I primarily use Ubuntu with Gnome classic at home. At work I'm forced to use Windows. :(
I've tried most distros, and keep coming back to 'buntu, because I'm very familiar with it.
I use funtoo, and it was my first linux distro. I'm planning on trying arch some time soon on one of my spare computers though.
Redhat at work, Windows at home. If I did serious coding at home I would definitely have a linux install, but for browsing and chatting Windows does just fine. In the past I've done dual boot setups with Ubuntu and Fedora at home and ended up never booting them.
Redhat at work, Windows at home. If I did serious coding at home I would definitely have a linux install, but for browsing and chatting Windows does just fine. In the past I've done dual boot setups with Ubuntu and Fedora at home and ended up never booting them.
Do you like Redhat? I could never get into it -- the way everything is organized in the file system has always really bugged me.
Ubuntu at the moment, but all new servers are created with CentOS and I'm trying to find excuses (and time0 to upgrade Ubuntu servers to CentOS.
I only just jumped on the linux bandwagon, so I've been using it for about 4 months. Haven't really run into any problems. It's definitely worth a try, but if you don't have the time/patience to compile everything, then it's a horrible choice.I use funtoo, and it was my first linux distro. I'm planning on trying arch some time soon on one of my spare computers though.
Been meaning to try funtoo, whats the longest you've had an install for?
Redhat at work, Windows at home. If I did serious coding at home I would definitely have a linux install, but for browsing and chatting Windows does just fine. In the past I've done dual boot setups with Ubuntu and Fedora at home and ended up never booting them.
Do you like Redhat? I could never get into it -- the way everything is organized in the file system has always really bugged me.Ubuntu at the moment, but all new servers are created with CentOS and I'm trying to find excuses (and time0 to upgrade Ubuntu servers to CentOS.
Do you like CentOS. Have a few servers at work that use it but it drives me up a wall.
Do you like Redhat? I could never get into it -- the way everything is organized in the file system has always really bugged me.
Redhat at work, Windows at home. If I did serious coding at home I would definitely have a linux install, but for browsing and chatting Windows does just fine. In the past I've done dual boot setups with Ubuntu and Fedora at home and ended up never booting them.
Do you like Redhat? I could never get into it -- the way everything is organized in the file system has always really bugged me.Ubuntu at the moment, but all new servers are created with CentOS and I'm trying to find excuses (and time0 to upgrade Ubuntu servers to CentOS.
Do you like CentOS. Have a few servers at work that use it but it drives me up a wall.
So far, yes.
So far I have one physical server running it, mostly just a file server. And one VM with a few dev tools that I use for about 25% of my programming work.
What is it that drives you up the wall with CentOS?
I only just jumped on the linux bandwagon, so I've been using it for about 4 months. Haven't really run into any problems. It's definitely worth a try, but if you don't have the time/patience to compile everything, then it's a horrible choice.I use funtoo, and it was my first linux distro. I'm planning on trying arch some time soon on one of my spare computers though.
Been meaning to try funtoo, whats the longest you've had an install for?
I only just jumped on the linux bandwagon, so I've been using it for about 4 months. Haven't really run into any problems. It's definitely worth a try, but if you don't have the time/patience to compile everything, then it's a horrible choice.I use funtoo, and it was my first linux distro. I'm planning on trying arch some time soon on one of my spare computers though.
Been meaning to try funtoo, whats the longest you've had an install for?
What distro are you using that you have to compile everything? Most linux distro have better package managers than "modern" OSes.
What distro are you using that you have to compile everything? Most linux distro have better package managers than "modern" OSes.Funtoo, it's a derivative of gentoo. It allows for optimized performance by only compiling the features of a program that you will actually use.
I used Red Hat from ~96 to 2002.. Debian ever since. Personally, not a fan of all the 'extra' stuff (...and their dependencies) many distros install.
Redhat at work, Windows at home. If I did serious coding at home I would definitely have a linux install, but for browsing and chatting Windows does just fine. In the past I've done dual boot setups with Ubuntu and Fedora at home and ended up never booting them.
Do you like Redhat? I could never get into it -- the way everything is organized in the file system has always really bugged me.Ubuntu at the moment, but all new servers are created with CentOS and I'm trying to find excuses (and time0 to upgrade Ubuntu servers to CentOS.
Do you like CentOS. Have a few servers at work that use it but it drives me up a wall.
So far, yes.
So far I have one physical server running it, mostly just a file server. And one VM with a few dev tools that I use for about 25% of my programming work.
What is it that drives you up the wall with CentOS?
What distro are you using that you have to compile everything? Most linux distro have better package managers than "modern" OSes.Funtoo, it's a derivative of gentoo. It allows for optimized performance by only compiling the features of a program that you will actually use.
Gentoo? psssshhh....Show Image(http://imgs.xkcd.com/comics/real_programmers.png)
Redhat at work, Windows at home. If I did serious coding at home I would definitely have a linux install, but for browsing and chatting Windows does just fine. In the past I've done dual boot setups with Ubuntu and Fedora at home and ended up never booting them.
Do you like Redhat? I could never get into it -- the way everything is organized in the file system has always really bugged me.Ubuntu at the moment, but all new servers are created with CentOS and I'm trying to find excuses (and time0 to upgrade Ubuntu servers to CentOS.
Do you like CentOS. Have a few servers at work that use it but it drives me up a wall.
So far, yes.
So far I have one physical server running it, mostly just a file server. And one VM with a few dev tools that I use for about 25% of my programming work.
What is it that drives you up the wall with CentOS?
One example of my annoyence with CentOS is how they handle the network interfaces. I really like the /etc/network/interfaces file in Ubuntu. Everything in one place. In CentOS you have to go into that net-cfg folder, I think, something like that (network-scripts maybe?) and edit the different IPs, netmasks, etc for the interfaces. You then have to go to a seperate file and edit the gateway, broadcast. Like, I just dont understand why they did that, why not consolidate it all in one file? Its things like that that irritate me about CentOS. Just like, the whole file layout/hierarchy.
Gentoo? psssshhh....Show Image(http://imgs.xkcd.com/comics/real_programmers.png)
Lol, great strip. In all seriousness though, vim masterrace reporting in.
Gentoo? psssshhh....Show Image(http://imgs.xkcd.com/comics/real_programmers.png)
I use Manjaro.
I also use i3 as my window manager.
Archlinux since 2008 and before that Slackware. Linux is only fun when it's hard and nothing works.
Archlinux since 2008 and before that Slackware. Linux is only fun when it's hard and nothing works.
Love Arch, just wondering, why did you switch from Slackware?
Linux mint 16 with cinnamon here. Previously used fedora, aptosid, sidux, ubuntu and debian on my main pc.
Linux mint 16 with cinnamon here. Previously used fedora, aptosid, sidux, ubuntu and debian on my main pc.
This is what I want to try. Are you enjoying this setup?
I use debian, though I have considered trying arch as a learning experience.
Started on slackware back in 98, then gentoo around 06, and since 10 have dropped that and gone with BSD. FreeBSD for my NAS, OSX on my MBP, and windows for general use on my HTPCs and desktop.
slackware, I get it since it's a good way to immerse yourself in the way linux works and learn it, but gentoo is just so pointless. there's so much work involved in getting that system up and running and maintained, and so little benefit. I highly doubt a fully customized gentoo system is going to run noticeably faster than, say, ubuntu.
Archlinux since 2008 and before that Slackware. Linux is only fun when it's hard and nothing works.
Started on slackware back in 98, then gentoo around 06, and since 10 have dropped that and gone with BSD. FreeBSD for my NAS, OSX on my MBP, and windows for general use on my HTPCs and desktop.
slackware, I get it since it's a good way to immerse yourself in the way linux works and learn it, but gentoo is just so pointless. there's so much work involved in getting that system up and running and maintained, and so little benefit. I highly doubt a fully customized gentoo system is going to run noticeably faster than, say, ubuntu.
I think this guy would disagree: https://bugs.gentoo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=74072
Haha... "Rebuild your system with sane settings and post back if you still have the problem".
That is almost an equivalent to just responding with: PEBKAC...
PEBKAC = Problem Exists Between Keyboard And Chair
Haha... "Rebuild your system with sane settings and post back if you still have the problem".
That is almost an equivalent to just responding with: PEBKAC...
PEBKAC = Problem Exists Between Keyboard And Chair
In this case, PEBKAC is accurate. Look at the wild, irresponsible CFLAGS they were using. It's no wonder that system broke.
p.s. Also VIM Master Race, which is why all my custom keyboard layouts have an Insert key on the top layer. And if you use VIM without using the tri-state Insert toggle, you are missing some of the fun! Especially if you have to do any SQL.
Usually the input button makes every character you type overwrite the one after it. Try clicking in the middle of a sentance, pressing the enter key, then typing some more. If insert mode is on it should start typing over the old text instead of inserting it in the middle.
Note: Back in the days of text only consoles (and TI's calculators today) the overwrite mode was the default and you had to press the insert key to add anything in the middle.
KeyPress event, serial 32, synthetic NO, window 0x4400001,
root 0x29d, subw 0x0, time 9710021, (342,453), root:(4824,474),
state 0x10, keycode 118 (keysym 0xff63, Insert), same_screen YES,
XLookupString gives 0 bytes:
XmbLookupString gives 0 bytes:
XFilterEvent returns: False
KeyRelease event, serial 32, synthetic NO, window 0x4400001,
root 0x29d, subw 0x0, time 9710125, (342,453), root:(4824,474),
state 0x10, keycode 118 (keysym 0xff63, Insert), same_screen YES,
XLookupString gives 0 bytes:
XFilterEvent returns: False
p.s. Also VIM Master Race, which is why all my custom keyboard layouts have an Insert key on the top layer. And if you use VIM without using the tri-state Insert toggle, you are missing some of the fun! Especially if you have to do any SQL.Why would you use insert over R....? And does anyone actually find replace mode that useful in the first place?
Maybe pull up "xev" in a console and double check what they keys output is?
This is what shows up on my board:Code: [Select]KeyPress event, serial 32, synthetic NO, window 0x4400001,
root 0x29d, subw 0x0, time 9710021, (342,453), root:(4824,474),
state 0x10, keycode 118 (keysym 0xff63, Insert), same_screen YES,
XLookupString gives 0 bytes:
XmbLookupString gives 0 bytes:
XFilterEvent returns: False
KeyRelease event, serial 32, synthetic NO, window 0x4400001,
root 0x29d, subw 0x0, time 9710125, (342,453), root:(4824,474),
state 0x10, keycode 118 (keysym 0xff63, Insert), same_screen YES,
XLookupString gives 0 bytes:
XFilterEvent returns: False
The important part is the "Insert" in parentheses. If that part is blank you might look at the keycode to figure out what its doing. If nothing shows up at all then I'm not sure whats up (something with the board).
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Oh man, I've tried to switch to a linux desktop multiple times over the past 20 years but it never stuck. My most recent serious attempt to switch was to OpenSuse maybe about 3 years ago. I think I made it a couple of months. I've tried Fedora, Mint, Ubuntu, Chakra, Gentoo and probably several others as well.
I do, however, plan to try Qubes OS in the next month or two for an extended period of time. I will be virtualizing windows this time so I won't have to try to give up outlook and onenote. I am hoping that I'll have better luck this time since I'm not actually trying to give up all my favorite windows apps at the same time as well.
When it comes to servers and command line, I absolutely love linux. You can pry it out of my cold dead hands :) I use Centos/RHEL here as I need the ultra long term stability. I'm fairly comfortable on an Ubuntu LTS server as well, but I don't really consider their LTS distro all that LTS. We're getting close to the next LTS release, but I just had to install an unbuntu server with the current LTS version, and it only has 3 years of bugfixes left. That kinda sucks for a "long term" OS that I just installed. This is why RHEL/Centos has a much longer support cycle. In addition, I can work with RPM spec files and can build/adjust my own RPMs most of the time without too much issue. This allows me to run my own small repository for my needs.
The first thing I ever do on any linux install, yum install emacs-nox or apt-get install emacs-nox, never been much of a vim fan though I can do a few very basic things in there.
My firewalls are pfsense (freebsd), but I may switch to one of the vyatta forks at some point. I tried to use vyatta before pfsense, but found it more of a router OS and not super ideal for firewall use. But it's been years, and I really did love it. Managing it is similar to managing cisco or hp stuff.
When it comes to servers and command line, I absolutely love linux. You can pry it out of my cold dead hands :)
Oh man, I've tried to switch to a linux desktop multiple times over the past 20 years but it never stuck.does it mean you first tried linux desktop in 1994?
i use ubuntu 12.04, debian wheezy and opensuse.
i am also master multiracial, since i use both vim and emacs.Oh man, I've tried to switch to a linux desktop multiple times over the past 20 years but it never stuck.does it mean you first tried linux desktop in 1994?
I used old versions of XFree86 - where you had to configure everything, including monitor refresh rates, yourself.
Kids these days don't know how easy they have it!
does it mean you first tried linux desktop in 1994?
that would have had kernel version 0.99 -- 1.0 most likely. but let alone the kernel-shmernel, think about the desktop! xfree86 vs windows 3.1!
Hyperbole.:(
Hyperbole.:(
i'll be switching to centos for work machine Soon™
is arch any better than the precious ubuntu?
I used old versions of XFree86 - where you had to configure everything, including monitor refresh rates, yourself.
Kids these days don't know how easy they have it!
after my initial high school affairs with linux i basically gave it up for 3-4 years until i found out x.org configuration was pretty much automatic... it was that bad.
well, it's a bloatware compared to my wheezy as well.is arch any better than the precious ubuntu?
Ubuntu is bloatware compared to arch.
I ran linux exclusively from 2000-2007 (until work started paying for me to have the best Mac laptop on the market every couple years).
It took a little tweaking of the memory management and video settings but my Ubuntu machine was working as a great platform for all my Windows games using WineX. I was playing WoW at the time with about half the minimum system requirements (according to the box). All my friends had about 4x the machine that I had and they were all lagging out in 40 man raids. I never had a problem...
I have to admit that I had to do some serious hacking initially to get it working perfectly, but once I got it, it was rock solid...
Linux Mint Cinnamon is my flavor of choice at the moment. I wish there was a killer-app window manager though to use instead of Cinnamon. Gnome ain't what it used to be.
I should probably also add, I'm a graphics/digital art guy and use Linux and FOSS tools exclusively.
Samwise, even though I'm not an Apple fan, that's some serious geek cred there in my book :) I did mess around with Darwin a little bit and was upset when they canned it. I will be getting my first mac mini server in a week, already bought and paid for.
Samwise, even though I'm not an Apple fan, that's some serious geek cred there in my book :) I did mess around with Darwin a little bit and was upset when they canned it. I will be getting my first mac mini server in a week, already bought and paid for.
From what I remember of Darwin, isn't it just BSD with the mach microkernel?
Nicely wrapped in the GUI shell that is OS X. :)
Also, for those that find themselves using Windows over Linux at home more than they would like, just do what I do. Don't dual boot. Make the decision to use Linux exclusively on your primary machine. Then, I keep a laptop with Windows for those times I really must use it.
Then, I keep a laptop with Windows for those times I really must use it.phew! it's good that i need not to!
I have used other distros, but I always return to slackware.awesome!
I was going to use it to teach myself bsd style commands. To this day, I still type "ps faux" on macs and get an error before I remember it's not linux.
ps aux
works on os x in iterm2.
Samwise, even though I'm not an Apple fan, that's some serious geek cred there in my book :) I did mess around with Darwin a little bit and was upset when they canned it. I will be getting my first mac mini server in a week, already bought and paid for.
From what I remember of Darwin, isn't it just BSD with the mach microkernel?
Nicely wrapped in the GUI shell that is OS X. :)
Also, for those that find themselves using Windows over Linux at home more than they would like, just do what I do. Don't dual boot. Make the decision to use Linux exclusively on your primary machine. Then, I keep a laptop with Windows for those times I really must use it.
I'm pretty sure you are correct. Apple still open sources all the stuff they have to, and then some, but no complete installable operating system :( I don't think there was a GUI. Maybe X11, I really can't recall at the moment. It does appear that xfree86 was ported, but I'm not sure if that was officially part of Darwin.
I was going to use it to teach myself bsd style commands. To this day, I still type "ps faux" on macs and get an error before I remember it's not linux.
Ubuntu on my notebook and at work.
Also, for those that find themselves using Windows over Linux at home more than they would like, just do what I do. Don't dual boot. Make the decision to use Linux exclusively on your primary machine. Then, I keep a laptop with Windows for those times I really must use it.
What is so cool in having Ubuntu on a work PC?Ubuntu on my notebook and at work.
Cool that you have ubuntu at your work pc. Do you know if they use landscape?
darwin runs with X11 - apple shipped it with their developer tools back in the last decade. not sure if they still do. i only ever installed the dev tools so I could run X11 stuff once in a while :)
unfortunately apple hasn't updated the official OSS darwin in years.
What is so cool in having Ubuntu on a work PC?Ubuntu on my notebook and at work.
Cool that you have ubuntu at your work pc. Do you know if they use landscape?
Also, for those that find themselves using Windows over Linux at home more than they would like, just do what I do. Don't dual boot. Make the decision to use Linux exclusively on your primary machine. Then, I keep a laptop with Windows for those times I really must use it.
Also, for those that find themselves using Windows over Linux at home more than they would like, just do what I do. Don't dual boot. Make the decision to use Linux exclusively on your primary machine. Then, I keep a laptop with Windows for those times I really must use it.Neither really worked, so I ended up (before I got the Mac) setting up a second PC - one for Linux to do emails and proper work, and one for Windows for games.
This is really the end state, isn't it? I have a primary i7 tower running LMDE (and a little Win7 VM in VirtualBox) for normal work/office stuff. And sitting next to it is a little Silverstone ITX i5 cube with a full-size graphics card for gaming. Technically, my tower is dual-boot, but that just doesn't work as well.
Also, for those that find themselves using Windows over Linux at home more than they would like, just do what I do. Don't dual boot. Make the decision to use Linux exclusively on your primary machine. Then, I keep a laptop with Windows for those times I really must use it.Neither really worked, so I ended up (before I got the Mac) setting up a second PC - one for Linux to do emails and proper work, and one for Windows for games.
This is really the end state, isn't it? I have a primary i7 tower running LMDE (and a little Win7 VM in VirtualBox) for normal work/office stuff. And sitting next to it is a little Silverstone ITX i5 cube with a full-size graphics card for gaming. Technically, my tower is dual-boot, but that just doesn't work as well.
Also, in a dedicated Windows PC, I can use an nVidia or an AMD GPU. With Linux it is either nVidia or integrated graphics -- or compatibility problems. So when AMD was doing its big relabel/launch last fall, I was able to pick up a couple of 7870s that work great in Windows, but that I could quite make work under Linux. (Cue Linus Torvalds: "F*** you, AMD!")
So how many of us run Linux normally, but keep a Windows machine around for critical applications like Visio, Photoshop, or Steam?
- Ron | samwisekoi
Also, for those that find themselves using Windows over Linux at home more than they would like, just do what I do. Don't dual boot. Make the decision to use Linux exclusively on your primary machine. Then, I keep a laptop with Windows for those times I really must use it.
When I really need doze, I fire it up in a kvm instance... Obviously that wouldn't work for games, but for things like quickbooks, it works great.
luckily i've never worked for such companies. ubuntu was standard for engineers at my previous workplace.What is so cool in having Ubuntu on a work PC?Ubuntu on my notebook and at work.
Cool that you have ubuntu at your work pc. Do you know if they use landscape?
I think it's just the fact that a lot of companies will force you to use whatever they have everyone else use (Windows).
What is so cool in having Ubuntu on a work PC?Ubuntu on my notebook and at work.
Cool that you have ubuntu at your work pc. Do you know if they use landscape?
I think it's just the fact that a lot of companies will force you to use whatever they have everyone else use (Windows).
What is so cool in having Ubuntu on a work PC?Ubuntu on my notebook and at work.
Cool that you have ubuntu at your work pc. Do you know if they use landscape?
I think it's just the fact that a lot of companies will force you to use whatever they have everyone else use (Windows).
As smasher816 said and I also wonder how they implement it. Do you get support from the IT-staff? Is it managed by the IT-staff (landscape)? Is it an option to get a pc with ubuntu?
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What hardware are you Running crunchbang on?
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What hardware are you Running crunchbang on?
dell precision t5600. work machine. xeon or i7 or whatever, 8 gb ram i think? haven't really bothered to look at the specs, it's stupidly overpowered for what i need but w/e. unfortunately i have 2 discrete cards (DUMB) and so i cant use compositing until i get an adapter and just stop using the second card.
My IRC server runs Debian 7 on an old 1 GHz Athlon 4 with 128 megs of ram. Works well enough and only uses about 25 megs of ram anyways.
I have a Latitude D630 running Xubuntu because I'm lazy and it works. I use it for programming devices and testing to see if USB hardware and such is being detected since Windows and Mac OS suck when it comes to detecting devices - lsusb is great.
My IRC server runs Debian 7 on an old 1 GHz Athlon 4 with 128 megs of ram. Works well enough and only uses about 25 megs of ram anyways.
I have a Latitude D630 running Xubuntu because I'm lazy and it works. I use it for programming devices and testing to see if USB hardware and such is being detected since Windows and Mac OS suck when it comes to detecting devices - lsusb is great.
I've been using ircd-hybrid since ~1999.. It has a gazillion modules, and is actively developed. Definitely worth a look if you're shopping for an IRC server.
http://ircd-hybrid.com/
I've been using ircd-hybrid since ~1999.. It has a gazillion modules, and is actively developed. Definitely worth a look if you're shopping for an IRC server.
http://ircd-hybrid.com/
Nice signature -- have you used Parabola at all?
Thanks! Richard Stallman for president! =)
Sadly.. I'm addicted to Debian, despite it's status w/ the FSF. =/
My IRC server runs Debian 7 on an old 1 GHz Athlon 4 with 128 megs of ram.so does my work machine with i7 and 16gb ram.
What a supriseMy IRC server runs Debian 7 on an old 1 GHz Athlon 4 with 128 megs of ram.so does my work machine with i7 and 16gb ram.
What a supriseMy IRC server runs Debian 7 on an old 1 GHz Athlon 4 with 128 megs of ram.so does my work machine with i7 and 16gb ram.
stop being silly.What a supriseMy IRC server runs Debian 7 on an old 1 GHz Athlon 4 with 128 megs of ram.so does my work machine with i7 and 16gb ram.
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My first distro was Mandrake. I switched full time around the very first Ubuntu LTS release (because damn winmodems).
Nowadays I use Kubuntu / Linux Mint KDE, mostly because I like KDE and I've been stuck with Ubuntu derivatives for ages, hence I'm quite familiar with it. However, I strongly disagree with Canonical's direction and recent (i.e. last few years) actions and the core system is horribly rotten; I experience trouble with hardware support, that don't exist elsewhere, packages in official repos are broken out of the box, etc.
I'd be already running Fedora, if Anaconda wasn't so horrible and the fedora.next software management (plus SAT solver for yum) was in place.
So how many of us run Linux normally, but keep a Windows machine around for critical applications like Visio, Photoshop, or Steam?
- Ron | samwisekoi
My first distro was Mandrake. I switched full time around the very first Ubuntu LTS release (because damn winmodems).
Nowadays I use Kubuntu / Linux Mint KDE, mostly because I like KDE and I've been stuck with Ubuntu derivatives for ages, hence I'm quite familiar with it. However, I strongly disagree with Canonical's direction and recent (i.e. last few years) actions and the core system is horribly rotten; I experience trouble with hardware support, that don't exist elsewhere, packages in official repos are broken out of the box, etc.
I'd be already running Fedora, if Anaconda wasn't so horrible and the fedora.next software management (plus SAT solver for yum) was in place.
Ubuntu has turned into the evil Apple/Microsoft/big-brother of the Linux world with all of the their great new personal tracking and advertising features. That's why you need to switch to Debian. :D
My first distro was Mandrake. I switched full time around the very first Ubuntu LTS release (because damn winmodems).
Nowadays I use Kubuntu / Linux Mint KDE, mostly because I like KDE and I've been stuck with Ubuntu derivatives for ages, hence I'm quite familiar with it. However, I strongly disagree with Canonical's direction and recent (i.e. last few years) actions and the core system is horribly rotten; I experience trouble with hardware support, that don't exist elsewhere, packages in official repos are broken out of the box, etc.
I'd be already running Fedora, if Anaconda wasn't so horrible and the fedora.next software management (plus SAT solver for yum) was in place.
Ubuntu has turned into the evil Apple/Microsoft/big-brother of the Linux world with all of the their great new personal tracking and advertising features. That's why you need to switch to Debian. :D
Debian sucks. Even experimental is sometimes months or even years behind upstream. Once I decide to compile stuff myself, I'll go with Gentoo.
slackware is still alive. impressive.
I just started playing around with SliTaz because I wanted a super lightweight distro with a UI. Can't beat a 35MB iso file. :)
It is pretty good so far. Pretty much everything I need and it is pretty intuitive. Stuff like the networking just worked out of the box, I didn't have to do anything special. That is always nice...
I just started playing around with SliTaz because I wanted a super lightweight distro with a UI. Can't beat a 35MB iso file. :)
It is pretty good so far. Pretty much everything I need and it is pretty intuitive. Stuff like the networking just worked out of the box, I didn't have to do anything special. That is always nice...
I just started playing around with SliTaz because I wanted a super lightweight distro with a UI. Can't beat a 35MB iso file. :)
It is pretty good so far. Pretty much everything I need and it is pretty intuitive. Stuff like the networking just worked out of the box, I didn't have to do anything special. That is always nice...
yes you dang well can http://distro.ibiblio.org/tinycorelinux/
and if you're not a wimp: http://ttylinux.net/
I just started playing around with SliTaz because I wanted a super lightweight distro with a UI. Can't beat a 35MB iso file. :)
It is pretty good so far. Pretty much everything I need and it is pretty intuitive. Stuff like the networking just worked out of the box, I didn't have to do anything special. That is always nice...
yes you dang well can http://distro.ibiblio.org/tinycorelinux/
and if you're not a wimp: http://ttylinux.net/
I just started playing around with SliTaz because I wanted a super lightweight distro with a UI. Can't beat a 35MB iso file. :)
It is pretty good so far. Pretty much everything I need and it is pretty intuitive. Stuff like the networking just worked out of the box, I didn't have to do anything special. That is always nice...
yes you dang well can http://distro.ibiblio.org/tinycorelinux/
and if you're not a wimp: http://ttylinux.net/
TTYLinux doesn't have a UI included does it? I use ttylinux on CloudStack cause it is tiny...
tinycorelinux is pretty ugly i must say...
I used Red Hat from ~96 to 2002.. Debian ever since. Personally, not a fan of all the 'extra' stuff (...and their dependencies) many distros install.
I use Arch on all of my home PCs and Debian on my servers.
The AUR in Arch makes it pretty much impossible for me to switch to anything else and stick to it for over a week. I also like FreeBSD (not Linux, but whatever), but hardware support is hit or miss.
I use Arch on all of my home PCs and Debian on my servers.
The AUR in Arch makes it pretty much impossible for me to switch to anything else and stick to it for over a week. I also like FreeBSD (not Linux, but whatever), but hardware support is hit or miss.
Nice, another Archer. Do you game on your Arch install?
I use Arch on all of my home PCs and Debian on my servers.
The AUR in Arch makes it pretty much impossible for me to switch to anything else and stick to it for over a week. I also like FreeBSD (not Linux, but whatever), but hardware support is hit or miss.
Nice, another Archer. Do you game on your Arch install?
I hardly game much, but when I do I usually just play the games that are natively ported over to *nix on Steam (I don't bother with WINE or anything). I have a Windows partition on my desktop if I feel like playing anything that isn't supported natively (I have a lot of extra disk space).
I dual boot arch and windows 7 on my Thinkpad, and am using Debian and win8 on my desktop... I only use windows for adobe software, and Steam.
If it wasn't for Adobe Photoshop and Illustrator, I would be using a Linux machine as my daily driver. I did for 7 years, but GIMP and Inkspace just were not cutting it for me then. They may be better now, I should check. Currently using a Mac as my core laptop but all my other environments are Linux.
If it wasn't for Adobe Photoshop and Illustrator, I would be using a Linux machine as my daily driver. I did for 7 years, but GIMP and Inkspace just were not cutting it for me then. They may be better now, I should check. Currently using a Mac as my core laptop but all my other environments are Linux.
I have switched to GIMP and Inkscape for 90% of those tasks. Sometimes I have to drop back to Photoshop, but rarely. Visio and video production are Windows tasks for me still. And some Word things that need "real" Word for compatibility with HR departments, etc. Gimp and Inkscape are worth a re-look now.
And Steam, but don't give up your gaming machine just yet.
- Ron | samwisekoi
If it wasn't for Adobe Photoshop and Illustrator, I would be using a Linux machine as my daily driver. I did for 7 years, but GIMP and Inkspace just were not cutting it for me then. They may be better now, I should check.you won't believe!!!!!1111111 gimp can use a single window layout now!!!!1111111
I use Windows 98.
I use Windows 98.
Garbage... go troll a different thread.
Ubuntu. Cuz it's the most mainstream.y u no hipstah
I use Windows 98.
Garbage... go troll a different thread.
Windows 98 is not garbage. Don't make yourself look like a fool saying things like that.
I use Windows 98.
Garbage... go troll a different thread.
Windows 98 is not garbage. Don't make yourself look like a fool saying things like that.
Blue screens of garbage...
I use Windows 98.
I use Windows 98.
Windows 98 != Linux
Windows 98 != a real operating system
I use Windows 98.
Windows 98 != Linux
Windows 98 != a real operating system
Yeah, it is what I meant. Just a shell of DOS, and a copycat of Apple at that.
Windows 9x = a GUI for DOS, so you're technically right.
Yeah, it is what I meant. Just a shell of DOS, and a copycat of Apple at that.I use Windows 98.
Windows 98 != Linux
Windows 98 != a real operating system
Windows 9x = a GUI for DOS, so you're technically right.
Yeah, it is what I meant. Just a shell of DOS, and a copycat of Apple at that.I use Windows 98.
Windows 98 != Linux
Windows 98 != a real operating system
Windows 9x = a GUI for DOS, so you're technically right.
FTFY. (I do this all the time too).
Ubuntu here... Still learning ins and outs of Linux lolYup, most people start on 'Buntu! :D
Ubuntu here... Still learning ins and outs of Linux lol
Ubuntu isn't what it used to be. I recommend people that like Ubuntu to switch to debian.
And to think I used to lead an official Ubuntu derivative distro.
Nobody has said gentoo yet. That makes me sad.I said funtoo, which is gentoo except it uses git instead of rsync. But I use Sabayon now, which is gentoo but without the hassle of installing the bare necessities.
If I weren't so busy hacking on code, and needing to install libraries easily in a jhbuild for it. I would be tempted to go back.
For now debian and Fedora serve me right.
Nobody has said gentoo yet. That makes me sad.I said funtoo, which is gentoo except it uses git instead of rsync. But I use Sabayon now, which is gentoo but without the hassle of installing the bare necessities.
If I weren't so busy hacking on code, and needing to install libraries easily in a jhbuild for it. I would be tempted to go back.
For now debian and Fedora serve me right.
Very interested in trying out Sabayon, it looks really cool. Always been to lazy to use Gentoo and have stuck with Arch, but now I'm starting to feel like I am missing out.If you have lots of spare time, gentoo (and its derivatives) are awesome. A have a project in the works for a super light weight and pre-configured funtoo distro. Still in concept, but I hope to start real work on it over the summer.
Ubuntu isn't what it used to be. I recommend people that like Ubuntu to switch to debian.
And to think I used to lead an official Ubuntu derivative distro.
Ubuntu isn't what it used to be. I recommend people that like Ubuntu to switch to debian.
And to think I used to lead an official Ubuntu derivative distro.
I agree that ubuntu is not what it used to be. It was my os of choice, now I am still searching for a favorite. I don't really like centos, but I work in it every day, so I am used to it.
I miss the easy to use, but no fat distros (like ubuntu when it first came out).
Looking for suggestions.
- I want a nice package manager that has relatively new versions of software (don't want to compile everything).
- simple and fast gui. No special effects to slow things down.
- I live in the terminal and browser, so those are important.
Ubuntu isn't what it used to be. I recommend people that like Ubuntu to switch to debian.
And to think I used to lead an official Ubuntu derivative distro.
I agree that ubuntu is not what it used to be. It was my os of choice, now I am still searching for a favorite. I don't really like centos, but I work in it every day, so I am used to it.
I miss the easy to use, but no fat distros (like ubuntu when it first came out).
Looking for suggestions.
- I want a nice package manager that has relatively new versions of software (don't want to compile everything).
- simple and fast gui. No special effects to slow things down.
- I live in the terminal and browser, so those are important.
Arch Linux sounds like what youre looking for, PM me if you have any questions about it, been using Arch for ages.
Ubuntu isn't what it used to be. I recommend people that like Ubuntu to switch to debian.
And to think I used to lead an official Ubuntu derivative distro.
Very interesting. Ubuntu feisty was one of the distros I cut my teeth on. Haven't used it much since the release of hardy. Checked out the latest release but Unity is not for me.
What flavor were you leading up? A fluxbuntu type or a suite based distro like musix?
Edit : music --> musix ... Autocorrect arggg
Welcome to geekhack
Ubuntu isn't what it used to be. I recommend people that like Ubuntu to switch to debian.
And to think I used to lead an official Ubuntu derivative distro.
I agree that ubuntu is not what it used to be. It was my os of choice, now I am still searching for a favorite. I don't really like centos, but I work in it every day, so I am used to it.
I miss the easy to use, but no fat distros (like ubuntu when it first came out).
Looking for suggestions.
- I want a nice package manager that has relatively new versions of software (don't want to compile everything).
- simple and fast gui. No special effects to slow things down.
- I live in the terminal and browser, so those are important.
Arch Linux sounds like what youre looking for, PM me if you have any questions about it, been using Arch for ages.
Ya I have been playing with arch. I switched from it because I was having networking issues (which turned out to be hardware), so I should switch back to it. It seemed pretty good in the short time I was playing with it.
Debian is a very good alternative to Ubuntu. Ubuntu has become painfully "corporate" and has malware/spyware enabled out of the box. You can turn these tracking features off if you want. I choose to just use another OS.
Ubuntu isn't what it used to be. I recommend people that like Ubuntu to switch to debian.
And to think I used to lead an official Ubuntu derivative distro.
Very interesting. Ubuntu feisty was one of the distros I cut my teeth on. Haven't used it much since the release of hardy. Checked out the latest release but Unity is not for me.
What flavor were you leading up? A fluxbuntu type or a suite based distro like musix?
Edit : music --> musix ... Autocorrect arggg
Welcome to geekhack
Ubuntu Studio. It is still around but I was too busy at work when I stepped down and then moved on to lower level projects.
http://ubuntustudio.org/tour/
Ubuntu isn't what it used to be. I recommend people that like Ubuntu to switch to debian.
And to think I used to lead an official Ubuntu derivative distro.
Very interesting. Ubuntu feisty was one of the distros I cut my teeth on. Haven't used it much since the release of hardy. Checked out the latest release but Unity is not for me.
What flavor were you leading up? A fluxbuntu type or a suite based distro like musix?
Edit : music --> musix ... Autocorrect arggg
Welcome to geekhack
Ubuntu Studio. It is still around but I was too busy at work when I stepped down and then moved on to lower level projects.
http://ubuntustudio.org/tour/
It is indeed still around. Just grabbed a fresh (to me) copy of the iso for the stockpile
I didn't know that they had a Pi version of Ubuntu, or is it just for Arm? Why not use Raspbian?
You might be disappointed though. I tried Sabayon last year, but it didn't work out at all. After each reboot, something else didn't work; I had never seen X.Org that broken.Nobody has said gentoo yet. That makes me sad.I said funtoo, which is gentoo except it uses git instead of rsync. But I use Sabayon now, which is gentoo but without the hassle of installing the bare necessities.
If I weren't so busy hacking on code, and needing to install libraries easily in a jhbuild for it. I would be tempted to go back.
For now debian and Fedora serve me right.
Very interested in trying out Sabayon, it looks really cool. Always been to lazy to use Gentoo and have stuck with Arch, but now I'm starting to feel like I am missing out.
Nobody has said gentoo yet. That makes me sad.I said funtoo, which is gentoo except it uses git instead of rsync. But I use Sabayon now, which is gentoo but without the hassle of installing the bare necessities.
If I weren't so busy hacking on code, and needing to install libraries easily in a jhbuild for it. I would be tempted to go back.
For now debian and Fedora serve me right.
Very interested in trying out Sabayon, it looks really cool. Always been to lazy to use Gentoo and have stuck with Arch, but now I'm starting to feel like I am missing out.
my poweredge runs centOS at home. i tried to make it a LAMP server but that didnt work at all. i honestly think i will throw Microsoft Server 2008 R2 on it this weekend. sorry i dont think any of you wanted to hear that.
Gentoo is on my list of distros to try. The reason it has not been a priority for me is that is just doesn't seem like the half of a microsecond gained in execution time is worth all of the fuss of compiling everything. Years ago, an FTP server was compromised that was running CentOS that our group maintained. The breach was probably due to a poor configuration and not the core operating system itself. A co-worker thought it would be a good idea to put a hardened gentoo install on the box instead. I appreciate the nod towards security but the initial compile took over 2 days to complete.
Granted, a Gentoo install can be done more traditionally to speed up the process. But as we all know, time = money, and in any production environment, having a 2 day downtime could impact your organization dramatically.
Seems more like a distro for tinkerers--which a lot of us are here :D
ASL is a Unified Threat Manager that hardens both your web applications and operating system in addition to incorporating numerous proprietary security functions and methodologies.
in addition to incorporating numerous proprietary security functions and methodologiesWhat's that? Backdoors?
Quotein addition to incorporating numerous proprietary security functions and methodologiesWhat's that? Backdoors?
For a server, maybe. I don't see the point of hardening or antivirus for a desktop box, with how unattractive Linux is as a target to begin with. I've been running Win 7 for years with no protection other than a router's firewall and intelligent browsing habits.
I messed up my windows 8.1 boot partition pretty bad yesterday so I've been running Linux Mint 16 from a flash drive all day while I wait for the Windows 8.1 ISO to download. I'm super impressed with it. Some of the minor annoyances I had with previous versions of mint and ubuntu are gone and I'm really enjoying it!
I'd make the switch if I didn't need to be on Windows for some of my university stuff... And steam obviously :cool:. When I build my new PC at the end of the year I'll get a dual boot going with one flavour or another.
I messed up my windows 8.1 boot partition pretty bad yesterday so I've been running Linux Mint 16 from a flash drive all day while I wait for the Windows 8.1 ISO to download. I'm super impressed with it. Some of the minor annoyances I had with previous versions of mint and ubuntu are gone and I'm really enjoying it!
I'd make the switch if I didn't need to be on Windows for some of my university stuff... And steam obviously :cool:. When I build my new PC at the end of the year I'll get a dual boot going with one flavour or another.
There is steam for linux now.
I messed up my windows 8.1 boot partition pretty bad yesterday so I've been running Linux Mint 16 from a flash drive all day while I wait for the Windows 8.1 ISO to download. I'm super impressed with it. Some of the minor annoyances I had with previous versions of mint and ubuntu are gone and I'm really enjoying it!
I'd make the switch if I didn't need to be on Windows for some of my university stuff... And steam obviously :cool:. When I build my new PC at the end of the year I'll get a dual boot going with one flavour or another.
There is steam for linux now.
There is, but many games don't run, and those that do don't always run as well. And if you're using an AMD card, you might as well not try.
[...] so I've been running Linux Mint 16 from a flash drive all day [...]
If, and that's a big if, I was going to use Linux I would be on LMDE 201403. With MATE desktop.
http://www.linuxmint.com/download_lmde.php
If, and that's a big if, I was going to use Linux I would be on LMDE 201403. With MATE desktop.
http://www.linuxmint.com/download_lmde.php
mate is overrated.
gnome was undermined a long time ago when i bet apple put moles in the project to trhow away all the good design and UI goals, and replace it with OS9 clones. ...than the same happened with gnome 3 and osx... anyway, conspiracy-theory-jokes aside, mate does not solve the problem, they only go back to the previous OS9 clone trolling.
the day you use a tiling window manager or any other non-1970 desktop/windows concept... you will be sold.
This is why I love the Unity desktop. It took the best ideas of a tiling window manager and added smart design decisions to make it work more intuitively for a mainstream audience.
If, and that's a big if, I was going to use Linux I would be on LMDE 201403. With MATE desktop.
http://www.linuxmint.com/download_lmde.php
mate is overrated.
gnome was undermined a long time ago when i bet apple put moles in the project to trhow away all the good design and UI goals, and replace it with OS9 clones. ...than the same happened with gnome 3 and osx... anyway, conspiracy-theory-jokes aside, mate does not solve the problem, they only go back to the previous OS9 clone trolling.
the day you use a tiling window manager or any other non-1970 desktop/windows concept... you will be sold.
This is why I love the Unity desktop. It took the best ideas of a tiling window manager and added smart design decisions to make it work more intuitively for a mainstream audience.
Tiling window managers just don't do it for me. I find that having windows behave less like physical objects makes the interface less intuitive and creates a feeling of disempowerment. Tried Unity also and made it about an hour before I decided that I just couldn't deal with it anymore.
It's a shame BumpTop (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/BumpTop) never really saw the light of day.
Gotta wonder what Google has been doing with it all these years.
Tiling window managers just don't do it for me. I find that having windows behave less like physical objects makes the interface less intuitive and creates a feeling of disempowerment. Tried Unity also and made it about an hour before I decided that I just couldn't deal with it anymore.
Yeah, osx is total garbage.
But trust me on this one. Tiling window managers are like touch-typing.
Right now you are like someone typing with two indexes fingers. of course you are going to feel limited and threatened by a non-staggered keyboard.... but once you learn to touch type you will love that non-staggered board :)
it is the same with window managers. and text editors. :) ...maybe it was because i was already using vim's and screen's windows that i like tiling window managers so much... o well. just trust me that it is very similar to the touch typing experience. you feel safe not trying it... but after you get the hang of it, you keep questioning yourself how you lived without every time you see someone that can't.
I've been using i3 for over a year now, and I love it.
However, I do miss having a set amount of workspaces that I can just flit through.
That's kinda why I miss WMFS 1 so much.
i3 with WMFS 1's panel would be the bee's knees.
If you know Vim, Vim is king no matter where. Nothing has even come close to mimic the modal editing scheme in Vim that allows for ninja editing powers.Gentoo? psssshhh....Show Image(http://imgs.xkcd.com/comics/real_programmers.png)
Lol, great strip. In all seriousness though, vim masterrace reporting in.
In the terminal vim is king. I usually use sublime text otherwise (but that's off topic)
I've been using i3 for over a year now, and I love it.
However, I do miss having a set amount of workspaces that I can just flit through.
That's kinda why I miss WMFS 1 so much.
i3 with WMFS 1's panel would be the bee's knees.
^ congrats on 4000 posts, fellow vimian.
I'm using Arch at home and Ubuntu at work.
Whats the general GH Linux concensus?
Literally in the last few days I set up an ASUS K53E lapdog with dual boot Win 7 Ultimate 64 and Linux Zorin OS8 - 32 bit.
http://zorin-os.com/
I have used live distros before like Knoppix 5.3 so I know a bit but am currently loving Zorin.I love the speed and the power of it.
Literally in the last few days I set up an ASUS K53E lapdog with dual boot Win 7 Ultimate 64 and Linux Zorin OS8 - 32 bit.
http://zorin-os.com/
I have used live distros before like Knoppix 5.3 so I know a bit but am currently loving Zorin.I love the speed and the power of it.
Literally in the last few days I set up an ASUS K53E lapdog with dual boot Win 7 Ultimate 64 and Linux Zorin OS8 - 32 bit.
http://zorin-os.com/
I have used live distros before like Knoppix 5.3 so I know a bit but am currently loving Zorin.I love the speed and the power of it.
Never heard of this, definitely going to check it out. Does it use the standard Linux kernel? Is it based on another distro?
EDIT: Looks like an Ubuntu derivative.
I'm running 2x Nvidia GTX 560Ti's.
Essentially a monitor has been "unplugged" while the system was running and it's fallen back to TwinView instead of Xinerama (at least that's what it looks like). I'm a complete Linux newbie so there might have been a simple fix... I really have no idea what I'm doing. :p
I somehow read that you were trying to upgrade from core2 to i5/i7, my mistake. I stand corrected.
E: £1300 netbook? Thought the point of netbooks was to be cheap and low-power. Most expensive netbook I recall ever seeing was $200 or so.
I somehow read that you were trying to upgrade from core2 to i5/i7, my mistake. I stand corrected.
E: £1300 netbook? Thought the point of netbooks was to be cheap and low-power. Most expensive netbook I recall ever seeing was $200 or so.
A friend has an all singing/all dancing Samsung with internal SSD etc...you can get really top-end netbooks...well over $2000.
As for my ASUS, I got it because it was solid, reliable and easy to upgrade; It can support Centrino dual-core all the way upto i7 2410 and beyond...obviously it`ll eat batteries like crazy then and the bios will have to be reconfigured or flashed...the option is there user 18.
One thing about `puters...I am always learning...you have to be very patient and have an open mind.
I was also confused because of the terminology. As said Its a small ultrabook if it is in that price range. Netbooks mostly used intel atoms or processors that preformed similarly.In terms of netbook, the paradigm is low cost, low power and small size at the expense of performance. An ultrabook is the evolution of a netbook, where modern CPU architectures allow increased performance in the same physical size and power envelope, albeit with higher cost.E: £1300 netbook? Thought the point of netbooks was to be cheap and low-power. Most expensive netbook I recall ever seeing was $200 or so.A friend has an all singing/all dancing Samsung with internal SSD etc...you can get really top-end netbooks...well over $2000.
Netbooks are a category of small, lightweight, legacy-free, and inexpensive computers.Hope this ends the misunderstanding of the word :)
Update on my Ubuntu server: Something's wrong with the boot disk. Badly wrong.`ls`, `sudo` and `su` are all programs, which, in your case, seem to be on an inaccessible partition.
System doesn't know what 'ls', 'sudo', 'su' mean. 'cd' still works for whatever reason.
Drive was flaky to begin with, so perhaps I'll just try again with a better quality HDD.
I've never used highpoint cards in a linux build -- they do however work great in Windows.
Supposedly, they do have linux support. From the site :
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We provide pre-compiled driver packages for several popular Linux distributions such as Red Hat, RH Enterprise, Fedora, SuSE. We also provide driver source code that can be used to build the driver on other Linux distributions, and kernel versions where a pre-compiled binary is not provided.
These drivers are posted on our website, under the support-BIOS+Driver update section for each host adapter product.
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I've never used highpoint cards in a linux build -- they do however work great in Windows.
Supposedly, they do have linux support. From the site :
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We provide pre-compiled driver packages for several popular Linux distributions such as Red Hat, RH Enterprise, Fedora, SuSE. We also provide driver source code that can be used to build the driver on other Linux distributions, and kernel versions where a pre-compiled binary is not provided.
These drivers are posted on our website, under the support-BIOS+Driver update section for each host adapter product.
</clip>
They have drivers all right. They have drivers for kernel versions 2.x, at least for all the cards I've seen. User-created patches exist for 3.x, but they aren't always completely stable. As far as I know, nobody's been able to get their administration tools working reliably under 3.x, even with patches.
I have no issue at all with highpoint's windows drivers.
I just put Openbox Antergos on my x61 and am liking it so far. Going from apt-get to pacman is a little rough but I love the challenge of learning something new!
I just put Openbox Antergos on my x61 and am liking it so far. Going from apt-get to pacman is a little rough but I love the challenge of learning something new!I've been using Antergos for a week or two now, and so far I like it.
I just put Openbox Antergos on my x61 and am liking it so far. Going from apt-get to pacman is a little rough but I love the challenge of learning something new!
Tell us how it goes. :)
I just put Openbox Antergos on my x61 and am liking it so far. Going from apt-get to pacman is a little rough but I love the challenge of learning something new!I've been using Antergos for a week or two now, and so far I like it.
But i normally use Arch and after using it i just cant seem to go back to anything else and enjoy it.
Weird. I just got given Centos from a Unix course I was just on and I was thinking of getting rid of Win 7 on my laptop for Centos.
I quite liked moving around easily in the CLI, and I would just mess around when we weren't doing anything on the course.
Anybody got any tips for a relative newbie who has only had a 4 day Unix course to learn stuff?
I do not use Linux because it doesn't natively run SimCity 2000.
I do not use Linux because it doesn't natively run SimCity 2000.
Ok,then we have converted microsoft windows to linux. Who would have thought?I do not use Linux because it doesn't natively run SimCity 2000.
Yes it does. Enter Winex...
Ok,then we have converted microsoft windows to linux. Who would have thought?I do not use Linux because it doesn't natively run SimCity 2000.
Yes it does. Enter Winex...
I don't think that's what "natively" means.I do not use Linux because it doesn't natively run SimCity 2000.
Yes it does. Enter Winex...
I don't think that's what "natively" means.I do not use Linux because it doesn't natively run SimCity 2000.
Yes it does. Enter Winex...
I don't think that's what "natively" means.I do not use Linux because it doesn't natively run SimCity 2000.
Yes it does. Enter Winex...
I was able to run windows programs on linux with Winex with better performance than on a windows install (using the same box).i did the same.
Blew away Linux Mint 15 from my old laptop and installed #! in its place. Love how simple it is. Wish it worked better with my wifi card.
archlinux + fluxbox my best setup
Any spesific reason for broadcom hate?Recently? No idea. But their proprietary drivers were pure evil ~5+ years ago.
I see. yea propietary driver isnt much fun. But recently they been nice as you said. They even made the videocore IV graphics core used in rasberry pi open source.Any spesific reason for broadcom hate?Recently? No idea. But their proprietary drivers were pure evil ~5+ years ago.
Blew away Linux Mint 15 from my old laptop and installed #! in its place. Love how simple it is. Wish it worked better with my wifi card.
420 posts...nice bro!
I have a personal hate against broadcom.... good luck :D
Blew away Linux Mint 15 from my old laptop and installed #! in its place. Love how simple it is. Wish it worked better with my wifi card.
420 posts...nice bro!
I have a personal hate against broadcom.... good luck :D
Tell me about it. I got it working using the b43 driver...sort of. And because it's an HP laptop, I can't upgrade the wireless card to anything I like. They have a hard-coded whitelist in the bios, and it prevents booting if a wireless card that isn't on the list is installed. I might just give up and see if I can find a low-profile USB wireless dongle.
I like Puppy Linux. It's the fastest OS, as it runs from RAM. I'm using Lucid 5.2.8 (based on Ubuntu) on a 10 year old laptop, and it runs great. I've also used Ubuntu 10.04 a couple years back on a Dell box, and I really liked it.So I'm not the only one who likes to run lightweight distros on ancient hardware? :)
In the future, I would like to use Fatdog64 (a Puppy Linux distro, 64 bit) and Linux Lite.
My main computer is an HP box running Vista. It runs great.
I'm interested in Chrome OS, and may get a Chromebook one of these days.
I like Puppy Linux. It's the fastest OS, as it runs from RAM. I'm using Lucid 5.2.8 (based on Ubuntu) on a 10 year old laptop, and it runs great. I've also used Ubuntu 10.04 a couple years back on a Dell box, and I really liked it.So I'm not the only one who likes to run lightweight distros on ancient hardware? :)
In the future, I would like to use Fatdog64 (a Puppy Linux distro, 64 bit) and Linux Lite.
My main computer is an HP box running Vista. It runs great.
I'm interested in Chrome OS, and may get a Chromebook one of these days.
Also, if you're interested in a Chromebook, you can pick up a refurb Acer C710 from Newegg for $119. I did just that about a month ago.
Why has no one told me about the new window managers out there? Some sexy things! I set up an Arch install with LXDE for now, thinking of trying out Awesome WM.i3 seems to become popular recently.
I'm certain if you took your time to tweak your Linux, you'd find it elating. That being said, 'it just works' works for most. But apparently not for Geekhack. You, sir, need to tweak your Linux.
okay, after a ****shower with ubuntu 12.04 -- 14.04 i installed mint (with cinnamon) and it works. i don't need much besides "it works".
i am tired of **** and want a normal distro that will work for years.
...or Slackware...
okay, after a ****shower with ubuntu 12.04 -- 14.04 i installed mint (with cinnamon) and it works. i don't need much besides "it works".
Welcome to my favourite distro. I use it everywhere that cinnamon isn't too heavy for.
has systemd in wheezy.i am tired of **** and want a normal distro that will work for years.
Debian
...or Slackware...
slackware 4tw. I don't expect systemd to ever get into bed with slackfokk yea! years ago i had a slackware system with "slacko is iri's love" on the desktop. i may consider using it again.
has systemd in wheezy.i am tired of **** and want a normal distro that will work for years.
Debian...or Slackware...slackware 4tw. I don't expect systemd to ever get into bed with slackfokk yea! years ago i had a slackware system with "slacko is iri's love" on the desktop. i may consider using it again.
also, a colleague offered me gentoo
DISCUSS
Meh the Gentoo foundation killed Gentoo years ago. [Citation Needed]-daniel robbins
Debian. Running a minimal install on a 6 year old Asus eeepc 900. Primarily for distraction free writing in Vim. No pictures or videos of internet kittens.
Debian. Running a minimal install on a 6 year old Asus eeepc 900. Primarily for distraction free writing in Vim. No pictures or videos of internet kittens.
Sounds like a good idea until you run :make .. ?
Using Ubuntu 10.04.4 LTS for work and LMDE on my laptop. I'm using vanilla Debian in a VM to run through the edX Linux course.
Using Ubuntu 10.04.4 LTS for work and LMDE on my laptop. I'm using vanilla Debian in a VM to run through the edX Linux course.
Nice. Do you run Xorg? If so, you should perhaps try out the zathura pdf reader. I really like it for it's vim bindings and autoreloading whenever the file pdf file gets updated.
on systemd:
http://wizardofbits.tumblr.com/post/45232318557/systemd-more-like-****-stemd
http://thread.gmane.org/gmane.linux.redhat.fedora.devel/169082
http://ewontfix.com/14/
http://ewontfix.com/15/
http://gentooexperimental.org/~patrick/weblog/archives/2013-10.html#e2013-10-29T13_39_32.txt
more links here:
http://boycottsystemd.org/
Gentoo? psssshhh....Show Image(http://imgs.xkcd.com/comics/real_programmers.png)
Lol, great strip. In all seriousness though, vim masterrace reporting in.
archlinux + fluxbox my best setup
Nice, what do you run it on?
http://xkcd.com/378/ (http://xkcd.com/378/) comes to mindyeah.
M-x post-on-geekhack
M-x make-me-some-oolong
I use nano, U mad? Well I just use it because it gets what I want to be done and I haven't bothered learning vim or emacs.Mad? No. I feel... pity. May you someday know the joy of coding in a proper editor. Peace be with you.
1998 just called and wants its stupid editor war comments back.This is a method with which to retort that never seems anachronistic.
1998 just called and wants its stupid editor war comments back.Oh, you are young, I see.
1998 just called and wants its stupid editor war comments back.Oh, you are young, I see.
fancy gui, you say? hehehe.1998 just called and wants its stupid editor war comments back.Oh, you are young, I see.
I once mused to myself at people who didn't want a fancy GUI editor to do things, I thought they were intimidated. I know now that they aren't the ones who were misguided.
It was me who was!
fancy gui, you say? hehehe.1998 just called and wants its stupid editor war comments back.Oh, you are young, I see.
I once mused to myself at people who didn't want a fancy GUI editor to do things, I thought they were intimidated. I know now that they aren't the ones who were misguided.
It was me who was!
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Editor: Emacs since... well... Emacs. :psince 1976?
Editor: Emacs since... well... Emacs. :psince 1976?
I use funtoo, and it was my first linux distro. I'm planning on trying arch some time soon on one of my spare computers though.
I think Mint Xfce is my end game OS.Rolling Release is the endgame! :cool:
My first distro was Mandrake. I switched full time around the very first Ubuntu LTS release (because damn winmodems).A year later and I've completely abandoned Fedora, because the project apparently puts more focus into politically correct rubbish than solving actual technical issues. I prefer a working system to a system developed with contributions from elderly African American transgender lesbians—at the risk of being eaten alive by certain redhatters. For example, my webcam has gone from partially usable to unusable in three releases; surprisingly, that's one of the things that currently actually work perfectly in Ubuntu derivatives.
Nowadays I use Kubuntu / Linux Mint KDE, mostly because I like KDE and I've been stuck with Ubuntu derivatives for ages, hence I'm quite familiar with it. However, I strongly disagree with Canonical's direction and recent (i.e. last few years) actions and the core system is horribly rotten; I experience trouble with hardware support, that don't exist elsewhere, packages in official repos are broken out of the box, etc.
I'd be already running Fedora, if Anaconda wasn't so horrible and the fedora.next software management (plus SAT solver for yum) was in place.
I might try ChaletOS as it looks very well done and is highly spoken of.
If it doesn't work out, maybe I'll give Elementary OS another try since I last used the previous release "Luna". "Freya" looks like an improvement.
I might try ChaletOS as it looks very well done and is highly spoken of.
If it doesn't work out, maybe I'll give Elementary OS another try since I last used the previous release "Luna". "Freya" looks like an improvement.
They both look like nice OSes, but I'd be worried about the actual support and raw power. Would be interested to hear your opinions on them however.
Yay, finally got my sound working on arch. I have no idea what I did, but it works now. Everything is working smoothly for now. ^-^
Yay, finally got my sound working on arch. I have no idea what I did, but it works now. Everything is working smoothly for now. ^-^
That pretty much sums up linux :)
14.04 server!
:p
Anyone play with elementaryOS on desktop? Seem pretty nice.
14.04 server!
:p
Anyone play with elementaryOS on desktop? Seem pretty nice.
Yes, it's very nice indeed. I think I'm partial to ChaletOS right now as it's even nicer yet... extremely well done.
My first distro was Mandrake. I switched full time around the very first Ubuntu LTS release (because damn winmodems).A year later and I've completely abandoned Fedora, because the project apparently puts more focus into politically correct rubbish than solving actual technical issues. I prefer a working system to a system developed with contributions from elderly African American transgender lesbians—at the risk of being eaten alive by certain redhatters. For example, my webcam has gone from partially usable to unusable in three releases; surprisingly, that's one of the things that currently actually work perfectly in Ubuntu derivatives.
Nowadays I use Kubuntu / Linux Mint KDE, mostly because I like KDE and I've been stuck with Ubuntu derivatives for ages, hence I'm quite familiar with it. However, I strongly disagree with Canonical's direction and recent (i.e. last few years) actions and the core system is horribly rotten; I experience trouble with hardware support, that don't exist elsewhere, packages in official repos are broken out of the box, etc.
I'd be already running Fedora, if Anaconda wasn't so horrible and the fedora.next software management (plus SAT solver for yum) was in place.
I'm only a bit worried about the development cycle of Kubuntu. Sitting on LTS means I'm sometimes stuck with outdated software, while the upstream actually solves issues (the case of my webcam). OTOH, latest and greatest releases bring other kinds of issues (such as broken default configuration for serial Wacom digitizers, that prohibits them from being detected correctly, or rather at all). Unfortunately, Debian (a) doesn't even have PPAs with the latest upstream software, and (b) downstream isn't any better.
In particular, I'm on the fence about 15.04. I wouldn't have to compile Emacs 24.4 by myself (yay), but I'm still wary of the "KDE 5". Not because I expect a KDE4-like "disaster", but I have a very specific workflow that makes use of some of the weirdest settings in KWin, and some of them may not be implemented… yet?
There's still Gentoo/Funtoo/whatever in the air, but I talked to some power users in autumn, and they hated on software written Haskell, because it's supposedly a PITA to compile and/or manage. That might be a deal breaker for me, because I tend to use quite a lot of data-processing tools in all sorts of very high-level languages.
/rant
14.04 server!
:p
Anyone play with elementaryOS on desktop? Seem pretty nice.
Yes, it's very nice indeed. I think I'm partial to ChaletOS right now as it's even nicer yet... extremely well done.
Haha. Ya, the good old days. I was pretty comfortable with those configure and reboot with fingers crossed scenarios. :)Yay, finally got my sound working on arch. I have no idea what I did, but it works now. Everything is working smoothly for now. ^-^
That pretty much sums up linux :)
It's come a long way since the days of having to create your x86 configuration file by hand, cross-referencing the monitor specifications to ensure you had the right refresh rate and stuff.
Archer here!
I've been using Archlinux for a dang long time, but spent an extended time never upgrading during which the entire distro moved to systemd. While I can pretty much ignore arch-installed services. The stuff I do has me writing init scripts and three years on. Unit files are still a massive struggle to write.
*pacman smiley*Archer here!
awwww yeeeaaahhhh ;D
So I switched to openSUSE Tumbleweed.
So far so good - I used SuSE back in the day, and it hasn't changed that much.
KDE has gone really weird though, ot maybe I've been using GNOME for too long.
From a long time windows user that is curious about linux i wonder, what are the benefits of using linux for someone that knows zero programming (if any)?
massive customizability
hmmm. i was hoping there would be more of an incentive from switching from windows. perhapse a speed boost or a massive customizability to balance out the massive incompatibilities of various programs that are designed for windows. I suppose I can understand the want to get away from microsoft, bill gates is pretty evil (especialy common core he pioneered...) but ideology isnt a reason for me to change from one program to another, I want to switch, but I need a concrete benefit to do so.Check out nixers.net and its Unix screenshots thread. It's what got me into Linux.
I find Linux Mint Cinnamon very user friendly.
So I switched to openSUSE Tumbleweed.
So far so good - I used SuSE back in the day, and it hasn't changed that much.
KDE has gone really weird though, ot maybe I've been using GNOME for too long.
I am just really burned out on the Micro$oft/Adobe/etc ecosystem and want to phase myself into an alternate FOSS universe.
That will take a while and/or until I retire because the business world is so locked in.
I dabbled with Ubuntu/Gnome for about 5 years but got pretty well alienated by Canonical as well.
Recently, I rebuilt my computer in a dual-boot Windows 7 /openSUSE 13.2/KDE configuration and it has not been an easy learning curve for an old man.
The openSUSE forum is far from "welcoming" but since that seems to be the predominant choice for the server universe, I feel that it may be safe and secure for the foreseeable future. So I decided to bite the bullet and try to learn something new.
From a long time windows user that is curious about linux i wonder, what are the benefits of using linux for someone that knows zero programming (if any)?No programming needed. Batteries are included now days.
I have become disillusioned with openSUSE, and switches to Debian 8 (Jessie). So far so good,
I have become disillusioned with openSUSE, and switches to Debian 8 (Jessie). So far so good,
Why are you disillusioned with openSUSE?
I have been slowly working my way into it, since deciding that the preferred server platform OS was most likely to stay alive and up-to-date.
True, the forum is pretty arrogant and hostile, by and large, but that is almost to be expected. There were a handful of people there who were kind and generous in getting me started.
And I am pleased with KDE overall, in preference to Gnome, although YaST is still somewhat inscrutable.
1555 updates (> 800MB) a day kinda put me off. Yes Tumbleweed or whatever it is called is supposed to be a rolling release, but that's ludicrous! I acn't spend half the day installing updates.It isn't as bad in my experience. I run updates every sunday and never had a problem with it on Arch. I would do a weekly update with any distro actually. Unless you have to conserve bandwidth, because it's usually like 300-700MB with 900 installed packages.
Maybe I should re-think my decision.
What I want most is long-term stability, trying to guess which platform will be most stable and well-developed a decade from now.
Canonical looked like it was spiraling down a consumer-oriented rabbit hole, chasing phones and such.
I could live with Unity, I was getting used to it after a rocky start.
People really seem to like Mint.
Maybe I should re-think my decision.
What I want most is long-term stability, trying to guess which platform will be most stable and well-developed a decade from now.
Canonical looked like it was spiraling down a consumer-oriented rabbit hole, chasing phones and such.
I could live with Unity, I was getting used to it after a rocky start.
People really seem to like Mint.
Maybe I should re-think my decision.
What I want most is long-term stability, trying to guess which platform will be most stable and well-developed a decade from now.
Canonical looked like it was spiraling down a consumer-oriented rabbit hole, chasing phones and such.
I could live with Unity, I was getting used to it after a rocky start.
People really seem to like Mint.
I also lost faith with Ubuntu - silly arguments over window control positions, proprietary utilities, very short support time, an apparent growing lack of community support.
I added the GNOME Flashback desktop
I've gone through many distros over the last ~15 years and I keep coming back to Debian or Debian variants like Ubuntu.
- If you want something that's almost as good out of the box that requires a little more know-how and is the epitome of FOSS, Debian is the way to go.
I've gone through many distros over the last ~15 years and I keep coming back to Debian or Debian variants like Ubuntu.
- If you want something that's almost as good out of the box that requires a little more know-how and is the epitome of FOSS, Debian is the way to go.
How much steeper would the learning curve be if I chose Debian with KDE?
Somehow, Canonical has become distasteful to me, but I do not want to jump through hoops of aggravation for silly ideology.
Is OpenSUSE the preferred server platform of the Internet nowadays? I thought it was still split evenly between Microsoft and BSD?
Most virtual server offerings I find offer either CentOS or Ubuntu now. I've always used Ubuntu, so I'm more familiar with the command line of that system, using Apt for package management, sudo for root tasks, etc.
I'm probably the worst Arch user of all time. I rarely actually read before updating. I forget.Maybe I should re-think my decision.
What I want most is long-term stability, trying to guess which platform will be most stable and well-developed a decade from now.
Canonical looked like it was spiraling down a consumer-oriented rabbit hole, chasing phones and such.
I could live with Unity, I was getting used to it after a rocky start.
People really seem to like Mint.
I also lost faith with Ubuntu - silly arguments over window control positions, proprietary utilities, very short support time, an apparent growing lack of community support.
I was using CentOS as my development OS in a virtual machine, nothing wrong with it at all. Well supported, long support (much longer than Ubuntu). The only downside is that packages are necessarily old and not updated frequently, which is fine if you just want a stable well-supported system, but unfortunately I had an increasing need to install more and more newer packages that just weren't supported without installing an increasing number of newer libraries.
I tried Arch - far too much reading, I needed this VM up and running fairly quickly. Also you shouldn't just update Arch willy-nilly without reading all their latest updates and warnings. Again, too much reading.
openSUSE - as described above. I used SuSE back in the day, and work even bought a box set with thick paper manuals included (can you believe that!).
So I tried the newly release Debian which, apart from the kerfuffle around systemd, seems to be doing the job. It is not supported for as long as I might like (not as long as CentOS), but so far so good.
I've gone through many distros over the last ~15 years and I keep coming back to Debian or Debian variants like Ubuntu.
- If you want something that's almost as good out of the box that requires a little more know-how and is the epitome of FOSS, Debian is the way to go.
How much steeper would the learning curve be if I chose Debian with KDE?
Somehow, Canonical has become distasteful to me, but I do not want to jump through hoops of aggravation for silly ideology.
* * * * *
edit - a huge plus is a good user forum.
My experience was that the Ubuntu forum was generally friendly and helpful while the openSUSE forum was mostly snotty and arrogant.
I use both interchangeably now, but when given the choice, I usually pick Ubuntu. Keep in mind that I never use a GUI with Linux, so I just care about ease of use and package availability.i always use GUI with linux. this is why i have cinnamon desktop installed on my work macbook. looks better than mac os .
I use Ubuntu with Gnome3 at work and at home I use windows because the games I played are not available on Linux otherwise I'll always been on Linux.
Well I would have to reboot every time I want to play so it is not desirable IMO. I did have 2 partitions on the machine. One for Ubuntu and the other one for Windows but the result was that I never loaded Ubuntu pretty much.I use Ubuntu with Gnome3 at work and at home I use windows because the games I played are not available on Linux otherwise I'll always been on Linux.
Get two hard drives. One has Linux the other Windows. You can use syslinux, which is a much cleaner and understandable boot manager, IMO, to be able to select which hard drive to boot. At least that way you can use the superior kernel at home as well.
I've been using arch for a little while now, and I'm down to try another Distro, any suggestions? I've tried Ubuntu, and mint.
I've been using arch for a little while now, and I'm down to try another Distro, any suggestions? I've tried Ubuntu, and mint.
Debian Jessie is a lot of fun -- probably not as bleeding edge as you're used to with Arch. If you use the netinstall and choose to install as little as possible when prompted, you'll end up just installing the core distro, and you can build it up much like you would with Arch.
I can't think of another distro off the top of my head that I'd recommend for desktop use. If you're looking for something a little more special than base Debian, BunsenLabs is the spiritual successor to CrunchBang Linux, and it seems to be providing an excellent experience, although it's still in development and I've yet to try it out myself. Bunsen is essentially Debian Jessie with a few decisions already made for you, but it gets you closer to a functional system than a straight Jessie netinst.
I've been using arch for a little while now, and I'm down to try another Distro, any suggestions? I've tried Ubuntu, and mint.out of the debian family! try gentoo.
I've been using arch for a little while now, and I'm down to try another Distro, any suggestions? I've tried Ubuntu, and mint.out of the debian family! try gentoo.
which he has been using for a while.
For home, I mostly use windows with cygwin. All my VMs use ubuntu server for various software testing I do. I can also still use linux software as well with good old x11. The only real reason for windows is gaming and steam.I hope linux starts getting some real support and a large backing. I would love to use linux as my only OS. But I like to game and all that...
For home, I mostly use windows with cygwin. All my VMs use ubuntu server for various software testing I do. I can also still use linux software as well with good old x11. The only real reason for windows is gaming and steam.I hope linux starts getting some real support and a large backing. I would love to use linux as my only OS. But I like to game and all that...
i think with steam kicking off towards linux there should be more to come in time.
We would probably see a lot more if tripple A games where on linux. I'm betting a lot of people would install a free OS that you can play GTA V on..i think with steam kicking off towards linux there should be more to come in time.
Unfortunately, linux still only has less than 1% of Steam installs, and OSX only has around 3% (April Steam survey). It may come, but it's not coming quickly.
We would probably see a lot more if tripple A games where on linux. I'm betting a lot of people would install a free OS that you can play GTA V on..i think with steam kicking off towards linux there should be more to come in time.
Unfortunately, linux still only has less than 1% of Steam installs, and OSX only has around 3% (April Steam survey). It may come, but it's not coming quickly.
I was hearing reports of people having much better performance on CS GO with linux than windows with Nvidia, but AMD seems to be lacking on their driver front even more so with linux.We would probably see a lot more if tripple A games where on linux. I'm betting a lot of people would install a free OS that you can play GTA V on..i think with steam kicking off towards linux there should be more to come in time.
Unfortunately, linux still only has less than 1% of Steam installs, and OSX only has around 3% (April Steam survey). It may come, but it's not coming quickly.
Well we've got a bit of a self-fulfilling prophecy here. Developers won't develop for platforms that have low market share, and gamers won't switch to a platform that doesn't have games.
Most Valve games, and a good number of indie games work on linux, although I've personally had a lot of trouble making them work as well as on Windows.
Same situation here ^^.For home, I mostly use windows with cygwin. All my VMs use ubuntu server for various software testing I do. I can also still use linux software as well with good old x11. The only real reason for windows is gaming and steam.I hope linux starts getting some real support and a large backing. I would love to use linux as my only OS. But I like to game and all that...
I was hearing reports of people having much better performance on CS GO with linux than windows with Nvidia, but AMD seems to be lacking on their driver front even more so with linux.
I'm glad Nvidia has stepped up to the plate for drivers for Linux.
stop windowsing, ie stop gaming :)
dual boot is crap!
it interrupts workflow having to reboot.
i've decided that i just need one computer dedicated to games, and one for crunching.
dual boot is crap!
it interrupts workflow having to reboot.
i've decided that i just need one computer dedicated to games, and one for crunching.
i do my crunching on my laptop. i just can't stand using windows as an OS. but it doesn't make sense to buy ANOTHER machine just for that.
Use winex for gaming. I got 2x the performance on Linux playing WoW instead of windows on the same hardware. There is no reason to not use Linux for gaming.For home, I mostly use windows with cygwin. All my VMs use ubuntu server for various software testing I do. I can also still use linux software as well with good old x11. The only real reason for windows is gaming and steam.I hope linux starts getting some real support and a large backing. I would love to use linux as my only OS. But I like to game and all that...
dual boot is crap!I do agree that it does interrupt the workflow as well. Hence the use of a mini VMware data center and cygwin. I can use both environments at once without stopping a beat. The dual boot method was just to inefficient for me.
it interrupts workflow having to reboot.
i've decided that i just need one computer dedicated to games, and one for crunching.
Are you running it on wine?Use winex for gaming. I got 2x the performance on Linux playing WoW instead of windows on the same hardware. There is no reason to not use Linux for gaming.For home, I mostly use windows with cygwin. All my VMs use ubuntu server for various software testing I do. I can also still use linux software as well with good old x11. The only real reason for windows is gaming and steam.I hope linux starts getting some real support and a large backing. I would love to use linux as my only OS. But I like to game and all that...
dual boot is crap!
it interrupts workflow having to reboot.
i've decided that i just need one computer dedicated to games, and one for crunching.
dual boot is crap!
it interrupts workflow having to reboot.
i've decided that i just need one computer dedicated to games, and one for crunching.
This - been there, done that several times. Just doesn't work.
Now I have 2 or 3 computers, each dedicated to a single operating system.
dual boot is crap!
it interrupts workflow having to reboot.
i've decided that i just need one computer dedicated to games, and one for crunching.
This - been there, done that several times. Just doesn't work.
Now I have 2 or 3 computers, each dedicated to a single operating system.
It is also reasonably cheap to build computers for certain tasks (gaming, general, media, storage, etc.) You can always find decent components to build something at a price tag that doesn't make you cry.
amen.Use winex for gaming. I got 2x the performance on Linux playing WoW instead of windows on the same hardware. There is no reason to not use Linux for gaming.For home, I mostly use windows with cygwin. All my VMs use ubuntu server for various software testing I do. I can also still use linux software as well with good old x11. The only real reason for windows is gaming and steam.I hope linux starts getting some real support and a large backing. I would love to use linux as my only OS. But I like to game and all that...
Huh, that's the first time I've heard of an improvement in FPS switching to Linux. The driver situation isn't really all that hot. What kinda cards do you have, and do you see this advantage in other games as well?https://www.reddit.com/r/linux_gaming/comments/2hex11/csgo_linux_vs_wine_vs_windows_7_performance/
I really miss crunchbang so I started using crunchbang++ and really enjoy it
stop windowsing, ie stop gaming :)
dual hard drive boot master race.
well, except for windows stupid pesky UTC clock correction.
i have 3 SSDs, one with Arch one with Windows 64 and one with windows 32 bit.
I only keep 32 bit system to program my tipro, and the 64 for when my friends forces me to play wow :P but usually never have to set my foot in there otherwise. Pretty liberating :)
I really miss crunchbang so I started using crunchbang++ and really enjoy it
What Linux Distro do the Linux users of GH use?
QuoteWhat Linux Distro do the Linux users of GH use?
FreeBSD
I like Ubuntu, sort of. Tried Arch for a while, they move so fast things break. All I needs a Mac laptop and FreeBSD server.
Yo @ttzhou the new-ish "pkg" is similar to apt-get though, if you wanna manage software from the repos.
It's not Linux I was messing they're descended from 4.4 the final Berkeley UNIX.
Have you ever tried Debian? That's what I'm using right now, and I'm extremely happy with it. If so, how would you compare it to BSD?
bsd with zfs .. win!
Debian/Ubuntu > Arch
After Arch install OpenBSD on IBM Thinkpad and your lifelong virginity is guaranteed.
I feel like I'm posting on /g/ by now in this thread.
as much as i love package management .. it does mess your system up .. try to containerize all the things docker/rocket/nspawn/zones/jails .. pick your flavor .. cgroups / lxc for the win
install gentoo
After Arch install OpenBSD on IBM Thinkpad and your lifelong virginity is guaranteed.I just installed #!++ on my Thinkpad, should I rethink my decision?
I just installed #!++ on my Thinkpad, should I rethink my decision?
Wonder if I can replace the kernel with Mach...
I'm so glad that #!++ exists. Even though I never used #!, I was so sad when I heard it had died.After Arch install OpenBSD on IBM Thinkpad and your lifelong virginity is guaranteed.I just installed #!++ on my Thinkpad, should I rethink my decision?
Wonder if I can replace the kernel with Mach...
I feel like I'm posting on /g/ by now in this thread.
install gentoo
LelI feel like I'm posting on /g/ by now in this thread.install gentoo
install gentoo, richard stall man, poast your battle station, dragon dildos.
I never used #!, because I just thought it was a "trendy" distro for some reason. But a minimal install of some stable base distro, with Openbox for a WM, is what I really prefer. The #!++ install was straightforward, and everything on the Thinkpad works like a charm.I'm so glad that #!++ exists. Even though I never used #!, I was so sad when I heard it had died.After Arch install OpenBSD on IBM Thinkpad and your lifelong virginity is guaranteed.I just installed #!++ on my Thinkpad, should I rethink my decision?
Wonder if I can replace the kernel with Mach...
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I might install it on one of my older rigs to test it out.I never used #!, because I just thought it was a "trendy" distro for some reason. But a minimal install of some stable base distro, with Openbox for a WM, is what I really prefer. The #!++ install was straightforward, and everything on the Thinkpad works like a charm.I'm so glad that #!++ exists. Even though I never used #!, I was so sad when I heard it had died.After Arch install OpenBSD on IBM Thinkpad and your lifelong virginity is guaranteed.I just installed #!++ on my Thinkpad, should I rethink my decision?
Wonder if I can replace the kernel with Mach...
Pardon my ignorance. What niche did #! fill? Any others that fill the same niche?#! Filled the niche of a simple base install. It is quick to install and allows for instant use, unlike things like arch or gentoo, even if those can be more efficient. I think antergos (my current distro) also fills this void and allows you to use the full power of arch.
Crunchbang is just Debian with Openbox is it not.Basically
Cool. Thanks for the details. I have been playing with arch when I have free moments.Pardon my ignorance. What niche did #! fill? Any others that fill the same niche?#! Filled the niche of a simple base install. It is quick to install and allows for instant use, unlike things like arch or gentoo, even if those can be more efficient. I think antergos (my current distro) also fills this void and allows you to use the full power of arch.
Crunchbang is just Debian with Openbox is it not.Basically
Pardon my ignorance. What niche did #! fill? Any others that fill the same niche?#! Filled the niche of a simple base install. It is quick to install and allows for instant use, unlike things like arch or gentoo, even if those can be more efficient. I think antergos (my current distro) also fills this void and allows you to use the full power of arch.
Other distros that are attempting to replace #! are #!++ (Jessie-based), and the BunsenLabs project (in development, compiling a set of scripts that will add a bunch of the crunchbang-related usability improvements and theming to a Jessie netinstall).Have you tried manjaro? I tried it once, and it just felt like a worse more clunky version of antergos. This was almost a year ago though.
I believe Manjaro (arch-based) and Lubuntu also fill similar niches, although with a little more than base openbox.
Other distros that are attempting to replace #! are #!++ (Jessie-based), and the BunsenLabs project (in development, compiling a set of scripts that will add a bunch of the crunchbang-related usability improvements and theming to a Jessie netinstall).Have you tried manjaro? I tried it once, and it just felt like a worse more clunky version of antergos. This was almost a year ago though.
I believe Manjaro (arch-based) and Lubuntu also fill similar niches, although with a little more than base openbox.
People always talk about problems from bleeding edge distros, but they are all I have used and I have had a total of 2 problems over the course of 1 1/2 - 2 ish years.Other distros that are attempting to replace #! are #!++ (Jessie-based), and the BunsenLabs project (in development, compiling a set of scripts that will add a bunch of the crunchbang-related usability improvements and theming to a Jessie netinstall).Have you tried manjaro? I tried it once, and it just felt like a worse more clunky version of antergos. This was almost a year ago though.
I believe Manjaro (arch-based) and Lubuntu also fill similar niches, although with a little more than base openbox.
I haven't tried any arch-based distros, no. My listing was just based on distros I've seen mentioned as similar on the crunchbang forums.
I'm more concerned with stability than bleeding-edge software, so debian seems like a better fit for me. I may throw arch on a spare machine sometime just to see how it runs.
I'm more concerned with stability than bleeding-edge software, so debian seems like a better fit for me. I may throw arch on a spare machine sometime just to see how it runs.
Lubuntu
Legend has it jedi wizard status is attained through gentoo install stage1 tar ball.
Cool. Thanks for the details. I have been playing with arch when I have free moments.Pardon my ignorance. What niche did #! fill? Any others that fill the same niche?#! Filled the niche of a simple base install. It is quick to install and allows for instant use, unlike things like arch or gentoo, even if those can be more efficient. I think antergos (my current distro) also fills this void and allows you to use the full power of arch.
I want to spend more time with coreos when I have a chance as well. I work with containers quite a bit (started working with them 8 years ago with openvz). Actually, the current implementation of builder.swillkb.com is powered by LXC in order to overcome the single tenant issues of FreeCAD.
Cool. Thanks for the details. I have been playing with arch when I have free moments.Pardon my ignorance. What niche did #! fill? Any others that fill the same niche?#! Filled the niche of a simple base install. It is quick to install and allows for instant use, unlike things like arch or gentoo, even if those can be more efficient. I think antergos (my current distro) also fills this void and allows you to use the full power of arch.
I want to spend more time with coreos when I have a chance as well. I work with containers quite a bit (started working with them 8 years ago with openvz). Actually, the current implementation of builder.swillkb.com is powered by LXC in order to overcome the single tenant issues of FreeCAD.
coreos does rocket (nspawn goodie) or simply docker, now lxc for multitennants .. thats what i call brave .. well hit me up on freenode #coreos if you stuck somewhere :)
Cool. Thanks for the details. I have been playing with arch when I have free moments.Pardon my ignorance. What niche did #! fill? Any others that fill the same niche?#! Filled the niche of a simple base install. It is quick to install and allows for instant use, unlike things like arch or gentoo, even if those can be more efficient. I think antergos (my current distro) also fills this void and allows you to use the full power of arch.
I want to spend more time with coreos when I have a chance as well. I work with containers quite a bit (started working with them 8 years ago with openvz). Actually, the current implementation of builder.swillkb.com is powered by LXC in order to overcome the single tenant issues of FreeCAD.
coreos does rocket (nspawn goodie) , now lxc for multitennants .. thats what i call brave .. well hit me up on freenode #coreos if you stuck somewhere :)
Virtualised CentOS on my servers and for now I'm running OSX on my macbook but have been planning to move it over to arch at some point.Using Linux on your MacBook is so much better.
I suspect that battery life will drop significantly. At least that's what I've always seen when using Linux instead of Windows on laptops. Also Apple really doubled down on power efficiency in recent OS versions.Virtualised CentOS on my servers and for now I'm running OSX on my macbook but have been planning to move it over to arch at some point.Using Linux on your MacBook is so much better.
I suspect that battery life will drop significantly. At least that's what I've always seen when using Linux instead of Windows on laptops. Also Apple really doubled down on power efficiency in recent OS versions.Virtualised CentOS on my servers and for now I'm running OSX on my macbook but have been planning to move it over to arch at some point.Using Linux on your MacBook is so much better.
Would Crunchbang be a good distro to start of on Linux?
I had few classes of Unix/Linux so I got the basics, but I never used it on my personnal machines.
nope.I suspect that battery life will drop significantly.Virtualised CentOS on my servers and for now I'm running OSX on my macbook but have been planning to move it over to arch at some point.Using Linux on your MacBook is so much better.
nope.I suspect that battery life will drop significantly.Virtualised CentOS on my servers and for now I'm running OSX on my macbook but have been planning to move it over to arch at some point.Using Linux on your MacBook is so much better.
mac osx has special battery opimisation backend in, nothing todo with the regluar cpu/gpu switching ..
so yes the battery will drop signif. faster on linux vs on macosx on ANY macbook
What do you run openbsd on, and what do you use it for just curious.
What do you run openbsd on, and what do you use it for just curious.
BSD, Solaris, and variants are typically used to run network infrastructure. I don't know why anyone would use it for a "desktop" OS unless it's a new trend.
apple invested alot in better battery management special for there own hardware ..
What do you run openbsd on, and what do you use it for just curious.
BSD, Solaris, and variants are typically used to run network infrastructure. I don't know why anyone would use it for a "desktop" OS unless it's a new trend.
I used Solaris with CDE on a Sun SparcStation, but that was a different life...
What do you run openbsd on, and what do you use it for just curious.
BSD, Solaris, and variants are typically used to run network infrastructure. I don't know why anyone would use it for a "desktop" OS unless it's a new trend.
I used Solaris with CDE on a Sun SparcStation, but that was a different life...
Yes, that was many moons ago for sure. ;) ...but today...
Would Crunchbang be a good distro to start of on Linux?
I had few classes of Unix/Linux so I got the basics, but I never used it on my personnal machines.
try to compare macosx on a mac to linux on a mac and compare the batterie life .. your statement is rather unsolicited if you drain your power for no reasion of coures it will be faster depleated, yet there is a major difference how macosx does powermanagement on a mac vs how linux handles it .
make statements if you know what you talk about .. else its sometimes better to keep the fingers still and say nothing at all ..
no hard feelings , yet apple invested alot in better battery management special for there own hardware ..
make statements if you know what you talk about .. else its sometimes better to keep the fingers still and say nothing at all ..Great advice. Works for me all the time.
make statements if you know what you talk about .. else its sometimes better to keep the fingers still and say nothing at all ..Great advice. Works for me all the time.
i also said there are tools which you can use to make the battery life better by using some power mangaement tools in linux, but it will not be the same as under osx.
Changing os doesn't change the battery hardware, I was once told.
What do you run openbsd on, and what do you use it for just curious.
BSD, Solaris, and variants are typically used to run network infrastructure. I don't know why anyone would use it for a "desktop" OS unless it's a new trend.
What do you run openbsd on, and what do you use it for just curious.
BSD, Solaris, and variants are typically used to run network infrastructure. I don't know why anyone would use it for a "desktop" OS unless it's a new trend.
I was asking dude what's his machine and application. I used to wanna build a PF box, but OpenBSD is suprisingly good on laptops too.
...although OSX is technically a BSD variant...So...
Would Crunchbang be a good distro to start of on Linux?
I had few classes of Unix/Linux so I got the basics, but I never used it on my personnal machines.
Crunchbang is a good distro, but it's no longer supported; it's still usable, but it takes a bit of work to point it at somewhere to let it actually get security updates. You could try !#++ or BunsenLabs, they're both based on the same ideas.
I found both Crunchbang and Linux Mint to be nice and friendly for transitioning to a full time linux base.
What do you run openbsd on, and what do you use it for just curious.
BSD, Solaris, and variants are typically used to run network infrastructure. I don't know why anyone would use it for a "desktop" OS unless it's a new trend.
I used Solaris with CDE on a Sun SparcStation, but that was a different life...
Yes, that was many moons ago for sure. ;) ...but today...
I miss VMS, too. But I doubt there are many VAX servers still in operation today. :P
Again, why go through the trouble of separate drives and multi-booting when you can just install it as a virtual machine? It's much easier, safer, and great for testing.
Here's a thought - what we need is an interface to email apps and a means of using that from within a game.
For example in a technological FPS you'd go up to the nearest computer and check your emails. In a non-technological FPS you'd maybe go to the nearest post office or similar to check mails.
In RPG you'd go to the nearest messenger or witch doctor or something to check emails.
Others where your character is augmented, you could have a HUD option for checking emails (in the real world).
That reason doesn't make much sense since you still have to install the OS as if it was on a separate piece of hardware. It's just easier because you don't need a separate machine or have to wipe out your current set up.
Dual-booting is generally OK beyond the need to boot in and out to change OS, but this probably has some security benefit.
Here's a thought - what we need is an interface to email apps and a means of using that from within a game.
For example in a technological FPS you'd go up to the nearest computer and check your emails. In a non-technological FPS you'd maybe go to the nearest post office or similar to check mails.
In RPG you'd go to the nearest messenger or witch doctor or something to check emails.
Others where your character is augmented, you could have a HUD option for checking emails (in the real world).
That sounds like it could easily lead to invasions of privacy, or at least outcry from people who think that it's an invasion of privacy even if it isn't.
Just check your mail on your phone, rowdy.
I thought you were going to dual-boot, RRH? If you are installing it on a separate machine then it doesn't matter. What do you mean "as if" and you're not a fan of "as if?
No, it would be like using the game as an email client, except it interfaced with the email client on your game PC (with appropriate authorisation and authentication etc.).
So, you've never used VMware and you don't trust it...is basically why you don't want to do it. That's cool. I was just curious as to why. As far as *nix goes there is absolutely no difference when virtualized.I have personally had **** luck when trying to install any form of linux on a VM, and I always get stuck with **** resolutions as well, and it is less hassle for me to also dual boot it, I don't know why, but I have had better luck and it is easier for me to just throw it on another HDD and dual boot.
Okay, you want me to keep on going...just wanting to learn is not a valid reason for not virtualizing. You still have to install the OS (virtually) and use the OS (virtually). So, how are you missing out on learning about Linux by virtualizing?
So, you've never used VMware and you don't trust it...is basically why you don't want to do it. That's cool. I was just curious as to why. As far as *nix goes there is absolutely no difference when virtualized.I have personally had **** luck when trying to install any form of linux on a VM, and I always get stuck with **** resolutions as well, and it is less hassle for me to also dual boot it, I don't know why, but I have had better luck and it is easier for me to just throw it on another HDD and dual boot.
Okay, you want me to keep on going...just wanting to learn is not a valid reason for not virtualizing. You still have to install the OS (virtually) and use the OS (virtually). So, how are you missing out on learning about Linux by virtualizing?
I said you could politely stop arguing if you want, but I guess you missed that. Anyway...
It's not that I wouldn't learn about Linux; it's that I wouldn't learn how to use Linux as if it were a standalone OS. Simply having the ability to switch back and forth between Windows and Linux in two seconds means that I would be less likely to learn to do things the right way in Linux and more likely to just fall back to doing them the way I've previously done them, in Windows.
I really think you are cheating yourself out of learning even more about Linux and computer hardware and software in general by not virtualizing. And I'd be glad to answer any questions you have about it. There is no way to do something "right or wrong" depending on whether it's virtualized or not. It's Linux and it works the same either way. I get the feeling that you may have gotten some incorrect information somewhere. Like I said, feel free to PM me if you decide you want to try virtualizing. I'd be glad to help.
I have been on and off trying different distros, with my latest try 2 months ago.So, you've never used VMware and you don't trust it...is basically why you don't want to do it. That's cool. I was just curious as to why. As far as *nix goes there is absolutely no difference when virtualized.I have personally had **** luck when trying to install any form of linux on a VM, and I always get stuck with **** resolutions as well, and it is less hassle for me to also dual boot it, I don't know why, but I have had better luck and it is easier for me to just throw it on another HDD and dual boot.
That's a valid argument. I've had that experience in the past as well, but it was years ago and with a hypervisor other than VMware. Have you tried VMware within the past few years?
Well, with VMs you can change the hardware configuration to specs beyond what your actual hardware supports which can be beneficial for testing your software for instance. You also have the luxury of testing out experimental drivers or other software without fear of hosing your system. You have a lot of flexibility you don't have with a "native" installation.
Is it that you just don't trust yourself having Windows so easily accessible and you fear that you may just use Windows instead of Linux because it's what you are used to? I can certainly understand that as well.
Is it that you just don't trust yourself having Windows so easily accessible and you fear that you may just use Windows instead of Linux because it's what you are used to? I can certainly understand that as well.
VMware? That's the company sued for allegedly violating GNU GPL (https://sfconservancy.org/news/2015/mar/05/vmware-lawsuit/)? No, without thanks.
VMware sounds great, if only I didn't have to spend money to get it. :(
I have basic understanding why Linux has been successful (hint: GNU GPLv2), I'm not ignorant to ethical issues, and I'm not a shill. This apparently isn't true for everyone in this thread.VMware? That's the company sued for allegedly violating GNU GPL (https://sfconservancy.org/news/2015/mar/05/vmware-lawsuit/)? No, without thanks.
RMS, is that you? :p
I have basic understanding why Linux has been successful (hint: GNU GPLv2), I'm not ignorant to ethical issues, and I'm not a shill. This apparently isn't true for everyone in this thread.VMware? That's the company sued for allegedly violating GNU GPL (https://sfconservancy.org/news/2015/mar/05/vmware-lawsuit/)? No, without thanks.
RMS, is that you? :p
I have basic understanding why Linux has been successful (hint: GNU GPLv2), I'm not ignorant to ethical issues, and I'm not a shill. This apparently isn't true for everyone in this thread.VMware? That's the company sued for allegedly violating GNU GPL (https://sfconservancy.org/news/2015/mar/05/vmware-lawsuit/)? No, without thanks.
RMS, is that you? :p
1. That has nothing to do with virtualization. If you have hd/fs problems then you will have problems with your host machine as well.My point is that if one drive fails, you still have a running drive. If you're doing windows updates and have a power failure, that can potentially bork up the install. With a dual boot system, I can boot into my second OS and carry on until I've fixed the Windows error. If my second OS is virtualized, I need to invest the time to fix the host boot drive before I can continue doing any work on that machine. Yes not directly related, but I would say still applicable.
2. Not an issue for modern machines.I agree, however not all of us are blessed with modern machines. My newest x86 hardware is a 2-3 year old laptop, my newest desktop hardware (core system) is at least 6 years old at this point. It still does what I need it to do, so I don't see a need to upgrade. Many others are in the same situation, either for financial reasons or for simply wanting to run hardware into the ground. Much cheaper to pick up a second disk for dual boot than to execute an entire platform upgrade. Definitely cheaper to pick up a disk for dual boot than to pay for VMware.
3. What? Managing VMs is as easy as managing tabs in a browser.Once the setup has been completed, I agree. Determining allocation of resources, installing virtualization tools, etc. is a little more complicated than hitting the new tab button. Your response does not address my concerns regarding hardware passthrough.
4. True. If you are a serious gamer you definitely need to have a native install of Windows. Now there have been some really good improvements in graphics support with WMware in the last year or two. So, if you are a more casual gamer then you will probably be happy with a Windows VM if you use VMware Workstation on a modern PC with a fairly recent graphics card.That may be true. I concede that improvements may make casual gaming possible using VMware possible. At that point, it would be a decision between the ~30 seconds less of gaming per session (for a casual gamer, probably only a few times a month) versus the initial financial investment into virtualization software.
5. True (if you don't have another PC with your old OS close by ;))It makes a difference to me even when I have another machine with the old OS on my desk. I'm already using this machine, I may as well continue to use it. I concede that it may not be as simple for some people or personality types.
The main things I love about virtualization are the ability to test and the ability to restore and migrate machines to different hardware and software platforms. You also have the ability to have separate machines for specific tasks or for running software that is no longer supported. There are tons of reasons to run VMs.These are definitely good reasons, some of which I mentioned in my previous post. However, several of these concepts go beyond the concept of simply replacing a dual boot environment and confound the issue. I do not deny that virtualization has its benefits, I am simply arguing that virtualization is not superior in all cases to a dual-boot environment. These particular advantages can apply to a dual boot environment as well, perhaps even using the same virtual machines on both hosts. Granted, if one is splitting every task into a VM, there would not be need for a dual-boot environment.
The biggest problem I see people run into when they try virtualization is that they want to use a free hypervisor like Virtualbox or KVM and there is huge difference between those and VMware. I've tried them all and they just don't compare. If you do want to try it out do yourself a favor and use VMware Workstation or Fusion.The main draw of Linux for a casual user, in my experience, is based on two factors. The first factor is that it is an alternative to Windows that can be legally installed on their current PC, regardless of age or hardware limitations. The second factor is that it is a free alternative. Paying for virtualization software is significantly more expensive than a second hard drive (cheap SSDs can be found in the $50 range, as can 1TB HDDs), which could have use even if the user decides they don't like the other OS. It's also possible that one might have a HDD left over from an old system that they could use for free. Previewing posts tells me that this concern has already been addressed by some, but I will leave this response for completness' sake.
I have basic understanding why Linux has been successful (hint: GNU GPLv2), I'm not ignorant to ethical issues, and I'm not a shill. This apparently isn't true for everyone in this thread.VMware? That's the company sued for allegedly violating GNU GPL (https://sfconservancy.org/news/2015/mar/05/vmware-lawsuit/)? No, without thanks.
RMS, is that you? :p
I really can't believe that you are calling me a stupid, amoral, shill. You are a real douche. I don't work for VMware. I've been in the hosting business for a while now and it's the standard for a reason...it's easy to use and it "just works".
If davkol's reply wasn't a personal attack, and totally uncalled for, then I don't know what is. It's not like I'm new around here.
My point is that if one drive fails, you still have a running drive.
With a dual boot system, I can boot into my second OS and carry on until I've fixed the Windows error.
The second factor is that it is a free alternative.
a second hard drive (cheap SSDs can be found in the $50 range, as can 1TB HDDs), which could have use
It's also possible that one might have a HDD left over from an old system that they could use for free.
What do you run openbsd on, and what do you use it for just curious.
Would Crunchbang be a good distro to start of on Linux?
I had few classes of Unix/Linux so I got the basics, but I never used it on my personnal machines.
What do you run openbsd on, and what do you use it for just curious.
BSD, Solaris, and variants are typically used to run network infrastructure. I don't know why anyone would use it for a "desktop" OS unless it's a new trend.
What do you run openbsd on, and what do you use it for just curious.
BSD, Solaris, and variants are typically used to run network infrastructure. I don't know why anyone would use it for a "desktop" OS unless it's a new trend.
I used Solaris with CDE on a Sun SparcStation, but that was a different life...
Yes, that was many moons ago for sure. ;) ...but today...
I miss VMS, too. But I doubt there are many VAX servers still in operation today. :P
What do you run openbsd on, and what do you use it for just curious.
BSD, Solaris, and variants are typically used to run network infrastructure. I don't know why anyone would use it for a "desktop" OS unless it's a new trend.
I used Solaris with CDE on a Sun SparcStation, but that was a different life...
Yes, that was many moons ago for sure. ;) ...but today...
I miss VMS, too. But I doubt there are many VAX servers still in operation today. :P
Were you able to successfully install VMware tools, pwnnarwhal? I've had problems before dong that sometimes.
Would Crunchbang be a good distro to start of on Linux?
I had few classes of Unix/Linux so I got the basics, but I never used it on my personnal machines.
Think of #! as sort of a minimalist distro- but last word was that dev on it was going to stop (ie the project was dying)- I think I remember reading about a fork of the project, but last I heard it's gone...too bad...
There's been too many replies to comments above, but my input is as follows.
I've been using VirtualBox for a while on both Windows and Mac hosts. I virtualise Windows, Linux and BSD guests. Windows and Linux guests have "guest additions" which are basically a bunch of drivers provided by Oracle to install in VirtualBox guests to allow mouse/keyboard sharing, clipboard sharing, USB pass-through, better video support, experimental DirectX support (or something like that, I've only tried it once with Windows 7 to get Aero working). No such drivers for BSD (FreeBSD/NetBSD), so most of those features are missing, which didn't bother me.
If you virtualise only what you need to, then the VM image doesn't need to be that big. One huge benefit is that you can backup the VM image, and restore/import it onto a different host and just continue from when the VM was backupped. You don't have driver issues in the virtual guest (which is a huge problem on Windows). The only potential problem is whether the VM software allows you to create a backup of a running VM.
At work we are moving to a virtualised solution. We have acquired a couple of fairly decent servers, and are getting a NAS. Both servers have duel drives in RAID 1 for the host OS, which will be XenServer. The VM images will live on the NA, which will have 4 drives in RAID 10. XenServer allows you to create a snapshot of a running VM, and then create a VM template based on a snapshot, so at any time you can create a new VM based on that template. XenServer supports live migration, where a running VM can be migrated to another XenServer host in the same pool with no outage. It also supports load balancing, but only in the paid version (we are starting off with the free version).
Sorry for all the replies, was trying to catch up with the tread, and was responding as I was reading...
Would Crunchbang be a good distro to start of on Linux?
I had few classes of Unix/Linux so I got the basics, but I never used it on my personnal machines.
Think of #! as sort of a minimalist distro- but last word was that dev on it was going to stop (ie the project was dying)- I think I remember reading about a fork of the project, but last I heard it's gone...too bad...
#! is meant was a minimal yet fully-featured distro. Lightweight, but with all of the programs its maintainer felt were required for a production-ready system.
#! itself is no longer being maintained, but multiple projects are attempting to continue in the same vein. Take a look at #!++ and BunsenLabs if you're interested in the niche #! used to fill.
The rest of your advice looks to be pretty solid.There's been too many replies to comments above, but my input is as follows.
I've been using VirtualBox for a while on both Windows and Mac hosts. I virtualise Windows, Linux and BSD guests. Windows and Linux guests have "guest additions" which are basically a bunch of drivers provided by Oracle to install in VirtualBox guests to allow mouse/keyboard sharing, clipboard sharing, USB pass-through, better video support, experimental DirectX support (or something like that, I've only tried it once with Windows 7 to get Aero working). No such drivers for BSD (FreeBSD/NetBSD), so most of those features are missing, which didn't bother me.
If you virtualise only what you need to, then the VM image doesn't need to be that big. One huge benefit is that you can backup the VM image, and restore/import it onto a different host and just continue from when the VM was backupped. You don't have driver issues in the virtual guest (which is a huge problem on Windows). The only potential problem is whether the VM software allows you to create a backup of a running VM.
At work we are moving to a virtualised solution. We have acquired a couple of fairly decent servers, and are getting a NAS. Both servers have duel drives in RAID 1 for the host OS, which will be XenServer. The VM images will live on the NA, which will have 4 drives in RAID 10. XenServer allows you to create a snapshot of a running VM, and then create a VM template based on a snapshot, so at any time you can create a new VM based on that template. XenServer supports live migration, where a running VM can be migrated to another XenServer host in the same pool with no outage. It also supports load balancing, but only in the paid version (we are starting off with the free version).
VirtualBox is what I've used most for virtualization. I have no severe complaints about it. Guest additions are definitely a huge benefit. It's always served me well for playing with things, testing release previews, etc. In my experience, it hasn't been as snappy as running the same OS on the hardware directly, but that probably has more to do with reduced resources than the software itself.
That sounds like a very intriguing setup. I assume it would be used for testing and development work that will benefit from everyone in the team having access to the same snapshots. I'd be interested in hearing how well XenServer is working for you, once you have a bit more experience with it.
Side note -- I can't look at 'Xen' without thinking about Half-Life.Sorry for all the replies, was trying to catch up with the tread, and was responding as I was reading...
In future, you can edit your post rather than posting 7x in a row. If you see multiple posts you want to respond to, hit the multiquote button on each, and the regular quote on the last post you wish to reply to, you should be able to quote them all in the same reply.
No problem. Sorry about that (I know better)- Just enjoy the topic.
#! was from the UK was it not? I ran it for a while. I enjoyed it.
I think there's an ArchBang now...
VirtualBox is what I've used most for virtualization. I have no severe complaints about it. Guest additions are definitely a huge benefit. It's always served me well for playing with things, testing release previews, etc. In my experience, it hasn't been as snappy as running the same OS on the hardware directly, but that probably has more to do with reduced resources than the software itself.
That sounds like a very intriguing setup. I assume it would be used for testing and development work that will benefit from everyone in the team having access to the same snapshots. I'd be interested in hearing how well XenServer is working for you, once you have a bit more experience with it.
Side note -- I can't look at 'Xen' without thinking about Half-Life.
I installed Ubuntu today, and everything works perfectly! I know, it's a small victory, but hey, I'm excited. I'm enjoying Linux already. :)
The only real complaint I ever had with Ubuntu was Unity and later the adware. That's why I switched to Linux Mint as it was an improved version of Ubuntu without the ugly interface. People complained about Metro on Win8 but I thought Unity was much worse.
IMO Canonical has done more to spread Linux to the desktop than anyone else.Now it's their time to step aside :p
Manjaro (OpenRC spin), Gentoo (OpenRC), Void (runit) and Slackware are 4 alternatives to systemd distros. I don't think any of the other alternatives are quite as functional right now.why are you ruling out PCLinuxOS?
Arch is not difficult at all. Time consuming to setup, maybe, but not difficult. Just follow the instructions and you're golden. And since you install everything, you know what is installed, why it's installed, and what it does. And how to remove it if you don't need or want it.Pretty much. Everything from Windows to MenuetOS. What I mean is, you have everything from every possible hardware and software combination to the absolute minimalist hardware/software combination!
Sometimes it is just easier to have someone else make those install time decisions for you, and that's why you have your simple but bloated popular distros.
I'm using Linux mint but have been working up the courage to try arch for a while. While I love mint, I love the idea of building from the ground up more.
I'm using Linux mint but have been working up the courage to try arch for a while. While I love mint, I love the idea of building from the ground up more.
I think a lot of the stigma of the "difficulty" of arch is that some of its more prominent/outspoken members can be real elitist *******s. this is definitely a minority, in my experience, but they do pop up now and then.
just fire up a VM, practice in there, and use the arch wiki. I almost never have to post on the forums anymore. what really makes arch amazing, to me, is its package manager - fast, written in C, and by a Canadian to boot.
I'm using Linux mint but have been working up the courage to try arch for a while. While I love mint, I love the idea of building from the ground up more.
I think a lot of the stigma of the "difficulty" of arch is that some of its more prominent/outspoken members can be real elitist *******s. this is definitely a minority, in my experience, but they do pop up now and then.
just fire up a VM, practice in there, and use the arch wiki. I almost never have to post on the forums anymore. what really makes arch amazing, to me, is its package manager - fast, written in C, and by a Canadian to boot.
Arch wiki is beautiful no matter what distro you're using, really. Ton of good info there.
Arch is also somewhat intimidating because it starts you with a command line and nothing else. Someone reasonably comfortable with another distro and using the terminal already shouldn't be put off by that too much, but I'd still call it a factor.
I like the prospect of Arch and I'm good in the Debian based terminals, but I've not worked up the desire to try to actually use Arch. Typically I don't keep Linux installed long enough to make it worth my time, though I do want to try it out someday. I typically program in Windows and I get a lot of crap for it from others who think OSX is the best, but I use Cygwin which is a great alternative to an entirely different OS. I just want something that works without having to deal with multibooting.
You sound like an archer. ;) Why do you choose to stay in windows? Ive been coding in all three oses you have mentioned. Depending on what you are coding(if not x platform stuff, or visual studio) nix is by far the smoothest.
I prefer using VIM for most of my coding(everything except java). i do some java in IntelliJ. The rest of the stuff invloved in programming like version control, building etc are done in the terminal when youve done this a couple of times you get more effective, more so than clicking around in version control guis and click builders. You learn how to use buildflags in proper ways and so on.
Manjaro (OpenRC spin), Gentoo (OpenRC), Void (runit) and Slackware are 4 alternatives to systemd distros. I don't think any of the other alternatives are quite as functional right now. Void is the freshest one of those and comes with a very attractive set of perks, so I'm gonna try that one next.
i haven't tried it but i have a friend that likes it. neat idea for spinning up quick VMs to do dirty work :)I guess you're right :))
You sound like an archer. ;) Why do you choose to stay in windows? Ive been coding in all three oses you have mentioned. Depending on what you are coding(if not x platform stuff, or visual studio) nix is by far the smoothest.
I prefer using VIM for most of my coding(everything except java). i do some java in IntelliJ. The rest of the stuff invloved in programming like version control, building etc are done in the terminal when youve done this a couple of times you get more effective, more so than clicking around in version control guis and click builders. You learn how to use buildflags in proper ways and so on.
Well I do most of my coding on my laptop which is running Win8. I have three disks, a 16GB SSD, 500GB HDD, and 250GB HDD. I can't normally see the SSD because of the way Win8 is setup as my laptop cold boots to the login screen in about 8 seconds or so. I don't want to mess with dual/multiboot in that sense.
I also work IT so I have to be able to do things in Windows and I'd prefer to stay on my laptop than switching back and forth to the all in one at the helpdesk. Also whenever there is downtime I game on Steam and not enough games are on Linux yet. I also use OneDrive for all of my documents and such, which isn't all that good for Linux. Overall, I think it is a good prospect, but it just doesn't work for me currently.
i haven't tried it but i have a friend that likes it. neat idea for spinning up quick VMs to do dirty work :)
i haven't tried it but i have a friend that likes it. neat idea for spinning up quick VMs to do dirty work :)
STH IS BACK????
i haven't tried it but i have a friend that likes it. neat idea for spinning up quick VMs to do dirty work :)
STH IS BACK????
osi has 1000 posts? :confused:
Just a shout out to those that talked about ARCH, never tried it before and have fallen for it. Awesome distro. Cheers allWelcome, bruh :cool:
Just a shout out to those that talked about ARCH, never tried it before and have fallen for it. Awesome distro. Cheers all
i haven't tried it but i have a friend that likes it. neat idea for spinning up quick VMs to do dirty work :)
STH IS BACK????
Many arch users here. Anyone tried to replace systemd with OpenRC or something?
I want a distributive which is 1) not Gentoo 2) can be run without systemd 3) allows fine tuning. My ultimate goal is working all day on a single charge.
Many arch users here. Anyone tried to replace systemd with OpenRC or something?
I want a distributive which is 1) not Gentoo 2) can be run without systemd 3) allows fine tuning. My ultimate goal is working all day on a single charge.
yeah, thanks, i know about manjaro.Many arch users here. Anyone tried to replace systemd with OpenRC or something?
I want a distributive which is 1) not Gentoo 2) can be run without systemd 3) allows fine tuning. My ultimate goal is working all day on a single charge.
Check out the two stickies with Manjaro OpenRC spins (https://forum.manjaro.org/index.php?board=50.0).
I installed Ubuntu today, and everything works perfectly! I know, it's a small victory, but hey, I'm excited. I'm enjoying Linux already. :)
This is really the point of Ubuntu. It just works, pretty much every time. People can disparage it all they want for being a corporate distro, but IMO Canonical has done more to spread Linux to the desktop than anyone else.
On a sidenote I've tried Fedora, Suse and a couple of Ubuntu derivatives in the past year and none of them successfully boot my Windows installation without editing grub files. Perhaps I did something weird but it doesn't seem newbie friendly and reminds me of the distant past when I installed Mandrake Linux (renamed to Mandriva in 2005, this was years before that) on the family computer, hosed the bootloader, and landed up reformatting to get Windows back and lost everything :-[
Thanks guys - I didn't know about void linux before and I love it!
An actual new distro? It's been a while since I've heard of one of them, will have to give Void a go!
On a sidenote I've tried Fedora, Suse and a couple of Ubuntu derivatives in the past year and none of them successfully boot my Windows installation without editing grub files. Perhaps I did something weird but it doesn't seem newbie friendly and reminds me of the distant past when I installed Mandrake Linux (renamed to Mandriva in 2005, this was years before that) on the family computer, hosed the bootloader, and landed up reformatting to get Windows back and lost everything :-[
This is my usual process:
1. Shut down the PC
2. Unplug the drive containing the Windows installation, use a second motherboard port to plug in the drive you're going to put linux on.
3. Install linux to the new drive, install grub (or other bootloader) when prompted during installation.
4. After your linux is up and running, shut down the PC.
5. Plug the hard drive containing the Windows installation back in.
6. Boot into linux (grub will not detect your Windows install yet).
7. Open a terminal, run sudo update-grub.
8. You should now be able to boot the Windows installation.
That has always worked for me for getting grub to pick up the previous installation. If the grub menu is not showing at boot for some reason, I believe editing configuration files will be necessary.
I use Mint Linux on my notebook PCs, Raspian on RPi (though I might try Fedora Remix on RPi2), and CentOS/RHEL or Amazon Linux for professional stuff. I used to like to try different distributions, but now I just want something that works for my purposes.Pretty much what I do with my machines at with and home.
Void has finally installed in a bootable state and I'm pleased to report it is the first distro to add a working entry for Windows install.
The only problem is that the installation from the Enlightenment ISO is so bare I'm lost - the terminal doesn't even have double-tab autocomplete enabled, and my arrow keys are sending character codes so I have to type everything manually and perfectly :))
Not sure whether this is a good thing as I'll have to relearn Linux and type better, or if it's just going to annoy me.
Edit: updated and the flashy double tab now works, as do arrows. Guess the installer is newer than the image it installs...
So far - no audacity. This is not acceptable but if it's the only problem I encounter I'll try and get it added to the repository.
Edit 2: Failed to restart after updates, even using the old kernel. Some breakage is to be expected but this is too much I think.
Edit: Audacity is now available and installing! I'm thinking the Enlightenment iso must have been really old...
Anyone using a 4K monitor? What distro or desktop environment does high DPI scaling?Let me look that up for you (https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/HiDPI).
Apple's 4K monitor.
I use xbuntu 14.10
Then again I've used Mint, Vector, Crunchbang, Peppermint, puppy...
I'm on a single core atom as my linux deice so always on the hunt for something that balances usability with leanness. Just trying to keep ye olden CR48 running. It's been a fairly good box.
Ha the proto-Chrome Book. Nobody kept Chrome OS, they just wanted a free computer to run X distro.
Anyone using a 4K monitor? What distro or desktop environment does high DPI scaling?Linux Mint Cinnamon does work, it might not always auto-detect, but you can enable/disable scaling in the preferences pane.
I use xbuntu 14.10
Then again I've used Mint, Vector, Crunchbang, Peppermint, puppy...
I'm on a single core atom as my linux deice so always on the hunt for something that balances usability with leanness. Just trying to keep ye olden CR48 running. It's been a fairly good box.
I use xbuntu 14.10
Then again I've used Mint, Vector, Crunchbang, Peppermint, puppy...
I'm on a single core atom as my linux deice so always on the hunt for something that balances usability with leanness. Just trying to keep ye olden CR48 running. It's been a fairly good box.
Thanks for reminding me about Crunchbang. It's so sad that project was finally abandoned; that was a great distro and it is still influencing other distros to this day. If not for #!, I probably would have never learned how to write a Conky script, so I'm thankful for that. Speaking of influence, I've just got to get around to checking out ArchBang. One of these days ...
Related question. I'm looking to grab a Thinkpad X200. I know it's old, but it's on eBay for 100€ whereas an X201 would be 150ish. Am I crazy for thinking a P8600 2,4 GHz dual-core is enough for most Linux tasks?
Anyway. As far as operating systems to go with it, I'd like some input from people who use that laptop. Was thinking either Manjaro as a replacement for Arch (I don't wanna deal with a manual install. RIP install scripts.), Crunchbang++ representing Debian or possibly Void. Can anyone tell me if all your important hardware worked properly on those distros? Mute-button I can do without or fix it by hand. Low power draw is very important. I'll probably undervolt it as well.
you ditched the DE for what?My guess would be for nothing -- DEs are optional.
I really don't think a p8600 makes a good lappy these days..
you ditched the DE for what?My guess would be for nothing -- DEs are optional.
I really don't think a p8600 makes a good lappy these days..
High end C2D's were extremely fast, faster than most people realize, a P8600 keeps up with mid level second gen Core I5's and is barely slower than a 3rd gen.
Hardware simply has not marched on like you think it has since the Core2 era. The primary focus has really been on power consumption, performance improvements have come from SATA3, more memory, and SSD's. Not so much from the processors really.
Depends on the benchmark you look at and what you are doing, not to mention processor differences get dulled by other components. Which is why you shouldn't rely so much on benchmarks that is focused only on one component.Say wha... p8600 is like 1500 cpu bench, 2520m is 3000+ double IPCI really don't think a p8600 makes a good lappy these days..High end C2D's were extremely fast, faster than most people realize, a P8600 keeps up with mid level second gen Core I5's and is barely slower than a 3rd gen.
Hardware simply has not marched on like you think it has since the Core2 era. The primary focus has really been on power consumption, performance improvements have come from SATA3, more memory, and SSD's. Not so much from the processors really.
Depends on the benchmark you look at and what you are doing, not to mention processor differences get dulled by other components. Which is why you shouldn't rely so much on benchmarks that is focused only on one component.Say wha... p8600 is like 1500 cpu bench, 2520m is 3000+ double IPCI really don't think a p8600 makes a good lappy these days..High end C2D's were extremely fast, faster than most people realize, a P8600 keeps up with mid level second gen Core I5's and is barely slower than a 3rd gen.
Hardware simply has not marched on like you think it has since the Core2 era. The primary focus has really been on power consumption, performance improvements have come from SATA3, more memory, and SSD's. Not so much from the processors really.
I have several notebooks, all either had or do have the same drives (Crucial M4 ssd):
C2d P8500
I5 460m
I3 2310 (upgraded to the 2540)
I5 2540
According to benchmarks the I3 should be faster, the reality was that it made me angry how slow it felt in comparison to the C2D. I put 6 gigs in it and even then, it felt sluggish. So much that I sought out the 2540, and while it did wake it up, it was still just a step up in performance compared to the C2D. With only 4 gigs, you would be hard pressed to know the C2D from the 2540. I got the 460m later and that needed 8 gigs to match the 2540 with 6 gigs.
I'm sure benchmarking them would show the 2540 slaughtering the entire field, in the real world it just doesn't. Why? MY guess is they are starved for data, be it because of the memory, or a combination memory and Sata2 connection.
Traditionally, IBM and Lenovo has had good support for Linux.Actually, the #1 reason to get X201 instead of X200 is the graphic chip. Drivers work slightly better, and esp. hardware video decoding works out of the box with Intel HD.
I can't speak specifically for the X200, but I can for the individual parts in it. In terms of speed, my Sony has a P8500 and runs Linux just fine (good processor actually). Where you may have issues is with the wireless card, it's probably going to need the Iwlwifi driver, which frankly, I think isn't all that great, it works, but shutting down can be slow, it's better than it used to be though. Other than that, you should have no problems. Worst case, buy a different wireless card for $10. If you have an old SSD, throw that in, newer ones will not be any faster due to the Sata2 speed. With that, the system will perform similar to a modern mid-level notebook, or at least feel like it.
I initially wrote a post about encouraging you to reconsider the x201 for future proofing reasons but after researching it, there's almost no difference between the two. Both have an 8gig limit, ddr3, sata2, same screen resolution, Win10 support... Even battery life and processing power is similar. The only real benefit over the x200 is that the x201 adds a touchpad, 300meg wifi (vs 150), and more readily accepts 8gigs of memory (the x200 requires specific memory and/or bios tweaks to do so).
Traditionally, IBM and Lenovo has had good support for Linux.Actually, the #1 reason to get X201 instead of X200 is the graphic chip. Drivers work slightly better, and esp. hardware video decoding works out of the box with Intel HD.
I can't speak specifically for the X200, but I can for the individual parts in it. In terms of speed, my Sony has a P8500 and runs Linux just fine (good processor actually). Where you may have issues is with the wireless card, it's probably going to need the Iwlwifi driver, which frankly, I think isn't all that great, it works, but shutting down can be slow, it's better than it used to be though. Other than that, you should have no problems. Worst case, buy a different wireless card for $10. If you have an old SSD, throw that in, newer ones will not be any faster due to the Sata2 speed. With that, the system will perform similar to a modern mid-level notebook, or at least feel like it.
I initially wrote a post about encouraging you to reconsider the x201 for future proofing reasons but after researching it, there's almost no difference between the two. Both have an 8gig limit, ddr3, sata2, same screen resolution, Win10 support... Even battery life and processing power is similar. The only real benefit over the x200 is that the x201 adds a touchpad, 300meg wifi (vs 150), and more readily accepts 8gigs of memory (the x200 requires specific memory and/or bios tweaks to do so).
I think it's probably due to power gating..I get what you are saying, however, that's not the case.
I've had this problem on many laptops, where the aggressive power plan (windows Balanced) downclocks the cpu and possibly the chipset, this raises DPC latency.. causing stutters..
But if I put it in High performance mode, everything becomes super smooth..
I think that may have been the case if your i3 was feeling slow..
vs the i5, the 2540m also has 3.3ghz turbo, and it can actually turbo both cores to 3.3 for a short while, / when temperatures allow it. (depending on manufacturer of laptop)
Actually, the #1 reason to get X201 instead of X200 is the graphic chip. Drivers work slightly better, and esp. hardware video decoding works out of the box with Intel HD.I agree, with you, it's the best reason, but is it worth 50% more money? probably not.
AGH! I have an extra desktop that I can't get anyone to buy on Craigslist so I decided to make it a Linux machine. Used a new case since the old one is pretty bad and now the PSU cables won't reach. :mad:
Now it'll be another week before I can get Linux Mint or Arch up and running again. :'(
AGH! I have an extra desktop that I can't get anyone to buy on Craigslist so I decided to make it a Linux machine. Used a new case since the old one is pretty bad and now the PSU cables won't reach. :mad:
Now it'll be another week before I can get Linux Mint or Arch up and running again. :'(
It won't reach even from the front?..
You can put the 8 pin mobo line under the graphics card where the notch is.
Cute little P8700 notebook coming in the mail this week! I can't wait to grind my soul to dust trying to install Gentoo on it. It'll be a first, but as long as the documentation holds up...
I run Rasbian (a distro based on Debian) on my two Raspberry Pi. So, the model 2 is running a DNS server to block ads. I'm also very lucky to own the original model 1 model B rev. 1 I still use for hacking GPIO.
I also have tried arch linux. I think that the systemctl has potential.
I run Rasbian (a distro based on Debian) on my two Raspberry Pi. So, the model 2 is running a DNS server to block ads. I'm also very lucky to own the original model 1 model B rev. 1 I still use for hacking GPIO.
I also have tried arch linux. I think that the systemctl has potential.
try void for pi
I run Rasbian (a distro based on Debian) on my two Raspberry Pi. So, the model 2 is running a DNS server to block ads. I'm also very lucky to own the original model 1 model B rev. 1 I still use for hacking GPIO.Nice setup! I have Arch running on my Pi and love it.
I also have tried arch linux. I think that the systemctl has potential.
I run Rasbian (a distro based on Debian) on my two Raspberry Pi. So, the model 2 is running a DNS server to block ads. I'm also very lucky to own the original model 1 model B rev. 1 I still use for hacking GPIO.
I also have tried arch linux. I think that the systemctl has potential.
try void for pi
I may actually give void a shot for the Pi. I have been having issues getting my nic to work with Arch on my Pi's. Maybe void will work better.
Because they're no longer made mostly. I have an aluminum case for my original pi that's been keeping it save since 2012. Check it out:I run Rasbian (a distro based on Debian) on my two Raspberry Pi. So, the model 2 is running a DNS server to block ads. I'm also very lucky to own the original model 1 model B rev. 1 I still use for hacking GPIO.Nice setup! I have Arch running on my Pi and love it.
I also have tried arch linux. I think that the systemctl has potential.
But, what's so special about the model 1 B rev.1? I haven't really kept up with RasbPi development. I also got one of those, and it could use some more RAM. :rolleyes:
Cute little P8700 notebook coming in the mail this week! I can't wait to grind my soul to dust trying to install Gentoo on it. It'll be a first, but as long as the documentation holds up...
Wow, nice case!Because they're no longer made mostly. I have an aluminum case for my original pi that's been keeping it save since 2012. Check it out:I run Rasbian (a distro based on Debian) on my two Raspberry Pi. So, the model 2 is running a DNS server to block ads. I'm also very lucky to own the original model 1 model B rev. 1 I still use for hacking GPIO.Nice setup! I have Arch running on my Pi and love it.
I also have tried arch linux. I think that the systemctl has potential.
But, what's so special about the model 1 B rev.1? I haven't really kept up with RasbPi development. I also got one of those, and it could use some more RAM. :rolleyes:
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I did a quick search for Void and it supports the Raspberry pi 2, so I will test it out.
I don't understand.. why couldn't you just save some more money, and get a better laptop.. in a month
The p8600 is very outdated TODAY, it will be VERY VERY outdated Tomorrow,
I don't understand.. why couldn't you just save some more money, and get a better laptop.. in a month
The p8600 is very outdated TODAY, it will be VERY VERY outdated Tomorrow,
Oudated, relevant.. what does that even mean? It's a CPU. It either works or it doesn't. I'm not trying to follow any tech trends here or stay 'ahead of the curve', I just wanted a cheap notebook for everything but 3D games. Also.. it strikes me as a bit of a waste to put an 2520m on a SUBnotebook with a 12 inch screen. What's gonna be the advantage here besides numbers?
lol where's the BSD luv? you wan't the best text-adventure game known to man? load a m*thaf*ckin BSD...
I"m somewhere between Debian, fedora/centos, and arch ATM... been in and out of linux for years. I'm excited about the enlightenment project's terminology, and wayland DMs for the future...
lol where's the BSD luv? you wan't the best text-adventure game known to man? load a m*thaf*ckin BSD...
I"m somewhere between Debian, fedora/centos, and arch ATM... been in and out of linux for years. I'm excited about the enlightenment project's terminology, and wayland DMs for the future...
to whom it may concern
looks like icecat made it into the void repos in the last 24hrs... so far it seems to be more stable than firefox has been (there is a github issue tracker for ff but i havent check the status since temporarily switching to chromium for work stuff).
I'm excited about the enlightenment project's terminologySome relevant reading over at Daily WTF (https://what.thedailywtf.com/t/enlightened/8795).
Jesus Christ I'm never trying Gentoo with LVM & LUKS again. Plain is hard enough.Hahahaha
Jesus Christ I'm never trying Gentoo with LVM & LUKS again. Plain is hard enough.Again? You are much smarter than I.
lol where's the BSD luv? you wan't the best text-adventure game known to man? load a m*thaf*ckin BSD...
I"m somewhere between Debian, fedora/centos, and arch ATM... been in and out of linux for years. I'm excited about the enlightenment project's terminology, and wayland DMs for the future...
BTW, in 6 hours there will be a live stream on called Twitch Installs Arch Linux (https://www.twitchinstalls.com/). Similar to Twitch Plays Pokemon, the twitch chat will be making group decisions on what to input next into the install process. Do you think they'll make it? ;D
Over the years I've used lots of different distros and BSDs, both on and off desktop. Currently really excited about NixOS but I've not had the time to install it on my workstation yet, only for a couple of servers... Debian is my trusted old go-to that I certainly wouldn't replace with anything that uses rpms. :P Anyone else looked at NixOS?
BTW, in 6 hours there will be a live stream on called Twitch Installs Arch Linux (https://www.twitchinstalls.com/). Similar to Twitch Plays Pokemon, the twitch chat will be making group decisions on what to input next into the install process. Do you think they'll make it? ;D
Linux mint is slowly replacing windows 10 for me :D
If you think Gentoo install is painful you should try Linux From Scratch (LFS).which is absolutely lovely, unlike gentoo.
Linux plebs. BSD is the only true way.
Linux plebs. BSD is the only true way.
Linux plebs. BSD is the only true way.
Linux plebs. BSD is the only true way.
Which BSD?
Just jumped on the Linux bandwagon. After trying out a few distros, I went with Kubuntu. I'm a fan of the KDE interface.
And do I need to switch to BSD if I wish to become a bigger nerd? Please, I need to know.
Just jumped on the Linux bandwagon. After trying out a few distros, I went with Kubuntu. I'm a fan of the KDE interface.
And do I need to switch to BSD if I wish to become a bigger nerd? Please, I need to know.
Not really, no.
Just jumped on the Linux bandwagon. After trying out a few distros, I went with Kubuntu. I'm a fan of the KDE interface.
And do I need to switch to BSD if I wish to become a bigger nerd? Please, I need to know.
Not really, no.
But please at least switch away from Kubuntu at least, even if its only to like normal ubuntu or mint, just not Kubuntu. It's unfortunately been really broken as of late. You can still use KDE with other distros.
Just jumped on the Linux bandwagon. After trying out a few distros, I went with Kubuntu. I'm a fan of the KDE interface.
And do I need to switch to BSD if I wish to become a bigger nerd? Please, I need to know.
Laptop: Manjaro (i3)/OSXsame here, besides it's enlightenment and not i3
Just jumped on the Linux bandwagon. After trying out a few distros, I went with Kubuntu. I'm a fan of the KDE interface.If you want to be a bigger nerd, try building your own with Arch. And get rid of that KDE while you're at it, and use a window manager instead. I like Openbox. :)
And do I need to switch to BSD if I wish to become a bigger nerd? Please, I need to know.
linux is great but sucks with hardware compatibility.That's not even wrong…
linux is great but sucks with hardware compatibility.That's not even wrong…
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Not_even_wrong (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Not_even_wrong)
What does work: nearly everything, including obscure architectures, a lot of really old expansion cards and peripherals… and a lot of bleeding edge hardware at the other end of the spectrum.
What does not work: a whole lot of cheap garbage from sources like DealExtreme, glued together by incompetent wage slaves; some hardware "designed" for MS Windows with various obscure hacks (ahem, ACPI is a good example) due to Microsoft's Embrace, extend and extinguish (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Embrace,_extend_and_extinguish) policy; some common hardware, esp. GPUs and some specialized chips from companies, that deliberately choose to make life harder for the kernel community.
macbooks' web cameras.linux is great but sucks with hardware compatibility.That's not even wrong…
What hardware doesn't work?
Just jumped on the Linux bandwagon. After trying out a few distros, I went with Kubuntu. I'm a fan of the KDE interface.
And do I need to switch to BSD if I wish to become a bigger nerd? Please, I need to know.
Not really, no.
But please at least switch away from Kubuntu at least, even if its only to like normal ubuntu or mint, just not Kubuntu. It's unfortunately been really broken as of late. You can still use KDE with other distros.
Just jumped on the Linux bandwagon. After trying out a few distros, I went with Kubuntu. I'm a fan of the KDE interface.
And do I need to switch to BSD if I wish to become a bigger nerd? Please, I need to know.
Not really, no.
But please at least switch away from Kubuntu at least, even if its only to like normal ubuntu or mint, just not Kubuntu. It's unfortunately been really broken as of late. You can still use KDE with other distros.
Yea, this is the kinda stuff I don't know anything about. Works alright for me. I'm such a Linux newb.
Just got Linux Mint up and running. The installation went fine. The problem I had was getting Grub to recognize Win10.EFI has ruined my life. Installing any OS now has become strangely complex to me. I always do it wrong. I had arch on the MBR and win on EFI so I could use the EFI menu to choose which os which would then potentially take me to grub. I'm so confused.
The problem turned out to be the Win10 installation. It decided during install to go with MBR instead of an EFI boot partition. How it did this when the MB was set for UEFI is beyond me.
Had to resize part of the Win10 install partition to make room for an EFI partition. After that worked out I went back and Grub was able to find the Win10 drive and make it bootable. Now it all works and dual boots without issue.
I liked Crunchbang when it was being updated / maintained, but haven't messed with anything for a while..... seeing lots of folks talking about Manjaro, I might have to give that a shot.
Just got Linux Mint up and running. The installation went fine. The problem I had was getting Grub to recognize Win10.EFI has ruined my life. Installing any OS now has become strangely complex to me. I always do it wrong. I had arch on the MBR and win on EFI so I could use the EFI menu to choose which os which would then potentially take me to grub. I'm so confused.
The problem turned out to be the Win10 installation. It decided during install to go with MBR instead of an EFI boot partition. How it did this when the MB was set for UEFI is beyond me.
Had to resize part of the Win10 install partition to make room for an EFI partition. After that worked out I went back and Grub was able to find the Win10 drive and make it bootable. Now it all works and dual boots without issue.
I think I do, but I'm a little uncertain on everything. I was creating efi partitions yesterday and was very lost. As it currently stands I have a working dualboot with win 10 and arch. Using traditional legacy bios, not the new fancy thing.I liked Crunchbang when it was being updated / maintained, but haven't messed with anything for a while..... seeing lots of folks talking about Manjaro, I might have to give that a shot.
You may like Crunchbang++Just got Linux Mint up and running. The installation went fine. The problem I had was getting Grub to recognize Win10.EFI has ruined my life. Installing any OS now has become strangely complex to me. I always do it wrong. I had arch on the MBR and win on EFI so I could use the EFI menu to choose which os which would then potentially take me to grub. I'm so confused.
The problem turned out to be the Win10 installation. It decided during install to go with MBR instead of an EFI boot partition. How it did this when the MB was set for UEFI is beyond me.
Had to resize part of the Win10 install partition to make room for an EFI partition. After that worked out I went back and Grub was able to find the Win10 drive and make it bootable. Now it all works and dual boots without issue.
I think you mean UEFI, which is what M$ crapped out after eating the EFI standard
I liked Crunchbang when it was being updated / maintained, but haven't messed with anything for a while..... seeing lots of folks talking about Manjaro, I might have to give that a shot.
You may like Crunchbang++
Just jumped on the Linux bandwagon. After trying out a few distros, I went with Kubuntu. I'm a fan of the KDE interface.
And do I need to switch to BSD if I wish to become a bigger nerd? Please, I need to know.
Not really, no.
But please at least switch away from Kubuntu at least, even if its only to like normal ubuntu or mint, just not Kubuntu. It's unfortunately been really broken as of late. You can still use KDE with other distros.
can you guys recommend me a couple of good linux distros for a noob? that would be me.. :pdo you also make spaghetti? it's no less relevant.
im quite familiar with windows and i tinker with computer parts from time to time though.
i'm getting more and more interested in void linux; it's basically arch without systemd (YES) and a pretty nifty package management system that supports binaries and a ports-like system. it feels like BSD and linux had a child.
anyone give it a spin?
i'm getting more and more interested in void linux; it's basically arch without systemd (YES) and a pretty nifty package management system that supports binaries and a ports-like system. it feels like BSD and linux had a child.
anyone give it a spin?
Wow, that sounds really interesting, I'll have to try it out. I'd love a more BSD like feel with the compatibility of Linux.
i'm getting more and more interested in void linux; it's basically arch without systemd (YES) and a pretty nifty package management system that supports binaries and a ports-like system. it feels like BSD and linux had a child.
anyone give it a spin?
Wow, that sounds really interesting, I'll have to try it out. I'd love a more BSD like feel with the compatibility of Linux.
i will probably try to get it running on my laptop at some point. my only concern is how robust its binary library really is (i mean, building from source is cool, but im super lazy half the time)
i'm getting more and more interested in void linux; it's basically arch without systemd (YES) and a pretty nifty package management system that supports binaries and a ports-like system. it feels like BSD and linux had a child.You can remove systemd's **** from arch, but it's not supported. In Manjaro it is, though.
anyone give it a spin?
i'm getting more and more interested in void linux; it's basically arch without systemd (YES) and a pretty nifty package management system that supports binaries and a ports-like system. it feels like BSD and linux had a child.You can remove systemd's **** from arch, but it's not supported. In Manjaro it is, though.
anyone give it a spin?
i'm getting more and more interested in void linux; it's basically arch without systemd (YES) and a pretty nifty package management system that supports binaries and a ports-like system. it feels like BSD and linux had a child.You can remove systemd's **** from arch, but it's not supported. In Manjaro it is, though.
anyone give it a spin?
But with void you can have an operating system called "void"...
I primarily use Ubuntu with Gnome classic at home. At work I'm forced to use Windows. :(
I've tried most distros, and keep coming back to 'buntu, because I'm very familiar with it.
I primarily use Ubuntu with Gnome classic at home. At work I'm forced to use Windows. :(
I've tried most distros, and keep coming back to 'buntu, because I'm very familiar with it.
I'm in the same boat as you. A recent change in policy for the company i work at means I am now forced to use Windows. It's a real pain. Every time I use my personal computer I am reminded at how much better everything is.
On my computer I run Debian 8 Jessie with the GNOME desktop environment. Debian is an amazing distribution, I love it - its super stable and frankly I'm just familiar with apt, that's really the other reason I chose it over other distributions. The only thing I dislike is the outdated kernel in Debian 8 as it ships with an older version of nouveau that doesn't support NV117 cards like the 750 series without relying on the proprietary NVIDIA graphics :-(.
Funny I found this thread. I'm looking for a new distro. I've tried most distros, but my desktops have always run Redhat/Fedora.
Things I'm looking for are: not having to upgrade constantly, and even more important community/documentation. Debian seems to be the answer, I guess I just need to take the plunge.
I primarily use Ubuntu with Gnome classic at home. At work I'm forced to use Windows. :(
I've tried most distros, and keep coming back to 'buntu, because I'm very familiar with it.
I'm in the same boat as you. A recent change in policy for the company i work at means I am now forced to use Windows. It's a real pain. Every time I use my personal computer I am reminded at how much better everything is.
On my computer I run Debian 8 Jessie with the GNOME desktop environment. Debian is an amazing distribution, I love it - its super stable and frankly I'm just familiar with apt, that's really the other reason I chose it over other distributions. The only thing I dislike is the outdated kernel in Debian 8 as it ships with an older version of nouveau that doesn't support NV117 cards like the 750 series without relying on the proprietary NVIDIA graphics :-(.
You can use apt on arch and fedora and other distros. It's just not supported very well. And not worth it.
Arch has the community and documentation, that's for sure. Before narrowing to just Debian, the two distros I was considering were Arch and Debian. I've used Arch once before, and enjoyed it. But Arch needs too much TLC. I have a problem getting distracted with config files (I'm starting at you .emacs), I need something that requires little attention or I'll never get anything done.Funny I found this thread. I'm looking for a new distro. I've tried most distros, but my desktops have always run Redhat/Fedora.
Things I'm looking for are: not having to upgrade constantly, and even more important community/documentation. Debian seems to be the answer, I guess I just need to take the plunge.
Arch is usually the answer.
Arch has the community and documentation, that's for sure. Before narrowing to just Debian, the two distros I was considering were Arch and Debian. I've used Arch once before, and enjoyed it. But Arch needs too much TLC. I have a problem getting distracted with config files (I'm starting at you .emacs), I need something that requires little attention or I'll never get anything done.Funny I found this thread. I'm looking for a new distro. I've tried most distros, but my desktops have always run Redhat/Fedora.
Things I'm looking for are: not having to upgrade constantly, and even more important community/documentation. Debian seems to be the answer, I guess I just need to take the plunge.
Arch is usually the answer.
Well considering Arch is on a rolling release schedule I can imagine it being a great choice for those wanting bleeding-edge features but I guess that comes at the sacrifice of a higher risk of package breakages. I'd be worried an update would damage my Arch install!
Arch wiki has some of the best documentation I've encountered.And the majority of it isn't distro specific. Without any question, I've read more Arch documentation than my own distros.
Arch wiki has some of the best documentation I've encountered.And the majority of it isn't distro specific. Without any question, I've read more Arch documentation than my own distros.
Arch wiki has some of the best documentation I've encountered.And the majority of it isn't distro specific. Without any question, I've read more Arch documentation than my own distros.
Couldn't agree with that more. Just like how I use the freebsd wiki for basically all of my bsd endeavors.
Funny I found this thread. I'm looking for a new distro. I've tried most distros, but my desktops have always run Redhat/Fedora.
Things I'm looking for are: not having to upgrade constantly, and even more important community/documentation. Debian seems to be the answer, I guess I just need to take the plunge.
i'm getting more and more interested in void linux; it's basically arch without systemd (YES) and a pretty nifty package management system that supports binaries and a ports-like system. it feels like BSD and linux had a child.
anyone give it a spin?
Wow, that sounds really interesting, I'll have to try it out. I'd love a more BSD like feel with the compatibility of Linux.
Well, I settled on a KaOS, a singularly KDE-focused distro, because it looks good, works fast, is simple, and has what I need for now. I found it interesting how the developers optimized the distro to work with only KDE rather than overextend with too many desktop environments.
I was going to start out with the Manjaro KDE, but the live USB wouldn't boot on my computer. I could try Manjaro with some other DE, but I feel the most comfortable with KDE starting out. These windows managers seem interesting, too.
As my Linux experience progresses, I'll try out other distros and maybe switch to a different distro, but KaOS seems like it will allow me to get things done out-of-the-box and mess around with other distros, with my current limited free time.
Well, I settled on a KaOS, a singularly KDE-focused distro, because it looks good, works fast, is simple, and has what I need for now. I found it interesting how the developers optimized the distro to work with only KDE rather than overextend with too many desktop environments.
I was going to start out with the Manjaro KDE, but the live USB wouldn't boot on my computer. I could try Manjaro with some other DE, but I feel the most comfortable with KDE starting out. These windows managers seem interesting, too.
As my Linux experience progresses, I'll try out other distros and maybe switch to a different distro, but KaOS seems like it will allow me to get things done out-of-the-box and mess around with other distros, with my current limited free time.
I saw KaOS and might give it a whirl. Thanks for reminding me.
Im not new to linux, but i'm definitely not an experienced linux user, i tend to go on and off with it, though it is on all of my machines now except for my main desktop. All 3 of my laptops ( A core 2 duo fujitsu lifebook, a dual core haswell celeron chromebook, and a core 2 duo dell inspiron) run Kubuntu, it is one of my favorite desktop linux distros. My Dell mini 9 netbook and lenovo thinkpad x100e netbook/sub notebook is running xubuntu , my media server is running open media vault which is a linux spin off server OS. My main media playback PC is running Kodibuntu, and i have a linux mint machine that i use occasionally, i've started dual booting on my main desktop but i still stick with windows 7. Though when i do move from 7, it is 80% likely that it will be over to something like kubuntu as soon as i have a motherboard that plays happily with ubuntu based distros. I have learned a lot through trial and error, and i like having to fix issues that arise with different configurations. I have been playing with OpenSUSE a bit trying to get deeper into linux.
I have a slight issue with collecting cheap obsolete laptops, especially netbooks which i have a weird obsession with..... The wood case on top of my desktop is a combination of dell inspiron and HP parts in a ghetto wooden box i made that i usually have mounted on the wall as a digital photo frame running kodibuntu
Im not new to linux, but i'm definitely not an experienced linux user, i tend to go on and off with it, though it is on all of my machines now except for my main desktop. All 3 of my laptops ( A core 2 duo fujitsu lifebook, a dual core haswell celeron chromebook, and a core 2 duo dell inspiron) run Kubuntu, it is one of my favorite desktop linux distros. My Dell mini 9 netbook and lenovo thinkpad x100e netbook/sub notebook is running xubuntu , my media server is running open media vault which is a linux spin off server OS. My main media playback PC is running Kodibuntu, and i have a linux mint machine that i use occasionally, i've started dual booting on my main desktop but i still stick with windows 7. Though when i do move from 7, it is 80% likely that it will be over to something like kubuntu as soon as i have a motherboard that plays happily with ubuntu based distros. I have learned a lot through trial and error, and i like having to fix issues that arise with different configurations. I have been playing with OpenSUSE a bit trying to get deeper into linux.
I have a slight issue with collecting cheap obsolete laptops, especially netbooks which i have a weird obsession with..... The wood case on top of my desktop is a combination of dell inspiron and HP parts in a ghetto wooden box i made that i usually have mounted on the wall as a digital photo frame running kodibuntu
How do you like Open Media Vault? I considered using it but ultimately went to FreeNAS for the ZFS support.
I have a slight issue with collecting cheap obsolete laptops, especially netbooks which i have a weird obsession with..... The wood case on top of my desktop is a combination of dell inspiron and HP parts in a ghetto wooden box i made that i usually have mounted on the wall as a digital photo frame running kodibuntu
Im not new to linux, but i'm definitely not an experienced linux user, i tend to go on and off with it, though it is on all of my machines now .... run Kubuntu,
I have been playing with OpenSUSE a bit trying to get deeper into linux.
Im not new to linux, but i'm definitely not an experienced linux user, i tend to go on and off with it, though it is on all of my machines now .... run Kubuntu,
I have been playing with OpenSUSE a bit trying to get deeper into linux.
I have dabbled with Ubuntu for 5-6 years, and am fairly happy with it, although it is strictly secondary because I need Windows for the "work world" for the time being. I do look forward to ditching Microsoft one day. I have already ditched Office in favor of Libreoffice and taken up Gimp in place of Photoshop Elements.
For philosophical reasons, unhappiness with Ubuntu's decisions and directions, at my last re-format-re-build I tried switching to OpenSUSE, and while it was mostly good, I found that the community and forum were spectacularly snarky and unhelpful to a newcomer. Most of my questions were (never-solved) hardware issues that should have been fairly straightforward, but I also got a lot of insults and "Why would you want to do X and not Y like I do?" when I asked "How do you do X?"
Since I was a newbie, and requested step-by-step instructions, they delighted in giving me cryptic, incomplete directions that guaranteed failure.
It was a very frustrating experience, because I really wanted to make it work.
I have a slight issue with collecting cheap obsolete laptops, especially netbooks which i have a weird obsession with..... The wood case on top of my desktop is a combination of dell inspiron and HP parts in a ghetto wooden box i made that i usually have mounted on the wall as a digital photo frame running kodibuntu
You have an issue with collecting cheap obsolete items? Welcome to geekhack! You'll fit right in.
Im not new to linux, but i'm definitely not an experienced linux user, i tend to go on and off with it, though it is on all of my machines now .... run Kubuntu,
I have been playing with OpenSUSE a bit trying to get deeper into linux.
I have dabbled with Ubuntu for 5-6 years, and am fairly happy with it, although it is strictly secondary because I need Windows for the "work world" for the time being. I do look forward to ditching Microsoft one day. I have already ditched Office in favor of Libreoffice and taken up Gimp in place of Photoshop Elements.
For philosophical reasons, unhappiness with Ubuntu's decisions and directions, at my last re-format-re-build I tried switching to OpenSUSE, and while it was mostly good, I found that the community and forum were spectacularly snarky and unhelpful to a newcomer. Most of my questions were (never-solved) hardware issues that should have been fairly straightforward, but I also got a lot of insults and "Why would you want to do X and not Y like I do?" when I asked "How do you do X?"
Since I was a newbie, and requested step-by-step instructions, they delighted in giving me cryptic, incomplete directions that guaranteed failure.
It was a very frustrating experience, because I really wanted to make it work.
I noticed there are generally two types of Linux enthusiasts, those who want to share linux and get everyone else on it, whether it be simplifying some distros enough for the slightly above average PC user, or helping inexperienced user's that are having issues. ( acctually i've noticed it can be easier to get a very inexperienced PC user to switch to something like ubuntu because they dont use a lot of advanced features or functionality, and if they start to while there on linux its not like a shock from going from the way windows works to the way linux works) of course that can lead to issues to, like the over simplification of interfaces, but that's the beauty of linux, if one distro does not match with someone's tastes anymore there is sure to be one that will. But anyway that leads to the second type of linux enthusiast, the kind that likes to keep the platform closed off to newbs, like they enjoy being an advanced user on a " harder to use" platform and they dont want any form of linux simplified to the point where an average user can use it effectively.
I am kind of at the point where i dont need something as robust as openSUSE, but i want to get into distros where i guess im kind of forced to do a little more problem solving. Though at least for now ubuntu and it's variants are still my favorite. Being used to kubuntu i could install the KDE desktop environment on openSUSE and it would feel fairly familiar.
I didn't know the OpenSUSE users were snarky, but for sure the people on the Arch forums are not very kind to newcomers. You'll often see posts of somebody looking for help, and the only response they'll get is to read the wiki. But I know even as an experienced user that the wiki can look like hieroglyphs. Well, that's the main reason why I don't participate in those forums, and why I love GH. I may be a keyboard newb but all the old hats are happy to share their knowledge.
I noticed there are generally two types of Linux enthusiasts, those who want to share linux and get everyone else on it, .. the second type.. likes to keep the platform closed off to newbs, like they enjoy being an advanced user on a " harder to use" platformI think those might be the 2 types who answer questions in the newbie sections of forums.
I noticed there are generally two types of Linux enthusiasts, those who want to share linux and get everyone else on it, whether it be simplifying some distros enough for the slightly above average PC user, or helping inexperienced user's that are having issues. ( acctually i've noticed it can be easier to get a very inexperienced PC user to switch to something like ubuntu because they dont use a lot of advanced features or functionality, and if they start to while there on linux its not like a shock from going from the way windows works to the way linux works) of course that can lead to issues to, like the over simplification of interfaces, but that's the beauty of linux, if one distro does not match with someone's tastes anymore there is sure to be one that will. But anyway that leads to the second type of linux enthusiast, the kind that likes to keep the platform closed off to newbs, like they enjoy being an advanced user on a " harder to use" platform and they dont want any form of linux simplified to the point where an average user can use it effectively.
I am kind of at the point where i dont need something as robust as openSUSE, but i want to get into distros where i guess im kind of forced to do a little more problem solving. Though at least for now ubuntu and it's variants are still my favorite. Being used to kubuntu i could install the KDE desktop environment on openSUSE and it would feel fairly familiar.
So I am running a dual boot on my laptop with an SSD. I had no issues with the SSD for about a year in my desktop, but I got a new one for the desktop so moved this one over. Been having some issues with Windows randomly freezing and BSODing and GRUB not being able to detect Windows. After a hard reset it usually comes right back on. Anyone know if it's a GRUB issue or just a problem with the SSD?If Windows is BSODing it definitely isn't a grub issue.
Im not new to linux, but i'm definitely not an experienced linux user, i tend to go on and off with it, though it is on all of my machines now .... run Kubuntu,
I have been playing with OpenSUSE a bit trying to get deeper into linux.
I have dabbled with Ubuntu for 5-6 years, and am fairly happy with it, although it is strictly secondary because I need Windows for the "work world" for the time being. I do look forward to ditching Microsoft one day. I have already ditched Office in favor of Libreoffice and taken up Gimp in place of Photoshop Elements.
For philosophical reasons, unhappiness with Ubuntu's decisions and directions, at my last re-format-re-build I tried switching to OpenSUSE, and while it was mostly good, I found that the community and forum were spectacularly snarky and unhelpful to a newcomer. Most of my questions were (never-solved) hardware issues that should have been fairly straightforward, but I also got a lot of insults and "Why would you want to do X and not Y like I do?" when I asked "How do you do X?"
Since I was a newbie, and requested step-by-step instructions, they delighted in giving me cryptic, incomplete directions that guaranteed failure.
It was a very frustrating experience, because I really wanted to make it work.
Ian Murdock, creator of Debian, has passed today. :(
http://blog.docker.com/2015/12/ian-murdock/
Very sad to see the news of Ian Murdock's passing. All who use Debian or any of the great number of linux distros derived from it owe him a debt of gratitude.
openbsd: what a revelation!Show Image(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BkZvvasIYAAdlQW.jpg)
openbsd: what a revelation!Show Image(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BkZvvasIYAAdlQW.jpg)
So you made the switch finally?
Remember these?Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/9nuHOC9.jpg?1)
I found them underneath my bed. All the disks are missing, not that it matters. I had a BeOS one that wasn't with them, hopefully it will turn up, old school esoteric.
Remember these?Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/9nuHOC9.jpg?1)
I found them underneath my bed. All the disks are missing, not that it matters. I had a BeOS one that wasn't with them, hopefully it will turn up, old school esoteric.
Oh man, my first distro was Red Hat Linux 6.1. I wish I'd kept the box and manuals.At the local Hackerspace there's a bookshelf and I found an original printing of 2nd ed. K&R C! For those that don't know, the 2nd edition of K&R came out 1988 and there's been more than 50 printings.
This is the only thing that I've kept, circa 2003:
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I just tossed the guts of my old server that was running Mandrake 10. Great distro that lost its way. I now have a SteamOS box that i've bricked a few times with their updates but otherwise keeping it simple.
I just tossed the guts of my old server that was running Mandrake 10. Great distro that lost its way. I now have a SteamOS box that i've bricked a few times with their updates but otherwise keeping it simple.
Ouch, I heard that SteamOS had some problems, but I didn't think it was that bad...
What compelled you to run SteamOS on this kind of hardware?I just tossed the guts of my old server that was running Mandrake 10. Great distro that lost its way. I now have a SteamOS box that i've bricked a few times with their updates but otherwise keeping it simple.
Ouch, I heard that SteamOS had some problems, but I didn't think it was that bad...
I'm also using old hardware. An HP HPE410F (http://support.hp.com/us-en/document/c02481315); non-uefi mobo and an old junk AMD/ATI GPU so i cant really complain. Its still a beta anyway so i dont mind.
What compelled you to run SteamOS on this kind of hardware?I just tossed the guts of my old server that was running Mandrake 10. Great distro that lost its way. I now have a SteamOS box that i've bricked a few times with their updates but otherwise keeping it simple.
Ouch, I heard that SteamOS had some problems, but I didn't think it was that bad...
I'm also using old hardware. An HP HPE410F (http://support.hp.com/us-en/document/c02481315); non-uefi mobo and an old junk AMD/ATI GPU so i cant really complain. Its still a beta anyway so i dont mind.
Giving Devuan a try on an old desktop machine.
I really hope this Debian fork stands the test of time. I don't need no systemd and nearly every other distro is switching to it.
Also removing Pulseaudio while I'm at it.
Giving Devuan a try on an old desktop machine.
I really hope this Debian fork stands the test of time. I don't need no systemd and nearly every other distro is switching to it.
Also removing Pulseaudio while I'm at it.
Would love to hear your experiences. I really don't like systemd, and have yet to find a distro without it that I like
Or you could buy the monitor of choice and simply set a lower display resolution until support is more consistent for higher resolutions. Which is what I might do.
Remember these?
Or you could buy the monitor of choice and simply set a lower display resolution until support is more consistent for higher resolutions. Which is what I might do.
Ah... Thing is: I always run my monitors at native resolution (and use bigger fonts if the pixels are too tiny). Only on a screen with really tiny pixels (like a Mac retina display) can I withstand the "scaling") and on the 34" I'm thinking of (a Dell U3415W, same panel as the LG 34uc97 I think) the pixels aren't *that* small :)
Also 3440x1440 is not even 4K if I'm not mistaken: 4K starts at 4000x2160 I think. But I'll double check: I take it that if I can make 4K work, then I can do 3440x1440 too.
It's for a desktop: so my concern is which GPU to buy and which cable (and which cable version etc.) to use... I think I need to go DisplayPort 1.2 at least. And then, on top of it, I'd like a passive GPU for my workstation is close to silent (SSD, passive heatsink, no fans on the GPU, BeQuiet alim, etc.).
Fun evenings ahead I guess :-/
openbsd: what a revelation!Show Image(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BkZvvasIYAAdlQW.jpg)
So you made the switch finally?
yeah and other than javascript in any browser being dog-slow, i love it!
openbsd: what a revelation!Show Image(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BkZvvasIYAAdlQW.jpg)
So you made the switch finally?
yeah and other than javascript in any browser being dog-slow, i love it!
Since when? I've never had any problems like this - are you sure it's not just your hardware? If it's a big issue, try out the advanced mode of ublock origin where you can block scripts.
s/Javascript/Adobe\ Flash/openbsd: what a revelation!Show Image(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BkZvvasIYAAdlQW.jpg)
So you made the switch finally?
yeah and other than javascript in any browser being dog-slow, i love it!
Since when? I've never had any problems like this - are you sure it's not just your hardware? If it's a big issue, try out the advanced mode of ublock origin where you can block scripts.
Javascript just doesn't work that well on BSD. Linux suffers from the same too.
openbsd: what a revelation!Show Image(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BkZvvasIYAAdlQW.jpg)
So you made the switch finally?
yeah and other than javascript in any browser being dog-slow, i love it!
Since when? I've never had any problems like this - are you sure it's not just your hardware? If it's a big issue, try out the advanced mode of ublock origin where you can block scripts.
openbsd: what a revelation!Show Image(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BkZvvasIYAAdlQW.jpg)
So you made the switch finally?
yeah and other than javascript in any browser being dog-slow, i love it!
Since when? I've never had any problems like this - are you sure it's not just your hardware? If it's a big issue, try out the advanced mode of ublock origin where you can block scripts.
Javascript just doesn't work that well on BSD. Linux suffers from the same too.
s/Javascript/Adobe\ Flash/openbsd: what a revelation!Show Image(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BkZvvasIYAAdlQW.jpg)
So you made the switch finally?
yeah and other than javascript in any browser being dog-slow, i love it!
Since when? I've never had any problems like this - are you sure it's not just your hardware? If it's a big issue, try out the advanced mode of ublock origin where you can block scripts.
Javascript just doesn't work that well on BSD. Linux suffers from the same too.
I switched to ubuntu for a while but realised I wanted to game lol
Do you mostly use 'lite' distros without the GUI and SSH in or use the GUI?
Do you mostly use 'lite' distros without the GUI and SSH in or use the GUI?
Anybody using Docker?
Anybody using Docker?
I really like Docker, it was the only menu bar that worked on ARM laptop for me!
Docker is an open-source project that automates the deployment of applications inside software containers, by providing an additional layer of abstraction and automation of operating-system-level virtualization on Linux.
Anybody use the Enlightenment desktop? I've played around with it on a few live USBs, and it seems interesting enough for a beginner like myself.Enlightenment's zenith was back in the late 90s. Memories of sitting in the dev chat, thinking I was a prodigy for writing some E widget that displayed temp. or load or something...
Anybody use the Enlightenment desktop? I've played around with it on a few live USBs, and it seems interesting enough for a beginner like myself.
Anybody use the Enlightenment desktop?Nope, absolutely not. But here's a ridiculous Daily WTF on, well, Enlightenment code base (https://what.thedailywtf.com/t/enlightened/8795).
For stability purposes I use Ubuntu LTS on my server. Server's running now for 3 years day-in-day-out.. no one single config or update break. Holy miracle..My android build server has been running LTS as well for a similar time, ridiculously stable. Though my old web server, which ran Cent was similar, I'm just not a fan of it. I liked Red Hat and Cent until I had that server for a while. When it fell a bit too far behind, all advice I found flat out said do NOT update it as it would probably break. That ended that.
Well it's been quite a while since I posted here, so I figure I'll post what I use again.Kind of an update for me as well, but also follows what you found...
After around 3 years of distro hopping and using Arch quite a bit of that time, I find that Anything Debian/Ubuntu-based for my desktop/laptops and Debian for my server(s) is good enough for me.
Remember these?Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/9nuHOC9.jpg?1)
I found them underneath my bed. All the disks are missing, not that it matters. I had a BeOS one that wasn't with them, hopefully it will turn up, old school esoteric.
Well it's been quite a while since I posted here, so I figure I'll post what I use again.
After around 3 years of distro hopping and using Arch quite a bit of that time, I find that Anything Debian/Ubuntu-based for my desktop/laptops and Debian for my server(s) is good enough for me.
And I am looking at FreeBSD on my secondary desktop just to see what ZFS is all about.
Anybody use the Enlightenment desktop? I've played around with it on a few live USBs, and it seems interesting enough for a beginner like myself.I used it with a 4K display because it has a global scaling setting.
Btw no to flame, but how is linux on the desktop? I am getting increasingly tired of Apple's practices (glueing everything, making you buy the most expensive configuration to future-proof, etc.) and was thinking of building my own powerhouse rig with linux. But then I noticed that there are still many issues on the desktop. Is this still true?
For instance: http://itvision.altervista.org/why.linux.is.not.ready.for.the.desktop.current.html
List is really scaring the crap out of me.. I need stuff to work. I can do sysops and figure the **** out of my installation, but I do not want to break stuff continuously when I'm working on deadlines.
Well it's been quite a while since I posted here, so I figure I'll post what I use again.
After around 3 years of distro hopping and using Arch quite a bit of that time, I find that Anything Debian/Ubuntu-based for my desktop/laptops and Debian for my server(s) is good enough for me.
And I am looking at FreeBSD on my secondary desktop just to see what ZFS is all about.
I thought of switching to FreeBSD coz of ZFS as well. But then I found out that ZFS and all its newer goodness is owned by Oracle. And they do not always (or in a timely manner) backport to FreeBSD and the lot. So I decided to stick with EXT4 and wait till BTRFS becomes more stable I guess.
Btw no to flame, but how is linux on the desktop? I am getting increasingly tired of Apple's practices (glueing everything, making you buy the most expensive configuration to future-proof, etc.) and was thinking of building my own powerhouse rig with linux. But then I noticed that there are still many issues on the desktop. Is this still true?
For instance: http://itvision.altervista.org/why.linux.is.not.ready.for.the.desktop.current.html
List is really scaring the crap out of me.. I need stuff to work. I can do sysops and figure the **** out of my installation, but I do not want to break stuff continuously when I'm working on deadlines.
Btw no to flame, but how is linux on the desktop? I am getting increasingly tired of Apple's practices (glueing everything, making you buy the most expensive configuration to future-proof, etc.) and was thinking of building my own powerhouse rig with linux. But then I noticed that there are still many issues on the desktop. Is this still true?
For instance: http://itvision.altervista.org/why.linux.is.not.ready.for.the.desktop.current.html
List is really scaring the crap out of me.. I need stuff to work. I can do sysops and figure the **** out of my installation, but I do not want to break stuff continuously when I'm working on deadlines.
Thanks! Insightful. I would mainly use desktop for latex, R, python, and terminal tools. But, unfortunately, I also use Adobe Illustrator / Photoshop, and I **need** the real MS Office.
Best solution I've come up with is use OSX with tmux + vim in terminal for real work and then I can just use other Adobe / MS apps. But I miss the raw horsepower in Linux.. El Capitan is VERY LAGGY on my 2010 MBP (fully specced and maxed out).
Looking at that particular article, I don't see anything glaringly inaccurate. But don't just consider the list, consider the entire article.
My reading is that the author does not intend to say that linux is garbage and it's impossible to use for real work. Rather, linux is one of many imperfect operating systems. For me, and for most of the work I do, I have found that the initial time investment of getting a linux workstation set up the way I want it has been worthwhile in terms of my enjoyment of the system overall. And while I can do well over 90% of the work I need to using linux, I've found it useful to keep a windows machine around for the other 5-10% of tasks.
Linux gaming is much improved from a few years ago, but it's definitely not a strong point of the platform. The solutions for using Windows-only software are poor, and provide a diminished experience. Audio is a bit of a mess to get working, but usually it's fine once one finds the configuration that meets their needs.
Articles like that one aren't intended to scare you off from using linux entirely. Rather, they should encourage you to reflect on your use case, and determine if linux is a viable option for your situation. If, after doing your own research, you feel that the benefits of linux outweigh the negatives, and represent an improvement from your current situation, I would encourage you to give it a try. If you choose hardware with a view to having well-supported and well-documented processes, I think you can avoid a fair number of the most frustrating pitfalls.
tl;dr that article is factually correct, but remember that every OS has problems. Whether linux is right for you rests on what you hope to do with it, and you need to decide for yourself if the time to set up a linux machine will be worthwhile to you or not.
Btw no to flame, but how is linux on the desktop?...
Does the laptop require more CPU power to run cinnamon? I remember on my ARMv7 laptop, xfce was one of the few solid desktop environments that worked. I don't remember if cinnamon was available at the time. However, I checked and the packages are there. I only wish I tried it out. Let me know how it runs on ARM if you can.
Personally for me, I am just waiting for LXQt to be a thing, because I personally would rather use Qt applications if I can.
Personally for me, I am just waiting for LXQt to be a thing, because I personally would rather use Qt applications if I can.
Ever heard of Lumina? Yes, it's still in development, but it's already becoming "a thing" because of BSD's.
I just use i3. But that's only good for coding, like tmux. I can image that it is a struggle for day-to-day casual browsing and stuff.
Personally for me, I am just waiting for LXQt to be a thing, because I personally would rather use Qt applications if I can.
Ever heard of Lumina? Yes, it's still in development, but it's already becoming "a thing" because of BSD's.
Wow that's a beaut! I'll be keeping a close eye on that.I just use i3. But that's only good for coding, like tmux. I can image that it is a struggle for day-to-day casual browsing and stuff.
I was able to do it for day-to-day use for quite a while, but then reality came in and made me realize it's not the most productive, just give me dmenu basically and I'm happy!
Curious... what made your i3-experience unproductive?
I first read of Ubuntu the year after I graduated high school (2004), but at the time dual booting scared me a little. I tried Mint/Cinnamon eight years after reading of Ubuntu. A few years after trying Mint/Cinnamon I realized what I needed was a distro that I could build up, Mint had too many layers added for my tastes. I settled on dual booting Linux Lite, I could build that up and watch my hardware resource monitors as I add new layers. I suppose I'll try Arch on my spare computer sometime this year ;)
Arch is definitely something I would say everyone should try at least once, have fun with it!
Keep this man away from Gentoo!!! :pCurious... what made your i3-experience unproductive?
I was wanting to customize i3 more than I wanted to do my work. :))
Arch is definitely something I would say everyone should try at least once, have fun with it!
Keep this man away from Gentoo!!! :pCurious... what made your i3-experience unproductive?
I was wanting to customize i3 more than I wanted to do my work. :))
Arch is definitely something I would say everyone should try at least once, have fun with it!
tl;dr that article is factually correct, but remember that every OS has problems. Whether linux is right for you rests on what you hope to do with it, and you need to decide for yourself if the time to set up a linux machine will be worthwhile to you or not.
Precisely this, when considering for a more "professional" use. For those cases Ubuntu is generally the way to go as well.
If you have a cheap/old desktop or laptop laying around, you can always try out a few of the distros you are considering on that before making the full switch over as well.
Precisely this, when considering for a more "professional" use. For those cases Ubuntu is generally the way to go as well.
If you have a cheap/old desktop or laptop laying around, you can always try out a few of the distros you are considering on that before making the full switch over as well.
That's my experience as well. So far, ubuntu updates (dist upgrades as well as regular updates) never broke anything for me so far *knock on wood*.
Precisely this, when considering for a more "professional" use. For those cases Ubuntu is generally the way to go as well.
If you have a cheap/old desktop or laptop laying around, you can always try out a few of the distros you are considering on that before making the full switch over as well.
That's my experience as well. So far, ubuntu updates (dist upgrades as well as regular updates) never broke anything for me so far *knock on wood*.
LTS or non-LTS release? :p
i dual boot windows 10 enterprise ltsb and arch linux on my main pc. for general use (browsing, music, videos) i default to arch. i find that having a system that simple and powerful really helps me get stuff done. plus messing with arch is just fun.
also, i run armbian cli on my banana pi. makes for a cute nas setup.
There are still some things where Linux is severely lacking, video editing, cad, and photo editing to name a few.i dual boot windows 10 enterprise ltsb and arch linux on my main pc. for general use (browsing, music, videos) i default to arch. i find that having a system that simple and powerful really helps me get stuff done. plus messing with arch is just fun.
also, i run armbian cli on my banana pi. makes for a cute nas setup.
What do you still need Windows for? Gaming?
There are still some things where Linux is severely lacking, video editing, cad, and photo editing to name a few.i dual boot windows 10 enterprise ltsb and arch linux on my main pc. for general use (browsing, music, videos) i default to arch. i find that having a system that simple and powerful really helps me get stuff done. plus messing with arch is just fun.
also, i run armbian cli on my banana pi. makes for a cute nas setup.
What do you still need Windows for? Gaming?
There are still some things where Linux is severely lacking, video editing, cad, and photo editing to name a few.i dual boot windows 10 enterprise ltsb and arch linux on my main pc. for general use (browsing, music, videos) i default to arch. i find that having a system that simple and powerful really helps me get stuff done. plus messing with arch is just fun.
also, i run armbian cli on my banana pi. makes for a cute nas setup.
What do you still need Windows for? Gaming?
There are still some things where Linux is severely lacking, video editing, cad, and photo editing to name a few.i dual boot windows 10 enterprise ltsb and arch linux on my main pc. for general use (browsing, music, videos) i default to arch. i find that having a system that simple and powerful really helps me get stuff done. plus messing with arch is just fun.
also, i run armbian cli on my banana pi. makes for a cute nas setup.
What do you still need Windows for? Gaming?
video editing and photo editing I agree that OS X's story is much better (for example with the various Adobe tools) but... Is Linux really lacking in the CAD space? I was under the impression that some of the very best 3D tools like Autodesk's Maya were available under Linux (and also the free Blender). I also know for a fact that some top-notch 3D firms do use Linux-only servers in their rendering farms (which I know ain't the same as 3D modelling but it's related).
For example I was under the impression that some impressive 3D short movies had been made on Linux, using only open source tools.
For sound editing (which you didn't mention) apparently Linux has some very good free tools too btw.
video editing and photo editing I agree that OS X's story is much better (for example with the various Adobe tools) but... Is Linux really lacking in the CAD space? I was under the impression that some of the very best 3D tools like Autodesk's Maya were available under Linux (and also the free Blender). I also know for a fact that some top-notch 3D firms do use Linux-only servers in their rendering farms (which I know ain't the same as 3D modelling but it's related).Yes, Linux very much is lacking in the CAD space. Sure, we have FreeCAD, and whatever other free CAD software there is out there. I've tried them all and none stack up to what Autodesk has to offer. Also, sure you can make really nice looking 3D films using Blender but it lacks the intuition for it to be used more often in the professional world.
For example I was under the impression that some impressive 3D short movies had been made on Linux, using only open source tools.
For sound editing (which you didn't mention) apparently Linux has some very good free tools too btw.
For Photo editing, Windows still rules. Mac isn't far behind, but sorry Mac guys, Windows is better for Photoshop. You can thank Apple and Adobe for that situation, they started off great but slowly turned into that couple in the trailer park with 5 kids who keep trying to kill each other. They won't break up, but do all they can to piss each other off.
Gimp and Krita are aimed at very different use cases. The latter is a drawing application and it's supposedly excellent as such. Gimp, on the other hand, is what the name suggests: an image manipulation app; color-space support just isn't there for professional usage, e.g., with DTP ecosystem. Speaking of DTP, there's nothing even remotely comparable to InDesign on GNU/Linux.Inkscape is what I use for all my avatars and such, I like it.
The CAD/CAM market is a weird one for a change. I know, for instance, that Catia has existed for GNU/Linux, even quite recently, but without a public release or anything along the lines of that.
Gimp and Krita are aimed at very different use cases. The latter is a drawing application and it's supposedly excellent as such. Gimp, on the other hand, is what the name suggests: an image manipulation app; color-space support just isn't there for professional usage, e.g., with DTP ecosystem. Speaking of DTP, there's nothing even remotely comparable to InDesign on GNU/Linux.Inkscape is what I use for all my avatars and such, I like it.
The CAD/CAM market is a weird one for a change. I know, for instance, that Catia has existed for GNU/Linux, even quite recently, but without a public release or anything along the lines of that.
I would definitely take Adobe Illustrator over Inkscape any day. Restarting because a tool stopped functioning can be time consuming.Gimp and Krita are aimed at very different use cases. The latter is a drawing application and it's supposedly excellent as such. Gimp, on the other hand, is what the name suggests: an image manipulation app; color-space support just isn't there for professional usage, e.g., with DTP ecosystem. Speaking of DTP, there's nothing even remotely comparable to InDesign on GNU/Linux.Inkscape is what I use for all my avatars and such, I like it.
The CAD/CAM market is a weird one for a change. I know, for instance, that Catia has existed for GNU/Linux, even quite recently, but without a public release or anything along the lines of that.
I used to like Inkscape but it was too buggy for me for serious professional work. But I do like the color palette of Inkscape very very much. Reminds me of the original COREL color palette in COREL Draw.
For Photo editing, Windows still rules. Mac isn't far behind, but sorry Mac guys, Windows is better for Photoshop. You can thank Apple and Adobe for that situation, they started off great but slowly turned into that couple in the trailer park with 5 kids who keep trying to kill each other. They won't break up, but do all they can to piss each other off.
What's wrong with Photoshop on a Mac? Or put differently, why is Photoshop so much better on Windows?
i dual boot windows 10 enterprise ltsb and arch linux on my main pc. for general use (browsing, music, videos) i default to arch. i find that having a system that simple and powerful really helps me get stuff done. plus messing with arch is just fun.
also, i run armbian cli on my banana pi. makes for a cute nas setup.
What do you still need Windows for? Gaming?
Would you mind telling us which program you use to edit videos with?i dual boot windows 10 enterprise ltsb and arch linux on my main pc. for general use (browsing, music, videos) i default to arch. i find that having a system that simple and powerful really helps me get stuff done. plus messing with arch is just fun.
also, i run armbian cli on my banana pi. makes for a cute nas setup.
What do you still need Windows for? Gaming?
well this has been pretty much answered at this point, but occasionally yeah. my use of it mostly comes from video editing and a couple of other special programs that i need for work.
Would you mind telling us which program you use to edit videos with?i dual boot windows 10 enterprise ltsb and arch linux on my main pc. for general use (browsing, music, videos) i default to arch. i find that having a system that simple and powerful really helps me get stuff done. plus messing with arch is just fun.
also, i run armbian cli on my banana pi. makes for a cute nas setup.
What do you still need Windows for? Gaming?
well this has been pretty much answered at this point, but occasionally yeah. my use of it mostly comes from video editing and a couple of other special programs that i need for work.
For stability purposes I use Ubuntu LTS on my server. Server's running now for 3 years day-in-day-out.. no one single config or update break. Holy miracle..
On desktop, I mainly now use OS X with a terminal with tmux+vim+tools, but I used to use Arch Linux. But now they got rid of the installer in base, I do not like it that much anymore. I can do the manual install, I've done it multiple times, but I simply don't like it. A bit too barebones for me. I also always had update breaks like 1-2 times every 3 months. Became too annoying for me, so I took the plunge, emptied my wallet and bought a mac somehere in 2008.
Started with SuSE 7 somewhere in 2000, proceeded with Mandrake, RHEL, Debian. Tried Gentoo / Penguin Linux on the side. Ultimately sticked with Arch because of i686 and it's speed and xubuntu coz of laziness.
For CAD I've found FreeCAD to be decent enough. I've never tried my hand at using a libre CAM control software.For stability purposes I use Ubuntu LTS on my server. Server's running now for 3 years day-in-day-out.. no one single config or update break. Holy miracle..
On desktop, I mainly now use OS X with a terminal with tmux+vim+tools, but I used to use Arch Linux. But now they got rid of the installer in base, I do not like it that much anymore. I can do the manual install, I've done it multiple times, but I simply don't like it. A bit too barebones for me. I also always had update breaks like 1-2 times every 3 months. Became too annoying for me, so I took the plunge, emptied my wallet and bought a mac somehere in 2008.
Started with SuSE 7 somewhere in 2000, proceeded with Mandrake, RHEL, Debian. Tried Gentoo / Penguin Linux on the side. Ultimately sticked with Arch because of i686 and it's speed and xubuntu coz of laziness.
I would not advise chasing uptime. 3 years between reboots on Ubuntu LTS means you're forgoing critical kernel security patch backports. I would be quite careful about what services you run on machines that are not receiving regular kernel security updates. Sure, if your userland is fully patched you may consider that a mitigating factor, but the likelihood that your userland is impervious to penetration is extremely low. There have been a myriad of local root escalation vulnerabilities disclosed in the last several years, many of which likely affect your running kernel.
The whole bricking the bootloader is the reason I quit dual booting Linux. I hate reformatting.For CAD I've found FreeCAD to be decent enough. I've never tried my hand at using a libre CAM control software.For stability purposes I use Ubuntu LTS on my server. Server's running now for 3 years day-in-day-out.. no one single config or update break. Holy miracle..
On desktop, I mainly now use OS X with a terminal with tmux+vim+tools, but I used to use Arch Linux. But now they got rid of the installer in base, I do not like it that much anymore. I can do the manual install, I've done it multiple times, but I simply don't like it. A bit too barebones for me. I also always had update breaks like 1-2 times every 3 months. Became too annoying for me, so I took the plunge, emptied my wallet and bought a mac somehere in 2008.
Started with SuSE 7 somewhere in 2000, proceeded with Mandrake, RHEL, Debian. Tried Gentoo / Penguin Linux on the side. Ultimately sticked with Arch because of i686 and it's speed and xubuntu coz of laziness.
I would not advise chasing uptime. 3 years between reboots on Ubuntu LTS means you're forgoing critical kernel security patch backports. I would be quite careful about what services you run on machines that are not receiving regular kernel security updates. Sure, if your userland is fully patched you may consider that a mitigating factor, but the likelihood that your userland is impervious to penetration is extremely low. There have been a myriad of local root escalation vulnerabilities disclosed in the last several years, many of which likely affect your running kernel.
You are completely right and I am fully aware of that, but thanks. What I meant to say is not that it is running 3 years WITHOUT REBOOTS, but that it has been running even with kernel updates not bricking the boatloader or other config.
The whole bricking the bootloader is the reason I quit dual booting Linux. I hate reformatting.For CAD I've found FreeCAD to be decent enough. I've never tried my hand at using a libre CAM control software.For stability purposes I use Ubuntu LTS on my server. Server's running now for 3 years day-in-day-out.. no one single config or update break. Holy miracle..
On desktop, I mainly now use OS X with a terminal with tmux+vim+tools, but I used to use Arch Linux. But now they got rid of the installer in base, I do not like it that much anymore. I can do the manual install, I've done it multiple times, but I simply don't like it. A bit too barebones for me. I also always had update breaks like 1-2 times every 3 months. Became too annoying for me, so I took the plunge, emptied my wallet and bought a mac somehere in 2008.
Started with SuSE 7 somewhere in 2000, proceeded with Mandrake, RHEL, Debian. Tried Gentoo / Penguin Linux on the side. Ultimately sticked with Arch because of i686 and it's speed and xubuntu coz of laziness.
I would not advise chasing uptime. 3 years between reboots on Ubuntu LTS means you're forgoing critical kernel security patch backports. I would be quite careful about what services you run on machines that are not receiving regular kernel security updates. Sure, if your userland is fully patched you may consider that a mitigating factor, but the likelihood that your userland is impervious to penetration is extremely low. There have been a myriad of local root escalation vulnerabilities disclosed in the last several years, many of which likely affect your running kernel.
You are completely right and I am fully aware of that, but thanks. What I meant to say is not that it is running 3 years WITHOUT REBOOTS, but that it has been running even with kernel updates not bricking the boatloader or other config.
Yes, Linux very much is lacking in the CAD space. Sure, we have FreeCAD, and whatever other free CAD software there is out there. I've tried them all and none stack up to what Autodesk has to offer.
For CAD I've found FreeCAD to be decent enough. I've never tried my hand at using a libre CAM control software.For stability purposes I use Ubuntu LTS on my server. Server's running now for 3 years day-in-day-out.. no one single config or update break. Holy miracle..
On desktop, I mainly now use OS X with a terminal with tmux+vim+tools, but I used to use Arch Linux. But now they got rid of the installer in base, I do not like it that much anymore. I can do the manual install, I've done it multiple times, but I simply don't like it. A bit too barebones for me. I also always had update breaks like 1-2 times every 3 months. Became too annoying for me, so I took the plunge, emptied my wallet and bought a mac somehere in 2008.
Started with SuSE 7 somewhere in 2000, proceeded with Mandrake, RHEL, Debian. Tried Gentoo / Penguin Linux on the side. Ultimately sticked with Arch because of i686 and it's speed and xubuntu coz of laziness.
I would not advise chasing uptime. 3 years between reboots on Ubuntu LTS means you're forgoing critical kernel security patch backports. I would be quite careful about what services you run on machines that are not receiving regular kernel security updates. Sure, if your userland is fully patched you may consider that a mitigating factor, but the likelihood that your userland is impervious to penetration is extremely low. There have been a myriad of local root escalation vulnerabilities disclosed in the last several years, many of which likely affect your running kernel.
So Autodesk's Maya on Linux doesn't stack up with Autodesk's Maya on non-Linux systems? I don't know much in this space: all I know is I've got friends running a huge advertising company (for TV ads) and doing short movies and they're using Maya and this is professional grade 3D software. Once again I don't know much: maybe your referring to AutoCAD and Maya is "3D and not CAD" and AutoCAD sucks on Linux (or doesn't exist). All I know is Autodesk makes Maya and Maya runs on Linux and Maya is one of the top-notch 3D editing software that exists (used for many movies, ads and even computer games).From the outside, yes they perform the same basic functions, but one is meant for drawing a 3d object from an art perspective, the other is designed for high precision engineering multi-part assemblies where you can test clearances operation, flow rates and stress test.
For CAD I've found FreeCAD to be decent enough. I've never tried my hand at using a libre CAM control software.For stability purposes I use Ubuntu LTS on my server. Server's running now for 3 years day-in-day-out.. no one single config or update break. Holy miracle..
On desktop, I mainly now use OS X with a terminal with tmux+vim+tools, but I used to use Arch Linux. But now they got rid of the installer in base, I do not like it that much anymore. I can do the manual install, I've done it multiple times, but I simply don't like it. A bit too barebones for me. I also always had update breaks like 1-2 times every 3 months. Became too annoying for me, so I took the plunge, emptied my wallet and bought a mac somehere in 2008.
Started with SuSE 7 somewhere in 2000, proceeded with Mandrake, RHEL, Debian. Tried Gentoo / Penguin Linux on the side. Ultimately sticked with Arch because of i686 and it's speed and xubuntu coz of laziness.
I would not advise chasing uptime. 3 years between reboots on Ubuntu LTS means you're forgoing critical kernel security patch backports. I would be quite careful about what services you run on machines that are not receiving regular kernel security updates. Sure, if your userland is fully patched you may consider that a mitigating factor, but the likelihood that your userland is impervious to penetration is extremely low. There have been a myriad of local root escalation vulnerabilities disclosed in the last several years, many of which likely affect your running kernel.
Not necessarily. I've had Linux servers (Debian) which I monitored closely reach 4 digits days of uptime without a single security exploit / kernel bug requiring a reboot affecting my setup. It would be interesting to see how regularly there are kernel updates requiring a reboot or leaving you exposed to a security exploit. But this is dependent on the setup. For me it was only HTTP / HTTPS and port 22 open and that's it IIRC. I had several Java patches (for Apache Tomcat, patches against DoS) requiring a reboot of Tomcat (but not the entire Linux box) and several Linux patch, but no kernel patches ones during that uptime.
It would be interesting to see how often there are kernel patches requiring a reboot that would otherwise leave you open to security exploits depending on your setup but I'm pretty sure that it's not "every 6 months". Granted, 1100 days of uptime may be a bit of a stretch, but I did it and AFAIK I saw nothing affecting me (and that machine never gave any sign of not working correctly or suspicious activity, as monitored both externally by the hosting company and by me).
Now I'd consider anyone besides me logging into SSH, in a non-root account, to be a full compromise of the machine (but that'd mean my login credentials would have been stolen or that SSH itself would have an exploit
Eventually what happened is the motherboard died and the company I was renting the server from "upgraded" my server to new a system... Debian distribution was so old that the new motherboard's network chipset wasn't recognized: was fun figuring it all out because at first I didn't realize the hardware had been changed :)
I'm not saying it's always possible but when there are no critical kernel patches, Linux is that stable...
The whole bricking the bootloader is the reason I quit dual booting Linux. I hate reformatting.For CAD I've found FreeCAD to be decent enough. I've never tried my hand at using a libre CAM control software.For stability purposes I use Ubuntu LTS on my server. Server's running now for 3 years day-in-day-out.. no one single config or update break. Holy miracle..
On desktop, I mainly now use OS X with a terminal with tmux+vim+tools, but I used to use Arch Linux. But now they got rid of the installer in base, I do not like it that much anymore. I can do the manual install, I've done it multiple times, but I simply don't like it. A bit too barebones for me. I also always had update breaks like 1-2 times every 3 months. Became too annoying for me, so I took the plunge, emptied my wallet and bought a mac somehere in 2008.
Started with SuSE 7 somewhere in 2000, proceeded with Mandrake, RHEL, Debian. Tried Gentoo / Penguin Linux on the side. Ultimately sticked with Arch because of i686 and it's speed and xubuntu coz of laziness.
I would not advise chasing uptime. 3 years between reboots on Ubuntu LTS means you're forgoing critical kernel security patch backports. I would be quite careful about what services you run on machines that are not receiving regular kernel security updates. Sure, if your userland is fully patched you may consider that a mitigating factor, but the likelihood that your userland is impervious to penetration is extremely low. There have been a myriad of local root escalation vulnerabilities disclosed in the last several years, many of which likely affect your running kernel.
You are completely right and I am fully aware of that, but thanks. What I meant to say is not that it is running 3 years WITHOUT REBOOTS, but that it has been running even with kernel updates not bricking the boatloader or other config.
I was testing the limits of my graphics card using a tool I've never used before. A few kernel panics/freezes later and I couldn't fix the bootloader. I had to do a fresh install. I assumed that "bricking' was similar to what people experience after bricking their Android phone. My intention wasn't to say, "hey, dual booting is a bad idea." I'm just not comfortable with the issues I'd had in the past with dual booting. Please keep in mind that my experience with Linux as a whole is limited to basic distros. If I were to dive back in I would learn more about the environment that appeals to me, and build it up myself.The whole bricking the bootloader is the reason I quit dual booting Linux. I hate reformatting.For CAD I've found FreeCAD to be decent enough. I've never tried my hand at using a libre CAM control software.For stability purposes I use Ubuntu LTS on my server. Server's running now for 3 years day-in-day-out.. no one single config or update break. Holy miracle..
On desktop, I mainly now use OS X with a terminal with tmux+vim+tools, but I used to use Arch Linux. But now they got rid of the installer in base, I do not like it that much anymore. I can do the manual install, I've done it multiple times, but I simply don't like it. A bit too barebones for me. I also always had update breaks like 1-2 times every 3 months. Became too annoying for me, so I took the plunge, emptied my wallet and bought a mac somehere in 2008.
Started with SuSE 7 somewhere in 2000, proceeded with Mandrake, RHEL, Debian. Tried Gentoo / Penguin Linux on the side. Ultimately sticked with Arch because of i686 and it's speed and xubuntu coz of laziness.
I would not advise chasing uptime. 3 years between reboots on Ubuntu LTS means you're forgoing critical kernel security patch backports. I would be quite careful about what services you run on machines that are not receiving regular kernel security updates. Sure, if your userland is fully patched you may consider that a mitigating factor, but the likelihood that your userland is impervious to penetration is extremely low. There have been a myriad of local root escalation vulnerabilities disclosed in the last several years, many of which likely affect your running kernel.
You are completely right and I am fully aware of that, but thanks. What I meant to say is not that it is running 3 years WITHOUT REBOOTS, but that it has been running even with kernel updates not bricking the boatloader or other config.
What do you mean by "bricking" your bootloader? If you are already chainloading your other OS (assuming Windows), the absolute worst case scenario is having to re-run grub-install (or similar MBR-paving tool if you're using a different bootloader).
This already may have been asked, but what's a good distro for someone who's never used Linux, and has grown up using Windows and Mac? Is Ubuntu a good place to start?
This already may have been asked, but what's a good distro for someone who's never used Linux, and has grown up using Windows and Mac? Is Ubuntu a good place to start?
Ubuntu is decent. I personally like Linux Mint, as it was the one that got me into using linux full time (something Ubuntu was never able to do). Both are fairly common and well-supported distros, and I was happy with how both were put together.
This already may have been asked, but what's a good distro for someone who's never used Linux, and has grown up using Windows and Mac? Is Ubuntu a good place to start?
Ubuntu is decent. I personally like Linux Mint, as it was the one that got me into using linux full time (something Ubuntu was never able to do). Both are fairly common and well-supported distros, and I was happy with how both were put together.
I hear Linux Mint is more customizable, yes?
This already may have been asked, but what's a good distro for someone who's never used Linux, and has grown up using Windows and Mac? Is Ubuntu a good place to start?
Ubuntu is decent. I personally like Linux Mint, as it was the one that got me into using linux full time (something Ubuntu was never able to do). Both are fairly common and well-supported distros, and I was happy with how both were put together.
I hear Linux Mint is more customizable, yes?
I don't know that I'd call either one more customizable out of the box. Linux as a whole is essentially as customizable as you want it to be, whether that means installing packages from the package manager, compiling from source, or writing your own scripts and apps.
To my knowledge, Mint and Ubuntu draw on a lot of the same repositories for precompiled software, so there shouldn't be a ton of difference in that regard. What sort of customization are you asking about in particular?
This already may have been asked, but what's a good distro for someone who's never used Linux, and has grown up using Windows and Mac? Is Ubuntu a good place to start?
Ubuntu is decent. I personally like Linux Mint, as it was the one that got me into using linux full time (something Ubuntu was never able to do). Both are fairly common and well-supported distros, and I was happy with how both were put together.
I hear Linux Mint is more customizable, yes?
This already may have been asked, but what's a good distro for someone who's never used Linux, and has grown up using Windows and Mac? Is Ubuntu a good place to start?
Ubuntu is decent. I personally like Linux Mint, as it was the one that got me into using linux full time (something Ubuntu was never able to do). Both are fairly common and well-supported distros, and I was happy with how both were put together.
I hear Linux Mint is more customizable, yes?
If you're looking at Ubuntu's Unity desktop compared to Mint's Cinnamon desktop then they are actually about on par in terms of customization.
This already may have been asked, but what's a good distro for someone who's never used Linux, and has grown up using Windows and Mac? Is Ubuntu a good place to start?
Ubuntu is decent. I personally like Linux Mint, as it was the one that got me into using linux full time (something Ubuntu was never able to do). Both are fairly common and well-supported distros, and I was happy with how both were put together.
I hear Linux Mint is more customizable, yes?
This already may have been asked, but what's a good distro for someone who's never used Linux, and has grown up using Windows and Mac? Is Ubuntu a good place to start?
Ubuntu is decent. I personally like Linux Mint, as it was the one that got me into using linux full time (something Ubuntu was never able to do). Both are fairly common and well-supported distros, and I was happy with how both were put together.
I hear Linux Mint is more customizable, yes?
If you're looking at Ubuntu's Unity desktop compared to Mint's Cinnamon desktop then they are actually about on par in terms of customization.
Mint is basically a distro built on the foundation of Ubuntu, which isn't a bad starting point since there is so many tutorials, support and installers built around Ubuntu.
While Ubuntu tries to give you everything, Mint is a bit more barebones... Here's what you need, nothing more. Besides the desktop itself, other changes are a few tweaks and improvements here or there, and removal of Ubuntu's shared search results. Mint offers more desktop options, but once installed your options to customize any Linux distro is pretty much unlimited really, with most having similar options, it's just a matter of starting point.
This already may have been asked, but what's a good distro for someone who's never used Linux, and has grown up using Windows and Mac? Is Ubuntu a good place to start?
Ubuntu is decent. I personally like Linux Mint, as it was the one that got me into using linux full time (something Ubuntu was never able to do). Both are fairly common and well-supported distros, and I was happy with how both were put together.
I hear Linux Mint is more customizable, yes?
If you're looking at Ubuntu's Unity desktop compared to Mint's Cinnamon desktop then they are actually about on par in terms of customization.
This already may have been asked, but what's a good distro for someone who's never used Linux, and has grown up using Windows and Mac? Is Ubuntu a good place to start?
Ubuntu is decent. I personally like Linux Mint, as it was the one that got me into using linux full time (something Ubuntu was never able to do). Both are fairly common and well-supported distros, and I was happy with how both were put together.
I hear Linux Mint is more customizable, yes?
If you're looking at Ubuntu's Unity desktop compared to Mint's Cinnamon desktop then they are actually about on par in terms of customization.
I think Ubuntu's Unity is much prettier than Mint's Cinnamon or Mate but I know that's kind of a controversial opinion. You can try both out before installing though!
While Ubuntu tries to give you everything, Mint is a bit more barebones... Here's what you need, nothing more. Besides the desktop itself, other changes are a few tweaks and improvements here or there, and removal of Ubuntu's shared search results. Mint offers more desktop options, but once installed your options to customize any Linux distro is pretty much unlimited really, with most having similar options, it's just a matter of starting point.
While Ubuntu tries to give you everything, Mint is a bit more barebones... Here's what you need, nothing more. Besides the desktop itself, other changes are a few tweaks and improvements here or there, and removal of Ubuntu's shared search results. Mint offers more desktop options, but once installed your options to customize any Linux distro is pretty much unlimited really, with most having similar options, it's just a matter of starting point.
This helps a lot, thanks. Sounds like Ubuntu has more than I need, and I can always tweak here and there later. I'd like to try out as barebones as possible and then modify later.
Mint it is!
This already may have been asked, but what's a good distro for someone who's never used Linux, and has grown up using Windows and Mac? Is Ubuntu a good place to start?
Ubuntu is decent. I personally like Linux Mint, as it was the one that got me into using linux full time (something Ubuntu was never able to do). Both are fairly common and well-supported distros, and I was happy with how both were put together.
I hear Linux Mint is more customizable, yes?
If you're looking at Ubuntu's Unity desktop compared to Mint's Cinnamon desktop then they are actually about on par in terms of customization.
I think Ubuntu's Unity is much prettier than Mint's Cinnamon or Mate but I know that's kind of a controversial opinion. You can try both out before installing though!
Curious.. What do you actually like about Unity? I really hate it myself and I have always wondered what people may like about it.. (no flame intended)
This already may have been asked, but what's a good distro for someone who's never used Linux, and has grown up using Windows and Mac? Is Ubuntu a good place to start?
Ubuntu is decent. I personally like Linux Mint, as it was the one that got me into using linux full time (something Ubuntu was never able to do). Both are fairly common and well-supported distros, and I was happy with how both were put together.
I hear Linux Mint is more customizable, yes?
If you're looking at Ubuntu's Unity desktop compared to Mint's Cinnamon desktop then they are actually about on par in terms of customization.
I think Ubuntu's Unity is much prettier than Mint's Cinnamon or Mate but I know that's kind of a controversial opinion. You can try both out before installing though!
Curious.. What do you actually like about Unity? I really hate it myself and I have always wondered what people may like about it.. (no flame intended)
I really love Dash and the dock/launchbar thing on the left of the screen. I kind of prefer it to a standard toolbar. I do kind of value looks over functionality though so I know a lot of people don't like Unity since some actions are a bit slower to perform.
Also, I'm not sure if this is strictly a Unity feature, but I love the way you can move between four workspaces in Ubuntu. It's really easy to manage windows and I couldn't find anything as nice back when I was using Linux Mint with Cinnamon.
This already may have been asked, but what's a good distro for someone who's never used Linux, and has grown up using Windows and Mac? Is Ubuntu a good place to start?
Ubuntu is decent. I personally like Linux Mint, as it was the one that got me into using linux full time (something Ubuntu was never able to do). Both are fairly common and well-supported distros, and I was happy with how both were put together.
I hear Linux Mint is more customizable, yes?
If you're looking at Ubuntu's Unity desktop compared to Mint's Cinnamon desktop then they are actually about on par in terms of customization.
I think Ubuntu's Unity is much prettier than Mint's Cinnamon or Mate but I know that's kind of a controversial opinion. You can try both out before installing though!
This already may have been asked, but what's a good distro for someone who's never used Linux, and has grown up using Windows and Mac? Is Ubuntu a good place to start?
Ubuntu is decent. I personally like Linux Mint, as it was the one that got me into using linux full time (something Ubuntu was never able to do). Both are fairly common and well-supported distros, and I was happy with how both were put together.
I hear Linux Mint is more customizable, yes?
If you're looking at Ubuntu's Unity desktop compared to Mint's Cinnamon desktop then they are actually about on par in terms of customization.
I think Ubuntu's Unity is much prettier than Mint's Cinnamon or Mate but I know that's kind of a controversial opinion. You can try both out before installing though!
Curious.. What do you actually like about Unity? I really hate it myself and I have always wondered what people may like about it.. (no flame intended)
I really love Dash and the dock/launchbar thing on the left of the screen. I kind of prefer it to a standard toolbar. I do kind of value looks over functionality though so I know a lot of people don't like Unity since some actions are a bit slower to perform.
Also, I'm not sure if this is strictly a Unity feature, but I love the way you can move between four workspaces in Ubuntu. It's really easy to manage windows and I couldn't find anything as nice back when I was using Linux Mint with Cinnamon.
Yea, I can't read Skitty's pink text. I'm sure it looks pretty with the default Geekhack theme, but I can't read a darn thing.
Yea, I can't read Skitty's pink text. I'm sure it looks pretty with the default Geekhack theme, but I can't read a darn thing.
What's the background color of the theme you're using? Is a light color like white?
I'm using the Thoriated theme, which is a light brown/tannnish theme.
One of the things that bothered me the most about Cinnamon was that I couldn't find a way to put the panel to the side, like the dock in Ubuntu.
Cinnamon definitely has workspaces though -- I used two when I had Mint installed last year.
One of the things that bothered me the most about Cinnamon was that I couldn't find a way to put the panel to the side, like the dock in Ubuntu.
Cinnamon definitely has workspaces though -- I used two when I had Mint installed last year.
Doesn't Cinnamon have those workspaces that only let you move windows left and right though? In Unity you can move them up and down.
This already may have been asked, but what's a good distro for someone who's never used Linux, and has grown up using Windows and Mac? Is Ubuntu a good place to start?
This already may have been asked, but what's a good distro for someone who's never used Linux, and has grown up using Windows and Mac? Is Ubuntu a good place to start?
The Ubuntu variants, as others have pointed out, are a great place to start. Mint and Ubuntu are based on the same package management architecture.
I would advise playing around with a few different desktop environments, no matter what distro you pick. Install KDE, XFCE, Mate, etc., so you can try a few for yourself. The desktop environment is going to "feel" the most different to you between the distros that have been suggested. The CLI structure won't differ much (if at all) as long as you stay in the apt package management family (Mint, Ubuntu, Debian, etc etc). Even if you decide to get adventurous and branch out into different distro families, all of the common utility commands will be the same.
This already may have been asked, but what's a good distro for someone who's never used Linux, and has grown up using Windows and Mac? Is Ubuntu a good place to start?
The Ubuntu variants, as others have pointed out, are a great place to start. Mint and Ubuntu are based on the same package management architecture.
I would advise playing around with a few different desktop environments, no matter what distro you pick. Install KDE, XFCE, Mate, etc., so you can try a few for yourself. The desktop environment is going to "feel" the most different to you between the distros that have been suggested. The CLI structure won't differ much (if at all) as long as you stay in the apt package management family (Mint, Ubuntu, Debian, etc etc). Even if you decide to get adventurous and branch out into different distro families, all of the common utility commands will be the same.
Command line and package management are a little confusing to newbs, let's take it easy here. Coming from Windows and Mac OS, you don't even know about packages, you just think in terms of updates.
But when you start getting serious with Linux, you learn that command lines and packages are the essential parts of any distro.
Also, this is my 2K post, and I would not have wanted it happening any other way except talking about Linux and keyboards. If we could throw the viola and my girlfriend into the mix, I would be in heaven.
Happy 2k!! I made you a present in gimp.
I'd like to clear up some confusion I notice. Some people seem to think that Ubuntu has a specific graphical user interface and Linux Mint has another specific graphical interface.
But technically, you could get Unity on Linux Mint and Cinnamon / Mate on Ubuntu.
The only difference between the two distros is what they have INSTALLED BY DEFAULT.
Since both even share the same package manager (apt), you could easily install another desktop environment / window manager on either of the distributions to whatever you like (KDE, Unity, LXME, Fluxbox, evilwm, i3, Mate, Unity, whatever!).
I'd like to clear up some confusion I notice. Some people seem to think that Ubuntu has a specific graphical user interface and Linux Mint has another specific graphical interface.
But technically, you could get Unity on Linux Mint and Cinnamon / Mate on Ubuntu.
The only difference between the two distros is what they have INSTALLED BY DEFAULT.
Since both even share the same package manager (apt), you could easily install another desktop environment / window manager on either of the distributions to whatever you like (KDE, Unity, LXME, Fluxbox, evilwm, i3, Mate, Unity, whatever!).
I'd like to clear up some confusion I notice. Some people seem to think that Ubuntu has a specific graphical user interface and Linux Mint has another specific graphical interface.
But technically, you could get Unity on Linux Mint and Cinnamon / Mate on Ubuntu.
The only difference between the two distros is what they have INSTALLED BY DEFAULT.
Since both even share the same package manager (apt), you could easily install another desktop environment / window manager on either of the distributions to whatever you like (KDE, Unity, LXME, Fluxbox, evilwm, i3, Mate, Unity, whatever!).
Absolutely true -- But for someone new, I would recommend they pick a distro where they're happy with as many of the defaults as possible. The more things you strike out on your own to change, the more difficult it will be to get support if necessary, and the more effort you'll have to put in to get your system how you want it. While it's certainly possible, it's not the most newbie-friendly way of doing things.
I am setting up an older box to utilize some older gear with Mint 17.3 and I have one of these http://www.ebay.com/itm/Promise-Tech-Ultra100-IDE-Hard-Drive-PCI-Controller-Card/262287757452?_trksid=p2141725.c100338.m3726&_trkparms=aid%3D222007%26algo%3DSIC.MBE%26ao%3D1%26asc%3D20150313114020%26meid%3Dcd64ef245d4d4393b3742bc4bd14b0cc%26pid%3D100338%26rk%3D3%26rkt%3D8%26sd%3D272121654679 (http://www.ebay.com/itm/Promise-Tech-Ultra100-IDE-Hard-Drive-PCI-Controller-Card/262287757452?_trksid=p2141725.c100338.m3726&_trkparms=aid%3D222007%26algo%3DSIC.MBE%26ao%3D1%26asc%3D20150313114020%26meid%3Dcd64ef245d4d4393b3742bc4bd14b0cc%26pid%3D100338%26rk%3D3%26rkt%3D8%26sd%3D272121654679) that I would love to have available for some various drives, but the OS can't seem to find it/them.
Any ideas?
I am setting up an older box to utilize some older gear with Mint 17.3 and I have one of these http://www.ebay.com/itm/Promise-Tech-Ultra100-IDE-Hard-Drive-PCI-Controller-Card/262287757452?_trksid=p2141725.c100338.m3726&_trkparms=aid%3D222007%26algo%3DSIC.MBE%26ao%3D1%26asc%3D20150313114020%26meid%3Dcd64ef245d4d4393b3742bc4bd14b0cc%26pid%3D100338%26rk%3D3%26rkt%3D8%26sd%3D272121654679 (http://www.ebay.com/itm/Promise-Tech-Ultra100-IDE-Hard-Drive-PCI-Controller-Card/262287757452?_trksid=p2141725.c100338.m3726&_trkparms=aid%3D222007%26algo%3DSIC.MBE%26ao%3D1%26asc%3D20150313114020%26meid%3Dcd64ef245d4d4393b3742bc4bd14b0cc%26pid%3D100338%26rk%3D3%26rkt%3D8%26sd%3D272121654679) that I would love to have available for some various drives, but the OS can't seem to find it/them.
Any ideas?
I am setting up an older box to utilize some older gear with Mint 17.3 and I have one of these (trimmed) that I would love to have available for some various drives, but the OS can't seem to find it/them.
Any ideas?
Does lshw reveal anything interesting? Some legacy hardware support has been deprecated as of late, even in modularized distribution kernels.
I'd like to clear up some confusion I notice. Some people seem to think that Ubuntu has a specific graphical user interface and Linux Mint has another specific graphical interface.
But technically, you could get Unity on Linux Mint and Cinnamon / Mate on Ubuntu.
The only difference between the two distros is what they have INSTALLED BY DEFAULT.
Since both even share the same package manager (apt), you could easily install another desktop environment / window manager on either of the distributions to whatever you like (KDE, Unity, LXME, Fluxbox, evilwm, i3, Mate, Unity, whatever!).
Absolutely true -- But for someone new, I would recommend they pick a distro where they're happy with as many of the defaults as possible. The more things you strike out on your own to change, the more difficult it will be to get support if necessary, and the more effort you'll have to put in to get your system how you want it. While it's certainly possible, it's not the most newbie-friendly way of doing things.
Find something you like out of the box, then start messing around from that base. You don't want to have a non-functioning computer, that's super frustrating.
Also, my Broadcom wireless card was a huge hassle when I was started out. I couldn't even get openSUSE to recognize and connect with my Broadcom card.
Find something you like out of the box, then start messing around from that base. You don't want to have a non-functioning computer, that's super frustrating.
Also, my Broadcom wireless card was a huge hassle when I was started out. I couldn't even get openSUSE to recognize and connect with my Broadcom card.
Internet connectivity was the one over-riding reason that I abandoned OpenSUSE even though there was a lot to like there and I really wanted to make it work.
Arch Linux is the only distro I can live with on desktop/laptop.
My file/backup server runs on debian.
Some legacy hardware support has been deprecated as of late, even in modularized distribution kernels.
Arch Linux is the only distro I can live with on desktop/laptop.
My file/backup server runs on debian.
Currently using arch, but god-damn, setting it up on a RAID zero array is basically impossible(been trying to get it to boot on my desktop) : L, having said that I have been running it on my laptop for the best part of a year and I love how quick it is! (admittly gnome doesnt help on that front), I am thinking for my desktop I am going to hopefully get nixos to install; because apparently it has pretty solid RAID support. I guess that shouldn't be suprising though considering it is quite popular for use on servers. That'll have to wait though as currently not in the same place as my desktop, until then arch will rule! :thumb:
Tried Mint in college for a few days, I like it but I feel like I'd never switch simply because so much more is supported for windows. Feel free to enlighten me though, I'd love to hear why I should switch to Linux.There isn't necessarily "more", it's just that you are used to your windows programs. The Android Play store has "more" than the Itunes store, but how much of the Play store is garbage? Do we need 90 fake fart sound apps, 80 of which are the same exact app?
Tried Mint in college for a few days, I like it but I feel like I'd never switch simply because so much more is supported for windows. Feel free to enlighten me though, I'd love to hear why I should switch to Linux.There isn't necessarily "more", it's just that you are used to your windows programs. The Android Play store has "more" than the Itunes store, but how much of the Play store is garbage? Do we need 90 fake fart sound apps, 80 of which are the same exact app?
On the surface, Windows has more than Mac and Linux and in some specific things it does, but think about it more deeply. For graphics it's Photoshop, for office it's MS Office. There's Corel, Krita, Gimp, Open Office, and more for Windows, but how many know they even exist? Same with Office. Ask most office workers what text editor they use and most will say Word. Even when they have options, they don't even know they exist. So is there really more? Or is 90% of that just perception. The fact that the programs you know are not on Linux doesn't equate to significantly less options, just not the options you're used to.
Unless you play the latest trendy games or need something specific for work, odds are you could get by on Linux every bit as good as Windows. I'm not saying you should, you like Windows, you're familiar with it and see no reason to change, which is fine, just don't mistake quantity for quality.
You typically don't download things from a web browser. Everything is done through the packages manager. There are numerous reasons why using a package manager is better than downloading and installing a program like you would on Windows. The biggest reason (for me) is that your programs will update while you update the rest of your system. I will assume though that the programs you were looking for were not available for Linux and it is more likely that the Linux alternatives are just as good as what you are using on Windows. Like Leslieann said if you're comfortable with Windows then that's perfectly fine but I'd encourage you to have fun trying different stuff out in Linux and expand your mind a little.Tried Mint in college for a few days, I like it but I feel like I'd never switch simply because so much more is supported for windows. Feel free to enlighten me though, I'd love to hear why I should switch to Linux.There isn't necessarily "more", it's just that you are used to your windows programs. The Android Play store has "more" than the Itunes store, but how much of the Play store is garbage? Do we need 90 fake fart sound apps, 80 of which are the same exact app?
On the surface, Windows has more than Mac and Linux and in some specific things it does, but think about it more deeply. For graphics it's Photoshop, for office it's MS Office. There's Corel, Krita, Gimp, Open Office, and more for Windows, but how many know they even exist? Same with Office. Ask most office workers what text editor they use and most will say Word. Even when they have options, they don't even know they exist. So is there really more? Or is 90% of that just perception. The fact that the programs you know are not on Linux doesn't equate to significantly less options, just not the options you're used to.
Unless you play the latest trendy games or need something specific for work, odds are you could get by on Linux every bit as good as Windows. I'm not saying you should, you like Windows, you're familiar with it and see no reason to change, which is fine, just don't mistake quantity for quality.
I meant that for things that I download I rarely see a 'Download for Linux' section - it sounds like I was horribly wrong though, didn't mean to sound offence whatsoever, just that on the surface to me W10 looks better.
Or just use a different unix entirely :))
Or just use a different unix entirely :))
YUP
Or just use a different unix entirely :))
YUP
I think I can hear RMS shouting from here! GNU(/Linux) is Not UNIX. :) But I do love me some OpenBSD and FreeBSD.
Other unices suck.
It sounds funny (kinda like Schiit), but those guys are on crack.Other unices suck.
Install suckless tools and they'll suckless.
Other unices suck.
Well I am interested in trying BSD's at some point(especially since I have very high hopes for Lumina)
My ext4 partition (which contained everything) on my laptop just straight up corrupted while I was using it. I honestly never though that would happen to me. I lost a lot of stuff but I don't think I lost anything critical. Currently reinstalling Arch at 3:30 AM so I have a laptop for class tomorrow! :S
Well I am interested in trying BSD's at some point(especially since I have very high hopes for Lumina)
I used to use FreeBSD a lot, even had a few servers at home and work running it. But Java support became more important, and we had some problems with the hardware running FreeBSD at work, and I retired the FreeBSD servers at home, and gradually moved over to Linux.
Well I am interested in trying BSD's at some point(especially since I have very high hopes for Lumina)
I used to use FreeBSD a lot, even had a few servers at home and work running it. But Java support became more important, and we had some problems with the hardware running FreeBSD at work, and I retired the FreeBSD servers at home, and gradually moved over to Linux.
If I can take a guess as to what the reason was for java support becoming important, Was it because of Jenkins? :p
My ext4 partition (which contained everything) on my laptop just straight up corrupted while I was using it. I honestly never though that would happen to me. I lost a lot of stuff but I don't think I lost anything critical. Currently reinstalling Arch at 3:30 AM so I have a laptop for class tomorrow! :S
storage always fails, it's just a matter of when not if.
if ext4 can degrade overtime, I wonder how much worse btrfs is about it. :eek:
if ext4 can degrade overtime, I wonder how much worse btrfs is about it. :eek:
It's actually supposedly much better thank ext4, rivaling ZFS. Except for a few flaws such as not being able to accurately tell how big files are on the disk. You know, the little stuff.
if ext4 can degrade overtime, I wonder how much worse btrfs is about it. :eek:
It's actually supposedly much better thank ext4, rivaling ZFS. Except for a few flaws such as not being able to accurately tell how big files are on the disk. You know, the little stuff.
I keep reading it as "betterFS", although it's supposed to be "butterFS", right?
if ext4 can degrade overtime, I wonder how much worse btrfs is about it. :eek:
It's actually supposedly much better thank ext4, rivaling ZFS. Except for a few flaws such as not being able to accurately tell how big files are on the disk. You know, small inconveniences like that.
Void is void of documentation. Also, the default menu for Openbox has exactly ONE program that comes with the system, and that's Firefox. Yup, can't even open a terminal without editing the menu file outside of OB and then coming back. This clearly shows that they don't care at all about *box workflow. Probably too busy wth tiling, cause that's what all cool kids do. Also, not sure if it's just a live boot issue, but xbps always reported Lumina needing exactly 7MB more than I had free.
Devuan is behind schedule. It'll probably be a strong contender for best distro around(not just systemd-less) once it's done, but right now there aren't even security updates.devuan has been behind schedule since they started. their mailing list is a room full of monkeys throwing **** at each other.
So it seems like all I have left is waiting for Devuan, installing something advanced like CRUX/Slax/Gentoo, or going BSD. Although I haven't tried Antix, Puppy and possibly LXDE-based PCLOS.
Any remarks or suggestions?
openbsd is great except for the awful web browser performance. everything is really well documented in openbsd via man pages :)
SlackwareIs the way to go.
Bit of a noob question here:
Is pretty much all the software for Ubuntu also available for its derivatives? For example, Xubuntu, or even more specifically, ChaletOS (which is based off Xubuntu).
I much prefer the ChaletOS layout at the moment but want to make sure that I'm not limiting myself with it. I'm also looking at using Lubuntu on an older laptop since it's said to be more lightweight... but again, I don't want to be affected in terms of software availability.
Thanks!
Bit of a noob question here:
Is pretty much all the software for Ubuntu also available for its derivatives? For example, Xubuntu, or even more specifically, ChaletOS (which is based off Xubuntu).
I much prefer the ChaletOS layout at the moment but want to make sure that I'm not limiting myself with it. I'm also looking at using Lubuntu on an older laptop since it's said to be more lightweight... but again, I don't want to be affected in terms of software availability.
Thanks!
Had to stop using linux :'( becuase I love my vidya games to much. Been playing around with cygwin though. Never really realized how powerful it was. It's (almost) like I never left linux.
I know there are ways (I've pretty much used them all at some point or another), but I got tired of fixing problems with them. And I guess I should have stated I still use linux on some of my pc's, just not my main rigs or main laptop.Had to stop using linux :'( becuase I love my vidya games to much. Been playing around with cygwin though. Never really realized how powerful it was. It's (almost) like I never left linux.
How dedicated were you to using Linux? There are definitely ways to run any and all Windows games within Linux if you have the hardware required.
Edit: My post kinda sounds disdainful, which is not my intention.
Had to stop using linux :'( becuase I love my vidya games to much. Been playing around with cygwin though. Never really realized how powerful it was. It's (almost) like I never left linux.
How dedicated were you to using Linux? There are definitely ways to run any and all Windows games within Linux if you have the hardware required.
Edit: My post kinda sounds disdainful, which is not my intention.
Is this true? I did everything I could to emulate an mmorpg. I lost 10 fps on average when I compared my emulated copy to my non-emulated copy. At the time 10 fps seemed like a lot, I suppose 10 fps is negligible for those that can max out graphics settings for newer titles. (http://i.imgur.com/6fdCfTx.gif) (I used Wine/PlayOnLinux for emulation)Had to stop using linux :'( becuase I love my vidya games to much. Been playing around with cygwin though. Never really realized how powerful it was. It's (almost) like I never left linux.
How dedicated were you to using Linux? There are definitely ways to run any and all Windows games within Linux if you have the hardware required.
Edit: My post kinda sounds disdainful, which is not my intention.
Had to stop using linux :'( becuase I love my vidya games to much. Been playing around with cygwin though. Never really realized how powerful it was. It's (almost) like I never left linux.
How dedicated were you to using Linux? There are definitely ways to run any and all Windows games within Linux if you have the hardware required.
Edit: My post kinda sounds disdainful, which is not my intention.
Most of the people I know that need winders for gaming end up using KVM virtual machines and PCIE passthrough. I don't really care about gaming, but I hear it performs on par with booting to winders.
Is this true? I did everything I could to emulate an mmorpg. I lost 10 fps on average when I compared my emulated copy to my non-emulated copy. At the time 10 fps seemed like a lot, I suppose 10 fps is negligible for those that can max out graphics settings for newer titles.Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/6fdCfTx.gif)(I used Wine for emulation)
I'm still fairly unfamiliar with the real workings of Linux. Linux is to me what Windows is for the average Windows user, for the most part I'd say. I know how to get around, do updates, and install stuff... but there's so very much I still don't really know or am not comfortable with.
I am trying to get better but I find that so much of the discussion and information I find is immediately over my head.
Ex: I want to make 1080p a resolution and use it at startup.
Answer given: "Since Kernel 3.2.14523.34.23 subset 5 of the flux capacitor means you need to write a shell script to call new packages that utilize the tar files..." :eek:
I embellish slightly but that's often how it looks to me. :-X
Thanks Vibex and deduction. I'll stick with ChaletOS until I encounter a problem.
I'm still fairly unfamiliar with the real workings of Linux. Linux is to me what Windows is for the average Windows user, for the most part I'd say. I know how to get around, do updates, and install stuff... but there's so very much I still don't really know or am not comfortable with.
I am trying to get better but I find that so much of the discussion and information I find is immediately over my head.
Ex: I want to make 1080p a resolution and use it at startup.
Answer given: "Since Kernel 3.2.14523.34.23 subset 5 of the flux capacitor means you need to write a shell script to call new packages that utilize the tar files..." :eek:
I embellish slightly but that's often how it looks to me. :-X
Ah I see, they might as well call it Windows Emulator like it was called initially. Perhaps I should find better alternatives in the futureHad to stop using linux :'( becuase I love my vidya games to much. Been playing around with cygwin though. Never really realized how powerful it was. It's (almost) like I never left linux.
How dedicated were you to using Linux? There are definitely ways to run any and all Windows games within Linux if you have the hardware required.
Edit: My post kinda sounds disdainful, which is not my intention.
Most of the people I know that need winders for gaming end up using KVM virtual machines and PCIE passthrough. I don't really care about gaming, but I hear it performs on par with booting to winders.
Yeah, that was what I was getting at. I'm using KVM-QEMU with vga passthrough to play mostly Halo: Online and to do schoolwork (Microsoft Visio and SQL Server). I think boot and load times could be on par with a bare metal solution but since I'm using virt.io loading times are slower.
Also I should mention there have been some big strides in getting 3D acceleration to Qemu without vga passthrough. Maybe in the near future we'll be able to run virtual machines for gaming without the need for a dedicated graphics card.Is this true? I did everything I could to emulate an mmorpg. I lost 10 fps on average when I compared my emulated copy to my non-emulated copy. At the time 10 fps seemed like a lot, I suppose 10 fps is negligible for those that can max out graphics settings for newer titles.Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/6fdCfTx.gif)(I used Wine for emulation)
WINE: Wine Is Not an Emulator. Windows libraries are translated so that Windows programs can be run natively in Linux. I'm not surprised by the performance drop either. I remember playing Skyrim a few years ago under Wine and there was about a 50% performance hit.
Thanks Vibex and deduction. I'll stick with ChaletOS until I encounter a problem.
I'm still fairly unfamiliar with the real workings of Linux. Linux is to me what Windows is for the average Windows user, for the most part I'd say. I know how to get around, do updates, and install stuff... but there's so very much I still don't really know or am not comfortable with.
I am trying to get better but I find that so much of the discussion and information I find is immediately over my head.
Ex: I want to make 1080p a resolution and use it at startup.
Answer given: "Since Kernel 3.2.14523.34.23 subset 5 of the flux capacitor means you need to write a shell script to call new packages that utilize the tar files..." :eek:
I embellish slightly but that's often how it looks to me. :-X
going back to the Systemd discussion, I think you'll want to avoid FreeBSD at some point since it seems like it wants to create an init that imitates systemd (http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=MTg0ODE).
Although as much as I despise systemd, I guess in some ways you can't get away from it. That or I just don't care anymore, one of the two.
Thanks Vibex and deduction. I'll stick with ChaletOS until I encounter a problem.
Ex: I want to make 1080p a resolution and use it at startup.
Answer given: "Since Kernel 3.2.14523.34.23 subset 5 of the flux capacitor means you need to write a shell script to call new packages that utilize the tar files..." :eek:
I embellish slightly but that's often how it looks to me. :-X
https://notehub.org/klz3i
Sad but true, not even sure if I should've posted it here, but I thought it was relevant enough.
https://notehub.org/klz3i
Sad but true, not even sure if I should've posted it here, but I thought it was relevant enough.
This article is confusing to say the least. First the author complains about Steam not working quite right on an obscure Window Manager, Fluxbox.
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an obscure Window Manager, Fluxbox.uwotm8
Linux isn't PCMR because we're not limited to PC'sBut they quit, one by one, because the jerking was too strong, even after a bunch of anti-Linux threads on PCMR. Although the author of the aforementioned quote was bullied out of reddit entirely after pointing out in a linux_gaming thread about VM pass-throughs that virtualisation of Windows isn't Linux gaming, and in fact hurts Linux gaming because it fuels the "they'll play it on Windows anyway" argument against it. Both subreddits' users are mostly the aforementioned "Windows users currently not on Windows"/"secondaries".
Debian user since 1998, developer since 2000 (with a minor hiatus in 2010). But nowadays, I live in Emacs, and Debian is a glorified bootloader for the One True Operating System.I'm so sad that your OS lacks a decent editor.
Debian user since 1998, developer since 2000 (with a minor hiatus in 2010). But nowadays, I live in Emacs, and Debian is a glorified bootloader for the One True Operating System.I'm so sad that your OS lacks a decent editor.
Debian user since 1998, developer since 2000 (with a minor hiatus in 2010). But nowadays, I live in Emacs, and Debian is a glorified bootloader for the One True Operating System.I'm so sad that your OS lacks a decent editor.
Shouldn't be as #Vimmasterrace
:))
OpenBSD Users also welcome here? (not on my primary notebook thought)
Debian user since 1998, developer since 2000 (with a minor hiatus in 2010). But nowadays, I live in Emacs, and Debian is a glorified bootloader for the One True Operating System.I'm so sad that your OS lacks a decent editor.
Shouldn't be as #Vimmasterrace
:))
The best editor is neither Vim nor Emacs. It is Vim AND Emacs. All hail the Spacemacs (http://spacemacs.org/)! (Also serves as a great, portable OS you can boot with Windows, MacOS, Linuxen and the various BSDs!)
i was just joking :D sometimes you just get weird looks from other linux users because all your software is so old (and secure and stable!) and much is missing.OpenBSD Users also welcome here? (not on my primary notebook thought)
Why not? :)
I haven't tried OpenBSD, but I had a bunch of servers running FreeBSD a few years back, and a few running NetBSD too.
i was just joking :D sometimes you just get weird looks from other linux users because all your software is so old (and secure and stable!) and much is missing.OpenBSD Users also welcome here? (not on my primary notebook thought)
Why not? :)
I haven't tried OpenBSD, but I had a bunch of servers running FreeBSD a few years back, and a few running NetBSD too.
i was just joking :D sometimes you just get weird looks from other linux users because all your software is so old (and secure and stable!) and much is missing.OpenBSD Users also welcome here? (not on my primary notebook thought)
Why not? :)
I haven't tried OpenBSD, but I had a bunch of servers running FreeBSD a few years back, and a few running NetBSD too.
That's why I switched back to Linux, plus Linux seems to support more hardware.
Suckless seems like an even lazier version of slack.. How does that work? :-[ Will it seek and destroy my computer?Its not a linux distribution, its just software. For example dwm, a window manager, or surf a browser etc. the goal of suckless is to build quality software with a clean and simple approach, see here: http://suckless.org/philosophy
I tuned out when I read the word Manifest. I'm sorry, too many retail overnights spent unloading trucks. I'm still wondering what this software has to offer that the most basic of Ubuntu can't offer. I've installed Chromium on Ubuntu, web browser, check. Window manager? Visually I prefer Gnome, but for lightness I prefer XFCE. Very basic stuff.Suckless seems like an even lazier version of slack.. How does that work? :-[ Will it seek and destroy my computer?Its not a linux distribution, its just software. For example dwm, a window manager, or surf a browser etc. the goal of suckless is to build quality software with a clean and simple approach, see here: http://suckless.org/philosophy
I tuned out when I read the word Manifest. I'm sorry, too many retail overnights spent unloading trucks. I'm still wondering what this software has to offer that the most basic of Ubuntu can't offer. I've installed Chromium on Ubuntu, web browser, check. Window manager? Visually I prefer Gnome, but for lightness I prefer XFCE. Very basic stuff.Suckless seems like an even lazier version of slack.. How does that work? :-[ Will it seek and destroy my computer?Its not a linux distribution, its just software. For example dwm, a window manager, or surf a browser etc. the goal of suckless is to build quality software with a clean and simple approach, see here: http://suckless.org/philosophy
I tuned out when I read the word Manifest. I'm sorry, too many retail overnights spent unloading trucks. I'm still wondering what this software has to offer that the most basic of Ubuntu can't offer. I've installed Chromium on Ubuntu, web browser, check. Window manager? Visually I prefer Gnome, but for lightness I prefer XFCE. Very basic stuff.Suckless seems like an even lazier version of slack.. How does that work? :-[ Will it seek and destroy my computer?Its not a linux distribution, its just software. For example dwm, a window manager, or surf a browser etc. the goal of suckless is to build quality software with a clean and simple approach, see here: http://suckless.org/philosophy
Well, at the end its all personal preference. I don't use suckless's window manager or browser because i like awesomewm more and the browser is afaik just a window which renders webkit which is also to less for me. But as a software developer whos coding overthinked business apps all day i like the idea of having small applications which only do one thing and this thing they do good and secure and stable.
Because dwm is customized through editing its source code, it’s pointless to make binary packages of it. This keeps its userbase small and elitist. No novices asking stupid questions. There are some distributions that provide binary packages though.
The point of suckless is to circlejerk. There's nothing beyond it.
Take, for example, dwm:Quote from: http://dwm.suckless.org/Because dwm is customized through editing its source code, it’s pointless to make binary packages of it. This keeps its userbase small and elitist. No novices asking stupid questions. There are some distributions that provide binary packages though.
The point of suckless is to circlejerk. There's nothing beyond it.
Take, for example, dwm:Quote from: http://dwm.suckless.org/Because dwm is customized through editing its source code, it’s pointless to make binary packages of it. This keeps its userbase small and elitist. No novices asking stupid questions. There are some distributions that provide binary packages though.
Desktop: Windows 10
Personal servers: Debian (always)
Work: Windows 10, El Capitan, Redhat (nothing non-Redhat allowed)
Desktop: Windows 10
Personal servers: Debian (always)
Work: Windows 10, El Capitan, Redhat (nothing non-Redhat allowed)
What's running on your server if I may ask? :)
The point of suckless is to circlejerk. There's nothing beyond it.
Take, for example, dwm:Quote from: http://dwm.suckless.org/Because dwm is customized through editing its source code, it’s pointless to make binary packages of it. This keeps its userbase small and elitist. No novices asking stupid questions. There are some distributions that provide binary packages though.
for once i agree with you
Also, does Chrome OS count as a Linux distro? I bought a Chromebook and I'm happy with it for the basic stuff. Just can't do much multitasking because of the only 4GB of RAM and the RAM-hog Chrome browser. Although if I use Crouton to install Ubuntu or Debian, there is less stress on the RAM.
Desktop: Windows 10
Personal servers: Debian (always)
Work: Windows 10, El Capitan, Redhat (nothing non-Redhat allowed)
What's running on your server if I may ask? :)
Home server is just Plex, Samba, SSH, mostly a media server and homelab. It's old junk hardware though, so I shut it off when I'm not using it to save on the power bill until the eventual i5 upgrade. Then I'm going to get some home automation, maybe some coding and such going on.
Also I have a bottom barrel DigitalOcean droplet soon to be a website for some friends and my small YouTube channel, and some team software like password managers.
Also, does Chrome OS count as a Linux distro? I bought a Chromebook and I'm happy with it for the basic stuff. Just can't do much multitasking because of the only 4GB of RAM and the RAM-hog Chrome browser. Although if I use Crouton to install Ubuntu or Debian, there is less stress on the RAM.
Absolutely put another OS on it and give it functionality!!!Desktop: Windows 10
Personal servers: Debian (always)
Work: Windows 10, El Capitan, Redhat (nothing non-Redhat allowed)
What's running on your server if I may ask? :)
Home server is just Plex, Samba, SSH, mostly a media server and homelab. It's old junk hardware though, so I shut it off when I'm not using it to save on the power bill until the eventual i5 upgrade. Then I'm going to get some home automation, maybe some coding and such going on.
Also I have a bottom barrel DigitalOcean droplet soon to be a website for some friends and my small YouTube channel, and some team software like password managers.
My Debian server doesn't do a whole lot right now. I used to run a Halo CE server vm, Folding@Home vm, and Minecraft server vm for my sister, but nowadays it only runs the Minecraft server without a vm. While it has an 8 core FX processor and dedicated graphics the power draw is only 100w according to the UPS. I have a FreeNAS box for all of my media server needs which is hassle free.
Also, does Chrome OS count as a Linux distro? I bought a Chromebook and I'm happy with it for the basic stuff. Just can't do much multitasking because of the only 4GB of RAM and the RAM-hog Chrome browser. Although if I use Crouton to install Ubuntu or Debian, there is less stress on the RAM.
Absolutely put another OS on it and give it functionality!!!
Debian user since 1998, developer since 2000 (with a minor hiatus in 2010). But nowadays, I live in Emacs, and Debian is a glorified bootloader for the One True Operating System.I'm so sad that your OS lacks a decent editor.
Shouldn't be as #Vimmasterrace
:))
The best editor is neither Vim nor Emacs. It is Vim AND Emacs. All hail the Spacemacs (http://spacemacs.org/)! (Also serves as a great, portable OS you can boot with Windows, MacOS, Linuxen and the various BSDs!)
Other unices suck.
computers suck universally
Not trying to troll here, but this weekend I put stock Ubuntu on my Chromebook using Crouton. I'm actually finding Unity to not be that awful, as long as you become familiar with the keyboard shortcuts and don't mind the lack of customization options. Could be worse.
On the other hand, if this is the desktop environment that Ubuntu developers hope to appeal the masses, you shouldn't make the typical computer user have to memorize a bunch of shortcuts in order to make the desktop work efficiently. Just make it easy for point and click, please.
On another note, this Gallium OS (https://galliumos.org) seems like another appealing Chrome OS alternative. Might give it a try.
Unity is awful. KDE is a mess. Don't get me started on compiz and beryl. Maybe I'm just a cremudgen but nothing will ever look as good as fluxbox with a diagonal gradient. All the flashy crap and bells and whistles in newer WMs reminds me of this:Not trying to troll here, but this weekend I put stock Ubuntu on my Chromebook using Crouton. I'm actually finding Unity to not be that awful, as long as you become familiar with the keyboard shortcuts and don't mind the lack of customization options. Could be worse.
On the other hand, if this is the desktop environment that Ubuntu developers hope to appeal the masses, you shouldn't make the typical computer user have to memorize a bunch of shortcuts in order to make the desktop work efficiently. Just make it easy for point and click, please.
On another note, this Gallium OS (https://galliumos.org) seems like another appealing Chrome OS alternative. Might give it a try.
Honestly, don't you find unity immensely disgustingly distastefully ugly? I mean, there was a time when there was hope for the linux desktop, before the default KDE 4 theme (IMHO) turned out to be ugly. When we had compiz and when we finally had almost-smooth animations like OSX. And then Unity happened. Eye-candy wise, it felt like a great step backwards. Also, that default font. What's up with that?
Not trying to troll here, but this weekend I put stock Ubuntu on my Chromebook using Crouton. I'm actually finding Unity to not be that awful, as long as you become familiar with the keyboard shortcuts and don't mind the lack of customization options. Could be worse.
On the other hand, if this is the desktop environment that Ubuntu developers hope to appeal the masses, you shouldn't make the typical computer user have to memorize a bunch of shortcuts in order to make the desktop work efficiently. Just make it easy for point and click, please.
On another note, this Gallium OS (https://galliumos.org) seems like another appealing Chrome OS alternative. Might give it a try.
Honestly, don't you find unity immensely disgustingly distastefully ugly? I mean, there was a time when there was hope for the linux desktop, before the default KDE 4 theme (IMHO) turned out to be ugly. When we had compiz and when we finally had almost-smooth animations like OSX. And then Unity happened. Eye-candy wise, it felt like a great step backwards. Also, that default font. What's up with that?
Maybe I'm just a cremudgenYou sure are.
All the flashy crap and bells and whistles in newer WMsSome newer WMs are tiling, they are free of flashy things.
People still talk about things being "intuitive" but now, 3+ decades into "the computer age" it seems that "intuitive" would be better described as whatever you (personally) are accustomed to.
If Ubuntu wants to lure Windows users, they might have tried to mimic Windows' "look and feel" but Microsoft has made that a moving target with drastic changes every other time, at least.
Going for an Apple-esque appearance is a waste of time, Apple is a religion and they are accustomed to paying a top-dollar tithe, so "free" means little to them.
extremely annoying with Windows, is how they obfuscate and change control panel more and more with every Windows release
extremely annoying with Windows, is how they obfuscate and change control panel more and more with every Windows release
Absolutely. Just like "the ribbon" did away with the "Format" and "View" tabs and scattered their functions all over the place.
I have spent the last couple of days setting up a new laptop with Win10 for my boss, who is wildly anti-tech and cannot stand even the slightest change in anything.
This was my first real serious encounter with 10 and it was unbelievably disorienting, far worse than ever before. I am feeling the urge and need to move my own primary desktop to 10 in the coming weeks (I have been saying that for months) as my several-years-old 7 install keeps getting slower and kludgier, but this did not encourage me.
I never did find the Control Panel. I even asked my teenage son, who has been using 8.1 for nearly a year, and he couldn't find it either. Eventually I installed a 3rd-party piece that cobbles on a 7-esque desktop and that will suffice for the immediate present.
All the flashy crap and bells and whistles in newer WMsSome newer WMs are tiling, they are free of flashy things.
extremely annoying with Windows, is how they obfuscate and change control panel more and more with every Windows release
I never did find the Control Panel. I even asked my teenage son, who has been using 8.1 for nearly a year, and he couldn't find it either. Eventually I installed a 3rd-party piece that cobbles on a 7-esque desktop and that will suffice for the immediate present.
I dread the day ms decides to remove it completely and force people to use the new "settings" panel.
People still talk about things being "intuitive" but now, 3+ decades into "the computer age" it seems that "intuitive" would be better described as whatever you (personally) are accustomed to.
If Ubuntu wants to lure Windows users, they might have tried to mimic Windows' "look and feel" but Microsoft has made that a moving target with drastic changes every other time, at least.
Going for an Apple-esque appearance is a waste of time, Apple is a religion and they are accustomed to paying a top-dollar tithe, so "free" means little to them.
I gave up trying to find everything through the new settings hierarchy. I remember most of the settings I need by name so I tap that windows key and search for it :-[
I dread the day ms decides to remove it completely and force people to use the new "settings" panel.
I found the settings panel but it did not include whatever it was that I needed to do (such as find the control panel).
All the usual headings such as "Appearance" and "User Accounts" seem to have been stripped of 80% of their contents.
KDE has been bad for a long time. It's the worst part of Slackware (by default). Plasma is pretty cool looking when it's not "bugging" out on you.
I don't have a problem with Gnome or Gnome "fallback" in Debian.
KDE has been bad for a long time. It's the worst part of Slackware (by default). Plasma is pretty cool looking when it's not "bugging" out on you.
I don't have a problem with Gnome or Gnome "fallback" in Debian.
https://www.trinitydesktop.org/
The thing is, I think both GTK AND QT are horrible widget sets. GTK is a nightmare to develop for and QT is just ugly when it is rendered IMHO.I would be interested in hearing what widget sets you think are better.
The thing is, I think both GTK AND QT are horrible widget sets. GTK is a nightmare to develop for and QT is just ugly when it is rendered IMHO.
Most of us would be perfectly fine with a Chrome OS type of system with a tad more software choices, rather than jacking around with Windows or paying out-the-ass for a Mac. The main impediment to this scenario is our familiarity with what we've used all our lives, and lack of willingness to just take a week or two to adjust to a slightly different user interface. But whatever, we're human.
Most of us would be perfectly fine with a Chrome OS type of system with a tad more software choices, rather than jacking around with Windows or paying out-the-ass for a Mac. The main impediment to this scenario is our familiarity with what we've used all our lives, and lack of willingness to just take a week or two to adjust to a slightly different user interface. But whatever, we're human.
That is how I work: I live in a full-screen emacs. That is my IDE, my shell, my email client, my slack client, my browser (with a bit of WebKit help), my spreadsheet, my word processor, my music player, and so on. The odd other program I may need gets their own workspace, and runs at full screen. Things get out of the way. I have no menu bars, no taskbar, no nothing. Windows with no decorations, borders or buttons.
Incredibly productive system :)
Please stop discussing ****ing Windows in the thread about Linux.Relax pls, I was explaining why I think people will migrate to Linux.. in a Linux thread. I will stick to the topic from now on :-[
Please stop discussing ****ing Windows in the thread about Linux.Relax pls, I was explaining why I think people will migrate to Linux.. in a Linux thread. I will stick to the topic from now on :-[
Papyrus looks like it is heavily inspired by Chrome OS, which brings me to my next point. Using Chrome OS and some other distros with minimal, modern interfaces (GalliumOS, Cub Linux, Solus) has modified what I think works best as a UI. Chrome OS provides you with the basics, then gets out of the way and let's you work, as opposed to being clunky and obtrusive and too robust. It mostly works (so far) with minimal hangups, notifications, updates, and bloat. It looks pretty smooth and slick, too.
Obviously, Chrome OS has shortcomings and limitations, which leads me to try out other Linux distros/DEs with similar interfaces but more customization that can function as a full Linux operating system. I know my eventual Linux resting place is a tiling windows manager, but I have to finally settle upon a distro before I get there.
When I step back and think about, what do you actually need in a basic home desktop setup that works for most of us? You want it to work well, be familiar, and easy to use, but at least offer some customizations for the more discerning user. You want easy access to your apps, files, settings/utilities, open windows, and additional software. And you want all your media to frickin work out of the box. That's pretty much it.
Most of us would be perfectly fine with a Chrome OS type of system with a tad more software choices, rather than jacking around with Windows or paying out-the-ass for a Mac. The main impediment to this scenario is our familiarity with what we've used all our lives, and lack of willingness to just take a week or two to adjust to a slightly different user interface. But whatever, we're human.
The problem that I have with Chrome OS is that Google controls it, the company that makes ~96% of their revenue from advertisements and is in the business of selling your personal information. Most of the data with Chrome OS is stored in the cloud which is not only insecure, but gives Google both control and rights over all of your data. I think I'll stick with my trusty Linux distro. ;)
Please stop discussing ****ing Windows in the thread about Linux.Relax pls, I was explaining why I think people will migrate to Linux.. in a Linux thread. I will stick to the topic from now on :-[Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/PzbXr45.gifv)
So what distro do you use, csmertx? ;)
The problem that I have with Chrome OS is that Google controls it, the company that makes ~96% of their revenue from advertisements and is in the business of selling your personal information. Most of the data with Chrome OS is stored in the cloud which is not only insecure, but gives Google both control and rights over all of your data. I think I'll stick with my trusty Linux distro. ;)
How do you do spreadsheets in emacs? Please tell me. I've been trying to get rid of excel for at least 2 years.
Does anybody here still use gentoo? Is manual compiling still hawt here?Yes.
Does anybody here still use gentoo? Is manual compiling still hawt here?Yes.
That sounds much better than tweaking a pre-built distro. I would often spend more than 24 hrs dealing with various compatibility problems or downloading packages that other packages need :(Does anybody here still use gentoo? Is manual compiling still hawt here?Yes.
How long does it take these days to compile a whole system including the desktop? Back in the day when I had an Athlon XP it took me like 7-8 hours to get everything compiled and up and running.
That sounds much better than tweaking a pre-built distro. I would often spend more than 24 hrs dealing with various compatibility problems or downloading packages that other packages need :(Does anybody here still use gentoo? Is manual compiling still hawt here?Yes.
How long does it take these days to compile a whole system including the desktop? Back in the day when I had an Athlon XP it took me like 7-8 hours to get everything compiled and up and running.
The first thing my colleague did upon moving to the UK was compiling a Gentoo system the way he likes. Took him three days, one of which was solely spent on compiling Firefox.Does anybody here still use gentoo? Is manual compiling still hawt here?Yes.
How long does it take these days to compile a whole system including the desktop? Back in the day when I had an Athlon XP it took me like 7-8 hours to get everything compiled and up and running.
The first thing my colleague did upon moving to the UK was compiling a Gentoo system the way he likes. Took him three days, one of which was solely spent on compiling Firefox.Does anybody here still use gentoo? Is manual compiling still hawt here?Yes.
How long does it take these days to compile a whole system including the desktop? Back in the day when I had an Athlon XP it took me like 7-8 hours to get everything compiled and up and running.
It's not 2000 any more.
It shouldn't take an entire day to compile Firefox, that's three to four times longer than average (or more). The same applies to Gentoo.The first thing my colleague did upon moving to the UK was compiling a Gentoo system the way he likes. Took him three days, one of which was solely spent on compiling Firefox.Does anybody here still use gentoo? Is manual compiling still hawt here?Yes.
How long does it take these days to compile a whole system including the desktop? Back in the day when I had an Athlon XP it took me like 7-8 hours to get everything compiled and up and running.
Different distros apply different patches; some are supposedly excellent, others not so much. Personally, I don't care.It's not 2000 any more.
No it's an honest question: is font rendering good nowadays? Is subpixel hinting proper now? Since 2006, I've only done terminal linux. The rest has been Mac up until now.
Different distros apply different patches; some are supposedly excellent, others not so much. Personally, I don't care.It's not 2000 any more.
No it's an honest question: is font rendering good nowadays? Is subpixel hinting proper now? Since 2006, I've only done terminal linux. The rest has been Mac up until now.
That depends on the build parameters though.It shouldn't take an entire day to compile Firefox, that's three to four times longer than average (or more). The same applies to Gentoo.The first thing my colleague did upon moving to the UK was compiling a Gentoo system the way he likes. Took him three days, one of which was solely spent on compiling Firefox.Does anybody here still use gentoo? Is manual compiling still hawt here?Yes.
How long does it take these days to compile a whole system including the desktop? Back in the day when I had an Athlon XP it took me like 7-8 hours to get everything compiled and up and running.
Gentoo makes me think about manual kernel config.. Is it still worth it these days to manual configure a kernel?No, not at all. I didn't do it on my Macbook.
Does anybody here still use gentoo? Is manual compiling still hawt here?
Does anybody here still use gentoo? Is manual compiling still hawt here?
are these separate, unrelated questions? emerge is not manual...
I use LPS or Lightweight Portable Security (http://distrowatch.com/table.php?distribution=lps) which has been my main desktop Linux OS.
It's a no BS OS that looks like Win 95/98 (call me old fashioned - I like that interface the best), runs entirely in RAM, and leaves no trace of activity. I use this on PC's without HD/DVD storage - or any kind of writable - storage.
If I need more than this I SSH out to SDF or some other Unix server.
I don't think of myself as a Geek or Hacker for using it; I just find the idea of RAM based Operating Systems extremely cool.
Windows Classic theme (mid to late 90s look). it's a minimal distraction environment. But I should stop discussing this matter in the Linux thread.
Then again, a part of me cannot resist a well functioning bit of eye candy.
I think that I need a Linux counselor. I settle on a distro and/or OS for awhile, but the urge to try more creeps in and I lose hours of my life jacking around with a different distro or trying to setup a windows manager. I have the feeling that I will never be satisfied until I've tried them all. I know that this is not an effective or efficient way of approaching this matter. I literally lose too much sleep and brainpower over generally trivial Linux-related matters. I'm at the point that I get nothing done except messing around with Linux.Don't worry, many people come through this stage.
Don't worry, many people come through this stage.Some never leave that stage.
I think that I need a Linux counselor. I settle on a distro and/or OS for awhile, but the urge to try more creeps in and I lose hours of my life jacking around with a different distro or trying to setup a windows manager. I have the feeling that I will never be satisfied until I've tried them all. I know that this is not an effective or efficient way of approaching this matter. I literally lose too much sleep and brainpower over generally trivial Linux-related matters. I'm at the point that I get nothing done except messing around with Linux.Don't worry, many people come through this stage.
Fedora user here. I always run the latest stable version, both for work and home user for the last few years. I moved over to Fedora full time during the Windows XP to Vista transition but well before Windows 7 was available.
I'm probably one of the few, but I really like Gnome 3, I've themed it a bit using a material-esque design theme and even do a fair amount of gaming on Linux (though I do have a PS4 for the occasion game I really want to play without Linux support).
Fedora user here. I always run the latest stable version, both for work and home user for the last few years. I moved over to Fedora full time during the Windows XP to Vista transition but well before Windows 7 was available.
I'm probably one of the few, but I really like Gnome 3, I've themed it a bit using a material-esque design theme and even do a fair amount of gaming on Linux (though I do have a PS4 for the occasion game I really want to play without Linux support).
I think tweak tools for Gnome and Unity can make the DEs way more usable. They may not have the full customization or productivity or low RAM of some options, but mostly usable. And they look pretty!
I'm steadily trying to learn Linux again, so I'm familiarizing myself with Ubuntu at the moment.
My goal is to get familiar enough with it that I can run debian on my server at home.
It's currently doing all kinds of stuff, but I'm saving up for a few things before I will have disposable cash to buy a machine more (would love to try a xeon build) so I can split up the tasks.
I would love to run Linux on my personal computer as well but I just like gaming too much to switch.
I am going to be so happy if there comes a day where Linux is as strong on the gaming front as Windows is today.
Currently it's running a small website I use for some personal stuff.I'm steadily trying to learn Linux again, so I'm familiarizing myself with Ubuntu at the moment.
My goal is to get familiar enough with it that I can run debian on my server at home.
It's currently doing all kinds of stuff, but I'm saving up for a few things before I will have disposable cash to buy a machine more (would love to try a xeon build) so I can split up the tasks.
I would love to run Linux on my personal computer as well but I just like gaming too much to switch.
I am going to be so happy if there comes a day where Linux is as strong on the gaming front as Windows is today.
I'm a relative Linux newb, jumping in during the last quarter of 2015, so I can speak to the adjustment period. For personal computing use, I had to become comfortable with using a package manager for software and command line for some tasks. I was used to clicking one button in one place for all install and update tasks. (Well, there is the Ubuntu Software, similar to the App Store, but I find that clunky to use). The other challenge was finding replacements for my usual applications and software. Also, figuring out where everything is in the OS, but they just takes some clicking around to figure that out. Plus, there are plenty of documentation and forums to help with a mainstream distro like Ubuntu.
And I guess it all depends on what you are trying to do with Linux to determine how long it takes for you to become familiar. For basic personal computing, I think it takes an open mind, a willingness to deal with some frustrating moments, and less than a month of tinkering around
And I guess it all depends on what you are trying to do with Linux to determine how long it takes for you to become familiar. For basic personal computing, I think it takes an open mind, a willingness to deal with some frustrating moments, and less than a month of tinkering around
Looks like I have settled on Ubuntu Mate for the time being. Simple, configurable, attractive, lowish RAM, and x-tile allows for some modest tiling. I am happy with it so far and will use it as my main operating system.
In the meantime, I am experimenting with tiling windows managers and am hoping to settle upon that I like. So far, bspwm probably is my favorite. I like the binary space partitioning tiling system, easy-to-use keyboard commands, and also flexibility to use the mouse for some tasks as well.
Looks like I have settled on Ubuntu Mate for the time being. Simple, configurable, attractive, lowish RAM, and x-tile allows for some modest tiling. I am happy with it so far and will use it as my main operating system.
In the meantime, I am experimenting with tiling windows managers and am hoping to settle upon that I like. So far, bspwm probably is my favorite. I like the binary space partitioning tiling system, easy-to-use keyboard commands, and also flexibility to use the mouse for some tasks as well.
Nice choice in a distro. Gnome 2 was my first desktop environment and there really is nothing else to compare it to.
Looks like I have settled on Ubuntu Mate for the time being. Simple, configurable, attractive, lowish RAM, and x-tile allows for some modest tiling. I am happy with it so far and will use it as my main operating system.
In the meantime, I am experimenting with tiling windows managers and am hoping to settle upon that I like. So far, bspwm probably is my favorite. I like the binary space partitioning tiling system, easy-to-use keyboard commands, and also flexibility to use the mouse for some tasks as well.
Nice choice in a distro. Gnome 2 was my first desktop environment and there really is nothing else to compare it to.
Desktop environments are overrated, IMO. All you really need is a good window manager.
Windows managers are overrated, IMO. All you really need is a good terminal with Links to access geekhack :pLooks like I have settled on Ubuntu Mate for the time being. Simple, configurable, attractive, lowish RAM, and x-tile allows for some modest tiling. I am happy with it so far and will use it as my main operating system.
In the meantime, I am experimenting with tiling windows managers and am hoping to settle upon that I like. So far, bspwm probably is my favorite. I like the binary space partitioning tiling system, easy-to-use keyboard commands, and also flexibility to use the mouse for some tasks as well.
Nice choice in a distro. Gnome 2 was my first desktop environment and there really is nothing else to compare it to.
Desktop environments are overrated, IMO. All you really need is a good window manager.
That completely ignores a large portion of modern DEs.Desktop environments are overrated, IMO. All you really need is a good window manager.I agree, I think the differences between desktop environments are not that substantial: appearance, RAM usage, the ability to tweak a few things here and there. Windows managers have a lot more productivity value, which is why I am most interested in those
Desktops environments certainly have their value for the Linux beginner or casual user, though. We can't all joining the tiling windows manager master race (which I hope to be a part of one day).
Windows managers are overrated, IMO. All you really need is a good terminal with Links to access geekhack :p
That completely ignores a large portion of modern DEs.Desktop environments are overrated, IMO. All you really need is a good window manager.I agree, I think the differences between desktop environments are not that substantial: appearance, RAM usage, the ability to tweak a few things here and there. Windows managers have a lot more productivity value, which is why I am most interested in those
Desktops environments certainly have their value for the Linux beginner or casual user, though. We can't all joining the tiling windows manager master race (which I hope to be a part of one day).
A window manager doesn't
- (un)mount storage devices and potentially even, e.g., turn off unmounted drives;
- provide complex screen management;
- index data;
- allow better integration of apps (see, e.g., KIO slaves);
- centralize shortcut configuration;
- …
Hehe I am actually trying this. I have a VPS that runs a website and I use it for other fun projects, like setting up a VPS and stuff. It's running debian server and all I have is command line.Windows managers are overrated, IMO. All you really need is a good terminal with Links to access geekhack :p
Command line, ftw! Anything more is superfluous!
Does anybody have anything nice to say about PC-BSD? (I know it's not Linux)Heathen! Heathen! Go away!
I'm steadily trying to learn Linux again, so I'm familiarizing myself with Ubuntu at the moment.
My goal is to get familiar enough with it that I can run debian on my server at home.
It's currently doing all kinds of stuff, but I'm saving up for a few things before I will have disposable cash to buy a machine more (would love to try a xeon build) so I can split up the tasks.
I would love to run Linux on my personal computer as well but I just like gaming too much to switch.
I am going to be so happy if there comes a day where Linux is as strong on the gaming front as Windows is today.
Only thing that was REALLY difficult for me to figure out is how to properly align sectors for large (4TB) harddrives.You don't have to understand it, just do it according to manual.
Does anybody have anything nice to say about PC-BSD? (I know it's not Linux)Heathen! Heathen! Go away!
I just used FreeBSD. Customised the way I want and being a pretty good desktop OS. Flash didn't work but I didn't care.
Debian is just as user friendly as Ubuntu, or Mint, without all of the bloatware.One could argue, that Ubuntu is de facto a slightly modified snapshot of Debian testing, with a bit tuned live images (although there are other live images based on Debian).
I could live with Arch, which at least isn't half a year (or more) behind upstream, but I'm not interested in configuring everything.
Ubuntu is great because as you said finding solutions to your problems is probably 100% easier than for some other distros.I'm steadily trying to learn Linux again, so I'm familiarizing myself with Ubuntu at the moment.
My goal is to get familiar enough with it that I can run debian on my server at home.
It's currently doing all kinds of stuff, but I'm saving up for a few things before I will have disposable cash to buy a machine more (would love to try a xeon build) so I can split up the tasks.
I would love to run Linux on my personal computer as well but I just like gaming too much to switch.
I am going to be so happy if there comes a day where Linux is as strong on the gaming front as Windows is today.
Couple of years ago I built a server again, running Ubuntu LTS on it. It was VERY smooth. My linux was rusty back then, but I thought like well just gonna try it and reinstall and try again if I fail. But it was really easy with ubuntu, especially with the forums where I could find everything. Only thing that was REALLY difficult for me to figure out is how to properly align sectors for large (4TB) harddrives. Still don't really understand it. I have mdadm with raid6, and AFS (believe with avahi daemon) so that my Macs think it's a legit file server. Works great.
I'm afraid, that it doesn't address my issue.I could live with Arch, which at least isn't half a year (or more) behind upstream, but I'm not interested in configuring everything.Try Manjaro, it gets you up and running Arch as quickly as Mint. It's not as fast as pure Arch, but still faster than Mint. You could also try Architect (sp?), which automates the install for you easily and quickly. It's very fast, but takes a bit longer to install, however, you don't have to be a Linux expert and you end up with pure Arch (or darn close).
You can just use ubuntu-server. ;DSure but then I'd have to make all my customizations and settings etc. Right now it's pretty much set up as I want it, but won't be needing the GUI in a couple weeks.
The hell is a 'faster distro'?Boot, shutdown, load times are faster, and yes, it is noticeable. It's actually quite impressive, but it's also lot of work.
I'm afraid, that it doesn't address my issue.Architech might, and it wouldn't surprise me if someone has a script to automate it. Arch users are quite creative.
Last time I checked, Arch (or Manjaro) packages didn't feature ready-to-go defaults with associated scripts, that would automate configuration. For example, if I install, say, a webserver in Debian/Ubuntu, it's up and running… which is not the case in Arch/Manjaro. The result might be bloated for some, but I prefer to avoid *any* extra work.
That hugely depends on the software and hardware setup on the machine. A 'fast' distro where more software is loaded on boot time is slower than a stripped 'slow' distro.The hell is a 'faster distro'?Boot, shutdown, load times are faster, and yes, it is noticeable.
That hugely depends on the software and hardware setup on the machine. A 'fast' distro where more software is loaded on boot time is slower than a stripped 'slow' distro.The hell is a 'faster distro'?Boot, shutdown, load times are faster, and yes, it is noticeable.
Also, who cares about boot times?
Also, who cares about boot times?
Way to focus on one aspect.That hugely depends on the software and hardware setup on the machine. A 'fast' distro where more software is loaded on boot time is slower than a stripped 'slow' distro.The hell is a 'faster distro'?Boot, shutdown, load times are faster, and yes, it is noticeable.
Also, who cares about boot times?
Well, shutdown is boot in reverse, and I'm not sure what is a 'load time' and how is it different from 'boot time'.
lynx man, lynx. I still use it for diagnostics sometimes.Lynx. Links. Links2. elinks. There are more than enough to go around haha.
Well, shutdown is boot in reverse, and I'm not sure what is a 'load time' and how is it different from 'boot time'.Program load times.
I guess you can compile a program with bare mininum of options on any distro.Well, shutdown is boot in reverse, and I'm not sure what is a 'load time' and how is it different from 'boot time'.Program load times.
That completely ignores a large portion of modern DEs.
A window manager doesn't
- (un)mount storage devices and potentially even, e.g., turn off unmounted drives;
- provide complex screen management;
- index data;
- allow better integration of apps (see, e.g., KIO slaves);
- centralize shortcut configuration;
- …
removing stuff is never as clean as never having been installed in the first place.
Nobody said "people using desktop environments are noobs".Please, reread vivalarevolución's post.
For any advanced user mounting/unmounting drives/peripherals is trivially done from the command line (I've got a hard time remembering when, if worse came to worse, a dmesg / lsblk / fdisk / mount (with the correct parameters) / umount didn't work.Or you can do none of it and have it just work.
Regarding screen management: if anything compared to 20 years ago configuring screens from the command line, while running X (oh, yup, I also always boot my workstation in text mode first, then only startx), has become much easier. You could, say, use xrandr, choose your GPU, choose your output (HDMI, whatever...), choose your resolution and you're done.Or you can do none of it and have it just work.
And what does it do that I couldn't do by going the Un*x-way and piping commands to search ("don't index, search") that one user account? With 16 GB of RAM (soon 32 or 64) and now M.2 SSDs with crazy fast read speeds, it's not as if local searching was any slow.Semantic desktop.
As for the shortcuts: I've got my HHKB JP configured so that one of the "switch to whatever japanese characters" key acts as an "hyper" key and that one key is dedicated to the WM's shortcuts and to the WM's shortcuts only, which is ultra-convenient. Sure it took some time to configure my VM's shortcuts and my apps' shortcuts, but it's something you do once and then go with for years (to give an idea: I think my workstation, also always doing some number crunching on two cores, is at 6 months uptime right now).A window manager doesn't, for example, address global shortcuts for a multimedia player… Sure you can (ad absurdum) figure out configuration for mdp… or have it work out of the box in a desktop environment.
I'm not saying it's not convenient in your case (I haven't used a Wacom device since 20 years, for example). All I'm saying is I'm not missing anything by not having icons and global shortcuts etc.Don't you use a computer at home?
Now of course my workstation is really just that: a workstation. I don't even have speakers connected to the mobo's audio output. (I do have a cool standalone stereo setup to listen to music when I work).
Regarding Linux configuration and scripts: configuration is typically something I only do when I buy a new Linux machine and then I'm pretty much done with it.
It seems like you're more after some OS-X'ish like experience: icons, spotlight (indexing), multimedia center, etc. in addition to work-related stuff. I'm just after work-related stuff and browsing. So YMMV.
And it needs a lot of them, In just the first chapter I found a lot of hilarious mistakes, like claiming Mint doesn't have proprietary software.
BTW for newbies, Linux Journey (https://linuxjourney.com/) is a very nice new educational website. It's been recently announced in /r/linux and the author is accepting corrections/suggestions.
BTW for newbies, Linux Journey (https://linuxjourney.com/) is a very nice new educational website. It's been recently announced in /r/linux and the author is accepting corrections/suggestions.Thank you so much for this. The Text-Fu part seems like it would be awesome.
did you lol
Nobody said "people using desktop environments are noobs".Please, reread vivalarevolución's post.
I only pointed out the difference between window managers and desktop environments, which he apparently missed.MoreFor any advanced user mounting/unmounting drives/peripherals is trivially done from the command line (I've got a hard time remembering when, if worse came to worse, a dmesg / lsblk / fdisk / mount (with the correct parameters) / umount didn't work.Or you can do none of it and have it just work.Regarding screen management: if anything compared to 20 years ago configuring screens from the command line, while running X (oh, yup, I also always boot my workstation in text mode first, then only startx), has become much easier. You could, say, use xrandr, choose your GPU, choose your output (HDMI, whatever...), choose your resolution and you're done.Or you can do none of it and have it just work.
Ditto for screen rotation synchronized with Wacom digitizer. Of course I could write a script, but why?And what does it do that I couldn't do by going the Un*x-way and piping commands to search ("don't index, search") that one user account? With 16 GB of RAM (soon 32 or 64) and now M.2 SSDs with crazy fast read speeds, it's not as if local searching was any slow.Semantic desktop.As for the shortcuts: I've got my HHKB JP configured so that one of the "switch to whatever japanese characters" key acts as an "hyper" key and that one key is dedicated to the WM's shortcuts and to the WM's shortcuts only, which is ultra-convenient. Sure it took some time to configure my VM's shortcuts and my apps' shortcuts, but it's something you do once and then go with for years (to give an idea: I think my workstation, also always doing some number crunching on two cores, is at 6 months uptime right now).A window manager doesn't, for example, address global shortcuts for a multimedia player… Sure you can (ad absurdum) figure out configuration for mdp… or have it work out of the box in a desktop environment.
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For those looking to become more proficient at the command line, I highly recommend taking the time to learn how to use `tmux`. Or `screen`, if for some reason you're stuck with that. It will confuse you at first, but then it stops being confusing, and your life at the command line will be vastly improved.
For those looking to become more proficient at the command line, I highly recommend taking the time to learn how to use `tmux`. Or `screen`, if for some reason you're stuck with that. It will confuse you at first, but then it stops being confusing, and your life at the command line will be vastly improved.
I prefer tmux over screen, but admittedly haven't really used screen nearly as much. Definitely worth learning for sure though, especially since linux is all about the command line :rolleyes:
For those looking to become more proficient at the command line, I highly recommend taking the time to learn how to use `tmux`. Or `screen`, if for some reason you're stuck with that. It will confuse you at first, but then it stops being confusing, and your life at the command line will be vastly improved.
I prefer tmux over screen, but admittedly haven't really used screen nearly as much. Definitely worth learning for sure though, especially since linux is all about the command line :rolleyes:
For those looking to become more proficient at the command line, I highly recommend taking the time to learn how to use `tmux`. Or `screen`, if for some reason you're stuck with that. It will confuse you at first, but then it stops being confusing, and your life at the command line will be vastly improved.
Another cool feature of tmux – but I'm not entirely sure whether this is a unique feature of tmux – is that you can suspend sessions (with plugins or core, not sure). So you could actually shut down your computer, reboot, and continue where you left. I find that very handy for long stretches of coding.
People typically prefer screen, as it has more features. I'm not sure if this is still the case, but it used to be the case that screen only did vertical splits, not horizontal (or the other way around).
Another cool feature of tmux – but I'm not entirely sure whether this is a unique feature of tmux – is that you can suspend sessions (with plugins or core, not sure). So you could actually shut down your computer, reboot, and continue where you left. I find that very handy for long stretches of coding.
People typically prefer screen, as it has more features. I'm not sure if this is still the case, but it used to be the case that screen only did vertical splits, not horizontal (or the other way around).
Another cool feature of tmux – but I'm not entirely sure whether this is a unique feature of tmux – is that you can suspend sessions (with plugins or core, not sure). So you could actually shut down your computer, reboot, and continue where you left. I find that very handy for long stretches of coding.
I think it really doesn't matter which one you choose - they both do the job. I switched to tmux probably six years ago; there was this weird proprietary app (for a client's data capture board) that I had to work with that did unspeakable, criminal things to the terminal. screen couldn't deal with it; tmux could, sort of. Another, minor benefit for those who use OS X: iTerm2 integrates with tmux in a kind of interesting way.
And keeping sessions live when you're away is one of the most important tricks they offer, IMHO. I usually only restart sessions when the host on which they're running reboots. It is like my workshop - everything stays the way I left it. Actually, better - making my workshop that way required some, ah, operant conditioning of the other plains apes in my home.
Another, minor benefit for those who use OS X: iTerm2 integrates with tmux in a kind of interesting way.
Interesting. Personally, I try to keep my software purist and to avoid things like iterm speaking to tmux. Probably some superstition, but I'm always afraid that when tmux or iterm changes its interface, the other will broke and I'm stuck with my broken workflow.
We've recently started using CoreOS on our cluster at work, mainly to host Docker containers.
Interesting update policy - the OS is stored on one of two boot partitions, and is updated as a single unit, then the machine reboots into the partition just updated. If something breaks you can just reboot it in the old partition.
We have a 3 node cluster for testing purposes, the 3 nodes were updated 3 days apart, and services restarted automatically.
Neat :)
We've recently started using CoreOS on our cluster at work, mainly to host Docker containers.
Interesting update policy - the OS is stored on one of two boot partitions, and is updated as a single unit, then the machine reboots into the partition just updated. If something breaks you can just reboot it in the old partition.
We have a 3 node cluster for testing purposes, the 3 nodes were updated 3 days apart, and services restarted automatically.
Neat :)
What are you using for container orchestration?
We've recently started using CoreOS on our cluster at work, mainly to host Docker containers.
Interesting update policy - the OS is stored on one of two boot partitions, and is updated as a single unit, then the machine reboots into the partition just updated. If something breaks you can just reboot it in the old partition.
We have a 3 node cluster for testing purposes, the 3 nodes were updated 3 days apart, and services restarted automatically.
Neat :)
What are you using for container orchestration?
Um, still a bit new to Docker terminology, but if I understand the question correctly fleet on CoreOS with etcd2 as the distributed data store.
Looked briefly at Docker Swarm, but it was still marked as "experimental" or something when I started, so I moved on to other things. Maybe time to look at it again.
I'd like to try Docker and see what the deal is with this "containers" thing. But it seems pretty much all relevant distros, CoreOS included, run systemd, and I'd rather not. Any thoughts on RancherOS?
I'd like to try Docker and see what the deal is with this "containers" thing. But it seems pretty much all relevant distros, CoreOS included, run systemd, and I'd rather not. Any thoughts on RancherOS?
I'd like to try Docker and see what the deal is with this "containers" thing. But it seems pretty much all relevant distros, CoreOS included, run systemd, and I'd rather not. Any thoughts on RancherOS?
Frick that seems smart. We could use that at my job, but they won't ever let me start integrating Linux into their work environment.I'd like to try Docker and see what the deal is with this "containers" thing. But it seems pretty much all relevant distros, CoreOS included, run systemd, and I'd rather not. Any thoughts on RancherOS?
With CoreOS I've found that you don't interact with it much.
Configuration is handled through a "cloud-config" file, which is a plain text file read at boot time that configures everything, including network interfaces and services.
Thereafter CoreOS just runs.
It does integrate fleet with systemd to manage Docker containers across CoreOS clusters, which it seems to do really well.
Frick that seems smart. We could use that at my job, but they won't ever let me start integrating Linux into their work environment.I'd like to try Docker and see what the deal is with this "containers" thing. But it seems pretty much all relevant distros, CoreOS included, run systemd, and I'd rather not. Any thoughts on RancherOS?
With CoreOS I've found that you don't interact with it much.
Configuration is handled through a "cloud-config" file, which is a plain text file read at boot time that configures everything, including network interfaces and services.
Thereafter CoreOS just runs.
It does integrate fleet with systemd to manage Docker containers across CoreOS clusters, which it seems to do really well.
That's awesome. I really should download centOS or coreOS and fiddle around with those, maybe make some virtual environments here at home for a start until I get the hang of it.Frick that seems smart. We could use that at my job, but they won't ever let me start integrating Linux into their work environment.I'd like to try Docker and see what the deal is with this "containers" thing. But it seems pretty much all relevant distros, CoreOS included, run systemd, and I'd rather not. Any thoughts on RancherOS?
With CoreOS I've found that you don't interact with it much.
Configuration is handled through a "cloud-config" file, which is a plain text file read at boot time that configures everything, including network interfaces and services.
Thereafter CoreOS just runs.
It does integrate fleet with systemd to manage Docker containers across CoreOS clusters, which it seems to do really well.
We were all Windows many years ago, and really struggling with a Windows email server (and dialup internet connection). On my own initiative I claimed an old laptop, downloaded the floppies for Slackware and installed it. Configured an email server, added a few users, and showed it as proof of concept. It was received sufficiently well that I was given an old PC, moderate configuration for the day, and allowed to install Linux on it for use in the office. Since then our email and an increasing number of services have been handled by Linux servers.
We dabbled with FreeBSD for a little while, but the hardware support was lacking for the weird hardware we always seem to buy.
Now we have two Windows servers - one for a client to use as an integration test server and one for MSSQL, and everything else runs under some distro of Linux (mostly Oracle Linux, CentOS, Ubuntu or CoreOS).
That's awesome. I really should download centOS or coreOS and fiddle around with those, maybe make some virtual environments here at home for a start until I get the hang of it.Frick that seems smart. We could use that at my job, but they won't ever let me start integrating Linux into their work environment.I'd like to try Docker and see what the deal is with this "containers" thing. But it seems pretty much all relevant distros, CoreOS included, run systemd, and I'd rather not. Any thoughts on RancherOS?
With CoreOS I've found that you don't interact with it much.
Configuration is handled through a "cloud-config" file, which is a plain text file read at boot time that configures everything, including network interfaces and services.
Thereafter CoreOS just runs.
It does integrate fleet with systemd to manage Docker containers across CoreOS clusters, which it seems to do really well.
We were all Windows many years ago, and really struggling with a Windows email server (and dialup internet connection). On my own initiative I claimed an old laptop, downloaded the floppies for Slackware and installed it. Configured an email server, added a few users, and showed it as proof of concept. It was received sufficiently well that I was given an old PC, moderate configuration for the day, and allowed to install Linux on it for use in the office. Since then our email and an increasing number of services have been handled by Linux servers.
We dabbled with FreeBSD for a little while, but the hardware support was lacking for the weird hardware we always seem to buy.
Now we have two Windows servers - one for a client to use as an integration test server and one for MSSQL, and everything else runs under some distro of Linux (mostly Oracle Linux, CentOS, Ubuntu or CoreOS).
This seems to have given me yet another project for my home server.
Thanks for this. :D
XenServer seems like that would be a worthy project for now then. Thanks for the tip. :DThat's awesome. I really should download centOS or coreOS and fiddle around with those, maybe make some virtual environments here at home for a start until I get the hang of it.Frick that seems smart. We could use that at my job, but they won't ever let me start integrating Linux into their work environment.I'd like to try Docker and see what the deal is with this "containers" thing. But it seems pretty much all relevant distros, CoreOS included, run systemd, and I'd rather not. Any thoughts on RancherOS?
With CoreOS I've found that you don't interact with it much.
Configuration is handled through a "cloud-config" file, which is a plain text file read at boot time that configures everything, including network interfaces and services.
Thereafter CoreOS just runs.
It does integrate fleet with systemd to manage Docker containers across CoreOS clusters, which it seems to do really well.
We were all Windows many years ago, and really struggling with a Windows email server (and dialup internet connection). On my own initiative I claimed an old laptop, downloaded the floppies for Slackware and installed it. Configured an email server, added a few users, and showed it as proof of concept. It was received sufficiently well that I was given an old PC, moderate configuration for the day, and allowed to install Linux on it for use in the office. Since then our email and an increasing number of services have been handled by Linux servers.
We dabbled with FreeBSD for a little while, but the hardware support was lacking for the weird hardware we always seem to buy.
Now we have two Windows servers - one for a client to use as an integration test server and one for MSSQL, and everything else runs under some distro of Linux (mostly Oracle Linux, CentOS, Ubuntu or CoreOS).
This seems to have given me yet another project for my home server.
Thanks for this. :D
Just to throw something else in the mix - technically we're running CoreOS inside XenServer on two physical servers.
I was nearly going to run XenServer at home, but decided against it. I don't really do that much experimentation at home any more, and it was just adding another layer of maintenance to a server that I barely have time to maintain already.
Just to throw something else in the mix - technically we're running CoreOS inside XenServer on two physical servers.
I was nearly going to run XenServer at home, but decided against it. I don't really do that much experimentation at home any more, and it was just adding another layer of maintenance to a server that I barely have time to maintain already.
I caved and installed Debian 8.5/Gnome; my god, it just works. :)
I caved and installed Debian 8.5/Gnome; my god, it just works. :)
Seeing different partitions / discs / home folders? It feels messy.
I'm too anally retentive to dual boot. Two splash screens? Seeing different partitions / discs / home folders? It feels messy.
Frick that seems smart. We could use that at my job, but they won't ever let me start integrating Linux into their work environment.I'd like to try Docker and see what the deal is with this "containers" thing. But it seems pretty much all relevant distros, CoreOS included, run systemd, and I'd rather not. Any thoughts on RancherOS?
With CoreOS I've found that you don't interact with it much.
Configuration is handled through a "cloud-config" file, which is a plain text file read at boot time that configures everything, including network interfaces and services.
Thereafter CoreOS just runs.
It does integrate fleet with systemd to manage Docker containers across CoreOS clusters, which it seems to do really well.
We were all Windows many years ago, and really struggling with a Windows email server (and dialup internet connection). On my own initiative I claimed an old laptop, downloaded the floppies for Slackware and installed it. Configured an email server, added a few users, and showed it as proof of concept. It was received sufficiently well that I was given an old PC, moderate configuration for the day, and allowed to install Linux on it for use in the office. Since then our email and an increasing number of services have been handled by Linux servers.
We dabbled with FreeBSD for a little while, but the hardware support was lacking for the weird hardware we always seem to buy.
Now we have two Windows servers - one for a client to use as an integration test server and one for MSSQL, and everything else runs under some distro of Linux (mostly Oracle Linux, CentOS, Ubuntu or CoreOS).
Frick that seems smart. We could use that at my job, but they won't ever let me start integrating Linux into their work environment.I'd like to try Docker and see what the deal is with this "containers" thing. But it seems pretty much all relevant distros, CoreOS included, run systemd, and I'd rather not. Any thoughts on RancherOS?
With CoreOS I've found that you don't interact with it much.
Configuration is handled through a "cloud-config" file, which is a plain text file read at boot time that configures everything, including network interfaces and services.
Thereafter CoreOS just runs.
It does integrate fleet with systemd to manage Docker containers across CoreOS clusters, which it seems to do really well.
We were all Windows many years ago, and really struggling with a Windows email server (and dialup internet connection). On my own initiative I claimed an old laptop, downloaded the floppies for Slackware and installed it. Configured an email server, added a few users, and showed it as proof of concept. It was received sufficiently well that I was given an old PC, moderate configuration for the day, and allowed to install Linux on it for use in the office. Since then our email and an increasing number of services have been handled by Linux servers.
We dabbled with FreeBSD for a little while, but the hardware support was lacking for the weird hardware we always seem to buy.
Now we have two Windows servers - one for a client to use as an integration test server and one for MSSQL, and everything else runs under some distro of Linux (mostly Oracle Linux, CentOS, Ubuntu or CoreOS).
Wow, that's pretty incredible to read that, because a very similar thing happened to us.
My company switched from Windows servers to Gentoo servers after my CTO, who was just an intern at that time, tried to implement a service to handle email bounces.
It was a PITA on MS, and so easy on Gentoo (patches on Gentoo are awesome), that the company decided to mostly abandon MS servers after that show of strength.
That was something like ten years ago, and nowadays most of our servers are running Gentoo, as well as every dev/ops computer. :)
It would be amazing if I could get some Linux into our work environments because I just know it'd run better than it does at the moment.Frick that seems smart. We could use that at my job, but they won't ever let me start integrating Linux into their work environment.I'd like to try Docker and see what the deal is with this "containers" thing. But it seems pretty much all relevant distros, CoreOS included, run systemd, and I'd rather not. Any thoughts on RancherOS?
With CoreOS I've found that you don't interact with it much.
Configuration is handled through a "cloud-config" file, which is a plain text file read at boot time that configures everything, including network interfaces and services.
Thereafter CoreOS just runs.
It does integrate fleet with systemd to manage Docker containers across CoreOS clusters, which it seems to do really well.
We were all Windows many years ago, and really struggling with a Windows email server (and dialup internet connection). On my own initiative I claimed an old laptop, downloaded the floppies for Slackware and installed it. Configured an email server, added a few users, and showed it as proof of concept. It was received sufficiently well that I was given an old PC, moderate configuration for the day, and allowed to install Linux on it for use in the office. Since then our email and an increasing number of services have been handled by Linux servers.
We dabbled with FreeBSD for a little while, but the hardware support was lacking for the weird hardware we always seem to buy.
Now we have two Windows servers - one for a client to use as an integration test server and one for MSSQL, and everything else runs under some distro of Linux (mostly Oracle Linux, CentOS, Ubuntu or CoreOS).
Wow, that's pretty incredible to read that, because a very similar thing happened to us.
My company switched from Windows servers to Gentoo servers after my CTO, who was just an intern at that time, tried to implement a service to handle email bounces.
It was a PITA on MS, and so easy on Gentoo (patches on Gentoo are awesome), that the company decided to mostly abandon MS servers after that show of strength.
That was something like ten years ago, and nowadays most of our servers are running Gentoo, as well as every dev/ops computer. :)
I doubt I'll ever get to work in a linux server environment. I would love that though.
I've got a server at home I'm thinking about doing that to.I doubt I'll ever get to work in a linux server environment. I would love that though.
Linux servers will run great with a single core and 512MB RAM if you just want to experiment. Set up a virtual cluster on your laptop or workstation.
I completely disagree.I'm too anally retentive to dual boot. Two splash screens? Seeing different partitions / discs / home folders? It feels messy.
This about the 1000th time I've seen this post and I just don't get it...at all. Is this something spread around on Reddit or in gamer circles? It's not 2003 anymore. There are several free or cheap virtualization options out there. There is almost no reason to dual, triple, quad boot anything. Run a VM - done.
You also don't have to manually set partitions.
I completely disagree.I'm too anally retentive to dual boot. Two splash screens? Seeing different partitions / discs / home folders? It feels messy.
This about the 1000th time I've seen this post and I just don't get it...at all. Is this something spread around on Reddit or in gamer circles? It's not 2003 anymore. There are several free or cheap virtualization options out there. There is almost no reason to dual, triple, quad boot anything. Run a VM - done.
You also don't have to manually set partitions.
VM's work great for server environments or smaller programs you need but no alternative exists, but really, thats becoming more and more rare as Linux becomes more and more on par with Windows.
Here's the problem.
You use Linux for security and stability, it can do most of what Windows can do. Pretty much anything common will work just fine in Linux.
You use Windows for gaming and Cad. For games you need performance, and a VM is not going to run as well as a real OS for gaming, and while I can't speak for others, Solidworks 2016 will not run in a virtual environment.
Back to basics: If somebody is coming to this thread for advice on how to break free from Micro$oft Windows .....+1 for Linux Mint.
In my opinion Linux Mint/Cinnamon will give you the quickest transition with the easiest learning curve.
I dabbled with Ubuntu for years but it just got weirder and weirder.
I completely disagree.I'm too anally retentive to dual boot. Two splash screens? Seeing different partitions / discs / home folders? It feels messy.
This about the 1000th time I've seen this post and I just don't get it...at all. Is this something spread around on Reddit or in gamer circles? It's not 2003 anymore. There are several free or cheap virtualization options out there. There is almost no reason to dual, triple, quad boot anything. Run a VM - done.
You also don't have to manually set partitions.
VM's work great for server environments or smaller programs you need but no alternative exists, but really, thats becoming more and more rare as Linux becomes more and more on par with Windows.
Here's the problem.
You use Linux for security and stability, it can do most of what Windows can do. Pretty much anything common will work just fine in Linux.
You use Windows for gaming and Cad. For games you need performance, and a VM is not going to run as well as a real OS for gaming, and while I can't speak for others, Solidworks 2016 will not run in a virtual environment.
Archlinux, bcs it makes you understand the basics of linux
(uses only text file configs)
it's rolling releases, so you don't need "distr upgrade" anymore
I completely disagree.I'm too anally retentive to dual boot. Two splash screens? Seeing different partitions / discs / home folders? It feels messy.
This about the 1000th time I've seen this post and I just don't get it...at all. Is this something spread around on Reddit or in gamer circles? It's not 2003 anymore. There are several free or cheap virtualization options out there. There is almost no reason to dual, triple, quad boot anything. Run a VM - done.
You also don't have to manually set partitions.
VM's work great for server environments or smaller programs you need but no alternative exists, but really, thats becoming more and more rare as Linux becomes more and more on par with Windows.
Here's the problem.
You use Linux for security and stability, it can do most of what Windows can do. Pretty much anything common will work just fine in Linux.
You use Windows for gaming and Cad. For games you need performance, and a VM is not going to run as well as a real OS for gaming, and while I can't speak for others, Solidworks 2016 will not run in a virtual environment.
You are making my point...run Windows as your host and Linux as guest(s). Why would you NEED to run Linux natively if all you are doing is playing around with it or using it for some mundane server platform?
Archlinux, bcs it makes you understand the basics of linuxWelcome to GeekHack!
(uses only text file configs)
it's rolling releases, so you don't need "distr upgrade" anymore
Archlinux, bcs it makes you understand the basics of linux
(uses only text file configs)
it's rolling releases, so you don't need "distr upgrade" anymore
Welcome to Geekhack!
I used Arch for a little while at work, but found myself reading too much about the Arch way and worrying that some updates would break the system, than actually using it for work.
It's like Linux From Scratch (is that still around?) but more polished.
I completely disagree.I'm too anally retentive to dual boot. Two splash screens? Seeing different partitions / discs / home folders? It feels messy.
This about the 1000th time I've seen this post and I just don't get it...at all. Is this something spread around on Reddit or in gamer circles? It's not 2003 anymore. There are several free or cheap virtualization options out there. There is almost no reason to dual, triple, quad boot anything. Run a VM - done.
You also don't have to manually set partitions.
VM's work great for server environments or smaller programs you need but no alternative exists, but really, thats becoming more and more rare as Linux becomes more and more on par with Windows.
Here's the problem.
You use Linux for security and stability, it can do most of what Windows can do. Pretty much anything common will work just fine in Linux.
You use Windows for gaming and Cad. For games you need performance, and a VM is not going to run as well as a real OS for gaming, and while I can't speak for others, Solidworks 2016 will not run in a virtual environment.
You are making my point...run Windows as your host and Linux as guest(s). Why would you NEED to run Linux natively if all you are doing is playing around with it or using it for some mundane server platform?
Windows has a lot of overhead, which isn't something I want in a VM host. If I was going back and forth all the time, I might consider a virtualized solution (and I did exactly that, when all I was doing with linux was playing around). But now I spend months without ever booting Windows on my desktop, and I see virtualization as just an unnecessary use of system resources and another potential point of failure. I quite frequently use enough RAM or CPU time that the overhead of a bulky host system like Windows would have a noticeable impact.
I agree that virtualization is better in most cases if you just have a single drive -- I have never had long-term success setting up dual boot between Windows and linux from a single physical drive. But I have two drives, and boot to grub on the drive with linux. Grub defaults to loading debian, but can switch me over to the Windows drive with one button. It's a very simple system, and it gives me everything I need to do what I need to do, whether it's work or just messing around online.
Beyond all that, for those who are more security-minded than myself, I'd assume that using Windows as a host defeats many of the security benefits of using linux, as all your data passes through the Windows environment at some point.
What are you talking about? Windows "overhead"? Security, but you want to use Windows? Everything passes through Windows from the VM?????
Linux is just as vulnerable to malicious code as Windows...
Anyway, for those who want to get their feet wet with Linux there is no reason to go through the hassle of resizing partitions and dealing with boot managers, and having to reboot every time you want to switch OSs.
I assume most of the "guys" here are Windows gamers with quad core rigs running at least 8-16GB RAM. If you allocate 1-8GB RAM to a VM (which it will use just a fraction of) you will notice 0 degradation in performance of either OS. Why not "try before you buy?"
I wish I could have virtualized all of the OSes I tried when I started playing with Linux without having to wipe or multi-boot every time...
Windows "overhead"
Security, but you want to use Windows? Everything passes through Windows from the VM?????
Linux is just as vulnerable to malicious code as Windows...
Anyway, for those who want to get their feet wet with Linux there is no reason to go through the hassle of resizing partitions and dealing with boot managers, and having to reboot every time you want to switch OSs.
I assume most of the "guys" here are Windows gamers with quad core rigs running at least 8-16GB RAM. If you allocate 1-8GB RAM to a VM (which it will use just a fraction of) you will notice 0 degradation in performance of either OS. Why not "try before you buy?"
I wish I could have virtualized all of the OSes I tried when I started playing with Linux without having to wipe or multi-boot every time...
I never said never. :)
I'll bet that 95% of the people who dual boot could do just fine with VMs though. Again, if you are just using Win once a week...why have a native install? I juggled dual, triple, and even quad booting (with a Macbook) for years and it was a ***** to manage backups and share files. With VMs you backup and restore entire "machines" with ease. And if you go with VMware the guest tools make it almost impossible to tell any difference between a native machine and virtual in terms of performance...including graphics.
I'm using Ubuntu 16.04 in two VMs (home and work). Not good with it, but I'm working on it.Basically it's like anything else. You just have to use it enough.
Long segmented replyVery well said.
I'll bet that 95% of the people who dual boot could do just fine with VMs though.And 99.999% of people could get by JUST using Windows without any VM or Linux (or Mac) at all, including myself.
The games I want to play don't work on linux. I added linux to a pre-existing Windows install, so it was easier to get set up this way than to also try and reinstall Windows in a VM. My biggest concern is that support for my graphics card isn't the greatest under linux, and so I can't get the same performance I do under Windows. Would I be wrong to assume that my graphics performance in linux would limit any performance I could see in the VM? Because even if I got 100% of the performance that I get under linux in a Windows VM, it wouldn't be good enough.Pretty similar to me.
Regarding backups, I don't bother backing up the Windows drive anymore. Everything that's on it is either contained in an old backup, synced to other machines using dropbox, or game data that's synced to steam. If I was actively using the Windows side, it would be different, but if I needed the Windows side more often I would be looking for a different solution anyway. I handle all of my file backups from linux, no differently than I would if I wasn't running Windows at all.
I used to dual-boot Windows and Linux back in the day. Windows for gaming and Linux for everything else. It was a real pain, especially things like wanting to check my emails without quitting a game and rebooting. So I ended up getting a second PC and having one operating system on each.You know this isn't a bad idea at all, I might do this.
Many years later I ended up with a Mac as my main workstation, and setup Bootcamp to dual-boot Windows (as the Mac was faster than the other computers I had at the time). Again Windows for gaming and OS X for everything else. That continued to be a real pain, so I got another computer again.
To this date I still have two computers - one for Windows (games) and one for OS X (everything else).
Plus the odd VM here and there when I cbf to have both computers running all the time.
Do you have any experience with multiple monitors on a system like Debian?
Well that's great news. Thank you.Do you have any experience with multiple monitors on a system like Debian?
Works like a charm, and has been for years. Though, I have not used it with more than three - but I can't see why that wouldn't also work flawlessly.
Well that's great news. Thank you.Do you have any experience with multiple monitors on a system like Debian?
Works like a charm, and has been for years. Though, I have not used it with more than three - but I can't see why that wouldn't also work flawlessly.
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Well that's great news. Thank you.Do you have any experience with multiple monitors on a system like Debian?
Works like a charm, and has been for years. Though, I have not used it with more than three - but I can't see why that wouldn't also work flawlessly.
Sent from my stinky butt.
Quadro or GTX? Other inquiring minds might want to know..
Would I be wrong to assume that my graphics performance in linux would limit any performance I could see in the VM? Because even if I got 100% of the performance that I get under linux in a Windows VM, it wouldn't be good enough.
E: forgot to mention -- apologies for misinterpreting what you were saying. Looking back, your point of view is a bit clearer.
Long segmented replyVery well said.I'll bet that 95% of the people who dual boot could do just fine with VMs though.And 99.999% of people could get by JUST using Windows without any VM or Linux (or Mac) at all, including myself.
It's a Windows world, if something works on Linux, odds are, it either works on Windows or there is a functional equivalent. VERY, VERY little works on Linux but not Windows. So working from a Windows perspective is relatively simple. Working from a Linux perspective, that's where it gets tricky, but it also happens to be where the real benefits come into play.
We aren't saying Linux is easy, or that people shouldn't try it or use, it took me a LONG time to wean myself off Windows (literally decades), but in the end, especially with Windows 10, I'm much happier as a result.The games I want to play don't work on linux. I added linux to a pre-existing Windows install, so it was easier to get set up this way than to also try and reinstall Windows in a VM. My biggest concern is that support for my graphics card isn't the greatest under linux, and so I can't get the same performance I do under Windows. Would I be wrong to assume that my graphics performance in linux would limit any performance I could see in the VM? Because even if I got 100% of the performance that I get under linux in a Windows VM, it wouldn't be good enough.Pretty similar to me.
Regarding backups, I don't bother backing up the Windows drive anymore. Everything that's on it is either contained in an old backup, synced to other machines using dropbox, or game data that's synced to steam. If I was actively using the Windows side, it would be different, but if I needed the Windows side more often I would be looking for a different solution anyway. I handle all of my file backups from linux, no differently than I would if I wasn't running Windows at all.
It's been a while since I gamed, but I do use cad programs, which don't like VM's or Linux. I keep a VERY bare minimum Windows install on my notebook and desktop, though my desktop is only on Linux since my big ssd died (to be fixed soon). It doesn't get updates, it doesn't have an AV, in fact other than IE, it doesn't even have a browser (I could argue IE isn't a browser, but actually a virus factory, but that;s another conversation). The only reason I allow it internet at all is to stream music when I use it or access files on my server, where I keep the cad files. There is literally, nothing in Windows to backup.
Long segmented replyVery well said.I'll bet that 95% of the people who dual boot could do just fine with VMs though.And 99.999% of people could get by JUST using Windows without any VM or Linux (or Mac) at all, including myself.
It's a Windows world, if something works on Linux, odds are, it either works on Windows or there is a functional equivalent. VERY, VERY little works on Linux but not Windows. So working from a Windows perspective is relatively simple. Working from a Linux perspective, that's where it gets tricky, but it also happens to be where the real benefits come into play.
We aren't saying Linux is easy, or that people shouldn't try it or use, it took me a LONG time to wean myself off Windows (literally decades), but in the end, especially with Windows 10, I'm much happier as a result.The games I want to play don't work on linux. I added linux to a pre-existing Windows install, so it was easier to get set up this way than to also try and reinstall Windows in a VM. My biggest concern is that support for my graphics card isn't the greatest under linux, and so I can't get the same performance I do under Windows. Would I be wrong to assume that my graphics performance in linux would limit any performance I could see in the VM? Because even if I got 100% of the performance that I get under linux in a Windows VM, it wouldn't be good enough.Pretty similar to me.
Regarding backups, I don't bother backing up the Windows drive anymore. Everything that's on it is either contained in an old backup, synced to other machines using dropbox, or game data that's synced to steam. If I was actively using the Windows side, it would be different, but if I needed the Windows side more often I would be looking for a different solution anyway. I handle all of my file backups from linux, no differently than I would if I wasn't running Windows at all.
It's been a while since I gamed, but I do use cad programs, which don't like VM's or Linux. I keep a VERY bare minimum Windows install on my notebook and desktop, though my desktop is only on Linux since my big ssd died (to be fixed soon). It doesn't get updates, it doesn't have an AV, in fact other than IE, it doesn't even have a browser (I could argue IE isn't a browser, but actually a virus factory, but that;s another conversation). The only reason I allow it internet at all is to stream music when I use it or access files on my server, where I keep the cad files. There is literally, nothing in Windows to backup.
I think you are still missing my point.
This thread is largely consists of "noobs" and experienced users of Linux asking and giving Linux advice.
Just about every time anyone experienced suggests installing Linux, to a "noob", they say to dual boot...as if it's their only option.
I say, that if you are running Win, have one box, and just want to try Linux...try it in a VM first.
I think you are still missing my point.The thread was what Linux distro does GH users use, and how they use it, not recommend a distro for people who have no experience with it.
This thread is largely consists of "noobs" and experienced users of Linux asking and giving Linux advice.
Just about every time anyone experienced suggests installing Linux, to a "noob", they say to dual boot...as if it's their only option.
I say, that if you are running Win, have one box, and just want to try Linux...try it in a VM first.
I'm still a noob but I will probably advise against dual booting in the future. Trusting the Ubuntu forums for my Linux Mint problems was probably my first mistake. I was dual booting Linux Mint/Windows 7 at the time and I guess I was allergic to documentation for some reason. All the reformatting of Linux Mint somehow corrupted the boot partition of my Windows 7 so I reformatted for Windows 7 and left it that way for nearly a year.I did that as well once, ok twice, second time I knew how to fix it. And yes, I had probably read the same threads as you, which lead to it. :))
I couldn't understand that maybe I was reading the right answer for me, but I had to modify the information to fit my distro. Or the silly things like oh, I'm tired of Cinnamon I think I'll try Gnome; afterwards I apt-get autoremove.. people on all the forums will say, "Go ahead, there's no way it could cause any harm." So I restart the computer and I'm missing an entire environment and a slew of other important packages because they're somehow linked to everything because everything was automatically installed and is no longer needed.
I'm still a noob but I will probably advise against dual booting in the future. Trusting the Ubuntu forums for my Linux Mint problems was probably my first mistake. I was dual booting Linux Mint/Windows 7 at the time and I guess I was allergic to documentation for some reason. All the reformatting of Linux Mint somehow corrupted the boot partition of my Windows 7 so I reformatted for Windows 7 and left it that way for nearly a year.I did that as well once, ok twice, second time I knew how to fix it. And yes, I had probably read the same threads as you, which lead to it. :))
I couldn't understand that maybe I was reading the right answer for me, but I had to modify the information to fit my distro. Or the silly things like oh, I'm tired of Cinnamon I think I'll try Gnome; afterwards I apt-get autoremove.. people on all the forums will say, "Go ahead, there's no way it could cause any harm." So I restart the computer and I'm missing an entire environment and a slew of other important packages because they're somehow linked to everything because everything was automatically installed and is no longer needed.
Here's why it happened, and you are somewhat correct on why, you were reading Ubuntu's help.
Ubuntu uses the Unity desktop, if you put Cinnamon on it, you still have Unity. Remove Cinnamon and you can fall back to Unity.
Mint uses Cinnamon, which is built on top of Gnome, it's a fork of it. So when you tried Gnome, you overwrote parts of Cinnamon but it would still function (somewhat). Then when you removed Cinnamon, it removed HUGE chunks of Gnome. It's possible to do what you wanted, it just needs to be done in a certain order, or you need to repair Gnome (reinstall) after you removed Cinnamon.
The big question though is did you learn from it and did you have backups?
You're going to make mistakes, big ones, this is kind of why I see partitioning as sort of a baptism or test. Windows and Mac users typically buy a computer with an OS already installed and optimized, this time it's you having to do that and it doesn't always go perfect, especially with an open source os, things will go wrong and you need to be able to deal with it. Think of it this way, you already experienced the worst that can happen and you passed. If you didn't kill it then, you probably would have later (and still could again).
Even with the best documentation things happen.
I was experimenting with Arch and put Cinnamon on, all was great, and then I installed Virtualbox. There's a little known conflict between those three, and it causes the entire system to dump. Unless you look it up the right way, you wouldn't know it existed and who would expect it.
Remember, with great freedom comes great risk, this wouldn't happen on Windows, but remember, you can't change the entire desktop on Windows. It's why IOS is so stable, you can't do much to it and muck it up. Open IOS up to the customization Android has and you would see it come crashing down. That's not an insult to Android or IOS, what you prefer is personal.
Scrambling my copy of Linux Mint has definitely tightened my impulse control. Now I can sometimes save my system from crashes and a few other mishaps (knock on wood). I also have some backups just in case. I'm pretty content with Debian and the only problem I can see happening in the future would have to do with new Debian release upgrades or changing GPUs (Radeon to GTX kind of changes)
Scrambling my copy of Linux Mint has definitely tightened my impulse control. Now I can sometimes save my system from crashes and a few other mishaps (knock on wood). I also have some backups just in case. I'm pretty content with Debian and the only problem I can see happening in the future would have to do with new Debian release upgrades or changing GPUs (Radeon to GTX kind of changes)
I must be a horror story then. I've resurrected my linux PC by just nuking it and starting over (yay for media backups)...and by switching GPUs, mobos, and hard drives (copy, paste, go)...without updating drivers and whatnot. I had a linux build that had so much unused stuff that I think I may have accidently killed it once or twice just by trying to back it up.
I'm currently running manjaro as my "downloading hue hue hue" server. Does the job. Also burns whenever I sit in front of it too long. Yay clunky 2006 computer.
Does anyone know what Microsofts secret sauce is in relation to graphics drivers; and why are these such a struggle in Linux?
Will one day be 2020, 2025, etc... and Linux will still be behind graphic card compatibility? I'm not trolling I'm sincerely curious.
Does anyone know what Microsofts secret sauce is in relation to graphics drivers; and why are these such a struggle in Linux?
Will one day be 2020, 2025, etc... and Linux will still be behind graphic card compatibility? I'm not trolling I'm sincerely curious.
I have never had a problem with graphics but have had tremendous problems with connectivity in general and wireless in particular.
Last time I checked, which was recently, Mint 17.3 still failed to talk to my 2015 Galaxy phone via USB!
There is no doubt in my mind that in the "paid" world people expect that the gear that they paid good money for to work properly, and so the people who are being paid to make it so do their jobs. If nobody is being paid to make FOSS work, then somebody may or may not get around to it in their spare time.
On the opposite end of the timeline, I have some Windows 98/XP-vintage hardware that Microsoft orphaned long ago that the Linux geeks easily keep running.
Does anyone know what Microsofts secret sauce is in relation to graphics drivers; and why are these such a struggle in Linux?Money.
Will one day be 2020, 2025, etc... and Linux will still be behind graphic card compatibility? I'm not trolling I'm sincerely curious.
Debian Jessie, though I'm aspiring to complete an Arch install someday. :)Try Manjaro, it's an easy way to play with Arch, similar to Debian or Ubuntu. I recommend tossing it into a VM and installing the tings you normally would, because while Arch has it's similarities, it has some quirks. If you want a more pure Arch experience, try Architect, which builds Arch from scratch for you, you get pure Arch, just as if you had compiled it yourself, but without the time and hassle.
Does anyone know what Microsofts secret sauce is in relation to graphics drivers; and why are these such a struggle in Linux?
Will one day be 2020, 2025, etc... and Linux will still be behind graphic card compatibility? I'm not trolling I'm sincerely curious.
Does anyone know what Microsofts secret sauce is in relation to graphics drivers; and why are these such a struggle in Linux?
Will one day be 2020, 2025, etc... and Linux will still be behind graphic card compatibility? I'm not trolling I'm sincerely curious.
This is why:
Does anyone know what Microsofts secret sauce is in relation to graphics drivers; and why are these such a struggle in Linux?
Does anyone know what Microsofts secret sauce is in relation to graphics drivers; and why are these such a struggle in Linux?
Linux is powering 99.5% of the Top 500 supercomputers. It's powering billions of phones. It's powering something like 70% of the active web servers of this planet. It's pretty much powering the Google / Amazon / Facebook infrastructure. It's powering hundreds of millions of routers. It's powering Raspberry Pi's and other tiny devices.
And many, many things I forgot. I guess gaming is simply one of these domains where Linux isn't on top yet and it's probably not the main focus.
Now even if it may be hard to believe, the whole GPU / graphic thing on Linux has gotten way better today than it was 15 or 20 years ago: back then it was really very very painful. I remember fighting with drivers and computing modelines manually to get this or that graphic mode supported on my GPU / CRT. I'd even hang on to know supported GPUs (and Ethernet cards too) and move them from PC to PC when upgrading (back then you were upgrading PC way more often: Moore's law was still true).
Now I just got a new PC a few days ago: plugged in the DisplayPort cable and, boom, native resolution and everything working on the first try.
So, yup, maybe 2030, maybe 2050. In any case it's going to be total world domination : )
So right now in July 2016 - what is the absolute best graphics card that is 100% supported by Linux?S3 or Matrox, followed by Intel.
When you are referring to Intel graphics cards, you are talking about the integrated GPUs, correct? Because I didn't think they made stand alone graphics cards.Yes I'm fairly certain he means the HD graphics that they have within the CPU.
When you are referring to Intel graphics cards, you are talking about the integrated GPUs, correct? Because I didn't think they made stand alone graphics cards.Yes I'm fairly certain he means the HD graphics that they have within the CPU.
So right now in July 2016 - what is the absolute best graphics card that is 100% supported by Linux?if a customer needs a graphics card, or a card fro multiple monitors and such, I try to buy AMD for them.
I use mostly use Manjaro because I'm too lazy to install Arch myself.Architect Linux
Is there anything other than Arch?
Which is Arch-based... not Arch.Is there anything other than Arch?
Uhhh..... Antergos? :shrug:
Which is Arch-based... not Arch.Is there anything other than Arch?
Uhhh..... Antergos? :shrug:
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Which is Arch-based... not Arch.Is there anything other than Arch?
Uhhh..... Antergos? :shrug:
Way to be a buzzkill!
I'm an independent tech supporting home to small and medium businesses, among other things.So right now in July 2016 - what is the absolute best graphics card that is 100% supported by Linux?if a customer needs a graphics card, or a card fro multiple monitors and such, I try to buy AMD for them.
Do you have a business that builds custom PC's?
I'm an independent tech supporting home to small and medium businesses, among other things.So right now in July 2016 - what is the absolute best graphics card that is 100% supported by Linux?if a customer needs a graphics card, or a card fro multiple monitors and such, I try to buy AMD for them.
Do you have a business that builds custom PC's?
Is there anything other than Arch?There is no Arch.
There is no Arch.
[attachimg=1]There is no Arch.Show Image(http://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20160713/5798449ba7cee7c02d31b07bb4752f82.jpg)
(diversion from doing work...)
I keep hearing about this Arch thing, what is Arch? Seriouslyhttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arch_Linux
I keep hearing about this Arch thing, what is Arch? Seriouslyhttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arch_Linux
I keep hearing about this Arch thing, what is Arch? SeriouslyArch is a rolling release Linux distribution with a huge repository (both distribution and community maintained) of current and bleeding edge packages. They adhere to the mantra of simplicity (see: The Arch Way, KISS)
I use mostly use Manjaro because I'm too lazy to install Arch myself.
I keep hearing about this Arch thing, what is Arch? SeriouslyArch is a rolling release Linux distribution with a huge repository (both distribution and community maintained) of current and bleeding edge packages. They adhere to the mantra of simplicity (see: The Arch Way, KISS)
Best from the horses mouth...
https://www.archlinux.org/about/ (https://www.archlinux.org/about/)
I keep hearing about this Arch thing, what is Arch? SeriouslyArch is a rolling release Linux distribution with a huge repository (both distribution and community maintained) of current and bleeding edge packages. They adhere to the mantra of simplicity (see: The Arch Way, KISS)
Best from the horses mouth...
https://www.archlinux.org/about/ (https://www.archlinux.org/about/)
Noob version of Slackware. ;)
Does anyone have any experience with puppy linux? Thinking of trying it out because I've got a really old pc that I'm trying to use in my 'office' it's more of a big mess with a desk that I try to work with keyboards at.I used Puppy as a rescue tool for a couple years, and have an old Dell Mini 9 kicking around with it on it somewhere... nice lightweight, little distro.
And when I say old pc I mean pci express 1.0 old.
Not sure if this really deserves it's own thread, so, since it's relevant I'll post here...
What (distro +) window manager do you all use?
Mine:
Arch / i3
Does anyone have any experience with puppy linux? Thinking of trying it out because I've got a really old pc that I'm trying to use in my 'office' it's more of a big mess with a desk that I try to work with keyboards at.
And when I say old pc I mean pci express 1.0 old.
Not sure if this really deserves it's own thread, so, since it's relevant I'll post here...
What (distro +) window manager do you all use?
Mine:
Arch / i3
Does anyone have any experience with puppy linux? Thinking of trying it out because I've got a really old pc that I'm trying to use in my 'office' it's more of a big mess with a desk that I try to work with keyboards at.I've used it on a laptop I bought in... 2006 I guess. No complaints at all, very nice distro.
And when I say old pc I mean pci express 1.0 old.
Saw this thread, reminded me i havent -Syu in 5 weeks, due to vacation(Holding thumbs)OI BRACE FOR IMPACT.
I keep hearing about this Arch thing, what is Arch? SeriouslyArch is a rolling release Linux distribution with a huge repository (both distribution and community maintained) of current and bleeding edge packages. They adhere to the mantra of simplicity (see: The Arch Way, KISS)
Best from the horses mouth...
https://www.archlinux.org/about/ (https://www.archlinux.org/about/)
Noob version of Slackware. ;)
Ha! Actually Gentoo/Funtoo would be more correct as Slackware isn't a rolling release distro.
But I feel what you're trying to imply... even if it's wrong. ;)
I never said never. :)
I'll bet that 95% of the people who dual boot could do just fine with VMs though. Again, if you are just using Win once a week...why have a native install? I juggled dual, triple, and even quad booting (with a Macbook) for years and it was a ***** to manage backups and share files. With VMs you backup and restore entire "machines" with ease. And if you go with VMware the guest tools make it almost impossible to tell any difference between a native machine and virtual in terms of performance...including graphics.
Already bought Synergy and am just waiting on parts.
Considering running Voidlinux on a Macbook..Just do it.
That's the motivation I need.Considering running Voidlinux on a Macbook..Just do it.
That's what I've heard. I can't wait to try it out and play around with everything.Already bought Synergy and am just waiting on parts.
Absolutely love Synergy. Have been using it for a number of year now... I'd include it as one of my few essential tools.
That's what I've heard. I can't wait to try it out and play around with everything.Already bought Synergy and am just waiting on parts.
Absolutely love Synergy. Have been using it for a number of year now... I'd include it as one of my few essential tools.
Does anyone know if I can do the following:
On a MacBook Pro with OS X and Windows 7, I want to have a virtual machine of Lubuntu that I can run from either Windows or OS X. I'm wondering, if I install it under Windows, can I also boot the VM from OS X? Or am I best setting up a shared drive, locating the VM folder there... then perhaps I can access it from each Windows and OS X?
Sidenote: My MBP is from 2010 and only a dual-core i5 with 8GB of RAM. Oddly enough, I can upgrade to 16 GB of RAM but only Windows will recognize it. I've tried running my Windows bootcamp partition as a VM in OS X and while it works, the performance is too poor to be useful.
Got a new laptop for work. Running Linux Mint 18 instead of Debian because I need kernel 4.4 and some newer packages for hardware support and I didn't want to mess with sid on a work machine.
Is there anything other than Arch?
Really enjoying Linux mint so far, been using it for about a week or so and for a plug and play os it does the job quite well.
I'm freeing myself from Windows one step at a time.
Dont update to Arch Linux - linux 4.7.1-1 (x86_64) its toxic, killed a bunch of stuff on my computer at work, tried to fix but was a no go.
So I got a thinkpad x220 about a week ago [...] one of the known laptops to work [...] with [FreeBSD]
The best thing that I did though, 6-7 years ago, was to drop Outlook. That thing is a heartless bastard.I'm still using Outlook. I haven't found a good Linux alternative.
So I got a thinkpad x220 about a week ago [...] one of the known laptops to work [...] with [FreeBSD]
That says everything about why FreeBSD isn't an option for me with my laptops... I like things to *work*.
In seriousness, I should revisit BSD as a desktop... I do manage a few pfsense devices, but that's just a lazy toe in the water.So I got a thinkpad x220 about a week ago [...] one of the known laptops to work [...] with [FreeBSD]
That says everything about why FreeBSD isn't an option for me with my laptops... I like things to *work*.
lawl, I also wanted something I'd have no qualms about leaving in the trunk of my car when I work, I call it a win win on my part!
In seriousness, I should revisit BSD as a desktop... I do manage a few pfsense devices, but that's just a lazy toe in the water.So I got a thinkpad x220 about a week ago [...] one of the known laptops to work [...] with [FreeBSD]
That says everything about why FreeBSD isn't an option for me with my laptops... I like things to *work*.
lawl, I also wanted something I'd have no qualms about leaving in the trunk of my car when I work, I call it a win win on my part!
Do BSDs support HiDPI?
Seriously, the only thing I can think of when anyone mentions BSD is BDSM.
Seriously, the only thing I can think of when anyone mentions BSD is BDSM.kinky
Seriously, the only thing I can think of when anyone mentions BSD is BDSM.
We have BDSM at work.
Bugs & defects + support & maintenance.
Literally charge codes BD + SM.
Hah that's awesome. :DSeriously, the only thing I can think of when anyone mentions BSD is BDSM.
We have BDSM at work.
Bugs & defects + support & maintenance.
Literally charge codes BD + SM.
I really didn't want to make a new thread for this question since so few probably use Gnome, so here is my question - what do you guys think of Wayland?
I tried the non-default version that came prepackaged with Debian 8/Gnome. At first, it seemed snapper but then my mouse cursor disappeared. I noped through a restart and switched back to default Gnome in my grub menu. Does this make any sense? Am I just being silly or does Wayland have ways to go before I can take advantage of those yummy graphical gains that may or may not be possible with a functional Wayland/Gnome? I'm still very much a noob
I really didn't want to make a new thread for this question since so few probably use Gnome, so here is my question - what do you guys think of Wayland?
I tried the non-default version that came prepackaged with Debian 8/Gnome. At first, it seemed snapper but then my mouse cursor disappeared. I noped through a restart and switched back to default Gnome in my grub menu. Does this make any sense? Am I just being silly or does Wayland have ways to go before I can take advantage of those yummy graphical gains that may or may not be possible with a functional Wayland/Gnome? I'm still very much a noob
I have tried Wayland a couple of times, because it is interesting, and is technically superior to X. It has some nasty bugs from time to time, so I'll give it another year or so. By the looks of it, it should be pretty solid by then. (I used it for a month in the past, with very few issues, but then I switched from an Intel GPU to Nvidia, and things went downhill)
Every time I hear about Wayland I think of https://www.weylandindustries.com/
Every time I hear about Wayland I think of https://www.weylandindustries.com/
Well, at least we know where the LInux guys got the name.
Every time I hear about Wayland I think of https://www.weylandindustries.com/
Well, at least we know where the LInux guys got the name.
Almost.
Got an A instead of an E.
It's the other way round for me :PEvery time I hear about Wayland I think of https://www.weylandindustries.com/
Well, at least we know where the LInux guys got the name.
Almost.
Got an A instead of an E.
I'll take the name Wayland over Mir any day :))
It's the other way round for me :PEvery time I hear about Wayland I think of https://www.weylandindustries.com/
Well, at least we know where the LInux guys got the name.
Almost.
Got an A instead of an E.
I'll take the name Wayland over Mir any day :))
it's just a word for 'peace' :p
it's just a word for 'peace' :p
And this little thing ...
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mir
Maybe I should check out Unity 8 before I download a copy of Ubuntu Gnome.
Well, I guess it's safe to say that Mir will probably beat out Wayland stability wise. From what I've read and seen Ubuntu is basically Linux's productivity/gaming powerhouse.lol, where are you getting this?
Well, I guess it's safe to say that Mir will probably beat out Wayland stability wise. From what I've read and seen Ubuntu is basically Linux's productivity/gaming powerhouse.lol, where are you getting this?
Ubuntu is just a common distro based on Debian. Meanwhile, Canonical has a long history of reinventing the wheel and detachment from upstream/communities. As a result, there are plenty of components that are fundamentally broken in Ubuntu, ranging from kernel to DE components.
Mir is only a part of Canonical's attempt to break into the portable-device market, which has been a major failure thus far. Nobody else really cares.
Mir is a branch of Wayland.Here's your problem. Mir is a display server, whereas Wayland is a protocol.
Phoronix benchmarksI hope you're joking.
Mir is a branch of Wayland.Here's your problem. Mir is a display server, whereas Wayland is a protocol.
Wayland is widely supported by upstream projects and there are plenty of related tools (e.g., Weston, libinput).
Nobody except Canonical cares about Mir. They either have to rely on the rest of the world, or completely reinvent the wheel. Ironically, they're currently just repackaging others' work at this point (XMir, reliance on libinput, libhybris,…)Phoronix benchmarksI hope you're joking.
Ah, I see. I kind of get why Mir is further along in general desktop deployment.Mir isn't "further along" anywhere on desktop. It might show up as an option along with Unity 8 in Ubuntu 16.10 (they already claimed this before 13.10/14.04 too).
I'm not joking when I mention Phoronix. They're the first company I've heard of that routinely does benchmarking with Linux using pretty powerful equipment. If you know of another website that shows what nearly all 9 series Nvidia GPUs (Also 10 series and Titans) can do on various Linux distros as well as Windows 10 please let me know! Seriously! I would love more benchmarking sources. I'll try to work on my hopelessly optimistic approach, this is all so new to me.Look up Moronix.
Ah, I see. I kind of get why Mir is further along in general desktop deployment.Mir isn't "further along" anywhere on desktop. It might show up as an option along with Unity 8 in Ubuntu 16.10 (they already claimed this before 13.10/14.04 too).
Meanwhile, Fedora has been showcased with Wayland for several releases. You can use KDE Plasma or GNOME Hell with Wayland right now. No, it's not entirely production-ready, but it's a real thing—a story similar to, say, PulseAudio.I'm not joking when I mention Phoronix. They're the first company I've heard of that routinely does benchmarking with Linux using pretty powerful equipment. If you know of another website that shows what nearly all 9 series Nvidia GPUs (Also 10 series and Titans) can do on various Linux distros as well as Windows 10 please let me know! Seriously! I would love more benchmarking sources. I'll try to work on my hopelessly optimistic approach, this is all so new to me.Look up Moronix.
Larabel's benchmarks are fundamentally flawed (https://www.reddit.com/r/linux/comments/4g49xn/meta_lift_phoronix_ban/d2eglp4) and he has his own agenda (example (http://www.draketo.de/light/english/free-software/phoronix-distort-results-gcc-llvm-clang-amd-vishera)).
I installed Elementary OS on my old laptop for the sole purpose of trolling my Apple-obsessed family at a wedding this weekend.
I installed Elementary OS on my old laptop for the sole purpose of trolling my Apple-obsessed family at a wedding this weekend.
were you successful?
So I went on a bender this week trying out eye candy DEs and distros, because I wanted something pretty on my laptop. I tried the following:
Ubuntu Unity
Ubuntu GNOME
Manjaro KDE
Linux Mint Cinnamon
Solus Budgie
Elementary OS (Pantheon)
Deepin
Overall, they all look attractive, and my favorites were Deepin and Elementary OS. I admire a design that is visually attractive, easy to navigate, and is something you can work with, rather than work against. But the tradeoff for all of them is limited out-of-the-box customizability and flexibility, as expected. Except Cinnamon and KDE, they both can look pretty and have plenty of customization options, I just annoyed with having to configure my desktop to work how I want. I was looking for something attractive and ready to go for my laptop without much configuration.
I know that I'm repeating well known info, just wanted to share some thoughts about my Linux adventures this past week.
Except Cinnamon and KDE, they both can look pretty and have plenty of customization options, I just annoyed with having to configure my desktop to work how I want.
That says everything about why FreeBSD isn't an option for me with my laptops... I like things to *work*.lawl, I also wanted something I'd have no qualms about leaving in the trunk of my car when I work, I call it a win win on my part!
As I see it, hardware is transient; ultimately disposable. The OS (and keyboard!) is what I interact with, and I've learned buy the hardware to best serve the OS. It doesn't hurt that I tend to build biggish systems, so I generally don't care about the latest driver needed to support some cost-cutting crapification of some subsystem.[1]
As I see it, hardware is transient; ultimately disposable. The OS (and keyboard!) is what I interact with, and I've learned buy the hardware to best serve the OS. It doesn't hurt that I tend to build biggish systems, so I generally don't care about the latest driver needed to support some cost-cutting crapification of some subsystem.[1]
Except Cinnamon and KDE, they both can look pretty and have plenty of customization options, I just annoyed with having to configure my desktop to work how I want.
I found that KDE was good but the learning/adapting curve for Yast was steep and help is hard to get.
Cinnamon seems excellent in almost every way and I have had very few complaints.
However, if you are an Apple guy, then I don't know what to say. Whenever my wife (an Apple worshiper) asks me for help I feel like I am lost in a hostile alien universe. Of course, 90% of her questions are for things that I would do simply in Windows with Control Panel, Disk Management, or add-on utility programs. In Linux, I have to Google for instructions, but they are usually available.
I found Yast entirely too comprehensive and powerful for my OS administration needs.
I know that OpenSUSE tried to make a bigger play for a more casual computer user
but I think the OS needs more refinements to make inroads with the casual user.
I also had some of the wireless connection issues that you have mentioned in your posts.
I know that OpenSUSE tried to make a bigger play for a more casual computer user
but I think the OS needs more refinements to make inroads with the casual user.
I also had some of the wireless connection issues that you have mentioned in your posts.
If OpenSUSE wants to attract casual users, they need to encourage the "gurus" on their forum to not be such epically smug arrogant condescending *******s. I tried to get help on several issues, and generally followed the unspoken rules of being polite, setting the context of the question and the situation where help was needed, and thanking those who helped me.
Of a couple of dozen people who I interacted with over a couple of months' period, there were about 2 who were actually "nice" but not necessarily all that helpful, and quite a few who responded to my questions as if I had invited them to lambast and insult me, without even offering any sort of help. Or cryptic partial/incomplete "answers" that would only be intelligible to an insider.
And worst, some of my problems, such as connectivity issues (wired and wireless) were simply ignored altogether. The whole reason that I selected OpenSUSE was because it seemed to be deeply ingrained in servers and such, so I assumed that help and support in connectivity would be forthcoming.
From what I've read in Debian/Ubuntu/Arch forums what you're describing is pretty common. A new user asks a question and the first response is either something like "thread closed - question has been asked previously by another user" or "your question is incorrect and here is why ..."
An instruction like: "show the results of "x" command" involved things like screenshots to flash drives, re-booting to Windows, etc, etc. Absurd kludge level frustration.…is n00b level 9000.
Okay, so you're actually complaining about normal *technical* troubleshooting? Good to know, because…An instruction like: "show the results of "x" command" involved things like screenshots to flash drives, re-booting to Windows, etc, etc. Absurd kludge level frustration.…is n00b level 9000.
Been there, done that. Back when I was stuck with a winmodem in 2005-2006. I'm deeply ashamed of some garbage I posted as questions back then.
I am not sure what you are saying, but what else can you do if you can't connect?Command output is *text*, thus copy it into a text file instead of making screenshots, if nothing else. A camera is useful for dealing with kernel panics, but that's not the deal here.
Linux Mint user here.
Linux Mint user here.
Another Linux Mint user here. However:
I switch from their main distro to the Linux Mint Debian Edition (LMDE), which is based on Debian.
Have to wait for something like 2 years for the LMDE 3 to come out.
I've been looking for a decent lightweight distro to run as a VM over OSX on my 2010 MacBook Pro (dual-core i5, 8GB RAM). Priorities are performance, reliability, and software availability.
Right now I've settled on Linux Lite as it works very nicely so far, having no problems at all. It doesn't seem to have a software center like Ubuntu, on which it's based, though... this makes it a bit more difficult for a nub such as myself.
I did try Lubuntu as it's even more lightweight with LXDE but it had problems as a VM due to having 2 monitors.
I still use ChaletOS sometimes as it's really pleasant to use.
I've been looking for a decent lightweight distro to run as a VM over OSX on my 2010 MacBook Pro (dual-core i5, 8GB RAM). Priorities are performance, reliability, and software availability.
Right now I've settled on Linux Lite as it works very nicely so far, having no problems at all. It doesn't seem to have a software center like Ubuntu, on which it's based, though... this makes it a bit more difficult for a nub such as myself.
I did try Lubuntu as it's even more lightweight with LXDE but it had problems as a VM due to having 2 monitors.
I still use ChaletOS sometimes as it's really pleasant to use.
I still have my Linux Lite live cd. That distro would be so amazing on a usb 3.0 flash drive. Linux Lite loads amazingly fast on an older computer like the one I have! Even the Live cd loads quickly on my pc! The distro logo is not so bad as well
hm, still using void here. never had a distro work so well and make me not want to touch anything else since the old rc days of arch and pre-systemd debian :O
my wife use LMDE - rock stable as debian, usability of mint
Looking for help.
Decent but aging Acer laptop dual-booting Windows 10 (upgrade from factory Windows 7 install) and Mint 18/Cinnamon.
It has worked perfectly since my last major upgrade a few months ago, but now it will not boot into Mint.
It almost gets there, but then it tells me that Cinnamon has crashed. Regardless of where I try to go from there, it hangs dead until I shut it down with the power button.
Booting into Windows works properly, and grub seems to be doing its job.
It almost gets there, but then it tells me that Cinnamon has crashed. Regardless of where I try to go from there, it hangs dead until I shut it down with the power button.Sounds familiar...
Since it's a laptop, I assume it's two partitions on the same drive?
Have you tried switching over to tty after booting mint? ctrl-alt-f1 should get you to a shell that would at least allow some troubleshooting.
Did you happen to update yesterday and what level are you using for updates?
Default is level 3 for Mint Update, apt update is level 4, experimental/testing is level 5.
Using Apt upgrade and dist-upgrade is level4,
Actually, Linux may not have as much, but what it does have is often comparable and sometimes better than Windows.
The problem is your familiarity with windows, you would have the same problem had you switched to Mac. So why don't you hear Mac users complain? Because Mac users didn't have the option of switching back to Windows to make things easy, it was sink or swim. With Linux, it's easy to just give up after a quick search and boot back into Windows to get the job done, so you never had to dig deep and actually learn where to find these programs. I did this, as have most people who tried Linux, it's human nature, we stick to what we know.
Besides top tier games (it has plenty of games, just not new top tier), I've only found one place Linux truly lacks compared to Windows, and that is Cad programs. Mac only has slightly better CAD support, but what it gains in CAD it gives up in 3d printing support.
Actually, Linux may not have as much, but what it does have is often comparable and sometimes better than Windows.
The problem is your familiarity with windows, you would have the same problem had you switched to Mac. So why don't you hear Mac users complain? Because Mac users didn't have the option of switching back to Windows to make things easy, it was sink or swim. With Linux, it's easy to just give up after a quick search and boot back into Windows to get the job done, so you never had to dig deep and actually learn where to find these programs. I did this, as have most people who tried Linux, it's human nature, we stick to what we know.
Besides top tier games (it has plenty of games, just not new top tier), I've only found one place Linux truly lacks compared to Windows, and that is Cad programs. Mac only has slightly better CAD support, but what it gains in CAD it gives up in 3d printing support.
Actually, Linux may not have as much, but what it does have is often comparable and sometimes better than Windows.
The problem is your familiarity with windows, you would have the same problem had you switched to Mac. So why don't you hear Mac users complain? Because Mac users didn't have the option of switching back to Windows to make things easy, it was sink or swim. With Linux, it's easy to just give up after a quick search and boot back into Windows to get the job done, so you never had to dig deep and actually learn where to find these programs. I did this, as have most people who tried Linux, it's human nature, we stick to what we know.
Besides top tier games (it has plenty of games, just not new top tier), I've only found one place Linux truly lacks compared to Windows, and that is Cad programs. Mac only has slightly better CAD support, but what it gains in CAD it gives up in 3d printing support.
i say this as a dedicated and experienced linux user - dedicated bitmap graphics manipulation and audio recording are also definitely not up to par on linux. i keep a macOS machine around pretty specifically for photoshop and logic pro. yes, there are OPTIONS for linux but still nothing that comes close to professional bitmap graphics or daw software available for macOS or windows.
and yeah i have spent many hours using gimp productively but anybody who argues that gimp is comparable to photoshop hasn't used either enough to convince me.
Actually, Linux may not have as much, but what it does have is often comparable and sometimes better than Windows.
The problem is your familiarity with windows, you would have the same problem had you switched to Mac. So why don't you hear Mac users complain? Because Mac users didn't have the option of switching back to Windows to make things easy, it was sink or swim. With Linux, it's easy to just give up after a quick search and boot back into Windows to get the job done, so you never had to dig deep and actually learn where to find these programs. I did this, as have most people who tried Linux, it's human nature, we stick to what we know.
Besides top tier games (it has plenty of games, just not new top tier), I've only found one place Linux truly lacks compared to Windows, and that is Cad programs. Mac only has slightly better CAD support, but what it gains in CAD it gives up in 3d printing support.
i say this as a dedicated and experienced linux user - dedicated bitmap graphics manipulation and audio recording are also definitely not up to par on linux. i keep a macOS machine around pretty specifically for photoshop and logic pro. yes, there are OPTIONS for linux but still nothing that comes close to professional bitmap graphics or daw software available for macOS or windows.
and yeah i have spent many hours using gimp productively but anybody who argues that gimp is comparable to photoshop hasn't used either enough to convince me.
What are your thoughts on Inkscape? I know that as far as brushes and plugins go there's no contest between Gimp/Photoshop.
Actually, Linux may not have as much, but what it does have is often comparable and sometimes better than Windows.i say this as a dedicated and experienced linux user - dedicated bitmap graphics manipulation and audio recording are also definitely not up to par on linux. i keep a macOS machine around pretty specifically for photoshop and logic pro. yes, there are OPTIONS for linux but still nothing that comes close to professional bitmap graphics or daw software available for macOS or windows.
The problem is your familiarity with windows, you would have the same problem had you switched to Mac. So why don't you hear Mac users complain? Because Mac users didn't have the option of switching back to Windows to make things easy, it was sink or swim. With Linux, it's easy to just give up after a quick search and boot back into Windows to get the job done, so you never had to dig deep and actually learn where to find these programs. I did this, as have most people who tried Linux, it's human nature, we stick to what we know.
Besides top tier games (it has plenty of games, just not new top tier), I've only found one place Linux truly lacks compared to Windows, and that is Cad programs. Mac only has slightly better CAD support, but what it gains in CAD it gives up in 3d printing support.
and yeah i have spent many hours using gimp productively but anybody who argues that gimp is comparable to photoshop hasn't used either enough to convince me.
Gimp drives me insane,
I've been trying Fedora 25 in a VM recently.
Reasonably nice, performs very well, good selection of software available.
Bit there are hundreds of MB of updates every few days (including kernels that require a reboot), and the yum command has been replaced by dnf with subtly different options.
I've been trying Fedora 25 in a VM recently.
Reasonably nice, performs very well, good selection of software available.
Bit there are hundreds of MB of updates every few days (including kernels that require a reboot), and the yum command has been replaced by dnf with subtly different options.
for some reason i was under the impression that fedora didn't update that often because of their aggressive release schedule. but i have never really used it unless it was already installed on a machine i was temporarily using.
Debian for machines I use, sometimes KNOPPIX.
Gentoo or CentOS for servers I run.
Can't help wondering why you only use it on servers though, it was always a bit experimental with stuff randomly breaking so not something I'd want on my server - have things changed that much?
my wife use LMDE - rock stable as debian, usability of mint
Not Linux but I've been toying with the idea of FreeBSD + XFCE.
Debian for machines I use, sometimes KNOPPIX.
Gentoo or CentOS for servers I run.
I used Gentoo until about 10 years ago, anytime I've tried to install since has failed (it's been at least a couple of years since the last attempt...) but it's tempting to try it when I get a working computer again.
Can't help wondering why you only use it on servers though, it was always a bit experimental with stuff randomly breaking so not something I'd want on my server - have things changed that much?
Xubuntu just worked. Everything. Out of the box.
Xubuntu just worked. Everything. Out of the box.
So far, this has been my experience with Mint/Cinnamon, with more pleasing interface to boot.
I'm a power userWhy don't you use a tiling window manager then?
I'm a power userWhy don't you use a tiling window manager then?
I'm a power userWhy don't you use a tiling window manager then?
This. :D
I do. I switch between i3 and XFCE. My whole remark was more about how win10 and OS X Sierra got it so "wrong" in my opinion and that if you want a REGULAR DE for real work, XFCE is superior (compared to OS X and windows nowadays).
When I do writing and research online, I use XFCE.
When I am programming I use i3 and/or terminal using tmux.
I do. I switch between i3 and XFCE. My whole remark was more about how win10 and OS X Sierra got it so "wrong" in my opinion and that if you want a REGULAR DE for real work, XFCE is superior (compared to OS X and windows nowadays).
When I do writing and research online, I use XFCE.
When I am programming I use i3 and/or terminal using tmux.
XFCE is really hard to beat. Fast, efficient, flexible, attractive.
MacOS seems to be getting slow and bloated these days, unfortunately (as has iOS).
Apparently Debian8.7.0 is out now so I did a clean install of that on my spare SSD. All my laptops are running Debian 8.6.0 and i have one ARM TV Box running ARMbian instead of Android.
I do. I switch between i3 and XFCE. My whole remark was more about how win10 and OS X Sierra got it so "wrong" in my opinion and that if you want a REGULAR DE for real work, XFCE is superior (compared to OS X and windows nowadays).
When I do writing and research online, I use XFCE.
When I am programming I use i3 and/or terminal using tmux.
XFCE is really hard to beat. Fast, efficient, flexible, attractive.
MacOS seems to be getting slow and bloated these days, unfortunately (as has iOS).
Yeah exactly. MacOS now feels like Vista. I always thought OS X was more optimized so one day I was using somebody's i5 PC and I was like "wtf it's fast". So then I decided to build my own rig again. It is SOOO FAAAST. Whenever I use my 2010 MacBook Pro (WITH SSD) now, I become agitated because it's so slow.
I do. I switch between i3 and XFCE. My whole remark was more about how win10 and OS X Sierra got it so "wrong" in my opinion and that if you want a REGULAR DE for real work, XFCE is superior (compared to OS X and windows nowadays).
When I do writing and research online, I use XFCE.
When I am programming I use i3 and/or terminal using tmux.
XFCE is really hard to beat. Fast, efficient, flexible, attractive.
MacOS seems to be getting slow and bloated these days, unfortunately (as has iOS).
Yeah exactly. MacOS now feels like Vista. I always thought OS X was more optimized so one day I was using somebody's i5 PC and I was like "wtf it's fast". So then I decided to build my own rig again. It is SOOO FAAAST. Whenever I use my 2010 MacBook Pro (WITH SSD) now, I become agitated because it's so slow.
I have a 2010 MacBook Pro as well (17"). MacOS Sierra runs poorly on it, so I have El Capitan still. But even that runs pretty dismal -- especially Safari.
But when I boot to either Windows or Linux Lite, it runs like a champ. I can smooth stream 3 YouTube videos in 1080p simultaneously and scrub through them quickly with no hiccups, while OSX Safari struggles heavily with just one 1080p video.
I might ditch OSX from it altogether at some point and just use Win/Linux on it.
not to go too OT but i'm curious about all this sierra hate, other than performance which is totally reasonable. maybe my workflow is just totally unaffected by recent changes but honestly i can't really tell the difference between sierra and the last few revisions.
not to go too OT but i'm curious about all this sierra hate, other than performance which is totally reasonable. maybe my workflow is just totally unaffected by recent changes but honestly i can't really tell the difference between sierra and the last few revisions.It needs more ram than many Mac users have and it's quite fickle in regards to the hardware it supports. Apple is using it and El Cap. to purge older hardware from their ranks.
not to go too OT but i'm curious about all this sierra hate, other than performance which is totally reasonable. maybe my workflow is just totally unaffected by recent changes but honestly i can't really tell the difference between sierra and the last few revisions.It needs more ram than many Mac users have and it's quite fickle in regards to the hardware it supports. Apple is using it and El Cap. to purge older hardware from their ranks.
It also implemented some new security features that are causing problems for hardware and software, and some were simply not well thought out. A lot of video cards simply no longer work, others will not resume from suspend, there's really only a handful of video cards that work problem free now out of the box. As of Sierra, connecting to a server's shared drive requires authentication after each restart, Apple eventually released of command line code to reverse it, but if you use a lot of shared drives, especially across multiple servers, it was/is a nightmare.
What do you guys think of the Dell XPS 13 Developer Edition laptop?
link to a review (http://www.zdnet.com/article/2017s-best-linux-laptop-the-latest-dell-xps-13/)
What do you guys think of the Dell XPS 13 Developer Edition laptop?
link to a review (http://www.zdnet.com/article/2017s-best-linux-laptop-the-latest-dell-xps-13/)
It's a nice laptop on the surface, but like iLLucionist said, they have had some issues.
My advice is grab a last generation Lenovo X series (X250). Is it perfect, does it have all the bells and whistles, is it as cool? Nope, but you will get a great deal on it (half the price of the new Dell), it will be less likely to be stolen yet more durable, reliable, and cheap to repair if anything does happen. Which is why I regularly see 10 year old Lenovos still being used on a semi-regular basis. Also, it will take Linux better than most, it's even certified by Ubuntu as being fully compatible.
Blah blah blah Lenovo spyware... The spyware you know (and remove) is better than the spyware you don't.
The spyware that doesn't exist is better than the one that does.Dell shipped desktops with pre-installed malware, they also shipped ENTERPRISE servers with malware.
It's a nice laptop on the surface, but like iLLucionist said, they have had some issues.
My advice is grab a last generation Lenovo X series (X250). Is it perfect, does it have all the bells and whistles, is it as cool? Nope, but you will get a great deal on it (half the price of the new Dell), it will be less likely to be stolen yet more durable, reliable, and cheap to repair if anything does happen. Which is why I regularly see 10 year old Lenovos still being used on a semi-regular basis. Also, it will take Linux better than most, it's even certified by Ubuntu as being fully compatible.
Blah blah blah Lenovo spyware... The spyware you know (and remove) is better than the spyware you don't.
The spyware that doesn't exist is better than the one that does.Dell shipped desktops with pre-installed malware, they also shipped ENTERPRISE servers with malware.
Sony was infecting pc's with a rootkit (you can thank them for all modern rootkits).
HP was shipping ENTERPRISE switches and usb sticks with malware.
Asus shipped laptops with malware.
Apple shipped Ipods with Malware and BBC claims 4k apps are infected on their store.
Samsung shipped laptops with a keylogger and cell phones and picture frames with malware.
So tell me again how you're sure your system is clean.
Ever since there were rumors that win95 came with backdoors, I just accepted that Orwell's 1984 is a reality and that now we're always online, your basically f**ked.
You can think "but I shot facebook down and I avoid google like the plague". But still whenever you visit a site that has google ads or facebook like-button, you are STILL being tracked. And if you could even factor THAT out, you still have ISPs or the mere fact that the NSA monitors all internet traffic anyway since they own the superblocks.
You can't win, you don't have privacy. You can only try to make it more difficult for them, via encryption perhaps.
I haven't figured a way out of this.
Ever since there were rumors that win95 came with backdoors, I just accepted that Orwell's 1984 is a reality and that now we're always online, your basically f**ked.
You can think "but I shot facebook down and I avoid google like the plague". But still whenever you visit a site that has google ads or facebook like-button, you are STILL being tracked. And if you could even factor THAT out, you still have ISPs or the mere fact that the NSA monitors all internet traffic anyway since they own the superblocks.
You can't win, you don't have privacy. You can only try to make it more difficult for them, via encryption perhaps.
I haven't figured a way out of this.
In regards to internet privacy, there are now two schools of thought, hide among the people or stick out and protect yourself.
By burying yourself among the herd, you flood them with data. Use Win10 and Edge, with nothing else installed the idea is that you will get so lost among the herd, no one will ever ID you from your neighbor without a hell of a lot of work. You will also get infected with crap, just like your neighbor. While true on the surface, researchers have been able to sift through AOL data dumps and ID individual users, so it can be done, but sifting through raw data is much more difficult than finding the sore thumb among the crowd.
So really the option is be an easy to spot Linux user, or be a sheep among the flock, hard to spot, but easy to infect. This was proven when the FBI said TOR users are immediately zeroed in on, because why else would you use it and try to be so covert. You may as well paint a target on your head.
If you use Chrome on Windows, you may as well just admit you're part of the herd, but with a numerical ID painted on you, in hot pink. If you do use Chrome on a Mac, you're a hot pink cow with lime green dollar signs. If you use Firefox and Linux, you stick out like an orange cow sitting off to the side like the social outcast you are, but at least you won't catch the fever (or herpes) spreading through the herd.
As for the OS spying on you, realistically, it's not difficult to detect or even stop, spying is pointless if it can't relay information back to a central location. However, to do it right, requires a proxy server where you can analyze everything that comes and goes. I've used them to detect rootkits in the past.
It has an OPEN SOURCE BIOS and an OPEN SOURCE OPERATING SYSTEM. Also I wipe it with a CLEAN CLOTH.The spyware that doesn't exist is better than the one that does.Dell shipped desktops with pre-installed malware, they also shipped ENTERPRISE servers with malware.
Sony was infecting pc's with a rootkit (you can thank them for all modern rootkits).
HP was shipping ENTERPRISE switches and usb sticks with malware.
Asus shipped laptops with malware.
Apple shipped Ipods with Malware and BBC claims 4k apps are infected on their store.
Samsung shipped laptops with a keylogger and cell phones and picture frames with malware.
So tell me again how you're sure your system is clean.
It's a nice laptop on the surface, but like iLLucionist said, they have had some issues.
My advice is grab a last generation Lenovo X series (X250). Is it perfect, does it have all the bells and whistles, is it as cool? Nope, but you will get a great deal on it (half the price of the new Dell), it will be less likely to be stolen yet more durable, reliable, and cheap to repair if anything does happen. Which is why I regularly see 10 year old Lenovos still being used on a semi-regular basis. Also, it will take Linux better than most, it's even certified by Ubuntu as being fully compatible.
Blah blah blah Lenovo spyware... The spyware you know (and remove) is better than the spyware you don't.
I'm probably going for the new X270 with nvme SSD. It has h264/h265 on-die in the cpu (kaby lake) if i'm correctly, so it shouldn't have issues playing 1080p/4k youtube content.
And the keyboard is awesome.
I have to do ACTUAL WORK on laptops, mostly statistiscs (SPSS / R), development (python), and writing, so I want a good keyboard as well.
I HATE the new mackbook pro 2016 keyboard.
It's a nice laptop on the surface, but like iLLucionist said, they have had some issues.
My advice is grab a last generation Lenovo X series (X250). Is it perfect, does it have all the bells and whistles, is it as cool? Nope, but you will get a great deal on it (half the price of the new Dell), it will be less likely to be stolen yet more durable, reliable, and cheap to repair if anything does happen. Which is why I regularly see 10 year old Lenovos still being used on a semi-regular basis. Also, it will take Linux better than most, it's even certified by Ubuntu as being fully compatible.
Blah blah blah Lenovo spyware... The spyware you know (and remove) is better than the spyware you don't.
I'm probably going for the new X270 with nvme SSD. It has h264/h265 on-die in the cpu (kaby lake) if i'm correctly, so it shouldn't have issues playing 1080p/4k youtube content.
And the keyboard is awesome.
I have to do ACTUAL WORK on laptops, mostly statistiscs (SPSS / R), development (python), and writing, so I want a good keyboard as well.
I HATE the new mackbook pro 2016 keyboard.
I would just bump up to a quad core if you have to do actual work. Everytime I try to do actual work on a dual core laptop, there are just too much throttling and bottlenecks.
It's a nice laptop on the surface, but like iLLucionist said, they have had some issues.
My advice is grab a last generation Lenovo X series (X250). Is it perfect, does it have all the bells and whistles, is it as cool? Nope, but you will get a great deal on it (half the price of the new Dell), it will be less likely to be stolen yet more durable, reliable, and cheap to repair if anything does happen. Which is why I regularly see 10 year old Lenovos still being used on a semi-regular basis. Also, it will take Linux better than most, it's even certified by Ubuntu as being fully compatible.
Blah blah blah Lenovo spyware... The spyware you know (and remove) is better than the spyware you don't.
I'm probably going for the new X270 with nvme SSD. It has h264/h265 on-die in the cpu (kaby lake) if i'm correctly, so it shouldn't have issues playing 1080p/4k youtube content.
And the keyboard is awesome.
I have to do ACTUAL WORK on laptops, mostly statistiscs (SPSS / R), development (python), and writing, so I want a good keyboard as well.
I HATE the new mackbook pro 2016 keyboard.
I would just bump up to a quad core if you have to do actual work. Everytime I try to do actual work on a dual core laptop, there are just too much throttling and bottlenecks.
Yeah that's probably true. My Late 2010 MacBook Pro with dual core i7 is not really good at multithreading for some reason. It always fails me.
Also, I have the feeling that virtualization works waaaaay better with 4 cores: 2 for main os, 2 for guest os.
Yea, the argument that I've seen around the web is that if you worried about the performance of dual core i5 vs. i7, just bump up to a quad core because that's where you will get a sizeable performance bump. You lose on size and battery, but will have definite improvements in performance.
Yea, the argument that I've seen around the web is that if you worried about the performance of dual core i5 vs. i7, just bump up to a quad core because that's where you will get a sizeable performance bump. You lose on size and battery, but will have definite improvements in performance.
Size yes.. Battery... we got pretty good gating on the intels nowadays..
This is all very interesting, thanks! I guess you are right. I thought about doubling down on security and going all the way.. using a secure linux, using tor, encrypting all my stuff etc. But like you said, it looks like you have something to hide.
You say it is difficult if you blend into the crowd to notice you. Statistically, that would mean that you deviate little from the mean. As with every algorithm, outliers or extreme deviations from the mean may be interesting. In terms of regression, everybody browsing kittens and 9gag is the mean, but those two persons browsing kiddie pron stand out and do not fit the regression line. So the more you deviate, the more interesting you become for NSA I believe, if you put it in terms of algorithms.
Sorry if that was too much statistics, I'm trying to reason about how the NSA would actually pick you out of the herd, and I guess it is via algorithms, typically based on machine learning and discriminatory analysis. So they need to quantify a way to distinguish the herd from interesting data points (people).
I'm NEVER going back to Mac in the near foreseeable future and I'm now running Win7, which I really like. But in the future I will be forced to upgrade to Win10 or what else we will have. (Alongside, I run xubuntu alongside and/or virtualized within windows to do serious programming work).Funny, I recently switched to a (used) Mac (I looooove the battery life), but I still prefer Linux, and Macs are stupid fickle about which ones are good and which are not (hint, most are pure garbage).
So I'm thinking about building my own hardware router, using iptables etc and then monitoring what win10 tries to do.
Would that be possible? Or is it also technically possible to make particular ip addresses "undetectable" by commonplace network software?
It has an OPEN SOURCE BIOS and an OPEN SOURCE OPERATING SYSTEM. Also I wipe it with a CLEAN CLOTH.A clean cloth solves everything! :))
Yeah that's probably true. My Late 2010 MacBook Pro with dual core i7 is not really good at multithreading for some reason. It always fails me.Well if Apple knew how to add actual ventilation... I mean seriously, every other system with an I5 or 7 has vents, but Apple? "We have vents, right behind this plastic hinge cover blocking your view of it". Yeah, that works, what a bunch of morons. Macbook Air speakers also exhaust there.
Also, I have the feeling that virtualization works waaaaay better with 4 cores: 2 for main os, 2 for guest os.
Sticking out doesn't mean you are doing anything wrong, it just puts a spotlight on you, IF someone is looking, and few are,. and even if they do, they shouldn't just because you use Linux or anything else. It's a choice, not a criminal's tool. You can hack just as much in Windows as you can on Linux, possibly more due to all the scripts out there for it.NSA: Linux Journal is an "extremist forum" and its readers get flagged for extra surveillance (https://www.linuxjournal.com/content/nsa-linux-journal-extremist-forum-and-its-readers-get-flagged-extra-surveillance)
Funny, I recently switched to a (used) Mac (I looooove the battery life), but I still prefer Linux, and Macs are stupid fickle about which ones are good and which are not (hint, most are pure garbage).
Anyhow...
Win7 will become outdated, at some point you really won't have a choice and will have to go to Win10. Companies will not support it on newer hardware, and unlike XP which they waited a long time to kill, this has already started with Win7 thanks to MS, AMD and Intel (Thanks jerks!). Now that they have stopped, other companies will soon follow their lead. I give it 2 years before the average person and even casual enthusiast has to throw in the towel and go to Win10. I hate to say that, but that just seems how it's going. If MS stopped it would be one thing, but Intel and AMD as well, yeah, you're screwed. And it won't be overnight, all will seem well, and then one day you need a new printer or wifi card and you will be scouring store shelves looking for the rare one that still has support.
As for Win10, why build an entire system to monitor and filter it, I find that an insanely complex and costly solution. Shut it off at the source!
Get something like Win10Privacy and have it disable updates, all the IP addresses and domains (you can actually shut down MS updates just by killing the service, but it won't kill telemetry like this will). It's not the easiest or most obvious thing to use, but it's not too terrible. If you can install Windows or Linux or even consider building your firewall/proxy server, you can do it.
Well if Apple knew how to add actual ventilation... I mean seriously, every other system with an I5 or 7 has vents, but Apple? "We have vents, right behind this plastic hinge cover blocking your view of it". Yeah, that works, what a bunch of morons. Macbook Air speakers also exhaust there.
Check your bios settings, sometimes they conflict with virtual environments. Some manufactures took heat for permanently disabling virtualization in bios (Sony was one of them). It took a decent bios hack to fix it.
In most cases, the jump from I5 to I7 isn't a big deal unless you are doing virtualization. Virtualization is one of the few places where hyperthreading and multi-cores (both help) will really come into play and make a truly noticeable difference.
I only get flying helicopters from the Haskell compiler on Mac.
I switched to PC (Linux or Win7) because of 3 reasons. Not to bash, but to give some insight into why I made my choice, because I thought 2 years about switching away from Mac. Have been using mac since 1997:Actually I only got it (used) because there's pretty much nothing comparable to the Macbook Air (which is fantastic for travel), but yes, they are terrible for repairs, it scares the hell out of me (to the extent I may sell it). I wouldn't buy a Mac new, especially the latest one and unless you are willing to give up doing real work, I don't recommend them to anyone really, I just found it funny we went opposite directions.
Well, security analysts found that even if you block ip addresses and lock down win10, it has hardcoded telemetry ip addresses into it. So you literally need some way external to you Win10 machine to block off all telemetry communication with the internet.This is why you use something like Win10Privacy to strip those systems from the OS. It doesn't block them, it removes and disables all of it.
I still feel that Apple computers remain quiet... IF YOU DON'T DO stuff with them (like browsing or text editing). Whenever I run virtual machine, or even a python interpreter in the terminal the fans kick in.I find it hilarious that people buy them for video work when they are such terrible workstations.
It has an OPEN SOURCE BIOS and an OPEN SOURCE OPERATING SYSTEM. Also I wipe it with a CLEAN CLOTH.The spyware that doesn't exist is better than the one that does.Dell shipped desktops with pre-installed malware, they also shipped ENTERPRISE servers with malware.
Sony was infecting pc's with a rootkit (you can thank them for all modern rootkits).
HP was shipping ENTERPRISE switches and usb sticks with malware.
Asus shipped laptops with malware.
Apple shipped Ipods with Malware and BBC claims 4k apps are infected on their store.
Samsung shipped laptops with a keylogger and cell phones and picture frames with malware.
So tell me again how you're sure your system is clean.
Does anybody like modern KDE?
Does anybody like modern KDE Plasma?FTFY
Does anybody like modern KDE?
Does anybody like modern KDE?I used KDE for a while. It does one thing better than any other desktop, which is managing multiple monitors. It is the only DE I've tried that can deal properly with assigning the primary monitor in a 3-monitor setup to the right-hand display. With KDE, you can use folder view with the folder being the Desktop folder and keep the desktop icons on the right-hand monitor. With all other desktop environments that I have tried, the icons end up on the far left-hand monitor -- a consequence of the multiple monitors being seen as one large display.
Any user preferences on a lightweight Linux distro to run off a thumb drive IE on a keychain?Ubuntu based, if only for the drivers it has, lighter distros often skimp on drivers. I used to use Ubuntu, but I'm using mint for that now.
I think I'm going to go ahead and dual boot Elementary OS, anyone use it? I've heard good things.I have a love hate relationship with it.
thank you, so something Ubuntu based so I have broad driver compatibility?Any user preferences on a lightweight Linux distro to run off a thumb drive IE on a keychain?Ubuntu based, if only for the drivers it has, lighter distros often skimp on drivers. I used to use Ubuntu, but I'm using mint for that now.
I think I'm going to go ahead and dual boot Elementary OS, anyone use it? I've heard good things.I have a love hate relationship with it.
As it has aged, they removed more and more of the ability to customize it, and because of this, on some systems, the menu/start screen/whatever they want to call it, can look fine, or it can be comically large.
That said, if you want an OSX interface, try Mint, move the taskbar up top, use an OSX theme, and install Cairo dock. I find this combo MUCH more usable and tuneable.
Yes.thank you, so something Ubuntu based so I have broad driver compatibility?Any user preferences on a lightweight Linux distro to run off a thumb drive IE on a keychain?Ubuntu based, if only for the drivers it has, lighter distros often skimp on drivers. I used to use Ubuntu, but I'm using mint for that now.
I have been using Ubuntu MATE for the past two months and can't see myself changing anytime soon. It runs beautifully on my x230 and has everything I could possibly want.
I am a bit embarrassed about installing Linux Mint on wife's laptop after her Windows started failing. We had to downgrade from 18 to 17.3 because the former was insufferable; and even in the latter, there is a bug on a bug :(
Not sure about the changes. The most annoying issue was the machine hanging when trying to change users.I am a bit embarrassed about installing Linux Mint on wife's laptop after her Windows started failing. We had to downgrade from 18 to 17.3 because the former was insufferable; and even in the latter, there is a bug on a bug :(
What changes did you have issue with in Mint 18? I installed it on a couple of my machines because I needed the new kernel and it was easier to just install 18 than to try to upgrade the kernel from 17.3. I've only noticed one problem I'd consider major, and it's an issue with my touchpad (which I never notice because I use a real mouse most of the time anyway).
Not sure about the changes. The most annoying issue was the machine hanging when trying to change users.I am a bit embarrassed about installing Linux Mint on wife's laptop after her Windows started failing. We had to downgrade from 18 to 17.3 because the former was insufferable; and even in the latter, there is a bug on a bug :(
What changes did you have issue with in Mint 18? I installed it on a couple of my machines because I needed the new kernel and it was easier to just install 18 than to try to upgrade the kernel from 17.3. I've only noticed one problem I'd consider major, and it's an issue with my touchpad (which I never notice because I use a real mouse most of the time anyway).
i just installed slackware for the first time (only took me about 15 years of using linux to get around to it) and holy cow, it "just works" better than ubuntu as long as you don't mind some old stable packages.
:-[ :-[ :-[i just installed slackware for the first time (only took me about 15 years of using linux to get around to it) and holy cow, it "just works" better than ubuntu as long as you don't mind some old stable packages.
15 years to install slackware? Slacking off a bit, slacker.
Does anyone know of a good way to have Linux installed on its own drive as a second OS, but be able to run it through the other via virtualization sometimes?https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comparison_of_VMware_Fusion_and_Parallels_Desktop
For example, on Mac, you can install Windows on its own partition and boot directly to it, but you can also use Paralells/VMware to boot that same Windows partition from Mac.
Thanks!
Does anyone know of a good way to have Linux installed on its own drive as a second OS, but be able to run it through the other via virtualization sometimes?https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comparison_of_VMware_Fusion_and_Parallels_Desktop
For example, on Mac, you can install Windows on its own partition and boot directly to it, but you can also use Paralells/VMware to boot that same Windows partition from Mac.
Thanks!
Does anyone know of a good way to have Linux installed on its own drive as a second OS, but be able to run it through the other via virtualization sometimes?https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comparison_of_VMware_Fusion_and_Parallels_Desktop
For example, on Mac, you can install Windows on its own partition and boot directly to it, but you can also use Paralells/VMware to boot that same Windows partition from Mac.
Thanks!
Thank you for the reply. I can't seem to find the answer I'm looking for there.
I know they can both run a fully installed bootcamp partition of Windows as a virtual machine in Mac, and it's very easy to do.
It seems that running a full install of Linux on your second drive as a VM is different. I've found a few things on it that show some complex steps and many critical warnings because of how delicate it can be.
I'm hoping to find that it's easier to do now, just as easy as it would be with bootcamp Windows as virtual on Mac via Parallels/VMware.
Heck, I'm not even sure how well I can triple-boot my Mac with Windows and Linux as it seems you need a new bootloader. I'm slowly learning here. :-X
Actually, despite what Wikipedia says Parralles stopped supporting Linux on Boot Camp partitions a release or two ago or it's an older Ubuntu, I forget, but it's not current one way or another. I haven't tried it in VMWare. Either way, even with Boot Camp Windows, you really should decide if you want to use it through Paralells or boot direct and not flip back and forth, not only because of possible data corruption, but because it messes with Windows and licensing.Does anyone know of a good way to have Linux installed on its own drive as a second OS, but be able to run it through the other via virtualization sometimes?https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comparison_of_VMware_Fusion_and_Parallels_Desktop
For example, on Mac, you can install Windows on its own partition and boot directly to it, but you can also use Paralells/VMware to boot that same Windows partition from Mac.
Thanks!
Thank you for the reply. I can't seem to find the answer I'm looking for there.
I know they can both run a fully installed bootcamp partition of Windows as a virtual machine in Mac, and it's very easy to do.
It seems that running a full install of Linux on your second drive as a VM is different. I've found a few things on it that show some complex steps and many critical warnings because of how delicate it can be.
I'm hoping to find that it's easier to do now, just as easy as it would be with bootcamp Windows as virtual on Mac via Parallels/VMware.
Heck, I'm not even sure how well I can triple-boot my Mac with Windows and Linux as it seems you need a new bootloader. I'm slowly learning here. :-X
Actually, despite what Wikipedia says Parralles stopped supporting Linux on Boot Camp partitions a release or two ago or it's an older Ubuntu, I forget, but it's not current one way or another. I haven't tried it in VMWare. Either way, even with Boot Camp Windows, you really should decide if you want to use it through Paralells or boot direct and not flip back and forth, not only because of possible data corruption, but because it messes with Windows and licensing.Does anyone know of a good way to have Linux installed on its own drive as a second OS, but be able to run it through the other via virtualization sometimes?https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comparison_of_VMware_Fusion_and_Parallels_Desktop
For example, on Mac, you can install Windows on its own partition and boot directly to it, but you can also use Paralells/VMware to boot that same Windows partition from Mac.
Thanks!
Thank you for the reply. I can't seem to find the answer I'm looking for there.
I know they can both run a fully installed bootcamp partition of Windows as a virtual machine in Mac, and it's very easy to do.
It seems that running a full install of Linux on your second drive as a VM is different. I've found a few things on it that show some complex steps and many critical warnings because of how delicate it can be.
I'm hoping to find that it's easier to do now, just as easy as it would be with bootcamp Windows as virtual on Mac via Parallels/VMware.
Heck, I'm not even sure how well I can triple-boot my Mac with Windows and Linux as it seems you need a new bootloader. I'm slowly learning here. :-X
As for triple booting your Mac, it can be done.
As mentioned, rEFInd will do it. My advice though, is to backup EVERYTHING and plan on spending a weekend setting it up, including re-installing Mac (because you have a high chance of messing it up).
Last time I did it (I think this was how i did it), I installed Mac (or used existing Mac), then Windows using Boot Camp. When partitioning for Windows, make the drive how large you want Windows and Linux combined, so if you want 60gigs for Windows and 40gigs for Linux, make a 100gig Boot Camp partition for Windows. One Windows is installed, I used a Mint install disk to shrink the Windows partition and create my Linux partitions. Now use Linux to install rEFInd, as installing through Mac or Windows causes weird problems with security, this bypasses that problem. You may have to install rEFInd a second time, but it works fine after. Then restart, using the rEFInd boot menu, launch the Linux installer and install into the new partition. Done.
Thank you for the detailed advice Leslieann!You're welcome.
I don't really want to risk messing up my Windows or Mac installs trying to install Linux as a third boot.
Maybe the best thing to do is run it in a VM only. My MacBook Pro is a 2010 i5/8 GB, though, so I'm not sure how well it will run.
It's also my understanding that if you give 2 CPUs to a VM (which is actually 2 out of 4 threads), it has to wait for both to be available which can cause worse performance... so is it better to just allocate 1 CPU to the VM, I wonder.
Thanks again!
Any opinions as to whether VirtualBox or VMware Workstation Player (ie. the free one) would be better for running a lightweight, desktop instance of Linux?
Any opinions as to whether VirtualBox or VMware Workstation Player (ie. the free one) would be better for running a lightweight, desktop instance of Linux?
Ubuntu, I keep it simple
Ubuntu, I keep it simple
< insert elitist definition of simplicity here >
But, systemd :(
Ubuntu, I keep it simple
< insert elitist definition of simplicity here >
Hi guy.
Mint and Antergos Arch user here.
Linux user for the last 10ish or so years :)
I've found both to be quite good.Hi guy.
Mint and Antergos Arch user here.
Linux user for the last 10ish or so years :)
How do you like Antergos? Work smoothly for the most part?
I've found both to be quite good.Hi guy.
Mint and Antergos Arch user here.
Linux user for the last 10ish or so years :)
How do you like Antergos? Work smoothly for the most part?
I like Antergos, it's a tad faster than Mint (just barely), but it's a quite a bit less noob friendly and much more likely to trash itself.
Antergos is great, but it tends to be far more on the bleeding edge so odds of you downloading an update that kills it, is far more likely, and when it does, the support channel is not nearly what Mint/Ubuntu's is because Antergos is based on Arch and Arch expects you to know what you are doing. So instead of someone handing you a solution in a forum post, you end up trolling the bug lists and trying to figure out the problem. While easy to install, upkeep and troubleshooting is still Arch Linux and not for the feint of heart.
Yeah. It is more or less like that.
I always try to find an alternative for cinnamon and mint, but the stability and customisation and speed always pulls me back.
They made a kick ass job of it. And I'll probably will always be my go to distro.
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Thanks for the replies. I've tried Antergos and like it, but I prefer more hand-holding and don't need bleeding edge for my Linux usage. For what it's worth, I have been using Manjaro for probably six months now and had very few issues that I didn't cause myself. I know that it's not as pure Arch as something like Antergos, but I like it for what it is.Use what works for you.
And I agree, Linux Mint does a great job for what it is trying to accomplish.
How is Linux Mint with Cinnamon speedy? So far Linux Mint with Cinnamon is one of the bulkiest distros I've tried. Stable and easy customization yes, but I wouldn't call it speedy.I've never seen an issue with speed on it.
Thanks for the replies. I've tried Antergos and like it, but I prefer more hand-holding and don't need bleeding edge for my Linux usage. For what it's worth, I have been using Manjaro for probably six months now and had very few issues that I didn't cause myself. I know that it's not as pure Arch as something like Antergos, but I like it for what it is.Use what works for you.
And I agree, Linux Mint does a great job for what it is trying to accomplish.
Don't let the hardcore crowd tell you you "need" to be using something else.How is Linux Mint with Cinnamon speedy? So far Linux Mint with Cinnamon is one of the bulkiest distros I've tried. Stable and easy customization yes, but I wouldn't call it speedy.I've never seen an issue with speed on it.
Are there faster? Of course, but I've never really seen it run slower than any other distros, including light weight ones.
That could be par of it, I turn off animations right away on any os I use.Thanks for the replies. I've tried Antergos and like it, but I prefer more hand-holding and don't need bleeding edge for my Linux usage. For what it's worth, I have been using Manjaro for probably six months now and had very few issues that I didn't cause myself. I know that it's not as pure Arch as something like Antergos, but I like it for what it is.Use what works for you.
And I agree, Linux Mint does a great job for what it is trying to accomplish.
Don't let the hardcore crowd tell you you "need" to be using something else.How is Linux Mint with Cinnamon speedy? So far Linux Mint with Cinnamon is one of the bulkiest distros I've tried. Stable and easy customization yes, but I wouldn't call it speedy.I've never seen an issue with speed on it.
Are there faster? Of course, but I've never really seen it run slower than any other distros, including light weight ones.
In my experience, it runs about that same as Gnome/KDE/Mate when I turn off compositing, animations, etc. Something changed somewhere between 2012 and now. Mint 13 with Cinnamon used less system resources iirc
Did anyone use the (now defunct) distro CrunchBang (https://distrowatch.com/table.php?distribution=crunchbang)?
I heard about it on a podcast and tried it - it was great, but I needed something else at the time and so removed it.
Later on when I went back to try it again it had gone away for good.
If you're interested in something along the same lines, take a look at BunsenLabs or Crunchbang++. BunsenLabs seems to be a bit more actively maintained.
Did anyone use the (now defunct) distro CrunchBang (https://distrowatch.com/table.php?distribution=crunchbang)?
I heard about it on a podcast and tried it - it was great, but I needed something else at the time and so removed it.
Later on when I went back to try it again it had gone away for good.
I did, for several years. Nice little lightweight distro. When it went by the wayside, I made myself a minimal, openbox-based Debian Jessie install for my main rig. While that's no longer my primary machine, I really enjoyed it.
If you're interested in something along the same lines, take a look at BunsenLabs or Crunchbang++. BunsenLabs seems to be a bit more actively maintained.
i was pretty into crunchbang for a while. i even made one of the wallpapers that shipped with it for a long time :O
So did anyone else hear the news? Unity is dead. Ubuntu is giing back to GNOME as the default desktop.
https://insights.ubuntu.com/2017/04/05/growing-ubuntu-for-cloud-and-iot-rather-than-phone-and-convergence/
Did anyone use the (now defunct) distro CrunchBang (https://distrowatch.com/table.php?distribution=crunchbang)?
I heard about it on a podcast and tried it - it was great, but I needed something else at the time and so removed it.
Later on when I went back to try it again it had gone away for good.
So did anyone else hear the news? Unity is dead. Ubuntu is giing back to GNOME as the default desktop.Doesn't bother me that much tbh. I always liked gnome.
https://insights.ubuntu.com/2017/04/05/growing-ubuntu-for-cloud-and-iot-rather-than-phone-and-convergence/
My wife's laptop, which runs Mint 17, would call a random Skype contact on wake up... Without unlocking. Or even showing a log in window. Or any other controls.This sounds like a Skype bug (shocker!). Don;'t forget, underneath Mint is Ubuntu, so your new system could very well have the same bug.
The machine wakes up, but there's no login screen in the X session and no available controls.My wife's laptop, which runs Mint 17, would call a random Skype contact on wake up... Without unlocking. Or even showing a log in window. Or any other controls.This sounds like a Skype bug (shocker!).
My wife's laptop, which runs Mint 17, would call a random Skype contact on wake up... Without unlocking. Or even showing a log in window. Or any other controls.This sounds like a Skype bug (shocker!). Don;'t forget, underneath Mint is Ubuntu, so your new system could very well have the same bug.
I finished my Mac experiments and have gone back to Linux (glad that's over).
I keep coming back to Antergos, so long as you run LTS and not bleeding edge, it works fantastic. All of the benefits of Arch and Ubuntu/Mint, without the hassle.
What do you mean by "Mac experiments"?I was running Mac laptop (nothing PC competes with the 11in Air) and built a hackintosh for a bit but it was more to see if it stuck.
What do you mean by "Mac experiments"?I was running Mac laptop (nothing PC competes with the 11in Air) and built a hackintosh for a bit but it was more to see if it stuck.
It didn't.
One interesting thing to note...
Compared to Linux and Windows, Macs do not scale well. While they are very memory efficient (better than Linux and Windows), adding a faster processor, drive and even more memory did very little in terms of performance gains.
I'll probably be doing a write up on the experience soon, probably be a good read for those considering an OS swap as I'm well versed in Mac (and Hackintosh), Linux and Windows.
What do you mean by "Mac experiments"?I was running Mac laptop (nothing PC competes with the 11in Air) and built a hackintosh for a bit but it was more to see if it stuck.
It didn't.
One interesting thing to note...
Compared to Linux and Windows, Macs do not scale well. While they are very memory efficient (better than Linux and Windows), adding a faster processor, drive and even more memory did very little in terms of performance gains.
I'll probably be doing a write up on the experience soon, probably be a good read for those considering an OS swap as I'm well versed in Mac (and Hackintosh), Linux and Windows.
What do you mean by "Mac experiments"?I was running Mac laptop (nothing PC competes with the 11in Air) and built a hackintosh for a bit but it was more to see if it stuck.
It didn't.
One interesting thing to note...
Compared to Linux and Windows, Macs do not scale well. While they are very memory efficient (better than Linux and Windows), adding a faster processor, drive and even more memory did very little in terms of performance gains.
I'll probably be doing a write up on the experience soon, probably be a good read for those considering an OS swap as I'm well versed in Mac (and Hackintosh), Linux and Windows.
Interesting you say that. My "true" mac is a late 2010 MacBook Pro. Recently, I built a hackintosh for my mom: i5 6500 3.2 GHz, 16GB DDR4 2333 MHz, Samsung 850 Pro 512 GB, and the Asus H170 Pro. I expected it to be amazingly fast with OS X. You know... not mobile hardware like all Apple products except the Mac Pro (iMac, Mac Mini all use mobile versions of intel hardware and graphics).
I always first install xubuntu or some other linux to see how the system performs. It was sick fast. Fast boot, instant everything.
Then I installed Sierra. There is noticeable lag with EVERYTHING. *click* system preferences --> 4 second wait. *click* finder --> 3 second wait. *click* safari already open, new window --> 2 second wait.
Why is it not instant? Why the wait? It really feels like vista. I mean, why has OS X been so slow since Yosemite? Why is an UI make-over so taxing on the OS's performance?
I think Apple is gimping their systems intentionally, or at least ignoring it.What do you mean by "Mac experiments"?I was running Mac laptop (nothing PC competes with the 11in Air) and built a hackintosh for a bit but it was more to see if it stuck.
It didn't.
One interesting thing to note...
Compared to Linux and Windows, Macs do not scale well. While they are very memory efficient (better than Linux and Windows), adding a faster processor, drive and even more memory did very little in terms of performance gains.
I'll probably be doing a write up on the experience soon, probably be a good read for those considering an OS swap as I'm well versed in Mac (and Hackintosh), Linux and Windows.
Interesting you say that. My "true" mac is a late 2010 MacBook Pro. Recently, I built a hackintosh for my mom: i5 6500 3.2 GHz, 16GB DDR4 2333 MHz, Samsung 850 Pro 512 GB, and the Asus H170 Pro. I expected it to be amazingly fast with OS X. You know... not mobile hardware like all Apple products except the Mac Pro (iMac, Mac Mini all use mobile versions of intel hardware and graphics).
I always first install xubuntu or some other linux to see how the system performs. It was sick fast. Fast boot, instant everything.
Then I installed Sierra. There is noticeable lag with EVERYTHING. *click* system preferences --> 4 second wait. *click* finder --> 3 second wait. *click* safari already open, new window --> 2 second wait.
Why is it not instant? Why the wait? It really feels like vista. I mean, why has OS X been so slow since Yosemite? Why is an UI make-over so taxing on the OS's performance?
I think Apple is gimping their systems intentionally, or at least ignoring it.What do you mean by "Mac experiments"?I was running Mac laptop (nothing PC competes with the 11in Air) and built a hackintosh for a bit but it was more to see if it stuck.
It didn't.
One interesting thing to note...
Compared to Linux and Windows, Macs do not scale well. While they are very memory efficient (better than Linux and Windows), adding a faster processor, drive and even more memory did very little in terms of performance gains.
I'll probably be doing a write up on the experience soon, probably be a good read for those considering an OS swap as I'm well versed in Mac (and Hackintosh), Linux and Windows.
Interesting you say that. My "true" mac is a late 2010 MacBook Pro. Recently, I built a hackintosh for my mom: i5 6500 3.2 GHz, 16GB DDR4 2333 MHz, Samsung 850 Pro 512 GB, and the Asus H170 Pro. I expected it to be amazingly fast with OS X. You know... not mobile hardware like all Apple products except the Mac Pro (iMac, Mac Mini all use mobile versions of intel hardware and graphics).
I always first install xubuntu or some other linux to see how the system performs. It was sick fast. Fast boot, instant everything.
Then I installed Sierra. There is noticeable lag with EVERYTHING. *click* system preferences --> 4 second wait. *click* finder --> 3 second wait. *click* safari already open, new window --> 2 second wait.
Why is it not instant? Why the wait? It really feels like vista. I mean, why has OS X been so slow since Yosemite? Why is an UI make-over so taxing on the OS's performance?
It's possible Apple is primarily focused on efficiency in order to facilitate the switch to ARM chips without a performance loss. Doing so however may be crippling high end performance.
My macbook is completely silent on brew update.
MacBook Pro, mid 2014, i7 3GHz, 16GB 1600Mhz DDR3, Intel Iris 1536MB, Yosemite.My macbook is completely silent on brew update.
What MacBook do you have?
I use CentOS at work (typically just SSH'd in from Win10) and Rasbian on my Pi.
in my experience yum sucks. Is that fixed? Is there a good package manager on redhat/centos nowadays?DNF isn't even new.
no yum still sucks
Debian user reporting in.
From Arch to Ubuntu? That's odd
Is it like... a religion? Like CentOS is based off of the "most widely used red hat distro in the whole industry". And people are like "shiiiit i must have this yo" amongst sysadmins?Support.
Is it like... a religion? Like CentOS is based off of the "most widely used red hat distro in the whole industry". And people are like "shiiiit i must have this yo" amongst sysadmins?Support.
It's an entirely different league, if you're running something critical enough. It's the whole ecosystem, though, with standardized admin certifications and what not. Only SUSE comes close.Is it like... a religion? Like CentOS is based off of the "most widely used red hat distro in the whole industry". And people are like "shiiiit i must have this yo" amongst sysadmins?Support.
Community or paid? Is corporate support from red hat really that better than from canonical?
It's an entirely different league, if you're running something critical enough. It's the whole ecosystem, though, with standardized admin certifications and what not. Only SUSE comes close.Is it like... a religion? Like CentOS is based off of the "most widely used red hat distro in the whole industry". And people are like "shiiiit i must have this yo" amongst sysadmins?Support.
Community or paid? Is corporate support from red hat really that better than from canonical?
Got my grandma to use Ubuntu since her laptop was so old Windows 7 was too demanding for it.I found the same with my mom.
Her time with Ubuntu has proven to me that end users can definitely use Linux perfectly fine. She's been using Ubuntu for months and has had no issues performing day to day activities on it. She also enjoys the overall look and feel of Ubuntu more than Windows 7.
Lesson to be learned here: If my grandma can learn to use Linux then so can you.
Got my grandma to use Ubuntu since her laptop was so old Windows 7 was too demanding for it.
Her time with Ubuntu has proven to me that end users can definitely use Linux perfectly fine. She's been using Ubuntu for months and has had no issues performing day to day activities on it. She also enjoys the overall look and feel of Ubuntu more than Windows 7.
Lesson to be learned here: If my grandma can learn to use Linux then so can you.
Got my grandma to use Ubuntu since her laptop was so old Windows 7 was too demanding for it.I found the same with my mom.
Her time with Ubuntu has proven to me that end users can definitely use Linux perfectly fine. She's been using Ubuntu for months and has had no issues performing day to day activities on it. She also enjoys the overall look and feel of Ubuntu more than Windows 7.
Lesson to be learned here: If my grandma can learn to use Linux then so can you.
Put her on Linux Mint, and no problems other than a sound issue, it was FAR less problematic than I expected.
However, handing her an Ipad. Oh god...
Apple has seriously lost touch with their old ethos of being easy to use.
sysadmins are really not installing packages all the time. occasionally, sure, but yum is Good Enough given the other advantages.
there's really no reason to be so flabbergasted that some people have different vendor requirements when it comes to their distro of choice!
But perhaps nowadays it is much better.It's come a long ways in the last few years.
sysadmins are really not installing packages all the time. occasionally, sure, but yum is Good Enough given the other advantages.
there's really no reason to be so flabbergasted that some people have different vendor requirements when it comes to their distro of choice!
I respect all that. But my memories of yum are SO SO BAD that I cannot imagine people PREFERRING it over alternatives.
But perhaps nowadays it is much better.It's come a long ways in the last few years.
Got my grandma to use Ubuntu since her laptop was so old Windows 7 was too demanding for it.I have some really cheap clients, ubuntu was perfect for them.
Her time with Ubuntu has proven to me that end users can definitely use Linux perfectly fine. She's been using Ubuntu for months and has had no issues performing day to day activities on it. She also enjoys the overall look and feel of Ubuntu more than Windows 7.
Lesson to be learned here: If my grandma can learn to use Linux then so can you.
Got my grandma to use Ubuntu since her laptop was so old Windows 7 was too demanding for it.I have some really cheap clients, ubuntu was perfect for them.
Her time with Ubuntu has proven to me that end users can definitely use Linux perfectly fine. She's been using Ubuntu for months and has had no issues performing day to day activities on it. She also enjoys the overall look and feel of Ubuntu more than Windows 7.
Lesson to be learned here: If my grandma can learn to use Linux then so can you.
They had to compromise on some things (she used some edu site that didn't work on anything but win) but all in all they're satisfied.
Got my grandma to use Ubuntu since her laptop was so old Windows 7 was too demanding for it.
Her time with Ubuntu has proven to me that end users can definitely use Linux perfectly fine. She's been using Ubuntu for months and has had no issues performing day to day activities on it. She also enjoys the overall look and feel of Ubuntu more than Windows 7.
Lesson to be learned here: If my grandma can learn to use Linux then so can you.
Still on Manjaro i3 as I config Arch i3 in VM. The Vanilla only uses 90mb of ram (100mb < Manjaro i3). That's nice.
But Manjaro doesn't use systemd :P
Grandma approvedGot my grandma to use Ubuntu since her laptop was so old Windows 7 was too demanding for it.
Her time with Ubuntu has proven to me that end users can definitely use Linux perfectly fine. She's been using Ubuntu for months and has had no issues performing day to day activities on it. She also enjoys the overall look and feel of Ubuntu more than Windows 7.
Lesson to be learned here: If my grandma can learn to use Linux then so can you.
Lol, write to the Ubuntu people and they can use it as a testimonial.
no yum still sucks
Respectfully, for the love of god why do SYSADMINS use CentOS if the thing that you are doing very often sucks the most, which is the package manager 'yum'.
Is it like... a religion? Like CentOS is based off of the "most widely used red hat distro in the whole industry". And people are like "shiiiit i must have this yo" amongst sysadmins?
no yum still sucks
Respectfully, for the love of god why do SYSADMINS use CentOS if the thing that you are doing very often sucks the most, which is the package manager 'yum'.
Is it like... a religion? Like CentOS is based off of the "most widely used red hat distro in the whole industry". And people are like "shiiiit i must have this yo" amongst sysadmins?
It's just like the windows kids ... They want someone there to hold their hand while they venture into computerland and will give them support when things go TU
Our manager tried to get us to standardize on CentOS because "everyone" in the industry is using RHEL... but we just told him to shove it and ran ubuntu lts :p
Yeah... niceeeee. I like Ubuntu LTS very much. Never a hiccup so far **knock on my wood**Yeah I haven't had a single error so far with my Ubuntu LTS server install.
Yeah... niceeeee. I like Ubuntu LTS very much. Never a hiccup so far **knock on my wood**Yeah I haven't had a single error so far with my Ubuntu LTS server install.
Usually clone it each month so I can always go back if I need to. So far I haven't.
Basically yes.Yeah... niceeeee. I like Ubuntu LTS very much. Never a hiccup so far **knock on my wood**Yeah I haven't had a single error so far with my Ubuntu LTS server install.
Usually clone it each month so I can always go back if I need to. So far I haven't.
Tell me about cloning... you clone the partitions? And then set them back if things go haywire?
Basically yes.Yeah... niceeeee. I like Ubuntu LTS very much. Never a hiccup so far **knock on my wood**Yeah I haven't had a single error so far with my Ubuntu LTS server install.
Usually clone it each month so I can always go back if I need to. So far I haven't.
Tell me about cloning... you clone the partitions? And then set them back if things go haywire?
I clone the entire drive where the install is (120gb ssd) to a storage drive.
Then if I **** something up I just go back a month. :P
I use CloneZilla. I've found it to be the easiest method for me.Basically yes.Yeah... niceeeee. I like Ubuntu LTS very much. Never a hiccup so far **knock on my wood**Yeah I haven't had a single error so far with my Ubuntu LTS server install.
Usually clone it each month so I can always go back if I need to. So far I haven't.
Tell me about cloning... you clone the partitions? And then set them back if things go haywire?
I clone the entire drive where the install is (120gb ssd) to a storage drive.
Then if I **** something up I just go back a month. :P
Do you use dd? How do you put it back? live cd --> mount internal volume --> mount external volume --> dd from external to internal --> run grub-install --> reboot?
I gave Fedora another chance on my Lenovo T420, which I'm really liking. I'm not a fan at all of Unity, so I can't wait until Ubuntu goes back to Gnome as its default DE, which will also probably be around the time I'll be in the market for a new desktop.
even though i'm probably being monitored by the chinese government, deepin linux is preeeeeeeeetty slick if you can forgive the lack of english language 'polish'. it's like what elementary has been trying to do all along but nicer.
I gave Fedora another chance on my Lenovo T420, which I'm really liking. I'm not a fan at all of Unity, so I can't wait until Ubuntu goes back to Gnome as its default DE, which will also probably be around the time I'll be in the market for a new desktop.
You know you can just install another desktop environment anytime right? Whatever you like. Ubuntu, Fedora, every gnu/linux distro.
I gave Fedora another chance on my Lenovo T420, which I'm really liking. I'm not a fan at all of Unity, so I can't wait until Ubuntu goes back to Gnome as its default DE, which will also probably be around the time I'll be in the market for a new desktop.
You know you can just install another desktop environment anytime right? Whatever you like. Ubuntu, Fedora, every gnu/linux distro.
Just a side not here...
You kind of have to be careful switching between Budgie, Cinnamon, Unity and Gnome, since all are based on Gnome 3 (Budgie may no longer be), each can and often will overwrite key files wrecking one or all of the desktop environments.
Oh, and there is an official Gnome edition of Ubuntu that is available.
Since it's an official release, it would probably be rolled right into the next update, so support and updates shouldn't be a problem.I gave Fedora another chance on my Lenovo T420, which I'm really liking. I'm not a fan at all of Unity, so I can't wait until Ubuntu goes back to Gnome as its default DE, which will also probably be around the time I'll be in the market for a new desktop.
You know you can just install another desktop environment anytime right? Whatever you like. Ubuntu, Fedora, every gnu/linux distro.
Just a side not here...
You kind of have to be careful switching between Budgie, Cinnamon, Unity and Gnome, since all are based on Gnome 3 (Budgie may no longer be), each can and often will overwrite key files wrecking one or all of the desktop environments.
Oh, and there is an official Gnome edition of Ubuntu that is available.
I've nothing but good experiences with Gnome 3 and laptop touchpads. I think I tried Unity a few years ago and switched to Linux Mint shortly after because of reasons. Be sure not to install the current (unofficial) Ubuntu Gnome as your primary (if you decide to check out the ISO..). That project is going to be abandoned in the wake of the official Ubuntu Gnome release.
Never heard from Void, as I read a little bit now it sounds interesting!
I gave Fedora another chance on my Lenovo T420, which I'm really liking. I'm not a fan at all of Unity, so I can't wait until Ubuntu goes back to Gnome as its default DE, which will also probably be around the time I'll be in the market for a new desktop.
You know you can just install another desktop environment anytime right? Whatever you like. Ubuntu, Fedora, every gnu/linux distro.
Just a side not here...
You kind of have to be careful switching between Budgie, Cinnamon, Unity and Gnome, since all are based on Gnome 3 (Budgie may no longer be), each can and often will overwrite key files wrecking one or all of the desktop environments.
Oh, and there is an official Gnome edition of Ubuntu that is available.
New Linux user
Decided to start with Antergos and using it as my main OS. Haven't done much aside bumble around; I'm loving the speed and stability, but it's got me looking forward to building an Archlinux box eventually which I can already feel is going to be time consuming the first time around, haha.
New Linux user
Decided to start with Antergos and using it as my main OS. Haven't done much aside bumble around; I'm loving the speed and stability, but it's got me looking forward to building an Archlinux box eventually which I can already feel is going to be time consuming the first time around, haha.
First time I tried linux was SUSE Linux 7.2. I thought linux was just another kernel with another graphical shell. I heard about this "KDE" vs "Gnome" thing, but I thought that - like with windows - the "command prompt" was an app you ran on top of gui, not the other way round.I remember when Windows was a gui and the prompt was the main system!
So obviously things started to break quickly (back then linux required more manual admin than nowadays... there was no ubuntu also). So I dived right in and started to fix every issue one at a time. It was horrible but then I mastered linux and it was great.
First time I tried linux was SUSE Linux 7.2. I thought linux was just another kernel with another graphical shell. I heard about this "KDE" vs "Gnome" thing, but I thought that - like with windows - the "command prompt" was an app you ran on top of gui, not the other way round.I remember when Windows was a gui and the prompt was the main system!
So obviously things started to break quickly (back then linux required more manual admin than nowadays... there was no ubuntu also). So I dived right in and started to fix every issue one at a time. It was horrible but then I mastered linux and it was great.
(Wasn't really that long ago, they just hid it better).
Pre-Ubuntu Linux was a nightmare. Of all the things Ubuntu did, creating a support forum that didn't have FTFM for every answer was a big improvement.
Since it's an official release, it would probably be rolled right into the next update, so support and updates shouldn't be a problem.I gave Fedora another chance on my Lenovo T420, which I'm really liking. I'm not a fan at all of Unity, so I can't wait until Ubuntu goes back to Gnome as its default DE, which will also probably be around the time I'll be in the market for a new desktop.
You know you can just install another desktop environment anytime right? Whatever you like. Ubuntu, Fedora, every gnu/linux distro.
Just a side not here...
You kind of have to be careful switching between Budgie, Cinnamon, Unity and Gnome, since all are based on Gnome 3 (Budgie may no longer be), each can and often will overwrite key files wrecking one or all of the desktop environments.
Oh, and there is an official Gnome edition of Ubuntu that is available.
I've nothing but good experiences with Gnome 3 and laptop touchpads. I think I tried Unity a few years ago and switched to Linux Mint shortly after because of reasons. Be sure not to install the current (unofficial) Ubuntu Gnome as your primary (if you decide to check out the ISO..). That project is going to be abandoned in the wake of the official Ubuntu Gnome release.
As a result of this decision there will no longer be a separate GNOME flavor of Ubuntu. The development teams from both Ubuntu GNOME and Ubuntu Desktop will be merging resources and focusing on a single combined release, that provides the best of both GNOME and Ubuntu. We are currently liaising with the Canonical teams on how this will work out and more details will be announced in due course as we work out the specifics.
@ILLucionist&Leslleann
I won't get around to it untill I'm comfortable with using the terminal, but I do want to really get into it; getting things like non-free graphics divers to play nicely gave me some good practice (mostly in trying to find the right commands to use). I've been trying to cause problems to diagnose and fix, but it seems harder to mess simpler things up than I immagined it would be! Lol
I think my next project will be gitting Wine running since I do enjoy playing games that don't have native Linux support.
@ILLucionist&Leslleann
I won't get around to it untill I'm comfortable with using the terminal, but I do want to really get into it; getting things like non-free graphics divers to play nicely gave me some good practice (mostly in trying to find the right commands to use). I've been trying to cause problems to diagnose and fix, but it seems harder to mess simpler things up than I immagined it would be! Lol
I think my next project will be gitting Wine running since I do enjoy playing games that don't have native Linux support.
You already got some terminal practice, great! No worries, there will inevitably come a time when apt-get wants to overwrite existing files, so you'll get some more terminal experience by then.
You really have to go wild to mess up simpler things today in linux. It's not as fragile as it used to be around 2000-2004. Autoconfiguration has become better also.
@ILLucionist&Leslleann
I won't get around to it untill I'm comfortable with using the terminal, but I do want to really get into it; getting things like non-free graphics divers to play nicely gave me some good practice (mostly in trying to find the right commands to use). I've been trying to cause problems to diagnose and fix, but it seems harder to mess simpler things up than I immagined it would be! Lol
I think my next project will be gitting Wine running since I do enjoy playing games that don't have native Linux support.
You already got some terminal practice, great! No worries, there will inevitably come a time when apt-get wants to overwrite existing files, so you'll get some more terminal experience by then.
You really have to go wild to mess up simpler things today in linux. It's not as fragile as it used to be around 2000-2004. Autoconfiguration has become better also.
Does apt (I like apt) or apt-get have an option similar to --needed?
@ILLucionist&Leslleann
I won't get around to it untill I'm comfortable with using the terminal, but I do want to really get into it; getting things like non-free graphics divers to play nicely gave me some good practice (mostly in trying to find the right commands to use). I've been trying to cause problems to diagnose and fix, but it seems harder to mess simpler things up than I immagined it would be! Lol
I think my next project will be gitting Wine running since I do enjoy playing games that don't have native Linux support.
You already got some terminal practice, great! No worries, there will inevitably come a time when apt-get wants to overwrite existing files, so you'll get some more terminal experience by then.
You really have to go wild to mess up simpler things today in linux. It's not as fragile as it used to be around 2000-2004. Autoconfiguration has become better also.
Does apt (I like apt) or apt-get have an option similar to --needed?
Do you refer to pacman: " If a package in the list is already installed on the system, it will be reinstalled even if it is already up to date. This behavior can be overridden with the --needed option." ??
If so, I'm not sure. Never needed such an option.
Pre-Ubuntu Linux was a nightmare.A word.
Pre-Ubuntu Linux was a nightmare.A word.
Mandrake
@ILLucionist&Leslleann
I won't get around to it untill I'm comfortable with using the terminal, but I do want to really get into it; getting things like non-free graphics divers to play nicely gave me some good practice (mostly in trying to find the right commands to use). I've been trying to cause problems to diagnose and fix, but it seems harder to mess simpler things up than I immagined it would be! Lol
I think my next project will be gitting Wine running since I do enjoy playing games that don't have native Linux support.
You already got some terminal practice, great! No worries, there will inevitably come a time when apt-get wants to overwrite existing files, so you'll get some more terminal experience by then.
You really have to go wild to mess up simpler things today in linux. It's not as fragile as it used to be around 2000-2004. Autoconfiguration has become better also.
Does apt (I like apt) or apt-get have an option similar to --needed?
Do you refer to pacman: " If a package in the list is already installed on the system, it will be reinstalled even if it is already up to date. This behavior can be overridden with the --needed option." ??
If so, I'm not sure. Never needed such an option.
Yep. That's what I'm referring to. About a week ago I installed fakeroot and didn't realize that I reinstalled pacman until I noticed that I couldn't install anything with pacman. So I reinstalled Arch from my recipe and installed fakeroot with --needed; after that I was able to use pacman without issue. I'm sure something like that would save a few headaches.
edit - "So in reinstalled" changed in to I .. smh
pssst if you like arch but have any complaints whatsoever, try void
pssst if you like arch but have any complaints whatsoever, try void
I might give it a try sometimes. I just went with Arch because of the Wiki.
pssst if you like arch but have any complaints whatsoever, try void
pssst if you like arch but have any complaints whatsoever, try void
I might give it a try sometimes. I just went with Arch because of the Wiki.
void is nice for learning because other than learning the init system (which seriously takes 15 minutes) and package manger (very similar to pacman) , everything else is pretty much vanilla packages with the occasional tweak.
i still refer to the arch wiki for some things even though i haven't used arch in years!
pssst if you like arch but have any complaints whatsoever, try void
I might give it a try sometimes. I just went with Arch because of the Wiki.
void is nice for learning because other than learning the init system (which seriously takes 15 minutes) and package manger (very similar to pacman) , everything else is pretty much vanilla packages with the occasional tweak.
i still refer to the arch wiki for some things even though i haven't used arch in years!
That wiki is the main reason I was pulled into Arch. I was tired of translating Arch wiki info for other distros. So much information it's unreal. Five years in and I'm already installing Arch wtf
pssst if you like arch but have any complaints whatsoever, try void
I might give it a try sometimes. I just went with Arch because of the Wiki.
void is nice for learning because other than learning the init system (which seriously takes 15 minutes) and package manger (very similar to pacman) , everything else is pretty much vanilla packages with the occasional tweak.
i still refer to the arch wiki for some things even though i haven't used arch in years!
That wiki is the main reason I was pulled into Arch. I was tired of translating Arch wiki info for other distros. So much information it's unreal. Five years in and I'm already installing Arch wtf
at a certain point, really, you go from needing the wiki to understand how things are Supposed to Work to already having an idea of how things are Supposed to Work, and then the wiki just becomes a nice 'sane config options' reference that explains things a bit better than some man pages.
if openbsd ran a bit faster on my laptop i would be using it for the man pages alone. if you've only ever used linux manpages, you owe it to yourself to check out how well openbsd is documented.
pssst if you like arch but have any complaints whatsoever, try void
I might give it a try sometimes. I just went with Arch because of the Wiki.
void is nice for learning because other than learning the init system (which seriously takes 15 minutes) and package manger (very similar to pacman) , everything else is pretty much vanilla packages with the occasional tweak.
i still refer to the arch wiki for some things even though i haven't used arch in years!
That wiki is the main reason I was pulled into Arch. I was tired of translating Arch wiki info for other distros. So much information it's unreal. Five years in and I'm already installing Arch wtf
at a certain point, really, you go from needing the wiki to understand how things are Supposed to Work to already having an idea of how things are Supposed to Work, and then the wiki just becomes a nice 'sane config options' reference that explains things a bit better than some man pages.
if openbsd ran a bit faster on my laptop i would be using it for the man pages alone. if you've only ever used linux manpages, you owe it to yourself to check out how well openbsd is documented.
Ninja Fish logo? Done deal. I'm an OpenBSD person now. ^-^. One of these days I'll setup a router with some form of BSD. I'll be sure to include OpenBSD in my reading material before I decide on a distro
pssst if you like arch but have any complaints whatsoever, try void
I might give it a try sometimes. I just went with Arch because of the Wiki.
void is nice for learning because other than learning the init system (which seriously takes 15 minutes) and package manger (very similar to pacman) , everything else is pretty much vanilla packages with the occasional tweak.
i still refer to the arch wiki for some things even though i haven't used arch in years!
That wiki is the main reason I was pulled into Arch. I was tired of translating Arch wiki info for other distros. So much information it's unreal. Five years in and I'm already installing Arch wtf
at a certain point, really, you go from needing the wiki to understand how things are Supposed to Work to already having an idea of how things are Supposed to Work, and then the wiki just becomes a nice 'sane config options' reference that explains things a bit better than some man pages.
if openbsd ran a bit faster on my laptop i would be using it for the man pages alone. if you've only ever used linux manpages, you owe it to yourself to check out how well openbsd is documented.
Ninja Fish logo? Done deal. I'm an OpenBSD person now. ^-^. One of these days I'll setup a router with some form of BSD. I'll be sure to include OpenBSD in my reading material before I decide on a distro
Do you OpenBSD with a graphical environment? Does that work properly with drivers and hardware acceleration and all?
pssst if you like arch but have any complaints whatsoever, try void
I might give it a try sometimes. I just went with Arch because of the Wiki.
void is nice for learning because other than learning the init system (which seriously takes 15 minutes) and package manger (very similar to pacman) , everything else is pretty much vanilla packages with the occasional tweak.
i still refer to the arch wiki for some things even though i haven't used arch in years!
That wiki is the main reason I was pulled into Arch. I was tired of translating Arch wiki info for other distros. So much information it's unreal. Five years in and I'm already installing Arch wtf
at a certain point, really, you go from needing the wiki to understand how things are Supposed to Work to already having an idea of how things are Supposed to Work, and then the wiki just becomes a nice 'sane config options' reference that explains things a bit better than some man pages.
if openbsd ran a bit faster on my laptop i would be using it for the man pages alone. if you've only ever used linux manpages, you owe it to yourself to check out how well openbsd is documented.
Ninja Fish logo? Done deal. I'm an OpenBSD person now. ^-^. One of these days I'll setup a router with some form of BSD. I'll be sure to include OpenBSD in my reading material before I decide on a distro
Do you OpenBSD with a graphical environment? Does that work properly with drivers and hardware acceleration and all?
i use a thinkpad and all of the hardware works great. i'm not sure if it supports bluetooth. also not sure what the state of things is with nvidia/amd but i can't imagine needing a more powerful GPU than what the new intel integrated graphics does. openbsd is not for gaming after all.
https://github.com/systemd/systemd/issues/5644
@ILLucionist&Leslleann
I won't get around to it untill I'm comfortable with using the terminal, but I do want to really get into it; getting things like non-free graphics divers to play nicely gave me some good practice (mostly in trying to find the right commands to use). I've been trying to cause problems to diagnose and fix, but it seems harder to mess simpler things up than I immagined it would be! Lol
I think my next project will be gitting Wine running since I do enjoy playing games that don't have native Linux support.
You already got some terminal practice, great! No worries, there will inevitably come a time when apt-get wants to overwrite existing files, so you'll get some more terminal experience by then.
You really have to go wild to mess up simpler things today in linux. It's not as fragile as it used to be around 2000-2004. Autoconfiguration has become better also.
pssst if you like arch but have any complaints whatsoever, try void
I might give it a try sometimes. I just went with Arch because of the Wiki.
void is nice for learning because other than learning the init system (which seriously takes 15 minutes) and package manger (very similar to pacman) , everything else is pretty much vanilla packages with the occasional tweak.
i still refer to the arch wiki for some things even though i haven't used arch in years!
pssst if you like arch but have any complaints whatsoever, try void
I might give it a try sometimes. I just went with Arch because of the Wiki.
void is nice for learning because other than learning the init system (which seriously takes 15 minutes) and package manger (very similar to pacman) , everything else is pretty much vanilla packages with the occasional tweak.
i still refer to the arch wiki for some things even though i haven't used arch in years!
That wiki is the main reason I was pulled into Arch. I was tired of translating Arch wiki info for other distros. So much information it's unreal. Five years in and I'm already installing Arch wtf
Are modern Linux distributions smart enough to optimize SSD drives [for lifespan] from the get go or do they still require further tweaking?
Are modern Linux distributions smart enough to optimize SSD drives [for lifespan] from the get go or do they still require further tweaking?
Current builds should be good enough not to need much tweaking, as long as the SSD supports TRIM (which any new SSD should). Furthermore, I remember reading that Intel and Samsung have the largest support, but any newer branded-SSD shouldn't give you any issues.
https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Solid_State_Drives (https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Solid_State_Drives)
Are modern Linux distributions smart enough to optimize SSD drives [for lifespan] from the get go or do they still require further tweaking?
Current builds should be good enough not to need much tweaking, as long as the SSD supports TRIM (which any new SSD should). Furthermore, I remember reading that Intel and Samsung have the largest support, but any newer branded-SSD shouldn't give you any issues.
https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Solid_State_Drives (https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Solid_State_Drives)
It does depend on the distro though, so you should check to make sure. Most distros ok, but I had it sometimes with an obscure distro that trim kernel support wasn't compiled in for some reason.
Are modern Linux distributions smart enough to optimize SSD drives [for lifespan] from the get go or do they still require further tweaking?
Current builds should be good enough not to need much tweaking, as long as the SSD supports TRIM (which any new SSD should). Furthermore, I remember reading that Intel and Samsung have the largest support, but any newer branded-SSD shouldn't give you any issues.
https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Solid_State_Drives (https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Solid_State_Drives)
It does depend on the distro though, so you should check to make sure. Most distros ok, but I had it sometimes with an obscure distro that trim kernel support wasn't compiled in for some reason.
Trim might be a bit easier to setup on Linux compared to Windows. If the distro doesn't do it for you just add discard to your fstab file. Usually found in /etc/fstab. Obviously accessing fstab is a good way to check to see if it's enabled. Take care that changing the wrong thing could cause a kernel panic at startup. There's probably a few more steps for maintenance but discard enables trim on linux iirc.
Example: rw, discard, relatime (or noatime on some distros)
Are modern Linux distributions smart enough to optimize SSD drives [for lifespan] from the get go or do they still require further tweaking?
Current builds should be good enough not to need much tweaking, as long as the SSD supports TRIM (which any new SSD should). Furthermore, I remember reading that Intel and Samsung have the largest support, but any newer branded-SSD shouldn't give you any issues.
https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Solid_State_Drives (https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Solid_State_Drives)
It does depend on the distro though, so you should check to make sure. Most distros ok, but I had it sometimes with an obscure distro that trim kernel support wasn't compiled in for some reason.
Trim might be a bit easier to setup on Linux compared to Windows. If the distro doesn't do it for you just add discard to your fstab file. Usually found in /etc/fstab. Obviously accessing fstab is a good way to check to see if it's enabled. Take care that changing the wrong thing could cause a kernel panic at startup. There's probably a few more steps for maintenance but discard enables trim on linux iirc.
Example: rw, discard, relatime (or noatime on some distros)
Still - unless I'm mistaken - you need that feature compiled into your kernel otherwise changing your fstab doesn't do sh*t.
That's with Mint 17.3 and a 4 years old SSD:Are modern Linux distributions smart enough to optimize SSD drives [for lifespan] from the get go or do they still require further tweaking?
Current builds should be good enough not to need much tweaking, as long as the SSD supports TRIM (which any new SSD should). Furthermore, I remember reading that Intel and Samsung have the largest support, but any newer branded-SSD shouldn't give you any issues.
https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Solid_State_Drives (https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Solid_State_Drives)
➜ ~ lsblk -D
NAME DISC-ALN DISC-GRAN DISC-MAX DISC-ZERO
sda 0 512B 2G 0
├─sda1 0 512B 2G 0
├─sda2 0 512B 2G 0
├─sda3 0 512B 2G 0
└─sda4 0 512B 2G 0
➜ ~ uname -a
Linux iri 3.19.0-80-generic #88~14.04.1-Ubuntu SMP Fri Jan 13 14:54:07 UTC 2017 x86_64 x86_64 x86_64 GNU/Linux
Arch linux. 10 years and going on :)
At this point not really. Feels very home with Arch and I can always configure it the way I need.Arch linux. 10 years and going on :)
Dedication!
Ever tempted to try a different distro?
Overall, I have experienced less problems with Manjaro than Ubuntu, and prefer the rolling updates.:eek:
I am currently using Mint/Cinnamon on my 2015 Macbook air that I use every day for school :)
I am currently using Mint/Cinnamon on my 2015 Macbook air that I use every day for school :)
How do you find the battery life compared with running OSX/MacOS?
I am currently using Mint/Cinnamon on my 2015 Macbook air that I use every day for school :)
How do you find the battery life compared with running OSX/MacOS?
sysadmins are really not installing packages all the time. occasionally, sure, but yum is Good Enough given the other advantages.
there's really no reason to be so flabbergasted that some people have different vendor requirements when it comes to their distro of choice!
I respect all that. But my memories of yum are SO SO BAD that I cannot imagine people PREFERRING it over alternatives.
no yum still sucks
Respectfully, for the love of god why do SYSADMINS use CentOS if the thing that you are doing very often sucks the most, which is the package manager 'yum'.
Is it like... a religion? Like CentOS is based off of the "most widely used red hat distro in the whole industry". And people are like "shiiiit i must have this yo" amongst sysadmins?
It's just like the windows kids ... They want someone there to hold their hand while they venture into computerland and will give them support when things go TU
Our manager tried to get us to standardize on CentOS because "everyone" in the industry is using RHEL... but we just told him to shove it and ran ubuntu lts :p
Definitely bounced around a lot but I've come back to Arch several times and been on it consistently for about 5 years now. Just really enjoy building up the system how I want, the AUR and the rolling release model. My personal flip flop is always around the DE. Can't ever seem to be happy and change every few months. :DI used to be like you, I was never happy with how it looked and I spent so much time customizing that I usually borked the system. :))
apt install <software>
Code: [Select]apt install <software>
Is it really that complicated?
pacman -Syyu and my computer is happilly up-to-date. Seriously, pacman was designed with simplicity in mind. Apt has bigger challenges in mind.Yeah, an upgrade with apt will require two commands.
This week, I finished a new computer. On my old one, I have ran Gnome 2.0 and Window Maker for years. On the new one, I installed Ubuntu Mate, because that is supposed to work like the old one and not be screwed up like Gnome 3.
Now, the latest Mate uses GTK+ 3.0... which apparently the Gnome 3 developers have been on, and royally screwed up.
Scrollbars don't work like they do on every other toolkit (GTK 2, Qt, Windows, etc...): clicking does not move a page. If you move a Window's resize-bar somewhere and then back again, then the scrollbar will not be restored to its previous position. Menus don't keep submenus open if you move the pointer diagonally, like they have done since GTK+ 1.2.10 days.
I search the forums and see that there have been numerous bug reports and discussions about it. GNOME developers replied with "Getting scrollbars right is hard".
Not it isn't!!! If it is too hard for you then LEAVE IT THE **** ALONE, YOU INCOMPETENT ****TARD!
pacman -Syyu and my computer is happilly up-to-date. Seriously, pacman was designed with simplicity in mind. Apt has bigger challenges in mind.Yeah, an upgrade with apt will require two commands.
Runs (basically) Arch, doesn't like reading output and making decisions. Good luck with that. You might be surprised, once an update completely screws up your system.
Runs (basically) Arch, doesn't like reading output and making decisions. Good luck with that. You might be surprised, once an update completely screws up your system.
Das right. About program behavior: don't say nothing if you have nothing to say; have reasonable defaults; don't break stuff. Updates have screwed up my system and then I go looking for answers. Not my favorite activity. I don't like to fiddle with my system. I like to be running the latest/greatest stable apps and libraries.
I don't like to fiddle with my system. I like to be running the latest/greatest stable apps and libraries.Why are you running Arch, those two statements really don't work well together.
I don't like to fiddle with my system. I like to be running the latest/greatest stable apps and libraries.Why are you running Arch, those two statements really don't work well together.
Arch isn't stable, it's more of a rolling Release Candidate, which falls between beta and gold release.
If I was to reach that level of frustration I believe I'd install arch or something similar, add a tiling wm (i3wm, etc.) to the xinit script, and avoid a DE/GDM altogether. Lordy.Don't be snotty. It is not regression that I want. I want well-designed user interface that works well, and works well along established principles. Convention is an important principle, because it allows users to keep their habits and work efficiently. Now instead, we have some apps with scrollbars that work one way and other apps with scrollbars that work another way.
If I was to reach that level of frustration I believe I'd install arch or something similar, add a tiling wm (i3wm, etc.) to the xinit script, and avoid a DE/GDM altogether. Lordy.Don't be snotty. It is not regression that I want. I want well-designed user interface that works well, and works well along established principles. Convention is an important principle, because it allows users to keep their habits and work efficiently. Now instead, we have some apps with scrollbars that work one way and other apps with scrollbars that work another way.
Requiring users to use a scrollbar that does not work like a scrollbar should is like exchanging all their keyboards with chiclet keyboards.
This change is not development but regression to a more primitive behaviour, like how it worked in some toolkits that are now really arcane ... except for a new behaviour that is triggered when you hold down the button for a second, and will only make it appear as if the scrollbar is buggy.
The GNOME 3 developers have hijacked the development of the user interface toolkit GTK+ and imposed their ideas on everyone.
The GNOME 3 devs do not "own" GTK. They have no right to impose these changes on others.
There are tens of thousands of non-GNOME apps that use GTK+. It was originally developed for the painting program The Gimp - and the change of GTK+ has changed also that program's behaviour.
The right way to introduce a new behaviour of such a basic widget would have been to implement it to be enabled by an option in a config file distributed with GNOME 3, leaving the original default behaviour intact - not requiring that everyone else should conform to them.
This change is disrespectful to the users, to previous developers of GTK+ and to other developers of GTK+ programs.
(Edited for grammar and to make the point clearer)
Just got Arch linux and GNOME working on my old 21.5" iMac :)Lookin' sexy!Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/4WTqLxe.jpg)
Just got Arch linux and GNOME working on my old 21.5" iMac :)Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/4WTqLxe.jpg)
Just got Arch linux and GNOME working on my old 21.5" iMac :)Lookin' sexy!Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/4WTqLxe.jpg)
Definitely bounced around a lot but I've come back to Arch several times and been on it consistently for about 5 years now. Just really enjoy building up the system how I want, the AUR and the rolling release model. My personal flip flop is always around the DE. Can't ever seem to be happy and change every few months. :DI used to be like you, I was never happy with how it looked and I spent so much time customizing that I usually borked the system. :))
I've been running my Linux machines with pretty much the same OS' for about a year now and I haven't changed anything, that's huge for me. :p
Definitely bounced around a lot but I've come back to Arch several times and been on it consistently for about 5 years now. Just really enjoy building up the system how I want, the AUR and the rolling release model. My personal flip flop is always around the DE. Can't ever seem to be happy and change every few months. :DI used to be like you, I was never happy with how it looked and I spent so much time customizing that I usually borked the system. :))
I've been running my Linux machines with pretty much the same OS' for about a year now and I haven't changed anything, that's huge for me. :p
same here for about 2.5 years, and for much of that with a VERY similar void+cwm+lemonbar config. it's very comfortable for me now on a single monitor setup (though i did have some problems trying out multimon with linux cwm, i bet openbsd's handles it just fine).Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/mKRvl13.jpg)
Running Raspbian on a Raspberry Pi 3 B+. It's my 7th Pi and I like it. Still working on acclimating to Linux though, and all it's distributions. My goal for August is to build my own Linux kernel using Linux From Scratch. I'll have plenty of time while I'm home with my daughter who should be born in the coming weeks.Congrats on the little one. :D
3 computers at home run Ubuntu Gnome. two are attached to tvs and one is my personal laptop. i have two arch linux boxes with gnome running at my office. i use to run gentoo at the office but they became too problematic over time.Yeah same here basically.
i have one windows box at home and one at work as well. the one at home is strictly for gaming and VR as the Oculus SDK and SteamVR SDk do not really support linux at all. also i steam link my games from windows to my linux laptop all the time at home. i also have a work laptop with windows because i have to have one as a sysadmin to support my users.
Congrats on the little one. :D
Building a kernel from scratch is quite the undertaking I would imagine. You a programmer by trade?
Also, the Linux From Scratch is rated for anyone with a highschool diploma and up by what I gathered from a bunch of Raspberry Pi and Linux forums.
I tried to upgrade Kubuntu from 16.10 to 17.04, because support is ending this month. It didn't go too well. Basically, I disabled backports but forgot to downgrade packages from there, and then ended up with dependency hell. Lesson learned, I guess.
Anyway, I'm on 17.04 now and things seem to work fine. Some slightly annoying bugs and broken packages are fixed, so it's even slightly better thus far.
My work and home boxes run NixOS, and I have a laptop that I carry around with Xubuntu.
My work and home boxes run NixOS, and I have a laptop that I carry around with Xubuntu.
NixOS here too... /high-five/
In my experience you end up with enough PCs after a while. I can never get enough keyboards though. :pMy work and home boxes run NixOS, and I have a laptop that I carry around with Xubuntu.
NixOS here too... /high-five/
It says it's a declarative operating system. I like declarative (don't worry about the how, just tell me what you want). I'll have to try this out...I'm buying a new (used) computer on eBay by the end of the week. I'm going from buying keyboards to buying computers. I better watch out.
My work and home boxes run NixOS, and I have a laptop that I carry around with Xubuntu.
NixOS here too... /high-five/
It says it's a declarative operating system. I like declarative (don't worry about the how, just tell me what you want). I'll have to try this out...I'm buying a new (used) computer on eBay by the end of the week. I'm going from buying keyboards to buying computers. I better watch out.
Anybody here use any of that CLEAR LINUX?Anytime someone claims they have a faster or more efficient Linux, take it with a GIGANTIC grain of salt.
Benchmarks look amazing. Don't like that it is owned by Intel though.. But imagine what could be done to linux if we drop backwards compatibility and optimize for fast modern hardware. Like arch with i686 only, already a step in the right direction.
Anybody here use any of that CLEAR LINUX?Anytime someone claims they have a faster or more efficient Linux, take it with a GIGANTIC grain of salt.
Benchmarks look amazing. Don't like that it is owned by Intel though.. But imagine what could be done to linux if we drop backwards compatibility and optimize for fast modern hardware. Like arch with i686 only, already a step in the right direction.
It's using the same underlying OS and since it's open source, they all can use those same tweaks to make their system just as fast, if it was true.
Linux doesn't really have any backwards compatibility dragging it down like Windows, at least not in the same way. Linux is in a constant state of flux and upgrade, which renews itself. It's not perfect, because on occasion it does cause a system failure, but it's usually not too difficult to fix. It just doesn't carry the baggage like Windows does.
It still does.
Leslieann doesn't appear to follow LWN, not to say LKML.
There's a lot of weird **** in the Linux kernel. Tons of undocumented stuff, tons of dubious error paths, tons of subsystem-specific obscurities,… it's a miracle that it works so well… or at all.
"We don't break user space."
Well, yeah.
I'm so glad I don't have to use menuconfig anymore.
Linux doesn't really have any backwards compatibility dragging it down like Windows, at least not in the same way. Linux is in a constant state of flux and upgrade, which renews itself. It's not perfect, because on occasion it does cause a system failure, but it's usually not too difficult to fix. It just doesn't carry the baggage like Windows does.
Linux doesn't really have any backwards compatibility dragging it down like Windows, at least not in the same way. Linux is in a constant state of flux and upgrade, which renews itself. It's not perfect, because on occasion it does cause a system failure, but it's usually not too difficult to fix. It just doesn't carry the baggage like Windows does.
From where I sit, Linux is almost nothing but legacy baggage going all the way back to 1970s mainframes -- and many of its underlying design decisions were based on that computing environment, so long ago and so different from most of what we use today, and there's no way to fix any of it without breaking everything.
I mean, how long have we been saddled with X?
Who today would design an OS where every additional storage device appears to be a sub-directory somewhere on the system drive?
Even "ls" to get a directory listing. . . Because it was invented by guys using teletype machines as terminals, and they never learned to touch-type and were deathly fearful of having to press an extra key or two.
And then there's all the dependency chaos. . .
But the good news is that Ubuntu MATE does a pretty good job of hiding its Unix roots from me most of the time, and so does Mac OS X, so I can live with them -- better than Windows, which makes no credible attempt to hide Windows from me. :p
Leslieann doesn't appear to follow LWN, not to say LKML.Should I.
From where I sit, Linux is almost nothing but legacy baggage going all the way back to 1970s mainframes -- and many of its underlying design decisions were based on that computing environment, so long ago and so different from most of what we use today, and there's no way to fix any of it without breaking everything.That's because you are looking at it from a desktop perspective while using a server OS.
I mean, how long have we been saddled with X?
Who today would design an OS where every additional storage device appears to be a sub-directory somewhere on the system drive?
Who today would design an OS where every additional storage device appears to be a sub-directory somewhere on the system drive?Who today would design an internet capable OS without a method of updating built in...
There's plenty of linux distros with built-in update capabilities though.
There's plenty of linux distros with built-in update capabilities though.It was actually an Android joke, meant as an example of how software engineers don't always think like a normal person, or even logically all the time.
i have been always interested in linux due to it being freeware. for basic office work and internet, it's enough. tried both linux mint and currently ubuntu mate. but I think i'm more into linux mint. too bad my NUC 5CPYH is struggling with current mint release. Celeron N3050. what to expect huh?
Yeah, but she said nothing about AUTOupdates.
i have been always interested in linux due to it being freeware. for basic office work and internet, it's enough. tried both linux mint and currently ubuntu mate. but I think i'm more into linux mint. too bad my NUC 5CPYH is struggling with current mint release. Celeron N3050. what to expect huh?
Depends on your definition of free - GPL comes with a set of obligations.
The BSDs are far more free, as in less obligations.
FTFYi have been always interested in linux due to it being freeware. for basic office work and internet, it's enough. tried both linux mint and currently ubuntu mate. but I think i'm more into linux mint. too bad my NUC 5CPYH is struggling with current mint release. Celeron N3050. what to expect huh?
Depends on your definition of free - GPL comes with a set of obligations.
The BSDs are far more free, as in less obligations.
bsd ensures more freedom for developers
gpl ensures more freedom for users
good enough. always struggling with linux though, many said it's easier than windows, yet sometimes not long before installing it, I have to google how to solve problem X and it usually involves terminal and copying long string of commands told by other people that I have just to put faith on (ie. no idea what am I writing or what does the command does)i have been always interested in linux due to it being freeware. for basic office work and internet, it's enough. tried both linux mint and currently ubuntu mate. but I think i'm more into linux mint. too bad my NUC 5CPYH is struggling with current mint release. Celeron N3050. what to expect huh?
Depends on your definition of free - GPL comes with a set of obligations.
The BSDs are far more free, as in less obligations.
bsd ensures more freedom for people
gpl ensures more freedom for the code
IT SEEMS LIKE QUITE A FEW PEOPLE ARE ADOPTING LINUX MINT THESE DAYS. HOW DO YOU ALL LIKE IT?
IT SEEMS LIKE QUITE A FEW PEOPLE ARE ADOPTING LINUX MINT THESE DAYS. HOW DO YOU ALL LIKE IT?
BURN THE HERETIC! WINDOWS 98 IS THE CLEARLY THE SUPERIOR OPERATING SYSTEM.
IT SEEMS LIKE QUITE A FEW PEOPLE ARE ADOPTING LINUX MINT THESE DAYS. HOW DO YOU ALL LIKE IT?
IT SEEMS LIKE QUITE A FEW PEOPLE ARE ADOPTING LINUX MINT THESE DAYS. HOW DO YOU ALL LIKE IT?
I tried installing Linux Mint Cinnamon on my netbook some time ago. It was really slow and I did not find the user interface agreeable.
Seriously, even if a netbook is old and not very powerful, it should not be bogged down by a simple user interface.
I tried installing Linux Mint Cinnamon on my netbook some time ago. It was really slow and I did not find the user interface agreeable.
Seriously, even if a netbook is old and not very powerful, it should not be bogged down by a simple user interface.
Cinnamon is slow, even on good hardware. It's kind of like how macOS has gotten these days.
Xfce is the way to go :cool:
I tried installing Linux Mint Cinnamon on my netbook some time ago. It was really slow and I did not find the user interface agreeable.
Seriously, even if a netbook is old and not very powerful, it should not be bogged down by a simple user interface.
Cinnamon is slow, even on good hardware. It's kind of like how macOS has gotten these days.
Xfce is the way to go :cool:
barebones xfce DE with i3 wm is the way to go. :cool:
I tried installing Linux Mint Cinnamon on my netbook some time ago. It was really slow and I did not find the user interface agreeable.
Seriously, even if a netbook is old and not very powerful, it should not be bogged down by a simple user interface.
Cinnamon is slow, even on good hardware. It's kind of like how macOS has gotten these days.
Xfce is the way to go :cool:
barebones xfce DE with i3 wm is the way to go. :cool:
These days I prefer no DE but I can see the appeal behind xfce/i3wm. I've also read that openbox/i3wm is pretty great as well.
One year of Manjaro i3, and I'm about to remove the training wheels. No more installing vanilla arch to usb or vm while Manjaro i3 guards the bare metal. The Arch Wiki compels me :))
I tried installing Linux Mint Cinnamon on my netbook some time ago. It was really slow and I did not find the user interface agreeable.
Seriously, even if a netbook is old and not very powerful, it should not be bogged down by a simple user interface.
Cinnamon is slow, even on good hardware. It's kind of like how macOS has gotten these days.
Xfce is the way to go :cool:
barebones xfce DE with i3 wm is the way to go. :cool:
I tried installing Linux Mint Cinnamon on my netbook some time ago. It was really slow and I did not find the user interface agreeable.
Seriously, even if a netbook is old and not very powerful, it should not be bogged down by a simple user interface.
Cinnamon is slow, even on good hardware. It's kind of like how macOS has gotten these days.
Xfce is the way to go :cool:
barebones xfce DE with i3 wm is the way to go. :cool:
I haven't used i3wm much but I'm not sure I have a need for it with window snapping already part of the OS. I guess it can speed up certain workflows.
I tried installing Linux Mint Cinnamon on my netbook some time ago. It was really slow and I did not find the user interface agreeable.
Seriously, even if a netbook is old and not very powerful, it should not be bogged down by a simple user interface.
Cinnamon is slow, even on good hardware. It's kind of like how macOS has gotten these days.
Xfce is the way to go :cool:
barebones xfce DE with i3 wm is the way to go. :cool:
These days I prefer no DE but I can see the appeal behind xfce/i3wm. I've also read that openbox/i3wm is pretty great as well.
One year of Manjaro i3, and I'm about to remove the training wheels. No more installing vanilla arch to usb or vm while Manjaro i3 guards the bare metal. The Arch Wiki compels me :))
I actually did everything backwards. I STARTED with Arch, learned as much as I could carry, and switched over to Debian a little while ago. I love Arch, but I don't want to put that much time into configuring everything anymore.
How does Arch Linux perform on low-end computers?Show Image(https://geekhack.org/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=46529.0;attach=184575;image)
How does Arch Linux perform on low-end computers?Arch tends to be one of the faster base systems, however the desktop will make the largest difference in performance, but that too depends on the system itself.Show Image(https://geekhack.org/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=46529.0;attach=184575;image)
How does Arch Linux perform on low-end computers?It doesn't if I assume correctly what ancient low-end stuff you mean.Show Image(https://geekhack.org/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=46529.0;attach=184575;image)
I recently installed Mint 18.3 Cinnamon to try it out (as a dual-boot on a separate SSD). It was quite good and I didn't have any major problems.
Mint 18.3 Xfce just got released so I installed that. It worked but I had complications with my graphics card (GTX 970) -- it got sorted out in the end with a GRUB modification.
I do have a question though if anyone knows: I'm looking to RDP to a school Windows 2012 Server. It uses the RDP protocol but I can't get any remote desktop application to connect.
The closest I've come is using rdesktop and freerdp, but I get an error about the lack of CredSSP (required by server) or SSL library problem. I tried messing around with Kerberos (krb5) but it didn't make a difference.
If anyone knows what can be done, I'd appreciate it! I'm trying to use Mint Xfce as my main desktop and I actually quite like it. I did manage to get it to boot Mint as a virtual machine from my Windows partition using VMWare -- that was really great and I might just need to do that when I want to work with both for cases like RDP.
It doesn't if I assume correctly what ancient low-end stuff you mean.Good point...
Arch was one of the first distros to cut off support for pre-i686 architecture, and even i686 itself has recently become de facto deprecated. (https://www.archlinux.org/news/phasing-out-i686-support/)
A decade-old Core 2 Duo will still run alright, but I don't think that's what you mean based on your post history.
I recently installed Mint 18.3 Cinnamon to try it out (as a dual-boot on a separate SSD). It was quite good and I didn't have any major problems.
Mint 18.3 Xfce just got released so I installed that. It worked but I had complications with my graphics card (GTX 970) -- it got sorted out in the end with a GRUB modification.
I do have a question though if anyone knows: I'm looking to RDP to a school Windows 2012 Server. It uses the RDP protocol but I can't get any remote desktop application to connect.
The closest I've come is using rdesktop and freerdp, but I get an error about the lack of CredSSP (required by server) or SSL library problem. I tried messing around with Kerberos (krb5) but it didn't make a difference.
If anyone knows what can be done, I'd appreciate it! I'm trying to use Mint Xfce as my main desktop and I actually quite like it. I did manage to get it to boot Mint as a virtual machine from my Windows partition using VMWare -- that was really great and I might just need to do that when I want to work with both for cases like RDP.
You probably need to set your RDP hosts to use the less-secure older connection method (System Properties > Remote > somewhere near the bottom) - then you should be able to rdesktop to it.
I started with Gentoo because other than making a distro from scratch it seemed like the best option to learn and achieve a better understanding in the long run when I had been only using Windows throughout my life. Currently, I'm using Arch Linux as my main distro, I made the switch a year and a half ago after using Gentoo for 3 years.I used also Gentoo long time ago and then moved to Arch Linux.
edit: I do have a system that uses windows that is required by work. In addition, I often switch back to Gentoo. Both Gentoo and Arch have their pros and cons.
I've tried moving from OS X to Ubuntu but I've become too dependent on the eco system. Too many tools I use in regular life that aren't available...
I've tried moving from OS X to Ubuntu but I've become too dependent on the eco system. Too many tools I use in regular life that aren't available....
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Moving operating systems sometimes means compromising.
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I've tried moving from OS X to Ubuntu but I've become too dependent on the eco system. Too many tools I use in regular life that aren't available....
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Moving operating systems sometimes means compromising.
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I can't stress this enough to people making the switch. The reason the apple/google ecosystem has such a decisive grip on consumers is because they've built out everything to their specs. Their hardware/software/cloud is all made to play nice.
It will never be an easy transition, but it feels great breaking from that grip. It can be uncomfortable at times, but I say it's worth the switch.
.... And their are always alternatives to Mac software etc, just gotta look around.
When considering a migration, make a list of all the software you regularly use, say in a spreadsheet, and try to find if each application is cross-platform, or what the most common alternative is.
When considering a migration, make a list of all the software you regularly use, say in a spreadsheet, and try to find if each application is cross-platform, or what the most common alternative is.
Switching to cross-platform software ahead of time also helps, in fact, switching to it in the first place is best since it ensures everyone else can also read what you send them.
When considering a migration, make a list of all the software you regularly use, say in a spreadsheet, and try to find if each application is cross-platform, or what the most common alternative is.
Switching to cross-platform software ahead of time also helps, in fact, switching to it in the first place is best since it ensures everyone else can also read what you send them.
It's also good advice not to be too deep into any "ecosystem" so that getting out or changing becomes a colossal hassle.
It doesn't help that so many "services" (even software is a "service" these days) want to glue you in to their "ecosystem" these days.
macOS, I must say, has remained pretty much exactly the same since 10.0 (released in 2001, currently up to 10.13 released in 2017), with only minor incremental changes to window decorations and included tools.Mandatory autosave (https://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2011/07/mac-os-x-10-7/7/#document-model), which changed the official document loading model, introduced in MacOS X 10.7 "Lion".
macOS, I must say, has remained pretty much exactly the same since 10.0 (released in 2001, currently up to 10.13 released in 2017), with only minor incremental changes to window decorations and included tools.Mandatory autosave (https://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2011/07/mac-os-x-10-7/7/#document-model), which changed the official document loading model, introduced in MacOS X 10.7 "Lion".
I would say that's a pretty significant user interface change. But yes, not something that pops up in your face.
Then there have been numerous things under the hood: application signing, file versioning, new file system etc.
Something like Google's suite of online apps should just migrate - if you use Chrome on all platforms for the best experience.Beware... be very aware..
Network shares were re-worked (in a very bad way) as was Disk utility (oh god what have they done!) and the entire keyboard management system (which broke Karabiner).macOS, I must say, has remained pretty much exactly the same since 10.0 (released in 2001, currently up to 10.13 released in 2017), with only minor incremental changes to window decorations and included tools.Then there have been numerous things under the hood: application signing, file versioning, new file system etc.
Installed Void on a Pentium 4 machine. Hey, Void is not bad. I now understand why sth recommends it. Xmonad works with i686 Void but I wasn't able to install xmonad-contrib. Which I assume contains the modules to load bars. I guess bspwm/dwm/i3wm will work for now. One of these days I'll have a working xmonad/bar. Void tho :thumb: Lovin' XBPS
Installed Void on a Pentium 4 machine. Hey, Void is not bad. I now understand why sth recommends it. Xmonad works with i686 Void but I wasn't able to install xmonad-contrib. Which I assume contains the modules to load bars. I guess bspwm/dwm/i3wm will work for now. One of these days I'll have a working xmonad/bar. Void tho :thumb: Lovin' XBPS
Pentium 4, really needs dat nvidia Ti4600 to really shine on retro..
If it's a 4ghz overclocked pentium 4, That would push all the way up to 6800 Ultra.
Installed Void on a Pentium 4 machine. Hey, Void is not bad. I now understand why sth recommends it. Xmonad works with i686 Void but I wasn't able to install xmonad-contrib. Which I assume contains the modules to load bars. I guess bspwm/dwm/i3wm will work for now. One of these days I'll have a working xmonad/bar. Void tho :thumb: Lovin' XBPS
Installed Void on a Pentium 4 machine. Hey, Void is not bad. I now understand why sth recommends it. Xmonad works with i686 Void but I wasn't able to install xmonad-contrib. Which I assume contains the modules to load bars. I guess bspwm/dwm/i3wm will work for now. One of these days I'll have a working xmonad/bar. Void tho :thumb: Lovin' XBPS
welcome to the void :)
try xmonad + lemonbar and call your bar script from .xinitrc. lemonbar in void-packages has the xft patch available for smooth fonts:Show Image(https://i.imgur.com/OpKq57t.png)
cwm is also very nice if you like floaters!
When considering a migration, make a list of all the software you regularly use, say in a spreadsheet, and try to find if each application is cross-platform, or what the most common alternative is.
Switching to cross-platform software ahead of time also helps, in fact, switching to it in the first place is best since it ensures everyone else can also read what you send them.
It's also good advice not to be too deep into any "ecosystem" so that getting out or changing becomes a colossal hassle.
It doesn't help that so many "services" (even software is a "service" these days) want to glue you in to their "ecosystem" these days.
I'm being recruited for a QA job with RedHat. Might contact them back. :cool:
Switched from Linux Mint to Manjaro.
Really enjoying Arch so far.
Guess what.. I have never been fan of rolling releases because previously (around 2005-2008) stuff kept breaking (I look at you, Arch). Once every two months or so I had to resolve conflicts and so forth.
But now I'm about to switch to Arch. Why? Coz upgrading Ubuntu to new releases isn't great either. It was just brought under my attention when I wanted to install a package that my short term release is not supported anymore. Yes, I was able to update my sources.list with archived ubuntu repos.
But a rolling release may be better... never have to upgrade to a major release ever again. Fingers crossed that Arch's rolling releases are better than previously..
Guess what.. I have never been fan of rolling releases because previously (around 2005-2008) stuff kept breaking (I look at you, Arch). Once every two months or so I had to resolve conflicts and so forth.
But now I'm about to switch to Arch. Why? Coz upgrading Ubuntu to new releases isn't great either. It was just brought under my attention when I wanted to install a package that my short term release is not supported anymore. Yes, I was able to update my sources.list with archived ubuntu repos.
But a rolling release may be better... never have to upgrade to a major release ever again. Fingers crossed that Arch's rolling releases are better than previously..
*psssst*
tryyyyy voooooiiiiiid
Guess what.. I have never been fan of rolling releases because previously (around 2005-2008) stuff kept breaking (I look at you, Arch). Once every two months or so I had to resolve conflicts and so forth.
But now I'm about to switch to Arch. Why? Coz upgrading Ubuntu to new releases isn't great either. It was just brought under my attention when I wanted to install a package that my short term release is not supported anymore. Yes, I was able to update my sources.list with archived ubuntu repos.
But a rolling release may be better... never have to upgrade to a major release ever again. Fingers crossed that Arch's rolling releases are better than previously..
*psssst*
tryyyyy voooooiiiiiid
That looks AWESOME. What does it provide over Arch, besides SystemD-free (appealing in and of itself already).
But i also use win10 ltsb on my gaming rig.Only way I can stand Win10 these days.
I've found that NetBSD is fairly great for a slightly pkgsrc deficient BSD platform. There was no need for me to install anything extra to enable compiling from various sources, so that's Kinda neat.
I've found that NetBSD is fairly great for a slightly pkgsrc deficient BSD platform. There was no need for me to install anything extra to enable compiling from various sources, so that's Kinda neat.
I've poked around with NetBSD a few times, mostly to get something modern running on random ancient hardware, like DEC and Sparc machines.
It's ok, small and self-contained. pkgsrc can be a pain if you need to do a bulk update, especially on slow systems. pkgin is supposed to alleviate that somewhat, being a binary package manager (of sorts). I am yet to try pkgin in any serious way.
alpine
But i also use win10 ltsb on my gaming rig.Only way I can stand Win10 these days.
This is about how early betas were, free of the junk and it made for a pretty decent OS.
Same here.But i also use win10 ltsb on my gaming rig.Only way I can stand Win10 these days.
This is about how early betas were, free of the junk and it made for a pretty decent OS.
Same here. I really like this version. No store, cortana or feature upgrades. Hopefully one day I can completely switch to linux. If it weren't for the games I like, I'd be linux only.
Same here.But i also use win10 ltsb on my gaming rig.Only way I can stand Win10 these days.
This is about how early betas were, free of the junk and it made for a pretty decent OS.
Same here. I really like this version. No store, cortana or feature upgrades. Hopefully one day I can completely switch to linux. If it weren't for the games I like, I'd be linux only.
Linux is just so much more fun for me, on all fronts.
Only thing keeping me on Win is the vidja games.
Same here.But i also use win10 ltsb on my gaming rig.Only way I can stand Win10 these days.
This is about how early betas were, free of the junk and it made for a pretty decent OS.
Same here. I really like this version. No store, cortana or feature upgrades. Hopefully one day I can completely switch to linux. If it weren't for the games I like, I'd be linux only.
Linux is just so much more fun for me, on all fronts.
Only thing keeping me on Win is the vidja games.
I had no idea what I was doing with Arch so I wound up wiping my laptop's HDD rather than trying to dual-boot Linux and Win10. That laptop is the only one I had Windows installed, and now I have no access to my Steam account (unless I install it on my work computer...but probably not).
But Windows was so sluggish and slowing down my computer. I had no idea how fast it could be--even at six years old--until I started using Linux without all that bloat.
Been curious about using Gentoo before but never actually have. Will have to try someday.
Same here.But i also use win10 ltsb on my gaming rig.Only way I can stand Win10 these days.
This is about how early betas were, free of the junk and it made for a pretty decent OS.
Same here. I really like this version. No store, cortana or feature upgrades. Hopefully one day I can completely switch to linux. If it weren't for the games I like, I'd be linux only.
Linux is just so much more fun for me, on all fronts.
Only thing keeping me on Win is the vidja games.
I had no idea what I was doing with Arch so I wound up wiping my laptop's HDD rather than trying to dual-boot Linux and Win10. That laptop is the only one I had Windows installed, and now I have no access to my Steam account (unless I install it on my work computer...but probably not).
But Windows was so sluggish and slowing down my computer. I had no idea how fast it could be--even at six years old--until I started using Linux without all that bloat.
To be fair, Windows 10 offers quite decent user experience for me on older systems (x64 still).
I still use windows mainly for a few native Windows applications, e.g. OneNote, Words. But I stick mostly to cross-platform packages, such as Emacs, Mendeley; and I cannot tolerate using Windows with Cygwin.
I haven't tried Arch Linux.
But for user experience, I highly recommend Linux Mint over most other distributions - I know it is not 100% FSF compliant though.
Linux used to be very robust, and it was quite easy to maintain and save a system when something goes wrong. The switch to Systemd from SysVinit makes things more compact and centralized, all in all much like Windows registry. It can be said its more compact, but it is a lot harder to sort out problems, and also save a system when something has gone wrong.
Let's see where will mainstream Linux go.
Same here.But i also use win10 ltsb on my gaming rig.Only way I can stand Win10 these days.
This is about how early betas were, free of the junk and it made for a pretty decent OS.
Same here. I really like this version. No store, cortana or feature upgrades. Hopefully one day I can completely switch to linux. If it weren't for the games I like, I'd be linux only.
Linux is just so much more fun for me, on all fronts.
Only thing keeping me on Win is the vidja games.
I had no idea what I was doing with Arch so I wound up wiping my laptop's HDD rather than trying to dual-boot Linux and Win10. That laptop is the only one I had Windows installed, and now I have no access to my Steam account (unless I install it on my work computer...but probably not).
But Windows was so sluggish and slowing down my computer. I had no idea how fast it could be--even at six years old--until I started using Linux without all that bloat.
To be fair, Windows 10 offers quite decent user experience for me on older systems (x64 still).
I still use windows mainly for a few native Windows applications, e.g. OneNote, Words. But I stick mostly to cross-platform packages, such as Emacs, Mendeley; and I cannot tolerate using Windows with Cygwin.
I haven't tried Arch Linux.
But for user experience, I highly recommend Linux Mint over most other distributions - I know it is not 100% FSF compliant though.
Linux used to be very robust, and it was quite easy to maintain and save a system when something goes wrong. The switch to Systemd from SysVinit makes things more compact and centralized, all in all much like Windows registry. It can be said its more compact, but it is a lot harder to sort out problems, and also save a system when something has gone wrong.
Let's see where will mainstream Linux go.
Same here.But i also use win10 ltsb on my gaming rig.Only way I can stand Win10 these days.
This is about how early betas were, free of the junk and it made for a pretty decent OS.
Same here. I really like this version. No store, cortana or feature upgrades. Hopefully one day I can completely switch to linux. If it weren't for the games I like, I'd be linux only.
Linux is just so much more fun for me, on all fronts.
Only thing keeping me on Win is the vidja games.
I had no idea what I was doing with Arch so I wound up wiping my laptop's HDD rather than trying to dual-boot Linux and Win10. That laptop is the only one I had Windows installed, and now I have no access to my Steam account (unless I install it on my work computer...but probably not).
But Windows was so sluggish and slowing down my computer. I had no idea how fast it could be--even at six years old--until I started using Linux without all that bloat.
To be fair, Windows 10 offers quite decent user experience for me on older systems (x64 still).
I still use windows mainly for a few native Windows applications, e.g. OneNote, Words. But I stick mostly to cross-platform packages, such as Emacs, Mendeley; and I cannot tolerate using Windows with Cygwin.
I haven't tried Arch Linux.
But for user experience, I highly recommend Linux Mint over most other distributions - I know it is not 100% FSF compliant though.
Linux used to be very robust, and it was quite easy to maintain and save a system when something goes wrong. The switch to Systemd from SysVinit makes things more compact and centralized, all in all much like Windows registry. It can be said its more compact, but it is a lot harder to sort out problems, and also save a system when something has gone wrong.
Let's see where will mainstream Linux go.
I'm dedicating this week to learning emacs. I'm no coder or programmer by any means, but I've been reading articles and watching videos showing how emacs with org mode can be a better writing tool, and so I would like to see how that is for me as a student with taking lecture notes and writing papers. The goal would be to untether myself from the mouse and Word, and then see if I can use Vim and emacs with org mode (through evil mode in Spacemacs or Doom emacs). Of course, since my professors more than likely use Word I would need to convert everything, but baby steps first.
Same here.But i also use win10 ltsb on my gaming rig.Only way I can stand Win10 these days.
This is about how early betas were, free of the junk and it made for a pretty decent OS.
Same here. I really like this version. No store, cortana or feature upgrades. Hopefully one day I can completely switch to linux. If it weren't for the games I like, I'd be linux only.
Linux is just so much more fun for me, on all fronts.
Only thing keeping me on Win is the vidja games.
I had no idea what I was doing with Arch so I wound up wiping my laptop's HDD rather than trying to dual-boot Linux and Win10. That laptop is the only one I had Windows installed, and now I have no access to my Steam account (unless I install it on my work computer...but probably not).
But Windows was so sluggish and slowing down my computer. I had no idea how fast it could be--even at six years old--until I started using Linux without all that bloat.
To be fair, Windows 10 offers quite decent user experience for me on older systems (x64 still).
I still use windows mainly for a few native Windows applications, e.g. OneNote, Words. But I stick mostly to cross-platform packages, such as Emacs, Mendeley; and I cannot tolerate using Windows with Cygwin.
I haven't tried Arch Linux.
But for user experience, I highly recommend Linux Mint over most other distributions - I know it is not 100% FSF compliant though.
Linux used to be very robust, and it was quite easy to maintain and save a system when something goes wrong. The switch to Systemd from SysVinit makes things more compact and centralized, all in all much like Windows registry. It can be said its more compact, but it is a lot harder to sort out problems, and also save a system when something has gone wrong.
Let's see where will mainstream Linux go.
I'm dedicating this week to learning emacs. I'm no coder or programmer by any means, but I've been reading articles and watching videos showing how emacs with org mode can be a better writing tool, and so I would like to see how that is for me as a student with taking lecture notes and writing papers. The goal would be to untether myself from the mouse and Word, and then see if I can use Vim and emacs with org mode (through evil mode in Spacemacs or Doom emacs). Of course, since my professors more than likely use Word I would need to convert everything, but baby steps first.
If you're looking to learn VIM, there's a really awesome interactive tutorial here:
http://www.openvim.com/ (http://www.openvim.com/)
It's totally helpful for getting used to the basics! This plus a cheatsheet on your desk should help you get started in no time. :)
Same here.But i also use win10 ltsb on my gaming rig.Only way I can stand Win10 these days.
This is about how early betas were, free of the junk and it made for a pretty decent OS.
Same here. I really like this version. No store, cortana or feature upgrades. Hopefully one day I can completely switch to linux. If it weren't for the games I like, I'd be linux only.
Linux is just so much more fun for me, on all fronts.
Only thing keeping me on Win is the vidja games.
I had no idea what I was doing with Arch so I wound up wiping my laptop's HDD rather than trying to dual-boot Linux and Win10. That laptop is the only one I had Windows installed, and now I have no access to my Steam account (unless I install it on my work computer...but probably not).
But Windows was so sluggish and slowing down my computer. I had no idea how fast it could be--even at six years old--until I started using Linux without all that bloat.
To be fair, Windows 10 offers quite decent user experience for me on older systems (x64 still).
I still use windows mainly for a few native Windows applications, e.g. OneNote, Words. But I stick mostly to cross-platform packages, such as Emacs, Mendeley; and I cannot tolerate using Windows with Cygwin.
I haven't tried Arch Linux.
But for user experience, I highly recommend Linux Mint over most other distributions - I know it is not 100% FSF compliant though.
Linux used to be very robust, and it was quite easy to maintain and save a system when something goes wrong. The switch to Systemd from SysVinit makes things more compact and centralized, all in all much like Windows registry. It can be said its more compact, but it is a lot harder to sort out problems, and also save a system when something has gone wrong.
Let's see where will mainstream Linux go.
I'm dedicating this week to learning emacs. I'm no coder or programmer by any means, but I've been reading articles and watching videos showing how emacs with org mode can be a better writing tool, and so I would like to see how that is for me as a student with taking lecture notes and writing papers. The goal would be to untether myself from the mouse and Word, and then see if I can use Vim and emacs with org mode (through evil mode in Spacemacs or Doom emacs). Of course, since my professors more than likely use Word I would need to convert everything, but baby steps first.
I used to run Gentoo a long time ago, couldn't get it to work with GPT when that was new so had to change. Compiling a kernel on a 2.0ghz P4 laptop took significantly longer than 10 minutes :))Been curious about using Gentoo before but never actually have. Will have to try someday.I really like it. A lot of people joke about compile times, but honestly I've not had anything more than 10 minutes or so on newer hardware. I've also got a binary host setup with pre-compiled packages according to my USE flags.
I used to run Gentoo a long time ago, couldn't get it to work with GPT when that was new so had to change. Compiling a kernel on a 2.0ghz P4 laptop took significantly longer than 10 minutes :))Been curious about using Gentoo before but never actually have. Will have to try someday.I really like it. A lot of people joke about compile times, but honestly I've not had anything more than 10 minutes or so on newer hardware. I've also got a binary host setup with pre-compiled packages according to my USE flags.
Same here.But i also use win10 ltsb on my gaming rig.Only way I can stand Win10 these days.
This is about how early betas were, free of the junk and it made for a pretty decent OS.
Same here. I really like this version. No store, cortana or feature upgrades. Hopefully one day I can completely switch to linux. If it weren't for the games I like, I'd be linux only.
Linux is just so much more fun for me, on all fronts.
Only thing keeping me on Win is the vidja games.
I had no idea what I was doing with Arch so I wound up wiping my laptop's HDD rather than trying to dual-boot Linux and Win10. That laptop is the only one I had Windows installed, and now I have no access to my Steam account (unless I install it on my work computer...but probably not).
But Windows was so sluggish and slowing down my computer. I had no idea how fast it could be--even at six years old--until I started using Linux without all that bloat.
To be fair, Windows 10 offers quite decent user experience for me on older systems (x64 still).
I still use windows mainly for a few native Windows applications, e.g. OneNote, Words. But I stick mostly to cross-platform packages, such as Emacs, Mendeley; and I cannot tolerate using Windows with Cygwin.
I haven't tried Arch Linux.
But for user experience, I highly recommend Linux Mint over most other distributions - I know it is not 100% FSF compliant though.
Linux used to be very robust, and it was quite easy to maintain and save a system when something goes wrong. The switch to Systemd from SysVinit makes things more compact and centralized, all in all much like Windows registry. It can be said its more compact, but it is a lot harder to sort out problems, and also save a system when something has gone wrong.
Let's see where will mainstream Linux go.
I'm dedicating this week to learning emacs. I'm no coder or programmer by any means, but I've been reading articles and watching videos showing how emacs with org mode can be a better writing tool, and so I would like to see how that is for me as a student with taking lecture notes and writing papers. The goal would be to untether myself from the mouse and Word, and then see if I can use Vim and emacs with org mode (through evil mode in Spacemacs or Doom emacs). Of course, since my professors more than likely use Word I would need to convert everything, but baby steps first.
If you are going that path (untether from Word), there is an easy path and a hard core path:
[easy] - use LibreOffice which allows you to collaborate with common users (ODT, DOC, DOCX, compatibility); it is really a relic of the now dead Sun MicroSystem.
[hardcore] - use LaTeX, a dinosaur but still alive doc processing system - and you offers mostly PDF and image files to common users.
There are many LaTeX packages, and a few offers easy integration with Emacs.
In Linux, I have success with TexLive when paired with Emacs.
There is a well-known Emacs package (yes, there are hundreds of packages to try out or to experiment with WITHIN Emacs) called AUCTex which facilitates using LaTeX / TeX within Emacs.
Learning Emacs usually involves learning how to config your initialization file (the .emacs file in your home directory) and therefore understanding a bit of Emacs Lisp, via which the whole extensible and flexible Emacs application is built upon. Learning curve of the hard core path is steep, but you will rejoice after getting used to the slope, and many other techs will be at your fingertips.
I've wanted to install Arch many times in the past but never could figure out how to download it. Oh well. :-X
I've wanted to install Arch many times in the past but never could figure out how to download it. Oh well. :-X
https://www.archlinux.org/download/
I've wanted to install Arch many times in the past but never could figure out how to download it. Oh well. :-X
https://www.archlinux.org/download/
Well I mean obviously but I was never able to figure out how to make it bootable or install it or something. Yes I know there are guides everywhere, etc. but I don't have the time for it.
I've wanted to install Arch many times in the past but never could figure out how to download it. Oh well. :-X
https://www.archlinux.org/download/
Well I mean obviously but I was never able to figure out how to make it bootable or install it or something. Yes I know there are guides everywhere, etc. but I don't have the time for it.
Hehe, I remember reading about someone finding their roommate's laptop in the fridge compiling a Gentoo kernel. The kernel compiling always takes quite a bit. There's much better GPT support now if you'd want to try again, there's sections in the handbook for it!That does not sound healthy, my laptop was good back in the day, no heat issues despite having a proper Radeon with a whole 32mb of RAM!
I used to run Gentoo a long time ago, couldn't get it to work with GPT when that was new so had to change. Compiling a kernel on a 2.0ghz P4 laptop took significantly longer than 10 minutes :))Been curious about using Gentoo before but never actually have. Will have to try someday.I really like it. A lot of people joke about compile times, but honestly I've not had anything more than 10 minutes or so on newer hardware. I've also got a binary host setup with pre-compiled packages according to my USE flags.
Hehe, I remember reading about someone finding their roommate's laptop in the fridge compiling a Gentoo kernel. The kernel compiling always takes quite a bit. There's much better GPT support now if you'd want to try again, there's sections in the handbook for it!
I've wanted to install Arch many times in the past but never could figure out how to download it. Oh well. :-X[/spoiler]
https://www.archlinux.org/download/
Well I mean obviously but I was never able to figure out how to make it bootable or install it or something. Yes I know there are guides everywhere, etc. but I don't have the time for it.
It's a royal PITA. I've been complaining to people both on the 'net and IRL (IT guys) about it and how I wanted to kill myself.
"Just follow the official wiki!"
Yeah, if you're an expert.
"It's easy for newcomers to install if you just read everything there."
Man alive; that guide needs a For Dummies version because the guide is so convoluted; there's no clear-cut way. You have to know half the terminology in order to follow okay, and even then I know people had a hard time installing it and they know way more than me. I had to look up almost ten different wikis and multiple videos to configure it. Then found out I did something wrong so had to do it three-four times before it's finally installed.
I haven't touched a command line since DOS, so this was a HUGE learning experience. I still don't know why the Wi-Fi works at home but not at work... :confused:
For me, the year of Linux on the desktop was 2007...
It's a royal PITA. I've been complaining to people both on the 'net and IRL (IT guys) about it and how I wanted to kill myself.
"Just follow the official wiki!"
Yeah, if you're an expert.
"It's easy for newcomers to install if you just read everything there."
Man alive; that guide needs a For Dummies version because the guide is so convoluted; there's no clear-cut way. You have to know half the terminology in order to follow okay, and even then I know people had a hard time installing it and they know way more than me. I had to look up almost ten different wikis and multiple videos to configure it. Then found out I did something wrong so had to do it three-four times before it's finally installed.
I haven't touched a command line since DOS, so this was a HUGE learning experience. I still don't know why the Wi-Fi works at home but not at work... :confused:
You can probably use this for ArchLinux, it works for other distros:
https://unetbootin.github.io/ (https://unetbootin.github.io/)
I was initially a bit obsessed about fast booting within 10 seconds, but after I have experienced and used systemd and how it decreases the robustness and the transparency when problems arise, I want to stay away from systemd as far as possible, and that diminished my interest in ArchLinux.
Again, preferring SysVinit vs systemd is more about taste and preference about how each system works and the philosophy behind.
There are projects similar to unetbootin, but this project seems to have more consistent maintenance and support.
For me, the year of Linux on the desktop was 2007...My favorite year of Linux was definitely 2013
I've wanted to install Arch many times in the past but never could figure out how to download it. Oh well. :-X
https://www.archlinux.org/download/
Well I mean obviously but I was never able to figure out how to make it bootable or install it or something. Yes I know there are guides everywhere, etc. but I don't have the time for it.
For me, the year of Linux on the desktop was 2007...My favorite year of Linux was definitely 2013
I first installed Linux in 1994. It was an early version of Slackware...on, what seemed to be, a million floppy disks. I dual-booted slackware and Windows 3.1 on an 84MB hard drive. LOL
It can be said its more compact, but it is a lot harder to sort out problems, and also save a system when something has gone wrong.A lot of that is due to a change in grub using disk identifiers. If you strip them out, it makes it far easier to backup and restore to another drive.
I've wanted to install Arch many times in the past but never could figure out how to download it. Oh well. :-XIf you just want the experience of using it, try Antergos.
First time I saw Linux was 1997 or so, Red Hat 6? Not enterprise, this was pre-Fedora. My first install was between 1998 or 2000, spent the next 15 years or so trying to move to it.For me, the year of Linux on the desktop was 2007...My favorite year of Linux was definitely 2013
I first installed Linux in 1994. It was an early version of Slackware...on, what seemed to be, a million floppy disks (for the installation). I dual-booted slackware and Windows 3.1 on an 84MB hard drive. LOL
First time I saw Linux was 1997 or so, Red Hat 6? Not enterprise, this was pre-Fedora. My first install was between 1998 or 2000, spent the next 15 years or so trying to move to it.I installed Linux the first time in 1997 or 1998, and that was Red Hat 5.0 which was the latest Red Hat at the time.
For me, the year of Linux on the desktop was 2007...My favorite year of Linux was definitely 2013
I first installed Linux in 1994. It was an early version of Slackware...on, what seemed to be, a million floppy disks (for the installation). I dual-booted slackware and Windows 3.1 on an 84MB hard drive. LOL
I've wanted to install Arch many times in the past but never could figure out how to download it. Oh well. :-XIf you just want the experience of using it, try Antergos.
Tip, once installed, use Gparted to look at how the partitions are setup, take a picture, screen shot whatever, if you later decide to install Arch you have a guide on how the partitions should look. Or install Antergos or Mint and let that handle your partitions then install arch over that.
Bottom line... cheat!
I've wanted to install Arch many times in the past but never could figure out how to download it. Oh well. :-XIf you just want the experience of using it, try Antergos.
Tip, once installed, use Gparted to look at how the partitions are setup, take a picture, screen shot whatever, if you later decide to install Arch you have a guide on how the partitions should look. Or install Antergos or Mint and let that handle your partitions then install arch over that.
Bottom line... cheat!
That was my biggest issue the first time. I had no idea how to partition my hard drive, let alone doing it correctly.
The first two times, once I figured it out, I didn't partition them correctly. I kept running into issues with the swap space and installing programs. I became irate because I had spent a while customizing Arch, only to realize I had to wipe everything again.
I first installed Ubuntu back in 2007. I messed Windows up badly on my first laptop and didn't know nearly as much as I do now about computers so I tried fixing it myself. Ubuntu back then was excellent, though I've hated it ever since they went to Unity.IIRC they dropped Unity a little while ago. I don't know what they default to now though, maybe KDE?
First time I saw Linux was 1997 or so, Red Hat 6? Not enterprise, this was pre-Fedora. My first install was between 1998 or 2000, spent the next 15 years or so trying to move to it.I installed Linux the first time in 1997 or 1998, and that was Red Hat 5.0 which was the latest Red Hat at the time.
(The same distro for server and desktop. I dunno why they restarted numbering...)
A friend had been using Slackware for over a year at that time, I think. Another guy had been using Linux on his Amiga (!).
I, too, don't care if everything on my computer is FOSS. In fact, I much prefer Photoshop over GIMP. I used both and just thought GIMP was not as polished--which makes sense considering how much money power Adobe has to remit a polished product.
I tried LibreOffice and, while I love the side panel and the ability to customize the windows to match my GUI theme, it was sluggish and didn't work as finesse-ly as Word--again, which makes sense considering how much money power Microsoft has.
But I'm trying to learn Emacs to take over most of my writing anyway, so I hope that won't be an issue. As for other things, I wouldn't mind getting non-FOSS programs/applications if it makes my life easier so I can focus on being productive. If I have time to work on learning something else to get one step closer to have a 100% FOSS computer, then sure; but until then I will take things piecemeal.
I also am interested in installing a BSD OS, but that's for another day.
In those days, getting every extra piece of hardware to work probably involved some hack in the C source code and countless number of compiling and testing and "segmentation fault (core dumped)", and it was a big success if something happened to work and that was not known before.
You are probably some of the earliest Linux adopters I heard of.
but I never could get that Zip drive to boot. :(When I worked at the dotcom they were just phasing out, thankfully.
I first installed Ubuntu back in 2007. I messed Windows up badly on my first laptop and didn't know nearly as much as I do now about computers so I tried fixing it myself. Ubuntu back then was excellent, though I've hated it ever since they went to Unity.IIRC they dropped Unity a little while ago. I don't know what they default to now though, maybe KDE?
I dunno why they restarted numbering...They didn't restart the numbering.
MoreIn those days, getting every extra piece of hardware to work probably involved some hack in the C source code and countless number of compiling and testing and "segmentation fault (core dumped)", and it was a big success if something happened to work and that was not known before.
You are probably some of the earliest Linux adopters I heard of.
Anything before the mass adoption of broadband was a challenge.
Modems were a pain in the rear end, especially winmodems and hardware modems were expensive and you still had to deal with the serial port.
MoreI, too, don't care if everything on my computer is FOSS. In fact, I much prefer Photoshop over GIMP. I used both and just thought GIMP was not as polished--which makes sense considering how much money power Adobe has to remit a polished product.
I tried LibreOffice and, while I love the side panel and the ability to customize the windows to match my GUI theme, it was sluggish and didn't work as finesse-ly as Word--again, which makes sense considering how much money power Microsoft has.
But I'm trying to learn Emacs to take over most of my writing anyway, so I hope that won't be an issue. As for other things, I wouldn't mind getting non-FOSS programs/applications if it makes my life easier so I can focus on being productive. If I have time to work on learning something else to get one step closer to have a 100% FOSS computer, then sure; but until then I will take things piecemeal.
I also am interested in installing a BSD OS, but that's for another day.
There is some commerical software that I cannot live without for reasons:
(1) MS Word: track changes.
(2) Adobe Photoshop: luminosity masks, proper colour space support, and focus stacking
(3) Adobe Lightroom: digital photography, amateur-pro level. There is just no software that is on par with lightroom, even though lightroom is slow
(4) IBM SPSS: theoretically R, but SPSS is great for quick-dirty explorative data analysis.
If it weren't for academia, I would do EVERYTHING in emacs/vim and latex.
IBM SPSS I can do without eventually when I'm more comfortable in R. I don't like R.. the language is weird.
But Lightroom and Photoshop? I really don't know what PROPER alternatives are. I mean gimp is nice, but not great for actual photo editing.
The current release still uses Unity, the next release will use Gnome. However, while betas are out for the next one, they have yet to release the Gnome version, it was probably held up waiting for the latest Gnome to drop, which which was released in the last day or two.I first installed Ubuntu back in 2007. I messed Windows up badly on my first laptop and didn't know nearly as much as I do now about computers so I tried fixing it myself. Ubuntu back then was excellent, though I've hated it ever since they went to Unity.IIRC they dropped Unity a little while ago. I don't know what they default to now though, maybe KDE?
Aren't you guys a bit late to the party? Canonical dropped Mir & Unity 8 on desktop about a year ago (https://arstechnica.com/information-technology/2017/04/ubuntu-unity-is-dead-desktop-will-switch-back-to-gnome-next-year/).
I don't follow the official Ubuntu desktop, but I believe 17.10 already shipped with customized GNOME Shell by default. It was Wayland that got delayed.
The Ubuntu Desktop now uses GNOME instead of Unity.
Aren't you guys a bit late to the party? Canonical dropped Mir & Unity 8 on desktop about a year ago (https://arstechnica.com/information-technology/2017/04/ubuntu-unity-is-dead-desktop-will-switch-back-to-gnome-next-year/).
I don't follow the official Ubuntu desktop, but I believe 17.10 already shipped with customized GNOME Shell by default. It was Wayland that got delayed.
Aren't you guys a bit late to the party? Canonical dropped Mir & Unity 8 on desktop about a year ago (https://arstechnica.com/information-technology/2017/04/ubuntu-unity-is-dead-desktop-will-switch-back-to-gnome-next-year/).
I don't follow the official Ubuntu desktop, but I believe 17.10 already shipped with customized GNOME Shell by default. It was Wayland that got delayed.
Perhaps but I also haven't cared about Ubuntu enough to check in the last year.
I downloaded Ubuntu a few weeks ago and it still came with Unity.
Pre-17.10, sure (including 16.04 LTS), but from 17.10 release notes: (https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ArtfulAardvark/ReleaseNotes)I see what happened, if you go to download it, they are pushing LTS at the top of the page so last time I grabbed it, I got LTS.
I downloaded Ubuntu a few weeks ago and it still came with Unity.Pre-17.10, sure (including 16.04 LTS), but from 17.10 release notes: (https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ArtfulAardvark/ReleaseNotes)I see what happened, if you go to download it, they are pushing LTS at the top of the page so last time I grabbed it, I got LTS.
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let us know when you're done distrohopping and settle on a legit one breh
choices include slack, void, gentoo, lfs and crux (if it's still maintained)
everything else is trash
fite me
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let us know when you're done distrohopping and settle on a legit one breh
choices include slack, void, gentoo, lfs and crux (if it's still maintained)
everything else is trash
fite me
I see that you forgot to mention Hannah Montana Linux
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let us know when you're done distrohopping and settle on a legit one breh
choices include slack, void, gentoo, lfs and crux (if it's still maintained)
everything else is trash
fite me
I see that you forgot to mention Hannah Montana Linux
you mean pedo linux? i dont **** with /g/ memes (gentoo's on the list cause i respect the amount of time gentoo users waste on ricing)
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let us know when you're done distrohopping and settle on a legit one breh
choices include slack, void, gentoo, lfs and crux (if it's still maintained)
everything else is trash
fite me
I see that you forgot to mention Hannah Montana Linux
you mean pedo linux? i dont **** with /g/ memes (gentoo's on the list cause i respect the amount of time gentoo users waste on ricing)
:shrugs: I downloaded a Gentoo Live ISO a few days ago. I was basically in a full blown KDE environment just a few minutes later. So idk about Gentoo users 'these days'.
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lol Gave up on Arch?
I hear Antergos is an easier way of delving into Arch.
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everything else is trash
fite me
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choices include slack, void, gentoo, lfs and crux (if it's still maintained)
everything else is trash
fite me
pls bois, I just didn't wanna do another arch install on this thing. Already did one last week on my thinkpad :-[
Antergos is basically just arch with a gui installer.
Having said that, I realize many of you have nothing better to do than spend hours and hours tinkering with the kind of stuff I mentioned. If you do, I hope you're also creating something (i.e. programming) as part of it—producing something of benefit to others—and not just frittering away the precious time you've been given on earth doing fussy, pointless, hobbyist busy-work.That's like asking people at a keyboard forum to write something meaningful on their fancy keyboards… :-X
If not, why are you here? So you can consume resources, spend your life doing a bunch of little Linux-y stuff, then get old and die? What's the point of something like that? I'm just saying.
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Well, with Antergos you have access to the Zen kernel, so that's kinda neat I guess.
Having said that, I realize many of you have nothing better to do than spend hours and hours tinkering with the kind of stuff I mentioned. If you do, I hope you're also creating something (i.e. programming) as part of it—producing something of benefit to others—and not just frittering away the precious time you've been given on earth doing fussy, pointless, hobbyist busy-work.That's like asking people at a keyboard forum to write something meaningful on their fancy keyboards… :-X
If not, why are you here? So you can consume resources, spend your life doing a bunch of little Linux-y stuff, then get old and die? What's the point of something like that? I'm just saying.
If not, why are you here? So you can consume resources, spend your life doing a bunch of little Linux-y stuff, then get old and die? What's the point of something like that? I'm just saying.I'm here because my parents were too unimaginative to have anything better to do than reproducing, thus my genes did not grant me any imagination either. To compound the tragedy they chose to live in a society where there are no threats to life so I survived to adulthood and in their society of choice families live independently so my loss would be very painful to them, so I still don't really have a choice in the matter. Put a live grenade in front of me in a crowded room and I'll be the first to jump on it - I won't have to go on living this pointless existence and my parents can be consoled knowing I died for the benefit of others.
Linux Mint, baby.
Okay, it's not very imaginative. But when I use a different OS like that (which is fun now and then), I don't want to spend 90% of my time fussing around with tersely written documentation, editing arcane config files, and doing most of my computing from a command line. I want GUIs, stuff that works, and a big community where I can ask questions and someone can answer them in language I understand.
Having said that, I realize many of you have nothing better to do than spend hours and hours tinkering with the kind of stuff I mentioned. If you do, I hope you're also creating something (i.e. programming) as part of it—producing something of benefit to others—and not just frittering away the precious time you've been given on earth doing fussy, pointless, hobbyist busy-work.
If not, why are you here? So you can consume resources, spend your life doing a bunch of little Linux-y stuff, then get old and die? What's the point of something like that? I'm just saying.
If not, why are you here? So you can consume resources, spend your life doing a bunch of little Linux-y stuff, then get old and die? What's the point of something like that? I'm just saying.
The stigma that Arch is hard to install is honestly annoying, the wiki explains the entire process.
Void linux sound like the right distro candidate for the job
Void linux sound like the right distro candidate for the jobShow Image(https://i.imgur.com/14COhR2.png)
Void linux sound like the right distro candidate for the jobShow Image(https://i.imgur.com/14COhR2.png)
Fine. Next time I'll recommend NetBSD
(https://farm1.staticflickr.com/21/33247833_74532997e3_z.jpg?zz=1) (https://flic.kr/p/3Wpqv)NetBSD Toaster (https://flic.kr/p/3Wpqv) by Scott Beale (https://www.flickr.com/photos/laughingsquid/), on Flickr
NetBSD Toaster (https://flic.kr/p/3Wpqv) by Scott Beale (https://www.flickr.com/photos/laughingsquid/), on FlickrShow ImageVoid linux sound like the right distro candidate for the jobShow Image(https://i.imgur.com/14COhR2.png)
Fine. Next time I'll recommend NetBSD
(https://farm1.staticflickr.com/21/33247833_74532997e3_z.jpg?zz=1) (https://flic.kr/p/3Wpqv)
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:shrugs: No one in particular, I'm just spreading the good word of NetBSD (unix-y so somewhat on topic).
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:shrugs: No one in particular, I'm just spreading the good word of NetBSD (unix-y so somewhat on topic).
(https://preview.ibb.co/kqOMjn/who_is_this_nutball.png) (https://ibb.co/m0q1jn)
:shrugs: No one in particular, I'm just spreading the good word of NetBSD (unix-y so somewhat on topic).
It was just an excuse to put that meme together.
In any case, BSD couldn't be more off-putting... especially FreeBSD.
(https://preview.ibb.co/kqOMjn/who_is_this_nutball.png) (https://ibb.co/m0q1jn)
:shrugs: No one in particular, I'm just spreading the good word of NetBSD (unix-y so somewhat on topic).
It was just an excuse to put that meme together.
In any case, BSD couldn't be more off-putting... especially FreeBSD.
Oi, yea. Some of those FreeBSD volunteers seem to have.. issues.
bsds are great. shush.
(https://preview.ibb.co/kqOMjn/who_is_this_nutball.png) (https://ibb.co/m0q1jn)
:shrugs: No one in particular, I'm just spreading the good word of NetBSD (unix-y so somewhat on topic).
It was just an excuse to put that meme together.
In any case, BSD couldn't be more off-putting... especially FreeBSD.
Void linux sound like the right distro candidate for the jobShow Image(https://i.imgur.com/14COhR2.png)
Fine. Next time I'll recommend NetBSD
(https://farm1.staticflickr.com/21/33247833_74532997e3_z.jpg?zz=1) (https://flic.kr/p/3Wpqv)NetBSD Toaster (https://flic.kr/p/3Wpqv) by Scott Beale (https://www.flickr.com/photos/laughingsquid/), on Flickr
I've considered installing NetBSD to my Sharp X68000 but first I have to actually get the system up and running...
Finally built up the courage to try a Slackware install (VM of 14.2 Current). Wifi must be a pita to configure with older hardware/software. Part of me wants to clone the img to a hdd.. #1updateayrShow Image(https://i.imgur.com/GTgOOJt.png)Show Image(https://i.imgur.com/R509b1w.png)Show Image(https://i.imgur.com/frizW7J.png)
Finally built up the courage to try a Slackware install (VM of 14.2 Current). Wifi must be a pita to configure with older hardware/software. Part of me wants to clone the img to a hdd.. #1updateayrShow Image(https://i.imgur.com/GTgOOJt.png)Show Image(https://i.imgur.com/R509b1w.png)Show Image(https://i.imgur.com/frizW7J.png)
>VM
Coward
:p Joking Joking
But that looks great though, might be worth trying out if I ever venture past arch.
I'm looking for a new distro for my main PC as OpenSUSE is incapable of running the new version of EasyAVR (https://github.com/dhowland/EasyAVR/releases/tag/v3.00.00-beta.3) due to Python requirements - it still uses Python2 as default and having upgraded to tumbleweed and added a repo offering hundreds of Python related packages it's still not playing, so I'm giving up.
The only other requirement is that I need to use the nvidia driver and would appreciate that being managed by the package manager.
I would suggest any distro should be able to meet these but as above it's not so. I'm thinking Arch/Gentoo/Void but having used newbie friendly distros since UEFI I'm expecting a dual boot installation to be less than easy so want the first one I chose to be guaranteed to work...
Any recommendations?
I gotta stop hopping
I expect I'll get pushback, but I personally recommend Arch. Admittedly never fully installed gentoo so I can't comment there, and overall I'm a linux noob.Thanks for the non expert opinion - I'm not a newbie having tried most distros through the years but never got UEFI and GPT booting manually, so as good as for this.
Idk, I just like Arch.
Easy to maintain, and as far as I can tell the nvidia drivers are in the official repo. Plus tons of legacy support in the AUR.
I expect I'll get pushback, but I personally recommend Arch. Admittedly never fully installed gentoo so I can't comment there, and overall I'm a linux noob.Thanks for the non expert opinion - I'm not a newbie having tried most distros through the years but never got UEFI and GPT booting manually, so as good as for this.
Idk, I just like Arch.
Easy to maintain, and as far as I can tell the nvidia drivers are in the official repo. Plus tons of legacy support in the AUR.
Does the new EasyAVR definitely work?
Thanks for the non expert opinion - I'm not a newbie having tried most distros through the years but never got UEFI and GPT booting manually, so as good as for this.
Side note
Antergos is straight up Arch while Manjaro uses their own repos, so there is a difference.
Thanks all for the thoughts on Arch - I'll have to read up on nvidia but lots of people use that compared to EasyAVR so there will be something to read :))
Thanks all for the thoughts on Arch - I'll have to read up on nvidia but lots of people use that compared to EasyAVR so there will be something to read :))
If my crusty AMD card has no troubles you'll no doubt be successful with nvidia. But as you know, most seem to avoid the nvidia open source drivers. Damn shame. :))
What's currently the best distro without systemd?
What's currently the best distro without systemd?
Gentoo.
Or Android.
What's currently the best distro without systemd?There is a systemD free Debian (Devuan) and you can do a systemd free install of Arch.
Android?
Android?
Yes it actually works really well on PC. It's the last OS I installed.
http://www.android-x86.org
What's currently the best distro without systemd?
okay-face.jpgWhat's currently the best distro without systemd?
BSD?
Aye, I played with Android x86 several months back when I needed to post an Instagram picture (after many headaches due to Bluestacks and Andy not playing nice with the Play Store).
Why back Android when there are a plethora of distros to choose from? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Linux_distributions_without_systemd (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Linux_distributions_without_systemd)
I've gotta say I enjoyed Slackware and Puppy Linux (Slacko is my favorite version of Puppy Linux).
Aye, I played with Android x86 several months back when I needed to post an Instagram picture (after many headaches due to Bluestacks and Andy not playing nice with the Play Store).
Why back Android when there are a plethora of distros to choose from? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Linux_distributions_without_systemd (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Linux_distributions_without_systemd)
I've gotta say I enjoyed Slackware and Puppy Linux (Slacko is my favorite version of Puppy Linux).
I was using it more as an emulator than as a full time OS. If I were to choose one OS today to download, it would probably be WattOS. Keep in mind that I haven't been paying much attention to Linux in the past year or two.
If I were to choose one OS today to download, it would probably be WattOS.I did some testing on that and it pretty much was no more efficient that straight Ubuntu or Mint (which are pretty good out of the box).
FreeBSD has a cool logo, and imo that's a great reason to try it. :p
FreeBSD has a cool logo, and imo that's a great reason to try it. :p
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FreeBSD has a cool logo, and imo that's a great reason to try it. :p
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So either one female or five males?
I think you've answered for us all.
I gotta stop hopping
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This is why I like NetBSD. Try to find a NetBSD meme that isn't an amazing toaster (forgets about Sidekick phones.. <_<). Unix-y is Linux right? This is totally fine.
This is why I like NetBSD. Try to find a NetBSD meme that isn't an amazing toaster (forgets about Sidekick phones.. <_<). Unix-y is Linux right? This is totally fine.
Do you actually run BSD? Is it to be eclectic, or do you have practical reasons?
This is why I like NetBSD. Try to find a NetBSD meme that isn't an amazing toaster (forgets about Sidekick phones.. <_<). Unix-y is Linux right? This is totally fine.
Do you actually run BSD? Is it to be eclectic, or do you have practical reasons?
Why do you feel the need to question my computing habits?
This is why I like NetBSD. Try to find a NetBSD meme that isn't an amazing toaster (forgets about Sidekick phones.. <_<). Unix-y is Linux right? This is totally fine.
Do you actually run BSD? Is it to be eclectic, or do you have practical reasons?
Why do you feel the need to question my computing habits?
I'm actually just curious. I've never run BSD before (unless I was doing simple router stuff), and I'm wondering if it has any advantages / if I should even bother learning it?
This is why I like NetBSD. Try to find a NetBSD meme that isn't an amazing toaster (forgets about Sidekick phones.. <_<). Unix-y is Linux right? This is totally fine.
Do you actually run BSD? Is it to be eclectic, or do you have practical reasons?
Why do you feel the need to question my computing habits?
I'm actually just curious. I've never run BSD before (unless I was doing simple router stuff), and I'm wondering if it has any advantages / if I should even bother learning it?
Oh, I see. I liked the NetBSD's ncurses style installer (VM--the intention was to eventually install to a PATA drive but the ole ThinkCentre 8193's PSU crapped out). My attempts at installing it to a usb drive through VM/USB passthrough was unfortunately unsuccessful. Darn thing didn't detect the formatted drive as an installation candidate. I downloaded and loaded FreeBSD, OpenBSD, GhostBSD, DragonflyBSD, and TrueOS. TrueOS was... different. NetBSD seemed to stand out the most in my eyes. After one gets past the whole Sidekick phone thing, and learns that Juan Romero Pardines had a part in maintaining NetBSD, it's not so bad.
This is why I like NetBSD. Try to find a NetBSD meme that isn't an amazing toaster (forgets about Sidekick phones.. <_<). Unix-y is Linux right? This is totally fine.
Do you actually run BSD? Is it to be eclectic, or do you have practical reasons?
Why do you feel the need to question my computing habits?
I'm actually just curious. I've never run BSD before (unless I was doing simple router stuff), and I'm wondering if it has any advantages / if I should even bother learning it?
Oh, I see. I liked the NetBSD's ncurses style installer (VM--the intention was to eventually install to a PATA drive but the ole ThinkCentre 8193's PSU crapped out). My attempts at installing it to a usb drive through VM/USB passthrough was unfortunately unsuccessful. Darn thing didn't detect the formatted drive as an installation candidate. I downloaded and loaded FreeBSD, OpenBSD, GhostBSD, DragonflyBSD, and TrueOS. TrueOS was... different. NetBSD seemed to stand out the most in my eyes. After one gets past the whole Sidekick phone thing, and learns that Juan Romero Pardines had a part in maintaining NetBSD, it's not so bad.
It seems like choosing between BSD and Linux these days is like choosing between shells. In their early days, they had different functionality and uses, but today they largely do the same stuff. Shrug.
Also, isn't Juan Pardines the lead contributor to Void? Is there some dirt around him that I don't know about?
Can you install Linux (Mint Xfce) to a USB thumb drive?It shouldn't make any difference what (conventional) storage device you select to partition for installation, as long as it has the right partition table (you might have to create it).
I have the ISO "installed" to a USB 3 drive that runs in Live mode very well. But it always offers to install it to the hard drive.
I'm wondering if I can do a complete install of it to the thumb drive, or is there even a difference when you do so?
Can you install Linux (Mint Xfce) to a USB thumb drive?It shouldn't make any difference what (conventional) storage device you select to partition for installation, as long as it has the right partition table (you might have to create it).
I have the ISO "installed" to a USB 3 drive that runs in Live mode very well. But it always offers to install it to the hard drive.
I'm wondering if I can do a complete install of it to the thumb drive, or is there even a difference when you do so?
But, what kind of "USB drive" do you mean? An external hard drive? A "flash" thumb stick? Beware of reliability issues: many sata-to-usb controllers for hard drives don't support SMART, not to mention flash-memory sticks that often use cheap/slow controllers with poor sector reallocation (i.e., the system might die on you, because you wear out the flash memory).
There are interesting approaches other than traditional installation: some tools for writing images to thumb sticks let you create a persistent-storage partition for data, or you can create the image from scratch (with the various special filesystems) to load the system to tmpfs and then perhaps write changes to the image and so on.
Maybe I'll just get a larger SSD at some point so I can dual-boot with plenty of room to spare. I am hesitant to do this as I've been hearing that Windows can sometimes ruin your Linux partition following an update.Windows has been known to replace the boot sector so you can't boot Linux (until you boot an installer and fix it) but I've never heard of it damaging a partition it can't even read. That sounds like a lawsuit waiting to happen...
Does the persistent data include any software I install?It depends what method you use.
Since having written that post, I realized my backup external hard drive seems to have failed and won't place nice. I snagged a $15 USB 3 to SATA 2.5" connector that I'll be using with a spare drive for backing up stuff, but I'm thinking I could use another spare drive to see how Linux runs on it as this wouldn't cost anything extra... though I dread the thought of booting from a hard drive rather than SSD. Plus, they're pretty large and awkward.Keep in mind that USB or the controller will bottleneck a modern SSD.
The only other thing I could think of is the SD/[other cards] slot as it accepts them fully recessed, though they're probably even less reliable and more expensive than a USB 3 drive.There are reliable industrial SD cards. Not cheap though.
Does the persistent data include any software I install?It depends what method you use.
The checkbox in Ubuntu's Live USB Creator (now discontinued btw afaik) made it create a partition only for data (home directory?). You can manually "install" stuff into your home directory too, though. Changes to the system (i.e., system-wide installs) weren't persistent.
However, if you do it some other way, you can enable persistent changes too. I would look into Arch wiki or how distros like Slax are implemented.Since having written that post, I realized my backup external hard drive seems to have failed and won't place nice. I snagged a $15 USB 3 to SATA 2.5" connector that I'll be using with a spare drive for backing up stuff, but I'm thinking I could use another spare drive to see how Linux runs on it as this wouldn't cost anything extra... though I dread the thought of booting from a hard drive rather than SSD. Plus, they're pretty large and awkward.Keep in mind that USB or the controller will bottleneck a modern SSD.
BTW this is why I love the caddy (formerly UltraBay) on my thinkpad: I have replaced the optical drive by a bracket for a 2.5" HDD, while the laptop came with a 2.5" SSD. I'm not even sure, if it has an M.2 slot too.The only other thing I could think of is the SD/[other cards] slot as it accepts them fully recessed, though they're probably even less reliable and more expensive than a USB 3 drive.There are reliable industrial SD cards. Not cheap though.
Thanks for the input csmertx, davkol, and suicidal_orange.
I didn't know you could add Linux to the Windows bootloader somehow. I'll have to look into this.
It seems like there are many ways to go about it, but each with their own cautions and limitations. If I had a second drive bay, I'd just toss it on there and use the BIOS to select which drive to boot.
Sadly, it is tempting to just run Windows on it and not use Linux, since it's easier and gets the job done. Linux is more of a want, so I'd like to make it work somehow. I know the USB3-SATA will not give SATA speeds, but USB 3.0 speeds seem to be good enough for Linux if my thumb drive is any indication. I wouldn't be using tons of software or files anyways.
Thanks for the input csmertx, davkol, and suicidal_orange.
I didn't know you could add Linux to the Windows bootloader somehow. I'll have to look into this.
It seems like there are many ways to go about it, but each with their own cautions and limitations. If I had a second drive bay, I'd just toss it on there and use the BIOS to select which drive to boot.
Sadly, it is tempting to just run Windows on it and not use Linux, since it's easier and gets the job done. Linux is more of a want, so I'd like to make it work somehow. I know the USB3-SATA will not give SATA speeds, but USB 3.0 speeds seem to be good enough for Linux if my thumb drive is any indication. I wouldn't be using tons of software or files anyways.
If you're computer can handle it and you are hard-set against messing with your partition, I would highly recommend playing with Linux in VirtualBox. It'll let you learn the nitty gritty without fear of messing anything up. That, and you can get up in running in minutes.
It seems like there are many ways to go about it, but each with their own cautions and limitations. If I had a second drive bay, I'd just toss it on there and use the BIOS to select which drive to boot.
Does/has anyone here run plan9 or any of the variants. I've considered giving it a try for the longest time, but I really can't see a reason to. It's mostly dead in the water with the exception of /r/unixporn.
How do you like Devuan?
Currently I surf around on an old laptop using Devuan but want to change it to OpenBSD.
How do you like Devuan?
Currently I surf around on an old laptop using Devuan but want to change it to OpenBSD.
Grab an SSD for quick boots, even if it's only 64GB. The first time I dropped one in a laptop, boot times went from about 55 seconds to about 12 seconds. My latest desktop boots almost instantly.There are machines at work are equipped with cheap 64GB SSDs from Kingston and they're awfully slow running default Linux Mint. Much slower than my old desktop with a 2.5" WD Black.
I wonder whether people have never used, or have managed to forget about super slow SSDs in ultraportables from around/before 2010.
This Thinkpad 240's screen is so low contrast :(
I'm not in the USA so yes. Bonus points if you are an attractive woman (though I imagine you aren't)
Well, I'm going back to Ubuntu MATE on my desktop after a couple years
Well, I'm going back to Ubuntu MATE on my desktop after a couple years
Why not use Linux Mint / Cinnamon?
It is Ubuntu-based and well-refined.
Well, I'm going back to Ubuntu MATE on my desktop after a couple years
Why not use Linux Mint / Cinnamon?
It is Ubuntu-based and well-refined.
Well, I'm going back to Ubuntu MATE on my desktop after a couple years
Why not use Linux Mint / Cinnamon?
It is Ubuntu-based and well-refined.
Linux Mint has too much crap I don't care for and more refinement than I prefer. It is too refined and user friendly for my tastes. The way that I judge a Linux distros is by the "wtf is this crap" threshold. Basically, when I am taking a distro for a test ride, if I find myself throwing up my arms and saying "wtf is this crap" too many times, I am less inclined to use the distro. And when I use Linux Mint MATE and Ubuntu MATE, there is an increased amount of WTFs with Linux Mint.
Although I might take Linux Mint for another ride tonight on the ole Virtual Box before making my final decision. Refinement always is sexy.
Well, I'm going back to Ubuntu MATE on my desktop after a couple years
Why not use Linux Mint / Cinnamon?
It is Ubuntu-based and well-refined.
Linux Mint has too much crap I don't care for and more refinement than I prefer. It is too refined and user friendly for my tastes. The way that I judge a Linux distros is by the "wtf is this crap" threshold. Basically, when I am taking a distro for a test ride, if I find myself throwing up my arms and saying "wtf is this crap" too many times, I am less inclined to use the distro. And when I use Linux Mint MATE and Ubuntu MATE, there is an increased amount of WTFs with Linux Mint.
Although I might take Linux Mint for another ride tonight on the ole Virtual Box before making my final decision. Refinement always is sexy.
I have my "wtf is this crap" moments when I find myself working to remove more than a handful of packages after installing distro X.
Well, I'm going back to Ubuntu MATE on my desktop after a couple years
Why not use Linux Mint / Cinnamon?
It is Ubuntu-based and well-refined.
Linux Mint has too much crap I don't care for and more refinement than I prefer. It is too refined and user friendly for my tastes. The way that I judge a Linux distros is by the "wtf is this crap" threshold. Basically, when I am taking a distro for a test ride, if I find myself throwing up my arms and saying "wtf is this crap" too many times, I am less inclined to use the distro. And when I use Linux Mint MATE and Ubuntu MATE, there is an increased amount of WTFs with Linux Mint.
Although I might take Linux Mint for another ride tonight on the ole Virtual Box before making my final decision. Refinement always is sexy.
I have my "wtf is this crap" moments when I find myself working to remove more than a handful of packages after installing distro X.
It's either so bloated that I'm overwhelmed with features and apps and a flashy UI or so minimal that it lacks everything beyond the basics and I spend hours modifying the thing. Ubuntu MATE hits the sweet spot for me among the major distro offerings: has all the basics and a few extras that I like, but not so much that I uninstall half of the apps and modify the entire look and feel.
And I am a fan of MATE, which has all the functionality and customizations that I want without trying to be overly modern (Hello KDE and Cinnamon) or straight out of the 90s (any DE that advertises itself as lightweight).
If I can get away with it I'll usually only settle for a DE with a total ram usage of < 400MB.This is actually not a good way to judge and is old thinking.
If I can get away with it I'll usually only settle for a DE with a total ram usage of < 400MB.This is actually not a good way to judge and is old thinking.
Not only can the OS scale memory usage when needed, you have ram expressly for the purpose of being used. You are building fast machine, then tying one arm behind it's back because you don't want it using both when it actually needs to use both. Not only can the system scale up and down memory use as needed, but by picking a D.E. based on memory means you are ignoring a lot of other things as well, primarily hardware rendering and CPU enhancements which can pay off greatly while under load. This is even more important on laptops where that efficiency translates to battery life, if you can trade a bit of unused memory to conserve battery, why would you not do that?
Unused is the key to all of this, if your memory isn't being used, it's being wasted. I can understand wanting this on a system with little ram, but if you have a modern system with modern enhancements you probably also have the ram to match. You may actually be doing more harm than good.
I wasn't commenting as if I thought everyone should use my configuration. It took me six years to build up to the point of where I am; I'm not about to tell anyone that it's my way of the highway. I wouldn't expect any Linux user to install their system from scratch. That's just crazy talk. Now if I could just kick the systemd habit I would totally switch everything over to runit (although I would miss the ease of restarting certain 'stack' services). Why does systemd even have some of the features it has? Who doesn't use cron? But I digress.I forgot you were in so deep (sorry), you're way beyond what most people are looking at or for.
I wasn't commenting as if I thought everyone should use my configuration. It took me six years to build up to the point of where I am; I'm not about to tell anyone that it's my way of the highway. I wouldn't expect any Linux user to install their system from scratch. That's just crazy talk. Now if I could just kick the systemd habit I would totally switch everything over to runit (although I would miss the ease of restarting certain 'stack' services). Why does systemd even have some of the features it has? Who doesn't use cron? But I digress.I forgot you were in so deep (sorry), you're way beyond what most people are looking at or for.
I just didn't want anyone getting the idea that memory was the only thing to watch for, it's kind of a pet peeve of mine. It used to be extremely common for Linux users (especially new ones) to use memory use to bash Windows by claiming Linux was faster because lower memory requirements (there are/were plenty of legitimate ways to bash Windows). This sort of FUD is still being used today, one distro even uses similar thinking as one of their main selling points.
Systemd hasn't been a big deal for me really and while I can see it being problematic for some things, I've gotten the distinct impression a lot of people are just angry because something they are used to has changed. They don't care why, they just don't want to have to change their ways.
I USE WINDOWS 98.Show Image(http://img10.deviantart.net/a33b/i/2011/151/7/7/windows_98_boot_screen_by_pkmnct-d3hkkxk.jpg)
I USE WINDOWS 98.Show Image(http://img10.deviantart.net/a33b/i/2011/151/7/7/windows_98_boot_screen_by_pkmnct-d3hkkxk.jpg)
You mean this?Show Image(https://i.redditmedia.com/C9RSsxSS7KygJQbN53bBYfEeq5YWBB3ZxpIBKo_1htY.png?s=d0d52ef580ff97f5a73d5fd952ef1795)
https://github.com/grassmunk/Chicago95
@csmertx - i'm all for ditching DEs but if you are looking for a nice DE that doesn't totally hog all your RAM, kde/plasma is real nice. whenever i have machines setup with a full DE it's either KDE or XFCE these days.
@csmertx - i'm all for ditching DEs but if you are looking for a nice DE that doesn't totally hog all your RAM, kde/plasma is real nice. whenever i have machines setup with a full DE it's either KDE or XFCE these days.
Dude, KDE hogs so much of my memory. Xfce4 is supah lightweight. Downloaded in like two minutes with all the goodies. KDE took four times as long.
No...thanks...
@csmertx - i'm all for ditching DEs but if you are looking for a nice DE that doesn't totally hog all your RAM, kde/plasma is real nice. whenever i have machines setup with a full DE it's either KDE or XFCE these days.
Dude, KDE hogs so much of my memory. Xfce4 is supah lightweight. Downloaded in like two minutes with all the goodies. KDE took four times as long.
No...thanks...
well KDE is still heavier than xfce for sure but they've made great strides with plasma 5 to reduce overhead. depending on your distro and how much of KDE you pulled, there might be lots of other services running that are ripe for disabling.
/goes back to cwm/chrome/urxvt environment
I USE WINDOWS 98.Show Image(http://img10.deviantart.net/a33b/i/2011/151/7/7/windows_98_boot_screen_by_pkmnct-d3hkkxk.jpg)
You mean this?Show Image(https://i.redditmedia.com/C9RSsxSS7KygJQbN53bBYfEeq5YWBB3ZxpIBKo_1htY.png?s=d0d52ef580ff97f5a73d5fd952ef1795)
https://github.com/grassmunk/Chicago95
@csmertx - i'm all for ditching DEs but if you are looking for a nice DE that doesn't totally hog all your RAM, kde/plasma is real nice. whenever i have machines setup with a full DE it's either KDE or XFCE these days.
Dude, KDE hogs so much of my memory. Xfce4 is supah lightweight. Downloaded in like two minutes with all the goodies. KDE took four times as long.
No...thanks...
well KDE is still heavier than xfce for sure but they've made great strides with plasma 5 to reduce overhead. depending on your distro and how much of KDE you pulled, there might be lots of other services running that are ripe for disabling.
/goes back to cwm/chrome/urxvt environment
Oh man, KDE dependencies, the gift that keeps on giving. Although, Plasma's frosted glass transparent look thingy might be worth 2GBs of RAM..
@csmertx - i'm all for ditching DEs but if you are looking for a nice DE that doesn't totally hog all your RAM, kde/plasma is real nice. whenever i have machines setup with a full DE it's either KDE or XFCE these days.
Dude, KDE hogs so much of my memory. Xfce4 is supah lightweight. Downloaded in like two minutes with all the goodies. KDE took four times as long.
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I can tie together several tools (compton, udiskie, clipit, dunst, nitrogen, unclutter, stardict, etc.) that take the place of DE tools and services.
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I can tie together several tools (compton, udiskie, clipit, dunst, nitrogen, unclutter, stardict, etc.) that take the place of DE tools and services.
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For the first time when reading what someone uses I have no idea what any of these are - I'd ask for a screenshot but sounds like there wouldn't be much to see :)) I'll have several long reads and see if any of it could be useful...
Reason being I'm looking for a new distro coming from OpenSUSE with KDE (seriously, who designs an applet to tell you there are updates available which pops up over the easiest button you can click to install said updates? And if it must could it not have a close button so you don't have to wait 5 seconds for it to disappear??) I'm still leaning towards Arch or Gentoo with no major xxx-desktop package to avoid updating all the 'user friendly' config utilities and apps/games I'll never use, but any rolling distro would do.
Is distrowatch.com (https://distrowatch.com/) still the best list?
@csmertx - i'm all for ditching DEs but if you are looking for a nice DE that doesn't totally hog all your RAM, kde/plasma is real nice. whenever i have machines setup with a full DE it's either KDE or XFCE these days.
Dude, KDE hogs so much of my memory. Xfce4 is supah lightweight. Downloaded in like two minutes with all the goodies. KDE took four times as long.
(a) Plasma memory consumption in current releases is on par with Xfce4
(b) there are KDE Applications (that share memory) and Plasma features entirely missing from Xfce4—to achieve parity, one needs to get a bunch of GNOME/MATE libraries and utilities (or look up lightweight alternatives)
Holy dependencies, KDE. I looked to install a couple KDE apps that I like, but the list of dependencies was about as long as my current amount of installed packages. Wtf.
And when I use Linux Mint MATE and Ubuntu MATE, there is an increased amount of WTFs with Linux Mint.That's partly why I too chose Ubuntu Mate. I had tested both and had WTF moments with Mint.
That's partly why I too chose Ubuntu Mate. I had tested both and had WTF moments with Mint.There isn't a desktop interface out there without some WTF moments, and that includes Mac and Windows as well.
Since Xfce is the only way I fly, Mint Xfce, ChaletOS, and Linux Lite have all been great for me.
Mint is my install at the moment but I'm thinking of having ChaletOS for the ThinkPad.
Arch Linux
@sth -- Oh, you were serious about KDE. Whoops, I thought you were joking. :-[ To be fair I'm not a fan of KDE or Gnome so take that as you will.
Since Xfce is the only way I fly, Mint Xfce, ChaletOS, and Linux Lite have all been great for me.
Mint is my install at the moment but I'm thinking of having ChaletOS for the ThinkPad.
What is the appeal of ChaletOS over Mint Xfce for you?
@sth -- Oh, you were serious about KDE. Whoops, I thought you were joking. :-[ To be fair I'm not a fan of KDE or Gnome so take that as you will.
haha that's all you had to say.
i wont lie, KDE is pretty and honestly my favorite of the current DE offerings, but i always come back to cwm + lemonbar. no need for the bells and whistles...
Since Xfce is the only way I fly, Mint Xfce, ChaletOS, and Linux Lite have all been great for me.
Mint is my install at the moment but I'm thinking of having ChaletOS for the ThinkPad.
What is the appeal of ChaletOS over Mint Xfce for you?
I just liked the way it looked and ran (and it had lots of very nice desktop backgrounds). Otherwise it's much like using any other Ubuntu-based Xfce distro.
My biggest concern with Linux is software support/availability, so I gravitate towards Mint Xfce just to be using such a popular and well-supported distro.
I'm actually not sure what the state of upkeep is on ChaletOS as it seems to be falling by the wayside, so it might not be a great option anymore, sadly. I hadn't looked at it in a while, and it looks like last release was 2016-07-12.
Since Xfce is the only way I fly, Mint Xfce, ChaletOS, and Linux Lite have all been great for me.
Mint is my install at the moment but I'm thinking of having ChaletOS for the ThinkPad.
What is the appeal of ChaletOS over Mint Xfce for you?
I just liked the way it looked and ran (and it had lots of very nice desktop backgrounds). Otherwise it's much like using any other Ubuntu-based Xfce distro.
My biggest concern with Linux is software support/availability, so I gravitate towards Mint Xfce just to be using such a popular and well-supported distro.
I'm actually not sure what the state of upkeep is on ChaletOS as it seems to be falling by the wayside, so it might not be a great option anymore, sadly. I hadn't looked at it in a while, and it looks like last release was 2016-07-12.
That's the story with so many Linux variants. Apricity OS comes to mind. A nice spin on making Arch usable for the newb. And now gone. The beauty and tragedy of Linux is the ability for anyone to create anything, and then simply disappear.
That's the story with so many Linux variants. Apricity OS comes to mind. A nice spin on making Arch usable for the newb. And now gone. The beauty and tragedy of Linux is the ability for anyone to create anything, and then simply disappear.I liked Apricity, but it seemed to have more and more (minor) problems.
That's the story with so many Linux variants. Apricity OS comes to mind. A nice spin on making Arch usable for the newb. And now gone. The beauty and tragedy of Linux is the ability for anyone to create anything, and then simply disappear.I liked Apricity, but it seemed to have more and more (minor) problems.
Antergos is very similar to Apricity, it's been around longer and not likely going anywhere.
If you still want the Mac look, install Cairo, otherwise you get almost the same thing with Antergos.
That's the story with so many Linux variants. Apricity OS comes to mind. A nice spin on making Arch usable for the newb. And now gone. The beauty and tragedy of Linux is the ability for anyone to create anything, and then simply disappear.I liked Apricity, but it seemed to have more and more (minor) problems.
Antergos is very similar to Apricity, it's been around longer and not likely going anywhere.
If you still want the Mac look, install Cairo, otherwise you get almost the same thing with Antergos.
What kind of desktop is CLI?
"Command Line Interface" ? ... so.. the console?
What kind of desktop is CLI?"Command Line Interface" ? ... so.. the console?
A few days ago I installed Antergos on a new USB drive and one of the 'desktop' options from the LiveISO installation media (XFCE, MATE, KDE, GNOME, etc.) was just install what I need for a tty1 (CLI). I'm not sure if Antergos saved me any time when compared to installing a base system with Arch Linux but my brain thanked me during partitioning/formatting. Now I have a full bug-out OS on my keychain. lol
What kind of desktop is CLI?"Command Line Interface" ? ... so.. the console?
A few days ago I installed Antergos on a new USB drive and one of the 'desktop' options from the LiveISO installation media (XFCE, MATE, KDE, GNOME, etc.) was just install what I need for a tty1 (CLI). I'm not sure if Antergos saved me any time when compared to installing a base system with Arch Linux but my brain thanked me during partitioning/formatting. Now I have a full bug-out OS on my keychain. lol
i urge you to get familiar with the partitioning/formatting process... it will save your ass down the road at one point or another, guaranteed :D
What kind of desktop is CLI?"Command Line Interface" ? ... so.. the console?
A few days ago I installed Antergos on a new USB drive and one of the 'desktop' options from the LiveISO installation media (XFCE, MATE, KDE, GNOME, etc.) was just install what I need for a tty1 (CLI). I'm not sure if Antergos saved me any time when compared to installing a base system with Arch Linux but my brain thanked me during partitioning/formatting. Now I have a full bug-out OS on my keychain. lol
i urge you to get familiar with the partitioning/formatting process... it will save your ass down the road at one point or another, guaranteed :D
I'm not sure if Antergos saved me any time when compared to installing a base system with Arch Linux but my brain thanked me during partitioning/formatting. Now I have a full bug-out OS on my keychain. lolThe partitioning system is so bad I honestly think it was done that way on purpose just to keep away the casuals.
What kind of desktop is CLI?"Command Line Interface" ? ... so.. the console?
A few days ago I installed Antergos on a new USB drive and one of the 'desktop' options from the LiveISO installation media (XFCE, MATE, KDE, GNOME, etc.) was just install what I need for a tty1 (CLI). I'm not sure if Antergos saved me any time when compared to installing a base system with Arch Linux but my brain thanked me during partitioning/formatting. Now I have a full bug-out OS on my keychain. lol
i urge you to get familiar with the partitioning/formatting process... it will save your ass down the road at one point or another, guaranteed :D
What a pain it was. I mean, I definitely learned a lot doing it on both an HP and Mac, but I do not look forward to doing it again.
What kind of desktop is CLI?"Command Line Interface" ? ... so.. the console?
A few days ago I installed Antergos on a new USB drive and one of the 'desktop' options from the LiveISO installation media (XFCE, MATE, KDE, GNOME, etc.) was just install what I need for a tty1 (CLI). I'm not sure if Antergos saved me any time when compared to installing a base system with Arch Linux but my brain thanked me during partitioning/formatting. Now I have a full bug-out OS on my keychain. lol
i urge you to get familiar with the partitioning/formatting process... it will save your ass down the road at one point or another, guaranteed :D
btw, I use Arch Linux :cool:
What kind of desktop is CLI?"Command Line Interface" ? ... so.. the console?
A few days ago I installed Antergos on a new USB drive and one of the 'desktop' options from the LiveISO installation media (XFCE, MATE, KDE, GNOME, etc.) was just install what I need for a tty1 (CLI). I'm not sure if Antergos saved me any time when compared to installing a base system with Arch Linux but my brain thanked me during partitioning/formatting. Now I have a full bug-out OS on my keychain. lol
i urge you to get familiar with the partitioning/formatting process... it will save your ass down the road at one point or another, guaranteed :D
btw, I use Arch Linux :cool:
sorry im on the new meme distro, arch is officially fuddy duddy material now
Well, atleast Arch users aren't worried about hugs.
What kind of desktop is CLI?"Command Line Interface" ? ... so.. the console?
A few days ago I installed Antergos on a new USB drive and one of the 'desktop' options from the LiveISO installation media (XFCE, MATE, KDE, GNOME, etc.) was just install what I need for a tty1 (CLI). I'm not sure if Antergos saved me any time when compared to installing a base system with Arch Linux but my brain thanked me during partitioning/formatting. Now I have a full bug-out OS on my keychain. lol
i urge you to get familiar with the partitioning/formatting process... it will save your ass down the road at one point or another, guaranteed :D
btw, I use Arch Linux :cool:
sorry im on the new meme distro, arch is officially fuddy duddy material now
xbps-query -Rs void-meme-wallpapers.... dang nothing. Well, atleast Arch users aren't worried about hugs.
Well, atleast Arch users aren't worried about hugs.
oh boy you're one of them :rolleyes:
Ah, I was too familiar with tongue-in-cheek references. Once again I apologise for my perceived brashness. Now that's out of way, can we continue with relevant Linux discussions?
Ah, I was too familiar with tongue-in-cheek references. Once again I apologise for my perceived brashness. Now that's out of way, can we continue with relevant Linux discussions?
yes. teamviewer 13 beta for linux has terrible issues with mod keys sticking between window focus/unfocus events. will i complain to teamviewer or file a bug report? of course not
Ah, I was too familiar with tongue-in-cheek references. Once again I apologise for my perceived brashness. Now that's out of way, can we continue with relevant Linux discussions?
yes. teamviewer 13 beta for linux has terrible issues with mod keys sticking between window focus/unfocus events. will i complain to teamviewer or file a bug report? of course not
Did you check the upstream for any mention of the bug?
Ah, I was too familiar with tongue-in-cheek references. Once again I apologise for my perceived brashness. Now that's out of way, can we continue with relevant Linux discussions?
yes. teamviewer 13 beta for linux has terrible issues with mod keys sticking between window focus/unfocus events. will i complain to teamviewer or file a bug report? of course not
Did you check the upstream for any mention of the bug?
NO ID RATHER JUST COMPLAIN >:(
Ah, I was too familiar with tongue-in-cheek references. Once again I apologise for my perceived brashness. Now that's out of way, can we continue with relevant Linux discussions?
yes. teamviewer 13 beta for linux has terrible issues with mod keys sticking between window focus/unfocus events. will i complain to teamviewer or file a bug report? of course not
Did you check the upstream for any mention of the bug?
NO ID RATHER JUST COMPLAIN >:(
Does anyone here use OpenBSD? Or have in the past?
If so, how did you use it (what for) and what kind of computer?
Does anyone here use OpenBSD? Or have in the past?
If so, how did you use it (what for) and what kind of computer?
My thoughts on BSD have always been that it's best left to servers and special purpose workstations.
It's not really a good desktop OS in the traditional sense if that's what you are after.
It's got a great mascot though.
My thoughts on BSD have always been that it's best left to servers and special purpose workstations.
It's not really a good desktop OS in the traditional sense if that's what you are after.
It's got a great mascot though.
OpenBSD was supposed to have good support for the ThinkPads. I briefly messed around with it, when I had one. It's super easy to install, and the documentation is good. There's never been an official forum though, for when you feel like asking something but don't want to disturb mailing lists.
Building a router / firewall was on my list of projects but I canned that idea. Probably a little over the top for my usage. I already had a fileserver with FreeBSD that's a pain to administer from time to time.
openbsd forums aren't usually necessary for troubleshooting/tutorials given the quality of documentation it ships with :)RTFM? Who the heck does that?
openbsd forums aren't usually necessary for troubleshooting/tutorials given the quality of documentation it ships with :)RTFM? Who the heck does that?
Another reason is because the people using it are generally not noobs to the Unix environment.
openbsd forums aren't usually necessary for troubleshooting/tutorials given the quality of documentation it ships with :)RTFM? Who the heck does that?
Another reason is because the people using it are generally not noobs to the Unix environment.
I agree that generally OpenBSD users aren't new to Unix and learning on your own is part of the culture. However, I feel like RTFM is the quintessential toxic reply that comes out of the Unix community and causes any genuinely ignorant new users to not walk, but run back to Windoze.
However, I feel like RTFM is the quintessential toxic reply that comes out of the Unix community and causes any genuinely ignorant new users to not walk, but run back to Windoze.In many cases that's exactly what they are hoping for.
However, I feel like RTFM is the quintessential toxic reply that comes out of the Unix community and causes any genuinely ignorant new users to not walk, but run back to Windoze.
RTFM is the quintessential toxic reply that comes out of the Unix community and causes any genuinely ignorant new users to not walk, but run back to Windoze.
RTFM is the quintessential toxic reply that comes out of the Unix community and causes any genuinely ignorant new users to not walk, but run back to Windoze.
As if there actually WAS an FM that you could read. As always, the answer that you get depends on the question that you ask, and a newbie rarely knows precisely what and how to ask.
That was my experience, a few years ago, after piddling around with Ubuntu for a couple of years, I concluded that I wanted to try to work with OpenSUSE. What I encountered in the (so-called) Help section of the forum was a shark tank of clearly angry and frustrated (mostly) males who were simply drooling for the opportunity insult and humiliate anyone less knowledgeable than themselves. Probably around half the time, the "answers" that I got consisted of long ranting insults that never even addressed my question, and most of the other half were cryptic single lines of code with no other instructions or context. And this was for inquiries about things like how to get the wireless card in my laptop recognized.
It was a singularly ugly and off-putting experience, I am not sure that I have ever encountered anything quite like it.
Afterwards, I moved to Linux Mint Cinnamon and have been very happy since, since I am an ordinary user and don't particularly want to have to delve very deep into code.
However, I feel like RTFM is the quintessential toxic reply that comes out of the Unix community and causes any genuinely ignorant new users to not walk, but run back to Windoze.
that's fine, i want my peers in the professional linux/unix community to ask questions the smart way (http://www.catb.org/esr/faqs/smart-questions.html).
Don't waste your time, or ours, on crude primate politics.http://www.catb.org/esr/faqs/smart-questions.html#idm46060474128336
However, I feel like RTFM is the quintessential toxic reply that comes out of the Unix community and causes any genuinely ignorant new users to not walk, but run back to Windoze.
that's fine, i want my peers in the professional linux/unix community to ask questions the smart way (http://www.catb.org/esr/faqs/smart-questions.html).QuoteDon't waste your time, or ours, on crude primate politics.http://www.catb.org/esr/faqs/smart-questions.html#idm46060474128336
Seriously? I get the need for clear and concise questions, but Jesus Christ--this 'the King will read your questions now' kind of maddness is maddening.
I distro hop a lot at work - basically whatever has the packages I need and performs reasonably well. For various reasons I need a GUI, usually running in a VM on my main workstation.Docker seems pretty awesome, if you're a programmer.
I was using Fedora, but switched back to Ubuntu. One of our clients setup an Ubuntu server in Azure and I was encouraged to duplicate their setup to test our app in Azure. Ubuntu seemed reasonably stable, so I setup an Ubuntu Mate desktop in a VM for miscellaneous purposes.
Although a lot of what I used Linux for I am now doing with Docker, like installing a certain combination of Python packages without corrupting the Python install on my main workstation. Previously done in a VM, now done in Docker.
Only time I've ever used Linux is on my Raspberry Pi... so Raspbian! Has made me want to try other linux distros though.I'm sure you could get some good recommendations as to where to start. And there's always the option of running them in a VM like Virtualbox.
I guess this is progress...Show Image(https://i.imgur.com/oUAk165.png)
Sounds like a stupid question but how do I know what I'm using when it comes to booting these days? I have a flashy UEFI bios and thought I was using it but the Arch install guide talks about adding grub to the list of UEFI OSes held in bios, accessed by a hotkey on boot. I don't use this menu, instead I think I have grub installed on the MBR as has been the way things were done since grub took over from lilo.If you open a disk partitioning program you should be able to see if it's partitioned using GPT (uefi) or MBR (dos). Windows 7 can use Uefi, but it's tricky to do and was really only done by a few OEM manufacturers, generally you don't see UEFI boot until Windows 8 or 8.1. Copying the UEFI parition or files will not make a disk UEFI, this goes deeper as to how the partitions are actually created and identified to the system.
Only confused because openSUSE is what I'm currently running and it has the 100mb partition windows created mounted at /boot/efi, so that's what I've copied :confused:
(In case anyone's trying to follow I have two drives - one dual boots Win7 for my old i3 and openSUSE, the other has win7 for my new mobo and I'm adding Arch to it)
Edit: Succesfully used 'grub-install /dev/sda' which claims to use UEFI mode as it's default but to add Windows I had to use the msdos entry as that's apparently what my partition table is. Was created by Windows 7 so I would have expected GPT but apparently not... I still have no idea how my computer works but it does so can't complain! So far I have firefox and audacity installed, not much use without any WM/DE :))
Sounds like a stupid question but how do I know what I'm using when it comes to booting these days? I have a flashy UEFI bios and thought I was using it but the Arch install guide talks about adding grub to the list of UEFI OSes held in bios, accessed by a hotkey on boot. I don't use this menu, instead I think I have grub installed on the MBR as has been the way things were done since grub took over from lilo.If you open a disk partitioning program you should be able to see if it's partitioned using GPT (uefi) or MBR (dos). Windows 7 can use Uefi, but it's tricky to do and was really only done by a few OEM manufacturers, generally you don't see UEFI boot until Windows 8 or 8.1. Copying the UEFI parition or files will not make a disk UEFI, this goes deeper as to how the partitions are actually created and identified to the system.
Only confused because openSUSE is what I'm currently running and it has the 100mb partition windows created mounted at /boot/efi, so that's what I've copied :confused:
(In case anyone's trying to follow I have two drives - one dual boots Win7 for my old i3 and openSUSE, the other has win7 for my new mobo and I'm adding Arch to it)
Edit: Succesfully used 'grub-install /dev/sda' which claims to use UEFI mode as it's default but to add Windows I had to use the msdos entry as that's apparently what my partition table is. Was created by Windows 7 so I would have expected GPT but apparently not... I still have no idea how my computer works but it does so can't complain! So far I have firefox and audacity installed, not much use without any WM/DE :))
Basically, if the disk was first initialized with Win7 or older, it's going to be MBR unless you specifically went in and purposely recreated the partition table (not the partitions) to GPT, and doing so will destroy the partitions and data on the disk (this does not wipe the data, do not use it and think your data is now safe!). Windows generally will not format it to something other than it already is and tends to default to MBR unless you are using 8.1 or Win10, so if you do want to convert it, setup your Windows install stick using Rufus and set the stick to use GPT or use a Linux Distro with Gparted to set the drive partitioning to GPT.
Grub works in UEFI and MBR.
All that said, it's not a big deal.
I've looked into it many times to see why GPT was supposed to be better, and not once has anyone really made any compelling argument as to why GPT is actually better. Yes, UFI has some advantages (less than people think) but UEFI is not GPT, it's just the preferred partitioning system for GPT, UEFI will boot MBR just fine. What I wish they would do though is fix the darn bios/uefi load time, I find it insane that for all these "imrpovements", bios load times have gotten longer while the system load time has gotten shorter. At this point bios loading takes up almost 50% of my boot time.
Arch, it's a headache.Fixed that for you. :))
This is more worrying, I thought most people loved Arch? Hopefully I'm with them not you :))Arch, it's a headache.Fixed that for you. :))
I think I had dual boot issues when Windows tried to fix a 'boot problem'. Nope, in the future Windows will (if any) reside on a separate hotswap drive. I automate daily snapshots with Borgbackup but I'd rather not go through the trouble of restoring Arch. Even if it only takes a few hours--it's still a headache I'd rather avoid.Boot live DVD/USB, mount and chroot to the installed Linux, run grub-install, reboot? Windows only kills the bootloader, it's annoying but shouldn't take more than 15 mins to fix. Unless you need to download/burn an ISO...
Thanks for the explanation Leslieann - I've been a mainly Linux user for so long I don't really know what Windows does but Win7 creating an EFI partition lead me to believe it was using something new and flashy when it wasn't. After a drive failure I read it was easier to install Windows first then Linux and sure enough it worked with all the 'newbie friendly' distros (no need to recover grub and sometimes Windows was even added automatically) so I've stuck with it. Now I'm looking for something a bit more interesting I actually have to know - UEFI/MBR it is.This is more worrying, I thought most people loved Arch? Hopefully I'm with them not you :))Arch, it's a headache.Fixed that for you. :))I think I had dual boot issues when Windows tried to fix a 'boot problem'. Nope, in the future Windows will (if any) reside on a separate hotswap drive. I automate daily snapshots with Borgbackup but I'd rather not go through the trouble of restoring Arch. Even if it only takes a few hours--it's still a headache I'd rather avoid.Boot live DVD/USB, mount and chroot to the installed Linux, run grub-install, reboot? Windows only kills the bootloader, it's annoying but shouldn't take more than 15 mins to fix. Unless you need to download/burn an ISO...
I thought most people loved Arch?
Meh, chrooting every other time I recieve a Windows update that needs multiple restarts is not my preferred cup of tea. You're braver than I am. :confused:Pretty sure I've not had this problem this year, maybe win8/10 are worse though. When I started in Linux you had to remember to update the config file and reinstall lilo after a kernel update (compiled from source after carefully going through the new feature options by hand) as lilo didn't read the options from a file as grub does. Couple this with a small hard drive and the irresponsibility of youth meaning the old kernel was deleted without trace while the new one was compiling and the ratio of kernel updates (at least weekly to play with the latest patchset) to times you needed to do a liveCD/chroot recovery was probably 80%. I feel like the old guy telling a 'back in my day...' story :))
I can only imagine that this is some kind of Stockholm syndrome. The way to a running Arch installation is so painful that they won't even dare to go anywhere else when it's done.
Arch is not for everyone.
Thanks for the explanation Leslieann - I've been a mainly Linux user for so long I don't really know what Windows does but Win7 creating an EFI partition lead me to believe it was using something new and flashy when it wasn't. After a drive failure I read it was easier to install Windows first then Linux and sure enough it worked with all the 'newbie friendly' distros (no need to recover grub and sometimes Windows was even added automatically) so I've stuck with it. Now I'm looking for something a bit more interesting I actually have to know - UEFI/MBR it is.You're welcome.
Installing Gentoo only took me four days. ;)Four days?! I did it in two on a 2ghz pentium 4 laptop with 512mb back in the day :p
My Arch install took about 1.6 years to 'complete' :))This, however, sounds like a different level of completeness - are you sure it's done?
Installing Gentoo only took me four days. ;)Four days?! I did it in two on a 2ghz pentium 4 laptop with 512mb back in the day :pMy Arch install took about 1.6 years to 'complete' :))This, however, sounds like a different level of completeness - are you sure it's done?
Yeah, the fact that Manjaro gets twice as many hits as Mint was very surprising to me.
Manjaro is #1 on DistroWatch for the last 12 months.
Not sure if there's a major difference, but the ease of installation/out of box feature set makes it perfect for someone who wants to use arch, but doesn't care too much about the 'little stuff'There is.
Yeah, the fact that Manjaro gets twice as many hits as Mint was very surprising to me.Manjaro is #1 on DistroWatch for the last 12 months.
I left Arch and went back to Debian some 3 years ago because I didn't have enough time in my day to keep up with it/fiddle with everything. I switched to Manjaro a few months back and (I think) I'm here to stay.
Not sure if there's a major difference, but the ease of installation/out of box feature set makes it perfect for someone who wants to use arch, but doesn't care too much about the 'little stuff'
I suppose I did the opposite. I used one Manjaro GUI tool to try to install the proprietary gpu rather than a few minutes on the arch wiki which caused me to fubar my graphics stack. So after eights months of Manjaro and installing arch in vms I finally made the switch to vanilla. Although, the Manjaro i3wm community edition and the Calamares installer are both pretty great.
As far as the differences between Manjaro vs. Arch: some package updates are tested a bit longer before release when compared to arch, and some are injected with Manjaro-ness (for better or worse). Completely different repos. So you might see less instances in which an application is borked due to dependency point releases. Or they might hold on to a package while they inject Manjaro-y css/xml/art assets/etc..
Anyway, I installed MX Linux and my battery life extended by 100%.
IBM just bought Red Hat (https://www.itnews.com.au/news/ibm-buys-red-hat-in-us34-billion-deal-514631).
Is anyone going to switch to, or from, Red Hat or a derivative because of this?
We use CentOS around here, which was absorbed into Red Hat a while ago. Unlikely that we'll change. I'm just hoping that IBM doesn't kill off CentOS to focus on Red Hat and cloud.
Now Gentoo has a systemd flavor if you insist.ewwwww
IBM just bought Red Hat (https://www.itnews.com.au/news/ibm-buys-red-hat-in-us34-billion-deal-514631).
Is anyone going to switch to, or from, Red Hat or a derivative because of this?
We use CentOS around here, which was absorbed into Red Hat a while ago. Unlikely that we'll change. I'm just hoping that IBM doesn't kill off CentOS to focus on Red Hat and cloud.
IBM just bought Red Hat (https://www.itnews.com.au/news/ibm-buys-red-hat-in-us34-billion-deal-514631).
Is anyone going to switch to, or from, Red Hat or a derivative because of this?
We use CentOS around here, which was absorbed into Red Hat a while ago. Unlikely that we'll change. I'm just hoping that IBM doesn't kill off CentOS to focus on Red Hat and cloud.
I think we'll largely be fine for a year or two before any major changes are made. After that, I'm banking SUSE starts developing an enterprise distro... no well and hell I'm relying on Ubuntu :puke:
IBM just bought Red Hat (https://www.itnews.com.au/news/ibm-buys-red-hat-in-us34-billion-deal-514631).
Is anyone going to switch to, or from, Red Hat or a derivative because of this?
We use CentOS around here, which was absorbed into Red Hat a while ago. Unlikely that we'll change. I'm just hoping that IBM doesn't kill off CentOS to focus on Red Hat and cloud.
I think we'll largely be fine for a year or two before any major changes are made. After that, I'm banking SUSE starts developing an enterprise distro... no well and hell I'm relying on Ubuntu :puke:
https://www.suse.com/products/desktop/ (https://www.suse.com/products/desktop/)
IBM just bought Red Hat (https://www.itnews.com.au/news/ibm-buys-red-hat-in-us34-billion-deal-514631).I’m hoping IBM wise up and leave Redhat alone, much like how every other successful acquisitions behave - eg Dell and VMware
Is anyone going to switch to, or from, Red Hat or a derivative because of this?
We use CentOS around here, which was absorbed into Red Hat a while ago. Unlikely that we'll change. I'm just hoping that IBM doesn't kill off CentOS to focus on Red Hat and cloud.
IBM just bought Red Hat (https://www.itnews.com.au/news/ibm-buys-red-hat-in-us34-billion-deal-514631).
Is anyone going to switch to, or from, Red Hat or a derivative because of this?
We use CentOS around here, which was absorbed into Red Hat a while ago. Unlikely that we'll change. I'm just hoping that IBM doesn't kill off CentOS to focus on Red Hat and cloud.
I think we'll largely be fine for a year or two before any major changes are made. After that, I'm banking SUSE starts developing an enterprise distro... no well and hell I'm relying on Ubuntu :puke:
https://www.suse.com/products/desktop/ (https://www.suse.com/products/desktop/)
Enterprise "Desktop"
I question whether there's any point to using FreeBSD. OpenBSD I have avoided due to lack of features and general oddness. But it's a pretty niche thing. Why couldn't I "just use Linux"? I dunno. FreeBSD has a certain charm. Debian is probably the most similar distro.
I question whether there's any point to using FreeBSD. OpenBSD I have avoided due to lack of features and general oddness. But it's a pretty niche thing. Why couldn't I "just use Linux"? I dunno. FreeBSD has a certain charm. Debian is probably the most similar distro.
Why couldn't I "just use Linux"?
Why couldn't I "just use Linux"?
Because Linux lacks the QA which all of the BSDs have. I replaced my FreeBSD server by a Solaris server though. Their politics (mirrored in the Code of Conduct) are not mine.
Over the years, I've used Puppy Linux (incredibly fast as it runs from RAM) but I found some of the newer releases to be fussy and unpolished. For the past couple of years, I've used Linux Lite 3.X (based on Ubuntu 16.04 LTS) on one of my other secondary boxes. It's a lightweight distro, very stable and fast. My main home computer is a little HP Pavilion Mini that ran OK with Windows 10, but one day, the wireless suddenly started giving me problems despite me changing to another wireless card. I tried reinstalling Win 10, had problems and got fed up. I installed Linux Lite 3.8 64-bit, which took < 10 minutes, and it's running unbelievably smoothly. I'm very happy with this distro. I may eventually upgrade to Lite 4.X soon.
Anyways, I'm pretty much 100% Linux at home with Linux Lite and a Chromebook obviously on Chrome OS. I still have some Puppy Linux distros with frugal installs to USB drives. I may try some of those again.
I can totally understand wanting to shift over to Linux Lite. Puppy GUI can be a bit polarizing.
I can totally understand wanting to shift over to Linux Lite. Puppy GUI can be a bit polarizing.
I thought one of the "advantages" of Linux is that you can have 83534796 desktops without changing the distribution?
Correct, there are literally 83534796 different window managers to choose from.As there should be.
I wish people would talk about Unix more.
I wish people would talk about Unix more.
Linux is not a variant of Unix.I would argue that Linux is more Unix than MacOS is.
I would argue that Linux is more Unix than MacOS is.
Sucks that OSX has support for OpenZFS yet Linux is some years behind before full support for OpenZFS becomes a thing (Antergos?). I'm close to halfway through FreeBSD Mastery: ZFS, and damn near sold that the future is literally OpenZFS.
I would argue that Linux is more Unix than MacOS is.
There's some pretty "legit" Unix pieces involved in Darwin though. A kernel largely developed at CMU, for Unix. Bunch of stuff lifted from FreeBSD, and then there's the NeXT OS which was it's own legit variant.Sucks that OSX has support for OpenZFS yet Linux is some years behind before full support for OpenZFS becomes a thing (Antergos?). I'm close to halfway through FreeBSD Mastery: ZFS, and damn near sold that the future is literally OpenZFS.
Maybe for mission-critical servers with terabytes upon terabytes of data. I plan to ditch my multi-mechanical drive ZFS for a single large SSD and just use UFS2. With backups of course. Although the check summing, and "scrubs" are cool. With 10G ethernet becoming more accessible, I might actually stand to benefit from an SSD on the network.
I guess I am the only one Devuan (Debian fork) user
I guess I am the only one Devuan (Debian fork) user here. Currently at 2.0
Switched over to Antergos with KDE the other day, been a while since I've been happy using something other than Cinnamon.
Cinnamon doesn't scale well on 1440p monitors (either too large or too small), and tends to dislike dual screens (needs work arounds). KDE is kind of a hassle to get setup but once done seems to be fine. It's certainly a bit heavier on boot times (3 more seconds OMG!), but offers a nice experience otherwise.
What problems were you having with Cinnamon and multiple monitors? I've been running 3x 1080p screens on Mint 18 with Cinnamon for the past couple years, and I've had next to no trouble in that time.There is a bug, confirmed by a few people now, that if you have two monitors and the primary is on the left, then the left screen will not always come on, regardless of video system you have. A work around is to manually start an instance of Nemo on Cinnamon startup which triggers the screen to come on, then you simply close the window manually. It's very specific to this layout apparently and seems the developers have largely ignored the issue as it's been around a while, probably because it's inconsistent and hard to catch. Doesn't happen on single or triple screens or if your primary screen is on the right. Also, Cinnamon, since it's not using Wayland (sp?), has limited scaling ability, so if you switch to a 1440p monitor (which I did recently), you end up with a choice or very small taskbars (around 30% smaller) or very large ones (about 70% larger), this has to do with xorg or GTK or something so it can't be fixed by Cinnamon itself.
There is a bug, confirmed by a few people now, that if you have two monitors and the primary is on the left, then the left screen will not always come on, regardless of video system you have. A work around is to manually start an instance of Nemo on Cinnamon startup which triggers the screen to come on, then you simply close the window manually. It's very specific to this layout apparently and seems the developers have largely ignored the issue as it's been around a while, probably because it's inconsistent and hard to catch. Doesn't happen on single or triple screens or if your primary screen is on the right. Also, Cinnamon, since it's not using Wayland (sp?), has limited scaling ability, so if you switch to a 1440p monitor (which I did recently), you end up with a choice or very small taskbars (around 30% smaller) or very large ones (about 70% larger), this has to do with xorg or GTK or something so it can't be fixed by Cinnamon itself.
These may seem minor, but but it can also be a bit buggy here and there at times, usually after a major Gnome 3 update gets pushed and they try to integrate it. Mostly though I just wanted to try something new, particularly Wayland based in hopes of fixing the scaling issue.
Ah, that sounds like a bit of a mess, glad I haven't run across that then. Interesting that it's only on that particular layout though, I wonder what would cause that.Probably just a bad default config, I may even have an idea on how to fix it, but I only found a potential fix while tweaking KDE so I haven't had a chance to test it.
Thinking about testing the *BSDs next.How are they for every day desktop use?
what is 'yum disc'?
Thinking about testing the *BSDs next.How are they for every day desktop use?
OpenBSD has good WiFi support - if you have ethernet during the first installation so you can run fw-update.
Alright thank you.what is 'yum disc'?
Yum disc is doggo slang for pizza.Thinking about testing the *BSDs next.How are they for every day desktop use?
Depends on which one you want to start with. TrueOS is suppose to be an install it and forget it experience, though I've only installed FreeBSD and OpenBSD. For hands dirty types the ports collection and FreeBSD is pretty great. I've even had success with esoteric packages like bspwm and polybar. OpenBSD is damn near an install it and forget it experience sans wifi. I had about as much luck with wifi on OpenBSD as I did with wifi on HaikuOS (zero--I'd imagine thinkpads would be ideal). However, if your every day desktop includes gaming... well, I've read and heard through podcats that console emulation and DOSBox are a thing on FreeBSD. Steam and PlayOnBSD (or Wine) are not exactly 1:1 with the Linux variants.
Alright thank you.what is 'yum disc'?
Yum disc is doggo slang for pizza.Thinking about testing the *BSDs next.How are they for every day desktop use?
Depends on which one you want to start with. TrueOS is suppose to be an install it and forget it experience, though I've only installed FreeBSD and OpenBSD. For hands dirty types the ports collection and FreeBSD is pretty great. I've even had success with esoteric packages like bspwm and polybar. OpenBSD is damn near an install it and forget it experience sans wifi. I had about as much luck with wifi on OpenBSD as I did with wifi on HaikuOS (zero--I'd imagine thinkpads would be ideal). However, if your every day desktop includes gaming... well, I've read and heard through podcats that console emulation and DOSBox are a thing on FreeBSD. Steam and PlayOnBSD (or Wine) are not exactly 1:1 with the Linux variants.
It wouldn't include gaming, I have windows for that. It would be as a second boot option on the windows pc when I am not gaming.
Thanks again. I'll definitely look into it.Alright thank you.what is 'yum disc'?
Yum disc is doggo slang for pizza.Thinking about testing the *BSDs next.How are they for every day desktop use?
Depends on which one you want to start with. TrueOS is suppose to be an install it and forget it experience, though I've only installed FreeBSD and OpenBSD. For hands dirty types the ports collection and FreeBSD is pretty great. I've even had success with esoteric packages like bspwm and polybar. OpenBSD is damn near an install it and forget it experience sans wifi. I had about as much luck with wifi on OpenBSD as I did with wifi on HaikuOS (zero--I'd imagine thinkpads would be ideal). However, if your every day desktop includes gaming... well, I've read and heard through podcats that console emulation and DOSBox are a thing on FreeBSD. Steam and PlayOnBSD (or Wine) are not exactly 1:1 with the Linux variants.
It wouldn't include gaming, I have windows for that. It would be as a second boot option on the windows pc when I am not gaming.
Yep. I should probably add that although the FreeBSD Handbook is a fantastic reference, it may not include things like how to enable utf-8 support. b1c1l1 - Using UTF-8 (Unicode) on FreeBSD (https://www.b1c1l1.com/blog/2011/05/09/using-utf-8-unicode-on-freebsd/)
In my programming class, i remembered we used an old version of Red Hat to emulate CentOS. Problem was, it was a terminal.
I understand those words you wrote.. but I don't understand what those words mean when used in that configuration.
How can one even console in Windows? I know one can't drop to a DOS prompt (in Redstone anyway), those days are gone. Is there another way?
What's so wrong with it? JWM has typical look and feel. A-la Windows XP. Or a dozen other WM's on Linux. And it's not that I really need to manage windows on a 10.1" laptop.
Almost entirely Debian/Ubuntu across 15~ machines. I tried to get into CentOS, I really did, but everything is *so* old. There are features I want that don't exist in kernel 3.14, thanks.You're fancy if you got 3.14 in CentOS. Most of our production machines at work still run CentOS 6 and Kernel 2.6.x
For those unaware Antergos has been discontinued.Well ****.
I'm experimenting with Chakra, Manjaro and Arco as a replacement, so far Chakra is leading.
What I didn't like about Manjaro was Arch Wiki compatibility issues.What kinds of wiki compatibility issues?
Maybe some kind soul will fork the Antergos project.
What I didn't like about Manjaro was Arch Wiki compatibility issues.What kinds of wiki compatibility issues?
Maybe some kind soul will fork the Antergos project.
I stopped using Manjaro after it borked itself after en update for like the umpteenth time, but I'll give it another go.
Pretty dependant on aur.
Yeah I don't like updating via GUI either, but I can live with it.What I didn't like about Manjaro was Arch Wiki compatibility issues.What kinds of wiki compatibility issues?
Maybe some kind soul will fork the Antergos project.
I stopped using Manjaro after it borked itself after en update for like the umpteenth time, but I'll give it another go.
Pretty dependant on aur.
Pamac to auto update all the things? Updating packages and repos with a GUI is not for me (great notifier tho).
As for wiki compatibilty, there were often mismatches in file names, directories, design choices, etc. Like reading Debian Wiki articles for Ubuntu problems (though ubuntu wiki is dense compared to manjaro wiki). Sometimes Archisms translated to Manjaroisms, sometimes not. Which was frustrating. Even more so for a first time user of i3wm.. After 9 months I gave up and installed Arch. That seemed like a good idea at the time.
Lots of Arco Linux in the ole r/unixporn as of late, must be something to it if those crazy penguins like it.
Back in the 90’s and early aughts, I used Slackware. Took a hiatus until 2012 where I went Ubuntu, then to Debian and as of last year settled on Manjaro
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Lots of Arco Linux in the ole r/unixporn as of late, must be something to it if those crazy penguins like it.Currently using ArcoB-Awesome.
I had, at the time, a relatively new video card that just came out to market. I tried Debian/Ubuntu but was having trouble with getting the video card recognized. Then I heard about Manjaro having access to cutting edge drivers so tried that. It worked without a hitch. All I had to learn was instead of `apt install` it was `yay -Syu` followed by package name to update AND install. Much more convenient. Plus can open up access to the AUR. So haven’t really looked back to the other distributions.Back in the 90’s and early aughts, I used Slackware. Took a hiatus until 2012 where I went Ubuntu, then to Debian and as of last year settled on Manjaro
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Why Manjaro?
I had, at the time, a relatively new video card that just came out to market. I tried Debian/Ubuntu but was having trouble with getting the video card recognized. Then I heard about Manjaro having access to cutting edge drivers so tried that. It worked without a hitch. All I had to learn was instead of `apt install` it was `yay -Syu` followed by package name to update AND install. Much more convenient. Plus can open up access to the AUR. So haven’t really looked back to the other distributions.Back in the 90’s and early aughts, I used Slackware. Took a hiatus until 2012 where I went Ubuntu, then to Debian and as of last year settled on Manjaro
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Why Manjaro?
Oh and another benefit: it makes the inimitable Arch wiki more relevant as Manjaro is Arch based.
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Lots of Arco Linux in the ole r/unixporn as of late, must be something to it if those crazy penguins like it.Currently using ArcoB-Awesome.
Took some getting used to but I really like it now that I've got it all set up. Thanks for the tip!
I've had no problems using yay to install a few programs I really enjoy. :DLots of Arco Linux in the ole r/unixporn as of late, must be something to it if those crazy penguins like it.Currently using ArcoB-Awesome.
Took some getting used to but I really like it now that I've got it all set up. Thanks for the tip!
Awesome, and apparently the project uses Arch repos so AUR and Arch Wikk should be nearly 100% compatible.
I wasn't aware of this until recently; from what I've heard the Antergos team (https://antergos.com/blog/antergos-linux-project-ends/) will push a final update that converts an Antergos installation into a full vanilla Arch Linux installation.I think that was mentioned above, maybe not.
So according to plan, anyone running Antergos will end up with a true vanilla Arch Linux installation if you accept the final Antergos update.
I wasn't aware of this until recently; from what I've heard the Antergos team (https://antergos.com/blog/antergos-linux-project-ends/) will push a final update that converts an Antergos installation into a full vanilla Arch Linux installation.I think that was mentioned above, maybe not.
So according to plan, anyone running Antergos will end up with a true vanilla Arch Linux installation if you accept the final Antergos update.
The only problem is while this works for current installs, at some point the installer could become outdated or break.
IIRC, stripping out the Antergos bits is a pita; lots of outdated guides on the subject. Might as well install good ole Arch if that's the end goal anyway.
My older Ubuntu MATE VM is becoming a bit slow, so I'm investigating alternatives.These are very fast/bare installs.
Not that I'd trust anything said on a KB forum with a $20k+ 44u rack decision.
Not that I'd trust anything said on a KB forum with a $20k+ 44u rack decision.
Just to be clear: I never implied Debian Buster was ready to be deployed on production servers at the moment ; )
Tried Devuan for fun (basically Debian but without systemd) but... Trial ran short when I tried to install Docker CE and ran into issues. I'm a big Docker user (my workstation runs ****load of Docker containers)...
I primarily stick with Mint, but I've used Ubuntu, Qubes, Whonix, and from time-to-time will use Kali.Most of which are Debian-based!
Currently enjoying Arch with fresh Gnome 3.XX.X. Arch on main since 2018-01-25, and Gnome since 2019-03-26 (i3-gaps/bspwm before that). Still running nightly snapshots with borgbackup.Currently messing around with i3wm myself, boy do I love it.
Moved all gaming to Ubuntu 19.04 partition (steam/proton/deb compatibility). Older laptop is running Debian Testing (bullseye) with custom compiled i3-gaps and i3blocks.
Currently enjoying Arch with fresh Gnome 3.XX.X. Arch on main since 2018-01-25, and Gnome since 2019-03-26 (i3-gaps/bspwm before that). Still running nightly snapshots with borgbackup.Currently messing around with i3wm myself, boy do I love it.
Moved all gaming to Ubuntu 19.04 partition (steam/proton/deb compatibility). Older laptop is running Debian Testing (bullseye) with custom compiled i3-gaps and i3blocks.
I tried the new Debian in a VM, didn't quite work out as I hoped.
The start menu (for want of a better name) highlights each entry as the mouse moves over it, but making the menu entry slightly lighter. Trouble is, it doesn't unhighlight it when the mouse moves on. So after a few seconds of moving the mouse up and down on the menu the whole thing gradually turns bright white.
This could be a VirtualBox problem, or a Debian problem. Probably the former.
I tried the new Debian in a VM, didn't quite work out as I hoped.
The start menu (for want of a better name) highlights each entry as the mouse moves over it, but making the menu entry slightly lighter. Trouble is, it doesn't unhighlight it when the mouse moves on. So after a few seconds of moving the mouse up and down on the menu the whole thing gradually turns bright white.
This could be a VirtualBox problem, or a Debian problem. Probably the former.
Debian Testing XFCE, i3wm, and Virtual Box paired with KVM hypervisor works for me. With both built in kernels and custom latest stable kernels (plus arandr). Adapta-Nokta GTK theme and Papirus Icon theme *whistles*
I tried the new Debian in a VM, didn't quite work out as I hoped.
The start menu (for want of a better name) highlights each entry as the mouse moves over it, but making the menu entry slightly lighter. Trouble is, it doesn't unhighlight it when the mouse moves on. So after a few seconds of moving the mouse up and down on the menu the whole thing gradually turns bright white.
This could be a VirtualBox problem, or a Debian problem. Probably the former.
Debian Testing XFCE, i3wm, and Virtual Box paired with KVM hypervisor works for me. With both built in kernels and custom latest stable kernels (plus arandr). Adapta-Nokta GTK theme and Papirus Icon theme *whistles*
Cinnamon.
Probably should have said.
There's a VirtualBox update out too ...
see attached...
details about my setup can be found here:
https://git.io/nord-scrot
Anyone know a good way to keep up with security updates in LFS? I know many uses Slackware changelog
Arch/Plasma fits me like an old pair of jeans.Agreed.
I use kde neon sometimes but fl studio not working well on wine has discouraged me from using Linux currently. Kde neon is my favorite out of other distro I’ve tried but I’m not sure how unpopular of an opinion that is
Arch/Plasma fits me like an old pair of jeans.Agreed.
There is a lot of hate for it but I think it's people who remember old KDE/Plasma, which was heavier and buggy.
2007? Single Core?
Look around for anything ddr3/ssd or better (2nd gen Intel, AMD am3), you can buy that stuff dirt cheap now, if not free and it runs Linux great. Ask around, check Ebay, Craigslist, thrift shops, yard sales, recyclers, Goodwill...
I installed Plasma and it looked a bit sheet
Sheet metal? Sheetrock? I use: default light breeze qt theme, papirus-light icons, breezemite light window decorations, and default breeze light for gtk decorations. So basically sheetrock with Event Calendar.Nice wallpaper. Mine looked like yours OOTB, but with worse fonts.
I'd agree with anyone that says that the Kool cigarettes naming scheme is a bit tired and dated at this point.
When I learned that KDE/Plasma is used at CERN is kinda when I tried it out. Not sure how Arch/Plasma is in a VM--I installed it direct to SSD.
Here be sheetrock themed dragons. I like it.MoreShow Image(https://i.imgur.com/C7J289k.png)Show Image(https://i.imgur.com/s3HV25S.png)Show Image(https://i.imgur.com/myrdMty.png)
lol ChromiumSheet metal? Sheetrock? I use: default light breeze qt theme, papirus-light icons, breezemite light window decorations, and default breeze light for gtk decorations. So basically sheetrock with Event Calendar.Nice wallpaper. Mine looked like yours OOTB, but with worse fonts.
I'd agree with anyone that says that the Kool cigarettes naming scheme is a bit tired and dated at this point.
When I learned that KDE/Plasma is used at CERN is kinda when I tried it out. Not sure how Arch/Plasma is in a VM--I installed it direct to SSD.
Here be sheetrock themed dragons. I like it.MoreShow Image(https://i.imgur.com/C7J289k.png)Show Image(https://i.imgur.com/s3HV25S.png)Show Image(https://i.imgur.com/myrdMty.png)
Ah, so now I know why it looks familiar. I've seen it outside!
Anyone know a good way to keep up with security updates in LFS? I know many uses Slackware changelog
Wow, you're one of those still doing this...?
I think this is perhaps your answer: https://serverfault.com/a/2098 (https://serverfault.com/a/2098)
I did something from source for the kernel and modules and some parts of the system in 1996-98 on my Laptop with a Pentium II processor.
I want an easier life, right now using [Debian - Systemd = Devuan 2.0 ASCII] and I am glad there are more and more options without Systemd out there.
Wanted to try ArchLinux and some of those cool Tiling WM, but keep getting back to my Emacs and its packages.
I recently got a co-worker who exclusively uses pop and he speaks very very well of it. I've poked at it and it looked just like a superfriendly Ubuntu.
I can't hate that hardware is getting easier to setup. I remember that my first Linux machines were repeatedly borked by me attempting to install graphics drivers, and not having any idea how to do that properly, and there not being the most documentation on that.
We live in much nicer times for getting graphics drivers working.
it's definitely not 'cool' by masochistic standards but tbh, it takes very little time to install and tweak to my liking and does everything I need it to with minimal fuss, once you get used to GNOME.
there is no major upgrades, it just smoothly moves forward.This is why Linux is still not gaining any traction on the desktop. No stable platform and version to build on, from a software editor point of view is a no-go. Ubuntu with their LTS system had the right idea actually.
there is no major upgrades, it just smoothly moves forward.This is why Linux is still not gaining any traction on the desktop. No stable platform and version to build on, from a software editor point of view is a no-go. Ubuntu with their LTS system had the right idea actually.
This is also why servers are all using older RHEL / Ubuntu LTS distros...
All other points are irrelevant, it's all about marketing and knowledge, just look at Android and ChromeOs for examples of this working.
I remember a brief period (about 10-15 years ago?) when a modest but sizable portion of entry-level desktops and laptops were being sold by 2nd-tier economy manufacturers with Ubuntu pre-installed as the OS to save the $100 (which would have been a major chunk of the final price) that Windows cost.
My recollection is that it was slowly gaining a bit of momentum until Android came along, and then it just withered away.
Linux on desktop has nothing to do with stability or even software development and it has everything to do with marketing and availability.It has a lot to do with platform stability, from a software editor point of view. You actually further my point in your post by mentioning support, which is paramount when trying to sell to enterprise. Stable distros are the only way to be able to train support teams and provide proper service to companies.
I remember a brief period (about 10-15 years ago?) when a modest but sizable portion of entry-level desktops and laptops were being sold by 2nd-tier economy manufacturers with Ubuntu pre-installed as the OS to save the $100 (which would have been a major chunk of the final price) that Windows cost.Netbooks, loved the form factor, hated the speed.
My recollection is that it was slowly gaining a bit of momentum until Android came along, and then it just withered away.
It has a lot to do with platform stability, from a software editor point of view. You actually further my point in your post by mentioning support, which is paramount when trying to sell to enterprise.No one, from end users to the corporate C.E.O. care about the issues on your end when it comes to choosing an OS. That's a you problem, not theirs. If you say you support then as far as they're concerned that's the end of it on their end.
No one, from end users to the corporate C.E.O. care about the issues on your end when it comes to choosing an OS. That's a you problem, not theirs. If you say you support then as far as they're concerned that's the end of it on their end.Not only you totally misunderstood what i've written, or didnt read it at all.. but you are mentioning the opposite of what i said. I am talking about the point of view of a software editor or publisher that would consider Linux as a platform for distributing their product. The reason why it's still left alone (despite considerable market penetration in some specific sectors) is no support, and fragmentation.
I stand by what I said.No one, from end users to the corporate C.E.O. care about the issues on your end when it comes to choosing an OS. That's a you problem, not theirs. If you say you support then as far as they're concerned that's the end of it on their end.Not only you totally misunderstood what i've written, or didnt read it at all.. but you are mentioning the opposite of what i said. I am talking about the point of view of a software editor or publisher that would consider Linux as a platform for distributing their product. The reason why it's still left alone (despite considerable market penetration in some specific sectors) is no support, and fragmentation.
Also when addressing the community, they tend to have answers similar to yours, which prompts an immediate big "NOPE" from any sound business.
I first installed Linux in 1994. It was an early version of Slackware...on, what seemed to be, a million floppy disks (for the installation). I dual-booted slackware and Windows 3.1 on an 84MB hard drive. LOL
I first installed Linux in 1994. It was an early version of Slackware...on, what seemed to be, a million floppy disks (for the installation). I dual-booted slackware and Windows 3.1 on an 84MB hard drive. LOL
I got serious with Linux on the desktop when Redhat 3.0.3 was released.
These days, I run Manjaro with cinnamon.
Don't confuse Linux penetration on servers for penetration on desktop.I do not. Please quote where i made any confusion here.
Completely different market, completely different needs.Wrong. Platform fragmentation and lack of support = no market. I simplify a lot here but obviously you didnt read longer posts..
If it translated easily, Microsoft would own the tablet and phone sector and we all know how that turned out.That turn out catastrophically because MS went in very late to a saturated market, with a non-competitive product, and mosty importantly, poor software support (undocumented APIs, terrible OS choices) and no support from software editors ! Back to square one, see above.
I was thinking of running Manjaro with Xfce. I'm so sick of fixing Arch every update because something breaks, but I like Arch's KISS ideology; Manjaro seems like a good bridge.
Back to square oneI've read everything you wrote, 5 times now... So yeah, I read it.
You are right developers may stay away because fragmentation (false)Here we disagree strongly. I am a software dev. I did talk to quite a few software publishers. I stand by my point of view and the answers i've been given by those publishers.
Linux users are known to shun paying for software.Wrong, it's a common misconception. So yeah the handful of neckbeards that inhabit the forums will cry outrage but the vast majority of people who i have talked to actually, do not care at all (to be polite) about the OS, i'll further it, they have NO IDEA of what OS they are running and they do NOT want to care or know about it. Can they buy Photoshop and run it ? Yes or no, there you go, their choice is made. If they can run the available software (like Chrome, Thunderbird, etc.) then they'll be fine and actually do not even notice they switched away from Windows.
It's the complete opposite of MacOs where users will actually tell you it's better to not only pay for software but beneficial to pay more than you would for Windows programs*.Again, generalizations lead nowhere, also it's a quite obvious tangent. We are talking Linux on the desktop...
As annoying as it is, marketing almost always wins.And look, Ubuntu do have a lot of marketing...
Android came from behind due to better promotion and lower cost.Definitely not promotion, actually most people have no idea they are running android. What made the platform so ubiquitous was its relatively lax distribution model that allowed armies of chinese clones to flood the market.
bah... mah old laptop won't install linux in uefiSecure boot?
Ah okay.
Yeah, some early EFI has all sorts of quirks, had all sorts of weird hardware problems with it. Seen problems with Windows with it but never Linux.
Ah okay.
Yeah, some early EFI has all sorts of quirks, had all sorts of weird hardware problems with it. Seen problems with Windows with it but never Linux.
Linux can work with it, if you're one of those super genius hax0r guyzus. But when they build the auto installers, over time, general compatibility inevitably drifts away from older hardware.
Linux can work with it, if you're one of those super genius hax0r guyzus. But when they build the auto installers, over time, general compatibility inevitably drifts away from older hardware.Someone probably makes a distro specifically to work with it, they have distros for Chromebooks, Baytrail, Pis, and more. No need to hack anything.
sabayon
arch btw
Slightly off-topic but tangential:
The fingerprint reader on my Thinkpad T440P works great under Windows 10 but is pretty much useless in Mint 19/Cinnamon. Sometimes it will finally register after swiping the finger a dozen times, but usually not at all.
Is there some software fix for this problem?
PS - I am an old man with dry skin and my fingerprints are probably "weak"
Thanks!
Seeing this thread in Spy reminded me that I've not messed with my OS in a long time and on checking it's been nearly two years since I installed Arch, most of that running XFCE. That has to be some kind of record and I've not had any problems so it will be extended.
Seeing this thread in Spy reminded me that I've not messed with my OS in a long time and on checking it's been nearly two years since I installed Arch, most of that running XFCE. That has to be some kind of record and I've not had any problems so it will be extended.
This is why I call Linux boring.
Within 6-12 months my Windows installs were always trashed.
Oh, it can break, I've done it many times but it's not the same as Windows where there's a registry that just gets more and more bloated with garbage.Seeing this thread in Spy reminded me that I've not messed with my OS in a long time and on checking it's been nearly two years since I installed Arch, most of that running XFCE. That has to be some kind of record and I've not had any problems so it will be extended.
This is why I call Linux boring.
Within 6-12 months my Windows installs were always trashed.
I've ran Linux as my primary OS for about 16 years, trashed many installs going too bleeding edge like running CVS XF86 (I think that's what Xorg was called back then?) so the graphics in my laptop worked and similar when transparency was nearly available. Or there was a new desktop environment to check out and I didn't want the mess of updating multiple or the allure of Gentoo's complete optimisation bit me so that meant a new install on a second partition sharing /home... New job means less time at home so I'm now just a user rather than a tweaker. Maybe there is nothing to play with and it's got boring but I'm sure I could find something to break if I looked :thumb:
Started off on Redhat many moons ago (possibly Fedora 6), eventually switched my laptop and desktops to Kubuntu. I also run straight up debian on my Rpi's and a couple of other servers.i am the only one being completely inept at installing and using ubuntu? don't get me wrong i have plenty of debian and opensuse machines but when i want to give a pc to someone i'd rather it run ubuntu because most of any help online is for ubuntu or ubuntu based distro, but i always end up with a stuck boot screen or kernel panic every time i try to install it... and when i am on an ubuntu machine i can't make heads or tails of the interface...
i am the only one being completely inept at installing and using ubuntu? don't get me wrong i have plenty of debian and opensuse machines but when i want to give a pc to someone i'd rather it run ubuntu because most of any help online is for ubuntu or ubuntu based distro, but i always end up with a stuck boot screen or kernel panic every time i try to install it... and when i am on an ubuntu machine i can't make heads or tails of the interface...You have to shut down half your brain, then it will make sense, I have to do the same with HP printer and scanning software.
If that doesn't work for you, then why do you keep doing this?Started off on Redhat many moons ago (possibly Fedora 6), eventually switched my laptop and desktops to Kubuntu. I also run straight up debian on my Rpi's and a couple of other servers.i am the only one being completely inept at installing and using ubuntu? don't get me wrong i have plenty of debian and opensuse machines but when i want to give a pc to someone i'd rather it run ubuntu because most of any help online is for ubuntu or ubuntu based distro, but i always end up with a stuck boot screen or kernel panic every time i try to install it... and when i am on an ubuntu machine i can't make heads or tails of the interface...
If that doesn't work for you, then why do you keep doing this?well it is not for me, my favorite are OpenSuse for virtualization and development and Debian for when i do want to deal with instabilities. being able to install Ubuntu would be nice for others, as when you are new to it having forums online with solutions that you do not need to translate to zypper or/and add repos would be nice, although i had put OpenSuse on my mother's computer and the only problems she had with it were printers, I guess that Ubuntu is nice for newbie power-users, kinda like myself
i am the only one being completely inept at installing and using ubuntu? don't get me wrong i have plenty of debian and opensuse machines but when i want to give a pc to someone i'd rather it run ubuntu because most of any help online is for ubuntu or ubuntu based distro, but i always end up with a stuck boot screen or kernel panic every time i try to install it... and when i am on an ubuntu machine i can't make heads or tails of the interface...You have to shut down half your brain, then it will make sense, I have to do the same with HP printer and scanning software.
Oh a linux thread, glad to see more keyboard enthusiasts using linux!
I am currently using Gentoo since half year or so, having a blast. Portage gives every customization possible, USE flags are here to stay, every package I want is there or in layers, fast as crazy and no systemd among other advantages ^-^
I love using my keyoboard with a tiling wm like bspwm and gives me a lot of productivity.
I'm running Arch on a laptop at home, but have though of switching to Arch on my work desktop as well,Moving away from Debian because of compiling from source and bloat? :confused:
because I'm getting tired of installing from source (plus bloat).
The only reason why I'm hesitating is that I need stuff to work nearly 100% of the time for efficiency. How
is the probability of messing up dependencies etc on Arch if you use it as a main system? Any thoughts?
I'm running Arch on a laptop at home, but have though of switching to Arch on my work desktop as well,Arch makes it easy to install TONS of things, much more than Debian, and dependencies are much less of an issue, I hated that on Mint. On occasion the AUR will bork an install because of a dependency or soemone forgetting to flag something in the kernel but once installed it's usually fine from then on, it's that first install that's kind of iffy once in a while. Still less hassle than dealing with Debian and Ubuntu repos and such, I don't miss that at all. I probably run into this more than most as I experiment a lot.
because I'm getting tired of installing from source (plus bloat).
The only reason why I'm hesitating is that I need stuff to work nearly 100% of the time for efficiency. How
is the probability of messing up dependencies etc on Arch if you use it as a main system? Any thoughts?
I'm running Arch on a laptop at home, but have though of switching to Arch on my work desktop as well,Arch makes it easy to install TONS of things, much more than Debian, and dependencies are much less of an issue, I hated that on Mint. On occasion the AUR will bork an install because of a dependency or soemone forgetting to flag something in the kernel but once installed it's usually fine from then on, it's that first install that's kind of iffy once in a while. Still less hassle than dealing with Debian and Ubuntu repos and such, I don't miss that at all. I probably run into this more than most as I experiment a lot.
because I'm getting tired of installing from source (plus bloat).
The only reason why I'm hesitating is that I need stuff to work nearly 100% of the time for efficiency. How
is the probability of messing up dependencies etc on Arch if you use it as a main system? Any thoughts?
That said Debian is way more reliable.
Don't get me wrong, Arch is at least as stable as Windows 7 or 10 and is easier and faster to fix (downgrade and timeshift are lifesavers), I'm usually back up in a minute or two and happens about once a year but that's still not as good Debian, but I mean, how good is good enough?
I'm with S.O. though, what bloat? Debian should be lean and mean.
If it's mission critical, stick to Debian or switch to RHEL or RHEL derivative. If you's your personal desktop go with Arch/Arco/Manjaro/Endeavour.
I'm running Arch on a laptop at home, but have though of switching to Arch on my work desktop as well,Moving away from Debian because of compiling from source and bloat? :confused:
because I'm getting tired of installing from source (plus bloat).
The only reason why I'm hesitating is that I need stuff to work nearly 100% of the time for efficiency. How
is the probability of messing up dependencies etc on Arch if you use it as a main system? Any thoughts?
My Arch has been running for 2.5 boring years of near daily use and I've not had a single problem, its the equivalent of windows + office + a couple of mature audio related programs + 1 game (which should be run in Windows) so you wouud hope it would work.
Have you had problems on the laptop? What is work?
What would you say are the main reasons for people switch to Arch, from, e.g., Debian?I started with Slackware, then used Gentoo for years while at uni before losing my love of computers having failed to get a job in the field, then I was forced to get a new motherboard with UEFI bios and couldn't be bothered to learn how to make it boot. That forced me to try various flavours of Mint and OpenSuse but coming from command line updating the 'helpful' GUIs irritated me and whenever I had a problem it was back to the command line to find that (after re-learning the commands) there were more updates available without updating the repositories which annoyed me further. Arch kept being mentioned in this thread so thought I'd give it a go.
Work is some software development and academic stuff (grad student).
What would you say are the main reasons for people switch to Arch, from, e.g., Debian?I started with Slackware, then used Gentoo for years while at uni before losing my love of computers having failed to get a job in the field, then I was forced to get a new motherboard with UEFI bios and couldn't be bothered to learn how to make it boot. That forced me to try various flavours of Mint and OpenSuse but coming from command line updating the 'helpful' GUIs irritated me and whenever I had a problem it was back to the command line to find that (after re-learning the commands) there were more updates available without updating the repositories which annoyed me further. Arch kept being mentioned in this thread so thought I'd give it a go.
Work is some software development and academic stuff (grad student).
I guess most people would go from Windows to a friendly GUI distro, what their thinking process might be for going further so anything pre-packaged isn't available I have no idea - when put like that it sounds stupid. If you want really lean Gentoo's use flags are (were? As above I'm out of touch...) the best way of only having exactly what you need.
Software devel means a text editor and compiler? You're unlikely to break that and if you do it can be done on a live CD/USB. Or put /home on a separate partition and most of your program config will stick across multiple distros anyway so if you have a bit of space dual booting Debian/Arch while testing is a perfectly viable option, and you can chroot in from Debian to run updates while being productive in another window.
Do you continuously back up your computer then, so you always can roll back if you mess something up?I use Timeshift but also add script called timeshift-autosnap (https://aur.archlinux.org/packages/timeshift-autosnap/) which automatically triggers a timeshift backup every time I run an update or install something, it may also run on uninstall (I forget). When used to restore (rollback) it sometimes takes an extra reboot and it seems like it has a permissions glitch for a day afterwards but it clears up on it's own you just can't really update for a few hours.
Do you continuously back up your computer then, so you always can roll back if you mess something up?I use Timeshift but also add script called timeshift-autosnap (https://aur.archlinux.org/packages/timeshift-autosnap/) which automatically triggers a timeshift backup every time I run an update or install something, it may also run on uninstall (I forget). When used to restore (rollback) it sometimes takes an extra reboot and it seems like it has a permissions glitch for a day afterwards but it clears up on it's own you just can't really update for a few hours.
That only works for the OS though and does nothing for my personal data. I keep most of my stuff on my file server and I use Kbackup to backup my home folder to the file server. I use it manually because it can eat up a LOT of space with backups but it too can be completely automated.
I see, thank you! I'll look into Timeshift seems like that is what I'd want if I were to switch to Arch!You're welcome.
Yeah that's nice, I have a script using rsync for backup of /home on a couple of raided disks which works quite nicely, having it running as a cron job.
Is your file server local?
I see, thank you! I'll look into Timeshift seems like that is what I'd want if I were to switch to Arch!You're welcome.
Yeah that's nice, I have a script using rsync for backup of /home on a couple of raided disks which works quite nicely, having it running as a cron job.
Is your file server local?
Yes, it's local, it's just an old desktop with a laptop drive for the OS and a large drive for storage.
Mine uses a 2nd gen I5 with a power brick and dc-dc power supply, total power from the wall rarely breaks 20 watts but only because I never spin down the drives.
just installed OpenSuse on my new gaming PC, if you plan on using discord, forget it, it just fails to open, and if you plan on using steam in small picture mode, same, your game library will not display (works perfectly fine in big picture mode though), but otherwise i have not found a game that would not work yet so rather happy so far :)
(for context my previous PC was Debian 10.7, both steam and discord works flawlessly on it)
can vouch for discord being crap on linux - in my experience it has managed to open but it has crashed incredibly frequently (to the point where it was unusable). hopefully they can sort this at some point, however small the linux userbase may be.apart from the updates not going through the package manager i had no problem with it on Debian, although i ended up making a small script that grabs latest canary version and it never crashes, sometimes steam does when i run low on ram but never Discord
can vouch for discord being crap on linux - in my experience it has managed to open but it has crashed incredibly frequently (to the point where it was unusable). hopefully they can sort this at some point, however small the linux userbase may be.apart from the updates not going through the package manager i had no problem with it on Debian, although i ended up making a small script that grabs latest canary version and it never crashes, sometimes steam does when i run low on ram but never Discord
i use KDE on all PC capable of running it (more than 2GB of ram and at maximum a 15 years old dual core, anything older will struggle and so goes to IceWM) and yeah Debian let you choose between Gnome, XFCE, LXDE, LXQT and KDE if i remember right from the installs i see it is more common to use gnome or xfce. pretty much all major distros will give you the choice either at install (Debian, Suse) or before (Ubuntu)apart from the updates not going through the package manager i had no problem with it on Debian, although i ended up making a small script that grabs latest canary version and it never crashes, sometimes steam does when i run low on ram but never Discord
what desktop environment were you using - i think i remember debian having multiple choices during installation. maybe that has something to do with the crashing?
i use KDE on all PC capable of running it (more than 2GB of ram and at maximum a 15 years old dual core, anything older will struggle and so goes to IceWM) and yeah Debian let you choose between Gnome, XFCE, LXDE, LXQT and KDE if i remember right from the installs i see it is more common to use gnome or xfce. pretty much all major distros will give you the choice either at install (Debian, Suse) or before (Ubuntu)apart from the updates not going through the package manager i had no problem with it on Debian, although i ended up making a small script that grabs latest canary version and it never crashes, sometimes steam does when i run low on ram but never Discord
what desktop environment were you using - i think i remember debian having multiple choices during installation. maybe that has something to do with the crashing?
huh. when i tried running discord on my kubuntu machine (ubuntu but with KDE) it would continuously crash. maybe i'll try again. did you say you were using canary?yeah when i made the script i did not really pay close attention to what .deb i was getting and so got the "wrong" one in my copy paste, but then it may be part of the reason, or that Ubuntu is a bit more like OpenSuse and that chromium based apps tend to crash on it? (steam and discord both are chromium based, and both get the same series of crash when i start them on OpenSuse, steam deals with them better, and actually start, discord just completely fails)
yeah when i made the script i did not really pay close attention to what .deb i was getting and so got the "wrong" one in my copy paste, but then it may be part of the reason, or that Ubuntu is a bit more like OpenSuse and that chromium based apps tend to crash on it? (steam and discord both are chromium based, and both get the same series of crash when i start them on OpenSuse, steam deals with them better, and actually start, discord just completely fails)
huh. when i tried running discord on my kubuntu machine (ubuntu but with KDE) it would continuously crash. maybe i'll try again. did you say you were using canary?Discord is a horrible metric to judge, it's known to be terribly problematic.
what we are trying to achieve is to try to understand what make it work on some distros and not others, it never was advertised as working on debian but seems to work better there than on ubuntu. i think we both know that the main problem is that discord is calling something wrong or something, but what is the interesting part.huh. when i tried running discord on my kubuntu machine (ubuntu but with KDE) it would continuously crash. maybe i'll try again. did you say you were using canary?Discord is a horrible metric to judge, it's known to be terribly problematic.
Your problem there is with Discord, not Linux or Ubuntu.
huh. when i tried running discord on my kubuntu machine (ubuntu but with KDE) it would continuously crash. maybe i'll try again. did you say you were using canary?Discord is a horrible metric to judge, it's known to be terribly problematic.
Your problem there is with Discord, not Linux or Ubuntu.
Mint 18 - VLC 2.2.2
Mint 20 - VLC 3.0.12
Not every distro follows the exact same naming scheme and tree, it's gotten better, but there are still some differences. Another issue could be in the repositories, some are further behind than others.
Mint 18 - VLC 2.2.2 - Firefox 88.0
Mint 20 - VLC 3.0.12 - Firefox 88.0
Kubuntu - VLC 3.0.12 - Friefox 88.0+build2
Arch - VLC 3.0.12-5 - Firefox 88.0-1
And it only gets worse when you look at dependencies, naming conventions vary greatly and some have even changed names entirely, for example a recent change was many switching to a "lib" at the start rather than at the end or adding it where it was missing before. While a name change may break dependencies it may not, depending what called for that dependency, and while X may be compatible with y 2.0, that doesn't mean it works properly when combined with z 1.3 compared to how it works with z 1.2 or the other way around.
You may want to try the appimage before changing distros.
understand what you're saying there, and it is definitely worth a try, however, why would it be crashing at random points in time if it is a problem with dependencies. it loads up perfectly fine, and sometimes will work for a decent period of time (very rarely), but it almost always crashes at some point, even when i have not given any user input to change anything. is discord trying to do something in the background? if it is, why does it sometimes work for a good amount of time, and sometimes not ¯\_(ツ)_/It may only be crashing when it makes a specific call to that resource/dependency or another program steals a specific resource/dependency it needs.
Just out of curiosity and laziness, I have both my desktop and laptop set to dual-boot into Windows and Mint Cinnamon, but generally use Windows.The most recent tends to always be the recommendation.
In your opinion, which recent release of Mint is most superior for the casual user? I keep my Linux directories lean and clean, and could upgrade with minimum drama (aka trauma).
pretty much always required a re-install,
Any recommendations for a user-friendly rolling release distro? Is Manjaro a good way to go? I don't have any major requirements other than having basic development tools available in repositories, but don't want to spend a bunch of time vetting software updates for compatibility with my system. If it matters, I don't need bleeding-edge hardware support, the hardware I'm considering is about 5 years old.Depends on your skill level and how much definition you want for the software.
Or just go Ubuntu, it works. Everything is fine out of the box and stays that way.Did they make it rolling release then or is it still number and associated alliterative animal?
Or just go Ubuntu, it works. Everything is fine out of the box and stays that way.Did they make it rolling release then or is it still number and associated alliterative animal?
I use funtoo, and it was my first linux distro. I'm planning on trying arch some time soon on one of my spare computers though.
Or just go Ubuntu, it works. Everything is fine out of the box and stays that way.
Any recommendations for a user-friendly rolling release distro? Is Manjaro a good way to go? I don't have any major requirements other than having basic development tools available in repositories, but don't want to spend a bunch of time vetting software updates for compatibility with my system. If it matters, I don't need bleeding-edge hardware support, the hardware I'm considering is about 5 years old.Depends on your skill level and how much definition you want for the software.
Manjaro is good, it fights me a bit here and there but many absolutely love it and it has a big community and buffers you from the latest bugs similar to other major distros.
Endeavour is another good one, though it's still a bit new, it takes over from Antergos, which was an absolute favorite of mine. While stable it's a bit more bleeding edge than Manjaro but only by the smallest of margins.
Arco is another good one, I personally prefer it since I can use the Type D version to install kernel, wireless and networking and install everything by hand from there, meaning it's absolutely stripped to the bone other than enough to get going but they offer standard installs as well. Arco is about as close to pure Arch as you will get without going pure Arch, meaning it's a bit more bleeding edge than the other two but I like not having anything extra but without the hassles of pure Arch.
If you're experienced any of the 3 will work, if you're still new to Linux, go with Majaro, it's by far the most noob friendly.
I can't remember the last time I ran across someone running Linux on their desktop at work.
Finding a decent laptop that ships with Linux and a warranty is hard, so people usually opt for a Mac.
Server side I usually see Ubuntu, CentOS and CoreOS. And lots and lots of containers.
I like the sound of Manjaro having a bit of a buffer, so will likely give that one a try. What you describe with Arco Type D sounds like what I did with a Debian netinstall about 6 years ago. That was fun, but more work than I'd like to do again at this point.Arco D takes planning, same as Arch or Debian or Slack or.... Arco D just removes the hassle of the initial install, similar to Ubuntu Server. I pretty much can guarantee I can backup, reinstall, and have all my data back in place other than games in less time than most users or even most distros can really even get started putting everything back. While it sounds daunting to have to install all your programs, if you keep notes, it's really just a simple command.
I hope I've got enough experience with linux to make the transition not too difficult. It's been a lot of years since I used a non-Debian-based distro, so I'm interested in seeing what the other side looks like.
Here's my install processYour first set of installs before rebooting don't seem to handle networking (though maybe they do through dependencies) so why not install, reboot, login as root (nothing's running and it's your house so hopefully no security risk) and run a script from the command line to do everything? Would only save seconds of interaction but you could be doing something else. Though I guess you wouldn't be back in X(?) quite as quickly (you could switch to another terminal and start it) and it could go wrong early without you noticing so actually take longer...
The base install of Arco installs networking.Here's my install processYour first set of installs before rebooting don't seem to handle networking (though maybe they do through dependencies) so why not install, reboot, login as root (nothing's running and it's your house so hopefully no security risk) and run a script from the command line to do everything? Would only save seconds of interaction but you could be doing something else. Though I guess you wouldn't be back in X(?) quite as quickly (you could switch to another terminal and start it) and it could go wrong early without you noticing so actually take longer...
Think I answered myself - it depends on your priorities, and as a user who's not reinstalled for nearly 3 years mine are probably very different to yours :)
Install Arco D with zero extras.
I like to do that "manual" install: it keeps me in the loop!This is a big part of it for me as well.
Currently experiencing a little issue on my new Ryzen 3700X but it's very likely due to the proprietary NVidia drivers
sudo modprobe msr
sudo ryzen-stabilizator -disable-c6 -enable-psicworkaround -enable-boosting
i did once install a linux manually, so i know it possible, but how do you install windows manually? the only 2 ways i know of is to use the windows installer or clone an installI like to do that "manual" install: it keeps me in the loop!This is a big part of it for me as well.
If you install Windows or Linux once using an installer you really don't learn much from it, though most have no need or want.
Are you sure it's that? I had similar issues (including whole random computer lock-ups), but that was due to the stability of early Ryzen and stepping states. There is a tool for that: ryzen-stabilizator. I run this at boot in a shells script:Not sure and haven't tested with another GPU yet.Code: [Select]sudo modprobe msr
sudo ryzen-stabilizator -disable-c6 -enable-psicworkaround -enable-boosting
I did not mean to imply installing Windows manually just that many people only do it once and move on or think setting up a new Dell is the same. It's an accomplishment doing it but in terms of learning things about your computer and keeping your skills fresh it actually ranks pretty low.i did once install a linux manually, so i know it possible, but how do you install windows manually? the only 2 ways i know of is to use the windows installer or clone an installI like to do that "manual" install: it keeps me in the loop!This is a big part of it for me as well.
If you install Windows or Linux once using an installer you really don't learn much from it, though most have no need or want.
Commenting here again... Still running Debian mostly everywhere but on my latest toy (AMD 3700X, nothing crazy fancy but it's the most recent computer I have) I'm running "Devuan" atm. It's a Debian fork, where everything "systemd related" has been removed. I have nothing against systemd but I'm not either a "pro systemd" fanatic (as in: I really don't care much about my init system as long as everything works). Anyway so I've got several Debian installs and, so far, one Devuan install. Seems to be working perfectly fine but YMMV.
What Kernal do you run?The only "Kernal"s I've seen, spelled with an 'a' were the ones in Commodore 's 8-bit machines (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/KERNAL) such as the Commodore 64. ;)
Oh man, I've tried to switch to a linux desktop multiple times over the past 20 years but it never stuck. My most recent serious attempt to switch was to OpenSuse maybe about 3 years ago. I think I made it a couple of months. I've tried Fedora, Mint, Ubuntu, Chakra, Gentoo and probably several others as well.
I do, however, plan to try Qubes OS in the next month or two for an extended period of time. I will be virtualizing windows this time so I won't have to try to give up outlook and onenote. I am hoping that I'll have better luck this time since I'm not actually trying to give up all my favorite windows apps at the same time as well.
When it comes to servers and command line, I absolutely love linux. You can pry it out of my cold dead hands :) I use Centos/RHEL here as I need the ultra long term stability. I'm fairly comfortable on an Ubuntu LTS server as well, but I don't really consider their LTS distro all that LTS. We're getting close to the next LTS release, but I just had to install an unbuntu server with the current LTS version, and it only has 3 years of bugfixes left. That kinda sucks for a "long term" OS that I just installed. This is why RHEL/Centos has a much longer support cycle. In addition, I can work with RPM spec files and can build/adjust my own RPMs most of the time without too much issue. This allows me to run my own small repository for my needs.
My firewalls are pfsense (freebsd), but I may switch to one of the vyatta forks at some point. I tried to use vyatta before pfsense, but found it more of a router OS and not super ideal for firewall use. But it's been years, and I really did love it. Managing it is similar to managing cisco or hp stuff.
What Kernal do you run?The only "Kernal"s I've seen, spelled with an 'a' were the ones in Commodore 's 8-bit machines (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/KERNAL) such as the Commodore 64. ;)
4.19.0-18-amd64 #1 SMP Debian 4.19.208-1 (2021-09-29) x86_64 GNU/Linux
Not Devuan, but another Debian spin-off without systemd (MX Linux).
i started using proxmox recently, tried multiple competitor as i do not like that they expect you to pay for freely available software and community support (not support by them but access to a community forum) but to be fair the competition just does not see to work at all, or at least not on my very early 64 bits server... so i guess they have somewhat a point.What are you trying to set up? All the software is the same regardless of the distro, maybe the config files move and how to start it on boot will change but that's it. The beauty of Linux is that hardware is irrelevant, there is no "that was built for Windows 7 of course it doesn't work in 10" nonsense so your old server is not a problem - it's 64bit so good as new.
Starting to make Linux Mint to really work for me, but I have run into something that has been problematic for me in the past: shortcutsWeb shortcuts vary depending on D.E.
I am an avid user of keyboard and desktop shortcuts, and they are my primary method of working and using the computer. I know that there must be a trick for this, but I am having trouble finding it. I use Firefox and remember that a shortcut needs to point to both Firefox and a URL, but I can't remember the way to ask the question to get the answer I want.
Thanks for your help, experts.
drag the tab to the bookmarks toolbar, creating a bookmark, then drag the bookmark to the desktop.
The method I posted just worked in a vm for me but sounds like what you want is keyboard shortcut and I'm not good with those.
drag the tab to the bookmarks toolbar, creating a bookmark, then drag the bookmark to the desktop.
That put something on the desktop, but it didn't simply open when I clicked on it. I think that the question that I am trying to ask is how to point to Firefox as the program to open it.
For example, in Windows, I can use "control-alt-g" and it opens the Geekhack index page, whether or not Firefox is already open.
what you want is keyboard shortcut and I'm not good with those.
I have never learned how to discover what file in Linux actually opens a program like Writer
libreoffice --writer
I haven't used anything but XFCE in a few years, but the above is 95% guaranteed to work in any modern window environment.Interestingly my XFCE doesn't let me right click on things in my menu, or rather when I do it treats it like a left click and opens it. Hopefully it works in Cinnamon!
fohat's screenshots. He's got all the pieces of the puzzle now.
THANK YOU SO VERY MUCH !
I have spent 2 hours on Linux Mint forums looking for that very simple answer to what I thought would be a very simple question. "firefox www.geekhack.org" worked perfectly with no need for -new-tab or any other such modifier.
Now if I can get the keyboard shortcut to work for programs like Writer I will be very pleased. When I go to Preferences>Keyboard>Keyboard Shortcuts>Custom Shortcuts it appears that I have created something but it doesn't actually work. In Windows, executable files usually end in .exe or .com but I have never learned how to discover what file in Linux actually opens a program like Writer, and/or how to force it to execute.
I really appreciate your help on this - and hope that others in my shoes will also benefit from it.
using the command `lowriter` to open Writer.
What Kernal do you run? My server runs Debian 10 (LTS to 2024), but I had some problems with kernel 4.19. However, Debian 11 has LTS on kernel 5.10. I think I need >5.4 unfortunately. I will just upgrade to a later kernel now, but at some point I think I will change OS to something more cutting edge. Any thoughts?
Does this count as 'I use Arch BTW'?Show Image(https://i.imgur.com/LYQSlCS.png)
Does this count as 'I use Arch BTW'?Show Image(https://i.imgur.com/LYQSlCS.png)
Booooy, do you have lots of stuff on your website.Does this count as 'I use Arch BTW'?Show Image(https://i.imgur.com/LYQSlCS.png)
Hey, I used the system to recover my Win10 key (https://xtrafrood.github.io/Windows_and_DOS/win_dos_vm/), and now I have Win10 running via VFIO with dual monitors. Damn that wonderful Fusion 360Show Image(https://i.imgur.com/RewazzA.gif)
Booooy, do you have lots of stuff on your website.Does this count as 'I use Arch BTW'?Show Image(https://i.imgur.com/LYQSlCS.png)
Hey, I used the system to recover my Win10 key (https://xtrafrood.github.io/Windows_and_DOS/win_dos_vm/), and now I have Win10 running via VFIO with dual monitors. Damn that wonderful Fusion 360Show Image(https://i.imgur.com/RewazzA.gif)
Does this count as 'I use Arch BTW'?Show Image(https://i.imgur.com/LYQSlCS.png)
Does this count as 'I use Arch BTW'?Show Image(https://i.imgur.com/LYQSlCS.png)
This applies to any Arch based distro.
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Most "Arch users" are not using Arch and it's just ridiculous elitism that turns off potential Linux converts.
All those complaints about Linux users being elitist jerks, most of that spawned from Arch users.
A joke told nearly 12 million times according to Google.Most "Arch users" are not using Arch and it's just ridiculous elitism that turns off potential Linux converts.Does this count as 'I use Arch BTW'?Show Image(https://i.imgur.com/LYQSlCS.png)
All those complaints about Linux users being elitist jerks, most of that spawned from Arch users.
Also, it's a joke for fun. You know.. for kicks. I don't know what's worse, someone using "I use arch btw" to be elitest, or someone pointing out the fact that people do this.
I used Arch btw (https://xtrafrood.github.io/Linux/Distros/arch/).all girls are yours
Most "Arch users" are not using Arch and it's just ridiculous elitism that turns off potential Linux converts.I never realised Arch was that old - 20 years ago I was using Slackware and the other big names were Debian, Red Hat and Suse, all the elitism I saw was Linux > Windows which was less true than it is today. Having come to Arch after using most other distros at least briefly I wonder what anyone thinks is different enough to warrant elitism as aside from being newbie friendly (I read hardly anything and haven't managed to break it) I'm not seeing it.
All those complaints about Linux users being elitist jerks, most of that spawned from Arch users.
I never realised Arch was that old - 20 years ago I was using Slackware and the other big names were Debian, Red Hat and SuseMandrake!!!
Loaded Ubuntu Jellyfish (22.04) on an old Acer laptop (is running on DDR2) I had lying around, definitely breathed new life into it. Runs alot better compared to the pig win10 was on it - plan on using it to get more comfortable with the distro and get reacquainted with it.
I wonder what anyone thinks is different enough to warrant elitism as aside from being newbie friendly
Loaded Ubuntu Jellyfish (22.04) on an old Acer laptop (is running on DDR2) I had lying around, definitely breathed new life into it. Runs alot better compared to the pig win10 was on it - plan on using it to get more comfortable with the distro and get reacquainted with it.
I just upgraded a two year old work partition on my laptop from Ubuntu 20.04 to 22.04. I can barely tell the difference, and I love that!
And while Ubuntu is great, Ubuntu Mate may bring a bit more life to that DDR2 system. I mean, that's not taking into account whether or not you prefer Gnome 3 over Mate.
I see. Yes Gentoo was much more "fun" but it still has automatic dependencies - if you want to do it properly try Linux From Scratch (I never went that far but had a friend who got to Fluxbox before realising just how many things were needed for real apps)I wonder what anyone thinks is different enough to warrant elitism as aside from being newbie friendlyYou have to *gasp* install it yourself from command line.
Seriously, that's really it, I guess they never heard of Gentoo.
if you want to do it properly try Linux From Scratch (I never went that far but had a friend who got to Fluxbox before realising just how many things were needed for real apps)
What Kernal do you run? My server runs Debian 10 (LTS to 2024), but I had some problems with kernel 4.19. However, Debian 11 has LTS on kernel 5.10. I think I need >5.4 unfortunately. I will just upgrade to a later kernel now, but at some point I think I will change OS to something more cutting edge. Any thoughts?
Good question: I only see your message now. I should be "reunited" with my Devuan-running 3700X in a few days and I'll check which kernel it's running. Now... I certainly don't think Devuan is "cutting edge": for a start it's based on Debian and Debian is ultra-conservative. Then Devuan tends to "lag" a bit compared to the Debian release. Others will have ideas hopefully!
I am retiring from Windows and moving to Mint/Cinnamon but I have a problem in Nemo.to be fair i know it exists, but last 3 times i had to do that i either used a script because i had no X (it was over SSH on a pi) or at work on windows... and i really dislike both Nemo and Dolphin (not the GC emulator, but KDE's file manager), my favorite were EmelFM2 and now Krusader (both are Norton commander clones)
My goal is to rename a cluster of files such as "image00051.jpg-image00061.jpg" to "Sunday-hike001.jpg-Sunday-hike010.jpg"
Linux forums tend to be obtuse and the "fixes" that are suggested often do not work (or cannot be invoked at all).
There must be an easy way to do this. Don't people do it all the time? I certainly do.
I am retiring from Windows and moving to Mint/Cinnamon but I have a problem in Nemo.It's old but does this still work (https://forums.linuxmint.com/viewtopic.php?t=236118)? I know Thunar still has the bulk renamer but I don't have Nemo to see if the config has changed.
My goal is to rename a cluster of files such as "image00051.jpg-image00061.jpg" to "Sunday-hike001.jpg-Sunday-hike010.jpg"
if you can do it in windows with 2 clicks i think i did not understand you, i do not think windows has any mass renaming tool integrated, does it? (i have not used windows in months now, and i only ever used it at work for years before that)Same - except it's been years. Did they actually put something useful and intuitive into Windows explorer when they removed all the useful stuff like control panel?
do it in windows with 2 clicks
to get that box to show up in Nemo
well you learn something new everyday, i never thought windows allowed renaming like that.
do it in windows with 2 clicks
I was wrong, being careless and flip. It is actually about 4 clicks depending on how you count.
Let's say that I am in the directory "Downloads" looking at the recent photos. I can click on the first photo in the group from my hike, then hold Shift and click on the last one. The group is now selected and I can right-click on any one of the files and get a drop-down that includes "Rename"
When I start typing the files are primed to receive their new name "hike-photo", eg "hike-photo (1), hike-photo (2), etc"
Looks like this is how you wan
Under Edit -> Preferences in Nemo on the Behaviour tab (on the left not across the top) scroll down and the last item is custom command for bulk rename, which is "thunar -B" without the quotes.
Under Edit -> Preferences in Nemo on the Behaviour tab (on the left not across the top) scroll down and the last item is custom command for bulk rename, which is "thunar -B" without the quotes.
- why don't Mint forums give out such concise information?a mix of not being suicidal_orange, overestimating the user's capabilities and gatekeeping, at least this is my guess :)
i never thought windows allowed renaming like that.
why don't Mint forums give out such concise information?I think the problem is multi layered. First many of those who know Linux probably use it and are not aware how the Windows renamer works in the latest version to know what you're trying to emulate (I'm 100% sure this didn't work in XP...) and of those who are aware (as well as those who aren't) many are not native English speakers so there is always going to be some misunderstanding there. Then you have a very specific scenario which you are searching for an answer to while the real answer of to how to add a custom command is more vague - you need the same answer as someone looking to rename their music collection based on the tags, though in that case the recommended command is probably going to be easytag. What are the chances you'd find that thread? Also every newbie thinks that whatever distribution they're running is really important but once you're in a graphical interface it really isn't - your question is about Nemo, a file manager, and the way to add the command is exactly the same in your Mint install as my Arch one so you'd may as well search on your search engine of choice as the Mint forum then maybe you find someone using another distro trying to renaming their pictures and you find exact answer.
every newbie thinks that whatever distribution they're running is really important but once you're in a graphical interface it really isn'tOnce you're in TUI, it matters even less.
I'm 100% sure this didn't work in XP
how to add a custom command
You can select a group of files to copy or delete, why not rename?i may play devils advocate, but i never knew it worked that way in windows because i do not expect renaming to work on multiple files, to me changing what identify a file is inherently an action that act on that one file, so i never thought of selecting 10 files and try to rename them.
I'm 100% sure this didn't work in XPI am very surprised to hear that this is not how I have been doing it for as long as I have used Windows, that is since 98, but I do not doubt you. At any rate I have been doing it as described regularly for many many years.
i never knew it worked that way in windows because i do not expect renaming to work on multiple files, to me changing what identify a file is inherently an action that act on that one file, so i never thought of selecting 10 files and try to rename them.
Once you're in TUI, it matters even less.TUI = Text User Interface? If I'm in text mode either I'm still installing things to get to graphical so I don't want to translate every apt-get command to RPM while hoping the package has the same name when reading a guide, or I'm on a server in which case I'm more interested in finding config and log files for services and configuring what starts at boot which are (or at least used to be when I last messed with stuff) less standardised.
Fohat doesn't want Thunar
the Unix philosophy, a program should do one thing and do it well
I can't help but think that it is frustrations like these that are the greatest stumbling block to people wanting to migrate to Linux from Windows and Apple.Sadly, you're right :(
pactl list | grep monitor
and copy the text after name: (cool Linux trick - if you highlight text it is automatically copied to a separate clipboard and you can paste it by pressing the middle mouse button)pcm.pulse_monitor {
type pulse
device alsa_output.pci-0000_00_1b.0.analog-stereo.monitor
}
ctl.pulse_monitor {
type pulse
device alsa_output.pci-0000_00_1b.0.analog-stereo.monitor
}
pressing "scan" with your mouse
This will add some pulse_monitor devices to the bottom of the device list in Audacity
lsmod | grep snd
20.2 -> 20.3 should be painless, 20.x -> 21 might not be.It won't.
Scanning software absolutely sucks.for scanners the best are the ones that scans to a SMB share, it is always compatible with all OS as long as it does have some SMB support, although it seems that only pro and semi-pro models do have that feature, and it is not even a guarantee.
We have standards for it, many companies agree to it, and yet it never works. Even on Windows.
Nothing I work on in IT annoys me more than scanners.
As for Audacity...
They were recently acquired by a company and first thing they announced was adding telemetry/spyware, while they reversed course, beware.
Slowly switching all my system over to Endeavour, Arco works great but getting tired of pgp key issues every 6-12 months.
While their tutorials on fixing it are good, I HAAATE having to watch a 20 minute video, much less three 20 minute videos to get an answer I could get in 30 seconds had it been written.
for scanners the best are the ones that scans to a SMB share, it is always compatible with all OS as long as it does have some SMB support, although it seems that only pro and semi-pro models do have that feature, and it is not even a guarantee.
as for Audacity, i thought it was open source, if they try that they are going to have the same problem as Oracle with OpenOffice, the community will fork and the original will be abandoned, well it is my guess.
Brother B&W laser fax/scanner supports scan to SMB
i actually managed to score an HP 4200N that came from a school with its original cartridge for 10 euros from Emmaüs. it lacks scan but it does have very good Linux support, and as far i as read is rock solid, cheap very large cartridge and prints really fast. and looking at used Ricoh pro copiers with their universal postscript drivers
for scanners the best are the ones that scans to a SMB share, it is always compatible with all OS as long as it does have some SMB support, although it seems that only pro and semi-pro models do have that feature, and it is not even a guarantee.
as for Audacity, i thought it was open source, if they try that they are going to have the same problem as Oracle with OpenOffice, the community will fork and the original will be abandoned, well it is my guess.
Audacity is open source, didn't take long for them to figure out it was a bad idea to do this.
The Brother B&W laser fax/scanner supports scan to SMB, which is what I'm using on mine.
This is pretty much best printer you can buy, cheap to buy, cheap to operate, can sit for years without use and never dry up, supports ethernet and wifi. Yeah, it lacks color, but color home printing is rarely economical and should only be done if you do lots of it. Take it to Walmart or something if you need color. If you only use a printer on occasion get the Brother, so many techs are using these it's almost comical.
20.2 -> 20.3 should be painless, 20.x -> 21 might not be.
It won't.
20.2 -> 20.3 should be painless, 20.x -> 21 might not be.
It won't.
It seems that it would make sense for me to wipe my T440p laptop and move up to Mint 20.3 (currently it has Win10 and Mint 19.x in various partitions on a new-ish SSD).
If you have more than 8gigs ram (often even just 4gb), you can almost always ditch the swap, I haven't used one in years.swap really depends on the distro, when i had debian on my old dual CPU workstation with 32GB of ram it was very unstable without swap, while opensuse on the same hardware did not care in the slightest. and on my laptop with 8GB the system just completely hangs when it runs out of ram because the OOM daemon is still trying to swap to disk...
Separate home, in my experience is more hassle than it's worth.
It's nice to think you can wipe, re-install and not lose that, but I always spend more time trying to work around it than just copying it off to another drive and putting it back. Another downside, and this was the final nail in it for me was several ISO's (at least Arch based) were creating too small of a main partition and I ran out of space while doing updates. After the second time, almost right after install I said enough of that.
my laptop with 8GB the system just completely hangs when it runs out of ram because the OOM daemon is still trying to swap to disk...
I think I have 8GB on my laptop but can't remember for sure.run "free -h" in the terminal, that will show you how much you have :)
with 8GB the system just completely hangs when it runs out of ram
well, i am running debian 9, so it is rather old and close to end of support, i do not know about newer version as i only ran them as headless servers, and opensuse on my older laptop did not have any issues running with no swap and 8GB of ram, really seems to be a debian thing, although depending on if you have an hdd you could spare a 1GB swap partition on it to make sure to never run in that problem, swap is rather bad for ssd though so if you are only running on an ssd i would recommend trying without the swap 1st.
my laptop with 8GB the system just completely hangs when it runs out of ram because the OOM daemon is still trying to swap to disk...
I think I have 8GB on my laptop but can't remember for sure. Maybe I am going blind, but it seems that neither System Monitor nor System Reports shows RAM. How can that be?
And was yours an old problem or something that is happening currently?
there should be a way to make the oomd [on debian] behave correctlyThis is another of those things where the distro really doesn't matter - oomd is oomd. If you never use all your memory you surely can't have a problem however badly it's configured though?
Since I don't game or do video editing, and strive to keep a minimum of operations and tabs open at any given time, what else would consume that amount of RAM?I've loaded a light game in wine, a 10 minute stereo wav in Audacity, a big picture in gimp and 20 tabs in Firefox including a 1080p youtube video and that's 5Gi used - I'm surprised as I've been under the impression 16GB has been the sensible choice for years but it's clearly still not required. As a test you can run "sudo sysctl vm.swappiness=0" which will disable swap until you restart (a crash is a restart), if it doesn't crash you can make it permanent.
Since I don't game or do video editing, and strive to keep a minimum of operations and tabs open at any given time, what else would consume that amount of RAM?Web browser.
but you'd probably have to do that if you copied the files elsewhere and back too.Depends on what you transferred them to.
If it's a Linux file system, permissions need to be reset. Unless you compressed it, then it would depend on the compression settings used.If the copy was done to a folder created on a Linux partition as the user and the UUID in the new distro is the same as the old one permissions should stick? (Unless copying back as root wipes them...) Copying to a Windows partition is just silly, not only do you lose ownership you also lose any read only or executable permissions. I guess if you're doing it because you keep your music and photos in /home it's fine but the whole point, to me, is config files and scripts. I hadn't considered filesystem differences aren't obvious to someone coming from Windows.
It's not a Windows issue, neither OS respects the others file permissions.I don't think Windows gets a pass here, rather both Linux and Windows have an issue built in too deep to fix (or more likely neither is willing to put in the significant effort required when they think theirs is the best way)
permissions need to be reset.
the old one permissions should stick?
you lose ownership you also lose any read only or executable permissions.
considered filesystem differences aren't obvious to someone coming from Windows.
If the copy was done to a folder created on a Linux partition as the user and the UUID in the new distro is the same as the old one permissions should stick? (Unless copying back as root wipes them...) Copying to a Windows partition is just silly, not only do you lose ownership you also lose any read only or executable permissions. I guess if you're doing it because you keep your music and photos in /home it's fine but the whole point, to me, is config files and scripts. I hadn't considered filesystem differences aren't obvious to someone coming from Windows.
I don't think Windows gets a pass here, rather both Linux and Windows have an issue built in too deep to fix (or more likely neither is willing to put in the significant effort required when they think theirs is the best way)Linux actually respects Windows permissions same as it's own, it just cannot set them.
And I had thought that I was making my way out of the woods.
I am committed to transitioning from Windows to Linux, and I have a colossal backlog of "stuff" that I seldom/rarely/never use but don't want to lose. Much of it is in the form of retired hard drives gathering dust on the shelf. (I have various outboard devices that they can be plugged into and output USB) A few years ago I started formatting (most of) my data drives to exFAT but there are many others that are NTFS and pretty much all of them were created and filled via Windows.
My current C:\ drive (created during a Windows 10 install) has a lot of current/recent stuff that I definitely don't want to lose. Am I wrong to think that the safest move would be to copy my important files onto a disk formatted to exFAT? Is it better to do this using Windows or Linux?
Presumably these are core questions that anybody contemplating making the move will want to understand.
i do have some apps that are huge memory hogs in the long run, like FF with 400+tabs (depending on what is loaded, using from 2 to 6GB), discord (seen it hit 4GB on some versions) and steam (also sometimes hits in the 3GB used if ran for long enough), and i tried vm.swappiness=0, seems to have done nothing, also telling OOMD to start only after memory is completely full, none worked, still hangs the system at 6.5GB used, it is why i say my system may be a bit borked... maybe updating to debian 10 packages without a full system reinstall is not a great idea, what made me think it was a debian thing is that other distroes even on much tighter memory constraints never displayed that kind of bugginess, even suse/kde on a 2GB laptop with no swap do not (the debian installer will not start on it, so can't try, well i could but it is not worth the time).there should be a way to make the oomd [on debian] behave correctlyThis is another of those things where the distro really doesn't matter - oomd is oomd. If you never use all your memory you surely can't have a problem however badly it's configured though?Since I don't game or do video editing, and strive to keep a minimum of operations and tabs open at any given time, what else would consume that amount of RAM?I've loaded a light game in wine, a 10 minute stereo wav in Audacity, a big picture in gimp and 20 tabs in Firefox including a 1080p youtube video and that's 5Gi used - I'm surprised as I've been under the impression 16GB has been the sensible choice for years but it's clearly still not required. As a test you can run "sudo sysctl vm.swappiness=0" which will disable swap until you restart (a crash is a restart), if it doesn't crash you can make it permanent.
Also on partitions I have kept the same /home across many distros - during the install you select manual partitioning/mounting and only chose to format / which means whatever partition sizes you carefully chose on your first install are maintained. Once I couldn't log in which required logging in as root and chown'ing /home/me/* and /home/me/.* to fix the permissions but you'd probably have to do that if you copied the files elsewhere and back too.
everything I "know" seems to be wrong
It may just be depression speaking but everything I "know" seems to be wrong so I'm done here.Welcome to
Hey, don't be so hard on yourself. Many questions have multiple answers.So much this.
It may just be depression speaking but everything I "know" seems to be wrong so I'm done here.Linux does evolve fast, and every system can be unique tailored by the person using it to its own needs, and if you were making allusions to the NTFS and FAT permissions, i do remember not that long ago some versions would not take permissions at all on those, and i think i have also seen settings to disable and enable support for that feature (not quite sure about that last one), you may not be completely wrong, just maybe either have used an outdated version of the ntfs driver (is it still ntfs3g?) or use a distro with different default parameters for it, or some other things, happens to all of us, well maybe not all, most of us, and you may be one of the most knowledgeable and eager to help member of the community, so you are bound to sometimes be wrong. look at me, i am far less often helpful and far more often wrong :)
Just to be clear you downloaded a video in Linux while logged in as you and put it on the USB then put the USB in the TV to watch it then put it back in the computer and can't delete it as the same user?
What filesystem is on the drive? Can you put a file on the drive and delete it without unplugging?
File properties would depend on your file manager, sounds like you're still using Nemo? Thunar
I found it and tried it but it didn't seem to "take" - it didn't seem to change anything.
Will I need to restart to kick it in?
thunar %U
I would right click on the launcher icon, select edit, and change the command (see attached). In your case, the command you want is probablyCode: [Select]thunar %U
It is Mint 20.2 and Cinnamon 5.0.7
I was planning to upgrade to Mint 21 when it comes out.
Is the panel locked? Right click on an empty part of the bar and there might be "unlock" (or similar), it's supposed to stop you dragging and moving things by mistake. This is a thing on at least one desktop but I don't remember which.
Right click, and select 'pin to panel' on the Thunar icon. See if this new Thunar icon has all the behaviour you expect.
Try installing 'Thunar-media-tags-plugin' from the software manager.
it might catapult Linux forward in popularity by an order of magnitude.
Excellent! This is what I was looking for.
Again, I am perplexed, why is this so arcane that it takes multiple questions to multiple experts?
My searches on Linux Mint forums never even got me close to this.
Shouldn't be included by default? Wouldn't everybody want to know it?
edit -
Issues like this that hardly rise to the level of "trivial" to experienced users like you guys are colossal barriers to entry for Windows users who don't think in terms of having to chase down and install "assistance" programs for things have "always seemed like defaults" in M$. It just makes them throw up their hands and run back to what they know. I am speaking for myself, of course, but I suspect that I am pretty typical of millions of others out there.
If there was an easy-to-find and easy-to-read Linux compendium of "How to do basic computer things .... "
Of course, since there is no significant monetization available to anyone in a FOSS environment, by definition, then there is no reason for anybody to distribute information or help.
Issues like this that hardly rise to the level of "trivial" to experienced users like you guys are colossal barriers to entry for Windows users who don't think in terms of having to chase down and install "assistance" programs for things have "always seemed like defaults"
I agree this is completely unhelpful for a large group of users.
There's also a contingent who don't want Linux to be like Windows, because they don't like Windows.
I also find it strange that a big distro ships it's flagship version which it admits is resource heavy with such a limited file manager.
Perhaps the most bewildering part is the realm of "permissions" and all its related roadblocks. I live alone and am the sole user of my desktop (which I built myself from parts!) and laptop computers, the concept that I can't just give myself "permission" to do whatever I want any time is profoundly perplexing. Why am I not the apex "super user" everywhere all the time?
apt-get purge k3b
apt-get autoremove
apt-get autoremove
autoremove checks all the installed packages
Perhaps the most bewildering part is the realm of "permissions" and all its related roadblocks. I live alone and am the sole user of my desktop (which I built myself from parts!) and laptop computers, the concept that I can't just give myself "permission" to do whatever I want any time is profoundly perplexing. Why am I not the apex "super user" everywhere all the time?
The last thing you want to do is be logged in as root and then somehow end up typing "rm -rf /". or other stupid things you might do at o-dark thirty while not thinking.I ran "dd if=/dev/zero of=/dev/sda" to test the speed of an SD card once, it wiped my Windows partition then started on / before crashing :-[ Luckily /home was later on the drive so restoring the partition table recovered it. I'd have typed sudo just as easily though - some things just shouldn't be done late at night or after drinking...
OK, here is another less-than-critical question :
I feel like the choices in LibreOffice Writer fonts are lame and boring, but I am having a heck of a time finding the real list of (what I feel like must exist) optional fonts. A Google search shows some "lists" that do not show what the fonts listed actually look like or how to get them.
For now, I am looking for something along the lines of Cooper, Benguiat, or Vagabond, but I would like access to better selections than what appear by default.
Thanks again ....
The only extra fonts I've ever installed is the 'ttf-mscorefonts-installer' package, which included some basic fonts for better MS Office compatibility.
This (https://community.linuxmint.com/tutorial/view/455) appears to be a guide for the more Windows-like way of installing fonts
There's tens of thousands of fonts.
double click a TTF file and the viewer should offer an install option.
The "Sound" section in the main menu shows both playback and recording to be active. Audacity plays music files as it should.
When I press the "Record" button in Audacity whatever you call the vertical "moving line" opens and moves from left to right but the sound wave is a flat line.
Am I understanding that Audacity is failing to find the record portion of the sound card even though it uses the play portion properly?
systemctl --user stop pulseaudio.socket
systemctl --user stop pulseaudio.service
It looks strange that the HDMI device comes first and even stranger that it appears to offer it as a recording device.
Run pavucontrol and on the configuration tab set it to off and click the padlock, this will stop pulseaudio from trying to use it if it is.
then try recording pulse and pulse_monitor while something's making noise.
Then the other scenario is getting your line in to show up. Do you get any "line in" devices if you disable pulseaudio?
cd /etc
sudo mv pulse pulseold
sudo tar xzvf /home/harry/Downloads/pulse.tar.gz
cat /home/harry/.asoundrc
Ah, that F6. Yes you can switch between "soundcards" but you only have one plus an HDMI port which if it's like mine has no inputs in alsamixer. HDMI audio is encrypted and I can't help thinking that's what it's trying to record. Do you ever send sound to your monitor via HDMI or can we attempt to blacklst that device?
systemctl --user stop pulseaudio.socket
systemctl --user stop pulseaudio.service
sudo rmmod -f snd_hda_codec_hdmi
systemctl --user start pulseaudio.service
systemctl --user start pulseaudio.socket
code
sudo rmmod -f snd_hda_codec_hdmi
lsmod | grep hdmi
mv /lib/modules/`uname -r`/kernel/sound/pci/hda/snd-hda-codec-hdmi.ko.zst /root
as soon as you start trying to do anything outside the norm
Installing Audacity is outside the norm?
Current version of Audacity is too new for bleeding edge Mint?
Maybe I just never stopped to ask the question - What is the simplest and most straightforward Linux distro for a mid-level user who has been with MicroSoft for several decades?
I dabbled with Linux for over a decade, first with Ubuntu but then they changed everything and I heard that they went "corporate" so I bailed. I spent a few disastrous weeks attempting openSUSE but was driven away by the haters. Mint has generally been fine except for 2 things that really get under my skin - (1) my new-ish Brother printer/scanner seems to be banished to the Phantom Zone and (2) Audacity will not record properly. Other than that I have been pleased with it, after the heartache of getting it up and running with basic accoutrements like dual monitors keyboard shortcuts.
Manjaro is probably the least bleeding edge but it felt a bit limited to me as a result, almost like it was hand holding, less so than Mint, but still a lot of hand holding, some prefer this, you might.
I use the AUR to install my Brother, works great though I've never used it to scan, just print.
I have installed Manjaro with KDE on the laptop. It seemed to go well enough, but it seems disorienting in many ways.This is a desktop environment issue, not a distro issue. You can install KDE on Mint and Cinnamon (Mint's desktop) on any other distro.
My printer/scanner has a "Wi-fi" button that I press and it just keeps blinking as if it cannot remember how to connect and eventually times out (remember when I switched to Mint I eventually gave up and ran a USB cable around the walls, although the modem is only about 4 feet away from it?). Can a Brother DCP-L2550DW not cope with being plugged in and accessing Wi-fi at the same time?The wifi button is used in connection with the quick connect (WPS) button on your router, not the computer.
Is there a significant difference between pacman and yay?YAY accesses the AUR but it's just another package manager.
Another thing you could try is plugging the laptop hard drive into the PC in place of your normal boot drive and switching it on.
you should be able to see what sound devices show up and record something to test.
Leslieann suggested that Mint/Cinnamon might be problematic going forward, so I downloaded Manjaro/KDE and put that on the laptop to see how it felt, in hopes that it might be somewhere I could land and stay permanently. I am an old man and I don't want to keep hopping around with computer OS's in my life.
"sudo apt-get" without even blinking ....In most instances you can skip the "-get", yay is even faster, it's a shorter command and doesn't even need sudo ("yay -S ____").
My questions starting yesterday concern the laptop.As I've said a few times in the past it seems like we're speaking different languages at times (don't worry it's my problem not yours as it happens with lots of people. I went for Autistic spectrum assessment and that side fits, but I'm not anxious so can't possibly be that...)
When the beta release of Mint 21 came out I installed it on the laptop (since there was nothing to lose in a clean install) in hopes that the Audacity problem would have found a solution.
I think what you want at the end of the day is your home computer recording from line in or whatever sound is playing through the speakers (or meaning choosing one not both at once) and a working printer, preferably wirelessly with a "scan" button. Is this correct?
Gimp and Audacity are both GTK apps so running them under KDE will mean longer updates as you'll need to update both toolkits - what about KDE makes you think it's better for you?
I detest constantly having to (1) learn about the existence of, (2) find, and (3) install add-ons or extensions for every little thing that I always assumed to be fundamental and universal actions that almost any computer user would perform.Let me guess, Konqueror (the KDE file manager) handles file renaming like Windows? (https://cdn.geekhack.org/Smileys/solosmileys/laugh.gif)
handles file renaming like Windows?
I thought that Dolphin was the default file manager?You're right. Maybe Konqueror was the old file manager, maybe it was a text editor, or maybe I'm confusing it with something completely different just because it starts with a K - as I said it's been a while. Dolphin is wrong though, everything in KDE used to start with a K. Makes it easy to know what programs to avoid!
Just thought I should share that I've finally got an issue with my years-old Arch installation - they've renamed some wxgtk packages and now it can't satisfy dependencies to do an update!I have tried to use Linux (4 forks already) just to reach a point where it is so frustrating to do some tasks that I have skinned my boring but efficient win 10 to look a bit better, and I have quit trying to use anything else. It is incredible that some open source software—like R—are just easier to use in Windows than in Linux. Even some cloud services are just to hard to configure in Linux, while their windows counterparts run smoothly. It is a shame.
It is a shame.
Just thought I should share that I've finally got an issue with my years-old Arch installation - they've renamed some wxgtk packages and now it can't satisfy dependencies to do an update!
I have tried to use Linux (4 forks already) just to reach a point where it is so frustrating to do some tasks
Even some cloud services are just to hard to configure in Linux, while their windows counterparts run smoothly. It is a shame.Corporations love Linux but hate Linux users.
Konqueror was the default web browser and an option for a file manager, i only ever known it as an option and not the default, but it was a far better file manager, even if a bit less elegant, only recently it lost the file manager preset allowing the file manager sidebar (like on dolphin or on windows)I thought that Dolphin was the default file manager?You're right. Maybe Konqueror was the old file manager, maybe it was a text editor, or maybe I'm confusing it with something completely different just because it starts with a K - as I said it's been a while. Dolphin is wrong though, everything in KDE used to start with a K. Makes it easy to know what programs to avoid!
Just thought I should share that I've finally got an issue with my years-old Arch installation - they've renamed some wxgtk packages and now it can't satisfy dependencies to do an update!that is rather annoying, i have some similar problem with my hybrid 9/10 debian install, some packages searching old dependencies with = version or renamed dependencies, but then i kinda asked for it.
I have tried to use Linux (4 forks already) just to reach a point where it is so frustrating to do some tasks that I have skinned my boring but efficient win 10 to look a bit better, and I have quit trying to use anything else. It is incredible that some open source software—like R—are just easier to use in Windows than in Linux. Even some cloud services are just to hard to configure in Linux, while their windows counterparts run smoothly. It is a shame.well it is not that incredible, a lot of open source software is made with Windows in mind, not that it has the widest user-base or anything, and that R from what i know is a annalist language, not a computer science oriented one, i'd say it make sense that they would focus on windows. even MS have opensource projects, would you expect those to be working well on Linux?
Linux is NOT Windows, nor is it a replacement.as an OS it somewhat is, though, and does a very good job at it all things considered
Google is all but hostile towards Linux.i find that statement rather strange though, Google uses Linux as the base for their most successful product (Android), participate a lot to the security of the kernel and were part of the transition to real-time (what makes Linux sometimes pretty much the only option for time critical applications, other than a home codded OS). I do not see any of it as hostility, although they are very hostile towards Firefox yes.
An OS by definition has to perform certain tasks similar to it's competition, they all have their specialties though.Linux is NOT Windows, nor is it a replacement.as an OS it somewhat is, though, and does a very good job at it all things considered
Google is all but hostile towards Linux.i find that statement rather strange though, Google uses Linux as the base for their most successful product (Android), participate a lot to the security of the kernel and were part of the transition to real-time (what makes Linux sometimes pretty much the only option for time critical applications, other than a home codded OS). I do not see any of it as hostility, although they are very hostile towards Firefox yes.
[Arch updates] already fixed.Nope, I still get this!
pacman -Suy
:: Synchronising package databases...
core 157.2 KiB 734 KiB/s 00:00 [########################################################] 100%
extra 1720.0 KiB 7.21 MiB/s 00:00 [########################################################] 100%
community 6.7 MiB 7.62 MiB/s 00:01 [########################################################] 100%
multilib 171.7 KiB 3.90 MiB/s 00:00 [########################################################] 100%
:: Starting full system upgrade...
:: Replace wxgtk-common with extra/wxwidgets-common? [Y/n]
:: Replace wxgtk3 with extra/wxwidgets-gtk3? [Y/n]
resolving dependencies...
looking for conflicting packages...
error: failed to prepare transaction (could not satisfy dependencies)
:: removing wxgtk-common breaks dependency 'wxgtk-common' required by wxgtk2
pacman -Qii wxgtk2
Nothing handled by pacman. Great - remove it:pamant -r wxgtk2
Update complete :thumb:I haven't used Windows on my personal machines for 15 years, so I guess Linux is a good replacement.Nice. It's been my main OS for at least 18 years but I used to "have to" use Windows for games. The only thing Windows had going for it was consistently being able to find all the settings in one place (Win98, 2000, ME, XP...) but once they started "simplifying" the control panel that was no longer true. You could also say printer drivers and games but in reality that was an advantage earned by being most popular OS so the other companies did the work for them; no credit belongs to Windows.
Google has repeatedly dangled a carrot to Linux users claiming native apps were coming then either never dropping or releasing half baked cloud based versions that only work through Chrome (and no other browsers).honestly, i did not know google had any desktop app since the discontinuation of google desktop, to me they only made phone and web apps, but then linux user :)
Now I am back to whining and begging again - about "permissions" - surprise !i have used k3b extensively on multiple distroes and never managed to get this error, i guess cdrom is not as popular as it used to be :)
I can't even comprehend what this is talking about, and going online to places such as Linux forums shows me things to do, but what they show is not what comes up on my own screen when I follow their instructions.
(My apologies, again, and should I just start a "Harry whining about Linux" thread so that I am not turdposting on this one?)
i have used k3b extensively on multiple distroes and never managed to get this error, i guess cdrom is not as popular as it used to be :)
my guess is that your user does not have cdrom permission, try to type groups in a terminal and look if you are in the cdrom group? (as i said never seen this error, but the fact that there is a cdrom group written in the exact same way the error writes it makes me think it may be that)
gpasswd -a harry audio
What is in the device settings in k3b?
I also see you're not in the audio group
a group is a way to handle permisions in a nicer and more (super)user friendly way, instead of having to change the permissions per individual user per file you assign files and users to groups, in a single user system it is less useful but still easier than having to go and give yourself the rights to all files associated with audio. and as SO pointed out windows uses the same system, just behind a deep menu that not many peoples know about :)
What is in the device settings in k3b?
I also see you're not in the audio group
Thank you, I have been added to the audio group, but it doesn't seem to change anything.
WTF is a group?
And I cannot find "device settings" in k3b, that is why I posted that screen shot.
Every time I turn around I am struck, yet again, how astonishingly opaque every little thing is, like walking along the bottom of a lake of tar.i have the same issues when i try to use windows nowadays, i get frustrated at how hidden and dumbbed down everything is and feel hopeless. when you are used to things being one way them being completely different seems opaque, it is kinda normal, although it is much more normal for a penguin than for a window to be opaque :)
Clearly, from the other side, the response is that I am learning how thoroughly I have utilized (and been dependent on) MicroSoft's hand-holding all these years.
I'm sorry to vent so childishly, but I am frustrated to be so helpless.
file /path/to/file.djvu
Still haven't gotten Audacity to record.Contrary to Leslieann I don't think your recording requirement is at all "advanced" but we're still no closer to knowing if the problem is the "soundcard" or Mint.
Still haven't gotten Audacity to record.Contrary to Leslieann I don't think your recording requirement is at all "advanced" but we're still no closer to knowing if the problem is the "soundcard" or Mint.
Either boot the Manjaro laptop drive or put in the X-Fi.
I made the mistake of thinking about upgrading to an M.2 SSD and within hours had my first problems with my years old Arch install - Firefox repeatedly crashed locking up X when either copying or pasting a few words using right click. Switching to a real terminal and killing Firefox resulted in a strange "black screen of death" with red writing when returning to X but of course being Linux it offered click to recover rather than needing a reboot :Pyeah i loved that "Restart X" there was in IceWM, when something is wrong with the DE no need to reboot the whole system, although i never needed it in Ice, and would have loved it in KDE :)
Doesn't Ctrl-Alt-Backspace do just that, restart X?Yup. I didn't need to though, killing Firefox recovered the rest of the session.
Doesn't Ctrl-Alt-Backspace do just that, restart X?well you taught me something new
While some of this may be a distro issue or drive issue FF has had a bug recently where it just locks up.Oh! The desktop kinda crashed but fully recovered the first couple of times where I killed the Isolated Web Content processes as one was showing high CPU load, since straight killing Firefox it's not happened.
Haven't had it take the desktop with it though.
It may not be a FF bug but a copy paste bug in the OS, or Wayland, hard to say.While some of this may be a distro issue or drive issue FF has had a bug recently where it just locks up.Oh! The desktop kinda crashed but fully recovered the first couple of times where I killed the Isolated Web Content processes as one was showing high CPU load, since straight killing Firefox it's not happened.
Haven't had it take the desktop with it though.
From reading around Wayland is still not compatible with everything and I'm intrigued how long this install can last as it's showing no signs of age related slowdown, it can surely survive until I have to "upgrade" the mobo so may as well leave it for now. Would never have thought such a big bug could make it into Firefox, sad times.
With how many different projects Linux relies on, by so many different people, the fact that Linux even works at all kinda blows my mind.It is impressive, especially when there's at least two of pretty much everything from the lowest level CPU scheduler to GUI toolkits!
I do understand where you are coming from but to me it make sense that it would work, all the projects aim to be Unix/POSIX compatible (at least should), and aim to do one (or a few) thing(s) well, when you have a theoretically infinite number of peoples working on something, that seems like the best way to get anything done :) still impressive thoughWith how many different projects Linux relies on, by so many different people, the fact that Linux even works at all kinda blows my mind.It is impressive, especially when there's at least two of pretty much everything from the lowest level CPU scheduler to GUI toolkits!
Is Vera better than Vanessa, and, more importantly, is it a worthwhile upgrade?
I just build a new PC: AMD 7700X. I installed Debian Bookworm (it's not considered "stable" yet but should be soon, it's in testing but "hard freeze" already, so in Debian's world that means quite stable already). Working flawlessly so far (been using that 7700X since a few days).About 1½ years ago I faced a similar task, building a powerful HTPC: AMD Ryzen 7 3700X. The implementation of this project took almost four months in total, but it paid off, as the energy consumption and its key data were very important to me. Although it wasn't initially clear whether I should choose Linux Mint or Debian, I decided at the last minute in favour of the ingenious compromise LMDE and have not regretted it to this day.