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Offline iMav

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« Reply #100 on: Mon, 29 December 2008, 12:10:58 »
"A plumber's pipes always leak" is another common one.

In regards to the Rit dying...Are you adding salt to the water??  I added a good amount of salt each time.  And I keep them in until they are the color I want.  Looks like those keys need more time.
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Offline bigpook

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« Reply #101 on: Mon, 29 December 2008, 12:19:36 »
Quote from: lam47;16415
This might be my best bet.
I should have just done the one key for sure.
Stupid impulsive me!!!

lol, I do things on impulse, most times it works out, some times I am left standing amidst the ruins of my poor decisions.
In light of that, pink keys aren't so bad. As others may have mentioned, try to re-dye them again, if that fails, go with black. Get it dark to hide the mistake.
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« Reply #102 on: Mon, 29 December 2008, 12:22:22 »
Quote from: lam47;16415
This might be my best bet.
I should have just done the one key for sure.
Stupid impulsive me!!!


lol, salmon!

IIRC RIT sells a dye remover, dont they? (he asked hopefully)
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« Reply #103 on: Mon, 29 December 2008, 12:24:52 »
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lol, salmon!

IIRC RIT sells a dye remover, dont they? (he asked hopefully)

Salmon! Its the new black! Its all in how you spin it : )
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« Reply #104 on: Mon, 29 December 2008, 12:25:25 »
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The Gods of Vintage Keyboards are frowning from the clouds.


lol, seriously ;)  Lam must have already offended one of the keyboard gods for all this to happen today
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« Reply #105 on: Mon, 29 December 2008, 12:27:01 »
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lol, seriously ;)  Lam must have already offended one of the keyboard gods for all this to happen today


Thats 2 strikes, its best to stand down, step away from the stove, go outside, run around and clear your head. To continue is only to invite further disaster.
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Offline lam47

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« Reply #106 on: Mon, 29 December 2008, 12:33:52 »
I finish fine woods with 20+ coats of lacquer followed by rubbing compounds pumice and rottenstone so I can appreciate the slow layer by layer approach.

I just assumed it would work like it did in the qtronix but without the melting part.

Salt was added yes. It was almost an hour when I gave up, needed to put the dinner on.
Thinking about it I see no reason why another soaking would not double the depth of the colour.
I would however end up spending a fortune on dye as its £2.99 + £2.99 postage per pack from ebay.
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« Reply #107 on: Mon, 29 December 2008, 12:57:00 »
I wonder if you can reuse/reheat the dye water. That might save some money.
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« Reply #108 on: Mon, 29 December 2008, 13:06:21 »
Quote from: lam47;16428
. It was almost an hour when I gave up, needed to put the dinner on.
Thinking about it I see no reason why another soaking would not double the depth of the colour.
I would however end up spending a fortune on dye as its £2.99 + £2.99 postage per pack from ebay.


So basically the only difference was the temperature of the water?

another experiment to try (if you have another board to sacrifice, lol ;) would be to "flash dye" them in very hot water (ie, leave them in for maybe a minute or less, but in very hot water), not long enough for them to melt.  I guess timing will be everything, but that might save you the laborious "layering" process and its expense.
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Offline Therac-25

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« Reply #109 on: Mon, 29 December 2008, 13:25:55 »
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So basically the only difference was the temperature of the water?

another experiment to try (if you have another board to sacrifice, lol ;) would be to "flash dye" them in very hot water (ie, leave them in for maybe a minute or less, but in very hot water), not long enough for them to melt.  I guess timing will be everything, but that might save you the laborious "layering" process and its expense.


on the other end of the scale, could you leave them for a long time in water not hot enough to melt them?  i have a bag of old model m keycaps (from a deceased board) that i can sacrifice on the altar of experiment.
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« Reply #110 on: Mon, 29 December 2008, 13:42:38 »
Its going to depend a lot on the plastic.
The MX caps I think would have been fine and not needed the water to be so hot.
The ones from the Goldtouch just don't seem to take the dye so well.
The heat softens the plastic allowing the dye to penetrate. The caps on a Model M feel very soft to me and should take the dye well.
I'm not even sure if black would take to the Goldtouch keys without melting them all in to one big blob.
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« Reply #111 on: Mon, 29 December 2008, 13:48:32 »
Quote from: lam47;16433
Its going to depend a lot on the plastic.
The MX caps I think would have been fine and not needed the water to be so hot.
The ones from the Goldtouch just don't seem to take the dye so well.
The heat softens the plastic allowing the dye to penetrate. The caps on a Model M feel very soft to me and should take the dye well.
I'm not even sure if black would take to the Goldtouch keys without melting them all in to one big blob.


probably getting into unsafe territory here in terms of physical health, but are there any plastic dyes that aren't water based?
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Offline lam47

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« Reply #112 on: Mon, 29 December 2008, 15:18:02 »
Well let it never be said that I dont get back on the horse.
Had another go.
This time with a dark brown.
The picture shows that it is the plastic that is the issue in this case.
Just look how dark the MX cap is on the end!
This was 10min on the hob, making ****ing sure not to let it boil but letting it get very close.
I honestly dont mind that it is blotchy. Looks quite chocolaty to me :)
Also its less noticeable in natural light and when all the keys are together.

I will try and finish the rest of the board tomorrow.

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« Reply #113 on: Mon, 29 December 2008, 15:21:03 »
The brown looks pretty good. We should make a database or something to log how keycaps will react to the dyeing process. That MX key looks positively chocolately.
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« Reply #114 on: Mon, 29 December 2008, 15:43:12 »
Im thinking I may leave the case and just do the keys.
What do you think.
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« Reply #115 on: Mon, 29 December 2008, 15:48:35 »
They look even more chocolatey against the white. I like it. :)
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« Reply #116 on: Mon, 29 December 2008, 15:52:41 »
Actually, the brown looks really cool against the smooth white. I'd like to see pics in natural light, I think its really good looking and a definite improvement over the melted keys :D
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« Reply #117 on: Mon, 29 December 2008, 16:01:04 »
lol :D
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« Reply #118 on: Mon, 29 December 2008, 16:03:22 »
I think if I had a keyboard like that I'd keep wanting chocolate.
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« Reply #119 on: Mon, 29 December 2008, 16:07:00 »
Eww, bad webwit.:eek:
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« Reply #120 on: Mon, 29 December 2008, 16:08:02 »
Turn on your safe search parameters when you're not searching for pr0n.
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« Reply #121 on: Mon, 29 December 2008, 16:09:09 »
Not safe for home either.
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« Reply #122 on: Mon, 29 December 2008, 16:13:05 »
Good answer.
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« Reply #123 on: Mon, 29 December 2008, 16:13:06 »
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I'm not sure about this link (nsfw) that Google returned while searching for that last pic. This seems to be wrong as well (sfw).


Thats not nsfw, thats just wrong : ) and disturbing to boot.
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« Reply #124 on: Mon, 29 December 2008, 16:19:10 »
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Will xphat's wife please not use his computer while he is away? ;)


Oh yeah, I forgot about her ...
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« Reply #125 on: Mon, 29 December 2008, 17:08:21 »
hey the dark brown looks neat! Kind of like a "wood tone"
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« Reply #126 on: Mon, 29 December 2008, 17:10:41 »
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They look even more chocolatey against the white. I like it. :)


I like it a lot too!

Quote

The picture shows that it is the plastic that is the issue in this case.
Just look how dark the MX cap is on the end!


thats really interesting that the type of plastic makes such a huge difference.
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« Reply #127 on: Mon, 29 December 2008, 18:10:00 »
mother****er.
For some unknown reason the last lot of keys melted like the first lot.
I kept an eye and never let it boil.
I just ****ed my goldtouch as well.

Personally I do not recommend doing this unless you have a spare set of keys.
You could end up ****ed like me.
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« Reply #128 on: Mon, 29 December 2008, 18:19:16 »
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mother****er.
For some unknown reason the last lot of keys melted like the first lot.
I kept an eye and never let it boil.
I just ****ed my goldtouch as well.

Personally I do not recommend doing this unless you have a spare set of keys.
You could end up ****ed like me.

Hey man, take it easy. Just fricking stop with the fricking dye, ok?
You are killing me with this. : ( Stop hosing your keyboard collection. : (
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« Reply #129 on: Mon, 29 December 2008, 18:27:50 »
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Hey man, take it easy. Just fricking stop with the fricking dye, ok?
You are killing me with this. : ( Stop hosing your keyboard collection. : (


Done.
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« Reply #130 on: Mon, 29 December 2008, 18:35:27 »
I've done it with HHKB keys and Model M keys (both 1 and 2 piece keycaps).  Both worked without issue (and took the color very nicely).

I will get some more Rit dye tomorrow and give one of the AT101W keys a try.
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« Reply #131 on: Mon, 29 December 2008, 18:37:00 »
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Done.


oh no - how long was it in the water? less than 10 minutes?
What is a "hob"?
was it on the flame the whole time? I think you're atleast supposed to take if off the flame after its reached boiling point!
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« Reply #132 on: Mon, 29 December 2008, 18:43:00 »
Hob is on an electric oven.
It was only on it to keep the water warm. Never boiling.
I don't know just bad luck I guess.
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« Reply #133 on: Mon, 29 December 2008, 18:48:24 »
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Done.


Sorry man. I have been following your adventure for the whole day here. And most of it has turned out poorly. It really is time to back off and regroup. Before you kill off your collection : )

I hope the keyboards you lost were not especially valuable  to you.

cheers!
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« Reply #134 on: Mon, 29 December 2008, 18:55:32 »
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Hob is on an electric oven.
It was only on it to keep the water warm. Never boiling.
I don't know just bad luck I guess.


i think moving it off the heat source might be best once its hot...
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« Reply #135 on: Mon, 29 December 2008, 18:55:40 »
Well the Goldtouch was as I have rsi and I got it at a bargain £35.
Ive asked the manufacturers if they could sell some keys to me.
Thanks for the commiserations.
Like Ella said if it had worked it would have been great.
At least I gave it a go.
Just wish I had quit before ruining the Goldtouch is all.
Ah well.
At least it wasn't my M :) (the only one with easily replaceable keys)

Today has been crap.

Found out that Das will not be able to supply any keys. So thats a bit useless.
Also I sold my Microsoft keyboard on ebay weeks ago and it never arrived.
Buyer picked first class (not insured) and now wants his money back (understandably)
I have no proof of shipping other than a till receipt.

Wont even go into my health. Needless to say I have to see the Dr tomorrow about things I really don't want to.
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« Reply #136 on: Mon, 29 December 2008, 18:59:22 »
Quote from: lam47;16521
Well the Goldtouch was as I have rsi and I got it at a bargain £35.
Ive asked the manufacturers if they could sell some keys to me.
Thanks for the commiserations.
Like Ella said if it had worked it would have been great.
At least I gave it a go.
Just wish I had quit before ruining the Goldtouch is all.
Ah well.
At least it wasn't my M :) (the only one with easily replaceable keys)

Today has been crap.

Found out that Das will not be able to supply any keys. So thats a bit useless.
Also I sold my Microsoft keyboard on ebay weeks ago and it never arrived.
Buyer picked first class (not insured) and now wants his money back (understandably)
I have no proof of shipping other than a till receipt.

Wont even go into my health. Needless to say I have to see the Dr tomorrow about things I really don't want to.


all sounds awful lam.  my sympathies on every count, really.

what switches in the goldtouch? Maybe geekhackers can take up a (keytop) collection and pass it on to you. after all we all benefited from your sacrifice. ;)
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« Reply #137 on: Mon, 29 December 2008, 19:04:51 »
Its a funny rubber dome board.
Thanks for the thought but nothing will fit but the Goldtouch keys.
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« Reply #138 on: Mon, 29 December 2008, 19:28:35 »
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Its a funny rubber dome board.
Thanks for the thought but nothing will fit but the Goldtouch keys.


You have a link for that Goldtouch?
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« Reply #139 on: Mon, 29 December 2008, 19:29:48 »
Unless someone on here has a busted GoldTouch.
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« Reply #140 on: Mon, 29 December 2008, 19:36:01 »
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« Reply #141 on: Mon, 29 December 2008, 19:36:25 »
I feel bad for the guy. He had a rough day. I would be pretty devastated to melt my keys like that.
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« Reply #142 on: Mon, 29 December 2008, 19:36:57 »
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« Reply #143 on: Mon, 29 December 2008, 19:38:00 »
He wants $46 to ship to the uk! I have asked if wellington would mind acting as a middle man.
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« Reply #144 on: Mon, 29 December 2008, 19:38:58 »
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He wants $46 to ship to the uk! I have asked if wellington would mind acting as a middle man.


Cool, if he can't do it I can. : )
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« Reply #145 on: Mon, 29 December 2008, 19:41:07 »
this is nuts!
http://itwinkle.stores.yahoo.net/golerkeyspan1.html
in this country the UK version cant be had for less than £120 thats UKP!!!
The only difference is the printing on some keys.
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« Reply #146 on: Mon, 29 December 2008, 19:41:42 »
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this is nuts!
http://itwinkle.stores.yahoo.net/golerkeyspan1.html
in this country the UK version cant be had for less than £120 thats UKP!!!
The only difference is the printing on some keys.


Hey, today is your lucky day, well, sort of : )
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« Reply #147 on: Mon, 29 December 2008, 19:42:20 »
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Hey, today is your lucky day, well, sort of : )


lol I guess so :)
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« Reply #148 on: Mon, 29 December 2008, 19:42:42 »
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this is nuts!
http://itwinkle.stores.yahoo.net/golerkeyspan1.html
in this country the UK version cant be had for less than £120 thats UKP!!!
The only difference is the printing on some keys.

120 pounds is how many dollars?

Oooh. Thats 175 dollars, thats one pricey board.

Even with the outlandish shipping its a deal.
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« Reply #149 on: Mon, 29 December 2008, 19:50:45 »
EDIT

They are offering shipping for 2 to the uk for $50.
Hope its not a mistake because thats good!
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