking way to much to go vegan.

it's beautiful

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This here is why I am not a vegan.  This is 14 pounds of pork butt that day in my smoker for 7 hours. Used a mix of apple and cherry until I ran out then finished with maple.  Took the internal temp up to 200°F, then wrapped with aluminum foil and towels and placed in a cooler to rest for two hours.

Zero effort for pulling.  The bones came out in their own weight alone. 

In case anyone is wondering what was in the aluminum foil boat, it was an entire elephant garlic and half a dozen baby bell peppers that I roasted in olive oil and butter with some cookies flavor enhancer.  This way in there about two hours. 

Plain and simple, I enjoy cooking way to much to go vegan.

it's beautiful

But Deadly... hahahahahahhaa

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« Reply #28 on: Mon, 17 July 2017, 21:25:44 »
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This here is why I am not a vegan.  This is 14 pounds of pork butt that day in my smoker for 7 hours. Used a mix of apple and cherry until I ran out then finished with maple.  Took the internal temp up to 200°F, then wrapped with aluminum foil and towels and placed in a cooler to rest for two hours.

Zero effort for pulling.  The bones came out in their own weight alone. 

In case anyone is wondering what was in the aluminum foil boat, it was an entire elephant garlic and half a dozen baby bell peppers that I roasted in olive oil and butter with some cookies flavor enhancer.  This way in there about two hours. 

Plain and simple, I enjoy cooking way to much to go vegan.

it's beautiful

But Deadly... hahahahahahhaa

Had roughly 10 people eating off that pile, then the the wife, kids, and I will say sandwiches out of it until the next weekend.  So per sitting isn't near as bad as it looks. Plus we do eat veggies and fruits. 

Milk as a carcinogen, I would like to see the claims that back that up.  And what levels of consumption are required to get to a statistically significant risk of cancer from dairy consumption. 

Also, the average length of retirement for my profession not long ago was two checks.  This is when you factor in the guys that for on the website.  But when you only have a GED it limits your options a fair bit for occupations that pay enough to support a family.  Chances are, I make more now that the teaches in high school that told me I wouldn't amount to anything. 

In summary, diet is one of the last things I am worried about being the end of my life.
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« Reply #29 on: Mon, 17 July 2017, 21:30:14 »

Had roughly 10 people eating off that pile, then the the wife, kids, and I will say sandwiches out of it until the next weekend.  So per sitting isn't near as bad as it looks. Plus we do eat veggies and fruits. 

Milk as a carcinogen, I would like to see the claims that back that up.  And what levels of consumption are required to get to a statistically significant risk of cancer from dairy consumption. 

Also, the average length of retirement for my profession not long ago was two checks.  This is when you factor in the guys that for on the website.  But when you only have a GED it limits your options a fair bit for occupations that pay enough to support a family.  Chances are, I make more now that the teaches in high school that told me I wouldn't amount to anything. 

In summary, diet is one of the last things I am worried about being the end of my life.


Check out the China study,  (book) written by colin t.. you can find it on Arrgh-matey publishing..


They experimented on mice using casein protein, (from milk),  it significantly increases the rate of cancer cell multiplication.





Now, overall though,  what needs more focus is 50% of all deaths, is either heart disease or cancer..

 Meanwhile,  populations which eat nearly 100% vegetables with LOW ~10% calories from fat,  have almost no heart disease or any of the Most common western cancer variants,  such as breast cancer.



How much money you make won't really save you from -yourself-  hahahaha.. you can't pay yourself to not eat.. hahahahaha..





As for END of your life..   dying's not scary..  but HALF dead on a bed,   wheelchair,  suffering,   all your life's savings going to the hospital bill..


THAT is far worse than the end.

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« Reply #30 on: Mon, 17 July 2017, 21:49:06 »

Had roughly 10 people eating off that pile, then the the wife, kids, and I will say sandwiches out of it until the next weekend.  So per sitting isn't near as bad as it looks. Plus we do eat veggies and fruits. 

Milk as a carcinogen, I would like to see the claims that back that up.  And what levels of consumption are required to get to a statistically significant risk of cancer from dairy consumption. 

Also, the average length of retirement for my profession not long ago was two checks.  This is when you factor in the guys that for on the website.  But when you only have a GED it limits your options a fair bit for occupations that pay enough to support a family.  Chances are, I make more now that the teaches in high school that told me I wouldn't amount to anything. 

In summary, diet is one of the last things I am worried about being the end of my life.


Check out the China study,  (book) written by colin t.. you can find it on Arrgh-matey publishing..


They experimented on mice using casein protein, (from milk),  it significantly increases the rate of cancer cell multiplication.





Now, overall though,  what needs more focus is 50% of all deaths, is either heart disease or cancer..

 Meanwhile,  populations which eat nearly 100% vegetables with LOW ~10% calories from fat,  have almost no heart disease or any of the Most common western cancer variants,  such as breast cancer.



How much money you make won't really save you from -yourself-  hahahaha.. you can't pay yourself to not eat.. hahahahaha..





As for END of your life..   dying's not scary..  but HALF dead on a bed,   wheelchair,  suffering,   all your life's savings going to the hospital bill..


THAT is far worse than the end.

Don't have time to go looking for a book from China.   Any peer reviewed studies I can look at?  Scholar Google search helps with this I hear.

Those mice used in those studies are bred for cancer production.

I wasn't trying to insinuate that I could buy my health.  But with my education,  I am limited to either a low wage, or a job that is very taxing in the health and well being.  I chose to provide for my family.
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« Reply #31 on: Mon, 17 July 2017, 21:54:27 »

Don't have time to go looking for a book from China.   Any peer reviewed studies I can look at?  Scholar Google search helps with this I hear.

Those mice used in those studies are bred for cancer production.

I wasn't trying to insinuate that I could buy my health.  But with my education,  I am limited to either a low wage, or a job that is very taxing in the health and well being.  I chose to provide for my family.

hahaha

it's not a book from china..  white guy wrote it. only a small section of it even uses Chinese data, it's a collection research some headed by colin t himself, some others, which demonstrates conclusively that diets rich in animal products and ABOVE the 10% calories from fat threshold, directly causes the majority of the leading causes of death in America.

Colin T Campbell is peer reviewed with over 300 papers.


But the book is very good and puts the research in more plain terms.

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Dieing healthy is probably more depressing.
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Re: Living Healthy is Depressing
« Reply #33 on: Mon, 17 July 2017, 21:56:41 »
Dieing healthy is probably more depressing.

See you guys are getting caught up on the word Dying..


Dying is easy..   On Off, On , Off ..

 
Heart disease + Cancer,    Hell is real.. and it starts delicious, then comes age 50,  and Whammo the suffering begins...

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« Reply #34 on: Mon, 17 July 2017, 22:27:34 »

Don't have time to go looking for a book from China.   Any peer reviewed studies I can look at?  Scholar Google search helps with this I hear.

Those mice used in those studies are bred for cancer production.

I wasn't trying to insinuate that I could buy my health.  But with my education,  I am limited to either a low wage, or a job that is very taxing in the health and well being.  I chose to provide for my family.

hahaha

it's not a book from china..  white guy wrote it. only a small section of it even uses Chinese data, it's a collection research some headed by colin t himself, some others, which demonstrates conclusively that diets rich in animal products and ABOVE the 10% calories from fat threshold, directly causes the majority of the leading causes of death in America.

Colin T Campbell is peer reviewed with over 300 papers.


But the book is very good and puts the research in more plain terms.

You are missing my primary point.  My job has probably an order of magnitude greater chance of causing me health problems down the road than my diet. 

Diet: to many calories from animal fats, and a bit high on sugar intake, overall not bad though.

Work: inadvertent exposure to the following, heavy chromates from welding and plasma cutting stainless, manganese from welding carbon steel and plasma cutting carbon steel and aluminum, asbestos, silica sand, lead paint being torched, ground with hand held grinders as well as welded on, same processes with zinc from galvanized steel, random chemicals from various oils and greases as thin as Kroil to as thick as Falk Long Term grease, many of which contain molybdenum disulfide, tools coated with copper beryllium because where I am working uses hexane a gas flammable enough that I can't even carry my phone or steel tools because of the fire hazard.

But keep telling me how my diet is going to kill me.
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« Reply #35 on: Mon, 17 July 2017, 22:45:44 »
Still looking for the elusive "highly carcinogenic" dairy.
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Re: Living Healthy is Depressing
« Reply #37 on: Mon, 17 July 2017, 23:10:34 »

You are missing my primary point.  My job has probably an order of magnitude greater chance of causing me health problems down the road than my diet. 

Diet: to many calories from animal fats, and a bit high on sugar intake, overall not bad though.

Work: inadvertent exposure to the following, heavy chromates from welding and plasma cutting stainless, manganese from welding carbon steel and plasma cutting carbon steel and aluminum, asbestos, silica sand, lead paint being torched, ground with hand held grinders as well as welded on, same processes with zinc from galvanized steel, random chemicals from various oils and greases as thin as Kroil to as thick as Falk Long Term grease, many of which contain molybdenum disulfide, tools coated with copper beryllium because where I am working uses hexane a gas flammable enough that I can't even carry my phone or steel tools because of the fire hazard.

But keep telling me how my diet is going to kill me.




Hahahaha...   Your job, to a certain extent, is not within your control.. Then that makes it inconsequential to the topic at hand..


Because it is an element you can't change,   it has no weight on the choices that you CAN influence.


Your diet is 100% within your control


And from there we also have the programming of your next generation which takes place and typically very difficult to alter once set.






Here is the study referenced on dairy protein..

National Toxicology Program. Report on carcinogens. 499 (Research Triangle Park, NC, 2011).


Casein details..

https://nutriciously.com/casein-cancer-connection/


This is a video that gives you a general idea.

http://nutritionstudies.org/provocations-dairy-protein-causes-cancer/


http://nutritionstudies.org/provocations-casein-carcinogen-really/





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Re: Living Healthy is Depressing
« Reply #38 on: Tue, 18 July 2017, 18:38:08 »
i'm waiting for the day when vegans die off

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« Reply #39 on: Tue, 18 July 2017, 19:22:03 »
Also, why would you want to live longer? tp is always saying how dull life is and he's always stressing about something small and how he doesn't make enough money. You really wanna do this for 60 more years? Granted things could improve, but it just feels like you need to get lucky when rolling your life stats or you just wind up alone in a job you hate making just enough to cover bills each month and barely any time for yourself. Sounds awful.

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« Reply #40 on: Tue, 18 July 2017, 19:44:05 »
Lentils my man

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Re: Living Healthy is Depressing
« Reply #41 on: Tue, 18 July 2017, 20:42:04 »
Also, why would you want to live longer? tp is always saying how dull life is and he's always stressing about something small and how he doesn't make enough money. You really wanna do this for 60 more years? Granted things could improve, but it just feels like you need to get lucky when rolling your life stats or you just wind up alone in a job you hate making just enough to cover bills each month and barely any time for yourself. Sounds awful.


hahahahaha..    I don't really care about the living longer part.


That is not my reason for going vegan..   As I've mentioned earlier.. the People Around me, Near my age,  have begun that dance with medication/ heart disease/ cancer /Diabetus.

And these are not super old people.. only 10 years older than you are turtle..


I've spent a bit of additional time in the hospital recently making all these trips,  and you walk past droves of people with the same diseases..   I don't want to be there..



That's why I've made the commitment..     The consequences don't feel real, because we avert our eyes each day, only looking at the good stuff..



But turn and look at the dark side for a moment,  and surely you will see that Tp4's not JUST crazy..   There is serious suffering down the road. and it is "AVOIDABLE" if we stop eating meat..


I'm not happy about it..  but what can i do.

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« Reply #42 on: Tue, 18 July 2017, 21:42:35 »
I'm 100% sure I'm gonna pay for my reckless lifestyle down the road. At this point I've corrupted the waters to the point that even doing a full 360 on my habits there would yet be irreparable damage regardless.

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« Reply #43 on: Tue, 18 July 2017, 21:45:04 »
dieting is one part of remaining healthy, go on runs at night and you will notice you will get happier, although it is addictive. i can't run anymore cause i lost my leg :(

Re: Living Healthy is Depressing
« Reply #44 on: Tue, 18 July 2017, 22:11:37 »
type 1 does not necessarily mean you produce no insulin whatsoever,

Your body still likely produces a small quantity.

So it is very possible for you to go into a vegan diet.

You're referring to the Honeymoon period. This is the beginning of what happens in Type 1 diabetes when you body is rejecting your own body. You have enough insulin-producing cells to maintain a small amount of control but it fades over time as your body kills these cells.
(https://beyondtype1.org/understanding-the-honeymoon-phase-in-type-1-diabetes/)

The issue would be the transition ,  because if you have been eating the American portion sizes of Animal products , meat, cheese, fish,   then your arteries and your muscles are laden with fat deposits.

Cholesterol is what clots arteries, but dietary cholesterol has not been shown to affect serum (blood) cholesterol. High cholesterol, particularly LDL tends to be hereditary and unaffected by diet. Although if you exercise with that diet you will see a reduction in your LDL. (https://health.clevelandclinic.org/2015/02/why-you-should-no-longer-worry-about-cholesterol-in-food/)

This makes you fundamentally MORE insulin resistant than you would've been , had a vegan 10% calories from fat diet been known to you sooner.

This is sorta true. Saturated fats DO increase insulin sensitivity, but so does a sedentary lifestyle. I haven't seen a study out yet that shows saturated fats increase sensitivity, but so do monosaturated fats, just not as greatly. My problem with this is, how greatly? Is it a 0.1% difference or a 5% difference? I haven't been able to find a study that has the methodology to impress me.

Depending on severity , you may always need external insulin,   but if you CONTINUE the (Paleo) with alot of meats and oils,   Your diabetes will only become more severe until you walk into dialysis and die a horrible death.

I will always need insulin. The Paleo style has been effective in reducing my HbA1C and ultimately improving my overall health. I can't argue that the vegan lifestyle isn't healthy, but I also do not believe it is any better or life-prolonging than the Paleo or any other diet that promotes avoidance of refined sugars, carbohydrates and vegetable and hydrogenated oils.

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« Reply #45 on: Tue, 18 July 2017, 22:11:52 »
I'm 100% sure I'm gonna pay for my reckless lifestyle down the road. At this point I've corrupted the waters to the point that even doing a full 360 on my habits there would yet be irreparable damage regardless.

Well..   we're not super sure how a vegan diet would affect cancer if  you've already GOT IT..     Going vegan significantly slows the rate of cancer cell growth..    However,  if you've already got a giant colony of it,   there is such a thing as too late..


But  going vegan , 10% calories from fat,  Stops and REVERSES congestive heart disease..   this is a 100% guaranteed..  20 years of trials on patients with TERMINAL heart disease.  The ones that followed the program all survived living 10 to 15 more years than they should've,   while the majority of those who dropped out of the program are dead..

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« Reply #46 on: Tue, 18 July 2017, 22:40:27 »
I'm 100% sure I'm gonna pay for my reckless lifestyle down the road. At this point I've corrupted the waters to the point that even doing a full 360 on my habits there would yet be irreparable damage regardless.

Well..   we're not super sure how a vegan diet would affect cancer if  you've already GOT IT..     Going vegan significantly slows the rate of cancer cell growth..    However,  if you've already got a giant colony of it,   there is such a thing as too late..


But  going vegan , 10% calories from fat,  Stops and REVERSES congestive heart disease..   this is a 100% guaranteed..  20 years of trials on patients with TERMINAL heart disease.  The ones that followed the program all survived living 10 to 15 more years than they should've,   while the majority of those who dropped out of the program are dead..

I'm sorry, but this is not correct. Cancer cells grow at innate rates determined by their DNA, they use ATP just like every other cell in your body. That ATP can come from soy beans, milk or dog feces, but s'long as you give that cancer its ATP it'll grow at its fastest rate. The rate limiting factor is in its ability to reproduce. Vegetables don't pick and choose what cells they feed.

As for stopping or reversing congestive heart failure, this is false. A low-fat diet will help reduce the incidence of acute heart failure, but will not reverse the disease. Acute heart failure can be reversed, but that is because the heart is only "stunned" and not permanently injured. In chronic heart failure, part of the heart is not functioning at all due to scarring or death. No diet can cause dead cells to suddenly come back to life. A healthy lifestyle change certainly will help prevent further decompensation, but it will not cure the disease.

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« Reply #47 on: Tue, 18 July 2017, 22:56:30 »


I'm sorry, but this is not correct. Cancer cells grow at innate rates determined by their DNA, they use ATP just like every other cell in your body. That ATP can come from soy beans, milk or dog feces, but s'long as you give that cancer its ATP it'll grow at its fastest rate. The rate limiting factor is in its ability to reproduce. Vegetables don't pick and choose what cells they feed.

As for stopping or reversing congestive heart failure, this is false. A low-fat diet will help reduce the incidence of acute heart failure, but will not reverse the disease. Acute heart failure can be reversed, but that is because the heart is only "stunned" and not permanently injured. In chronic heart failure, part of the heart is not functioning at all due to scarring or death. No diet can cause dead cells to suddenly come back to life. A healthy lifestyle change certainly will help prevent further decompensation, but it will not cure the disease.

Centropyge loriculus..

Your information is out of date.

Dr. Esselstyn, cleveland clinic and Dr. Ornish ,  have both over the past 20 years conducted experiments of 100% vegan diet @ 10% fat, and they've successfully arrested and Reversed Heart disease in all of their patients who stuck with their diet program.


Both these doctors are also advisors to bill clinton after his open heart.. So they're vetted and legit.



As far as Cancer goes..   Colin T Campbell, author of -the china study- , and former NIH funded researcher, conducted experiments using Casein (milk) protein.


Going from 20% to 5% protein in the diet, prevented the Development of cancer from aflatoxin. aflatoxin is one of the most powerful known carcinogens.


Animal protein is highly carcinogenic not in that it Creates the cancer,  however, its composition greatly enhances the growth rate of most cancer cells..  We are ourselves Full of micro cancerous tumors, but they normally do not become cancer.. Except in the presence of an accelerant.



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« Reply #48 on: Tue, 18 July 2017, 23:08:36 »
For example.. In the west,  every woman lives in fear of breast cancer..

Yet in societies around the world where they eat significantly less meat,   breast cancer is unheard of..



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« Reply #49 on: Wed, 19 July 2017, 08:58:53 »
What about plant fats?  What if I drink cans of coconut milk and eat several avocados a day?

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« Reply #50 on: Wed, 19 July 2017, 09:29:13 »
What about plant fats?  What if I drink cans of coconut milk and eat several avocados a day?


The average american is eating somewhere between 70 grams to 100 grams of fat per day TOTAL,  this includes all fats, meats + added cooking oil.


At 9 calories per gram, that is 630 to 900 calories.   which is 32% to 45% of daily calories.



Removing all meats in the diet,   you WILL BEAT the Cancer,   as the protein composition and fats from meat and milk, is a cancer growth accelerant.


Your question is,   If we still eat 70 to 100grams of PLANT fats per day,   is that enough..


Doing that , you will win on the cancer,  but you are still guaranteed to develop Heart disease/ diabetus/ dementia/ erectile disfunction.


The ONLY current known and TESTED ratio of fats which grants you 0% risk of congestive heart disease is 10% (2000 calorie diet) or ~22g per day total fat consumption.


Places on earth, where large groups of people live and die Absent heart disease all eat approximately this ratio or less of fats.






Attempting the 10% on a diet which INCLUDES meat is not practical.. doing the math,  that's 73 grams of meat, approximately 4x chicken nuggets, NOT fried of course.. hahhahaha..

there's no point to even try really,   unless you want to eat just 1 chicken nugget a day,  saving the other 3x nugget oils for veggie stirfry.



If you have the mental fortitude to eat 1x chicken nuggets a day..  you're Jesus Christ..  I'd like to talk to you about my sins..

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« Reply #51 on: Wed, 19 July 2017, 09:33:13 »
Living healthy is living.

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« Reply #52 on: Wed, 19 July 2017, 09:58:59 »
Living healthy is living.

Modern economic and social organization reduces the majority of humans to one track occupations.


So it's not an accident that people working a monotonous routine eventually enter into highly Concentrated and Rapid forms of entertainment and indulgences.


Eating fatty foods, Drinking, Sex, Drugs..   

These activities are popular because the Pleasure derived from them comes with a much lower relative time-cost.

Time being the most precious, as we've clocked and sold over most of our time to the Machine known as (Humanity)..





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« Reply #53 on: Wed, 19 July 2017, 10:13:46 »
inb4 ebola and dies next week

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« Reply #54 on: Wed, 19 July 2017, 10:23:50 »
inb4 ebola and dies next week


Hahahahahahahhaha


hahahahahahhahahhahahaha


yea.. the majority of those scary infections come from consuming contaminated meat..



And rest assure ALL MEAT is highly contaminated, because in recent years, the productivity push has forced manufacturers to increase LINE SPEED.


That is the rate at which the slaughtering is done.



Because a huge portion of this process is actually done manually,    Workers don't have the time to do it cautiously, and end up getting the Animal's Fecal matter All over the meat..



They wash it,   and it looks nice in the packaging,  but it's actually Covered in microscopic ****.. (some of which contains ebola).



The main danger of eating the **** contaminated meat is that  there now exist a huge number of infectious bacteria which is NOT killed by cooking.

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« Reply #55 on: Wed, 19 July 2017, 11:44:18 »
inb4 ebola and dies next week

The main danger of eating the **** contaminated meat is that  there now exist a huge number of infectious bacteria which is NOT killed by cooking.

The only bacteria found in food that is not killed by the temp of boiling water is botulism.  And even then only the spores survive.  The toxin itself is inactivated at rapidly at 80°C, the bacteria itself killed at 70°C for 2 minutes and the spores for off at 121°C.

Also, you are speaking out your backside with most of your conviction on this topic.  Next to nothing in the world of medicine deals with absolutes. 

I would also like to point out that the vast majority of Salmonella infections come from fresh produce, not meats.
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« Reply #56 on: Wed, 19 July 2017, 12:00:34 »
inb4 ebola and dies next week

The main danger of eating the **** contaminated meat is that  there now exist a huge number of infectious bacteria which is NOT killed by cooking.

The only bacteria found in food that is not killed by the temp of boiling water is botulism.  And even then only the spores survive.  The toxin itself is inactivated at rapidly at 80°C, the bacteria itself killed at 70°C for 2 minutes and the spores for off at 121°C.
 
Next to nothing in the world of medicine deals with absolutes. 

I would also like to point out that the vast majority of Salmonella infections come from fresh produce, not meats.



The main contributor to the heavy concentration of bacteria surround meat is  factory farming.


Factory farming inherently puts space at a premium.   What happens when you concentrate thousands of animals together,  They get SICK..


Now you got all these sick animals,  what do you do,   shoot them full of antibiotics.    Over the course of years,  we've continuously used antibiotics down the line..  even 5 years ago, we've already reached the very last line of antibiotics.

Shooting all the meat up with this stuff breeds resistance,   and there has already been numerous reports that meat in the USA has also contracted/breed  bacteria resistant to last line of antibiotics..



As far as cooking goes.. cooking never kills 100% of the bacteria to begin with,  it reduces it to a quantity that can be safely handled by your immune system.


The problem with meat, here is that ontop of new breeds of bacteria (some unkillable by conventional cooking)  now couples with an environment which has a high probability of giving them antibiotic resistence.

You have a very potent problem..



You eat this meat..  you're fine for now,   but down the line, if you are befallen some sickness which weakens your immune system.. The resistent strain which now exists in your gut might multiply out of control,  and there's NOTHING that can save you, because it's resistent to last line antibiotics.

 

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« Reply #57 on: Wed, 19 July 2017, 12:03:28 »
And it's not just about cooking..



The contamination means that  the meat BEFORE it's cooked is full of the bacteria..   The bacteria is still alive and has been multiplying and creating toxin for WEEKS inside the meat, before you actually BUY and cook the meat..


These toxins are NOT removed or broken down by cooking..

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« Reply #58 on: Wed, 19 July 2017, 12:14:59 »
And it's not just about cooking..



The contamination means that  the meat BEFORE it's cooked is full of the bacteria..   The bacteria is still alive and has been multiplying and creating toxin for WEEKS inside the meat, before you actually BUY and cook the meat..


These toxins are NOT removed or broken down by cooking..

You clearly have little understanding of science. 
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« Reply #59 on: Wed, 19 July 2017, 12:17:17 »
And it's not just about cooking..



The contamination means that  the meat BEFORE it's cooked is full of the bacteria..   The bacteria is still alive and has been multiplying and creating toxin for WEEKS inside the meat, before you actually BUY and cook the meat..


These toxins are NOT removed or broken down by cooking..

You clearly have little understanding of science. 

hahaha.

Mel, you're really reaching here.. I know you want to believe you haven't been poisoning yourself

But I'm there with you man..  I ate the same stuff you ate..



And Heck,  it's Decidedly OK for the most part, because you do get to live -large up until the heart disease and cancer..




But please don't ignore the science,  read some stuff past the first few pages of google.

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« Reply #60 on: Wed, 19 July 2017, 12:18:56 »
Mel, you're really reaching here.. I know you want to believe you haven't been poisoning yourself the wife and the kids..

That's low...

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TP4 I'm eating a salad for lunch.

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« Reply #62 on: Wed, 19 July 2017, 12:22:44 »
eat several avocados a day

How will you ever save up for a house like that?!?

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« Reply #63 on: Wed, 19 July 2017, 12:22:48 »
Mel, you're really reaching here.. I know you want to believe you haven't been poisoning yourself the wife and the kids..

That's low...


I apologize for my wording..  but I stand by the content.

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« Reply #64 on: Wed, 19 July 2017, 12:23:45 »
TP4 I'm eating a salad for lunch.

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with or without cheeese.. !! ?

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« Reply #65 on: Wed, 19 July 2017, 12:23:57 »
eat several avocados a day

How will you ever save up for a house like that?!?

duh. stop buying iphones  :p

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« Reply #66 on: Wed, 19 July 2017, 12:26:50 »
Let's put the science more simply..


1/3 americans   heart disease

1/3 americans   cancer




If you eat 'Murican.   lots of meat,  cholesterol 150+,   what are your odds..

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« Reply #67 on: Wed, 19 July 2017, 12:26:52 »
TP4 I'm eating a salad for lunch.

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« Reply #68 on: Wed, 19 July 2017, 12:29:50 »
TP4 I'm eating a salad for lunch.

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« Reply #69 on: Wed, 19 July 2017, 12:47:02 »
Mel, you're really reaching here.. I know you want to believe you haven't been poisoning yourself the wife and the kids..

That's low...


I apologize for my wording..  but I stand by the content.

My comment about your apparent lack of understanding with regards to science in the realm of food was directed mostly toward your comment that cooking food doesn't kill harmful bacteria and the toxins they produce. 

Besides even if it didn't, how will your immune system function if you deny stuff to practice on.  Hell this is the main reason why doctors are now saying it is ok for kids to eat their boogers.  It gives their immune system stuff to practice on
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« Reply #70 on: Wed, 19 July 2017, 12:56:43 »

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There is NO shortage of viruses and bacteria to --Practice on--..   Most people you come across each day don't even shower..




EVEN if we assume practice bacteria might be a -good thing-..

Supplying it to children  with  the heart disease inducing fat content of Meat,  carcinogenic content of meat PROTEINS,  and fundamentally Addicting them to a taste for greasy foods  is certainly not the way to do it.

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« Reply #71 on: Wed, 19 July 2017, 12:59:05 »
ONTOP of that,  potentially exposing them to bacteria resistant to last line antibiotics..




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« Reply #72 on: Wed, 19 July 2017, 14:07:01 »
The biggest reason that bacteria have become resistant to antibiotics in the first-place is because of people who don't understand the differences between bacterial and viral infections and want antibiotics for the common cold and flu.

About red meat being a carcinogen.  http://www.who.int/features/qa/cancer-red-meat/en/

Not trying to say that diet doesn't effect these things, but chances are good that one breathes in more carcinogens simply walking around day to day than one recieves from eating red meats. 
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« Reply #73 on: Wed, 19 July 2017, 14:42:43 »
The biggest reason that bacteria have become resistant to antibiotics in the first-place is because of people who don't understand the differences between bacterial and viral infections and want antibiotics for the common cold and flu.

About red meat being a carcinogen.  http://www.who.int/features/qa/cancer-red-meat/en/

Not trying to say that diet doesn't effect these things, but chances are good that one breathes in more carcinogens simply walking around day to day than one recieves from eating red meats. 



Yes, antibiotic resistence is influenced BY poor medical practice..



However, The poorest practice BY FAR is use in factory farming.




Let me explain why..  FACTORY FARMING USES 70% OF ALL ANTIBIOTICS IN THE UNITED STATES.


Now,  would you like to tell us again how poor antibiotic practice -on humans- is the greatest cause of the current crisis. ? hahahaha.


We're injecting crowded, dirty animals,  often living together within inches of diseased and dead brethrens,   The majority of these animals HAVE CANCER btw..  but because they're fattened to slaughter within a short enough amount of time, they don't die of the cancer.


That is NOT Babe, the prized pig you're eating.. they'd like us to think that,  but no,  the majority of meat eaten, is elephant man + cancer + antibiotic resistance.







Meat consumption cultures have 5 times the cancer rate of Plant based cultures. Blue zone cultures.


The reasons I've mentioned previously, the protein profile of Animals,   accelerates cancer cell growth rate..


You already have cancer,   we are exposed to carcinogens every moment of every day. 


But the dna damage we receive , those cells, micro tumors do reproduce rapidly..   Put some milk and meat in there, and BOOM..  Breast cancer for all.



When they studied a spontaneous case of bowel cancer in the philipines, they found that aflatoxin was the cause, it was in their food grain supply.

Little kids , cancer..


However,  the Rich kids, ones who ate the best, had plenty of meat , plenty of milk, they were the ones with this full blown cancer,   while the poor kids in shambles were spared..


Aflatoxin caused dna damage,  the meat and milk grew the  damaged cells..







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« Reply #74 on: Wed, 19 July 2017, 15:54:23 »
The biggest reason that bacteria have become resistant to antibiotics in the first-place is because of people who don't understand the differences between bacterial and viral infections and want antibiotics for the common cold and flu.

About red meat being a carcinogen.  http://www.who.int/features/qa/cancer-red-meat/en/

Not trying to say that diet doesn't effect these things, but chances are good that one breathes in more carcinogens simply walking around day to day than one recieves from eating red meats. 



Yes, antibiotic resistence is influenced BY poor medical practice..



However, The poorest practice BY FAR is use in factory farming.




Let me explain why..  FACTORY FARMING USES 70% OF ALL ANTIBIOTICS IN THE UNITED STATES.


Now,  would you like to tell us again how poor antibiotic practice -on humans- is the greatest cause of the current crisis. ? hahahaha.



Try again

http://www.ahi.org/issues-advocacy/animal-antibiotics/fact-or-fiction-common-antibiotic-myths/

For all that you have been talking about it, it is impressive how uneducated you are in the area of medicine, farm medicine, and cancer.
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« Reply #75 on: Wed, 19 July 2017, 15:57:48 »

Try again

http://www.ahi.org/issues-advocacy/animal-antibiotics/fact-or-fiction-common-antibiotic-myths/

Did you even read the link?

hahaha

They specifically confirmed that 70% of ALL antibiotics used is On animals.


Antibiotics come into Classes,   even if that other half 35% are not directly the same ones used on humans,  resistance can still occur to the class.


Mel you've fallen for the trap of only reading meat industry backed drivel to confirm your biases.. hahaha

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« Reply #76 on: Wed, 19 July 2017, 16:00:09 »

Try again

http://www.ahi.org/issues-advocacy/animal-antibiotics/fact-or-fiction-common-antibiotic-myths/

Did you even read the link?

hahaha

They specifically confirmed that 70% of ALL antibiotics used is On animals.


Antibiotics come into Classes,   even if that other half 35% are not directly the same ones used on humans,  resistance can still occur to the class.


Mel you've fallen for the trap of only reading meat industry backed drivel to confirm your biases.. hahaha

Myth: “Food animals get 80% of the antibiotics used in the U.S. — mostly in ways that can lead to the growth of drug-resistant superbugs,” Reads one WebMD Health News article.  Since 2010, bloggers and the media quote 80% as the de facto number for antibiotic usage in animals.  80 percent is a nice big number, but it’s wrong and misleading, for several reasons.

Fact: This statistic has no foundation in fact, according to the Food and Drug Administration.

The 80 percent figure was deduced from comparing two sets of data that are not comparable. The number for animal use was collectively used a wholly different methodology than the estimate presented for human use. The first rule learned in Statistics 101 is if the data sets measure different universes in different ways, the data cannot be compared. FDA clearly warns against the comparability of the human and animal data in a letter to Congresswoman Louise Slaughter and in a caution on the FDA website.
In addition, 35 percent of the use attributed to animals are compounds not used in human medicine, thus having no potential for reducing the effectiveness of antibiotics used to treat human disease. The 35 percent is included by others only to inflate the animal use number and mislead readers.
One more fact: Most antibiotics used in animals are used for therapeutic purposes of treating, controlling and preventing disease. According to AHI data, in 2007 about 87 percent of all antibiotics used in animals were used for these therapeutic purposes.

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« Reply #77 on: Wed, 19 July 2017, 16:01:19 »
Mel, you've got a case of living under a rock..

You've surrounded yourself with --agreeable-- information to justify your lifestyle..



I think this is common ,  but really, you're only hurting yourself..

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« Reply #78 on: Wed, 19 July 2017, 16:02:57 »




70% of all antibiotics are used in animals,  this is a fact..

They've hinged onto the 35% not being direct composition as ones used on humans, 

And they're saying that's what caused the inflation of the number..


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« Reply #79 on: Wed, 19 July 2017, 16:05:09 »
Their explanation is that  the data is not comparable,  Not the fact that the QUANTITY of antibiotics used is wrong.  the quantity is correct.



70% of ALL antibiotics.

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« Reply #80 on: Wed, 19 July 2017, 16:07:16 »
In the spirit of the Salmonella discussion, how can we keep frogs and geckos from inhabiting the various plants we like to eat?

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« Reply #81 on: Wed, 19 July 2017, 16:08:38 »
Also   Mel,  come on ,  Animal Health Institute..

The Animal Health Institute (AHI) is a non-profit membership organization that represents companies with an interest in veterinary health.  Our members develop and produce the medicines that help pets live longer, healthier lives.  By keeping animals healthy, their medicines also help improve the health and well-being of humans and keep the food supply safe.



Non profit my ass,   you can tell right away this is a meat industry funded obfuscation site,   Notice they have the PRECISE links to rebuke meat industry controversies..

But very little actual content outside of,  they're liars don't believe them.

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« Reply #82 on: Wed, 19 July 2017, 16:11:11 »
In the spirit of the Salmonella discussion, how can we keep frogs and geckos from inhabiting the various plants we like to eat?


Hrrrmm..  Genetically modified Corn..  Problem Solved..

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« Reply #83 on: Wed, 19 July 2017, 16:14:15 »
In the spirit of the Salmonella discussion, how can we keep frogs and geckos from inhabiting the various plants we like to eat?


Hrrrmm..  Genetically modified Corn..  Problem Solved..

Corn is now a cactus. You're welcome spherical Earth.

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« Reply #84 on: Wed, 19 July 2017, 16:17:24 »
Just looked into this Adam Croglia,  he's the main poster and admin of that AHI site..   his background advertising..


Clearly meat industry hired this dude to obfuscate meat controversial information.

And they seem to only post news about USDA and how USDA is great..


USDA is what's killing everyone with beef..



Mel, you gotta learn to read between the lines on this stuff.

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« Reply #85 on: Wed, 19 July 2017, 16:35:43 »
TP, let's be miserable together, I've been working out more and eating healthy and I'm miserable too. Thinking about doing some black tar heroin.. :D

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« Reply #86 on: Wed, 19 July 2017, 16:36:45 »
TP, let's be miserable together, I've been working out more and eating healthy and I'm miserable too. Thinking about doing some black tar heroin.. :D

Don't bother with black tar.

Fentanyl is much cheaper and better.

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« Reply #87 on: Wed, 19 July 2017, 16:40:38 »
oh cool, good looking out!

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« Reply #88 on: Wed, 19 July 2017, 16:43:06 »
oh cool, good looking out!

Meth is probably much more fun though.. gotta ask halverson.

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« Reply #89 on: Wed, 19 July 2017, 16:44:48 »
oh cool, good looking out!

Meth is probably much more fun though.. gotta ask halverson.

LOL, yea I'm pretty sure he sold his cat for some meth last time I spoke with him. It's a really hard habit to break.

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« Reply #90 on: Wed, 19 July 2017, 16:46:32 »

LOL, yea I'm pretty sure he sold his cat for some meth last time I spoke with him. It's a really hard habit to break.

what's the rate on meth per cat these days..

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« Reply #91 on: Wed, 19 July 2017, 16:48:21 »

LOL, yea I'm pretty sure he sold his cat for some meth last time I spoke with him. It's a really hard habit to break.

what's the rate on meth per cat these days..

I think it's 1:10, one cat for 10 baggies.. (last time I traded my cat in anyways)

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« Reply #92 on: Wed, 19 July 2017, 16:49:16 »
Sounds like when I was younger and use to sell my gaming consoles for skateboard decks. The Same loss of teeth if you're not careful #skateboardingisadrug

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« Reply #93 on: Wed, 19 July 2017, 16:51:23 »
Sounds like when I was younger and use to sell my gaming consoles for skateboard decks. The Same loss of teeth if you're not careful #skateboardingisadrug

tried skatebard once, fell ,  never agani.

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« Reply #94 on: Wed, 19 July 2017, 18:07:43 »
Sounds like when I was younger and use to sell my gaming consoles for skateboard decks. The Same loss of teeth if you're not careful #skateboardingisadrug

tried skatebard once, fell ,  never agani.

causes cancer of the teeth and ear drum
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« Reply #95 on: Wed, 19 July 2017, 18:19:29 »
Sounds like when I was younger and use to sell my gaming consoles for skateboard decks. The Same loss of teeth if you're not careful #skateboardingisadrug

tried skatebard once, fell ,  never agani.

causes cancer of the teeth and ear drum

And people that skate that say they don't like to fall are lying. It's like going out to get a tattoo sans the tattoo ink.

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« Reply #96 on: Wed, 19 July 2017, 19:42:34 »
Had KFC for lunch today, it was delicious and my shirt still smells like fried chicken 6hrs later.

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« Reply #97 on: Wed, 19 July 2017, 19:50:53 »
Had KFC for lunch today, it was delicious and my shirt still smells like fried chicken 6hrs later.

I want to lick your shirt

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« Reply #98 on: Wed, 19 July 2017, 20:15:44 »
Had KFC for lunch today, it was delicious and my shirt still smells like fried chicken 6hrs later.

I want to lick your shirt

misread that the first time

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« Reply #99 on: Wed, 19 July 2017, 21:17:58 »
The only thing that gets me with healthy living is having to avoid alcohol.  I like many alcoholic beverages, but they aren't healthy.
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« Reply #100 on: Thu, 20 July 2017, 01:52:34 »
The only thing that gets me with healthy living is having to avoid alcohol.  I like many alcoholic beverages, but they aren't healthy.


Alcohol addiction kills..


But we know now...  Meat- addiction kills way way more people than EVERY OTHER ADDICTION COMBINED....


In fact it kills roughly 2 out of 3 people in America..   taking approximately 10 years off each of their life span,   and gifting them with 15 years worth of suffering BEFORE they even get to die..

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« Reply #101 on: Thu, 20 July 2017, 12:58:16 »
The only thing that gets me with healthy living is having to avoid alcohol.  I like many alcoholic beverages, but they aren't healthy.


Alcohol addiction kills..


But we know now...  Meat- addiction kills way way more people than EVERY OTHER ADDICTION COMBINED....


In fact it kills roughly 2 out of 3 people in America..   taking approximately 10 years off each of their life span,   and gifting them with 15 years worth of suffering BEFORE they even get to die..

Again, more falsehoods. Your sciences are cherry-picked and ignore the real data of the high-quality trials and research. You try using scare tactics like politicians and religious zealots.

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« Reply #102 on: Thu, 20 July 2017, 13:12:46 »
i'm honestly surprised tp didn't become a vegan zealot sooner

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« Reply #103 on: Thu, 20 July 2017, 14:11:53 »
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« Reply #104 on: Thu, 20 July 2017, 15:55:29 »


That's just a caricature of Vegans..

There are very few vegans that are like that in real life..


Even then, just because certain vegan -- PEOPLE--  are dumb,   doesn't mean the veggie diet is wrong.



However silly these people are,   they're at least doing the food thing correctly..

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« Reply #105 on: Thu, 20 July 2017, 16:08:16 »
The only thing that gets me with healthy living is having to avoid alcohol.  I like many alcoholic beverages, but they aren't healthy.


Alcohol addiction kills..


But we know now...  Meat- addiction kills way way more people than EVERY OTHER ADDICTION COMBINED....


In fact it kills roughly 2 out of 3 people in America..   taking approximately 10 years off each of their life span,   and gifting them with 15 years worth of suffering BEFORE they even get to die..

Again, more falsehoods. Your sciences are cherry-picked and ignore the real data of the high-quality trials and research. You try using scare tactics like politicians and religious zealots.



hahaha..  My science..

This isn't my science,  this is just what's happening right in front of you..


Smoking probably looked pretty damn normal too when everyone smoked..


Take a good look around. 73% of americans are overweight.. 

 
1/3 has cancer 1/3 has heart disease.

Heart disease and Cancers account for slightly less than 50% of all deaths. that's 1 in 2 people die directly from either heart or cancer problems.


Now,  go to rural Africa,  places where people simply don't eat like we do..   EVEN AGE ADJUSTED, as in we count deaths of all people who live to the approximate same age,   NONE OF THEM died of Heartdisease,  NONE of the autopsy revealed any signs of atherosclerosis.

-- How many of their women have breast cancer,   again 0....  what ?  the pink ribbon disease terrifying all american women is non-existent in rural africa ?



So then they go, wtf,  how come only americans get this ..


These people eat nearly 100% of their calories from plants,  ..   What sort of plants, wheat and barley..


Higher than 22grams of ANY fats  per day will give you heart disease..

the Protein in meats, the hormones, the chemical coctail they inject the livestock with and put in their feed,   THIS STUFF is the cancer.




Now diabetes..   Asian populations pre-industrial ate ~ 90% of calories from RICE..    If sugar caused diabetes,  how the heck did these dudes have 0x diabetes..


South Korea (good korea),  these dudes had a fairly healthy population when they were poor as hell..  Then samsung and lg and kpop,  and boom..   What happend,   Their meat consumption went up 837%..     

---  Guess what,  now they' lead the way in colon cancers also.. hahahahahaha

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« Reply #107 on: Sat, 22 July 2017, 05:39:27 »
i'm honestly surprised tp didn't become a vegan zealot sooner


Recommend everyone give it a Serious-Try..


What we know about --food consumption-- as is, modern hyperpalatable foods are as addicting as smoking/drinking/sex.


How many people have That list of things under control..  pretty much nobody..



But the consequences are very clear..  you will get heart disease / cancer/ diabetes/ dementia eating NORMALLY..


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« Reply #108 on: Sun, 23 July 2017, 17:26:12 »
Living healthy is an all encompassing lifestyle...food, sleep, exercise, mental outlook, relationships, lifestyle, all facets. Any other those out of whack affects other aspects. Hyperfocusing on one thing rarely achieves the overall results needed for a healthy lifestyle.  It's important to share a support system and be held accountable.
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« Reply #109 on: Sun, 23 July 2017, 17:49:55 »
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What we know about --food consumption-- as is, modern hyperpalatable foods are as addicting as smoking/drinking/sex.



So true. I've tried going without sugar, and when I say without I mean Zero, nilche, nada sugar. After only a day or two I started feeling withdrawal-like symptoms similar to that of nicotine (as a former smoker myself). My wife and I have been slowly working toward a whole-food, plant-based diet and it is rough at times. For me it's just tough feeling full without having to eat every 2-3 hours. Nuts definitely help with that satiated feeling, beans as well help. The biggest struggle we've had is just figuring out new recipes that don't include "normal" American ingredients. But, it has been totally worth it so far. My wife has lost weight and, although no weight loss has happened for me yet, I've noticed feeling more energized during the day which is a nice change from the postprandial sleepiness that plagued me for years.

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« Reply #110 on: Sun, 23 July 2017, 21:00:52 »
Living healthy is an all encompassing lifestyle...food, sleep, exercise, mental outlook, relationships, lifestyle, all facets. Any other those out of whack affects other aspects. Hyperfocusing on one thing rarely achieves the overall results needed for a healthy lifestyle.  It's important to share a support system and be held accountable.



One of the main proponents behind 10% calories from fat, 100% plant based,    emphasizes that if anyone's looking to do this,  they should focus on the eating first,   because there's really only so much will power..


And quitting ultra-delicious greasy foods is going to consume A great deal of it..   So it may not even be possible to fix so many things at once ontop of the healthy food choice.

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« Reply #111 on: Sun, 23 July 2017, 21:03:04 »
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What we know about --food consumption-- as is, modern hyperpalatable foods are as addicting as smoking/drinking/sex.



So true. I've tried going without sugar, and when I say without I mean Zero, nilche, nada sugar. After only a day or two I started feeling withdrawal-like symptoms similar to that of nicotine (as a former smoker myself). My wife and I have been slowly working toward a whole-food, plant-based diet and it is rough at times. For me it's just tough feeling full without having to eat every 2-3 hours. Nuts definitely help with that satiated feeling, beans as well help. The biggest struggle we've had is just figuring out new recipes that don't include "normal" American ingredients. But, it has been totally worth it so far. My wife has lost weight and, although no weight loss has happened for me yet, I've noticed feeling more energized during the day which is a nice change from the postprandial sleepiness that plagued me for years.



The main struggle i think will be  Oil.

It takes upwards of 3 weeks to 2 months for synaptic pathways to wind down..


Oil is very tough to avoid completely, because greasy food is everywhere.. 


Every other day , Tp4 comes across free pizza / hotdogs/ subs..

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« Reply #112 on: Sun, 23 July 2017, 21:05:42 »
Willpower is a poor mechanism to rely on.
Habit changing is considered the new model to follow.
After a few weeks of no greasy food, it doesn't taste good anymore.
After a period of time, I'm not sure how long, once you greatly diminish the sugar intake. You cease to crave it. Cravings kill.

Having a support system, routine, being held accountable, all contribute to success.
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« Reply #113 on: Mon, 24 July 2017, 18:00:07 »
Having a support system, routine, being held accountable, all contribute to success.

My support system is called crack cocaine. I'm never tired and I can workout without eating any food.. :)

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« Reply #114 on: Mon, 24 July 2017, 18:04:31 »
Having a support system, routine, being held accountable, all contribute to success.

My support system is called crack cocaine. I'm never tired and I can workout without eating any food.. :)

/Secrets revealed..


Most cocaine people get pretty skinny over time.   because they begin associating pleasure and motivation so closely with cocaine,  that they no longer care about  food.    They see food as only a component which allows them to do more cocaine.


THis happens with all drugs.. the harder the drug,  the faster it happens.

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They see food as only a component which allows them to do more cocaine.

LOL...man I wish I had some more food.. so I could do more cocaine.

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« Reply #116 on: Mon, 24 July 2017, 19:11:14 »
Having a support system, routine, being held accountable, all contribute to success.

My support system is called crack cocaine. I'm never tired and I can workout without eating any food.. :)
Great for weight loss!
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« Reply #117 on: Mon, 24 July 2017, 19:43:06 »
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hahaha..  My science..

This isn't my science,  this is just what's happening right in front of you..


Smoking probably looked pretty damn normal too when everyone smoked..


Take a good look around. 73% of americans are overweight.. 

 
1/3 has cancer 1/3 has heart disease.

Heart disease and Cancers account for slightly less than 50% of all deaths. that's 1 in 2 people die directly from either heart or cancer problems.


Now,  go to rural Africa,  places where people simply don't eat like we do..   EVEN AGE ADJUSTED, as in we count deaths of all people who live to the approximate same age,   NONE OF THEM died of Heartdisease,  NONE of the autopsy revealed any signs of atherosclerosis.

-- How many of their women have breast cancer,   again 0....  what ?  the pink ribbon disease terrifying all american women is non-existent in rural africa ?



So then they go, wtf,  how come only americans get this ..


These people eat nearly 100% of their calories from plants,  ..   What sort of plants, wheat and barley..


Higher than 22grams of ANY fats  per day will give you heart disease..

the Protein in meats, the hormones, the chemical coctail they inject the livestock with and put in their feed,   THIS STUFF is the cancer.




Now diabetes..   Asian populations pre-industrial ate ~ 90% of calories from RICE..    If sugar caused diabetes,  how the heck did these dudes have 0x diabetes..


South Korea (good korea),  these dudes had a fairly healthy population when they were poor as hell..  Then samsung and lg and kpop,  and boom..   What happend,   Their meat consumption went up 837%..     

---  Guess what,  now they' lead the way in colon cancers also.. hahahahahaha

Mind posting your evidence?

As for all of your population studies you like to poke at. You should read their discussion section as they will regularly point out that you can't prove anything with this crap, low-powered oberservation studies. You can infer, and even then you can't get more than a small step towards the junk you're trying to sling now. I've been reading that nutritionfacts.org and the studies are either underpowered, statistically weak or he cherry picked two groups of three to compared instead of all three which shows his bias view is either not strong enough to hold water, or just as good as a well-balanced diet currently approved by the ADA, FDA and AMA. Now you can call me a meat pusher, but I've got no skin in the game while this half-wit is paying himself through his own charity. He says he puts all his money back into the charity of his own making. So that means there's a good chance he's collecting a tax-exempt salary.

When I'm near my computer at home , I'll do my best to show you why his science is ****. I don't disagree a vegan diet is healthy, but it ain't the snake oil cure you're pushing it as.

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« Reply #119 on: Mon, 24 July 2017, 20:34:29 »

When I'm near my computer at home , I'll do my best to show you why his science is ****. I don't disagree a vegan diet is healthy, but it ain't the snake oil cure you're pushing it as.


It's not about any ONE study..

You're going to find holes if you look for them..   Climate change, it's so easy to find holes..  But take the evidence in totality, and  it's pretty clear that it's happening.


So what do we know.

Experiments in cancer implanted mice, 

5% casein (milk) protein diet, low rates of cancer growth, 50% survival.
20% casein (milk) protein diet, high rates of cancer growth, 0% survival, all died from cancer.

20% protein diet, high rates of growth, switch to 5% , rates reduce,  switch to 20% rates increase again.



7th day aventist California, groups eating nearly 100% plant based diet,  low rates of heart disease/ cancer/ dementia / diabetes stroke

Old days Okinawan (pre- KFC era), 96% plant based diet, low rates of heart disease/ cancer/ dementia / diabetes stroke


Modern South Korea,  past 10 years, meat consumption increased 837%,  World leader in bowel/intestinal cancer.


Tibet,  heavy smokers, NO MEAT, low fat diet,   respiratory disorder late life,  0% heart disease..


China, past 20 years,  240 MILLION diabetics ..    These guys ate nothing but rice up until their new industrial era, NO DIABETES,  it was a very rare disease..     Then came the western high fat, high meats diet, and ta-da..



And America..  1 in 3 people have heart disease,   WHY ..  when other people don't have this problem.

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« Reply #120 on: Mon, 24 July 2017, 20:43:42 »

When I'm near my computer at home , I'll do my best to show you why his science is ****. I don't disagree a vegan diet is healthy, but it ain't the snake oil cure you're pushing it as.


It's not about any ONE study..

You're going to find holes if you look for them..   Climate change, it's so easy to find holes..  But take the evidence in totality, and  it's pretty clear that it's happening.


So what do we know.

Experiments in cancer implanted mice, 

5% casein (milk) protein diet, low rates of cancer growth, 50% survival.
20% casein (milk) protein diet, high rates of cancer growth, 0% survival, all died from cancer.

20% protein diet, high rates of growth, switch to 5% , rates reduce,  switch to 20% rates increase again.



7th day aventist California, groups eating nearly 100% plant based diet,  low rates of heart disease/ cancer/ dementia / diabetes stroke

Old days Okinawan (pre- KFC era), 96% plant based diet, low rates of heart disease/ cancer/ dementia / diabetes stroke


Modern South Korea,  past 10 years, meat consumption increased 837%,  World leader in bowel/intestinal cancer.


Tibet,  heavy smokers, NO MEAT, low fat diet,   respiratory disorder late life,  0% heart disease..


China, past 20 years,  240 MILLION diabetics ..    These guys ate nothing but rice up until their new industrial era, NO DIABETES,  it was a very rare disease..     Then came the western high fat, high meats diet, and ta-da..

Again, population studies that typically fail to deal with confounding problem of incidence vs prevalence when technology can better detect these diseases. Cancer isn't a modern thing, it just is easier to detect. Now, if we consider today's detection equipment versuses detection equipment used prior to the study, well, your numbers might not be as big, probably a whole heck smaller.

And I apologize for cursing. I get a bit riled with people abusing statistics for secondary gain.

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« Reply #121 on: Mon, 24 July 2017, 20:45:55 »
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« Reply #122 on: Mon, 24 July 2017, 20:50:38 »

Again, population studies that typically fail to deal with confounding problem of incidence vs prevalence when technology can better detect these diseases. Cancer isn't a modern thing, it just is easier to detect. Now, if we consider today's detection equipment versuses detection equipment used prior to the study, well, your numbers might not be as big, probably a whole heck smaller.

And I apologize for cursing. I get a bit riled with people abusing statistics for secondary gain.



I assure you , the only people having a secondary gain  is the meat peddlers, who also own the company making heart stents..


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« Reply #123 on: Mon, 24 July 2017, 20:50:39 »
I did a gram of quality blow over a period of 2 weeks and it was AWESOME!
I LOVED IT!

Then I thought....maybe I shouldn't do this anymore....
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« Reply #124 on: Mon, 24 July 2017, 21:42:51 »

Again, population studies that typically fail to deal with confounding problem of incidence vs prevalence when technology can better detect these diseases. Cancer isn't a modern thing, it just is easier to detect. Now, if we consider today's detection equipment versuses detection equipment used prior to the study, well, your numbers might not be as big, probably a whole heck smaller.

And I apologize for cursing. I get a bit riled with people abusing statistics for secondary gain.



I assure you , the only people having a secondary gain  is the meat peddlers, who also own the company making heart stents..

And the Doc who wants to get paid for speaking events and donations.

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« Reply #125 on: Mon, 24 July 2017, 22:40:06 »
I did a gram of quality blow over a period of 2 weeks and it was AWESOME!
I LOVED IT!

Then I thought....maybe I shouldn't do this anymore....
Haha yeah if you enjoy it TOO much that might be a sign to be careful with it. :))

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« Reply #126 on: Mon, 24 July 2017, 22:44:54 »
Heh.
Had a BLAST!
Dudes tearing it up, super-social, in/out of country, living large, had a "secret", eating great food and drinking with fun peeps, extra swag in the step, doing it all.  All the normal fun stuff with an extra added  "zippy-perk".
No complaints.

That is all.
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« Reply #127 on: Mon, 24 July 2017, 22:52:16 »
Heh.
Had a BLAST!
Dudes tearing it up, super-social, in/out of country, living large, had a "secret", eating great food and drinking with fun peeps, extra swag in the step, doing it all.  All the normal fun stuff with an extra added  "zippy-perk".
No complaints.

That is all.
I'm still going to steer clear. :)) I simply don't have the balls to try out anything harder than weed.

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« Reply #128 on: Tue, 25 July 2017, 07:26:48 »
Heh.
Had a BLAST!
Dudes tearing it up, super-social, in/out of country, living large, had a "secret", eating great food and drinking with fun peeps, extra swag in the step, doing it all.  All the normal fun stuff with an extra added  "zippy-perk".
No complaints.

That is all.
I'm still going to steer clear. :)) I simply don't have the balls to try out anything harder than weed.

I've tried most of the drugs. Weed is the only one I still do. Well, very occasionally MDMA, coke and/or ketamine... maybe mushrooms.. but weed is the only one that you can combine effectively with films and videogames, so it wins.

I recommend trying everything though, it's all good fun, apart from little the horrible bits.

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« Reply #129 on: Tue, 25 July 2017, 08:05:17 »
I've tried most of the drugs. Weed is the only one I still do. Well, very occasionally MDMA, coke and/or ketamine... maybe mushrooms.. but weed is the only one that you can combine effectively with films and videogames, so it wins.

I recommend trying everything though, it's all good fun, apart from little the horrible bits.
Damn dude.
I just don't have the desire to try out anything harder. Also: those little horrible bits are the ones I'm worried about. Not all the fun things.

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I've tried most of the drugs. Weed is the only one I still do. Well, very occasionally MDMA, coke and/or ketamine... maybe mushrooms.. but weed is the only one that you can combine effectively with films and videogames, so it wins.

I recommend trying everything though, it's all good fun, apart from little the horrible bits.
Damn dude.
I just don't have the desire to try out anything harder. Also: those little horrible bits are the ones I'm worried about. Not all the fun things.

Fair enough. It's funny cos I've got friends who would take anything but steer clear of weed cos it made them paranoid. Different strokes though eh. For me, weed can be a bit insidious because it's possible to smoke everyday and get on with your life and not think much of it, then you turn around in ten years and go oh **** maybe I should've done something more productive, whereas something like ketamine you'd just do once in a while, or at least just at weekends, so while it might be more pyschedelic in the moment, the long term impact is probably a lot smaller (this same logic is why I stopped drinking booze). Some people are really productive whilst stoned though, or at least able to control their habit, so each to their own. If I buy weed I smoke it at every opportunity until it's all gone.  :D

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« Reply #131 on: Tue, 25 July 2017, 08:43:47 »
I've tried most of the drugs. Weed is the only one I still do. Well, very occasionally MDMA, coke and/or ketamine... maybe mushrooms.. but weed is the only one that you can combine effectively with films and videogames, so it wins.

I recommend trying everything though, it's all good fun, apart from little the horrible bits.
Damn dude.
I just don't have the desire to try out anything harder. Also: those little horrible bits are the ones I'm worried about. Not all the fun things.

Fair enough. It's funny cos I've got friends who would take anything but steer clear of weed cos it made them paranoid. Different strokes though eh. For me, weed can be a bit insidious because it's possible to smoke everyday and get on with your life and not think much of it, then you turn around in ten years and go oh **** maybe I should've done something more productive, whereas something like ketamine you'd just do once in a while, or at least just at weekends, so while it might be more pyschedelic in the moment, the long term impact is probably a lot smaller (this same logic is why I stopped drinking booze). Some people are really productive whilst stoned though, or at least able to control their habit, so each to their own. If I buy weed I smoke it at every opportunity until it's all gone.  :D
Yeah, I just enjoy it once in a great while.
I'm probably more of a cold-beer-on-a-hot-day type person.

I definitely know of people who function on weed, work wise too. People are so different it's amazing really.

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Fair enough. It's funny cos I've got friends who would take anything but steer clear of weed cos it made them paranoid. Different strokes though eh. For me, weed can be a bit insidious because it's possible to smoke everyday and get on with your life and not think much of it, then you turn around in ten years and go oh **** maybe I should've done something more productive, whereas something like ketamine you'd just do once in a while, or at least just at weekends, so while it might be more pyschedelic in the moment, the long term impact is probably a lot smaller (this same logic is why I stopped drinking booze). Some people are really productive whilst stoned though, or at least able to control their habit, so each to their own. If I buy weed I smoke it at every opportunity until it's all gone.  :D
Yeah, I just enjoy it once in a great while.
I'm probably more of a cold-beer-on-a-hot-day type person.

I definitely know of people who function on weed, work wise too. People are so different it's amazing really.



The majority of pot heads I've dealt with --wurk side--  are generally good people,  but they have very little concentration and are almost always late.


The ones that do-work ok..  are coffee fiends ontop being of pothead..


So the Coffee provides them with a baseline high until they get their --fix-- later..


In the end,  It's not an extremely reliable cycle..

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Fair enough. It's funny cos I've got friends who would take anything but steer clear of weed cos it made them paranoid. Different strokes though eh. For me, weed can be a bit insidious because it's possible to smoke everyday and get on with your life and not think much of it, then you turn around in ten years and go oh **** maybe I should've done something more productive, whereas something like ketamine you'd just do once in a while, or at least just at weekends, so while it might be more pyschedelic in the moment, the long term impact is probably a lot smaller (this same logic is why I stopped drinking booze). Some people are really productive whilst stoned though, or at least able to control their habit, so each to their own. If I buy weed I smoke it at every opportunity until it's all gone.  :D
Yeah, I just enjoy it once in a great while.
I'm probably more of a cold-beer-on-a-hot-day type person.

I definitely know of people who function on weed, work wise too. People are so different it's amazing really.



The majority of pot heads I've dealt with --wurk side--  are generally good people,  but they have very little concentration and are almost always late.


The ones that do-work ok..  are coffee fiends ontop being of pothead..


So the Coffee provides them with a baseline high until they get their --fix-- later..


In the end,  It's not an extremely reliable cycle..

Pretty much same for alcohol I reckon. Functioning alcoholics, functioning potheads. Unfortunately, life is tough, and every evening is a small celebration that work is over for the day which turns into drowning your sorrows cos you've gotta go back in tomorrow.

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« Reply #134 on: Tue, 25 July 2017, 16:41:59 »
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Re: Living Healthy is Depressing
« Reply #135 on: Sun, 13 August 2017, 16:36:35 »

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Re: Living Healthy is Depressing
« Reply #136 on: Sun, 13 August 2017, 17:02:11 »
http://philadelphia.cbslocal.com/2017/08/09/vegetarian-depression-meat-study/

TP4 you may be on to something....


Hrrrmm.. this is very much possible..  since greasy meat eating makes one happy, it may act as a natural anti-depressant..

Though of course the cost is dire in the end..


But, that article itself is complete bunk..



Vegan foods, is anti-inflammatory vs Meats which are pro-inflammatory.

Anti-inflammatory diets is linked with lower depression vs  inflammatory diets.



That said,  i do get sad sometimes, when I think about ramen, and popeyes fried chicken.

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Re: Living Healthy is Depressing
« Reply #137 on: Fri, 18 August 2017, 12:14:59 »
I like the approach of Norway and other countries here in Europe. They put extra taxes on food which contains unhealthy fat.

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Re: Living Healthy is Depressing
« Reply #138 on: Thu, 21 September 2017, 17:52:44 »
Going on 3 weeks of vegan. Can't say I notice a lot different, but I like the idea of not eating animals.  Also, it actually seems easier for me to cook.  Kinda hard to screw up rice and veggies.  And I also crave hummus 24/7.

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Re: Living Healthy is Depressing
« Reply #139 on: Thu, 21 September 2017, 17:55:25 »
Going on 3 weeks of vegan. Can't say I notice a lot different, but I like the idea of not eating animals.  Also, it actually seems easier for me to cook.  Kinda hard to screw up rice and veggies.  And I also crave hummus 24/7.


It all starts somewhere... hahaha..  Great job reececonrad


What % of fats are you eating.. ??

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Re: Living Healthy is Depressing
« Reply #140 on: Thu, 21 September 2017, 17:56:52 »
Going on 3 weeks of vegan. Can't say I notice a lot different, but I like the idea of not eating animals.  Also, it actually seems easier for me to cook.  Kinda hard to screw up rice and veggies.  And I also crave hummus 24/7.


It all starts somewhere... hahaha..  Great job reececonrad


What % of fats are you eating.. ??


I don't eat much fats.  I have a few hands full of nuts throughout the day.  I'll have to check the vegan protein bars I bought.  Sometimes I eat those on the go.  Mostly it's rice and veggies and beans of some sort.  Oh, and hummus.  Gotta have my hummus.  Don't come between me and my hummus.  Oh damn, zucchini and hummus on my mind.  Gotta go.

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Re: Living Healthy is Depressing
« Reply #141 on: Thu, 21 September 2017, 18:04:27 »
Going on 3 weeks of vegan. Can't say I notice a lot different, but I like the idea of not eating animals.  Also, it actually seems easier for me to cook.  Kinda hard to screw up rice and veggies.  And I also crave hummus 24/7.


It all starts somewhere... hahaha..  Great job reececonrad


What % of fats are you eating.. ??


I don't eat much fats.  I have a few hands full of nuts throughout the day.  I'll have to check the vegan protein bars I bought.  Sometimes I eat those on the go.  Mostly it's rice and veggies and beans of some sort.  Oh, and hummus.  Gotta have my hummus.  Don't come between me and my hummus.  Oh damn, zucchini and hummus on my mind.  Gotta go.


Well, I'm glad you're on the right path,

But keep in mind,  if you exceed 22.2 grams of fat per day,  you will still have elevated risk of cardiovascular disease.


It has less to do with (Being fat),  it's just that we now know fats, EVEN plant fats,  damage the circulatory system in quantities greater than 7grams per meal.


Look into fats and endothelial damage..   This is the primary cause of american style heart disease, (coronary atherosclerosis )

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Re: Living Healthy is Depressing
« Reply #142 on: Thu, 21 September 2017, 18:17:06 »
Looks like I'm close.  The hummus has 5g of fat for 2 tablespoons.   :eek:  Well that sucks.

So, the bars have 4.5g, the nuts I ate had 2g, the hummus had 5g, rice today 4g.  I'm under the 22 but cutting it close.

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Re: Living Healthy is Depressing
« Reply #143 on: Thu, 21 September 2017, 19:02:43 »
Looks like I'm close.  The hummus has 5g of fat for 2 tablespoons.   :eek:  Well that sucks.

So, the bars have 4.5g, the nuts I ate had 2g, the hummus had 5g, rice today 4g.  I'm under the 22 but cutting it close.


Eat up to 22,  you go over, YOU DIE !!!

Hahahahaha..  nawh,  just kidding..   



I actually found this  OIL  aspect the most challenging to healthy eating, vegan or otherwise..


Fats make everything taste good.. hahahaha..



But the 3 Titans of the 100% Veggie world all quote each other on this 10% number,  it really is a hard limit derived from very good clinically controlled studies.

- Colin T. Campbell
- Caldwell Esselstyn
- Dean Ornish

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Re: Living Healthy is Depressing
« Reply #144 on: Thu, 21 September 2017, 19:02:50 »
the day i need to start doing math to regulate and record my food is the day i down this entire bottle of Luminal

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Re: Living Healthy is Depressing
« Reply #145 on: Thu, 21 September 2017, 19:06:45 »
the day i need to start doing math to regulate and record my food is the day i down this entire bottle of Luminal

Living hard and fast is one of Many ways to live..

As a younger person, Nturtle,  I think you can certainly overlook this for another 10, maybe 15 years.


But I recommend turning around before then..  Because heart disease and cancer are LIVING HELLS,  Both, for you personally,  and everyone around you,  your entire family goes in the hole with you.

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Re: Living Healthy is Depressing
« Reply #146 on: Thu, 21 September 2017, 19:38:28 »
the day i need to start doing math to regulate and record my food is the day i down this entire bottle of Luminal

Living hard and fast is one of Many ways to live..

As a younger person, Nturtle,  I think you can certainly overlook this for another 10, maybe 15 years.


But I recommend turning around before then..  Because heart disease and cancer are LIVING HELLS,  Both, for you personally,  and everyone around you,  your entire family goes in the hole with you.

Eh, I plan on killing myself once my parents pass. Until that time, guilt is keeping me alive.

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Re: Living Healthy is Depressing
« Reply #147 on: Thu, 21 September 2017, 20:16:00 »

Eh, I plan on killing myself once my parents pass. Until that time, guilt is keeping me alive.


Hrrrrrmm....  while I agree with you logically that not every human life is precious..

We do not have enough processing power to deduce such a claim for any Single human..


Therefore, suicide is not recommended..