Post by: atlanticise on Thu, 15 April 2021, 12:19:19
Welcome to the groupbuy for SA Ramses, a keycap set inspired by Ancient Egypt and the Nile.
GROUP BUY DETAILS
Dates
GB: April 16 - May 14, 2021
Estimated time of delivery: Q2/Q3 2022
Vendors & Pricing
NA: Omnitype (https://omnitype.com/collections/keycaps/products/sa-ramses-keycap-set) -
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CA: Ashkeebs (https://www.ashkeebs.com/product/sa-ramses-keycaps/) -
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Europe: MyKeyboard (https://mykeyboard.eu/catalogue/category/group-buys/keycaps/sa-ramses_471/) -
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Australia: Daily Clack (https://dailyclack.com/products/sa-ramses) -
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Asia: zFrontier (https://en.zfrontier.com/products/sa-ramses?variant=39322689536078) -
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SEA: monokei (https://monokei.co/products/sa-ramses) -
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Technical Specifications
Manufacturer: Signature Plastics
Material: Doubleshot ABS
KITS
ALPHAS (NILE)
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ALPHAS (SAND)
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MODIFIERS (NILE)
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MODIFIERS (SAND)
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NOVELTIES
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NUMPAD
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BARS
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ISO
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40S EXTENSION
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ORTHO
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DESKMATS
DAY
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NIGHT
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COLLABORATIONS
THOK Keycap - $59 (https://thok.click/product/ramses/)
I'm happy to announce that I will be working with THOK to produce a brass artisan keycap for SA Ramses. The keycap will be in SA R1 profile, and it is a matte PVD brass with a purple colourshift resin infill. You may order together with the kits for most vendors - USA customers will have to purchase directly from THOK. (https://thok.click/product/ramses/)
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THOK Brass Knob - $55 (https://thok.click/product/ramses-knob/)
Click the link above to purchase directly from THOK, or buy from your regional proxy vendor :)
THOK Solid brass 18mm wide encoder knob, finished in PVD plating. Featuring first of its kind THOK metal universal fitment system. No side screw, simply slide off and on for a firm fitment.
- Matte gold plated brass
- Machined from solid brass
VoxelMods Cables (https://www.voxelmods.com/ramses)
By popular demand, I’ve teamed up with the amazing VoxelMods to bring you a really great custom coiled cable group buy to complement your SA Ramses build! This cable GB will run until the end of May, or until cap is reached.
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Artkey Universe
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Archetype
The lovely folks over at Archetype have announced their beautiful collab for SA Ramses! There are a total of 4 artisans to be won - 2 Pharaoh Xiro and 2 Pharaoh Kolkrabba in both Horus (Dark Green) and Cleo (Tan) colorways.
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Pharaoh Xiro - Horus (Dark Green)
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Pharaoh Xiro - Cleo (Tan)
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Pharaoh Kolkrabba - Horus (Dark Green)
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Pharaoh Kolkrabba - Cleo (Tan)
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Pharaoh Xiro - Cleo (Tan)
(https://i.imgur.com/G2D2oW8.png)
Pharaoh Kolkrabba - Horus (Dark Green)
(https://i.imgur.com/vTIW33C.png)
Pharaoh Kolkrabba - Cleo (Tan)
(https://i.imgur.com/sOOVjTL.png)
Binirias
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DEAGcaps
DEAG has just announced the collab and the raffle will start on May 6, 7PM EST and end on May 7, 7PM EST (24hrs). Purchasers of SA Ramses Base Kit (Alphas + Mods) are entitled to 3x entries if they submit a screenshot of their SA Ramses invoice through the raffle form.
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SA Ramses Bean
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PanicKeycaps
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MelonKeys
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RENDERS
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Post by: FreshFromTheGrave on Fri, 16 April 2021, 09:00:27
Post by: pastelnostalgia on Fri, 16 April 2021, 10:11:58
Post by: kipawazi on Fri, 16 April 2021, 10:13:16
Post by: HungHingDaiLo on Fri, 16 April 2021, 12:32:06
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Post by: MisterWaffle on Fri, 16 April 2021, 13:43:56
Post by: thicthock on Fri, 16 April 2021, 14:47:54
Post by: CookieFlow on Fri, 16 April 2021, 15:27:32
I know SA is always expensive (at least with SP), but those prices do feel a bit too much for me.
I kinda hoped a higher MOQ would help keep the prices a bit more reasonable for SA.
Post by: Friendship on Sun, 18 April 2021, 08:12:14
Post by: Alejo1707 on Mon, 19 April 2021, 07:42:20
Just curious is there a reason the thok artisan was excluded from the US vendor?I am curious about the same thing, I will have to place 2 orders instead of 1, not mentioning having to pay shipping twice.
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Post by: atlanticise on Mon, 19 April 2021, 09:50:09
Just curious is there a reason the thok artisan was excluded from the US vendor?I am curious about the same thing, I will have to place 2 orders instead of 1, not mentioning having to pay shipping twice.
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I'm really sorry guys, I knew this would be a huge inconvenience to US customers but Omnitype has declined to proxy for THOK. As just a simple set designer I have no control and I respect Garrett's decision. THOK is also ok with this and they are selling directly from their site; I haven't compared shipping rates across all vendors but I randomly keyed in Oregon and the shipping rate is $13, which I hope is not too high for you to reconsider your support. <3
Post by: Friendship on Mon, 19 April 2021, 11:16:51
I'm really sorry guys, I knew this would be a huge inconvenience to US customers but Omnitype has declined to proxy for THOK. As just a simple set designer I have no control and I respect Garrett's decision. THOK is also ok with this and they are selling directly from their site; I haven't compared shipping rates across all vendors but I randomly keyed in Oregon and the shipping rate is $13, which I hope is not too high for you to reconsider your support. <3
Thanks for the transparency on this!! Garrett must only like Ramas
For those curious, Ashkeebs (CA vendor) charged me the same shipping Omni did so you can just order from there if you want the artisan and don't want to pay 2x ship.
Post by: atlanticise on Mon, 19 April 2021, 11:37:13
I'm really sorry guys, I knew this would be a huge inconvenience to US customers but Omnitype has declined to proxy for THOK. As just a simple set designer I have no control and I respect Garrett's decision. THOK is also ok with this and they are selling directly from their site; I haven't compared shipping rates across all vendors but I randomly keyed in Oregon and the shipping rate is $13, which I hope is not too high for you to reconsider your support. <3
Thanks for the transparency on this!! Garrett must only like Ramas
For those curious, Ashkeebs (CA vendor) charged me the same shipping Omni did so you can just order from there if you want the artisan and don't want to pay 2x ship.
Gosh thank you so much for that tip! And thank you even more for your support, it means everything (((:
Post by: Alejo1707 on Mon, 19 April 2021, 12:23:01
In regards to Omnitype, I don't know if they have provided a complete answer as to why they refused Thok, for as far as I understand, they are reputable. I don't feel like supporting Omni anytime soon due to this, so I will get your set from Ashkeebs as well!
Thanks for the tip Friendship! ;D
Post by: dvorcol on Mon, 19 April 2021, 13:39:49
Edit: corrected Forties MOQ
Post by: CookieFlow on Mon, 19 April 2021, 13:53:08
But kinda confirms what I thought, really wish there had been a higher MOQ to give us a more affordable pricing.
It looks like it will totally crush the estimated MOQ.
Post by: thicthock on Mon, 19 April 2021, 14:21:03
Nice early numbers :thumb:
But kinda confirms what I thought, really wish there had been a higher MOQ to give us a more affordable pricing.
It looks like it will totally crush the estimated MOQ.
Yea this was on my list this year as i am a huge egyptian history fan. But the prices compared to other sets are kind of ridic.
Post by: Jo_hannes on Tue, 20 April 2021, 02:20:37
Post by: atlanticise on Tue, 20 April 2021, 11:02:35
I understand your frustration with the pricing but the prices were decided by Omnitype, who has the final say as the main vendor. I am very grateful for all your support, even if the price does not agree with you this time, but this is not going to change and I hope that everyone can accept this with grace and love, which is much needed in this hobby. :thumb: :thumb:
Post by: thicthock on Wed, 21 April 2021, 00:28:01
Sorry for the misinformation guys - I misquoted the MOQ to dvorcol, it's 50 for the 40s kit. We will get that fixed at the next milestone update!
I understand your frustration with the pricing but the prices were decided by Omnitype, who has the final say as the main vendor. I am very grateful for all your support, even if the price does not agree with you this time, but this is not going to change and I hope that everyone can accept this with grace and love, which is much needed in this hobby. :thumb: :thumb:
Ah yikes. No one did not accept. We just pointed something out. No one wants it to change, We said its sad for your set that this was the prices decided on.
I dont know why Omnitype decided on this price as I see it more of a hindrance for such a good set.
Sorry for pointing something out that seems to have bothered you. Fact is also that people need to point out overly high prices in this hobby that we all love. Because things like that, to me make it so hard for people to join this hobby and it makes it come across as closed off and snobbish.
Post by: Friendship on Thu, 22 April 2021, 12:32:30
Sorry for the misinformation guys - I misquoted the MOQ to dvorcol, it's 50 for the 40s kit. We will get that fixed at the next milestone update!
I understand your frustration with the pricing but the prices were decided by Omnitype, who has the final say as the main vendor. I am very grateful for all your support, even if the price does not agree with you this time, but this is not going to change and I hope that everyone can accept this with grace and love, which is much needed in this hobby. :thumb: :thumb:
Wait, omnitype is the main vendor yet was not ok with selling the entire Ramses line? I don't mean to stir the pot but that seems... odd
Post by: thechemtrailkid on Fri, 23 April 2021, 18:49:46
I'm really sorry guys, I knew this would be a huge inconvenience to US customers but Omnitype has declined to proxy for THOK. As just a simple set designer I have no control and I respect Garrett's decision. THOK is also ok with this and they are selling directly from their site; I haven't compared shipping rates across all vendors but I randomly keyed in Oregon and the shipping rate is $13, which I hope is not too high for you to reconsider your support. <3
Thanks for the transparency on this!! Garrett must only like Ramas
For those curious, Ashkeebs (CA vendor) charged me the same shipping Omni did so you can just order from there if you want the artisan and don't want to pay 2x ship.
Ashkeebs has cheaper shipping for me and from some googling, I don't think you have to pay duty on packages with a declared value of less than $800. I basically get the Thocc novelty for free.
Post by: CookieFlow on Sun, 25 April 2021, 07:31:35
Sorry for the misinformation guys - I misquoted the MOQ to dvorcol, it's 50 for the 40s kit. We will get that fixed at the next milestone update!
I understand your frustration with the pricing but the prices were decided by Omnitype, who has the final say as the main vendor. I am very grateful for all your support, even if the price does not agree with you this time, but this is not going to change and I hope that everyone can accept this with grace and love, which is much needed in this hobby. :thumb: :thumb:
Ah yikes. No one did not accept. We just pointed something out. No one wants it to change, We said its sad for your set that this was the prices decided on.
I dont know why Omnitype decided on this price as I see it more of a hindrance for such a good set.
Sorry for pointing something out that seems to have bothered you. Fact is also that people need to point out overly high prices in this hobby that we all love. Because things like that, to me make it so hard for people to join this hobby and it makes it come across as closed off and snobbish.
Exactly, the goal wasn't to be negative towards your GB.
It's just as thicthock pointed out that those prices seem like a hindrance for such a gorgeous set and I am sure it could have done even better with a higher MOQ price that's all.
I know nothing can be changed now.
The IC was clearly very popular, and Omnitype deciding those prices based on 100 MOQ in 2021 seems totally out of touch with the current demand in the market (not even counting how many extras are bought by vendors these days).
And even more on the 40% kit prices compared to the much bigger 40% kit from SA Espresso
I will gladly join the GB, but with not as many kits as I would have hoped.
Post by: Alejo1707 on Sun, 25 April 2021, 07:56:41
Same here, I would have hoped to join at least 4 kits and an artisan, now I'm thinking on getting only 3, which is a shame on such pretty set.Sorry for the misinformation guys - I misquoted the MOQ to dvorcol, it's 50 for the 40s kit. We will get that fixed at the next milestone update!
I understand your frustration with the pricing but the prices were decided by Omnitype, who has the final say as the main vendor. I am very grateful for all your support, even if the price does not agree with you this time, but this is not going to change and I hope that everyone can accept this with grace and love, which is much needed in this hobby. :thumb: :thumb:
Ah yikes. No one did not accept. We just pointed something out. No one wants it to change, We said its sad for your set that this was the prices decided on.
I dont know why Omnitype decided on this price as I see it more of a hindrance for such a good set.
Sorry for pointing something out that seems to have bothered you. Fact is also that people need to point out overly high prices in this hobby that we all love. Because things like that, to me make it so hard for people to join this hobby and it makes it come across as closed off and snobbish.
Exactly, the goal wasn't to be negative towards your GB.
It's just as thicthock pointed out that those prices seem like a hindrance for such a gorgeous set and I am sure it could have done even better with a higher MOQ price that's all.
I know nothing can be changed now.
The IC was clearly very popular, and Omnitype deciding those prices based on 100 MOQ in 2021 seems totally out of touch with the current demand in the market (not even counting how many extras are bought by vendors these days).
And even more on the 40% kit prices compared to the much bigger 40% kit from SA Espresso
I will gladly join the GB, but with not as many kits as I would have hoped.
Not sure why MOQ was so low, but considering you even built yourself a web page and kept consistent on updates, I would say you should have had more confidence in the set and set a higher MOQ, then again, everything is easier in hindsight.
Once again, love your set!
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Post by: nvh2092 on Sun, 25 April 2021, 08:51:47
Vendor always tries to maximize profit, so they probably did all the calculation before deciding to go with this low moq.Same here, I would have hoped to join at least 4 kits and an artisan, now I'm thinking on getting only 3, which is a shame on such pretty set.Sorry for the misinformation guys - I misquoted the MOQ to dvorcol, it's 50 for the 40s kit. We will get that fixed at the next milestone update!
I understand your frustration with the pricing but the prices were decided by Omnitype, who has the final say as the main vendor. I am very grateful for all your support, even if the price does not agree with you this time, but this is not going to change and I hope that everyone can accept this with grace and love, which is much needed in this hobby. :thumb: :thumb:
Ah yikes. No one did not accept. We just pointed something out. No one wants it to change, We said its sad for your set that this was the prices decided on.
I dont know why Omnitype decided on this price as I see it more of a hindrance for such a good set.
Sorry for pointing something out that seems to have bothered you. Fact is also that people need to point out overly high prices in this hobby that we all love. Because things like that, to me make it so hard for people to join this hobby and it makes it come across as closed off and snobbish.
Exactly, the goal wasn't to be negative towards your GB.
It's just as thicthock pointed out that those prices seem like a hindrance for such a gorgeous set and I am sure it could have done even better with a higher MOQ price that's all.
I know nothing can be changed now.
The IC was clearly very popular, and Omnitype deciding those prices based on 100 MOQ in 2021 seems totally out of touch with the current demand in the market (not even counting how many extras are bought by vendors these days).
And even more on the 40% kit prices compared to the much bigger 40% kit from SA Espresso
I will gladly join the GB, but with not as many kits as I would have hoped.
Not sure why MOQ was so low, but considering you even built yourself a web page and kept consistent on updates, I would say you should have had more confidence in the set and set a higher MOQ, then again, everything is easier in hindsight.
Once again, love your set!
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Post by: Alejo1707 on Sun, 25 April 2021, 09:23:21
In short, there should be a balance between profit and customer satisfaction, which I don't think this set complied.
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Post by: thicthock on Sun, 25 April 2021, 09:30:36
To maximize it you minimize MOQ, but that hurts customers a lot, and if total sales surpass MOQ for a lot, the seller is looking at a s*t ton of profit, for all the money they could have saved us, is going to their pockets.
In short, there should be a balance between profit and customer satisfaction, which I don't think this set complied.
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Yeap especially in times where many people are furloughed. Like...I dont have 200 bucks for the 3 base sets I wanted. its not even many sets but 200 in these times when every gmk set runs cheaper is killing a set that might have sold well.
It's cash grabby and I dont like to see the hobby going this way.
Post by: Alejo1707 on Sun, 25 April 2021, 09:59:24
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Post by: CookieFlow on Sun, 25 April 2021, 10:22:12
Vendor always tries to maximize profit, so they probably did all the calculation before deciding to go with this low moq.Same here, I would have hoped to join at least 4 kits and an artisan, now I'm thinking on getting only 3, which is a shame on such pretty set.Sorry for the misinformation guys - I misquoted the MOQ to dvorcol, it's 50 for the 40s kit. We will get that fixed at the next milestone update!
I understand your frustration with the pricing but the prices were decided by Omnitype, who has the final say as the main vendor. I am very grateful for all your support, even if the price does not agree with you this time, but this is not going to change and I hope that everyone can accept this with grace and love, which is much needed in this hobby. :thumb: :thumb:
Ah yikes. No one did not accept. We just pointed something out. No one wants it to change, We said its sad for your set that this was the prices decided on.
I dont know why Omnitype decided on this price as I see it more of a hindrance for such a good set.
Sorry for pointing something out that seems to have bothered you. Fact is also that people need to point out overly high prices in this hobby that we all love. Because things like that, to me make it so hard for people to join this hobby and it makes it come across as closed off and snobbish.
Exactly, the goal wasn't to be negative towards your GB.
It's just as thicthock pointed out that those prices seem like a hindrance for such a gorgeous set and I am sure it could have done even better with a higher MOQ price that's all.
I know nothing can be changed now.
The IC was clearly very popular, and Omnitype deciding those prices based on 100 MOQ in 2021 seems totally out of touch with the current demand in the market (not even counting how many extras are bought by vendors these days).
And even more on the 40% kit prices compared to the much bigger 40% kit from SA Espresso
I will gladly join the GB, but with not as many kits as I would have hoped.
Not sure why MOQ was so low, but considering you even built yourself a web page and kept consistent on updates, I would say you should have had more confidence in the set and set a higher MOQ, then again, everything is easier in hindsight.
Once again, love your set!
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I feel it's an act of balance.
Sets like Tuzi or Striker R2 did really well and one of the reasons (amongst many) was probably because their extremely attractive prices (at least it was for me, I wouldn't have joined Tuzi if it was a 145$ base kit and 50$ novelties for example, but the low prices made me impulse buy it).
For Ramses with these current prices, yes they will make more money per kit sold.
But if the kits were cheaper, then maybe they would have sold 30% more kits or even more, and thus potentially making even more money.
Again I just want to reiterate that this is not a criticism towards your beautiful set Atlanticise.
This is just some disapointment since I feel many of us will not be able to pick up as many kits as we hoped or for some even pass entirely on the set due to the prices being higher than we imagined they would be.
Post by: Alejo1707 on Sun, 25 April 2021, 13:02:40
Vendor always tries to maximize profit, so they probably did all the calculation before deciding to go with this low moq.Same here, I would have hoped to join at least 4 kits and an artisan, now I'm thinking on getting only 3, which is a shame on such pretty set.Sorry for the misinformation guys - I misquoted the MOQ to dvorcol, it's 50 for the 40s kit. We will get that fixed at the next milestone update!
I understand your frustration with the pricing but the prices were decided by Omnitype, who has the final say as the main vendor. I am very grateful for all your support, even if the price does not agree with you this time, but this is not going to change and I hope that everyone can accept this with grace and love, which is much needed in this hobby. :thumb: :thumb:
Ah yikes. No one did not accept. We just pointed something out. No one wants it to change, We said its sad for your set that this was the prices decided on.
I dont know why Omnitype decided on this price as I see it more of a hindrance for such a good set.
Sorry for pointing something out that seems to have bothered you. Fact is also that people need to point out overly high prices in this hobby that we all love. Because things like that, to me make it so hard for people to join this hobby and it makes it come across as closed off and snobbish.
Exactly, the goal wasn't to be negative towards your GB.
It's just as thicthock pointed out that those prices seem like a hindrance for such a gorgeous set and I am sure it could have done even better with a higher MOQ price that's all.
I know nothing can be changed now.
The IC was clearly very popular, and Omnitype deciding those prices based on 100 MOQ in 2021 seems totally out of touch with the current demand in the market (not even counting how many extras are bought by vendors these days).
And even more on the 40% kit prices compared to the much bigger 40% kit from SA Espresso
I will gladly join the GB, but with not as many kits as I would have hoped.
Not sure why MOQ was so low, but considering you even built yourself a web page and kept consistent on updates, I would say you should have had more confidence in the set and set a higher MOQ, then again, everything is easier in hindsight.
Once again, love your set!
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I feel it's an act of balance.
Sets like Tuzi or Striker R2 did really well and one of the reasons (amongst many) was probably because their extremely attractive prices (at least it was for me, I wouldn't have joined Tuzi if it was a 145$ base kit and 50$ novelties for example, but the low prices made me impulse buy it).
For Ramses with these current prices, yes they will make more money per kit sold.
But if the kits were cheaper, then maybe they would have sold 30% more kits or even more, and thus potentially making even more money.
Again I just want to reiterate that this is not a criticism towards your beautiful set Atlanticise.
This is just some disapointment since I feel many of us will not be able to pick up as many kits as we hoped or for some even pass entirely on the set due to the prices being higher than we imagined they would be.
Alight, at this point is gonna be a quote from my quote, from somebody else's quote and so on and so on, but at least to keep things consistent :P
I cannot agree more with you. The prices put on this set are close to insane! And it saddens me that I won't see many people with SA Ramses because they decided it was too pricey for them. Moreover, with all the GMK hype, SA is not one of the most popular profiles out there, which already rule out many enthusiasts, so I don't know how well this one will do.
Reiterating on what CookieFlow said, this is not meant to be an attack against you atlanticise, for how you handled the IC and even negative commentaries has been superb, we both love your set and will support you ;D
Post by: atlanticise on Mon, 26 April 2021, 03:12:34
Post by: nvh2092 on Mon, 26 April 2021, 03:20:41
Y'all are so nice!! Thank you for supporting my set, as I said this is really very very heartwarming to see. I know that pricing is a little painful and I only meant that I didn't want to start pointing fingers or stirring up drama. It's a choice that the vendors made and if it affects sales and their profit, then so be it - I cannot control that either ^-^I feel sad for you actually, you made a great set in a great IC, took every feedback and even made a website for it. People love it until vendor decided to go with crazy pricing. I think you deserve better than this and we also deserve better than this...
Post by: thicthock on Mon, 26 April 2021, 22:28:33
Y'all are so nice!! Thank you for supporting my set, as I said this is really very very heartwarming to see. I know that pricing is a little painful and I only meant that I didn't want to start pointing fingers or stirring up drama. It's a choice that the vendors made and if it affects sales and their profit, then so be it - I cannot control that either ^-^I feel sad for you actually, you made a great set in a great IC, took every feedback and even made a website for it. People love it until vendor decided to go with crazy pricing. I think you deserve better than this and we also deserve better than this...
This so many times. it makes me sad knowing how well and how much it was worked on and then it's chances get effed by a greedy vendor.
Post by: Pluto19 on Tue, 27 April 2021, 00:19:24
Post by: Cubic // esc lab on Tue, 27 April 2021, 03:41:17
Amazing how much effort and heart and love you put into this. I know it's gonna be an amazing one
Post by: dvorcol on Fri, 30 April 2021, 00:14:41
Post by: ImperfectLink on Mon, 03 May 2021, 08:17:00
Sadly, I'll have to pass. GLWGB
Post by: Alejo1707 on Thu, 06 May 2021, 15:03:48
Imagine what would happen if the prices wouldn't have been so steepShow Image(https://i.postimg.cc/BsbVV8gS/SAramses-Orders210429.png)
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Post by: dvorcol on Thu, 06 May 2021, 23:25:18
Post by: Pluto19 on Fri, 07 May 2021, 14:05:52
I feel like there's a lot missing, but have the IC form responses and/or feedback been shared? I'm curious how many submissions that got.Figured I'd ask again, but any IC form data to be shared?
Post by: thechemtrailkid on Fri, 07 May 2021, 16:22:59
Post by: PradyXT on Mon, 10 May 2021, 12:06:30
Post by: oyinbo_pikin on Tue, 11 May 2021, 22:41:02
Post by: Alejo1707 on Wed, 12 May 2021, 01:58:41
I bought every kit including 40s and Ortho. I hope they make MOQ.I joined you on the ortho kit, hopefully it does hit MOQ!
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Post by: CodyMathis123 on Wed, 12 May 2021, 09:16:36
Post by: Deputy1234 on Wed, 12 May 2021, 10:17:12
Post by: Bub on Wed, 12 May 2021, 10:42:31
fwiw, i think this set would look quite good on GMK's abs keys :thumb:
Post by: dvorcol on Fri, 14 May 2021, 17:28:15
Post by: Alejo1707 on Fri, 14 May 2021, 17:45:27
Post by: thechemtrailkid on Fri, 14 May 2021, 17:50:04
Post by: Alejo1707 on Fri, 14 May 2021, 18:05:33
What are the typical breakpoints for units sold in regards to price reductions for SA?
I would love to know that as well. Nile alphas, sand mods, and novelties exceed the MOQ by a large margin.
Post by: IOVERCALLHISTIOCYTES on Fri, 14 May 2021, 23:17:13
What are the typical breakpoints for units sold in regards to price reductions for SA?
Here’s Carbon R2
https://massdrop-s3.imgix.net/product-images/gmk-carbon-custom-keycap-set/FP/thlX0KGvSYSd8bhs9ftQ_community%20(1).jpg
50, 100, 150, 250, 500, 1000 back in the day. Pricing at 500 MOQ would cover TKL for under 100.
Post by: atlanticise on Mon, 17 May 2021, 01:56:46
What are the typical breakpoints for units sold in regards to price reductions for SA?
Here’s Carbon R2
https://massdrop-s3.imgix.net/product-images/gmk-carbon-custom-keycap-set/FP/thlX0KGvSYSd8bhs9ftQ_community%20(1).jpg
50, 100, 150, 250, 500, 1000 back in the day. Pricing at 500 MOQ would cover TKL for under 100.
What are the typical breakpoints for units sold in regards to price reductions for SA?
Here’s Carbon R2
https://massdrop-s3.imgix.net/product-images/gmk-carbon-custom-keycap-set/FP/thlX0KGvSYSd8bhs9ftQ_community%20(1).jpg
50, 100, 150, 250, 500, 1000 back in the day. Pricing at 500 MOQ would cover TKL for under 100.
Thanks for this! I don't have access to the cost prices as it was all handled by the vendor, so I'm afraid I don't have any further details to add.
Post by: Starston3 on Mon, 17 May 2021, 12:02:25
What are the typical breakpoints for units sold in regards to price reductions for SA?
Here’s Carbon R2
https://massdrop-s3.imgix.net/product-images/gmk-carbon-custom-keycap-set/FP/thlX0KGvSYSd8bhs9ftQ_community%20(1).jpg
50, 100, 150, 250, 500, 1000 back in the day. Pricing at 500 MOQ would cover TKL for under 100.
This is pretty disingenuous as SA Carbon R2 ran 4 years ago.... a closer approximation would be Carbon R3 which sold much lower quantities. Also the picture you link to is for the GMK base kit (it's even in the link 'massdrop-s3.imgix.net/product-images/gmk-carbon-custom-keycap-set/FP/thlX0KGvSYSd8bhs9ftQ_community%20(1).jpg')
https://massdrop-s3.imgix.net/img_comment/1604352711866.577815188949150072942065-SAcarbonR3status201030fin.PNG?auto=format&fm=jpg&fit=max&w=796&h=425&dpr=1&q=70
Another example could have been Skyriter (which was bought out by NK_) https://postimg.cc/1VhGHYpt
At least the pricing for this set wasn't like SA 8010 https://imgur.com/DCFlqQB
Post by: Indigu on Mon, 17 May 2021, 12:17:49
Post by: thechemtrailkid on Mon, 17 May 2021, 12:54:42
What are the typical breakpoints for units sold in regards to price reductions for SA?
Here’s Carbon R2
https://massdrop-s3.imgix.net/product-images/gmk-carbon-custom-keycap-set/FP/thlX0KGvSYSd8bhs9ftQ_community%20(1).jpg
50, 100, 150, 250, 500, 1000 back in the day. Pricing at 500 MOQ would cover TKL for under 100.
This is pretty disingenuous as SA Carbon R2 ran 4 years ago.... a closer approximation would be Carbon R3 which sold much lower quantities. Also the picture you link to is for the GMK base kit (it's even in the link 'massdrop-s3.imgix.net/product-images/gmk-carbon-custom-keycap-set/FP/thlX0KGvSYSd8bhs9ftQ_community%20(1).jpg')
https://massdrop-s3.imgix.net/img_comment/1604352711866.577815188949150072942065-SAcarbonR3status201030fin.PNG?auto=format&fm=jpg&fit=max&w=796&h=425&dpr=1&q=70
Another example could have been Skyriter (which was bought out by NK_) https://postimg.cc/1VhGHYpt
At least the pricing for this set wasn't like SA 8010 https://imgur.com/DCFlqQB
That makes more sense. I was confused why there was a "base" kit and why it cost so much. It will be interesting to see how many extras vendors order.
Post by: dvorcol on Sun, 23 May 2021, 23:13:50
Post by: Pluto19 on Mon, 24 May 2021, 01:23:27
Post by: thechemtrailkid on Mon, 24 May 2021, 11:18:30
Post by: rooski15 on Fri, 28 May 2021, 16:39:39
Woah, those final numbers are something, at least tripling most kits MOQs before extras. No idea what data could have led someone to believe the set would perform so-so. Going to make a killing on those extras though.
I put this on Omni; this is consistent with their kitting preferences and it is a real shame to see.
SA Copper just launched today with more realistic MOQ, better prices, and improved kitting.
Below isn't even an entirely appropriate comparison, as 40s + Ortho are combined in Copper and do not require TKL modifiers or a spacebar kit to be purchased.
A 40s user could outfit a board for $120 with Copper vs $230 for the same 40s coverage with Ramses.
Vendor lack of faith or poor MOQ / kitting decisions made this set entirely unrealistic for many.
| Kit | Ramses (MOQ) | Copper (MOQ) |
| Alphas | $55 (100) | $40 (250) |
| Mods | $85 (100) | $80 (200) |
| Numpad | $45 (50) | $35 (75) |
| Ortho & 40s | $45 + $50 (25 / 50) | $80 (50) |
| Total for above kits | $280 | $235 |
Source:
Ramses
https://imgur.com/xu7thHj (https://imgur.com/xu7thHj)
Copper
https://imgur.com/Wz49p6P (https://imgur.com/Wz49p6P)
Post by: Alejo1707 on Sun, 30 May 2021, 12:43:54
Goddamm mate, thanks for such comparison, I saw SA Dirt (Copper) going live, but since I did not care for it, never checked its price. Yeah, I said it before and say it again, such a shame that this beautiful set got handicapped by going with Omnitype.Woah, those final numbers are something, at least tripling most kits MOQs before extras. No idea what data could have led someone to believe the set would perform so-so. Going to make a killing on those extras though.
I put this on Omni; this is consistent with their kitting preferences and it is a real shame to see.
SA Copper just launched today with more realistic MOQ, better prices, and improved kitting.
Below isn't even an entirely appropriate comparison, as 40s + Ortho are combined in Copper and do not require TKL modifiers or a spacebar kit to be purchased.
A 40s user could outfit a board for $120 with Copper vs $230 for the same 40s coverage with Ramses.
Vendor lack of faith or poor MOQ / kitting decisions made this set entirely unrealistic for many.
Kit Ramses (MOQ) Copper (MOQ) Alphas $55 (100) $40 (250) Mods $85 (100) $80 (200) Numpad $45 (50) $35 (75) Ortho & 40s $45 + $50 (25 / 50) $80 (50) Total for above kits $280 $235
Source:
Ramses
https://imgur.com/xu7thHj (https://imgur.com/xu7thHj)
Copper
https://imgur.com/Wz49p6P (https://imgur.com/Wz49p6P)
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Post by: AlphaPeon on Tue, 01 February 2022, 23:23:08
Post by: thechemtrailkid on Sat, 12 March 2022, 00:40:21
Post by: Friendship on Mon, 14 March 2022, 09:23:53
https://omnitype.com/blogs/timelines/sa-ramses
Post by: AlphaPeon on Tue, 15 March 2022, 16:26:47
Post by: Friendship on Wed, 16 March 2022, 12:14:33
Yes, but even that "latest" information is nearly a year old.
yea i do agree that its a tad longer than usual for the color matching round 1 at the very least
Post by: Keyboard Lab on Thu, 17 March 2022, 01:49:27
Post by: geistmate on Wed, 13 April 2022, 00:09:33
Post by: beeboop on Sat, 16 April 2022, 10:23:17
Any plans for another round in the future?
Post by: grezeh on Sat, 23 April 2022, 09:01:50
Post by: Camels on Fri, 13 May 2022, 15:01:40
SA Ramses:
+ The deskpad manufacturer estimates that they will be ready to ship from their warehouse to ours at the end of this month.
+ Signature Plastics has updated us that they do not yet have color matches from their suppliers but assured us they would send them as soon as they do. While SA Ramses is in their schedule for an end of October completion, they are still running a couple of months behind and won't know how/if that will affect our order until closer to time.
Post by: thedesigner2011 on Mon, 16 May 2022, 15:21:25
Just got a general update letter from Omnitype with updates for a few of their in production keycap sets. Here's what it said about Ramses:
SA Ramses:
+ The deskpad manufacturer estimates that they will be ready to ship from their warehouse to ours at the end of this month.
+ Signature Plastics has updated us that they do not yet have color matches from their suppliers but assured us they would send them as soon as they do. While SA Ramses is in their schedule for an end of October completion, they are still running a couple of months behind and won't know how/if that will affect our order until closer to time.
I saw that too, is it normal for SP not to have color matched samples after a year? I know most of not all manufacturers are still behind thanks to the pandemic but it feels like SP is maybe more than a few months behind.
Post by: IOVERCALLHISTIOCYTES on Mon, 16 May 2022, 15:42:36
Post by: atlanticise on Thu, 14 July 2022, 00:11:53
That said I come with a great update: the colour samples arrived! SP took their time but they got the colours exactly right on their first try.
Just to recap here are the colour combinations:
Dark green alphas: RAL6012 with TBT legends
Beige mods: TN with RAL8000 legends
Accents: RAL8000 with TN legends
Custom colours: RAL6012, RAL8000
Stock colours: TBT, TN
I'm not a good photographer but I tried my best to capture the colours together with the swatches from the colour book, and together with the other stock colours chosen. Everything fits perfectly with what I envisioned and I hope you all think so too!
(https://i.imgur.com/htYqsYl.jpg)
Above: All the colours with a white chip for calibration.
(https://i.imgur.com/yNyQnj0.jpg)
Above: All the colours without the white chip.
(https://i.imgur.com/t6yNkvi.jpg)
Above: All the colours against the colours in the book.
Final verdict: The colours have been APPROVED <3
Click here (https://imgur.com/a/JxTbgJK) for the full album that simply includes the original unedited photos as well.
Once again I thank you for your support and patience. Though I would love to give you updates every single day, I am just a designer in the end. Please check Omnitype's update page for news. I will always update here and on my instagram @avr.ocado (https://www.instagram.com/avr.ocado/) if I have anything to share, but ultimately all my news also comes from Omnitype, who are the ones communicating directly with SP.
Omnitype update page (it takes awhile to get updated): https://omnitype.com/blogs/timelines/sa-ramses (https://omnitype.com/blogs/timelines/sa-ramses)
Omnitype weekly updates (sometimes includes tiny anecdotes like how they just received colour samples): https://omnitype.com/blogs/updates (https://omnitype.com/blogs/updates)
Anticipated FAQ: Why are the chips half textured and half glossy? Which will SA Ramses be?
To my knowledge, plastic colour chips are always made in textured/glossy versions because we perceive colour differently depending on the texture of the material. Insert a scientific description about light and reflectiveness here, but I hope you get where I'm coming from. People getting colour samples will look at both surfaces and consider the effect based on whatever they're going to apply the colour to. In our case, all SA sets (that I know of) do not have a rough surface, so you would expect the colour to be a little more akin to the glossy part of the sample. However, we all know that ABS caps don't come to you glossy - that only comes after heavy use due to the oils on our fingers transferring to the caps. So the texture of the cap, I can only describe to you as somewhat satiny (SA set users, if you have a better word for it, please jump in). The effect on the shade of the colour will be minimal: it won't be as deep as the full gloss texture, neither will it be as light as the shade is for the rough-surfaced sample. This is why it was so difficult to render the keycap set, because even in renders there are certain lighting setups and even different texture values used, which all affect the shade of the colours that you perceive, and it doesn't help that the green I chose is extremely dark, yet may appear greyish from certain angles. I hope the pictures of the chips and my verbal description helps in constructing a rough mental image of how the colours will turn out. Only look at the renders from this GB thread or the vendor websites, as my older renders floating around on my IG or Reddit might have been poorly done. Even the latest ones right now I can't say for sure if it's accurate, but it does match what I'm envisioning when I look at the actual colour chip in hand. If you still have doubts about the colour, please find a RAL K7 book (or a friend who has one, or maybe a shop, idk if they have these books in shops?) and look at RAL6012 and RAL8000. That's the best advice I can give you right now, and I hope I have done everything in my power to show you what to expect!
Peace and love and all the good GB juju to everyone. May the machines go brrrrr and the delivery companies go zooooom <3
Post by: andromache on Thu, 14 July 2022, 09:02:52
So excited to see colors approved! This set will be worth the wait.
Post by: nickthaskater on Mon, 18 July 2022, 19:07:41
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Post by: Luna on Mon, 07 November 2022, 17:04:41
Post by: Ghostly on Mon, 07 November 2022, 21:05:14
Post by: Fredington on Tue, 07 February 2023, 13:47:16
Post by: Luna on Tue, 07 February 2023, 13:53:53
Just got mine. Beautiful set, but lack of HHKB Control is very disappointing. Also, a number of keys (particularly those on R4) are very loose.
What vendor do yours come from?
Post by: CodyMathis123 on Fri, 10 February 2023, 14:41:22
Couple of the sets cobbled together on a e-white Cornelius.
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Post by: Sieglinde on Fri, 10 February 2023, 17:00:38
Post by: CodyMathis123 on Sat, 11 February 2023, 09:11:14
Just got mine. Beautiful set, but lack of HHKB Control is very disappointing. Also, a number of keys (particularly those on R4) are very loose.
What vendor do yours come from?
Where did you guys get yours from?!!
I ordered from Omnitype.
Post by: calldrop on Sun, 12 February 2023, 22:03:32
Post by: cijanzen on Mon, 20 February 2023, 16:13:50
Post by: calldrop on Tue, 21 February 2023, 02:02:21
Post by: Luna on Tue, 21 February 2023, 05:46:45
did you receive the key caps in bags? or were they on a tray?To my knowledge SA always comes in bags.
Post by: thechemtrailkid on Thu, 23 February 2023, 13:05:48
Post by: forsee on Wed, 01 March 2023, 13:01:34