the 5$ Fiver art looking very nice
Hopefully this is allowed, but I feel like it would be irresponsible for me not to include all the reason I personally wouldn't support this designer and why I would recommend other don't either.
Hopefully this is allowed, but I feel like it would be irresponsible for me not to include all the reason I personally wouldn't support this designer and why I would recommend other don't either.
do you really think anyone actually gives a damn or will read all of that? the mech keys world orbits around making/buying keyboards and using them, nobody gives a damn about all of these dramatic twists and turns, loser discord sagas that people like you seem to enjoy and come here to post every once in a while. anyone invested in these arguments is either an idiot, has too much time on their hands, or both
just when you think the community can't stoop any lower.. sad that people feel the need to cancel others and can't believe that someone can grow and change. SHAME.
I missed out on the TKL, but the 65 is looking real good. Can't wait to see it.
just when you think the community can't stoop any lower.. sad that people feel the need to cancel others and can't believe that someone can grow and change.
1. Stolen Art from Helheim Designs
Most of the information about this can be found here: https://www.reddit.com/r/MechanicalKeyboards/comments/1aydj36/comment/krwwl8m/?context=3 but the general context is that Angel from Helheim Designs came out with receipts that Streamline had promised not to sell a one off piece with Angel's art on it but ended up doing so. All the DMs between them and between Angel and the person who received the one off board are included in an imgur album on the post. The post also includes examples of Etsy SVGs that were used for the Duality and different protos / commissions after people had reasonably assumed all the art was commissioned in some way and not standard clip art. There is also a channel encouraging AI Art on the server. It seems fair to say it feels like to me that he does not respect artists and has never publicly responded with any supporting information on his end besides a missing context Discord announcement for his own supporters.
2. Mechs and Co Mike
Despite considering himself a savior of the community for calling out Mechs and Co at the beginning of their downfall (paraphrased as the exact quote is more "after all i've done for the community), he both encouraged and allowed the doxxing of Mechs and Co Mike's job and other information. The screenshot of his info is still on the Saevus Lab's discord I believe. His discord in general seems to be a cesspool that encourages inappropriate political discussions and users posting negative things about other members of the community. There is currently still a post at time of post calling Elaine a b****.
3. Zouabi (Fares)
During the issues with Helheim, artisan maker Fares entered the Saevus Labs discord to discuss the situation. The end result was members of the Discord threatening and going through with reporting his artisan designs to the copyright department of Studio Ghibli and other places in hopes of getting the artisan maker in trouble for copyright infringement / fair use.
7. General Attitude
Streamline's general attitude towards disagreement and the community has been generally offputting. There are logs of him talking about people hating on him because he is wealthy and that without him people would be going back to consuming boards with ****ty unoriginal designs. There is a reason that bigger content creators in the community have taken down their Saevus Labs content on Twitch / Youtube.
I'm posting only to hopefully provide some information so people can make informed decisions for themselves. I'm certainly not unbiased in this matter but hopefully I've adequately listed the reasons of how my opinion was led here.
I have always paid all my artists. I understand reading is a bit tricky at times for some. So I would like to call out that it says finalizing art. This is because I am working with two artists simultaneously on custom art to fill the space. Thank you for the interest lil dudes! :thumb:
I'm gonna start with,unless it's actually relevant to fulfilling GBs (for example historical scamming etc), dragging your grievances in a massive wall of text is discourteous and I'd prefer you didn't do this on any thread, it entirely detracts from the intended point of an interest check.1. Stolen Art from Helheim Designs
Most of the information about this can be found here: https://www.reddit.com/r/MechanicalKeyboards/comments/1aydj36/comment/krwwl8m/?context=3 but the general context is that Angel from Helheim Designs came out with receipts that Streamline had promised not to sell a one off piece with Angel's art on it but ended up doing so. All the DMs between them and between Angel and the person who received the one off board are included in an imgur album on the post. The post also includes examples of Etsy SVGs that were used for the Duality and different protos / commissions after people had reasonably assumed all the art was commissioned in some way and not standard clip art. There is also a channel encouraging AI Art on the server. It seems fair to say it feels like to me that he does not respect artists and has never publicly responded with any supporting information on his end besides a missing context Discord announcement for his own supporters.
Even ignoring the fact that the misunderstanding with Helheim was resolved via payment privately, I find the idea that anybody presumes to know where board art comes from to be preposterous.
2. Mechs and Co Mike
Despite considering himself a savior of the community for calling out Mechs and Co at the beginning of their downfall (paraphrased as the exact quote is more "after all i've done for the community), he both encouraged and allowed the doxxing of Mechs and Co Mike's job and other information. The screenshot of his info is still on the Saevus Lab's discord I believe. His discord in general seems to be a cesspool that encourages inappropriate political discussions and users posting negative things about other members of the community. There is currently still a post at time of post calling Elaine a b****.
First of all, in no way did Streamline ever encourage doxxing, all he did was point to publicly available information conerning a scam artist, that doesn't constitute doxxing and calling it so is a ludicrous accusation.
Secondly describing political discussion on a discord server as "inappropriate" is absurd, it's his discord server, you do not enter somebody elses house and dictate what they can or cannot discuss, if you are not interested in such discussion you are entitled to leave said server, entering the discord is not a requirement to purchase any of his products, nor even to contact him, you are simply begruding a man for his interests, which is distasteful.
Thirdly whether somebody who is not streamline or a part of the saevus brand wishes to besmirch a designer is not a reflection on streamline, simply because it is on that discord, Streamline explicitly lets people express their opinions there.
3. Zouabi (Fares)
During the issues with Helheim, artisan maker Fares entered the Saevus Labs discord to discuss the situation. The end result was members of the Discord threatening and going through with reporting his artisan designs to the copyright department of Studio Ghibli and other places in hopes of getting the artisan maker in trouble for copyright infringement / fair use.
This was merely a case of throwing stones in glass houses, it is the height of hypocrisy to accuse a man of misuse of intellectual property when such a person has an entire business based on doing so, Nintendo are extremely explicit with their own copyright policy and anybody is free to read it
7. General Attitude
Streamline's general attitude towards disagreement and the community has been generally offputting. There are logs of him talking about people hating on him because he is wealthy and that without him people would be going back to consuming boards with ****ty unoriginal designs. There is a reason that bigger content creators in the community have taken down their Saevus Labs content on Twitch / Youtube.
I'm posting only to hopefully provide some information so people can make informed decisions for themselves. I'm certainly not unbiased in this matter but hopefully I've adequately listed the reasons of how my opinion was led here.
This is simply cherry picking, anybody that has been in Streamline's discord knows that not only is he extremely responsive to questions, requests for files etc but also that he been exceedingly transparent about the costs and profits involved in every part of the duality TKL GB. When he was beleaguered by nescient users from helheim's community who cane only to deride him, he became somewhat agitated and after hours of this retorted sarcastically. What you're doing is referencing those as if to sum up the man's entire character in a frighteningly dishonest way, it's appaling.
just when you think the community can't stoop any lower.. sad that people feel the need to cancel others and can't believe that someone can grow and change. SHAME.
I missed out on the TKL, but the 65 is looking real good. Can't wait to see it.
The payment was not resolved privately, you're lying. Streamline refunded Angel's GB purchase and that was it.
Allowing people to say hateful things on your server openly and fostering that community is you endorsing it
Getting defensive for getting called out for your actions is not the win you think it is.
You skipped a couple of my points as well because I'm sure it's getting harder and harder to defend.
Saevus currently has many many projects in the works (6+) and the last thing delivered came with the wrong hardware. In response, he had stated that DDS packed the wrong screws. I feel like making sure your board has the right hardware to complete the build is a simple part of qc that just wasn't done. In addition, I know that atleast one of the pcbs included with a ~$2,000 commission sale came with one of those $5 PCBWay test pcbs.
5. Clackbait
Streamline brigaded youtuber Clackbait's discord to rage at both him and another designer over the fact that Clackbait dared to do a build stream for a keyboard that Streamline believed looked too similar to his own design.
6. Giveaway
A member of the community won a giveaway board that Streamline was going to provide for XinXinWong's stream and did not receive it for months after frequent inquiry. They were presented with an option of receiving a completely different keyboard after 1 year of requests and accepted. The board they received from Streamline was dented with no pcb and missing screws.
The payment was not resolved privately, you're lying. Streamline refunded Angel's GB purchase and that was it.
As far as I'm aware it was angel who blocked streamline after the refund, so unless you have evidence to suggest that Angel demanded further monetary reimbursement and was refused I have no reason to accept this line.
Hopefully this is allowed, but I feel like it would be irresponsible for me not to include all the reason I personally wouldn't support this designer and why I would recommend other don't either.
do you really think anyone actually gives a damn or will read all of that? the mech keys world orbits around making/buying keyboards and using them, nobody gives a damn about all of these dramatic twists and turns, loser discord sagas that people like you seem to enjoy and come here to post every once in a while. anyone invested in these arguments is either an idiot, has too much time on their hands, or both
OP, the board looks cool and I'm in for 3 if you use a reputable, actual COMPANY to sell it, if you don't deliver in 120 days I will charge back on the spot. if you use CanonGarage or some other stupid LLC I'm also out, don't listen to the idiots like this neckbeard I just replied too
The payment was not resolved privately, you're lying. Streamline refunded Angel's GB purchase and that was it.
As far as I'm aware it was angel who blocked streamline after the refund, so unless you have evidence to suggest that Angel demanded further monetary reimbursement and was refused I have no reason to accept this line.
Angel requested actual payment and Streamline refused. You think getting a refund for a board you're no longer interested in due to the designer stealing your artwork is equal to fair compensation for your work? :-[
Streamline accidentally sent out the wrong weightit says gullible on the ceiling btw.
This is simply cherry picking, anybody that has been in Streamline's discord knows that not only is he extremely responsive to questions, requests for files etc but also that he been exceedingly transparent about the costs and profits involved in every part of the duality TKL GB. When he was beleaguered by nescient users from helheim's community who cane only to deride him, he became somewhat agitated and after hours of this retorted sarcastically. What you're doing is referencing those as if to sum up the man's entire character in a frighteningly dishonest way, it's appaling.
The payment was not resolved privately, you're lying. Streamline refunded Angel's GB purchase and that was it.
As far as I'm aware it was angel who blocked streamline after the refund, so unless you have evidence to suggest that Angel demanded further monetary reimbursement and was refused I have no reason to accept this line.
Angel requested actual payment and Streamline refused. You think getting a refund for a board you're no longer interested in due to the designer stealing your artwork is equal to fair compensation for your work? :-[
Except you know that that isn't what happened, Streamline accidentally sent out the wrong weight therefore unintentionally using artwork in a way he hadn't paid to do. Angel requested compensation, Streamline obliged this request, and then Angel refused demanding instead a king's ransom. Angel blocked Streamline, Streamline tried to re-open more channels of communication, Angel again refused.
Streamline made an error, owned up to it, proved that it was an accident by demonstrating he did in fact have weights with a different art design already made, and offered monetary reperation for this transgression. The fact you think any of this is tantamount to theft boggles the mind.
More to the point, this was a private dispute between two individuals around art for a completely different product, it's simply irrelevent to this *interest check* about the duality 65, even if you felt the need to bring up contentions around the moral character of streamline you could have some so in a seperate thread with screenshot evidence and linked it here so it could be addressed properly and seperately, instead of dragging this thread into the mud most improperly. The conversation here should be about the product.
The payment was not resolved privately, you're lying. Streamline refunded Angel's GB purchase and that was it.
As far as I'm aware it was angel who blocked streamline after the refund, so unless you have evidence to suggest that Angel demanded further monetary reimbursement and was refused I have no reason to accept this line.
Angel requested actual payment and Streamline refused. You think getting a refund for a board you're no longer interested in due to the designer stealing your artwork is equal to fair compensation for your work? :-[
Except you know that that isn't what happened, Streamline accidentally sent out the wrong weight therefore unintentionally using artwork in a way he hadn't paid to do. Angel requested compensation, Streamline obliged this request, and then Angel refused demanding instead a king's ransom. Angel blocked Streamline, Streamline tried to re-open more channels of communication, Angel again refused.
Streamline made an error, owned up to it, proved that it was an accident by demonstrating he did in fact have weights with a different art design already made, and offered monetary reperation for this transgression. The fact you think any of this is tantamount to theft boggles the mind.
More to the point, this was a private dispute between two individuals around art for a completely different product, it's simply irrelevent to this *interest check* about the duality 65, even if you felt the need to bring up contentions around the moral character of streamline you could have some so in a seperate thread with screenshot evidence and linked it here so it could be addressed properly and seperately, instead of dragging this thread into the mud most improperly. The conversation here should be about the product.
I actually did show the other weights when I got back. My apologies for having an international job. I am actually showing more of them this week if I can get a chance to edit some photos before my next trip on Sunday, but my camera is with a friend shooting a wedding until Friday.
You told me not to speak to you because you were going public. After you made a public mess, I offered to speak with you with everyone on mute to come to a public resolution. You did not want to. You can think that I had a vendetta against you instead of making a simple mistake, while simultaneously paying everyone else for anything they have done for me. Quite nonsensical, but you do whatever makes your little heart feel better.
Hope you find peace because this defamatory stress and anxiety can't be good for your health. Take care young fella.
you do whatever makes your little heart feel better.
Hope you find peace because this defamatory stress and anxiety can't be good for your health. Take care young fella.
Hopefully this is allowed, but I feel like it would be irresponsible for me not to include all the reason I personally wouldn't support this designer and why I would recommend other don't either.
do you really think anyone actually gives a damn or will read all of that? the mech keys world orbits around making/buying keyboards and using them, nobody gives a damn about all of these dramatic twists and turns, loser discord sagas that people like you seem to enjoy and come here to post every once in a while. anyone invested in these arguments is either an idiot, has too much time on their hands, or both
OP, the board looks cool and I'm in for 3 if you use a reputable, actual COMPANY to sell it, if you don't deliver in 120 days I will charge back on the spot. if you use CanonGarage or some other stupid LLC I'm also out, don't listen to the idiots like this neckbeard I just replied too
just when you think the community can't stoop any lower.. sad that people feel the need to cancel others and can't believe that someone can grow and change. SHAME.
I missed out on the TKL, but the 65 is looking real good. Can't wait to see it.
zip his pants up when you're done bro
I think the initial piece of drama is the least concerning. It very well could have been a mistake, and jumping to conclusions hasn’t made the situation better. Personally, if I gave someone a piece of my IP for a personal thing I wouldn’t be too concerned if it was sold off. It’s their personal property at that point and it’s not like it was mass produced. It’s just a very silly thing to be so upset about— especially in a hobby like this. How many designers have used trademarked material for their keycap sets? How many ****ing Eva boards are out there with stolen artwork stamped all over it?
Some of the other stories are more concerning and people are justified in being suspicious. SL does come off as a bit juvenile and seems to be making the situation worse for themselves— but we all kind of do that sometimes. I am not saying that to defend you. You’ve got a lot of work to do to repair your reputation, SL.
As for the board, I don’t like the design as much as the TKL and will probably pass. I’m honestly not into the art style chosen for the weights, and if you’d have omitted those in the first place then none of us would be having this discussion.
loving the 3-post throwaway account meetup tho
3. Zouabi (Fares)
During the issues with Helheim, artisan maker Fares entered the Saevus Labs discord to discuss the situation. The end result was members of the Discord threatening and going through with reporting his artisan designs to the copyright department of Studio Ghibli and other places in hopes of getting the artisan maker in trouble for copyright infringement / fair use.
This was merely a case of throwing stones in glass houses, it is the height of hypocrisy to accuse a man of misuse of intellectual property when such a person has an entire business based on doing so, Nintendo are extremely explicit with their own copyright policy and anybody is free to read it
just when you think the community can't stoop any lower.. sad that people feel the need to cancel others and can't believe that someone can grow and change. SHAME.
I missed out on the TKL, but the 65 is looking real good. Can't wait to see it.
zip his pants up when you're done bro
I applaud the exciting gameplay all around and no i aint ever buying a 65% board
I applaud the exciting gameplay all around and no i aint ever buying a 65% board
What if this board has HHKB option?
loving the 3-post throwaway account meetup tho
This. Part of me wants GH to add profile age restrictions like other forums. "You must be this old to ride this ride". I can't trust a single comment in this thread because every account was made 2 days ago just to stir the pot.
dumbest drama the mk community has ever seen.
loving the 3-post throwaway account meetup tho. imagine brigading on GH lmfao
loving the 3-post throwaway account meetup tho
This. Part of me wants GH to add profile age restrictions like other forums. "You must be this old to ride this ride". I can't trust a single comment in this thread because every account was made 2 days ago just to stir the pot.
Damn shocking, not all of us sit on GH, a lot of us skim the forums logged out and don't engage on here but engage in discord servers. I came to point out that he's working with a scumbag for a collab for the second time that actively steals work from others and has a terrible track record of banning users for criticism, which is ironic because he's being dragged in this thread for the same actions with proof.....
loving the 3-post throwaway account meetup tho
This. Part of me wants GH to add profile age restrictions like other forums. "You must be this old to ride this ride". I can't trust a single comment in this thread because every account was made 2 days ago just to stir the pot.
Damn shocking, not all of us sit on GH, a lot of us skim the forums logged out and don't engage on here but engage in discord servers. I came to point out that he's working with a scumbag for a collab for the second time that actively steals work from others and has a terrible track record of banning users for criticism, which is ironic because he's being dragged in this thread for the same actions with proof.....
My point wasn't to require everyone to post frequently, but add some stop gap to prevent new / alt accounts from flooding a thread. Your account is years old, so this is 100% not aimed at you -- I'm sorry if it felt that way though
Waiting for HelHeim to officially sue Saevus. I love drama.
What will be the layout options for the PCB?