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Re: [GB] Filco tenkeyless custom ATmega32u4 controller.
« Reply #450 on: Tue, 06 November 2012, 02:36:49 »
Whoo just got mine today!













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« Reply #451 on: Tue, 06 November 2012, 06:35:35 »
I'm still waiting :))

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Re: [GB] Filco tenkeyless custom ATmega32u4 controller.
« Reply #452 on: Tue, 06 November 2012, 06:40:48 »
I'm still waiting :))

I'm very curious on how this shipment will come out. I definitely never shipped anything anywhere close to Vietnam before. I got one on its way to Indonesia as well =)

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Re: [GB] Filco tenkeyless custom ATmega32u4 controller.
« Reply #453 on: Tue, 06 November 2012, 22:01:53 »
I'm very curious on how this shipment will come out. I definitely never shipped anything anywhere close to Vietnam before. I got one on its way to Indonesia as well =)

yeah, mine! no sight of it yet, though. anyway, before getting my hands dirty with it, is this thing brickproof?
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« Reply #454 on: Tue, 06 November 2012, 22:08:50 »
Been waiting two weeks in the USA

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Re: [GB] Filco tenkeyless custom ATmega32u4 controller.
« Reply #455 on: Tue, 06 November 2012, 22:13:58 »
You are in the NE... wait some more :)
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Re: [GB] Filco tenkeyless custom ATmega32u4 controller.
« Reply #456 on: Wed, 07 November 2012, 10:04:39 »
I'm very curious on how this shipment will come out. I definitely never shipped anything anywhere close to Vietnam before. I got one on its way to Indonesia as well =)

yeah, mine! no sight of it yet, though. anyway, before getting my hands dirty with it, is this thing brickproof?

If you mess something up, you should still be able to get it to connect to a computer by passing a magnet over it (haven't tried, but read it a few times here I think), then you could flash it with the default firmware that bpiphany provided.
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Re: [GB] Filco tenkeyless custom ATmega32u4 controller.
« Reply #457 on: Wed, 07 November 2012, 17:12:04 »
Just got mine.  I was looking at the wiki but I am still not sure as to how to go about programming it.  Can I get a detailed step by step guide?
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Re: [GB] Filco tenkeyless custom ATmega32u4 controller.
« Reply #458 on: Wed, 07 November 2012, 17:13:51 »
'programming it' is a rather wide open question since technically you could write an entirely new firmware from scratch if you wanted to.

What is it you are trying to accomplish?
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Re: [GB] Filco tenkeyless custom ATmega32u4 controller.
« Reply #459 on: Thu, 08 November 2012, 02:24:41 »
'programming it' is a rather wide open question since technically you could write an entirely new firmware from scratch if you wanted to.

What is it you are trying to accomplish?
I haven't started yet, but if anyone feel up to it, please help out on the wiki page =) http://deskthority.net/wiki/AVR-Keyboard

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Re: [GB] Filco tenkeyless custom ATmega32u4 controller.
« Reply #460 on: Thu, 08 November 2012, 23:12:55 »
'programming it' is a rather wide open question since technically you could write an entirely new firmware from scratch if you wanted to.

What is it you are trying to accomplish?

Well I was thinking of disabling the left windows key and switching the caps lock to a third control key.  I was also thinking of having the LEDs alternate lighting up with each keystroke. 

What does everyone else have planned?     
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Re: [GB] Filco tenkeyless custom ATmega32u4 controller.
« Reply #461 on: Thu, 08 November 2012, 23:18:58 »
The major thing I'm hoping to accomplish is turning my caps lock key into a new layer key that converts IJKL into arrow keys with 789UO some configuration of Del, Home, End, PgUp, PgDn. Thus removing the need to ever move my right hand off of home row! It'll be glorious.

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Re: [GB] Filco tenkeyless custom ATmega32u4 controller.
« Reply #462 on: Thu, 08 November 2012, 23:19:06 »
The remapping is dead easy, recompiling afterward is harder.

The LED thing... I'm not even going there until I have my key map stuff solid with layers and other fun stuff.

I added some info to the wiki page bp started at DT re: flashing the firmware, and there's also a version of this on the GH wiki now.  http://wiki.geekhack.org/index.php?title=AVR-Keyboard

bpiphany - how do you want to handle changes to your firmware?  Should people be sending patches?  Is there a road map of stuff that you're already working on (or someone else is?) that will be rolled into the main branch?

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Re: [GB] Filco tenkeyless custom ATmega32u4 controller.
« Reply #463 on: Fri, 09 November 2012, 02:08:11 »
The remapping is dead easy, recompiling afterward is harder.

The LED thing... I'm not even going there until I have my key map stuff solid with layers and other fun stuff.

I added some info to the wiki page bp started at DT re: flashing the firmware, and there's also a version of this on the GH wiki now.  http://wiki.geekhack.org/index.php?title=AVR-Keyboard

bpiphany - how do you want to handle changes to your firmware?  Should people be sending patches?  Is there a road map of stuff that you're already working on (or someone else is?) that will be rolled into the main branch?
Roadmap.. that is software engineering talk. I hate software engineering =P I've been tripping over a "term paper" I need to write for a class on the subject for years now. And that is pretty much all I have left before moving onto my bachelor thesis. So I am designing keyboard PCBs instead =D That course was a joke all the way though. I've never done anything more pointless I think...

But no, I don't really have a plan. Or rather my plan was that other people would take care of the firmware work =D Someone who actually knows about AVR programming. One thing that would be really sweet is a tool that could talk serially with the keyboard updating layout and macros and stuff on the fly. I'm no where near knowing how to accomplish that though. And there are some forks of the firmware already. I haven't looked much at them, but Tranquilite0 for example added layer functionality.

There are also other AVR firmwares that should be fairly "easy" to modify the board parameters on to be usable for this. After you get to know them that is. I haven't looked into any in that great detail.

Thanks for your help on the wiki =)



It would be interesting to know more about the controllers that behave strange. Does the problem occur on other computers as well? Is it limited to some specific OS? I never had any problems myself as far as I can remember. I'm not running the controller myself... But I am using another keyboard with the "same" firmware all the time. Some controllers were not shipped with the very latest firmware either. But if these problems stem from a firmware incompatibility I think it probably lies in the usb_keyboard parts not written by me (not that I am better than that, rather I couldn't possibly have written that myself and have no idea how to debug it either =)

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Re: [GB] Filco tenkeyless custom ATmega32u4 controller.
« Reply #464 on: Fri, 09 November 2012, 15:39:51 »
I'm planning on re-implementing layer support this or next weekend. The firmware hasn't changed much from Teensy-Keyboard to AVR-keyboard so it shouldn't be that hard.

Unfortunately we won't ever get the more fun features such as Media keys, mouse Mouse keys, and NKRO over USB until someone figures out how to modify all of the usb enumeration stuff located in usb_keyboard. Low-level USB stuff is black-magic to me.

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Re: [GB] Filco tenkeyless custom ATmega32u4 controller.
« Reply #465 on: Fri, 09 November 2012, 17:38:12 »
I'm planning on re-implementing layer support this or next weekend. The firmware hasn't changed much from Teensy-Keyboard to AVR-keyboard so it shouldn't be that hard.

Unfortunately we won't ever get the more fun features such as Media keys, mouse Mouse keys, and NKRO over USB until someone figures out how to modify all of the usb enumeration stuff located in usb_keyboard. Low-level USB stuff is black-magic to me.
you might be able to talk to hazu about that as he has all of that in his firmware.

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Re: [GB] Filco tenkeyless custom ATmega32u4 controller.
« Reply #466 on: Fri, 09 November 2012, 17:49:03 »
I am inches away from having Hasu's code working.
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« Reply #467 on: Fri, 09 November 2012, 19:42:41 »
I am inches away from having Hasu's code working.
nice once yo udo think yuo could make a version for the phantom as well?

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Re: [GB] Filco tenkeyless custom ATmega32u4 controller.
« Reply #468 on: Sat, 10 November 2012, 07:06:42 »
got mine today :) thank bpiphany

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Re: [GB] Filco tenkeyless custom ATmega32u4 controller.
« Reply #469 on: Sat, 10 November 2012, 09:25:54 »
just got the package yesterday. unfortunately, the 10μF capacitor came off, and the pins on the sides were bent. no big deal, the pins straightened fine, and I'll try resoldering the capacitor tomorrow. i hope everything else are fine. it was probably not a good idea sending this off using regular mail to Indonesia, they hit it using a stamp!

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capacitor came off:



this is probably what caused the damage:

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Re: [GB] Filco tenkeyless custom ATmega32u4 controller.
« Reply #470 on: Sat, 10 November 2012, 11:02:12 »
Ouch that is some tough treatment... I hope it's ok otherwise. You probably don't even need the capacitor. All my previous keyboard designs have been without one. The Filco controller has one though. So I just put one on there for good measure =) And if you do re-solder it please note that the footprint is mirrored. The black band on the capacitor should be facing towards the atmega!!!

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« Reply #471 on: Sat, 10 November 2012, 11:24:51 »
nice bpiphany your on top of things!

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« Reply #472 on: Sat, 10 November 2012, 12:26:30 »
Mine arrived yesterday, thanks bpiphany!  I didn't have time to install it; I'll do that tomorrow and then start trying to figure out some coding.  I hope I can accomplish my goal and add my favorite features of the poker 2nd layer to my filco! :D

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Re: [GB] Filco tenkeyless custom ATmega32u4 controller.
« Reply #473 on: Sat, 10 November 2012, 18:06:12 »
bpiphany,

Any thoughts on having these made for other keyboards? rosewill rk9000 and CM QFR?

Seems to me that a swede making controllers for a North America only product (rosewill) might be farfetched.
If you would release your schematic, maybe someone else could re-purpose your work for this product.

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« Reply #474 on: Sat, 10 November 2012, 18:13:48 »
I dont think the rosewill has a removable controller...

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Re: [GB] Filco tenkeyless custom ATmega32u4 controller.
« Reply #475 on: Sat, 10 November 2012, 19:15:42 »
I dont think the rosewill has a removable controller...

It does. It's a small daughterboard above the numpad.
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Re: [GB] Filco tenkeyless custom ATmega32u4 controller.
« Reply #476 on: Sat, 10 November 2012, 19:15:59 »
He did release the schematic actually... it's in one of his DT wiki links.
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Re: [GB] Filco tenkeyless custom ATmega32u4 controller.
« Reply #477 on: Sat, 10 November 2012, 22:34:17 »
So I got some of hasu's precious time and he helped me tremendously in getting tmk working with this controller.  Short answer:  works.

There are some interesting limitations that aren't in the documentation that I'd like to work on fixing but I'll let hasu  decide when to push the code to tmk proper in git.
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Re: [GB] Filco tenkeyless custom ATmega32u4 controller.
« Reply #478 on: Sun, 11 November 2012, 00:25:03 »
Ok, so I just finished adding multiple layer support. You can find my fork of bpiphany's source here. Mapping different layers is pretty straightforward, but a few aspects could use an explanation anyway.

Unlike my previous layer implementation, the only place you need to change things is in the layout file (ansi_iso_jis.c for the Filco controller) where you can place the function key(s). I've also implemented the function key in a number of different ways:
KEY_FN_TOGGLE - Press to toggle between layer 0/1
KEY_FN_HOLD - Hold for layer 1, release for layer 0
KEY_FN_SWITCH - Mostly like FN_HOLD, but sends you to layer 8 when pressed, and returns you to the previous layer when released. This was made so that you can get to the KEY_FN_# keys which i placed in layer 8 which will let you switch to layers 0-7. Although you can place KEY_FN_# in any layer though make sure you don't make it so you can get stuck in a layer.

These function key implementations can also be mixed, though I don't really see much reason why.

Have fun!
PS. I haven't tested this on the custom Filco controller, but it works just fine on my Phantom.
PPS. I also added a windows batch file which will do the make clean operation, because I cannot in the life of me make WinAVR's find.exe work properly.

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Re: [GB] Filco tenkeyless custom ATmega32u4 controller.
« Reply #479 on: Sun, 11 November 2012, 01:57:05 »
He did release the schematic actually... it's in one of his DT wiki links.

Thanks. I missed that somehow.

If there are any left for purchase, I would like to order one of these.

Looks like it's a 8x18 matrix.
Does anyone know if the fullsize keyboards use the same size matrix?
My guess is that this controller should work just fine connected to a rosewill board using some of these:
http://www.ebay.com/itm/New-Solderless-Breadboard-Jumper-Cable-Wire-Kit-Qty70-/230877929650?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item35c165a0b2

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Re: [GB] Filco tenkeyless custom ATmega32u4 controller.
« Reply #480 on: Sun, 11 November 2012, 12:32:26 »
Ok, so I just finished adding multiple layer support. You can find my fork of bpiphany's source here. Mapping different layers is pretty straightforward, but a few aspects could use an explanation anyway.

Unlike my previous layer implementation, the only place you need to change things is in the layout file (ansi_iso_jis.c for the Filco controller) where you can place the function key(s). I've also implemented the function key in a number of different ways:
KEY_FN_TOGGLE - Press to toggle between layer 0/1
KEY_FN_HOLD - Hold for layer 1, release for layer 0
KEY_FN_SWITCH - Mostly like FN_HOLD, but sends you to layer 8 when pressed, and returns you to the previous layer when released. This was made so that you can get to the KEY_FN_# keys which i placed in layer 8 which will let you switch to layers 0-7. Although you can place KEY_FN_# in any layer though make sure you don't make it so you can get stuck in a layer.

These function key implementations can also be mixed, though I don't really see much reason why.

Have fun!
PS. I haven't tested this on the custom Filco controller, but it works just fine on my Phantom.
PPS. I also added a windows batch file which will do the make clean operation, because I cannot in the life of me make WinAVR's find.exe work properly.

why don't you just make a two-dimensional array out of the different layouts?
I think that would make it easier.
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Re: [GB] Filco tenkeyless custom ATmega32u4 controller.
« Reply #481 on: Sun, 11 November 2012, 15:11:05 »
Say, hypothetically, you flashed your hid_lib, and now when you plug the keyboard in, all that happens is the LEDs flash on and off really quickly and it appears no inputs are sent.
And that you can't get it to switch into the "I can be flashed" mode by hitting both shift keys?

Any recourse for me to salvage this?

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Re: [GB] Filco tenkeyless custom ATmega32u4 controller.
« Reply #482 on: Sun, 11 November 2012, 15:36:27 »
yeah, get it into the flashing mode by using a magnet.
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Re: [GB] Filco tenkeyless custom ATmega32u4 controller.
« Reply #483 on: Sun, 11 November 2012, 15:42:21 »
yeah, get it into the flashing mode by using a magnet.

Hooray!  Thanks!

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« Reply #484 on: Sun, 11 November 2012, 15:50:29 »
why don't you just make a two-dimensional array out of the different layouts?
I think that would make it easier.
I can see how using a 2D array would have have been an effective way of managing layers, but at the same time it wasn't very hard to implement it the way I did, so I'm not sure how much "easier" it would have been. Regardless, the code works well enough for me.
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Re: [GB] Filco tenkeyless custom ATmega32u4 controller.
« Reply #485 on: Sun, 11 November 2012, 16:01:27 »
hasu's code is awesome and shockingly modular.  You can use the pjrc or lufa backend for USB handling, and at the front end there is converters and KB specific modules.  Gonna clean up the hid_liber section and ask him to push it into the main repo :)

For those that don't know, it's got layers (switchable and Fn style), media keys, switchable NKRO, probably some other stuff I haven't found yet.  :)
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Re: [GB] Filco tenkeyless custom ATmega32u4 controller.
« Reply #486 on: Sun, 11 November 2012, 17:03:44 »
It should have mouse buttons as well as i believe we were talking about that in the DOX thread.

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Re: [GB] Filco tenkeyless custom ATmega32u4 controller.
« Reply #487 on: Sun, 11 November 2012, 17:05:28 »
Hmmmm, keyboard mouse scrolling...
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Re: [GB] Filco tenkeyless custom ATmega32u4 controller.
« Reply #488 on: Mon, 12 November 2012, 20:06:30 »
Okey, hasu has pushed my changes to his main line repo  https://github.com/tmk/tmk_keyboard

If you need any help with this specific controller support (hid_liber), feel free to ping me.  I don't want hasu to get buried as he doesn't even have one of these to test on.
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Re: [GB] Filco tenkeyless custom ATmega32u4 controller.
« Reply #489 on: Mon, 12 November 2012, 22:37:07 »
Ooh, I'd like one if there are leftovers.
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Re: [GB] Filco tenkeyless custom ATmega32u4 controller.
« Reply #490 on: Tue, 13 November 2012, 02:49:13 »
Wednesday is the last day of my three week work period. On Thursday I'm taking a personal day, excavating my belly button and watching season 4 of Merlin =D That leaves 20 days after that to round this business up.

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« Reply #491 on: Tue, 13 November 2012, 04:52:54 »
waiting .... :D

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Re: [GB] Filco tenkeyless custom ATmega32u4 controller.
« Reply #492 on: Tue, 13 November 2012, 07:34:34 »
Three weeks since payment, still waiting...

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Re: [GB] Filco tenkeyless custom ATmega32u4 controller.
« Reply #493 on: Tue, 13 November 2012, 14:19:36 »
@Tranquilite
I tried your layer implementation on the custom Filco controller and it doesn't seem to work. The keyboard is no longer recognized when using the hex file that is generated. There's little that I can offer in terms of debugging info though.
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Re: [GB] Filco tenkeyless custom ATmega32u4 controller.
« Reply #494 on: Tue, 13 November 2012, 14:34:29 »
Three weeks since payment, still waiting...

Vietnam and Indonesia received their controllers. And you can always count on USPS - being slow... Yours was shipped the same day you paid. If it doesn't turn up we will of course work it out. It's probably just homeland security installing their keylogger. You should flash a new firmware when it arrives...
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Re: [GB] Filco tenkeyless custom ATmega32u4 controller.
« Reply #495 on: Tue, 13 November 2012, 19:26:21 »
@Tranquilite
I tried your layer implementation on the custom Filco controller and it doesn't seem to work. The keyboard is no longer recognized when using the hex file that is generated. There's little that I can offer in terms of debugging info though.

That's very strange, it works just fine for my phantom, and I didn't do anything to the hid_liber specific parts of the code except add more layer arrays. I don't own a Filco either, so I really don't have anything to go on at this point.

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Re: [GB] Filco tenkeyless custom ATmega32u4 controller.
« Reply #496 on: Tue, 13 November 2012, 21:08:49 »
It's probably just homeland security installing their keylogger. You should flash a new firmware when it arrives...

If anyone employed by or appointed to the DHS had above a room temperature IQ and by extension had the ability to install a keylogger on it, I might be advise the same. But I guarantee its just customs being slow. Ive had many items coming from overseas enter the country within days of shipment, only to be delayed several weeks before the arrive in my hands.
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Re: [GB] Filco tenkeyless custom ATmega32u4 controller.
« Reply #497 on: Wed, 14 November 2012, 14:13:16 »
Ordered :D
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Re: [GB] Filco tenkeyless custom ATmega32u4 controller.
« Reply #498 on: Wed, 14 November 2012, 16:21:34 »
@Tranquilite
I tried your layer implementation on the custom Filco controller and it doesn't seem to work. The keyboard is no longer recognized when using the hex file that is generated. There's little that I can offer in terms of debugging info though.


That's very strange, it works just fine for my phantom, and I didn't do anything to the hid_liber specific parts of the code except add more layer arrays. I don't own a Filco either, so I really don't have anything to go on at this point.
Ill get to testing for you tranquilite on one of my filcos I hope for the best

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Re: [GB] Filco tenkeyless custom ATmega32u4 controller.
« Reply #499 on: Wed, 14 November 2012, 17:54:42 »
Aaaaaaand paid :D can't wait to get this.
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