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Re: OEM Discussion (Originally iOne Discussion) - The Good And The Bad?
« Reply #50 on: Sat, 01 December 2012, 05:35:37 »
FYI, costar keyboards have varying quality between different brands. The costar in Filco is superior to costar in CM quickfire and Rosewill. This is based on 3 filcos, 3 CM quickfire, and 2 Rosewill that I've opened up and desoldered.

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Re: OEM Discussion (Originally iOne Discussion) - The Good And The Bad?
« Reply #51 on: Sat, 01 December 2012, 13:07:40 »
How's the Razer Blackwidow 2013? I have been hearing it's better than its predecessor when it comes to build quality. Is that true? Are they still made by iOne?

Yupe need more REVIEWS coming guys, so someone please answer that thanks  :D

FYI, costar keyboards have varying quality between different brands. The costar in Filco is superior to costar in CM quickfire and Rosewill. This is based on 3 filcos, 3 CM quickfire, and 2 Rosewill that I've opened up and desoldered.

Cool I'll make a note in the original post thanks !

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Re: OEM Discussion (Originally iOne Discussion) - The Good And The Bad?
« Reply #52 on: Sat, 01 December 2012, 23:43:58 »
@FoxWolf

What are those fake Cherry Yellow Switches?

Is there a force graph for them somewhere?
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Re: OEM Discussion (Originally iOne Discussion) - The Good And The Bad?
« Reply #53 on: Sat, 01 December 2012, 23:57:42 »
@FoxWolf

What are those fake Cherry Yellow Switches?

Is there a force graph for them somewhere?

Those are Kailh (a.k.a fail) switches, a company that rips off AVAGO switches and Cherry switches. You can see more about the switch here:
http://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=35468.0

And about the company itself here on their official website:
http://www.kailh.com/

And here's a portfolio of their ripoffs:



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Re: OEM Discussion (Originally iOne Discussion) - The Good And The Bad?
« Reply #54 on: Sun, 02 December 2012, 19:49:24 »
Just wanted to pop in with some feedback on the Blackwidow. I own the 2011, 2012, and just retured a 2013 BWU, and Razer just keeps kicking me in the nuts with that board. I have to give it some credit, though. It was the board to get me into mechanicals, but the failure rate and fit/finish is just sub par. It is, of course, a member of the ill fated iOne family. I think that compared to the other iOne boards I've used, the Razer is definitely one of the nicer, but the backlighting failure rate, 2KRO, hot and cold software function, HORRIBLE placement of the macro buttons, and hollow feeling just ruin what I keep hoping will be a board that I can come back to.

I just purchased and returned the new 2013 BWU. I hoped that after hearing all of the hype it meant that Razer tightened up their quality control on this board, but after spending several hours pounding away with it, I came to a realization. It's the same damn board that I've got sitting on a shelf in my basement. The feel was the exact same, and considering both of my BWU's have failed on me, I just started getting that old iOne feeling again. I needed to return it before I got stuck with the damn thing.

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Re: OEM Discussion (Originally iOne Discussion) - The Good And The Bad?
« Reply #55 on: Sun, 02 December 2012, 21:14:13 »
Thanks for the feedback !!!  Added Razer Blackwidow 2013 to the original post.

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Re: OEM Discussion (Originally iOne Discussion) - The Good And The Bad?
« Reply #56 on: Sun, 02 December 2012, 21:18:37 »
Thank you, your feedback may save money of many people who think that the new Blackwidow is actually good but haven't tried one.

But can't say anything about the Razertards. They'll buy anything as soon as there's Razer written on it, even if it is a ridiculous keyboard with a LCD screen for US$ 250 or more.
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Re: OEM Discussion (Originally iOne Discussion) - The Good And The Bad?
« Reply #57 on: Mon, 03 December 2012, 00:06:40 »
But can't say anything about the Razertards. They'll buy anything as soon as there's Razer written on it, even if it is a ridiculous keyboard with a LCD screen for US$ 250 or more.
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Re: OEM Discussion (Originally iOne Discussion) - The Good And The Bad?
« Reply #58 on: Mon, 03 December 2012, 13:54:58 »
But can't say anything about the Razertards. They'll buy anything as soon as there's Razer written on it, even if it is a ridiculous keyboard with a LCD screen for US$ 250 or more.
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Seems to work for me, but I'd say it's not as bad as $300 rubber dome http://store.gameshark.com/viewItem.asp?idProduct=5529&idCategory=262&scid=MC_Strike7  :P

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Re: OEM Discussion (Originally iOne Discussion) - The Good And The Bad?
« Reply #59 on: Mon, 03 December 2012, 17:40:47 »
...I'd say it's not as bad as $300 rubber dome http://store.gameshark.com/viewItem.asp?idProduct=5529&idCategory=262&scid=MC_Strike7  :P
When I saw ur post I thought u were making a joke against Topre.  :))

But then I clicked the link and saw that you meant one of those horrible rubber dome over membrane keyboards.  :eek:
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Re: OEM Discussion (Originally iOne Discussion) - The Good And The Bad?
« Reply #60 on: Mon, 03 December 2012, 22:35:15 »
lol don't worry topre is totally worth the $300, or at least I hope so because I'm buying one later next year  :P

Sometimes I forget topres has rubber dome components lol.

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Re: OEM Discussion (Originally iOne Discussion) - The Good And The Bad?
« Reply #61 on: Tue, 04 December 2012, 18:50:33 »
Hm...

Is PLU (no M...PLU, not PLUM) an OEM? They seem to also make the Team Scorpion gaming mechs...or maybe the relationship is some other kind of partnership? Hard to tell.

Could add TG3 to the list, for stuff under the TG3 brand and Deck.

Also, I was thinking a little bit earlier about Kailh switches. It must be rather tempting for keyboard makers to consider Kailhs, not just because of price issues, but also because it seems like Cherry is always running out of one switch type or another. Would suck to get screwed over just because some bigger brand decided to monopolize the switch you needed...
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Re: OEM Discussion (Originally iOne Discussion) - The Good And The Bad?
« Reply #62 on: Tue, 04 December 2012, 19:12:09 »
Hm...

Is PLU (no M...PLU, not PLUM) an OEM? They seem to also make the Team Scorpion gaming mechs...or maybe the relationship is some other kind of partnership? Hard to tell.

Could add TG3 to the list, for stuff under the TG3 brand and Deck.

Also, I was thinking a little bit earlier about Kailh switches. It must be rather tempting for keyboard makers to consider Kailhs, not just because of price issues, but also because it seems like Cherry is always running out of one switch type or another. Would suck to get screwed over just because some bigger brand decided to monopolize the switch you needed...

Thing is, the moment people hear the keyboard has Cherry MX Knockoffs and there's authentic Cherry MX Keyboards at the same pricetag, you know what will happen.

Besides, the quality of Kailh switches just sucks. They're known for making OMRON knockoffs too.
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Re: OEM Discussion (Originally iOne Discussion) - The Good And The Bad?
« Reply #63 on: Tue, 04 December 2012, 19:36:23 »
FWIW, I love my two rosewill boards. I hardly consider them debatable and would not at all hesitate recommending them.
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Re: OEM Discussion (Originally iOne Discussion) - The Good And The Bad?
« Reply #64 on: Tue, 04 December 2012, 21:35:48 »
FWIW, I love my two rosewill boards. I hardly consider them debatable and would not at all hesitate recommending them.

I only put it as debatable due the mini b plug issue.  Are both your boards still working perfectly as intended?  Also how long has it been?

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EDIT:  Adding TG3.  And I wonder when they gonna fix their font, it's really one of the main reasons putting me back from buying a Deck.  Reason no. 2 is because I don't like heavy switches  :P
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Re: OEM Discussion (Originally iOne Discussion) - The Good And The Bad?
« Reply #65 on: Wed, 05 December 2012, 03:59:52 »
FYI, costar keyboards have varying quality between different brands. The costar in Filco is superior to costar in CM quickfire and Rosewill. This is based on 3 filcos, 3 CM quickfire, and 2 Rosewill that I've opened up and desoldered.

I can verify this.  I got two Rosewill keyboards from different stores for the last three weeks.  One is a bad one.  I couldn't get it connected even I tried on different connectors and hooked up to two different computers.  They have no problem in getting a RMA but I have to pay shipping.  This is a defected item and I have to shell out $17.00 to ship it back negated the promo prices I paid. 

It was a hit and miss for Rosewill stuff I got from Newegg.  Most of them were good.

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Re: OEM Discussion (Originally iOne Discussion) - The Good And The Bad?
« Reply #66 on: Wed, 05 December 2012, 09:58:35 »
Both of my Leopolds say "Made in Taiwan"
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Re: OEM Discussion (Originally iOne Discussion) - The Good And The Bad?
« Reply #67 on: Wed, 05 December 2012, 10:28:55 »
I have a brand new Rosewill.  It works great and I love the cherry red switches except that they are toooo short.

But the deal is, the USB connector is wobbly and the cable is the most retarded cable of all time.  This has obviously been designed to break on purpose.  They could have supplied an off-the-shelf cable.  But they went to a lot of trouble to cook up some wierdo super stiff cable.

So u should keep them in the "dodgy" category for now.


About the Taiwan / China thing:
Many years ago (1980s - 1990s) I used to buy things from Taiwan.  But the products always said "Made in China".  I inquired in the 1990s and they said it was because of the USA's stupid "One China" policy and that lots of stuff made in Taiwan is stamped with "Made in China"

So either:
A: They lied to me.

B: There is a trick where a Taiwanese company would want to label their goods as "Made in China" and get some benefit somehow.

C: No trick and no lie but the CEO of that company was simply a pro-communist guy.

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Re: OEM Discussion (Originally iOne Discussion) - The Good And The Bad?
« Reply #68 on: Wed, 05 December 2012, 11:17:26 »
Well Taiwan = "Republic of China"...maybe that has something to do with it?
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Re: OEM Discussion (Originally iOne Discussion) - The Good And The Bad?
« Reply #69 on: Wed, 05 December 2012, 11:30:59 »
Think they would put republic of china then?

Saw a ziabol 60 at frys, it was destroyed.. keycaps, stabilizers, everything...
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Re: OEM Discussion (Originally iOne Discussion) - The Good And The Bad?
« Reply #70 on: Wed, 05 December 2012, 13:34:36 »
Both of my Leopolds say "Made in Taiwan"
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I wonder if Leopold also pulled a Das Keyboard.  Like secretly switching OEM without people knowing.  Need to investigate into this lol.

As for the Taiwan thing, maybe back in the days not too many people know about Taiwan?  So maybe they just figure it's easier to write off at China.  But yeah these days it should all be properly labeled as "Made In Taiwan".

Saw a ziabol 60 at frys, it was destroyed.. keycaps, stabilizers, everything...

Why did they destroy it?

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Re: OEM Discussion (Originally iOne Discussion) - The Good And The Bad?
« Reply #71 on: Wed, 05 December 2012, 13:56:02 »
Why did they destroy it?

Because parents these days do a poor job of watching and educating their children.
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Re: OEM Discussion (Originally iOne Discussion) - The Good And The Bad?
« Reply #72 on: Thu, 13 December 2012, 18:06:40 »
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Based on Carter's quote from the same article:
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The OEM of TK is not one ever mentioned in Mechanical Keyboard market. Its quite funny as they have done several popular boards and manufacture one of the biggest hyped releases recently.

I'm guessing he's hinting Logitech G710+, so I wonder if CM Storm TK is made in the same place.

Hmm I'm definitely curious if this is the case.  After comparing a CM Trigger and QuickFire TK (both with blues) side by side, the TK keys have a distinctly more satisfying feel, as if they are slightly springier, while the Trigger feels a bit mushy comparatively.  The layout of the TK just wasn't working for me so I would love to figure out who the OEM is in the hopes of picking up a full size keyboard with a similar feel.

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« Reply #73 on: Thu, 13 December 2012, 18:28:02 »
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Re: OEM Discussion (Originally iOne Discussion) - The Good And The Bad?
« Reply #74 on: Thu, 13 December 2012, 19:47:45 »
Hmm I'm definitely curious if this is the case.  After comparing a CM Trigger and QuickFire TK (both with blues) side by side, the TK keys have a distinctly more satisfying feel, as if they are slightly springier, while the Trigger feels a bit mushy comparatively.  The layout of the TK just wasn't working for me so I would love to figure out who the OEM is in the hopes of picking up a full size keyboard with a similar feel.

Yeah I'm not sure what it is.  Even though CM Trigger is made by Costar but somehow I find their keys mushy like you said.

Like compare to the MX Brown I have on my Das it just feels weird, maybe the keycap material?  I'm not too sure  >____>

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Re: OEM Discussion (Originally iOne Discussion) - The Good And The Bad?
« Reply #75 on: Thu, 13 December 2012, 21:00:16 »
thanks rowdy!  I've spent so much damn time researching mechanical keyboards that I felt obligated to join hehe.

Hyde I am relieved to hear that you feel similarly about the Trigger.  I was actually thinking about getting a Das but all the complaints about the new ones have caused me to hold off.  Maybe I'll make a trip down to Frys and see if they have a G710+ out.

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« Reply #76 on: Thu, 13 December 2012, 21:46:28 »
thanks rowdy!  I've spent so much damn time researching mechanical keyboards that I felt obligated to join hehe.

Hyde I am relieved to hear that you feel similarly about the Trigger.  I was actually thinking about getting a Das but all the complaints about the new ones have caused me to hold off.  Maybe I'll make a trip down to Frys and see if they have a G710+ out.

At the moment if you want a Das, I'd say go for the Ultimate (blank) or Mac Edition.  They're still made by Costar so you're safe for the time being.  It is still the cheapest Costar made full size board unless you go for Rosewill (But then you pay for shipping).

I'm not big on the G710+ but mainly because I don't like macro keys also they have non-standard size modifier keys.  So if you want to buy a PBT set in the future it will be a pain in the butt.  I'd suggest you buy a Das Ultimate or Rosewill and get PBT keycaps down the road.  Otherwise for tenkeyless CM Storm QuickFire Rapid is pretty much the best option.  :)

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Re: OEM Discussion (Originally iOne Discussion) - The Good And The Bad?
« Reply #77 on: Fri, 14 December 2012, 11:47:47 »
I place my bet that Corsair K60 had the same OEM as Logitech and QF TK.

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Re: OEM Discussion (Originally iOne Discussion) - The Good And The Bad?
« Reply #78 on: Fri, 14 December 2012, 11:53:35 »
thanks rowdy!  I've spent so much damn time researching mechanical keyboards that I felt obligated to join hehe.

Hyde I am relieved to hear that you feel similarly about the Trigger.  I was actually thinking about getting a Das but all the complaints about the new ones have caused me to hold off.  Maybe I'll make a trip down to Frys and see if they have a G710+ out.

At the moment if you want a Das, I'd say go for the Ultimate (blank) or Mac Edition.  They're still made by Costar so you're safe for the time being.  It is still the cheapest Costar made full size board unless you go for Rosewill (But then you pay for shipping).

I'm not big on the G710+ but mainly because I don't like macro keys also they have non-standard size modifier keys.  So if you want to buy a PBT set in the future it will be a pain in the butt.  I'd suggest you buy a Das Ultimate or Rosewill and get PBT keycaps down the road.  Otherwise for tenkeyless CM Storm QuickFire Rapid is pretty much the best option.  :)

Make sure you put the Das under misc chinese manufacturer.  People have suspicions, but upon review there are no issues with this keyboard except pad printed caps, and its a fingerprint magnet.
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Re: OEM Discussion (Originally iOne Discussion) - The Good And The Bad?
« Reply #79 on: Fri, 14 December 2012, 13:11:07 »
thanks rowdy!  I've spent so much damn time researching mechanical keyboards that I felt obligated to join hehe.

Hyde I am relieved to hear that you feel similarly about the Trigger.  I was actually thinking about getting a Das but all the complaints about the new ones have caused me to hold off.  Maybe I'll make a trip down to Frys and see if they have a G710+ out.

At the moment if you want a Das, I'd say go for the Ultimate (blank) or Mac Edition.  They're still made by Costar so you're safe for the time being.  It is still the cheapest Costar made full size board unless you go for Rosewill (But then you pay for shipping).

I'm not big on the G710+ but mainly because I don't like macro keys also they have non-standard size modifier keys.  So if you want to buy a PBT set in the future it will be a pain in the butt.  I'd suggest you buy a Das Ultimate or Rosewill and get PBT keycaps down the road.  Otherwise for tenkeyless CM Storm QuickFire Rapid is pretty much the best option.  :)

Make sure you put the Das under misc chinese manufacturer.  People have suspicions, but upon review there are no issues with this keyboard except pad printed caps, and its a fingerprint magnet.

It seems that the manufacturer is most likely Solidyear.  They are Taiwanese.  Personally, I think the whole Das Keyboard thing has been blown entirely out of proportion.

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« Reply #80 on: Fri, 14 December 2012, 16:56:15 »
thanks rowdy!  I've spent so much damn time researching mechanical keyboards that I felt obligated to join hehe.

Hyde I am relieved to hear that you feel similarly about the Trigger.  I was actually thinking about getting a Das but all the complaints about the new ones have caused me to hold off.  Maybe I'll make a trip down to Frys and see if they have a G710+ out.

At the moment if you want a Das, I'd say go for the Ultimate (blank) or Mac Edition.  They're still made by Costar so you're safe for the time being.  It is still the cheapest Costar made full size board unless you go for Rosewill (But then you pay for shipping).

I'm not big on the G710+ but mainly because I don't like macro keys also they have non-standard size modifier keys.  So if you want to buy a PBT set in the future it will be a pain in the butt.  I'd suggest you buy a Das Ultimate or Rosewill and get PBT keycaps down the road.  Otherwise for tenkeyless CM Storm QuickFire Rapid is pretty much the best option.  :)

Make sure you put the Das under misc chinese manufacturer.  People have suspicions, but upon review there are no issues with this keyboard except pad printed caps, and its a fingerprint magnet.
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Re: OEM Discussion (Originally iOne Discussion) - The Good And The Bad?
« Reply #81 on: Fri, 14 December 2012, 17:37:33 »
thanks rowdy!  I've spent so much damn time researching mechanical keyboards that I felt obligated to join hehe.

Hyde I am relieved to hear that you feel similarly about the Trigger.  I was actually thinking about getting a Das but all the complaints about the new ones have caused me to hold off.  Maybe I'll make a trip down to Frys and see if they have a G710+ out.

At the moment if you want a Das, I'd say go for the Ultimate (blank) or Mac Edition.  They're still made by Costar so you're safe for the time being.  It is still the cheapest Costar made full size board unless you go for Rosewill (But then you pay for shipping).

I'm not big on the G710+ but mainly because I don't like macro keys also they have non-standard size modifier keys.  So if you want to buy a PBT set in the future it will be a pain in the butt.  I'd suggest you buy a Das Ultimate or Rosewill and get PBT keycaps down the road.  Otherwise for tenkeyless CM Storm QuickFire Rapid is pretty much the best option.  :)

Make sure you put the Das under misc chinese manufacturer.  People have suspicions, but upon review there are no issues with this keyboard except pad printed caps, and its a fingerprint magnet.
Check the latest reviews on Amazon. There *are* issues.

Quality control is an issue with all products.  Excuse me for saying the one that I received is of a decent standard of quality.

It seems that the manufacturer is most likely Solidyear.  They are Taiwanese.  Personally, I think the whole Das Keyboard thing has been blown entirely out of proportion.

Unfortunately this would be odd considering the Das is made in China.
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« Reply #82 on: Fri, 14 December 2012, 17:39:34 »
I assumed this discussion was about quality control and stuff.

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« Reply #83 on: Fri, 14 December 2012, 18:00:34 »
I assumed this discussion was about quality control and stuff.

To an extent it is, but we have no idea of the actual quality control of this product.  Barely anyone on the forums have bought the new versions of this keyboard.  Amazon reviews are as useful as a box of wet matches at times.  One bad batch early in distribution and it kills the reviews.

One thing to mention is that as per the pictures I've provided about the new Das I've heard from multiple sources that the PCB quality is very VERY low.  It is frayed and shows ripples throughout the board.  It's a shame that with all of the good soldering, functional switches, good controller chips, and quality cable/strain relief that the PCB is made like horse sh!t smells.
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Re: OEM Discussion (Originally iOne Discussion) - The Good And The Bad?
« Reply #84 on: Fri, 14 December 2012, 18:23:31 »
To be honest, I think this CM QFR TK has good quality, I have just bought one recently, and there were no problems at all, except it looking smashing, and built like a rock. *Trust me.. I tried throwing the keyboard.. from a height and angle* The maximum light function isn't that bright that you might be able to fire lasers through the WASD keyboards.

The only weird thing about it is the mods, it looks like G710+, which should explains if they belong to the same OEM. I have both Trigger and TK, the keycaps from TK has absolutely improved.. reason why is, after using Trigger for 2-3 days, massive WASD spamming and 123456 buttons, there are some scratches on the keycaps and the paint starts coming off from the sides, so I went on an experiment and tried to scratch the keycaps from TK to see if anything comes out and thinking they would be the same as trigger, but no, the keycaps has improved definitely. 

Oh, and it is not as heavy as the CM QFR, which is built like a tank! Definitely one of my fav keyboard still. I like the way the TK looks, it looks like a KMAC for some reason, except the top right with the CM branding and NM Lock, Caps, and scr lock.

This is mostly my review of the keyboard, built well, improved from Trigger by a lot, better looking keyboard, not rubberized. Please let me know if you guys need to see anything from the keyboard.  :))
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Re: OEM Discussion (Originally iOne Discussion) - The Good And The Bad?
« Reply #85 on: Fri, 14 December 2012, 19:57:37 »
I've been a GH member for a handful of months now....  Read this forum for at least a month, until I decided to dive into "expensive/useless"... wait that was my girlfriend talking... MECHANICAL keyboards.


As my first mech kb, I didn't want to spend a whole lot of money. so I bought a QFR with MX blues.  I bet at this point you are wondering... why did I post in this thread?

Well... at first I blew off CM keyboards, after looking at countless Filco, HHK, VORTEX and others.  I figured, CM can't make a quality keyboard. Then I discovered that Costar manufactures a large portion of the worlds best MX based keyboards.

So back to the OG topic; Seem's to me that for MX boards, Costar is the knees.  Does anything think another manufacturer will 'dethrone' them? If yes, what would it take to do so? What features, level of build quality, materials used, and/or layout would it take?

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« Reply #86 on: Fri, 14 December 2012, 20:14:30 »
Hmm I'm definitely curious if this is the case.  After comparing a CM Trigger and QuickFire TK (both with blues) side by side, the TK keys have a distinctly more satisfying feel, as if they are slightly springier, while the Trigger feels a bit mushy comparatively.  The layout of the TK just wasn't working for me so I would love to figure out who the OEM is in the hopes of picking up a full size keyboard with a similar feel.

Yeah I'm not sure what it is.  Even though CM Trigger is made by Costar but somehow I find their keys mushy like you said.

Like compare to the MX Brown I have on my Das it just feels weird, maybe the keycap material?  I'm not too sure  >____>

Surely this makes sense due to the Trigger having to use cherry style stabilizers due to backlighting? (which people do complain that they feel mushy).
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« Reply #87 on: Fri, 14 December 2012, 21:00:20 »
Does it?  Because Costar came out with LED compatible stabs recently.
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« Reply #88 on: Sat, 15 December 2012, 01:52:07 »
sure no one of you have cm qf pro? hehe
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« Reply #89 on: Sat, 15 December 2012, 01:58:20 »

Unfortunately this would be odd considering the Das is made in China.
What's so odd about Taiwanese companies with factories in China?

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« Reply #90 on: Sat, 15 December 2012, 13:49:37 »

Unfortunately this would be odd considering the Das is made in China.
What's so odd about Taiwanese companies with factories in China?

Yeah it's true though.  A lot of Taiwanese company open factory in China these days because labour is cheaper.  For example Foxconn the company that makes iPhone is a Taiwanese company with factory in China.

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« Reply #91 on: Sat, 15 December 2012, 15:08:25 »
The fun part is that they can claim Taiwan or China at their preference provided they have a logistics facility in either. The attached declarations are for Country of Origin. All that really means is: where it shipped from or where final assembly took place. Which could constitute nothing more than packaging - that can count as 'final assembly.'
Case in point, Apple's making a big deal about 'building iMacs in the USA.' All they're doing is final assembly - very few, if any of the components are actually made on this continent. So take country of origin with a truckload of salt. Chances are it was made in mainland China anyways. Remember that ODMs build to customer spec. If the customer says 'sloppy solder' they do sloppy solder. If the customer says 'I want it flawless' they make it flawless.
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« Reply #92 on: Sat, 22 December 2012, 07:55:41 »
Yet another keyboard to the list: Thermaltake eSports Meka G-Unit. I'm not sure which OEM, though. Mine is made in China, listed as Solid Year (same as Meka, which is a modified I-Rocks design) in lsusb, uses Cherry-style stabilizers, has big-ass Enter and wide Backspace (similar to 6Gv2), but right Win/Mod4 key is missing, non-backlit keys are laser-etched, at least on the white version (very similar to MS Natural Keyboard Elite).
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Re: OEM Discussion (Originally iOne Discussion) - The Good And The Bad?
« Reply #93 on: Sat, 22 December 2012, 08:57:19 »
Yet another keyboard to the list: Thermaltake eSports Meka G-Unit. I'm not sure which OEM, though. Mine is made in China, listed as Solid Year (same as Meka, which is a modified I-Rocks design) in lsusb, uses Cherry-style stabilizers, has big-ass Enter and wide Backspace (similar to 6Gv2), but right Win/Mod4 key is missing, non-backlit keys are laser-etched, at least on the white version (very similar to MS Natural Keyboard Elite).

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« Reply #94 on: Sat, 22 December 2012, 09:02:18 »
Sure, but it can be model-specific, while I'm trying to determine what OEM/design is it. I would say I-Rocks, but who knows?

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« Reply #95 on: Mon, 18 February 2013, 17:00:14 »
Hyde & All,

Codehead, at the Desk Thority website, reviewed a Noppoo Choc Mini keyboard. A little more than half way down on that site (link below), he wrote:

"Fun fact: I managed to find out that this company is probably the OEM of the board http://www.sunsky-online.com/base/doc!v ... de=aboutUs  Discovered it via Alibaba a month ago..."

Later edit:  Here is the intended link (above) that works:

 http://www.sunsky-online.com/base/doc!view.do?code=aboutUs

Here is the link where Codehead made that statement during his Noppoo review:

http://deskthority.net/news-reviews-f4/a-keyboard-love-story-iv-noppoo-choc-mini-black-pom-t2962.html

I did a Google search on that SunSky entity he named, and I think he is correct.  That company indeed appears to be the OEM of Noppoo keyboards.  To backup, here is the information I found using the above indicated website link:

The firm's full name is Shenzhen Sunsky Technology Limited, a manufacturer of digital products, game accessories, computer peripherals, and mobile phone accessories, located Shenzhen, China. It's a wholly-owned subsidiary of EforChina Limited, which operates numerous electronics factories, according the their website.

Here is more evidence of that fact, on another Sunsky Technology’s website. Notice how they are selling case lots of 16 (or more) Noppoo keyboards (bulk sales), because they manufacture them and sell them in bulk to resellers:
 
http://www.sunsky-online.com/view/245035/Noppoo+Choc+Mini+84+Keys+USB+Portable+Mechanical+Gaming+Keyboard+Cherry+MX+Black+++NKRO.htm

Anyway, I think we now know who the OEM of Noppoo keyboards is.  Do you agree?

I recently bought a Noppoo Choc Mid 87.  I, too, became interested in who manufactured this product.  Googling around, I found this site and those sites indicated above.

Morppoo
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« Reply #96 on: Mon, 18 February 2013, 17:34:53 »
Hyde & All,

Codehead, at the Desk Thority website, reviewed a Noppoo Choc Mini keyboard. A little more than half way down on that site (link below), he wrote:

"Fun fact: I managed to find out that this company is probably the OEM of the board http://www.sunsky-online.com/base/doc!v ... de=aboutUs  Discovered it via Alibaba a month ago..."

Here is the link where Codehead made that statement during his Noppoo review:

http://deskthority.net/news-reviews-f4/a-keyboard-love-story-iv-noppoo-choc-mini-black-pom-t2962.html

I did a Google search on that SunSky entity he named, and I think he is correct.  That company indeed appears to be the OEM of Noppoo keyboards.  To backup, here is the information I found using the above indicated website link:

The firm's full name is Shenzhen Sunsky Technology Limited, a manufacturer of digital products, game accessories, computer peripherals, and mobile phone accessories, located Shenzhen, China. It's a wholly-owned subsidiary of EforChina Limited, which operates numerous electronics factories, according the their website.

Here is more evidence of that fact, on another Sunsky Technology’s website. Notice how they are selling case lots of 16 (or more) Noppoo keyboards (bulk sales), because they manufacture them and sell them in bulk to resellers:
 
http://www.sunsky-online.com/view/245035/Noppoo+Choc+Mini+84+Keys+USB+Portable+Mechanical+Gaming+Keyboard+Cherry+MX+Black+++NKRO.htm

Anyway, I think we now know who the OEM of Noppoo keyboards is.  Do you agree?

I recently bought a Noppoo Choc Mid 87.  I, too, became interested in who manufactured this product.  Googling around, I found this site and those sites indicated above.

Morppoo

Hmmm... notice at the bottom of the overview for this board is says "OEM are Welcome! we can print customer's artwork and logo".

Wonder what that means?
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« Reply #97 on: Mon, 18 February 2013, 17:36:00 »
lol cool thanks for the info.  I thought this thread is dead but I guess people still remember about it  :P

I'll update the OEM list now but I'll update the description later tonight (don't have time to read the review yet).

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Re: OEM Discussion (Originally iOne Discussion) - The Good And The Bad?
« Reply #98 on: Mon, 18 February 2013, 18:41:09 »
Lunartuna,

Quote: Hmmm... notice at the bottom of the overview for this board is says "OEM are Welcome! we can print customer's artwork and logo".

Wonder what that means?

I think it means that if you want to sell these keyboards, you can buy all you want and they'll put any logo on them you specify.  So, you can have them make your keyboards with a logo like Lesppoo, or whatever.  This would be more comforting than Morppoo.  Ha!

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« Reply #99 on: Mon, 18 February 2013, 20:46:42 »
Hmmm... notice at the bottom of the overview for this board is says "OEM are Welcome! we can print customer's artwork and logo".

Wonder what that means?
OEM could mean both the actual manufacturer and label stampers.