DAMMIT!!!! I can't order one now =( Good eye though!
DAMMIT!!!! I can't order one now =( Good eye though!
With a little patience I'm sure there will be some deals around Black Friday.
Tried the NovaTouch out at Keycon and it was my first Topre experience. I tried the other topre boards there as well (Realforce 45g, 55g, HHKB) and the NovaTouch definitely competes well against other topre boards. The mx stems are a big plus for me. Aren't most Topre boards $200~ minus the Type Heaven? I would have liked it to be a little cheaper but I don't feel like I'm overpaying for it.
Tried the NovaTouch out at Keycon and it was my first Topre experience. I tried the other topre boards there as well (Realforce 45g, 55g, HHKB) and the NovaTouch definitely competes well against other topre boards. The mx stems are a big plus for me. Aren't most Topre boards $200~ minus the Type Heaven? I would have liked it to be a little cheaper but I don't feel like I'm overpaying for it.
Yeah, but other boards (other than the Heaven) have PBT caps, not cheap, thin, pad-printed ABS. It's a hard sale with the looks and caps at $200 to me. It needed to have a more simple case and either higher quality caps or a lower price tag.
Tried the NovaTouch out at Keycon and it was my first Topre experience. I tried the other topre boards there as well (Realforce 45g, 55g, HHKB) and the NovaTouch definitely competes well against other topre boards. The mx stems are a big plus for me. Aren't most Topre boards $200~ minus the Type Heaven? I would have liked it to be a little cheaper but I don't feel like I'm overpaying for it.
Yeah, but other boards (other than the Heaven) have PBT caps, not cheap, thin, pad-printed ABS. It's a hard sale with the looks and caps at $200 to me. It needed to have a more simple case and either higher quality caps or a lower price tag.
Factor in the cost of blank colored PBT keycaps and you'll find that the Novatouch is a lot cheaper than competition. The 10% off coupon will also shave off a bit of the cost.
Tried the NovaTouch out at Keycon and it was my first Topre experience. I tried the other topre boards there as well (Realforce 45g, 55g, HHKB) and the NovaTouch definitely competes well against other topre boards. The mx stems are a big plus for me. Aren't most Topre boards $200~ minus the Type Heaven? I would have liked it to be a little cheaper but I don't feel like I'm overpaying for it.
Yeah, but other boards (other than the Heaven) have PBT caps, not cheap, thin, pad-printed ABS. It's a hard sale with the looks and caps at $200 to me. It needed to have a more simple case and either higher quality caps or a lower price tag.
Factor in the cost of blank colored PBT keycaps and you'll find that the Novatouch is a lot cheaper than competition. The 10% off coupon will also shave off a bit of the cost.
Novelty keyboard? Seriously?
This board will sell just fine, you guys are crazy.
Novelty keyboard? Seriously?
This board will sell just fine, you guys are crazy.
When you consider that if you were going for pure functionality, durability, build, and other objective measures, this keyboard wouldn't stack up to something like a Realforce, yes this is a novelty.
Novelty keyboard? Seriously?
This board will sell just fine, you guys are crazy.
When you consider that if you were going for pure functionality, durability, build, and other objective measures, this keyboard wouldn't stack up to something like a Realforce, yes this is a novelty.
And you're basing this off what exactly? Only a select few have tried this board and they all said it compared very well.
It has NKRO over USB, the realforce does not have NKRO so not sure where you are getting that from. Anyway, I don't see how NKRO is a sign of durability or quality on a keyboard in the first place...Novelty keyboard? Seriously?
This board will sell just fine, you guys are crazy.
When you consider that if you were going for pure functionality, durability, build, and other objective measures, this keyboard wouldn't stack up to something like a Realforce, yes this is a novelty.
And you're basing this off what exactly? Only a select few have tried this board and they all said it compared very well.
Im basing it off the fact that it has no pbt keycaps, has a rubberized finish and will almost certainly not have built in n-key rollover like the Realfoce keyboards. Now although some of that is speculation, the fact that they would attempt to sell a keyboard at $200 when all of their competition has the awareness and attention to detail to at least include a set of high quality keycaps shows the trend which will undoubtedly perpetuation through the rest of the design.
Im basing it off the fact that it has no pbt keycaps, has a rubberized finish and will almost certainly not have built in n-key rollover like the Realfoce keyboards. Now although some of that is speculation, the fact that they would attempt to sell a keyboard at $200 when all of their competition has the awareness and attention to detail to at least include a set of high quality keycaps shows the trend which will undoubtedly perpetuation through the rest of the design.
Novelty keyboard? Seriously?
This board will sell just fine, you guys are crazy.
When you consider that if you were going for pure functionality, durability, build, and other objective measures, this keyboard wouldn't stack up to something like a Realforce, yes this is a novelty.
And you're basing this off what exactly? Only a select few have tried this board and they all said it compared very well.
Im basing it off the fact that it has no pbt keycaps, has a rubberized finish and will almost certainly not have built in n-key rollover like the Realfoce keyboards. Now although some of that is speculation, the fact that they would attempt to sell a keyboard at $200 when all of their competition has the awareness and attention to detail to at least include a set of high quality keycaps shows the trend which will undoubtedly perpetuation through the rest of the design.
Guys the fact of the matter is we can now use all our glorious GMK doubleshots with topre switches.
Maybe someone should write an article about it. ::)
Im basing it off the fact that it has no pbt keycaps, has a rubberized finish and will almost certainly not have built in n-key rollover like the Realfoce keyboards. Now although some of that is speculation, the fact that they would attempt to sell a keyboard at $200 when all of their competition has the awareness and attention to detail to at least include a set of high quality keycaps shows the trend which will undoubtedly perpetuation through the rest of the design.
Latest reports say it's UV coated finish and not rubberized. It does have N-Key rollover. Realforce boards only have 6-key rollover. just sayin'
Normal Topre boards need to provide better quality caps because they have no replacement and customization options.
I kind of look at it like the Poker; it also comes with PBT caps, and yet I'd say a fairly high percentage utilize non-stock caps with their Pokers. Sure, the out-of-the-box option of higher quality caps is nice, but practicality dictates that it's not the best business decision.
Cooler Master, knowing that MX-compatible Topre switches are going to evoke people utilizing their already purchased sets and novelty caps with their board probably didn't want to add to the expense for something that would be essentially useless and re-packed.
Then sell a discounted version without caps. Don't half-ass on quality because you think people will swap the caps out.
I want to see how the quality compares to the RF. If the quality is equal, I still find it a better choice just for the mx compatibility(RF case is ugly too). That's the whole point of this board-- topre switches with mx keycaps.
Also- lol @ people who thought this would be some 60 bucks board simply because it's a CM.
So... now that they are here and after all the hype... who is ACTUALLY buying one from this forum???
So... now that they are here and after all the hype... who is ACTUALLY buying one from this forum???
So... now that they are here and after all the hype... who is ACTUALLY buying one from this forum???
So... now that they are here and after all the hype... who is ACTUALLY buying one from this forum???I am for sure....will be having it delivered to my new address in a few weeks. I'll do a comparison bw it and my other topre boards after I've had a good amount of time on the novatouch.
Thanks for posting AND including a coupon code! :thumb:
This looks awesome. I am drooling thinking about how my GMK Dolch set will look on there, or if I swap the sliders to my RF 55g :eek:. It is only a matter of time before I grab one. :p
So... now that they are here and after all the hype... who is ACTUALLY buying one from this forum???
Thanks for posting AND including a coupon code! :thumb:
This looks awesome. I am drooling thinking about how my GMK Dolch set will look on there, or if I swap the sliders to my RF 55g :eek:. It is only a matter of time before I grab one. :p
In the event you swap the sliders to your RF, where will you get a 6x spacebar?
I'm not sure if everyone knows but if you want to order it from the site rather than waiting for it to get on amazon and whatnot, there's a code 'Survey10' that'll get you 10% off
I'm not sure if everyone knows but if you want to order it from the site rather than waiting for it to get on amazon and whatnot, there's a code 'Survey10' that'll get you 10% offLooking back at Matt3o's prototype photo, it looks like it will be.
Does anyone know if it'll be available in ISO? I'm not too keen on the ANSI layout but i can definitely live with it
I'm not sure if everyone knows but if you want to order it from the site rather than waiting for it to get on amazon and whatnot, there's a code 'Survey10' that'll get you 10% off
Already mentioned in the first two posts of this thread.
Honest opinion here:
I believe the board has a lot of potential for someone who deeply wants to pimp it out. But with such a high price tag i believe the board starts with an handicap. Stock, you get a "cheap" Topre experience for the price of a normal one.
Even with the great lightning options presented in videos, which are flashy yet pretty useless things, or even stupidly for careless users (read here, if you have that "when i press a key it stays light up for 2 seconds then fade away" option, whenever you type in a password you are blatantly unconciously exposing it to anyone near you), you still get a cost saving "économie de bout de chandelle in french which would translate as "candle tip economy" but the expression might not be the same in english" board.
If the MX boards (not MX compatible but real MX boards) are on the same price tags, those are completly out of mind. Sorry, but that would mean they are not selling a Topre board at MX prices, but MX boards at Topre prices.
All in all :
After modification with it's potential unleashed, it should come out as better than other Topre experience. (300$ + option)
Without modification, this is a stupid purchase. For a stock board this is pretty fkin pathetic for 200$ lol
Any ideas as to when it'll be for sale anywhere other than the CM website?
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I wonder if the 200 is a place holder price that they put.
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Too bad those guys can't ever make time to post here.
Honest opinion here:
I believe the board has a lot of potential for someone who deeply wants to pimp it out. But with such a high price tag i believe the board starts with an handicap. Stock, you get a "cheap" Topre experience for the price of a normal one.
Even with the great lightning options presented in videos, which are flashy yet pretty useless things, or even stupidly for careless users (read here, if you have that "when i press a key it stays light up for 2 seconds then fade away" option, whenever you type in a password you are blatantly unconciously exposing it to anyone near you), you still get a cost saving "économie de bout de chandelle in french which would translate as "candle tip economy" but the expression might not be the same in english" board.
If the MX boards (not MX compatible but real MX boards) are on the same price tags, those are completly out of mind. Sorry, but that would mean they are not selling a Topre board at MX prices, but MX boards at Topre prices.
All in all :
After modification with it's potential unleashed, it should come out as better than other Topre experience. (300$ + option)
Without modification, this is a stupid purchase. For a stock board this is pretty fkin pathetic for 200$ lol
You realize this board has no LED's whatsoever right?
Honest opinion here:
I believe the board has a lot of potential for someone who deeply wants to pimp it out. But with such a high price tag i believe the board starts with an handicap. Stock, you get a "cheap" Topre experience for the price of a normal one.
Even with the great lightning options presented in videos, which are flashy yet pretty useless things, or even stupidly for careless users (read here, if you have that "when i press a key it stays light up for 2 seconds then fade away" option, whenever you type in a password you are blatantly unconciously exposing it to anyone near you), you still get a cost saving "économie de bout de chandelle in french which would translate as "candle tip economy" but the expression might not be the same in english" board.
If the MX boards (not MX compatible but real MX boards) are on the same price tags, those are completly out of mind. Sorry, but that would mean they are not selling a Topre board at MX prices, but MX boards at Topre prices.
All in all :
After modification with it's potential unleashed, it should come out as better than other Topre experience. (300$ + option)
Without modification, this is a stupid purchase. For a stock board this is pretty fkin pathetic for 200$ lol
You realize this board has no LED's whatsoever right?
hahahahahahaha really?
But didn't they show some LED action in a video earlier on? I mean this is very sad if there's no LEDs at all... That was the whole point of the board BEFORE the MX stem compatibility, they mentionned it had an ARM chip inside the board making the backlite more versatile.
If there's no LED this is a serious scam for 200$. Get a Leopold 66 instead and you'll have a way better board IMO
Honest opinion here:
I believe the board has a lot of potential for someone who deeply wants to pimp it out. But with such a high price tag i believe the board starts with an handicap. Stock, you get a "cheap" Topre experience for the price of a normal one.
Even with the great lightning options presented in videos, which are flashy yet pretty useless things, or even stupidly for careless users (read here, if you have that "when i press a key it stays light up for 2 seconds then fade away" option, whenever you type in a password you are blatantly unconciously exposing it to anyone near you), you still get a cost saving "économie de bout de chandelle in french which would translate as "candle tip economy" but the expression might not be the same in english" board.
If the MX boards (not MX compatible but real MX boards) are on the same price tags, those are completly out of mind. Sorry, but that would mean they are not selling a Topre board at MX prices, but MX boards at Topre prices.
All in all :
After modification with it's potential unleashed, it should come out as better than other Topre experience. (300$ + option)
Without modification, this is a stupid purchase. For a stock board this is pretty fkin pathetic for 200$ lol
You realize this board has no LED's whatsoever right?
hahahahahahaha really?
But didn't they show some LED action in a video earlier on? I mean this is very sad if there's no LEDs at all... That was the whole point of the board BEFORE the MX stem compatibility, they mentionned it had an ARM chip inside the board making the backlite more versatile.
If there's no LED this is a serious scam for 200$. Get a Leopold 66 instead and you'll have a way better board IMO
I think you have the NovaTouch mixed up with the Rapid-I
Indeed. I'm pretty sure they were presented in the same video and that's why i am confusing them right now.I'm confused. Were you only recommending / hyping the board because you thought it had LEDs? I don't see why everyone's so butthurt over the price. It's $200 for a Topre board with decent aesthetics and aftermarket cap compatibility. That is THE major selling point of this board, IMO. In that aspect it delivers 100%. Yes, you can get a Realforce with PBT caps for around the same price, but if you prefer GMK doubleshots (and if you do $200 is nothing to you, most likely) then you'll happily fork out the $200 so you can use your premium ($150 / set) caps. It sounds like this board wasn't for you to begin with. I don't see why you're bashing it.
Novatouch is now officially a product i will not further recommend or hype.
Especially for 200$ that's a total scam for some stupid stem. Function is always over aesthetics, and if you seriously pay 200$ for a board that only offers above average aesthetic capabilities (which you should note comes with cheap keycaps and so you must spend even more for it to somewhat look nice) than it's not worth it in my very honest opinion.
It might change if it turns out being very good, but for that price tag i'd go type heaven for a inexpensive Topre experience.
Indeed. I'm pretty sure they were presented in the same video and that's why i am confusing them right now.I'm confused. Were you only recommending / hyping the board because you thought it had LEDs? I don't see why everyone's so butthurt over the price. It's $200 for a Topre board with decent aesthetics and aftermarket cap compatibility. That is THE major selling point of this board, IMO. In that aspect it delivers 100%. Yes, you can get a Realforce with PBT caps for around the same price, but if you prefer GMK doubleshots (and if you do $200 is nothing to you, most likely) then you'll happily fork out the $200 so you can use your premium ($150 / set) caps. It sounds like this board wasn't for you to begin with. I don't see why you're bashing it.
Novatouch is now officially a product i will not further recommend or hype.
Especially for 200$ that's a total scam for some stupid stem. Function is always over aesthetics, and if you seriously pay 200$ for a board that only offers above average aesthetic capabilities (which you should note comes with cheap keycaps and so you must spend even more for it to somewhat look nice) than it's not worth it in my very honest opinion.
It might change if it turns out being very good, but for that price tag i'd go type heaven for a inexpensive Topre experience.
You are right, i am being mean to something i have not tested. As a resonable person i admit i wrote too harsh at first.
It's just that i made myself some expectations as usual. There was the hype train as usual with the new content comming and i've always liked CM myself. I was glad to hear about the birth of a new board concept at first and i was very glad that since CM is usually making good bang-for-your-buck device, they would make the Topre experience more available at a competitive price.
But i won't lie to you; todays revelation, if they are final, are totally out of mind versus what i expected. I tought we had an inexpensive MX keycap compatible Topre board with LED backlite which would have been a total revolution imo, but it seems like it's totally out of what i expected.
I was recommending the board for an upcomming release that would shatter the current reality of "oh you want Topre, you gotta bet full price you'll like them cause you can't go with much boards and they're all expensive as fkk". Seems like not. I know for sure tough that this board will come in MX version, which if they are same price, that'll be a total scam.
Anyway, what respectable 200$ boards have ABS keycaps or rubber finish?? I can't recall right away... even the Poker II has very strong PBT caps for half the price!
You are right, i am being mean to something i have not tested. As a resonable person i admit i wrote too harsh at first.
It's just that i made myself some expectations as usual. There was the hype train as usual with the new content comming and i've always liked CM myself. I was glad to hear about the birth of a new board concept at first and i was very glad that since CM is usually making good bang-for-your-buck device, they would make the Topre experience more available at a competitive price.
But i won't lie to you; todays revelation, if they are final, are totally out of mind versus what i expected. I tought we had an inexpensive MX keycap compatible Topre board with LED backlite which would have been a total revolution imo, but it seems like it's totally out of what i expected.
I was recommending the board for an upcomming release that would shatter the current reality of "oh you want Topre, you gotta bet full price you'll like them cause you can't go with much boards and they're all expensive as fkk". Seems like not. I know for sure tough that this board will come in MX version, which if they are same price, that'll be a total scam.
Anyway, what respectable 200$ boards have ABS keycaps or rubber finish?? I can't recall right away... even the Poker II has very strong PBT caps for half the price!
To be honest, the only CM product I use and enjoy is the QFR. I don't really care about the rubberized coating (I know I'm in a minority on this one). It looks ok, and it's well built. The best thing it had going for it was price, as the thing was on sale pretty much constantly throughout its life. Am I a little disappointed with the price? Yeah, a little I suppose. Will I end up buying one? Probably, but I'll wait for coupon codes / rebates to make it more palatable to my budget. If I had $200 just laying around and it was available right now, I'd get it in a heartbeat. Do I need another keyboard? Not really, but I collect them as do most people on this site.
It has never been about practicality to me, nor to many other people here. It's about the feels! Right now Topre is my favorite feels and I want to try a new feeling with different caps and different profiles.
I don't know how possibly wrong it went for the price tag to be 200$. Like seriously, it's the first 200$ CM product i've ever heard of!
I don't know, i just feel like they'll try to sell the "new capacitive switch" just to make a money hit with the board. I believe THEY believe they can convince people to get the board just because the switch is a success in other boards, blinding users from other important things like the keycap material. I agree there has to be a tradeoff somewhere, but if you pay 200$ you should expect 200$ worth of equipment.
I don't know how possibly wrong it went for the price tag to be 200$. Like seriously, it's the first 200$ CM product i've ever heard of!
I don't know, i just feel like they'll try to sell the "new capacitive switch" just to make a money hit with the board. I believe THEY believe they can convince people to get the board just because the switch is a success in other boards, blinding users from other important things like the keycap material. I agree there has to be a tradeoff somewhere, but if you pay 200$ you should expect 200$ worth of equipment.
You're seeing the result of licensing technology from a third party (Topre). They (Tokyo Press) have a vested interest in keeping their product valuable, and to not be cheapened by large manufacturers. Much like Leopold and Fujitsu license the technology to produce the Topre boards they make. Are either of those cheap? Nope, they're not. Topre's getting their money and so is CM, and we're the ones paying the price because it's what we asked for. Nothing went wrong with it, it's just how niche products work. And if this product doesn't sell (due to perceived lack of value) they won't make a 55g board that "everyone is waiting for". They'll just liquidate their stock to cut their losses and move on.
I don't know for fujitsu.
Found this picture on Reddit:Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/XG0m2tp.png)
You're*. Sorry, just had to. :p
I guess it's confirmed that release will be on Sept. 22.
Have you had to replace one before? I thought they were pretty safely tucked away inside the case.I don't know for fujitsu.
PFU-Fujitsu makes HHKB Pro 2. From looking at the teardown pics of the Novatouch it is just as high quality as Realforce boards in a sleek, modern package (understated aesthetics, low profile case, no frills).
The things I'm looking forward to with the Novatouch that few people seem to notice / acknowledge:
- New stabilizers (better design than current Topre IMO)
- Media functions (volume, mute, etc)
- Removable USB cable (ever replaced an attached cable for Realforce? Good luck finding one less than $50)
The biggest of those features IMO stands to be the stabilizers, but I wouldn't discount the removable USB cable because replacing a built in cable sucks to put it plainly.
I don't know for fujitsu.
PFU-Fujitsu makes HHKB Pro 2. From looking at the teardown pics of the Novatouch it is just as high quality as Realforce boards in a sleek, modern package (understated aesthetics, low profile case, no frills).
The things I'm looking forward to with the Novatouch that few people seem to notice / acknowledge:
- New stabilizers (better design than current Topre IMO)
- Media functions (volume, mute, etc)
- Removable USB cable (ever replaced an attached cable for Realforce? Good luck finding one less than $50)
The biggest of those features IMO stands to be the stabilizers, but I wouldn't discount the removable USB cable because replacing a built in cable sucks to put it plainly.
I've had no problem with the Topre stabilizers (or lack thereof), but I imagine it could be different with the MX stems.
Hi everyone,
Just to clarify - this was a mistake on our e-commerce end and was not supposed to go live. There is no product currently available and we are truly sorry for this mistake. This was a simple 'fat finger' of prepping the product information and unfortunately it did not go as intended.
As our way of appreciating those that jumped at this offer:
For those that wish to keep their orders that are already placed, we will give them priority service, free shipping, and a free gift (CM Storm backpack) for the inconvenience.
If you wish to cancel your order, you will receive a full refund.
The choice is yours. We're sorry for the inconvenience but this was truly a mistake. While we understand that it does affect our customer, we understand the reason for this incident was not malicious in any way.
It can only gain from the hype built by Atwood around the WASD/Code, because WASD/Code is nearly impossible to get outside NA.
Indeed. About $60 (!) shipping to the Czech Republic, then add import tax and posts' handling fee. Oh, and let's not forget about the fact that keyboards sold within EU have 2-year warranty as required by law.It can only gain from the hype built by Atwood around the WASD/Code, because WASD/Code is nearly impossible to get outside NA.
WASD itself ships worldwide, as does Massdrop, where the CODE appears regularly.
Hi everyone,
Just to clarify - this was a mistake on our e-commerce end and was not supposed to go live. There is no product currently available and we are truly sorry for this mistake. This was a simple 'fat finger' of prepping the product information and unfortunately it did not go as intended.
As our way of appreciating those that jumped at this offer:
For those that wish to keep their orders that are already placed, we will give them priority service, free shipping, and a free gift (CM Storm backpack) for the inconvenience.
If you wish to cancel your order, you will receive a full refund.
The choice is yours. We're sorry for the inconvenience but this was truly a mistake. While we understand that it does affect our customer, we understand the reason for this incident was not malicious in any way.
Hi everyone,okay, now im sad that I didn't place an order haha. great customer service from CM :thumb: oh and I hope that price was also a mistake :p
Just to clarify - this was a mistake on our e-commerce end and was not supposed to go live. There is no product currently available and we are truly sorry for this mistake. This was a simple 'fat finger' of prepping the product information and unfortunately it did not go as intended.
As our way of appreciating those that jumped at this offer:
For those that wish to keep their orders that are already placed, we will give them priority service, free shipping, and a free gift (CM Storm backpack) for the inconvenience.
If you wish to cancel your order, you will receive a full refund.
The choice is yours. We're sorry for the inconvenience but this was truly a mistake. While we understand that it does affect our customer, we understand the reason for this incident was not malicious in any way.
Reading these threads makes me seriously feel like Realforce are paying people to bash this thing.I think it is because people were hoping for type heaven cost, not leopold fc660c cost. And if I remember correctly, all the CM employees kept throwing around $150-180 as a estimated cost of the board.
Never before have I seen an innovative product bashed so hard even though it has a competitive price.
Yeah, yeah the other Topre boards have dyesubs. Who. Gives. A. ****. It's like $20 dollars more than the lasered FC660 for crying out loud and people had no problem buying those.
Reading these threads makes me seriously feel like Realforce are paying people to bash this thing.
Never before have I seen an innovative product bashed so hard even though it has a competitive price.
Yeah, yeah the other Topre boards have dyesubs. Who. Gives. A. ****. It's like $20 dollars more than the lasered FC660 for crying out loud and people had no problem buying those.
See I don't ever recall them posting about price. Some people said that they mentioned those prices at one of the expos but I took that with a grain of salt because people on the Internet are usually full of ****.Reading these threads makes me seriously feel like Realforce are paying people to bash this thing.I think it is because people were hoping for type heaven cost, not leopold fc660c cost. And if I remember correctly, all the CM employees kept throwing around $150-180 as a estimated cost of the board.
Never before have I seen an innovative product bashed so hard even though it has a competitive price.
Yeah, yeah the other Topre boards have dyesubs. Who. Gives. A. ****. It's like $20 dollars more than the lasered FC660 for crying out loud and people had no problem buying those.
See I don't ever recall them posting about price. Some people said that they mentioned those prices at one of the expos but I took that with a grain of salt because people on the Internet are usually full of ****.Reading these threads makes me seriously feel like Realforce are paying people to bash this thing.I think it is because people were hoping for type heaven cost, not leopold fc660c cost. And if I remember correctly, all the CM employees kept throwing around $150-180 as a estimated cost of the board.
Never before have I seen an innovative product bashed so hard even though it has a competitive price.
Yeah, yeah the other Topre boards have dyesubs. Who. Gives. A. ****. It's like $20 dollars more than the lasered FC660 for crying out loud and people had no problem buying those.
Instead everyone else took it as gospel. Go figure.
See I don't ever recall them posting about price. Some people said that they mentioned those prices at one of the expos but I took that with a grain of salt because people on the Internet are usually full of ****.Reading these threads makes me seriously feel like Realforce are paying people to bash this thing.I think it is because people were hoping for type heaven cost, not leopold fc660c cost. And if I remember correctly, all the CM employees kept throwing around $150-180 as a estimated cost of the board.
Never before have I seen an innovative product bashed so hard even though it has a competitive price.
Yeah, yeah the other Topre boards have dyesubs. Who. Gives. A. ****. It's like $20 dollars more than the lasered FC660 for crying out loud and people had no problem buying those.
Instead everyone else took it as gospel. Go figure.
thick leopold PBT is by far the best arround already.
See I don't ever recall them posting about price. Some people said that they mentioned those prices at one of the expos but I took that with a grain of salt because people on the Internet are usually full of ****.Reading these threads makes me seriously feel like Realforce are paying people to bash this thing.I think it is because people were hoping for type heaven cost, not leopold fc660c cost. And if I remember correctly, all the CM employees kept throwing around $150-180 as a estimated cost of the board.
Never before have I seen an innovative product bashed so hard even though it has a competitive price.
Yeah, yeah the other Topre boards have dyesubs. Who. Gives. A. ****. It's like $20 dollars more than the lasered FC660 for crying out loud and people had no problem buying those.
Instead everyone else took it as gospel. Go figure.
thick leopold PBT is by far the best arround already.
You lost me right there.
Any ideas as to when it'll be for sale anywhere other than the CM website?
This was a soft launch, probably, due to how they just kinda opened the page with no further advertising.
This board was hyped pretty hard at PAX East this past spring. They may go for a harder marketing push during Prime this year.
For what they did at East: They had a pretty large booth area, and a good part of it was computers with Novatouch keyboards set up with typing games.
Also, if there are coupon codes at Prime, they may be pretty good discounts (20% sometimes). I'll probably make a post in 'off-topic' to share the coupon codes I collect at Prime.
My only knock with most of the Topre boards is the ABS spacebar. In all honesty it's one of the biggest reasons I haven't picked one up yet. Black 55g Realforce with full PBT and I'm sold.
See I don't ever recall them posting about price. Some people said that they mentioned those prices at one of the expos but I took that with a grain of salt because people on the Internet are usually full of ****.Reading these threads makes me seriously feel like Realforce are paying people to bash this thing.I think it is because people were hoping for type heaven cost, not leopold fc660c cost. And if I remember correctly, all the CM employees kept throwing around $150-180 as a estimated cost of the board.
Never before have I seen an innovative product bashed so hard even though it has a competitive price.
Yeah, yeah the other Topre boards have dyesubs. Who. Gives. A. ****. It's like $20 dollars more than the lasered FC660 for crying out loud and people had no problem buying those.
Instead everyone else took it as gospel. Go figure.
thick leopold PBT is by far the best arround already.
You lost me right there.
I don't see why? I strongly believe Leopold PBT keycap sets are one of the best option there is. Apart of aesthetics, why would you change the stock keycap set on a Leopold FC660C apart from the spacebar which is ABS?
Yea ok there would be plenty of reasons like the feel or maybe you have preferences but it's already very good, at least i'd say worth 200$+ right?
Just look at that baby
https://elitekeyboards.com/products.php?sub=leopold,compact&pid=fc660ceg
Would you seriously get a Novatouch over this sweet little baby?
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The fact of the matter is the stock keycaps on most boards aren't really a factor for a lot of people here. So many people have spare sets ready and waiting just for a board like this.
And that Leopold linked is bland as hell, I can't stand the colorway.
Reading these threads makes me seriously feel like Realforce are paying people to bash this thing.I touched on this in another thread.
Never before have I seen an innovative product bashed so hard even though it has a competitive price.
Yeah, yeah the other Topre boards have dyesubs. Who. Gives. A. ****. It's like $20 dollars more than the lasered FC660 for crying out loud and people had no problem buying those.
Just because CM boards are cheap doesn't mean they aren't a quality product, whether something is premium or not is subjective.Reading these threads makes me seriously feel like Realforce are paying people to bash this thing.I touched on this in another thread.
Never before have I seen an innovative product bashed so hard even though it has a competitive price.
Yeah, yeah the other Topre boards have dyesubs. Who. Gives. A. ****. It's like $20 dollars more than the lasered FC660 for crying out loud and people had no problem buying those.
The CM brand is average quality products at low prices. I personally hoped that the novatouch would follow this scheme so that topre switches have a better chance of becoming more mainstream. While I am sure there are a many people here on geekhack who will buy the novatouch at the $200 price tag, I am not as confident that the vast majority of CM's customer base will pick the novatouch over a $80 QFR.
Also with regards to the keycaps, I think this is further evidence of how people perceive CM products. Yes the difference might be $20 (and probably less to CM due to bulk purchasing power) but this highlights the cost saving tactics of CM. It is not unreasonable then to wonder what other cost cutting measures are being implemented. In general people do not mind this because of the price. With the price comparable to premium boards though, why not buy a premium product?
I don't see why that would be shortsighted from someone who comes from Canada?
We only have QWERTY here, arround 3 or 4 layouts all in all, mostly US. and even my keycaps show US layout but i'm typing french canadian layout all the time. If you have specific need i understand you would like your caps to fit but anyway you're touchtyping, you don't really need legends anymore do you?
As i said, yeah, there's plenty of reasons to change a set of course, but question is, is there really a "need" (not a "want", different things) to? Apart from the material and profil, i believe the rest is aesthetics for experienced typists.
You can harvest them too yea that would be great to see, but it's still 200$ for some plastic stems cause you gotta pay the whole package.
Is it worth a shot? Now that's your call from now on!
Interesting. My rationale is subjective and you counter with another subjective statement. To be clear my thoughts shouldn't be taken as immediately dismissing the product. I am just pointing out why some people might be raising eyebrows. I will have final judgement on product when it comes out. I also do not feel bad for CM with some of these reactions. One downside to leading a hype campaign on a product is that there is inevitably some let down.Just because CM boards are cheap doesn't mean they aren't a quality product, whether something is premium or not is subjective.Reading these threads makes me seriously feel like Realforce are paying people to bash this thing.I touched on this in another thread.
Never before have I seen an innovative product bashed so hard even though it has a competitive price.
Yeah, yeah the other Topre boards have dyesubs. Who. Gives. A. ****. It's like $20 dollars more than the lasered FC660 for crying out loud and people had no problem buying those.
The CM brand is average quality products at low prices. I personally hoped that the novatouch would follow this scheme so that topre switches have a better chance of becoming more mainstream. While I am sure there are a many people here on geekhack who will buy the novatouch at the $200 price tag, I am not as confident that the vast majority of CM's customer base will pick the novatouch over a $80 QFR.
Also with regards to the keycaps, I think this is further evidence of how people perceive CM products. Yes the difference might be $20 (and probably less to CM due to bulk purchasing power) but this highlights the cost saving tactics of CM. It is not unreasonable then to wonder what other cost cutting measures are being implemented. In general people do not mind this because of the price. With the price comparable to premium boards though, why not buy a premium product?
MX stems on Topre PCB sounds pretty damn premium to me.
I know it's $200 for some plastic stems. I wish there were other ways... Mmh... 3D printing maybe?
I know it's $200 for some plastic stems. I wish there were other ways... Mmh... 3D printing maybe?
http://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=54942.0
First, using a national layout "designed" by a retarded monkey on crack (i.e. French AZERTY) *is* shortsighted.I don't see why that would be shortsighted from someone who comes from Canada?
We only have QWERTY here, arround 3 or 4 layouts all in all, mostly US. and even my keycaps show US layout but i'm typing french canadian layout all the time. If you have specific need i understand you would like your caps to fit but anyway you're touchtyping, you don't really need legends anymore do you?
As i said, yeah, there's plenty of reasons to change a set of course, but question is, is there really a "need" (not a "want", different things) to? Apart from the material and profil, i believe the rest is aesthetics for experienced typists.
You can harvest them too yea that would be great to see, but it's still 200$ for some plastic stems cause you gotta pay the whole package.
Is it worth a shot? Now that's your call from now on!
It's shortsighted coming from anyone, including someone who lives in Canada. :)
I thought you had AZERTY in Quebec as well, but anyway... You know there are very good reasons to change the provided keycaps.
I don't touch type. I can if I try very hard, but then I'm slow, so I guess it's not touch-typing. I think most programmers have the same problem: we have too many special symbols to type and they are everywhere on the keyboard.
At this time, all my Topre boards have stickers. That's how I have converted them to AZERTY. But I have several AZERTY keycaps sets that I would really like to put to good use.
I thought you had AZERTY in Quebec as well
I thought you had AZERTY in Quebec as well
En Amérique rien n'est adapté pour autre que les anglophones. Nous francophones devons toujours faire l'effort de s'adapter pour tout ce qui n'est pas couvert par la loi 101. C'est moche mais c'est la vie, 8 millions n'a aucun poids contre 430 millions. Dans tous les cas, on devient bilingue donc whatever, sa nous donne un avantage compétitif considérable au niveau international, entre 40% et 50% de la province est bilingue, un des endroit avec le plus grand ratio au monde considérant qu'il s'agit d'une langue latine et d'une langue germanique!
L'autre province très bilingue est le Nouveau Brunswick avec environs 30%. Les autres c'est très peu, malheureusement. On a plus de poids :/
I believe you understood that one if you use AZERTY :p
PBT spacebars are prone to warping which is why it's common to see ABS.IBM didn't have a problem with theirs in 1981
The new stems/stabilizer tech probably cost much more than producing some keycaps with existing molds.. Kinda surprised it will only cost $200 :pSee, this is an excellent post, and a topic I'm surprised didn't come up earlier. I agree wholeheartedly, but I guess companies aren't allowed to make money anymore.
First, using a national layout "designed" by a retarded monkey on crack (i.e. French AZERTY) *is* shortsighted.I don't see why that would be shortsighted from someone who comes from Canada?
We only have QWERTY here, arround 3 or 4 layouts all in all, mostly US. and even my keycaps show US layout but i'm typing french canadian layout all the time. If you have specific need i understand you would like your caps to fit but anyway you're touchtyping, you don't really need legends anymore do you?
As i said, yeah, there's plenty of reasons to change a set of course, but question is, is there really a "need" (not a "want", different things) to? Apart from the material and profil, i believe the rest is aesthetics for experienced typists.
You can harvest them too yea that would be great to see, but it's still 200$ for some plastic stems cause you gotta pay the whole package.
Is it worth a shot? Now that's your call from now on!
It's shortsighted coming from anyone, including someone who lives in Canada. :)
I thought you had AZERTY in Quebec as well, but anyway... You know there are very good reasons to change the provided keycaps.
I don't touch type. I can if I try very hard, but then I'm slow, so I guess it's not touch-typing. I think most programmers have the same problem: we have too many special symbols to type and they are everywhere on the keyboard.
At this time, all my Topre boards have stickers. That's how I have converted them to AZERTY. But I have several AZERTY keycaps sets that I would really like to put to good use.
Second, The Keyboard Company carries French, German and Nordic Topre Realforce keyboards.
Donc tu écris les accents en utilisant les touches quote et backquote? Galère...
Donc tu écris les accents en utilisant les touches quote et backquote? Galère...
Humm
é = Bottom right next to shift "/?" key
è accent (Accent grave) is " ' " " key, you need to hit it first then hit any other vowel (can go on ù and à as well)
ê is on " [{ " Same as above, must be summoned.
ë is on "]}" must also be summoned.
Ouai c'est la galère mais on s'y habitue, sa permet de changer de langue vraiment vite. J'travail dans une entreprise bilingue donc sa m'arrange d'être compatible avec les deux langues sans devoir changer de layout!
Yeah it's crap but you'll get use to it, make you able to switch language real fast. I work in a bilingual enterprise and so it's nice being able to shift in between both languages without changing the layout.
Anyway now-a-day not being bilingual in Montréal is just weird lol
Donc tu écris les accents en utilisant les touches quote et backquote? Galère...
Humm
é = Bottom right next to shift "/?" key
è accent (Accent grave) is " ' " " key, you need to hit it first then hit any other vowel (can go on ù and à as well)
ê is on " [{ " Same as above, must be summoned.
ë is on "]}" must also be summoned.
Ouai c'est la galère mais on s'y habitue, sa permet de changer de langue vraiment vite. J'travail dans une entreprise bilingue donc sa m'arrange d'être compatible avec les deux langues sans devoir changer de layout!
Yeah it's crap but you'll get use to it, make you able to switch language real fast. I work in a bilingual enterprise and so it's nice being able to shift in between both languages without changing the layout.
Anyway now-a-day not being bilingual in Montréal is just weird lol
I should really try again to convert to QWERTY. I'll have to try at least one more time.
Is "purple slider" some kind of sexual innuendo?
Is "purple slider" some kind of sexual innuendo?
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not sure what you are referring to but the sliders on the novatouch are literally purple...
Yeah well my best friend Thomas goes to France most of summers and he usually says if you type a lot about 2-3 days you get full adapted. He says the worst is that you guys gotta hit shift to input numbers and that's a real hard sh1t to adapt to.I type frequently in English and French and in my experience Azerty ISO FR is a badly designed layout. I find Qwerty ANSI + US International more functional and logical for French.
Still AZERTY is kindoff out of standard and i simply don't believe that it gives you any advantages against standard QWERTY, especially if you live in the USA you should convert for maximum compatibility with office noobs.
$200 is not a bad price at launch for this board. I have no idea what all this whining is about.But dyesubs! Totally agree man.
$200 is not a bad price at launch for this board. I have no idea what all this whining is about.The price is what it is. Would it be nice if it was cheaper? Of course, but there will always be unsatisfied people no matter the cost. I do think, though, that for 200 credits a non rubberized casing and better quality keycaps would have been nice.
This keyboard will not become mainstream at $200. I'd love to be wrong though.
This keyboard will not become mainstream at $200. I'd love to be wrong though.
I agree the NovaTouch is a niche product for keyboard enthusiasts not mainsteam at all. Talk about mainstream look at Razer Blackwidow probably the worlds best selling mechanical keyboard. The Blackwidow Croma is going to be released Sept. also for only $179.99 MSRP. I'm willing to bet they will sell 10 to 1 over NovaTouch and the Corsair RGB is coming too. Sad to say those are mainstream and what the masses will buy (not me). I hope the NovaTouch is a success but at $200 it's up against some tough competition in the Topre keyboard market.
This keyboard will not become mainstream at $200. I'd love to be wrong though.
I agree the NovaTouch is a niche product for keyboard enthusiasts not mainsteam at all. Talk about mainstream look at Razer Blackwidow probably the worlds best selling mechanical keyboard. The Blackwidow Croma is going to be released Sept. also for only $179.99 MSRP. I'm willing to bet they will sell 10 to 1 over NovaTouch and the Corsair RGB is coming too. Sad to say those are mainstream and what the masses will buy (not me). I hope the NovaTouch is a success but at $200 it's up against some tough competition in the Topre keyboard market.
For anyone who wants a Topre keyboard, they are likely to give the Novatouch a long, hard look, I would imagine. It is a very standard TKL layout. It has MX_compatible stems (which means PBT keycaps of your choice, or ABS if that is your thing, or even POM if that floats your boat - try getting almost any replacement keycaps for Topre stems).
Compare $200 to the price of most other Topre keyboards available now, plus CM's proven name and, hopefully, a good quality keyboard.
This keyboard will not become mainstream at $200. I'd love to be wrong though.
I agree the NovaTouch is a niche product for keyboard enthusiasts not mainsteam at all. Talk about mainstream look at Razer Blackwidow probably the worlds best selling mechanical keyboard. The Blackwidow Croma is going to be released Sept. also for only $179.99 MSRP. I'm willing to bet they will sell 10 to 1 over NovaTouch and the Corsair RGB is coming too. Sad to say those are mainstream and what the masses will buy (not me). I hope the NovaTouch is a success but at $200 it's up against some tough competition in the Topre keyboard market.
For anyone who wants a Topre keyboard, they are likely to give the Novatouch a long, hard look, I would imagine. It is a very standard TKL layout. It has MX_compatible stems (which means PBT keycaps of your choice, or ABS if that is your thing, or even POM if that floats your boat - try getting almost any replacement keycaps for Topre stems).
Compare $200 to the price of most other Topre keyboards available now, plus CM's proven name and, hopefully, a good quality keyboard.
+1 GMK Dolch on Topre anyone?
I think that would be the expression of most Topre aficionados sitting in front of a new "BlackWidow Croma". :pThis keyboard will not become mainstream at $200. I'd love to be wrong though.
I agree the NovaTouch is a niche product for keyboard enthusiasts not mainsteam at all. Talk about mainstream look at Razer Blackwidow probably the worlds best selling mechanical keyboard. The Blackwidow Croma is going to be released Sept. also for only $179.99 MSRP. I'm willing to bet they will sell 10 to 1 over NovaTouch and the Corsair RGB is coming too. Sad to say those are mainstream and what the masses will buy (not me). I hope the NovaTouch is a success but at $200 it's up against some tough competition in the Topre keyboard market.
For anyone who wants a Topre keyboard, they are likely to give the Novatouch a long, hard look, I would imagine. It is a very standard TKL layout. It has MX_compatible stems (which means PBT keycaps of your choice, or ABS if that is your thing, or even POM if that floats your boat - try getting almost any replacement keycaps for Topre stems).
Compare $200 to the price of most other Topre keyboards available now, plus CM's proven name and, hopefully, a good quality keyboard.
+1 GMK Dolch on Topre anyone?
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Even if only to harvest the sliders to put them in a decent looking board.
Seriously though. What if Razer was the company that put out the equivalent of the Novatouch (MX stems, Topre electronics)?? Would you still buy it? I hate to say it...but I think I would. Even if only to harvest the sliders to put them in a decent looking board.I don't think I would to be honest. I'd be more likely to purchase Matt3o's sliders than an entire board and go through the hassle of harvesting off a Razer.
Link's broken :(
I have ordered and paid for the Novatouch and Ducky YoTH Cherry Green in one fell swoop, needless to say I'm feeling the pinch now but that pain would subside when Endorphin's released as soon as I get the Novatouch in a few days' time. There are ready stock of them here, but the shop I get my keyboards from is givng me a pretty good discount, so I can wait a few days for it. Will post pics when I get it...Can't wait to see other people's thoughts on the Novatouch. It's a nice board IMO.
Yeah well my best friend Thomas goes to France most of summers and he usually says if you type a lot about 2-3 days you get full adapted. He says the worst is that you guys gotta hit shift to input numbers and that's a real hard sh1t to adapt to.I type frequently in English and French and in my experience Azerty ISO FR is a badly designed layout. I find Qwerty ANSI + US International more functional and logical for French.
Still AZERTY is kindoff out of standard and i simply don't believe that it gives you any advantages against standard QWERTY, especially if you live in the USA you should convert for maximum compatibility with office noobs.
Accidentally putting your keyboard into Canada-French is a pretty common Canadian problem. I actually remove those profiles and US-Standard.
My dad just bought a computer and got an ISO French keyboard instead of the English one (in Ontario).
Accidentally putting your keyboard into Canada-French is a pretty common Canadian problem. I actually remove those profiles and US-Standard.
My dad just bought a computer and got an ISO French keyboard instead of the English one (in Ontario).
It's true. That's also why laptops at most major retailers infuriate me around here, with their ISO nonsense.
I have ordered and paid for the Novatouch and Ducky YoTH Cherry Green in one fell swoop, needless to say I'm feeling the pinch now but that pain would subside when Endorphin's released as soon as I get the Novatouch in a few days' time. There are ready stock of them here, but the shop I get my keyboards from is givng me a pretty good discount, so I can wait a few days for it. Will post pics when I get it...Can't wait to see other people's thoughts on the Novatouch. It's a nice board IMO.
I have ordered and paid for the Novatouch and Ducky YoTH Cherry Green in one fell swoop, needless to say I'm feeling the pinch now but that pain would subside when Endorphin's released as soon as I get the Novatouch in a few days' time. There are ready stock of them here, but the shop I get my keyboards from is givng me a pretty good discount, so I can wait a few days for it. Will post pics when I get it...
Accidentally putting your keyboard into Canada-French is a pretty common Canadian problem. I actually remove those profiles and US-Standard.
My dad just bought a computer and got an ISO French keyboard instead of the English one (in Ontario).
It's true. That's also why laptops at most major retailers infuriate me around here, with their ISO nonsense.
Ugh, don't remind me about all the laptops being sold here. Something about they're not allowed to retail "US ANSI" counterparts of the laptops in Canada. -.-
Here's an image of the monstrosity we have to deal with:Show Image(http://cobworks.ca/wp-content/uploads/2013/01/IMG_20130316_160219.jpg)
I also hate how the FN key is always on the left. Why can't it be shifted on the right?
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Anyways, back on topic. At least keyboards being sold here aren't in that multilingual layout. :p
Seriously though. What if Razer was the company that put out the equivalent of the Novatouch (MX stems, Topre electronics)?? Would you still buy it? I hate to say it...but I think I would. Even if only to harvest the sliders to put them in a decent looking board.
Accidentally putting your keyboard into Canada-French is a pretty common Canadian problem. I actually remove those profiles and US-Standard.
My dad just bought a computer and got an ISO French keyboard instead of the English one (in Ontario).
It's true. That's also why laptops at most major retailers infuriate me around here, with their ISO nonsense.
Ugh, don't remind me about all the laptops being sold here. Something about they're not allowed to retail "US ANSI" counterparts of the laptops in Canada. -.-
Here's an image of the monstrosity we have to deal with:Show Image(http://cobworks.ca/wp-content/uploads/2013/01/IMG_20130316_160219.jpg)
I also hate how the FN key is always on the left. Why can't it be shifted on the right?
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Anyways, back on topic. At least keyboards being sold here aren't in that multilingual layout. :p
BTW, I'm french and I use AZERTY, but on the ANSI layout. The ANSI layout is beautiful, and the large left Shift and large (and horizontal) Enter is much better.Acer makes a lot of lower-end computers. The aspire one is a netbook by them that's pretty cheap. I hate how they've wedged a KB in there leaving so much extra room on the sides.
My Realforces are in ANSI, and I look forward to some solution to put Cherry keycaps on them, because then I'll be able to put AZERTY keycaps (instead of stickers as I currently have).
In my opinion the undeniable huge advantage this NovaTouch TKL keyboard has is that unlike with other "true" TOPRE boards it's much easier to find the keys to customize it. For some reason those, who are fussy about this board forget that TOPRE keys are very expensive and very hard to come by, while Cherry MX are relatively abundant, have better variety, and cheaper than TOPRE. I wondered if it would be as easy to add the dampening O-rings as it is with "true" Cherry MX caps? Let me remind you that silencing the TOPRE boards is very complicated and elaborate process.
This is going to be a hard sell at this price point. Speaking purely for my own view, I would rather spend the extra $15 and get the 55g Realforce.
Don't think Orings going to work from the pics I've seen of the switches.