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Re: Keycap & Keyboard Photography
« Reply #1350 on: Sat, 31 January 2015, 19:18:06 »
COLOR (I used to make this fluorescent paper, so I still have a bunch of it sitting around :)) )

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Re: Keycap & Keyboard Photography
« Reply #1351 on: Sat, 31 January 2015, 23:12:33 »
I didn't take these pics, just thought they're worth to share. :)

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Re: Keycap & Keyboard Photography
« Reply #1352 on: Sun, 01 February 2015, 03:25:18 »
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Re: Keycap & Keyboard Photography
« Reply #1353 on: Sun, 01 February 2015, 04:22:00 »
Before I start building the LZ FE

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Cool stickers!  I've never seen them cut like that for the LED pocket.  I suppose it takes longer to weed out but that design would play better with SIP sockets.

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Re: Keycap & Keyboard Photography
« Reply #1354 on: Sun, 01 February 2015, 04:53:22 »
It's a sheet of PET, not really a sticker  :thumb:
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Re: Keycap & Keyboard Photography
« Reply #1355 on: Sun, 01 February 2015, 07:48:32 »
It's a sheet of PET, not really a sticker  :thumb:

Even more interesting!  How thick is it and where can I get some?

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Re: Keycap & Keyboard Photography
« Reply #1356 on: Sun, 01 February 2015, 11:30:59 »
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mx black with purple stickers perhaps better look. ;D ;D


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Re: Keycap & Keyboard Photography
« Reply #1357 on: Sun, 01 February 2015, 13:14:30 »
It's a sheet of PET, not really a sticker  :thumb:

Does it feel different than normal stickers? Also I'm so excited to see this build.
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Re: Keycap & Keyboard Photography
« Reply #1358 on: Sun, 01 February 2015, 13:20:28 »
Is there a real difference with and without stickers or are you just pimping your keyboard?

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Re: Keycap & Keyboard Photography
« Reply #1359 on: Sun, 01 February 2015, 14:04:50 »

Is there a real difference with and without stickers or are you just pimping your keyboard?
Mostly pimping, but reduces some wobble, and take that with a grain of salt.

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Re: Keycap & Keyboard Photography
« Reply #1360 on: Sun, 01 February 2015, 17:41:33 »
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Re: Keycap & Keyboard Photography
« Reply #1361 on: Sun, 01 February 2015, 23:15:54 »
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Nice one! Are the colored mods from GMK?

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Re: Keycap & Keyboard Photography
« Reply #1362 on: Sun, 01 February 2015, 23:34:57 »
Photo credits go to Zeal




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Re: Keycap & Keyboard Photography
« Reply #1363 on: Mon, 02 February 2015, 00:05:47 »
Photo credits go to Zeal

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Nice! Do you live in Vancouver too? We should have a Van meetup sometime!  :)

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« Reply #1364 on: Mon, 02 February 2015, 00:21:45 »
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Nice! Do you live in Vancouver too? We should have a Van meetup sometime!  :)

I do, we might have something in the works. We should definitely do that :)

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Re: Keycap & Keyboard Photography
« Reply #1365 on: Mon, 02 February 2015, 01:21:17 »
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Nice one! Are the colored mods from GMK?
That's CMYK. ;)
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Re: Keycap & Keyboard Photography
« Reply #1366 on: Mon, 02 February 2015, 03:52:36 »
Photo credits go to Zeal

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That's a very nice SSK!  Maybe the colour balance is out or something, but those RGB really seem to be glowing.
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Re: Keycap & Keyboard Photography
« Reply #1367 on: Mon, 02 February 2015, 12:28:30 »
weih, finally got my backdrops up, had to try em out :)
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Re: Keycap & Keyboard Photography
« Reply #1368 on: Mon, 02 February 2015, 12:29:26 »
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hot  :confused: :eek:

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Re: Keycap & Keyboard Photography
« Reply #1369 on: Mon, 02 February 2015, 12:51:56 »
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That's a very nice SSK!  Maybe the colour balance is out or something, but those RGB really seem to be glowing.

Probably monitor calibration. My phone makes the last one look like it has a red glow around the ctrl. Rest of my IPS monitors are fine.
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« Reply #1370 on: Mon, 02 February 2015, 12:59:42 »
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That's a very nice SSK!  Maybe the colour balance is out or something, but those RGB really seem to be glowing.

Probably monitor calibration. My phone makes the last one look like it has a red glow around the ctrl. Rest of my IPS monitors are fine.
I can confirm that they look accurate on monitor (IPS) and phone as well, when compared to my eyes.

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« Reply #1371 on: Mon, 02 February 2015, 15:15:56 »
weih, finally got my backdrops up, had to try em out :)
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Nice!
You've got it all set up? With the lighting?
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« Reply #1372 on: Mon, 02 February 2015, 17:58:04 »

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Re: Keycap & Keyboard Photography
« Reply #1373 on: Mon, 02 February 2015, 18:25:05 »
I love this shot


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« Reply #1374 on: Mon, 02 February 2015, 22:33:36 »
I love this shot

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That is awesome!
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« Reply #1375 on: Mon, 02 February 2015, 23:51:24 »
I love this shot

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Awesome shot

I cant wait to get my first dolly cap :)
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« Reply #1376 on: Mon, 02 February 2015, 23:52:38 »
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« Reply #1377 on: Wed, 04 February 2015, 10:55:08 »
old one of 2100hdf + 2000had caps

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« Reply #1378 on: Wed, 04 February 2015, 10:56:03 »
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« Reply #1379 on: Wed, 04 February 2015, 13:23:28 »

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« Reply #1380 on: Wed, 04 February 2015, 13:26:13 »
weih, finally got my backdrops up, had to try em out :)
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This picture is amazing :)

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« Reply #1381 on: Wed, 04 February 2015, 18:47:54 »
found this lurking on my hd, figured i'd post it here

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« Reply #1382 on: Wed, 04 February 2015, 19:32:26 »
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Re: Keycap & Keyboard Photography
« Reply #1383 on: Thu, 05 February 2015, 00:32:37 »
my best shot from my first attempt at lowkey product photography :/

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« Reply #1384 on: Thu, 05 February 2015, 01:20:39 »

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« Reply #1385 on: Thu, 05 February 2015, 03:24:39 »
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That yellow Cherry key :eek: ;D
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Re: Keycap & Keyboard Photography
« Reply #1386 on: Thu, 05 February 2015, 08:23:41 »
my best shot from my first attempt at lowkey product photography :/

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is model shooting lowkey alot easier?  hoff? ivan? HALP PLS

If the EXIF data on the image is correct, it looks like you took this at ISO 100, f/22, 1/250sec exposure?  That's not letting much light get in there at all.  I would take the shutter speed down to 1/60, ISO to 200, and aperture wherever you like for the shot you want.  If that doesn't get enough light in there, you'd need to change something again - either higher ISO (I avoid that as I'm not a fan of grain) or a tripod and slower shutter speed.

It looks like you're going for a pretty muted/low-key (as you said :P ) look, so you might not have to change it as much as I'm thinking, but IMO more light would help here.  Have you played around much with exposure and that stuff for this particular shot?

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Re: Keycap & Keyboard Photography
« Reply #1387 on: Thu, 05 February 2015, 08:52:56 »
"ISO 100, f/22, 1/250sec exposure"

That's a really fast shutter speed for that low of an ISO and Aperture. If you are set on f/22 then bring that shutter speed down, a tripod is really going to help you there

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Re: Keycap & Keyboard Photography
« Reply #1388 on: Thu, 05 February 2015, 11:16:58 »
- Lights
- Tripod
- Slower shutter speeds
- Did I mention plenty of lights?


This picture


Needed this setup. No extra lights but every single light in my room was switched on. That's 6x 50W halogen lights + a single 5W Led bulb from the ceiling.

What exposure did that one need?


Anything more detailed needs at least one of these:



Notice the light coming in from the left of the keys? Yep, that's one of those spotligts.

Now this pic for example

Used two spotlights from a low angle, all of the lights in my room and a tripod at 1/30th of a second, F2.8 and an ISO of 640.
Granted it is slightly over exposed but it does the job just fine.

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Re: Keycap & Keyboard Photography
« Reply #1389 on: Thu, 05 February 2015, 11:31:32 »
- Lights
- Tripod
- Slower shutter speeds
- Did I mention plenty of lights?

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Needed this setup. No extra lights but every single light in my room was switched on. That's 6x 50W halogen lights + a single 5W Led bulb from the ceiling.

What exposure did that one need?
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Anything more detailed needs at least one of these:
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Notice the light coming in from the left of the keys? Yep, that's one of those spotligts.

Now this pic for example
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Used two spotlights from a low angle, all of the lights in my room and a tripod at 1/30th of a second, F2.8 and an ISO of 640.
Granted it is slightly over exposed but it does the job just fine.

Use moar light
Great advice! I'd also add that on digital you'll want to avoid stopping down to f/22, or really past f/11 if you can help it, unless you really really need that extra DoF. Digital does not handle diffraction as well as film. If you need extra DoF on a still subject like keycaps, you're better off focus stacking.

You can always bring down the exposure in post (assuming you didn't blow the highlights) and the nature of digital sensors means you'll get more information captured if you push your histogram as far to the right as possible, without clipping.

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Linear capture has important implications for exposure. If a camera captures six stops of dynamic range, half of the 4,096 levels are devoted to the brightest stop, half of the remainder (1,024 levels) are devoted to the next stop, half of the remainder (512 levels) are devoted to the next stop, and so on. The darkest stop, the extreme shadows, is represented by only 64 levels.

Read this for more information on how digital sensors record information: https://www.adobe.com/digitalimag/pdfs/linear_gamma.pdf

TL;DR: exactly what JaccoW said - MOAR LIGHT!
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Re: Keycap & Keyboard Photography
« Reply #1390 on: Thu, 05 February 2015, 11:47:20 »
-Whiter light like sunlight or "bright" white lightbulbs help keep the target looking it's original color
-You can use a flash as your primary source of light as long as it doesn't face straight at the target; light the environment, not just the target so it doesn't look like a flash
-Use more light instead of a higher ISO as pictures start to look grainy and staticky at high ISOs.

Example:




800 is the highest I'll ever go, and I don't usually have it that high, usually 100 or 200. Taken with this setup (alright fine I don't work out enough):

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Re: Keycap & Keyboard Photography
« Reply #1391 on: Thu, 05 February 2015, 17:52:18 »
I have a reflex at home but I'm too lazy to train myself with it. I learned some basics but I never went deeper on the subject.

You are all motivating me to get back to it.

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Re: Keycap & Keyboard Photography
« Reply #1392 on: Fri, 06 February 2015, 00:15:00 »
some good notes all around guys :)

i'm pretty comfortable with general lighting and product photography at this point and I was practicing to expand my techniques a little bit, specifically lowkey product photography with my previous post.

what is lowkey photography? well, this:


http://myphotogroup.blogspot.ca/2012/05/using-flash-to-darken-your-background.html


http://tinyfoxphotography.com/2013/09/24/low-key-product-shots/

i'm more interested in lowkey product photography, so more of the latter.  but take a look at the blog of the model shot; notice how it is outside in broad daylight?


look down.  now back to me.

my main beef with my photo was the lack of bright whiteness.  It's not a white balance issue AFAIK;  rather it seems to just be flash intensity.  I've had a day to think on it and I think it's simply a matter of adjusting the zoom value on the lens (i had it set to 30mm to match my lens) to something like....as zoomed as possible AND to balance this with flash power.  I simply didn't realize what the zoom setting actually did before xD

on the high aperature value, I have to balance this against my flash sync speeds.  I'm not sure if there are any downsides besides a reduction in absolute flash power when enabling HSS.  as well, I would imagine that diffraction would actually HELP me by making the transition zones of light/shadow slightly softer? 

also, so should I cover the flash of my commander flash?  I was told that the commander added nearly nothing to the photo (i felt like the under the right eye and nose were a bit relatively bright)...but I'm relatively close, so I don't know xD

overall, more tweaking.  this time with a tripod or 2 and some sunglasses cause that is one BRIGHT AS HELL flash.

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Re: Keycap & Keyboard Photography
« Reply #1393 on: Fri, 06 February 2015, 03:17:27 »
my best shot from my first attempt at lowkey product photography :/

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is model shooting lowkey alot easier?  hoff? ivan? HALP PLS

This is my first time attempting lowkey...



Am I dong it right? Even though this was shot at ISO 100, I feel like it's still too grainy.
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Re: Keycap & Keyboard Photography
« Reply #1394 on: Fri, 06 February 2015, 05:08:03 »
my best shot from my first attempt at lowkey product photography :/
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is model shooting lowkey alot easier?  hoff? ivan? HALP PLS
This is my first time attempting lowkey...
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Am I dong it right? Even though this was shot at ISO 100, I feel like it's still too grainy.
I don't think that is grain. Most likely it is actually the texture of the material itself.
It is a little bit overexposed so my tip would be to either go to a higher F-stop (so from F3.5 to F8 F.e.) or use the exposure compensation dial on your camera.

Here is a shot of mine of the Hotkeys mask @ ISO 200 with either a really sharp macro lens or a 50mm F1.8 lens (I don't remember :P ). Click it to see it fullsize.

See the 'grain' in the shadow areas? That has to do with the Depth-of-Field of lenses at macro distances. Sometimes you only get a 2mm area that is sharp.
Here's another thing, if you look closely you can see the key turning a bit green on the bottom side and a bit purple on the top. That has to do with purple/green fringing. Another thing that happens quite often with very light sensitive lenses.

EDIT: Also, don't do the whole pixel-peeping thing. You are making shots for an online forum not a professional magazine. A little bit of blur can add to the picture if it is in the right places. ;)
Did you notice the 7 being out of focus in this picture?

EDIT2: Thanks for the links TBC :)
Is that a Nex-7?
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Re: Keycap & Keyboard Photography
« Reply #1395 on: Fri, 06 February 2015, 05:49:20 »
All these nice cameras make me jealous

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Re: Keycap & Keyboard Photography
« Reply #1396 on: Fri, 06 February 2015, 06:01:59 »
All these nice cameras make me jealous
It's never about the camera. Some really good cameras that you see on here are quite cheap now. It's all about how you use it. ;)
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Re: Keycap & Keyboard Photography
« Reply #1397 on: Fri, 06 February 2015, 06:10:25 »
my best shot from my first attempt at lowkey product photography :/
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is model shooting lowkey alot easier?  hoff? ivan? HALP PLS
This is my first time attempting lowkey...
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Am I dong it right? Even though this was shot at ISO 100, I feel like it's still too grainy.
I don't think that is grain. Most likely it is actually the texture of the material itself.
It is a little bit overexposed so my tip would be to either go to a higher F-stop (so from F3.5 to F8 F.e.) or use the exposure compensation dial on your camera.

Here is a shot of mine of the Hotkeys mask @ ISO 200 with either a really sharp macro lens or a 50mm F1.8 lens (I don't remember :P ). Click it to see it fullsize.
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See the 'grain' in the shadow areas? That has to do with the Depth-of-Field of lenses at macro distances. Sometimes you only get a 2mm area that is sharp.
Here's another thing, if you look closely you can see the key turning a bit green on the bottom side and a bit purple on the top. That has to do with purple/green fringing. Another thing that happens quite often with very light sensitive lenses.

EDIT: Also, don't do the whole pixel-peeping thing. You are making shots for an online forum not a professional magazine. A little bit of blur can add to the picture if it is in the right places. ;)
Did you notice the 7 being out of focus in this picture?

EDIT2: Thanks for the links TBC :)
Is that a Nex-7?

My pic was actually 1/2 sec, f/22, ISO 100...


I couldn't even get my background black enough at f/8 (semi gloss black cardboard box). It looks a bit overexposed probably due to me adding an "s" shape to curves.

Then again, I didn't have a remote flash on hand. I'm sure it would have changed the picture greatly.
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Re: Keycap & Keyboard Photography
« Reply #1398 on: Fri, 06 February 2015, 06:58:49 »
My pic was actually 1/2 sec, f/22, ISO 100...
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I couldn't even get my background black enough at f/8 (semi gloss black cardboard box). It looks a bit overexposed probably due to me adding an "s" shape to curves.

Then again, I didn't have a remote flash on hand. I'm sure it would have changed the picture greatly.
Still, that grain is the pattern of the material. Begin with something simple like a plain double-shot Esc-keycap. These artisan caps are hard to capture right because of the number of 'layers'. And white keycaps... don't get me started on those.

I see you have a Sony a7 MkII. Have you ever used a Fullframe camera before? Each camera behaves differently, get a feel for its quirks.
Sony cameras have a tendency to overexpose. I always turn it down to at least -0.3 or -0.07

Just to get a feel of the camera, put it on a tripod and just shoot it with some natural light. Begin with everything on full auto.
Do you see any grain? unsharpness? Is it overexposed in some places? What ISO/F-stop/shutter speed was it at?
Is it sharp but boring? Great, at least we have a good baseline.

Next, Enable manual focus in the menu. Set ISO to the lowest possible setting, probably ISO 100. Set the camera to F8. Set exposure to manual. Natural light (which can be daylight, some reflected light from a wall or just your computer screen) and use a piece of white paper to set the white balance. There should be a 'set' option.
Make a few shots. Start at a 10 second exposure. Go one step faster, 8 seconds or so. Keep doing this until the picture gets too dark to see anything, probably around 1/200th of a second or so.
Go through the shots and pick the one you like best. What shutter speed is that?

Next you can do the exact same thing with some light shining on the keycap. It can be as simple as a flashlight. Just make sure you put it far away enough so that it doesn't reflect too much.
F8, ISO 100, manual shutter speed and set the white balance again.
You should get a completely different picture.

A step further would be to try to play with flash but flash is tricky. Never use direct flash but either have it pointed upwards so it can bounce of the ceiling or use a good diffuser on top of it.
Direct flash kills your picture.

Keep in mind, I enjoy the pictures I make on here but there are plenty of people who make much better pictures than I have.
I use a 5 year old camera that I am really familiar with. I know it's quirks and limitations because it has travelled the world with me and I have shot well over 10,000 pictures with it.
The more familiar you get with your camera and the more variables you can eliminate at a time means you can focus on the picture itself. Composition and what works best in a certain situation.
When I get a new camera I will probably have quite a bit of a learning curve again. Especially if I move from APS-C to Full-frame or to a 1" sensor.
I love the Sony HX50v compact that I have for its zoom and light-weight. But for shots at night it doesn't hold a candle to the Nex-5 when it comes to shooting without the aid of extra lights.
They each have their strengths and weaknesses. Learn yours. ;)
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« Reply #1399 on: Fri, 06 February 2015, 07:03:03 »

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