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Title: [IC] Noxary 280 & 220
Post by: xondat on Mon, 19 February 2018, 22:53:30
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This will use an updated architecture that I've been working on. If 268 was V2 .1, this is V2.1 .2. There have been a few changes needed just to work out any kinks etc; nothing notable though.

With this, I just want a perfectly matching TKL + pad (all info will cover both). The design will stay classy and very simple. The main change is increasing bezels from 4.6/3mm to 6/4mm - I think this will work much better aesthetically. I felt that 268 was almost too thin at first (although now it's really nice). I've also increased the corner fillet, increased the edge fillet a tiny bit, increased the size of the N cutout by >.5mm, and kept pretty much everything else the same. I think it works very well as is.

I'll either have the PCB green or red; it'd be interesting to hear what people think on this. Planning USB-C, this probably won't change. Sorry about your cables, but it's time for an upgrade! ;)

I'd also like to do a limited version (probably 1 of 30) where participants can choose anodizing color freely, similar to what happened with 268 AG. I think it's going to bring some really interesting builds/combinations. Matching custom colored TKL + pad sounds dreamy to me. :'(

There will be 99% 100% be a winkey version for the TKL; just too lazy to mock it up (it isn't hard to imagine!) - I doubt I'll won't do small blockers as I don't think they're that great. Standard key choice things: split backspace/right shift/left shift; stepped caps; ISO enter; maybe 1.25u bottom row; no split spacebar crap. Numpad will have all split keys available, and no additional blockers.

Keeping the starting price sub $400 for the TKL, and sub $175 (complete guess though) is my main goal here. I'm not too sure what the price increase from 65% to 80% is, but it shouldn't be enough that it requires a $30 increase lol. Planning on starting this shortly after I finish 268/268 AG, which will be next month (hopefully)! Probably a 3 month turnaround.
Title: Re: [IC] Noxary 280 & 220
Post by: HardcoreDesk on Mon, 19 February 2018, 22:54:01
Yup

Edit: Will the plate support Romer-G?
Title: Re: [IC] Noxary 280 & 220
Post by: Kafka on Mon, 19 February 2018, 22:54:58

Sure
Title: Re: [IC] Noxary 280 & 220
Post by: oatmicro on Mon, 19 February 2018, 22:55:14
Yeeees pls
Title: Re: [IC] Noxary 280 & 220
Post by: mago on Mon, 19 February 2018, 22:57:32
Hell yes
Title: Re: [IC] Noxary 280 & 220
Post by: SixtyLife on Mon, 19 February 2018, 23:01:57
Yes
Title: Re: [IC] Noxary 280 & 220
Post by: Puddsy on Mon, 19 February 2018, 23:06:46
all 1u support on pad pls

also will the screws on the higher side have those really annoying long holes that get in the way?

red pcb is classic
Title: Re: [IC] Noxary 280 & 220
Post by: Captain Shwah on Mon, 19 February 2018, 23:07:30
Yep, gonna have to add these to my Noxary collection. Red PCB would be cool.
Title: Re: [IC] Noxary 280 & 220
Post by: xondat on Mon, 19 February 2018, 23:13:23
all 1u support on pad pls

also will the screws on the higher side have those really annoying long holes that get in the way?

red pcb is classic

Already happening

Yeah maybe, currently 19mm, could always shorten that but might have consequences with CNC difficulty.

Yep, gonna have to add these to my Noxary collection. Red PCB would be cool.

Yup. Red looks great, but so does green. Hard life :))

Yup

Sure

Yeeees pls

Hell yes

i love emilia

Yes

Me too thanks
Title: Re: [IC] Noxary 280 & 220
Post by: bjayswift on Mon, 19 February 2018, 23:13:51
Just subbed. I've been waiting for a keyboard pad matching combo

Sent from my SAMSUNG-SM-G930A using Tapatalk

Title: Re: [IC] Noxary 280 & 220
Post by: HardcoreDesk on Mon, 19 February 2018, 23:21:30
In all seriousness, I'd much prefer green PCB over red.
Title: Re: [IC] Noxary 280 & 220
Post by: Cavemann6 on Tue, 20 February 2018, 00:10:30
Looks great  :thumb:
Title: Re: [IC] Noxary 280 & 220
Post by: amnesia0287 on Tue, 20 February 2018, 00:16:16
asiodjaskdjaskdjasdjasdwetsaefjsdfjkserd

I was going to ignore this, but you gotta go and do custom colors like ag >_< ****.
Title: Re: [IC] Noxary 280 & 220
Post by: p_blaze on Tue, 20 February 2018, 00:36:02
Custom colors? i like this
Title: Re: [IC] Noxary 280 & 220
Post by: mudcakehoney on Tue, 20 February 2018, 00:54:52
This is a yes from me
Title: Re: [IC] Noxary 280 & 220
Post by: Puddsy on Tue, 20 February 2018, 02:06:57
green pcb looks generic

red PCB looks like a ferrari

ez choice
Title: Re: [IC] Noxary 280 & 220
Post by: amnesia0287 on Tue, 20 February 2018, 02:31:42
green pcb looks generic

red PCB looks like a ferrari

ez choice

But green pcb under red half plate looks so gud.
Title: Re: [IC] Noxary 280 & 220
Post by: ak_xf1re on Tue, 20 February 2018, 02:51:19
Also in!  ;D Looking forward to it matey!
Title: Re: [IC] Noxary 280 & 220
Post by: Liocer on Tue, 20 February 2018, 03:02:43
damn damn damn, looking really good dude :D..
Title: Re: [IC] Noxary 280 & 220
Post by: futurecrime on Tue, 20 February 2018, 05:41:45
I want it all.
Title: Re: [IC] Noxary 280 & 220
Post by: Oblotzky on Tue, 20 February 2018, 06:18:50
Good chance of me joining if there is Winkey option with standard bottom row  :thumb:

Do a navy blue PCB :P

What case colors will be available outside the possible limited edition stuff? I love me some dark gray like the mockups are.
Title: Re: [IC] Noxary 280 & 220
Post by: jackedhardwarejunkie on Tue, 20 February 2018, 06:24:21
Oh damn this is lookin good
Title: Re: [IC] Noxary 280 & 220
Post by: ihalatch on Tue, 20 February 2018, 06:29:47
$%#@ me! I like it so much I think I'll try to get into this GB too. Take it easy on my wallet mate!
Title: Re: [IC] Noxary 280 & 220
Post by: DALExSNAIL on Tue, 20 February 2018, 06:44:19
I think you know I want that young red PCB my guy, looking good though!  :thumb:
Title: Re: [IC] Noxary 280 & 220
Post by: Blackhawk on Tue, 20 February 2018, 07:18:25
green pcb > red pcb
Title: Re: [IC] Noxary 280 & 220
Post by: zekkin on Tue, 20 February 2018, 07:48:34
yes me too thanks

limited cerakote edition spot pls
Title: Re: [IC] Noxary 280 & 220
Post by: frostbyte-gaming on Tue, 20 February 2018, 08:37:27
Very cool definitely love Xondat's past designs and excited to see he is now doing a tkl with matching numpad.

Also really excited to see what colors for the limited edition people are looking to get. I know I would like to do some kind of green as that is a color I don't see too often but I think the dark red on the Singa r1 would also be cool.

Keep up the good work Xondat.  :thumb:
Title: Re: [IC] Noxary 280 & 220
Post by: crtexcnndrm99 on Tue, 20 February 2018, 09:10:51
Green pcb of course.

Xondat on a roll here. Great stuff  :thumb:
Title: Re: [IC] Noxary 280 & 220
Post by: megaforce on Tue, 20 February 2018, 10:10:03
wheres the xrf

are u gonna include screws for the screw in stabs tho
Title: Re: [IC] Noxary 280 & 220
Post by: phorx on Tue, 20 February 2018, 10:19:17
Very nice!
Title: Re: [IC] Noxary 280 & 220
Post by: aznreaper on Tue, 20 February 2018, 10:56:52
Interesting, will the limited editions have different weight cut outs/serial numbers like the 268?
Title: Re: [IC] Noxary 280 & 220
Post by: Peiweisgreat on Tue, 20 February 2018, 12:13:03
YES! Finally a tkl design from you. This saves me the trouble of having to buy an elemento, but now I have to spend some on the pad as well. Anyway super excited for this buy, count me in. Also the pcb should be red. Most of your boards look black/red anyway, would just match the scheme.
Title: Re: [IC] Noxary 280 & 220
Post by: phorx on Tue, 20 February 2018, 14:23:02
What configuration of materials does the stated 2.4kg weight refer to?  All aluminum?  With brass options?
Title: Re: [IC] Noxary 280 & 220
Post by: futurecrime on Tue, 20 February 2018, 17:10:03
Oh yeah, green PCB.
Title: Re: [IC] Noxary 280 & 220
Post by: phorx on Tue, 20 February 2018, 17:50:56
Red PCB, no question!
Title: Re: [IC] Noxary 280 & 220
Post by: keebweeb on Tue, 20 February 2018, 19:11:04
Red PCB pls
Title: Re: [IC] Noxary 280 & 220
Post by: xondat on Tue, 20 February 2018, 21:23:46
What case colors will be available outside the possible limited edition stuff? I love me some dark gray like the mockups are.

Not decided yet. Definitely Black, Silver, and Dark Gray. Down to do Red, and maybe a Navy.

wheres the xrf

are u gonna include screws for the screw in stabs tho

Wrong thread m8

$%#@ me! I like it so much I think I'll try to get into this GB too. Take it easy on my wallet mate!

Hopefully little effort needs to be made, judging by the comments, I think there will be a quite high quantity. Should be easier on your wallet too :cool:

Interesting, will the limited editions have different weight cut outs/serial numbers like the 268?

If I can think of something new ;D

What configuration of materials does the stated 2.4kg weight refer to?  All aluminum?  With brass options?

Aluminum plate for both :)



For the sample PCBs, I'll order red and make my choice after that. Might as well mix it up a bit!

P.S. Added a hole that'll be on all plates for the reset button (for when programming). It's the worst thing when you're done assembling a case and need to undo 10 screws to press it :'(

(https://i.imgur.com/YdeZtpc.png)
Title: Re: [IC] Noxary 280 & 220
Post by: clankgy1 on Tue, 20 February 2018, 22:00:50
MIght be intererested.  Has nothing to do with what is being offered, but everything to do with cash flow :(
Title: Re: [IC] Noxary 280 & 220
Post by: MMKB on Tue, 20 February 2018, 22:22:32
No more words. Ready to place an order for white cerakoted 280+220.
Title: Re: [IC] Noxary 280 & 220
Post by: hayt on Tue, 20 February 2018, 22:52:46
Have been enjoying seeing the progress you've made and refinements to the design! Nice work man!
Title: Re: [IC] Noxary 280 & 220
Post by: Nenija on Wed, 21 February 2018, 02:58:41
Definitely interested in a 220 to match the 268! Which also means my vote goes for green PCB :P
Title: Re: [IC] Noxary 280 & 220
Post by: phorx on Wed, 21 February 2018, 05:44:01
I’m worried that limiting the cerakote run to 30 might be too few to meet demand!
Title: Re: [IC] Noxary 280 & 220
Post by: amnesia0287 on Wed, 21 February 2018, 05:46:56
I’m worried that limiting the cerakote run to 30 might be too few to meet demand!

You do understand what the point of running a special limited edition is right? :P

Also, if its like 268 ag, its not 30 cerakote, its 30 custom colors and then a smaller cap on cerakote as he has to take them and get them finished himself.

He wants it limited on purpose, not because he is unaware of demand.
Title: Re: [IC] Noxary 280 & 220
Post by: phorx on Wed, 21 February 2018, 08:34:08
I’m worried that limiting the cerakote run to 30 might be too few to meet demand!

You do understand what the point of running a special limited edition is right? :P

Also, if its like 268 ag, its not 30 cerakote, its 30 custom colors and then a smaller cap on cerakote as he has to take them and get them finished himself.

He wants it limited on purpose, not because he is unaware of demand.

I’m worried that limiting the cerakote run to 30 might be too few to meet demand!

You do understand what the point of running a special limited edition is right? :P

Also, if its like 268 ag, its not 30 cerakote, its 30 custom colors and then a smaller cap on cerakote as he has to take them and get them finished himself.

He wants it limited on purpose, not because he is unaware of demand.

Sorry I'm still pretty new here.  So in a case like this, would there be a lottery when demand outstrips supply?  Or just FCFS?
Title: Re: [IC] Noxary 280 & 220
Post by: ramnes on Wed, 21 February 2018, 10:04:29
:thinking:

Definitely interested but not now; too many projects and low on cash, sorry buddy!
Title: Re: [IC] Noxary 280 & 220
Post by: xondat on Wed, 21 February 2018, 10:30:01
Sorry I'm still pretty new here.  So in a case like this, would there be a lottery when demand outstrips supply?  Or just FCFS?

Everything will be FCFS for this since I think there are plenty to go around over the two versions :p

I'll be doing a limited version of 30 because 1) keeps the custom stuff smaller, and easier; 2) I like limited stuff; 3) makes them even more special ;D
Title: Re: [IC] Noxary 280 & 220
Post by: Choppersuey on Wed, 21 February 2018, 12:30:13
Is this bundle only or can you purchase the TKL without the numpad?
Title: Re: [IC] Noxary 280 & 220
Post by: p_blaze on Wed, 21 February 2018, 12:33:17
Sorry I'm still pretty new here.  So in a case like this, would there be a lottery when demand outstrips supply?  Or just FCFS?

Everything will be FCFS for this since I think there are plenty to go around over the two versions :p

I'll be doing a limited version of 30 because 1) keeps the custom stuff smaller, and easier; 2) I like limited stuff; 3) makes them even more special ;D

Do i need to buy the numpad as well for the special edition?
Title: Re: [IC] Noxary 280 & 220
Post by: amnesia0287 on Wed, 21 February 2018, 14:07:45
Sorry I'm still pretty new here.  So in a case like this, would there be a lottery when demand outstrips supply?  Or just FCFS?

Everything will be FCFS for this since I think there are plenty to go around over the two versions :p

I'll be doing a limited version of 30 because 1) keeps the custom stuff smaller, and easier; 2) I like limited stuff; 3) makes them even more special ;D

Do i need to buy the numpad as well for the special edition?

What kind of monster buys a limited edition custom color keyboard without both parts O_o.
Title: Re: [IC] Noxary 280 & 220
Post by: p_blaze on Wed, 21 February 2018, 14:11:48
Sorry I'm still pretty new here.  So in a case like this, would there be a lottery when demand outstrips supply?  Or just FCFS?

Everything will be FCFS for this since I think there are plenty to go around over the two versions :p

I'll be doing a limited version of 30 because 1) keeps the custom stuff smaller, and easier; 2) I like limited stuff; 3) makes them even more special ;D

Do i need to buy the numpad as well for the special edition?

What kind of monster buys a limited edition custom color keyboard without both parts O_o.

An optimistic, yet poor one.
Title: Re: [IC] Noxary 280 & 220
Post by: Puddsy on Wed, 21 February 2018, 16:39:52
Sorry I'm still pretty new here.  So in a case like this, would there be a lottery when demand outstrips supply?  Or just FCFS?

Everything will be FCFS for this since I think there are plenty to go around over the two versions :p

I'll be doing a limited version of 30 because 1) keeps the custom stuff smaller, and easier; 2) I like limited stuff; 3) makes them even more special ;D

Do i need to buy the numpad as well for the special edition?

What kind of monster buys a limited edition custom color keyboard without both parts O_o.

An optimistic, yet poor one.

me irl
Title: Re: [IC] Noxary 280 & 220
Post by: Shados on Wed, 21 February 2018, 19:50:45
I'd definitely be interested in the cerakoted option.
Title: Re: [IC] Noxary 280 & 220
Post by: o3okevin on Wed, 21 February 2018, 20:37:31
In
Title: Re: [IC] Noxary 280 & 220
Post by: p_blaze on Thu, 22 February 2018, 10:41:22
I know you don't like diffusers, but is there any chance we can get one?
Title: Re: [IC] Noxary 280 & 220
Post by: Puddsy on Thu, 22 February 2018, 11:01:51
I know you don't like diffusers, but is there any chance we can get one?

might be awkward to have a diffuser if it's USB-C, but I don't know what type of cutout xondat's gonna use
Title: Re: [IC] Noxary 280 & 220
Post by: xondat on Thu, 22 February 2018, 11:10:18
I place the port cutout on the bottom piece, so any extension would mean the port wouldn't fit.

My greatest intention is to make the typing plane as low as possible, so adding anything unnecessary undermines the months of work I put into getting as low as possible.

A diffuser would be an afterthought and not fit with my vision, so I won't be having one. :)
Title: Re: [IC] Noxary 280 & 220
Post by: p_blaze on Thu, 22 February 2018, 11:14:07
I place the port cutout on the bottom piece, so any extension would mean the port wouldn't fit.

My greatest intention is to make the typing plane as low as possible, so adding anything unnecessary undermines the months of work I put into getting as low as possible.

A diffuser would be an afterthought and not fit with my vision, so I won't be having one. :)

Oh well,  I didn't really expect one. Keeping it classy :cool:
Title: Re: [IC] Noxary 280 & 220
Post by: Puddsy on Thu, 22 February 2018, 11:14:40
I place the port cutout on the bottom piece, so any extension would mean the port wouldn't fit.

My greatest intention is to make the typing plane as low as possible, so adding anything unnecessary undermines the months of work I put into getting as low as possible.

A diffuser would be an afterthought and not fit with my vision, so I won't be having one. :)

also it seems like most people think they look ****, so probably for the better
Title: Re: [IC] Noxary 280 & 220
Post by: wetnwylde on Thu, 22 February 2018, 14:03:48
Put me down for both in Cerakote white.
Title: Re: [IC] Noxary 280 & 220
Post by: xondat on Thu, 22 February 2018, 14:10:23
Is this bundle only or can you purchase the TKL without the numpad?

Do I need to buy the numpad as well for the special edition?

Sorry I missed these, it'll probably go as follows:

30 limited 280s and 30 limited 220s.

Anyone getting a 280 has first priority to get the matching 220 number.

Any left over limited 220s will then go to any non-limited 280 buyers.

If there are still limited 220s left, will be available as just the pad.

If all 30 220s sell out, I'll do non-limited, but doubt it :))
Title: Re: [IC] Noxary 280 & 220
Post by: Peppermint216 on Thu, 22 February 2018, 14:31:40
Is this bundle only or can you purchase the TKL without the numpad?

Do I need to buy the numpad as well for the special edition?

Sorry I missed these, it'll probably go as follows:

30 limited 280s and 30 limited 220s.

Anyone getting a 280 has first priority to get the matching 220 number.

Any left over limited 220s will then go to any non-limited 280 buyers.

If there are still limited 220s left, will be available as just the pad.

If all 30 220s sell out, I'll do non-limited, but doubt it :))
Oh, I though it was 30 limited 280s in custom colours and some more 280s in standard colours?
Title: Re: [IC] Noxary 280 & 220
Post by: phorx on Thu, 22 February 2018, 14:34:08
Put me down for the 280 & 220 in cerakote purple.  No way this purchase is making it through wife approval if she doesn't like the colour  :p
Title: Re: [IC] Noxary 280 & 220
Post by: p_blaze on Thu, 22 February 2018, 14:39:19
Is this bundle only or can you purchase the TKL without the numpad?

Do I need to buy the numpad as well for the special edition?

Sorry I missed these, it'll probably go as follows:

30 limited 280s and 30 limited 220s.

Anyone getting a 280 has first priority to get the matching 220 number.

Any left over limited 220s will then go to any non-limited 280 buyers.

If there are still limited 220s left, will be available as just the pad.

If all 30 220s sell out, I'll do non-limited, but doubt it :))

OOOOH YES I DON'T HAVE TO RUIN MY BUDGET
And the last questions: can we anodize the top and bottom of the case different colors, and will the brass be pvd coated?
Title: Re: [IC] Noxary 280 & 220
Post by: xondat on Thu, 22 February 2018, 14:42:30
Oh, I though it was 30 limited 280s in custom colours and some more 280s in standard colours?

Yeah, just was referring to solely numbered cases :)

And the last questions: can we anodize the top and bottom of the case different colors, and will the brass be pvd coated?

Of course, and nope, brass will be media blasted. I don't like the aesthetic of PVD.
Title: Re: [IC] Noxary 280 & 220
Post by: Peppermint216 on Thu, 22 February 2018, 14:44:51
Ah good, think I'll get one limited or not :)
Title: Re: [IC] Noxary 280 & 220
Post by: phorx on Thu, 22 February 2018, 14:48:35
Of course, and nope, brass will be media blasted. I don't like the aesthetic of PVD.

What does "media blasted" brass look like ( shiny or matte finish )?  Does it tarnish?  Is it easy/hard to clean?
Title: Re: [IC] Noxary 280 & 220
Post by: p_blaze on Thu, 22 February 2018, 14:50:38
Oh, I though it was 30 limited 280s in custom colours and some more 280s in standard colours?

Yeah, just was referring to solely numbered cases :)

And the last questions: can we anodize the top and bottom of the case different colors, and will the brass be pvd coated?

Of course, and nope, brass will be media blasted. I don't like the aesthetic of PVD.

tarnishing feelsbadman
would a lacquer be a good idea?
Title: Re: [IC] Noxary 280 & 220
Post by: Puddsy on Thu, 22 February 2018, 15:15:12
Oh, I though it was 30 limited 280s in custom colours and some more 280s in standard colours?

Yeah, just was referring to solely numbered cases :)

And the last questions: can we anodize the top and bottom of the case different colors, and will the brass be pvd coated?

Of course, and nope, brass will be media blasted. I don't like the aesthetic of PVD.

tarnishing feelsbadman
would a lacquer be a good idea?

it's what i do

i have no problems, but i know some people have had problems with it before
Title: Re: [IC] Noxary 280 & 220
Post by: stxfreak on Thu, 22 February 2018, 15:46:41
will both versions have the number engraved (limited vs normal colors) and will the limited one be more expensive? Still debating if I want a 60% or a really nice TKL for my money... it looks really nice!

if the price for the limited ones isnt much higher, put me down for one of those, not sure about the color yet. (only 280, not the budget for both)
Title: Re: [IC] Noxary 280 & 220
Post by: xondat on Thu, 22 February 2018, 17:32:56
Ah good, think I'll get one limited or not :)

:-*

What does "media blasted" brass look like ( shiny or matte finish )?  Does it tarnish?  Is it easy/hard to clean?

Matte finish, so identical to the weights basically. It does tarnish, and I haven't tried cleaning because I like it :p

(https://i.imgur.com/nRCPy5p.jpg)

tarnishing feelsbadman
would a lacquer be a good idea?

Would probably work, just don't add too much because I use quite tight tolerances :eek:

will both versions have the number engraved (limited vs normal colors) and will the limited one be more expensive? Still debating if I want a 60% or a really nice TKL for my money... it looks really nice!

if the price for the limited ones isnt much higher, put me down for one of those, not sure about the color yet. (only 280, not the budget for both)

No, just limited. And no, price will be the same (unless cerakoting). Thanks :D
Title: Re: [IC] Noxary 280 & 220
Post by: p_blaze on Thu, 22 February 2018, 17:35:18
Ah good, think I'll get one limited or not :)

:-*

What does "media blasted" brass look like ( shiny or matte finish )?  Does it tarnish?  Is it easy/hard to clean?

Matte finish, so identical to the weights basically. It does tarnish, and I haven't tried cleaning because I like it :p

Show Image
(https://i.imgur.com/nRCPy5p.jpg)


tarnishing feelsbadman
would a lacquer be a good idea?

Would probably work, just don't add too much because I use quite tight tolerances :eek:

will both versions have the number engraved (limited vs normal colors) and will the limited one be more expensive? Still debating if I want a 60% or a really nice TKL for my money... it looks really nice!

if the price for the limited ones isnt much higher, put me down for one of those, not sure about the color yet. (only 280, not the budget for both)

No, just limited. And no, price will be the same (unless cerakoting). Thanks :D

Holy **** that is a sexy looking weight. Will we need to pick exact anodization/cerakote colors when we fill out the FCFS form or will we have time to choose?
Title: Re: [IC] Noxary 280 & 220
Post by: xondat on Thu, 22 February 2018, 17:41:11
Holy **** that is a sexy looking weight. Will we need to pick exact anodization/cerakote colors when we fill out the FCFS form or will we have time to choose?

See ;)

I let everyone confirm their anodizing choice later, and cerakoting can be changed until I get the parts in.
Title: Re: [IC] Noxary 280 & 220
Post by: stxfreak on Thu, 22 February 2018, 17:45:15
Holy **** that is a sexy looking weight. Will we need to pick exact anodization/cerakote colors when we fill out the FCFS form or will we have time to choose?

See ;)

I let everyone confirm their anodizing choice later, and cerakoting can be changed until I get the parts in.

okay, nice! put me down for a limited one then, i'll decide on the color later. :)
Title: Re: [IC] Noxary 280 & 220
Post by: p_blaze on Thu, 22 February 2018, 18:27:58
Holy **** that is a sexy looking weight. Will we need to pick exact anodization/cerakote colors when we fill out the FCFS form or will we have time to choose?

See ;)

I let everyone confirm their anodizing choice later, and cerakoting can be changed until I get the parts in.

Yessssss I gotta start researching the best red cerakotes now
Title: Re: [IC] Noxary 280 & 220
Post by: Puddsy on Thu, 22 February 2018, 21:58:28
Holy **** that is a sexy looking weight. Will we need to pick exact anodization/cerakote colors when we fill out the FCFS form or will we have time to choose?

See ;)

I let everyone confirm their anodizing choice later, and cerakoting can be changed until I get the parts in.

Yessssss I gotta start researching the best red cerakotes now

there are only four options

stoplight red (https://www.cerakoteguncoatings.com/finishes/C-143Q/stoplight-red/)

S&W red (https://www.cerakoteguncoatings.com/finishes/H-216Q/smith-wesson-red/)

crimson (https://www.cerakoteguncoatings.com/finishes/H-221Q/crimson/)

USMC red (https://www.cerakoteguncoatings.com/finishes/H-167Q/usmc-red/)

you can order up to 5 swatches, free in US, not sure about globally
Title: Re: [IC] Noxary 280 & 220
Post by: p_blaze on Thu, 22 February 2018, 22:11:48
Holy **** that is a sexy looking weight. Will we need to pick exact anodization/cerakote colors when we fill out the FCFS form or will we have time to choose?

See ;)

I let everyone confirm their anodizing choice later, and cerakoting can be changed until I get the parts in.

Yessssss I gotta start researching the best red cerakotes now

there are only four options

stoplight red (https://www.cerakoteguncoatings.com/finishes/C-143Q/stoplight-red/)

S&W red (https://www.cerakoteguncoatings.com/finishes/H-216Q/smith-wesson-red/)

crimson (https://www.cerakoteguncoatings.com/finishes/H-221Q/crimson/)

USMC red (https://www.cerakoteguncoatings.com/finishes/H-167Q/usmc-red/)

you can order up to 5 swatches, free in US, not sure about globally

Really? How do I order swatches?
Are there swatches for anodization too, or do I just provide a pantone code?
Title: Re: [IC] Noxary 280 & 220
Post by: Peiweisgreat on Thu, 22 February 2018, 22:48:23
Damn hopefully this gb opens when I'm not working that way I can make sure to get in on this cerakote action.
Title: Re: [IC] Noxary 280 & 220
Post by: Puddsy on Thu, 22 February 2018, 23:39:46
Holy **** that is a sexy looking weight. Will we need to pick exact anodization/cerakote colors when we fill out the FCFS form or will we have time to choose?

See ;)

I let everyone confirm their anodizing choice later, and cerakoting can be changed until I get the parts in.

Yessssss I gotta start researching the best red cerakotes now

there are only four options

stoplight red (https://www.cerakoteguncoatings.com/finishes/C-143Q/stoplight-red/)

S&W red (https://www.cerakoteguncoatings.com/finishes/H-216Q/smith-wesson-red/)

crimson (https://www.cerakoteguncoatings.com/finishes/H-221Q/crimson/)

USMC red (https://www.cerakoteguncoatings.com/finishes/H-167Q/usmc-red/)

you can order up to 5 swatches, free in US, not sure about globally

Really? How do I order swatches?
Are there swatches for anodization too, or do I just provide a pantone code?

(https://i.imgur.com/dIOGXsx.png)

and then just put in the color codes you want

ano, depends on factory, up to xondat to get samples
Title: Re: [IC] Noxary 280 & 220
Post by: xondat on Fri, 23 February 2018, 00:18:53
Going to put up a form later and see where the interest lies. I’ve only seen people comment for the limited 280, so it’s kind of worrying that all the demand lies in 30 boards as I was planning to produce a lot more.

I am still very thankful that so many are interested :D
Title: Re: [IC] Noxary 280 & 220
Post by: LightningXI on Fri, 23 February 2018, 06:25:40
Going to put up a form later and see where the interest lies. I’ve only seen people comment for the limited 280, so it’s kind of worrying that all the demand lies in 30 boards as I was planning to produce a lot more.

I am still very thankful that so many are interested :D
It'd perhaps be wise to open up the cerakoting / custom color option to some more folks, as therein lies quite a lot of the interest.

I might join this, but I might require time to decide. Things are moving too quickly for me, both in expenses and in timing relative to real-life circumstances.

Best of luck and thanks for your diligence, xondat.

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Title: Re: [IC] Noxary 280 & 220
Post by: mudcakehoney on Fri, 23 February 2018, 06:26:45
Can someone please explain the difference in finish between cerakoting and anodising, is it like rough matt vs shiny metallic or more subtle than that?
Title: Re: [IC] Noxary 280 & 220
Post by: bthezebra on Fri, 23 February 2018, 11:00:15
I definitely want a brown 280 and matching 220 will try my best to make it in but if not will still go in on normal edition. Love the xondat treatment and style :)
Title: Re: [IC] Noxary 280 & 220
Post by: phorx on Fri, 23 February 2018, 11:29:19

you can order up to 5 swatches, free in US, not sure about globally

I ordered some swatches and it was still free to Canada. Will probably take a good while to arrive though since the sender has “gun” in their name.
Title: Re: [IC] Noxary 280 & 220
Post by: p_blaze on Fri, 23 February 2018, 11:33:31

you can order up to 5 swatches, free in US, not sure about globally

I ordered some swatches and it was still free to Canada. Will probably take a good while to arrive though since the sender has “gun” in their name.

You are now on a list
A canadian list
Title: Re: [IC] Noxary 280 & 220
Post by: Puddsy on Fri, 23 February 2018, 13:03:36
Can someone please explain the difference in finish between cerakoting and anodising, is it like rough matt vs shiny metallic or more subtle than that?

anodizing: oxidizing aluminum in a way to make the surface harder and more durable, better explained by this video

pros: pretty durable, a few nice finish options, there's an anodizers guild with tons of info about it, can be done in your backyard if you're really curious

cons: limited color options, no two batches are exactly the same color, prone to defects

cerakote: a super durable coating often used to "paint" guns. it is NOT the same as powdercoating. here's a random video i found of the application process (that i didn't watch all of) 

pros: many color options (can mix it to get ones that aren't canned), can be cheaper than anodizing in some cases, often easier to get done local

cons: bad cerakoting is (in terms of looks) worse than bad anodizing, excessively durable in terms of keyboards unless you're weird and keep knives on your desk, hard to find cerakote shops in some places

from my experience with cerakoting and anodizing and discussions with makers, the hierarchy is a bit like this: good anodizing > good cerakote > bad anodizing > bad cerakote

my personal preference is powdercoat, since there are lot more color/finish options than cerakote, and i think it looks better

poco is less durable and often more expensive to do than cerakote, however

hope this helps

Going to put up a form later and see where the interest lies. I’ve only seen people comment for the limited 280, so it’s kind of worrying that all the demand lies in 30 boards as I was planning to produce a lot more.

I am still very thankful that so many are interested :D
It'd perhaps be wise to open up the cerakoting / custom color option to some more folks, as therein lies quite a lot of the interest.

I might join this, but I might require time to decide. Things are moving too quickly for me, both in expenses and in timing relative to real-life circumstances.

Best of luck and thanks for your diligence, xondat.

Sent from my mobile using Tapatalk

i agree, but imagine the work involved in QCing 70 boards where you have to color match all of them
Title: Re: [IC] Noxary 280 & 220
Post by: clasicks on Fri, 23 February 2018, 13:51:09
has puddsy gotten an award for person most involved with things hes not involved in at all, yet?
Title: Re: [IC] Noxary 280 & 220
Post by: amnesia0287 on Fri, 23 February 2018, 14:37:47
has puddsy gotten an award for person most involved with things hes not involved in at all, yet?

He is the foreman afterall...
Title: Re: [IC] Noxary 280 & 220
Post by: Puddsy on Fri, 23 February 2018, 14:42:40
has puddsy gotten an award for person most involved with things hes not involved in at all, yet?

into the signature you go
Title: Re: [IC] Noxary 280 & 220
Post by: clasicks on Fri, 23 February 2018, 14:43:30
has puddsy gotten an award for person most involved with things hes not involved in at all, yet?

into the signature you go

najs  :cool:
Title: Re: [IC] Noxary 280 & 220
Post by: Puddsy on Fri, 23 February 2018, 14:45:57
has puddsy gotten an award for person most involved with things hes not involved in at all, yet?

He is the foreman afterall...

i just hate waiting for updates
Title: Re: [IC] Noxary 280 & 220
Post by: p_blaze on Fri, 23 February 2018, 15:02:29
has puddsy gotten an award for person most involved with things hes not involved in at all, yet?

He is the foreman afterall...

i just hate waiting for updates

Aren't we all
Title: Re: [IC] Noxary 280 & 220
Post by: mudcakehoney on Fri, 23 February 2018, 15:53:52
Can someone please explain the difference in finish between cerakoting and anodising, is it like rough matt vs shiny metallic or more subtle than that?

pros: pretty durable, a few nice finish options, there's an anodizers guild with tons of info about it, can be done in your backyard if you're really curious

cons: limited color options, no two batches are exactly the same color, prone to defects

pros: many color options (can mix it to get ones that aren't canned), can be cheaper than anodizing in some cases, often easier to get done local

cons: bad cerakoting is (in terms of looks) worse than bad anodizing, excessively durable in terms of keyboards unless you're weird and keep knives on your desk, hard to find cerakote shops in some places

from my experience with cerakoting and anodizing and discussions with makers, the hierarchy is a bit like this: good anodizing > good cerakote > bad anodizing > bad cerakote

my personal preference is powdercoat, since there are lot more color/finish options than cerakote, and i think it looks better

poco is less durable and often more expensive to do than cerakote, however

hope this helps

Going to put up a form later and see where the interest lies. I’ve only seen people comment for the limited 280, so it’s kind of worrying that all the demand lies in 30 boards as I was planning to produce a lot more.

I am still very thankful that so many are interested :D
It'd perhaps be wise to open up the cerakoting / custom color option to some more folks, as therein lies quite a lot of the interest.

I might join this, but I might require time to decide. Things are moving too quickly for me, both in expenses and in timing relative to real-life circumstances.

Best of luck and thanks for your diligence, xondat.

Sent from my mobile using Tapatalk

i agree, but imagine the work involved in QCing 70 boards where you have to color match all of them

Thank you Puddsy, I had a feeling you would come through with the goods here :thumb:
Title: Re: [IC] Noxary 280 & 220
Post by: Puddsy on Fri, 23 February 2018, 16:28:37
Thank you Puddsy, I had a feeling you would come through with the goods here :thumb:

no problem
Title: Re: [IC] Noxary 280 & 220
Post by: megaforce on Fri, 23 February 2018, 17:25:00
love me some puddsy

one of those good geekhack members
Title: Re: [IC] Noxary 280 & 220
Post by: MMKB on Mon, 26 February 2018, 18:25:22
Saw your Noxary's Project Page and was curious about the naming convention. Sorry if this has been answered elsewhere but I'm wondering why some names have the 'X' prefix and some don't.

On the other hand, I'd really appreciate a non-brass insert as an option. I'm really struggling when carrying the X60. The inertia is so great that bouncing around might damage the keys/switches. Therefore I have to wrap it excessively each time. The super smooth finish doesn't help either. Most people here probably don't mind but I think the point needs to be made.
Title: Re: [IC] Noxary 280 & 220
Post by: prelude46 on Mon, 26 February 2018, 18:52:05
What case colors will be available outside the possible limited edition stuff? I love me some dark gray like the mockups are.

Not decided yet. Definitely Black, Silver, and Dark Gray. Down to do Red, and maybe a Navy.

wheres the xrf

are u gonna include screws for the screw in stabs tho

Wrong thread m8

$%#@ me! I like it so much I think I'll try to get into this GB too. Take it easy on my wallet mate!

Hopefully little effort needs to be made, judging by the comments, I think there will be a quite high quantity. Should be easier on your wallet too :cool:

Interesting, will the limited editions have different weight cut outs/serial numbers like the 268?

If I can think of something new ;D

What configuration of materials does the stated 2.4kg weight refer to?  All aluminum?  With brass options?

Aluminum plate for both :)



For the sample PCBs, I'll order red and make my choice after that. Might as well mix it up a bit!

P.S. Added a hole that'll be on all plates for the reset button (for when programming). It's the worst thing when you're done assembling a case and need to undo 10 screws to press it :'(

Show Image
(https://i.imgur.com/YdeZtpc.png)


Navy would be sooo hot. How many more standard colors were you thinking of doing? I'd be most interested in the standard dark gray or some kind of blue if you include that as an option.
Title: Re: [IC] Noxary 280 & 220
Post by: Kafka on Mon, 26 February 2018, 19:01:50
Saw your Noxary's Project Page and was curious about the naming convention. Sorry if this has been answered elsewhere but I'm wondering why some names have the 'X' prefix and some don't.

On the other hand, I'd really appreciate a non-brass insert as an option. I'm really struggling when carrying the X60. The inertia is so great that bouncing around might damage the keys/switches. Therefore I have to wrap it excessively each time. The super smooth finish doesn't help either. Most people here probably don't mind but I think the point needs to be made.

I think a non brass insert would be neat
Title: Re: [IC] Noxary 280 & 220
Post by: xondat on Mon, 26 February 2018, 19:17:53
Saw your Noxary's Project Page and was curious about the naming convention. Sorry if this has been answered elsewhere. Some names have the 'X' prefix and some don't.

On the other hand, I'd really appreciate a non-brass insert as an option. I'm really struggling when carrying the X60. The inertia is so great that bouncing around might damage the keys/switches. Therefore I have to wrap it excessively each time. The super smooth finish doesn't help either. Most people here probably don't mind but I think the point needs to be made.

280/220 can be broken down to Series 2 (2XX), and 80/20%.

Series 2 is essentially the architecture of the cases which took almost a year of research/modelling etc. Thinking about it, I'm not sure there will be a Series 3.

Of course the only three boards to make it to GB are exceptions to this naming scheme (xondat 60; Series 2 68 key; xondat 60 revised) :rolleyes:

Maaaaaybe. It isn't in my vision but I can completely understand it. It would save 993 grams :))

Navy would be sooo hot. How many more standard colors were you thinking of doing? I'd be most interested in the standard dark gray or some kind of blue if you include that as an option.

My 268 AG is Navy, so if I fall in love with it (I hope I will), then it'll make its return.

I don't want to make standard too complicated, as that's saved for the limited builds, but I don't want to make the customization gap too large as it'll just flop. Unsure on everything at the minute.
Title: Re: [IC] Noxary 280 & 220
Post by: prelude46 on Mon, 26 February 2018, 20:01:43
Saw your Noxary's Project Page and was curious about the naming convention. Sorry if this has been answered elsewhere. Some names have the 'X' prefix and some don't.

On the other hand, I'd really appreciate a non-brass insert as an option. I'm really struggling when carrying the X60. The inertia is so great that bouncing around might damage the keys/switches. Therefore I have to wrap it excessively each time. The super smooth finish doesn't help either. Most people here probably don't mind but I think the point needs to be made.

280/220 can be broken down to Series 2 (2XX), and 80/20%.

Series 2 is essentially the architecture of the cases which took almost a year of research/modelling etc. Thinking about it, I'm not sure there will be a Series 3.

Of course the only three boards to make it to GB are exceptions to this naming scheme (xondat 60; Series 2 68 key; xondat 60 revised) :rolleyes:

Maaaaaybe. It isn't in my vision but I can completely understand it. It would save 993 grams :))

Navy would be sooo hot. How many more standard colors were you thinking of doing? I'd be most interested in the standard dark gray or some kind of blue if you include that as an option.

My 268 AG is Navy, so if I fall in love with it (I hope I will), then it'll make its return.

I don't want to make standard too complicated, as that's saved for the limited builds, but I don't want to make the customization gap too large as it'll just flop. Unsure on everything at the minute.

Understandable. If no navy, I'd totally be in for the winkey dark gray.
Title: Re: [IC] Noxary 280 & 220
Post by: HardcoreDesk on Mon, 26 February 2018, 21:51:42
Neon Tie Dye Mix better be a standard color.
Title: Re: [IC] Noxary 280 & 220
Post by: Puddsy on Mon, 26 February 2018, 22:03:43
Neon Tie Dye Mix better be a standard color.

You joke, but cerakote can be applied in as many layers as you've got money to pay for.

(https://scontent-sea1-1.cdninstagram.com/t51.2885-15/s480x480/e35/13423496_495803220605489_239492835_n.jpg?ig_cache_key=MTI3OTM0OTY0NjYzMjA2MTE4NQ%3D%3D.2)
Title: Re: [IC] Noxary 280 & 220
Post by: phorx on Mon, 26 February 2018, 22:51:51

You joke, but cerakote can be applied in as many layers as you've got money to pay for


Hmm, now you’ve got me wondering if anyone’s done a plaid keyboard... :cool:
Title: Re: [IC] Noxary 280 & 220
Post by: Kafka on Tue, 27 February 2018, 00:13:27

Red or Navy anode would be dope, for the non limited edition.
Title: Re: [IC] Noxary 280 & 220
Post by: prelude46 on Tue, 27 February 2018, 21:25:19
Neon Tie Dye Mix better be a standard color.

You joke, but cerakote can be applied in as many layers as you've got money to pay for.

Show Image
(https://scontent-sea1-1.cdninstagram.com/t51.2885-15/s480x480/e35/13423496_495803220605489_239492835_n.jpg?ig_cache_key=MTI3OTM0OTY0NjYzMjA2MTE4NQ%3D%3D.2)


This has me wondering if it's possible to do something like a pearlescent anodized aluminum. That would be amazing.
Title: Re: [IC] Noxary 280 & 220
Post by: Puddsy on Wed, 28 February 2018, 00:19:31
Neon Tie Dye Mix better be a standard color.

You joke, but cerakote can be applied in as many layers as you've got money to pay for.

Show Image
(https://scontent-sea1-1.cdninstagram.com/t51.2885-15/s480x480/e35/13423496_495803220605489_239492835_n.jpg?ig_cache_key=MTI3OTM0OTY0NjYzMjA2MTE4NQ%3D%3D.2)


This has me wondering if it's possible to do something like a pearlescent anodized aluminum. That would be amazing.

as far as i know, it's not
Title: Re: [IC] Noxary 280 & 220
Post by: kamilakas on Fri, 02 March 2018, 12:22:18
Is it possible to lower radius of the corner's rounding?
Title: Re: [IC] Noxary 280 & 220
Post by: Puddsy on Fri, 02 March 2018, 12:23:33
Is it possible to lower radius of the corner's rounding?

elaborate please
Title: Re: [IC] Noxary 280 & 220
Post by: megaforce on Fri, 02 March 2018, 12:32:45
Is it possible to lower radius of the corner's rounding?

elaborate please
Decrease the length of radius where the perpendicular edges meet.

Sent from my LG-US996 using Tapatalk

Title: Re: [IC] Noxary 280 & 220
Post by: xondat on Fri, 02 March 2018, 12:33:34
Is it possible to lower radius of the corner's rounding?

No, I like it this way :p

By the way, going to put a form up later to gauge what people want ;D
Title: Re: [IC] Noxary 280 & 220
Post by: Puddsy on Fri, 02 March 2018, 12:34:22
Is it possible to lower radius of the corner's rounding?

elaborate please
Decrease the length of radius where the perpendicular edges meet.

Sent from my LG-US996 using Tapatalk

i was trying to bait him into an MS paint drawing, pls
Title: Re: [IC] Noxary 280 & 220
Post by: kamilakas on Fri, 02 March 2018, 12:47:02
Is it possible to lower radius of the corner's rounding?

elaborate please
Decrease the length of radius where the perpendicular edges meet.

Sent from my LG-US996 using Tapatalk

i was trying to bait him into an MS paint drawing, pls

lol haha, I'd better go for Fusion to explain my suggestion
Title: Re: [IC] Noxary 280 & 220 (Interest Form Inside)
Post by: xondat on Fri, 02 March 2018, 15:18:28
If you're interested, let me know by filling this form in please! (https://goo.gl/forms/TnBNIXwuRV8ek1Pf1)

Just want to see where the interest lies etc :D

Forgot username, so redo if it wasn't there :(
Title: Re: [IC] Noxary 280 & 220 (Interest Form Inside)
Post by: o3okevin on Fri, 02 March 2018, 15:28:39
If you're interested, let me know by filling this form in please! (https://goo.gl/forms/TnBNIXwuRV8ek1Pf1)

Just want to see where the interest lies etc :D

Forgot username, so redo if it wasn't there :(
Filled out!
Title: Re: [IC] Noxary 280 & 220 (Interest Form Inside)
Post by: Oblotzky on Fri, 02 March 2018, 15:42:37
If you're interested, let me know by filling this form in please! (https://goo.gl/forms/TnBNIXwuRV8ek1Pf1)

Just want to see where the interest lies etc :D

Forgot username, so redo if it wasn't there :(
Filled out!

Same
Title: Re: [IC] Noxary 280 & 220 (Interest Form Inside)
Post by: bthezebra on Fri, 02 March 2018, 15:42:40
Opinion submitted
Title: Re: [IC] Noxary 280 & 220 (Interest Form Inside)
Post by: xondat on Fri, 02 March 2018, 15:44:11
Idiot here, I forgot the option for winkey/winkeyless. It doesn't matter too much because both will happen anyway. Maybe just quote this saying which you'd use? I imagine split is about 60/40 WKL/WK.
Title: Re: [IC] Noxary 280 & 220 (Interest Form Inside)
Post by: Oblotzky on Fri, 02 March 2018, 15:48:22
Idiot here, I forgot the option for winkey/winkeyless. It doesn't matter too much because both will happen anyway. Maybe just quote this saying which you'd use? I imagine split is about 60/40 WKL/WK.

Winkey Life with standard layout.
Title: Re: [IC] Noxary 280 & 220 (Interest Form Inside)
Post by: Choppersuey on Fri, 02 March 2018, 15:52:45
Idiot here, I forgot the option for winkey/winkeyless. It doesn't matter too much because both will happen anyway. Maybe just quote this saying which you'd use? I imagine split is about 60/40 WKL/WK.

WK with standard ANSI layout
Title: Re: [IC] Noxary 280 & 220 (Interest Form Inside)
Post by: o3okevin on Fri, 02 March 2018, 15:56:35
Idiot here, I forgot the option for winkey/winkeyless. It doesn't matter too much because both will happen anyway. Maybe just quote this saying which you'd use? I imagine split is about 60/40 WKL/WK.

WK always
Title: Re: [IC] Noxary 280 & 220 (Interest Form Inside)
Post by: Puddsy on Fri, 02 March 2018, 16:15:39
Idiot here, I forgot the option for winkey/winkeyless. It doesn't matter too much because both will happen anyway. Maybe just quote this saying which you'd use? I imagine split is about 60/40 WKL/WK.

check some GB order check spreadsheets like LZ CLS and MIRA, they're usually in the OP

i think 55/45 is closer
Title: Re: [IC] Noxary 280 & 220 (Interest Form Inside)
Post by: oatmicro on Fri, 02 March 2018, 16:16:48
Idiot here, I forgot the option for winkey/winkeyless. It doesn't matter too much because both will happen anyway. Maybe just quote this saying which you'd use? I imagine split is about 60/40 WKL/WK.

WKL  :cool:
Title: Re: [IC] Noxary 280 & 220 (Interest Form Inside)
Post by: futurecrime on Fri, 02 March 2018, 16:21:28
Idiot here, I forgot the option for winkey/winkeyless. It doesn't matter too much because both will happen anyway. Maybe just quote this saying which you'd use? I imagine split is about 60/40 WKL/WK.

Wankeyless 
Title: Re: [IC] Noxary 280 & 220 (Interest Form Inside)
Post by: dr_derivative on Fri, 02 March 2018, 16:25:31
Idiot here, I forgot the option for winkey/winkeyless. It doesn't matter too much because both will happen anyway. Maybe just quote this saying which you'd use? I imagine split is about 60/40 WKL/WK.

WKL ;D
Title: Re: [IC] Noxary 280 & 220 (Interest Form Inside)
Post by: phorx on Fri, 02 March 2018, 16:55:30
Idiot here, I forgot the option for winkey/winkeyless. It doesn't matter too much because both will happen anyway. Maybe just quote this saying which you'd use? I imagine split is about 60/40 WKL/WK.

WK but I’m OK either way
Title: Re: [IC] Noxary 280 & 220 (Interest Form Inside)
Post by: p_blaze on Fri, 02 March 2018, 17:09:16
I use the winkey sometimes but blockers look too good... wkl for me
Title: Re: [IC] Noxary 280 & 220 (Interest Form Inside)
Post by: dallman5 on Fri, 02 March 2018, 17:14:00
WKL :thumb:
Title: Re: [IC] Noxary 280 & 220 (Interest Form Inside)
Post by: zekkin on Fri, 02 March 2018, 17:28:45
Idiot here, I forgot the option for winkey/winkeyless. It doesn't matter too much because both will happen anyway. Maybe just quote this saying which you'd use? I imagine split is about 60/40 WKL/WK.

WKL is da wey
Title: Re: [IC] Noxary 280 & 220 (Interest Form Inside)
Post by: keebweeb on Fri, 02 March 2018, 17:59:00
WKL for the TKL.
Title: Re: [IC] Noxary 280 & 220 (Interest Form Inside)
Post by: vtachkov on Fri, 02 March 2018, 18:00:14
Idiot here, I forgot the option for winkey/winkeyless. It doesn't matter too much because both will happen anyway. Maybe just quote this saying which you'd use? I imagine split is about 60/40 WKL/WK.

WK
Title: Re: [IC] Noxary 280 & 220 (Interest Form Inside)
Post by: Cavemann6 on Fri, 02 March 2018, 18:30:51
If you're interested, let me know by filling this form in please! (https://goo.gl/forms/TnBNIXwuRV8ek1Pf1)

Just want to see where the interest lies etc :D

Forgot username, so redo if it wasn't there :(

submitted  :thumb:
Title: Re: [IC] Noxary 280 & 220 (Interest Form Inside)
Post by: Captain Shwah on Fri, 02 March 2018, 20:05:29
Idiot here, I forgot the option for winkey/winkeyless. It doesn't matter too much because both will happen anyway. Maybe just quote this saying which you'd use? I imagine split is about 60/40 WKL/WK.

WKL
Title: Re: [IC] Noxary 280 & 220 (Interest Form Inside)
Post by: bthezebra on Fri, 02 March 2018, 20:31:30
WKL
Title: Re: [IC] Noxary 280 & 220 (Interest Form Inside)
Post by: hervuli on Fri, 02 March 2018, 20:56:16
Idiot here, I forgot the option for winkey/winkeyless. It doesn't matter too much because both will happen anyway. Maybe just quote this saying which you'd use? I imagine split is about 60/40 WKL/WK.

WK
Title: Re: [IC] Noxary 280 & 220 (Interest Form Inside)
Post by: neon_tom on Fri, 02 March 2018, 23:27:30
Idiot here, I forgot the option for winkey/winkeyless. It doesn't matter too much because both will happen anyway. Maybe just quote this saying which you'd use? I imagine split is about 60/40 WKL/WK.

WK
Title: Re: [IC] Noxary 280 & 220 (Interest Form Inside)
Post by: prelude46 on Fri, 02 March 2018, 23:55:42
Idiot here, I forgot the option for winkey/winkeyless. It doesn't matter too much because both will happen anyway. Maybe just quote this saying which you'd use? I imagine split is about 60/40 WKL/WK.

Filled out! Wkl for me. So if I'm reading this right, the 220 will be limited edition only? If I got a standard board could I still get a 220?
Title: Re: [IC] Noxary 280 & 220 (Interest Form Inside)
Post by: soba on Fri, 02 March 2018, 23:59:26
WKL ;)
Title: Re: [IC] Noxary 280 & 220 (Interest Form Inside)
Post by: Niz8sauce on Sat, 03 March 2018, 04:49:29
Submitted interest form. wk
Title: Re: [IC] Noxary 280 & 220 (Interest Form Inside)
Post by: Hako on Sat, 03 March 2018, 05:04:40
Idiot here, I forgot the option for winkey/winkeyless. It doesn't matter too much because both will happen anyway. Maybe just quote this saying which you'd use? I imagine split is about 60/40 WKL/WK.

WKL!
Title: Re: [IC] Noxary 280 & 220 (Interest Form Inside)
Post by: Peppermint216 on Sat, 03 March 2018, 05:07:48
WK
Title: Re: [IC] Noxary 280 & 220 (Interest Form Inside)
Post by: Burt Macklin on Sat, 03 March 2018, 05:14:17
Winkey, standard ANSI layout.
I'm interested in 280, just not sure about all the options -
need to find out what some of them actually mean  :eek:

One question: where would this ship from? UK?
Title: Re: [IC] Noxary 280 & 220 (Interest Form Inside)
Post by: t8c on Sat, 03 March 2018, 05:21:41
Answered!
Title: Re: [IC] Noxary 280 & 220 (Interest Form Inside)
Post by: bminhz on Sat, 03 March 2018, 06:38:48
Form submitted...wk


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Title: Re: [IC] Noxary 280 & 220 (Interest Form Inside)
Post by: midnight2903 on Sat, 03 March 2018, 09:28:48
Interested
Title: Re: [IC] Noxary 280 & 220 (Interest Form Inside)
Post by: xondat on Sat, 03 March 2018, 10:29:36
Filled out! Wkl for me. So if I'm reading this right, the 220 will be limited edition only? If I got a standard board could I still get a 220?

Maybe, it depends on how many want the 220 :))

Winkey, standard ANSI layout.
I'm interested in 280, just not sure about all the options -
need to find out what some of them actually mean  :eek:

One question: where would this ship from? UK?

Fixed means singular layout, so it'll be a clean plate. Universal will cover all traditional options. Partial means there will only be a plate around the modifiers, so the alpha keys will have no plate, and will feel like PCB mount aka plateless. 5mm means a 5mm plate, so will feel & sound different.

It'll ship directly from me, so the UK. Shipping prices aren't terrible ($50-60 CONUS 2 day tracked).

Title: Re: [IC] Noxary 280 & 220 (Interest Form Inside)
Post by: phorx on Sat, 03 March 2018, 10:33:08
Ahh, I need to change my survey answers a bit lol
Title: Re: [IC] Noxary 280 & 220 (Interest Form Inside)
Post by: xondat on Sat, 03 March 2018, 10:34:49
Ahh, I need to change my survey answers a bit lol

I'll delete your first response if you do a second ;D
Title: Re: [IC] Noxary 280 & 220 (Interest Form Inside)
Post by: p_blaze on Sat, 03 March 2018, 10:39:37
Has anyone tried 5mm brass?
Title: Re: [IC] Noxary 280 & 220 (Interest Form Inside)
Post by: Kafka on Sat, 03 March 2018, 10:42:59
Has anyone tried 5mm brass?

Zephyr has one
Title: Re: [IC] Noxary 280 & 220 (Interest Form Inside)
Post by: prelude46 on Sat, 03 March 2018, 10:45:09
Filled out! Wkl for me. So if I'm reading this right, the 220 will be limited edition only? If I got a standard board could I still get a 220?

Maybe, it depends on how many want the 220 :))

Winkey, standard ANSI layout.
I'm interested in 280, just not sure about all the options -
need to find out what some of them actually mean  :eek:

One question: where would this ship from? UK?

Fixed means singular layout, so it'll be a clean plate. Universal will cover all traditional options. Partial means there will only be a plate around the modifiers, so the alpha keys will have no plate, and will feel like PCB mount aka plateless. 5mm means a 5mm plate, so will feel & sound different.

It'll ship directly from me, so the UK. Shipping prices aren't terrible ($50-60 CONUS 2 day tracked).

I want a 220! Let me know if there are any available after the customs get first pick.  :-*
Title: Re: [IC] Noxary 280 & 220 (Interest Form Inside)
Post by: Choppersuey on Sat, 03 March 2018, 10:45:09
Fixed means singular layout, so it'll be a clean plate. Universal will cover all traditional options. Partial means there will only be a plate around the modifiers, so the alpha keys will have no plate, and will feel like PCB mount aka plateless. 5mm means a 5mm plate, so will feel & sound different.

oh, I misunderstood the plate options. I'll have to resubmit as well  :-[
Title: Re: [IC] Noxary 280 & 220 (Interest Form Inside)
Post by: xondat on Sat, 03 March 2018, 10:48:29
Has anyone tried 5mm brass?

5mm is still fairly untouched, not sure many have actually typed on it. I still need to order a prototype after CNY, but it's something I've worked with RagingPwner on.

(https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/393398042037846016/419326941980524584/x60v2_e.png)

I want a 220! Let me know if there are any available after the customs get first pick.  :-*

I'll make sure to have enough :D

oh, I misunderstood the plate options. I'll have to resubmit as well  :-[

Go ahead :-*
Title: Re: [IC] Noxary 280 & 220 (Interest Form Inside)
Post by: ygor on Sat, 03 March 2018, 10:58:39
If the PCB is white we can always just dye it whatever color we desire. Heheheh
Title: Re: [IC] Noxary 280 & 220 (Interest Form Inside)
Post by: Puddsy on Sat, 03 March 2018, 11:42:55
If the PCB is white we can always just dye it whatever color we desire. Heheheh

...does that actually work?
Title: Re: [IC] Noxary 280 & 220 (Interest Form Inside)
Post by: clasicks on Sat, 03 March 2018, 13:06:12
yes ygor has done it - looks dope
Title: Re: [IC] Noxary 280 & 220 (Interest Form Inside)
Post by: Puddsy on Sat, 03 March 2018, 13:28:44
yes ygor has done it - looks dope

yeah i found the pictures after i posted that

pretty sweet

although i'll always advocate for red PCB
Title: Re: [IC] Noxary 280 & 220 (Interest Form Inside)
Post by: p_blaze on Sat, 03 March 2018, 13:51:32
yes ygor has done it - looks dope

yeah i found the pictures after i posted that

pretty sweet

although i'll always advocate for red PCB

Red and black pcbs got class
Title: Re: [IC] Noxary 280 & 220 (Interest Form Inside)
Post by: xondat on Sat, 03 March 2018, 14:37:44
Going to order red prototype PCBs, might order white/green too. Not a fan of black :'(
Title: Re: [IC] Noxary 280 & 220 (Interest Form Inside)
Post by: Oblotzky on Sat, 03 March 2018, 14:41:59
Going to order red prototype PCBs, might order white/green too. Not a fan of black :'(

Sounds like a great opportunity to turn this GB into a logistical nightmare
Title: Re: [IC] Noxary 280 & 220 (Interest Form Inside)
Post by: xondat on Sat, 03 March 2018, 14:42:32
Going to order red prototype PCBs, might order white/green too. Not a fan of black :'(

Sounds like a great opportunity to turn this GB into a logistical nightmare

I should offer individual plate layouts
Title: Re: [IC] Noxary 280 & 220 (Interest Form Inside)
Post by: Oblotzky on Sat, 03 March 2018, 14:47:24
Going to order red prototype PCBs, might order white/green too. Not a fan of black :'(

Sounds like a great opportunity to turn this GB into a logistical nightmare

I should offer individual plate layouts

Don't forget custom engraving options for the weights
Title: Re: [IC] Noxary 280 & 220 (Interest Form Inside)
Post by: xondat on Sat, 03 March 2018, 14:56:02
If you're interested, let me know by filling this form in please! (https://goo.gl/forms/TnBNIXwuRV8ek1Pf1)

Just want to see where the interest lies etc :D

Forgot username, so redo if it wasn't there :(

Going to close this shortly, so if you want to show what you're interested in, then fill it in. Some things with lack of interest won't make it :'(
Title: Re: [IC] Noxary 280 & 220 (Interest Form Inside)
Post by: JFKroflcopter on Sat, 03 March 2018, 17:27:48
Pretty sure my form was submitted - anyway, WKL and (hopefully) 220 for this guy
Title: Re: [IC] Noxary 280 & 220 (Interest Form Inside)
Post by: Oblotzky on Mon, 05 March 2018, 09:51:09
10/10 would have sexual relations with this board

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Title: Re: [IC] Noxary 280 & 220 (Interest Form Inside)
Post by: futurecrime on Mon, 05 March 2018, 10:05:17
Ermagawd. Nice renders yo.
Title: Re: [IC] Noxary 280 & 220 (Interest Form Inside)
Post by: p_blaze on Mon, 05 March 2018, 10:10:14
Wow
Title: Re: [IC] Noxary 280 & 220 (Interest Form Inside)
Post by: Rubbermilitia on Mon, 05 March 2018, 12:22:02
I wasn't able to reach the form in time, but if I can purchase a black 280 plus shipping for under 400$ I'm an 100% in.

Been following this thread since the start, wasn't sure if I wanted to participate until i compared the price of the 280 with other similar custom boards.
If the final price for a black 280 plus shipping is over 400 I unfortunately can't do it- otherwise I'm all in.
Title: Re: [IC] Noxary 280 & 220 (Interest Form Inside)
Post by: xondat on Mon, 05 March 2018, 12:24:53
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I wasn't able to reach the form in time, but if I can purchase a black 280 plus shipping for under 400$ I'm an 100% in.

Been following this thread since the start, wasn't sure if I wanted to participate until i compared the price of the 280 with other similar custom boards.
If the final price for a black 280 plus shipping is over 400 I unfortunately can't do it- otherwise I'm all in.

Under $400 aim is without shipping as this varies greatly. Definitely won't hit $400 with shipping.
Title: Re: [IC] Noxary 280 & 220 (Interest Form Inside)
Post by: Rubbermilitia on Mon, 05 March 2018, 12:29:35
Under $400 aim is without shipping as this varies greatly. Definitely won't hit $400 with shipping.

Where are you shipping from? I'm in US-FL. Slightly over 400 probably isn't a big deal
Title: Re: [IC] Noxary 280 & 220 (Interest Form Inside)
Post by: p_blaze on Mon, 05 March 2018, 12:32:25
10/10 would have sexual relations with this board

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Massive thanks to Oblotzky for the amazing renders :-* :-*



I wasn't able to reach the form in time, but if I can purchase a black 280 plus shipping for under 400$ I'm an 100% in.

Been following this thread since the start, wasn't sure if I wanted to participate until i compared the price of the 280 with other similar custom boards.
If the final price for a black 280 plus shipping is over 400 I unfortunately can't do it- otherwise I'm all in.

Under $400 aim is without shipping as this varies greatly. Definitely won't hit $400 with shipping.

I'm confused, is the "sub 175" in the first description for the tenkey pad or just a random goal?
Either way, it's a pretty good price
also is there an alps pcb that will fit this
Title: Re: [IC] Noxary 280 & 220 (Interest Form Inside)
Post by: Rubbermilitia on Mon, 05 March 2018, 12:38:00
I'm confused, is the "sub 175" in the first description for the tenkey pad or just a random goal?
Either way, it's a pretty good price
also is there an alps pcb that will fit this

Pretty sure the 175 price is for the numpad. A custom TKL for 175 would be insane

Also, I wonder if this alps/smk pcb would fit the case: http://www.lfkeyboards.com/smk-tkl.html
The page says it "fits many after market cases and plates." but doesn't provide any measurements. I just emailed them asking for measurements
Title: Re: [IC] Noxary 280 & 220 (Interest Form Inside)
Post by: MMKB on Mon, 05 March 2018, 12:38:05
 :p  Love the simple geometry. It's nuts -- only early March in 2018 and my mind has been blown multiple times.
Title: Re: [IC] Noxary 280 & 220 (Interest Form Inside)
Post by: xondat on Mon, 05 March 2018, 12:39:14
Where are you shipping from? I'm in US-FL. Slightly over 400 probably isn't a big deal

UK; it's likely to be $60, 2 day tracked shipping.

Under $400 aim is without shipping as this varies greatly. Definitely won't hit $400 with shipping.

I'm confused, is the "sub 175" in the first description for the tenkey pad or just a random goal?
Either way, it's a pretty good price
also is there an alps pcb that will fit this

Sub $175 is my goal for the pad.

Alps won't fit as the switch pins are too long. I also don't have any interest in developing Alps for now :-[
Title: Re: [IC] Noxary 280 & 220 (Interest Form Inside)
Post by: Rubbermilitia on Mon, 05 March 2018, 12:42:25
Apparently the LF Keyboards SMK/Alps TKL PCB overall dimensions are 344.5mm x 123.75mm. Maybe xondat can let us know if that would fit the dimensions of the case

sounds like he already ruled it out due to switch pin length though. Didn't even know that was a relevant attribute
Title: Re: [IC] Noxary 280 & 220 (Interest Form Inside)
Post by: xondat on Mon, 05 March 2018, 12:43:52
Apparently the LF Keyboards SMK/Alps TKL PCB overall dimensions are 344.5mm x 123.75mm. Maybe xondat can let us know if that would fit the dimensions of the case

sounds like he already ruled it out due to switch pin length though. Didn't even know that was a relevant attribute

Don't think it'd fit, I've got the insides as compact as possible.

But yeah, top of plate down, Alps is .2mm longer than MX. I've designed Series 2 around only MX :(
Title: Re: [IC] Noxary 280 & 220 (Interest Form Inside)
Post by: p_blaze on Mon, 05 March 2018, 12:44:56
Where are you shipping from? I'm in US-FL. Slightly over 400 probably isn't a big deal

UK; it's likely to be $60, 2 day tracked shipping.

Under $400 aim is without shipping as this varies greatly. Definitely won't hit $400 with shipping.

I'm confused, is the "sub 175" in the first description for the tenkey pad or just a random goal?
Either way, it's a pretty good price
also is there an alps pcb that will fit this

Sub $175 is my goal for the pad.

Alps won't fit as the switch pins are too long. I also don't have any interest in developing Alps for now :-[

welp, matias click switches sounds soooooo good
I guess box navy will have to do
but you could always clip the pins after soldering AFAIK
Title: Re: [IC] Noxary 280 & 220 (Interest Form Inside)
Post by: ricrackem on Mon, 05 March 2018, 15:29:02
Dis some hot ****....definitely interested.
Title: Re: [IC] Noxary 280 & 220 (Interest Form Inside)
Post by: ramnes on Mon, 05 March 2018, 17:36:32
:thinking:

Definitely interested but not now; too many projects and low on cash, sorry buddy!

****, I might end up changing my decision here... :confused:

Title: Re: [IC] Noxary 280 & 220 (Interest Form Inside)
Post by: cirrus82 on Mon, 05 March 2018, 18:48:29
A clean kit+numpad! I'm so in.
Title: Re: [IC] Noxary 280 & 220 (Interest Form Inside)
Post by: forumusername on Mon, 05 March 2018, 19:49:42
Take my money 💸
Title: Re: [IC] Noxary 280 & 220 (Interest Form Inside)
Post by: DALExSNAIL on Mon, 05 March 2018, 20:09:05
Just dropping in to say Army Green please.
Title: Re: [IC] Noxary 280 & 220 (Interest Form Inside)
Post by: dyrdevil on Mon, 05 March 2018, 21:41:20
mmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm

my x60R doesn't even exist yet and it's already getting jealous
Title: Re: [IC] Noxary 280 & 220 (Interest Form Inside)
Post by: p_blaze on Mon, 05 March 2018, 22:02:33
mmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm

my x60R doesn't even exist yet and it's already getting jealous

This doesn't either so you are perfectly justified in comparing them ;)
Title: Re: [IC] Noxary 280 & 220 (Interest Form Inside)
Post by: Puddsy on Mon, 05 March 2018, 22:19:44
i gotta say i've been pretty impressed with xondat's work the last few weeks

if x60r and 268 are as nice as they seem, then i bet this will be pretty damn good

also for colors, black/silver/red is the classic

although over the summer i may enter the market for a yellow alu TKL
Title: Re: [IC] Noxary 280 & 220 (Interest Form Inside)
Post by: prelude46 on Mon, 05 March 2018, 22:49:40
Has anyone tried 5mm brass?

5mm is still fairly untouched, not sure many have actually typed on it. I still need to order a prototype after CNY, but it's something I've worked with RagingPwner on.

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I want a 220! Let me know if there are any available after the customs get first pick.  :-*

I'll make sure to have enough :D

oh, I misunderstood the plate options. I'll have to resubmit as well  :-[

Go ahead :-*

Yay you're the best :D
Title: Re: [IC] Noxary 280 & 220 (Interest Form Inside)
Post by: clee on Wed, 07 March 2018, 02:59:51
Looks like I missed out on filling in the form, but I'm in for a winkey 280 + 220 in white cerakote if possible.
Title: Re: [IC] Noxary 280 & 220 (Interest Form Inside)
Post by: stxfreak on Thu, 08 March 2018, 05:00:26
Also missed the form, but want nothing special, black 280 winkey.
Title: Re: [IC] Noxary 280 & 220 (Interest Form Inside)
Post by: phorx on Sat, 10 March 2018, 06:53:37
Any ETA on the GB?  Also curious about what the interest survey results were...
Title: Re: [IC] Noxary 280 & 220 (Interest Form Inside)
Post by: xondat on Sat, 10 March 2018, 09:03:18
Any ETA on the GB?  Also curious about what the interest survey results were...

I’ll update in a couple of hours :p
Title: Re: [IC] Noxary 280 & 220 (Interest Form Inside)
Post by: boxfrommoon on Sat, 10 March 2018, 11:56:02
Also missed the form but one black WKL for me please! Looks awesome!
Title: Re: [IC] Noxary 280 & 220 (Update!)
Post by: xondat on Sat, 10 March 2018, 20:51:24
Couple of hours meaning 11... shhhh...

Here is as much information I have noted down:

Total Run of 100:
- 30 Limited Editions (Will feature a split weight similar to 268 AG, individually numbered (01-30), unlimited color choice, design TBD, name TBD)
- 70 Standards

Other Stuff:
- Red PCB (TBD)
- USB-C
- WKL & WK Top Pieces
- $400 Starting Price
- Cerakoting Availability (TBD)

Standard Colors: AT LEAST
- Dark Gray
- Black
- Silver
- Red
- Dark Blue

Plate Variants:
- Fixed (Normal Backspace/Left Shift/Right Shift, ANSI, Stepped Caps, 1.5 1 1.5 7 1.5 1 1.5 Bottom)
- Universal (Including & opposite of mentioned above with 1.25 Bottom)
- Partial Fixed
- 5mm Fixed (Limited Materials, Price TBC) (TBC)
- 5mm Universal (Limited Materials, Price TBC) (TBC/TBD)

Plate Materials:
- Brass
- Aluminum
- Frosted Polycarbonate (TBC)
- Stainless Steel

Timeline:
I need to order the samples, and then we're basically good. Still at the very end of PCB development, so I'm thinking this can be ordered late next week. 2-3 week turnaround is expected, and group buy will start shortly after.

Confused some before, TBD means I've not decided personally, TBC means I need to confirm whether it's possible/viable.

220 Information (Basically the same, just a bit less):
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Total Run of 30+
- 30 Limited Editions
- If all go, possibility for more

Other Stuff:
- Red PCB (TBD)
- USB-C
- Starting Price TBC
- Cerakoting Availability (TBD)

Standard Colors: AT LEAST
- Dark Gray
- Black
- Silver
- Red
- Dark Blue

Plate Variants:
- Fixed (2U +/Enter/0)
- Universal (Including and opposite of mentioned above)
- 5mm Fixed (Limited Materials, Price TBC) (TBD)

Plate Materials:
- Brass
- Aluminum
- Frosted Polycarbonate (TBC)
- Stainless Steel
Title: Re: [IC] Noxary 280 & 220 (Update!)
Post by: ramnes on Sat, 10 March 2018, 21:08:21
go xondat go
Title: Re: [IC] Noxary 280 & 220 (Update!)
Post by: Kafka on Sat, 10 March 2018, 21:18:45
the faster this happens the quicker I get my X60 V2  :p
Title: Re: [IC] Noxary 280 & 220 (Update!)
Post by: Peiweisgreat on Sat, 10 March 2018, 23:11:27
O a dark blue option too in the normal editions? That color would look real nice on a tkl like this.
Title: Re: [IC] Noxary 280 & 220 (Update!)
Post by: phorx on Sun, 11 March 2018, 08:40:20
Any idea on price for the 220?  Or price premium for limited?
Title: Re: [IC] Noxary 280 & 220 (Update!)
Post by: xondat on Mon, 12 March 2018, 10:28:36
Any idea on price for the 220?  Or price premium for limited?

Aiming for around $175 :thumb:

No price premium.
Title: Re: [IC] Noxary 280 & 220 (Update!)
Post by: futurecrime on Mon, 12 March 2018, 10:37:22
Any idea on price for the 220?  Or price premium for limited?

Aiming for around $175 :thumb:

No price premium.

Price will vary depending on custom colour though right? Like if four people all want the same custom colour anodisation, theirs will be cheaper than a one off anodisation?
Title: Re: [IC] Noxary 280 & 220 (Update!)
Post by: xondat on Tue, 13 March 2018, 17:32:09
Any idea on price for the 220?  Or price premium for limited?

Aiming for around $175 :thumb:

No price premium.

Price will vary depending on custom colour though right? Like if four people all want the same custom colour anodisation, theirs will be cheaper than a one off anodisation?

Didn't happen with 268 so probably not.
Title: Re: [IC] Noxary 280 & 220 (Update!)
Post by: futurecrime on Tue, 13 March 2018, 18:12:11
Any idea on price for the 220?  Or price premium for limited?

Aiming for around $175 :thumb:

No price premium.

Price will vary depending on custom colour though right? Like if four people all want the same custom colour anodisation, theirs will be cheaper than a one off anodisation?

Didn't happen with 268 so probably not.

Ok. Brilliant. Nice one!
Title: Re: [IC] Noxary 280 & 220 (Update!)
Post by: Etherealsound on Fri, 16 March 2018, 09:21:29
What kind of alu will be used to make the case? Will there be any chance of it being 7075?
Title: Re: [IC] Noxary 280 & 220 (Update!)
Post by: p_blaze on Fri, 16 March 2018, 09:27:55
What kind of alu will be used to make the case? Will there be any chance of it being 7075?

7075 with those vibrant hard anodes looks stunning
Title: Re: [IC] Noxary 280 & 220 (Update!)
Post by: Puddsy on Fri, 16 March 2018, 14:01:57
What kind of alu will be used to make the case? Will there be any chance of it being 7075?

prolly 6061 or 6063 so he can meet the target price
Title: Re: [IC] Noxary 280 & 220 (Update!)
Post by: xondat on Fri, 16 March 2018, 14:29:57
What kind of alu will be used to make the case? Will there be any chance of it being 7075?

I'll be going with 6061 since I don't want to take any major changes to what works. I could do a few 7075 as part test, part GB if a few want. :p
Title: Re: [IC] Noxary 280 & 220 (Update!)
Post by: p_blaze on Fri, 16 March 2018, 14:32:57
What kind of alu will be used to make the case? Will there be any chance of it being 7075?

I'll be going with 6061 since I don't want to take any major changes to what works. I could do a few 7075 as part test, part GB if a few want. :p

Sounds very interesting but if the price is higher as Puddsy said then I probably can't T_T
Title: Re: [IC] Noxary 280 & 220 (Update!)
Post by: xondat on Fri, 16 March 2018, 14:36:01
There are 3 versions planned, so probably shouldn't make it any more complex anyway :)) :))
Title: Re: [IC] Noxary 280 & 220 (Update!)
Post by: phorx on Fri, 16 March 2018, 14:38:10
What are the benefits of using 7075 vs 6061 aluminum?
Title: Re: [IC] Noxary 280 & 220 (Update!)
Post by: p_blaze on Fri, 16 March 2018, 14:45:20
There are 3 versions planned, so probably shouldn't make it any more complex anyway :)) :))

3 versions? Regular, limited, and pad?
Title: Re: [IC] Noxary 280 & 220 (Update!)
Post by: xondat on Fri, 16 March 2018, 14:47:23
There are 3 versions planned, so probably shouldn't make it any more complex anyway :)) :))

3 versions? Regular, limited, and pad?

3 versions of the TKL :-X
Title: Re: [IC] Noxary 280 & 220 (Update!)
Post by: p_blaze on Fri, 16 March 2018, 14:48:09
There are 3 versions planned, so probably shouldn't make it any more complex anyway :)) :))

3 versions? Regular, limited, and pad?

3 versions of the TKL :-X

What is the third? :thinking: or is this a surprise  :p
Title: Re: [IC] Noxary 280 & 220 (Update!)
Post by: clasicks on Fri, 16 March 2018, 15:41:55
ONLY THE BEST DESIGN EVER
Title: Re: [IC] Noxary 280 & 220 (Update!)
Post by: phorx on Fri, 16 March 2018, 17:17:49
There are 3 versions planned, so probably shouldn't make it any more complex anyway :)) :))

3 versions? Regular, limited, and pad?

3 versions of the TKL :-X

What is the third? :thinking: or is this a surprise  :p

Limited cerakote, limited anodized, and regular anodized ?
Title: Re: [IC] Noxary 280 & 220 (Update!)
Post by: Etherealsound on Fri, 16 March 2018, 17:46:59
What kind of alu will be used to make the case? Will there be any chance of it being 7075?

I'll be going with 6061 since I don't want to take any major changes to what works. I could do a few 7075 as part test, part GB if a few want. :p

I might be down for that
Title: Re: [IC] Noxary 280 & 220 (Update!)
Post by: Peiweisgreat on Fri, 16 March 2018, 19:29:51
What kind of alu will be used to make the case? Will there be any chance of it being 7075?

I'll be going with 6061 since I don't want to take any major changes to what works. I could do a few 7075 as part test, part GB if a few want. :p

No need to over complicate things for yourself, and what are the differences between the 6061/63 and 7075?
Title: Re: [IC] Noxary 280 & 220 (Update!)
Post by: p_blaze on Fri, 16 March 2018, 19:38:35
What kind of alu will be used to make the case? Will there be any chance of it being 7075?

I'll be going with 6061 since I don't want to take any major changes to what works. I could do a few 7075 as part test, part GB if a few want. :p

No need to over complicate things for yourself, and what are the differences between the 6061/63 and 7075?
7075 is very good for hard ano
Title: Re: [IC] Noxary 280 & 220 (Update!)
Post by: phorx on Fri, 16 March 2018, 20:05:54
7075 is very good for hard ano

Does it limit color choice?
Title: Re: [IC] Noxary 280 & 220 (Update!)
Post by: p_blaze on Fri, 16 March 2018, 20:21:20
7075 is very good for hard ano

Does it limit color choice?

No clue, but I've seen some really nice hard anos like the FMJ
Title: Re: [IC] Noxary 280 & 220 (Update!)
Post by: Etherealsound on Fri, 16 March 2018, 22:42:33
7075 is very good for hard ano

Does it limit color choice?

No clue, but I've seen some really nice hard anos like the FMJ

Yeah, with 7075 the texture and finish of the alu is quite a bit better imo.
Title: Re: [IC] Noxary 280 & 220 (Update!)
Post by: Puddsy on Fri, 16 March 2018, 23:02:54
7075 is very good for hard ano

Does it limit color choice?

yes, getting hard ano in colors other than black is generally very expensive and difficult to do

doing type 3 ano tints the color VERY dark, so you can't really do a lot of things you can do with type 2
Title: Re: [IC] Noxary 280 & 220 (Update!)
Post by: Etherealsound on Fri, 16 March 2018, 23:09:51
7075 is very good for hard ano

Does it limit color choice?

No clue, but I've seen some really nice hard anos like the FMJ

Yes, most hard anos are usually black or a dark color but it's sort of overkill for a keyboard anyways. I think it's worth it to just go type II and have a variety of colors, namely silver  ;D.
Title: Re: [IC] Noxary 280 & 220 (Update!)
Post by: futurecrime on Sat, 17 March 2018, 11:04:46
What kind of alu will be used to make the case? Will there be any chance of it being 7075?

I'll be going with 6061 since I don't want to take any major changes to what works. I could do a few 7075 as part test, part GB if a few want. :p

No need to over complicate things for yourself, and what are the differences between the 6061/63 and 7075?

If you're interested you can see a test Yuktsi did here: https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=76672.0
Title: Re: [IC] Noxary 280 & 220 (Update!)
Post by: keebweeb on Sat, 17 March 2018, 20:56:18
What kind of alu will be used to make the case? Will there be any chance of it being 7075?

I'll be going with 6061 since I don't want to take any major changes to what works. I could do a few 7075 as part test, part GB if a few want. :p

No need to over complicate things for yourself, and what are the differences between the 6061/63 and 7075?

If you're interested you can see a test Yuktsi did here: https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=76672.0

Really love the 7075's characteristic slight copper-colored tint visible in that test. It'd be cool to see more keyboards in fancier alloys like that if the extra cost isn't too excessive. Getting the anodizing colors you want might prove more difficult with the reduced aluminum content though, at least from what I've gathered reading finishing.com and various firearm forums.
Title: Re: [IC] Noxary 280 & 220 (Update!)
Post by: phorx on Sat, 17 March 2018, 23:20:57
I’m hoping for a purple 280/220 set, so if it’s 7075 then I’ll guess I’ll have to cross my fingers for a limited edition that can get cerakoted.
Title: Re: [IC] Noxary 280 & 220 (Update!)
Post by: xondat on Sun, 18 March 2018, 16:48:16
Is there any interest in an ISO only plate? I originally made it with the files, might consider running it if a few want it. CLEAN PLATES FOR ALL!
Title: Re: [IC] Noxary 280 & 220 (Update!)
Post by: HaveAGoodDay_ on Sun, 18 March 2018, 18:09:39
Is there any interest in an ISO only plate? I originally made it with the files, might consider running it if a few want it. CLEAN PLATES FOR ALL!

Interested
Title: Re: [IC] Noxary 280 & 220 (Update!)
Post by: Peppermint216 on Sun, 18 March 2018, 18:22:59
I wanted a tight ANSI but a few of my sets don't have stepped caps, so I would need a universal (am I right thinking the fixed ANSI is stepped only?)
Title: Re: [IC] Noxary 280 & 220 (Update!)
Post by: xondat on Sun, 18 March 2018, 18:37:13
I wanted a tight ANSI but a few of my sets don't have stepped caps, so I would need a universal (am I right thinking the fixed ANSI is stepped only?)

Yeah it's currently stepped only, but I may make it fit both. Takes away the point though.
Title: Re: [IC] Noxary 280 & 220 (Update!)
Post by: dr_derivative on Sun, 18 March 2018, 19:25:01
Is there any interest in an ISO only plate? I originally made it with the files, might consider running it if a few want it. CLEAN PLATES FOR ALL!

I'm interested  ;D
Title: Re: [IC] Noxary 280 & 220 (Update!)
Post by: nevaenuf on Sun, 18 March 2018, 19:35:40
Sounds like a lot of fun.  I'm in.
Title: Re: [IC] Noxary 280 & 220 (Update!)
Post by: Theswetiyeti on Thu, 22 March 2018, 01:42:04
Looks really good
Title: Re: [IC] Noxary 280 & 220 (Update!)
Post by: Pwner on Thu, 22 March 2018, 06:00:12
Is there any interest in an ISO only plate? I originally made it with the files, might consider running it if a few want it. CLEAN PLATES FOR ALL!

BANNED!
Title: Re: [IC] Noxary 280 & 220 (Update 3/25)
Post by: xondat on Sun, 25 March 2018, 11:51:51
GB info since a lot of stuff is happening at the minute...

I still need to order the prototype, but I can't until I've decided what to do with the port placement. Should be deciding tomorrow, and have it ordered by the end of the week.

I can't run more than 2 GBs on GH so it'll be after 268 anyway. Will also show the sort of quality this will be (and judging by the parts from production I already have, it'll be 10/10).

Most likely will have a large GB window but with limit slots to hopefully fill them all. If they aren't filled, probably will get extras as the price I'm aiming for would be at the higher quantity :)
Title: Re: [IC] Noxary 280 & 220 (Update 3/25)
Post by: p_blaze on Sun, 25 March 2018, 11:56:04
GB info since a lot of stuff is happening at the minute...

I still need to order the prototype, but I can't until I've decided what to do with the port placement. Should be deciding tomorrow, and have it ordered by the end of the week.

I can't run more than 2 GBs on GH so it'll be after 268 anyway. Will also show the sort of quality this will be (and judging by the parts from production I already have, it'll be 10/10).

Most likely will have a large GB window but with limit slots to hopefully fill them all. If they aren't filled, probably will get extras as the price I'm aiming for would be at the higher quantity :)
H Y P E
Title: Re: [IC] Noxary 280 & 220 (Update 3/25)
Post by: phorx on Sun, 25 March 2018, 12:58:34
Shut up and take my money!   :))
Title: Re: [IC] Noxary 280 & 220 (Update 3/25)
Post by: Skynet_0 on Sun, 25 March 2018, 21:46:38
I can't wait for this lmao
Title: Re: [IC] Noxary 280 & 220 (Update 3/25)
Post by: xondat on Wed, 28 March 2018, 05:39:52
Finished development last night... Finally.

Had a family photo:

(https://i.imgur.com/UxNL9DY.png)

The main noticeable result is this:

(https://i.imgur.com/OnubZTO.png)

Not much... I know :)) It's super clean though. No large cutout -- just a simple, singular hole.

Will aim for prototypes submitted this week :p
Title: Re: [IC] Noxary 280 & 220 (Update 3/25)
Post by: thokir on Wed, 28 March 2018, 05:47:28
All four look really great, nice work! Especially this color... in case the GB is gonna happen, please offer a finish + color combination which makes it look like on the renders.  Would be dope :D

Getting all four of them would give one the perfect loadout... but I already know I won't be able to afford that, sadly.
Title: Re: [IC] Noxary 280 & 220 (Update 3/25)
Post by: futurecrime on Wed, 28 March 2018, 05:54:54
Skillz
Title: Re: [IC] Noxary 280 & 220 (Update 3/25)
Post by: phorx on Wed, 28 March 2018, 05:59:22
Looks great!
Title: Re: [IC] Noxary 280 & 220 (Update 3/25)
Post by: ihalatch on Wed, 28 March 2018, 06:11:13
How tall is the 280 board on both sides? What's the keyboard in the middle? Looks interesting.
Title: Re: [IC] Noxary 280 & 220 (Update 3/25)
Post by: xondat on Wed, 28 March 2018, 06:15:35
:-* :-*

How tall is the 280 board on both sides? What's the keyboard in the middle? Looks interesting.

15mm front faces on all. Dunno about the back.

Keyboard in the middle is a 78 key, same layout as KMAC Mini. It's mainly a reference design as it's the same depth as a 60%, and same width as the TKL.

I'll say it straight away, no plans to run it yet :'(
Title: Re: [IC] Noxary 280 & 220 (Update 3/25)
Post by: thokir on Wed, 28 March 2018, 06:27:09
I'll say it straight away, no plans to run it yet :'(
You make me cry :(
Title: Re: [IC] Noxary 280 & 220 (Update 3/25)
Post by: xondat on Wed, 28 March 2018, 06:29:40
I'll say it straight away, no plans to run it yet :'(
You make me cry :(

:(

I already have 6 projects planned, so best not get too ahead :))
Title: Re: [IC] Noxary 280 & 220 (Update 3/25)
Post by: thokir on Wed, 28 March 2018, 06:33:16
Ugh, 6 projects are a lot. Do you (plan to) handle them all by yourself alone, or will you have some people to help you with them (especially shipping, quality control, talking to the companies etc)? I'd never in my life have the time to do that all alone :D
Title: Re: [IC] Noxary 280 & 220 (Update 3/25)
Post by: ihalatch on Wed, 28 March 2018, 06:44:17
:-* :-*

How tall is the 280 board on both sides? What's the keyboard in the middle? Looks interesting.

15mm front faces on all. Dunno about the back.

Keyboard in the middle is a 78 key, same layout as KMAC Mini. It's mainly a reference design as it's the same depth as a 60%, and same width as the TKL.

I'll say it straight away, no plans to run it yet :'(

I like them a lot but don't have the money to participate in your next GB :( Even if I had the money it'd be pretty difficult to get one.
Title: Re: [IC] Noxary 280 & 220 (Update 3/25)
Post by: p_blaze on Wed, 28 March 2018, 12:37:28
I like the clean cutout, I usually hate those giant holes in most boards
I can't wait to see the proto ^_^
Title: Re: [IC] Noxary 280 & 220 (Update 3/25)
Post by: MMKB on Wed, 28 March 2018, 13:14:34
Finished development last night... Finally.

Had a family photo:

Show Image
(https://i.imgur.com/UxNL9DY.png)


The main noticeable result is this:

Show Image
(https://i.imgur.com/OnubZTO.png)


Not much... I know :)) It's super clean though. No large cutout -- just a simple, singular hole.

Will aim for prototypes submitted this week :p

I love the design language. A rectangle remains a rectangle. Reminds me of Dieter Rams and Corbusier.
Title: Re: [IC] Noxary 280 & 220 (Update 3/25)
Post by: Cavemann6 on Wed, 28 March 2018, 14:21:15
Finished development last night... Finally.

Had a family photo:

Show Image
(https://i.imgur.com/UxNL9DY.png)


The main noticeable result is this:

Show Image
(https://i.imgur.com/OnubZTO.png)


Not much... I know :)) It's super clean though. No large cutout -- just a simple, singular hole.

Will aim for prototypes submitted this week :p

Looks great  :thumb:
Title: Re: [IC] Noxary 280 & 220 (Update 3/25)
Post by: Muffin_Smasher on Fri, 30 March 2018, 17:02:37
I am super hyped to join in on this GB Xondat!   ;)
Title: Re: [IC] Noxary 280 & 220 (Update 3/25)
Post by: xondat on Fri, 30 March 2018, 17:14:33
Ugh, 6 projects are a lot. Do you (plan to) handle them all by yourself alone, or will you have some people to help you with them (especially shipping, quality control, talking to the companies etc)? I'd never in my life have the time to do that all alone :D

GH only allows members to run 2 at a time, so that's going to make it a little easier. I'm good doing everything, it isn't too complex, just a lot of time.

Even if I had the money it'd be pretty difficult to get one.

Well nothing should be apart from the numbered ones :'(


Thanks for all the support guys. I'm ordering the prototype next week, so should have it by the end of next month. I hope!
Title: Re: [IC] Noxary 280 & 220 (Update 3/25)
Post by: nevaenuf on Fri, 30 March 2018, 20:36:19
This buy looks like a lot of fun.  It'll be dope to build.
Title: Re: [IC] Noxary 280 & 220 (Update 3/25)
Post by: get_weird on Fri, 30 March 2018, 21:35:00
This is kinda unrelated, but will we see an x60 v2 anytime soon?
Title: Re: [IC] Noxary 280 & 220 (Update 3/25)
Post by: xondat on Fri, 30 March 2018, 21:54:25
This is kinda unrelated, but will we see an x60 v2 anytime soon?

If this goes how I'd like it to, it'll be after ;D
Title: Re: [IC] Noxary 280 & 220 (Update 3/25)
Post by: p_blaze on Sat, 31 March 2018, 19:29:04
I just happened to wonder, where are the indicator lights going to be?
Title: Re: [IC] Noxary 280 & 220 (Update 3/25)
Post by: xondat on Sat, 31 March 2018, 19:55:59
I just happened to wonder, where are the indicator lights going to be?

In your switches ;)
Title: Re: [IC] Noxary 280 & 220 (Update 3/25)
Post by: SpectreiiI on Sat, 31 March 2018, 20:00:15
I just happened to wonder, where are the indicator lights going to be?

In your switches ;)
I designed a triple windowed stepped cap which integrates indicators, but you have to have the corresponding lights mounted on the pcb.
Title: Re: [IC] Noxary 280 & 220 (Update 3/25)
Post by: xondat on Sat, 31 March 2018, 21:10:04
I just happened to wonder, where are the indicator lights going to be?

In your switches ;)
I designed a triple windowed stepped cap which integrates indicators, but you have to have the corresponding lights mounted on the pcb.

That's nice, but I'm not interested in buying your assets.
Title: Re: [IC] Noxary 280 & 220 (Update 3/25)
Post by: SpectreiiI on Sat, 31 March 2018, 23:06:20
I just happened to wonder, where are the indicator lights going to be?

In your switches ;)
I designed a triple windowed stepped cap which integrates indicators, but you have to have the corresponding lights mounted on the pcb.

That's nice, but I'm not interested in buying your assets.
You lost me.
Title: Re: [IC] Noxary 280 & 220 (Update 3/25)
Post by: xondat on Tue, 03 April 2018, 14:36:24
(https://i.imgur.com/rbjwxNW.png)

Still not a dead project :))

I went with the bottom 220 weight. The other 3 280 weights are the 3 different variants.

Just waiting to order the prototypes and then will run the buy after that. Prototypes should take 2 weeks, so maybe end of this month for GB start?
Title: Re: [IC] Noxary 280 & 220 (Update 3/25)
Post by: phorx on Tue, 03 April 2018, 14:44:26
I like the simple weight designs.  I'll be ready when this goes live.
Title: Re: [IC] Noxary 280 & 220 (Update 3/25)
Post by: xondat on Tue, 03 April 2018, 15:36:40
I like the simple weight designs.  I'll be ready when this goes live.

Thanks!



By the way, if I think anyone is going to flip, you'll receive a special top piece :p

(https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/420659378987991061/430826436899766272/280_v26.png)
Title: Re: [IC] Noxary 280 & 220 (Update 3/25)
Post by: sony on Tue, 03 April 2018, 21:07:33
I like the simple weight designs.  I'll be ready when this goes live.

Thanks!



By the way, if I think anyone is going to flip, you'll receive a special top piece

Show Image
(https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/420659378987991061/430826436899766272/280_v26.png)

I'm sold. Give me one.

Sent from my SM-G960U1 using Tapatalk

Title: Re: [IC] Noxary 280 & 220 (Update 3/25)
Post by: xondat on Tue, 03 April 2018, 21:38:02
I've mentioned in the 208 IC, so I'll put it here too:

Noxary Discord Server (https://discord.gg/N2aNvqN)

I mainly use it for group buy communication and future project communication. Some thing just aren't worth posting on GH, so they'll go here :p

Feel free to join to get those really small updates :))
Title: Re: [IC] Noxary 280 & 220 (Update 3/25)
Post by: xondat on Wed, 04 April 2018, 12:13:39
(https://i.imgur.com/VlfVhhm.png)

(https://i.imgur.com/Gy0e5UL.png)

Final final final versions.

I'm happy with it. Hope everyone else will be :)
Title: Re: [IC] Noxary 280 & 220 (Update 3/25)
Post by: BillyTheMute on Wed, 04 April 2018, 13:20:17
I'm happy with it. Hope everyone else will be :)


I love it.  :thumb:
Title: Re: [IC] Noxary 280 & 220 (Update 3/25)
Post by: phorx on Wed, 04 April 2018, 13:24:31
I've got a few questions:

1.  Could you clarify the differences between the 280, 280S, and 280T versions ?
2.  Will there only be a 220S?  or will un-numbered 220 numpads also be available?
3.  Will the little dolphin above the arrow cluster really be there? ( I like it personally  ;) )
Title: Re: [IC] Noxary 280 & 220 (Update 3/25)
Post by: kevinzavier on Wed, 04 April 2018, 13:35:05
I've got a few questions:

1.  Could you clarify the differences between the 280, 280S, and 280T versions ?
2.  Will there only be a 220S?  or will un-numbered 220 numpads also be available?
3.  Will the little dolphin above the arrow cluster really be there? ( I like it personally  ;) )


So the 280 is the regular option with either wk or wkl, and plate options as well as multiple color options. 280s is a split weight and numbered edition with unlimited color options. And 280t is basically a limited version that is only wkl, red plate, 2 case colors,  and IS CHEAPER. This is what I understood from xondat
Title: Re: [IC] Noxary 280 & 220 (Update 3/25)
Post by: xondat on Wed, 04 April 2018, 13:54:36
I've got a few questions:

1.  Could you clarify the differences between the 280, 280S, and 280T versions ?
2.  Will there only be a 220S?  or will un-numbered 220 numpads also be available?
3.  Will the little dolphin above the arrow cluster really be there? ( I like it personally  ;) )

Might be confusing, but I think it'll be more obvious once I get the samples.

280:
280 S:
280 T:
Or simply, 280 is the normal version; 280 S is the numbered, slightly more special version; and 280 T is the stripped down, focused version. If you're familiar with Porsche, look at the Carrera, Carrera S, and Carrera T. ;)


If the demand is there, I'll make 220 S and 220.


No :)) I do really like it though.
Title: Re: [IC] Noxary 280 & 220 (Update 3/25)
Post by: eatRAMEN on Fri, 06 April 2018, 17:19:44
joined the discord channel already but created an account just to ask this question: by universal PCB does this mean it supports other ones in the such as the TKL87 L3? I'm asking this in regards to the Noxary 280 :D

Title: Re: [IC] Noxary 280 & 220 (Update 3/25)
Post by: xondat on Fri, 06 April 2018, 19:01:12
joined the discord channel already but created an account just to ask this question: by universal PCB does this mean it supports other ones in the such as the TKL87 L3? I'm asking this in regards to the Noxary 280 :D

Nope, should've been more clear with that :'(

The PCB dimensions are completely new, so that it fits perfectly with the port placement on my case, and also so it fits inside.

Universal in this case refers to what layouts are supported, so meaning split backspace/left shift/right shift, stepped caps, ISO enter, 1.25u/WKL bottom row.
Title: Re: [IC] Noxary 280 & 220
Post by: xondat on Tue, 10 April 2018, 19:41:01
Just waiting to receive the final quotes now.

Final pricing and expected dates will follow shortly after those.
Title: Re: [IC] Noxary 280 & 220
Post by: bthezebra on Tue, 10 April 2018, 19:47:23
Omg omg
Title: Re: [IC] Noxary 280 & 220
Post by: Hako on Tue, 10 April 2018, 22:00:46
Any chance you'll be able to offer a silver plate in addition to/instead of a red one for the 280 T? That's the only thing stopping me from going for the T right now.
Title: Re: [IC] Noxary 280 & 220
Post by: xondat on Tue, 10 April 2018, 22:44:37
Any chance you'll be able to offer a silver plate in addition to/instead of a red one for the 280 T? That's the only thing stopping me from going for the T right now.

What's the reasoning behind wanting the T over the normal one? :p
Title: Re: [IC] Noxary 280 & 220
Post by: Hako on Tue, 10 April 2018, 22:58:55
money  :(
Title: Re: [IC] Noxary 280 & 220
Post by: xondat on Tue, 10 April 2018, 23:03:22
money  :(

Oh.. I don't think the price difference will be that significant, but FWIW, I am aiming to bring the price of 280/280 T closer to $350 than $400...
Title: Re: [IC] Noxary 280 & 220
Post by: xondat on Fri, 13 April 2018, 10:33:05
Got the quotes for the case... Just waiting on PCB quotes now.

Unfortunately it won't be near $350, but I still think everything will be very reasonable for what the package is. :(
Title: Re: [IC] Noxary 280 & 220
Post by: kevinzavier on Fri, 13 April 2018, 13:33:50
When are you expected to get the prototype  :cool: ?
Title: Re: [IC] Noxary 280 & 220
Post by: xondat on Fri, 13 April 2018, 13:50:20
When are you expected to get the prototype  :cool: ?

If I read it right, then 10 (+2/3 ship) days after payment!
Title: Re: [IC] Noxary 280 & 220
Post by: xondat on Fri, 13 April 2018, 17:36:39
(https://i.imgur.com/6YlUgoQ.png)

Spoiler?

Yeah probably got to cut a few of these
Title: Re: [IC] Noxary 280 & 220
Post by: Jhors2 on Fri, 13 April 2018, 19:19:09
Hey Xondat,
Any pictures of the plate by itself?  Just curious if you cut any extra reliefs into it for flexibility or not.  The extra plate options seem really interesting.
Title: Re: [IC] Noxary 280 & 220
Post by: xondat on Fri, 13 April 2018, 19:38:55
Hey Xondat,
Any pictures of the plate by itself?  Just curious if you cut any extra reliefs into it for flexibility or not.  The extra plate options seem really interesting.

(https://i.imgur.com/Hpb8KTi.png)

Best I have.

There isn't any solid research into the extra cuts, but I will be doing some, and if I think it's a massive improvement, I'll probably implement it.
Title: Re: [IC] Noxary 280 & 220
Post by: Jhors2 on Fri, 13 April 2018, 22:00:33
Hey Xondat,
Any pictures of the plate by itself?  Just curious if you cut any extra reliefs into it for flexibility or not.  The extra plate options seem really interesting.

Show Image
(https://i.imgur.com/Hpb8KTi.png)


Best I have.

There isn't any solid research into the extra cuts, but I will be doing some, and if I think it's a massive improvement, I'll probably implement it.

Thank you!  I am really curious about the effect on extra reliefs especially near the mounting points to isolate the case from vibration. As well as the effect on sound/feel.  Great work on the board, looking forward to it.
Title: Re: [IC] Noxary 280 & 220
Post by: xondat on Fri, 13 April 2018, 22:15:44
Hey Xondat,
Any pictures of the plate by itself?  Just curious if you cut any extra reliefs into it for flexibility or not.  The extra plate options seem really interesting.

Show Image
(https://i.imgur.com/Hpb8KTi.png)


Best I have.

There isn't any solid research into the extra cuts, but I will be doing some, and if I think it's a massive improvement, I'll probably implement it.

Thank you!  I am really curious about the effect on extra reliefs especially near the mounting points to isolate the case from vibration. As well as the effect on sound/feel.  Great work on the board, looking forward to it.

Yeah me too. I think boards that use singular layouts sound nicer than universal in my experience, and I couldn't really compare feel in a 65% anyway.

I'll be testing this (or some very close variant, definitely adding stuff for the spacebar/2.25+ keys) in the short future.

(https://i.imgur.com/ZVrZ7WH.png)

I've already worked towards isolation, but in this case between the case and the plate. Hopefully the picture shows it enough:

(https://i.imgur.com/XgjVs67.png)

I'm ordering prototypes for both of these and will go with the better version :p

As for general sound/feeling improvements, I've got 15+ different concepts to try out. Very excited to start to test them, but it'll be after I start this buy, and improvements will be implemented in Series 3 :(
Title: Re: [IC] Noxary 280 & 220
Post by: Jhors2 on Fri, 13 April 2018, 22:23:28
No problem!
I am also curious in extra relief cuts immediately above/below the mount points of the plate itself.  I've seen a few OTD boards that have implemented this and it seemed interesting...Either way I'd like to get a 2 series and 3 series if anything for the sake of comparison.  Great work!  It's really refreshing to see someone thinking critically about these things.
Title: Re: [IC] Noxary 280 & 220
Post by: crtexcnndrm99 on Fri, 13 April 2018, 22:35:45
Hey Xondat,
Any pictures of the plate by itself?  Just curious if you cut any extra reliefs into it for flexibility or not.  The extra plate options seem really interesting.

Show Image
(https://i.imgur.com/Hpb8KTi.png)


Best I have.

There isn't any solid research into the extra cuts, but I will be doing some, and if I think it's a massive improvement, I'll probably implement it.

Thank you!  I am really curious about the effect on extra reliefs especially near the mounting points to isolate the case from vibration. As well as the effect on sound/feel.  Great work on the board, looking forward to it.

Yeah me too. I think boards that use singular layouts sound nicer than universal in my experience, and I couldn't really compare feel in a 65% anyway.

I'll be testing this (or some very close variant, definitely adding stuff for the spacebar/2.25+ keys) in the short future.

Show Image
(https://i.imgur.com/ZVrZ7WH.png)


I've already worked towards isolation, but in this case between the case and the plate. Hopefully the picture shows it enough:

Show Image
(https://i.imgur.com/XgjVs67.png)


I'm ordering prototypes for both of these and will go with the better version :p

As for general sound/feeling improvements, I've got 15+ different concepts to try out. Very excited to start to test them, but it'll be after I start this buy, and improvements will be implemented in Series 3 :(

Very interested in these plate cuts and other revisions to mounting etc. - this is what I'm looking for in new designs these days :thumb:
Title: Re: [IC] Noxary 280 & 220
Post by: xondat on Fri, 13 April 2018, 22:42:20
No problem!
I am also curious in extra relief cuts immediately above/below the mount points of the plate itself.  I've seen a few OTD boards that have implemented this and it seemed interesting...Either way I'd like to get a 2 series and 3 series if anything for the sake of comparison.  Great work!  It's really refreshing to see someone thinking critically about these things.

Ah like on the 456GT?

I can't believe I completely missed that.

Yup, that's now another thing on my list to try. Thanks!! :))

Very interested in these plate cuts and other revisions to mounting etc. - this is what I'm looking for in new designs these days :thumb:

What's the point if I'm not ;D
Title: Re: [IC] Noxary 280 & 220
Post by: Jhors2 on Fri, 13 April 2018, 22:53:59
No problem!
I am also curious in extra relief cuts immediately above/below the mount points of the plate itself.  I've seen a few OTD boards that have implemented this and it seemed interesting...Either way I'd like to get a 2 series and 3 series if anything for the sake of comparison.  Great work!  It's really refreshing to see someone thinking critically about these things.

Ah like on the 456GT?

I can't believe I completely missed that.

Yup, that's now another thing on my list to try. Thanks!! :))

Very interested in these plate cuts and other revisions to mounting etc. - this is what I'm looking for in new designs these days :thumb:

What's the point if I'm not ;D

Yes, the 456gt is exactly what I am referencing.  It seems OTD went to great lengths to create as many cuts as possible to isolate the plate and case.  I would also assume that it makes each row of keys sound and feel more consistent with one another.
Title: Re: [IC] Noxary 280 & 220
Post by: crtexcnndrm99 on Fri, 13 April 2018, 23:41:39
No problem!
I am also curious in extra relief cuts immediately above/below the mount points of the plate itself.  I've seen a few OTD boards that have implemented this and it seemed interesting...Either way I'd like to get a 2 series and 3 series if anything for the sake of comparison.  Great work!  It's really refreshing to see someone thinking critically about these things.

Ah like on the 456GT?

I can't believe I completely missed that.

Yup, that's now another thing on my list to try. Thanks!! :))

Very interested in these plate cuts and other revisions to mounting etc. - this is what I'm looking for in new designs these days :thumb:

What's the point if I'm not ;D

You know it :thumb:

And while we're drawing inspiration from OTD, how about a 360c 'xondat 200
Title: Re: [IC] Noxary 280 & 220
Post by: xondat on Sat, 14 April 2018, 10:55:58
Yes, the 456gt is exactly what I am referencing.  It seems OTD went to great lengths to create as many cuts as possible to isolate the plate and case.  I would also assume that it makes each row of keys sound and feel more consistent with one another.

I'd assume the same but only one way to find out ^-^

You know it :thumb:

And while we're drawing inspiration from OTD, how about a 360c 'xondat 200
  • ' series logo above the nav arrows? ;)
(https://i.imgur.com/zqi7DMP.png)

Already a step ahead there :p
Title: Re: [IC] Noxary 280 & 220
Post by: LightningXI on Sat, 14 April 2018, 11:09:06
Yes, the 456gt is exactly what I am referencing.  It seems OTD went to great lengths to create as many cuts as possible to isolate the plate and case.  I would also assume that it makes each row of keys sound and feel more consistent with one another.

I'd assume the same but only one way to find out ^-^

You know it :thumb:

And while we're drawing inspiration from OTD, how about a 360c 'xondat 200
  • ' series logo above the nav arrows? ;)
Show Image
(https://i.imgur.com/zqi7DMP.png)


Already a step ahead there
Definitely number only. I don't think a logo would look good there imo

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Title: Re: [IC] Noxary 280 & 220
Post by: Wetherbee on Sat, 14 April 2018, 21:10:09
Already a step ahead there :p

Oh no  :(
Title: Re: [IC] Noxary 280 & 220
Post by: xondat on Sat, 14 April 2018, 22:02:27
Don't worry, it's not actually happening :cool:
Title: Re: [IC] Noxary 280 & 220 (4/15 - Pricing Update)
Post by: xondat on Sat, 14 April 2018, 22:43:16
Right. Pricing time.

Good news is also bad news.

The good news is that the initial fall of in price is pretty low (from 1 pcs to 30 pcs). The bad news is that there aren't any price breaks afterwards.

I was hoping that the price would fall off, but I think it's less than a $8 difference between 30 and 100. The quotes are what they are, and we'll have to roll with that.

The main culprit here is the massive brass weight. It'd be 30% cheaper without it, and it's seriously making me consider doing a lightweight version that's drops the weight.

Now, without rambling too much, prices:

280/280 S
220/220 S
I'll get a list up tomorrow of all the options and spec details. Small spoiler; currently got 11 280 plate options :confused:

I hope I still have everyone's support, I guess this is what happens when you refuse to compromise on a design :))
Title: Re: [IC] Noxary 280 & 220 (4/15 - Pricing Update)
Post by: Captain Shwah on Sat, 14 April 2018, 23:04:12
I hope I still have everyone's support, I guess this is what happens when you refuse to compromise on a design :))

Most definitely and I wouldn't have it any other way :thumb:
Title: Re: [IC] Noxary 280 & 220 (4/15 - Pricing Update)
Post by: Puddsy on Sat, 14 April 2018, 23:06:16
280 superleggera when

or i guess if you want to stay with the 911 theme, 280RS when
Title: Re: [IC] Noxary 280 & 220 (4/15 - Pricing Update)
Post by: Jhors2 on Sun, 15 April 2018, 00:32:45
More weight is more better.  I'm really curious what the effect of the weight + 5mm brass plate will be.  Either way the pricing for this seems quite reasonable considering the fact that it looks top tier.
Title: Re: [IC] Noxary 280 & 220 (4/15 - Pricing Update)
Post by: crtexcnndrm99 on Mon, 16 April 2018, 02:39:04
Yes, the 456gt is exactly what I am referencing.  It seems OTD went to great lengths to create as many cuts as possible to isolate the plate and case.  I would also assume that it makes each row of keys sound and feel more consistent with one another.

I'd assume the same but only one way to find out ^-^

You know it :thumb:

And while we're drawing inspiration from OTD, how about a 360c 'xondat 200
  • ' series logo above the nav arrows? ;)
Show Image
(https://i.imgur.com/zqi7DMP.png)


Already a step ahead there :p
This guy. Too good :p


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Title: Re: [IC] Noxary 280 & 220 (4/15 - Pricing Update)
Post by: crtexcnndrm99 on Mon, 16 April 2018, 02:39:26
Don't worry, it's not actually happening :cool:
.. rip


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Title: Re: [IC] Noxary 280 & 220 (4/15 - Pricing Update)
Post by: crtexcnndrm99 on Mon, 16 April 2018, 02:43:42


The main culprit here is the massive brass weight. It'd be 30% cheaper without it, and it's seriously making me consider doing a lightweight version that's drops the weight.


I’d consider buying without weight and running the brass weight later so it’s less of an upfront cost. But I’m just bad at commitments so that’s just me :sigh:


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Title: Re: [IC] Noxary 280 & 220 (4/15 - Pricing Update)
Post by: phorx on Mon, 16 April 2018, 13:40:45
I'll be in for the 5mm brass plate option... I wonder if it will have enough of a weight difference to change shipping costs...  Oh well, it's only money right?
Title: Re: [IC] Noxary 280 & 220 (4/15 - Pricing Update)
Post by: xondat on Mon, 16 April 2018, 14:23:43
This guy. Too good :p

.. rip

The highs and lows :))

I’d consider buying without weight and running the brass weight later so it’s less of an upfront cost. But I’m just bad at commitments so that’s just me :sigh:

I mean to get rid of the weight entirely, including the hole for the weight.

I'll be in for the 5mm brass plate option... I wonder if it will have enough of a weight difference to change shipping costs...  Oh well, it's only money right?

Good point, maybe. I think it'll take it from 2.4kg to 3.2kg. It won't be much of an increase, maybe $3-5 if so.



By the way, regarding red only aluminum plates, I forgot that red won't really work with Cyan/Pink, so going to offer silver too :thumb:
Title: Re: [IC] Noxary 280 & 220 (4/15 - Pricing Update)
Post by: xondat on Tue, 17 April 2018, 08:30:29
Here are the current plates I'm working with... I need to cut some, what goes? :p
(https://i.imgur.com/QtxlIJk.png)

I (rather annoyingly) can justify every single option, but I am thinking of cutting a few if they go unmentioned. I think 7-8 options would be best.
Title: Re: [IC] Noxary 280 & 220 (4/15 - Pricing Update)
Post by: LightningXI on Tue, 17 April 2018, 08:37:42


Here are the current plates I'm working with... I need to cut some, what goes?
  • Fixed Red Aluminum
  • Fixed Silver Aluminum
  • Fixed Brass
  • Fixed Polycarbonate
  • Universal Red Aluminum
  • Universal Silver Aluminum
  • Universal Brass
  • Universal Polycarbonate
  • Partial Red Aluminum
  • Partial Silver Aluminum
  • Partial Polycarbonate
  • 5mm Red Aluminum
  • 5mm Silver Aluminum
  • 5mm Brass
  • 5mm Polycarbonate
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(https://i.imgur.com/Sn5dgRH.png)


I (rather annoyingly) can justify every single option, but I am thinking of cutting a few if they go unmentioned. I think 7-8 options would be best.

Fixed brass
Fixed PC
Universal alu silver
Universal brass
Partial poly
5mm red alu
5mm brass
5mm poly

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Title: Re: [IC] Noxary 280 & 220 (4/15 - Pricing Update)
Post by: Choppersuey on Tue, 17 April 2018, 08:45:22
You could make a google form with these options and allow like max. 2 picks and the 7-8 plates with the most votes will be offered.

Also, what about steel?  :))
Title: Re: [IC] Noxary 280 & 220 (4/17 - Plate Update)
Post by: xondat on Tue, 17 April 2018, 08:52:58
You could make a google form with these options and allow like max. 2 picks and the 7-8 plates with the most votes will be offered.

Also, what about steel?  :))

There's nothing better than votes :))

Steel feels awful, so no, sorry!




PLEASE CHOOSE WHICH PLATES YOU'LL GET! (https://goo.gl/forms/PjBR7K0l0yh6zjvx1)
Title: Re: [IC] Noxary 280 & 220 (4/17 - Plate Update)
Post by: LightningXI on Tue, 17 April 2018, 09:01:54


Steel feels awful, so no, sorry!


 I like steel :(


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Title: Re: [IC] Noxary 280 & 220 (4/15 - Pricing Update)
Post by: Choppersuey on Tue, 17 April 2018, 09:02:42
Steel feels awful, so no, sorry!
I see, no worries, brass is fine, too  :)
Title: Re: [IC] Noxary 280 & 220 (4/17 - Plate Update)
Post by: phorx on Tue, 17 April 2018, 09:15:50
Yikes, that's a lot of choices...  Is there somewhere I can read about the different characteristics ( pros/cons ) of the different plate materials?
Title: Re: [IC] Noxary 280 & 220 (4/17 - Plate Update)
Post by: xondat on Tue, 17 April 2018, 09:23:57
Yikes, that's a lot of choices...  Is there somewhere I can read about the different characteristics ( pros/cons ) of the different plate materials?

I can only go from my typing experiences with 268 but:
It's hard finding the right words to describe the feelings.

No one has given their opinion on 5mm plates, so anything said will be guess work until I get the samples.
Title: Re: [IC] Noxary 280 & 220 (4/17 - Plate Update)
Post by: crtexcnndrm99 on Tue, 17 April 2018, 15:16:43
I feel that you’d only need one 5mm option, say brass, because it is primarily for maximising weight and rigidity, right?

As for me, a fixed poly plate is all I need :D
Title: Re: [IC] Noxary 280 & 220 (4/17 - Plate Update)
Post by: xondat on Tue, 17 April 2018, 15:39:01
I feel that you’d only need one 5mm option, say brass, because it is primarily for maximising weight and rigidity, right?

As for me, a fixed poly plate is all I need :D

No idea.

Polycarbonate is the best since it's beautiful :p
Title: Re: [IC] Noxary 280 & 220 (4/17 - Plate Update)
Post by: megaforce on Tue, 17 April 2018, 16:32:38
fixed 5mm brass pls
Title: Re: [IC] Noxary 280 & 220 (4/17 - Plate Update)
Post by: futurecrime on Tue, 17 April 2018, 17:01:23
fixed 5mm brass pls

+1
Title: Re: [IC] Noxary 280 & 220 (4/17 - Plate Update)
Post by: crtexcnndrm99 on Tue, 17 April 2018, 17:52:51
I feel that you’d only need one 5mm option, say brass, because it is primarily for maximising weight and rigidity, right?

As for me, a fixed poly plate is all I need :D

No idea.

Polycarbonate is the best since it's beautiful :p
Polycarbonate is the best full stop :p
Title: Re: [IC] Noxary 280 & 220 (4/17 - Plate Update)
Post by: wholypantalones on Tue, 17 April 2018, 20:09:19
I'm liking brass these days, aluminium is good too.
Title: Re: [IC] Noxary 280 & 220 (4/15 - Pricing Update)
Post by: xondat on Tue, 17 April 2018, 20:58:08
Here are the current plates I'm working with... I need to cut some, what goes? :p
  • Fixed Red Aluminum
  • Fixed Silver Aluminum
  • Fixed Brass
  • Fixed Polycarbonate
  • Universal Red Aluminum
  • Universal Silver Aluminum
  • Universal Brass
  • Universal Polycarbonate
  • Partial Red Aluminum
  • Partial Silver Aluminum
  • Partial Polycarbonate
  • 5mm Red Aluminum
  • 5mm Silver Aluminum
  • 5mm Brass
  • 5mm Polycarbonate
Show Image
(https://i.imgur.com/QtxlIJk.png)


I (rather annoyingly) can justify every single option, but I am thinking of cutting a few if they go unmentioned. I think 7-8 options would be best.

I think we're down to 7.
Based on the form and logic, I think these may be the 7 available.
Title: Re: [IC] Noxary 280 & 220 (4/15 - Pricing Update)
Post by: amnesia0287 on Tue, 17 April 2018, 21:09:19
Here are the current plates I'm working with... I need to cut some, what goes? :p
  • Fixed Red Aluminum
  • Fixed Silver Aluminum
  • Fixed Brass
  • Fixed Polycarbonate
  • Universal Red Aluminum
  • Universal Silver Aluminum
  • Universal Brass
  • Universal Polycarbonate
  • Partial Red Aluminum
  • Partial Silver Aluminum
  • Partial Polycarbonate
  • 5mm Red Aluminum
  • 5mm Silver Aluminum
  • 5mm Brass
  • 5mm Polycarbonate
Show Image
(https://i.imgur.com/QtxlIJk.png)


I (rather annoyingly) can justify every single option, but I am thinking of cutting a few if they go unmentioned. I think 7-8 options would be best.

I think we're down to 7.
  • Fixed Red Aluminum
  • Fixed Brass
  • Fixed Polycarbonate
  • Universal Brass
  • Partial Polycarbonate
  • 5mm Brass
  • 5mm Polycarbonate
Based on the form and logic, I think these may be the 7 available.

No universal alu :O. Thats a bummer as I love alu plates most.

I really wish there were more with the layout support of the 5mm. I don't think I can deal with anything that doesn't support split right shift, and I greatly prefer full touch caps for ctrl. Now i dunno what to do since the only brass plate is the one I'd never user.

The main advantage of the 5mm plate support is that you don't really see anything visibly different from offering split backspace or right shift, i guess you MIGHT be able to see that it supports both caps, but for the most part the look when assembled into the same layout as fixed should be identical. No massive iso gaps and stuff.
Title: Re: [IC] Noxary 280 & 220 (4/15 - Pricing Update)
Post by: Pwner on Wed, 18 April 2018, 05:12:48
I really wish there were more with the layout support of the 5mm. I don't think I can deal with anything that doesn't support split right shift, and I greatly prefer full touch caps for ctrl. Now i dunno what to do since the only brass plate is the one I'd never user.

5mm supports split right shift and both caps options.
Title: Re: [IC] Noxary 280 & 220 (4/15 - Pricing Update)
Post by: xondat on Wed, 18 April 2018, 13:12:14
280/280 S/280 T
220/220 S
* Price may come down, quotes pending.

Should be it for changes. Hopefully it's a straight line to the start now :p
Title: Re: [IC] Noxary 280 & 220 (4/15 - Pricing Update)
Post by: crtexcnndrm99 on Wed, 18 April 2018, 15:17:06
280/280 S/280 T
  • Case - $365
  • PCBs - $35
  • Fixed Red Aluminum - $35
  • Fixed Brass - $35
  • Universal Brass - $35
  • Partial Polycarbonate - $60
  • 5mm Brass - $120*
  • 5mm Polycarbonate - $85
220/220 S
  • Case - $160
  • PCBs - $25
  • Universal Brass - $25
* Price may come down, quotes pending.

Should be it for changes. Hopefully it's a straight line to the start now :p

Where'd fixed poly plate go  :eek:
Title: Re: [IC] Noxary 280 & 220 (4/15 - Pricing Update)
Post by: xondat on Wed, 18 April 2018, 15:21:08
280/280 S/280 T
  • Case - $365
  • PCBs - $35
  • Fixed Red Aluminum - $35
  • Fixed Brass - $35
  • Universal Brass - $35
  • Partial Polycarbonate - $60
  • 5mm Brass - $120*
  • 5mm Polycarbonate - $85
220/220 S
  • Case - $160
  • PCBs - $25
  • Universal Brass - $25
* Price may come down, quotes pending.

Should be it for changes. Hopefully it's a straight line to the start now :p

Where'd fixed poly plate go  :eek:

I doubt it'd 1) hit MOQ, and 2) especially at $75 :(
Title: Re: [IC] Noxary 280 & 220 (4/17 - Plate Update)
Post by: crtexcnndrm99 on Wed, 18 April 2018, 16:02:52
280/280 S/280 T
  • Case - $365
  • PCBs - $35
  • Fixed Red Aluminum - $35
  • Fixed Brass - $35
  • Universal Brass - $35
  • Partial Polycarbonate - $60
  • 5mm Brass - $120*
  • 5mm Polycarbonate - $85
220/220 S
  • Case - $160
  • PCBs - $25
  • Universal Brass - $25
* Price may come down, quotes pending.

Should be it for changes. Hopefully it's a straight line to the start now :p

Where'd fixed poly plate go  :eek:

I doubt it'd 1) hit MOQ, and 2) especially at $75 :(
:( I think you’re right. But also, $75?? Whew lad.


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Title: Re: [IC] Noxary 280 & 220 (4/17 - Plate Update)
Post by: xondat on Wed, 18 April 2018, 16:13:40
280/280 S/280 T
  • Case - $365
  • PCBs - $35
  • Fixed Red Aluminum - $35
  • Fixed Brass - $35
  • Universal Brass - $35
  • Partial Polycarbonate - $60
  • 5mm Brass - $120*
  • 5mm Polycarbonate - $85
220/220 S
  • Case - $160
  • PCBs - $25
  • Universal Brass - $25
* Price may come down, quotes pending.

Should be it for changes. Hopefully it's a straight line to the start now :p

Where'd fixed poly plate go  :eek:

I doubt it'd 1) hit MOQ, and 2) especially at $75 :(

:( I think you’re right. But also, $75?? Whew lad.

Yeah it sucks. CNC + UV coating + complex switch cutouts = death.
Title: Re: [IC] Noxary 280 & 220 (4/17 - Plate Update)
Post by: Jedi on Wed, 18 April 2018, 23:44:20
Dumb question but is the 5mm plate interchangeable with say the fixed red aluminum?
Title: Re: [IC] Noxary 280 & 220 (4/17 - Plate Update)
Post by: Choppersuey on Thu, 19 April 2018, 06:11:27
Since you're shipping from the UK: there won't be any import taxes within the EU (or specifically Germany), right?
Title: Re: [IC] Noxary 280 & 220 (4/17 - Plate Update)
Post by: hansichen on Thu, 19 April 2018, 07:16:51
That depends on how fast this GB is fulfilled and if there are other weird decisions by the UK government
Title: Re: [IC] Noxary 280 & 220 (4/17 - Plate Update)
Post by: Oblotzky on Thu, 19 April 2018, 07:51:03
That depends on how fast this GB is fulfilled and if there are other weird decisions by the UK government

This. As long as they don't Brexit before fulfillment, you're looking at paying postage only.
Title: Re: [IC] Noxary 280 & 220 (4/17 - Plate Update)
Post by: Choppersuey on Thu, 19 April 2018, 08:17:40
That depends on how fast this GB is fulfilled and if there are other weird decisions by the UK government
This. As long as they don't Brexit before fulfillment, you're looking at paying postage only.
I see, thx both  :thumb:

Edit: @xondat
Ah, got it, thx for explaining. Hope it's the latter
Title: Re: [IC] Noxary 280 & 220 (4/17 - Plate Update)
Post by: xondat on Thu, 19 April 2018, 11:39:16
Dumb question but is the 5mm plate interchangeable with say the fixed red aluminum?

All plates are exchangeable and work with the same chassis.

Since you're shipping from the UK: there won't be any import taxes within the EU (or specifically Germany), right?

Not sure at the minute.

If the parts are declared full value, then they'll be made VAT exempt as I'm reshipping (in short terms), and any custom charges will be independent to each package.

If they aren't, and they're low enough to not make a fuss, then it'll save us all money (apart from me, but I could work this into overall costs, not sure).
Title: Re: [IC] Noxary 280 & 220 (4/17 - Plate Update)
Post by: p_blaze on Mon, 23 April 2018, 20:58:09
Any updates? I can't wait to see the prototype :D
Title: Re: [IC] Noxary 280 & 220 (4/17 - Plate Update)
Post by: xondat on Mon, 23 April 2018, 21:48:11
Any updates? I can't wait to see the prototype :D

Well I sent the files over to the middleman to place the order on the 9th of April, and I haven’t had confirmation (or communication really). I’m pretty much in the dark right now.

If I don’t see any progress then I’ll have to go direct.
Title: Re: [IC] Noxary 280 & 220 (4/25 - Samples Ordered)
Post by: xondat on Wed, 25 April 2018, 08:30:55
Samples ordered last night. Estimate was 10 days, will get a solid date in the coming days.

Also got a special thing on the way that'll be a surprise :p
Title: Re: [IC] Noxary 280 & 220 (4/25 - Samples Ordered)
Post by: itskuroi on Wed, 25 April 2018, 10:13:58
need 280s for cerakote white pls ahhh.
Title: Re: [IC] Noxary 280 & 220 (4/25 - Samples Ordered)
Post by: lunr on Thu, 26 April 2018, 13:48:24
No other plate option for 220/220 S?
Title: Re: [IC] Noxary 280 & 220 (4/25 - Samples Ordered)
Post by: xondat on Thu, 26 April 2018, 14:53:01
No other plate option for 220/220 S?

Still considering it.

It would be hard to meet sufficient numbers when there are considerably less cases.
Title: Re: [IC] Noxary 280 & 220 (4/25 - Samples Ordered)
Post by: maxf on Sun, 29 April 2018, 18:45:55
looks soooo good!
Title: Re: [IC] Noxary 280 & 220 (4/25 - Samples Ordered)
Post by: Etherealsound on Wed, 02 May 2018, 08:53:23
So has the aluminum type being used for this project been finalized? Crossing my fingers for the option to have 7075.
Title: Re: [IC] Noxary 280 & 220 (4/25 - Samples Ordered)
Post by: Captainbuttmonkey on Wed, 02 May 2018, 14:06:49
That depends on how fast this GB is fulfilled and if there are other weird decisions by the UK government

This. As long as they don't Brexit before fulfillment, you're looking at paying postage only.

That depends on how fast this GB is fulfilled and if there are other weird decisions by the UK government

Actually that's not quite correct, currently a 'transition period' of 21 months from 29th March 2019 has been agreed whereby businesses/people/etc have time to prepare for new rules between the UK and EU to begin whilst all current laws/agreements stay the same as they are currently. Of course this could all change, though I would suggest if it does it will only be extended.

TL;DR: I wouldn't worry about import costs UK>EU until 1st Jan 2021 at the very earliest. More than likely it will get pushed back as a result of government cluelessness/incompetence. Hey if we are really lucky who knows, it may never happen!
Title: Re: [IC] Noxary 280 & 220 (4/25 - Samples Ordered)
Post by: xondat on Wed, 02 May 2018, 14:08:05
So has the aluminum type being used for this project been finalized? Crossing my fingers for the option to have 7075.

6061, but if you and a few others really want it, happy to try other alloys.
Title: Re: [IC] Noxary 280 & 220 (4/25 - Samples Ordered)
Post by: clasicks on Wed, 02 May 2018, 14:11:41
So has the aluminum type being used for this project been finalized? Crossing my fingers for the option to have 7075.

6061, but if you and a few others really want it, happy to try other alloys.

Isn't there a healthy price difference in material costs and mfg process with the harder alloy?

6061 is a perfectly good mix for our purposes.
Title: Re: [IC] Noxary 280 & 220 (4/25 - Samples Ordered)
Post by: xondat on Wed, 02 May 2018, 14:22:35
So has the aluminum type being used for this project been finalized? Crossing my fingers for the option to have 7075.

6061, but if you and a few others really want it, happy to try other alloys.

Isn't there a healthy price difference in material costs and mfg process with the harder alloy?

6061 is a perfectly good mix for our purposes.

Yeah 6061 is absolutely fine for this use, but happy to offer more bespoke options for the people that want something different :p
Title: Re: [IC] Noxary 280 & 220 (4/25 - Samples Ordered)
Post by: p_blaze on Wed, 02 May 2018, 18:08:22
So has the aluminum type being used for this project been finalized? Crossing my fingers for the option to have 7075.

6061, but if you and a few others really want it, happy to try other alloys.

Isn't there a healthy price difference in material costs and mfg process with the harder alloy?

6061 is a perfectly good mix for our purposes.

Yeah 6061 is absolutely fine for this use, but happy to offer more bespoke options for the people that want something different :p
I'd be down if we can get good colors and the price isnt crazy
Title: Re: [IC] Noxary 280 & 220 (4/25 - Samples Ordered)
Post by: xondat on Wed, 02 May 2018, 18:13:48
If say 5 people wanted 7075, and they're all the same color, I'm happy to make it happen.

Basically, as long as the effort isn't wasted, it's fine.
Title: Re: [IC] Noxary 280 & 220 (4/25 - Samples Ordered)
Post by: Oblotzky on Wed, 02 May 2018, 18:18:14
If say 5 people wanted 7075, and they're all the same color, I'm happy to make it happen.

Basically, as long as the effort isn't wasted, it's fine.

Looking for 4 fellow people who want 6063 in dark gray  :cool:
Title: Re: [IC] Noxary 280 & 220 (4/25 - Samples Ordered)
Post by: p_blaze on Wed, 02 May 2018, 18:45:01
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Title: Re: [IC] Noxary 280 & 220 (4/25 - Samples Ordered)
Post by: kevinzavier on Wed, 02 May 2018, 18:53:49
If say 5 people wanted 7075, and they're all the same color, I'm happy to make it happen.

Basically, as long as the effort isn't wasted, it's fine.

Looking for 4 fellow people who want 6063 in dark gray  :cool:

Do you mean 7075 in dark gray haha?
Title: Re: [IC] Noxary 280 & 220 (4/25 - Samples Ordered)
Post by: kevinzavier on Wed, 02 May 2018, 18:56:07
Oh nvmd, no idea what 6063 is
Title: Re: [IC] Noxary 280 & 220 (4/25 - Samples Ordered)
Post by: p_blaze on Wed, 02 May 2018, 19:06:33
I just saw the Cinque in the project page, those bezels are perfect
I think I'm going to wait for that, so sorry if I don't jump on the 280 xondat :-[

Title: Re: [IC] Noxary 280 & 220 (4/25 - Samples Ordered)
Post by: xondat on Wed, 02 May 2018, 19:19:24
I just saw the Cinque in the project page, those bezels are perfect
I think I'm going to wait for that, so sorry if I don't jump on the 280 xondat :-[

That probably won't even be this year :'(
Title: Re: [IC] Noxary 280 & 220 (4/25 - Samples Ordered)
Post by: p_blaze on Wed, 02 May 2018, 20:44:34
I just saw the Cinque in the project page, those bezels are perfect
I think I'm going to wait for that, so sorry if I don't jump on the 280 xondat :-[

That probably won't even be this year :'(

:'(
I love the design though; this is something I'd wait a year for especially with the quality of the 268. The layout with arrow keys stepped in and blocker above the right arrow key is one of my ultimate keyboard fetishes, and the only thing I would personally change is to block off the 2 keys in the row above the top arrow key like a TKL (would be awesome as an option in the eventual GB or something).
All said, this is as endgame as it gets for me, so I might as well wait for it ;D
Title: Re: [IC] Noxary 280 & 220 (4/25 - Samples Ordered)
Post by: xondat on Wed, 02 May 2018, 21:07:39
I just saw the Cinque in the project page, those bezels are perfect
I think I'm going to wait for that, so sorry if I don't jump on the 280 xondat :-[

That probably won't even be this year :'(

:'(
I love the design though; this is something I'd wait a year for especially with the quality of the 268. The layout with arrow keys stepped in and blocker above the right arrow key is one of my ultimate keyboard fetishes, and the only thing I would personally change is to block off the 2 keys in the row above the top arrow key like a TKL (would be awesome as an option in the eventual GB or something).
All said, this is as endgame as it gets for me, so I might as well wait for it ;D

Well I won't spoil too much, but it'll likely be a one layout deal as it is a modernized G80-5000.

Still figuring out what to use instead of the original bottom row, it's impossible to source 3.5u Cherry spacebars :(
Title: Re: [IC] Noxary 280 & 220 (4/25 - Samples Ordered)
Post by: p_blaze on Wed, 02 May 2018, 21:58:59
I just saw the Cinque in the project page, those bezels are perfect
I think I'm going to wait for that, so sorry if I don't jump on the 280 xondat :-[

That probably won't even be this year :'(

:'(
I love the design though; this is something I'd wait a year for especially with the quality of the 268. The layout with arrow keys stepped in and blocker above the right arrow key is one of my ultimate keyboard fetishes, and the only thing I would personally change is to block off the 2 keys in the row above the top arrow key like a TKL (would be awesome as an option in the eventual GB or something).
All said, this is as endgame as it gets for me, so I might as well wait for it ;D

Well I won't spoil too much, but it'll likely be a one layout deal as it is a modernized G80-5000.

Still figuring out what to use instead of the original bottom row, it's impossible to source 3.5u Cherry spacebars :(

Split the spacebar? Blockers might be a cool way to solve the issue as well if shortening the spacebar isn't a problem, but I'm a blocker fanatic so take it with a grain of salt :P
Title: Re: [IC] Noxary 280 & 220 (4/25 - Samples Ordered)
Post by: crtexcnndrm99 on Thu, 03 May 2018, 02:48:19

Well I won't spoil too much, but it'll likely be a one layout deal as it is a modernized G80-5000.

Ummm. Mr Xondat would you please stop reading my mind.

Sincerely,
Someone who doesn’t want to buy kustom boards anymore

.

But for real, I haven’t seen that post! G80-5k is the be-all end-all in my eyes (note: my flair..), if you’re working on that layout my interest is more than piqued :o
Title: Re: [IC] Noxary 280 & 220 (4/25 - Samples Ordered)
Post by: Etherealsound on Thu, 03 May 2018, 13:37:59
If say 5 people wanted 7075, and they're all the same color, I'm happy to make it happen.

Basically, as long as the effort isn't wasted, it's fine.

Lf> 5 people who are in for silver 7075  :))
Title: Re: [IC] Noxary 280 & 220 (4/25 - Samples Ordered)
Post by: phorx on Thu, 03 May 2018, 13:47:31
If say 5 people wanted 7075, and they're all the same color, I'm happy to make it happen.

Basically, as long as the effort isn't wasted, it's fine.

Lf> 5 people who are in for silver 7075  :))

I don't think you can get 7075 in silver
Title: Re: [IC] Noxary 280 & 220 (4/25 - Samples Ordered)
Post by: SpectreiiI on Thu, 03 May 2018, 14:45:55
Err, I was wanting white cerakote, but now I'm thinking more dark grey 7075 special edition with 5mm plate.
Title: Re: [IC] Noxary 280 & 220 (4/25 - Samples Ordered)
Post by: Etherealsound on Fri, 04 May 2018, 01:36:30
If say 5 people wanted 7075, and they're all the same color, I'm happy to make it happen.

Basically, as long as the effort isn't wasted, it's fine.

Lf> 5 people who are in for silver 7075  :))

I don't think you can get 7075 in silver
Pretty sure you can. They did it with TGR Jane, Mira SE, OTD 356cl

Sent from my ASUS_Z012DA using Tapatalk

Title: Re: [IC] Noxary 280 & 220 (4/25 - Samples Ordered)
Post by: keebweeb on Fri, 04 May 2018, 11:22:45
You can definitely get 7075 in silver as long as the anodized layer is thin enough, the iphone 6s did it but google tells me it's aluminum oxide layer was only about 10 microns thick (likely to cut costs).

I would totally be in if 7075 does happen as long as the price isn't too crazy, dark grey would be my preferred colour but silver is fine too.
Title: Re: [IC] Noxary 280 & 220 (4/25 - Samples Ordered)
Post by: xondat on Fri, 04 May 2018, 20:47:17
I'll ask what's possible with 7075 soon.

Anyone down to try 5 series? ;)
Title: Re: [IC] Noxary 280 & 220 (4/25 - Samples Ordered)
Post by: p_blaze on Fri, 04 May 2018, 21:17:10
I'll ask what's possible with 7075 soon.

Anyone down to try 5 series? ;)

Yo that is spicy
I'm really looking forward to the results of this GB, it will definitely help me narrow down an endgame
Title: Re: [IC] Noxary 280 & 220 (4/25 - Samples Ordered)
Post by: Puddsy on Fri, 04 May 2018, 21:40:57
I'll ask what's possible with 7075 soon.

Anyone down to try 5 series? ;)

china hates it but everyone else loves it
Title: Re: [IC] Noxary 280 & 220 (4/25 - Samples Ordered)
Post by: Jhors2 on Sat, 05 May 2018, 00:37:23
I'd be up for 7075 as well.
Title: Re: [IC] Noxary 280 & 220 (4/25 - Samples Ordered)
Post by: foxmancore on Sat, 05 May 2018, 02:14:57
In for 7075
Title: Re: [IC] Noxary 280 & 220 (4/25 - Samples Ordered)
Post by: soba on Sat, 05 May 2018, 02:18:47
Interest for 7075, but depend on price :-X
Title: Re: [IC] Noxary 280 & 220 (4/25 - Samples Ordered)
Post by: StrangPrisoner on Sat, 05 May 2018, 17:30:49
Checking in for 7075
Title: Re: [IC] Noxary 280 & 220 (4/25 - Samples Ordered)
Post by: Etherealsound on Sat, 05 May 2018, 20:44:51
You can definitely get 7075 in silver as long as the anodized layer is thin enough, the iphone 6s did it but google tells me it's aluminum oxide layer was only about 10 microns thick (likely to cut costs).

I would totally be in if 7075 does happen as long as the price isn't too crazy, dark grey would be my preferred colour but silver is fine too.

Ah, is that the case. Well, I'd still prefer silver but if it be in for a grey, red or grey/blue as well.
Title: Re: [IC] Noxary 280 & 220 (4/25 - Samples Ordered)
Post by: oh_chesteroni on Sat, 05 May 2018, 22:18:51
I know nothing about metal, what's so special about 7075? More scratch resistant? Heavier?
Title: Re: [IC] Noxary 280 & 220 (4/25 - Samples Ordered)
Post by: xondat on Sat, 05 May 2018, 22:22:09
I know nothing about metal, what's so special about 7075? More scratch resistant? Heavier?

From my limited knowledge, I think it anodizes better, but it's more expensive.

I'll have to ask the factory :p
Title: Re: [IC] Noxary 280 & 220 (4/25 - Samples Ordered)
Post by: Remsky on Sat, 05 May 2018, 22:28:55
I know nothing about metal, what's so special about 7075? More scratch resistant? Heavier?
7k series alu is most often used and anodized for the automotive industry because of its strength compared to other aluminum series. 6k series aluminum like 6061 hard anodize really well and 6063 is the go to alloy for cosmetic anodizing. Both series can anodize well, but 7k series has more problems than 6k due to how much zinc is used in the alloy. More zinc means a more brown-like coating.
Title: Re: [IC] Noxary 280 & 220 (4/25 - Samples Ordered)
Post by: oh_chesteroni on Sat, 05 May 2018, 22:32:49
I know nothing about metal, what's so special about 7075? More scratch resistant? Heavier?
7k series alu is most often used and anodized for the automotive industry because of its strength compared to other aluminum series. 6k series aluminum like 6061 hard anodize really well and 6063 is the go to alloy for cosmetic anodizing. Both series can anodize well, but 7k series has more problems than 6k due to how much zinc is used in the alloy. More zinc means a more brown-like coating.
So 7075 is worse for anodizing? Why is everyone interested in it then? Btw, not trying to be critical or anything, just trying to learn :)
Title: Re: [IC] Noxary 280 & 220 (4/25 - Samples Ordered)
Post by: Remsky on Sat, 05 May 2018, 22:42:38
I know nothing about metal, what's so special about 7075? More scratch resistant? Heavier?
7k series alu is most often used and anodized for the automotive industry because of its strength compared to other aluminum series. 6k series aluminum like 6061 hard anodize really well and 6063 is the go to alloy for cosmetic anodizing. Both series can anodize well, but 7k series has more problems than 6k due to how much zinc is used in the alloy. More zinc means a more brown-like coating.
So 7075 is worse for anodizing? Why is everyone interested in it then? Btw, not trying to be critical or anything, just trying to learn :)
Its not necessarily worse, its just that the alloy can be harder to work with. There is a noticeable difference between anodized 7075 aluminum and 6061/3 aluminum. A lot of automotive parts that are anodized are made from 7k series aluminum, if you want an example of how it looks.
Title: Re: [IC] Noxary 280 & 220 (4/25 - Samples Ordered)
Post by: superdoedoe on Sat, 05 May 2018, 22:59:42
sign me up bb
Title: Re: [IC] Noxary 280 & 220 (4/25 - Samples Ordered)
Post by: p_blaze on Sun, 06 May 2018, 00:03:17
I know nothing about metal, what's so special about 7075? More scratch resistant? Heavier?
7k series alu is most often used and anodized for the automotive industry because of its strength compared to other aluminum series. 6k series aluminum like 6061 hard anodize really well and 6063 is the go to alloy for cosmetic anodizing. Both series can anodize well, but 7k series has more problems than 6k due to how much zinc is used in the alloy. More zinc means a more brown-like coating.
So 7075 is worse for anodizing? Why is everyone interested in it then? Btw, not trying to be critical or anything, just trying to learn :)
Its not necessarily worse, its just that the alloy can be harder to work with. There is a noticeable difference between anodized 7075 aluminum and 6061/3 aluminum. A lot of automotive parts that are anodized are made from 7k series aluminum, if you want an example of how it looks.

Here's a post showing the differences. You can see 7075 with a brownish/broze tint. IMO, 7075 has a smoother look to it and gives a better aesthetic despite being more difficult to anodize. This gives rise to an issue with the top case not being the exact same color as the bottom case due to the difficulty in anodizing. Xondat is manufacturing at a very good factory, so it can be assumed that they will be able to properly anodize 7075, but this would not be an option in many other factories.

https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=76672.msg1920149#msg1920149
Title: Re: [IC] Noxary 280 & 220 (4/25 - Samples Ordered)
Post by: oh_chesteroni on Sun, 06 May 2018, 00:11:37
I know nothing about metal, what's so special about 7075? More scratch resistant? Heavier?
7k series alu is most often used and anodized for the automotive industry because of its strength compared to other aluminum series. 6k series aluminum like 6061 hard anodize really well and 6063 is the go to alloy for cosmetic anodizing. Both series can anodize well, but 7k series has more problems than 6k due to how much zinc is used in the alloy. More zinc means a more brown-like coating.
So 7075 is worse for anodizing? Why is everyone interested in it then? Btw, not trying to be critical or anything, just trying to learn :)
Its not necessarily worse, its just that the alloy can be harder to work with. There is a noticeable difference between anodized 7075 aluminum and 6061/3 aluminum. A lot of automotive parts that are anodized are made from 7k series aluminum, if you want an example of how it looks.

Here's a post showing the differences. You can see 7075 with a brownish/broze tint. IMO, 7075 has a smoother look to it and gives a better aesthetic despite being more difficult to anodize. This gives rise to an issue with the top case not being the exact same color as the bottom case due to the difficulty in anodizing. Xondat is manufacturing at a very good factory, so it can be assumed that they will be able to properly anodize 7075, but this would not be an option in many other factories.

https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=76672.msg1920149#msg1920149
Thanks for digging this up! The post was extremely informative, and I can definitely tell the difference in smoothness of the ano between 7075 and 6061.

It will be interesting to see if 7075 will be available in this GB and what it will be priced at.
Title: Re: [IC] Noxary 280 & 220 (4/25 - Samples Ordered)
Post by: xondat on Sun, 06 May 2018, 08:49:47
(https://i.imgur.com/LciA5E2.jpg)

(https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/422409744175857665/442313029518884866/0505_3.jpg)

Both factories have finished machining :p
Title: Re: [IC] Noxary 280 & 220 (4/25 - Samples Ordered)
Post by: Etherealsound on Sun, 06 May 2018, 12:41:41
Show Image
(https://i.imgur.com/LciA5E2.jpg)


Show Image
(https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/422409744175857665/442313029518884866/0505_3.jpg)


Both factories have finished machining :p

Hyped! Can't wait for the gb
Title: Re: [IC] Noxary 280 & 220 (4/25 - Samples Ordered)
Post by: p_blaze on Sun, 06 May 2018, 13:21:36
Show Image
(https://i.imgur.com/LciA5E2.jpg)


Show Image
(https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/422409744175857665/442313029518884866/0505_3.jpg)


Both factories have finished machining :p

that lighting makes the top looks like acrylic
Title: Re: [IC] Noxary 280 & 220 (4/25 - Samples Ordered)
Post by: xondat on Sun, 06 May 2018, 13:27:51
that lighting makes the top looks like acrylic

That's strange, it's supposed to look like polycarbonate. :))
Title: Re: [IC] Noxary 280 & 220 (4/25 - Samples Ordered)
Post by: p_blaze on Sun, 06 May 2018, 13:50:01
that lighting makes the top looks like acrylic

That's strange, it's supposed to look like polycarbonate. :))

potato, tomato lol

nice to see though, a full polycarb 280 sounds interesting
Title: Re: [IC] Noxary 280 & 220 (4/25 - Samples Ordered)
Post by: tanvir175 on Tue, 08 May 2018, 19:08:20
Do you have an ETA on when the GB will start or are you still running 2 GB's and can't do another one?
Title: Re: [IC] Noxary 280 & 220 (4/25 - Samples Ordered)
Post by: xondat on Tue, 08 May 2018, 19:14:39
Do you have an ETA on when the GB will start or are you still running 2 GB's and can't do another one?

Samples should be sent this week.

I won't have any GBs on geekhack when I finish shipping 268, so the 2 GB rule isn't an issue :)
Title: Re: [IC] Noxary 280 & 220 (4/25 - Samples Ordered)
Post by: xondat on Tue, 08 May 2018, 19:20:44
Oh and just to clarify, 268 (anodized units) will be fully shipped before I start this buy, as I know a lot will want to see the improved quality compared to X60 V1 :p
Title: Re: [IC] Noxary 280 & 220 (4/25 - Samples Ordered)
Post by: oh_chesteroni on Tue, 08 May 2018, 19:47:00
Oh and just to clarify, 268 (anodized units) will be fully shipped before I start this buy, as I know a lot will want to see the improved quality compared to X60 V1
Can we expect another x60 run near the end of this year or do you think that's likely to happen in 2019?

Sorry, slightly off topic.
Title: Re: [IC] Noxary 280 & 220 (4/25 - Samples Ordered)
Post by: xondat on Tue, 08 May 2018, 20:01:36
Oh and just to clarify, 268 (anodized units) will be fully shipped before I start this buy, as I know a lot will want to see the improved quality compared to X60 V1
Can we expect another x60 run near the end of this year or do you think that's likely to happen in 2019?

Sorry, slightly off topic.

V2 is after this, which should be in about 3-4 months :)
Title: Re: [IC] Noxary 280 & 220 (4/25 - Samples Ordered)
Post by: hansichen on Tue, 08 May 2018, 23:19:10
Do you have an ETA on when the GB will start or are you still running 2 GB's and can't do another one?

Samples should be sent this week.

I won't have any GBs on geekhack when I finish shipping 268, so the 2 GB rule isn't an issue :)
So closing a GB thread before shipping makes a GB non existing on geekhack? Questionable way to avoid a questionable rule.
Title: Re: [IC] Noxary 280 & 220 (4/25 - Samples Ordered)
Post by: oh_chesteroni on Wed, 09 May 2018, 00:08:38
Do you have an ETA on when the GB will start or are you still running 2 GB's and can't do another one?

Samples should be sent this week.

I won't have any GBs on geekhack when I finish shipping 268, so the 2 GB rule isn't an issue :)
So closing a GB thread before shipping makes a GB non existing on geekhack? Questionable way to avoid a questionable rule.
? He said when he finishes shipping...
Title: Re: [IC] Noxary 280 & 220 (4/25 - Samples Ordered)
Post by: xondat on Wed, 09 May 2018, 13:59:29
Do you have an ETA on when the GB will start or are you still running 2 GB's and can't do another one?

Samples should be sent this week.

I won't have any GBs on geekhack when I finish shipping 268, so the 2 GB rule isn't an issue :)

So closing a GB thread before shipping makes a GB non existing on geekhack? Questionable way to avoid a questionable rule.

I doubt private buys count towards the "questionable" rule. The whole thing seems a bit weird since I've seen others have more than 2 active buys.

Basically, there won't be a delay on this :))
Title: Re: [IC] Noxary 280 & 220 (4/25 - Samples Ordered)
Post by: Oblotzky on Wed, 09 May 2018, 14:04:12
Basically, there won't be a delay on this :))

Mods please pin
Title: Re: [IC] Noxary 280 & 220 (4/25 - Samples Ordered)
Post by: xondat on Wed, 09 May 2018, 14:08:50
Basically, there won't be a delay on this :))

Mods please pin

lol don't do me like this
Title: Re: [IC] Noxary 280 & 220 (4/25 - Samples Ordered)
Post by: Remsky on Wed, 09 May 2018, 16:05:08
Basically, there won't be a delay on this :))

Mods please pin

Should pin this on the front page.
Title: Re: [IC] Noxary 280 & 220 (4/25 - Samples Ordered)
Post by: Puddsy on Wed, 09 May 2018, 18:37:30
Basically, there won't be a delay on this :))

Mods please pin

i'm gonna put it in the subreddit sticky
Title: Re: [IC] Noxary 280 & 220 (4/25 - Samples Ordered)
Post by: xondat on Wed, 09 May 2018, 18:42:12
Basically, there won't be a delay on this :))

Mods please pin

i'm gonna put it in the subreddit sticky

no balls
Title: Re: [IC] Noxary 280 & 220 (4/25 - Samples Ordered)
Post by: Puddsy on Wed, 09 May 2018, 18:44:25
Basically, there won't be a delay on this :))

Mods please pin

i'm gonna put it in the subreddit sticky

no balls

https://www.reddit.com/r/MechanicalKeyboards/comments/8i39w3/meetup_information_leeds_milwaukee_houston_and/

fight me
Title: Re: [IC] Noxary 280 & 220 (4/25 - Samples Ordered)
Post by: xondat on Thu, 10 May 2018, 15:20:06
https://www.reddit.com/r/MechanicalKeyboards/comments/8i39w3/meetup_information_leeds_milwaukee_houston_and/

fight me

did me good
Title: Re: [IC] Noxary 280 & 220 (4/25 - Samples Ordered)
Post by: xondat on Thu, 10 May 2018, 15:24:00
(https://i.imgur.com/MOr2E5r.jpg)

(https://i.imgur.com/0pRB27y.jpg)

(https://i.imgur.com/6ejwrb9.jpg)

This should ship tomorrow, even before the aluminum versions :eek:
Title: Re: [IC] Noxary 280 & 220 (4/25 - Samples Ordered)
Post by: pixelpusher on Thu, 10 May 2018, 17:31:37
Show Image
(https://i.imgur.com/MOr2E5r.jpg)


Show Image
(https://i.imgur.com/0pRB27y.jpg)


Show Image
(https://i.imgur.com/6ejwrb9.jpg)


This should ship tomorrow, even before the aluminum versions :eek:

?  Is that a full polycarb build?  Can I has it?
Title: Re: [IC] Noxary 280 & 220 (4/25 - Samples Ordered)
Post by: finalarcadia on Thu, 10 May 2018, 18:46:42
If full poly build is available I'm gonna have to get one  :p
Title: Re: [IC] Noxary 280 & 220 (4/25 - Samples Ordered)
Post by: crtexcnndrm99 on Thu, 10 May 2018, 23:44:09
Show Image
(https://i.imgur.com/MOr2E5r.jpg)


Show Image
(https://i.imgur.com/0pRB27y.jpg)


Show Image
(https://i.imgur.com/6ejwrb9.jpg)


This should ship tomorrow, even before the aluminum versions :eek:
sweet
Title: Re: [IC] Noxary 280 & 220 (4/25 - Samples Ordered)
Post by: xondat on Fri, 11 May 2018, 07:03:24
(https://i.imgur.com/zs9O6nY.jpg)

(https://i.imgur.com/kcMu1nc.jpg)

It's probably about time that the 220 got some love ;)

Pre-finishing of course.
Title: Re: [IC] Noxary 280 & 220 (5/11 - Samples Shipping This Week)
Post by: LightningXI on Fri, 11 May 2018, 09:21:56
Show Image
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Show Image
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It's probably about time that the 220 got some love ;)

Pre-finishing of course.

Looks neat. The bezel is quite thin on the top frame!
Title: Re: [IC] Noxary 280 & 220 (5/11 - Samples Shipping This Week)
Post by: haiz85 on Fri, 11 May 2018, 21:58:51
really love it...hope i could join
Title: Re: [IC] Noxary 280 & 220 (5/11 - Samples Shipping This Week)
Post by: ihalatch on Fri, 11 May 2018, 22:22:36
Looks amazing. I wish I could afford it. You rock mate. The more I use my X60 the more I appreciate it. I've just realized what an incredible keyboard it is.
Title: Re: [IC] Noxary 280 & 220 (5/11 - Samples Shipping This Week)
Post by: foxmancore on Sat, 12 May 2018, 00:03:32
Just sell me the board already  ;D
Title: Re: [IC] Noxary 280 & 220 (5/11 - Samples Shipping This Week)
Post by: marre259 on Sat, 12 May 2018, 00:38:13
Any info on how the 5mm brass plate would feel/sound?
Title: Re: [IC] Noxary 280 & 220 (5/11 - Samples Shipping This Week)
Post by: Puddsy on Sat, 12 May 2018, 02:05:06
Any info on how the 5mm brass plate would feel/sound?

nobody has any idea
Title: Re: [IC] Noxary 280 & 220 (5/11 - Samples Shipping This Week)
Post by: xondat on Sat, 12 May 2018, 03:42:44
really love it...hope i could join

Looks amazing. I wish I could afford it. You rock mate. The more I use my X60 the more I appreciate it. I've just realized what an incredible keyboard it is.

Just sell me the board already  ;D

Thanks guys, the support means a lot.

Any info on how the 5mm brass plate would feel/sound?

Yeah what Puddsy said.

I'm going to give thoughts on both polycarbonate and brass when I get them built up. I'm also taking them to the UK meetup (on the 26th of May) and will get others to leave thoughts too.
Title: Re: [IC] Noxary 280 & 220 (5/11 - Samples Shipping This Week)
Post by: phorx on Sat, 12 May 2018, 06:00:11
Any info on how the 5mm brass plate would feel/sound?

nobody has any idea

Well, anyone that tried the Zephyr at the Vancouver meetup knows... hopefully one of them can chime in.
Title: Re: [IC] Noxary 280 & 220 (5/11 - Samples Shipping This Week)
Post by: hansichen on Sat, 12 May 2018, 06:43:02
Keep in mind that the sound also heavily depends on the case itself. As long as you don't have to comparable builds in the same case with both plate variants you can hardly say which one sounds better.
Title: Re: [IC] Noxary 280 & 220 (5/11 - Samples Shipping This Week)
Post by: xondat on Sat, 12 May 2018, 09:34:49
Keep in mind that the sound also heavily depends on the case itself. As long as you don't have to comparable builds in the same case with both plate variants you can hardly say which one sounds better.

Yeah true.

Guess mine is the only top mount, so YMMV.
Title: Re: [IC] Noxary 280 & 220 (5/14 - Samples Shipped)
Post by: xondat on Sun, 13 May 2018, 22:58:18
peep the title though

(http://www.reactiongifs.com/r/2013/12/aVOSkIC.gif)
Title: Re: [IC] Noxary 280 & 220 (5/14 - Samples Shipped)
Post by: foxmancore on Sun, 13 May 2018, 23:13:52
Hype intensifies
Title: Re: [IC] Noxary 280 & 220 (5/14 - Samples Shipped)
Post by: Snappo on Mon, 14 May 2018, 09:07:09
HYPEEEEEEEE

Cant wait to see it at the meetup. Especially the 5mm Brass!
Title: Re: [IC] Noxary 280 & 220 (5/14 - Samples Shipped)
Post by: Kerasan on Mon, 14 May 2018, 13:28:56
Colors sample?

KMK Labs.
Title: Re: [IC] Noxary 280 & 220 (5/14 - Samples Shipped)
Post by: xondat on Mon, 14 May 2018, 13:50:13
Colors sample?

I think most colors will be ran with a private buy I'm doing, but it doesn't really matter anyway.

The Pantones are a guideline, simply because all of these are variables: your eyesight; your monitor color accuracy; my eyesight; my camera; my monitor color accuracy; my choice from what I see; the factory and their color accuracy (which will change throughout the monitors they use); their choice on what they think they can do; and finally, anodizing variables (which include between batches, and a whole lot more).

Basically, it's a waste of time. What you see if pretty much what you'll get.

The custom colors in 268 AG turned out really well when I'm comparing the color directly to my monitor. Now remember all the variables. I am very happy with how they turned out anyway, and I have no doubts this'll be any different.
Title: Re: [IC] Noxary 280 & 220 (5/14 - Samples Shipped)
Post by: bthezebra on Mon, 14 May 2018, 14:00:02
Excited to see the samples.
Title: Re: [IC] Noxary 280 & 220 (5/14 - Samples Shipped)
Post by: SolidCactus on Mon, 14 May 2018, 14:04:00
Looking forward to seeing the samples on this one as well!
Title: Re: [IC] Noxary 280 & 220 (5/14 - Samples Shipped)
Post by: xondat on Wed, 16 May 2018, 15:35:43
Oh I never said when they'll arrive.

Friday.
Title: Re: [IC] Noxary 280 & 220 (5/14 - Samples Shipped)
Post by: Etherealsound on Wed, 16 May 2018, 16:47:47
Oh I never said when they'll arrive.

Friday.

Well, now I can't wait for Friday
Title: Re: [IC] Noxary 280 & 220
Post by: xondat on Thu, 17 May 2018, 07:57:32
Oh right, forgot to post here :-X

GB thread is up:

https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=95660

Thank you for all the interest shown over the past few months.

:-*