A minor detail, but I noticed the R4 caps lock is shown as 1.75u when it's actually a 1.5u key.Oppsy, will get that changed with next overhaul
Great kitting btw, I'm going to be 100% in on this set!
Very nais, also gb estimated date has typoSorry, haven't had coffee yet.
Xbox Backspace best backspace. Plz keep it!!!
second for ditching that horrible xbox backspace, also any way we could get a mod colored tilde added for hhkb layouts?mod colored tilde will be added (oversight on my part)
As long as this doesn't push back JTK Griseann, I'm down with this.I will have a GB date shortly, with prices to come soon after.
Not a Collaboration between HoodrowThrillson and OneCreativeMind (sayonara good friend)
The xbox vs regular HHKB backspace. Now, this is purely a debate over aesthetics. I will sleep on this. Maybe I add one or the other, maybe I just add both? I don't know, but personally, xbox speaks nostalgia for me.
But again, I need to sleep on it.
How is the quality of JTK's legends now? The only JTK set I had, which as a PoW, had bad legends but it was a really old set.
1.25u convex for spacebars kit? Aditional 1u convex will be good too. Will be the same as previous JTK spacebars kits.I've seen other JTK spacebar kits but I really don't understand why some of those keys should be in there.
JTK spacebars are cheap, I guess it should not be a problem to extend this.
How is the quality of JTK's legends now? The only JTK set I had, which as a PoW, had bad legends but it was a really old set.
1.25u convex for spacebars kit? Aditional 1u convex will be good too. Will be the same as previous JTK spacebars kits.I've seen other JTK spacebar kits but I really don't understand why some of those keys should be in there.
JTK spacebars are cheap, I guess it should not be a problem to extend this.
It is cheap but I don't want to waste keys that people won't use.
:thumb:Quote1.25u convex for spacebars kit? Aditional 1u convex will be good too. Will be the same as previous JTK spacebars kits.I've seen other JTK spacebar kits but I really don't understand why some of those keys should be in there.
JTK spacebars are cheap, I guess it should not be a problem to extend this.
It is cheap but I don't want to waste keys that people won't use.
1.25c is used for split 6.25 spacebar. I believe 1.75c isn't used outside 40s, so it may be worth getting rid of (please correct me if I'm wrong on this).
I would like to see some led keycaps in the base kit, it would be 100% perfect then.I asked JTK about this before the IC but they really really really hate doing stepped caps.
Like for tab key, num lock and scroll lock. Thanks.
What does "Not a Collaboration between HoodrowThrillson and OneCreativeMind (sayonara good friend)" mean?
What does "Not a Collaboration between HoodrowThrillson and OneCreativeMind (sayonara good friend)" mean?
HoodrowThrillson has regularly collaborated with OneCreativeMind, however OCM has recently decided to take a break from the hobby and community.
FYI, wasting keys is exactly what you're doing by including 1.75u spaces in both this set's and JTK Tripleshot Griseann/RA's spacebar kits. :)1.25u convex for spacebars kit? Aditional 1u convex will be good too. Will be the same as previous JTK spacebars kits.I've seen other JTK spacebar kits but I really don't understand why some of those keys should be in there.
JTK spacebars are cheap, I guess it should not be a problem to extend this.
It is cheap but I don't want to waste keys that people won't use.
1.25c is used for split 6.25 spacebar. I believe 1.75c isn't used outside 40s, so it may be worth getting rid of (please correct me if I'm wrong on this).This is correct. 1.25u is used for standard split 6.25u space and Alice spaces. 1u is used for Alice spaces and orthos. 1.75u is only used by a few staggered 40% boards.
Would you consider adding the (monochrome) retro windows key like what classic beige/ka1953 had?Maybe (I think I asked JTK about making it and they said no, gotta double check)
Nice. Very important question, though:1) This will be using the JTK Cyrillic molds (love em or hate em, they're there). (Thank you for bringing this up)
Will this set be reusing JTK's bad Cyrillic tripleshot molds, or will new ones be created like the renders suggest?
I couldn't find this info anywhere in the OP or the rest of the thread. Please confirm this, as those existing JTK molds are a deal-breaker for myself and other people who care about having correct (= not horribly disfigured) Cyrillic legends.
A few additional things:
- Ё sublegends will need to go in the bottom-right corner instead of top-right. Similarly, / sublegends will need to go in the top-right corner.
- See here (https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=108456.msg2954972#msg2954972) for an explanation.
- Examples of sets that get this right: EPBT 6085 (https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=108456.0), IFK Dark Cyrillic (https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=107255.0), GMK Cyrillic Beige Add-On (https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=104745.msg2956101#msg2956101), this OG Cherry dyesub set (https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/729256795159265360/752682388609302548/f1f3b1326673.png) (fixes Ё, but still gets / wrong).
- Like in JTK Tripleshot Griseann/RA, the ISO-UK alpha keys are missing the appropriate sublegends. You will effectively end up having (quite noticeable) “holes” in the sublegends by not including these.
- Solution: either add the missing sublegends to the appropriate keys, or replace ISO-UK keys with basic 4-key ISO support.
- The latter approach makes more sense, imo. It means that less tripleshot molds need to be created. Also, people that use ISO-UK keys only make up around 2.58% (https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1vyY5EjTfzo6YXp_xwQYN_ffcoB0fXdNl8nc0WDteobs/edit?usp=sharing) of users in the community, which is quite a small minority.
FYI, wasting keys is exactly what you're doing by including 1.75u spaces in both this set's and JTK Tripleshot Griseann/RA's spacebar kits. :)1.25u convex for spacebars kit? Aditional 1u convex will be good too. Will be the same as previous JTK spacebars kits.I've seen other JTK spacebar kits but I really don't understand why some of those keys should be in there.
JTK spacebars are cheap, I guess it should not be a problem to extend this.
It is cheap but I don't want to waste keys that people won't use.1.25c is used for split 6.25 spacebar. I believe 1.75c isn't used outside 40s, so it may be worth getting rid of (please correct me if I'm wrong on this).This is correct. 1.25u is used for standard split 6.25u space and Alice spaces. 1u is used for Alice spaces and orthos. 1.75u is only used by a few staggered 40% boards.
Sad, but quite a relief. I thought he died or something.What does "Not a Collaboration between HoodrowThrillson and OneCreativeMind (sayonara good friend)" mean?
HoodrowThrillson has regularly collaborated with OneCreativeMind, however OCM has recently decided to take a break from the hobby and community.
This is correct.
OCM was my best friend and although I can still talk to him, not being able to collaborate on future projects is sad. I hope to see him come back, regardless of how long it'll take.
I like everything about this except the red text on the modifiers for alt gr and the others. Any possibility of extra mods without the red text or just black text?
I like everything about this except the red text on the modifiers for alt gr and the others. Any possibility of extra mods without the red text or just black text?
I think I do agree with Wholy on this, the red "Gr" is not my favorite, an all black Alt Gr would be nice to have.
I like everything about this except the red text on the modifiers for alt gr and the others. Any possibility of extra mods without the red text or just black text?The only mod that has a red text is Alt Gr. I can add an additional black Alt Gr.
nice work. is there a possibility of adding R1 and R4 cherry icons?something something copyright something something, so sadly no.
I like everything about this except the red text on the modifiers for alt gr and the others. Any possibility of extra mods without the red text or just black text?The only mod that has a red text is Alt Gr. I can add an additional black Alt Gr.
A set like this calls for Alt Gr and I totally understand why some people would prefer to have either regular Alt or an all black Alt Gr. In it's current form it is a bit jarring but I thought I'd offer it since this mold is going to be made with JTK Griseann/RA.I like everything about this except the red text on the modifiers for alt gr and the others. Any possibility of extra mods without the red text or just black text?The only mod that has a red text is Alt Gr. I can add an additional black Alt Gr.
Honestly I'd prefer just a regular alt key with no "gr", but if you can do an additional 1.5u and 1.25u alt gr with black text that would be a amazing.
I like everything about this except the red text on the modifiers for alt gr and the others. Any possibility of extra mods without the red text or just black text?The only mod that has a red text is Alt Gr. I can add an additional black Alt Gr.
It's a mixed bag. Sorta like the HHKB backspace being an xbox or a regular backspace.I like everything about this except the red text on the modifiers for alt gr and the others. Any possibility of extra mods without the red text or just black text?The only mod that has a red text is Alt Gr. I can add an additional black Alt Gr.
From a logical standpoint, both Alt Gr and Alt Gr make sense, so either is fine. But I would recommend sticking to just one or the other to avoid unnecessary keys.
something something copyright something something, so sadly no.
I will be getting updated renders soon.
Updated kits
Updated kits
🙏Updated kits
Bless the backspace key.
Yessir, these files were created from what JTK sent me.Updated kits
Thank you for updating the renders with legends reflective of the final product :thumb:
Updated board renders
F13 added
Non X Box BS added
However, with these additions, I may cut the R4 Caps Lock.
Now, R4 Caps Lock is used to replace a Control key if people are using Control in the traditional Caps Lock location.
Updated board renders
F13 added
Non X Box BS added
However, with these additions, I may cut the R4 Caps Lock.
Now, R4 Caps Lock is used to replace a Control key if people are using Control in the traditional Caps Lock location.
Yeah, I def won't miss the R4 caps lock if you need to drop it.
R3 Control, please.
R3 Control, please.
Look closer
Yeah, JTK has certianly skirted copyrights in the past (JW / John Wick comes to mind).something something copyright something something, so sadly no.
I will be getting updated renders soon.
ah bummer. thought it would be possible as i've seen it on JTK sets in the past and figured they would have the moulds for it but i understand it's better to be on the safe side of things regarding copyright
I mean, I could always ask and see. Will DM them later this week to see what's up.Yeah, JTK has certianly skirted copyrights in the past (JW / John Wick comes to mind).something something copyright something something, so sadly no.
I will be getting updated renders soon.
ah bummer. thought it would be possible as i've seen it on JTK sets in the past and figured they would have the moulds for it but i understand it's better to be on the safe side of things regarding copyright
Seems JTK has no problem including a 'cherry' logo keycap in its sets. You can check out some of their stuff here (https://mechanicalkeyboards.com/shop/index.php?l=product_list&c=804). Not that i would ever put a cherry cap on my keeb... :rolleyes:I'm gonna pushback and see if we can get them made because "classic retro" won't be that without some cherry keys.Show Image(https://mechanicalkeyboards.com/shop/images/products/large_4088_large_JTK006_5.jpg)Show Image(https://mechanicalkeyboards.com/shop/images/products/large_4086_large_JTK003_5.jpg)
Can you add R4:Tilde/GraveAccent/Ё with Ё in the bottom right please?Explain to me why and I will consider. I'm assuming this has to be some sort of ISO related key?
Can you add R4:Tilde/GraveAccent/Ё with Ё in the bottom right please?
Yes this is ISO related, specifically 60%/65% ISO.Can you add R4:Tilde/GraveAccent/Ё with Ё in the bottom right please?Explain to me why and I will consider. I'm assuming this has to be some sort of ISO related key?
No it wasn't about MAC layout since it would require Pipe/Backslash/Ё (R3 for ISO & 1.5U:R2 for ANSI) and some further modifications in number row.Can you add R4:Tilde/GraveAccent/Ё with Ё in the bottom right please?
This is by all measures a very non-standard key. Are you asking this because you're a Mac user? Custom keycap sets are seldom based on Mac-specific layouts, and so far I haven't seen any sets include R1 §± and R4 `~.
As for the Ё legend, yes it should be in the bottom right corner, but unfortunately JTK's molds are the way they are. So until another set comes along and fixes the issues, we'll have to live with them.
Definitely considering this option no matter how the EPBT one ends up.
It's nice to have different material option ! Also nice kitting.
Nice, def in.
Is the 6u spacebar centered or off-centered? Wanting some compatibility for topre hhkb.
Please consider icon modsSince this is a "classic retro" type set, icon mods have no place in this
is there an estimate for prices? or is it too far out to get a good estimate rnOnce final kitting is made, we will get quotes.
- Removed R3 control (both variants)
I'll probably add those back in, my mistake. I realized JTK already has the mold for R3 control (maybe not for stepped so that one I'll think about a little harder).
- Removed R3 control (both variants)
Why would you remove hhkb support? Why not remove one of the two now irrelevant 1.5u backspaces instead?
I'll probably add those back in, my mistake. I realized JTK already has the mold for R3 control (maybe not for stepped so that one I'll think about a little harder).
- Removed R3 control (both variants)
Why would you remove hhkb support? Why not remove one of the two now irrelevant 1.5u backspaces instead?
Since I'm not an HHKB user, I'm not sure how many people use stepped control.
I'll probably add those back in, my mistake. I realized JTK already has the mold for R3 control (maybe not for stepped so that one I'll think about a little harder).
- Removed R3 control (both variants)
Why would you remove hhkb support? Why not remove one of the two now irrelevant 1.5u backspaces instead?
Since I'm not an HHKB user, I'm not sure how many people use stepped control.
Very much on board with the removal of the triple shot Alt-Gr; personally I'm in favor of the re-introduction of R3 Control.Accent enter on numpad, that I am on the fence but leaning towards no.
Any thoughts on accent-enter for numpad?
Any chance for a separate r5 kit or r5 bottom row?I would love to have R5, however, to my understanding JTK does not have R5 molds
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Small update and some deciding I have to do, letting y'all know for transparency.Why F13 need to be removed if it's doubleshot and not tripleshot? Why extra B needs to be removed if it already has a mold for it?
These keys will require new molds or cost more in general (JTK does not make keys one at a time, rather an entire set at one time)
Mod colored tilde (with triple shot)
F13
1U backslash (with triple shot)
1.5U backslash (with triple shot)
R3 Control and stepped Control
F and J barred (with triple shot)
R4 backslash
Extra B
Alt Gr key
00 for numpad
Now, I have to do the hard part of deciding what to cut and what to keep.
What I do know:
New tripleshot molds are expensive (laughs in JTK Griseann/Royal Alpha)
I'm more inclined to get doubleshot molds made over tripleshot molds.
Possible solutions to some of these:
Mod colored tilde (with triple shot) - change to double shot with no sublegend
F13 - remove
1U backslash (with triple shot) - change to double shot with no sublegend
1.5U backslash (with triple shot) - change to double shot with no sublegend
R3 Control and stepped Control - keep and get mold made
F and J barred (with triple shot) - change to double shot with no sublegend OR get tripleshot mold made
R4 backslash - change to single shot with no sublegend
Extra B - change to single shot with no sublegend OR remove
Alt Gr key - keep and get mold made
00 for numpad - this should be part of JTK Griseann/RA so I've asked about this key.
Thoughts?
For a better understanding of what I'm talking about, I recommend looking at JTK Azure.
Small update and some deciding I have to do, letting y'all know for transparency.I agree with the decision to keep Alt Gr triple shot but would like the barred homing keys to be triple shot as well.
These keys will require new molds or cost more in general (JTK does not make keys one at a time, rather an entire set at one time)
Mod colored tilde (with triple shot)
F13
1U backslash (with triple shot)
1.5U backslash (with triple shot)
R3 Control and stepped Control
F and J barred (with triple shot)
R4 backslash
Extra B
Alt Gr key
00 for numpad
Now, I have to do the hard part of deciding what to cut and what to keep.
What I do know:
New tripleshot molds are expensive (laughs in JTK Griseann/Royal Alpha)
I'm more inclined to get doubleshot molds made over tripleshot molds.
Possible solutions to some of these:
Mod colored tilde (with triple shot) - change to double shot with no sublegend
F13 - remove
1U backslash (with triple shot) - change to double shot with no sublegend
1.5U backslash (with triple shot) - change to double shot with no sublegend
R3 Control and stepped Control - keep and get mold made
F and J barred (with triple shot) - change to double shot with no sublegend OR get tripleshot mold made
R4 backslash - change to single shot with no sublegend
Extra B - change to single shot with no sublegend OR remove
Alt Gr key - keep and get mold made
00 for numpad - this should be part of JTK Griseann/RA so I've asked about this key.
Thoughts?
For a better understanding of what I'm talking about, I recommend looking at JTK Azure.
Why F13 need to be removed if it's doubleshot and not tripleshot? Why extra B needs to be removed if it already has a mold for it?
I agree with the decision to keep Alt Gr triple shot but would like the barred homing keys to be triple shot as well.That would require new molds which are way way way more expensive than making a new double shot mold.
I need your help....
the 2nd B, not both.I need your help....
in regards to being okay with a doubleshot b, does that mean second b or both b keycaps? the circling on the kit render seems like it's regarding second b, but i wanted to clarify and make sure.
nooo please run this set!!Still wouldn't solve the problem of missing certain keys. People would be locked into alpha colored tilde, etc.
Maybe even consider making this an alpha addon set rather than shelfing it
Hello, for HHKB is missing in "Alt Alphas" kit: R1 1U <\|> keycap only wit black legends. It's only in "Base kit" but with black/red legends.
Nothing? :-(
is there any type of ETA on this set? filled out form and very interested on this :)
is there any type of ETA on this set? filled out form and very interested on this :)
No.
Mostly because I need to spend a lot more time figuring out the kitting so it's better.
The biggest problem is the creation of some very important molds, some triple, some double. Although people have answered in the IC form, how they would be okay without certain things, I cannot, in good will, offer something that's missing something as simple as tripleshot barred keys. Another barrier I've ran into is the price. The price will be pretty high in terms of JTK because of the creation of these new molds.
So pretty much I gotta use my brain.
is there any type of ETA on this set? filled out form and very interested on this :)
No.
Mostly because I need to spend a lot more time figuring out the kitting so it's better.
The biggest problem is the creation of some very important molds, some triple, some double. Although people have answered in the IC form, how they would be okay without certain things, I cannot, in good will, offer something that's missing something as simple as tripleshot barred keys. Another barrier I've ran into is the price. The price will be pretty high in terms of JTK because of the creation of these new molds.
So pretty much I gotta use my brain.
You may offer a white-on-black version to help to pay for the new molds needed.
is there any type of ETA on this set? filled out form and very interested on this :)
No.
Mostly because I need to spend a lot more time figuring out the kitting so it's better.
The biggest problem is the creation of some very important molds, some triple, some double. Although people have answered in the IC form, how they would be okay without certain things, I cannot, in good will, offer something that's missing something as simple as tripleshot barred keys. Another barrier I've ran into is the price. The price will be pretty high in terms of JTK because of the creation of these new molds.
So pretty much I gotta use my brain.
You may offer a white-on-black version to help to pay for the new molds needed.
I will talk it over with myself and vendors to determine best course of action, but again, this isn't a high priority item for me currently. Also I've been in a bit of a rut so please bare with me.
any chance this tripleshot hotness gets a little love now that your Classic Retro Zhuyin (https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=114098) is in gmk's hands? :fingerscrossed:
any chance this tripleshot hotness gets a little love now that your Classic Retro Zhuyin (https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=114098) is in gmk's hands? :fingerscrossed:
It's on hold till JTK Griseann/Royal Alpha is complete.
Complete as in shipped. I want to make sure that JTK Griseann/RA is perfect before doing another keyset with JTK.any chance this tripleshot hotness gets a little love now that your Classic Retro Zhuyin (https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=114098) is in gmk's hands? :fingerscrossed:
It's on hold till JTK Griseann/Royal Alpha is complete.
complete as in shipped? or complete after color matching and griseann is in production? yeah, i’ll probably wait 2 or 3 years for this to ship, but sooner would be nice. maybe that’s what you meant by “deep hiatus”?
Complete as in shipped. I want to make sure that JTK Griseann/RA is perfect before doing another keyset with JTK.
The set is still coming ? :)
Yes this project is on hold indefinitely. Primary reasons were certain keys missing (barred triple shot F and J, etc.). JTK Griseann/Royal Alpha is my first interaction with JTK so I'm feeling out that process.The set is still coming ? :)
The thread has not been updated for a long time, which may suggest that the project is on-hold.
Yes this project is on hold indefinitely. Primary reasons were certain keys missing (barred triple shot F and J, etc.). JTK Griseann/Royal Alpha is my first interaction with JTK so I'm feeling out that process.The set is still coming ? :)
The thread has not been updated for a long time, which may suggest that the project is on-hold.