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Re: CMYW GMK GroupBuy - Shipping from GMK!!
« Reply #1650 on: Fri, 06 February 2015, 20:56:10 »
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Re: CMYW GMK GroupBuy - Shipping from GMK!!
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Re: CMYW GMK GroupBuy - Shipping from GMK!!
« Reply #1652 on: Sat, 07 February 2015, 07:24:15 »
PM'd about address change :)
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Is it too late to join the extras list?  :)
Nope, wrote your name down!


Also, we passed the one year anniversary a few years ago! Here's to hoping this ends soon for all you guys :)

Any chance I could get in on the extras as well? Just bought a GMK Dolch set and would love these for my future build
sure thing boss

would love to get in on the extras as well if possible, mr. nye.

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Re: CMYW GMK GroupBuy - Shipping from GMK!!
« Reply #1653 on: Sat, 07 February 2015, 09:08:54 »
PM'd about address change :)
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Is it too late to join the extras list?  :)
Nope, wrote your name down!


Also, we passed the one year anniversary a few years ago! Here's to hoping this ends soon for all you guys :)

Any chance I could get in on the extras as well? Just bought a GMK Dolch set and would love these for my future build
sure thing boss

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Re: CMYW GMK GroupBuy - Shipping from GMK!!
« Reply #1654 on: Sat, 07 February 2015, 11:31:53 »
Should get to me before next week is over. Expect the first wave of packages to be mailed next weekend :D

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Re: CMYW GMK GroupBuy - Shipping from GMK!!
« Reply #1655 on: Sat, 07 February 2015, 11:33:23 »
Should get to me before next week is over. Expect the first wave of packages to be mailed next weekend :D
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Re: CMYW GMK GroupBuy - Shipping from GMK!!
« Reply #1656 on: Sat, 07 February 2015, 11:33:55 »
Should get to me before next week is over. Expect the first wave of packages to be mailed next weekend :D
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I am excited, these should go good with desko.

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Re: CMYW GMK GroupBuy - Shipping from GMK!!
« Reply #1657 on: Sat, 07 February 2015, 11:55:13 »
PM'd about address change :)
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Is it too late to join the extras list?  :)
Nope, wrote your name down!


Also, we passed the one year anniversary a few years ago! Here's to hoping this ends soon for all you guys :)

Any chance I could get in on the extras as well? Just bought a GMK Dolch set and would love these for my future build
sure thing boss

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Re: CMYW GMK GroupBuy - Shipping from GMK!!
« Reply #1658 on: Sat, 07 February 2015, 13:04:21 »
Should get to me before next week is over. Expect the first wave of packages to be mailed next weekend :D
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I am excited, these should go good with desko.

cmyK goes good with desko,
i searched highand low and am currently using OG desko with a few keys from g80-1800 and cMYK on my lightsaver.

cmyW would go AMAZING with dolch.

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Re: CMYW GMK GroupBuy - Shipping from GMK!!
« Reply #1659 on: Sat, 07 February 2015, 13:12:08 »

Should get to me before next week is over. Expect the first wave of packages to be mailed next weekend :D
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I am excited, these should go good with desko.

cmyK goes good with desko,
i searched highand low and am currently using OG desko with a few keys from g80-1800 and cMYK on my lightsaver.

cmyW would go AMAZING with dolch.
I personally have no issue with the color mismatch for text, but yeah, cmyk would also go better.

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Re: CMYW GMK GroupBuy - Shipping from GMK!!
« Reply #1660 on: Sat, 07 February 2015, 13:21:01 »
Should get to me before next week is over. Expect the first wave of packages to be mailed next weekend :D
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Re: CMYW GMK GroupBuy - Shipping from GMK!!
« Reply #1661 on: Thu, 12 February 2015, 15:46:08 »
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Re: CMYW GMK GroupBuy - Shipping from GMK!!
« Reply #1662 on: Thu, 12 February 2015, 15:52:21 »
Wish I could have got in this DX would look so gewd with hyperfuse

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Re: CMYW GMK GroupBuy - Shipping from GMK!!
« Reply #1663 on: Thu, 12 February 2015, 16:06:24 »
Wish I could have got in this DX would look so gewd with hyperfuse
I can put you down for an extra set if you would like :thumb:

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Re: CMYW GMK GroupBuy - Shipping from GMK!!
« Reply #1664 on: Thu, 12 February 2015, 16:08:52 »
Wish I could have got in this DX would look so gewd with hyperfuse
I can put you down for an extra set if you would like :thumb:

I should already be on the list =)

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Re: CMYW GMK GroupBuy - Shipping from GMK!!
« Reply #1665 on: Thu, 12 February 2015, 16:10:07 »
Wish I could have got in this DX would look so gewd with hyperfuse
I can put you down for an extra set if you would like :thumb:

I should already be on the list =)
Oh yea my bad! Got you down for one

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Re: CMYW GMK GroupBuy - Shipping from GMK!!
« Reply #1666 on: Fri, 13 February 2015, 09:05:59 »
Just wanted to let everyone know that I have not gotten the caps yet and that I'm going away for the weekend, so I won't be online much.

If you need me, send me a pm and I'll try to reply!

edit: also, no updates on shipping. Still says "The international shipment has been processed in the export parcel center"
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Re: CMYW GMK GroupBuy - Shipping from GMK!!
« Reply #1667 on: Fri, 13 February 2015, 09:37:19 »
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I bet Tai-Hao makes CMYK next.

So bill tell us how will you and dubs split your profits on this buy?  (I've heard a few thousand at least.) Shoes? Dyesubs? OG Cherry boards?

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Re: CMYW GMK GroupBuy - Shipping from GMK!!
« Reply #1668 on: Fri, 13 February 2015, 09:48:55 »
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I bet Tai-Hao makes CMYK next.
Ok? If you couldn't tell, that was sarcasm. I think it is sad to see companies ripping off designs done by other people in this community. I was discussing this with Bro last night on Skype if you don't believe me.
So bill tell us how will you and dubs split your profits on this buy?  (I've heard a few thousand at least.) Shoes? Dyesubs? OG Cherry boards?
First off, it really isn't your business. Second, it is nowhere near "a few thousand". Please don't post speculations in this thread.

Seems a little immature for an "Exalted Elder" of this forum to be going around trying to antagonize people. Would you say something like this to other gb runners? I don't think so.
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Re: CMYW GMK GroupBuy - Shipping from GMK!!
« Reply #1669 on: Fri, 13 February 2015, 09:52:38 »
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I bet Tai-Hao makes CMYK next.
Ok? If you couldn't tell, that was sarcasm. I think it is sad to see companies ripping off designs done by other people in this community. I was discussing this with Bro last night on Skype if you don't believe me.
So bill tell us how will you and dubs split your profits on this buy?  (I've heard a few thousand at least.) Shoes? Dyesubs? OG Cherry boards?
First off, it really isn't your business. Second, it is nowhere near "a few thousand". Please don't post speculations in this thread.

Seems a little immature for an "Exalted Elder" of this forum to be going around trying to antagonize people. Would you say something like this to bunny? I don't think so.

Dang it bill I never can tell if your serious or not. I would post a gif but no one ever understands those.

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Re: CMYW GMK GroupBuy - Shipping from GMK!!
« Reply #1670 on: Fri, 13 February 2015, 09:57:18 »
Wish I could have got in this DX would look so gewd with hyperfuse
I can put you down for an extra set if you would like :thumb:

could u confirm that I am also in the "list" of extra's?  :thumb:

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Re: CMYW GMK GroupBuy - Shipping from GMK!!
« Reply #1671 on: Fri, 13 February 2015, 09:58:34 »
Wish I could have got in this DX would look so gewd with hyperfuse
I can put you down for an extra set if you would like :thumb:

could u confirm that I am also in the "list" of extra's?  :thumb:
I have you down for 1 :thumb:

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Re: CMYW GMK GroupBuy - Shipping from GMK!!
« Reply #1672 on: Fri, 13 February 2015, 13:19:08 »
If there's an extras list, I would like to be on it, if possible :D
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Re: CMYW GMK GroupBuy - Shipping from GMK!!
« Reply #1673 on: Fri, 13 February 2015, 14:29:51 »
I would also like to be on the extras list if there's a spot.  :thumb:

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Re: CMYW GMK GroupBuy - Shipping from GMK!!
« Reply #1674 on: Fri, 13 February 2015, 14:40:34 »
I'll add you guys!

There are around 20 people on the list now, so what I'll likely do is put all your usernames into a randomizer and however many extra sets I have will be sold that way!

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Re: CMYW GMK GroupBuy - Shipping from GMK!!
« Reply #1675 on: Fri, 13 February 2015, 14:43:56 »
I'll add you guys!

There are around 20 people on the list now, so what I'll likely do is put all your usernames into a randomizer and however many extra sets I have will be sold that way!

Why not first come first serve?  It seems fair to let the people who asked about extras first be the first to get in on them.

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Re: CMYW GMK GroupBuy - Shipping from GMK!!
« Reply #1676 on: Fri, 13 February 2015, 14:59:10 »

I'll add you guys!

There are around 20 people on the list now, so what I'll likely do is put all your usernames into a randomizer and however many extra sets I have will be sold that way!

Why not first come first serve?  It seems fair to let the people who asked about extras first be the first to get in on them.
Well I was thinking about that, but a number of people have contacted me saying they found geekhack through looking for these caps, and I thought that was pretty cool and figured this would be the most fair way. But, I see what you mean, and I haven't decided yet, just throwing ideas around :D

If I give them out first come first serve, there would be no point in anyone else asking for them since the list is already twice the amount of extra sets I ordered.

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Re: CMYW GMK GroupBuy - Shipping from GMK!!
« Reply #1677 on: Fri, 13 February 2015, 15:06:30 »
But how can it be any other way then "first come"? That would mean that people that got on early on that lost might be left out. I would not understand that way of doing it. Well, I could create 50 accounts and ask to get on that list.

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Re: CMYW GMK GroupBuy - Shipping from GMK!!
« Reply #1678 on: Fri, 13 February 2015, 15:15:45 »
But how can it be any other way then "first come"? That would mean that people that got on early on that lost might be left out. I would not understand that way of doing it. Well, I could create 50 accounts and ask to get on that list.
Well, they are extras, and in theory, if you liked them, you should have gotten them while you could still order. I think random is the most fair way, that way everyone who wants an extra set can get an equal chance, that way people who were here when it ran vs. the people who are newer, both can have an opportunity.

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Re: CMYW GMK GroupBuy - Shipping from GMK!!
« Reply #1679 on: Fri, 13 February 2015, 15:18:26 »
But how can it be any other way then "first come"? That would mean that people that got on early on that lost might be left out. I would not understand that way of doing it. Well, I could create 50 accounts and ask to get on that list.
Well, they are extras, and in theory, if you liked them, you should have gotten them while you could still order. I think random is the most fair way, that way everyone who wants an extra set can get an equal chance, that way people who were here when it ran vs. the people who are newer, both can have an opportunity.

But I assumed, as I'm sure others did, that when they posted in the thread asking for extras, there was some kind of list, and that adding your name would put you "in line" to buy a set, if available.
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Re: CMYW GMK GroupBuy - Shipping from GMK!!
« Reply #1680 on: Fri, 13 February 2015, 15:20:22 »

But how can it be any other way then "first come"? That would mean that people that got on early on that lost might be left out. I would not understand that way of doing it. Well, I could create 50 accounts and ask to get on that list.
Well, they are extras, and in theory, if you liked them, you should have gotten them while you could still order. I think random is the most fair way, that way everyone who wants an extra set can get an equal chance, that way people who were here when it ran vs. the people who are newer, both can have an opportunity.

But I assumed, as I'm sure others did, that when they posted in the thread asking for extras, there was some kind of list, and that adding your name would put you "in line" to buy a set, if available.
Yeah, that's what I also thought, and then I thought how many extras were ordered. I only got a set because someone didn't want theirs anymore, so I took over an order. I guess there are 2 ways to look at how it can be equal. Equal that it was first come first serve, or equal as in everyone gets an equal opportunity.

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« Reply #1681 on: Fri, 13 February 2015, 15:27:26 »
Yeah, that's what I also thought, and then I thought how many extras were ordered. I only got a set because someone didn't want theirs anymore, so I took over an order. I guess there are 2 ways to look at how it can be equal. Equal that it was first come first serve, or equal as in everyone gets an equal opportunity.

Is your set in the raffle pile? :) An unclaimed order would end up in the extra's pile I assume.

Anyway, I might not be wrong to have a raffle, but not being clear from the beginning maybe is. I got an "OK" when asking for an extra set. Now I have a "maybe". Like being downgraded from economy class to the cargo hold on a flight.

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Re: CMYW GMK GroupBuy - Shipping from GMK!!
« Reply #1682 on: Fri, 13 February 2015, 15:28:45 »

But how can it be any other way then "first come"? That would mean that people that got on early on that lost might be left out. I would not understand that way of doing it. Well, I could create 50 accounts and ask to get on that list.
Well, they are extras, and in theory, if you liked them, you should have gotten them while you could still order. I think random is the most fair way, that way everyone who wants an extra set can get an equal chance, that way people who were here when it ran vs. the people who are newer, both can have an opportunity.

But I assumed, as I'm sure others did, that when they posted in the thread asking for extras, there was some kind of list, and that adding your name would put you "in line" to buy a set, if available.
Yeah, that's what I also thought, and then I thought how many extras were ordered. I only got a set because someone didn't want theirs anymore, so I took over an order. I guess there are 2 ways to look at how it can be equal. Equal that it was first come first serve, or equal as in everyone gets an equal opportunity.

If I had been put on a list for extras and someone came in asking to sell their place in the GB to someone, I would have passed on the opportunity, knowing that I'm already getting some of the "extras".  If it had been designated as randomized from the beginning I would agree with your logic, but I don't think that's what most people (if anyone) assumed would happen.

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Re: CMYW GMK GroupBuy - Shipping from GMK!!
« Reply #1683 on: Fri, 13 February 2015, 15:30:12 »
Just to be clear, no one on the extra list is guaranteed a set.

I made the list in case I have extras. Suppose  10 sets are lost in the mail. In that situation I would have to send all the additional sets to those people.

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Re: CMYW GMK GroupBuy - Shipping from GMK!!
« Reply #1684 on: Fri, 13 February 2015, 15:32:34 »
billnye, my set seems to have been lost in the mail.  send tasty CMYW to me now, please.
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« Reply #1685 on: Fri, 13 February 2015, 16:26:40 »
This is just my personal opinion,

As someone on the "extra" list, I think the fairest way is to go the random route. I was not active for the GB, and missed it.  I think that to be given the opportunity to buy a set, is great.  Just because I had my name in the hat before some people on the list, doesn't negate the fact that we are all late to the party and in no way entitles me to a set over someone else in the same position.

Again, just my .02

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Re: CMYW GMK GroupBuy - Shipping from GMK!!
« Reply #1686 on: Fri, 13 February 2015, 16:40:25 »
here's what is happening...

- people who have asked to enter extra list before will be of course in favor of "first come, first served", which in my opinion it's the most right thing to do.
- people who have entered in the end for extra list, will prefer a random selection as they acknowledge this as their only chance of having the set lol (and like someones said, they will create 50 GH account or other method just to cheat it)


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Re: CMYW GMK GroupBuy - Shipping from GMK!!
« Reply #1687 on: Fri, 13 February 2015, 16:43:43 »
OR they can just check the classified in hope of someone who bought a set sells it.

Regardless though, it should be first come first serve. It is not like this is a giveaway.

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« Reply #1688 on: Fri, 13 February 2015, 17:07:35 »
I think I'll go back to first come first serve.

Sorry to upset a few people, I just wanted to throw that idea out there.

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« Reply #1689 on: Fri, 13 February 2015, 17:22:42 »
here's what is happening...

- people who have asked to enter extra list before will be of course in favor of "first come, first served", which in my opinion it's the most right thing to do.
- people who have entered in the end for extra list, will prefer a random selection as they acknowledge this as their only chance of having the set lol (and like someones said, they will create 50 GH account or other method just to cheat it)


I think the multiple account thing was a joke.  I would be surprised if people do that, then again, I'm a relatively new poster around here. I personally, just respected billnye's choice on the matter, since he purchased extras.

I think I'll go back to first come first serve.

Sorry to upset a few people, I just wanted to throw that idea out there.

Thanks bill!

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Re: CMYW GMK GroupBuy - Shipping from GMK!!
« Reply #1690 on: Fri, 13 February 2015, 17:35:09 »
I'll add you guys!

There are around 20 people on the list now, so what I'll likely do is put all your usernames into a randomizer and however many extra sets I have will be sold that way!

20 people???  i'm part of the that list, bill and i really regret not being able to take part in this group buy. i would just like to suggest that all GMK groupbuys should mark up extras so as to not encourage lists like this. i mean 20 people?? that could have been a make or break of a gmk group buy.

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Re: CMYW GMK GroupBuy - Shipping from GMK!!
« Reply #1691 on: Fri, 13 February 2015, 18:39:39 »
20 people???  i'm part of the that list, bill and i really regret not being able to take part in this group buy. i would just like to suggest that all GMK groupbuys should mark up extras so as to not encourage lists like this. i mean 20 people?? that could have been a make or break of a gmk group buy.

We have had this discussion before. It's a very risky idea for the organizer.
It means he has to cover $800 ($40 ? * 20) from his own pocket with no guarantee of getting his money back.
'No Extras' should encourage people to get in on this. Not give the GB organizer an extra headache.

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Re: CMYW GMK GroupBuy - Shipping from GMK!!
« Reply #1692 on: Fri, 13 February 2015, 18:46:03 »
20 people???  i'm part of the that list, bill and i really regret not being able to take part in this group buy. i would just like to suggest that all GMK groupbuys should mark up extras so as to not encourage lists like this. i mean 20 people?? that could have been a make or break of a gmk group buy.
We have had this discussion before. It's a very risky idea for the organizer.
It means he has to cover $800 ($40 ? * 20) from his own pocket with no guarantee of getting his money back.
'No Extras' should encourage people to get in on this. Not give the GB organizer an extra headache.

If you are not there when a ship sails it is your own fault. If you miss your plane you have to pay to have your luggage removed and buy a new ticket. It's only fair.

i think you misunderstood my post. i was not asking organizers to make extras readily available, what i meant is that they should penalize extra buyers (inlcuding myself on this buy) if there are ever some to discourage people from just going this route.

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Re: CMYW GMK GroupBuy - Shipping from GMK!!
« Reply #1693 on: Fri, 13 February 2015, 18:49:31 »
i think you misunderstood my post. i was not asking organizers to make extras readily available, what i meant is that they should penalize extra buyers (inlcuding myself on this buy) if there are ever some to discourage people from just going this route.

In fact, that is exactly what the Vendors who buy these to stock in their stores do. They buy in at the group buy price, so naturally they have to mark them up a bit to cover their overhead, etc. No reason why the GB organizer shouldn't do the same with any extras for sale.
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Re: CMYW GMK GroupBuy - Shipping from GMK!!
« Reply #1694 on: Fri, 13 February 2015, 18:52:45 »
Could do with a community run organisation to buy up extras and sell them on over time at a slight markup for charity/covering running costs. Would help meet moqs.

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Re: CMYW GMK GroupBuy - Shipping from GMK!!
« Reply #1695 on: Fri, 13 February 2015, 18:56:16 »
20 people???  i'm part of the that list, bill and i really regret not being able to take part in this group buy. i would just like to suggest that all GMK groupbuys should mark up extras so as to not encourage lists like this. i mean 20 people?? that could have been a make or break of a gmk group buy.
We have had this discussion before. It's a very risky idea for the organizer.
It means he has to cover $800 ($40 ? * 20) from his own pocket with no guarantee of getting his money back.
'No Extras' should encourage people to get in on this. Not give the GB organizer an extra headache.

If you are not there when a ship sails it is your own fault. If you miss your plane you have to pay to have your luggage removed and buy a new ticket. It's only fair.
I think you misunderstood my post. i was not asking organizers to make extras readily available, what i meant is that they should penalize extra buyers (inlcuding myself on this buy) if there are ever some to discourage people from just going this route.
In that case my apologies. I missed that part.  :blank:

Unless the organizer is a commercial vendor there are usually no extras available.
When I first read your post it reminded me of some of the Reddit comments from the thread SpAmRaY linked to.
That **** makes me angry. Guess I should just shut up for today and go to sleep.  :rolleyes:
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Re: CMYW GMK GroupBuy - Shipping from GMK!!
« Reply #1696 on: Fri, 13 February 2015, 18:59:23 »
One thing that is common for organizers to do is buy up to the next 'tier' or price break level. It can be the same cost to order 300 units as ordering 270 units would be. In that case, there will be some extras, at no fault of the organizer. Also, it is smart to order at least a few extras to cover things that go missing or get damaged in shipping.
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Re: CMYW GMK GroupBuy - Shipping from GMK!!
« Reply #1697 on: Fri, 13 February 2015, 18:59:40 »
Could do with a community run organisation to buy up extras and sell them on over time at a slight markup for charity/covering running costs. Would help meet moqs.
That's what Ivan usually does in his GBs. Ask for a voluntary donation to cover these costs. Still, Even when every buyer of an GMK GB adds $3 it doesn't get you that much as the above example shows. $750 doesn't get you all that many sets like this and full sets can be well over $150 each.
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Re: CMYW GMK GroupBuy - Shipping from GMK!!
« Reply #1698 on: Fri, 13 February 2015, 19:24:47 »
20 people???  i'm part of the that list, bill and i really regret not being able to take part in this group buy. i would just like to suggest that all GMK groupbuys should mark up extras so as to not encourage lists like this. i mean 20 people?? that could have been a make or break of a gmk group buy.
We have had this discussion before. It's a very risky idea for the organizer.
It means he has to cover $800 ($40 ? * 20) from his own pocket with no guarantee of getting his money back.
'No Extras' should encourage people to get in on this. Not give the GB organizer an extra headache.

If you are not there when a ship sails it is your own fault. If you miss your plane you have to pay to have your luggage removed and buy a new ticket. It's only fair.
I think you misunderstood my post. i was not asking organizers to make extras readily available, what i meant is that they should penalize extra buyers (inlcuding myself on this buy) if there are ever some to discourage people from just going this route.
In that case my apologies. I missed that part.  :blank:

Unless the organizer is a commercial vendor there are usually no extras available.
When I first read your post it reminded me of some of the Reddit comments from the thread SpAmRaY linked to.
That **** makes me angry. Guess I should just shut up for today and go to sleep.  :rolleyes:
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all good. i understand that this is a touchy subject. that thread was a good read btw, lmao!

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Re: CMYW GMK GroupBuy - Shipping from GMK!!
« Reply #1699 on: Fri, 13 February 2015, 20:48:17 »
Could do with a community run organisation to buy up extras and sell them on over time at a slight markup for charity/covering running costs. Would help meet moqs.


Hmm, that's not a bad idea actually. After the initial start-up costs, it could be self-sustaining!