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Title: This year may be biblical
Post by: tp4tissue on Mon, 10 April 2023, 18:37:09
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 The world could breach 1.5 degrees of warming for the first time

El Niño (This year) could -- for the first time -- push the world past 1.5 degrees Celsius of warming above the pre-industrial levels of the mid-to-late 1800s.

Compared to pre-industrial temperatures. Scientists consider 1.5 degrees of warming as a key tipping point, beyond which the chances of extreme flooding, drought, wildfires and food shortages could increase dramatically.

A strong El Niño could push the planet to that point, Scaife said, even if only temporarily.

"We will probably have, in 2024, the warmest year globally on record," Josef Ludescher a senior scientist at Potsdam Institute for Climate Impact Research
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Australia due to their latitude breached 1.52 Celcius in 2019, climate change will affect them more quickly before the Americas. This breakthrough there brought upon "Black Summer." where an area of ~250,000 km^2 burned, the size of wyoming.  this was also the spark of their major climate upheaval, student protests.

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For the past 3 years, despite record setting temperatures each year, we had the luck of La-Nina 3x in the row, a cooling (weather) event in the ocean,  THIS YEAR, it's going to be El-Nino, a potentially apocalyptic warming event.

Tp4 highly recommends "Burning (2021)" Documentary

Title: Re: This year may be biblical
Post by: CaesarAZealad on Mon, 10 April 2023, 20:20:24
Aren't you a ray of sunshine :\
Title: Re: This year may be biblical
Post by: tp4tissue on Mon, 10 April 2023, 20:44:48
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Title: Re: This year may be biblical
Post by: tp4tissue on Wed, 12 April 2023, 07:41:35
OMG...  SUPER EL' Niño

https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2023/apr/12/climate-models-warn-of-possible-super-el-nino-before-end-of-year

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Title: Re: This year may be biblical
Post by: fohat.digs on Wed, 12 April 2023, 08:17:51
The one thing that has tended to be true about forecasts of future global warming is that they usually dramatically underestimate what actually happens.
Title: Re: This year may be biblical
Post by: CaesarAZealad on Wed, 12 April 2023, 09:16:12
Gotta stay positive in the face of certain doom, so here's my silver lining: At the rate this is going the billionaires won't have enough time to escape into space by the time the world ends.
I'm not actually gonna start prepping for the end of the world, but I will say that I'm gonna start valuing each day a bit more than I used to.
Title: Re: This year may be biblical
Post by: tp4tissue on Wed, 12 April 2023, 09:20:21
people fail to grasp "Exponential" , disasters will become "Exponentially WORSE"
Title: Re: This year may be biblical
Post by: fohat.digs on Wed, 12 April 2023, 09:34:07
https://www.nature.com/articles/s41467-023-37649-9 (https://www.nature.com/articles/s41467-023-37649-9)

TL;DR - sea level around New Orleans has risen 8 inches = 20 centimeters since the time of Hurricane Katrina
Title: Re: This year may be biblical
Post by: tp4tissue on Wed, 12 April 2023, 10:08:02
their replacement levee system isn't even up to the spec of the original which busted wide open, it's only enough to minimally qualify for insurance.
Title: Re: This year may be biblical
Post by: CaesarAZealad on Wed, 12 April 2023, 10:53:45
https://www.nature.com/articles/s41467-023-37649-9 (https://www.nature.com/articles/s41467-023-37649-9)

TL;DR - sea level around New Orleans has risen 8 inches = 20 centimeters since the time of Hurricane Katrina


If I lose Massachusetts to global warming I will dedicate the rest of my life to destroying everything that took my home from me
Title: Re: This year may be biblical
Post by: fohat.digs on Wed, 12 April 2023, 12:11:03

If I lose Massachusetts to global warming


Massachusetts gets up to a thousand thousand meters high in the west, you will probably only lose the first meter or 2 during your lifetime.
Revenge is a fool's errand, the past has passed. Expend your energies and rescue the future from the Republicans.
Title: Re: This year may be biblical
Post by: CaesarAZealad on Wed, 12 April 2023, 13:57:52

If I lose Massachusetts to global warming


Massachusetts gets up to a thousand thousand meters high in the west, you will probably only lose the first meter or 2 during your lifetime.
Revenge is a fool's errand, the past has passed. Expend your energies and rescue the future from the Republicans.
You're assuming death will stop me.
Title: Re: This year may be biblical
Post by: fohat.digs on Thu, 13 April 2023, 10:07:19
Ft Lauderdale, Florida (a little North of Miami) got almost  2  FEET  (2/3 of a meter) of rain in just seven (7) hours yesterday.

Their previous record was about a foot and a half (half a meter) of rain in 3 days ....

https://www.thenextmiami.com/the-2022-list-of-every-supertall-tower-currently-being-planned-in-miami/ (https://www.thenextmiami.com/the-2022-list-of-every-supertall-tower-currently-being-planned-in-miami/)

Title: Re: This year may be biblical
Post by: pixelpusher on Thu, 13 April 2023, 11:06:17
Just another great year for records  :thumb: 
Title: Re: This year may be biblical
Post by: chyros on Fri, 14 April 2023, 04:07:12
I'm gonna drown if this keeps up D; .
Title: Re: This year may be biblical
Post by: tp4tissue on Wed, 26 April 2023, 20:32:04
This might be it gekhfam..  we' in it now !!

Scientists scratching their heads.  Is this the tipping point ? Have we maxed out the ocean's absorption potential.

Ocean Temperature


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Title: Re: This year may be biblical
Post by: fohat.digs on Mon, 01 May 2023, 08:17:55
We may also find out how utterly dependant on satellites and GPS we have become when solar flares fry the electronics in them.
https://www.businessinsider.com/sun-more-active-solar-storms-auroras-power-outages-grounded-flights-2023-2 (https://www.businessinsider.com/sun-more-active-solar-storms-auroras-power-outages-grounded-flights-2023-2)

If you haven't read about the Carrington Event  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carrington_Event (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carrington_Event)  you should.
Title: Re: This year may be biblical
Post by: tp4tissue on Mon, 01 May 2023, 17:50:50
BTW,  the Dust Bowl is back..

https://www.cnn.com/videos/weather/2023/05/01/illinois-deadly-dust-storm-i-55-vpx.cnn
Title: Re: This year may be biblical
Post by: tp4tissue on Sun, 14 May 2023, 01:53:52
They've resorted to Prayer in Spain for RAIN.

Olive groves parched due to only receiving 1/5th of the average amount of rainfall.

Yields decimated, 55% lower than previous year,  commodity food oil prices at highest levels.
Title: Re: This year may be biblical
Post by: yiuoterw on Sun, 14 May 2023, 01:58:23
Hey, look at the silver lining.
If climate change is getting worse, at this rate we won't have to worry about Florida for much longer!
Title: Re: This year may be biblical
Post by: tp4tissue on Sun, 14 May 2023, 02:21:55
Hey, look at the silver lining.
If climate change is getting worse, at this rate we won't have to worry about Florida for much longer!

I get your funny yiuoterw, damn that florida.

But I must caution fellow humans,  it's going to take the net efforts of EVERY person's climate responsible actions to turn this disaster around.  All hands on deck.
Title: Re: This year may be biblical
Post by: Rhienfo on Sun, 14 May 2023, 02:53:45
I want to stay hopeful about this, but I'm not very optimistic about this, not only does it seem we have to change a lot of the aspects of living (we as a society may not want to do some of that) but we also need to convince corporations to stop damaging the planet, but of course that would mean losing some profit, but they don't want to do that sadly.
Title: Re: This year may be biblical
Post by: fohat.digs on Sun, 14 May 2023, 07:01:33

we won't have to worry about Florida for much longer!


Well, Orlando is 20-40 meters above sea level, so it will take a while before the water gets that high.
Title: Re: This year may be biblical
Post by: tp4tissue on Sun, 14 May 2023, 08:32:13
I want to stay hopeful about this, but I'm not very optimistic about this, not only does it seem we have to change a lot of the aspects of living (we as a society may not want to do some of that) but we also need to convince corporations to stop damaging the planet, but of course that would mean losing some profit, but they don't want to do that sadly.

It's both  top down and bottom up.

Animal agriculture is the biggest single polluter accounting for up to 87% of net green house emission, the key difference in statistics is that the typical number you hear between 15 and 30% does NOT account for the opportunity cost of LAND USE which would otherwise be forest instead of corn,soy.

SOURCE: Salesh Rao,   https://climatehealers.org/wp-content/uploads/2021/04/JES-Rao.pdf

Animal agriculture in growing feed-crop is responsible for 90% of amazon deforestation.

From the top down, the producers have to switch to alternative protein product other than animals.

From the bottom up, we as consumers have to stop buying destructive livestock. That's our vote.
Title: Re: This year may be biblical
Post by: tp4tissue on Sun, 14 May 2023, 08:36:19

we won't have to worry about Florida for much longer!


Well, Orlando is 20-40 meters above sea level, so it will take a while before the water gets that high.



It doesn't take that much, + the tide, another meter will decimate florida. They already have uncontrollable flooding in many urban areas.

The damage will be exponential and cascade,  the insurance companies are already pulling out, much like new orleans. The new orleans's new levy is lower spec than the previous levy which failed. It was only built to minimally qualify for insurance.

Rel-estate is a bubble economy because it has a floating value, in every case Yale/Harvard studies have shown that it's grossly overvalued by several trillion, as to not account for climate risk of properties in danger of unsustainable water, burning forests, severe catastrophic storms.
Title: Re: This year may be biblical
Post by: tp4tissue on Wed, 17 May 2023, 06:46:10
Alberta canada righ nao.. various provinces of canada experiencing 10-15 degrees above normal seasonal temperatures.

This color has rgb value, 220, 190, 138, css, Burly Wood.

Zoom in, ENJOY the Burly wood !!


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Title: Re: This year may be biblical
Post by: fohat.digs on Wed, 17 May 2023, 09:28:04

+ the tide, another meter will decimate florida.


Can you believe this crap? What are they thinking?

https://www.condoblackbook.com/blog/february-2023-miami-s-new-development-and-pre-construction-condo-news/ (https://www.condoblackbook.com/blog/february-2023-miami-s-new-development-and-pre-construction-condo-news/)
Title: Re: This year may be biblical
Post by: tp4tissue on Wed, 17 May 2023, 09:38:28
Florida is a stronghold of mob and cartel money. They're not exactly forward looking.

Their primary ideology is apathy. Our own government that's in bed with these people are identical, so everyone is to blame.
Title: Re: This year may be biblical
Post by: chyros on Wed, 17 May 2023, 12:16:06

we won't have to worry about Florida for much longer!


Well, Orlando is 20-40 meters above sea level, so it will take a while before the water gets that high.
Meanwhile at 1 m above sea level....  :')
Title: Re: This year may be biblical
Post by: fohat.digs on Wed, 17 May 2023, 12:20:27

at 1 m above sea level


Do you rent or own?
Title: Re: This year may be biblical
Post by: chyros on Wed, 17 May 2023, 14:42:19

at 1 m above sea level


Do you rent or own?
Rent, no way I can buy a house.
Title: Re: This year may be biblical
Post by: fohat.digs on Wed, 17 May 2023, 16:01:16

Rent, no way I can buy


I was being snarky, I have a friend with a house at the beach, actually on a small island, that will go under early.

You Dutch have always been very clever, but I suppose that this new task might be looking insurmountable.
Title: Re: This year may be biblical
Post by: tp4tissue on Thu, 18 May 2023, 11:50:44
Sky Color, rgb 255, 219, 163, css, Navajo White.

Sun Color, rgb 244, 154, 164, css, Dark Salmon


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Title: Re: This year may be biblical
Post by: tp4tissue on Fri, 19 May 2023, 09:15:00
Northern Italy, Emilia Romagna region

20,000 now homeless, 13 dead.


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Title: Re: This year may be biblical
Post by: tp4tissue on Fri, 19 May 2023, 18:09:30
Shabelle River, Beledweyne, Somalia, burst banks, 250,000 people have fled homes.

Peoples who contributed the least to climate change will pay the most devastating price.


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Title: Re: This year may be biblical
Post by: Rhienfo on Sat, 20 May 2023, 02:47:44
Northern Italy, Emilia Romagna region

20,000 now homeless, 13 dead.


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Shabelle River, Beledweyne, Somalia, burst banks, 250,000 people have fled homes.

Peoples who contributed the least to climate change will pay the most devastating price.


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This is actually so tragic, I hope these people will be ok
Title: Re: This year may be biblical
Post by: tp4tissue on Tue, 23 May 2023, 11:57:41
This economic system is stupid. They've reached deals in the Western States to cut water use to "SAVE" the Colorado river/lake system.

That deal involves PAYING ~1 BILLION dollars to the various industries to "conserve" water through the inflation reduction act.

The Tax payers are paying them to NOT do something?

It's like being paid not to do work.
Title: Re: This year may be biblical
Post by: tp4tissue on Mon, 05 June 2023, 05:29:23
God damn it, the bad news doesn't end,

Upper atmosphere Rapidly Cooling at the result of Lower atmosphere Warming has knock on effects from irreparable Arctic Ozone hole to Satellite collision.

Big article, difficult to summarize.


https://www.wired.com/story/the-upper-atmosphere-is-cooling-prompting-new-climate-concerns/
Title: Re: This year may be biblical
Post by: fohat.digs on Mon, 05 June 2023, 08:54:15
! ! !

one excerpt:

One of the most turbulent of these phenomena is known as sudden stratospheric warming. Westerly winds in the stratosphere periodically reverse, resulting in big temperatures swings, during which parts of the stratosphere can warm by as much as 90 degrees F (50 degrees C) in a couple of days.

This is typically accompanied by a rapid sinking of air that pushes onto the Atlantic jet stream at the top of the troposphere. The jet stream, which drives weather systems widely across the Northern Hemisphere, begins to snake. This disturbance can cause a variety of extreme weather, from persistent intense rains to summer droughts and “blocking highs” that can cause weeks of intense cold winter weather from eastern North America to Europe and parts of Asia.

Title: Re: This year may be biblical
Post by: tp4tissue on Wed, 07 June 2023, 10:20:50
150 wildfires in Quebec Canada right now, 110 deemed out of control by forestry service.

Haze covers large swaths of east coast USA. Smoggy Smoke smell fills the air,  Purple Air quality index, NYC enveloped, RED SUN.


(https://i.imgur.com/8Wc1obj.gif)
Title: Re: This year may be biblical
Post by: Aquarius on Fri, 09 June 2023, 04:20:55
it's hot today
Title: Re: This year may be biblical
Post by: fohat.digs on Sun, 11 June 2023, 09:03:33
Who knew?
Title: Re: This year may be biblical
Post by: Rhienfo on Sun, 11 June 2023, 10:19:27
Who knew?

People have known this was an issue for ages, but they don't care because they are making a lot of money. corporations will only do something if it affects them.

This video sums it up perfectly (and it's really funny too)

Title: Re: This year may be biblical
Post by: TerryMathews on Tue, 13 June 2023, 04:00:13
It's God's punishment for ignorning the teachings of Jesus Christ and hating the LGBTQ+ community.

(Hey, if the right gets to claim every natural disaster as an indictment against the left, why not the opposite)
Title: Re: This year may be biblical
Post by: fohat.digs on Tue, 13 June 2023, 08:20:49
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_dates_predicted_for_apocalyptic_events (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_dates_predicted_for_apocalyptic_events)
Title: Re: This year may be biblical
Post by: kurplop on Tue, 13 June 2023, 10:31:25
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_dates_predicted_for_apocalyptic_events (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_dates_predicted_for_apocalyptic_events)

That’s great. In 200 years they will be able to add all of the current green-zealots to the list of apocalyptic doomsayers. How silly things look in hindsight.
Title: Re: This year may be biblical
Post by: tp4tissue on Thu, 15 June 2023, 10:15:05
Up to 500 refugees died off a sunk migrant boat headed form libya to greece, including 100+ children.

The boat was overloaded with 750 passengers. ~100 rescued, ~78 dead, the rest missing at sea (probably dead).

So it seems, even for water route, future climate refugees can expect pretty poor odds of survival.
Title: Re: This year may be biblical
Post by: tp4tissue on Fri, 16 June 2023, 06:50:51
Let's GOOOOOOO !!

temperature update.


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Title: Re: This year may be biblical
Post by: nitrosonic on Tue, 27 June 2023, 06:40:57
The world could breach 1.5 degrees of warming for the first time. El Niño (This year) could -- for the first time -- push the world past 1.5 degrees Celsius of warming above the pre-industrial levels of the mid-to-late 1800s. Compared to pre-industrial temperatures. Scientists consider 1.5 degrees of warming as a key tipping point, beyond which the chances of extreme flooding, drought, wildfires, and food shortages could increase dramatically. Regarding the fact that this year can be biblical, I think that this is pure manipulation. Religion has always been used as a tool for crowd control, I read about it here  https://writingbros.com/essay-examples/manipulation-of-religion-in-handmaids-tale/ (https://writingbros.com/essay-examples/manipulation-of-religion-in-handmaids-tale/)   when looking for materials for my college studies. I think that everything will be the same as in 2012, that is, no way. A strong El Niño could push the planet to that point, Scaife said, even if only temporarily. "We will probably have, in 2024, the warmest year globally on record," Josef Ludescher a senior scientist at Potsdam Institute for Climate Impact Research.

Let's live until the end of 2023 first...  :)
Title: Re: This year may be biblical
Post by: tp4tissue on Tue, 27 June 2023, 17:18:12
Texas Heat Dome, Several days of 100F heat already, which typically does not occur until AUGUST, it's not even July.

What Texas really needs to prepare for is Super Flood Risk.  What moisture goes up, must come Down.
Title: Re: This year may be biblical
Post by: tp4tissue on Wed, 28 June 2023, 18:55:24
The writing on the fever patches says, I don't have a fever.

Shanghai Heatwave
(https://cutekawaiiresources.files.wordpress.com/2018/07/61.gif?w=560)

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Title: Re: This year may be biblical
Post by: tp4tissue on Thu, 29 June 2023, 11:37:31
Meanwhile if Florida,  MALARIA is BACK..

Don't get bit, skeets
Title: Re: This year may be biblical
Post by: kurplop on Thu, 29 June 2023, 12:17:55
On a positive note, California is no longer in a drought condition. In fact, most of the reservoirs are full or near full. Had the state spent money on water infrastructure instead of bullet trains to nowhere, we would be exporting water in times of need. Here in SoCal, this has been one of the most pleasant years on record.
Title: Re: This year may be biblical
Post by: tp4tissue on Thu, 29 June 2023, 12:28:56
The train is part of the decarbonization process.  We need alot more trains.

As for reservoirs,  this is a good year out of a multi decade long drought.  WHICH, is itself part of the desertification process occurring in the west.

Deserts follow civilization, this has always been the case, and we're at that tail end.
Title: Re: This year may be biblical
Post by: kurplop on Thu, 29 June 2023, 12:58:50
So what you’re saying is that all news is bad news. Even if it looks good.
Title: Re: This year may be biblical
Post by: fohat.digs on Thu, 29 June 2023, 14:11:54
A very wet winter certainly helped buy the SW some time, but the groundwater there is still severely depleted.

Water is a very precious resource that we all grew up taking for granted and considering almost "free" ....
Title: Re: This year may be biblical
Post by: tp4tissue on Thu, 29 June 2023, 14:35:01
So what you’re saying is that all news is bad news. Even if it looks good.

Yes, but Tp4 is quite at peace with this, if you think about it, witnessing the-very-END of human civilization in the coming 5-10 years is SUPER Lucky.

Takes 100s of thousands of years for us to come this far, and we got to try all the best stuffs.

If you were born even 100 years ago, the best we had then was some pieces of wood on another piece of wood, the pinnacle of entertainment.


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Title: Re: This year may be biblical
Post by: kurplop on Thu, 29 June 2023, 14:57:54
A very wet winter certainly helped buy the SW some time, but the groundwater there is still severely depleted.

Water is a very precious resource that we all grew up taking for granted and considering almost "free" ....


Yes, I agree. California has had cyclical drought/abundant rainfall years for quite some time. By now California politicians should have recognized the need for more reservoirs and collection areas to replenish the aquaphors which have been critically compromised because of bad policies. This is not a new problem.
So what you’re saying is that all news is bad news. Even if it looks good.

Yes, but Tp4 is quite at peace with this, if you think about it, witnessing the-very-END of human civilization in the coming 5-10 years is SUPER Lucky.

Takes 100s of thousands of years for us to come this far, and we got to try all the best stuffs.

If you were born even 100 years ago, the best we had then was some pieces of wood on another piece of wood, the pinnacle of entertainment.


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These are exciting times, for a number of reasons. It is important to appreciate the times we live in whether good or bad, do what we can to help, and recognize that some things are out of our control. Personally, I would rather focus on more immediate needs that threaten the public good than apocalyptic predictions that are decades or centuries away.
Title: Re: This year may be biblical
Post by: tp4tissue on Thu, 29 June 2023, 15:12:21
These are exciting times, for a number of reasons. It is important to appreciate the times we live in whether good or bad, do what we can to help, and recognize that some things are out of our control. Personally, I would rather focus on more immediate needs that threaten the public good than apocalyptic predictions that are decades or centuries away.

Agreed Kurplop, Check out these diagrams based on IPCC data. Remember the food industry actively lobbied them to prevent the IPCC from recommending a plant-based diet as a means of rectifying climate change.

Notice, that Animal Agriculture (growing feed crop), 39 grams of food goes in for 1 gram of meat out, uses up an enormous 37% of the land surface. A deficit of 3 Trillion Trees opportunity cost.

98% of carbon sequestered on Land is in the PLANTS in the white circle.  That is ~3x as much as in the atmosphere.

Because of the deficit in Trees (3 trillion),  the Feed crop we grow for animals only sequester ~2% of carbon.

Animal agriculture is the #1 root cause of climate change.

85% of what humans eat, is grown in that green corner on the right.  The giant RED blob is what we FEED to LIVESTOCK which only accounts for 12% of food, we then bottom trawl 4 billion acres of ocean (size of Russia) to obtain only 3% of food from fish, that is the size of africa


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Land Surface Distribution


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Title: Re: This year may be biblical
Post by: kurplop on Thu, 29 June 2023, 15:52:47
TP, I  may not be properly understanding your map and charts but it looks like you may be confusing grazing land with land used for animal crops. Much grazing land isn’t suitable for forests or much of anything but for growing native prairie grasses. These areas require some water but are rarely irrigated. It is incorrect in assuming that much of this land could be transformed into forests. The map shows the North American continent to be a major carbon sequestered of CO2 which supports forestry numbers showing that US forests are as well or better  populated with trees than before 1910.

Animals continues to be an excellent source of protein as well as other needed nutrients for humans. The animals turn plants that are indigestible for humans into food. You may argue about the inhumane treatment of livestock but the land use argument is pretty weak.
Title: Re: This year may be biblical
Post by: tp4tissue on Thu, 29 June 2023, 16:07:05
TP, I  may not be properly understanding your map and charts but it looks like you may be confusing grazing land with land used for animal crops.

NO, that is not what grazing land is. The vast majority of grazing land is FOREST that we CUT and BURNED over the Millennia, we've done this for roughly 10,000 years.

The Map is only blotched off in color to explain SCALE,  in real life,  It's distributed across the earth's surface with exception of the desert.

It is 100% possible to assume this much land was forest, because we have records of modern deforestation in America, Forest was all there was..

The REVERSE,  reforestation is also true, because again, we've done this to vast areas, and the Trees grow back without human intervention.
Title: Re: This year may be biblical
Post by: kurplop on Thu, 29 June 2023, 16:10:24
TP, I  may not be properly understanding your map and charts but it looks like you may be confusing grazing land with land used for animal crops.

NO, that is not what grazing land is. The vast majority of grazing land is FOREST that we CUT and BURNED over the Millennia, we've done this for roughly 10,000 years.

In the US?
Title: Re: This year may be biblical
Post by: tp4tissue on Thu, 29 June 2023, 16:12:38

In the US?


YES, for america the Indians didn't have that capacity. The invaders did.

What is less talked about is, we continuously BURN grazing land, because otherwise the TREES start to grow back.
Title: Re: This year may be biblical
Post by: kurplop on Thu, 29 June 2023, 16:23:25

In the US?


YES, for america the Indians didn't have that capacity. The invaders did.

What is less talked about is, we continuously BURN grazing land, because otherwise the TREES start to grow back.


How do you explain the increased forests then?
Title: Re: This year may be biblical
Post by: kurplop on Thu, 29 June 2023, 16:23:50

In the US?


YES, for america the Indians didn't have that capacity. The invaders did.

What is less talked about is, we continuously BURN grazing land, because otherwise the TREES start to grow back.


How do you explain the increased forests?

Title: Re: This year may be biblical
Post by: fohat.digs on Tue, 04 July 2023, 17:08:12
Huzzah!
Yesterday, July 3, 2023, was the hottest day ever recorded on the Planet Earth.
Title: Re: This year may be biblical
Post by: tp4tissue on Wed, 05 July 2023, 21:57:48
Record broke only a day after. Apocalyptic Famine soon.
Title: Re: This year may be biblical
Post by: tp4tissue on Fri, 07 July 2023, 08:12:35
3rd hottest day ever record broken

The end of times is near.

/Veggies
Title: Re: This year may be biblical
Post by: tp4tissue on Fri, 07 July 2023, 23:28:18
4th day record broken.

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Title: Re: This year may be biblical
Post by: Rhienfo on Sat, 08 July 2023, 04:55:25
Wow... that's extremely morbid info, maybe this will be the sign for the people in charge to actually do something (Probably not sadly)
Title: Re: This year may be biblical
Post by: fohat.digs on Sun, 09 July 2023, 11:08:26
Here on Earth, we can only blame ourselves.

The Sun doesn't care what we are doing, and has its own behavior. Maybe the northern US will get a show this week.

https://www.npr.org/2023/07/09/1186525577/northern-lights-aurora-borealis-2023 (https://www.npr.org/2023/07/09/1186525577/northern-lights-aurora-borealis-2023)

Title: Re: This year may be biblical
Post by: tp4tissue on Sun, 09 July 2023, 11:20:54
Our grid is also not remotely ready for a CME.

It could quite literally be the end of Humanity, because the failure cascade as all the solid state controllers burn out in our grid, we'll have multiple me1td0wns across the country.

Without proper p0wr infrastructure working, repairs/ coordination can easily become impossible. Each rea(tor in america is equivalent of 6 (hernoby1s worth in the fuel pools alone because they're overfilled.
Title: Re: This year may be biblical
Post by: tp4tissue on Mon, 10 July 2023, 18:04:36
One wonders if in the distant future, short shorts would become socially acceptable for men to wear, because it'd be too hot otherwise where regular shorts won't cut it..

(https://i.imgur.com/HmeSYmM.jpg)
Title: Re: This year may be biblical
Post by: Rhienfo on Mon, 10 July 2023, 18:20:47
One wonders if in the distant future, short shorts would become socially acceptable for men to wear, because it'd be too hot otherwise where regular shorts won't cut it..

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I don't know I feel that people will still call it gay or something.

All of this news makes me wants to invest in a sunscreen companies.
Title: Re: This year may be biblical
Post by: tp4tissue on Tue, 11 July 2023, 19:07:35
So right now, Canada fires have already burned ~20,000,000 acres. That is currently the size of South Carolina.

For perspective, Australia's recent Black Summer, among the most devestating fires mankind has ever witnessed, was ~60,000,000 acres,  that's the size of an entire Wyoming.

Canada fires began 1 month earlier than the normal fire season,  fingers are crossed that they get some "earlier" rain as well,  But the reality may be, it's Canada's Turn for Black Summer.

For perspective, usa's official records began in 1983, recent peaks at 10mil acre in a year.


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USA acre burned per year.

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Title: Re: This year may be biblical
Post by: yz on Tue, 11 July 2023, 20:23:16
One wonders if in the distant future, short shorts would become socially acceptable for men to wear, because it'd be too hot otherwise where regular shorts won't cut it..

Show Image
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that used to be the norm in the NBA in the 60s, gotta bring that back in fashion  :D
Title: Re: This year may be biblical
Post by: tp4tissue on Wed, 12 July 2023, 08:44:46
Vermont flood,  NICE !! climate change is fake news !!

Title: Re: This year may be biblical
Post by: fohat.digs on Wed, 12 July 2023, 10:34:07

climate change is fake news


You would think that all those working class guys who have collected arsenals would start going after Republicans for lying to them all these years.

Title: Re: This year may be biblical
Post by: tp4tissue on Wed, 12 July 2023, 12:13:25

You would think that all those working class guys who have collected arsenals would start going after Republicans for lying to them all these years.


Specific to COAL,  this is going to sound wildly unpopular, but we might need to significantly increase coal burning in the mean time as a temporary measure to stabilized the climate, while we convert the energy FROM said burning into Solar Panels and Wind Power.

Many new scientific papers recently has come out indicating that the pandemic shutdowns which dramatically reduced  Aerosol cover from burning fossil fuels, is what triggered the intense drought and flood situations across asia/ europe/ australia.  and now NOW , USA.
Title: Re: This year may be biblical
Post by: Rhienfo on Thu, 13 July 2023, 00:55:53

You would think that all those working class guys who have collected arsenals would start going after Republicans for lying to them all these years.


Specific to COAL,  this is going to sound wildly unpopular, but we might need to significantly increase coal burning in the mean time as a temporary measure to stabilized the climate, while we convert the energy FROM said burning into Solar Panels and Wind Power.

Many new scientific papers recently has come out indicating that the pandemic shutdowns which dramatically reduced  Aerosol cover from burning fossil fuels, is what triggered the intense drought and flood situations across asia/ europe/ australia.  and now NOW , USA.


Yeah I could see why we would need to do that, while we definitely need to phase out all of this stuff quickly, we have the infrastructure to speed up coal harvesting and to have a stockpile of it while we build more solar/wind turbines.

We can't comprise or do half measures when it comes to the climate, so if we need to run coal to completely implement the more renewable energy sources than we have to.
Title: Re: This year may be biblical
Post by: fohat.digs on Fri, 14 July 2023, 13:22:03
Siberia over 100F/38C above the Arctic Circle.

Again.

ps - it was above 90F/32C on the beach at the Arctic Ocean
Title: Re: This year may be biblical
Post by: tp4tissue on Fri, 14 July 2023, 13:40:20
Siberia over 100F/38C above the Arctic Circle.

Again.

ps - it was above 90F/32C on the beach at the Arctic Ocean



Starting to think 5 to 20 years left of humanity is an over-estimate.

It's probably 2-10 years tops. Once the methane loop pops,  it's nearly game over.
Title: Re: This year may be biblical
Post by: noisyturtle on Fri, 14 July 2023, 15:27:06
Arizona gonna be 120+ tomorrow
yuck
Title: Re: This year may be biblical
Post by: Leslieann on Fri, 14 July 2023, 16:58:31
Arizona gonna be 120+ tomorrow
yuck
Arizona heat isn't the same as the rest of the country because it has such insanely low levels of humidity (often single digit humidity).

Typically, 120F in Arizona feels about the same as roughly 100F or so in the midwest.
Not saying it's pleasant or that it won't blast you in the face like a blow dryer when you walk outside but it's not the 120f you would expect.

*I've lived all over the southwest, including Arizona.
Title: Re: This year may be biblical
Post by: chyros on Sun, 16 July 2023, 06:24:57
Worst weather I've had yet was in Singapore. 32 C in 100 humidity is incredible, all you want to do is flee. It's like it activates a primal instinct in you or something.

45 in Vegas and the Sahara was nowhere near as bad.
Title: Re: This year may be biblical
Post by: tp4tissue on Sun, 16 July 2023, 06:43:35
Feline Corononavirus killed 300,000 cats in Cyprus,  has likely already left the country, too late for containment.

Good thing cats are typically indoors, but you know, stay away from other cats if you have cats.
Title: Re: This year may be biblical
Post by: tp4tissue on Tue, 18 July 2023, 08:08:59
US Western fires expected to Splodz soonish.
Title: Re: This year may be biblical
Post by: tp4tissue on Tue, 18 July 2023, 10:58:31
11% deficit in antarctic sea ice this year vs previous.

This is a hugely important indicator, but also a major tipping point because ice is a large component to land Albedo, (reflectivity) of sunlight.  WITHOUT WHICH, we'd burn up even faster.

(https://i.imgur.com/wnXNQ1j.gif)
Title: Re: This year may be biblical
Post by: fohat.digs on Wed, 19 July 2023, 16:41:02
https://fortune.com/2023/07/18/house-republicans-want-to-plant-trillion-trees-climate-change-natural-gas/?xid=soc_socialflow_twitter_FORTUNE (https://fortune.com/2023/07/18/house-republicans-want-to-plant-trillion-trees-climate-change-natural-gas/?xid=soc_socialflow_twitter_FORTUNE)

TL;DR - Rep. Scott Perry (R-PA), who leads the hard-right House Freedom Caucus, in a hearing Thursday alleged that the Biden administration’s climate agenda was tackling "a problem that doesn’t exist."
Title: Re: This year may be biblical
Post by: tp4tissue on Wed, 19 July 2023, 16:59:51
https://fortune.com/2023/07/18/house-republicans-want-to-plant-trillion-trees-climate-change-natural-gas/?xid=soc_socialflow_twitter_FORTUNE (https://fortune.com/2023/07/18/house-republicans-want-to-plant-trillion-trees-climate-change-natural-gas/?xid=soc_socialflow_twitter_FORTUNE)

TL;DR - Rep. Scott Perry (R-PA), who leads the hard-right House Freedom Caucus, in a hearing Thursday alleged that the Biden administration’s climate agenda was tackling "a problem that doesn’t exist."


We actually need 3-Trillion trees, and a moratorium on Animal Agriculture, which is the LEADING root cause of deforestation / Land use, and thus CLIMATE CHANGE.
Title: Re: This year may be biblical
Post by: tp4tissue on Wed, 19 July 2023, 23:09:24
U.S. Forest Service trying to “secure the edge" (IN CANADA), quoted saying,  "there's no taming these wildfires now, they were too vast and too hot."

Did we ever have a chance?


(https://i.imgur.com/hVaXskJ.gif)
Title: Re: This year may be biblical
Post by: chyros on Thu, 20 July 2023, 04:58:42
U.S. Forest Service trying to “secure the edge" (IN CANADA), quoted saying,  "there's no taming these wildfires now, they were too vast and too hot."

Did we ever have a chance?


Show Image
(https://i.imgur.com/hVaXskJ.gif)

Something about a bag of cheeto dust that keeps calling climate crisis a hoax?
Title: Re: This year may be biblical
Post by: Leslieann on Thu, 20 July 2023, 05:52:17
U.S. Forest Service trying to “secure the edge" (IN CANADA), quoted saying,  "there's no taming these wildfires now, they were too vast and too hot."

Did we ever have a chance?


Show Image
(https://i.imgur.com/hVaXskJ.gif)

Something about a bag of cheeto dust that keeps calling climate crisis a hoax?
All they had to do was rake their forests!
Maybe they can nuke them like we did those hurricanes.

Better yet, let's just redraw the maps with a Sharpie, then the fires will just move to a safe location.
Title: Re: This year may be biblical
Post by: chyros on Thu, 20 July 2023, 06:10:51
U.S. Forest Service trying to “secure the edge" (IN CANADA), quoted saying,  "there's no taming these wildfires now, they were too vast and too hot."

Did we ever have a chance?


Show Image
(https://i.imgur.com/hVaXskJ.gif)

Something about a bag of cheeto dust that keeps calling climate crisis a hoax?
All they had to do was rake their forests!
Maybe they can nuke them like we did those hurricanes.

Better yet, let's just redraw the maps with a Sharpie, then the fires will just move to a safe location.
Exactly!

On a related note, I always forget whether we need to nuke the whales or Japan to save on CO2 emissions because plankton either absorb or release an enormous amount of it.
Title: Re: This year may be biblical
Post by: tp4tissue on Thu, 20 July 2023, 06:26:06
Japan is already nvking the pacific. 400+ Tons of ground water in direct contact with the melted fvkv5hima cores is discharged into the ocean Every day.  This is incredibly rad1oa(tive water, MORE toxic than the stuff they're planning to dump.

400x4500 days since disaster, 1.8 Million tons.   The dissolved rad1onuc1ides then BIO accumulate up the marine food chain, highly toxic fish.

Try to avoid eating pacific fish, or buying japan cooking products (rice cookers), certainly avoid any japan grocery imports, rice/ fruits/ etc..
Title: Re: This year may be biblical
Post by: fohat.digs on Thu, 20 July 2023, 11:28:12
ha ha

Title: Re: This year may be biblical
Post by: Darthbaggins on Thu, 20 July 2023, 12:18:49
U.S. Forest Service trying to “secure the edge" (IN CANADA), quoted saying,  "there's no taming these wildfires now, they were too vast and too hot."

Did we ever have a chance?


Show Image
(https://i.imgur.com/hVaXskJ.gif)

Something about a bag of cheeto dust that keeps calling climate crisis a hoax?
All they had to do was rake their forests!
Maybe they can nuke them like we did those hurricanes.

Better yet, let's just redraw the maps with a Sharpie, then the fires will just move to a safe location.
Exactly!

On a related note, I always forget whether we need to nuke the whales or Japan to save on CO2 emissions because plankton either absorb or release an enormous amount of it.

Don't forget the Trees like it as well - that must be why the fires are most active in certain areas. .
Title: Re: This year may be biblical
Post by: chyros on Fri, 21 July 2023, 01:37:53
ha ha
LOL xD
Title: Re: This year may be biblical
Post by: tp4tissue on Tue, 25 July 2023, 08:37:03
Antarctic sea ice  @ Record low.

"To say unprecedented isn't strong enough," Oceanographer, Dr. Edward Doddridge said.

"For those of you who are interested in statistics, this is a five-sigma event. So it's five standard deviations beyond the mean. Which means that if nothing had changed, we'd expect to see a winter like this about once every 7.5 million years."

Title: Re: This year may be biblical
Post by: tp4tissue on Fri, 28 July 2023, 05:53:46
The era of global warming has ended and "the era of global boiling has arrived", the UN secretary general, António Guterres

What do you guys think, should we subscribe to Soylent Green or Soylent Red ?

Red Probably tastes better since it's darker and closer to the original color of the base ingredient, therefore it's been less processed/bleached/dyed ?
(https://i.imgur.com/1uEw5z3.gif)



Title: Re: This year may be biblical
Post by: fohat.digs on Fri, 28 July 2023, 08:11:06

should we subscribe to Soylent Green or Soylent Red?


In the original book, the world population had ballooned to 7 billion and the US had 344 million.
Title: Re: This year may be biblical
Post by: tp4tissue on Sat, 29 July 2023, 10:30:06
Even Cactus-Br0s are dying... Saguaros.. largest cactus species in america.

This is the end !

Humans can not survive this....


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Title: Re: This year may be biblical
Post by: Leslieann on Sat, 29 July 2023, 11:51:34
It's not just the heat causing this, they could handle that.

The problem was the wet winter caused everything to grow and sprout in expectation of a wet monsoon season* to support it, that monsoon season hasn't arrived. It's not just the cactus, other wildlife also spiked, the Saguaros are just the most visible example and unlike the rest it will take decades for them to recover.

Plants and animals are usually pretty good at predicting and planning for the upcoming season but the weather has been so crazy they can't and this is what you get.


*Arizona gets wicked storms during monsoon season and sometimes mid-winter, usually a dust storm (haboob) then tons of rain, lightning, hail, 90+mph winds, etc.. It's every bit the crazy tropical storm you would expect to find on an island out in the ocean.
Title: Re: This year may be biblical
Post by: tp4tissue on Tue, 01 August 2023, 13:39:51
California Nevada Border going up in major blaze, spawning Fire Whirls,  a vortex of Fire and Smoke when intense heat and turbulent wind combine creating a Spinning column of FIRE.

Sizes are highly variable, a few feet to hundreds of feet tall. Power lvl can reach that of an EF3 tornado.

Basically Sharknado but with Fire.
Title: Re: This year may be biblical
Post by: tp4tissue on Wed, 02 August 2023, 06:19:41
Stanford AI predicts 1 in 2 chance Earth breaches 2 degrees Celsius by middle of this century, more than 4 in 5 chance by 2060.

We're sooooooooo screwwwwed.. Guaranteed that's still an underestimate because our assumption for CAUSES of climate change is thoroughly unaddressed,   ANIMAL AGRICULTURE
Title: Re: This year may be biblical
Post by: fohat.digs on Thu, 03 August 2023, 11:56:20
To me, leprosy was always something from the Old Times that modern science had long since made obsolete.

https://wwwnc.cdc.gov/eid/article/29/8/22-0367_article (https://wwwnc.cdc.gov/eid/article/29/8/22-0367_article)
 
Title: Re: This year may be biblical
Post by: tp4tissue on Thu, 03 August 2023, 12:24:40
"A high percentage of unrelated leprosy cases in the southern United States were found to carry the same unique strain of M. leprae as nine-banded armadillos in the region, suggesting a strong likelihood of zoonotic transmission (4). A recent systematic review analyzing studies conducted during 1945–2019 supports an increasing role of anthroponotic and zoonotic transmission of leprosy"

YET AGAIN, zoonotic transfer, Stop messing with Animals.
Title: Re: This year may be biblical
Post by: chyros on Thu, 03 August 2023, 15:52:22
To me, leprosy was always something from the Old Times that modern science had long since made obsolete.

https://wwwnc.cdc.gov/eid/article/29/8/22-0367_article (https://wwwnc.cdc.gov/eid/article/29/8/22-0367_article)
....WAT
Title: Re: This year may be biblical
Post by: tp4tissue on Fri, 04 August 2023, 07:49:59
According to sources,  Canada fire is ongoing at EX+ pace with no end in sight.  Incineration of 34 Million Acres so far.  The size of Arkansas, imagine all of that, FIRE, gone in less than 3 months.

Climate change is FAKE NEWS!


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Title: Re: This year may be biblical
Post by: fohat.digs on Fri, 04 August 2023, 08:08:09

https://www.cnn.com/2023/07/30/world/antarctic-sea-ice-winter-record-low-climate-intl/index.html (https://www.cnn.com/2023/07/30/world/antarctic-sea-ice-winter-record-low-climate-intl/index.html)

TL;DR "scientists said West Antarctica’s vast Thwaites Glacier – also known as the “Doomsday Glacier” – was “hanging on by its fingernails” as the planet warms."
 
Title: Re: This year may be biblical
Post by: tp4tissue on Fri, 04 August 2023, 08:23:55

https://www.cnn.com/2023/07/30/world/antarctic-sea-ice-winter-record-low-climate-intl/index.html (https://www.cnn.com/2023/07/30/world/antarctic-sea-ice-winter-record-low-climate-intl/index.html)

TL;DR "scientists said West Antarctica’s vast Thwaites Glacier – also known as the “Doomsday Glacier” – was “hanging on by its fingernails” as the planet warms."
 

We're almost certainly going to blow through that. The world is NOT ready.
Title: Re: This year may be biblical
Post by: fohat.digs on Fri, 04 August 2023, 08:29:56

The world is NOT ready.


I lived through a simple easy flood when I lived in Florida in the late-1970s (in a rented house).

Ever since then I have always lived on a hill.
Title: Re: This year may be biblical
Post by: tp4tissue on Fri, 04 August 2023, 14:47:59
South America (Chile/ Argentina) just experianced a heatwave of 100F degrees in their Winter month.  Their august is equivalent of our february.  Completely unprecedented.

Non stop fake news. These countries are deep state liberal extremist liars/5g/magnet/laptops.
Title: Re: This year may be biblical
Post by: fohat.digs on Fri, 04 August 2023, 18:14:37
The really important question for the US is whether there was gay porn on Hunter Biden's laptop. Global warming can wait.
Title: Re: This year may be biblical
Post by: fohat.digs on Mon, 07 August 2023, 08:06:34
"Glacial Outburst" is a new term that I didn't even know ....

https://www.cnn.com/2023/08/07/us/alaska-flooding-mendenhall-river-glacier/index.html (https://www.cnn.com/2023/08/07/us/alaska-flooding-mendenhall-river-glacier/index.html)
Title: Re: This year may be biblical
Post by: tp4tissue on Thu, 10 August 2023, 17:25:33
Maui, Hawaii residents jumping into the ocean to escape wildfire. This progression is deeply upsetting.

Diving into ocean from Maui's dry land intimates the idea that Earth is the sinking ship or a burning building from which Man would dangerously leap.

Tp4 is very upset by this sorrowful similitude.


But hey, eat meat, deforest 43% of earth's dry land to grow that meat (IPCC) The fossil fuel Republicans deny climate change outright, the Democrats only deny it through their actions to preserve the capitalist status quo, approve drilling contracts, and obstruct the IPCC from recommending people eat a plant based diet. This is the nature of our economics and its political implication.
Title: Re: This year may be biblical
Post by: Leslieann on Thu, 10 August 2023, 17:43:59
But hey, eat meat, deforest 43% of earth's dry land to grow that meat (IPCC) The fossil fuel Republicans deny climate change outright, the Democrats only deny it through their actions to preserve the capitalist status quo, approve drilling contracts, and obstruct the IPCC from recommending people eat a plant based diet. This is the nature of our economics and its political implication.
But if we don't eat them what will we do with all those cows?

More importantly,
If you don't eat yer meat, you can't have any pudding. How can you have any pudding if you don't eat yer meat?
Title: Re: This year may be biblical
Post by: tp4tissue on Thu, 10 August 2023, 17:55:58
But if we don't eat them what will we do with all those cows?

More importantly,
If you don't eat yer meat, you can't have any pudding. How can you have any pudding if you don't eat yer meat?

If that's what it takes, Tp4 hereby relinquishes all his pudding privileges so LLann can now haz pudding before or after any meal.

The Cow in the room is ruining everything, and we put them there. sigh....
Title: Re: This year may be biblical
Post by: tp4tissue on Fri, 11 August 2023, 09:51:28
The Maui twitter videos are heart breaking, bodies on the streets, those who escaped fire but not its smoke. sigh.......
Title: Re: This year may be biblical
Post by: tp4tissue on Thu, 17 August 2023, 15:41:21
This is pretty absurd.

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Title: Re: This year may be biblical
Post by: noisyturtle on Thu, 17 August 2023, 15:44:49
Problem is, when it gets around high 80s or more my brain jelly stops working properly and I kinda short circuit. The heat literally makes me dumber and slower.
Title: Re: This year may be biblical
Post by: tp4tissue on Fri, 18 August 2023, 12:02:28
Let's goh....!!

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Title: Re: This year may be biblical
Post by: Findecanor on Fri, 18 August 2023, 17:04:16
Here in Northern Europe, we've also had an unusual amount of rain in the past few weeks, causing flooding, rock/mudslides, collapsed bridges, collapsed or flooded roads, a derailed passenger train, ...

We're sooooooooo screwwwwed.. Guaranteed that's still an underestimate because our assumption for CAUSES of climate change is thoroughly unaddressed,   ANIMAL AGRICULTURE
• Land management, including plowing.
• Cement production.
• "Superpolluters" — Oil wells that just emit ridiculous amounts of natural gas instead of collecting it.

Animal agriculture is well known. But we'd need to put the arguing about going vegetarian vs. eating meat to the side for a minute, and start looking at what farmers should be doing to lower emissions from ruminants and animal dung.
If all animal farms took proper care of the dung they produced, that would go a long way.
Title: Re: This year may be biblical
Post by: tp4tissue on Sat, 19 August 2023, 06:58:13
Most scary graph, updates, synopsis; so record much high..

(https://i.imgur.com/hVaXskJ.gif)
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Title: Re: This year may be biblical
Post by: Rhienfo on Sat, 19 August 2023, 08:12:37
Most scary graph, updates, synopsis; so record much high..

Show Image
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 At this point every graph about climate change is scary...
Title: Re: This year may be biblical
Post by: tp4tissue on Sat, 19 August 2023, 08:13:19
Most scary graph, updates, synopsis; so record much high..

Show Image
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(Attachment Link)

 At this point every graph about climate change is scary...

(https://i.imgur.com/qRhszdm.gif)
Title: Re: This year may be biblical
Post by: fohat.digs on Sat, 19 August 2023, 14:22:23

At this point


No greater blunder ever made than when, in 2000, the US Supreme Court made the oil man president in preference to the environmentalist.
Title: Re: This year may be biblical
Post by: Findecanor on Sat, 19 August 2023, 17:15:29
No greater blunder ever made than when, in 2000, the US Supreme Court made the oil man president in preference to the environmentalist.
In 1992, his father was about to go to Rio and sign the UN Framework Convention on Climate Change, which in its form called for signatories binding agreements for actual reductions in CO₂ emissions.
Then he got a call from an old buddie in the oil industry ...

This led to the US demanding that any actual commitments be removed from the treaty.
And so they were.
Title: Re: This year may be biblical
Post by: tp4tissue on Sat, 19 August 2023, 17:26:52
No greater blunder ever made than when, in 2000, the US Supreme Court made the oil man president in preference to the environmentalist.
In 1992, his father was about to go to Rio and sign the UN Framework Convention on Climate Change, which in its form called for signatories binding agreements for actual reductions in CO₂ emissions.
Then he got a call from an old buddie in the oil industry ...

This led to the US demanding that any actual commitments be removed from the treaty.
And so they were.

I'm glad you guys are on the right side of the fence,  but keep in mind, OIL is a important but a SMALL fraction of what contributes to climate change.

Animal agriculture uses 43% of the earth surface to produce only 12% of the food we eat.

Fishing destroys 2.4 BILLION acres of underwater habitat through bottom trawling with 90 mile long nets, EVERY YEAR.  This is 1.25x the size of Australia, or the size of the Entire United states + Alaska.   THIS in turn only produces 3% of the food we eat.

Animal agriculture is responsible for at least 83% of the green house gasses, when land use, nitrogen, methane and the deficit of trees is taken into account.


Plant Food is grown on 12% of the earths surface, 6% is animal feed, 3% is biofuel,  3% is PLANT FOODS that we actually eat

This 3% accounts for 85% of all the food humans eat.

By choosing to eat meat, we are actively making the choice to destroy the planet. 


IPCC
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Title: Re: This year may be biblical
Post by: tp4tissue on Mon, 21 August 2023, 05:35:48
What happens when you have to evacuate 20,000 people from yellowknife, and extend disruption for a few months.

Even if we conservatively say, every person uses up $2000 worth of supplies, $5000 worth of productivity loss. That's $140 Million dollars.

Then factor in the un-utilized equipment / capital on the ground,   the damage is well into the $Billions even if no one died,  if they die, that's conservatively $250,000 to 1 million per person.

If the fire takes out the city, oh boy, 100s of $billions


Ontop of the 20k being evacuated, an additional 35k are on evacuation (alert).


This is why insurance companies are pulling out, the damages will be impossible to cover.
Title: Re: This year may be biblical
Post by: fohat.digs on Mon, 21 August 2023, 07:45:32

This is why insurance companies are pulling out, the damages will be impossible to cover.


I foresee an epic restructuring (re-conceptualizing?) of the insurance industry in coming years. My greatest fear is that my side ("the Left") will allow itself to get sucked into an ever-increasing death spiral of providing "re-insurance" as actual insurance companies bail out of climate-sensitive areas in droves.

Pulling people out of the water is a reasonable expectation for a governmental agency, but paying to rebuild their houses is absolutely not a viable governmental function, in my opinion.
Title: Re: This year may be biblical
Post by: tp4tissue on Wed, 23 August 2023, 08:22:33
When they say 800 people missing in maui fai, do they mean they all burned to death, or are they just displaced and are on the other islands?
Title: Re: This year may be biblical
Post by: tp4tissue on Thu, 24 August 2023, 11:36:34
No New Normal ?

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Title: Re: This year may be biblical
Post by: tp4tissue on Thu, 24 August 2023, 14:40:44
Swear to god, accuweather is just making these numbers up now. wth ??

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Title: Re: This year may be biblical
Post by: Findecanor on Thu, 24 August 2023, 16:22:16
In my neighbourhood in Sweden, flowers are in bloom ... as if it was May again. Weird.
Title: Re: This year may be biblical
Post by: tp4tissue on Fri, 25 August 2023, 06:18:18
Between 7000-10,000 Emperor-penguin chicks have perished due to record low sea-ice during a critical period when they have not shed their floofy feathers and could not properly swim. Scientists posit in all likelihood they drowned due to the waterlogged outer coat. Satellite image confirms 2 large colonies were no longer present, all water.

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Title: Re: This year may be biblical
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Climate change isn't real. /Florida

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Title: Re: This year may be biblical
Post by: fohat.digs on Wed, 30 August 2023, 17:48:13

Florida


I recommend that people who are wanting to see Florida do it sooner rather than later.
Title: Re: This year may be biblical
Post by: tp4tissue on Thu, 31 August 2023, 17:59:54

Florida


I recommend that people who are wanting to see Florida do it sooner rather than later.


You're a liar,  that water is supposed to be over the river. God says use boats instead of cars.

Learn to swim you damn socialist.
Title: Re: This year may be biblical
Post by: Rhienfo on Thu, 31 August 2023, 18:05:31
I recommend that people who are wanting to see Florida do it sooner rather than later.

And Venice and all the low lying areas as well.


You're a liar,  that water is supposed to be over the river. God says use boats instead of cars.

Learn to swim you damn socialist.


I mean God didn't ask noah to make a car, so he always was saying that I guess...
Title: Re: This year may be biblical
Post by: tp4tissue on Thu, 31 August 2023, 19:26:45
And Venice and all the low lying areas as well.


Venice had this moldy smell.
Title: Re: This year may be biblical
Post by: Findecanor on Fri, 01 September 2023, 02:37:17
I made sure to visit Venice while it was possible. There, I learned that Venice got flooded regularly, and they had hourly flooding forecasts. I planned my day to visit St Marcus square in the morning, while workers were deploying raised walkways in preparation for when the place was going to be flooded in the afternoon.
At least Venice is low and flat, being flooded gently by the sea broken by large sand banks a distance away, not subject to roaring rivers breaking its boundaries and sweeping houses with it.
Title: Re: This year may be biblical
Post by: Rhienfo on Fri, 01 September 2023, 02:47:34
I made sure to visit Venice while it was possible. There, I learned that Venice got flooded regularly, and they had hourly flooding forecasts. I planned my day to visit St Marcus square in the morning, while workers were deploying raised walkways in preparation for when the place was going to be flooded in the afternoon.
At least Venice is low and flat, being flooded gently by the sea broken by large sand banks a distance away, not subject to roaring rivers breaking its boundaries and sweeping houses with it.

The thing is with venice is that when I would want to visit it might just be flooded so most likely I will never visit venice, plus not enough money to go everywhere so have to pick and choose.
Title: Re: This year may be biblical
Post by: Findecanor on Fri, 01 September 2023, 04:35:20
The thing is with venice is that when I would want to visit it might just be flooded so most likely I will never visit venice, plus not enough money to go everywhere so have to pick and choose.
I visited it only briefly during a two-week trip on a European rail pass.Travelling that way made it relatively affordable per city, and the rail pass itself does not require a fixed itinerary (but hotels and seat reservations often need to be booked in advance, which I did, for comfort).
But of course it also helped that I had started in Europe in the first place.
Title: Re: This year may be biblical
Post by: tp4tissue on Fri, 01 September 2023, 05:58:09
I made sure to visit Venice while it was possible. There, I learned that Venice got flooded regularly, and they had hourly flooding forecasts. I planned my day to visit St Marcus square in the morning, while workers were deploying raised walkways in preparation for when the place was going to be flooded in the afternoon.
At least Venice is low and flat, being flooded gently by the sea broken by large sand banks a distance away, not subject to roaring rivers breaking its boundaries and sweeping houses with it.

With Climate Change they've had the opposite problem lately, too little water. The river bed started to smell like rotting sewage ontop of the regular moldiness.
Title: Re: This year may be biblical
Post by: tp4tissue on Fri, 01 September 2023, 21:05:16
MIT Press:

The ocean is changing colors, the rate meets and exceeds models which predict anthropogenic impact on ocean coloration which is a reflection (refraction) of its internal biome.

That is to say, we're mucking it up.

When a human holds his breath, he turn blue.

The ocean, this body of water is the blood of the earth, it's not there by accident, it is the working fluid, which all LIFE on the planet depends on to carry out essential processes. This liquid is maintained and ONLY EXISTS because of a biometric balance/ contract between ALL living organisms on this planet, from bacteria to trees to whale.

Humanity has significantly distorted, overstepped our ecological role.
Title: Re: This year may be biblical
Post by: Findecanor on Sat, 02 September 2023, 04:43:17
Many people are unaware that it is algae in the ocean that does most of the photosynthesis of carbon dioxide to oxygen.
Not that plants on land aren't important.

But both forests and oceans have operational limits both in carbon dioxide level and temperatur, at which their ability to process carbon dioxide will be severely diminished.
Title: Re: This year may be biblical
Post by: tp4tissue on Sat, 02 September 2023, 05:48:55
Many people are unaware that it is algae in the ocean that does most of the photosynthesis of carbon dioxide to oxygen.
Not that plants on land aren't important.

But both forests and oceans have operational limits both in carbon dioxide level and temperatur, at which their ability to process carbon dioxide will be severely diminished.

Yup,  we're destroying the entire ocean on a scale far greater than even our wanton rain-forest burning to raise cattle.

85% of the food we eat comes from PLANTS, it is grown on 6% of the dry surface of the earth.

12% is beef pork chicken, cattles,  using 43% of the dry earth surface.

3% is fish, bottom trawling using 90 mile long drag nets, destroying 4 Billion acres underwater. Out of sight, out of mind.

The vast majority of the fish caught are Bycatch, including dolphin, whale, non-target fish, these are thrown overboard, DEAD.

80-99% of all sharks have been killed as the result of bycatch.

90 mile long drag nets, the area larger than the continental US every year.

Commercial fishing kills 2.7 TRILLION fish every year.

Title: Re: This year may be biblical
Post by: Rhienfo on Wed, 06 September 2023, 18:50:28
Watched a video about cultural burning, something used by the indigenous population of Australia.

It's where you burn certain parts of the environment at certain times. Similar to backburning but with more of an understanding of the land and when we should do it. It helps reduce forest fires while minimising damage and allowing the flora of Australia should grow more. The way they do it is quite interesting, the elders in the video have such a comprehensive understanding of the environment and where to burn. Think more countries (including Australia) should learn about the environment and to properly backburn to prevent the massively insane fires that do so much damage to the natural fauna and flora.   

Title: Re: This year may be biblical
Post by: tp4tissue on Wed, 06 September 2023, 19:33:31
Watched a video about cultural burning, something used by the indigenous population of Australia.

It's where you burn certain parts of the environment at certain times. Similar to backburning but with more of an understanding of the land and when we should do it. It helps reduce forest fires while minimising damage and allowing the flora of Australia should grow more. The way they do it is quite interesting, the elders in the video have such a comprehensive understanding of the environment and where to burn. Think more countries (including Australia) should learn about the environment and to properly backburn to prevent the massively insane fires that do so much damage to the natural fauna and flora.   

The Indigenous Indians of America which we genocided to become the United States also have Brush burns.  They understood it with more mysticism, but the effect is the same as this Australian Cultural Burn.

Title: Re: This year may be biblical
Post by: Rhienfo on Wed, 06 September 2023, 23:33:23
The Indigenous Indians of America which we genocided to become the United States also have Brush burns.  They understood it with more mysticism, but the effect is the same as this Australian Cultural Burn.

Oh that's pretty interesting. It's sad how we take care of our planet less now than we were doing for thousands of years before. And the people who knew the most about their environment were killed and oppressed by people who had no regard for the land that these people inhabited.

I remember environmentalists were telling the sydney government to just back burn so potential fires don't spread out of control and the they were like piss off in 2018-2019. Look where that got us...
Title: Re: This year may be biblical
Post by: fohat.digs on Thu, 07 September 2023, 08:54:27
We are so accustomed to houses and roads that we forget a world that is mostly wooded. I imagine that a significant part of it was just to clear out obstructions.

Would you enjoy walking around near-naked through an ocean of sticker bushes? And even at that, today we have good sharp steel machetes.
Title: Re: This year may be biblical
Post by: fohat.digs on Fri, 13 October 2023, 11:15:07
Here we are.

Title: Re: This year may be biblical
Post by: tp4tissue on Tue, 17 October 2023, 18:06:58
Barber shop chat today.  We're sleepwalking into oblivion, the average human is so clueless, it hurts.

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Title: Re: This year may be biblical
Post by: mohawk1367 on Wed, 18 October 2023, 07:43:27
Barber shop chat today.  We're sleepwalking into oblivion, the average human is so clueless, it hurts.

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tp4 should run for political offices
Title: Re: This year may be biblical
Post by: fohat.digs on Wed, 18 October 2023, 08:24:52

run for political office


Al Gore, my Senator from Tennessee at the time, wrote a bestseller, https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/104286.Earth_in_the_Balance (https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/104286.Earth_in_the_Balance) , over 30 years ago - and look where it got him.
Title: Re: This year may be biblical
Post by: mohawk1367 on Wed, 18 October 2023, 08:27:04
tru **** is rigged.
whoever benefits the rich most is who gets elected usually... how convenient
Title: Re: This year may be biblical
Post by: fohat.digs on Wed, 18 October 2023, 08:35:25

benefits the rich most is who gets elected usually


They can only influence people who believe what they hear on TV.
Title: Re: This year may be biblical
Post by: Rhienfo on Wed, 18 October 2023, 17:38:30
tru **** is rigged.

In the case of al gore it was the most blatant rigging of an election, like they cause a riot in order to stop votes being counted, which would've favoured gore and made him win.

Also funny how just 20 years ago, florida was a swing state leaning towards democrat.
Title: Re: This year may be biblical
Post by: fohat.digs on Fri, 05 January 2024, 16:41:42
What is wrong with this picture?
Title: Re: This year may be biblical
Post by: tp4tissue on Fri, 05 January 2024, 17:26:35
The straw that breaks the camel's back.

We're in the snap now.
Title: Re: This year may be biblical
Post by: mohawk1367 on Tue, 09 January 2024, 06:43:34
What is wrong with this picture?

idk this looks like a scientific drawing of a tide pod
Title: Re: This year may be biblical
Post by: tp4tissue on Sun, 21 January 2024, 12:45:30
Climate change linked to spread of diarrhoeal illness: temperature, day length and humidity have been found to be linked to the increased spread of a diarrhoeal illness

Sigh..... here we go.
Title: Re: This year may be biblical
Post by: mohawk1367 on Mon, 22 January 2024, 06:42:56
Climate change linked to spread of diarrhoeal illness: temperature, day length and humidity have been found to be linked to the increased spread of a diarrhoeal illness

Sigh..... here we go.


Seasonal diarrhea
Title: Re: This year may be biblical
Post by: mohawk1367 on Mon, 12 February 2024, 07:28:07
ah do u guys think we'll be able to like, live a full normal life or will the world go to **** before then
Title: Re: This year may be biblical
Post by: tp4tissue on Mon, 12 February 2024, 07:48:38
It won't be like it is now. If you think back to 1930s worth of conveniences and resources, it'll be something like that for a while if we SURVIVE at all.

At worst, we'll be back to the stone age within a few months.  All our reactors would've melted down because they only have a week or 2 of diesel backup for the cooling pools and pumps.  It's the equivalent of up to 10,000x chernobyls worth of radiation going up into the atmosphere in a very short time.   The northern hemisphere will lose most large animals.

It would've been nice to do the whole, sunny camping movies, without zombies, and the happy looking tribes, but that is 100% certain not possible when we've already poisoned our world with nuclear.

I suspect, LIFE will survive and can reset in a few million years, but it's unlikely that humanity would survive.

There are calculations that say most children born today are unlikely to live to adulthood when climate change hits the fan.
Title: Re: This year may be biblical
Post by: mohawk1367 on Mon, 12 February 2024, 08:30:22
It won't be like it is now. If you think back to 1930s worth of conveniences and resources, it'll be something like that for a while if we SURVIVE at all.

At worst, we'll be back to the stone age within a few months.  All our reactors would've melted down because they only have a week or 2 of diesel backup for the cooling pools and pumps.  It's the equivalent of up to 10,000x chernobyls worth of radiation going up into the atmosphere in a very short time.   The northern hemisphere will lose most large animals.

It would've been nice to do the whole, sunny camping movies, without zombies, and the happy looking tribes, but that is 100% certain not possible when we've already poisoned our world with nuclear.

I suspect, LIFE will survive and can reset in a few million years, but it's unlikely that humanity would survive.

There are calculations that say most children born today are unlikely to live to adulthood when climate change hits the fan.


without zombies??? are u implying we're gonna have zombies? lol
Title: Re: This year may be biblical
Post by: fohat.digs on Mon, 12 February 2024, 09:12:33

It won't be like it is now.


A large portion of the world's population lives near the ocean, and you should expect the sea level to rise a couple of meters in your lifetime.

Global warming will dramatically alter agriculture and where and when food resources can be grown and harvested. Seafood, especially large pelagic fishes, will become precious.

Populations of plants and animals will collapse and diversity will shrink considerably. Hopefully, a significant amount of wild nature can be preserved in pockets around the world ....

Wild temperature swings will be common as atmospheric and ocean currents that have reliably conveyed heat around the globe for eons falter and become unpredictable.

And don't forget that the sun occasionally erupts in gigantic flares of radiation, and that we have not seen once since the dawn of the "electric age" a century ago.

These were "standard" predictions for dystopian writing in the past, and assumed to be possibilities for the distant future. But that future is rapidly (abruptly?) appearing before our eyes, and yet huge swaths of the population remain in denial. I may or may not live to see Miami under water, but, like you, my children will see enormous change.

It will not be possible to escape the problems altogether, but you should carefully consider where to live your life, and ensure that it is a region that is less prone to the "great" catastrophes such as floods, fires, hurricanes, tornadoes, earthquakes (and why aren't we seeing more of these yet? Global Warming must be causing the crust of the Earth to expand, and I would have guessed that there would be more cracks .... ) I am tired of making myself sick so I will stop typing this list.

The human race has been a colossal  FAIL  in its responsibility for the stewardship of the planet.

I have maintained my sanity throughout my life by keeping an attitude of optimism and avoiding cynicism as much as possible, but it has been getting stretched thin in recent years. There are generally 2 schools of thought: (1) everything is going to hell so I have to grab as much as I can while I still have the chance, and (2) we are all in this together and only by cooperation can the problems of the world be ameliorated. I have always been in group 2. I believe that we can only "feel good about ourselves" under this principle and it is the only way to live a good life, in my opinion. People in group 1 will always feel empty inside.
 
But you have to play the cards that you are dealt.

ps - never dwell on the past or fret over what could have been, even though humans have been fantasizing over "time machines" for centuries - don't waste your time!
Title: Re: This year may be biblical
Post by: mohawk1367 on Mon, 12 February 2024, 09:16:11

It won't be like it is now.


A large portion of the world's population lives near the ocean, and you should expect the sea level to rise a couple of meters in your lifetime.

Global warming will dramatically alter agriculture and where and when food resources can be grown and harvested. Seafood, especially large pelagic fishes, will become precious.

Populations of plants and animals will collapse and diversity will shrink considerably. Hopefully, a significant amount of wild nature can be preserved in pockets around the world ....

Wild temperature swings will be common as atmospheric and ocean currents that have reliably conveyed heat around the globe for eons falter and become unpredictable.

And don't forget that the sun occasionally erupts in gigantic flares of radiation, and that we have not seen once since the dawn of the "electric age" a century ago.

These were "standard" predictions for dystopian writing in the past, and assumed to be possibilities for the distant future. But that future is rapidly (abruptly?) appearing before our eyes, and yet huge swaths of the population remain in denial. I may or may not live to see Miami under water, but, like you, my children will see enormous change.

It will not be possible to escape the problems altogether, but you should carefully consider where to live your life, and ensure that it is a region that is less prone to the "great" catastrophes such as floods, fires, hurricanes, tornadoes, earthquakes (and why aren't we seeing more of these yet? Global Warming must be causing the crust of the Earth to expand, and I would have guessed that there would be more cracks .... ) I am tired of making myself sick so I will stop typing this list.

The human race has been a colossal  FAIL  in its responsibility for the stewardship of the planet.

I have maintained my sanity throughout my life by keeping an attitude of optimism and avoiding cynicism as much as possible, but it has been getting stretched thin in recent years. There are generally 2 schools of thought: (1) everything is going to hell so I have to grab as much as I can while I still have the chance, and (2) we are all in this together and only by cooperation can the problems of the world be ameliorated. I have always been in group 2. I believe that we can only "feel good about ourselves" under this principle and it is the only way to live a good life, in my opinion. People in group 1 will always feel empty inside.
 
But you have to play the cards that you are dealt.

ps - never dwell on the past or fret over what could have been, even though humans have been fantasizing over "time machines" for centuries - don't waste your time!

i feel lucky that my area has been called a "climate haven". i hate my boring city but I've never been in a natural disaster or anything so that's cool
Title: Re: This year may be biblical
Post by: Rhienfo on Mon, 12 February 2024, 15:16:11
The human race has been a colossal  FAIL  in its responsibility for the stewardship of the planet.

I have maintained my sanity throughout my life by keeping an attitude of optimism and avoiding cynicism as much as possible, but it has been getting stretched thin in recent years. There are generally 2 schools of thought: (1) everything is going to hell so I have to grab as much as I can while I still have the chance, and (2) we are all in this together and only by cooperation can the problems of the world be ameliorated. I have always been in group 2. I believe that we can only "feel good about ourselves" under this principle and it is the only way to live a good life, in my opinion. People in group 1 will always feel empty inside.
 
But you have to play the cards that you are dealt.

ps - never dwell on the past or fret over what could have been, even though humans have been fantasizing over "time machines" for centuries - don't waste your time!


yeah I agree with you about collective action is the only solution to fix everything, the only problem currently is that boomers as whole are the most entitled and complacent generation alive that still has power in a lot of countries, and that results in barely any to 0 progress, we do need younger people in power who actually care about the future of the planet, but boomers are so selfish they won't wanna give up that power, which is why they haven't done age limits/term limits in the us at least.

Title: Re: This year may be biblical
Post by: fohat.digs on Mon, 12 February 2024, 16:42:06

boomers as whole are the most entitled and complacent generation alive that still has power in a lot of countries

we do need younger people in power who actually care about the future of the planet

why they haven't done age limits/term limits in the us at least.


As an archetypical Baby Boomer (born when the rulers of the world were Truman, Churchill, and Stalin) I feel compelled to protest part of this characterization.

From my perspective, the tail end of my generation and (at least) the first half of the next most closely fit your description. Those of us who came of age in "The Space Age" came up in an era of exhilaration and optimism, while (in the US at least) those immediately behind us who awakened into the post-Vietnam, post-Nixon age of miasma and cynicism. In my opinion, in general, people born between the early-1960s and the mid-late-1980s are the ones who are the most cynical and pessimistic.

Age and term limits are not a panacea in the US because of the absurd and arcane political system that our Founders saddled us with. Although our original documents are generally excellent and perhaps some of the premier examples of the "Age of Enlightenment" they are also riddled with "poison pills" and concessions to the slave states which evolved up to today, and, in particular, give small states inordinate power.

It takes tremendous experience and skill to navigate that labyrinth, and is why President Biden, in spite of his age, has been able to accomplish monumental gains in a wide variety of venues. Possibly the greatest dis-information we see in the US today is pretending that Biden has not been a masterful leader who has made great advances across the board. And never forget that his "Inflation Reduction Act" was really a HUGE climate change plan.
Title: Re: This year may be biblical
Post by: noisyturtle on Mon, 12 February 2024, 17:09:30
Feb is not even over yet, and the trees are starting to bloom and the spring creatures are coming out already.
Title: Re: This year may be biblical
Post by: Leslieann on Mon, 12 February 2024, 17:51:08
ah do u guys think we'll be able to like, live a full normal life or will the world go to **** before then
It's estimated our population will peak at 10Bil and crash to 2Bil.

Are you rich?
If not you won't live a full normal life. This and old folks are a big part of the problem, the old don't want to change and the rich can just buy their way out of a lot of it (or at least they think they can, no Elon, fleeing to Mars is not going to be better).

Sh*t's about to get real.
You aren't going to shed 80% of the population in a few decades without some insanity.
Title: Re: This year may be biblical
Post by: noisyturtle on Mon, 12 February 2024, 18:09:04
ah do u guys think we'll be able to like, live a full normal life or will the world go to **** before then
It's estimated our population will peak at 10Bil and crash to 2Bil.

Are you rich?
If not you won't live a full normal life. This and old folks are a big part of the problem, the old don't want to change and the rich can just buy their way out of a lot of it (or at least they think they can, no Elon, fleeing to Mars is not going to be better).

Sh*t's about to get real.
You aren't going to shed 80% of the population in a few decades without some insanity.

I think once people in their 40's and 50s now realize they will never be able retire. Most younger people already have succumbed to working and struggling for the rest of their life with no retirement. Kids under 25 are so broken and depressed, and they do not have the tools to deal with small issues, so I'm constantly seeing younger people not be able to handle small situations or when one little thing goes wrong in their day, they just lose their **** like it is the end of everything. I suppose the numbness to that will come with age.

I expect suicide rates to keep increasing in the next few decades and people continuing to ignore that issue, although I am surprised drinking and drug use has gone down amongst young people.
Title: Re: This year may be biblical
Post by: Leslieann on Mon, 12 February 2024, 20:48:33
I am surprised drinking and drug use has gone down amongst young people.
They can't afford it.
Title: Re: This year may be biblical
Post by: noisyturtle on Mon, 12 February 2024, 21:09:59
I am surprised drinking and drug use has gone down amongst young people.
They can't afford it.

I see a general push towards healthy lifestyles with teen-twenty somethings. A good percentage of them regularly go to the gym or workout, a huge percentage vape but analogue smoking is rare. But they are also severely stressed out. I know multiple people in their early-mid 20s who are on blood pressure meds, and one guy had a stroke at 22.


I also apologize for my reflective tone lately. As I rapidly approach middle age I've never felt older and more separated from those I considered my peers. You never think you will be the older person at work, then you turn around and you ****in' are.
Title: Re: This year may be biblical
Post by: fohat.digs on Tue, 13 February 2024, 08:27:10

I also apologize for my reflective tone lately. As I rapidly approach middle age I've never felt older and more separated from those I considered my peers. You never think you will be the older person at work, then you turn around and you ****in' are.


I hear you. I will be 72 this year, my 7th Year of the Dragon. Life is not fun when you are cynical, "Don't Worry, Be Happy"
Title: Re: This year may be biblical
Post by: Leslieann on Tue, 13 February 2024, 17:47:56
A good percentage of them regularly go to the gym or workout, a huge percentage vape
Going to be useless if their lungs are trashed by 30.
Vaping is going to be as big of an issue as smoking and alcohol have been as these people age, probably way worse as people see it as less dangerous (highly doubtful), every bit as addictive and most treat it like candy (especially when it's candy flavored).

With alcohol and cigarettes you see how much you're using and can take stock of it, vape, they just consume without any direct indication of how much until it runs out of juice. It's almost like a bottomless drink or pack of cigarettes. There's no way that isn't going to lead to problems later.
Title: Re: This year may be biblical
Post by: mohawk1367 on Wed, 14 February 2024, 06:43:32
I am surprised drinking and drug use has gone down amongst young people.
They can't afford it.

I see a general push towards healthy lifestyles with teen-twenty somethings. A good percentage of them regularly go to the gym or workout, a huge percentage vape but analogue smoking is rare. But they are also severely stressed out. I know multiple people in their early-mid 20s who are on blood pressure meds, and one guy had a stroke at 22.


I also apologize for my reflective tone lately. As I rapidly approach middle age I've never felt older and more separated from those I considered my peers. You never think you will be the older person at work, then you turn around and you ****in' are.
im 17 and theres been a serious bubble in kids my age (especially males) working out and pursuing a more fit lifestyle. with the popularity of memes like zyzz and "mogging" (idk if you're too old to know what that is lol) i think theree are a lot more kids my age working out. the downside is that theres also been a lot of younger people taking steroids and performance enhancers

id say a good 70-80% of my classmates are still blazed out of their minds in homeroom though.
Title: Re: This year may be biblical
Post by: fohat.digs on Wed, 14 February 2024, 09:00:25
I was extremely fortunate to have come up at the tail end of the "old world" where I received an excellent education in the public school system (including rigorous phys ed at least 3 days per week through high school (and the first 2 years of college)) and generally stayed healthy and fit without much extra effort (until my mid-30s). My mother prepared our meals from scratch with mostly fresh ingredients, and I strived to continue to do that with my children.

Growing up in a mid-sized city in "Middle America" and being in the "good kids" circle I graduated from high school having never seen or smelled marijuana. Nor did I drink or do anything else illicit until I got to college. We got a color TV in the mid-1960s for the family, but I did not get a TV for myself until my last year in college. Needless to say, I have been a voracious reader my entire life. Our kids were avid readers until they got their (gasp) "smart" phones at age 12.

My ex-wife and I did everything we could to bring our kids up in as similar and protected an environment as possible, and I think that we generally succeeded as much as can be accomplished in the age of the interwebs - which is to say not "not nearly as much" as we wanted.

ps - you know that you are getting old when your kids start saying "I just don't know about the kids these days .... "
Title: Re: This year may be biblical
Post by: mohawk1367 on Wed, 14 February 2024, 09:10:18
I was extremely fortunate to have come up at the tail end of the "old world" where I received an excellent education in the public school system (including rigorous phys ed at least 3 days per week through high school (and the first 2 years of college)) and generally stayed healthy and fit without much extra effort. My mother prepared our meals from scratch with mostly fresh ingredients.

Growing up in a mid-sized city in "Middle America" and being in the "good kids" circle I graduated from high school having never seen or smelled marijuana. Nor did I drink or do anything else illicit until I got to college. We got a color TV in the mid-1960s for the family, but I did not get a TV for myself until my last year in college. Needless to say, I have been a voracious reader my entire life.

My ex-wife and I did everything we could to bring our kids up in as similar an environment as possible, and I think that we generally succeeded as much as can be accomplished in the age of the interwebs - which is to say not "not nearly as much" as we wanted.

You know that you are getting old when your kids start saying "I just don't know about the kids these days .... "

I know that every generation has been saying this since the beginning of time but I seriously do think kids these days are mostly awful lol. my school building is high school and middle school in one building so I have first-hand experience since I'm interacting with middle schoolers daily and there's just a clear cutoff where the kids are just so disrespectful and out of touch. even my teachers talk about how terrible they are. ik its not right to say this about a literal child but they just aren't good people. hopefully, they grow out of it but I don't know man
Title: Re: This year may be biblical
Post by: fohat.digs on Wed, 14 February 2024, 09:47:19

kids these days are mostly awful


I did not realize it at the time, and managed to graduate out shortly before it really started to take effect, but immediately after Brown vs Board of Education there began an insidious and profoundly cynical effort to degrade the youth of America by corroding the educational system, espoused by people like James McGill Buchanan and Lewis Powell, to name 2 of the most infamous.

Another thing that has had an extremely deleterious effect is that religion, in general, rather than progressing and evolving to meet the needs of a changing world, has been backsliding into its most stupid expressions of miasma and fundamentalism. Children are fleeing organized religion in droves, for good reason, but there are few easy destinations to provide them refuge. Some of us have spent our lifetimes contemplating our spiritual place in the universe, but that is neither simple nor quickly realized. Read about the Founding Fathers and you understand that they already recognized that the religions of their day were moribund and they knew full well that the wall of separation between church and state was essential to creating a successful nation.

The one-word solution to righting the wrongs of the world is "co-operation" but that is anathema to exploiters, who thrive on chaos.
Title: Re: This year may be biblical
Post by: tp4tissue on Wed, 14 February 2024, 09:54:21
The one-word solution to righting the wrongs of the world is "co-operation" but that is anathema to exploiters, who thrive on chaos.

Tp4 has thought about this good guy , bad guy  situation for a long while. If bad guys were entirely deleterious, nature would not allow for their continued existence.  That is to say, Cancer must have an evolutionary purpose.

We can't say with absolute certainty that Exploitation is without purpose.  Because of intra-humanity bandwidth limit, Any realistic control system will produce waste heat.

At this point, yes, we agree, that waste heat is too excessive, and we probably will not survive the next 50 years. But, it's important not to get into the mindset that if we SIMPLY snapped our fingers, and got rid of all the, PEOPLE WE DON'T LIKE,   it would be a better world.

Idiocy has something to teach us, even if reduced to the point of how not to be idiots.

Annex -- Tp4 would like to believe that the value of Idiocy is in mental stability. It's unlikely our hardware/software brain side is designed to manage the problems modern humans face, such situations create undue stress on the system,  SOME QUANTITY, of deliberate ignorance is necessary to balance that load.
Title: Re: This year may be biblical
Post by: noisyturtle on Wed, 14 February 2024, 16:15:47
Selfishness and entitlement are two narratives being heavily pushed right now. The carrot of 'easy money fast' is dangled via the lens of social media, and people are no longer living together. It is more of an inconvenience that you are in their world, and everyone thinks they are the main character.
Title: Re: This year may be biblical
Post by: fohat.digs on Wed, 14 February 2024, 16:52:55

everyone thinks they are the main character.


aka everyone imagines that he is God

Once I began to conceptualize the Planet Earth as a single living organism, it "changed everything" for me.

Putting on blinders to focus on accumulating wealth and/or power almost certainly vacuums up much of the time and effort that could be used to enjoy life, love, art, music, literature, and anything else that actually makes you feel good.

What makes you feel good about yourself, and about life in general?

Do more of THAT. You might find that it involves enjoying life along with other people.
Title: Re: This year may be biblical
Post by: fohat.digs on Sun, 25 February 2024, 12:21:20
Thwaites glacier holds 65 cm of sea level rise.

This past week:

Title: Re: This year may be biblical
Post by: tp4tissue on Sun, 25 February 2024, 15:21:20
Thwaites glacier holds 65 cm of sea level rise.

This past week:

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Title: Re: This year may be biblical
Post by: tp4tissue on Mon, 26 February 2024, 14:14:51
Mexico City, already doing Fury Road.  Don't get addicted to water. 

Crisis point estimate 4 months. 

They are already rationing, 2 days of tap water at a time, here and there, then none.

Ontop of,  Sinking @ a rate of 20 inch a year, due to overextraction of the aquifer. They're built on wet clay. The spanish were morons.  The Aztecs they killed off knew how to build and work with the water, canals, drainage, etc.  The spanish came, drained the water, and essentially created all the flood and parch problems that Mexico City has today.
Title: Re: This year may be biblical
Post by: fohat.digs on Wed, 28 February 2024, 16:37:14
Here today it went from 70F/21C to 45F/7C in 8 hours.

ps - that was during daylight hours

Title: Re: This year may be biblical
Post by: tp4tissue on Wed, 28 February 2024, 16:46:05
It only takes a few crop failures, and then, Fury Road.
Title: Re: This year may be biblical
Post by: tp4tissue on Wed, 28 February 2024, 22:30:11
There' gon' be mega storms this year for sure.

One should prepare for the overwhelming moist.

We have 4 months left to prepare.


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Title: Re: This year may be biblical
Post by: mohawk1367 on Thu, 29 February 2024, 06:52:19
Here today it went from 70F/21C to 45F/7C in 8 hours.
it was warm yesterday and then this morning there's ice and snow everywhere lol
this is normal for my area tho to be honest
Title: Re: This year may be biblical
Post by: tp4tissue on Mon, 11 March 2024, 10:37:11
They tested placentas, yup, found microplastic.

https://www.popularmechanics.com/science/a46993585/microplastics-human-placenta/
Title: Re: This year may be biblical
Post by: mohawk1367 on Tue, 12 March 2024, 06:42:51
They tested placentas, yup, found microplastic.

https://www.popularmechanics.com/science/a46993585/microplastics-human-placenta/
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Title: Re: This year may be biblical
Post by: tp4tissue on Tue, 12 March 2024, 10:34:07
If you live in the Philippines, /Move. Losses are already projected @ 3% of GDP in the Philippines.

Projections across the board for all countries may increase to 7-10% mid-century if nothing is done, as is currently the case..

Why move, why not stay and fight, because the problems aren't caused by the phillipines population, even if they did everything right, we americans will (likely) produce enough ecological strain to wipe out climate sensitive nations.

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Title: Re: This year may be biblical
Post by: kurplop on Tue, 12 March 2024, 16:27:02
I know that many people are concerned about the state of our planet, specifically our oceans,  and many of those people are angry about what they feel is an anemic response to this so-called crisis. Not being a research scientist or climatologist, I have little to add to that discussion. I often hear anecdotes about novel crises that spawn even more stories of disaster and doom, but a quick search of the worst hurricane disasters in history suggest that we’re not hearing a balanced representation of the effects of the climate change we are now experiencing.

Living in the US, my first search was to find the deadliest hurricanes in US history. Here’s what I found
 https://www.wunderground.com/hurricane/articles/deadliest-us-hurricanes
Anyone reading this data will probably be surprised that 93% of hurricane deaths (23,176) occurred during the first half of the recorded history of US hurricane deaths (1856-1940). A relatively small 2635 deaths occurred from 1940 to present. If we consider the population of the US in the first half to be roughly one third of the population in the second, the contrast is even more apparent. This doesn't seem to correspond with greenhouse gas levels which, I'm told, have been rising since the dawn of the Industrial Revolution.

A similar search of global hurricane deaths and destruction also leave the waters of analysis murky at best.
https://www.ranker.com/list/10-biggest-deadliest-most-destructive-hurricane_s-ever-/jeff419
There seems to be little that can be plotted by this data. The hurricanes intensity don’t seem to be directly related to the lost lives and damage numbers. Perhaps one short to long time solution is to be wiser about building in areas subject to potential climate change damage.

I don’t mean to take too lightly environmental changes but I think there is a more imminent danger in ignoring other factors which affect the inhabitants of this big sphere that we all call home. In California where I live, we are currently enjoying an almost perfect climate but that is rarely mentioned in climate discussions. The cyclical and predictable drought we had is gone, and rain and snow has filled our reservours to near capacity. Intelligent infrastructure improvements would allow our depleted aquifers to be replenished if we had the funds that have been committed to other needs. Unfortunately, California is leading the way as environmental crusaders and it is costing Californians dearly in its strident march for a "cause" that is having an insignificant or no positive effect in California or the rest of the world.

The gas the rest of the States are paying $3.50 for is costing us $5.00. We enjoy the privilege of giving Sacramento among the highest income and sales tax rates in the nation. As a former business owner, I know how onerous the excessive regulations and red tape are here. Anyone wondering why 78,000 tech jobs left The Golden State last year have only to look at its policies. This year the projected budget shortfall mess will cost each man, woman and child an extra $1,500 to clean up. If you’re a starving student with $75,000 in school debt, will you be able to pay your share? There is even talk of adding a tax if you move out of the state. Sounds almost like a debtors’s prison.  How can something like this happen in a State that has the best weather, great natural harbors, a great location for trade, an abundance of natural resources and almost endless fertile land?

The answer is clear: trying to do too much too quickly. Reasonable changes are good. Well meaning but poorly thought out plans will likely fail. I bring up California because it is a bellwether for the rest of the world. If California can fail, so can your state or country. Unfortunately, as California goes, so goes the rest of the US. Take a look at our national debt clock.    https://www.usdebtclock.org/    While we study changes in oceans that are measured in inches over decades, the US economy is collapsing at a rate of two million dollars a minute. Money isn't everything, unless you don't have any. Talk about an existential threat!
Title: Re: This year may be biblical
Post by: tp4tissue on Tue, 12 March 2024, 16:35:52
@ kurploplo,  the reason most deaths are concentrated earlier is because today we have early warning and better built structures that follow a storm code.

2023, a single flood killed 11,000-20,000 people in Libya. Biblical no? (no advanced warning, no technology for storm structure)

Cost of living is a number they can change, it looks bad, but it's just greed, all money is printed.

The 1.5C Paris target is already completely unattainable, we're looking at projections between 2.5 - 5 C,   This is HELL ON EARTH.  This is beyond greed, this is endemic stupidity.

Anyone around 30yrs old right now will likely witness the very last decade of mankind.

The economic system is an incomplete model which does not price in externalities, which include everything we arbitrarily don't want to count, pollution, biodiversity loss, forest loss, climate heating etc. It is precisely these glaring omission which presses on the imminent collapse that's already well under way.

If you want to see numbers at work, look how large insurance has pulled out of most climate sensitive states. These corporations take real accounting for those losses generated by externalities absent from the main system.
Title: Re: This year may be biblical
Post by: kurplop on Tue, 12 March 2024, 17:04:29
You make my point. It is our responsibility to adapt to changes that we cannot control. You give two good examples. Early warning systems and an inability to get insurance which will reduce the number of structures built in harms way.
Title: Re: This year may be biblical
Post by: tp4tissue on Tue, 12 March 2024, 17:11:41
You make my point. It is our responsibility to adapt to changes that we cannot control. You give two good examples. Early warning systems and an inability to get insurance which will reduce the number of structures built in harms way.

We can control it, but we (likely) won't. Our current economic system only considers exploitation and destruction of nature profitable.  A piece of land saved, a tree not cut, a fish not killed, has no economic value.
Title: Re: This year may be biblical
Post by: tp4tissue on Sun, 17 March 2024, 06:49:28
Could we please consider the ice. Seriously, we're losing it.  Estimates now up to 5 meters by end of century.

"The study—written by James Hansen, NASA’s former lead climate scientist, and 16 co-authors, many of whom are considered among the top in their fields—concludes that glaciers in Greenland and Antarctica will melt 10 times faster than previous consensus estimates, resulting in sea level rise of at least 10 feet (3m) in as little as 50 years. "

https://www.counterpunch.org/2024/03/15/greenland-cascading-30-million-tons-per-hour/

You can see here, NOAA only models up to 3 meters in this very cool graphics tool.  Don't buy any property in Florida.


https://coast.noaa.gov/slr/#/layer/slr/10/-9027583.562760174/3172853.1482205153/7/satellite/none/0.8/2050/interHigh/midAccretion

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Title: Re: This year may be biblical
Post by: fohat.digs on Sun, 17 March 2024, 08:21:30

Greenland and Antarctica will melt 10 times faster than previous consensus estimates


I have been going on about this for years.

For once I strongly agree with TP4

Many times I have said that if you want to see Miami, get down there soon.
Title: Re: This year may be biblical
Post by: tp4tissue on Sun, 17 March 2024, 09:18:41
According to the article, we were at ~30,000,000 tons of ice melt per day in greenland,  currently it's 720,000,000 tons/day.

Exponential increase,

In 1700 we only had ~500,000,000 people and the First commercial steam pump (pre steam engine).  NOT that long ago.


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Title: Re: This year may be biblical
Post by: fohat.digs on Sun, 17 March 2024, 10:23:01

NOT that long ago.


The population of the planet has more than tripled in my lifetime ....

Title: Re: This year may be biblical
Post by: Leslieann on Sun, 17 March 2024, 11:20:05
Could we please consider the ice. Seriously, we're losing it.  Estimates now up to 5 meters by end of century.

"The study—written by James Hansen, NASA’s former lead climate scientist, and 16 co-authors, many of whom are considered among the top in their fields—concludes that glaciers in Greenland and Antarctica will melt 10 times faster than previous consensus estimates, resulting in sea level rise of at least 10 feet (3m) in as little as 50 years. "

It's worse than that graphic.
It doesn't account for storm surge and king tides (Miami downtown already floods during king tides as it's only 6 feet above sea level)
You can't put a dike around the entirety of Florida, the cost would be astronomical and if you want to just do Miami the area that you would need the dike is some of the wealthiest real estate in the world. By the time it's not it will be too late to save the rest of it. Don't forget Florida is a sponge/swamp, the water seeps in through the ground and it's sinking 1/2in per year so in 50 years it's going to be more than 2 feet lower than it is now and the weight of a dike is only going to make it worse.

Then again, we're a stupid and stubborn species so we'll probably spend 10x more than we should trying to save it only to end up with a useless swamp.
Case in point, FEMA rules state that in order to get money for a disaster you have to rebuild in the same place. We need to push people out of disaster areas, not rebuild in them.
Title: Re: This year may be biblical
Post by: tp4tissue on Sun, 17 March 2024, 12:52:04
The Noaa viewer says it accounts for tides, but the 3 meters display is nothing compared to the latest projections.

As for disaster, no amount of insurance can hold this. So, basically in those areas, it's the end of property insurance.

Tp4 half suspects that these large funds (much of which are public backed) moving to purchase property are just bailing out rich landowners PRE-collapse, so they can cash out first on their soon to be worthless holdings..
Title: Re: This year may be biblical
Post by: chyros on Mon, 18 March 2024, 09:34:09

Greenland and Antarctica will melt 10 times faster than previous consensus estimates


I have been going on about this for years.

For once I strongly agree with TP4

Many times I have said that if you want to see Miami, get down there soon.
That's very ironic, isn't the entirety of Miami also sinking into the ground as well?
Title: Re: This year may be biblical
Post by: tp4tissue on Fri, 22 March 2024, 06:54:23
This is it, this is how we die.

The ability of trees and other plants to photosynthesize is dramatically reduced in low water/ heat-stressed climates. They demonstrate photorespiration (the opposite) of taking in carbon, they are (Coughing) out carbon.

The trees are sick, they will cough more into the future, Planetary boundaries/ FEEDBACK LOOP and then bleeearrcchh..

https://scitechdaily.com/climate-change-is-causing-trees-to-struggle-to-breathe/
Title: Re: This year may be biblical
Post by: mohawk1367 on Fri, 22 March 2024, 11:58:19
awesome
Title: Re: This year may be biblical
Post by: fohat.digs on Sun, 07 April 2024, 10:41:51
Hey! More good news :

https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-024-00932-w (https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-024-00932-w)

Title: Re: This year may be biblical
Post by: tp4tissue on Sun, 07 April 2024, 11:37:24
This really brings into context our very human limits. Even best case science, we're running on a prayer at this point that 2.5C is as hot as it gets.

Please eat m0ar veggies.
Title: Re: This year may be biblical
Post by: _rubik on Sun, 07 April 2024, 12:38:06
Hey! More good news :

https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-024-00932-w (https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-024-00932-w)

Another thing for maintainers for time programming libraries to keep in mind. Greeeaatttt
Title: Re: This year may be biblical
Post by: tp4tissue on Sun, 07 April 2024, 12:48:15
Hey! More good news :

https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-024-00932-w (https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-024-00932-w)

Another thing for maintainers for time programming libraries to keep in mind. Greeeaatttt

The articles says, it's all bull**** because the spin rate actually changes all the time, and we're just paving it over however we decide to count it.


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Title: Re: This year may be biblical
Post by: TomahawkLabs on Mon, 08 April 2024, 09:04:18
This really brings into context our very human limits. Even best case science, we're running on a prayer at this point that 2.5C is as hot as it gets.

Please eat m0ar veggies.


Is the majority of the energy waste in meat production the actual raising of animals or more so the rest of the handshake. For example, beef is raised in Texas, shipped god knows were to be slaughtered, packed, etc, then shipped again to a distribution center and then to a grocer. If you have a farmer who is local to you and it's butchered locally, are you off-setting more of the energy waste because it's not being shipped around? I do understand that calorie for calorie we spend more resources to make meat than veggies.
Title: Re: This year may be biblical
Post by: tp4tissue on Mon, 08 April 2024, 09:11:20
Not just energy cost, the bigger problem is the Land use opportunity cost. 

Beef takes 20-30 calories, produces 1 calorie, meat industry as a whole is 6 in 1 out. Leading cause of deforestation, ~90% of amazon deforestation.

Forests sequester lots of carbon,  cow feedlots do not. We use a total of 43% of the TOTAL earth's dry surface in animal agriculture according to the IPCC.

No amount of electric cars will ever make up that difference. You can turn off the entirety of humanity's fossil fuel industry, and it would not be enough.
Title: Re: This year may be biblical
Post by: fohat.digs on Fri, 12 April 2024, 10:23:02
Favorite quote:

"We live on a wild planet, a wobbly, erupting, ocean-sloshed orb that careens around a giant thermonuclear explosion in the void."

https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2024/jan/17/greenland-losing-30m-tonnes-of-ice-an-hour-study-reveals (https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2024/jan/17/greenland-losing-30m-tonnes-of-ice-an-hour-study-reveals)



Title: Re: This year may be biblical
Post by: tp4tissue on Sun, 14 April 2024, 07:27:12
Sooo.... Apparently,  Meta (owner of facebook+ etc), straight up blocks many climate change content.

Can't understand why them young people even still use facebook. Just use Gekha. Or go outside, grow some tomatoes.


https://kansasreflector.com/2024/04/04/when-facebook-fails-local-media-matters-even-more-for-our-planets-future/
Title: Re: This year may be biblical
Post by: fohat.digs on Sun, 14 April 2024, 08:43:04

blocks many climate change content.


Don't worry, be happy. They only use about a terawatt hour of electricity per month.
Title: Re: This year may be biblical
Post by: Rhienfo on Sun, 14 April 2024, 08:50:48
Sooo.... Apparently,  Meta (owner of facebook+ etc), straight up blocks many climate change content.

Can't understand why them young people even still use facebook. Just use Gekha. Or go outside, grow some tomatoes.


https://kansasreflector.com/2024/04/04/when-facebook-fails-local-media-matters-even-more-for-our-planets-future/

The only reason why I still use facebook is mainly because a lot of older people are still on facebook.

It sucks but for some people it's the only social media like it they have.
Title: Re: This year may be biblical
Post by: fohat.digs on Sun, 14 April 2024, 13:13:25

The only reason why I still use facebook is mainly because a lot of older people are still on facebook.

the only social media


As one of those "older people" (72 - just 2 months from today!) I hardly use "social media" at all, except that I have a photgrapher friend who posts his photos on Facebook.

I have never felt any need to use social media personally, although I can understand people putting up vacation photos and such.

But for people to use it as a reliable information source, uh, I don't think so.
Title: Re: This year may be biblical
Post by: tp4tissue on Mon, 15 April 2024, 05:30:23
BIRD FLU alarms going off.  Masks ** just wear 'm

Dubbed, HPAI

Last week, a Texas cattle worker got H5N1.. The flu cases were detected in cattle across texas-michigan.


https://thehill.com/policy/healthcare/4581683-migratory-birds-seals-bird-flu-outbreak/


"A blood analysis study suggests that about 21% of COVID survivors develop Long COVID. That tracks with a batch of Mississippi data which says 20% of adults have Long COVID. Yet another study from The Lancet confirms that, yes, Long COVID can linger in your body for years. "
Title: Re: This year may be biblical
Post by: TomahawkLabs on Mon, 15 April 2024, 08:37:34

I have never felt any need to use social media personally, although I can understand people putting up vacation photos and such.
But for people to use it as a reliable information source, uh, I don't think so.
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Everyone I have ever made friends with has a cell phone or other mode of digital communication. If social media was intended to keep up with your IRL friends I don't need a global platform to do that on. I can call them/send them a text or email.
Title: Re: This year may be biblical
Post by: fohat.digs on Mon, 15 April 2024, 19:21:55
TL;DR  "The northern permafrost region has been projected to shift from a net sink to a net source of carbon"

https://agupubs.onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1029/2023GB007953 (https://agupubs.onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1029/2023GB007953)

Title: Re: This year may be biblical
Post by: tp4tissue on Mon, 15 April 2024, 20:28:31
It would seem like run-away is almost a certainty at this point.

This is going to get bad. We're at potentially 3-5 meters sea rise by 2100 according to the latest, but it looks to be accelerating even beyond that.
Title: Re: This year may be biblical
Post by: mohawk1367 on Tue, 16 April 2024, 06:45:52

I have never felt any need to use social media personally, although I can understand people putting up vacation photos and such.
But for people to use it as a reliable information source, uh, I don't think so.

Everyone I have ever made friends with has a cell phone or other mode of digital communication. If social media was intended to keep up with your IRL friends I don't need a global platform to do that on. I can call them/send them a text or email.
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i mostly use snapchat to talk with people i know irl, and sometimes i use Instagram to look at cars
Title: Re: This year may be biblical
Post by: TomahawkLabs on Tue, 16 April 2024, 10:22:32

I have never felt any need to use social media personally, although I can understand people putting up vacation photos and such.
But for people to use it as a reliable information source, uh, I don't think so.

Everyone I have ever made friends with has a cell phone or other mode of digital communication. If social media was intended to keep up with your IRL friends I don't need a global platform to do that on. I can call them/send them a text or email.
Title: Re: This year may be biblical
Post by: mohawk1367 on Wed, 17 April 2024, 10:20:03

I have never felt any need to use social media personally, although I can understand people putting up vacation photos and such.
But for people to use it as a reliable information source, uh, I don't think so.

Everyone I have ever made friends with has a cell phone or other mode of digital communication. If social media was intended to keep up with your IRL friends I don't need a global platform to do that on. I can call them/send them a text or email.
Did your keyboard turn off?  :-\
Title: Re: This year may be biblical
Post by: tp4tissue on Mon, 22 April 2024, 13:59:17
Read a headline today.. "Extreme weather threatens Irish potato output."

I mean, come on guys. We know they'll be fine, but the implications are dire.

TIL the Irish eat 94kg of potatoes a year, 3x the world average.


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Title: Re: This year may be biblical
Post by: tp4tissue on Sun, 28 April 2024, 19:21:43
28% of covid survivors develop some form of long covid. UK Study finds.

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Title: Re: This year may be biblical
Post by: Rhienfo on Sun, 28 April 2024, 19:51:19
28% of covid survivors develop some form of long covid. UK Study finds.

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when I got covid it messed me up for so many weeks, like every weekend I would just sleep cause of how sick I am. Probably do need to wear a mask more often so I don't get that again.
Title: Re: This year may be biblical
Post by: tp4tissue on Sun, 28 April 2024, 22:12:00
This whole thing about the H5N1,

The media is outlaying that it's not a problem to "eat" a contaminated bird or contaminated beef, because the virus will be cooked.

YES,  but before it's cooked, it has to be handled,  there are a bajillion points of contact with the contaminated bird.  Under-compensated restaurant slave workers don't give a damn about hand washing or general cleanliness.

Even @ home it's not like you can put on a clean suit, prepare the chicken, get a scrub down in disinfectant, then eat.

When they say poultry is safe,  that's just Capitalism saying, keep buying hand grenades in your grocery aisle, we don't care if you die, if you do die, it's YOUR FAULT.


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Title: Re: This year may be biblical
Post by: fohat.digs on Mon, 29 April 2024, 08:08:34

covid it messed me up for so many weeks


I had it about half a year ago, and I am definitely not back to 100%, and am despairing that I never will.
Title: Re: This year may be biblical
Post by: tp4tissue on Mon, 29 April 2024, 08:58:47

covid it messed me up for so many weeks


I had it about half a year ago, and I am definitely not back to 100%, and am despairing that I never will.


Fohat not eating enuff veggies.
Title: Re: This year may be biblical
Post by: mohawk1367 on Mon, 29 April 2024, 09:54:08

covid it messed me up for so many weeks


I had it about half a year ago, and I am definitely not back to 100%, and am despairing that I never will.
i had a runny nose and a cough and i kept telling my parents that i didnt have covid but school protocol says u have to take a test so i finally did and the test turned BRIGHT OPAQUE RED like my body was 80% covid and somehow i only had mild cold symptoms. i just ate toast for the entire time i was sick but my taste came back when the covid went away and i havent had any issues since
Title: Re: This year may be biblical
Post by: kurplop on Wed, 01 May 2024, 22:04:18

covid it messed me up for so many weeks


I had it about half a year ago, and I am definitely not back to 100%, and am despairing that I never will.


It may well be the Covid but neither of us are at the age where we can bounce back and be like we were. As we get into our 70's often it's the accidental fall or back twist, the cold that becomes pneumonia, or some inherited condition finally coming out that sets us back and that becomes the new norm.  I know that you take good care of yourself and that's about the best you can do.
Title: Re: This year may be biblical
Post by: Rhienfo on Wed, 01 May 2024, 23:52:48

covid it messed me up for so many weeks


I had it about half a year ago, and I am definitely not back to 100%, and am despairing that I never will.


It may well be the Covid but neither of us are at the age where we can bounce back and be like we were. As we get into our 70's often it's the accidental fall or back twist, the cold that becomes pneumonia, or some inherited condition finally coming out that sets us back and that becomes the new norm.  I know that you take good care of yourself and that's about the best you can do.

Yeah I am especially worried about older/immune-compromised people as the rest of the population aren't wearing masks and taking precautions, which means that they are especially vulnerable. Covid/flu seasons might be more dangerous because of the newer disease that has been spread around.
Title: Re: This year may be biblical
Post by: tp4tissue on Fri, 03 May 2024, 11:09:48
It may well be the Covid but neither of us are at the age where we can bounce back and be like we were. As we get into our 70's often it's the accidental fall or back twist, the cold that becomes pneumonia, or some inherited condition finally coming out that sets us back and that becomes the new norm.  I know that you take good care of yourself and that's about the best you can do.

Buh, why kurplop not try the Max-veggies.
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Title: Re: This year may be biblical
Post by: kurplop on Fri, 03 May 2024, 18:18:33
It may well be the Covid but neither of us are at the age where we can bounce back and be like we were. As we get into our 70's often it's the accidental fall or back twist, the cold that becomes pneumonia, or some inherited condition finally coming out that sets us back and that becomes the new norm.  I know that you take good care of yourself and that's about the best you can do.

Buh, why kurplop not try the Max-veggies.
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I do eat a lot of veggies, especially broccoli.
Title: Re: This year may be biblical
Post by: noisyturtle on Sat, 04 May 2024, 00:45:16
Man, I sweat bullets in the dead of Winter without a jacket. Wake up - Immediately begin sweating profusely. Get to work dripping. Middle of the day - nothing. End of the night - here comes the sweat again. So I mostly sweat during periods of inactivity, regardless of temperature.

Any other hyperhidrosis brothers or sisters out there? Summer sucks though, I may as well have just jumped into a pool at any given moment. I miss AC office jobs where you sit all day for that reason.
Title: Re: This year may be biblical
Post by: tp4tissue on Sat, 04 May 2024, 07:16:51
Man, I sweat bullets in the dead of Winter without a jacket. Wake up - Immediately begin sweating profusely. Get to work dripping. Middle of the day - nothing. End of the night - here comes the sweat again. So I mostly sweat during periods of inactivity, regardless of temperature.

Any other hyperhidrosis brothers or sisters out there? Summer sucks though, I may as well have just jumped into a pool at any given moment. I miss AC office jobs where you sit all day for that reason.

That sounds like pre-diabetus/ diabetus


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Title: Re: This year may be biblical
Post by: fohat.digs on Sat, 04 May 2024, 19:16:01

I mostly sweat during periods of inactivity


As I have gotten older, I realize that my internal temperature regulation is less consistent than it was when I was younger.

These days, I will have temporary periods of feeling hot or cold at seemingly random times. Generally, I will feel flushed for a while not long after eating (and especially after breakfast if I also had a cup of coffee) and I usually feel cold for a while when I get into bed, but my AC works and so I am keeping the house in the mid-70sF (low-mid-20sC) but my bed warms up soon enough. Now that it is getting much warmer outside I break into a sweat very quickly when I start working in my garden or walking briskly, but that does not seem unnatural.

As I recall, NT is barely 40 and lives in a temperate area, so I agree that radical overheating seems out of the norm and is worth checking into.


Title: Re: This year may be biblical
Post by: tp4tissue on Sat, 04 May 2024, 19:52:13
As I have gotten older, I realize that my internal temperature regulation is less consistent than it was when I was younger.

These days, I will have temporary periods of feeling hot or cold at seemingly random times. Generally, I will feel flushed for a while not long after eating

Fohat, get your cholesterol and blood sugar tested, this could be the pre/ diabetus.


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Title: Re: This year may be biblical
Post by: tp4tissue on Sat, 04 May 2024, 20:15:12
Yup, let's keep cutting down the rainforest so we can eating hamburders.  Cattle ranching is responsible for 90% of tropical deforestation in Brazil.  The cartel has even changed the rules where,  if 10% of the forest remains, it's considered NOT-Deforested. That's how they green-wash their election politics, while continuing to kill the Forest.

That's the kind of Stupidity humanity is into.  Now the floods come. Hindsight/ Karmic

Brazil's Rio Grande do Sul Flooding, 500,000 people without water/ electricity, Bridges / Roads leaving the city have been flooded, they are stranded and can not leave.


Title: Re: This year may be biblical
Post by: tp4tissue on Sun, 05 May 2024, 09:18:08
Noooo. Not the Durian!!

""Extreme heat has gripped much of south and south-east Asia over recent weeks, killing dozens of people, forcing millions of students to miss school and destroying crops.

Both the Philippines and Bangladesh shut schools due to the unbearable heat last month, while governments across the region have issued health warnings. In Thailand, at least 30 people have died from heatstroke since the start of the year.

The extreme weather has seen durian fruit burst on trees in Thailand, destroyed rice crops and caused eggs to shrink, according to local media. ""

Title: Re: This year may be biblical
Post by: tp4tissue on Wed, 08 May 2024, 11:09:44
The guardian is a great newspaper.

Depressing morning reads though.

Guardian polls 380 of 843 IPCC scientists:

"Younger scientists were more pessimistic, with 52% of respondents under 50 expecting a rise of at least 3C, compared with 38% of those over 50. Female scientists were also more downbeat than male scientists, with 49% thinking global temperature would rise at least 3C, compared with 38%. There was little difference between scientists from different continents."

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https://www.theguardian.com/environment/article/2024/may/08/world-scientists-climate-failure-survey-global-temperature?CMP=Share_AndroidApp_Other
Title: Re: This year may be biblical
Post by: fohat.digs on Wed, 08 May 2024, 12:07:38
What surprises me most is that with all the wildness of temperature and weather that we have watched, with terror, over the past dacade (or several decades), so far there has been VERY little sea level rise.

https://theconversation.com/how-rising-water-vapour-in-the-atmosphere-is-amplifying-warming-and-making-extreme-weather-worse-213347 (https://theconversation.com/how-rising-water-vapour-in-the-atmosphere-is-amplifying-warming-and-making-extreme-weather-worse-213347)
Title: Re: This year may be biblical
Post by: tp4tissue on Wed, 08 May 2024, 12:08:51
Sea level rise is not perceptible by eye most of the time, but the big floods certainly coming in wet.
Title: Re: This year may be biblical
Post by: tp4tissue on Thu, 09 May 2024, 08:41:13
CDC is fighting against Big-Meat to track bird flu outbreak at major cattle ranches.

This is the same thing that happened with Mad Cow,   Big Meat bought out the Government, and 90% of US beef is NOT-TESTED for mad-cow disease.   This is an ongoing problem.


Profits are more important than you know, Bird Flu,  and this is H5N1 we're talking about, yea that H5N1, with 60% fatality in human infections.

People can't freakn' count,  heading off a major pandemic might cost $Billions,  COVID cost $Trillions


https://www.politico.com/news/2024/05/06/bird-flu-dairy-farms-cdc-00156119
Title: Re: This year may be biblical
Post by: Rhienfo on Thu, 09 May 2024, 10:56:48
CDC is fighting against Big-Meat to track bird flu outbreak at major cattle ranches.

This is the same thing that happened with Mad Cow,   Big Meat bought out the Government, and 90% of US beef is NOT-TESTED for mad-cow disease.   This is an ongoing problem.


Profits are more important than you know, Bird Flu,  and this is H5N1 we're talking about, yea that H5N1, with 60% fatality in human infections.

People can't freakn' count,  heading off a major pandemic might cost $Billions,  COVID cost $Trillions


https://www.politico.com/news/2024/05/06/bird-flu-dairy-farms-cdc-00156119

mad cow disease is scary af, having your mind deteriorate quickly with no way to stop it, is an insanely scary thought.

Probably one of the first things that me question the non pork meat consumption that I was eating, especially knowing the conditions of a lot of these factory farms that these cows are in.
Title: Re: This year may be biblical
Post by: tp4tissue on Thu, 09 May 2024, 13:55:52
mad cow disease is scary af, having your mind deteriorate quickly with no way to stop it, is an insanely scary thought.

Probably one of the first things that me question the non pork meat consumption that I was eating, especially knowing the conditions of a lot of these factory farms that these cows are in.

Prion diseases have been on the rise, especially mid-west America. Deer wasting disease. They can leave the disease and it can stay in the soil, and picked up by other deer. These disease can easily spread to other livestock/ mutate in.

'Murica is a major meat exporter.  Bon-appetite.
Title: Re: This year may be biblical
Post by: noisyturtle on Thu, 09 May 2024, 16:36:43
My roommate is already throwing all the windows open. God damn, I hate open windows.
It invites huge amounts of dust in, that I inevitably will have to clean off all my ****. There is a constant stream of strangers walking by at ground level peering in and invading my privacy. Also inviting possible thieves, as he has his PS5 literally right next to the window, anyone could just push out the screen and grab it. Plus the angle forces to sunlight directly onto my video games on the bookshelf, which is the only valuable things I own, as I watch them slowly get sun-bleached.
It is literally like a compulsion with him opening the blinds and windows, first thing he does every day, knowing I hate them being open at all. No matter the weather, how dreary, sunny, rainy, smokey, he HAS to crank every window in the house open every single day. Then he goes into his bedroom with the door closed all day not 'enjoying' any of the sun, and forgets to close them so they remain open regularly until 10-11pm.

ok, done with my rant. I just had to say it somewhere, it has been festering in me for years.
Title: Re: This year may be biblical
Post by: fohat.digs on Thu, 09 May 2024, 17:52:49

it has been festering in me for years.


People who know me know that I like "sitting around in the dark" .... No doubt that my eyes are sensitive, they are pale blue and I am getting older, but I have always preferred low light situations. As far as enjoying a dark environment indoors - that seems natural to me. True, now that my visual acuity is diminished I need extra light for critical close-up tasks but for general "sitting around" I strongly prefer low light levels.

My ex- in contrast, was one of those people who turned on every light in the house right away. On a dark winter morning that is absolutely painful to me. And, I hardly ever set foot outside in sunlight without dark sunglasses.

As far as open windows, that can be pleasant (if there is nothing ugly outside like pollen or smoke) but downstairs in an area where there are passersby, no, I don't think so.
Title: Re: This year may be biblical
Post by: tp4tissue on Thu, 09 May 2024, 23:22:26
No doubt that my eyes are sensitive, they are pale blue and I am getting older, but I have always preferred low light situations. As far as enjoying a dark environment indoors - that seems natural to me.

This sounds like a deficiency of Beta Carotene which is what coats the back of your retina preventing damage from UV.

Gotta eat them yellow/orange veggies.
Title: Re: This year may be biblical
Post by: tp4tissue on Fri, 10 May 2024, 07:48:52
Texahs

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