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Title: Displaywriter Layout
Post by: dorkvader on Thu, 26 June 2014, 17:40:24

Hi all,

I recently got my displaywriter working on USB, largely due to Xwhatsit and his patience, now I'm trying to figure out a decent layout for it.

I'm taking all suggestions / layers, ideas, etc. I'm still not sure what I'll do with the nine blank keys.

Below, is the standard layout
(http://i.imgur.com/XpfmXBE.png)

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["", "", {x:16.75},"DEL","MOVE","LINE\nADJ","SPELL"],
["", "", {x:0.5},"°\n±","!\n1","@\n2","#\n3","$\n4","%\n5","¢\n6","&\n7","*\n8","(\n9",")\n0","_\n-","+\n=",{w:1.75},"BKSP",{x:0.25},{w:0.75},"INDEX",{x:0.5},"CHG\nFMT","GET","PAGE\nEND",""],
["", "", {x:0.5},{w:1.5},"Tab","Q","W","E","R","T","Y","U","I","O","P","1/4\n1/2","[\n]",{x:0.25,w:1,h:2,w2:1.25,h2:1,x2:-0.25,y2:0},"RET"],
["REQST", "PRINT", {x:0.5},{w:1.75},"Lock","A","S","D","F","G","H","J","K","L",":\n;","\"\n'","3\n2",{x:2.5},"↑","↓","FIND",""],
["END", "MSG", {x:0.5},{w:1.25},"Shift","¶\n§","Z","X","C","V","B","N","M",",\n,",".\n.","?\n/",{w:2.5},"Shift",{x:1.5},"←","→","GO TO",""],
[{x:5.5},{w:2},"Code",{w:5.5},"",{w:1.25},"ENTER"]
The permalink doesn't appear to be working, but if you paste that into the "raw code" into the keyboard-layout-editor (http://www.keyboard-layout-editor.com/#/), you'll get a standard displaywriter. Please forgive the hack I used to get the "RET" key right, I just messed with it until it worked.

Things to note:
The "LOCK" key to the left of "A" is latching. You press either of the shifts to return it.

Title: Re: Displaywriter Layout
Post by: E TwentyNine on Thu, 26 June 2014, 17:51:34

Do you suppose an inverted T will work for the bottom right?

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["PgUp","↑","PgDn","FIND"],
["←","↓","→","GO TO"]

Title: Re: Displaywriter Layout
Post by: 0100010 on Thu, 26 June 2014, 22:23:04

What about some Sun type keys on the left? http://www.keyboard-layout-editor.com/#/layouts/3dfcae8af388d42f9b502310929a7fea

Title: Re: Displaywriter Layout
Post by: jacobolus on Fri, 27 June 2014, 00:35:08

The permalink thing screwed up because of a bunch of newlines in your "go to" key. I can’t figure out how to properly paste a working one here though, so have it as code:

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http://www.keyboard-layout-editor.com/##@@=&=&_x:16.75%3B&=DEL&=MOVE&=LINE%0AADJ&=SPELL%3B&@=&=&_x:0.5%3B&=°%0A±&=!%0A1&=%2F@%0A2&=%23%0A3&=$%0A4&=%25%0A5&=¢%0A6&=%2F&%0A7&=*%0A8&=(%0A9&=)%0A0&=%2F_%0A-&=+%0A%2F=&_w:1.75%3B&=BKSP&_x:0.25&w:0.75%3B&=INDEX&_x:0.5%3B&=CHG%0AFMT&=GET&=PAGE%0AEND&=%3B&@=&=&_x:0.5&w:1.5%3B&=Tab&=Q&=W&=E&=R&=T&=Y&=U&=I&=O&=P&=1%2F%2F4%0A1%2F%2F2&=%5B%0A%5D&_x:0.25&h:2&h2:1&x2:-0.25%3B&=RET%3B&@=REQST&=PRINT&_x:0.5&w:1.75%3B&=Lock&=A&=S&=D&=F&=G&=H&=J&=K&=L&=%2F:%0A%2F%3B&=%22%0A'&=3%0A2&_x:2.5%3B&=↑&=↓&=FIND&=%3B&@=END&=MSG&_x:0.5&w:1.25%3B&=Shift&=¶%0A§&=Z&=X&=C&=V&=B&=N&=M&=,%0A,&=.%0A.&=%3F%0A%2F%2F&_w:2.5%3B&=Shift&_x:1.5%3B&=←&=→&=GO%0ATO&=%3B&@_x:5.5&w:2%3B&=Code&_w:5.5%3B&=&_w:1.25%3B&=ENTER
Or a saved layout: http://www.keyboard-layout-editor.com/#/layouts/d672094b0798ce7830a6587e68aee1b5

Title: Re: Displaywriter Layout
Post by: dorkvader on Fri, 27 June 2014, 00:51:27

Quote from: jacobolus on Fri, 27 June 2014, 00:35:08

The permalink thing screwed up because of a bunch of newlines in your "go to" key. I can’t figure out how to properly paste a working one here though, so have it as code:

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http://www.keyboard-layout-editor.com/##@@=&=&_x:16.75%3B&=DEL&=MOVE&=LINE%0AADJ&=SPELL%3B&@=&=&_x:0.5%3B&=°%0A±&=!%0A1&=%2F@%0A2&=%23%0A3&=$%0A4&=%25%0A5&=¢%0A6&=%2F&%0A7&=*%0A8&=(%0A9&=)%0A0&=%2F_%0A-&=+%0A%2F=&_w:1.75%3B&=BKSP&_x:0.25&w:0.75%3B&=INDEX&_x:0.5%3B&=CHG%0AFMT&=GET&=PAGE%0AEND&=%3B&@=&=&_x:0.5&w:1.5%3B&=Tab&=Q&=W&=E&=R&=T&=Y&=U&=I&=O&=P&=1%2F%2F4%0A1%2F%2F2&=%5B%0A%5D&_x:0.25&h:2&h2:1&x2:-0.25%3B&=RET%3B&@=REQST&=PRINT&_x:0.5&w:1.75%3B&=Lock&=A&=S&=D&=F&=G&=H&=J&=K&=L&=%2F:%0A%2F%3B&=%22%0A'&=3%0A2&_x:2.5%3B&=↑&=↓&=FIND&=%3B&@=END&=MSG&_x:0.5&w:1.25%3B&=Shift&=¶%0A§&=Z&=X&=C&=V&=B&=N&=M&=,%0A,&=.%0A.&=%3F%0A%2F%2F&_w:2.5%3B&=Shift&_x:1.5%3B&=←&=→&=GO%0ATO&=%3B&@_x:5.5&w:2%3B&=Code&_w:5.5%3B&=&_w:1.25%3B&=ENTER
Or a saved layout: http://www.keyboard-layout-editor.com/#/layouts/d672094b0798ce7830a6587e68aee1b5

It's just "GO TO", the software helpfully split it across two lines instead of cutting it off like it would do for one-line legends without spaces. Strictly speaking "GO\nTO"is incorrect, and I just treated it (as across two lines) as a limitation of the layout program.

Thanks for fixing the link, though.

Quote from: 0100010 on Thu, 26 June 2014, 22:23:04

What about some Sun type keys on the left? http://www.keyboard-layout-editor.com/#/layouts/3dfcae8af388d42f9b502310929a7fea

an excellent idea! I'd rather use the number row as function row (60% style) anyway. I have no need for "props" "again" etc, but I can put things like scroll lock, printscreen, etc. there.

Quote from: E TwentyNine on Thu, 26 June 2014, 17:51:34

Do you suppose an inverted T will work for the bottom right?

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["PgUp","↑","PgDn","FIND"],
["←","↓","→","GO TO"]

I could, but I don't use the arrowkeys to game frequently, so I see it as equivalent to the arrow square that's there now.

Title: Re: Displaywriter Layout
Post by: jacobolus on Fri, 27 June 2014, 00:54:43

just turn the whole right section into a numpad with an awkward gap in it. :p

Title: Re: Displaywriter Layout
Post by: dorkvader on Fri, 27 June 2014, 01:14:23

Quote from: jacobolus on Fri, 27 June 2014, 00:54:43

just turn the whole right section into a numpad with an awkward gap in it. :p

I am more worried about where to put function key, crtl, alt and all that. I only have three keys on the spacebar row, etc.

I was thinking of putting fn where code is and ctrl where "enter" is so they flank the spacebar. Then have alt be on one of the blocks of keys on either the right or left.

Oddly enough, the permalink is still not working, even without the "go to" Here's the code again

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["", "", {x:16.75},"","","",""],
["", "", {x:0.5},"~\n`","!\n1","@\n2","#\n3","$\n4","%\n5","^\n6","&\n7","*\n8","(\n9",")\n0","_\n-","+\n=",{w:1.75},"BKSP",{x:0.25},{w:0.75},"DEL",{x:0.5},"","","",""],
["", "", {x:0.5},{w:1.5},"Tab","Q","W","E","R","T","Y","U","I","O","P","{\n[","}\n]",{x:0.25,w:1,h:2,w2:1.25,h2:1,x2:-0.25,y2:0},"RET"],
["", "", {x:0.5},{w:1.75},"Lock","A","S","D","F","G","H","J","K","L",":\n;","\"\n'","|\n\\",{x:2.5},"↑","↓","",""],
["", "ALT", {x:0.5},{w:1.25},"Shift","","Z","X","C","V","B","N","M","<\n,",">\n.","?\n/",{w:2.5},"Shift",{x:1.5},"←","→","",""],
[{x:5.5},{w:2},"FN1",{w:5.5},"",{w:1.25},"CTRL"](http://i.imgur.com/QoQMMVM.png)
Where to go from here?

Title: Re: Displaywriter Layout
Post by: jacobolus on Fri, 27 June 2014, 01:18:05

Let’s get the color fixed :p

http://www.keyboard-layout-editor.com/#/layouts/963b214a5b59ae5c978fd410447f79f8

(http://i.imgur.com/cfe64Lm.png)

Are the keycaps all the same? Does swapping them around mess the profile up?

Title: Re: Displaywriter Layout
Post by: dorkvader on Fri, 27 June 2014, 01:26:12

Quote from: jacobolus on Fri, 27 June 2014, 01:18:05

Let’s get the color fixed :p

http://www.keyboard-layout-editor.com/#/layouts/963b214a5b59ae5c978fd410447f79f8

Show Image

(http://i.imgur.com/cfe64Lm.png)

Are the keycaps all the same? Does swapping them around mess the profile up?

The ten on the left, and 16 on the right are all the same profile.

as it SHOULD be.

Title: Re: Displaywriter Layout
Post by: Daspartic on Mon, 04 August 2014, 21:34:41

This is how I've got mine setup, but it's still a work in progress.

http://www.keyboard-layout-editor.com/#/layouts/adb63aa58e3bb1d792af8740a5ef51a2

I tried to mimic a standard TKL as much as possible, with the exception of the F keys on the left.  I also added a function key so I could use the right side as a make shift number pad (the keys in red are the ones used with the function key).  I wasn't sure where to place the Fn key, so I decided to place it as close to possible to the number pad so I could access everything with just my right hand, but in practice this is a little awkward, so I might end up placing it somewhere that I could access with my left hand.  My keyboard is also slightly different than the one pictured, it has a different sized return and left shift, but I would've switched the keys next to the return and shift to make it more ansi-like.

I usually have my keyboards set up with the control key next to the "A" key so I can access it in conjunction with the backspace to erase whole words, which comes in real handy for speed typing.  Unfortunately, this isn't possible due to the locking capslock key, so I chose to change the CODE key into control for easier access.

The number lock and scroll lock were also omitted because there would be no real use for either.

Title: Re: Displaywriter Layout
Post by: dorkvader on Mon, 04 August 2014, 22:32:21

ooh you have the one with 2 fewer keys, the huge enter and the "awesome" size leftshift! I had thought that version was less common, but now I think it's about the same.

I was thinking about making the "lock" key be FN lock for dedicated typing on the tenkey, or function layer, but I suppose that depends on what I need.

edit: I prettied it up a bit to match your KB:
http://www.keyboard-layout-editor.com/#/layouts/b6f9cb4d66a323330a8509bc0efe3330

Title: Re: Displaywriter Layout
Post by: Daspartic on Tue, 05 August 2014, 23:13:46

Quote from: dorkvader on Mon, 04 August 2014, 22:32:21

ooh you have the one with 2 fewer keys, the huge enter and the "awesome" size leftshift! I had thought that version was less common, but now I think it's about the same.

I was thinking about making the "lock" key be FN lock for dedicated typing on the tenkey, or function layer, but I suppose that depends on what I need.

edit: I prettied it up a bit to match your KB:
http://www.keyboard-layout-editor.com/#/layouts/b6f9cb4d66a323330a8509bc0efe3330

Thanks for he updated layout Dorkvader.

Wow, that's a great idea to use the lock key as a locking Fn key.  I haven't thought of using it that way and I might have to"borrow" it from ya.  ;D

I'm not sure how common or uncommon the 82 key version is but I've heard it was rarer than the 84 key version.  I could only find one picture of it on Google and I've only seen it mentioned a couple of times on Geekhack.