Post by: T0mb3ry on Thu, 05 July 2018, 14:48:21
KITS ARE LOCKED!
I am open only for changes which do fix some major issues if there are any.
Dear fellow geeks,
i welcome you to the interest check for GMK Carbon Round 2 which will probably happen on Massdrop in Q4 of this Year (german fiscal year format). So we got some time and i want to use it for getting useful and constructive feedback for the upcomming drop.
GMK Carbon Round 1 owners will be able to get some addons since its using still the same custom colors. Tho not all kits will be compatible with GMK Carbon Round 1. The reason: I am very passionate about this hobby and i am in mad love with Cherry profile and i decided to focus in this round onto vintage Cherry profile. Most of you heard probably about the row 0 and row 5 which you will find on some vintage Cherry boards but also in some current GMK Groupbuys. For example recent Triumph Adler Groupbuy which i joined in a heart beat after it went online.
However most of groupbuys do utilze only rows 1,2,3 and 4. This is because row 5 is missing 1.25u key which is crucial for most modern layouts and making a new mold for it is actually an expensive investment. In general any key mold is expensive and please dont mix it with legend molds. So in this round i want to take the chance and introduce 1.25u key for row 5, which will make Cherry profile complete from my enthusiastic point of view. I hope this fruits and i hope if the mold gets build it will be used extensively in all upcoming GMK keyset projects. Also it may motivate keyset designer to rerun their keysets which i would love to see.
Anyway let me show you how a full Cherry profile looks like from the side:
(https://i.imgur.com/0VwOaHF.png)
Keep in mind i am using modern row notation. Afaik in cherry dicumentation the rows are called (from left to right): F, E, D, C, B, A
So this side view displays also how the base sets for round 2 will be. Being honest i can say setting up the full cherry profile kits was quite challenging since i had to rethink all the established kit designs. The additional rows 0 and 5 do requiring more keys in order to cover some important basic layouts.
GMK Carbon round 2 will probably drop in November or December of 2018
So enough said and i dont like to write much. Here are the kits for Round 2.
Base kits
(https://i.imgur.com/ujlOyZn.png)
(https://i.imgur.com/fKbSXOu.png)
Extension kits
(https://i.imgur.com/nDDRgDD.png)
(https://i.imgur.com/ZLYfjKG.png)
(https://i.imgur.com/C1YySTN.png)
(https://i.imgur.com/awLn4jo.png)
(https://i.imgur.com/15A9IMb.png)
(https://i.imgur.com/R0WBQ7y.png)
(https://i.imgur.com/9T2kEIt.png)
(https://i.imgur.com/2pokwHv.png)
(https://i.imgur.com/ww0DZLQ.png)
(https://i.imgur.com/kDd87zF.png)
Novelty kits
(https://i.imgur.com/2w7bpo4.png)
(https://i.imgur.com/P11I8Ba.png)
(https://i.imgur.com/G5XgNlD.png)
(https://i.imgur.com/HcAlUJ8.png)
(https://i.imgur.com/brv15mr.png)
(https://i.imgur.com/GhTswCV.png)
Kits are not final and are subject to change. Base kits are almost complete and if i dont discover some major flaw they will get only minor changes.
If you dont see the kit you desire dont worry here is my ToDo list with missing kits:
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- Probably any idea i get...
If you want to provide any constructive and usefull feedback/suggestion then please respond below. I will be thankfull.
Please keep in mind i read every response and consider every made suggestion but i am not obliged to make every suggestion reality.
Thank you for your attention.
Post by: T0mb3ry on Thu, 05 July 2018, 14:48:38
Novelkeys x T0mb3ry Deskmats
(https://i.imgur.com/BlUK8TY.png)
(https://i.imgur.com/W9xxEhF.png)
Some nice renders by Oblotzky:
(https://i.imgur.com/sNMZcS6.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/LNbdtk7.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/fcn0jVh.png)
(https://i.imgur.com/tlv2uLV.png)
Post by: T0mb3ry on Thu, 05 July 2018, 14:48:51
Post by: Oblotzky on Thu, 05 July 2018, 14:51:09
Post by: xondat on Thu, 05 July 2018, 14:51:57
Otherwise no.
:)
Post by: dimo on Thu, 05 July 2018, 14:52:32
Post by: T0mb3ry on Thu, 05 July 2018, 14:55:37
I like the orange/gray alphas
Thats Carbonski alphas which i am not introducing because it will intersect with already running skidata ic.
If R0/5 full coverage, yes.
Otherwise no.
:)
As you can see its full coverage ;)
Post by: wodan on Thu, 05 July 2018, 14:56:16
Post by: Poesjuh on Thu, 05 July 2018, 14:56:51
@T0mb3ry
Would an accent kit with the orange caps be possible? So just the arrows, enter and escape.
I’m aware these are part of the base however when you buy the Bone kit you won’t get these.
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Post by: dimo on Thu, 05 July 2018, 14:56:59
I like the orange/gray alphas
Thats Carbonski alphas which i am not introducing because it will intersect with already running skidata ic.
Oh, I meant those as two separate entities (i like the gray alphas, and orange alphas)
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Post by: avid on Thu, 05 July 2018, 15:00:28
Is there any ETA when this is going to be ran? After space cadet i assume?
Post by: Vigrith on Thu, 05 July 2018, 15:05:06
Post by: Hokabuki on Thu, 05 July 2018, 15:11:40
Post by: T0mb3ry on Thu, 05 July 2018, 15:25:58
Moister than an oyster!!!You are welcome buddy ^-^
Hope to meet you again if Mechanicon happens again this autumn ;)
Is there any ETA when this is going to be ran? After space cadet i assume?As i wrote in the beginning, somewhere in Q4.
Would an accent kit with the orange caps be possible? So just the arrows, enter and escape.
I’m aware these are part of the base however when you buy the Bone kit you won’t get these.
Is in consideration. Probably part of the kit with vertical function keys which i forgot to mention.
Any reason the base is text and the bones is icon?Yes the reason is quite simple. Designwise its better to use only icon style on high contrast (beige/gray) and text + icon on lower contrasts(orange/gray). Ofcourse i am trying also to provide more choices and reach out to people with different taste.
Post by: pentawater on Thu, 05 July 2018, 15:30:45
Post by: oh_chesteroni on Thu, 05 July 2018, 15:32:47
Looking forward to the GB!
Post by: neon_tom on Thu, 05 July 2018, 15:36:40
Post by: wangledorf on Thu, 05 July 2018, 15:37:43
Post by: Vadurr on Thu, 05 July 2018, 15:42:58
Edit: Any chance we can get 6mm thick 36x18 mousepads as well?! I need this!!!
Edit2: Any chance for full icon mods for the bones base as well? Love it regardless.
Post by: dead_pixel_design on Thu, 05 July 2018, 15:47:31
Would be interested in Apple legend keys. Or maybe an OS compatibility kit?
Post by: KaosJ on Thu, 05 July 2018, 15:52:38
Post by: hineybush on Thu, 05 July 2018, 15:58:58
Post by: KaosJ on Thu, 05 July 2018, 16:00:36
What about EU proxy this time?
Post by: LightningXI on Thu, 05 July 2018, 16:01:15
Post by: T0mb3ry on Thu, 05 July 2018, 16:01:33
Post by: T0mb3ry on Thu, 05 July 2018, 16:04:10
Interested in Boneyard as well, but as has been mentioned to you, it would be grand if you could support R1 buyers by splitting new keys into a key that allows for R0/R5 support for users of the R1 set.
We already discussed this in slack. As you have seen such kit will be enormous due to the two base sets i am offering. Anyway the idea is not from the table and i will still look into it ;)
Post by: Yeoh on Thu, 05 July 2018, 16:07:16
Like there isnt a long enough lineup at GMK for sets, and the market isnt fully saturated already?
Post by: oldcat on Thu, 05 July 2018, 16:13:40
Post by: smurkcity12 on Thu, 05 July 2018, 16:14:07
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Post by: oldcat on Thu, 05 July 2018, 16:15:07
ALL IN ALL KITS.
Post by: enrique.aliaga on Thu, 05 July 2018, 16:19:12
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Post by: Chimera on Thu, 05 July 2018, 16:22:51
Edit: would want base, novelties, and warning signs
Post by: manzel on Thu, 05 July 2018, 16:33:01
Post by: duynguyenle on Thu, 05 July 2018, 16:36:37
Post by: The_judge_168 on Thu, 05 July 2018, 16:46:00
Post by: T0mb3ry on Thu, 05 July 2018, 16:49:21
R0 and R5 with full coverage is probably an instant buy for me. Any rough ideas of pricing in terms of making up the cost of the new moulds?
So far no info on that. But guess it will be affordable if done on a big scale. I hope for this.
Post by: kwerdenker on Thu, 05 July 2018, 16:53:59
Post by: konstantin on Thu, 05 July 2018, 17:03:22
Post by: pvd on Thu, 05 July 2018, 17:18:06
Post by: neon_tom on Thu, 05 July 2018, 18:22:56
Post by: PaultheSloth on Thu, 05 July 2018, 18:39:53
Post by: whitty on Thu, 05 July 2018, 19:12:30
Post by: wholypantalones on Thu, 05 July 2018, 19:24:50
Post by: a_ak57 on Thu, 05 July 2018, 19:26:27
Post by: hineybush on Thu, 05 July 2018, 19:35:44
(https://massdrop-s3.imgix.net/product-images/MD-5860_20150323164917_5702922c1a1aa9a6.jpg?w=1500&h=1000)
At least on the bone set.
Post by: lemur on Thu, 05 July 2018, 19:42:34
Any chance for Hiragana alphas?
please no!
Post by: hineybush on Thu, 05 July 2018, 19:49:35
Any chance for Hiragana alphas?
please no!
noooooooooo
Post by: otanishock on Thu, 05 July 2018, 19:56:47
Any chance for Hiragana alphas?No no no no. Please no!!!! I'm so sick of the weeb alphas already...
Post by: Puddsy on Thu, 05 July 2018, 19:59:25
Any chance for Hiragana alphas?
how do you delete someone else's post
Post by: THRILLHOIAF on Thu, 05 July 2018, 20:18:21
Post by: Vigrith on Thu, 05 July 2018, 20:18:50
how do you delete someone else's post
I'd mod you for the sole purpose of deleting that one post for him.
Post by: Hokabuki on Thu, 05 July 2018, 20:20:06
Wait, why icon mods for bone and standard mods for Carbon?It was answered with this:
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Yes the reason is quite simple. Designwise its better to use only icon style on high contrast (beige/gray) and text + icon on lower contrasts(orange/gray). Ofcourse i am trying also to provide more choices and reach out to people with different taste.
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Post by: Puddsy on Thu, 05 July 2018, 20:21:08
how do you delete someone else's post
I'd mod you for the sole purpose of deleting that one post for him.
im honored
Post by: Tom_Kazansky on Thu, 05 July 2018, 20:26:37
- Definitely Spacebar kit (need some confirmations in order to make it)time to design a board with vertical function keys, I guess ;D
- ...
- ...
- Definitely a kit with some usefull extra keys like vertical function keys.
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- Probably ...
and sorry for... eh... nitpicking but this just bother me
Keep in mind i am using modern row notation. Afaik in cherry dicumentation the rows are called (from left to right): F, E, D, C, B, A
Any chance for Hiragana alphas?
no!
just doesn't fit
Post by: Wetherbee on Thu, 05 July 2018, 20:36:02
Absolutely. Best carbon layout ever, perfectly for a WKL TKL. Once I started using OG Cherry caps with the full 1-5 row layouts I fell in love. Fully sculpted cherry is like a fine wine.
Btw, WKL TKL is fun to say without the vowels.
Post by: neon_tom on Thu, 05 July 2018, 20:47:23
Yes the reason is quite simple. Designwise its better to use only icon style on high contrast (beige/gray) and text + icon on lower contrasts(orange/gray). Ofcourse i am trying also to provide more choices and reach out to people with different taste.Wait, why icon mods for bone and standard mods for Carbon?It was answered with this:
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Ah, missed that, thanks.
Post by: OracleKev on Thu, 05 July 2018, 21:11:53
What about R0? Seems pretty rare even on vintage sets. Iris set had those and heard some complaints that they were really high and awkward. Anyone have feedback from usage?
Post by: darkslay3r on Thu, 05 July 2018, 21:17:14
Post by: shower_king on Thu, 05 July 2018, 21:19:04
I just don't know why ,in bone base kit, icon are only for "capslock",left"shift",right"shift" and "enter" and text for "alt" and "ctrl"? May be just your preference.
For me, icon or text or mixed are good for me , I have no preference. I think only icons will be consistent.
BTW, if you have chosen icons for bone base kit modifers, is there any chance that add more icons for "pgdn" and "pgup".As I know, GMK have moulds for those icons.
just as (https://s1.ax1x.com/2018/07/06/PZuPv8.png)
Post by: donutcat on Thu, 05 July 2018, 21:47:04
Post by: AlphaAnt on Thu, 05 July 2018, 21:54:56
Post by: blandname on Thu, 05 July 2018, 22:31:02
Post by: hineybush on Thu, 05 July 2018, 22:39:26
hi, you are get my support as always.
I just don't know why ,in bone base kit, icon are only for "capslock",left"shift",right"shift" and "enter" and text for "alt" and "ctrl"? May be just your preference.
For me, icon or text or mixed are good for me , I have no preference. I think only icons will be consistent.
BTW, if you have chosen icons for bone base kit modifers, is there any chance that add more icons for "pgdn" and "pgup".As I know, GMK have moulds for those icons.
just asShow Image(https://s1.ax1x.com/2018/07/06/PZuPv8.png)
My thought on this is that he's going for the 9009/Muted styling vs. all icons. the 9009 style is much better imo
Post by: ParkYongSeung on Thu, 05 July 2018, 22:44:52
I will buy it.
Post by: T0mb3ry on Fri, 06 July 2018, 00:09:36
hi, you are get my support as always.
I just don't know why ,in bone base kit, icon are only for "capslock",left"shift",right"shift" and "enter" and text for "alt" and "ctrl"? May be just your preference.
For me, icon or text or mixed are good for me , I have no preference. I think only icons will be consistent.
BTW, if you have chosen icons for bone base kit modifers, is there any chance that add more icons for "pgdn" and "pgup".As I know, GMK have moulds for those icons.
just asShow Image(https://s1.ax1x.com/2018/07/06/PZuPv8.png)
I personaly prefer OG Style (Bone base kit) Icon implementation. Tho in the last lines of my first post you will find todo list and it has icon mod extension for Bone which will include the keys you mention.
[/quote]Yes the reason is quite simple. Designwise its better to use only icon style on high contrast (beige/gray) and text + icon on lower contrasts(orange/gray). Ofcourse i am trying also to provide more choices and reach out to people with different taste.Wait, why icon mods for bone and standard mods for Carbon?It was answered with this:
Ah, missed that, thanks.
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Maybe i should make an FAQ section haha.
My only suggestion (made it in Slack as well) is to change the Num/Scroll Lock legends to the ones from TA:Show Image(https://massdrop-s3.imgix.net/product-images/MD-5860_20150323164917_5702922c1a1aa9a6.jpg?w=1500&h=1000)
At least on the bone set.
I mentioned a kit with extra key previously with vertical function keys. I think such key and also led window keys belong there. I got specific standards for base kits but i am really looking into a kit for unusual from my perspective keys.
R5 sounds good. A lot of fans and lots of actual usage from R5 WKL sets.(https://farm5.staticflickr.com/4471/36996430604_513bec7620_k.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/YnfnTb)IMG_3611 (https://flic.kr/p/YnfnTb) by T0mb3ry (https://www.flickr.com/photos/151659186@N03/), auf Flickr
What about R0? Seems pretty rare even on vintage sets. Iris set had those and heard some complaints that they were really high and awkward. Anyone have feedback from usage?
I've seen r0 on meetup. So far i cant say anything negative about it. Also those are function keys which have rare use.
Sry if i missed someones question these are quite many responses and i got to work right now. I will try to catch up later.
Post by: holtenc on Fri, 06 July 2018, 00:30:44
R2 1u back space, R2 2u backspace, R3 1.25 tab, R3 1.75 enter.
Post by: higgga on Fri, 06 July 2018, 01:16:34
Something that I would tweak is that chemical symbol "C" have a larger C and smaller numbers. I'm not saying that the proportions of it have to be like SA Carbon, but I feel that it would look better if adjusted a little bit.
Post by: donutcat on Fri, 06 July 2018, 01:59:50
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Post by: dorf on Fri, 06 July 2018, 02:44:10
Post by: Aerizu on Fri, 06 July 2018, 04:16:40
Post by: Hokabuki on Fri, 06 July 2018, 04:25:49
some suggestions to include in the possible 40% kit:I agree completely!
R2 1u back space, R2 2u backspace, R3 1.25 tab, R3 1.75 enter.
Post by: Endeavour1934 on Fri, 06 July 2018, 05:02:32
I've seen r0 on meetup. So far i cant say anything negative about it. Also those are function keys which have rare use.Also R0 should be better for layouts without spacing between the number row and the function row, like 75% boards.
Post by: dsaf on Fri, 06 July 2018, 05:50:12
...getting useful and constructive feedback for the upcomming drop.
I own a pretty complete ISO TKL Carbon SA Round 2 (9 kits). Not a big fan of GMK but the R0-R5 business caught my attention. Not committing to buy at this point (my original plan was to get Nuntucket Selectric GMK) but based on new color combos it looks interesting. Carbon theme with bone colors is very tempting.
So saying that, my feedback/requests are the following:
1) Please, some way of putting honeycomb pattern on ISO TKL, please, please!
2) White on gray (boneyard) R0-R5 lambda keys? It's crazy big already anyway!
3) Given the popularity of Carbon how many NORDEUK colors will there be?
Post by: dsaf on Fri, 06 July 2018, 05:54:18
Post by: Oblotzky on Fri, 06 July 2018, 06:15:50
It doesn't look like Red Cadet (when talking about unusual colour schemes for Space Cadet) is happening
(https://i.imgur.com/ohDKCIO.jpg)
Post by: dsaf on Fri, 06 July 2018, 06:22:14
It doesn't look like Red Cadet (when talking about unusual colour schemes for Space Cadet) is happeningShow Image(https://i.imgur.com/ohDKCIO.jpg)
I stand embarrassingly but happily corrected :).
Post by: thelaughingman on Fri, 06 July 2018, 07:20:51
hi, you are get my support as always.
I just don't know why ,in bone base kit, icon are only for "capslock",left"shift",right"shift" and "enter" and text for "alt" and "ctrl"? May be just your preference.
For me, icon or text or mixed are good for me , I have no preference. I think only icons will be consistent.
BTW, if you have chosen icons for bone base kit modifers, is there any chance that add more icons for "pgdn" and "pgup".As I know, GMK have moulds for those icons.
just asShow Image(https://s1.ax1x.com/2018/07/06/PZuPv8.png)
YES! I'd love for the nav cluster to be Icon only too and so it is consistent with the other mods being Icon only. And a separate LED-windowed kits would be cool too!
Post by: Poesjuh on Fri, 06 July 2018, 07:53:54
Just my 2 cents obviously :)
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Post by: Oblotzky on Fri, 06 July 2018, 08:01:53
Nav cluster was text on the old boards that t0m is trying to imitate. I don't think icons outside regular mods are considered here.
Post by: schoolbus on Fri, 06 July 2018, 08:02:00
Post by: thelaughingman on Fri, 06 July 2018, 08:15:18
Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/mwbnWWE.jpg)
Nav cluster was text on the old boards that t0m is trying to imitate. I don't think icons outside regular mods are considered here.
why imitate when you can innovate :P MAKE BONE SPECIAL!!! :p
Post by: Giorgio on Fri, 06 July 2018, 08:16:30
By removing the artisans and by adding instead f1-f4 and f9-f12, you'll have the same price, but you'll drastically widen your sales. I'd buy that. I'd like to have bars on fj, but you can't have everything.
Post by: clik_clak on Fri, 06 July 2018, 08:36:41
About the nice beezarre and boneyard alphas, I suggest to add ISO compatibility by adding one r4 key (<> ) and one r3 key (#).
By removing the artisans and by adding instead f1-f4 and f9-f12, you'll have the same price, but you'll drastically widen your sales. I'd buy that. I'd like to have bars on fj, but you can't have everything.
I very highly doubt that would widen sales. Removing the novelties that are exclusive to those alphas very well may cripple sales.
If anything, an additional ISO kit should be added and the kits should be left just how they are.
Post by: rioc on Fri, 06 July 2018, 08:50:32
any eta? I'm hoping for some breathing time between GBs or I'm gonna starve ;)
Post by: Giorgio on Fri, 06 July 2018, 08:59:32
There's a small mistake in the iso keys, since R3 and R4 are identical while they shoudn't.... I'd stay with a <> on R4 and with #on R3
Post by: duynguyenle on Fri, 06 July 2018, 09:32:54
There's a small mistake in the iso keys, since R3 and R4 are identical while they shoudn't.... I'd stay with a <> on R3
That's by design iirc. Backslash on R3 is more congruent for using ANSI mapping on an ISO board. <> are usually put on the R4 key similar to ISO-DE. (similar to how it was done on the first round of GMK carbon)
Post by: rioc on Fri, 06 July 2018, 09:33:00
There's a small mistake in the iso keys, since R3 and R4 are identical while they shoudn't.... I'd stay with a <> on R3
you mean <> on R4, right?
Post by: yqliang on Fri, 06 July 2018, 09:45:05
Post by: vodanhdaisu on Fri, 06 July 2018, 09:48:59
I definitely buy it
Post by: Giorgio on Fri, 06 July 2018, 10:47:53
There's a small mistake in the iso keys, since R3 and R4 are identical while they shoudn't.... I'd stay with a <> on R3
you mean <> on R4, right?
Yeah, thanks for the correction. And on R3 a # would be better.
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Post by: T0mb3ry on Fri, 06 July 2018, 11:10:59
I've just noticed the novelties in the "Beezarre" kit and they are amazing and now I'm conflicted cause there's no good way to get them without buying an entire orange alphas kit when I really prefer Carbone :|
Sugar keys (kit related novelties) will stay as they are, because they build up on the theme of the particular kit. They are there to grand a unique key/keys for kit purchaser.
some suggestions to include in the possible 40% kit:
R2 1u back space, R2 2u backspace, R3 1.25 tab, R3 1.75 enter.
I will look into it.
Going to buy for sure.
Something that I would tweak is that chemical symbol "C" have a larger C and smaller numbers. I'm not saying that the proportions of it have to be like SA Carbon, but I feel that it would look better if adjusted a little bit.
C must have the same size as alphas. I will scale the numbers little bit down.
ALT GR?
I'll look into it but if then only in a kit with extra keys. Base sets are already huge.
...getting useful and constructive feedback for the upcomming drop.
I own a pretty complete ISO TKL Carbon SA Round 2 (9 kits). Not a big fan of GMK but the R0-R5 business caught my attention. Not committing to buy at this point (my original plan was to get Nuntucket Selectric GMK) but based on new color combos it looks interesting. Carbon theme with bone colors is very tempting.
So saying that, my feedback/requests are the following:
1) Please, some way of putting honeycomb pattern on ISO TKL, please, please!
2) White on gray (boneyard) R0-R5 lambda keys? It's crazy big already anyway!
3) Given the popularity of Carbon how many NORDEUK colors will there be?
1) Is not possible. I tried it already and i dont like it. The shape of iso enter is meh for honeycumb.
2) Will add R 0,1,2,3,4,5 as it supposed to be. I just forgot to make it. Thanks for pointing this out.
3) There will be only beige NORDEUK because even extremly popular sets like Nautilus or Lazer do sell ISO sets barely.
YES! I'd love for the nav cluster to be Icon only too and so it is consistent with the other mods being Icon only. And a separate LED-windowed kits would be cool too!
Only in an icon specific kit which will definitely come. Bone Base kit will stay OG Icon.
About the nice beezarre and boneyard alphas, I suggest to add ISO compatibility by adding one r4 key (<> ) and one r3 key (#).
By removing the artisans and by adding instead f1-f4 and f9-f12, you'll have the same price, but you'll drastically widen your sales. I'd buy that. I'd like to have bars on fj, but you can't have everything.
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There's a small mistake in the iso keys, since R3 and R4 are identical while they shoudn't.... I'd stay with a <> on R4 and with #on R3
The backslash pipe keys are filler keys and are intentionally there and they will be also added to the beezarre and bonyard alphas. I just forgot to add these during setup :)) . Thanks for pointing this out ;) . The key <> you want will be a part of NORDEUK kit.
The sugar keys will stay as they are to make those kits sweet :D .
Post by: T0mb3ry on Fri, 06 July 2018, 11:15:28
Might have to skip on space cadet.
Dont do that. You will cry every night if you do that. :))
(http://gifs.joelglovier.com/crying/peter-parker-crying.gif)
Post by: Oblotzky on Fri, 06 July 2018, 11:18:40
Might have to skip on space cadet.
Dont do that. You will cry every night if you do that. :))
This. There should be at least two months between Space Cadet GB ending and Carbon R2 launching, so there should be some time to gather funds. And now I feel like a drug dealer.
Post by: Vigrith on Fri, 06 July 2018, 11:26:48
Post by: thelaughingman on Fri, 06 July 2018, 11:48:43
YES! I'd love for the nav cluster to be Icon only too and so it is consistent with the other mods being Icon only. And a separate LED-windowed kits would be cool too!Only in an icon specific kit which will definitely come. Bone Base kit will stay OG Icon.
Nice :thumb: would such icon specific kit also has the Yuri icon bottom row?
Post by: T0mb3ry on Fri, 06 July 2018, 11:51:22
YES! I'd love for the nav cluster to be Icon only too and so it is consistent with the other mods being Icon only. And a separate LED-windowed kits would be cool too!Only in an icon specific kit which will definitely come. Bone Base kit will stay OG Icon.
Nice :thumb: would such icon specific kit also has the Yuri icon bottom row?
Sure thats the porpose of that kit. Tho it will be only compatible with the bone base kit.
Post by: Cas on Fri, 06 July 2018, 11:55:26
Post by: rowie on Fri, 06 July 2018, 12:18:57
Post by: Oblotzky on Fri, 06 July 2018, 12:23:29
I love the new Bone sets. I wish there was support for a centered stem stepped capslock key in the rolling bones for those of us that love standard basic layouts. Still, I’m in for at least most the Bone sets. Great start!
Post by: T0mb3ry on Fri, 06 July 2018, 12:28:58
I love the new Bone sets. I wish there was support for a centered stem stepped capslock key in the rolling bones for those of us that love standard basic layouts. Still, I’m in for at least most the Bone sets. Great start!
Sorry there is no cherry profile stepped caps lock with centered stem.
Post by: rowie on Fri, 06 July 2018, 12:29:10
I love the new Bone sets. I wish there was support for a centered stem stepped capslock key in the rolling bones for those of us that love standard basic layouts. Still, I’m in for at least most the Bone sets. Great start!It's on the right side, might be a little confusing as people assume that's where the Return key is, but the size is listed as 1.75uNevermind I thought you ment regular capslock. I'm not sure if GMK even does centered stepped
Thanks, maybe I need to get a keyboard that supports these stepped capslock. I have a bunch of sets with these stepped capslock I’m not able to use. Any keyboards you can recommend that is close to a standard layout and supports these stepped keys?
Post by: rowie on Fri, 06 July 2018, 12:33:55
Ok thanks, if you as well have any recommendations for keyboards that support these stepped capslock keys I’d appreciate it.I love the new Bone sets. I wish there was support for a centered stem stepped capslock key in the rolling bones for those of us that love standard basic layouts. Still, I’m in for at least most the Bone sets. Great start!
Sorry there is no cherry profile stepped caps lock with centered stem.
Post by: T0mb3ry on Fri, 06 July 2018, 12:36:42
- Added iso filler keys to Beezarre and Boneyard kits.
- Added missing beige on gray Lambda keys to Half-Life kit
I love the new Bone sets. I wish there was support for a centered stem stepped capslock key in the rolling bones for those of us that love standard basic layouts. Still, I’m in for at least most the Bone sets. Great start!It's on the right side, might be a little confusing as people assume that's where the Return key is, but the size is listed as 1.75uNevermind I thought you ment regular capslock. I'm not sure if GMK even does centered stepped
Thanks, maybe I need to get a keyboard that supports these stepped capslock. I have a bunch of sets with these stepped capslock I’m not able to use. Any keyboards you can recommend that is close to a standard layout and supports these stepped keys?
Get a custom keyboard. Sooner or later you will purchase a custom keyboard anyway. ;) Here are plenty of interest checks and group buys for custom keyboards. Give it a try you will not regret it.
Post by: schoolbus on Fri, 06 July 2018, 12:38:39
I love the new Bone sets. I wish there was support for a centered stem stepped capslock key in the rolling bones for those of us that love standard basic layouts. Still, I’m in for at least most the Bone sets. Great start!It's on the right side, might be a little confusing as people assume that's where the Return key is, but the size is listed as 1.75uNevermind I thought you ment regular capslock. I'm not sure if GMK even does centered stepped
Thanks, maybe I need to get a keyboard that supports these stepped capslock. I have a bunch of sets with these stepped capslock I’m not able to use. Any keyboards you can recommend that is close to a standard layout and supports these stepped keys?
Sadly there aren't a lot of off the shelf keyboards these days that offer stepped capslock besides like this (https://www.amazon.com/Cherry-Switch-Standard-Corded-Keyboard/dp/B0018ACJXW or other "vintage cherry" boards), your best bet/option is to buy one someone's already pre-built or build one of your own.
Post by: rowie on Fri, 06 July 2018, 12:41:27
Small update.Oh thanks I’ll try it. I guess I just need to ask a maker if their boards supports stepped capslock keys. Layout wise, is it generally wkl layouts? Sorry I’ve never ventured into the realm of customs.
- Added iso filler keys to Beezarre and Boneyard kits.
- Added missing beige on gray Lambda keys to Half-Life kitI love the new Bone sets. I wish there was support for a centered stem stepped capslock key in the rolling bones for those of us that love standard basic layouts. Still, I’m in for at least most the Bone sets. Great start!It's on the right side, might be a little confusing as people assume that's where the Return key is, but the size is listed as 1.75uNevermind I thought you ment regular capslock. I'm not sure if GMK even does centered stepped
Thanks, maybe I need to get a keyboard that supports these stepped capslock. I have a bunch of sets with these stepped capslock I’m not able to use. Any keyboards you can recommend that is close to a standard layout and supports these stepped keys?
Get a custom keyboard. Sooner or later you will purchase a custom keyboard anyway. ;) Here are plenty of interest checks and group buys for custom keyboards. Give it a try you will not regret it.
Post by: rowie on Fri, 06 July 2018, 12:42:42
Ok this makes sense now! Thanks. I was thinking to look for certain layouts. Now I know it’s mostly found in vintage keyboard.I love the new Bone sets. I wish there was support for a centered stem stepped capslock key in the rolling bones for those of us that love standard basic layouts. Still, I’m in for at least most the Bone sets. Great start!It's on the right side, might be a little confusing as people assume that's where the Return key is, but the size is listed as 1.75uNevermind I thought you ment regular capslock. I'm not sure if GMK even does centered stepped
Thanks, maybe I need to get a keyboard that supports these stepped capslock. I have a bunch of sets with these stepped capslock I’m not able to use. Any keyboards you can recommend that is close to a standard layout and supports these stepped keys?
Sadly there aren't a lot of off the shelf keyboards these days that offer stepped capslock besides like this (https://www.amazon.com/Cherry-Switch-Standard-Corded-Keyboard/dp/B0018ACJXW or other "vintage cherry" boards), your best bet/option is to buy a pre-built one or build one of your own.
ETA: thanks for the link. I may end up getting this board.
Post by: Chromatrope on Fri, 06 July 2018, 12:54:28
Post by: yinzer on Fri, 06 July 2018, 16:11:02
I'd be curious to see the cost of the kit, but my vote would be for less keys if it brings the cost down. There's a lot that could be eliminated here without compromising the kit.
Post by: Poesjuh on Fri, 06 July 2018, 16:17:39
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Post by: oldcat on Fri, 06 July 2018, 16:59:06
Post by: T0mb3ry on Fri, 06 July 2018, 18:02:30
- Added new extension kit "Ivory mods". Whole kit is subject to change. The extra keys in this kit will be available for existing base sets in an external kit.
(https://i.imgur.com/OJhCAK2.png)
- Added Upgrade kit for GMK Carbon round 1 owners.
(https://i.imgur.com/KcNak7p.png)
What will the vertical function and accent kit look like?Those function keys are thought to be for keyboards like VEA (see the picture below). I need to brainstorm about it little bit more before i make a kit for it.
(https://farm5.staticflickr.com/4460/37706813881_2362bac32d_k.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/Zs2h5H)IMG_3650 (https://flic.kr/p/Zs2h5H) by T0mb3ry (https://www.flickr.com/photos/151659186@N03/), auf Flickr
Way too many keys in the ergoplanck kit imo.
I'd be curious to see the cost of the kit, but my vote would be for less keys if it brings the cost down. There's a lot that could be eliminated here without compromising the kit.
I dont have the cost yet but i dont want also reduce the coverage. Compared to Yuri it has new row5 keys and 6 convex 2u keys. So actually its not that big. As long as it hits its moq it is fine.
Post by: dead_pixel_design on Fri, 06 July 2018, 18:15:20
Those function keys are thought to be for keyboards like VEA (see the picture below). I need to brainstorm about it little bit more before i make a kit for it.
A lot of VE.As went with a 2u delete key above the Backspace, maybe we could see a 2u R0 Delete key?
Post by: yinzer on Fri, 06 July 2018, 18:37:24
Way too many keys in the ergoplanck kit imo.
I'd be curious to see the cost of the kit, but my vote would be for less keys if it brings the cost down. There's a lot that could be eliminated here without compromising the kit.
I dont have the cost yet but i dont want also reduce the coverage. Compared to Yuri it has new row5 keys and 6 convex 2u keys. So actually its not that big. As long as it hits its moq it is fine.
Unless I'm counting wrong, there's about 40 more keys in this set than Yuri. That's quite a jump. ;)
I'm not trying to discourage going for maximum coverage. I'm just trying to voice that you could shed some of the optional keys if the price is high. 15 2u keys is a lot. Maybe just have either R4 or R5 instead of both.
Ultimately, none of this matters if the price is right ... GMK Carbon 2 is sure to bring big numbers, but I'm still a little concerned that it's going to be an expensive buy compared to the cost of a less-robust ergo or ortho kit. Even if it gets MOQ, you gotta try and leave people with some money to buy one of those cool alternative alphas kits. :thumb:
Post by: donutcat on Fri, 06 July 2018, 19:06:37
Update.
- Added new extension kit "Ivory mods". Whole kit is subject to change. The extra keys in this kit will be available for existing base sets in an external kit.
Oof. Looks like now I'll need to add that to my Bone Base and Boneyard kits. Mercy on my wallet plx.
Post by: elfick on Fri, 06 July 2018, 20:54:35
Post by: thelaughingman on Fri, 06 July 2018, 21:12:34
Sure thats the porpose of that kit. Tho it will be only compatible with the bone base kit.Nice :thumb: would such icon specific kit also has the Yuri icon bottom row?YES! I'd love for the nav cluster to be Icon only too and so it is consistent with the other mods being Icon only. And a separate LED-windowed kits would be cool too!Only in an icon specific kit which will definitely come. Bone Base kit will stay OG Icon.
hahaha at this point my would be purchase is Bone base, Boneyards and "Bone Icon". MAKE BONE GREAT! :p
Post by: thelaughingman on Fri, 06 July 2018, 21:17:38
Update.
- Added new extension kit "Ivory mods". Whole kit is subject to change. The extra keys in this kit will be available for existing base sets in an external kit.Show Image(https://i.imgur.com/OJhCAK2.png)
Oooof, can I get a render of Ivory mods + Boneyards alphas please? So Bone base kit + Bone icon for my
- Added Upgrade kit for GMK Carbon round 1 owners.Show Image(https://i.imgur.com/KcNak7p.png)
Why is it R1 and R5 in this kit? Shouldn't it be R0 and R5 instead?
Update.Oof. Looks like now I'll need to add that to my Bone Base and Boneyard kits. Mercy on my wallet plx.
- Added new extension kit "Ivory mods". Whole kit is subject to change. The extra keys in this kit will be available for existing base sets in an external kit.
I feel you bro :-[
Post by: Corgiattackkk on Fri, 06 July 2018, 21:52:48
Post by: dvorcol on Fri, 06 July 2018, 23:02:10
Update.
- Added new extension kit "Ivory mods". Whole kit is subject to change. The extra keys in this kit will be available for existing base sets in an external kit.Show Image(https://i.imgur.com/OJhCAK2.png)
- Added Upgrade kit for GMK Carbon round 1 owners.Show Image(https://i.imgur.com/KcNak7p.png)
...
I think there's a label error in the Upgrade kit picture. This kit contains R0 & R5, right? (Not R1.)
Post by: dallman5 on Fri, 06 July 2018, 23:12:27
That said I’m going to have a hard time not buying all of them
Post by: ItsAllen on Sat, 07 July 2018, 00:21:58
Post by: T0mb3ry on Sat, 07 July 2018, 01:19:27
Ergoplanck kit
- Removed 3 convext 2u keys as there are already 6 of those available
- Added missing barred homing keys.
(https://i.imgur.com/3KADfDF.png)
Round 1 Upgrade kit
- Fixed row labels.
(https://i.imgur.com/u0pfoeR.png)
R1 in the upgrade kit is just an error and is fixed. Thanks for pointing this out ;)
I know there already many kits. But it does not mean you need to get them all. Basically getting just one base kit should be enough to make you happy. Everything else is just an option.
I've added those ivory alphas also as an option. I see many of you will probably get boneyard and i do think that it is actually a bad thing if the alphas from the base kit are going to be wasted. With ivory mods you got the option to utilize the spare alphas.
Otherwise you can also get Ivory mods + Boneyard alphas in order to make inversed Bone base kit.
Or you can get just only the Ivory mods and mix it with some upcomming GMK set.
I am honored to hear people want to buy every kit because that means i've designed these interesting.
However it is not my intention to bring you to cash out. My Intention is to provide proper coverage (base kits) and options (everything else).
You should probably ask yourself what you really need. In my opinion if you like Carbon or Bone sets then you need only a base set.
Way too many keys in the ergoplanck kit imo.
I'd be curious to see the cost of the kit, but my vote would be for less keys if it brings the cost down. There's a lot that could be eliminated here without compromising the kit.
I dont have the cost yet but i dont want also reduce the coverage. Compared to Yuri it has new row5 keys and 6 convex 2u keys. So actually its not that big. As long as it hits its moq it is fine.
Unless I'm counting wrong, there's about 40 more keys in this set than Yuri. That's quite a jump. ;)
I'm not trying to discourage going for maximum coverage. I'm just trying to voice that you could shed some of the optional keys if the price is high. 15 2u keys is a lot. Maybe just have either R4 or R5 instead of both.
Ultimately, none of this matters if the price is right ... GMK Carbon 2 is sure to bring big numbers, but I'm still a little concerned that it's going to be an expensive buy compared to the cost of a less-robust ergo or ortho kit. Even if it gets MOQ, you gotta try and leave people with some money to buy one of those cool alternative alphas kits. :thumb:
Sure it will cost something but you dont need to buy standard base sets as it was the case before. As i said compared to Yuri (Alphas aside) i've added only row5 keys for a bottom and 8 convex 2u keys (actually i have to remove 3 of those because they are all row4). Thats not much. Overall it will cost less and i hope people will keep in mind that ergoplanck kit has alphas already included.
Having never used R5, I'm curious if anyone knows if it creates a sharp edge for those that use their thumb for the bottom row?
I have BSP set with row 5 keys and they are noticable if you switch from row4 bottom row but not sharp. If you got low agnle keyboard you should probably stick with round 1 carbon. Imo 8-9% angle keyboards should be the golden standard.
A lot of VE.As went with a 2u delete key above the Backspace, maybe we could see a 2u R0 Delete key?
Unfortunately right now this is not possible. There is no 2u R0 key available. Making new mold for a key with legends is very expensive and i dont think GMK is going to invest money in a mold for a snowflake key.
Post by: Max_P0 on Sat, 07 July 2018, 01:57:27
Post by: Max_P0 on Sat, 07 July 2018, 01:59:37
Goin down on some bones.
Ban this guy!!!!
Post by: dorf on Sat, 07 July 2018, 02:21:44
ALT GR?
Can you please add "ALT GR" also?
Post by: T0mb3ry on Sat, 07 July 2018, 02:27:10
I've answered this before but.ALT GR?
Can you please add "ALT GR" also?
Base sets are already huge. I can only add "alt gr" keys to the extra kit (kit with extra keys). Ivory mods will probably include the keys from the extra kit in beige per default.
Post by: euphxenos on Sat, 07 July 2018, 03:09:01
Post by: dsaf on Sat, 07 July 2018, 03:37:23
1) Is not possible. I tried it already and i dont like it. The shape of iso enter is meh for honeycumb.
I understand your point about ISO enter, but what about R3 capslock / R2 tab / R4 long shift / R1 backspace? Those keys are long enough for a two/three pattern honeycomb. I have seen people putting SA honeycomb on those - although in wrong row shape. Sorry if I come across stubborn - just want to exhaust all options.
It would give more options not just to ISO users but everyone:
(https://geekhack.org/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=88383.0;attach=165233;image)
Post by: T0mb3ry on Sat, 07 July 2018, 04:17:38
- Added missing row5 1u Fn key to Carbon/Bone base kits, Ivory mods and Round 1 Upgrade kit.
Please consider adding an R5 1U Fn key to support 65% layouts that use Fn in the bottom row (Tada68, most Whitefox layouts).
Read above the Update note ;) Thanks for pointing this out. :thumb:
1) Is not possible. I tried it already and i dont like it. The shape of iso enter is meh for honeycumb.
I understand your point about ISO enter, but what about R3 capslock / R2 tab / R4 long shift / R1 backspace? Those keys are long enough for a two/three pattern honeycomb. I have seen people putting SA honeycomb on those - although in wrong row shape. Sorry if I come across stubborn - just want to exhaust all options.
It would give more options not just to ISO users but everyone:Show Image(https://geekhack.org/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=88383.0;attach=165233;image)
I've made a sketch for graphene mods already in SA Carbon Round 2 and i did not liked it. Overall i am very cautious if it comes to novelties and actually Carbon has already to many novelties. I may consider adding graphene 2u backspace to novelty kit but this is not a promise.
Post by: Poesjuh on Sat, 07 July 2018, 05:34:43
The Ivory kit seems to have led indicator caps for capslock, scroll lock, etc. The base kits don’t seem to have these. Will these be added or come in an extra kit? (I like my indicator leds :P)
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Post by: _joe_king on Sat, 07 July 2018, 22:09:48
Post by: T0mb3ry on Sun, 08 July 2018, 04:03:26
- Added new extension "Bone Icon Extension kit". Afaik all the icons do already exist and i am using my source of information which i cant publish.
(https://i.imgur.com/CqAXGLh.png)
@T0mb3ry.
The Ivory kit seems to have led indicator caps for capslock, scroll lock, etc. The base kits don’t seem to have these. Will these be added or come in an extra kit? (I like my indicator leds :P)
They will come in an extra kit. Base sets are already huge and led indicator keys are optional imo. The ivory kit is also an subject to change. I've just added those led indicator keys for the overview.
Post by: Poesjuh on Sun, 08 July 2018, 04:42:06
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Post by: Oblotzky on Sun, 08 July 2018, 04:55:57
(https://media0.giphy.com/media/3oAt21Fnr4i54uK8vK/giphy.gif)
Post by: T0mb3ry on Sun, 08 July 2018, 05:03:46
Still no weebs kit(http://68.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_llhxpc6EFF1qzfgz0.gif)Show Image(https://media0.giphy.com/media/3oAt21Fnr4i54uK8vK/giphy.gif)
Post by: thelaughingman on Sun, 08 July 2018, 09:54:45
Post by: ckofy on Sun, 08 July 2018, 10:06:04
This is really good that you are planning to have a separate kit for ErgoDox/ortho.
Post by: Zuology on Sun, 08 July 2018, 11:03:20
Post by: T0mb3ry on Sun, 08 July 2018, 16:10:38
Introduction of 40% kit.
I want to appologize to minivan owners but i can not support this keyboard. I got my own reasons for it. I am really sorry. I wish i could give it support but its not possible.
(https://i.imgur.com/x9SrtL4.png)
So far all other 40% layouts (only default layout) should be covered. This kit is an extension and should be combined with Carbon or Bone base kits. I think its also possible to use it in combination with GMK Carbon base set from round 1.
All the split spacebars and keys will be available in an spacebar kit.
Aren’t these R0, R5 are the same height/slope as the corresponding rows in DCS profile? I’m not sure how I will feel about it, I like Cherry profile for been lower than DCS and I do not like the steep bottom row keys in DCS.
This is really good that you are planning to have a separate kit for ErgoDox/ortho.
I've never tried dcs profile properly and i cant say anything about it. However i've typed on bsp sets which have row5 bottom row and i would not say that the higher angle was an issue. But if you are interested in Ergoplanck kit then you have the choice between row 4 and 5 bottomrow. So it should not be an issue in this case.
Bones kits are making me truly look at Carbon for the first time ever. Basically have two full kits between Bone Base, Boneyard Alphas, Ivory Mods, plus the new Bone Icon Extensions!
This is good to hear, because bone was made in order to give people who dont like orange color an option.
Post by: duynguyenle on Sun, 08 July 2018, 16:22:57
Post by: T0mb3ry on Sun, 08 July 2018, 16:33:26
There's quite a lot of kits and messages to go through. If I'm reading this correctly? If you have R1 base kit, you only need to buy the R0/R5 kit to achieve parity with the round 2 base kit is that correct? If yes that is good news because I can then use leftover money to get some of the other colour options. Those boneyard alphas especially ;D
Exactly. You need just to buy the "Round 1 Upgrage kit". You can also use alphas (boneyard or beezarre) without the upgrade as long you dont use numpad alphas. Numpad alphas do have row 5 bottom rows so you have to keep that in mind.
Post by: Oblotzky on Sun, 08 July 2018, 16:35:17
Post by: T0mb3ry on Sun, 08 July 2018, 18:05:57
There's quite a lot of kits and messages to go through. If I'm reading this correctly? If you have R1 base kit, you only need to buy the R0/R5 kit to achieve parity with the round 2 base kit is that correct? If yes that is good news because I can then use leftover money to get some of the other colour options. Those boneyard alphas especially ;D
One thing tho. Parity if you mean 1:1 will not be possible. Round 2 base set in its current form has way more compability compared to round 1. Just look at the nav cluster keys. By upgrading it with the dedicated kit you will get just R0 and R5 rows and some new keys. But it will not provide parity in case of compability.
Post by: thelaughingman on Sun, 08 July 2018, 18:54:11
Don't forget to grab R0 Warning Signs if you have those in the function row currently.
I kinda regret buying the Warning Sign kit from R1, turns out I wasn't that into skulls. It was the 1st kit I offloaded LOL
Post by: oldcat on Sun, 08 July 2018, 19:59:11
Update.
- Added new extension "Bone Icon Extension kit". Afaik all the icons do already exist and i am using my source of information which i cant publish.Show Image(https://i.imgur.com/CqAXGLh.png)@T0mb3ry.
The Ivory kit seems to have led indicator caps for capslock, scroll lock, etc. The base kits don’t seem to have these. Will these be added or come in an extra kit? (I like my indicator leds :P)
They will come in an extra kit. Base sets are already huge and led indicator keys are optional imo. The ivory kit is also an subject to change. I've just added those led indicator keys for the overview.
Wow amazing. Just start the GB and take my money pls.
Post by: bthezebra on Sun, 08 July 2018, 20:02:41
I am very into this as well, but don't know what kits I will get, what are you shooting for?Update.
- Added new extension "Bone Icon Extension kit". Afaik all the icons do already exist and i am using my source of information which i cant publish.Show Image(https://i.imgur.com/CqAXGLh.png)@T0mb3ry.
The Ivory kit seems to have led indicator caps for capslock, scroll lock, etc. The base kits don’t seem to have these. Will these be added or come in an extra kit? (I like my indicator leds :P)
They will come in an extra kit. Base sets are already huge and led indicator keys are optional imo. The ivory kit is also an subject to change. I've just added those led indicator keys for the overview.
Wow amazing. Just start the GB and take my money pls.
Post by: veeshush on Mon, 09 July 2018, 08:55:57
Post by: T0mb3ry on Mon, 09 July 2018, 10:16:12
Any chance of running the novelty R0 caps in R1 as well, in R0 they wouldn't work on a 60%
I will add those keys in the next update ;) .
Post by: T0mb3ry on Mon, 09 July 2018, 12:24:00
VOTE HERE FOR SPACEBAR COLORS (https://www.strawpoll.me/16048021)
Post by: Oblotzky on Mon, 09 July 2018, 12:38:41
(https://i.imgur.com/kZvVr6u.jpg)
Post by: T0mb3ry on Mon, 09 July 2018, 12:42:15
IMO you don't need Spacebars (6u, 6.25u, 7u) in another kit since every color is already covered through base/beezarre/boneyard. I would do spacekeys only (1.25u, 1.75u, 2u convex, 2.25u, 2.75u)Show Image(https://i.imgur.com/kZvVr6u.jpg)
This is also possibility.
Love the accurate carbon gray color in your render ;)
Post by: Vigrith on Mon, 09 July 2018, 13:02:14
Post by: T0mb3ry on Mon, 09 July 2018, 13:58:41
Novelties.
- Added R1 1u Carbon Logos
- Adjusted Carbon periodic table representation. The atomic number and mass value has been scaled down little bit.
(https://i.imgur.com/4mBNhqP.png)
Space kit
- Introduction of space kit.
(https://i.imgur.com/4Auz60C.png)
Post by: Poesjuh on Mon, 09 July 2018, 14:05:23
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Post by: MikeTheTiger on Mon, 09 July 2018, 16:19:08
Post by: projectcain on Mon, 09 July 2018, 16:31:56
I have a JD40/45 split space keyboard that I would like to outfit with this. From the looks of your 40% kit, you want to stay with the traditional 2,3,4,4 GMK row configuration for 40% keyboards. The space keys kit compliments that plan nicely as well.
However, I’m wondering where we will get the rest of the R4 1.25u keys to fill out the bottom row (control, alt, super, etc)
Sorry if I’m missing something somewhere
Post by: MikeTheTiger on Mon, 09 July 2018, 16:51:15
Hi here - been lurking around here for a while now and just made an account to post a question.
I have a JD40/45 split space keyboard that I would like to outfit with this. From the looks of your 40% kit, you want to stay with the traditional 2,3,4,4 GMK row configuration for 40% keyboards. The space keys kit compliments that plan nicely as well.
However, I’m wondering where we will get the rest of the R4 1.25u keys to fill out the bottom row (control, alt, super, etc)
Sorry if I’m missing something somewhere
Actually, now that I think about it. What boards is the 40’s kit focused on?
Post by: T0mb3ry on Mon, 09 July 2018, 17:26:43
Hi here - been lurking around here for a while now and just made an account to post a question.
I have a JD40/45 split space keyboard that I would like to outfit with this. From the looks of your 40% kit, you want to stay with the traditional 2,3,4,4 GMK row configuration for 40% keyboards. The space keys kit compliments that plan nicely as well.
However, I’m wondering where we will get the rest of the R4 1.25u keys to fill out the bottom row (control, alt, super, etc)
Sorry if I’m missing something somewhere
Welcome to Geekhack :)
Actually if you look at the kits you will not find any bottom row with row4. If you look at 40% kit its categorized as the extension kit and that means you need to get either carbon or bone base kit in order to use it. From one of the metnioned base kits you need the alphas and the bottom row which is row 5. So it will be rows 2,3,4,5.
I think another alternative would be to get one of the alpha kits for alphas (beezarre or boneyard) and Round 1 Upgrade kit for bottom row.
Probably the 40% kit might also work with GMK Carbon round 1 but this is just my assumption.
Actually, now that I think about it. What boards is the 40’s kit focused on?Actually it supports almost every 40% keyboard (which i know) with staggerd alphas layout.
I’m drooling over which kits I plan on getting. I would like to see the 40’s kit have mods added to support Planck/Preonic layouts. I’m not much of a fan of using blanks from the Ergoplank kit. Otherwise, awesome job!!!
I can understand the excitement but i would like suggest to be cuatious with kit choices. Current kits are very generous and they will be expensive in the current state. For example i do not expect base kits (Carbon and Bone and i got no idea about the Ergoplanck) to cost less than 160$ at 250 MOQ (lowest MOQ) and i did not considered the row 0 and row 5 factors. But this is only my assumptions for lowest moq and you should take it with a grain of salt. The cost calculation are very complex and i dont know these anyway. So imo its better to drive back the expectations and look out for what you really need. Where is high probability that i will chop through the kits in order to reduce the pricing.
I’m gonna be that guy... but I’d love to be able to get orange 6,25 and 7u spaces as accent for the bone kit (purchase seperately), guess that’s put of the window right?
If you want extra spacebars, then please vote here: https://www.strawpoll.me/16048021
I dont think i will be able to offer spacebars for every color. The main issue here is the MOQ of 100 kits.
Post by: projectcain on Mon, 09 July 2018, 17:52:32
Post by: T0mb3ry on Mon, 09 July 2018, 17:56:03
It looks like to cover this keyboard I would need to have a bottom row with R4 1.75u space keys and R5 mods.
Yes indeed. Unfortunately there is no 1.75u key for row 5 available.
Post by: MikeTheTiger on Mon, 09 July 2018, 18:56:24
I can understand the excitement but i would like suggest to be cuatious with kit choices. Current kits are very generous and they will be expensive in the current state. For example i do not expect base kits (Carbon and Bone and i got no idea about the Ergoplanck) to cost less than 160$ at 250 MOQ (lowest MOQ) and i did not considered the row 0 and row 5 factors. But this is only my assumptions for lowest moq and you should take it with a grain of salt. The cost calculation are very complex and i dont know these anyway. So imo its better to drive back the expectations and look out for what you really need. Where is high probability that i will chop through the kits in order to reduce the pricing
Actually, anytime Carbon comes around...money is no object! :p
Post by: elfick on Mon, 09 July 2018, 20:49:24
Actually, anytime Carbon comes around...money is no object! :pTruth.
I yell at my wife, "CARBON IS DROPPING!" and she just sighs and hands me the credit card....
Post by: MikeTheTiger on Mon, 09 July 2018, 21:49:55
Actually, anytime Carbon comes around...money is no object! :pTruth.
I yell at my wife, "CARBON IS DROPPING!" and she just sighs and hands me the credit card....
Lol ;D
Post by: goodman247 on Mon, 09 July 2018, 22:50:04
Post by: projectcain on Tue, 10 July 2018, 01:28:39
It looks like to cover this keyboard I would need to have a bottom row with R4 1.75u space keys and R5 mods.
Yes indeed. Unfortunately there is no 1.75u key for row 5 available.
Ah that's a bummer. It would suck to have incorrect row coverage. I'm curious as to what setup would be using the 1.75u space keys in R4, if the bottom row should be R5? Would it make more sense to switch those to R5 as well?
Post by: Endeavour1934 on Tue, 10 July 2018, 09:17:12
Round 1 Upgrade kitActually, I'd prefer an upgrade kit with the new novelties for R4, but I know it's not possible. The thing is I've tried R5 and I don't like its angle at all. But maybe it's just me.
- Fixed row labels.Show Image(https://i.imgur.com/u0pfoeR.png)
R1 in the upgrade kit is just an error and is fixed. Thanks for pointing this out ;)
I know there already many kits. But it does not mean you need to get them all. Basically getting just one base kit should be enough to make you happy. Everything else is just an option.
Having never used R5, I'm curious if anyone knows if it creates a sharp edge for those that use their thumb for the bottom row?This is exactly my problem, I have a set of R5 mods and they feel like they're just the opposite of what a bottom row should be: SA has a flat R3 on the bottom row; a lot of membrane boards have a rounded profile for the bottom row; even a lot of people flip their spacebars on OEM and Cherry profile sets because they find the downwards angle on the bottom row more comfortable. R5 is the opposite of all that.
I have BSP set with row 5 keys and they are noticable if you switch from row4 bottom row but not sharp. If you got low agnle keyboard you should probably stick with round 1 carbon. Imo 8-9% angle keyboards should be the golden standard.R5 may work very well for those keyboards, but for most others with 3-6° it may not be the best option.
I understand the appeal of having a full sculpted set, and I'm not saying that you should change it back to R4, but I think an optional R4 bottom row is a more important option/kit than half of the new kits, at least for me.
- Added new extension "Bone Icon Extension kit". Afaik all the icons do already exist and i am using my source of information which i cant publish.If you are using the same icons from Originative Red Honey, the PgUp and PgDn icons only have two horizontal bars crossing the arrow, not three.
Also the Delete key from the Originative set and your mockup has a narrow 'X' character inside, instead of a proper ×, and in person it looks very bad.
Post by: grizzly_teddy on Tue, 10 July 2018, 10:33:02
2. I think numpad kits should be separate
Really like everything else, especially row 0/5. Wish some of the legends could be "upside down". I know a lot of people like me, want to invert the bottom row so that it is actually angled up, especially by the thumbs. But that would probably be new molds unfortunately.
Post by: Oblotzky on Tue, 10 July 2018, 10:39:27
1. What is row 4c
2. I think numpad kits should be separate
Really like everything else, especially row 0/5. Wish some of the legends could be "upside down". I know a lot of people like me, want to invert the bottom row so that it is actually angled up, especially by the thumbs. But that would probably be new molds unfortunately.
1. The C stands for Convex, refers to the key's top surface. Spacebars are Convex shaped:
(https://oblotzky.github.io/gmk-oblivion/images/cherry_profile.png)
2. GMK sets need to be kept as a base kit, it creates a lot of extra cost to split things up with that manufacturer. I only advise doing Numpad kits with other manufacturers like Signature Plastics.
Post by: T0mb3ry on Tue, 10 July 2018, 11:53:13
I understand the appeal of having a full sculpted set, and I'm not saying that you should change it back to R4, but I think an optional R4 bottom row is a more important option/kit than half of the new kits, at least for me.
I got already too many kits and two kits (International and Extra keys) are still missing. So i dont want to introduce any new kits. Keep in mind each kit has an MOQ of 100. If you need row 4 keys, you can try to get round 1 GMK Carbon on MM. Guess since its known round 2 is coming the prices inflated a little bit. Round 1 had almost 2k base kits so it would be acutally easy task to find one.
If you are using the same icons from Originative Red Honey, the PgUp and PgDn icons only have two horizontal bars crossing the arrow, not three.
Also the Delete key from the Originative set and your mockup has a narrow 'X' character inside, instead of a proper ×, and in person it looks very bad.
Thanks for the info. I will correct the icons in my mockups. I've never seen cluster icons in person but they are in that kit for people who like those. I am personaly not a fan of icon mods (tho i like only og cherry icons) but everyone has its own taste.
Ah that's a bummer. It would suck to have incorrect row coverage. I'm curious as to what setup would be using the 1.75u space keys in R4, if the bottom row should be R5? Would it make more sense to switch those to R5 as well?The 1.75u row4 keys are there as filler because there is no key in that size for row5. I am sorry but there is nothing i could do about.
Post by: T0mb3ry on Tue, 10 July 2018, 12:28:29
The higher key is row 5 from BSP set.
(https://i.imgur.com/4DLsdOm.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/RN3txFb.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/Admx8rW.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/rZYuMsV.jpg)
Post by: Cas on Tue, 10 July 2018, 14:00:28
Post by: T0mb3ry on Tue, 10 July 2018, 14:21:12
Seems much higher, is it comfortable?
Personal preference. If you change from row4 to row5 you will notice it. But you get used to over time. I made the photos extra with these dramatic angles. But row5 is still shorter than row3 sa and its also shorter than IBM keycaps (at least if i compare it with my model f ).
Also here is the row 5 in combination with rows 1,2,3 and 4. As you can see it continues the curve of cherry profile. With row 4 bottom row you have more like a curve interrupted by a step.
(https://i.imgur.com/y5Ob6Ji.png)
Post by: elfick on Tue, 10 July 2018, 15:19:22
Post by: grizzly_teddy on Tue, 10 July 2018, 15:45:13
1. The C stands for Convex, refers to the key's top surface. Spacebars are Convex shaped
Oh okay that's cool. I don't think I have ever seen those 1u and 2u 4c keys ever. Got a pic or render?
Post by: schoolbus on Tue, 10 July 2018, 15:50:25
1. The C stands for Convex, refers to the key's top surface. Spacebars are Convex shaped
Oh okay that's cool. I don't think I have ever seen those 1u and 2u 4c keys ever. Got a pic or render?
They've been in like the last 3 GMK drops from MD, they're quite literally tiny spacebars.
Post by: T0mb3ry on Tue, 10 July 2018, 16:10:47
The upgrade kit will be renamed to vintage kit and it will offer row 0 and row 5 keys in Carbon colors. Its obvous i cant support both Bone and Carbon colorways. I also need to look into by how much row 5 1.25u key might affect the pricing of such vintage kit. Probably that key will not be introduced.
Post by: Poesjuh on Tue, 10 July 2018, 17:31:30
kinda sad. I love the R0 and 5 idea. I thought that was such a cool and unique idea. This is me hoping the antique kit will be for the bone kit now
Don’t get me wrong, if the masses prefer R1-4 I understand the decision, just disappointed if that turns out to be the case.
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Post by: schoolbus on Tue, 10 July 2018, 17:49:25
Ok it seems like row 5 and row 0 are niche thing. I will change all kits to standard rows as it used to be - rows 1,1,2,3,4,4.
Dislike!
Post by: dvorcol on Tue, 10 July 2018, 18:01:25
Ok it seems like row 5 and row 0 are niche thing.
Is this based on the results of a poll?
Post by: projectcain on Tue, 10 July 2018, 18:11:11
Ok it seems like row 5 and row 0 are niche thing.
Is this based on the results of a poll?
I agree that a poll would be fair, but I’m firmly on team standard rows being a guy who uses 40% almost exclusively.
5 out of 6 boards I own don’t have the degree incline to make the R5 comfortable, even when hover typing.
Post by: Marvellion on Tue, 10 July 2018, 18:16:43
Post by: Poesjuh on Tue, 10 July 2018, 18:19:01
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Post by: bthezebra on Tue, 10 July 2018, 18:23:15
Ok it seems like row 5 and row 0 are niche thing. I will change all kits to standard rows as it used to be - rows 1,1,2,3,4,4. First of all it will make kits cheaper because it will reduce amount of keys. It will also make some kits obsolete like warning signs for row0.Row 5 and 0 bone kit are what are bringing me to Carbon this round, if you need vocal support you have mine.
The upgrade kit will be renamed to vintage kit and it will offer row 0 and row 5 keys in Carbon colors. Its obvous i cant support both Bone and Carbon colorways. I also need to look into by how much row 5 1.25u key might affect the pricing of such vintage kit. Probably that key will not be introduced.
Post by: pr0ximity on Tue, 10 July 2018, 19:14:03
Ok it seems like row 5 and row 0 are niche thing. I will change all kits to standard rows as it used to be - rows 1,1,2,3,4,4. First of all it will make kits cheaper because it will reduce amount of keys. It will also make some kits obsolete like warning signs for row0.Row 5 and 0 bone kit are what are bringing me to Carbon this round, if you need vocal support you have mine.
The upgrade kit will be renamed to vintage kit and it will offer row 0 and row 5 keys in Carbon colors. Its obvous i cant support both Bone and Carbon colorways. I also need to look into by how much row 5 1.25u key might affect the pricing of such vintage kit. Probably that key will not be introduced.
+1, I'm instantly in for any set with r0 and r5, was super excited to hear this set was going to run them, but when I come to express support they are gone :'(
Post by: rowie on Tue, 10 July 2018, 19:18:46
Ok it seems like row 5 and row 0 are niche thing. I will change all kits to standard rows as it used to be - rows 1,1,2,3,4,4. First of all it will make kits cheaper because it will reduce amount of keys. It will also make some kits obsolete like warning signs for row0.
The upgrade kit will be renamed to vintage kit and it will offer row 0 and row 5 keys in Carbon colors. Its obvous i cant support both Bone and Carbon colorways. I also need to look into by how much row 5 1.25u key might affect the pricing of such vintage kit. Probably that key will not be introduced.
Another +1 for the 0-5 row.
Post by: LightningXI on Tue, 10 July 2018, 19:25:11
Post by: dallman5 on Tue, 10 July 2018, 19:33:21
Post by: Hokabuki on Tue, 10 July 2018, 19:38:27
Post by: Wetherbee on Tue, 10 July 2018, 19:52:10
Personally, I prefer Tsangan layout so 1.25u isn't that interesting for the bottom row, but I understand most people use it these days.
Post by: OracleKev on Tue, 10 July 2018, 20:39:42
Ok it seems like row 5 and row 0 are niche thing. I will change all kits to standard rows as it used to be - rows 1,1,2,3,4,4. First of all it will make kits cheaper because it will reduce amount of keys. It will also make some kits obsolete like warning signs for row0.
The upgrade kit will be renamed to vintage kit and it will offer row 0 and row 5 keys in Carbon colors. Its obvous i cant support both Bone and Carbon colorways. I also need to look into by how much row 5 1.25u key might affect the pricing of such vintage kit. Probably that key will not be introduced.
Really would have liked broad R0 R5 seen through, but I think this is the right call. Profile change is high impact on typing experience and since it's going to be very costly, ROI is in doubt.
I do think that most vintage-ish enthusiasts will want something different than Round 1 (they probably already own multiple sets of Round 1), so maybe R5 makes sense as default for those vintage-ish keys? Then Vintage Kit can primarily consists of R0s and this crowd hopely can get broader (both Carbon and Bone) colorway support, etc.
Lastly, I could be wrong on this, but 1.25u R5 row probably won't feel right. I'd say same for R0, but I still want those since they will look fantastic.
Post by: xondat on Tue, 10 July 2018, 20:42:25
People that don't want it can just buy R1 or expansion.
It should be different from R1.
Post by: neon_tom on Tue, 10 July 2018, 20:46:50
Post by: forevermadrigal on Tue, 10 July 2018, 20:47:53
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Post by: T0mb3ry on Wed, 11 July 2018, 00:02:07
Anyway let me figure out the pricings for the kits first. Thats the most important factor imo (if i mute the enthusiast inside me). I hope the R0 and R5 will be viable.
Also i made a poll for Cherry profile choice. Please vote for the profile constalation you prefer: VOTE HERE (https://www.strawpoll.me/16058293)
Post by: a_ak57 on Wed, 11 July 2018, 00:25:38
Post by: Corrine4 on Wed, 11 July 2018, 00:29:23
Post by: romevi on Wed, 11 July 2018, 01:13:50
Post by: forevermadrigal on Wed, 11 July 2018, 01:31:21
Can you change the name to Cabrón?
+1
Post by: Wetherbee on Wed, 11 July 2018, 02:03:42
Can you change the name to Cabrón?
GMK Big Cabrónes
Post by: dsaf on Wed, 11 July 2018, 02:36:38
...i am in mad love with Cherry profile and i decided to focus in this round onto vintage Cherry profile.
After one/two random dudes (no offence) raise a slight complain:
Ok it seems like row 5 and row 0 are niche thing.
The whole hobby is niche and is generally based on rightful belief that vintage keebs were better.
Post by: t4n6 on Wed, 11 July 2018, 02:41:11
Post by: Endeavour1934 on Wed, 11 July 2018, 02:57:38
As I've said earlier, the best scenario is have either a r0-r5 set with a smaller r1-r4 kit (function keys, bottom row and maybe a couple of r4 and r1 novelties in the default color) or the opposite: a full r1-r4 set with a sculpted r0-r5 kit. I think most people would be ok with that....i am in mad love with Cherry profile and i decided to focus in this round onto vintage Cherry profile.
After one/two random dudes (no offence) raise a slight complain:Ok it seems like row 5 and row 0 are niche thing.
The whole hobby is niche and is generally based on rightful belief that vintage keebs were better.
In the first case (R0-R5 base set) even a R4 kit (without R1 function keys) should work.
Another option is doing the base set in one profile and bone modifiers in the other.
I think it's to early to disregard any possibility.
As to which set should be the primary, maybe a poll could help, but in the end it's T0mb3ry's decision.
Post by: thelaughingman on Wed, 11 July 2018, 07:25:08
Glad to see so much support for R0 and R5 rows. Really appreciate it. :D
Anyway let me figure out the pricings for the kits first. Thats the most important factor imo (if i mute the enthusiast inside me). I hope the R0 and R5 will be viable.
Also i made a poll for Cherry profile choice. Please vote for the profile constalation you prefer: VOTE HERE (https://www.strawpoll.me/16058293)
Voted for vintage :thumb: Carbon base kit can have 1-1-2-3-4-4 I don't care, I already had it from R1. I just want Bone and Ivory to have 0-1-2-3-4-5 and if somehow that's not the case, I'm out.
Post by: LightningXI on Wed, 11 July 2018, 08:07:22
Can you change the name to Cabrón?A huevo
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Post by: rioc on Wed, 11 July 2018, 08:16:37
Can you change the name to Cabrón?
oh wait, that's not what it's called already... I've been mispronouncing all this time.
I too vote for the change! ... or at least a Cabron kit :)
Post by: Vigrith on Wed, 11 July 2018, 09:03:35
That said, from a business point of view, I think it heavily depends on the price difference. If it's negligible then it's definitely worth it.
Post by: romevi on Wed, 11 July 2018, 09:23:33
Can you change the name to Cabrón?
oh wait, that's not what it's called already... I've been mispronouncing all this time.
I too vote for the change! ... or at least a Cabron kit :)
It's how I've been pronouncing it in my head fron the get-go!
Instead of v2 we can just use Cabrón!
Post by: rioc on Wed, 11 July 2018, 09:26:17
Can you change the name to Cabrón?
oh wait, that's not what it's called already... I've been mispronouncing all this time.
I too vote for the change! ... or at least a Cabron kit :)
It's how I've been pronouncing it in my head fron the get-go!
Instead of v2 we can just use Cabrón!
yeah, same... already did that with Need for Speed Cabrón
agreed, Cabrón Edition
also, my body is 40% Cabrón-Fibre material ;)
@t0mb3ry: at least Cabron on the backside of the banderole ;)
Post by: Oblotzky on Wed, 11 July 2018, 10:22:59
Post by: romevi on Wed, 11 July 2018, 10:44:51
Only the SA version should be renamed to Ése Cabrón
:raveparrot:
Post by: blah60 on Wed, 11 July 2018, 12:00:16
Post by: Chromatrope on Wed, 11 July 2018, 12:06:13
Moist! Can't wait. Wish we can have the Beezarre alpha's shift and enter key with the novelties though.
Those are caps and stepped caps
Post by: elfick on Wed, 11 July 2018, 12:36:24
You should absolutely keep R0/R5. I don't get the thumb striking argument because at best you should be hitting only the spacebar and alt keys with your thumb (and not even right alt really), and everything else should be done with your normal fingers in which case the angle won't be an issue. And tbqh it'd be good to force people to stop typing with broken wrists/poor form anyway (the reason probably 90% of people who flip their spacebars do so).I can explain...
On any keyboard with a small spacebar, it's more efficient to make better use of your thumbs by activating more keys than just the spacebar (which IMHO, is a huge waste of space). In particular, anything with layer keys are likely activated with the thumbs. On a Planck, something like half (6u) of the bottom row can be easily hit with the thumb.
Your inference that people that use their thumbs have poor form seems fairly ignorant to me. For instance, one common key combination I need to use is right-ctrl+del (sends ctrl-alt-del to a VM) and no, you can not use left-ctrl to do this. How do you propose I hit that combo without my thumb? Just because you can't imagine a use case doesn't mean others are doing it wrong or have "poor form".
Post by: elfick on Wed, 11 July 2018, 12:45:57
Offence taken. Why even put in "random" (or "one/two" or "dudes" for that matter) and then throw in "no offence"?...i am in mad love with Cherry profile and i decided to focus in this round onto vintage Cherry profile.
After one/two random dudes (no offence) raise a slight complain:Ok it seems like row 5 and row 0 are niche thing.
The whole hobby is niche and is generally based on rightful belief that vintage keebs were better.
Other than the designer, no one is any more or less random than anyone else.
IMHO, it's bad form to refer to peeps that have been around the community longer than you as "random dudes".
Also, the idea that "The whole hobby is niche and is generally based on rightful belief that vintage keebs were better." is completely and patently wrong.
If that was the case, we wouldn't have 40s or any styles other than vintage and we wouldn't have people experimenting and designing switches that don't emulate anything that used to be available.
Post by: Poesjuh on Wed, 11 July 2018, 13:12:26
In the end there are people that like the idea or R0-5 and want it to happen, for whatever reason they have, and people that again for various reasons prefer the regular R1-4.
T0mb3ry made a poll for it and I think it’s best to wait and see what the outcome of that is and what he can find out about prices. And from there make a decision.
No need to “hate” on each other, share the love
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Post by: T0mb3ry on Wed, 11 July 2018, 13:40:46
Just want to repost the poll. Given the current poll stand it seems like 2/3 are for vintage profile and 1/3 for modern. Anyway as i said i need to look at possible pricing for the vintage profile and then i will make a decision. The poll is also important. I will look into making a dedicated kit for the minority or (depending on pricing) for majority.
Uhm Cabron set or kit is not possible. Yanbo will not allow me hahaha.
Moist! Can't wait. Wish we can have the Beezarre alpha's shift and enter key with the novelties though.
Those are only caps lock sugar keys, which have the purpose to drag attention and thus help to meet MOQ. I dont want to introduce new novelties for now. Probably Carbon is the most Novelty richest set at the moment.
Tho those caps lock sugar keys are meant to give a slight novelty touch. I like to make novelties but i am not using those myself but probably i can imagine using a novelty caps lock on my board.
Beezarre with Carbon base
(https://i.imgur.com/pvcaFLY.png)
Boneyard with Bone base
(https://i.imgur.com/XtfIwYu.png)
Post by: Giorgio on Wed, 11 July 2018, 16:10:52
Post by: projectcain on Wed, 11 July 2018, 17:02:20
How many cabrons do you need to fake a poll? I mean... If in the world there are 500 people that own a R0-R5 set, well that would be surprising. Now reach 60 of those people, and convince them to vote for a set that they already own. Well, that's even more surprising.
Did everyone make sure to kick in votes on their phones, tablets and computers for good measure? :thumb:
Post by: blighty on Wed, 11 July 2018, 17:24:05
Post by: Hokabuki on Wed, 11 July 2018, 17:53:50
On the plus side, DCS spacebars have about the same angle/profile as R5, so no need for GMK to make new spacebar molds(if you don't mind mixing SP with GMK).It’s treason then.
Post by: cyyz on Thu, 12 July 2018, 01:50:10
Post by: OracleKev on Thu, 12 July 2018, 02:05:11
How many cabrons do you need to fake a poll? I mean... If in the world there are 500 people that own a R0-R5 set, well that would be surprising. Now reach 60 of those people, and convince them to vote for a set that they already own. Well, that's even more surprising.
Did everyone make sure to kick in votes on their phones, tablets and computers for good measure? :thumb:
What are you talking about? :p
I thought vintage folks only use terminals form factor (PC)?
Post by: a_ak57 on Thu, 12 July 2018, 04:49:44
You should absolutely keep R0/R5. I don't get the thumb striking argument because at best you should be hitting only the spacebar and alt keys with your thumb (and not even right alt really), and everything else should be done with your normal fingers in which case the angle won't be an issue. And tbqh it'd be good to force people to stop typing with broken wrists/poor form anyway (the reason probably 90% of people who flip their spacebars do so).I can explain...
On any keyboard with a small spacebar, it's more efficient to make better use of your thumbs by activating more keys than just the spacebar (which IMHO, is a huge waste of space). In particular, anything with layer keys are likely activated with the thumbs. On a Planck, something like half (6u) of the bottom row can be easily hit with the thumb.
Your inference that people that use their thumbs have poor form seems fairly ignorant to me. For instance, one common key combination I need to use is right-ctrl+del (sends ctrl-alt-del to a VM) and no, you can not use left-ctrl to do this. How do you propose I hit that combo without my thumb? Just because you can't imagine a use case doesn't mean others are doing it wrong or have "poor form".
You have a point about stuff like the planck with small spacebars where there are extra keys that in place of the 6.25u bar, but A) that's a niche since the vast majority of people use 60% or TKL boards and B) the ergoplanck kit has R4 anyway, making it moot. But as for your right-ctrl + del combo, if you're talking about doing that on a standard layout then I still don't see why you're forced to hit the back edge of the key rather than the top - or more importantly, how R4 would somehow alleviate that issue considering it's not a flat row either.
Post by: T0mb3ry on Thu, 12 July 2018, 11:46:32
(https://farm1.staticflickr.com/834/43317187002_b7e036edec_k.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/28ZMUxL)Royal Glam wristrest (1) (https://flic.kr/p/28ZMUxL) by T0mb3ry (https://www.flickr.com/photos/151659186@N03/), auf Flickr
Post by: Poesjuh on Thu, 12 July 2018, 12:19:18
Anyway, first pic is how you -should- type according to all the doctors and stuff. So keep your wrists elevated, don't let them rest. If you watch the angle of my thumb it's really not that bad to press a R5 key. I wouldn't call it worse than a R4 but your experience may vary.
(https://i.imgur.com/vTq4hL8.jpg)
Second pic is using a wrist rest. It's not as good, but still doable and personally I don't expect al of issues for people. However, I'm not sure I would like it on a 40% keyboard over a long period of time when I need to acces layers a lot.
(https://i.imgur.com/L5Vs0vB.jpg)
3rd pic is worst way to type, wrists laying on the table in a very uncomfortable angle.
(https://i.imgur.com/qlJtxnL.jpg)
And lastly, a side-by-side comparison. Black one is R4, white one is R5.
(https://i.imgur.com/sNmi2mg.jpg)
Post by: OracleKev on Thu, 12 July 2018, 12:31:17
Also, I find 1u R5 uncomfortable on WKL set up. Thank goodness I have Windows key mapped to somewhere else. This adds to my reservation on 1.25u R5.
Post by: elfick on Thu, 12 July 2018, 13:52:27
I agree planck is niche, but that isn't the only keyboard on which this would be an issue. There are an increasing number of split space keyboards and they would likely suffer from this as well.You should absolutely keep R0/R5. I don't get the thumb striking argument because at best you should be hitting only the spacebar and alt keys with your thumb (and not even right alt really), and everything else should be done with your normal fingers in which case the angle won't be an issue. And tbqh it'd be good to force people to stop typing with broken wrists/poor form anyway (the reason probably 90% of people who flip their spacebars do so).I can explain...
On any keyboard with a small spacebar, it's more efficient to make better use of your thumbs by activating more keys than just the spacebar (which IMHO, is a huge waste of space). In particular, anything with layer keys are likely activated with the thumbs. On a Planck, something like half (6u) of the bottom row can be easily hit with the thumb.
Your inference that people that use their thumbs have poor form seems fairly ignorant to me. For instance, one common key combination I need to use is right-ctrl+del (sends ctrl-alt-del to a VM) and no, you can not use left-ctrl to do this. How do you propose I hit that combo without my thumb? Just because you can't imagine a use case doesn't mean others are doing it wrong or have "poor form".
You have a point about stuff like the planck with small spacebars where there are extra keys that in place of the 6.25u bar, but A) that's a niche since the vast majority of people use 60% or TKL boards and B) the ergoplanck kit has R4 anyway, making it moot. But as for your right-ctrl + del combo, if you're talking about doing that on a standard layout then I still don't see why you're forced to hit the back edge of the key rather than the top - or more importantly, how R4 would somehow alleviate that issue considering it's not a flat row either.
With regard to the ergoplanck kit, that's just not a solution. I won't speak for anyone else, but I'd rather have incorrect legends than blank legends. Blanks mixed with non-blanks just results, IMHO, in a jarring and displeasing visual.
No, R4 isn't flat, but it is flatter than R5 so yes, it does alleviate the issue, it just doesn't eliminate it. Convex would be amazing, but I'm not going to hold my breath for 1.25u and 1.5u convex keys.
Post by: T0mb3ry on Thu, 12 July 2018, 14:03:13
Convex would be amazing, but I'm not going to hold my breath for 1.25u and 1.5u convex keys.
You dont need to hold your breath. 1.5u and 1.25u convex will definitely happen but not now. This round of Carbon introduces 2.75u and 2.25u convex keys because these are the most used in split keyboards. Next big GMK Drop (such as Lazer or Nautilus) might introduce other keys. And so on. GMK cant provide all keys at once. One new mold costs around 5k.
Post by: elfick on Thu, 12 July 2018, 14:04:23
To add to the discussion, as someone owning R5 caps, I thought I'd share some pictures. Please forgive me my nails, yes I bite them, we all have some bad habbits this is mine. Well that, and chocolate desserts :PSo, out of curiosity, why do you flip your spacebar? I'm guessing it's because you find it more comfortable. But you don't think there is a difference between thumb striking a R5 vs R4?
Anyway, first pic is how you -should- type according to all the doctors and stuff. So keep your wrists elevated, don't let them rest. If you watch the angle of my thumb it's really not that bad to press a R5 key. I wouldn't call it worse than a R4 but your experience may vary.Show Image(https://i.imgur.com/vTq4hL8.jpg)
Second pic is using a wrist rest. It's not as good, but still doable and personally I don't expect al of issues for people. However, I'm not sure I would like it on a 40% keyboard over a long period of time when I need to acces layers a lot.Show Image(https://i.imgur.com/L5Vs0vB.jpg)
3rd pic is worst way to type, wrists laying on the table in a very uncomfortable angle.Show Image(https://i.imgur.com/qlJtxnL.jpg)
And lastly, a side-by-side comparison. Black one is R4, white one is R5.Show Image(https://i.imgur.com/sNmi2mg.jpg)
Post by: elfick on Thu, 12 July 2018, 14:05:38
That's great news! :D :thumb:Convex would be amazing, but I'm not going to hold my breath for 1.25u and 1.5u convex keys.
You dont need to hold your breath. 1.5u and 1.25u convex will definitely happen but not now. This round of Carbon introduces 2.75u and 2.25u convex keys because these are the most used in split keyboards. Next big GMK Drop (such as Lazer or Nautilus) might introduce other keys. And so on. GMK cant provide all keys at once. One new mold costs around 5k.
Post by: Poesjuh on Fri, 13 July 2018, 02:07:55
It’s more comfortable, we all know it. In my opinion, on a 40% you should just flip all the bottom row keys you often use. Even if it means flipped legends :PTo add to the discussion, as someone owning R5 caps, I thought I'd share some pictures. Please forgive me my nails, yes I bite them, we all have some bad habbits this is mine. Well that, and chocolate desserts :PSo, out of curiosity, why do you flip your spacebar? I'm guessing it's because you find it more comfortable. But you don't think there is a difference between thumb striking a R5 vs R4?
Anyway, first pic is how you -should- type according to all the doctors and stuff. So keep your wrists elevated, don't let them rest. If you watch the angle of my thumb it's really not that bad to press a R5 key. I wouldn't call it worse than a R4 but your experience may vary.Show Image(https://i.imgur.com/vTq4hL8.jpg)
Second pic is using a wrist rest. It's not as good, but still doable and personally I don't expect al of issues for people. However, I'm not sure I would like it on a 40% keyboard over a long period of time when I need to acces layers a lot.Show Image(https://i.imgur.com/L5Vs0vB.jpg)
3rd pic is worst way to type, wrists laying on the table in a very uncomfortable angle.Show Image(https://i.imgur.com/qlJtxnL.jpg)
And lastly, a side-by-side comparison. Black one is R4, white one is R5.Show Image(https://i.imgur.com/sNmi2mg.jpg)
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Post by: Giorgio on Fri, 13 July 2018, 06:01:20
It’s more comfortable, we all know it. In my opinion, on a 40% you should just flip all the bottom row keys you often use. Even if it means flipped legends :PTo add to the discussion, as someone owning R5 caps, I thought I'd share some pictures. Please forgive me my nails, yes I bite them, we all have some bad habbits this is mine. Well that, and chocolate desserts :PSo, out of curiosity, why do you flip your spacebar? I'm guessing it's because you find it more comfortable. But you don't think there is a difference between thumb striking a R5 vs R4?
Anyway, first pic is how you -should- type according to all the doctors and stuff. So keep your wrists elevated, don't let them rest. If you watch the angle of my thumb it's really not that bad to press a R5 key. I wouldn't call it worse than a R4 but your experience may vary.Show Image(https://i.imgur.com/vTq4hL8.jpg)
Second pic is using a wrist rest. It's not as good, but still doable and personally I don't expect al of issues for people. However, I'm not sure I would like it on a 40% keyboard over a long period of time when I need to acces layers a lot.Show Image(https://i.imgur.com/L5Vs0vB.jpg)
3rd pic is worst way to type, wrists laying on the table in a very uncomfortable angle.Show Image(https://i.imgur.com/qlJtxnL.jpg)
And lastly, a side-by-side comparison. Black one is R4, white one is R5.Show Image(https://i.imgur.com/sNmi2mg.jpg)
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Just flip the keyboard.
Post by: fleeceman on Fri, 13 July 2018, 09:13:06
Post by: ideus on Fri, 13 July 2018, 09:22:12
Convex would be amazing, but I'm not going to hold my breath for 1.25u and 1.5u convex keys.
You dont need to hold your breath. 1.5u and 1.25u convex will definitely happen but not now. This round of Carbon introduces 2.75u and 2.25u convex keys because these are the most used in split keyboards. Next big GMK Drop (such as Lazer or Nautilus) might introduce other keys. And so on. GMK cant provide all keys at once. One new mold costs around 5k.
+1 kudos for introducing those two keys that support some common split space bar layouts!
Edit: Is there going to be an Icon Extension kit with orange legends? It may be matched with the R1 Icon kit.
Post by: Zambumon on Fri, 13 July 2018, 10:17:17
Just flip the keyboard.
(https://i.imgur.com/6874mGF.png)
Post by: T0mb3ry on Fri, 13 July 2018, 14:57:42
Is there going to be an Icon Extension kit with orange legends? It may be matched with the R1 Icon kit.
Icon mods will be only available for Bone base since its already using og icons. For Carbon base it would require almost all mods as icons.
Post by: Giorgio on Fri, 13 July 2018, 15:19:44
Just flip the keyboard.Show Image(https://i.imgur.com/6874mGF.png)
Indignation.
Post by: Zambumon on Fri, 13 July 2018, 16:38:09
Just flip the keyboard.Show Image(https://i.imgur.com/6874mGF.png)
Indignation.
I was going to take my keyboard and flip all the keycaps like the spacebar. and sen you a pic, but it was too much work.
Post by: Poesjuh on Fri, 13 July 2018, 17:42:03
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Post by: xondat on Fri, 13 July 2018, 17:43:28
DW I got your backShow Image(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20180713/e572af0bccefbf477dc9854be6511cf6.jpg)Show Image(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20180713/6b07baa24b6b9dda39f605d78dd5e1dc.jpg)
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RIP caps lock. It could've been great, but I'm left feeling lost.
Post by: Poesjuh on Fri, 13 July 2018, 17:45:38
Post by: evangs on Fri, 13 July 2018, 21:23:27
Update.
Introduction of 40% kit.
I want to appologize to minivan owners but i can not support this keyboard. I got my own reasons for it. I am really sorry. I wish i could give it support but its not possible.Show Image(https://i.imgur.com/x9SrtL4.png)
So far all other 40% layouts (only default layout) should be covered. This kit is an extension and should be combined with Carbon or Bone base kits. I think its also possible to use it in combination with GMK Carbon base set from round 1.
All the split spacebars and keys will be available in an spacebar kit.Aren’t these R0, R5 are the same height/slope as the corresponding rows in DCS profile? I’m not sure how I will feel about it, I like Cherry profile for been lower than DCS and I do not like the steep bottom row keys in DCS.
This is really good that you are planning to have a separate kit for ErgoDox/ortho.
I've never tried dcs profile properly and i cant say anything about it. However i've typed on bsp sets which have row5 bottom row and i would not say that the higher angle was an issue. But if you are interested in Ergoplanck kit then you have the choice between row 4 and 5 bottomrow. So it should not be an issue in this case.Bones kits are making me truly look at Carbon for the first time ever. Basically have two full kits between Bone Base, Boneyard Alphas, Ivory Mods, plus the new Bone Icon Extensions!
This is good to hear, because bone was made in order to give people who dont like orange color an option.
can you share your reasons for not supporting the minivan? I'd like to hear them
Post by: thelaughingman on Sat, 14 July 2018, 00:30:46
Post by: T0mb3ry on Sat, 14 July 2018, 00:41:10
can you share your reasons for not supporting the minivan? I'd like to hear themI will not support your products and you know exactly why. So i dont see the point to share it ;) This is also a wrong thread for drama or what ever.
Post by: livingspeedbump on Sat, 14 July 2018, 01:17:31
Post by: T0mb3ry on Sat, 14 July 2018, 01:22:21
looking good :thumb:
Thanks bro! I appreciate your support. :D
Post by: evangs on Sat, 14 July 2018, 09:04:01
can you share your reasons for not supporting the minivan? I'd like to hear themI will not support your products and you know exactly why. So i dont see the point to share it ;) This is also a wrong thread for drama or what ever.
I actually don’t know why. You’ve never actually supported them so I was just curious why you called it out now. Anyways good luck with the sale.
Post by: T0mb3ry on Sat, 14 July 2018, 09:24:05
Round 1 upgrade kit
- added missing numblock enters.
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Post by: Pwner on Sat, 14 July 2018, 09:33:26
Good stuff T0m! :thumb:
Post by: Remsky on Sat, 14 July 2018, 10:34:02
Not like it matters, a lot of 40's kits usually dont hit MOQ anyway, including anything outside of a generic 40's layout will just make it that much harder to hit MOQ.Update.
Introduction of 40% kit.
I want to appologize to minivan owners but i can not support this keyboard. I got my own reasons for it. I am really sorry. I wish i could give it support but its not possible.Show Image(https://i.imgur.com/x9SrtL4.png)
So far all other 40% layouts (only default layout) should be covered. This kit is an extension and should be combined with Carbon or Bone base kits. I think its also possible to use it in combination with GMK Carbon base set from round 1.
All the split spacebars and keys will be available in an spacebar kit.Aren’t these R0, R5 are the same height/slope as the corresponding rows in DCS profile? I’m not sure how I will feel about it, I like Cherry profile for been lower than DCS and I do not like the steep bottom row keys in DCS.
This is really good that you are planning to have a separate kit for ErgoDox/ortho.
I've never tried dcs profile properly and i cant say anything about it. However i've typed on bsp sets which have row5 bottom row and i would not say that the higher angle was an issue. But if you are interested in Ergoplanck kit then you have the choice between row 4 and 5 bottomrow. So it should not be an issue in this case.Bones kits are making me truly look at Carbon for the first time ever. Basically have two full kits between Bone Base, Boneyard Alphas, Ivory Mods, plus the new Bone Icon Extensions!
This is good to hear, because bone was made in order to give people who dont like orange color an option.
can you share your reasons for not supporting the minivan? I'd like to hear them
Post by: evangs on Sat, 14 July 2018, 13:28:26
Not like it matters, a lot of 40's kits usually dont hit MOQ anyway, including anything outside of a generic 40's layout will just make it that much harder to hit MOQ.Update.
Introduction of 40% kit.
I want to appologize to minivan owners but i can not support this keyboard. I got my own reasons for it. I am really sorry. I wish i could give it support but its not possible.Show Image(https://i.imgur.com/x9SrtL4.png)
So far all other 40% layouts (only default layout) should be covered. This kit is an extension and should be combined with Carbon or Bone base kits. I think its also possible to use it in combination with GMK Carbon base set from round 1.
All the split spacebars and keys will be available in an spacebar kit.Aren’t these R0, R5 are the same height/slope as the corresponding rows in DCS profile? I’m not sure how I will feel about it, I like Cherry profile for been lower than DCS and I do not like the steep bottom row keys in DCS.
This is really good that you are planning to have a separate kit for ErgoDox/ortho.
I've never tried dcs profile properly and i cant say anything about it. However i've typed on bsp sets which have row5 bottom row and i would not say that the higher angle was an issue. But if you are interested in Ergoplanck kit then you have the choice between row 4 and 5 bottomrow. So it should not be an issue in this case.Bones kits are making me truly look at Carbon for the first time ever. Basically have two full kits between Bone Base, Boneyard Alphas, Ivory Mods, plus the new Bone Icon Extensions!
This is good to hear, because bone was made in order to give people who dont like orange color an option.
can you share your reasons for not supporting the minivan? I'd like to hear them
you're right, it doesn't matter :D
Post by: T0mb3ry on Sat, 14 July 2018, 14:54:07
40% kit has been replaced by the Xtra 4.0 kit (sry for the name but i could not find any other matching name and i might rename it later)
(https://i.imgur.com/8BaPlR2.png)
Some info on this kit:
The bad: you know i cant support Carbon and Bone colorways fully. Thus this kit supports only Carbon colorway.
The good:
- it does have full row 4 bottom row which is more comfortable for low angle keybaords and its fully compatible with the carbon base set. So basically i merged the 40% kit with the Extra kit i was talking about previously. Ofcourse i cant provide row 4 bottom row for bones.
- for 40% layouts you will still need one of the base kit for beige alphas OR you can choose one of the extension alphas (beezarre or boneyard) and skipp the base set.
Post by: Talljoe on Sat, 14 July 2018, 15:15:42
Just flip the keyboard.
There was a time (pre-DIY) when I was experimenting with an upside-down keyboard and AHK to get massive numbers of thumb keys
Post by: Giorgio on Sat, 14 July 2018, 15:51:12
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Post by: Endeavour1934 on Sat, 14 July 2018, 16:00:16
Update.Thanks for supporting R4 bottom row! Just one thing ... is it possible to add in the novelties kit a couple of 1.25u Carbon Hexagon novelties for R4 bottom row?
40% kit has been replaced by the Xtra 4.0 kit (sry for the name but i could not find any other matching name and i might rename it later)Show Image(https://i.imgur.com/8BaPlR2.png)
Some info on this kit:
The bad: you know i cant support Carbon and Bone colorways fully. Thus this kit supports only Carbon colorway.
The good:
- it does have full row 4 bottom row which is more comfortable for low angle keybaords and its fully compatible with the carbon base set. So basically i merged the 40% kit with the Extra kit i was talking about previously. Ofcourse i cant provide row 4 bottom row for bones.
- for 40% layouts you will still need one of the base kit for beige alphas OR you can choose one of the extension alphas (beezarre or boneyard) and skipp the base set.
Post by: T0mb3ry on Sat, 14 July 2018, 16:15:39
Thanks for supporting R4 bottom row! Just one thing ... is it possible to add in the novelties kit a couple of 1.25u Carbon Hexagon novelties for R4 bottom row?
Cant say really now. Carbon novelties do belong into Novelties kit. Round 1 owners might want to get on these too. Probably i have to design an exclusive novelty (sugar key) for this kit. So i need to think about that.
Post by: ideus on Sat, 14 July 2018, 16:57:40
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Post by: Poesjuh on Sat, 14 July 2018, 17:58:51
10 min work flipping them around and back again. You don’t have to be retired for that, just a bit bored :PDW I got your backShow Image(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20180713/e572af0bccefbf477dc9854be6511cf6.jpg)Show Image(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20180713/6b07baa24b6b9dda39f605d78dd5e1dc.jpg)
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Post by: ideus on Sat, 14 July 2018, 19:10:20
10 min work flipping them around and back again. You don’t have to be retired for that, just a bit bored :pDW I got your backShow Image(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20180713/e572af0bccefbf477dc9854be6511cf6.jpg)Show Image(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20180713/6b07baa24b6b9dda39f605d78dd5e1dc.jpg)
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Post by: ojrask on Sun, 15 July 2018, 16:26:58
Post by: elfick on Sun, 15 July 2018, 22:36:48
I second the request for R4 novelties. Thanks for getting R4 bottom row support in there!Update.Thanks for supporting R4 bottom row! Just one thing ... is it possible to add in the novelties kit a couple of 1.25u Carbon Hexagon novelties for R4 bottom row?
40% kit has been replaced by the Xtra 4.0 kit (sry for the name but i could not find any other matching name and i might rename it later)Show Image(https://i.imgur.com/8BaPlR2.png)
Some info on this kit:
The bad: you know i cant support Carbon and Bone colorways fully. Thus this kit supports only Carbon colorway.
The good:
- it does have full row 4 bottom row which is more comfortable for low angle keybaords and its fully compatible with the carbon base set. So basically i merged the 40% kit with the Extra kit i was talking about previously. Ofcourse i cant provide row 4 bottom row for bones.
- for 40% layouts you will still need one of the base kit for beige alphas OR you can choose one of the extension alphas (beezarre or boneyard) and skipp the base set.
Post by: pentawater on Tue, 17 July 2018, 08:29:03
Post by: Oblotzky on Tue, 17 July 2018, 08:34:24
Any chance the boneyard enter is moved into novelties or something? I really want that enter, but I don't want to get a full alpha set for it
That key is 1.75 for the Capslock position, it's a sugar key same as the ones for Beezarre and will only be part of that alphas kit.
Post by: T0mb3ry on Tue, 17 July 2018, 14:41:13
Beezarre and Boneyard alphas:
- changed sugar key positions in mockup in order to make clear that those are caps lock keys.
(https://i.imgur.com/4kimQIP.png)
(https://i.imgur.com/NckVxEE.png)
Novelties:
- added row 4 novelties for round 1 owners and for low angle boards (the purpose of the Xtra 4.0 kit)
(https://i.imgur.com/yPo0Ieu.png)
Xtra 4.0 kit:
- added sugar keys in form of concave (!convex keys cant have legends because they are not double shot!) keys with graphene. They are supposed to be used as split spacebar for Carbon colorway. Some might use these also as shift replacement but i am personaly not a fan of this. Those sugar keys are subject to change.
(https://i.imgur.com/hiVcnqk.png)
Post by: nugglets on Tue, 17 July 2018, 18:59:24
Either way, looking forward to it. Still one of my favorite keysets and full r0-r5 is something I've been itching to try.
Post by: dvorcol on Tue, 17 July 2018, 19:03:45
It's been awhile since I used MD, so remind me please: The "child kits" require the purchase of a base kit also, right? So as a R1 owner, the only way to get the "upgrade" kit would be to buy another base kit or piggy back on someone's order?
Either way, looking forward to it. Still one of my favorite keysets and full r0-r5 is something I've been itching to try.
No, you can order just a child kit. You just say "No thanks" to the parent kit, like this:
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Post by: elfick on Tue, 17 July 2018, 19:17:33
Novelties::thumb:
- added row 4 novelties for round 1 owners and for low angle boards (the purpose of the Xtra 4.0 kit)
Thank you!
Post by: bciamny on Tue, 17 July 2018, 23:33:15
Post by: mtuanvu on Wed, 18 July 2018, 03:18:52
Post by: fleeceman on Wed, 18 July 2018, 05:45:40
Post by: Chromatrope on Wed, 18 July 2018, 06:35:36
Do Massdrop not allow EU vendors for GBs? Would love this set but don't want to be hit by customs charges
For a long time I thought it impossible but recently DSA Ice Cream ran simultaneously at Massdrop and Candykeys (and it was significantly cheaper at Candykeys lmao, fat margin on that one on Massdrop)
Post by: iNViSiBiLiTi on Wed, 18 July 2018, 15:56:14
Post by: kehlad on Wed, 18 July 2018, 21:42:31
Post by: nugglets on Wed, 18 July 2018, 23:54:06
It's been awhile since I used MD, so remind me please: The "child kits" require the purchase of a base kit also, right? So as a R1 owner, the only way to get the "upgrade" kit would be to buy another base kit or piggy back on someone's order?
Either way, looking forward to it. Still one of my favorite keysets and full r0-r5 is something I've been itching to try.
No, you can order just a child kit. You just say "No thanks" to the parent kit, like this:Show Image(https://i.imgur.com/0HfnUPs.png)
Oh sweet, thanks. Must be a new(er) feature, and a very welcome one.
Post by: Shihatsu on Thu, 19 July 2018, 05:02:51
Post by: schoolbus on Thu, 19 July 2018, 06:52:06
Sorry for pressing one crucial point: EU without Massdrop or at least proxy? Massdrop itself is allready almost a no go for me, but producing in germnay, sending to US, and then back to germany makes it totally unjoinable for me, sorry...
This is how it has been since Day One and the funny thing is AFAIK besides like one person every celebrity keycap designer for Massdrop is not located in the US lol
Post by: Shihatsu on Thu, 19 July 2018, 07:26:04
Post by: Poesjuh on Thu, 19 July 2018, 07:37:35
Maybe, just maybe, with MD buying GH, there is light at the end of the tunnel for us Europeans buying GMK sets.
Post by: Vigrith on Thu, 19 July 2018, 08:05:42
Well, it's what it is. I've seen zero signal that it might change in the future unfortunately. Plus 21% let's go :( :( Still makes no sense tho, but nothing we can do about it.
Maybe, just maybe, with MD buying GH, there is light at the end of the tunnel for us Europeans buying GMK sets.
I'm all for EU warehouses and logistic improvements in general but that'll mostly be a quality of life improvement rather than a big monetary change. You're not paying 21% VAT because you're getting your GMK sets from the US, you're paying 21% VAT because you reside in the EU. The pricing MD displays does not include VAT because most their customers are located in the US.
At most you'd be saving like $5-10 in shipping and then depending on your country and how customs work there you'd potentially save in handling/storage and import fees in general. Overall it's pretty negligible, the real difference would be in that you don't need to go through the trouble of handling the whole customs process (which is horrible here in Portugal, at least) and you'd get your stuff way faster.
Post by: Shihatsu on Thu, 19 July 2018, 08:33:55
Post by: rioc on Thu, 19 July 2018, 08:37:10
"We always have iot done this way" ist not even an argument. I am not talking designer, I am talking manufacturer. GMK could be quite cheap for us EU members. Instead it is quite expensive. If it is a SP set - no complaint. But if it is GMK I beg to differ.
as vigrith said too, if you bought them directly from GMK from within the EU somewhere, it'd be 20% more expensive... where I live (thankfully not EU, but still pay for EU shipping prices), we have 9% VAT to products. So stuff I order from Germany end up 20% cheaper when I pay for them, and then have 9% added by our customs.
but MD has been looking into starting a EU warehouse for some time now, so we might profit from cheaper shipping soon with some luck
Post by: Vigrith on Thu, 19 July 2018, 09:35:51
That is just half of the truth. First of all, I wouldn't have to pay 21, I would have to pay 19%. And this would be WITHOUT shipment costs - half of the shipment costs are included in the VAT calculation, because it is within the MD revenue calc. We would have WAY lower shipment costs over here in Europe. I have participated in a stictly german GB for a GMK Dolch Set, and this was 117€ including DHL. It really would be cheaper without dobling the shipemtn and logistics costs.
It's not half the truth, it was a simplistic explanation. Half the truth would imply ill intent which is obviously not the case.
Of course you'll save pennies elsewhere as you stated since shipping is factored into VAT calculations, there are discrepancies in VAT values (19% in Germany as opposed to 23% here in Portugal) which can be quite relevant, etc.
How long ago was that Dolch set ran? 2 years? The prices have shifted heavily as I'm sure you're aware, GMK TA 90 is 140€ being ran by Mykeyboard right now + 16€ shipping (which, funnily enough, is more than the $13 I pay for MD shipping GMK trays back and forth over to me). Of course comparing theoretical Massdrop prices to those of their "competitors" doesn't do anyone any good either way but yea. Point is the difference in price wouldn't be that big nowadays, obviously saving where possible is always good but the biggest improvement is just quality of life as said.
Post by: Jaceun on Thu, 19 July 2018, 11:08:10
I would love to see the numpad ∅ from the 'rolling bones' kit make it into the normal set if it is at all possible. I like that it is different, and makes the numpad more interesting. I bought that kit just for that key if I am honest during SA Carbon R2. I would totally understand if it is cost prohibitive or just too many keys already, but maybe you can consider it :)
Post by: T0mb3ry on Thu, 19 July 2018, 15:09:14
I would love to see the numpad ∅ from the 'rolling bones' kit make it into the normal set if it is at all possible. I like that it is different, and makes the numpad more interesting. I bought that kit just for that key if I am honest during SA Carbon R2. I would totally understand if it is cost prohibitive or just too many keys already, but maybe you can consider it :)
Moving that specific key is not possible. Its a non standard key and it does not belong into base kit. Sorry.
Post by: quazikun on Thu, 19 July 2018, 18:15:40
Post by: mathiasn on Fri, 20 July 2018, 03:05:15
- Added new extension "Bone Icon Extension kit". Afaik all the icons do already exist and i am using my source of information which i cant publish.Show Image(https://i.imgur.com/CqAXGLh.png)
will there be an "Icon Extension Kit" (gray / orange) as well?
(Most probably) in for R1 update and "Icon ExKit".
Post by: MikeTheTiger on Fri, 20 July 2018, 03:58:17
can you share your reasons for not supporting the minivan? I'd like to hear themI will not support your products and you know exactly why. So i dont see the point to share it ;) This is also a wrong thread for drama or what ever.
Wow...Carbon is probably my most favorite keyset of all time. But reading through the most recent posts about the lack of Minivan support is kind of concerning. Is the intention to hurt TheVanKeyboards or fans of your work? Because honestly, it only hurts those of us who are willing to spend quite a bit of money on your keysets to outfit our keyboards. Alienating part of the community because of some kind of grudge against Evan, doesn’t directly impact him...it makes those of us with Minivans suffer. I hope you reconsider your decision to leave out compatibility for the Minivan. This will be the 3rd time I’ve joined the drop for an incarnation of Carbon and I hope that I speak for a lot of us when I say that we would simply like to see our boards supported. It’s just a few keys and the least you can do to show love for this part of the community. :thumb:
Post by: thelaughingman on Fri, 20 July 2018, 04:50:48
- Added new extension "Bone Icon Extension kit". Afaik all the icons do already exist and i am using my source of information which i cant publish.Show Image(https://i.imgur.com/CqAXGLh.png)
will there be an "Icon Extension Kit" (gray / orange) as well?
(Most probably) in for R1 update and "Icon ExKit".
T0mb3ry already mentioned in this thread that full Icon is only meant for Bone base kit, not Orange base, not Ivory mods.
Post by: otanishock on Fri, 20 July 2018, 06:18:25
can you share your reasons for not supporting the minivan? I'd like to hear themI will not support your products and you know exactly why. So i dont see the point to share it ;) This is also a wrong thread for drama or what ever.
Wow...Carbon is probably my most favorite keyset of all time. But reading through the most recent posts about the lack of Minivan support is kind of concerning. Is the intention to hurt TheVanKeyboards or fans of your work? Because honestly, it only hurts those of us who are willing to spend quite a bit of money on your keysets to outfit our keyboards. Alienating part of the community because of some kind of grudge against Evan, doesn’t directly impact him...it makes those of us with Minivans suffer. I hope you reconsider your decision to leave out compatibility for the Minivan. This will be the 3rd time I’ve joined the drop for an incarnation of Carbon and I hope that I speak for a lot of us when I say that we would simply like to see our boards supported. It’s just a few keys and the least you can do to show love for this part of the community. :thumb:
Its his decision. Period. He already mentioned he did not want to talk about it nor did he see a reason to keep bringing it up. If you cannot not find a kit that supports your keyboard and the designer is against it, just shrug it off and move on. Same thing with GMK Serika. That's just the hard cold truth about this community. He cannot just please everyone and someone will eventually be left out.
Post by: otanishock on Fri, 20 July 2018, 06:19:20
can you share your reasons for not supporting the minivan? I'd like to hear themI will not support your products and you know exactly why. So i dont see the point to share it ;) This is also a wrong thread for drama or what ever.
Wow...Carbon is probably my most favorite keyset of all time. But reading through the most recent posts about the lack of Minivan support is kind of concerning. Is the intention to hurt TheVanKeyboards or fans of your work? Because honestly, it only hurts those of us who are willing to spend quite a bit of money on your keysets to outfit our keyboards. Alienating part of the community because of some kind of grudge against Evan, doesn’t directly impact him...it makes those of us with Minivans suffer. I hope you reconsider your decision to leave out compatibility for the Minivan. This will be the 3rd time I’ve joined the drop for an incarnation of Carbon and I hope that I speak for a lot of us when I say that we would simply like to see our boards supported. It’s just a few keys and the least you can do to show love for this part of the community. :thumb:
Its his decision. Period. He already mentioned he did not want to talk about it nor did he see a reason to keep bringing it up. If you cannot not find a kit that supports your keyboard and the designer is against it, just shrug it off and move on. I don't know what is going on between them but also I don't see why we need to keep digging up this drama. That's just the hard cold truth about this community. The designer cannot just please everyone and someone will eventually be left out. Same thing with Zambumon and GMK Serika.
Post by: otanishock on Fri, 20 July 2018, 06:22:06
can you share your reasons for not supporting the minivan? I'd like to hear themI will not support your products and you know exactly why. So i dont see the point to share it ;) This is also a wrong thread for drama or what ever.
Wow...Carbon is probably my most favorite keyset of all time. But reading through the most recent posts about the lack of Minivan support is kind of concerning. Is the intention to hurt TheVanKeyboards or fans of your work? Because honestly, it only hurts those of us who are willing to spend quite a bit of money on your keysets to outfit our keyboards. Alienating part of the community because of some kind of grudge against Evan, doesn’t directly impact him...it makes those of us with Minivans suffer. I hope you reconsider your decision to leave out compatibility for the Minivan. This will be the 3rd time I’ve joined the drop for an incarnation of Carbon and I hope that I speak for a lot of us when I say that we would simply like to see our boards supported. It’s just a few keys and the least you can do to show love for this part of the community. :thumb:
Its his decision. Period. He already mentioned he did not want to talk about it nor did he see a reason to keep bringing it up. If you cannot not find a kit that supports your keyboard and the designer is against it, just shrug it off and move on. I don't know what is going on between them but also I don't see why we need to keep digging up this drama. That's just the hard cold truth about this community. The designer cannot just please everyone and someone will eventually be left out. Same thing with Zambumon and GMK Serika.
Post by: MikeTheTiger on Fri, 20 July 2018, 09:12:36
can you share your reasons for not supporting the minivan? I'd like to hear themI will not support your products and you know exactly why. So i dont see the point to share it ;) This is also a wrong thread for drama or what ever.
Wow...Carbon is probably my most favorite keyset of all time. But reading through the most recent posts about the lack of Minivan support is kind of concerning. Is the intention to hurt TheVanKeyboards or fans of your work? Because honestly, it only hurts those of us who are willing to spend quite a bit of money on your keysets to outfit our keyboards. Alienating part of the community because of some kind of grudge against Evan, doesn’t directly impact him...it makes those of us with Minivans suffer. I hope you reconsider your decision to leave out compatibility for the Minivan. This will be the 3rd time I’ve joined the drop for an incarnation of Carbon and I hope that I speak for a lot of us when I say that we would simply like to see our boards supported. It’s just a few keys and the least you can do to show love for this part of the community. :thumb:
Its his decision. Period. He already mentioned he did not want to talk about it nor did he see a reason to keep bringing it up. If you cannot not find a kit that supports your keyboard and the designer is against it, just shrug it off and move on. Same thing with GMK Serika. That's just the hard cold truth about this community. He cannot just please everyone and someone will eventually be left out.
You blind sheep. Can you not read between the lines? There’s obviously some vindictive purpose to leave out support for a popular 40% board.
Post by: otanishock on Fri, 20 July 2018, 09:46:10
can you share your reasons for not supporting the minivan? I'd like to hear themI will not support your products and you know exactly why. So i dont see the point to share it ;) This is also a wrong thread for drama or what ever.
Wow...Carbon is probably my most favorite keyset of all time. But reading through the most recent posts about the lack of Minivan support is kind of concerning. Is the intention to hurt TheVanKeyboards or fans of your work? Because honestly, it only hurts those of us who are willing to spend quite a bit of money on your keysets to outfit our keyboards. Alienating part of the community because of some kind of grudge against Evan, doesn’t directly impact him...it makes those of us with Minivans suffer. I hope you reconsider your decision to leave out compatibility for the Minivan. This will be the 3rd time I’ve joined the drop for an incarnation of Carbon and I hope that I speak for a lot of us when I say that we would simply like to see our boards supported. It’s just a few keys and the least you can do to show love for this part of the community. :thumb:
Its his decision. Period. He already mentioned he did not want to talk about it nor did he see a reason to keep bringing it up. If you cannot not find a kit that supports your keyboard and the designer is against it, just shrug it off and move on. Same thing with GMK Serika. That's just the hard cold truth about this community. He cannot just please everyone and someone will eventually be left out.
You blind sheep. Can you not read between the lines? There’s obviously some vindictive purpose to leave out support for a popular 40% board.
The designer already said he had his reasons for not supporting your keyboard and we should respect that. Being stubborn and keep bugging him for reconsideration is just ignorant. Evan already demanded an explanation, did not get one and eventually moved on. If possible, I'd suggest you to do the same.
Post by: bottleRocket on Fri, 20 July 2018, 09:59:21
Post by: T0mb3ry on Fri, 20 July 2018, 10:16:23
- Added NORDEUK kit. Looking back at very succesfull GMK drops like Nautilus or Laser, everytime ISO kits made it barely. Thus i can only support beige alphas.
(https://i.imgur.com/f8mEZ11.png)
Regarding Minivan support. I was pretty clear previously and nothing will change my mind. If somebody does not agree with my decision then i am sorry.
Otheriwse please be polite to each other ;)
Post by: schoolbus on Fri, 20 July 2018, 10:37:53
You blind sheep. Can you not read between the lines? There’s obviously some vindictive purpose to leave out support for a popular 40% board.
I think you'll survive.
Or perhaps you'd consider the 5+ other keyboard layouts that this set supports rather than continuing to stir the pot.
Post by: Vigrith on Fri, 20 July 2018, 10:50:18
I think users are entitled to know why several designers are deciding to ignore a specific community user-base, especially when tombr3y brought it up first, whether it's addressed in this thread or a different one, it should still be addressed.
You're absolutely not entitled to knowing why they choose to not include x or y key in their set(s). I'm not saying transparency is a bad thing, I'm just saying they can do what they like with their set without having to justify every choice in key to potential buyers or community members in general.
Post by: bottleRocket on Fri, 20 July 2018, 10:58:57
I think users are entitled to know why several designers are deciding to ignore a specific community user-base, especially when tombr3y brought it up first, whether it's addressed in this thread or a different one, it should still be addressed.
You're absolutely not entitled to knowing why they choose to not include x or y key in their set(s). I'm not saying transparency is a bad thing, I'm just saying they can do what they like with their set without having to justify every choice in key to potential buyers or community members in general.
lol, leaving out a key is not the same as boycotting/blacklisting a user-base and/or product. not trying to cause drama, just looking for some type of explanation as this seems to be a coordinated effort spanning several [IC]s. I'm not going to comment further in this thread as I agree, this isn't the place for it.
Post by: T0mb3ry on Fri, 20 July 2018, 11:08:59
-Added DC kit. Like ISO kit Dvorak and Colemak kits suffered always to reach MOQ. In this regard i can offer such kit only for Beige alphas.
(https://i.imgur.com/V1FYAFh.png)
Post by: Vigrith on Fri, 20 July 2018, 11:16:41
lol, leaving out a key is not the same as boycotting/blacklisting a user-base and/or product. not trying to cause drama, just looking for some type of explanation as this seems to be a coordinated effort spanning several [IC]s. I'm not going to comment further in this thread as I agree, this isn't the place for it.
There's no further comment to be made, your argument is not over lack of support but rather over the intent which others, potentially yourself, deem to be ill intended or vindictive. Effectively skipping Minivan support boils down to not including a singular backspace key in the correct size (I think? I don't use 40). Practically speaking, blacklisting a product out of principle is the same thing as not including NORDE support because it doesn't sell. It's a choice made by the designer regardless of why.
PS: I'm not taking sides, I'm just looking at the situation practical and objectively.
Post by: thelaughingman on Fri, 20 July 2018, 11:18:19
PS: I'm not taking sides, I'm just looking at the situation practical and objectively.
You never take sides mate, boring :p :p :p
Post by: MikeTheTiger on Fri, 20 July 2018, 12:17:00
I think users are entitled to know why several designers are deciding to ignore a specific community user-base, especially when tombr3y brought it up first, whether it's addressed in this thread or a different one, it should still be addressed.
You're absolutely not entitled to knowing why they choose to not include x or y key in their set(s). I'm not saying transparency is a bad thing, I'm just saying they can do what they like with their set without having to justify every choice in key to potential buyers or community members in general.
lol, leaving out a key is not the same as boycotting/blacklisting a user-base and/or product. not trying to cause drama, just looking for some type of explanation as this seems to be a coordinated effort spanning several [IC]s. I'm not going to comment further in this thread as I agree, this isn't the place for it.
You guys are missing the point. There obviously is a concerted effort, by several keyset designers, to essentially blacklist Evan and his contributions to the community. It's not about one key...it's about the lack of the feeling of "community" in this hobby. And the comment about "moving on" is ignorant in and of itself. I love Carbon. I still plan on joining this drop. I'm just noticing that mech keys just isn't what it was several years ago. I'm not trying to pick a fight or cause drama, but some people need to grow up.
Post by: bottleRocket on Fri, 20 July 2018, 13:03:13
Quote
Practically speaking, blacklisting a product out of principle is the same thing as not including NORDE support because it doesn't sell.
In fact, it is COMPLETELY different. The latter decision in your scenario is really a time investment vs return decision based on lack of investment funds and not satisfying enough sales to reach MOQ, which is a very understandable, reasonable, logic-based decision. The former decision doesn't appear to be rooted in any information/scenario/buyer-interest related to actual group-buy fulfillment. This is an interest check. People who own MiniVans have interest in this set. Their interest should be denied based on fulfillment difficulties and NOT on a coordinated effort to blacklist a fellow creator in this community of which the people requesting group-buy support have anything to do with.
Sorry, couldn't not respond to this.
Post by: otanishock on Fri, 20 July 2018, 13:24:57
I think users are entitled to know why several designers are deciding to ignore a specific community user-base, especially when tombr3y brought it up first, whether it's addressed in this thread or a different one, it should still be addressed.
You're absolutely not entitled to knowing why they choose to not include x or y key in their set(s). I'm not saying transparency is a bad thing, I'm just saying they can do what they like with their set without having to justify every choice in key to potential buyers or community members in general.
lol, leaving out a key is not the same as boycotting/blacklisting a user-base and/or product. not trying to cause drama, just looking for some type of explanation as this seems to be a coordinated effort spanning several [IC]s. I'm not going to comment further in this thread as I agree, this isn't the place for it.
You guys are missing the point. There obviously is a concerted effort, by several keyset designers, to essentially blacklist Evan and his contributions to the community. It's not about one key...it's about the lack of the feeling of "community" in this hobby. And the comment about "moving on" is ignorant in and of itself. I love Carbon. I still plan on joining this drop. I'm just noticing that mech keys just isn't what it was several years ago. I'm not trying to pick a fight or cause drama, but some people need to grow up.
His keyset, his decision, he and his crews can do whatever they want as they please and you should respect that and stop questioning. Seriously! You either have 2 options: you keep your minivan and walk out the door, or you get a different board and join the GB. Neither option should include crying over boycotting or making claims about being vindictive tada tada. Dude just move on.
Post by: oldcat on Fri, 20 July 2018, 13:33:25
Post by: T0mb3ry on Fri, 20 July 2018, 13:37:22
Assume this will be dropped on Massdrop? Thank you
Exactly. Probably in Q4 2018.
Post by: dsaf on Fri, 20 July 2018, 15:38:28
...Looking back at very succesfull GMK drops like Nautilus or Laser, everytime ISO kits made it barely...
The struggle is real! These days it's a choice between joining now or possibly never. Hopefully future Carbon SA/GMK rounds will be as good or better than the latest ones.
Post by: MikeTheTiger on Fri, 20 July 2018, 15:41:30
QuotePractically speaking, blacklisting a product out of principle is the same thing as not including NORDE support because it doesn't sell.
In fact, it is COMPLETELY different. The latter decision in your scenario is really a time investment vs return decision based on lack of investment funds and not satisfying enough sales to reach MOQ, which is a very understandable, reasonable, logic-based decision. The former decision doesn't appear to be rooted in any information/scenario/buyer-interest related to actual group-buy fulfillment. This is an interest check. People who own MiniVans have interest in this set. Their interest should be denied based on fulfillment difficulties and NOT on a coordinated effort to blacklist a fellow creator in this community of which the people requesting group-buy support have anything to do with.
Sorry, couldn't not respond to this.
Yet, this is actually what seems to be happening.
I think users are entitled to know why several designers are deciding to ignore a specific community user-base, especially when tombr3y brought it up first, whether it's addressed in this thread or a different one, it should still be addressed.
You're absolutely not entitled to knowing why they choose to not include x or y key in their set(s). I'm not saying transparency is a bad thing, I'm just saying they can do what they like with their set without having to justify every choice in key to potential buyers or community members in general.
lol, leaving out a key is not the same as boycotting/blacklisting a user-base and/or product. not trying to cause drama, just looking for some type of explanation as this seems to be a coordinated effort spanning several [IC]s. I'm not going to comment further in this thread as I agree, this isn't the place for it.
You guys are missing the point. There obviously is a concerted effort, by several keyset designers, to essentially blacklist Evan and his contributions to the community. It's not about one key...it's about the lack of the feeling of "community" in this hobby. And the comment about "moving on" is ignorant in and of itself. I love Carbon. I still plan on joining this drop. I'm just noticing that mech keys just isn't what it was several years ago. I'm not trying to pick a fight or cause drama, but some people need to grow up.
His keyset, his decision, he and his crews can do whatever they want as they please and you should respect that and stop questioning. Seriously! You either have 2 options: you keep your minivan and walk out the door, or you get a different board and join the GB. Neither option should include crying over boycotting or making claims about being vindictive tada tada. Dude just move on.
Nowhere did I say I was boycotting this GB. And I have many keyboards besides my Minivan. I'm in this buy no matter what the kits turn out like...because well...it's Carbon. You obviously can't read between the lines about the bigger picture of what is happening in this community. Instead you keep responding like you're T0mb3ry's boyfriend or something. If he doesn't want to disclose his reasons, no problem. T0mb3ry, just like other creators in the community, need and deserve our support. And that's what I intend to provide. BTW, my bill for SA Carbon R2 ran close to $400 when all was said and done. So, it's not like I'm trying to pick a fight. I'm just passionate about all things mechanical keyboards.
Post by: ideus on Fri, 20 July 2018, 16:01:04
"2) Threadcrapping: If you aren't interested in joining a group buy, STAY OUT OF THE GROUP BUY THREAD. This goes doubly so if you disagree with the way the buy is being run, the product being purchased, or have any other complaint not relevant to buying into the group buy. Repeat offenders put themselves in danger of moderator action."
In an IC, posting once with a suggestion or question is welcome, repeating on the issue is not. The IC is by definition a request on your interest for something as proposed, first. Second, asking your opinion. But, it is not an invitation for disputes.
Bottom line, keep on topic, stop complaining, end the dispute.
Post by: MikeTheTiger on Fri, 20 July 2018, 16:06:42
Thread-Crapping as defined in the GH's group-buy rules and that applies by extension to IC's.
"2) Threadcrapping: If you aren't interested in joining a group buy, STAY OUT OF THE GROUP BUY THREAD. This goes doubly so if you disagree with the way the buy is being run, the product being purchased, or have any other complaint not relevant to buying into the group buy. Repeat offenders put themselves in danger of moderator action."
In an IC, posting once with a suggestion or question is welcome, repeating on the issue is not. The IC is by definition a request on your interest for something as proposed, first. Second, asking your opinion. But, it is not an invitation for disputes.
Bottom line, keep on topic, stop complaining, end the dispute.
No problem.
Post by: bobdenard on Fri, 20 July 2018, 16:30:27
If I can make a suggestion: I see you’re doing a Norde/UK kit, would it be possible to add keys for the AZERTY (French) layout? It is never supported on group buys and I know a lot of people would be interested, especially given Carbon’s popularity. I don’t know how it would impact the price for the Euro kit but maybe it could help it reach MOQ.
In any case, keep up the great work!
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Post by: T0mb3ry on Fri, 20 July 2018, 17:14:14
Can’t wait for this drop! I am fairly new to this hobby so this will be my first Carbon key set.
If I can make a suggestion: I see you’re doing a Norde/UK kit, would it be possible to add keys for the AZERTY (French) layout? It is never supported on group buys and I know a lot of people would be interested, especially given Carbon’s popularity. I don’t know how it would impact the price for the Euro kit but maybe it could help it reach MOQ.
In any case, keep up the great work!
Welcome to mechanical keyboards hobby and to Geekhack.
AZERTY is almost impossible task. Current NORDEUK kit will be already some kind of expensive and there is really no way around it. Tho adding to it another langauge would make it logicaly more expensive. The way i see, AZERTY belongs into SOUTH EU kit. Such kit would contain french, italian, spanish and portuguese languages. The problem however is that this hobby is not popular in EU in order to fullfill the MOQ (which is 100 kits for GMK sets). Where are definitely more than 100 mechanical keyboard enthusiasts in those countries but most of them switched already to US ANSI layout. At the moment SOUTH EU kit might work only with Signatur Plastics MOQs which do start for some kits at 25.
As alternative i suggest you to get an ANSI layout and use it in combination with EurKEY (https://eurkey.steffen.bruentjen.eu/) layout. EurKEY is pretty intuitive and it lets you type all european special letters and symbols with ANSI layout.
Post by: mingk on Sat, 21 July 2018, 13:10:26
I've never join a GB for keycaps yet but I'm thinking this will be my first! I love Carbon!
I have an ErgoDox EZ, so I plan on getting the ErgoDox kit.
My only question is: Will there be another SA Carbon drop in the near future? And if so will it have kits compatible with the ErgoDox? I've heard there are issues with SA keycaps and ErgoDox.
T0mb3ry you are the man!
Post by: Poesjuh on Sat, 21 July 2018, 13:16:55
Hi all
I've never join a GB for keycaps yet but I'm thinking this will be my first! I love Carbon!
I have an ErgoDox EZ, so I plan on getting the ErgoDox kit.
My only question is: Will there be another SA Carbon drop in the near future? And if so will it have kits compatible with the ErgoDox? I've heard there are issues with SA keycaps and ErgoDox.
T0mb3ry you are the man!
You need alpha's and a ergodox kit basically. Nothing more.
Post by: clik_clak on Sat, 21 July 2018, 13:24:38
Hi all
I've never join a GB for keycaps yet but I'm thinking this will be my first! I love Carbon!
I have an ErgoDox EZ, so I plan on getting the ErgoDox kit.
My only question is: Will there be another SA Carbon drop in the near future? And if so will it have kits compatible with the ErgoDox? I've heard there are issues with SA keycaps and ErgoDox.
T0mb3ry you are the man!
The chances of SA Carbon anytime soon is about slim to none. I would guess 1-2 years minimum before we see it again, probably closer to 2 years.
Post by: ideus on Sat, 21 July 2018, 14:05:14
Can’t wait for this drop! I am fairly new to this hobby so this will be my first Carbon key set.
If I can make a suggestion: I see you’re doing a Norde/UK kit, would it be possible to add keys for the AZERTY (French) layout? It is never supported on group buys and I know a lot of people would be interested, especially given Carbon’s popularity. I don’t know how it would impact the price for the Euro kit but maybe it could help it reach MOQ.
In any case, keep up the great work!
Welcome to mechanical keyboards hobby and to Geekhack.
AZERTY is almost impossible task. Current NORDEUK kit will be already some kind of expensive and there is really no way around it. Tho adding to it another langauge would make it logicaly more expensive. The way i see, AZERTY belongs into SOUTH EU kit. Such kit would contain french, italian, spanish and portuguese languages. The problem however is that this hobby is not popular in EU in order to fullfill the MOQ (which is 100 kits for GMK sets). Where are definitely more than 100 mechanical keyboard enthusiasts in those countries but most of them switched already to US ANSI layout. At the moment SOUTH EU kit might work only with Signatur Plastics MOQs which do start for some kits at 25.
As alternative i suggest you to get an ANSI layout and use it in combination with EurKEY (https://eurkey.steffen.bruentjen.eu/) layout. EurKEY is pretty intuitive and it lets you type all european special letters and symbols with ANSI layout.
The well known US-International language character set allows to type most Euro characters using an US-ANSI layout. I do not like it the most, but it is the best choice to be able to use most available custom sets and off-the-shelf keyboards.
Post by: T0mb3ry on Sat, 21 July 2018, 14:17:02
Hi all
I've never join a GB for keycaps yet but I'm thinking this will be my first! I love Carbon!
I have an ErgoDox EZ, so I plan on getting the ErgoDox kit.
My only question is: Will there be another SA Carbon drop in the near future? And if so will it have kits compatible with the ErgoDox? I've heard there are issues with SA keycaps and ErgoDox.
T0mb3ry you are the man!
Hello and welcome to Geekhack.
I dont think Carbon SA will happen any time soon. Probably few years will past until the next drop happens. You should probably wait for another Recap drop which happens from time to time on Massdrop. The last Recap had many spare Carbon kits and i think this is a safe way to get it. Otherwise you could search for it on Mechmarket. Its pretty common now since the last drop.
In case of GMK Carbon, i think after this drop it will take also few years for another potential redrop.
Anyway in the end its the demand which plays big factor for an potential redrop.
Post by: oldcat on Sat, 21 July 2018, 14:40:31
Post by: T0mb3ry on Sat, 21 July 2018, 15:01:51
It’s ready! Let’s drop this soon!!!Not yet. I need to see possible pricings for current base sets and make a decision about keeping R0 and R5 (say the current state of the kits). I went very enthusiastically in the kit creation and they might cost too much for a less enthusiastic person.
This is why i made an IC this early.
Post by: HotRoderX on Sat, 21 July 2018, 15:05:03
Post by: konstantin on Sat, 21 July 2018, 15:15:13
I know this might be a strange question but has anyone ever done render's of Carbon with Galjin symbols? I don't know if it look good but something unique and never hurts to be curious.(http://pa1.narvii.com/6653/683f696e4edb4e3e3f78c855a65caa2507f793dd_00.gif)
We're getting to a point where there are too many keysets with weeb legends, and none of them (except for Serika) even did it 100% right.
Post by: dsaf on Sat, 21 July 2018, 15:22:15
Post by: bobdenard on Sat, 21 July 2018, 15:28:30
Can’t wait for this drop! I am fairly new to this hobby so this will be my first Carbon key set.
If I can make a suggestion: I see you’re doing a Norde/UK kit, would it be possible to add keys for the AZERTY (French) layout? It is never supported on group buys and I know a lot of people would be interested, especially given Carbon’s popularity. I don’t know how it would impact the price for the Euro kit but maybe it could help it reach MOQ.
In any case, keep up the great work!
Welcome to mechanical keyboards hobby and to Geekhack.
AZERTY is almost impossible task. Current NORDEUK kit will be already some kind of expensive and there is really no way around it. Tho adding to it another langauge would make it logicaly more expensive. The way i see, AZERTY belongs into SOUTH EU kit. Such kit would contain french, italian, spanish and portuguese languages. The problem however is that this hobby is not popular in EU in order to fullfill the MOQ (which is 100 kits for GMK sets). Where are definitely more than 100 mechanical keyboard enthusiasts in those countries but most of them switched already to US ANSI layout. At the moment SOUTH EU kit might work only with Signatur Plastics MOQs which do start for some kits at 25.
As alternative i suggest you to get an ANSI layout and use it in combination with EurKEY (https://eurkey.steffen.bruentjen.eu/) layout. EurKEY is pretty intuitive and it lets you type all european special letters and symbols with ANSI layout.
The well known US-International language character set allows to type most Euro characters using an US-ANSI layout. I do not like it the most, but it is the best choice to be able to use most available custom sets and off-the-shelf keyboards.
I know, that’s what I’m using most of the time. It works fine, but I thought it was worth a shot trying to get a real AZERTY keyset. I know my girlfriend would love it. Right now, other than mainstream brands (Razer, Logitech...) only Varmilo has a couple of options, but it’s really slim pickings...
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Post by: konstantin on Sat, 21 July 2018, 22:28:20
I know, that’s what I’m using most of the time. It works fine, but I thought it was worth a shot trying to get a real AZERTY keyset. I know my girlfriend would love it. Right now, other than mainstream brands (Razer, Logitech...) only Varmilo has a couple of options, but it’s really slim pickings...That's because AZERTY is an ungodly abomination of a layout; you can't even type all of the French characters with it! You should both switch to BÉPO, it's put together much better. Granted, you'd have even less keycap compatibility, but hey, at least you'd be typing on a decent layout.
Alternatively, just use QWERTY (but please stay away from US-Intl, it's almost as bad as AZERTY).
Post by: mingk on Sun, 22 July 2018, 13:36:51
I am not missing out on this. Not gonna regret not getting something 2+ years from now.
Post by: Poesjuh on Sun, 22 July 2018, 13:57:00
Any news with regards to the vertical kit that would also include accent keys to combine with the Bone Alpha’s? Or is that the 4.0 kit? Since that seems to have every modifier and accent keys
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Post by: T0mb3ry on Sun, 22 July 2018, 15:11:13
@T0mb3ry,
Any news with regards to the vertical kit that would also include accent keys to combine with the Bone Alpha’s? Or is that the 4.0 kit? Since that seems to have every modifier and accent keys
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I've discarded the idea with vertikal function keys because there are too many combinations and that would make the Xtra 4.0 kit too big. Also as alternative for vertical function keys people can use row 1 warning signs, which do allow all possible combination and dont have any particular meaning/functionality.
Regarding the accent keys for bone base, the Xtra 4.0 kit is already huge i dont want to make it bigger. Also the Xtra 4.0 kit has the purpose to offer row4 bottom row for low angle keyboards and 40% layouts. Overall there are already too many kits for an GMK Set and i dont want to add any more. So basically right now i dont see any way to add some orange accent keys for Bone.
Post by: Poesjuh on Sun, 22 July 2018, 17:12:10
Ah, pity :( I still want it, but would have loved accent caps without buying 2 alpha sets :P@T0mb3ry,
Any news with regards to the vertical kit that would also include accent keys to combine with the Bone Alpha’s? Or is that the 4.0 kit? Since that seems to have every modifier and accent keys
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I've discarded the idea with vertikal function keys because there are too many combinations and that would make the Xtra 4.0 kit too big. Also as alternative for vertical function keys people can use row 1 warning signs, which do allow all possible combination and dont have any particular meaning/functionality.
Regarding the accent keys for bone base, the Xtra 4.0 kit is already huge i dont want to make it bigger. Also the Xtra 4.0 kit has the purpose to offer row4 bottom row for low angle keyboards and 40% layouts. Overall there are already too many kits for an GMK Set and i dont want to add any more. So basically right now i dont see any way to add some orange accent keys for Bone.
Post by: ideus on Sun, 22 July 2018, 17:33:56
Ah, pity :( I still want it, but would have loved accent caps without buying 2 alpha sets :P@T0mb3ry,
Any news with regards to the vertical kit that would also include accent keys to combine with the Bone Alpha’s? Or is that the 4.0 kit? Since that seems to have every modifier and accent keys
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I've discarded the idea with vertikal function keys because there are too many combinations and that would make the Xtra 4.0 kit too big. Also as alternative for vertical function keys people can use row 1 warning signs, which do allow all possible combination and dont have any particular meaning/functionality.
Regarding the accent keys for bone base, the Xtra 4.0 kit is already huge i dont want to make it bigger. Also the Xtra 4.0 kit has the purpose to offer row4 bottom row for low angle keyboards and 40% layouts. Overall there are already too many kits for an GMK Set and i dont want to add any more. So basically right now i dont see any way to add some orange accent keys for Bone.
MK common trend is not be cheap. Cheap-shame. :p
Remark: I hate to expend more than it is really needed, so cheap-shame-on-me.
Post by: Poesjuh on Sun, 22 July 2018, 17:37:39
Ah, pity :( I still want it, but would have loved accent caps without buying 2 alpha sets :P@T0mb3ry,
Any news with regards to the vertical kit that would also include accent keys to combine with the Bone Alpha’s? Or is that the 4.0 kit? Since that seems to have every modifier and accent keys
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I've discarded the idea with vertikal function keys because there are too many combinations and that would make the Xtra 4.0 kit too big. Also as alternative for vertical function keys people can use row 1 warning signs, which do allow all possible combination and dont have any particular meaning/functionality.
Regarding the accent keys for bone base, the Xtra 4.0 kit is already huge i dont want to make it bigger. Also the Xtra 4.0 kit has the purpose to offer row4 bottom row for low angle keyboards and 40% layouts. Overall there are already too many kits for an GMK Set and i dont want to add any more. So basically right now i dont see any way to add some orange accent keys for Bone.
MK common trend is not be cheap. Cheap-shame. :p
Remark: I hate to expend more than it is really needed, so cheap-shame-on-me.
After looking at both base kits it kinda seems “unfair” that the regular base kit does get 2 arrow kits, 2 enters and 2 escapes (all the accent caps) while the bone kit only gets one of each.
So logically thinking, the bone kit should either be cheaper or also get 2 of each ;)
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Post by: ideus on Sun, 22 July 2018, 17:42:42
Ah, pity :( I still want it, but would have loved accent caps without buying 2 alpha sets :P@T0mb3ry,
Any news with regards to the vertical kit that would also include accent keys to combine with the Bone Alpha’s? Or is that the 4.0 kit? Since that seems to have every modifier and accent keys
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I've discarded the idea with vertikal function keys because there are too many combinations and that would make the Xtra 4.0 kit too big. Also as alternative for vertical function keys people can use row 1 warning signs, which do allow all possible combination and dont have any particular meaning/functionality.
Regarding the accent keys for bone base, the Xtra 4.0 kit is already huge i dont want to make it bigger. Also the Xtra 4.0 kit has the purpose to offer row4 bottom row for low angle keyboards and 40% layouts. Overall there are already too many kits for an GMK Set and i dont want to add any more. So basically right now i dont see any way to add some orange accent keys for Bone.
MK common trend is not be cheap. Cheap-shame. :p
Remark: I hate to expend more than it is really needed, so cheap-shame-on-me.
After looking at both base kits it kinda seems “unfair” that the regular base kit does get 2 arrow kits, 2 enters and 2 escapes (all the accent caps) while the bone kit only gets one of each.
So logically thinking, the bone kit should either be cheaper or also get 2 of each ;)
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It is called "bone" for a reason. Isn't it? It is all barebones. :))
Post by: Poesjuh on Sun, 22 July 2018, 17:56:39
Inb4 barebones price then, I’m ready. Cheap-shame let’s go 🤣Ah, pity :( I still want it, but would have loved accent caps without buying 2 alpha sets :P@T0mb3ry,
Any news with regards to the vertical kit that would also include accent keys to combine with the Bone Alpha’s? Or is that the 4.0 kit? Since that seems to have every modifier and accent keys
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I've discarded the idea with vertikal function keys because there are too many combinations and that would make the Xtra 4.0 kit too big. Also as alternative for vertical function keys people can use row 1 warning signs, which do allow all possible combination and dont have any particular meaning/functionality.
Regarding the accent keys for bone base, the Xtra 4.0 kit is already huge i dont want to make it bigger. Also the Xtra 4.0 kit has the purpose to offer row4 bottom row for low angle keyboards and 40% layouts. Overall there are already too many kits for an GMK Set and i dont want to add any more. So basically right now i dont see any way to add some orange accent keys for Bone.
MK common trend is not be cheap. Cheap-shame. :p
Remark: I hate to expend more than it is really needed, so cheap-shame-on-me.
After looking at both base kits it kinda seems “unfair” that the regular base kit does get 2 arrow kits, 2 enters and 2 escapes (all the accent caps) while the bone kit only gets one of each.
So logically thinking, the bone kit should either be cheaper or also get 2 of each ;)
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It is called "bone" for a reason. Isn't it? It is all barebones. :))
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Post by: ideus on Sun, 22 July 2018, 18:05:52
Inb4 barebones price then, I’m ready. Cheap-shame let’s go 🤣Ah, pity :( I still want it, but would have loved accent caps without buying 2 alpha sets :p@T0mb3ry,
Any news with regards to the vertical kit that would also include accent keys to combine with the Bone Alpha’s? Or is that the 4.0 kit? Since that seems to have every modifier and accent keysShow Image(https://emoji.tapatalk-cdn.com/emoji14.png)
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I've discarded the idea with vertikal function keys because there are too many combinations and that would make the Xtra 4.0 kit too big. Also as alternative for vertical function keys people can use row 1 warning signs, which do allow all possible combination and dont have any particular meaning/functionality.
Regarding the accent keys for bone base, the Xtra 4.0 kit is already huge i dont want to make it bigger. Also the Xtra 4.0 kit has the purpose to offer row4 bottom row for low angle keyboards and 40% layouts. Overall there are already too many kits for an GMK Set and i dont want to add any more. So basically right now i dont see any way to add some orange accent keys for Bone.
MK common trend is not be cheap. Cheap-shame. :p
Remark: I hate to expend more than it is really needed, so cheap-shame-on-me.
After looking at both base kits it kinda seems “unfair” that the regular base kit does get 2 arrow kits, 2 enters and 2 escapes (all the accent caps) while the bone kit only gets one of each.
So logically thinking, the bone kit should either be cheaper or also get 2 of each ;)
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It is called "bone" for a reason. Isn't it? It is all barebones. :))
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Jokes aside. Both sets are very well featured. The only difference is that the main has accents. :thumb:
Post by: OracleKev on Sun, 22 July 2018, 23:21:21
Could you look at pricing from enthusiast POV as well? This set is ground braking in many ways, so a lot of folks will want to buy many, many kits, and it's going to be brutal to wallets.It’s ready! Let’s drop this soon!!!Not yet. I need to see possible pricings for current base sets and make a decision about keeping R0 and R5 (say the current state of the kits). I went very enthusiastically in the kit creation and they might cost too much for a less enthusiastic person.
This is why i made an IC this early.
Here is a random idea: GMK pricing supposedly is better for bigger kits. Is it possible to create "bundle Novelties kit" that include all Novelties, that pushes up each Novelty kit's quantity up and offered at bundle discount? Maybe this is a pipe dream. ;D
Post by: T0mb3ry on Mon, 23 July 2018, 02:35:13
After looking at both base kits it kinda seems “unfair” that the regular base kit does get 2 arrow kits, 2 enters and 2 escapes (all the accent caps) while the bone kit only gets one of each.
So logically thinking, the bone kit should either be cheaper or also get 2 of each ;)
The idea of Bone set is to offer an option of "Carbon" set without orange color. So adding some orange accent keys will kind of sway away from that idea. Netherless i am looking into it but i dont promisse to add some accen keys to Bone base.
Carbon base does offer accent keys in order to give an option to eliminate the orange keys. Say it gives you the option to tune the amount of orange you like.
Those two base sets are also quite different. Bone is bicolor and uses classic color schema. Carbon is tricolor and its using its original color schema (plus its offering accent keys for orange key elimination). Thus they cant be treated equally.
Could you look at pricing from enthusiast POV as well? This set is ground braking in many ways, so a lot of folks will want to buy many, many kits, and it's going to be brutal to wallets.
Here is a random idea: GMK pricing supposedly is better for bigger kits. Is it possible to create "bundle Novelties kit" that include all Novelties, that pushes up each Novelty kit's quantity up and offered at bundle discount? Maybe this is a pipe dream. ;D
My enthusiastic POV has high limits in terms of pricing (depending on what is offered). I know you probably share with me same views but other people, who are not as enthusiastic, do share different views and their financial limits for this niche hobby are also lower. The challange here is more to get a good balance between value (what is offered) and price. From my POV right now the base kits look perfect without knowing the price.
Regarding the merging all novelties into one big Novelty kit. You are right about bigger sets. Bigger sets have best dollar per key ratio in general. Tho there is also the issue about how many keys you can utilize. For example base kits are huge but they need to be this big in order to give different layouts a coverage. The MOQ is the major factor in that setup and there is no way around it. You cant use all the keys from base kit but most users will definitely use most of them. So base kits do have good price/value ratio and most importantly they are necessary most of the time in order to use other kits.
The Novelties on the other hand are niche and optional. Some people like them, some people dont. If we take warning signs kits for example. Each kit offers colors for Carbon and Bone and depending on how you want to utilize them you pay probably extra. But this is ok because they are optional. IMO they have still good value/price ratio for what they are. However merging these would make that value/price ratio worse if you are using a layout without function row (row 0 in the current kit state). Overall i think the majority will take only specific kits they need.
The kits are designed with the goal to provide best value/price ratio (if purchased logicaly). And there is also the difference between the importance of specific kits. Sure i will not be able to please everyone, there will be still people who has snowflake wishes, but current state of kits is best (considering all facts and limits given) IMHO.
In short: i dont think there will be enough buyers for an Novelty kit bundle.
Post by: OracleKev on Mon, 23 July 2018, 03:53:22
...Understood and makes sense. Guess I just need to shock proof my wallet. :cool:
In short: i dont think there will be enough buyers for an Novelty kit bundle.
Thx for taking time to explain your thoughts.
Post by: Endeavour1934 on Mon, 23 July 2018, 13:44:52
With a little patience people can do the same as me: buy Base set + Warning Signs on one drop and wait two years to buy other kits on the next drop ;D Easy.Could you look at pricing from enthusiast POV as well? This set is ground braking in many ways, so a lot of folks will want to buy many, many kits, and it's going to be brutal to wallets.My enthusiastic POV has high limits in terms of pricing (depending on what is offered). I know you probably share with me same views but other people, who are not as enthusiastic, do share different views and their financial limits for this niche hobby are also lower. The challange here is more to get a good balance between value (what is offered) and price. From my POV right now the base kits look perfect without knowing the price.
Here is a random idea: GMK pricing supposedly is better for bigger kits. Is it possible to create "bundle Novelties kit" that include all Novelties, that pushes up each Novelty kit's quantity up and offered at bundle discount? Maybe this is a pipe dream. ;D
Post by: ideus on Mon, 23 July 2018, 13:47:58
With a little patience people can do the same as me: buy Base set + Warning Signs on one drop and wait two years to buy other kits on the next drop ;D Easy.Could you look at pricing from enthusiast POV as well? This set is ground braking in many ways, so a lot of folks will want to buy many, many kits, and it's going to be brutal to wallets.My enthusiastic POV has high limits in terms of pricing (depending on what is offered). I know you probably share with me same views but other people, who are not as enthusiastic, do share different views and their financial limits for this niche hobby are also lower. The challange here is more to get a good balance between value (what is offered) and price. From my POV right now the base kits look perfect without knowing the price.
Here is a random idea: GMK pricing supposedly is better for bigger kits. Is it possible to create "bundle Novelties kit" that include all Novelties, that pushes up each Novelty kit's quantity up and offered at bundle discount? Maybe this is a pipe dream. ;D
If you have a crystal ball and thus you are sure on an upcoming R3. Then yes.
Post by: oldcat on Mon, 23 July 2018, 14:34:47
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Post by: T0mb3ry on Mon, 23 July 2018, 15:27:41
just wanted to throw this idea out there. I wouldn't mind seeing Carbon run in XDA at some point. I honestly think XDA is my favorite profile hands down. Though GMK is really nice also, but figured since this is a Incoming any idea's are welcome. Though wouldn't expect this to be changed from GMK just giving new idea's is all.
Will never happen. I will not provide my work to people who produce knockoffs.
Post by: HotRoderX on Mon, 23 July 2018, 16:06:50
just wanted to throw this idea out there. I wouldn't mind seeing Carbon run in XDA at some point. I honestly think XDA is my favorite profile hands down. Though GMK is really nice also, but figured since this is a Incoming any idea's are welcome. Though wouldn't expect this to be changed from GMK just giving new idea's is all.
Will never happen. I will not provide my work to people who produce knockoffs.
O got ya completely understandable. I am guessing there only one company with XDA profile molds. Honestly I figured SP might have XDA molds since they do DSA. The entire profile thing is a bit confusing at times. This also explains why we don't see more sets run in XDA
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Post by: mingk on Wed, 25 July 2018, 00:05:43
just wanted to throw this idea out there. I wouldn't mind seeing Carbon run in XDA at some point. I honestly think XDA is my favorite profile hands down. Though GMK is really nice also, but figured since this is a Incoming any idea's are welcome. Though wouldn't expect this to be changed from GMK just giving new idea's is all.
Will never happen. I will not provide my work to people who produce knockoffs.
What's the story behind this?
Kind of new to this world and don't know who produces XDA and what they did..
Post by: T0mb3ry on Wed, 25 July 2018, 02:28:27
Few months back there were postings on reddit about XDA Godspeed knock offs with Micons. This treatment is kind of strange and leaves bad taste in the mouth, if you think that MiTo generated for them quite lot of money with his designs. And still you see XDA Godspeed knockoffs on Ali and TaoBao. I will wonder if MiTo will run another XDA Godspeed again, but its up to him.just wanted to throw this idea out there. I wouldn't mind seeing Carbon run in XDA at some point. I honestly think XDA is my favorite profile hands down. Though GMK is really nice also, but figured since this is a Incoming any idea's are welcome. Though wouldn't expect this to be changed from GMK just giving new idea's is all.
Will never happen. I will not provide my work to people who produce knockoffs.
What's the story behind this?
Kind of new to this world and don't know who produces XDA and what they did..
But why bother? It does not make sense because they always did it and will always do. I for myself work only with GMK and Signatur Plastics. Intelectual Property is not foreign term for them and they are the best, since their quality is still unmatched.
Post by: Wetherbee on Wed, 25 July 2018, 06:31:30
The Boneyard Alphas have a similar problem but it is solved by picking up both the Ivory Mods and the Bone Base kit to get the proper F-row. Expensive but do-able.
In general I usually prefer that all Alpha-kits include their matching F-row cousins for proper mixing and matching. :)
Sorry I had to rewrite my post to make it clearer.
Post by: T0mb3ry on Wed, 25 July 2018, 06:58:41
The bone base kit is textbook perfect. I wish Oblotzky would do the same thing with his F row on GMK Space Cadet (with the alternating colors on the F-row).
However, this falls apart with the alternate Alpha kits because they are both missing F1-F4 and F9-F12 so it doesn't look right on a TKL. :(
No matter which kit I match Beezarre or Boneyard alphas with, the F row colors doen't alternate correctly to my eyes.
Base kits are really both top drawer endgame cap sets! I only wish the Alpha kits included the alpha-colored F keys.
That said, what saves these alpha kits is the Warning Signs and Rolling Bones kits, which if used in place of the F row enables you to set up the colors correctly by alternating them. Brilliant!
Your arguments do make sense and i will look into it.
The Bone base has less keys than Carbon base and i might add some accent keys to it like F1-F4 and F9-F12 keys in mod color. This would make it look right with Boneyard alphas.
Beezarre alphas on the other hand are destined logically for Carbon base and supporting it with Bone base is not possible.
I will not make any updates for now since i need to get look into possible price listing for base sets. After that i will announce if vintage rows in base sets are going to be a real thing.
Post by: Wetherbee on Wed, 25 July 2018, 07:01:41
Post by: Wetherbee on Wed, 25 July 2018, 07:05:47
Beezarre alphas on the other hand are destined logically for Carbon base and supporting it with Bone base is not possible.
I see what you are saying, but overlaying Beezarre on the Carbon Base looks a little odd without the alpha-colored F1-F4 and F8-F12 since those keys remain mod colored. Actually it causes the whole top row to look Beezarre!
Post by: T0mb3ry on Wed, 25 July 2018, 07:12:36
Oops. I had to rewrite my post to make it clearer as I made a few mistakes (Rolling Bones doesn't work on the R0 F-row and I figured out how to get the F-keys for Boneyard Alphas by combining multiple kits).
Rolling Bones is also not designed to replace F row. Its supposed to be placed on number row and thus it does also not replace the number row fully.
Beezarre alphas on the other hand are destined logically for Carbon base and supporting it with Bone base is not possible.
I see what you are saying, but overlaying Beezarre on the Carbon Base looks a little odd without the alpha-colored F1-F4 and F8-F12 since those keys remain mod colored. Looks Beezarre!
Well probably the better solution is to add those keys to the optional alphas. But as i said i will look into it.
Post by: Giorgio on Wed, 25 July 2018, 09:11:13
I think users are entitled to know why several designers are deciding to ignore a specific community user-base, especially when tombr3y brought it up first, whether it's addressed in this thread or a different one, it should still be addressed.
You're absolutely not entitled to knowing why they choose to not include x or y key in their set(s). I'm not saying transparency is a bad thing, I'm just saying they can do what they like with their set without having to justify every choice in key to potential buyers or community members in general.
LOL
Post by: keebweeb on Thu, 26 July 2018, 09:55:25
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Post by: schoolbus on Fri, 27 July 2018, 00:07:37
Any chance on 3u spacebar mold? All uncoming keycaps will benefit from it.
wut
Post by: hineybush on Fri, 27 July 2018, 09:45:20
Post by: Remsky on Fri, 27 July 2018, 13:30:32
I'm pretty sure the only board that even uses a 3u is a Manila? or I guess if you do weird 2 x 3u stuff for spacebars, idk. either way not worth adding that imoBut chyna uses it, so you gotta include it for the biggest audience :wegif:
Post by: redleaf on Fri, 27 July 2018, 16:01:05
Post by: T0mb3ry on Fri, 27 July 2018, 16:40:51
Any chance on 3u spacebar mold? All uncoming keycaps will benefit from it.I can understand that 3u spacebar is needed but GMK Carbon will introduce 2.25u and 2.75u convex keys and by that the limit of new molds is already reached (not counting row5 1.25u key). The 2.25u and 2.75u spacebars have right now bigger demand.
Post by: ideus on Fri, 27 July 2018, 17:54:49
Any chance on 3u spacebar mold? All uncoming keycaps will benefit from it.I can understand that 3u spacebar is needed but GMK Carbon will introduce 2.25u and 2.75u convex keys and by that the limit of new molds is already reached (not counting row5 1.25u key). The 2.25u and 2.75u spacebars have right now bigger demand.
Good choice. 2.25u and 2.75u are in demand at the moment. It is doubful that a 3u space bar may have some.
Post by: xondat on Fri, 27 July 2018, 17:59:43
It's difficult to create demand for a size when it's impossible to make custom keycaps (unlike the Manila, as the manufacturer is able to).
Post by: bobdenard on Sat, 28 July 2018, 16:43:46
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Post by: T0mb3ry on Mon, 30 July 2018, 15:10:04
Any chance you can merge the Half-Life Lambda kit into the primary Novelties kit? I loved half-life, but I'd be totally happy being limited to a couple R0, R1, R5 options if it came in that sweet novelties set.
Sorry but this is not possible. I've got permission from valve to offer this half-life lambda once a year and that explains the bottom trademark text. I can offer these only as separate kit.
I’m not able to pass this up but that means I won’t be able to keep TA 90! Why do you do this to me Tomb3ry?!
Keep in mind GMK Carbon will happen probably in Q4 and you got plenty of time. I suggest not to miss TA 90. In my imagination the colors are top notch and you will most probably regret it. And where is also GMK Space Cadet...... I personaly cant miss those sets. I dont have even boards for these.
Post by: Poesjuh on Mon, 30 July 2018, 15:47:44
Post by: equalunique on Wed, 01 August 2018, 12:20:07
Post by: oldcat on Wed, 01 August 2018, 12:41:52
I would like reverse-color alphas (tan on grey) & a planck set.
Reverse color on this is a must have!
Post by: equalunique on Wed, 01 August 2018, 12:54:02
I would like reverse-color alphas (tan on grey) & a planck set.
Reverse color on this is a must have!
Glad it's not just me who agrees! You can also find grey on orange Carbon-themed sets on AliExpress. Personally I still favor tan on grey reverse-color, but it goes to show there are a lot of popular aspects to Carbon.
Post by: Oblotzky on Wed, 01 August 2018, 12:57:36
I would like reverse-color alphas (tan on grey) & a planck set.
Already done
(https://i.imgur.com/NckVxEE.png)
Post by: equalunique on Wed, 01 August 2018, 13:18:08
I would like reverse-color alphas (tan on grey) & a planck set.
Already doneShow Image(https://i.imgur.com/NckVxEE.png)
Thank you so much & apologies for missing this one. My corporate firewall blocks imgur so I was only going off the sets that were listed in the main post.
Post by: Zambumon on Wed, 01 August 2018, 16:31:28
Any chance on 3u spacebar mold? All uncoming keycaps will benefit from it.I can understand that 3u spacebar is needed but GMK Carbon will introduce 2.25u and 2.75u convex keys and by that the limit of new molds is already reached (not counting row5 1.25u key). The 2.25u and 2.75u spacebars have right now bigger demand.
While 3.00U and 3.25U, as well as 4.00U spacebars are used on keyboards such as the Mistel Barocco, and the Minila, these keys would be really expensive to make. 2.25U and 2.75U are a safer bet for GMK, and at the moment there are a reasonable number of custom keybaords that use them.
Post by: T0mb3ry on Wed, 01 August 2018, 17:03:58
Novelkeys received first samples which are shown below. As you can see some color are off and these will be matched later. Tho the gradient is kind of worrying for me personaly but i need to see one sample in person. I will then see if its needs to be redesigned or i could work around to get it smoother (as you can see other gradients are nice and smooth).
(https://i.imgur.com/EjQJg26.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/VmVn79i.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/MQoZFOF.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/tBa75vT.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/heRH0Or.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/JoXjNJC.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/oSNqfwu.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/0SMsTIN.jpg)
Post by: SBN on Wed, 01 August 2018, 17:41:24
Some update on Deskmats.
Novelkeys received first samples which are shown below. As you can see some color are off and these will be matched later. Tho the gradient is kind of worrying for me personaly but i need to see one sample in person. I will then see if its needs to be redesigned or i could work around to get it smoother (as you can see other gradients are nice and smooth).
Deskmats! Nice!
Post by: Corgiattackkk on Wed, 01 August 2018, 20:06:39
Post by: MikeTheTiger on Thu, 02 August 2018, 17:04:09
Post by: Atredl on Thu, 02 August 2018, 17:31:19
I know SA Carbon had a centered C but the rest of the alphas were also centered so it matched. I think it would look pretty out of place and break up the GMK look if it was the same.
Post by: LightningXI on Thu, 02 August 2018, 17:35:41
Has the idea of modifying the novelty C key been brought up? Moving the C to the top left instead of center would match the rest of the alphas. It could look similar to the table below with the atomic and mass numbers on the right instead of the left.I'm inclined to agree with this. Good suggestion
I know SA Carbon had a centered C but the rest of the alphas were also centered so it matched. I think it would look pretty out of place and break up the GMK look if it was centered.
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Post by: T0mb3ry on Thu, 02 August 2018, 17:43:24
Has the idea of modifying the novelty C key been brought up? Moving the C to the top left instead of center would match the rest of the alphas. It could look similar to the table below with the atomic and mass numbers on the right instead of the left.
I know SA Carbon had a centered C but the rest of the alphas were also centered so it matched. I think it would look pretty out of place and break up the GMK look if it was centered.
Yeah the centered C is my issue with that novelty. I was looking for similar format but i couldn't find one. Anyway i will look into this format. If i go straight after the format of that table, then the C goes into bottom left corner and the atomic and mass numbers go in their top corners. Keep in mind i have to follow scientific standards for that specific novelty. Say i cant move the notation as i like in order to make it look better.
Anyway i appreciate your suggestion ;)
Post by: Atredl on Thu, 02 August 2018, 17:53:12
I think I have a periodic table for a previous class that has the letter at the top right. Let me see if I can find it to post here.Has the idea of modifying the novelty C key been brought up? Moving the C to the top left instead of center would match the rest of the alphas. It could look similar to the table below with the atomic and mass numbers on the right instead of the left.
I know SA Carbon had a centered C but the rest of the alphas were also centered so it matched. I think it would look pretty out of place and break up the GMK look if it was centered.
Yeah the centered C is my issue with that novelty. I was looking for similar format but i couldn't find one. Anyway i will look into this format. If i go straight after the format of that table, then the C goes into bottom left corner and the atomic and mass numbers go in their top corners. Keep in mind i have to follow scientific standards for that specific novelty. Say i cant move the notation as i like in order to make it look better.
Anyway i appreciate your suggestion ;)
As a Materials Science guy who doesn’t like SA profile, I’ve been waiting for a GMK Carbon that includes that C key. Gotta make sure it comes out right.
Post by: dvorcol on Fri, 03 August 2018, 01:04:48
(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/5/5e/Tabla_periodica_completa.svg/800px-Tabla_periodica_completa.svg.png)
Based on another website (http://www.sciencegeek.net/tables/tables.shtml) that led me to the table above, it seems there is no hard and fast standard.
Post by: Giorgio on Fri, 03 August 2018, 02:11:41
Adding F1-F4 and F9-F12 in my opinion would be necessary for an alpha set, otherwise you have a non standard colorscheme, which hurts my eyes a lot, just imagine having beige Function Keys and grey alphas. Horrible. Remember that a single 1u key costs less than 0.5 USD, so the total would be 4 usd, which is very small money considering how much good it's adding to your 60 USD alphas set.
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Post by: oldcat on Fri, 03 August 2018, 17:06:25
Post by: konstantin on Sat, 04 August 2018, 22:43:18
I found a periodic table with C in the top left (here (https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Tabla_periodica_completa.svg) is the source):In chemistry, elements are conventionally always written with the mass number as the left superscript and the atomic number as the left subscript of the element symbol. I believe this is a IUPAC standard. Periodic tables can do it however they like because they don't follow formal notation, but rather just list some of the elements' properties in an arbitrary layout. I wouldn't use any particular periodic table as a definitive reference.Show Image(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/5/5e/Tabla_periodica_completa.svg/800px-Tabla_periodica_completa.svg.png)
Based on another website (http://www.sciencegeek.net/tables/tables.shtml) that led me to the table above, it seems there is no hard and fast standard.
Either have the legend be a proper chemical symbol, or forget about correctness and print it however looks best.
Post by: T0mb3ry on Sun, 05 August 2018, 06:51:29
However the standard notation does not work well with cherry profile alignments. In this case i want to suggest slightly different notation format. Since that novelty is truly for people who has some knowledge in chemistry, i think it will be easy for them to recognize the notation format.
(https://i.imgur.com/zBziEuO.png)
Post by: bobdenard on Sun, 05 August 2018, 07:30:44
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Post by: dvorcol on Sun, 05 August 2018, 11:41:11
Ok it seems like you can use any notation for periodic table as long you provide some format description for it. But indeed there is only one unified standard notation which is used for current Carbon Element novelty.
However the standard notation does not work well with cherry profile alignments. In this case i want to suggest slightly different notation format. Since that novelty is truly for people who has some knowledge in chemistry, i think it will be easy for them to recognize the notation format.Show Image(https://i.imgur.com/zBziEuO.png)
Note that using a comma versus a dot for the decimal in the mass depends on country; both are correct. I'd say the best choice depends on the location of the majority of your target customers. See this Wikipedia entry (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Decimal_separator) for details including a map.
Post by: T0mb3ry on Sun, 05 August 2018, 12:00:49
Ok it seems like you can use any notation for periodic table as long you provide some format description for it. But indeed there is only one unified standard notation which is used for current Carbon Element novelty.
However the standard notation does not work well with cherry profile alignments. In this case i want to suggest slightly different notation format. Since that novelty is truly for people who has some knowledge in chemistry, i think it will be easy for them to recognize the notation format.Show Image(https://i.imgur.com/zBziEuO.png)
Note that using a comma versus a dot for the decimal in the mass depends on country; both are correct. I'd say the best choice depends on the location of the majority of your target customers. See this Wikipedia entry (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Decimal_separator) for details including a map.
You know i am european and that explains why that scetch has comma. Tho i choose to have a point and the updated novelties (tho not released in this ic thread) do have already points instead of komma. The reasons for this is that the base set is US Ansi. And US Ansi numpad has a point on numblock, where ISO numpad has a komma. (side note: that small numpad detail was always missed in previous iso kits... i should probably look into it). Also the mass number is pretty small and technically for double shot process the point is more preferable.
Post by: clik_clak on Sun, 05 August 2018, 12:05:08
Post by: T0mb3ry on Sun, 05 August 2018, 12:18:02
Hey T0mb3ry, is this GB still a couple months out? It's been a rather expensive keyboard month with TX offering sales and Space Cadet....Either way, I'll make it work, but hoping for a small respite between buys.
I am always wondering why people do not read front page/first post. You miss quite a lot of information. For example a probable drop date which is Q4 2018. From now you got probably 3-4 months until possible GMK Carbon drop. Thus dont worry and join all those great drops/group buys ;)
Post by: clik_clak on Sun, 05 August 2018, 12:20:49
Hey T0mb3ry, is this GB still a couple months out? It's been a rather expensive keyboard month with TX offering sales and Space Cadet....Either way, I'll make it work, but hoping for a small respite between buys.
I am always wondering why people do not read front page/first post. You miss quite a lot of information. For example a probable drop date which is Q4 2018. From now you got probably 3-4 months until possible GMK Carbon drop. Thus dont worry and join all those great drops/group buys ;)
Q4 is technically 3 weeks away....3-4 months away would put you into Q1 2019.
But thanks for the condescending answer anyways.
Post by: T0mb3ry on Sun, 05 August 2018, 12:31:42
Hey T0mb3ry, is this GB still a couple months out? It's been a rather expensive keyboard month with TX offering sales and Space Cadet....Either way, I'll make it work, but hoping for a small respite between buys.
I am always wondering why people do not read front page/first post. You miss quite a lot of information. For example a probable drop date which is Q4 2018. From now you got probably 3-4 months until possible GMK Carbon drop. Thus dont worry and join all those great drops/group buys ;)
Q4 is technically 3 weeks away....3-4 months away would put you into Q1 2019.
But thanks for the condescending answer anyways.
I want to apologize at this point for my lack of knowledge in fiscal year differences :( . I thought whole world has the same fiscal year definition. I am using german fiscal year. I've updated this info in the first page.
Q1 2018 -- January 1, 2018 to March 31, 2018
Q2 2018 -- April 1, 2018 to June 30, 2018
Q3 2018 -- July 1, 2018 to September 30, 2018
Q4 2018 -- October 1, 2018 to December 31, 2018
As you can see we are months away from possible drop. I dont think it will happen in October but rather Novemeber or even December. But those are my assumptions so take it with a grain of salt.
Post by: Hokabuki on Sun, 05 August 2018, 15:59:35
I would like to see the number be 12 as a whole number without any decimal or comma. As a chemical engineer, most people use the rounded molecular mass.Ok it seems like you can use any notation for periodic table as long you provide some format description for it. But indeed there is only one unified standard notation which is used for current Carbon Element novelty.
However the standard notation does not work well with cherry profile alignments. In this case i want to suggest slightly different notation format. Since that novelty is truly for people who has some knowledge in chemistry, i think it will be easy for them to recognize the notation format.Show Image(https://i.imgur.com/zBziEuO.png)
Note that using a comma versus a dot for the decimal in the mass depends on country; both are correct. I'd say the best choice depends on the location of the majority of your target customers. See this Wikipedia entry (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Decimal_separator) for details including a map.
Post by: Atredl on Sun, 05 August 2018, 20:12:10
Ok it seems like you can use any notation for periodic table as long you provide some format description for it. But indeed there is only one unified standard notation which is used for current Carbon Element novelty.I’m a fan of the decimal mass. Its technically more accurate but I worry if it might look busy on the small keycap top as opposed to seeing it on our screens.
However the standard notation does not work well with cherry profile alignments. In this case i want to suggest slightly different notation format. Since that novelty is truly for people who has some knowledge in chemistry, i think it will be easy for them to recognize the notation format.Show Image(https://i.imgur.com/zBziEuO.png)
Using the simple 12 sounds like a good idea if it can be designed cleanly and still look balanced on the keycap.
Post by: thelaughingman on Mon, 06 August 2018, 08:12:14
Q4 is technically 3 weeks away....3-4 months away would put you into Q1 2019.
Q4 is 3 weeks away! MY GOD WHERE DID THE TIME GO??? CHRISTMAS IS JUST 2 MONTHS AWAY FROM NOW!!!
I want to apologize at this point for my lack of knowledge in fiscal year differences :( . I thought whole world has the same fiscal year definition. I am using german fiscal year. I've updated this info in the first page.
Q1 2018 -- January 1, 2018 to March 31, 2018
Q2 2018 -- April 1, 2018 to June 30, 2018
Q3 2018 -- July 1, 2018 to September 30, 2018
Q4 2018 -- October 1, 2018 to December 31, 2018
As you can see we are months away from possible drop. I dont think it will happen in October but rather Novemeber or even December. But those are my assumptions so take it with a grain of salt.
don't apologize man, it's common knowledge that each quarter is 3 months, with Q1 starting from January.
Post by: rioc on Mon, 06 August 2018, 08:16:05
Hey T0mb3ry, is this GB still a couple months out? It's been a rather expensive keyboard month with TX offering sales and Space Cadet....Either way, I'll make it work, but hoping for a small respite between buys.
I am always wondering why people do not read front page/first post. You miss quite a lot of information. For example a probable drop date which is Q4 2018. From now you got probably 3-4 months until possible GMK Carbon drop. Thus dont worry and join all those great drops/group buys ;)
Q4 is technically 3 weeks away....3-4 months away would put you into Q1 2019.
But thanks for the condescending answer anyways.
I want to apologize at this point for my lack of knowledge in fiscal year differences :( . I thought whole world has the same fiscal year definition. I am using german fiscal year. I've updated this info in the first page.
Q1 2018 -- January 1, 2018 to March 31, 2018
Q2 2018 -- April 1, 2018 to June 30, 2018
Q3 2018 -- July 1, 2018 to September 30, 2018
Q4 2018 -- October 1, 2018 to December 31, 2018
As you can see we are months away from possible drop. I dont think it will happen in October but rather Novemeber or even December. But those are my assumptions so take it with a grain of salt.
wait what? US Q4 starts in september? That doesn't make any sense at all... do you celebrate new year on Dec. 1st or what? :))
Post by: Atredl on Mon, 06 August 2018, 09:37:01
Ok it seems like you can use any notation for periodic table as long you provide some format description for it. But indeed there is only one unified standard notation which is used for current Carbon Element novelty.I’m a fan of the decimal mass. I also usually round it to 12 but I like the accuracy of including more numbers. As long as it’ll look clean on a keycap, my vote is for the longer number.
However the standard notation does not work well with cherry profile alignments. In this case i want to suggest slightly different notation format. Since that novelty is truly for people who has some knowledge in chemistry, i think it will be easy for them to recognize the notation format.Show Image(https://i.imgur.com/zBziEuO.png)
Post by: hineybush on Mon, 06 August 2018, 10:04:20
Post by: dvorcol on Mon, 06 August 2018, 12:24:05
If you don't use 12.0107 u ± 0.0008 u then i'm not buying it
Maybe there could be a special right SHIFT keycap just for you.
Post by: T0mb3ry on Mon, 06 August 2018, 14:17:01
If you don't use 12.0107 u ± 0.0008 u then i'm not buying it
Maybe there could be a special right SHIFT keycap just for you.
hineybush was pretty much clear he wants a 12.0107u key :p
Post by: hineybush on Mon, 06 August 2018, 14:25:15
If you don't use 12.0107 u ± 0.0008 u then i'm not buying it
Maybe there could be a special right SHIFT keycap just for you.
hineybush was pretty much clear he wants a 12.0107u key :p
(https://i.imgur.com/n1wRkOH.png)
Post by: dvorcol on Mon, 06 August 2018, 16:43:21
If you don't use 12.0107 u ± 0.0008 u then i'm not buying it
Maybe there could be a special right SHIFT keycap just for you.
hineybush was pretty much clear he wants a 12.0107u key :pShow Image(https://i.imgur.com/n1wRkOH.png)
Sorry, I missed the U. But looking at it anyway, ENTER is a great size if you wanted that legend.
(https://i.imgur.com/Qo60mDp.png)
Post by: T0mb3ry on Mon, 06 August 2018, 17:00:33
Sorry, I missed the U. But looking at it anyway, ENTER is a great size if you wanted that legend.Show Image(https://i.imgur.com/Qo60mDp.png)
I like this actually but i got already graphene enter for novelty. I would like to keep the periodic notation on the C key. Imo it gives one elegant and handsome touch ;)
Post by: dvorcol on Wed, 08 August 2018, 23:46:50
(https://i.imgur.com/aWTYay7.png)
Post by: dvorcol on Wed, 08 August 2018, 23:53:26
If you don't use 12.0107 u ± 0.0008 u then i'm not buying it
Maybe there could be a special right SHIFT keycap just for you.
hineybush was pretty much clear he wants a 12.0107u key :pShow Image(https://i.imgur.com/n1wRkOH.png)
hineybush, were you really requesting a huge spacebar at first? From Wikipedia (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unified_atomic_mass_unit): "The unified atomic mass unit or dalton (symbol: u, or Da) is a standard unit of mass that quantifies mass on an atomic or molecular scale (atomic mass). One unified atomic mass unit is approximately the mass of one nucleon (either a single proton or neutron) and is numerically equivalent to 1 g/mol."
Post by: Atredl on Wed, 08 August 2018, 23:56:08
Then, since the CAPS LOCK is often used for other purposes, how about a 1.75U periodic table C keycap?Show Image(https://i.imgur.com/aWTYay7.png)
I would like to keep the periodic notation on the C key. Imo it gives one elegant and handsome touch ;)
Post by: dvorcol on Thu, 09 August 2018, 00:09:34
Then, since the CAPS LOCK is often used for other purposes, how about a 1.75U periodic table C keycap?Show Image(https://i.imgur.com/aWTYay7.png)I would like to keep the periodic notation on the C key. Imo it gives one elegant and handsome touch ;)
Just voicing ideas, since that is one of the purposes of an [IC]. I love the 1U C and am using it on my SA Carbon keyboard. But since there are graphene keycaps for many different sizes/rows, I was thinking there could be a novelty C in addition to the base alpha C.
Post by: OracleKev on Thu, 09 August 2018, 01:01:14
Then, since the CAPS LOCK is often used for other purposes, how about a 1.75U periodic table C keycap?Show Image(https://i.imgur.com/aWTYay7.png)
Kinda like this. A lot of space to play with~
Post by: Water lee on Thu, 09 August 2018, 08:14:29
Post by: hineybush on Thu, 09 August 2018, 12:09:15
If you don't use 12.0107 u ± 0.0008 u then i'm not buying it
Maybe there could be a special right SHIFT keycap just for you.
hineybush was pretty much clear he wants a 12.0107u key :pShow Image(https://i.imgur.com/n1wRkOH.png)
hineybush, were you really requesting a huge spacebar at first? From Wikipedia (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unified_atomic_mass_unit): "The unified atomic mass unit or dalton (symbol: u, or Da) is a standard unit of mass that quantifies mass on an atomic or molecular scale (atomic mass). One unified atomic mass unit is approximately the mass of one nucleon (either a single proton or neutron) and is numerically equivalent to 1 g/mol."
it was all a joke, the u was copied directly from wikipedia or something lol. i didn't mean i wanted a 12ish-unit spacebar
Post by: T0mb3ry on Fri, 10 August 2018, 13:42:55
I could get a view on approximate pricing for GMK Carbon base set.
If we consider the very generous coverage of the base set and the vintage row factor, which will require new molds (exactly atleast two molds for each shot), the price is justified in my opinion. Ofcourse i will not be able to share it with you and the pricing is also not set in stone yet.
Anyway i decided to keep vintage rows.
Otherwise i got some updates for some kits.
Beezare and Boneyard alphas
- Added accent F Row keys for classic color schema.
(https://i.imgur.com/hhrdOVK.png)
(https://i.imgur.com/AqEwI6a.png)
Novelties
- Redesigned Carbon periodic table key in order to match Cherry style.
(https://i.imgur.com/NDpxHPU.png)
Post by: Marutks on Fri, 10 August 2018, 14:13:44
Post by: T0mb3ry on Fri, 10 August 2018, 14:30:28
when is this GB going to start?
Most probably November or December.
Post by: online on Fri, 10 August 2018, 14:45:31
Post by: T0mb3ry on Fri, 10 August 2018, 14:50:18
Is the grey mod use the same grey as GMK Oblivion?
Carbon and Oblivion do share same base color for mods. So if you got GMK Oblivion you can purchase Boneyard alphas and mix it with Oblivion mods in order to achieve monotone set but with mods legends in oblivion colors ;)
Post by: online on Fri, 10 August 2018, 14:54:51
awesome. count me in!Is the grey mod use the same grey as GMK Oblivion?
Carbon and Oblivion do share same base color for mods. So if you got GMK Oblivion you can purchase Boneyard alphas and mix it with Oblivion mods in order to achieve monotone set but with mods legends in oblivion colors ;)
Post by: T0mb3ry on Fri, 10 August 2018, 15:15:42
awesome. count me in!
Tho keep in mind this combo will not work on layouts with numpads like 100% or 1800. The reason for this is that all the alpha extensions (beezare and boneyard alphas) are designed to be combined with Carbon or Bone base sets and because of this they are using row 5 bottom row on numpad alphas.
Post by: dvorcol on Fri, 10 August 2018, 16:51:05
Post by: T0mb3ry on Fri, 10 August 2018, 17:14:04
Because of R5, is the profile of the numpad ENTER different from the numpad "+"? I ask because these two vertical keys have the same profile in SA. But are they different in GMK even if the bottom row is R4?
Exactly. The numpad enter and "+" keys (both 2u vertical) are different compared to SA profile. And there is more to it.
- In SA profile those keys has the same shape.
- In Cherry profile they are different. Also there is a difference between numpad enters on cherry profile, depending on the bottom row. There is an vintage (row 4 to row 5) numpad enter and there is an 'modern' (row 4 to row 4) numpad enter. That explains why kits like Round 1 Upgrade kit or Xtra 4.0 kit include their specific numpad enter keys.
Post by: dvorcol on Fri, 10 August 2018, 20:29:17
Because of R5, is the profile of the numpad ENTER different from the numpad "+"? I ask because these two vertical keys have the same profile in SA. But are they different in GMK even if the bottom row is R4?
Exactly. The numpad enter and "+" keys (both 2u vertical) are different compared to SA profile. And there is more to it.
- In SA profile those keys has the same shape.
- In Cherry profile they are different. Also there is a difference between numpad enters on cherry profile, depending on the bottom row. There is an vintage (row 4 to row 5) numpad enter and there is an 'modern' (row 4 to row 4) numpad enter. That explains why kits like Round 1 Upgrade kit or Xtra 4.0 kit include their specific numpad enter keys.
Thanks for the detailed explanation. In most layout renders, these 2U vertical keycaps have two different row labels so I am never sure what profile they actually have. Same with the vertical keycaps in ErgoDox kits.
Oh, one more question: In SA profile, are these vertical 2U keycaps R3?
Post by: T0mb3ry on Sat, 11 August 2018, 02:12:27
Oh, one more question: In SA profile, are these vertical 2U keycaps R3?
Yes, in SA Profile the vertical numpad keys are 2U Row 3 keys.
Post by: thelaughingman on Sat, 11 August 2018, 04:33:04
Update
I could get a view on approximate pricing for GMK Carbon base set.
If we consider the very generous coverage of the base set and the vintage row factor, which will require new molds (exactly atleast two molds for each shot), the price is justified in my opinion. Ofcourse i will not be able to share it with you and the pricing is also not set in stone yet.
Anyway i decided to keep vintage rows.
Otherwise i got some updates for some kits.
Beezare and Boneyard alphas
- Added accent F Row keys for classic color schema.Show Image(https://i.imgur.com/hhrdOVK.png)Show Image(https://i.imgur.com/AqEwI6a.png)
Novelties
- Redesigned Carbon periodic table key in order to match Cherry style.Show Image(https://i.imgur.com/NDpxHPU.png)
thank you sweet lord! :thumb:
Post by: silversung on Sat, 11 August 2018, 09:15:16
Question is, which set do I go for? Preferably all of them, I think...
Post by: polarsolar on Sat, 11 August 2018, 10:45:15
Love the new carbon periodic table novelty. Is there going to be a R2 version in the DC kit?
Post by: coffeeshopcoder on Sat, 11 August 2018, 13:11:05
This is awesome!!! Now I need to get those boneyard alphas as wellIs the grey mod use the same grey as GMK Oblivion?
Carbon and Oblivion do share same base color for mods. So if you got GMK Oblivion you can purchase Boneyard alphas and mix it with Oblivion mods in order to achieve monotone set but with mods legends in oblivion colors ;)
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Post by: Cas on Sun, 12 August 2018, 03:56:45
Post by: oldcat on Sun, 12 August 2018, 12:30:26
This is awesome!!! Now I need to get those boneyard alphas as wellIs the grey mod use the same grey as GMK Oblivion?
Carbon and Oblivion do share same base color for mods. So if you got GMK Oblivion you can purchase Boneyard alphas and mix it with Oblivion mods in order to achieve monotone set but with mods legends in oblivion colors ;)
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all kits, all kits
Post by: T0mb3ry on Sun, 12 August 2018, 12:33:30
Have you decided if there will be os keys, win and Mac?
Carbon has already too many kits for an GMK keyset, so i discarded that idea.
Love the new carbon periodic table novelty. Is there going to be a R2 version in the DC kit?
In SP SA Carbon R2 i offered those keys for DC Kit too. I do not promise but i'll look into it.
Post by: T0mb3ry on Mon, 13 August 2018, 12:13:39
DC kit
- Added Carbon periodic table novelty.
(https://i.imgur.com/AF5jkHC.png)
Post by: coffeeshopcoder on Tue, 14 August 2018, 13:36:21
Have you decided if there will be os keys, win and Mac?
Carbon has already too many kits for an GMK keyset, so i discarded that idea.
Would you consider adding a Mac command opt keys to the bone icon extension ? Or perhaps even going full micons (assuming mito gives his thumbs up) for the bone icon extension ?
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Post by: T0mb3ry on Tue, 14 August 2018, 14:24:38
Bone base kit
- Added orange accent keys.
(https://i.imgur.com/GV8oUXW.png)
Ivory mods
- Removed exotic keys like windowed keys etc. in order to bring it on pair with modifiers offered in other kits. If i do not offer a kit for exotic keys (like windowed keys) for base sets then there is no sense to offer it in ivory mods since it makes it only more expensive.
(https://i.imgur.com/ZUGqFhJ.png)
Would you consider adding a Mac command opt keys to the bone icon extension ? Or perhaps even going full micons (assuming mito gives his thumbs up) for the bone icon extension ?
If i would treat MAC OS in special way then i need to treat other OS in the same way. Say i need then to add other OS specific keys for XY Operating Systems. The kits are already enormous and i dont want to add any niche keys.
Regarding Micons, i do have already to many kits for a GMK set and i dont have any plans right now for more kits.
Post by: Poesjuh on Tue, 14 August 2018, 14:26:08
Update
Bone base kit
- Added orange accent keys.Show Image(https://i.imgur.com/GV8oUXW.png)
Ivory mods
- Removed exotic keys like windowed keys etc. in order to bring it on pair with modifiers offered in other kits. If i do not offer a kit for exotic keys (like windowed keys) for base sets then there is no sense to offer it in ivory mods since it makes it only more expensive.Show Image(https://i.imgur.com/ZUGqFhJ.png)Would you consider adding a Mac command opt keys to the bone icon extension ? Or perhaps even going full micons (assuming mito gives his thumbs up) for the bone icon extension ?
If i would treat MAC OS in special way then i need to treat other OS in the same way. Say i need then to add other OS specific keys for XY Operating Systems. The kits are already enormous and i dont want to add any niche keys.
Regarding Micons, i do have already to many kits for a GMK set and i dont have any plans right now for more kits.
WOOOOEEEEEEHHH Orange accents! Let's GOOOOOOOOOOOOO.
ps; orange arrows no? :P
Post by: T0mb3ry on Tue, 14 August 2018, 14:31:59
ps; orange arrows no? :P
Ooooooh maybe? I'll look into it, becuase Carbon base has accent arrows too.
Post by: Poesjuh on Tue, 14 August 2018, 15:21:46
I know I know. I’ll forgive you if you don’t add it ;) I’m already really excited because of the R0-5, the accent keys make it even better now!ps; orange arrows no? :P
Ooooooh maybe? I'll look into it, becuase Carbon base has accent arrows too.
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Post by: T0mb3ry on Tue, 14 August 2018, 16:08:48
Bone base kit
- Added orange accent arrows.
(https://i.imgur.com/1E8HadP.png)
I know I know. I’ll forgive you if you don’t add it ;) I’m already really excited because of the R0-5, the accent keys make it even better now!;)
Post by: Poesjuh on Tue, 14 August 2018, 16:11:41
Update(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20180814/5cd2e88b732c49d8d8a1931f7bb258a3.jpeg)
Bone base kit
- Added orange accent arrows.Show Image(https://i.imgur.com/1E8HadP.png)I know I know. I’ll forgive you if you don’t add it ;) I’m already really excited because of the R0-5, the accent keys make it even better now!;)
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Post by: T0mb3ry on Tue, 14 August 2018, 16:22:36
Post by: thelaughingman on Tue, 14 August 2018, 18:43:36
Post by: fouras on Wed, 15 August 2018, 02:38:32
Post by: T0mb3ry on Wed, 15 August 2018, 04:43:07
This might have been deliberate, but you're missing a scooped 5 cap for the numpad in all applicable kits and barred Fs and Js in the Beezarre and Boneyard kits.
Good catch. I will add these missing keys in the next update.
Post by: polarsolar on Wed, 15 August 2018, 09:05:31
DC kit
- Added Carbon periodic table novelty.Show Image(https://i.imgur.com/AF5jkHC.png)
Great, thanks! :thumb:
Post by: T0mb3ry on Wed, 15 August 2018, 10:07:25
Carbon base kit
- Added scooped homing numpad key.
(https://i.imgur.com/Iwr9y8m.png)
Bone base kit
- Added scooped homing numpad key.
- Removed for classic color scheme obsolete accent function keys. They have been moved to Boneyard alphas in previous update.
(https://i.imgur.com/O9Btqe1.png)
Beezarre alphas
- Added bared homing keys for alphas and scooped homing key for numpad.
(https://i.imgur.com/gCWNCXE.png)
Boneyard alphas
- Added bared homing keys for alphas and scooped homing key for numpad.
(https://i.imgur.com/AzuPQCe.png)
Rolling bones
- Added scooped homing key for numpad.
(https://i.imgur.com/WeVTUL9.png)
Post by: petamva on Wed, 15 August 2018, 10:33:07
Post by: petamva on Wed, 15 August 2018, 10:43:40
Post by: fouras on Wed, 15 August 2018, 12:23:24
And, I think a R5 Fn cap is missing from the ivory mods kit. There's one in both base kits but not it.
Boneyard alphas
- Added bared homing keys for alphas and scooped homing key for numpad.
Unfortunately, there's two scooped Fs and Js now.
Post by: T0mb3ry on Wed, 15 August 2018, 12:42:27
For the space kit, could you add another three 1u caps so ortho users not buying the ergoplanck kit don't need two copies?Thats possible. Will add in the next update.
And, I think a R5 Fn cap is missing from the ivory mods kit. There's one in both base kits but not it.Dang thats right. That key is missing too.
Unfortunately, there's two scooped Fs and Js now.Can you mark which keys are doubled? Right now i see only F and J keys scooped showed together with alphas and barred F and J (note the bar) keys showed on the bottom.
Post by: fouras on Wed, 15 August 2018, 12:52:05
Can you mark which keys are doubled? Right now i see only F and J keys scooped showed together with alphas and barred F and J (note the bar) keys showed on the bottom.(https://i.imgur.com/cSogLwf.jpg)
Post by: T0mb3ry on Wed, 15 August 2018, 12:57:05
Can you mark which keys are doubled? Right now i see only F and J keys scooped showed together with alphas and barred F and J (note the bar) keys showed on the bottom.Show Image(https://i.imgur.com/cSogLwf.jpg)
Oops forgot to remove those hahaha. Another good catch.
Btw. i've noted Ivory mods are missing non stepped caps lock...
Post by: T0mb3ry on Wed, 15 August 2018, 13:07:47
Boneyard alphas
- Mockup has been fixed.
(https://i.imgur.com/whWIJwp.png)
Ivory mods
- Added missing R5 Fn key and non stepped caps lock keys.
(https://i.imgur.com/OzRscTO.png)
Space keys
- Added additional 1u spacebars for grid planck support.
(https://i.imgur.com/iEAyHoM.png)
Post by: dvorcol on Wed, 15 August 2018, 14:48:52
Can you mark which keys are doubled? Right now i see only F and J keys scooped showed together with alphas and barred F and J (note the bar) keys showed on the bottom.Show Image(https://i.imgur.com/cSogLwf.jpg)
Oops forgot to remove those hahaha. Another good catch.
Btw. i've noted Ivory mods are missing non stepped caps lock...
So the default F, J, and 5 are the same profile as the rest of the R3 alphas (not scooped), and there are also barred homing keycaps for these three?
Post by: T0mb3ry on Wed, 15 August 2018, 15:44:15
So the default F, J, and 5 are the same profile as the rest of the R3 alphas (not scooped), and there are also barred homing keycaps for these three?
Nope if you dont see a bar on a homing key its scooped.
Post by: dvorcol on Thu, 16 August 2018, 22:17:56
So the default F, J, and 5 are the same profile as the rest of the R3 alphas (not scooped), and there are also barred homing keycaps for these three?
Nope if you dont see a bar on a homing key its scooped.
So you must use homing keycaps, the only choice is scooped or barred?
Post by: T0mb3ry on Fri, 17 August 2018, 04:58:26
So the default F, J, and 5 are the same profile as the rest of the R3 alphas (not scooped), and there are also barred homing keycaps for these three?
Nope if you dont see a bar on a homing key its scooped.
So you must use homing keycaps, the only choice is scooped or barred?
No there is no must. Ofcourse you can make homing keys non scooped and without bars or nipples. Just like any other regular key. But i never offered such homing keys and i dont have plans to do so.
Anyway homing keys on my mockups are scooped per default if they dont show any visible bar. For the drop the kits will be rendered and scooped homing keys will be visible.
Post by: Kawamashi on Sat, 18 August 2018, 08:33:55
Post by: T0mb3ry on Sat, 18 August 2018, 09:59:01
Would it be possible to have legends on the mods of the Ergoplank kit, like Space Cadet for example ? It would be awesome !
Thats possible but in that case i will remove all the accent keys and convext keys (still they will be purchasable in space kit) from ergoplanck keys in order to keep the pricing low.
Post by: Kawamashi on Sat, 18 August 2018, 13:50:15
For me it's OK, I'm almost 100% sure to order a Ergoplanck kit anyway, but mods with legends will be better IMHO, even if I have to add a space kit to get the ultimate ergodox set.
Post by: T0mb3ry on Sat, 18 August 2018, 14:42:23
I'm pretty new in this domain. Just to be sure, are the accent keys of this set the 6 2u keys with carbon motives ?
For me it's OK, I'm almost 100% sure to order a Ergoplanck kit anyway, but mods with legends will be better IMHO, even if I have to add a space kit to get the ultimate ergodox set.
The 6 2u keys with Carbon motive (those key do display graphene plane) will stay. I will remove all the convex keys (r4c) from the kit. Ofc. for planck the 2u and two 1u spacebars in beige will stay too.
Anyway i am interested in using assembly instructions as key labels, so i will look into it ;)
Post by: oldcat on Mon, 20 August 2018, 16:50:12
I'm pretty new in this domain. Just to be sure, are the accent keys of this set the 6 2u keys with carbon motives ?
For me it's OK, I'm almost 100% sure to order a Ergoplanck kit anyway, but mods with legends will be better IMHO, even if I have to add a space kit to get the ultimate ergodox set.
The 6 2u keys with Carbon motive (those key do display graphene plane) will stay. I will remove all the convex keys (r4c) from the kit. Ofc. for planck the 2u and two 1u spacebars in beige will stay too.
Anyway i am interested in using assembly instructions as key labels, so i will look into it ;)
Nice! Can't wait.
Post by: T0mb3ry on Tue, 21 August 2018, 05:07:03
Ergoplanck kit
- The kit has been reworked from blank to assembly instruction like in GMK Space Cadet.
(https://i.imgur.com/23sUfap.png)
Novelkeys x T0mb3ry Deskmats
- Deskmats has been reworked (especially gradients) in order to meet printing requirements. Following pictures are just snapshots of the print files which are saved in CMYK color mode.
(https://i.imgur.com/BlUK8TY.png)
(https://i.imgur.com/W9xxEhF.png)
Post by: fn on Tue, 21 August 2018, 06:49:59
- Ergoplanck
- Xtra 4.0 - I want the arrows and the R4 1u modifier keys, (I prefer them to the 'assembly' style keys)
- Novelties
- Lambda kit
Just a few requests (in descending priority):
- could the ergoplanck get a quote key ," in the dark with orange text
- would R3 Esc's be possible for the Xtra 4.0s kit
- would R2 1u Tab be possible for the Xtra 4.0s kit
- could the Xtra 4.0s kit include R4 1u code/hyper/meta
Many thanks, looking to purchasing this :thumb:
Post by: T0mb3ry on Tue, 21 August 2018, 07:55:13
Just a few requests (in descending priority):
- could the ergoplanck get a quote key ," in the dark with orange text
- would R3 Esc's be possible for the Xtra 4.0s kit
- would R2 1u Tab be possible for the Xtra 4.0s kit
- could the Xtra 4.0s kit include R4 1u code/hyper/meta
In my opinion the R3 1u escape keys and ("/') keys do belong to ergoplanck kit. Other 40% stagered layouts can not utilize those keys. Basically all the keys you suggested do belong into ergoplank kit. Precisely these keys are from plancks default layout.
The real purpose of those assembly instructions on modifiers is to act as any key and give a key a non keyboard related but geekyish/nerdish (in a positive way) label. So the modifiers dont have any layout basicaly and everyone is free to create the layout he/she/it wants. If i add the keys you request the real purpose of those assembly instructions mods is missed and it would make sense to change whole Ergoplanck kit to the default layouts of planck and ergodox...
Post by: Kawamashi on Tue, 21 August 2018, 08:43:16
The 6 2u keys with Carbon motive (those key do display graphene plane) will stay. I will remove all the convex keys (r4c) from the kit. Ofc. for planck the 2u and two 1u spacebars in beige will stay too.
Anyway i am interested in using assembly instructions as key labels, so i will look into it ;)
Thank you, I've learnt something.
Update
Ergoplanck kit
- The kit has been reworked from blank to assembly instruction like in GMK Space Cadet.
OMG
(http://www.artofboardgaming.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/07/take-my-money.jpg)
The deskmats look also great !
Post by: T0mb3ry on Tue, 21 August 2018, 08:48:34
VOTE HERE FOR DEFAULT ERGOPLANCK LAYOUT (https://www.strawpoll.me/16309773)
Post by: jacobavenkraft on Tue, 21 August 2018, 13:23:48
I'm not sure about other Planck users, but I have found that many base GMK kits could cover my Planck layout perfectly if only it had about 4-5 more 1u keys (i.e. an R4 1u Shift, an R2 1u Tab, and R3 1u escape, and maybe an R4 1u Enter or additional shift). I have seen some base GMK kits that already have a 1u backspace for R1 and they all include a 1u Delete for R2. But being a Planck user, I'm getting used to the idea that I should be ready to accept some keycap "vomit" when it comes to legends provided I can outfit a keyboard with the default colorway of the set.
Post by: T0mb3ry on Tue, 21 August 2018, 14:16:23
Your current design for ErgoPlanck layout has the bottom R4 rows of the Ergo and the Planck duplicated (i.e. they have the same exact 1u keys with the same legends). You could instead produce one R4 row with assembly legends and another R4 row with standard default legends (Ctrl, Alt, Super, Code, Meta, etc.). That would be a start in allowing the kit to cover both kinds of users as well as those who don't mind mixing functional legends with "any key" legends. I'm not sure how you might choose to handle R2 and R3 rows since the Ergo and Planck modifiers in those positions have different key widths.
I'm not sure about other Planck users, but I have found that many base GMK kits could cover my Planck layout perfectly if only it had about 4-5 more 1u keys (i.e. an R4 1u Shift, an R2 1u Tab, and R3 1u escape, and maybe an R4 1u Enter or additional shift). I have seen some base GMK kits that already have a 1u backspace for R1 and they all include a 1u Delete for R2. But being a Planck user, I'm getting used to the idea that I should be ready to accept some keycap "vomit" when it comes to legends provided I can outfit a keyboard with the default colorway of the set.
Indeed the bottom row is duplicated. Thus good catch and good suggestion. I'll look into (tho not promise) making the planck bottom row with ctrl, alt, fn, etc. keys. Probably also worded arrows. For other rows its not possible. They need to be any key or strictly default layout. But the poll will show the direction.
VOTE HERE FOR DEFAULT ERGOPLANCK LAYOUT (https://www.strawpoll.me/16309773)
Post by: jacobavenkraft on Tue, 21 August 2018, 14:32:24
Indeed the bottom row is duplicated. Thus good catch and good suggestion. I'll look into (tho not promise) making the planck bottom row with ctrl, alt, fn, etc. keys. Probably also worded arrows. For other rows its not possible. They need to be any key or strictly default layout. But the poll will show the direction.
VOTE HERE FOR DEFAULT ERGOPLANCK LAYOUT (https://www.strawpoll.me/16309773)
Thanks for looking into it. I know everyone likes different layouts and different keycap designers have their own priorities, but it would be cool to have the option for either type of bottom row. I understand that keys for other rows would be too much to add to this kit. I'm just glad that quite a few of the designers are at least going with some type of text mods for Planck and Ergo instead of just blanks. IMHO with blanks you lose some of the charm of the colorway because your mods don't have the double-shot accent color.
Post by: fn on Tue, 21 August 2018, 15:13:02
Just a few requests (in descending priority):
- could the ergoplanck get a quote key ," in the dark with orange text
- would R3 Esc's be possible for the Xtra 4.0s kit
- would R2 1u Tab be possible for the Xtra 4.0s kit
- could the Xtra 4.0s kit include R4 1u code/hyper/meta
In my opinion the R3 1u escape keys and ("/') keys do belong to ergoplanck kit. Other 40% stagered layouts can not utilize those keys. Basically all the keys you suggested do belong into ergoplank kit. Precisely these keys are from plancks default layout.
The real purpose of those assembly instructions on modifiers is to act as any key and give a key a non keyboard related but geekyish/nerdish (in a positive way) label. So the modifiers dont have any layout basicaly and everyone is free to create the layout he/she/it wants. If i add the keys you request the real purpose of those assembly instructions mods is missed and it would make sense to change whole Ergoplanck kit to the default layouts of planck and ergodox...
Thanks for having a look at this and the great response. The kit will be amazing anyway, there are so many options with the novelties but I have voted. Really looking forward to my first GMK set :cool:
Post by: shammy1260 on Tue, 21 August 2018, 18:54:09
Post by: Kawamashi on Wed, 22 August 2018, 07:55:10
I'm just glad that quite a few of the designers are at least going with some type of text mods for Planck and Ergo instead of just blanks. IMHO with blanks you lose some of the charm of the colorway because your mods don't have the double-shot accent color.I completely agree with you !!!
Post by: T0mb3ry on Thu, 23 August 2018, 06:44:47
Ergoplanck kit
- Added planck standard bottom row keys. Those might be also usefull for ergodox.
(https://i.imgur.com/NDM1qRn.png)
Space kit
- Added addtional 2u spacebars for Ergodox (and probably other unusual layouts) in each color.
(https://i.imgur.com/GcCkoCA.png)
Post by: wangledorf on Thu, 23 August 2018, 08:42:00
Update
Ergoplanck kit
- Added planck standard bottom
Space kit
- Added addtional 2u spacebars for Ergodox (and probably other unusual layouts) in each color
I’m really digging the updates to the ergoplanck kit!
I’m sad it isn’t available in the boneyard colorway but understand it’s probably hard enough to hit MOQ for one colorway let alone two. That said, since boneyard alphas are already available In their own kit, how feasible would it be to have a set with just the ergoplanck mods in boneyard colors without alphas?
Post by: T0mb3ry on Thu, 23 August 2018, 09:03:00
That said, since boneyard alphas are already available In their own kit, how feasible would it be to have a set with just the ergoplanck mods in boneyard colors without alphas?
Sorry i want to keep it as a base set on its own. Beige alphas are the standard. The boneyard alphas is an extension.
Post by: wangledorf on Thu, 23 August 2018, 10:23:39
That said, since boneyard alphas are already available In their own kit, how feasible would it be to have a set with just the ergoplanck mods in boneyard colors without alphas?
Sorry i want to keep it as a base set on its own. Beige alphas are the standard. The boneyard alphas is an extension.
Just to be clear, I don't mean change the base set. What I'm proposing is to add an additional extension set like this:
(https://image.ibb.co/jNQ8Se/Boneyard_Ergoplanck.png)
Excuse my crappy MS Paint render :) I understand if supporting both a base and extension kit for Ergoplanck is too much, I just really love the boneyard colorway.
Post by: T0mb3ry on Thu, 23 August 2018, 10:43:01
That said, since boneyard alphas are already available In their own kit, how feasible would it be to have a set with just the ergoplanck mods in boneyard colors without alphas?
Sorry i want to keep it as a base set on its own. Beige alphas are the standard. The boneyard alphas is an extension.
Just to be clear, I don't mean change the base set. What I'm proposing is to add an additional extension set like this:Show Image(https://image.ibb.co/jNQ8Se/Boneyard_Ergoplanck.png)
Excuse my crappy MS Paint render :) I understand if supporting both a base and extension kit for Ergoplanck is too much, I just really love the boneyard colorway.
I understand. But i dont want to introduce additional kits since there are already too many kits. Also the boneyard alphas are optional and they will stay optional as an extension.
Post by: wangledorf on Thu, 23 August 2018, 10:48:45
I understand. But i dont want to introduce additional kits since there are already too many kits. Also the boneyard alphas are optional and they will stay optional as an extension.
Ok, no problem! No harm in asking :thumb:
Post by: Kawamashi on Thu, 23 August 2018, 12:33:23
Update
Ergoplanck kit
- Added planck standard bottom row keys. Those might be also usefull for ergodox.
Space kit
- Added addtional 2u spacebars for Ergodox (and probably other unusual layouts) in each color.
(https://investorshub.advfn.com/uimage/uploads/2009/7/4/cihujYouDaManJesus.jpg)
Post by: fn on Thu, 23 August 2018, 15:49:45
Update
Ergoplanck kit
- Added planck standard bottom row keys. Those might be also usefull for ergodox.
Space kit
- Added addtional 2u spacebars for Ergodox (and probably other unusual layouts) in each color.
this is awesome. :eek:
Post by: yinzer on Thu, 23 August 2018, 17:13:40
I missed the discussion about changing the ergoplank kit. It happened pretty quickly. I know that you just changed the kit, but I'd recommend reconsidering.
While the Space Cadet Assembly kit might be appealing to some, it does not appear to be on track to hit MOQ. Without a lot of help from vendors, it's not certain that the kit will be made. It's disappointing for sure. But I'd say that it's a red flag for this kind of kit. Even if Carbon R2 is expected to be an overall more popular buy, this a kit set up in this way may still under-perform, even if it ultimately hits MOQ.
I actually dropped by this thread to offer a different suggestion: drop the alphas from the ergoplank kit. Serika and Space Cadet, the first two GMK GBs to attempt this all-in-one kit have had those kits really under-perform. Serika, a drop with about 1,000 purchases, didn't even sell 30 of dox kits. Which is again, hugely disappointing. That kit was even cheaper than Space Cadet's.
Blanks are better than no kit at all, they're cheap, they sell pretty consistently. Or keep the Assembly text (or look at Nautilus) if you're determined to do something different from Carbon R1 .. though, you think people would actually support Assembly if that's something they really want. :'(
My suspicion is that there are just not enough people that want to buy into a GMK set to exclusively buy caps for a non-standard keyboard like the ergodox. While it is considerate to try and have people to pay as little as possible by including alphas, ultimately, it just hasn't come close to working yet. (fingers crossed that Space Cadet will prove me wrong)
Consider that there are two alternate-color alphas sets. You do not have to buy the base set to completely cover a planck or an ergodox. If you're determined to have the original colors, then you buy the base set and down the road, it will be more useful if you want to put it on a different board or sell it.
Post by: T0mb3ry on Thu, 23 August 2018, 18:20:19
Going to go in the opposite direction here.
I missed the discussion about changing the ergoplank kit. It happened pretty quickly. I know that you just changed the kit, but I'd recommend reconsidering.
While the Space Cadet Assembly kit might be appealing to some, it does not appear to be on track to hit MOQ. Without a lot of help from vendors, it's not certain that the kit will be made. It's disappointing for sure. But I'd say that it's a red flag for this kind of kit. Even if Carbon R2 is expected to be an overall more popular buy, this a kit set up in this way may still under-perform, even if it ultimately hits MOQ.
I actually dropped by this thread to offer a different suggestion: drop the alphas from the ergoplank kit. Serika and Space Cadet, the first two GMK GBs to attempt this all-in-one kit have had those kits really under-perform. Serika, a drop with about 1,000 purchases, didn't even sell 30 of dox kits. Which is again, hugely disappointing. That kit was even cheaper than Space Cadet's.
Blanks are better than no kit at all, they're cheap, they sell pretty consistently. Or keep the Assembly text (or look at Nautilus) if you're determined to do something different from Carbon R1 .. though, you think people would actually support Assembly if that's something they really want. :'(
My suspicion is that there are just not enough people that want to buy into a GMK set to exclusively buy caps for a non-standard keyboard like the ergodox. While it is considerate to try and have people to pay as little as possible by including alphas, ultimately, it just hasn't come close to working yet. (fingers crossed that Space Cadet will prove me wrong)
Consider that there are two alternate-color alphas sets. You do not have to buy the base set to completely cover a planck or an ergodox. If you're determined to have the original colors, then you buy the base set and down the road, it will be more useful if you want to put it on a different board or sell it.
I will definitely keep the assembly instructions as labels. Also this Ergoplanck kit is not comparable with Space Cadet kit which includes only Ergodox.
One very important note tho. Carbon is the main keyset and not the Bones. Bones is an extra set with few extensions. Thus exotic layouts like (40%, ergodox, etc.) or other layouts will be done in Carbon colorway and not Bones.
If i remove the alphas then it becomes extension kit. In that case i will merge it with Xtra 4.0 kit. Its the Xtra 4.0 kit which bothers me most. I heavily consider to remove row 4 bottom rows. Using an row 5 bottom row is not an issue if used with a wristrest. In that constelation it would make more sense to meet the MOQ. But this is not set in stone yet.
Post by: bobdenard on Fri, 24 August 2018, 03:58:13
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Post by: T0mb3ry on Fri, 24 August 2018, 04:12:23
Are 3u space bars a possibility? I like this kind of split spacebar like on the Z70 pro.
Right now its not possible to introduce 3u spacebars.
Post by: wangledorf on Fri, 24 August 2018, 15:29:34
Going to go in the opposite direction here.
...
I completely agree with this sentiment. As a person who uses less common layouts such as Iris, Atreus62, and now my own custom keyboards (Speedo & Ergo87), I usually purchase the base set and the ortho extension set to make sure I can cover any of my boards. There's no way I can stomach purchasing a base set along with an ortho kit that is $100+ on it's own due to containing the same alphas.
I passed on Space Cadet for this exact reason but likely would have joined if the ortho kit was cheaper and didn't contain its own alphas.
Post by: Tordp on Fri, 24 August 2018, 16:13:36
Post by: T0mb3ry on Sat, 25 August 2018, 03:52:14
(https://i.imgur.com/pRbvQl9.png)
If this keyset will have GMK R0 and R5 I'm going to buy all the kits. I don't care if I need them or not.
The R0 and R5 are the features/highlights of GMK Carbon R2
Post by: Poesjuh on Sat, 25 August 2018, 05:38:37
Difficult to answer question, but do you think the grey space cadet alpha’s will match nicely with the Ivory Mods from this?
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Post by: befbef on Sat, 25 August 2018, 06:44:01
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@T0mb3ry
Difficult to answer question, but do you think the grey space cadet alpha’s will match nicely with the Ivory Mods from this?
You asked for it, gehtto renders incoming:
(https://imgur.com/J7cWrT5)
ivory - space grey
(https://imgur.com/lMQDGE0)
ivory - ivory
(https://imgur.com/x2ici76)
ivory - space blue
(https://imgur.com/KOXoFIo)
space - ivory
(https://imgur.com/OLhtOUv)
ivory - burgundy
EDIT: Why don't the pictures show up?
Here's a gallery link: https://imgur.com/a/oIG8WZn
Post by: thelaughingman on Sat, 25 August 2018, 07:02:33
@T0mb3ry
Difficult to answer question, but do you think the grey space cadet alpha’s will match nicely with the Ivory Mods from this?
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sssssssssshhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh! don't spoil my plan mate!
Post by: MikeTheTiger on Sat, 25 August 2018, 09:55:55
Are 3u space bars a possibility? I like this kind of split spacebar like on the Z70 pro.
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The best time to bring that up is during an interest check. Lol ;)
Post by: wangledorf on Sat, 25 August 2018, 10:39:35
I am looking into replacing the Ergoplanck base kit and Xtra 4.0 kit with Assembly kit. There is very high chance i will do it.Show Image(https://i.imgur.com/pRbvQl9.png)
Nice, I will definitely pick up this set if you do. :)
Post by: T0mb3ry on Sun, 26 August 2018, 04:50:26
- Ergoplanck kit and Xtra 4.0 kit has been removed and replaced by Assembly kit.
Assembly kit
- New kit which combines Planck, Ergodox and other 40% layouts and acts as an extension. Say it has no alphas and thus you can combine it with the alphas from one of the base sets or the alpha extensions (Beezarre or Boneyard). Ofcourse you can combine it with alphas from other sets.
For example GMK Space Cadet (https://www.massdrop.com/buy/massdrop-x-oblotzky-gmk-space-cadet-keycap-set?mode=guest_open) which offers also one alpha extension.
Anyway the main reason for this kit is to make it reach the MOQ, since these layouts do always struggle even in very succesful keyset designs. Also because of this reason i cant offer you this kit in Bone colorway.
(https://i.imgur.com/pRbvQl9.png)
Post by: oldcat on Sun, 26 August 2018, 19:49:49
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Post by: T0mb3ry on Wed, 29 August 2018, 16:25:06
(https://i.imgur.com/XJzbVWG.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/IFmSUDi.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/w7vOxxS.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/wegSCpB.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/7XUdzSS.jpg)
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Post by: oldcat on Wed, 29 August 2018, 16:27:56
Got picture of new deskmats. They look way better now.Show Image(https://i.imgur.com/XJzbVWG.jpg)Show Image(https://i.imgur.com/IFmSUDi.jpg)Show Image(https://i.imgur.com/w7vOxxS.jpg)Show Image(https://i.imgur.com/wegSCpB.jpg)Show Image(https://i.imgur.com/7XUdzSS.jpg)Show Image(https://i.imgur.com/inrTtnv.jpg)
Hey boss, are we expecting a matt GB soon? Massdrop?
Post by: LightningXI on Wed, 29 August 2018, 16:30:00
Got picture of new deskmats. They look way better now.Show Image(https://i.imgur.com/XJzbVWG.jpg)Show Image(https://i.imgur.com/IFmSUDi.jpg)Show Image(https://i.imgur.com/w7vOxxS.jpg)Show Image(https://i.imgur.com/wegSCpB.jpg)Show Image(https://i.imgur.com/7XUdzSS.jpg)Show Image(https://i.imgur.com/inrTtnv.jpg)
Yup. Way better. I'd get the orange one.
Post by: dorf on Wed, 29 August 2018, 16:31:27
Got picture of new deskmats. They look way better now.Show Image(https://i.imgur.com/XJzbVWG.jpg)Show Image(https://i.imgur.com/IFmSUDi.jpg)Show Image(https://i.imgur.com/w7vOxxS.jpg)Show Image(https://i.imgur.com/wegSCpB.jpg)Show Image(https://i.imgur.com/7XUdzSS.jpg)Show Image(https://i.imgur.com/inrTtnv.jpg)
I need dat orange nauw!
Post by: T0mb3ry on Wed, 29 August 2018, 16:42:26
Hey boss, are we expecting a matt GB soon? Massdrop?
The mats will be sold on Massdrop and this will be time limited (drop duration) offer. When it will drop? I don't know honestly. I need to see the mats in person to give an approval. I think after that the drop for this may happen any time.
Post by: Idragonist on Wed, 29 August 2018, 16:56:39
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Post by: T0mb3ry on Sat, 01 September 2018, 16:02:24
Please no R5. It´s really bad and only a few people appreciate it. Or could you at least offer one of the sets without it?
Few is not correct. There are many people who are excited about it. And overall there are far less people who care about which bottom row it is.
Otherwise R0 and R5 are the feature of GMK Carbon R2 and i will keep it. Personally i don't see any chance for row 4 kit because as i said there are not many people who care about bottom row profile.
I suggest to use a wristrest with row 5, which should be used anyway if health is a matter. With a wristrest you will not get in touch with the bottom row regardless if its row 4 or row 5.
Post by: Zuology on Sat, 01 September 2018, 16:45:19
Please no R5. It´s really bad and only a few people appreciate it. Or could you at least offer one of the sets without it?
Few is not correct. There are many people who are excited about it. And overall there are far less people who care about which bottom row it is.
Otherwise R0 and R5 are the feature of GMK Carbon R2 and i will keep it. Personally i don't see any chance for row 4 kit because as i said there are not many people who care about bottom row profile.
I suggest to use a wristrest with row 5, which should be used anyway if health is a matter. With a wristrest you will not get in touch with the bottom row regardless if its row 4 or row 5.
I for one welcome R0/R5, as there is the previous round of GMK Carbon with the more common row profile setup already.
Post by: KaosJ on Sat, 01 September 2018, 17:08:35
Very soon, soon or soontm?
Post by: thelaughingman on Sat, 01 September 2018, 20:36:07
Please no R5. It´s really bad and only a few people appreciate it. Or could you at least offer one of the sets without it?
go buy Carbon R1 on mechmarket then. R5 is here to stay ;D
Post by: T0mb3ry on Sun, 02 September 2018, 02:57:40
Soooooo... as someone who likes to buy and doesn't like reading, what's the current situation with GMK Carbon R2?
Very soon, soon or soontm?
November/December more probably.
Post by: darthzero on Sun, 02 September 2018, 04:24:46
Nice, thanks for saving my wallet :)Please no R5. It´s really bad and only a few people appreciate it. Or could you at least offer one of the sets without it?
Few is not correct. There are many people who are excited about it. And overall there are far less people who care about which bottom row it is.
Otherwise R0 and R5 are the feature of GMK Carbon R2 and i will keep it. Personally i don't see any chance for row 4 kit because as i said there are not many people who care about bottom row profile.
I suggest to use a wristrest with row 5, which should be used anyway if health is a matter. With a wristrest you will not get in touch with the bottom row regardless if its row 4 or row 5.
Post by: KaosJ on Sun, 02 September 2018, 07:10:29
Soooooo... as someone who likes to buy and doesn't like reading, what's the current situation with GMK Carbon R2?
Very soon, soon or soontm?
November/December more probably.
:thumb: :thumb: :thumb: :thumb: :thumb:
Post by: dvorcol on Sun, 02 September 2018, 12:54:51
Update:
Round 1 Upgrade kit
- Fixed row labels.Show Image(https://i.imgur.com/u0pfoeR.png)
Are the colors in GMK R2 identical to GMK R1? I'm guessing they are. If not, I worry this Update kit wouldn't be very useful...
Post by: Poesjuh on Sun, 02 September 2018, 13:20:35
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Post by: Vigrith on Sun, 02 September 2018, 13:28:20
Are the colors in GMK R2 identical to GMK R1? I'm guessing they are. If not, I worry this Update kit wouldn't be very useful...
Why would anyone take the time out of their day to make a kit like that if the colours weren't the same both rounds?
Post by: T0mb3ry on Sun, 02 September 2018, 14:31:38
Update:
Round 1 Upgrade kit
- Fixed row labels.Show Image(https://i.imgur.com/u0pfoeR.png)
Are the colors in GMK R2 identical to GMK R1? I'm guessing they are. If not, I worry this Update kit wouldn't be very useful...
No color has been changed. However you should consider that the alphas from round 1 might yellowed over time little bit. For example i could see clear difference between SP SA Carbon R1 and R2. But the new caps can be exposed to the sun in order to get the yellowing so its not an issue.
Btw, afaik you’ll also need a numpad enter for the R1 upgrade kit.
That's right. If you check first page you will notice the Round 1 upgrade kit has an (R4/R5) numpad enter included. You probably looked at the outdated version of the upgrade kit which dvorcol posted before.
Post by: Poesjuh on Sun, 02 September 2018, 17:37:58
Update:
Round 1 Upgrade kit
- Fixed row labels.Show Image(https://i.imgur.com/u0pfoeR.png)
Are the colors in GMK R2 identical to GMK R1? I'm guessing they are. If not, I worry this Update kit wouldn't be very useful...
No color has been changed. However you should consider that the alphas from round 1 might yellowed over time little bit. For example i could see clear difference between SP SA Carbon R1 and R2. But the new caps can be exposed to the sun in order to get the yellowing so its not an issue.Btw, afaik you’ll also need a numpad enter for the R1 upgrade kit.
That's right. If you check first page you will notice the Round 1 upgrade kit has an (R4/R5) numpad enter included. You probably looked at the outdated version of the upgrade kit which dvorcol posted before.
Yes I did (A) :P
Post by: LightningXI on Mon, 03 September 2018, 01:37:40
Post by: Kawamashi on Mon, 03 September 2018, 06:27:04
Post by: Marutks on Mon, 03 September 2018, 06:53:13
dev/tty keycaps have both angled and flat bottom row keys. Flat keys are more comfy because they have positive angle, like a flipped spacebar.
Post by: T0mb3ry on Mon, 03 September 2018, 10:40:47
I'm wondering what alphas I'll choose to match the Ergodox set. What are the grey and orange color code ? N9 and V2 ?
N9 and V2 are standard GMK colors. GMK Carbon has non standard but custom colors.
Why so many people want R5? It makes bottom row keys to have negative angle! Not comfy at all IMHO
dev/tty keycaps have both angled and flat bottom row keys. Flat keys are more comfy because they have positive angle, like a flipped spacebar.
I made a vote previously and you can still vote: VOTE HERE (https://www.strawpoll.me/16058293)
Comfy or not is subjective. I for example don't flip the spacebar. Try to use wrist rest it will make you any bottom row comfortable without the need to flip the spacebar.
GMK is not comparable with dev/tty (actually MT3 profile). Different manufacturers - different conditions. I cant also include the row 4 in the base kit because current base kits already will definitely cost more than 150$ at 250 MOQ.
Post by: regionfree on Mon, 03 September 2018, 19:07:04
GMK is not comparable with dev/tty (actually MT3 profile). Different manufacturers - different conditions. I cant also include the row 4 in the base kit because current base kits already will definitely cost more than 150$ at 250 MOQ.
is there an ETA on when the GB/drop will commence? Really looking forward to this.
Post by: Vigrith on Mon, 03 September 2018, 19:16:36
is there an ETA on when the GB/drop will commence? Really looking forward to this.
Like 6 posts up
Soooooo... as someone who likes to buy and doesn't like reading, what's the current situation with GMK Carbon R2?
Very soon, soon or soontm?
November/December more probably.
pls read thread
Post by: regionfree on Mon, 03 September 2018, 21:27:22
is there an ETA on when the GB/drop will commence? Really looking forward to this.
Like 6 posts upSoooooo... as someone who likes to buy and doesn't like reading, what's the current situation with GMK Carbon R2?
Very soon, soon or soontm?
November/December more probably.
pls read thread
sorry couldn't weed through all 11 pages to find the ETA. would be great to have it in the opening post.
Post by: elfick on Mon, 03 September 2018, 22:36:03
Comfy or not is subjective. I for example don't flip the spacebar. Try to use wrist rest it will make you any bottom row comfortable without the need to flip the spacebar.You keep mentioning using a wrist rest but many ergonomics experts would recommend that you don't actually touch them while typing. In this case they would have zero effect on the key strike angle. Yes, there are situations where you would use them while typing but this is VERY situational. You really shouldn't use a wrist rest as a rationale for any particular bottom row profile. I'm not advocating against row 5, I just find it concerning that you've mentioned wrist rests several times now.
"Your hands should move freely and be elevated above the wrist/palm rest while typing. When resting, the pad should contact the heel or palm of your hand, not your wrist." - https://www.osha.gov/SLTC/etools/computerworkstations/components_wrist_rests.html
Post by: T0mb3ry on Tue, 04 September 2018, 00:10:09
Comfy or not is subjective. I for example don't flip the spacebar. Try to use wrist rest it will make you any bottom row comfortable without the need to flip the spacebar.You keep mentioning using a wrist rest but many ergonomics experts would recommend that you don't actually touch them while typing. In this case they would have zero effect on the key strike angle. Yes, there are situations where you would use them while typing but this is VERY situational. You really shouldn't use a wrist rest as a rationale for any particular bottom row profile. I'm not advocating against row 5, I just find it concerning that you've mentioned wrist rests several times now.
"Your hands should move freely and be elevated above the wrist/palm rest while typing. When resting, the pad should contact the heel or palm of your hand, not your wrist." - https://www.osha.gov/SLTC/etools/computerworkstations/components_wrist_rests.html
I am just suggesting wrist rest to people who are worried about touching bottom row, because it elevates your hands above the keyboard. Ofc. if you type with elevated hands then you dont need wrist rest at all and you dont have any issue with bottom row.
Otherwise this belongs into another topic for wrist rests or type ergonomics.
There is still a poll open and you can vote for or against vintage rows (R0 and R5): VOTE HERE (https://www.strawpoll.me/16058293)
Post by: elfick on Tue, 04 September 2018, 13:01:02
I am just suggesting wrist rest to people who are worried about touching bottom row, because it elevates your hands above the keyboard. Ofc. if you type with elevated hands then you dont need wrist rest at all and you dont have any issue with bottom row.I voted back when it was originally posted though what I'd really like is the vintage rows included with the base kit and a round 2 "downgrade" set to match the round 1 upgrade set as I missed out on round 1. Knowing how well carbon sells, I suspect it would still be a viable kit, possibly even more popular than the assembly kit, though that's just wild speculation based on nothing but my own opinion. :)
Otherwise this belongs into another topic for wrist rests or type ergonomics.
There is still a poll open and you can vote for or against vintage rows (R0 and R5): VOTE HERE (https://www.strawpoll.me/16058293)
Post by: T0mb3ry on Tue, 04 September 2018, 13:07:10
I voted back when it was originally posted though what I'd really like is the vintage rows included with the base kit and a round 2 "downgrade" set to match the round 1 upgrade set as I missed out on round 1. Knowing how well carbon sells, I suspect it would still be a viable kit, possibly even more popular than the assembly kit, though that's just wild speculation based on nothing but my own opinion. :)
I am still considering the row 4 bottom row kit however i need more votes just to see how many people do care for such kit. Its not a problem for me to add this kit but i need some kind of evidence it can make it. But that's impossible and so i can only guess.
is there an ETA on when the GB/drop will commence? Really looking forward to this.
Like 6 posts upSoooooo... as someone who likes to buy and doesn't like reading, what's the current situation with GMK Carbon R2?
Very soon, soon or soontm?
November/December more probably.
pls read thread
sorry couldn't weed through all 11 pages to find the ETA. would be great to have it in the opening post.
Added the possible ETA to the front page ;)
Post by: mimalik on Tue, 04 September 2018, 14:04:53
Post by: T0mb3ry on Tue, 04 September 2018, 17:03:57
May be its too late to suggest, but Orange Mods to have all orange set for full size kb?? I am sure there are enough orangephiles to hit an initial MOQ and enough of us R1ers who would like to update the sets we bought in last round just for that niche look.
Its not too late to make suggestions but there are already 16 kits. That is beyond good and evil for an GMK keyset. Tho i like the idea but unfortunately adding another kit is not possible.
Post by: KaosJ on Tue, 04 September 2018, 17:13:33
Its not too late to make suggestions
To be honest i suggest to surprise everyone and make the set happen this month instead of November/December :'(
Post by: otanishock on Tue, 04 September 2018, 18:04:33
May be its too late to suggest, but Orange Mods to have all orange set for full size kb?? I am sure there are enough orangephiles to hit an initial MOQ and enough of us R1ers who would like to update the sets we bought in last round just for that niche look.
The problem with this I can think of is we might not have enough "orangephiles" out there who would be willing to commit to a full orange set. Certainly that number can't be more than the number of Colemak/Dvorak users and when was the last time you saw those kits hit MOQ in a standard group buy without help. I just don't think it would be very feasible.
Post by: darthzero on Wed, 05 September 2018, 02:03:25
Its not too late to make suggestions
To be honest i suggest to surprise everyone and make the set happen this month instead of November/December :'(
While 2 other gmk sets already run and people are already committed, imho a bad idea. This is the only set (I know of) that is scheduled for nov/dec, buyers can save up for that time while other gb runners and vendors know not to run a gmk set around that time.
Also isn‘t massdrop rotating between manufacturers each keyset drop? At least that’s what it looked like the past few months.
Post by: Marutks on Wed, 05 September 2018, 10:06:53
Post by: coffeeshopcoder on Wed, 05 September 2018, 21:47:47
Its not too late to make suggestions
To be honest i suggest to surprise everyone and make the set happen this month instead of November/December :'(
While 2 other gmk sets already run and people are already committed, imho a bad idea. This is the only set (I know of) that is scheduled for nov/dec, buyers can save up for that time while other gb runners and vendors know not to run a gmk set around that time.
Also isn‘t massdrop rotating between manufacturers each keyset drop? At least that’s what it looked like the past few months.
For me personally - nov/dec makes more sense -- I suspect many will be like me and be getting multiple kits in this drop, so the more time to plan/save the better...
Post by: giammin on Thu, 06 September 2018, 07:57:22
r2/r3 arrows
Post by: T0mb3ry on Thu, 06 September 2018, 11:22:01
(https://farm2.staticflickr.com/1898/44464842952_d7081de25d_k.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/2aKcWFj)IMG_7371 (https://flic.kr/p/2aKcWFj) by T0mb3ry (https://www.flickr.com/photos/151659186@N03/), auf Flickr
(https://farm2.staticflickr.com/1853/43605217015_7ff840fd12_k.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/29rf8Qt)IMG_7350 (https://flic.kr/p/29rf8Qt) by T0mb3ry (https://www.flickr.com/photos/151659186@N03/), auf Flickr
You will find more photos in following Album:
https://www.flickr.com/photos/151659186@N03/albums/72157700747190924
Because the deskmats hit my expectations i approved these for the drop on Massdrop which might happen in the near future.
Post by: peggisan on Thu, 06 September 2018, 13:01:32
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Post by: thornkin on Mon, 10 September 2018, 01:20:35
Post by: Vadurr on Mon, 10 September 2018, 02:07:19
Show Image
I got new Novelkeys x T0mb3ry deskmats samples few days ago and shot some photos for you.
(https://farm2.staticflickr.com/1898/44464842952_d7081de25d_k.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/2aKcWFj)
(https://farm2.staticflickr.com/1853/43605217015_7ff840fd12_k.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/29rf8Qt)IMG_7350 (https://flic.kr/p/29rf8Qt) by T0mb3ry (https://www.flickr.com/photos/151659186@N03/), auf Flickr
You will find more photos in following Album:
https://www.flickr.com/photos/151659186@N03/albums/72157700747190924
Because the deskmats hit my expectations i approved these for the drop on Massdrop which might happen in the near future.
How thick are these deskmats?
Post by: regionfree on Mon, 10 September 2018, 02:56:16
Post by: Poesjuh on Mon, 10 September 2018, 04:30:38
I know this is a look into the future kind of question, but I’m wondering if you have any idea what the various kits are gonna cost approximately. Or, if you have done any kits in the past that we might be able to compare it with.
Trying to decide how much money to save up :P
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Post by: mgsickler on Mon, 10 September 2018, 06:05:37
How thick are these deskmats?
They are 900x400x4mm
Post by: T0mb3ry on Mon, 10 September 2018, 12:48:45
@T0mb3ry
I know this is a look into the future kind of question, but I’m wondering if you have any idea what the various kits are gonna cost approximately. Or, if you have done any kits in the past that we might be able to compare it with.
Trying to decide how much money to save up :P
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Its quite difficult to assume. The calculation is very complex from GMKs site and there is also MD calculation. Tho you should keep in mind base sets will cost between 150 and 170 dollars at 250 MOQ, due to the new molds and very generous coverage. The approx pricing for other kits you can derive from recent GMK drops. For example i think extension alphas will cost between 70 and 90 dollars at 100 MOQ. Assembly kit probably between 90 and 120 dollars at 100 MOQ.
Best you can do is to count keys in a kit and multiply it with 1$ per key. This way you will get an very rough approx value. Keep in mind the 1$ key ratio applies most of the time only to base kits since those are large. Smaller kits have worse dollar per key ratio.
Very important Everything said above are my assumption for the lowest MOQ (worst case scenario). So take it with a grain of salt! The more kits are sold the cheaper they get. By how much? I have no idea.
Post by: ideus on Mon, 10 September 2018, 18:26:44
@T0mb3ry
I know this is a look into the future kind of question, but I’m wondering if you have any idea what the various kits are gonna cost approximately. Or, if you have done any kits in the past that we might be able to compare it with.
Trying to decide how much money to save up :p
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Its quite difficult to assume. The calculation is very complex from GMKs site and there is also MD calculation. Tho you should keep in mind base sets will cost between 150 and 170 dollars at 250 MOQ, due to the new molds and very generous coverage. The approx pricing for other kits you can derive from recent GMK drops. For example i think extension alphas will cost between 70 and 90 dollars at 100 MOQ. Assembly kit probably between 90 and 120 dollars at 100 MOQ.
Best you can do is to count keys in a kit and multiply it with 1$ per key. This way you will get an very rough approx value. Keep in mind the 1$ key ratio applies most of the time only to base kits since those are large. Smaller kits have worse dollar per key ratio.
Very important Everything said above are my assumption for the lowest MOQ (worst case scenario). So take it with a grain of salt! The more kits are sold the cheaper they get. By how much? I have no idea.
Thank you for the tip.
Post by: 8six753o9 on Mon, 10 September 2018, 23:22:32
I know you don't want to add more keys to your set, but I was just wondering if you would be able to add an extra Tab key to both the core sets just like what Zambumon was planning to do with Chocolatier. This will allow people to have an extra set of modifiers so they can have 2 layouts. For example, (1) TKL with Core Bones and (1) HHKB layout with the remaining modifiers w/ Bone Alphas.
Post by: OracleKev on Mon, 10 September 2018, 23:30:15
Hi T0mb3ry,
I know you don't want to add more keys to your set, but I was just wondering if you would be able to add an extra Tab key to both the core sets just like what Zambumon was planning to do with Chocolatier. This will allow people to have an extra set of modifiers so they can have 2 layouts. For example, (1) TKL with Core Bones and (1) HHKB layout with the remaining modifiers w/ Bone Alphas.
This would be very nice
Post by: T0mb3ry on Tue, 11 September 2018, 00:05:14
Hi T0mb3ry,
I know you don't want to add more keys to your set, but I was just wondering if you would be able to add an extra Tab key to both the core sets just like what Zambumon was planning to do with Chocolatier. This will allow people to have an extra set of modifiers so they can have 2 layouts. For example, (1) TKL with Core Bones and (1) HHKB layout with the remaining modifiers w/ Bone Alphas.
Sounds interesting. I'll look into it.
Post by: hansichen on Tue, 11 September 2018, 01:22:39
Hi T0mb3ry,
I know you don't want to add more keys to your set, but I was just wondering if you would be able to add an extra Tab key to both the core sets just like what Zambumon was planning to do with Chocolatier. This will allow people to have an extra set of modifiers so they can have 2 layouts. For example, (1) TKL with Core Bones and (1) HHKB layout with the remaining modifiers w/ Bone Alphas.
Nice to see that this idea is finally getting mainstream, I proposed that ages ago in a different IC and I was fully ignored :))
I really like this idea cause we have 2 full bottom rows, we have 2 ansi 2,25u shift keys so you can build one board with 2,75u and one with 1,75u right shift, you have several caps keys so you won't lack one there. There are two enter keys available, one coloured and one gray. The only missing keys are the tab key and you have to find a proper way to include the backspace as only one 2u key is included, but as already mentioned you can go for a hhkb build which is very popular in general.
Post by: T0mb3ry on Tue, 11 September 2018, 12:11:12
(https://i.imgur.com/6N0grzy.png)
Edit: i apologize for the typo in the kit name...
Post by: T0mb3ry on Tue, 11 September 2018, 12:56:00
Carbon and Bone base kits
- Both base kits got duplicate tab key included, so people can utilize the remaining modifiers for and HHKB like layout which is very good (i guess other layouts are also possible like 60% or 65% as long as HHKB backspace style is implemented). Anyway this works only if you got additional alphas set. Honestly there should be also backspace duplicates but that means 3 additional keys (including tab) and in that case i have to put it in a separate kit. So one duplicate tab is ok but not three duplicates as this would be little bit too much. Base kits are already huge and they contain far more important keys.
(https://i.imgur.com/D2CXeOw.png)
(https://i.imgur.com/PuWXoia.png)
Post by: elfick on Tue, 11 September 2018, 14:42:07
People who ask for row 4 kit. Look at this kit and how many keys it needs to make it compatible with the both base sets. This kit will cost at least 70 $ if not more. I dont think there will be enough people who will pay 70+ just for the bottom row. In this regard i cant offer such kit because its not feasible.Why not just offer it to match Carbon base only and drop the Bone? GMK Carbon R1 didn't have Bone so a true "downgrade" kit shouldn't offer it anyway. That cuts the set nearly in half.Show Image(https://i.imgur.com/6N0grzy.png)
Edit: i apologize for the typo in the kit name...
Post by: 8six753o9 on Tue, 11 September 2018, 19:46:57
Update
Carbon and Bone base kits
- Both base kits got duplicate tab key included, so people can utilize the remaining modifiers for and HHKB like layout which is very good (i guess other layouts are also possible like 60% or 65% as long as HHKB backspace style is implemented). Anyway this works only if you got additional alphas set. Honestly there should be also backspace duplicates but that means 3 additional keys (including tab) and in that case i have to put it in a separate kit. So one duplicate tab is ok but not three duplicates as this would be little bit too much. Base kits are already huge and they contain far more important keys.Show Image(https://i.imgur.com/D2CXeOw.png)Show Image(https://i.imgur.com/PuWXoia.png)
YES!!! Now I can justify purchasing the Boneyard Alphas.
Post by: Poesjuh on Wed, 12 September 2018, 02:16:48
One very small thing worth considering perhaps, a second 1.75u shift? (nitpicking here)
Post by: T0mb3ry on Wed, 12 September 2018, 14:21:15
New extension "Arrows kit"
(https://i.imgur.com/K4WBjSn.png)
New novelty kit "Salty kit"
- I've asked every Designer for a permission to offer a salt key for their design. And i want to thank them for this. Every key will get the matching custom color of their keyset. The last three salt keys are using standard GMK Colors.
(https://i.imgur.com/0Ly7F1v.png)
Post by: oldcat on Wed, 12 September 2018, 14:59:47
Post by: T0mb3ry on Wed, 12 September 2018, 15:18:13
Salty kit
- Just had a small talk with Jessica and this kit gets few random salt kits replaced with Plum and Necro salt keys. Thanks Jessy! ;)
(https://i.imgur.com/yXpluWz.png)
Post by: oldcat on Wed, 12 September 2018, 15:26:17
Update
Salty kit
- Just had a small talk with Jessica and this kit gets few random salt kits replaced with Plum and Necro salt keys. Thanks Jessy! ;)Show Image(https://i.imgur.com/yXpluWz.png)
This salt kit, is a MUST Have. Cannot wait. Please make this happen!
Post by: Poesjuh on Wed, 12 September 2018, 17:35:41
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Post by: 8six753o9 on Wed, 12 September 2018, 18:42:21
UpdateHow about some Salty Chocolate too?
Salty kit
- Just had a small talk with Jessica and this kit gets few random salt kits replaced with Plum and Necro salt keys. Thanks Jessy! ;)Show Image(https://i.imgur.com/yXpluWz.png)
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Post by: T0mb3ry on Thu, 13 September 2018, 00:05:46
Pleeeeeaaaaaase a Grisean salt key :P
This would be just wob salt key...
How about some Salty Chocolate too?
I don't know if the color samples are already matched. Without the matched and approved by the designer color samples its not possible to add such key.
Post by: otanishock on Thu, 13 September 2018, 00:11:07
Post by: Wetherbee on Thu, 13 September 2018, 00:18:35
Did we very figure out a solution for the F-row colors?
Post by: Atredl on Thu, 13 September 2018, 00:22:21
I didn't realize there was a problem with the F-row.
Did we very figure out a solution for the F-row colors?
Post by: Poesjuh on Thu, 13 September 2018, 05:19:51
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Post by: jtallbean on Thu, 13 September 2018, 10:50:19
Post by: T0mb3ry on Thu, 13 September 2018, 11:33:54
Didn't scroll through 12 pages, but is there a reason for the funky skull and bee in the boneyard and beezarre kits? They seem pretty out of place and would be better served in a novelty pack or something. plus it raises the price of those additional alpha kits
These are sugar keys and they are not out of place if you think about the kit names. Anyway they will stay as they are.
Post by: T0mb3ry on Thu, 13 September 2018, 11:39:20
Did we very figure out a solution for the F-row colors?
If you check fist page you will see that the alphas got function keys (F1-F4 and F9-F12) in their colors. So it was solved in the previous updates.
Post by: kiettv12 on Thu, 13 September 2018, 12:41:36
Post by: T0mb3ry on Thu, 13 September 2018, 12:51:02
will the bone look like honeywell ?Honeywell has white alphas and lighter gray mods. Bones has beige/ivory alphas and darker gray alphas. I got GMK Honeywell and its different in person imo.
Post by: yasintahir on Thu, 13 September 2018, 12:52:55
UpdateCan we add camping?
Salty kit
- Just had a small talk with Jessica and this kit gets few random salt kits replaced with Plum and Necro salt keys. Thanks Jessy! ;)Show Image(https://i.imgur.com/yXpluWz.png)
Post by: T0mb3ry on Thu, 13 September 2018, 15:13:40
Salty kit
- I've asked Kingnestea to add an salty key for Camping and i got a green light. Thanks King! ;)
(https://i.imgur.com/U45mfOj.png)
The Salty kit is now full. It has now 16 keys for the row 1. With this kit you will be able to make complete (escape key excluded) salty function row on a tkl keyboard.
However this kit uses many different colors and that will raise the pricing for it. I guarantee you, it will have worst dollar per key ratio. Just take Glorious kit from Yuri for example.
Anyway if the pricing will be too high, i will split this kit probably in two.
Yes we can! ;)UpdateCan we add camping?
Salty kit
- Just had a small talk with Jessica and this kit gets few random salt kits replaced with Plum and Necro salt keys. Thanks Jessy! ;)Show Image(https://i.imgur.com/yXpluWz.png)
Post by: Poesjuh on Thu, 13 September 2018, 16:02:35
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Post by: dead_pixel_design on Thu, 13 September 2018, 16:18:32
Just take Glorious kit from Yuri for example.
Speaking of Yuri, really really hoping we see an SA Yuri down the road...
Post by: THRILLHOIAF on Thu, 13 September 2018, 18:46:18
Update
Salty kit
- I've asked Kingnestea to add an salty key for Camping and i got a green light. Thanks King! ;)Show Image(https://i.imgur.com/U45mfOj.png)
The Salty kit is now full. It has now 16 keys for the row 1. With this kit you will be able to make complete (escape key excluded) salty function row on a tkl keyboard.
However this kit uses many different colors and that will raise the pricing for it. I guarantee you, it will have worst dollar per key ratio. Just take Glorious kit from Yuri for example.
Anyway if the pricing will be too high, i will split this kit probably in two.Yes we can! ;)UpdateCan we add camping?
Salty kit
- Just had a small talk with Jessica and this kit gets few random salt kits replaced with Plum and Necro salt keys. Thanks Jessy! ;)Show Image(https://i.imgur.com/yXpluWz.png)
****....I shoulda made By the Sea GMK....i only own Plum but I'll still probably spring for the full kit
Post by: Acereconkeys on Thu, 13 September 2018, 19:07:11
Post by: Taques on Thu, 13 September 2018, 20:09:31
Those salty novelties :eek:
Post by: T0mb3ry on Fri, 14 September 2018, 10:20:15
Post by: lecorsair on Fri, 14 September 2018, 11:23:32
Post by: T0mb3ry on Fri, 14 September 2018, 16:51:06
Any chance there's a rerun of Hammer x Carbon novelties around this drop? thanks!
I don't think those artisans will come back again. If i do another collab with Hammer then it will be different design probably.
Post by: KaosJ on Fri, 14 September 2018, 17:16:05
The drop for Carbon Deskmats (https://www.massdrop.com/buy/novelkeys-t0mb3ry-carbon-desk-mouse-mat?guest_open) is now live!
will the deskmat be dropped again with gmk carbon?
Post by: T0mb3ry on Fri, 14 September 2018, 17:24:16
The drop for Carbon Deskmats (https://www.massdrop.com/buy/novelkeys-t0mb3ry-carbon-desk-mouse-mat?guest_open) is now live!
will the deskmat be dropped again with gmk carbon?
Nope. It will not drop with GMK Carbon again. Also these particular designs of deskmats are exclusive to this drop. Say they will not be available elsewhere. If a redrop for these mats happen in the future i don't know.
Post by: KaosJ on Fri, 14 September 2018, 17:32:46
The drop for Carbon Deskmats (https://www.massdrop.com/buy/novelkeys-t0mb3ry-carbon-desk-mouse-mat?guest_open) is now live!
will the deskmat be dropped again with gmk carbon?
Nope. It will not drop with GMK Carbon again. Also these particular designs of deskmats are exclusive to this drop. Say they will not be available elsewhere. If a redrop for these mats happen in the future i don't know.
Dammit, so i guess not even a different design deskmat with gmk so gotta buy now (sadly since you posted it here)... as a european, not cool :/
Still buying tomorrow
Post by: oldcat on Fri, 14 September 2018, 17:47:57
Post by: T0mb3ry on Fri, 14 September 2018, 18:07:55
Dammit, so i guess not even a different design deskmat with gmk so gotta buy now (sadly since you posted it here)... as a european, not cool :/
Still buying tomorrow
I guess shipping is quite costly. But i have to say as i got the preproduction samples, the package was quite big because despite the mats being rolled they take lots of space.
pls drop on Massdrop!
Not sooner than November.
By this i am trying to give a tip for people who are interested in GMK Carbon to prepare, because the drop is not going to be as cheap as the first round.
Post by: oldcat on Fri, 14 September 2018, 18:08:53
Dammit, so i guess not even a different design deskmat with gmk so gotta buy now (sadly since you posted it here)... as a european, not cool :/
Still buying tomorrow
I guess shipping is quite costly. But i have to say as i got the preproduction samples, the package was quite big because despite the mats being rolled they take lots of space.pls drop on Massdrop!
Not sooner than November.
By this i am trying to give a tip for people who are interested in GMK Carbon to prepare, because the drop is not going to be as cheap as the first round.
No worries! Die hard carbon fan here!
Post by: thornkin on Fri, 14 September 2018, 18:51:34
Post by: Kawamashi on Sat, 15 September 2018, 11:08:09
Post by: T0mb3ry on Sat, 15 September 2018, 11:54:04
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Maybe a silly question, but why salty novelties ? For a set which is supposed to be "universal", why not the symbol of a switch for example ?
Those salty keys were introduced during SP SA Carbon Round 2 drop for a reason. There is a small story behind it, but anyway some people wanted salty kit so here it is.
Post by: otanishock on Sat, 15 September 2018, 12:09:41
There is a small story behind it, but anyway some people wanted salty kit so here it is.
I'm listening :))
Post by: T0mb3ry on Sat, 15 September 2018, 12:37:28
There is a small story behind it, but anyway some people wanted salty kit so here it is.
I'm listening :))
In short we overlooked at the beginning the Warning Signs kit pricing which was abysmal low. Precisely Warning Signs kit had 36 keys and price was only 12$. We sold almost 1k kits at this low price then we removed the kit for time being in order to get proper pricing but people got "salty" about it. So i joked about our **** up with salty kit mockup and people loved it :)) In the end we reintroduced the warning signs again with proper prices and we introduced salty kit. Also people who bought warning signs for 12$ before got actually their kits that cheap. So whole story ended good for everybody imo.
Post by: Poesjuh on Sat, 15 September 2018, 14:46:50
I would want salty keys in R2 and 2 in R3. Perfect for league of salt
🤪Heck, would even just use R1 salt caps so the salt piles stick out from the rest of the keyboard, better to get my salt game going strong.
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Post by: otanishock on Sat, 15 September 2018, 20:18:38
There is a small story behind it, but anyway some people wanted salty kit so here it is.
I'm listening :))
In short we overlooked at the beginning the Warning Signs kit pricing which was abysmal low. Precisely Warning Signs kit had 36 keys and price was only 12$. We sold almost 1k kits at this low price then we removed the kit for time being in order to get proper pricing but people got "salty" about it. So i joked about our **** up with salty kit mockup and people loved it :)) In the end we reintroduced the warning signs again with proper prices and we introduced salty kit. Also people who bought warning signs for 12$ before got actually their kits that cheap. So whole story ended good for everybody imo.
Story sold. In for salty kit :cool:.
Post by: RivieraS on Sat, 15 September 2018, 22:05:03
Post by: umalip on Fri, 21 September 2018, 06:16:47
Post by: T0mb3ry on Fri, 21 September 2018, 10:22:38
Post by: avid on Fri, 21 September 2018, 17:16:42
Maybe:
-7 1.25 (ctrl/alt/super/x1 fn)
-4 1.5 (ctrl/alt)
and in both colorways, so about 20 keys.
Yes its a compromise, but it covers a lot of layouts. I love numpads myself, but this is a kit id def. buy.
Post by: T0mb3ry on Sat, 22 September 2018, 03:29:40
Only thing i wish for is r4 mods. I saw your kit on the last page, but would you consider doing a smaller kit of r4 mods?
Maybe:
-7 1.25 (ctrl/alt/super/x1 fn)
-4 1.5 (ctrl/alt)
and in both colorways, so about 20 keys.
Yes its a compromise, but it covers a lot of layouts. I love numpads myself, but this is a kit id def. buy.
Those keys are incomplete because they are only compatible with 60% layout which is not acceptable. Its missing bottom arrow keys (especially for x5% layouts which are very popular lately), several 1u keys and its missing numpad bottom rows which are needed for mandatory 1800er layouts. If i add those keys the kit will cost around 70-90$ just for the bottom row...
Post by: BEWBEEDOO on Sat, 22 September 2018, 09:32:30
Most have a 1u Fn, Tab, Shift, Backspace, and/or = keys.
Post by: T0mb3ry on Sat, 22 September 2018, 11:02:24
Have you considered adding some R0 1u keys for the separate numpads?
Most have a 1u Fn, Tab, Shift, Backspace, and/or = keys.
I would add such keys only if numpad was separate kit. Since i do have two base sets i cant separate numpads from those. Numpads are required for 1800 and 100% layout. There is also MOQ. This is not an Signature Plastics set which can have 25 MOQ for a single kit. With only one base set it would be possible but not with two. So splitting up base sets is not an option.
Because base sets are huge there is no place for these keys inside of the base kits. Making an extra kit for those niche keys, with support for both base sets and with MOQ of 100 is questionable.
Post by: sJ1N on Sun, 23 September 2018, 17:53:03
Post by: thelaughingman on Sun, 23 September 2018, 19:03:28
So when will this be on massdrop ? I'm definitely in for a kit :thumb:
read first post pls
Post by: lecorsair on Sun, 23 September 2018, 23:08:47
So when will this be on massdrop ? I'm definitely in for a kit :thumb:
No sooner than November was the last word by TOmb3ry; read post #584
https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=96488.550 (https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=96488.550)
Post by: Oni74 on Sun, 23 September 2018, 23:48:26
Post by: fouras on Wed, 26 September 2018, 19:09:59
I will softlock all kits probably in two weeks. So if you have suggestions or you found some missing keys (like every human i have the right to forget, to miss, to be wrong and cause errors :p ) just reply below because two weeks will be over quickly.
1u shifts in base, bone, and ivory would probably be appreciated. They're more common than stuff like 1u backspace that the kits already support.
Also, I think the assembly kit is oversized. The normal meta, ctrl, alt, etc. bottom row stuff doesn't match the rest of the kit, and the jmp, pop, xor, etc. caps already exist for those positions.
Post by: T0mb3ry on Thu, 27 September 2018, 00:09:51
1u shifts in base, bone, and ivory would probably be appreciated. They're more common than stuff like 1u backspace that the kits already support.
The 1u shift is indeed needed for keyboards with shifted row4 but i am actually not sure how common those boards are. So for me it looks like they are way to exotic and actually the 2u shift belongs in some kind exotic kit but not the base kit. Anyway i would love if someone can give me few references for boards with such layout. Minila and JP HHKB cant be covered properly anyway so they dont count.
Also, I think the assembly kit is oversized. The normal meta, ctrl, alt, etc. bottom row stuff doesn't match the rest of the kit, and the jmp, pop, xor, etc. caps already exist for those positions.
It was requested and I can understand and it makes sense what some people want to have bottom mods be with normal labels like arrows keys. These are 8 keys and they will stay.
Post by: fouras on Thu, 27 September 2018, 03:31:23
1u shifts in base, bone, and ivory would probably be appreciated. They're more common than stuff like 1u backspace that the kits already support.
The 1u shift is indeed needed for keyboards with shifted row4 but i am actually not sure how common those boards are. So for me it looks like they are way to exotic and actually the 2u shift belongs in some kind exotic kit but not the base kit. Anyway i would love if someone can give me few references for boards with such layout. Minila and JP HHKB cant be covered properly anyway so they dont count.
The GK64, DZ60, and XD60 are all pretty common.
Post by: Arntor on Thu, 27 September 2018, 08:50:44
Post by: Poesjuh on Thu, 27 September 2018, 11:56:12
Was an option on the Grey Cod67 as well.1u shifts in base, bone, and ivory would probably be appreciated. They're more common than stuff like 1u backspace that the kits already support.
The 1u shift is indeed needed for keyboards with shifted row4 but i am actually not sure how common those boards are. So for me it looks like they are way to exotic and actually the 2u shift belongs in some kind exotic kit but not the base kit. Anyway i would love if someone can give me few references for boards with such layout. Minila and JP HHKB cant be covered properly anyway so they dont count.
The GK64, DZ60, and XD60 are all pretty common.
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Post by: T0mb3ry on Thu, 27 September 2018, 14:05:53
Carbon/Bone base kits and Ivory mods
- Added 1u shift key.
(https://i.imgur.com/xRWrfMY.png)
(https://i.imgur.com/9XH5F7Y.png)
(https://i.imgur.com/bWTLNdv.png)
The GK64, DZ60, and XD60 are all pretty common.
Was an option on the Grey Cod67 as well.
Reasonable suggestion and thanks for the examples for such layout. Wonder how it feels to type with shifted row. I've a planck and typing on ortholinear layout is quite different experience.
Post by: Poesjuh on Thu, 27 September 2018, 15:55:26
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Post by: avid on Sat, 29 September 2018, 04:49:26
Post by: RETURNISO on Sat, 29 September 2018, 14:01:25
Any chance to add a Bone Nordekit?
It would be great option for Norde uses to be able to have 2 "clean" sets in one buy. :cool:
I am personally most interested in "Bone" But the missing Norde kit is such a bummer :rolleyes:
Post by: avid on Sat, 29 September 2018, 14:03:32
Hi,
Any chance to add a Bone Nordekit?
It would be great option for Norde uses to be able to have 2 "clean" sets in one buy. :cool:
I am personally is most interested in "Bone" But the missing Norde kit is such a bummer :rolleyes:
(https://i.imgur.com/f8mEZ11.png)
This set works for both bone and regular right?
Edit: or do you mean the dark grey i guess?
Post by: RETURNISO on Sat, 29 September 2018, 14:10:36
Hi,
Any chance to add a Bone Nordekit?
It would be great option for Norde uses to be able to have 2 "clean" sets in one buy. :cool:
I am personally is most interested in "Bone" But the missing Norde kit is such a bummer :rolleyes:
Show Image(https://i.imgur.com/f8mEZ11.png)
This set works for both bone and regular right?
Edit: or do you mean the dark grey i guess?
Yes, sorry! Bone base with boneyard alphas + boneyard Norde kit, please please please :p
Edit. There even are a bone icon extension :eek: This combo with a hint of carbon will make a killer clean minimal set!! not to mention the full Carbon Ivory goodness as a bonus minimal set :p
Post by: T0mb3ry on Sat, 29 September 2018, 14:27:55
Hi,
Any chance to add a Bone Nordekit?
It would be great option for Norde uses to be able to have 2 "clean" sets in one buy. :cool:
I am personally is most interested in "Bone" But the missing Norde kit is such a bummer :rolleyes:
Show Image(https://i.imgur.com/f8mEZ11.png)
This set works for both bone and regular right?
Edit: or do you mean the dark grey i guess?
Yes, sorry! Bone base with boneyard alphas + boneyard Norde kit, please please please :p
Edit. There even are a bone icon extension :eek: This combo with a hint of carbon will make a killer clean minimal set!! not to mention the full Carbon Ivory goodness as a bonus minimal set :p
That's not possible IMHO. Thing is that NORDEUK kits barely tip even from successful sets. For example SP SA Carbon R2 sold almost 20k kits which is insane but only 116 beige NORDEUK beige kits and 16 orange NORDEUK kits. And its not the issue not having enough EU buyers its just most of the EU buyers switches over to ANSI and are using specific layouts in order to write their specific language letters. So the Boneyard NORDEUK has no chance anyway. I hope the beige NORDEUK kit will hit its MOQ.
Post by: RETURNISO on Sat, 29 September 2018, 14:53:31
Hi,
Any chance to add a Bone Nordekit?
It would be great option for Norde uses to be able to have 2 "clean" sets in one buy. :cool:
I am personally is most interested in "Bone" But the missing Norde kit is such a bummer :rolleyes:
Show Image(https://i.imgur.com/f8mEZ11.png)
This set works for both bone and regular right?
Edit: or do you mean the dark grey i guess?
Yes, sorry! Bone base with boneyard alphas + boneyard Norde kit, please please please :p
Edit. There even are a bone icon extension :eek: This combo with a hint of carbon will make a killer clean minimal set!! not to mention the full Carbon Ivory goodness as a bonus minimal set :p
That's not possible IMHO. Thing is that NORDEUK kits barely tip even from successful sets. For example SP SA Carbon R2 sold almost 20k kits which is insane but only 116 beige NORDEUK beige kits and 16 orange NORDEUK kits. And its not the issue not having enough EU buyers its just most of the EU buyers switches over to ANSI and are using specific layouts in order to write their specific language letters. So the Boneyard NORDEUK has no chance anyway. I hope the beige NORDEUK kit will hit its MOQ.
Thanks for the fast response! Alright. I see. That is very unfortunate :(
I can understand the orange didnt hit that big of a number as it really takes its desk to wear it :)
But what i hear is actually positive and that rough 140 nordic uses "took half of a normal MOQ" with just one more small kit to offer ;)
But i could see higher numbers hitting with a Boneyard NORDEUK as it is simple much more bearable on a lot more keyboards.
No chance of trying to run it?
if it dosnt hit MOQ it dosnt hit MOQ.. And MD seems to be OK with it especially with the BIG hype behind carbon. ( All props to the master :thumb: )
Alot more potential nordic buyers could help take alot more base sets with that small extra kit. Previous buyers aswell as new buyers.
Post by: T0mb3ry on Sun, 30 September 2018, 07:51:44
KITS ARE LOCKED!
I am open only for changes which do fix some major issues if there are any.
Thanks for the fast response! Alright. I see. That is very unfortunate :(
I can understand the orange didnt hit that big of a number as it really takes its desk to wear it :)
But what i hear is actually positive and that rough 140 nordic uses "took half of a normal MOQ" with just one more small kit to offer ;)
But i could see higher numbers hitting with a Boneyard NORDEUK as it is simple much more bearable on a lot more keyboards.
No chance of trying to run it?
if it dosnt hit MOQ it dosn't hit MOQ.. And MD seems to be OK with it especially with the BIG hype behind carbon. ( All props to the master :thumb: )
Alot more potential nordic buyers could help take alot more base sets with that small extra kit. Previous buyers aswell as new buyers.
Sorry. As i said, that kit will have no chance so i did not even need to give it a chance. Keep in mind Boneyard will be extremely niche. For example Carbon outsells 3 times Bone set. Its just that the people who like the bone stuff are loudest here. But Carbon will always outsell Bone and all the Bone positive replies here don't change this fact.
Post by: speedofsound on Sun, 30 September 2018, 08:42:54
Novelties -
1. Could you add novelties in ivory text/legend with gray background to match the bone base set mods and the rolling bones kit? Would love to have the hexagon and 6 / 12.011 C in that colorway. Would be very nice to put on top row leftmost key (where people normally put novelties/artisans) and on mods in the r4/r5 rows. Right now the only novelty in that colorway is the 2.25 graphene key.
^ the most important request/question!
2. Is there a reason that the 12 / 6 C novelty is not in this round? Would love to have that in the ivory text on gray background color scheme.
Rolling bones -
1. Would it be possible to have the all suits in both colorways? (Ie: heart and diamond in ivory with gray background, spade and club in orange on gray background). This time rolling bones set has less keys because no 1.5u suits keys, so perhaps this might be possible?
2. Can the dice key be in non-stepped format for those of us with non-stepped keys? There is the option for stepped and non-stepped format in the base kit.
Rolling bones set should be very popular, because so many people are requesting it and paying multiples over initial selling price on r/mechmarket, so I think people would be willing to pay.
Homing keys
1. Would scooped homing keys be an option for this round?
Post by: RETURNISO on Sun, 30 September 2018, 09:14:12
We are one month away from a possible drop. In this regard i am locking the kits in order to use this time to fix issues - if things get out of the expected price ranges. Or i will be fixing technical issues which might happen. For example i had to change Salt key icon because current icon has some technical issues. After confirmation from GMK i will show the modified saltkey icon in this thread.KITS ARE LOCKED!I am open only for changes which do fix some major issues if there are any.Thanks for the fast response! Alright. I see. That is very unfortunate :(
I can understand the orange didnt hit that big of a number as it really takes its desk to wear it :)
But what i hear is actually positive and that rough 140 nordic uses "took half of a normal MOQ" with just one more small kit to offer ;)
But i could see higher numbers hitting with a Boneyard NORDEUK as it is simple much more bearable on a lot more keyboards.
No chance of trying to run it?
if it dosnt hit MOQ it dosn't hit MOQ.. And MD seems to be OK with it especially with the BIG hype behind carbon. ( All props to the master :thumb: )
Alot more potential nordic buyers could help take alot more base sets with that small extra kit. Previous buyers aswell as new buyers.
Sorry. As i said, that kit will have no chance so i did not even need to give it a chance. Keep in mind Boneyard will be extremely niche. For example Carbon outsells 3 times Bone set. Its just that the people who like the bone stuff are loudest here. But Carbon will always outsell Bone and all the Bone positive replies here don't change this fact.
Cool. I understand!
Thanks for making the initial Norde kit! Looking forward to the Drop :thumb:
Post by: mimalik on Sun, 30 September 2018, 09:32:39
Post by: T0mb3ry on Sun, 30 September 2018, 10:30:12
Hello! Love the set and am going to get almost all the kits except NORDE and orange alphas. Made an account to ask some quick questions about a few kits. Questions/requests in order of priority
Novelties -
1. Could you add novelties in ivory text/legend with gray background to match the bone base set mods and the rolling bones kit? Would love to have the hexagon and 6 / 12.011 C in that colorway. Would be very nice to put on top row leftmost key (where people normally put novelties/artisans) and on mods in the r4/r5 rows. Right now the only novelty in that colorway is the 2.25 graphene key.
^ the most important request/question!
2. Is there a reason that the 12 / 6 C novelty is not in this round? Would love to have that in the ivory text on gray background color scheme.
Rolling bones -
1. Would it be possible to have the all suits in both colorways? (Ie: heart and diamond in ivory with gray background, spade and club in orange on gray background). This time rolling bones set has less keys because no 1.5u suits keys, so perhaps this might be possible?
2. Can the dice key be in non-stepped format for those of us with non-stepped keys? There is the option for stepped and non-stepped format in the base kit.
Rolling bones set should be very popular, because so many people are requesting it and paying multiples over initial selling price on r/mechmarket, so I think people would be willing to pay.
Homing keys
1. Would scooped homing keys be an option for this round?
First of all the kits are locked. So its too late for requests for adding keys or changes.
Anyway i want to answer some questions or explain the kits.
Novelties kit.
1. This kit is for Carbon but there are few keys in Bone colorway so people who bought Carbon and Bone could use some novelty keys on Bones to show off its Origin. Also putting Carbon Icons on Super keys in Bone set will give it a nice orange touch. Ivory mods is an extension kit and its there to utilize spare alphas if people buy other alphas. Also you can use Ivory mods for mixing with alphas of other sets. However i dont view Ivory as a base set which deserves some kind of novelty or support in existing novelty kits. Maybe in the next possible drop i will work it out into full base set and then i will introduce its own theme with novelties. But in the end Novelties kit is in the first place for Carbon base kit.
2. The C 6/12 key is not available (please differ the rounds in profiles: this is GMK Carbon Round 2 and GMK Carbon Round 1 did not had that novelty at all) because it does not look good on Cherry profile. The C 6/12.011 is the appropriate version of C 6/12 novelty for Cherry profile.
Rolling bones.
1. This Novelty kit is designed specifically for the Bone base set. And it will stay as such. Its there to push the bone colorway because its less popular than Carbon which is a fact.
2. For the caps lock, i think its ok that the design for the stepped and non stepped caps lock is different. Actually i wanted to use 777 for stepped caps lock but its too wide and i did not want to use the dices on the caps lock at all, because enter has it already. But i had to make compromise and that's why i am using the dices on stepped caps lock. I personally want to leave the 777 as it is.
Rolling bones is semi popular. Again you who prefer Bones are the loudest but Carbon is more popular what ever you might say. Even in the drop of Carbon themed deskmats the Carbon mats outsold Bone greatly. Also Rolling bone is sought after because its rare. It did not sold as well as Carbon Novelties. Tho i wish people would appreciate the things for that they are and not for their rarity. Once things are widely available no body cares for it. This is how things work in this hobby and probably in other hobbies too.
This IC thread is running since July 2018. There was plenty of time to make suggestion. Now there is a lot of stuff to do: like checking the pricing and making renders for the drop. I hope if i start another IC here and if i catch your interest again you will reply and make suggestions before Kit Lock :(
Does this mean that all the kits on page 1 will be available? Super excited for Beezarre kit and R0/5 keys. Orange alphas in GMK, woot woot.
Thanks for excitement and appreciation. Tho it does not mean the kits will stay as they are. I will look at pricing for each kit and decide if its worth it. If the prices for particular kits are too high then i need to chop it down. In the worst case even remove the kit completely. But i think GMK and Massdrop will work out acceptable condition and i hope i will not be forced to make any changes.
Cool. I understand!
Thanks for making the initial Norde kit! Looking forward to the Drop :thumb:
Thanks for understanding. I appreciate this.
Honestly if there were no MOQ i would have made NORDEUK kit for every colorway and far more kits. There are many kits which i would love to make but i had to discard those because i offer already too many kits. GMK Carbon has now 18 kits. This is insane!
Post by: Mcnos on Sun, 30 September 2018, 15:54:52
Post by: T0mb3ry on Sun, 30 September 2018, 17:09:06
Wanted to use the Boneyard Alphas, but didn't see any other modifier kits besides the Ivory. So I'd have to get Base / Boneyard correct ?
You are correct. Keep in mind with Bone base and Boneyard alphas you can cover one TKL board and one HHKB backspace style keyboard. So basically you can cover two boards with those two kits.
Tho if you like mono color sets (i am guessing because you want the boneyard alphas), with the ivory mods plus the beige alphas from the bone set you will be able to make another mono color set. That's the reason why beige mods do exist. You can also purchase only ivory mods with Boneyard alphas in order to make an inverted Bone base set.
Post by: Mcnos on Sun, 30 September 2018, 17:22:47
Wanted to use the Boneyard Alphas, but didn't see any other modifier kits besides the Ivory. So I'd have to get Base / Boneyard correct ?
You are correct. Keep in mind with Bone base and Boneyard alphas you can cover one TKL board and one HHKB backspace style keyboard. So basically you can cover two boards with those two kits.
Tho if you like mono color sets (i am guessing because you want the boneyard alphas), with the ivory mods plus the beige alphas from the bone set you will be able to make another mono color set. That's the reason why beige mods do exist. You can also purchase only ivory mods with Boneyard alphas in order to make an inverted Bone base set.
That is true.. although if the alphas we're the same base color as R1 I wouldn't be a fan of since it's more yellowish that I had imagined.
Post by: iliketimex on Sun, 30 September 2018, 18:43:10
Post by: Hanks on Sun, 30 September 2018, 19:35:58
Post by: Acereconkeys on Sun, 30 September 2018, 20:22:37
Any chance to add keys such as R3 1.25u tab/FN and 1.75u Enter? Pretty common on 40% keyboards.
Unfortunately a few lines above he commented the kits are locked.
Post by: Hanks on Sun, 30 September 2018, 21:14:41
Any chance to add keys such as R3 1.25u tab/FN and 1.75u Enter? Pretty common on 40% keyboards.
Unfortunately a few lines above he commented the kits are locked.
I can settle for the assembly kit. But still confused about the base.
Post by: neon_tom on Sun, 30 September 2018, 21:51:09
The "Option" icon key is upside down. This needs to be corrected. It looks idiotic right now. Doesn't matter if a new mold needs to be made - whoever approved the upside down option icon got it wrong. Look up option key on wikipedia if you need to see what it is supposed to look like. There is even a Mac font symbol for it, so I have no idea how it got inverted.
Sigh. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alt_key
Post by: Audiobs on Sun, 30 September 2018, 23:22:39
The "Option" icon key is upside down. This needs to be corrected. It looks idiotic right now. Doesn't matter if a new mold needs to be made - whoever approved the upside down option icon got it wrong. Look up option key on wikipedia if you need to see what it is supposed to look like. There is even a Mac font symbol for it, so I have no idea how it got inverted.
Sigh. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alt_key
I had no idea Apple reversed the 'Alt' symbol for 'Option', thanks for the clarification! :thumb: I can see how one can be mistaken, but talk about jumping to conclusion... :)
Post by: T0mb3ry on Mon, 01 October 2018, 00:06:43
Any chance to add keys such as R3 1.25u tab/FN and 1.75u Enter? Pretty common on 40% keyboards.
Unfortunately a few lines above he commented the kits are locked.
I can settle for the assembly kit. But still confused about the base.
This is an GMK keyset not Signatur Plastics.
The "Option" icon key is upside down. This needs to be corrected. It looks idiotic right now. Doesn't matter if a new mold needs to be made - whoever approved the upside down option icon got it wrong. Look up option key on wikipedia if you need to see what it is supposed to look like. There is even a Mac font symbol for it, so I have no idea how it got inverted.
Sigh. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alt_key
Thanks for the reference ;)
The "Option" icon key is upside down. This needs to be corrected. It looks idiotic right now. Doesn't matter if a new mold needs to be made - whoever approved the upside down option icon got it wrong. Look up option key on wikipedia if you need to see what it is supposed to look like. There is even a Mac font symbol for it, so I have no idea how it got inverted.
Its an "Alt" key. Not "Option".
Post by: mimalik on Mon, 01 October 2018, 06:08:13
Does this mean that all the kits on page 1 will be available? Super excited for Beezarre kit and R0/5 keys. Orange alphas in GMK, woot woot.
Thanks for excitement and appreciation. Tho it does not mean the kits will stay as they are. I will look at pricing for each kit and decide if its worth it. If the prices for particular kits are too high then i need to chop it down. In the worst case even remove the kit completely. But i think GMK and Massdrop will work out acceptable condition and i hope i will not be forced to make any changes.
Now I am worried, KB gods....let there be orange. Sincerely hoping, GMK/MD come up with decent pricing that Beezarre kit get to live.
Post by: iliketimex on Mon, 01 October 2018, 10:59:48
Sigh. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alt_key
Sorry I was tired and wasn't being very nice in my post. The Alt key, which I didn't know had its own unique symbol, has an arrow head, distinguishing it from the option key. The icon as it stands right now still looks like an upside down option key to people who are used to looking at that symbol. It doesn't matter, though, it isn't changing. People who are not used to the option symbol should be fine with it. The kits look great overall and I'm sure they will do well on MD.
Post by: upas on Mon, 01 October 2018, 20:29:21
If so, I'm definitely in - even if just for that. That's amazing and I don't think I've seen that done before! (or maybe I just haven't looked hard enough)
If at all possible, when talking to Massdrop/GMK please try to keep those in!
Post by: T0mb3ry on Tue, 02 October 2018, 00:31:19
Now I am worried, KB gods....let there be orange. Sincerely hoping, GMK/MD come up with decent pricing that Beezarre kit get to live.
Pardon. I expressed myself way too dramatic. I've experienced so far only one case where designer had to take actions because of the pricing. So there is a chance i had to make changes but the probability for it is actually low.
Is the spacebar kit really going to have a 2.25U and 2.75U R4c profiled spacebar?
If so, I'm definitely in - even if just for that. That's amazing and I don't think I've seen that done before! (or maybe I just haven't looked hard enough)
If at all possible, when talking to Massdrop/GMK please try to keep those in!
Its highly unlikely that this kit will get changes.
BTW it was unfortunate from me to introduce the R4c term. Its neither row 4 nor row 5 - its a Spacebar. So yes GMK Carbon R2 will introduce 2.25U and 2.75U spacebars.
Post by: speedofsound on Tue, 02 October 2018, 06:49:24
Hello! Love the set and am going to get almost all the kits except NORDE and orange alphas. Made an account to ask some quick questions about a few kits. Questions/requests in order of priority
Novelties -
1. Could you add novelties in ivory text/legend with gray background to match the bone base set mods and the rolling bones kit? Would love to have the hexagon and 6 / 12.011 C in that colorway. Would be very nice to put on top row leftmost key (where people normally put novelties/artisans) and on mods in the r4/r5 rows. Right now the only novelty in that colorway is the 2.25 graphene key.
^ the most important request/question!
2. Is there a reason that the 12 / 6 C novelty is not in this round? Would love to have that in the ivory text on gray background color scheme.
Rolling bones -
1. Would it be possible to have the all suits in both colorways? (Ie: heart and diamond in ivory with gray background, spade and club in orange on gray background). This time rolling bones set has less keys because no 1.5u suits keys, so perhaps this might be possible?
2. Can the dice key be in non-stepped format for those of us with non-stepped keys? There is the option for stepped and non-stepped format in the base kit.
Rolling bones set should be very popular, because so many people are requesting it and paying multiples over initial selling price on r/mechmarket, so I think people would be willing to pay.
Homing keys
1. Would scooped homing keys be an option for this round?
First of all the kits are locked. So its too late for requests for adding keys or changes.
Anyway i want to answer some questions or explain the kits.
Novelties kit.
1. This kit is for Carbon but there are few keys in Bone colorway so people who bought Carbon and Bone could use some novelty keys on Bones to show off its Origin. Also putting Carbon Icons on Super keys in Bone set will give it a nice orange touch. Ivory mods is an extension kit and its there to utilize spare alphas if people buy other alphas. Also you can use Ivory mods for mixing with alphas of other sets. However i dont view Ivory as a base set which deserves some kind of novelty or support in existing novelty kits. Maybe in the next possible drop i will work it out into full base set and then i will introduce its own theme with novelties. But in the end Novelties kit is in the first place for Carbon base kit.
2. The C 6/12 key is not available (please differ the rounds in profiles: this is GMK Carbon Round 2 and GMK Carbon Round 1 did not had that novelty at all) because it does not look good on Cherry profile. The C 6/12.011 is the appropriate version of C 6/12 novelty for Cherry profile.
Rolling bones.
1. This Novelty kit is designed specifically for the Bone base set. And it will stay as such. Its there to push the bone colorway because its less popular than Carbon which is a fact.
2. For the caps lock, i think its ok that the design for the stepped and non stepped caps lock is different. Actually i wanted to use 777 for stepped caps lock but its too wide and i did not want to use the dices on the caps lock at all, because enter has it already. But i had to make compromise and that's why i am using the dices on stepped caps lock. I personally want to leave the 777 as it is.
Rolling bones is semi popular. Again you who prefer Bones are the loudest but Carbon is more popular what ever you might say. Even in the drop of Carbon themed deskmats the Carbon mats outsold Bone greatly. Also Rolling bone is sought after because its rare. It did not sold as well as Carbon Novelties. Tho i wish people would appreciate the things for that they are and not for their rarity. Once things are widely available no body cares for it. This is how things work in this hobby and probably in other hobbies too.
This IC thread is running since July 2018. There was plenty of time to make suggestion. Now there is a lot of stuff to do: like checking the pricing and making renders for the drop. I hope if i start another IC here and if i catch your interest again you will reply and make suggestions before Kit Lock :(
No worries. To clarify I was not referring to ivory mods. I was referring to bone mods. Having the gray background and white novelty symbol matches bone mods (also gray background and white symbols/text)
Was not around during the carbon drops last few years so did not know that it was rare. To me I like rolling bones because it is a unique way of expressing numbers.
Post by: pr0ximity on Tue, 02 October 2018, 21:06:44
Post by: T0mb3ry on Mon, 08 October 2018, 13:03:35
Following is the GMK Render for both new salt icons.
(https://i.imgur.com/Qft9rQm.png)
I am choosing the first one with the larger S, because it has better recognition for the salt shaker.
Here is the updated mockup for the Salty kit.
(https://i.imgur.com/GdgUBuM.png)
Regarding the GMK Trays.
The trays will have the same design like the deskmats. However it will have gray GMK and Massdrop logos in the bottom left corner.
Still in for a Boneyard set, glad to see the R5 mods have survived the IC journey :p
Glad to see people being excited about the vintage rows ^-^
Post by: romevi on Tue, 09 October 2018, 01:03:02
Post by: adamcobabe on Tue, 09 October 2018, 04:28:05
Post by: rioc on Tue, 09 October 2018, 04:38:15
Post by: mrpetrov on Tue, 09 October 2018, 11:30:56
I prefer the shaker on the right.
Me too, but I'll buy either. I'll be getting the base kit, novelties and salty.
Post by: darthzero on Wed, 10 October 2018, 01:18:54
Some of them, 131 as far as the votes go... from potentially 1000+ buyers. Could be that nobody cares like you said but I bet lots will not notice when buying (let’s be real, some ppl on gh don’t read the first post and keep asking things explained there (in general not only here in this thread)) and be some degree of unhappy when they discover it after they shipped.Still in for a Boneyard set, glad to see the R5 mods have survived the IC journey :p
Glad to see people being excited about the vintage rows ^-^
And to people saying “get r1 from mm then“, sry but if that’s your line of argument we shouldn’t have secound rounds (without profound changes) of any keyset, is that what you want?
There is even a kit that makes your set into vintage rows (again, 131 ppl voted for vintage rows... enough to hit moq on the small kit^^) yet vintage rows is all there is.
//correct me if I’m wrong about the numbers, I looked it up yesterday and it was like that with 58 to 42% go vint
Just because it’s described as “vintage“ doesn’t mean it’s good and gmk not doing them on a normal basis suggests that it’s worse. Will buy the salt kit obviously ;)
My last 2 cents here.
GL WGB
Post by: hansichen on Wed, 10 October 2018, 03:20:29
Just because it’s described as “vintage“ doesn’t mean it’s good and gmk not doing them on a normal basis suggests that it’s worse. Will buy the salt kit obviously ;)
My last 2 cents here.
GL WGB
GMK doesn't have molds for 1,25 R5 bottom row. The non-existence of R5 caps is mainly due to the fact that they are unable to produce them until now. There are a few sets (Gmk wob, blue alert, beige and others) which have R5 bottom row.
Post by: T0mb3ry on Wed, 10 October 2018, 11:40:45
gmk not doing them on a normal basis suggests that it’s worse
If GMK is not doing them on normal basis has nothing to do with them being worse but with tooling availability. GMK can make up to 8 1u keys in one production step. That depends on the mold availability and other factors. Say if they have several key molds for a specific key size they can make several keys in one process step and thus making it more cost effective. There are other factors - its not just about molds but fact is that they cant produce row 5 as effective as row 4 keys which makes row 5 more expensive. It has absolutely nothing to do with row 5 being worse than row 4.
Nobody said and nobody can say row 5 being better than row 4 or vise versa. This is just personal preference. There was a vote and those who cared about it made their voice.
I personally have no preference for row 4 or row 5. I enjoy both because i love cherry profile. Its perfection be it with row 4 or row 5. But voting is over and everybody should deal with it. Its just the same as with EU vote about summertime (daylight saving time for US folks), remember? Most of the votes came from Germany because "we" cared about it (i personally did not voted because i had other stuff to do and think about). Now whole EU will get rid off of the summer time because we germans are evil dictators! :))
Post by: mopaska on Wed, 10 October 2018, 12:09:50
because we germans are evil dictators! :))
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Post by: Endeavour1934 on Wed, 10 October 2018, 15:34:26
First of all the kits are locked. So its too late for requests for adding keys or changes.
Disney didn't allow the BB-8 novelty? Sad.
Post by: T0mb3ry on Wed, 10 October 2018, 16:43:07
Disney didn't allow the BB-8 novelty? Sad.
?
Carbon is about chemical element Carbon and Bones is about Bones/Transiens/Gambling(if you consider Rolling Bones kit). None of them has something to do with StarWars. I love StarWars but I don't like to ride the hype i did not caused. The only exception i have is the HalfLife Lambda kit for which i got permission from Gabe Newell and Valve. That explains why HalfLife Lambda kit is a stand alone kit. Keep in mind the Lambda was suggested in SP SA Round 1 and Carbon on itself is not based on any game nor film or what ever. The colorway was done long before i gave it the name Carbon. In the end i am not planning and i've never planned to introduce some kind of StarWars related kit. For me Carbon has no relation to StarWars at all.
Post by: Endeavour1934 on Wed, 10 October 2018, 20:20:13
I know, I know, I was just kidding ;D sorry!Disney didn't allow the BB-8 novelty? Sad.
?
Carbon is about chemical element Carbon and Bones is about Bones/Transiens/Gambling(if you consider Rolling Bones kit). None of them has something to do with StarWars. I love StarWars but I don't like to ride the hype i did not caused. The only exception i have is the HalfLife Lambda kit for which i got permission from Gabe Newell and Valve. That explains why HalfLife Lambda kit is a stand alone kit. Keep in mind the Lambda was suggested in SP SA Round 1 and Carbon on itself is not based on any game nor film or what ever. The colorway was done long before i gave it the name Carbon. In the end i am not planning and i've never planned to introduce some kind of StarWars related kit. For me Carbon has no relation to StarWars at all.
BTW, I've noticed the omission of the new R3 1.75 ^ key on the bone icon mods (I believe it's being made for Modern Dolch), I don't know if it's intentional or not.
Post by: T0mb3ry on Thu, 11 October 2018, 00:03:31
BTW, I've noticed the omission of the new R3 1.75 ^ key on the bone icon mods (I believe it's being made for Modern Dolch), I don't know if it's intentional or not.
That is not intentional because i forgot about that key. However this is also not an error. Once i review pricing for all kits, i might add those keys to the icon kit but i do not a promise.
Btw. control icon on a caps lock key looks weird.
Post by: Endeavour1934 on Thu, 11 October 2018, 03:39:55
Btw. control icon on a caps lock key looks weird.Yes, but maybe it's because we aren't used to it. I still believe consistency-wise it's the right one to use with icon mods. Maybe not so much for Carbon, but for example I think Yuri should benefit from having a layout without english words.
Post by: Myoth on Thu, 11 October 2018, 05:57:25
Post by: T0mb3ry on Mon, 15 October 2018, 10:54:29
UPDATE
Upgrade for Round 1 GMK Carbon
- discarded! Yes unfortunately there will be no Upgrade kit for Round1 because the price for that kit is too high. It costs 30$ less then the base kits which offer more coverage than the round 1 base kit. So overall that kit does not make sense at all. There is also Ivory mods which do cost a lot too, but this is different compared to Upgrade kit because those can be used with other alphas (from other sets too). I am keeping Ivory mods with a slight hope for them to hit their MOQ.
Overall the initial MOQ prices for all kits are beefy but it was always the case. Tho this time the prices are higher due to the new molds and very generous coverage in the kits. The higher MOQs offer of course more acceptable prices. Anyway i expected those high prices for this round and tried always to tell you this in my previous posts.
Also one interesting fact for designers or people who are planning to make a group buy for a GMK Keyset. The Ivory Mods plus one of the Alpha extension do cost around 40$ more than the base kit at the same MOQ. So dont think about splitting GMK keyset in several kits, like it is done for Signature Plastics. GMK sets are always cheaper as one big base set.
Post by: mimalik on Mon, 15 October 2018, 13:47:52
A bit sad on R1 update kit, but happy that others kits are locked. Esp bone mods and orange alphas. Looking fwd to this drop n ready for hit on wallet. I know you been asked this 1K times, but any ETA when it will be available, just so that I don't spend money on something else.
Post by: T0mb3ry on Mon, 15 October 2018, 14:06:15
I know you been asked this 1K times, but any ETA when it will be available, just so that I don't spend money on something else.
There is very high chance for it to drop in November. Say in approx 16 days.
Post by: KaosJ on Mon, 15 October 2018, 15:12:06
I know you been asked this 1K times, but any ETA when it will be available, just so that I don't spend money on something else.
There is very high chance for it to drop in November. Say in approx 16 days.
PLS
YES
JUST DO IT!
Post by: mimalik on Mon, 15 October 2018, 15:39:55
No expectations, just a friendly suggestion :)
Post by: T0mb3ry on Mon, 15 October 2018, 16:01:04
Just wondering if it will be possible to add entire R0 keys for each set of alphas (beezarre/boneyard). Already alternate F keys are included, and if each of alpha sets can be added with remaining 8 F keys? Given R1 update has been canceled. It may increase price slightly as only 8 more keys will be added, but it will give full R0 rows key for Carbon R1 buyers, if they want to use these alphas with old mods pairing.
No expectations, just a friendly suggestion :)
The alphas will be already expensive.... Also it will require more key because of numpad.
Post by: thelaughingman on Mon, 15 October 2018, 20:49:45
Post by: blizzara01 on Mon, 15 October 2018, 23:24:21
Post by: T0mb3ry on Tue, 16 October 2018, 00:23:22
Is there any price quote already? So I know how much I will save. :p
The price quotes are not public and they will be revealed only once the drop goes live. The average price across all kits will be around 90$ for the initial MOQ.
Post by: mimalik on Tue, 16 October 2018, 08:59:45
Post by: Oblotzky on Tue, 16 October 2018, 10:06:49
If you have time to kill, mind creating renders for Ivory mods with Beezarre alphas for a full size kb?
Already on it ;) might not be that specific layout though.
Post by: Darknight00z on Tue, 16 October 2018, 15:35:16
I am happy to provide a more detailed explanation if you require, pm me.
Post by: Parva Ovis on Tue, 16 October 2018, 15:46:05
Also one interesting fact for designers or people who are planning to make a group buy for a GMK Keyset. The Ivory Mods plus one of the Alpha extension do cost around 40$ more than the base kit at the same MOQ. So dont think about splitting GMK keyset in several kits, like it is done for Signature Plastics. GMK sets are always cheaper as one big base set.Sounds like if it weren't for the fact that there are two alpha extensions, it would make more sense to just merge the kits and have a third base kit. Still, I think the amount of choice in this GB will turn out to be worth the extra expense for most people.
Post by: Atredl on Tue, 16 October 2018, 15:59:36
I've got GMK Iris, the tall R0 keys of the F-row raises the height of the plastic lid of the tray. The top corners with the plastic buttons don't work because of the increased height. I hope this issue will be solved, it would suck for 500+ base kits to have this issue. It seems the tray was not designed with the height of r0 in mind and makes the tray less secure.Ohhhh you mean the shipping tray. It took a minute of forehead scrunching but now I understand what you mean. At first I thought you had a keyboard cover and that it was the tray.
I am happy to provide a more detailed explanation if you require, pm me.
Post by: T0mb3ry on Tue, 16 October 2018, 16:08:24
I've got GMK Iris, the tall R0 keys of the F-row raises the height of the plastic lid of the tray. The top corners with the plastic buttons don't work because of the increased height. I hope this issue will be solved, it would suck for 500+ base kits to have this issue. It seems the tray was not designed with the height of r0 in mind and makes the tray less secure.
I am happy to provide a more detailed explanation if you require, pm me.
I got these concerns too about R0 not fitting the GMK tray. So i was right in this regard. But i got already solution for it. Base kits are huge and they will not fit the tray anyway. So there will be some keys which will be packed separately from the base set. So my idea is to put all R0 keys in one separate packaging. I will talk to GMK in this regard ;)
Post by: Darknight00z on Tue, 16 October 2018, 16:45:14
I've got GMK Iris, the tall R0 keys of the F-row raises the height of the plastic lid of the tray. The top corners with the plastic buttons don't work because of the increased height. I hope this issue will be solved, it would suck for 500+ base kits to have this issue. It seems the tray was not designed with the height of r0 in mind and makes the tray less secure.
I am happy to provide a more detailed explanation if you require, pm me.
I got these concerns too about R0 not fitting the GMK tray. So i was right in this regard. But i got already solution for it. Base kits are huge and they will not fit the tray anyway. So there will be some keys which will be packed separately from the base set. So my idea is to put all R0 keys in one separate packaging. I will talk to GMK in this regard ;)
Thats great! Thanks for thinking ahead.
Post by: Wetherbee on Wed, 17 October 2018, 01:45:07
It is a bit off topic, especially given this set uses R0 and R5, but does anyone know why GMK sets don't typically run with the windowed LED caps?
GMK Muted had them and I thought they were brilliant.
Post by: OracleKev on Wed, 17 October 2018, 01:54:10
It is a bit off topic, especially given this set uses R0 and R5, but does anyone know why GMK sets don't typically run with the windowed LED caps?
GMK Muted had them and I thought they were brilliant.
This was $35. And they are not doubleshot.
Post by: appaboy on Wed, 17 October 2018, 01:57:09
Post by: Endeavour1934 on Wed, 17 October 2018, 08:30:53
Well, technically the window is doubleshot, but since they can't tripleshot, the legend is just pad printed. ;D
It is a bit off topic, especially given this set uses R0 and R5, but does anyone know why GMK sets don't typically run with the windowed LED caps?
GMK Muted had them and I thought they were brilliant.
This was $35. And they are not doubleshot.
Post by: OracleKev on Wed, 17 October 2018, 08:35:44
Well, technically the window is doubleshot, but since they can't tripleshot, the legend is just pad printed. ;D
It is a bit off topic, especially given this set uses R0 and R5, but does anyone know why GMK sets don't typically run with the windowed LED caps?
GMK Muted had them and I thought they were brilliant.
This was $35. And they are not doubleshot.
It’s good that windows aren’t pad printed ;)
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Post by: Endeavour1934 on Wed, 17 October 2018, 08:41:41
I believe windows 9x keys are also pad printed ;DWell, technically the window is doubleshot, but since they can't tripleshot, the legend is just pad printed. ;D
It is a bit off topic, especially given this set uses R0 and R5, but does anyone know why GMK sets don't typically run with the windowed LED caps?
GMK Muted had them and I thought they were brilliant.
This was $35. And they are not doubleshot.
It’s good that windows aren’t pad printed ;)
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Post by: ctrl on Wed, 17 October 2018, 08:50:33
IMHO, please consider including different sizes: 1.25u Alt Gr for standard layouts, 1.5u for HHKB/WKL and 1u for ortho/ergo/40%/60%-with-arrows layouts. Personally I could do without the 1.5u one, but I'm sure it's popular enough amongst others.
Post by: Endeavour1934 on Wed, 17 October 2018, 09:04:56
I too second the inclusion of Alt Gr keys. I do not care whether it's in the base kit (that's already a no from what I understand), in any other kit or as a standalone kit. It would just be so damn nice to finally be able to get a GMK keyset with the Alt Gr keys there.I'd also like Alt Gr keys, but it's not really a deal breaker for me.
IMHO, please consider including different sizes: 1.25u Alt Gr for standard layouts, 1.5u for HHKB/WKL and 1u for ortho/ergo/40%/60%-with-arrows layouts. Personally I could do without the 1.5u one, but I'm sure it's popular enough amongst others.
Speaking of deal breakers...
I've noticed that GMK is slowly changing the legends on some keycaps: The G from the recent hiragana keys is different, and now on Burgundy R2 I've also noticed that the legends of the symbols on @2 and #3 are clearly different from the old ones. Are they going to change any more of them?
While I understand that most people don't care about this, I personally think that some of the handcrafted symbols are kinda iconic, like the large ^ over the 6 or the stretched #, but GMK seems to be slowly replacing them all.
I think this should be a concern also for fans of old/vintage sets, but I don't really know, maybe I am the only one that cares about this :(
Post by: T0mb3ry on Wed, 17 October 2018, 11:07:04
Kits are locked
Post by: coffeeshopcoder on Wed, 17 October 2018, 16:17:36
Post by: amnesia0287 on Wed, 17 October 2018, 16:27:06
It is a bit off topic, especially given this set uses R0 and R5, but does anyone know why GMK sets don't typically run with the windowed LED caps?
GMK Muted had them and I thought they were brilliant.
The windowed caps are printed.
Anyway, I’m very sad that all the kits are doing R0/5 with no alternative options. I was planning to get a couple bone sets, but r0/5 is awful imo. It’s my least favorite part about my iris set. I could probably deal with r5, even if I hate it, but r0 is completely unusable for some layouts, it’s a LOT taller than a normal cap. So with like 75 it looks like absolute ****.
Oh well, better for my wallet I guess.
Post by: zzzaacchh on Wed, 17 October 2018, 16:35:43
Post by: mopaska on Wed, 17 October 2018, 17:20:43
It is a bit off topic, especially given this set uses R0 and R5, but does anyone know why GMK sets don't typically run with the windowed LED caps?
GMK Muted had them and I thought they were brilliant.
The windowed caps are printed.
Anyway, I’m very sad that all the kits are doing R0/5 with no alternative options. I was planning to get a couple bone sets, but r0/5 is awful imo. It’s my least favorite part about my iris set. I could probably deal with r5, even if I hate it, but r0 is completely unusable for some layouts, it’s a LOT taller than a normal cap. So with like 75 it looks like absolute ****.
Oh well, better for my wallet I guess.
I feel like part of this is personal preference. On a 75% layout R1 R1 for first two rows actually vexes me - it feels off, I guess because I'm seeing each row right next to each other. But on TKL where there is space between function row and number row, R1 R1 feels and looks right.
Hard to describe. But since I've never owned a set with R0, I'm not going to knock it till I've tried it. And then I will see if I find myself in the same boat as you :)
Post by: elfick on Wed, 17 October 2018, 17:29:29
Do you have pics of r0 on a 75? That's actually why I was considering getting this but if it's no good, I may skip entirely as I'm definitely not a fan of r5.
It is a bit off topic, especially given this set uses R0 and R5, but does anyone know why GMK sets don't typically run with the windowed LED caps?
GMK Muted had them and I thought they were brilliant.
The windowed caps are printed.
Anyway, I’m very sad that all the kits are doing R0/5 with no alternative options. I was planning to get a couple bone sets, but r0/5 is awful imo. It’s my least favorite part about my iris set. I could probably deal with r5, even if I hate it, but r0 is completely unusable for some layouts, it’s a LOT taller than a normal cap. So with like 75 it looks like absolute ****.
Oh well, better for my wallet I guess.
Thanks!
Post by: T0mb3ry on Thu, 18 October 2018, 00:04:29
Anyway, I’m very sad that all the kits are doing R0/5 with no alternative options. I was planning to get a couple bone sets, but r0/5 is awful imo. It’s my least favorite part about my iris set. I could probably deal with r5, even if I hate it, but r0 is completely unusable for some layouts, it’s a LOT taller than a normal cap. So with like 75 it looks like absolute ****.
R1 R1 looks odd on 75%.
(https://farm2.staticflickr.com/1850/43979176654_b0aef428db_k.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/2a1hM1s)IMG_7661 (https://flic.kr/p/2a1hM1s) by T0mb3ry (https://www.flickr.com/photos/151659186@N03/), auf Flickr
R0 will separate it visually which will look better.
(https://farm5.staticflickr.com/4471/36996430604_513bec7620_k.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/YnfnTb)IMG_3611 (https://flic.kr/p/YnfnTb) by T0mb3ry (https://www.flickr.com/photos/151659186@N03/), auf Flickr
Otherwise more people (there are some snowflakes who complained about it) would complain more about R1 on SA profile.
Post by: ctrl on Thu, 18 October 2018, 01:26:06
I too second the inclusion of Alt Gr keys. I do not care whether it's in the base kit (that's already a no from what I understand), in any other kit or as a standalone kit. It would just be so damn nice to finally be able to get a GMK keyset with the Alt Gr keys there.I'd also like Alt Gr keys, but it's not really a deal breaker for me.
IMHO, please consider including different sizes: 1.25u Alt Gr for standard layouts, 1.5u for HHKB/WKL and 1u for ortho/ergo/40%/60%-with-arrows layouts. Personally I could do without the 1.5u one, but I'm sure it's popular enough amongst others.
Speaking of deal breakers...
I've noticed that GMK is slowly changing the legends on some keycaps: The G from the recent hiragana keys is different, and now on Burgundy R2 I've also noticed that the legends of the symbols on @2 and #3 are clearly different from the old ones. Are they going to change any more of them?
While I understand that most people don't care about this, I personally think that some of the handcrafted symbols are kinda iconic, like the large ^ over the 6 or the stretched #, but GMK seems to be slowly replacing them all.
I think this should be a concern also for fans of old/vintage sets, but I don't really know, maybe I am the only one that cares about this :(
I just want to remind that its too late for suggestions because
Kits are locked
That's too bad. I really like the set, but for me that's a dealbreaker. :(
Here's to hoping one day there'll be a new GMK set with Alt Gr included.
Also, I had no idea the old GMK legends were slowly being phased out. I wonder if the old ones are scrapped entirely or if they are available upon request.
Post by: Poesjuh on Thu, 18 October 2018, 06:02:31
can agree on that. But regular alt works for me as well :PSent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
Post by: rondg on Thu, 18 October 2018, 06:04:24
Post by: Oblotzky on Thu, 18 October 2018, 06:20:50
How long will the drop be? I hope it's more than 2 weeks... :(
Should be in the 3-4 weeks range
Post by: Okonomiyaki#2832 on Thu, 18 October 2018, 07:08:09
Post by: jihadu on Thu, 18 October 2018, 07:25:25
No more R5 upgrade kits for owners with R1 Carbon? :(T0mb3ry said it would cost a lot more per key than the base sets, therefore making it hard to reach MOQ
Post by: appaboy on Thu, 18 October 2018, 07:28:09
Post by: fn on Thu, 18 October 2018, 08:36:41
Post by: T0mb3ry on Thu, 18 October 2018, 11:06:40
No more R5 upgrade kits for owners with R1 Carbon? :(As i said its too expensive to make any sense.
Will there be any row 0 support for 1800 keys that match up with the frow?
Yes its there just look for row 0 in the bottom half of the base kit mock-ups.
has anyone tried a R5 bottom row on a Planck - is R2345 too much? Thanks! :thumb:
If you look at Assembly kit (which is designed for Planck) you will see rows 2344. Usually i know Plancks only with 0 degree case but if you have angled Planck case you can use it with R5 keys from the base kit or mix of novelties and lambda keys.
Post by: T0mb3ry on Thu, 18 October 2018, 11:18:04
My orange Preonic case is ready for this. I know GMK has standard legend 1u and 1.5u modifiers, so why is assembly preferred for ortho/ergodox lately? I'm just curious.
Because Assembly is more versatile (each key can act as any key) and thus makes the kit smaller. Otherwise if i would do for example only standard labels for those layouts it would require far more keys and it will cost crazy amount of money. The current Assembly kit has already beefy price and i don't want to know how much it would cost with proper labels.
Post by: zzzaacchh on Thu, 18 October 2018, 12:30:51
My orange Preonic case is ready for this. I know GMK has standard legend 1u and 1.5u modifiers, so why is assembly preferred for ortho/ergodox lately? I'm just curious.
Because Assembly is more versatile (each key can act as any key) and thus makes the kit smaller. Otherwise if i would do for example only standard labels for those layouts it would require far more keys and it will cost crazy amount of money. The current Assembly kit has already beefy price and i don't want to know how much it would cost with proper labels.
That makes sense, thanks!
Post by: kolyz on Thu, 18 October 2018, 12:45:57
Post by: Wetherbee on Fri, 19 October 2018, 16:49:33
Is there any chance that the colors for the Boneyard alphas would match the alphas in GMK Space Cadet? They look very close.
Otherwise fantastic set as is. I can see no flaws and I'm in for all kits.
Post by: Oblotzky on Fri, 19 October 2018, 17:16:43
Is there any chance that the colors for the Boneyard alphas would match the alphas in GMK Space Cadet? They look very close.
Otherwise fantastic set as is. I can see no flaws and I'm in for all kits.
Nope. Carbon Modifiers (and Boneyard alphas) are color matched to SP's GQM, while Space Cadet alphas are colormatched to SP's GD. SA Oblivion uses GQM for mods and GD for alphas. So you can look at this picture to get an idea of the color difference
(https://i.imgur.com/5RjI1jJ.jpg)
Post by: T0mb3ry on Sat, 20 October 2018, 03:47:50
Bone Icon extension kit
- Added missing Control keys for Caps Lock replacement.
(https://i.imgur.com/QY03WJL.png)
Post by: Wetherbee on Sat, 20 October 2018, 07:39:44
I often wonder if I'm the only one who prefers the handbag Capslock symbol.
Post by: Endeavour1934 on Sat, 20 October 2018, 07:49:07
I also prefer the handbag.
I often wonder if I'm the only one who prefers the handbag Capslock symbol.
The down arrow is a bit confusing, even GMK screwed it up in Yuri (they made a 1.75 r3 up arrow and 1.75 r4 down arrow, but it was later fixed) :))
Post by: hansichen on Sat, 20 October 2018, 08:04:37
Post by: KaosJ on Sat, 20 October 2018, 13:53:10
I often wonder if I'm the only one who prefers the handbag Capslock symbol.
Me too!
Post by: wholypantalones on Sat, 20 October 2018, 15:44:10
I often wonder if I'm the only one who prefers the handbag Capslock symbol.
The down arrow just doesn't do it for me, but the handbag isn't that great either.
The control cap that replaces the caps lock, the num lock and scroll lock are always just text with icon mods. Why not just simply "caps lock" instead of the purse or down arrow?
Post by: hansichen on Sat, 20 October 2018, 18:41:44
Post by: OracleKev on Sat, 20 October 2018, 22:53:24
"Caps Lock" text wouldn't make any sense on an icon mod board. And it's too late anyway.
Ditto. Between hbg and dnarw, prefer handbag but no change is fine.
Preference will be split anyway.
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Post by: Sshimosawa on Sun, 21 October 2018, 02:36:43
Post by: wholypantalones on Sun, 21 October 2018, 07:30:52
"Caps Lock" text wouldn't make any sense on an icon mod board. And it's too late anyway.
You didn't even read my comment and you're just being dismissive.
Post by: T0mb3ry on Sun, 21 October 2018, 08:26:41
This is Caps Lock:
(https://cdn4.iconfinder.com/data/icons/proglyphs-computers-and-development/512/Caps_Lock-512.png)
and this is Shift Lock:
(https://clip2art.com/images/drawn-sign-arrow-14.jpg)
Source is in German language: https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Feststelltaste
So it seems like the shift lock is the German standard. At least how its documented in Wikipedia pictures.
Anyway i prefer the Shift Lock because its clean and that why i am using it. This is my design choice.
(https://farm1.staticflickr.com/793/27598219838_36add27517_k.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/J3L6fw)IMG_5595 (https://flic.kr/p/J3L6fw) by T0mb3ry (https://www.flickr.com/photos/151659186@N03/), auf Flickr
The kits are locked but if the drop snowballs like the first GMK Carbon drop (which i don't believe will happen) i might consider to offer one extra kit with handbag caps lock keys and some other keys.
Post by: dorf on Sun, 21 October 2018, 12:22:02
... and some other keys.
Alt Gr?
Post by: T0mb3ry on Sun, 21 October 2018, 12:36:22
Alt Gr?
That's a possible key for such extra kit. However i did not promise it. I just said i consider it if the drop goes well. There are few kits which i would love to see happen but i did not included those because there are already too many kits available. So overall if the drop goes well i might consider to add those kits during the drop or afterwards as it happened with GMK Carbon R1. Again - there is no promise for this to happen.
Post by: haydoselefantes on Sun, 21 October 2018, 17:55:11
Update
Bone Icon extension kit
- Added missing Control keys for Caps Lock replacement.Show Image(https://i.imgur.com/QY03WJL.png)
I know the kits are locked. I know I’m way too late.
I somehow completely missed this icon kit, probably because I have no interest in bone. But after finally noticing it, I have to say I would be incredibly interested in an Icon extension in the carbon colorway.
It would be huge for me to use those icons for an Apple layout. I would use the diamond/meta icon for the Apple command key and the Alt icon for the Apple option key. (Yes, I know alt and option are not the same). The power icon would be great too.
This is the first GMK set since I joined where I’d be happy with the representation of the Apple bottom row.
Post by: TastyNico on Mon, 22 October 2018, 16:36:53
Best colorway + best profile! I will definitely pick up a Carbon base kit and a NORDEUK kit. Maybe even a Novelty kit if my budget allows for it.
Post by: Oblotzky on Mon, 22 October 2018, 18:05:35
(https://i.imgur.com/sNMZcS6.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/LNbdtk7.jpg)
Post by: romevi on Mon, 22 October 2018, 23:42:59
Post by: ilouis_07 on Tue, 23 October 2018, 04:32:58
Post by: lazyfart on Tue, 23 October 2018, 13:43:20
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Post by: T0mb3ry on Tue, 23 October 2018, 17:27:00
(https://i.imgur.com/fcn0jVh.png)
(https://i.imgur.com/tlv2uLV.png)
Post by: Zuology on Tue, 23 October 2018, 17:31:52
Some awesome renders from Oblotzky ;)Show Image(https://i.imgur.com/fcn0jVh.png)Show Image(https://i.imgur.com/tlv2uLV.png)
First one is my fav and my nose bleedsShow Image(https://media1.tenor.com/images/d7d2ec7f66bafef5641bd748303cf0b3/tenor.gif)
oh damn that bone/ivory looks sooooo good.
Did I miss something with that color option being offered in space cadet, or the LISP sub-legends got added to this buy, or is that just an imaginary thing to show off in the render and make us all thirsty af?
Post by: T0mb3ry on Tue, 23 October 2018, 17:36:24
Did I miss something with that color option being offered in space cadet, or the LISP sub-legends got added to this buy, or is that just an imaginary thing to show off in the render and make us all thirsty af?
haha no its just Oblotzky's wild fantasies lol. Damn you Oblotzky!
Post by: Zuology on Tue, 23 October 2018, 17:41:32
Post by: RETURNISO on Tue, 23 October 2018, 18:20:56
Did I miss something with that color option being offered in space cadet, or the LISP sub-legends got added to this buy, or is that just an imaginary thing to show off in the render and make us all thirsty af?
haha no its just Oblotzky's wild fantasies lol. Damn you Oblotzky!
That calls for kit nr 20! :p
Post by: Wetherbee on Tue, 23 October 2018, 19:20:04
I would kill for that Space Cadet Colorway.
My biggest gripe with GMK Space Cadet was that the non-standard F-row colors make it so I couldn't easily swap the space cadet alphas onto the mods from another GMK set. Now Oblotsky is just teasing with renders! :eek:
Post by: mik1 on Tue, 23 October 2018, 23:06:57
(Wider NorDe conversation here https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=97874)
Post by: Atredl on Wed, 24 October 2018, 00:56:02
Hi, just a practical question, does any design like this exist in all white on black with NorDe?Bud, I know you’re just trying to find a keyset but spamming a bunch of threads isn’t really the way to go about it.
(Wider NorDe conversation here https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=97874)
For the record, white on black keysets exist but NorDe is going to be a real pain and a half. There might be an old keyboard with old cherry keys that has what you’re looking for but I don’t know where to find that.
Post by: RETURNISO on Wed, 24 October 2018, 04:40:42
Hi, just a practical question, does any design like this exist in all white on black with NorDe?
(Wider NorDe conversation here https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=97874)
The closest you will get is the KBDfans BoW set, i am on my 3 year of waiting on a WoB set with a norde kit :(
your best chance ATM is to go with the bone base kit for a minimal look of carbon :thumb:
Post by: Endeavour1934 on Wed, 24 October 2018, 04:43:01
Interesting conversation which made me think more about the icons and their meaning. And i had to do some research about it and here is the result:Yup, I remember that cut arrow on caps lock on older spanish keyboards.
This is Caps Lock:Show Image(https://cdn4.iconfinder.com/data/icons/proglyphs-computers-and-development/512/Caps_Lock-512.png)
Anyway i prefer the Shift Lock because its clean and that why i am using it. This is my design choice.
BTW, I also like the novelties on caps lock (sadly it's only available on the beezarre and bones kits), maybe that way I can finally try a winkeyless layout using caps lock as winkey. :D
Post by: romevi on Wed, 24 October 2018, 11:42:15
Post by: mimalik on Wed, 24 October 2018, 13:29:35
haha no its just Oblotzky's wild fantasies lol. Damn you Oblotzky!
Dang!!! imagine them ivory mods with space cadet blue alphas.....habana habana. So glad that I went with both alphas in space cadet drop. R0/5 renders are amazing, they look very sleek and just right visually. The tall R0 makes the whole set pop. I never knew they existed, wonder why no one else use them in GMK drops.
Was planning on Ivory mods + Beezarre + Warning Signs kits, but now I will probably go for base set too. Now only if Carbon SA is dropped again, missed the boat on that one.
Post by: bdkrzy on Fri, 26 October 2018, 07:45:55
haha no its just Oblotzky's wild fantasies lol. Damn you Oblotzky!
Dang!!! imagine them ivory mods with space cadet blue alphas.....habana habana. So glad that I went with both alphas in space cadet drop. R0/5 renders are amazing, they look very sleek and just right visually. The tall R0 makes the whole set pop. I never knew they existed, wonder why no one else use them in GMK drops.
Was planning on Ivory mods + Beezarre + Warning Signs kits, but now I will probably go for base set too. Now only if Carbon SA is dropped again, missed the boat on that one.
Very naice choice. I don't like the blue alphas so much, so its' going to be iovry mods + gray alphas for me. Glad we have the same idea :p
Post by: jihadu on Fri, 26 October 2018, 08:19:16
The reason why it was not commonly used is because Cherry (and therefore GMK ) never made a 1.25 U r5 key mold and most modern boards use a 1.25 bottom row. Also R0 is pretty tall and not to everyone's liking. For example, Keyboard & Co used R5 for it's winkeyless bottom row, but not R0 for the function rowhaha no its just Oblotzky's wild fantasies lol. Damn you Oblotzky!
Dang!!! imagine them ivory mods with space cadet blue alphas.....habana habana. So glad that I went with both alphas in space cadet drop. R0/5 renders are amazing, they look very sleek and just right visually. The tall R0 makes the whole set pop. I never knew they existed, wonder why no one else use them in GMK drops.
Was planning on Ivory mods + Beezarre + Warning Signs kits, but now I will probably go for base set too. Now only if Carbon SA is dropped again, missed the boat on that one.
Plus there is the added inconvenience that R0 is too tal for the current GMK trays
Post by: zzzaacchh on Fri, 26 October 2018, 12:53:39
Post by: T0mb3ry on Fri, 26 October 2018, 13:42:04
(https://i.imgur.com/ejscTGH.png)
(https://i.imgur.com/O4lJiVK.png)
(https://i.imgur.com/v76ojLs.png)
So, this is dropping after Susuwatari?
Probably ;)
Post by: asphyxia on Fri, 26 October 2018, 15:48:10
Post by: T0mb3ry on Sun, 28 October 2018, 03:16:26
(https://i.imgur.com/cAjhY4z.png)
So far that's it for the renders.
The pricing and MOQ are ready. Probably in the upcoming days/weeks there will be more information revealed.
Post by: wholypantalones on Sun, 28 October 2018, 06:27:25
Post by: Endeavour1934 on Sun, 28 October 2018, 11:11:25
Some 012345 renders from Oblotzky ;)Damn, if R0 really looks like that on 75% keyboards, it's going to make all my other GMK sets obsolete.Show Image(https://i.imgur.com/ejscTGH.png)Show Image(https://i.imgur.com/O4lJiVK.png)Show Image(https://i.imgur.com/v76ojLs.png)So, this is dropping after Susuwatari?Probably ;)
Post by: T0mb3ry on Sun, 28 October 2018, 11:30:27
Some 012345 renders from Oblotzky ;)Damn, if R0 really looks like that on 75% keyboards, it's going to make all my other GMK sets obsolete.Show Image(https://i.imgur.com/ejscTGH.png)Show Image(https://i.imgur.com/O4lJiVK.png)Show Image(https://i.imgur.com/v76ojLs.png)So, this is dropping after Susuwatari?Probably ;)
You got the point why i am going for R0. As i said previously: I love 75% layout but R1 for the function row on such layout looks weird. R0 separates it visually from the number row.
I would love to see a boneyard base set with boneyard alphas render. ;D
Oblotzky will make one ;)
Post by: ideus on Sun, 28 October 2018, 15:59:00
Post by: T0mb3ry on Sun, 28 October 2018, 16:01:44
Why the upgrade kit for R1 was dropped. I am sure it was previously discussed, but it was not able to find it.
It was too expensive. How much expensive? Well if you add 30 bucks to the price of the upgrade kit you can get one of the base sets (with more keys and far better coverage than round 1). Once the drop goes live you can figure on the base kit price the price of the upgrade kit.
Post by: ideus on Sun, 28 October 2018, 16:16:27
Why the upgrade kit for R1 was dropped. I am sure it was previously discussed, but it was not able to find it.
It was too expensive. How much expensive? Well if you add 30 bucks to the price of the upgrade kit you can get one of the base sets (with more keys and far better coverage than round 1). Once the drop goes live you can figure on the base kit price the price of the upgrade kit.
It is totally understandable. The design is so great. You are pioneering GMK set design, one more time. Thank you for the hard work. I just hope my wallet would be not that thin by the time you drop this.
Post by: T0mb3ry on Sun, 28 October 2018, 17:10:21
It is totally understandable. The design is so great. You are pioneering GMK set design, one more time. Thank you for the hard work. I just hope my wallet would be not that thin by the time you drop this.
Thanks for the kind words but technically i am not pioneering but reviving vintage cherry rows. There are already GMK sets with r0 and r5. Here i am only introducing the r5 1.25u key plus the 2.25u and 2.75u spacebars. Carbon is popular and its the right thing to introduce these keys.
I hope the base kits will get enough units so those will become affordable for as many enthusiasts (not everyone is willing to cash out 100+ for small pieces for plastic :)) ) as possible.
Post by: KaosJ on Sun, 28 October 2018, 18:02:19
Post by: Darknight00z on Sun, 28 October 2018, 21:51:08
Hey Tomb3ry, can you reveal at this point how much will be the wait for this to drop?
I would imagine the drop will start a few days after MT3 susuwatari ends.
Post by: T0mb3ry on Mon, 29 October 2018, 00:58:56
Hey Tomb3ry, can you reveal at this point how much will be the wait for this to drop?
Unfortunately not. All i can say is, its dropping soon™.
Post by: Endeavour1934 on Mon, 29 October 2018, 08:32:33
I was always convinced by R0, not so much about R5. Thankfully I have GMK Carbon R1, so worst case I can still use 0-1-2-3-4-4.Some 012345 renders from Oblotzky ;)Damn, if R0 really looks like that on 75% keyboards, it's going to make all my other GMK sets obsolete.Show Image(https://i.imgur.com/ejscTGH.png)Show Image(https://i.imgur.com/O4lJiVK.png)Show Image(https://i.imgur.com/v76ojLs.png)So, this is dropping after Susuwatari?Probably ;)
You got the point why i am going for R0. As i said previously: I love 75% layout but R1 for the function row on such layout looks weird. R0 separates it visually from the number row.
Post by: T0mb3ry on Mon, 29 October 2018, 12:35:59
Umka mods
- Ivory is banned in the most countries and in order to prevent any suspicion by customs, Ivory mods has been renamed to Umka mods.
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Post by: jihadu on Mon, 29 October 2018, 13:02:25
UpdateRofl
Umka mods
- Ivory is banned in EU and in order to prevent any suspicion by customs, Ivory mods has been renamed to Umka mods.Show Image(https://i.imgur.com/762KcDY.png)
Post by: Oblotzky on Mon, 29 October 2018, 13:14:11
UpdateRofl
Umka mods
- Ivory is banned in EU and in order to prevent any suspicion by customs, Ivory mods has been renamed to Umka mods.Show Image(https://i.imgur.com/762KcDY.png)
You can never be too careful ;) I wouldn't be surprised if someone in Germany that bought a Dolch set had to open the package at the customs office because Dolch is the German word for dagger, and knife imports are highly regulated.
In other news, just finished rendering all the kits as well. Stay tuned for drop.
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Post by: T0mb3ry on Mon, 29 October 2018, 13:29:04
(https://media.tenor.com/images/0b472d6a77a01c9c0a5f00387045c6ef/tenor.gif)
Nice renders buddy. Appreciate your support ;)
Post by: clik_clak on Mon, 29 October 2018, 13:31:59
Post by: mimalik on Mon, 29 October 2018, 13:33:40
Post by: T0mb3ry on Mon, 29 October 2018, 13:35:36
So Carbon Cadet Alphas is dropping as well or just Oblotzky fanatasies? I sincerely hope it does.
Yes Carbon Cadet is dropping too ;)
Post by: mimalik on Mon, 29 October 2018, 13:39:28
So Carbon Cadet Alphas is dropping as well or just Oblotzky fanatasies? I sincerely hope it does.
Yes Carbon Cadet is dropping too ;)
YESSSSSS!!!! Thx u both tons, best back to back drops ever, SC n Carbon with enough variety to play around set combos for ages.
Post by: Oblotzky on Mon, 29 October 2018, 17:15:48
Post by: T0mb3ry on Mon, 29 October 2018, 17:26:06
Post by: thelaughingman on Mon, 29 October 2018, 20:29:23
(https://i.imgur.com/15A9IMb.png)
I was really hoping to get the grey cadet alpha to go with the
If I want best compatibility and economy, Bone base + Carbon cadet is best, but then I would love that Bone Icon kit too. Then there's the full Umka option = Umka mods + carbon cadet -> missing number row, Rolling bones can fix that. But then missing spacebar, what do I do now?
Damn you!!! (in the nicest sense of the word) my wallet is screaming already :-\
EDIT1: if I got Bone base + Umka + Rolling Bone + Bone Icon that will cover 2 boards now, 1 TKL & 1 60-65% ish, of course have to be different spacebar size cause there's no spacebar kit here. You see what I'm talking about here man? Crazy thoughts, crazy...
Post by: Hamel on Tue, 30 October 2018, 00:14:08
Post by: T0mb3ry on Tue, 30 October 2018, 01:09:35
Wait, so a salty kit will include only carbon colorways or all the other colorways displayed in render?Every kit displays the keys it will come with.
WTF am I seeing here??? :eek: :eek: :eek:Show Image(https://i.imgur.com/15A9IMb.png)
I was really hoping to get the grey cadet alpha to go with theIvoryoops Umka mods but now all sorts of crazy thoughts are going here.
If I want best compatibility and economy, Bone base + Carbon cadet is best, but then I would love that Bone Icon kit too. Then there's the full Umka option = Umka mods + carbon cadet -> missing number row, Rolling bones can fix that. But then missing spacebar, what do I do now?
Damn you!!! (in the nicest sense of the word) my wallet is screaming already :-\
EDIT1: if I got Bone base + Umka + Rolling Bone + Bone Icon that will cover 2 boards now, 1 TKL & 1 60-65% ish, of course have to be different spacebar size cause there's no spacebar kit here. You see what I'm talking about here man? Crazy thoughts, crazy...
Keep in mind Carbon Cadet is missing not only numbers but other alphas to fill a standard alphas layout. Its not complete alphas but only necessary ones to make it cheaper and affordable.
On the other hand 40% user may utilize the Carbon Cadet without need to buy one of the base sets. The 4 missing alphas can be filled with some novelties for example ;)
Post by: superdoedoe on Tue, 30 October 2018, 05:15:07
Post by: thelaughingman on Tue, 30 October 2018, 07:09:48
Keep in mind Carbon Cadet is missing not only numbers but other alphas to fill a standard alphas layout. Its not complete alphas but only necessary ones to make it cheaper and affordable.
On the other hand 40% user may utilize the Carbon Cadet without need to buy one of the base sets. The 4 missing alphas can be filled with some novelties for example ;)
Now Novelties is in the mix... my poor brain :-X
Post by: T0mb3ry on Tue, 30 October 2018, 12:20:27
just a question - The base kit uses text + icon which is great, but why do all the other kits dropping only use Icon Only?
Just answered it on the first page: https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=96488.msg2633872#msg2633872
Read the last answer.
Also it brings variety some like only icons some like icons and words...
Post by: mimalik on Tue, 30 October 2018, 12:50:22
Keep in mind Carbon Cadet is missing not only numbers but other alphas to fill a standard alphas layout. Its not complete alphas but only necessary ones to make it cheaper and affordable.
On the other hand 40% user may utilize the Carbon Cadet without need to buy one of the base sets. The 4 missing alphas can be filled with some novelties for example ;)
Now Novelties is in the mix... my poor brain :-X
I know your pain, I only wanted orange alphas, I will end up getting most of the kits, including umka, carbon cadet.
Post by: T0mb3ry on Tue, 30 October 2018, 17:20:04
I will close this IC thread tomorrow or when drop goes live.
Anyway you can discuss here the MOQ and Pricing sheet. I will answer also questions if you got any.
Post by: itskuroi on Tue, 30 October 2018, 17:22:19
Post by: Poesjuh on Tue, 30 October 2018, 17:34:48
Even though I really really want(ed) to join this, with the kits I would like (bone base, space, novel and salt) I’m looking at a potential price of somewhere between $300 and $400 (already calculated custom fees here). I think I’m gonna have to pass.
But.... glws!!! :) Hope it does amazing and all these prices drop!
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Post by: megaforce on Tue, 30 October 2018, 17:48:28
Post by: Oblotzky on Tue, 30 October 2018, 17:54:27
Ooooofffff. First some constructive criticism. Love the work put into this and the info page. What I’m missing is more renders of the sets on keyboards. At the very least bone base, something with bizar and something with bone alpha’s.
Even though I really really want(ed) to join this, with the kits I would like (bone base, space, novel and salt) I’m looking at a potential price of somewhere between $300 and $400 (already calculated custom fees here). I think I’m gonna have to pass.
But.... glws!!! :) Hope it does amazing and all these prices drop!
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I rendered every combination that makes sense I think, though they are spread across the pages, so here they are again all in one place:
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Post by: mimalik on Tue, 30 October 2018, 18:09:41
Post by: Poesjuh on Tue, 30 October 2018, 18:15:40
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Post by: T0mb3ry on Tue, 30 October 2018, 19:11:12
However i suggest not to focus on initial pricing. Look through the higher MOQs and decide what you really need and join for those kits. At the end you always free to leave the drop or change the order if specific kits don't meet your desired MOQ.
Post by: 8six753o9 on Tue, 30 October 2018, 19:44:36
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Post by: T0mb3ry on Tue, 30 October 2018, 19:52:05
I think the price of the base kit is fine compared to some other kits I’ve seen *cough*GMK DMG*cough*. The prices for the Umka mods and Beezaree/Boneyard alphas are a little higher than I expected, but I guess that’s why it’s cheaper to buy mods/alphas in one base kit instead of buying mods and alphas separately.
The separated Umka mods and one of the alphas is actually the reason (about which i talked previously) for not splitting base sets. Compared to a base set its ~60$ more expensive at 250 moq. But also Umka mods are expensive because they have MOQ of 50 like NorDeUK kit and DC kit.
Post by: mimalik on Tue, 30 October 2018, 20:03:12
As i've said previously, the prices are beefy. And there is a reason for it. The coverage is very generous and there are also new molds for the R5 1.25u keys. Overall the pricing is justified but it does not change the fact that those are expensive.
However i suggest not to focus on initial pricing. Look through the higher MOQs and decide what you really need and join for those kits. At the end you always free to leave the drop or change the order if specific kits don't meet your desired MOQ.
Definitely, I think prices are reasonable for what we are getting, I think most have eyes on multiple kits, which just add up. Overall not as expensive as I was expecting, slightly higher but reasonable. I had initially eight kits planned. I am going for 4 kits that I always intended others may be if my wallet allows it.
Post by: Wetherbee on Tue, 30 October 2018, 20:16:50
I was really hoping to get the grey cadet alpha to go with theIvoryoops Umka mods but now all sorts of crazy thoughts are going here.
+1. Happy to see cadet but I wish the cadet alphas were offered in the Boneyard Alphas Kit colorway as well. :(
Post by: otanishock on Tue, 30 October 2018, 21:01:17
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https://www.massdrop.com/buy/gmk-carbon-custom-keycap-set?utm_source=linkshare&referer=W2YGNV
Post by: OracleKev on Tue, 30 October 2018, 21:18:52
I was really hoping to get the grey cadet alpha to go with theIvoryoops Umka mods but now all sorts of crazy thoughts are going here.
+1. Happy to see cadet but I wish the cadet alphas were offered in the Boneyard Alphas Kit colorway as well. :(
+1 Strongly~
Post by: thelaughingman on Tue, 30 October 2018, 23:24:50
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Right now my thinking is along the line of Umka mods + Carbon Cadet + Rolling Bones but then would have no spacebar and best price possible is $213. Have I gone mad? ;D ;D ;D
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Post by: lazyfart on Wed, 31 October 2018, 04:08:27
Post by: bobdenard on Wed, 31 October 2018, 04:30:50
I don't think ive ever been this excited for a drop. I'm going to lose a chunk of my bank account to this set and I don't even care. ;D ;D
Same here, this looks amazing! And it’s only expensive if you need lots of options, the base sets are already great on their own.
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Post by: Endeavour1934 on Wed, 31 October 2018, 04:35:01
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Post by: AlcoholEnthusiast on Wed, 31 October 2018, 04:58:27
Post by: Endeavour1934 on Wed, 31 October 2018, 05:24:32
This is probably a stupid question, but why is there a difference between Function and Number row warning signs?A difference in price? GMK will have to make molds for R0 warning signs, and that's expensive for them. The molds for R1 warning signs are already made since GMK Carbon first dropped a couple of years ago.
R0 keys are also taller, so they use more plastic, but I don't think that should reflect on the price.
Post by: T0mb3ry on Wed, 31 October 2018, 11:31:30
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This is probably a stupid question, but why is there a difference between Function and Number row warning signs?
At the moment GMK cant produce R0 as effective (probably not enough molds for R0) as R1 to make it cheaper :/
Post by: T0mb3ry on Wed, 31 October 2018, 16:27:19
Click here for the GB thread (https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=97972.0)
Overall i am glad i started this IC approximately 3 months before the drop. That gave me valuable time to make it the way it is right now.
I want to thank everyone who provided here feedback for this IC. Thank you!
Best,
T0mb3ry