[IC] GMK Café (Group Buy Starts on October 1st!)

[okidna]

I think the mod and accent-colored spacebars are 6.25u and 7.00u, so the only 6.00u spacebars are cream.  Makes sense that one is center-mount and one is offset.

Also, I think the two cream-colored 1Us in the 40s kit are convex.

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You're right, thank you for the corrections.

[BrainBunker]

So I didn't see any renders of the black alphas with anything, so I did a super janky photoshop to see what it would look like. One with the matching black spacebar and one with the accent spacebar. Since I already made it, figured I'd share in case anyone else was wondering. These are NOT OFFICIAL, and I'm not trying to steal anyone's images, just trying to be helpful. Enjoy!

[Paddel06]

So I didn't see any renders of the black alphas with anything, so I did a super janky photoshop to see what it would look like. One with the matching black spacebar and one with the accent spacebar. Since I already made it, figured I'd share in case anyone else was wondering. These are NOT OFFICIAL, and I'm not trying to steal anyone's images, just trying to be helpful. Enjoy!

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Damn, I didn't think it would look this good :O

[nasp]

Not a bad Photoshop job at all! I think the dark alphas are the way to go!

[lush_bunny]

So I didn't see any renders of the black alphas with anything, so I did a super janky photoshop to see what it would look like. One with the matching black spacebar and one with the accent spacebar. Since I already made it, figured I'd share in case anyone else was wondering. These are NOT OFFICIAL, and I'm not trying to steal anyone's images, just trying to be helpful. Enjoy!

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I came buckets

[Namelessi]

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The problem is that GMK's MOQ on child kits is 100.  Unless the set is on Drop, the international kits don't make it - and sometimes they just barely pass MOQ there.  I wish it wasn't like that, but that's where we are.

[ViciousVerbivore]

Coffee is my other big indulgence apart from mechanical keyboards, and I'm super-excited for this set's GB. 

However, I do think that this set may benefit from some restructuring to the kits, mainly because of the following two reasons:
1. Including the basic ISO support in the main kit would likely boost interest among the EU audience (especially since a EU proxy is already confirmed)
2. There already are a significant number of GMK kits with L9-colored alphas, and uniform RAL 8019 for the base kit would make this more unique, and also better represent the coffee theme (Nines, Metropolis and Dots, have all been extremely successful recently with a single base color for alphas and mods)

With the reworked kits, I think there would be wider appeal as more buyers would be able to get in on this unique colorway with the purchase of just one or two kits in most cases (for example, the additional spacebar kit would be required only for functional, and not aesthetic reasons). Of course, how this would affect pricing is not something I can comment on, but I'm hoping the changes would also mean that most people need to spend less overall to achieve the look they're after.

Most significantly, however, since this is an IC for Langelandia's vision, and as there is a possibility that what I'm suggesting may go completely against it, I apologize in advance if this is a completely irrelevant opinion.

So, finally, here's what I think the kits should look like (Please forgive the poor editing skills that I employed on the original kit images from the first post)

[Langelandia]

Coffee is my other big indulgence apart from mechanical keyboards, and I'm super-excited for this set's GB. 

However, I do think that this set may benefit from some restructuring to the kits, mainly because of the following two reasons:
1. Including the basic ISO support in the main kit would likely boost interest among the EU audience (especially since a EU proxy is already confirmed)
2. There already are a significant number of GMK kits with L9-colored alphas, and uniform RAL 8019 for the base kit would make this more unique, and also better represent the coffee theme (Nines, Metropolis and Dots, have all been extremely successful recently with a single base color for alphas and mods)

With the reworked kits, I think there would be wider appeal as more buyers would be able to get in on this unique colorway with the purchase of just one or two kits in most cases (for example, the additional spacebar kit would be required only for functional, and not aesthetic reasons). Of course, how this would affect pricing is not something I can comment on, but I'm hoping the changes would also mean that most people need to spend less overall to achieve the look they're after.

Most significantly, however, since this is an IC for Langelandia's vision, and as there is a possibility that what I'm suggesting may go completely against it, I apologize in advance if this is a completely irrelevant opinion.

So, finally, here's what I think the kits should look like (Please forgive the poor editing skills that I employed on the original kit images from the first post)

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Hey! this is super thought out and intriguing. Let me have a chat or two and marinate on the idea. I'm looking to finalize kits and everything to have a final update on 9.1 and I much appreciate the work on it.

Stay tuned =)

[NoxNoxNox]

Really excited for this set.  Very slick look.   Can't wait.

[1391401]

I mean it's just a copy/rerun of GMK White on Black except you've changed some of the colors.  I'm in anyway.

[Captain Shwah]

I mean it's just a copy/rerun of GMK White on Black except you've changed some of the colors.  I'm in anyway.

What you just described makes this the opposite of a copy or rerun...

[nguyenhimself]

Frankly it makes no sense to me that we remove the numpad keys AND THEN add the ISO ones into the base kit. Seems rather half-ass, if cost-saving is the main goal here.

Either go full typical base kit or remove both numpad + ISO.

Personally, I think making the base kit as cheap as possible is a much more effective way to bring in newcomers to this hobby.

[fleeceman]

Coffee is my other big indulgence apart from mechanical keyboards, and I'm super-excited for this set's GB. 

However, I do think that this set may benefit from some restructuring to the kits, mainly because of the following two reasons:
1. Including the basic ISO support in the main kit would likely boost interest among the EU audience (especially since a EU proxy is already confirmed)
2. There already are a significant number of GMK kits with L9-colored alphas, and uniform RAL 8019 for the base kit would make this more unique, and also better represent the coffee theme (Nines, Metropolis and Dots, have all been extremely successful recently with a single base color for alphas and mods)

With the reworked kits, I think there would be wider appeal as more buyers would be able to get in on this unique colorway with the purchase of just one or two kits in most cases (for example, the additional spacebar kit would be required only for functional, and not aesthetic reasons). Of course, how this would affect pricing is not something I can comment on, but I'm hoping the changes would also mean that most people need to spend less overall to achieve the look they're after.

Most significantly, however, since this is an IC for Langelandia's vision, and as there is a possibility that what I'm suggesting may go completely against it, I apologize in advance if this is a completely irrelevant opinion.

So, finally, here's what I think the kits should look like (Please forgive the poor editing skills that I employed on the original kit images from the first post)

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Hey! this is super thought out and intriguing. Let me have a chat or two and marinate on the idea. I'm looking to finalize kits and everything to have a final update on 9.1 and I much appreciate the work on it.

Stay tuned =)

I very much agree with this. Include iso UK in the base set and I'm all in.

Remove it altogether and it's just another set that I'll sadly have to skip.

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[ninjacore]

Coffee is my other big indulgence apart from mechanical keyboards, and I'm super-excited for this set's GB. 

However, I do think that this set may benefit from some restructuring to the kits, mainly because of the following two reasons:
1. Including the basic ISO support in the main kit would likely boost interest among the EU audience (especially since a EU proxy is already confirmed)
2. There already are a significant number of GMK kits with L9-colored alphas, and uniform RAL 8019 for the base kit would make this more unique, and also better represent the coffee theme (Nines, Metropolis and Dots, have all been extremely successful recently with a single base color for alphas and mods)

With the reworked kits, I think there would be wider appeal as more buyers would be able to get in on this unique colorway with the purchase of just one or two kits in most cases (for example, the additional spacebar kit would be required only for functional, and not aesthetic reasons). Of course, how this would affect pricing is not something I can comment on, but I'm hoping the changes would also mean that most people need to spend less overall to achieve the look they're after.

Most significantly, however, since this is an IC for Langelandia's vision, and as there is a possibility that what I'm suggesting may go completely against it, I apologize in advance if this is a completely irrelevant opinion.

So, finally, here's what I think the kits should look like (Please forgive the poor editing skills that I employed on the original kit images from the first post)

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Hey! this is super thought out and intriguing. Let me have a chat or two and marinate on the idea. I'm looking to finalize kits and everything to have a final update on 9.1 and I much appreciate the work on it.

Stay tuned =)

I very much agree with this. Include iso UK in the base set and I'm all in.

Remove it altogether and it's just another set that I'll sadly have to skip.

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So, you won't buy the set even if ISO is a separate kit?

[fleeceman]

Coffee is my other big indulgence apart from mechanical keyboards, and I'm super-excited for this set's GB. 

However, I do think that this set may benefit from some restructuring to the kits, mainly because of the following two reasons:
1. Including the basic ISO support in the main kit would likely boost interest among the EU audience (especially since a EU proxy is already confirmed)
2. There already are a significant number of GMK kits with L9-colored alphas, and uniform RAL 8019 for the base kit would make this more unique, and also better represent the coffee theme (Nines, Metropolis and Dots, have all been extremely successful recently with a single base color for alphas and mods)

With the reworked kits, I think there would be wider appeal as more buyers would be able to get in on this unique colorway with the purchase of just one or two kits in most cases (for example, the additional spacebar kit would be required only for functional, and not aesthetic reasons). Of course, how this would affect pricing is not something I can comment on, but I'm hoping the changes would also mean that most people need to spend less overall to achieve the look they're after.

Most significantly, however, since this is an IC for Langelandia's vision, and as there is a possibility that what I'm suggesting may go completely against it, I apologize in advance if this is a completely irrelevant opinion.

So, finally, here's what I think the kits should look like (Please forgive the poor editing skills that I employed on the original kit images from the first post)

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Hey! this is super thought out and intriguing. Let me have a chat or two and marinate on the idea. I'm looking to finalize kits and everything to have a final update on 9.1 and I much appreciate the work on it.

Stay tuned =)

I very much agree with this. Include iso UK in the base set and I'm all in.

Remove it altogether and it's just another set that I'll sadly have to skip.

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So, you won't buy the set even if ISO is a separate kit?

I would buy the set still if it's separate, and just pray it will hit MOQ.

I don't agree with making the base set full brown. I like the brown and white base set more and I think most would agree.



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[jonowarren94]

Would love ISO UK in the base, but happy to buy the as is sugar kit too.

Personally I prefer the different coloured alphas and mods in base.

[ninjacore]

I would buy the set still if it's separate, and just pray it will hit MOQ.

I don't agree with making the base set full brown. I like the brown and white base set more and I think most would agree.



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Gotcha. I misread that

I also prefer the contrast of alphas and mods.

[scoopbb]

full brown base kit would be hard pass.

[nguyenhimself]

Eeewwww full brown base kit  Hell no.
Few will want a full brown kit. And any who want a full cream one will just go for GMK Minimal.
I'm still for taking the ISO keys out for maximum buyer appeal.

[lewisflude]

Eeewwww full brown base kit  Hell no.
Few will want a full brown kit. And any who want a full cream one will just go for GMK Minimal.
I'm still for taking the ISO keys out for maximum buyer appeal.

While it’d be nice if this set was purely catered to your specific use case, ISO users do exist! If the extra $4 is too much for you, maybe look for another hobby?

[fleeceman]

Eeewwww full brown base kit  Hell no.
Few will want a full brown kit. And any who want a full cream one will just go for GMK Minimal.
I'm still for taking the ISO keys out for maximum buyer appeal.

There are a whole bunch of people in the MK UK discord server who are in love with this set, but only interested if we can have full UK ISO support.

It's very rare among us in the UK that the overwhelming majority love a set, and I genuinely think you will have a lot of extra base kits sold in the UK if you include UK ISO keys in base. We have actually gone to GMK for quotes on base sets with ISO vs without and it is going to be a roughly $4 difference to the price. That price difference will not sway anyone if they like the colourway and if you think it does, then you do not understand economics and there is no point having this discussion.

For all you who want to educate yourselves (looking at you, nguyenhimself), google inelastic demand.

It would be a huge shame for me, and probably many others, if Cafe went from my favourite set possibly ever to having to skip because no ISO support.

[appaboy]

just putting this in that i would love an all brown kit

[booleanjulien]

just putting this in that i would love an all brown kit

I too, would prefer an all brown kit

[walie]

There are a whole bunch of people in the MK UK discord server who are in love with this set, but only interested if we can have full UK ISO support.

So all 4 of you?

I kid I kid!

[AlcoholEnthusiast]

Eeewwww full brown base kit  Hell no.
Few will want a full brown kit. And any who want a full cream one will just go for GMK Minimal.
I'm still for taking the ISO keys out for maximum buyer appeal.

There are a whole bunch of people in the MK UK discord server who are in love with this set, but only interested if we can have full UK ISO support.

It's very rare among us in the UK that the overwhelming majority love a set, and I genuinely think you will have a lot of extra base kits sold in the UK if you include UK ISO keys in base. We have actually gone to GMK for quotes on base sets with ISO vs without and it is going to be a roughly $4 difference to the price. That price difference will not sway anyone if they like the colourway and if you think it does, then you do not understand economics and there is no point having this discussion.

For all you who want to educate yourselves (looking at you, nguyenhimself), google inelastic demand.

It would be a huge shame for me, and probably many others, if Cafe went from my favourite set possibly ever to having to skip because no ISO support.

There is support though, it's just not in the base kit? Having to buy an extra kit to get compatibility for a minority layout is pretty standard.

[Poesjuh]

I'm totally gonna ignore the full-brown vs brown-white kit discussion but are gonna focus on the kits as proposed in the main post.

I understand that your base kit has multiple novelties and custom colors, but $125 for a stripped down base kit feels fairly expensive to me.
Especially when I would like a numpad or someone would like ISO keys, paying $50.......... (I'm sorry, this is a LOT) extra, makes the set suddenly pretty darn expensive for a full kit.
I'm 100% with Vicious here and highly prefer his suggestion for the kits.

Kits just feel wrong to me how they are right now. Pay for a full-size kit but get a stripped down with a ton of novelties.


Just my 2 cents.

[phinix]

I see it this way - lots of people use 60%, 75% or TKL. They will buy base kit and don't need numpad.
I presume not many or minority of people use full keyboards and if they do, they will buy numpad kit.
Base kit, even having those novelties, looks like covers most of the combinations.
Plus, let's be honest - normally you get novelties as a separate kit, which costs a lot - here you get awesome coffee cups caps in a base kit! Awesome!

I'm not entirely happy to pay $50 for numpad, just to get my ISO UK, but I guess it is a compromise - I will sell numpad to someone who needs it - for example you, if you want it
Numpad kit has 32 caps, $50 that would be $1.56 per cap - ISO I need has 10 caps, so leftover numpad will be $34.

You cannot make everyone happy, as there will always be someone who will want some caps in here, not there etc
These kits should cover majority of needs I believe.

[martensson]

Awesome kit and love the RAMA novelties. I will definitively join this GB!

[fleeceman]

I see it this way - lots of people use 60%, 75% or TKL. They will buy base kit and don't need numpad.
I presume not many or minority of people use full keyboards and if they do, they will buy numpad kit.
Base kit, even having those novelties, looks like covers most of the combinations.
Plus, let's be honest - normally you get novelties as a separate kit, which costs a lot - here you get awesome coffee cups caps in a base kit! Awesome!

I'm not entirely happy to pay $50 for numpad, just to get my ISO UK, but I guess it is a compromise - I will sell numpad to someone who needs it - for example you, if you want it
Numpad kit has 32 caps, $50 that would be $1.56 per cap - ISO I need has 10 caps, so leftover numpad will be $34.

You cannot make everyone happy, as there will always be someone who will want some caps in here, not there etc
These kits should cover majority of needs I believe.

The issue is though that Numpad/ISO may not hit MOQ if it has a MOQ of 250 or something. We can hope but I would like to go back to the days of full comprehensive base kits.

[phinix]

I see it this way - lots of people use 60%, 75% or TKL. They will buy base kit and don't need numpad.
I presume not many or minority of people use full keyboards and if they do, they will buy numpad kit.
Base kit, even having those novelties, looks like covers most of the combinations.
Plus, let's be honest - normally you get novelties as a separate kit, which costs a lot - here you get awesome coffee cups caps in a base kit! Awesome!

I'm not entirely happy to pay $50 for numpad, just to get my ISO UK, but I guess it is a compromise - I will sell numpad to someone who needs it - for example you, if you want it
Numpad kit has 32 caps, $50 that would be $1.56 per cap - ISO I need has 10 caps, so leftover numpad will be $34.

You cannot make everyone happy, as there will always be someone who will want some caps in here, not there etc
These kits should cover majority of needs I believe.

The issue is though that Numpad/ISO may not hit MOQ if it has a MOQ of 250 or something. We can hope but I would like to go back to the days of full comprehensive base kits.

True dat....

Well, I hoping for MOQ 50 for that one

[zantetsuken9000]

Come on Oceania! Please stock this!!

[1023andy]

No Asian vendor yet?

[nguyenhimself]

Eeewwww full brown base kit  Hell no.
Few will want a full brown kit. And any who want a full cream one will just go for GMK Minimal.
I'm still for taking the ISO keys out for maximum buyer appeal.

There are a whole bunch of people in the MK UK discord server who are in love with this set, but only interested if we can have full UK ISO support.

It's very rare among us in the UK that the overwhelming majority love a set, and I genuinely think you will have a lot of extra base kits sold in the UK if you include UK ISO keys in base. We have actually gone to GMK for quotes on base sets with ISO vs without and it is going to be a roughly $4 difference to the price. That price difference will not sway anyone if they like the colourway and if you think it does, then you do not understand economics and there is no point having this discussion.

For all you who want to educate yourselves (looking at you, nguyenhimself), google inelastic demand.

It would be a huge shame for me, and probably many others, if Cafe went from my favourite set possibly ever to having to skip because no ISO support.

You guys keep saying that, but I keep seeing actual sales data like this, and come on man! Even the Forties kit has no problem hitting MOQ.

[Poesjuh]

You're comparing completely different profiles and vendors here. You could say that at least some data... can be taken from those numbers... But generally speaking, EU buyers are not a fan of buying from Drop due to tax/customs/etc. If you're gonna compare something sold on (Mass)drop, at least take a GMK Set like Oblivion V2 for example.

[Bubblegum]

Eeewwww full brown base kit  Hell no.
Few will want a full brown kit. And any who want a full cream one will just go for GMK Minimal.
I'm still for taking the ISO keys out for maximum buyer appeal.

Wouldn't maximum buyer appeal be to include standard physical layout for a not insignificant part of the world?

[fleeceman]

Eeewwww full brown base kit  Hell no.
Few will want a full brown kit. And any who want a full cream one will just go for GMK Minimal.
I'm still for taking the ISO keys out for maximum buyer appeal.

There are a whole bunch of people in the MK UK discord server who are in love with this set, but only interested if we can have full UK ISO support.

It's very rare among us in the UK that the overwhelming majority love a set, and I genuinely think you will have a lot of extra base kits sold in the UK if you include UK ISO keys in base. We have actually gone to GMK for quotes on base sets with ISO vs without and it is going to be a roughly $4 difference to the price. That price difference will not sway anyone if they like the colourway and if you think it does, then you do not understand economics and there is no point having this discussion.

For all you who want to educate yourselves (looking at you, nguyenhimself), google inelastic demand.

It would be a huge shame for me, and probably many others, if Cafe went from my favourite set possibly ever to having to skip because no ISO support.

You guys keep saying that, but I keep seeing actual sales data like this, and come on man! Even the Forties kit has no problem hitting MOQ.

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People always point at Drop data like it is the only vendor in the world and the only place you can get keycaps. As someone else said, we avoid Drop like the plague for a multitude of reasons.

Either way, all the more reason to include ISO in base so you can keep a portion of the community invested. It's a shame seeing people like you who care more about having a few extra dollars than seeing people from the other side of the world enjoying the same hobby as you do.

Edit: Also, MT3 eww, MT3 Serika ewww, Zambumon ewww

[nguyenhimself]

Eeewwww full brown base kit  Hell no.
Few will want a full brown kit. And any who want a full cream one will just go for GMK Minimal.
I'm still for taking the ISO keys out for maximum buyer appeal.

Wouldn't maximum buyer appeal be to include standard physical layout for a not insignificant part of the world?

That’s the point though, right?
You’re saying the EU market is a significant one.
I look at the sales number over the years and rather disagree.

[hottrout]

I love the kit and am happy to have UK ISO supported however it comes.  I would prefer that it was always just part of all base kits as it adds very little to the price of any base kit anyway.

Seeing UK ISO sales numbers for the Serika does not necessarily mean that is the total sales from the UK for caps.  You are assuming that everyone from he UK orders the UK ISO kit every time they order anything.  Not the case.  The figures are low but why not make it mutually inclusive?

[Bubblegum]

Eeewwww full brown base kit  Hell no.
Few will want a full brown kit. And any who want a full cream one will just go for GMK Minimal.
I'm still for taking the ISO keys out for maximum buyer appeal.

Wouldn't maximum buyer appeal be to include standard physical layout for a not insignificant part of the world?

That’s the point though, right?
You’re saying the EU market is a significant one.
I look at the sales number over the years and rather disagree.

It's really hard to decipher how big it is from the sales data though. Not everyone picks up language alpha packs. Many are okay with or simply bound to sticking with physical ISO layout, which is 4 extra keycaps for the GMK base kit (that has for the most part been included prior). Taking anything out of the GMK base kit and making it a child kit makes it far more expensive than if it where to stay in the base. I believe numpads and physical ISO belong in the base kit. It's about having standard 104/105 full keyboard layouts covered in the base kit. I like that GMK base kits are extensive and have support for various layouts even if I don't have any boards that require them. I've never used a 7U spacebar and yet they are always part of the kit. I don't complain about that. I pay for it though. Since group buys are a group effort. Everybody pays for keys we don't use.

Having separate language packs it's perfectly fine, because everybody else shouldn't have to pay for my correct ĹÄÖ alphas. The same thing goes for hiragana, hangul or any other child alpha kit of course. If I'm not interested in it, I don't buy it.

Low sales of correct legend alpha international kits are used as proof of "low EU sales" in general. It's hard being an ISO user in the MK world and I suspect many don't bother because of the constant higher cost, and some probably simply switch to ANSI to make it easier. But this is of course just guessing. The point is we don't know how many ISO buyers or potentinal ones there are. Just that the ANSI custom keycap set buyer base is bigger than the ISO one. But why would you want to make it even more troublesome to get in the door for the Europeans? We already pay more if we want correct legends. Now the trend is heading towards having to pay even more for physical layout. I mean the physical standard for full 105 keyboards that everyone grows up with. Just change to ANSI and adapt is not going to be the solution for someone that wants to get in the door of higher end keycap sets. Try outfitting your retail ISO corsair/razer board (everyone starts somewhere, right?) without 4 keys and it's gonna look very dumb.

Basically ANSI users save a few dollars by separating out the 4 physical ISO keys, but ISO users pay vastly more to add those keys back and in my case skipping those sets entirely. It's smart to add the ISO parts to numpad so they might hit MOQ. But now it's suddenly 175 for a regular base kit (mind you I know novelties are included, so base kit+). How would you feel if the roles were reversed?

In any case I think this is a really nice set and wish the GB runners good luck!

[1023andy]

I wasn't interested in this hobby few years ago so I don't know whether the ISO used to be a part of the base kit in the past. But I haven't seen recent gmk sets that provide iso keys in the base kit. I don't know why so many people demand iso to be in the base kit for this set...

[IOVERCALLHISTIOCYTES]

just looked up the gmk kits I've bought in the last ~7 months. I'm probably forgetting some. Iso inclusion seems mixed, but most have iso in the base set.

gmk eclipse, oblivion r2 (all kits), mizu, skIIdata, metropolis, handarbeit, deep space, peachs n cream, voyage, violet on cream with iso.

striker, minimal, jamon without iso. All had numpads not in the base set.

Am I missing any in the last year that skew the results?

[Tastethesoup]

Regarding the 40s kit, these boards benefit from symmetry. The image of GMK voyage on an ortho board is a great example. It’s in a bunch of signatures and probably helping draw sales.

Something similar could be done with the 40s kit here by replacing the lighter brown Esc and enter keys with light brown coffee bean and mug (r4 1u).  Thoughts? I’ll hang up and listen..

[nasp]

Regarding the 40s kit, these boards benefit from symmetry. The image of GMK voyage on an ortho board is a great example. It’s in a bunch of signatures and probably helping draw sales.

Something similar could be done with the 40s kit here by replacing the lighter brown Esc and enter keys with light brown coffee bean and mug (r4 1u).  Thoughts? I’ll hang up and listen..

Not really sure what signature you are talking about... 
As for your question, all 40's peeps will have already purchased a base kit which includes those novelties so I don't think it's necessary to add those novelties again. But perhaps I misunderstood the question.


Anyway, I'd love to see a r3, 1u Ctrl key in the 40's kit since not everyone uses a r3 Esc or Tab. Thanks for considering!

[dvorcol]

just looked up the gmk kits I've bought in the last ~7 months. I'm probably forgetting some. Iso inclusion seems mixed, but most have iso in the base set.

gmk eclipse, oblivion r2 (all kits), mizu, skIIdata, metropolis, handarbeit, deep space, peachs n cream, voyage, violet on cream with iso.

striker, minimal, jamon without iso. All had numpads not in the base set.

Am I missing any in the last year that skew the results?

Which of these keycaps are required for Base kit to qualify as having ISO support?
  • The set of 4 on the left?
  • The set of 8 on the right?
  • Just the ISO ENTER?
  • Or something else?

[hottrout]

just looked up the gmk kits I've bought in the last ~7 months. I'm probably forgetting some. Iso inclusion seems mixed, but most have iso in the base set.

gmk eclipse, oblivion r2 (all kits), mizu, skIIdata, metropolis, handarbeit, deep space, peachs n cream, voyage, violet on cream with iso.

striker, minimal, jamon without iso. All had numpads not in the base set.

Am I missing any in the last year that skew the results?

Which of these keycaps are required for Base kit to qualify as having ISO support?
  • The set of 4 on the left?
  • The set of 8 on the right?
  • Just the ISO ENTER?
  • Or something else?

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I think it should be the set on the right which covers ISO and the UK amendments.  These few extra key caps would not add much to the base set if added every time.

[eskimojo]

just looked up the gmk kits I've bought in the last ~7 months. I'm probably forgetting some. Iso inclusion seems mixed, but most have iso in the base set.

gmk eclipse, oblivion r2 (all kits), mizu, skIIdata, metropolis, handarbeit, deep space, peachs n cream, voyage, violet on cream with iso.

striker, minimal, jamon without iso. All had numpads not in the base set.

Am I missing any in the last year that skew the results?

Which of these keycaps are required for Base kit to qualify as having ISO support?
  • The set of 4 on the left?
  • The set of 8 on the right?
  • Just the ISO ENTER?
  • Or something else?

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I'm always in favour of full ISO UK (right), but many ISO users are understandably fine with pseudo-ISO-US (left)

[Tastethesoup]

Regarding the 40s kit, these boards benefit from symmetry. The image of GMK voyage on an ortho board is a great example. It’s in a bunch of signatures and probably helping draw sales.

Something similar could be done with the 40s kit here by replacing the lighter brown Esc and enter keys with light brown coffee bean and mug (r4 1u).  Thoughts? I’ll hang up and listen..

Not really sure what signature you are talking about... 
As for your question, all 40's peeps will have already purchased a base kit which includes those novelties so I don't think it's necessary to add those novelties again. But perhaps I misunderstood the question.


Anyway, I'd love to see a r3, 1u Ctrl key in the 40's kit since not everyone uses a r3 Esc or Tab. Thanks for considering!

Right there! There it is again.   
It’s really well done.

I guess what I’m asking is 1u novelities in the cream color. It could be in any kit really; but specifically for 40s users (used in place of raise/lower), it would allow a layout like the one in your sig.

Either way, I’m probably in on this set. Cheers.

[Bubblegum]

just looked up the gmk kits I've bought in the last ~7 months. I'm probably forgetting some. Iso inclusion seems mixed, but most have iso in the base set.

gmk eclipse, oblivion r2 (all kits), mizu, skIIdata, metropolis, handarbeit, deep space, peachs n cream, voyage, violet on cream with iso.

striker, minimal, jamon without iso. All had numpads not in the base set.

Am I missing any in the last year that skew the results?

Which of these keycaps are required for Base kit to qualify as having ISO support?
  • The set of 4 on the left?
  • The set of 8 on the right?
  • Just the ISO ENTER?
  • Or something else?

Show Image

The 4 on the left is enough to physically fit the keys on a board. That should be baseline IMO. With more country specific keys in child kits a la NorDeUK.

[IOVERCALLHISTIOCYTES]

My method was any involvement of Iso coverage. The majority were limited as in the picture on the left. As to what degree relative to the picture above, beats me-this American defers to those who use them.