3 and 2 I mostly agree with... but the layout of HHKB is sort of personal preference. I personally don't like it.
60% boards + numpad is the way to go in regards to #1 IMO. then you get arrow keys + other keys for productivity, and numbers if you are into that.
and you can just put it away if you need the space more. but the main reason I guess is because I have my mouse + kb quite close to one another, and prefer space on the right side of the kb.
so it just feels nicer on the left side.
Artisan keycaps are just plastic at the end of the day -- people often forget that.
- people often forget that.coffee is just bean water. tea is just leaf water
1) I don't like Topre switches. I'll never own a Topre board other than one to tour.novatouch the only? :eek:
OK, I'll just rehash the same things I have been saying on this site:matrix are really nice? how you type on it? your hand straight :rolleyes: i prefer sym sgg for non split
1) Matrix keyboards are fun
2) 1x spacebars are the most space efficient and user friendly
3) relegendables are vital for people who want to try different layouts
4) we need Matrix layout Model Fs
5) Topre is overpriced
6) linear switches are terrible
7) brobots, clacks, gummyrots and whatever weird artisan keycaps are worthless because they bring no utility and interfere with switch actuation
8) expensive Korean customs have no intrinsic superiority to unfashionable keyboard manufacturers
9) that winkeyless layout with 7x spacebar is inferior to a modern layout with win keys and other keys (remember, it is very easy to use autohotkey to map your winkeys to do something else, so why not, that's exactly what I do!)
1) I don't like Topre switches. I'll never own a Topre board other than one to tour.novatouch the only?
g) keyboards are fun and i like them
h) i love all of you
3) I think most artisan caps look like **** but no one wants to be honest and tell the makers to continue improving their designs/processes. People want exclusive **** and are willing to kiss ass to get it.
3) I think most artisan caps look like **** but no one wants to be honest and tell the makers to continue improving their designs/processes. People want exclusive **** and are willing to kiss ass to get it.I think at least with caps like BBs he got it to a point where there weren't any imperfections. That's the main thing I have against CC skulls. Not that I don't think that they're cool lookijg, I just think that he could update the molds every once and a while so there are those obvious imperfections. But I do understand that some cas makers are definitely going for a handmade, artisan feel.
3) Rainbow colored keyboards look cheap and childishyeah, all those colors just kinda looks tacky to me, like no thought was put in to making a sleek or at least original set.
g) keyboards are fun and i like them(http://dailypicksandflicks.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/01/i-bring-you-love-simpsons.jpg)
h) i love all of you
:))
3) Rainbow colored keyboards look cheap and childish
4) Artisan caps, see #3
* ErgoDox is overrated.
* Cherry stabilisers > Costar stabilisers.
9. backlighting is for children
Most people don't know what they like they just go along with the crowd.
Also, I love all of you guys, despite your hatred.
Most people don't know what they like they just go along with the crowd.this is not only in keyboard almost anything :eek:
3. i truly see no point in linear switches, just stick to rubberdome.
Split Microsoft Sculpt keyboard is much better than vast majority of available mechanical keyboards.this is have dual sgg like tipro 122 :eek:
3. i truly see no point in linear switches, just stick to rubberdome.
This is the most cringeworthy post I have read all day. Then I realized demik is trolling everyone.
That's not the split MS Sculpt, although it isn't all that bad either AFAIK. I meant the Microsoft Sculpt Ergonomic Keyboard, which is tenkeyless. It's a pity they apparently don't make a wired version.Split Microsoft Sculpt keyboard is much better than vast majority of available mechanical keyboards.this is have dual sgg like tipro 122 :eek:Show Image(http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/61Ap2l5mxVL._SL1000_.jpg)
10. backslash is part of the alpha set. stop giving it ****ing mod colors. same with 1/esc on 60% boards. this aint 'Nam, THERE ARE RULES..
11. enough with the vomit color schemes
So much hate in this thread. :'( You can like something unpopular too, doesn't always need to be negative. :P
3. i truly see no point in linear switches, just stick to rubberdome.
This is the most cringeworthy post I have read all day. Then I realized demik is trolling everyone.
except, not. at least personally i find linear boring and wouldnt waste money on it.
ssk overrated as ****
ssk overrated as ****
4. I think most ergonomics keyboards are poorly masked snake oil ("natural" typing and posture is completely personal)Like this (http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S016981410400215X)?
Problem: Although alternative keyboards promote safer postures, their implementation is impeded by the initial reduced productivity. The objective of this study was to assess the effect of training on typing efficiency on two ergonomic keyboards (Maltron and Goldtouch).
Method: Thirty volunteers (20 trained and 10 untrained) typed a standardized text on each keyboard. Bilateral wrist motion, overall applied force, surface electromyography (EMG), and typing performance were continuously monitored.
Results: The one-way ANOVA with repeated measures revealed that training decreased the applied force significantly for both Maltron (p<0.031) and Goldtouch (p<0.022). Training affected the typing speed (p<0.027 and p<0.008 for Goldtouch and Maltron, respectively) and error rate (p<0.039 and p<0.007 for Goldtouch and Maltron, respectively). However, training did not influence wrist motion and EMG muscle activity.
Conclusions: Due to the fact that the increase in performance following the training period did not cause higher muscle activity, ergonomic keyboards may constitute a solution for reducing typing related musculoskeletal problems.
3. i truly see no point in linear switches, just stick to rubberdome.
This is the most cringeworthy post I have read all day. Then I realized demik is trolling everyone.
except, not. at least personally i find linear boring and wouldnt waste money on it.Show Image(http://reactiongifs.me/wp-content/uploads/2013/08/ready-to-fight-bruce-lee.gif)
QWERTY character layout is * edit : was * to prevent neighbouring keys being pressed too rapidly in succession and jamming the gravity returned hammers.
Oh wait.. WE DON'T HAVE THESE THINGS ANY MORE. Yet the design has persisted, due to being familiar.
It's not logical, it's not comfortable or ergonomic, it's not even symmetrical or aesthetic.
The ONLY reason to use it is familiarity. When the only reason you still do something a certain way is tradition, it's time to make a change, based on more current requirements.
I think trackpoints should be standard on all keyboards, especially on all laptops.
I believeYes.
You can, can't you? It's implemented in TMK at least IIRC.I think trackpoints should be standard on all keyboards, especially on all laptops.I just wish that I could re-map 2 of my unused keys to left- and right- mouse click.
Yeah, so here's the problem, I just read the article (I have a DeepDyve account) and this particular study is simply about 8h training sessions helping to increase proficiency with the new boards. It's not a study that says it reduces RSI.4. I think most ergonomics keyboards are poorly masked snake oil ("natural" typing and posture is completely personal)Like this (http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S016981410400215X)?QuoteProblem: Although alternative keyboards promote safer postures, their implementation is impeded by the initial reduced productivity. The objective of this study was to assess the effect of training on typing efficiency on two ergonomic keyboards (Maltron and Goldtouch).
Method: Thirty volunteers (20 trained and 10 untrained) typed a standardized text on each keyboard. Bilateral wrist motion, overall applied force, surface electromyography (EMG), and typing performance were continuously monitored.
Results: The one-way ANOVA with repeated measures revealed that training decreased the applied force significantly for both Maltron (p<0.031) and Goldtouch (p<0.022). Training affected the typing speed (p<0.027 and p<0.008 for Goldtouch and Maltron, respectively) and error rate (p<0.039 and p<0.007 for Goldtouch and Maltron, respectively). However, training did not influence wrist motion and EMG muscle activity.
Conclusions: Due to the fact that the increase in performance following the training period did not cause higher muscle activity, ergonomic keyboards may constitute a solution for reducing typing related musculoskeletal problems.
Although previous studies showed an improve-
ment in wrist posture (Hedge and Powers, 1995;
Marklin and Simoneau, 2001; Smith et al., 1998),
forearm pronation (Smith et al., 1998; Zecevic et
al., 2000), and tendon travel (Treaster and Marras,
2000), when typing on ergonomic keyboards
compared to conventional one, the replacement
costs and early decreased performance become
considerations.
* Alps' Black and Cream force curve with its high actuation point and drop is at fault for rubber domes getting popular.Can you explain this one? What do you mean “at fault”? As far as I can tell the “popularity” of rubber dome keyboards in the 90s and after is entirely about (a) low cost, and perhaps (b) quiet sound.
Let's hear them.
I'll start off.
1. I hate 60% boards, and rarely use my Poker 2. The lack of arrow keys kills me, and I can never be productive or get serious work done on one.
2. I think HHKB boards are overrated, and the layout dumber than a Poker. I think custom MX, HHKB layout boards are just as stupid (Viper, Happy).
3. I think Topre is overrated, and lower quality than MX (despite the higher price) as the board tends to get stiffer over time.
It's implemented in TMK at least IIRC.
It's implemented in TMK at least IIRC.
What is TMK?
Making stuff together and off topic are the best subforums.Off topic is the best because it keeps all the garbage and all the most childish forum members away from the other subforums. It’s like a prison or ebola quarantine: no one wants to spend time there, but we’re glad it exists for the sake of public safety.
I just thought of more
1) Mx blue switch is one of the noisiest switch ever. You can never browse at night and the click is very annoying.
2) Anyone typing in any other layout other than qwerty has little too much time on there hands. There is nothing wrong with qwerty
3) I still love my chiclet keyboard on my macbook. I think the macbook has the best chiclet keyboard.
4) Flipped spacebars look silly and does not assist your typing nor is it more "ergonomic".
5) Linear switches are a complete waste of money. you might as well buy a 6yr old rubber dome.
6) Anyone with more than 5 clacks has a hoarding problem and should give me one right away
5. Candy Corn is the worst color scheme ever.
8. Also, according to this thread I am one of the few people who think linear switches are amazing.
To which I raise you Carpal tunnel syndrome due to keyboarding and mouse tasks: a review (http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0169814102001804) which has in its conclusion:QuoteAlthough previous studies showed an improve-
ment in wrist posture (Hedge and Powers, 1995;
Marklin and Simoneau, 2001; Smith et al., 1998),
forearm pronation (Smith et al., 1998; Zecevic et
al., 2000), and tendon travel (Treaster and Marras,
2000), when typing on ergonomic keyboards
compared to conventional one, the replacement
costs and early decreased performance become
considerations.
Although there is strong evidence of a causal relation between keyboarding and pointing devices on the one hand and CTS occurrence on the other, the role of every single design element is not known. Once these answers are provided, the primary aim of the environmental changes will certainly be the reduction of the risk factors regardless of the associated financial costs as these are going to be one-time expenditures.
No one has shown the link of wrist position etc. to RSI/CTS.I’ll grant you that most studies about keyboard ergonomics are crap: small sample sizes and selection biases in typists studied, insufficient training time, short study times, poorly controlled confounding factors, etc. etc.
yeah i don't like SA either.
i tried the filco sphericals and had to remove them, because i started having wrist pains due to the unnatural angle, because the caps are too damn high :)
a wrist rest partially alleviates this, but it's just additional clutter on the table i don't really need, so i'll stick to my cherry profile thick PBT caps without the need of a wristrest.
So much hate in this thread. :'( You can like something unpopular too, doesn't always need to be negative. :P
I guess my unpopular opinion is that I LOVE all sorts of keyboards. I may love some more than others, but there isn't much that I don't like.
You should raise your wrists off the desk when typing.
I would rather use plastic cases than low profile metal cases. They are hideousblasphemy
Again, have to disagree. Consistently using muscles and tendons to support wrists and arms (on top of the flexing involved with typing), will lead to RSI much faster than comfortably resting them on a desk or wrist rest in which you're only primarily moving your fingers.Your chair is too low and/or your desk is too high.
Again, have to disagree. Consistently using muscles and tendons to support wrists and arms (on top of the flexing involved with typing), will lead to RSI much faster than comfortably resting them on a desk or wrist rest in which you're only primarily moving your fingers.Your chair is too low and/or your desk is too high.
Again, have to disagree. Consistently using muscles and tendons to support wrists and arms (on top of the flexing involved with typing), will lead to RSI much faster than comfortably resting them on a desk or wrist rest in which you're only primarily moving your fingers.
Your chair is too low and/or your desk is too high.
? Arms are at 90 degrees.If you’re resting your palms on your desk while typing, then either you’re putting incredible strain on your wrists, or your desk/chair are at a bad height, or both.
I meant popular among manufacturers, sorry.* Alps' Black and Cream force curve with its high actuation point and drop is at fault for rubber domes getting popular.Can you explain this one? What do you mean “at fault”? As far as I can tell the “popularity” of rubber dome keyboards in the 90s and after is entirely about (a) low cost, and perhaps (b) quiet sound.
"Hey, this cheaper switch feels just like the more expensive Alps switch. It is cheaper and good enough. Let's use it."I guarantee you that whatever people inside HP, IBM, Dell, etc. etc. decided to start shipping rubber domes with their keyboards did not have the feel of black Alps switches anywhere near their decision process.
FWIW, I don’t especially like rubber domes, and I also don’t especially like black Alps switches, but IMO they don’t feel remotely similar to each-other.Ok, maybe not Black Alps, but Cream Alps have been mistaken for better rubber domes many times ... and Black Alps have a somewhat similar force curve.
I think you’re projecting. Along the lines of: “Here’s this thing I don’t like, and here’s this other thing I don’t like. They must be the same.”That's your opinion. :-þ
...
Standard QWERTY layout keyboards in general - horizontal stagger design is to allow levers to reach the hammer mechanism. QWERTY character layout is to prevent neighbouring keys being pressed too rapidly in succession and jamming the gravity returned hammers.... Oh wait.. WE DON'T HAVE THESE THINGS ANY MORE. Yet the design has persisted, due to being familiar. It's not logical, it's not comfortable or ergonomic, it's not even symmetrical or aesthetic. The ONLY reason to use it is familiarity. When the only reason you still do something a certain way is tradition, it's time to make a change, based on more current requirements.
Ok, maybe not Black Alps, but Cream Alps have been mistaken for better rubber domes many times ...I can definitely imagine that as a quick first impression, since they have a springy/mushy stroke bottom. I think it’d be hard to sustain that impression after a few minutes of use.
8. Reversed spacebars look and feel like ****well now hold on lets not get carried away. Some of us prefer not to have the sharp edge of the spacebar digging into our thumb
One of the most fun threads I've read, glad that my unpopular opinions maybe aren't that unpopular. Mine. Hope no one takes offense :PJudging from your criteria, I’m guessing you use a Cherry G80-3850 with the LEDs removed and the logo painted over. Nailed to a block of wood to avoid too low a profile.
1. OEM profile fells and looks like ****. [...]
2. SA the same way is horrendeous. [...]
3. ISO is much more beautiful than ANSI, [...]
4. Browns is the best popular switch [...]
7. IBMs and those old boards are way too loud and look like dog****.
14. DSA feels like **** and is super ugly,
15. Boards with bright colors or a lot of different colors are ugly
16. Backlit is for 12 year olds.
17. Low profile cases are ugly
18. Using a standalone numpad with your keyboard is super uncomfortable and ugly.
20. Blank keycaps are pretty ugly
21. Any logo on a keyboard looks bad.
22. Extra spacing between number and function row is disgusting.
One of the most fun threads I've read, glad that my unpopular opinions maybe aren't that unpopular. Mine. Hope no one takes offense :P
1. OEM profile fells and looks like ****. I'd rather take a rubber dome with cherry profile than a mech with oem. Don't know how people can get into mechs when OEM are on most boards, If I weren't such a nerd and into researching things I wouldn't have tried cherry profile and would've just judge mechs as ****.
2. SA the same way is horrendeous. The angle is extreme and it looks so, so bad.
3. ISO is much more beautiful than ANSI, I used to despise the look of ANSI but I'm coming around as I get used to it.
4. Browns is the best popular switch
5. Red feels heavier than browns. It is too heavy as and so is everything above.
6. Blues are way too loud and obnoxious. People thinking that anyone would put up with that are insensitive. Any mech without o-rings is also too loud in most settings.
7. Buckling spring as well, IBMs and those old boards are way too loud and look like dog****.
8. Reversed spacebars look and feel like ****
9. Using a mech without a wrist rest is impossible
10. Using a keyboard without the stands up is impossible
11. 4mm is too much, I use about 1.2mm dental bands for cherry and it's perfect. 1.5mm for oem.
12. Clack sound is annoying and cheap sounding. A mech clacking sounds cheaper than a rubber dome being pressed.
13. Click clacks, brobots and all those ornaments on boards look like ****. What are you guys 12 year olds?
14. DSA feels like **** and is super ugly, the angle on it feels like it's against you, instead of a embracing cup, also the keys aren't angled towards you in different ways with different rows.
15. Boards with bright colors or a lot of different colors are ugly
16. Backlit is for 12 year olds.
17. Low profile cases are ugly
18. Using a standalone numpad with your keyboard is super uncomfortable and ugly.
19. Matias alps looks and sounds like ****. Alps also sound like ****.
20. Blank keycaps are pretty ugly
21. Any logo on a keyboard looks bad.
22. Extra spacing between number and function row is disgusting.
One of the most fun threads I've read, glad that my unpopular opinions maybe aren't that unpopular. Mine. Hope no one takes offense :P
1. OEM profile fells and looks like ****. I'd rather take a rubber dome with cherry profile than a mech with oem. Don't know how people can get into mechs when OEM are on most boards, If I weren't such a nerd and into researching things I wouldn't have tried cherry profile and would've just judge mechs as ****.
2. SA the same way is horrendeous. The angle is extreme and it looks so, so bad.
3. ISO is much more beautiful than ANSI, I used to despise the look of ANSI but I'm coming around as I get used to it.
4. Browns is the best popular switch
5. Red feels heavier than browns. It is too heavy as and so is everything above.
6. Blues are way too loud and obnoxious. People thinking that anyone would put up with that are insensitive. Any mech without o-rings is also too loud in most settings.
7. Buckling spring as well, IBMs and those old boards are way too loud and look like dog****.
8. Reversed spacebars look and feel like ****
9. Using a mech without a wrist rest is impossible
10. Using a keyboard without the stands up is impossible
11. 4mm is too much, I use about 1.2mm dental bands for cherry and it's perfect. 1.5mm for oem.
12. Clack sound is annoying and cheap sounding. A mech clacking sounds cheaper than a rubber dome being pressed.
13. Click clacks, brobots and all those ornaments on boards look like ****. What are you guys 12 year olds?
14. DSA feels like **** and is super ugly, the angle on it feels like it's against you, instead of a embracing cup, also the keys aren't angled towards you in different ways with different rows.
15. Boards with bright colors or a lot of different colors are ugly
16. Backlit is for 12 year olds.
17. Low profile cases are ugly
18. Using a standalone numpad with your keyboard is super uncomfortable and ugly.
19. Matias alps looks and sounds like ****. Alps also sound like ****.
20. Blank keycaps are pretty ugly
21. Any logo on a keyboard looks bad.
22. Extra spacing between number and function row is disgusting.
3. i truly see no point in linear switches, just stick to rubberdome.
This is the most cringeworthy post I have read all day. Then I realized demik is trolling everyone.
Wow, there's a lot of distaste for linear switches around here. :confused:
Me too! How are you liking the v60 with Matias switches??Wow, there's a lot of distaste for linear switches around here. :confused:
I'm OK with them. Looking forward to trying Matias new dampened linear Alps coming out in January.
Thats a thing? Link! I suddenly want a matias keyboard.Wow, there's a lot of distaste for linear switches around here. :confused:
I'm OK with them. Looking forward to trying Matias new dampened linear Alps coming out in January.
Me too! How are you liking the v60 with Matias switches??Wow, there's a lot of distaste for linear switches around here. :confused:
I'm OK with them. Looking forward to trying Matias new dampened linear Alps coming out in January.
One of the most fun threads I've read, glad that my unpopular opinions maybe aren't that unpopular. Mine. Hope no one takes offense :P
1. OEM profile fells and looks like ****. I'd rather take a rubber dome with cherry profile than a mech with oem. Don't know how people can get into mechs when OEM are on most boards, If I weren't such a nerd and into researching things I wouldn't have tried cherry profile and would've just judge mechs as ****.
2. SA the same way is horrendeous. The angle is extreme and it looks so, so bad.
3. ISO is much more beautiful than ANSI, I used to despise the look of ANSI but I'm coming around as I get used to it.
4. Browns is the best popular switch
5. Red feels heavier than browns. It is too heavy as and so is everything above.
6. Blues are way too loud and obnoxious. People thinking that anyone would put up with that are insensitive. Any mech without o-rings is also too loud in most settings.
7. Buckling spring as well, IBMs and those old boards are way too loud and look like dog****.
8. Reversed spacebars look and feel like ****
9. Using a mech without a wrist rest is impossible
10. Using a keyboard without the stands up is impossible
11. 4mm is too much, I use about 1.2mm dental bands for cherry and it's perfect. 1.5mm for oem.
12. Clack sound is annoying and cheap sounding. A mech clacking sounds cheaper than a rubber dome being pressed.
13. Click clacks, brobots and all those ornaments on boards look like ****. What are you guys 12 year olds?
14. DSA feels like **** and is super ugly, the angle on it feels like it's against you, instead of a embracing cup, also the keys aren't angled towards you in different ways with different rows.
15. Boards with bright colors or a lot of different colors are ugly
16. Backlit is for 12 year olds.
17. Low profile cases are ugly
18. Using a standalone numpad with your keyboard is super uncomfortable and ugly.
19. Matias alps looks and sounds like ****. Alps also sound like ****.
20. Blank keycaps are pretty ugly
21. Any logo on a keyboard looks bad.
22. Extra spacing between number and function row is disgusting.
5. Artisan keycap on esc looks fine. but i think filling the whole F-row with artisan keycaps is ugly.These aren’t unpopular opinions. :P
6. I think spacebar should be separated into two, just like the G80-5000.
9. I think putting grave accent key and backslash should be in alpha keys color.
10. I think F5-F8 should be in alpha keys color too.
11. I modifiers keys in grey is much better than legend color.
12. I don't like miami keycaps.
One of the most fun threads I've read, glad that my unpopular opinions maybe aren't that unpopular. Mine. Hope no one takes offense :PJudging from your criteria, I’m guessing you use a Cherry G80-3850 with the LEDs removed and the logo painted over. Nailed to a block of wood to avoid too low a profile.
1. OEM profile fells and looks like ****. [...]
2. SA the same way is horrendeous. [...]
3. ISO is much more beautiful than ANSI, [...]
4. Browns is the best popular switch [...]
7. IBMs and those old boards are way too loud and look like dog****.
14. DSA feels like **** and is super ugly,
15. Boards with bright colors or a lot of different colors are ugly
16. Backlit is for 12 year olds.
17. Low profile cases are ugly
18. Using a standalone numpad with your keyboard is super uncomfortable and ugly.
20. Blank keycaps are pretty ugly
21. Any logo on a keyboard looks bad.
22. Extra spacing between number and function row is disgusting.
But seriously, I’m really not sure there are any keyboards you’d be satisfied with, if you need all of:
No colors anywhere, no backlight, ISO layout, no logos, included numpad, no extra space below the F keys, tall and steeply angled keyboard with wrist rest, low-profile cylindrical keycaps.
Maybe the Sun Type 4 would work for you?Show Image(http://homepage1.nifty.com/y-osumi/parts/keyboard/sun/sun_type4.jpg)
Oh wait, I figured it out:Show Image(http://adlib.blogs.com/andyblog/images/IMG_0019_1.jpg)Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/hPN0dCH.jpg)
One of the most fun threads I've read, glad that my unpopular opinions maybe aren't that unpopular. Mine. Hope no one takes offense :P
1. OEM profile fells and looks like ****. I'd rather take a rubber dome with cherry profile than a mech with oem. Don't know how people can get into mechs when OEM are on most boards, If I weren't such a nerd and into researching things I wouldn't have tried cherry profile and would've just judge mechs as ****.
2. SA the same way is horrendeous. The angle is extreme and it looks so, so bad.
3. ISO is much more beautiful than ANSI, I used to despise the look of ANSI but I'm coming around as I get used to it.
4. Browns is the best popular switch
5. Red feels heavier than browns. It is too heavy as and so is everything above.
6. Blues are way too loud and obnoxious. People thinking that anyone would put up with that are insensitive. Any mech without o-rings is also too loud in most settings.
7. Buckling spring as well, IBMs and those old boards are way too loud and look like dog****.
8. Reversed spacebars look and feel like ****
9. Using a mech without a wrist rest is impossible
10. Using a keyboard without the stands up is impossible
11. 4mm is too much, I use about 1.2mm dental bands for cherry and it's perfect. 1.5mm for oem.
12. Clack sound is annoying and cheap sounding. A mech clacking sounds cheaper than a rubber dome being pressed.
13. Click clacks, brobots and all those ornaments on boards look like ****. What are you guys 12 year olds?
14. DSA feels like **** and is super ugly, the angle on it feels like it's against you, instead of a embracing cup, also the keys aren't angled towards you in different ways with different rows.
15. Boards with bright colors or a lot of different colors are ugly
16. Backlit is for 12 year olds.
17. Low profile cases are ugly
18. Using a standalone numpad with your keyboard is super uncomfortable and ugly.
19. Matias alps looks and sounds like ****. Alps also sound like ****.
20. Blank keycaps are pretty ugly
21. Any logo on a keyboard looks bad.
22. Extra spacing between number and function row is disgusting.
What profile do you like? DCS?
Wow, there's a lot of distaste for linear switches around here. :confused:
(5) A solenoid for audio/tactile feedback at switch actuation. This one is absolutely crucial for me. Linear switches with no feedback are just no fun to type on, but add a big loud solenoid, especially in a sturdy metal/wood case, and BAM, the fun is back.i think beam spring have selenoid
I suspect the proper type of tactile/clicky switch would be better for playing video games than a linear switch; for example, I think Alps plate spring switches would probably be quite effective. Then again, I don’t play video games, so maybe I’m not an effective judge.
People don’t like typing on linear switches because tactile and audio feedback are incredibly helpful when typing (or doing anything else with a keyboard, frankly).
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I suspect the proper type of tactile/clicky switch would be better for playing video games than a linear switch; for example, I think Alps plate spring switches would probably be quite effective. Then again, I don’t play video games, so maybe I’m not an effective judge.
13. Keyboards with more than three radically different colors (other than RGB mods) look stupid and need to go back to the 80's.Nooooo!!! I don't want RGB backlighting on my Model M!
People don’t like typing on linear switches because tactile and audio feedback are incredibly helpful when typing (or doing anything else with a keyboard, frankly).
Personally I would be willing to type on linear switches, part of the time (not all the time), if the following conditions were met:
(1) relatively high actuation point – Cherry MX is a bit too low for me; on the other hand, total travel distance isn’t all that important in a linear switch, anything from 2.5–5mm is fine.
(2) the right amount of force required; with Cherry MX, this means swapping in aftermarket “korean” 62–67g springs, or possibly the springs from MX clear switches. Green Alps and white Hi-Tek “space invaders” are both pretty good, as are some tee mount Alps, and some of the linear switches from the 60s–70s (though I find many others to be too stiff).
(3) very smooth action: this takes either high quality plastics and and effective manufacturing process on the slider/housing surfaces, or a bunch of lubricant, or ideally both; among MX switches, the “vintage” type are okay, but the modern ones are unpleasantly scratchy
(4) great response to off-axis keypresses, with smooth action when pressed at any angle, and no wobble. Both MX and Alps switches are weak here, and I suspect Matias’s linear switches will be even weaker; space invaders are better, and I’m also partial to SMK “monterey” switches with the click leaves removed. The “super Alps” keyboard HaaTa has is probably the best example http://deskthority.net/wiki/Alps_Magnetic_Reed. I don’t have enough experience with various other vintage linear switches to judge all the rest. Lubricant helps improve this for most linear switches.
(5) A solenoid for audio/tactile feedback at switch actuation. This one is absolutely crucial for me. Linear switches with no feedback are just no fun to type on, but add a big loud solenoid, especially in a sturdy metal/wood case, and BAM, the fun is back.
I suspect the proper type of tactile/clicky switch would be better for playing video games than a linear switch; for example, I think Alps plate spring switches would probably be quite effective. Then again, I don’t play video games, so maybe I’m not an effective judge.
13. Keyboards with more than three radically different colors (other than RGB mods) look stupid and need to go back to the 80's.Nooooo!!! I don't want RGB backlighting on my Model M!
KAILH SWITCHES ARE ACTUALLY REALLY GOOD
2.25 Lshift is blasphemy so is 2.75 Rshift
1.25 is just the best , additional key on pratical position . That's why ISO is superior to ANSI .2.25 Lshift is blasphemy so is 2.75 Rshift
What about 1.25 left shift?
1.25 [left shift] is just the best , additional key on pratical position . That's why ISO is superior to ANSI .Except if your hands are smaller than average, then the left shift becomes quite hard to reach. (For instance, my wife finds the ANSI right shift essentially unusable; on ISO both shift keys are unusable for her.)
wtf ameri***s.I know this is the “unpopular opinions” thread, but can you keep this kind of crassness confined to 4chan? Thanks.
6. clipping stabs is a placebo
1.25 [left shift] is just the best , additional key on pratical position . That's why ISO is superior to ANSI .Except if your hands are smaller than average, then the left shift becomes quite hard to reach. (For instance, my wife finds the ANSI right shift essentially unusable; on ISO both shift keys are unusable for her.)
That's quite an assumption about ones typing technique.1.25 [left shift] is just the best , additional key on pratical position . That's why ISO is superior to ANSI .Except if your hands are smaller than average, then the left shift becomes quite hard to reach. (For instance, my wife finds the ANSI right shift essentially unusable; on ISO both shift keys are unusable for her.)
if you're shorter than 6ft, you will pretty much hit the ansi lshift on the right side. aka you will completely miss it on iso.
the position should be REVERSED. 1x key, 1.25x lshift key.
iso is stupid.
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1x key + 1.25 lshift make sense . Just like the 1.25 Rshift + 1x key . And it would be a great spot for a fn button .1.25 [left shift] is just the best , additional key on pratical position . That's why ISO is superior to ANSI .Except if your hands are smaller than average, then the left shift becomes quite hard to reach. (For instance, my wife finds the ANSI right shift essentially unusable; on ISO both shift keys are unusable for her.)
if you're shorter than 6ft, you will pretty much hit the ansi lshift on the right side. aka you will completely miss it on iso.
the position should be REVERSED. 1x key, 1.25x lshift key.
iso is stupid.
tbh I hate all Cherry MX switches. Blues were too loud, browns were too broken-feeling, and linears didn't have enough response.Where are clears in the list?
tbh I hate all Cherry MX switches. Blues were too loud, browns were too broken-feeling, and linears didn't have enough response.Where are clears in the list?
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tbh I hate all Cherry MX switches. Blues were too loud, browns were too broken-feeling, and linears didn't have enough response.
So you're telling me people hate things because of fanboys?tbh I hate all Cherry MX switches. Blues were too loud, browns were too broken-feeling, and linears didn't have enough response.
Well, Browns suck unless they're "vintage" Browns (read well broken in). Reds are **** and Blacks are meh unless you swap the springs for Clear springs and get yourself some Ghost Blacks/Reds. Clears are okay, but only become great when lubed and you swap the springs for 65-70g springs. Blues are annoying and suck unless they're "vintage" Blues. Greens are annoying. MX Lock are fun, but a novelty that really have no use. Whites are too inconsistent.
Alps>MX
I hate the term vintage. They're just broken in and well used.
But demik, I like my HHKB and don't like Model Ms, what does that mean?
I hate the term vintage. They're just broken in and well used.If you’re talking about linear Cherry MX switches, this is simply false. Comparing never-used “vintage” (late 1980s) to brand new “modern” (2013) MX black switches, there is a night-and-day difference in smoothness. I’m not sure if it’s the quality of the injection molding tooling, or the material composition of the plastics, or some finishing process, or some kind of lubricant used, or what, but the difference is dramatic, and has nothing to do with the amount of use the switches have seen.
I'd like to see you game for 10 hours with your hand on the wasd cluster with your wrist in the air.yeah i don't like SA either.
i tried the filco sphericals and had to remove them, because i started having wrist pains due to the unnatural angle, because the caps are too damn high :)
a wrist rest partially alleviates this, but it's just additional clutter on the table i don't really need, so i'll stick to my cherry profile thick PBT caps without the need of a wristrest.Show Image(http://i2.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/newsfeed/000/002/626/doing-it-wrong.jpg)
You should raise your wrists off the desk when typing.
SA profile is awesome. The most solid, heavy, piano-like, retro-modern, beautiful profile ever.
And it looks fantastic on 60% boards.
I am always right unless I'm wrong.
<combined an answer with five unpopular opinions, how's that for efficiency? And artisan caps are art. Everyone has their own taste. Or lack thereof.>
I'd like to see you game for 10 hours with your hand on the wasd cluster with your wrist in the air.Using a keyboard (for whatever purpose) for 10 hours straight is stupid and terrible for your body, no matter what your setup is. Just sitting in a chair for that long at a time, whether reading a book, or watching TV, or writing with pen and paper, or whatever, is stupid.
I'd like to see you game for 10 hours with your hand on the wasd cluster with your wrist in the air.Using a keyboard (for whatever purpose) for 10 hours straight is stupid and terrible for your body, no matter what your setup is. Just sitting in a chair for that long at a time, whether reading a book, or watching TV, or writing with pen and paper, or whatever, is stupid.
You should be getting up and walking around after at most every 2–3 hours, and you should be taking brief stretch breaks every 30 minutes, if not more frequently.
Yeah, damn, 10 hours is pretty insane. You're also "supposed" to pee every couple hours, so take your wrist off the keyboard when you do that, too.
None of you deserve your fancy mechs because you can't type fast enough on them.
I'm sure anyone can burst up to 130WPM for a few seconds, but I highly doubt the claims for any higher unless I see it in person :D
☐ Not REKT ☑ REKTNone of you deserve your fancy mechs because you can't type fast enough on them.
That's mean. :( I thought we were friends.
If you keep that up, you'll be the unpopular opinion. >:D
☐ Not REKT ☑ REKTNone of you deserve your fancy mechs because you can't type fast enough on them.
That's mean. :( I thought we were friends.
If you keep that up, you'll be the unpopular opinion. >:D
I type a blistering......................................90WPM GET ON MY LEVEL
(http://www.reactiongifs.com/r/szg.gif)☐ Not REKT ☑ REKTNone of you deserve your fancy mechs because you can't type fast enough on them.
That's mean. :( I thought we were friends.
If you keep that up, you'll be the unpopular opinion. >:D
I type a blistering......................................90WPM GET ON MY LEVEL
☑ HPE is a meanie face
I type faster than you, ya big fat jerk!
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People seem to dislike the things most loved on this forum the most. I think what people really dislike is when people just go too far in their adoration of anything. It becomes annoying, and people start hating it for it.
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Standard QWERTY layout keyboards in general - horizontal stagger design is to allow levers to reach the hammer mechanism. QWERTY character layout is to prevent neighbouring keys being pressed too rapidly in succession and jamming the gravity returned hammers.... Oh wait.. WE DON'T HAVE THESE THINGS ANY MORE. Yet the design has persisted, due to being familiar. It's not logical, it's not comfortable or ergonomic, it's not even symmetrical or aesthetic. The ONLY reason to use it is familiarity. When the only reason you still do something a certain way is tradition, it's time to make a change, based on more current requirements.
I agree.
This is my suggestion to keyboard manufacturers:
a) a TKL keyboard. (Attached.)
b) a 7x14 keyboard (Attached.)
To users: if you don't want to sacrifice any of your skills with the standard keyboard, or you already own an expensive TKL case, expensive keycaps, rare switches etc and don't want to waste more money, choose a). Otherwise, chose b).
Edit: I'm sorry I couldn't post attachements. Internal server error.
3. Paying more for keycap(s) than the keyboard that they are on is hilarious.In some instances, the case will cost more than the rest of the keyboard. In fact, that's the case with almost every metal case, except for minimalist 60% ones. Machined aluminum just costs more than a PCB or switches
4. Ditto for the case.
Hmm.. eh, why not.
1. NKRO will not make you a better gamer.
...<snip>
5. All vanilla physical (ANSI/ISO/etc) keyboard layouts are terrible outdated relics.
6. Any key larger than ~1.75x, especially the spacebar, is a waste of space.
7. Reports of the same cherry switches feeling different from one plate mount board to another, or one pcb mount board to another, is basically confirmation bias.
PBT isn't that much better than ABS
I don't like [...] CMYK
Finally thought of one:
I don't like "RGB" mods (CMYK, or whatever).Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/LwEHcor.jpg)
They make your keyboard look like it fell from the Playskool tree and hit every Hasbranch on the way down.
I don't like [...] CMYK
:eek: :(
F is no better than M. It might be functionally, in that you get NKRO over 2KRO, but the feeling isn't any better, and neither is the sound. Also, the layouts and boards are ugly, and will never compete with an SSK.Now that is an unpopular opinion :-X
F is no better than M. It might be functionally, in that you get NKRO over 2KRO, but the feeling isn't any better, and neither is the sound. Also, the layouts and boards are ugly, and will never compete with an SSK.
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Love is the true unpopular opinion. :'(
Yes, I think everything about the model f outside of the layout is better than the mode m. It's just so crisp in comparison to the m. But I guess it's all opinion.F is no better than M. It might be functionally, in that you get NKRO over 2KRO, but the feeling isn't any better, and neither is the sound. Also, the layouts and boards are ugly, and will never compete with an SSK.
While I don't disagree with your second point, my F AT has a night and day difference in feeling than the Model Ms I've owned and used. The Model M feels like a toy while the F feels solid.
Here may be an unpopular keyboard opinion: Keyboards are great melee weapons.
Let's change the title to "Refute others' unpopular opinions by stating popular opinion".
ThisLet's change the title to "Refute others' unpopular opinions by stating popular opinion".
Honestly, the fact that people actually argued with you about it means that yours is the only truly unpopular opinion.
Most of the others are opinions that a lot of people hold, but they're not vocal in the community. Not liking F over M is legitimately unpopular. So you should feel good. But you should also feel bad because you're wrong. xD
1. Linear switches are horrible.popular opinions
3. Rainbow/multicolored/transparent keycaps look trashy.
5. Gaming keyboards.... ew
Everyone hates linear switchesShow Image(http://www.reactiongifs.com/r/bc.gif)
Everyone hates linear switchesI love them! You and I are #teamlinearShow Image(http://www.reactiongifs.com/r/bc.gif)
Everyone hates linear switchesI love them! You and I are #teamlinearShow Image(http://www.reactiongifs.com/r/bc.gif)
To everyone else,Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/bfSCxx1.jpg)
Is ghost black a black switch with clear springs? I have clear springs sitting around so I could do that.Everyone hates linear switchesShow Image(http://www.reactiongifs.com/r/bc.gif)
Ghost Blacks/Reds = Best Goddamn Cherry switches aside from Ergo Clears. Second only in awesomeness to Green Alps, but even then it's a close one.
Yep! Black/Red stem with clear spring. I've wanted to try that for a while too, but I've become very accustomed and comfortable with 62g blacks.Is ghost black a black switch with clear springs? I have clear springs sitting around so I could do that.Everyone hates linear switchesShow Image(http://www.reactiongifs.com/r/bc.gif)
Ghost Blacks/Reds = Best Goddamn Cherry switches aside from Ergo Clears. Second only in awesomeness to Green Alps, but even then it's a close one.
I might try that if I ever get a 360 corsa, but that won't happen :'(
WASD keyboards are dreadful
this thread sucks.
and the beatles are horrible.
80% of the **** said here is not even close to being an unpopular opinion.
here's one.
if you can't touch type, why the **** are you spending 60+ on a keyboard.
most of these are just preferences. including the **** i've said myself.
Non touch-typist simply wasting their money on expensive keyboards is something that I think is indeed an unpopular opinion. I know there are quite a few of those people on geekhack. I would be lying if I said that I have not thought this every time someone mentions they do not touch type. I also think that the main benefit in terms of feel of a keyboard is mostly lost on those who do not touch type.
my favorite numpad is my microwave.My favorite is the pad for entering the code to open my garage door. No one will ever guess the code, as it involves pressing the enter key three times (it doesn’t register unless you press the **** out of it, and even when you know that, it’s impossible to press hard enough on the first try; fortunately the number keys seem to work at least 80% of the time).
i can type without looking at the board, but i have a very unorthodox finger placement scheme. am i still qualified as a touch typist?Yes. Being a “touch typist” isn’t worth much though, it’s just a label.
What kind of typing speed can you get with your unorthodox scheme? How unorthodox are we talking here? Most (but not all) of the unorthodox schemes I’ve seen are unorthodox because they’re bad.i mostly just don't have a pattern and deviate my finger placement based on words. for example, "OPA" would be right index finger - right middle finger, but "KOP" would be right index - right middle - right ring. i also move my hands around a lot instead of leaving them in a central position like good touch typists do.
i mostly just don't have a pattern and deviate my finger placement based on words. for example, "OPA" would be right index finger - right middle finger, but "KOP" would be right index - right middle - right ring. i also move my hands around a lot instead of leaving them in a central position like good touch typists do.I don’t think there’s anything inherently wrong with that, but I expect it takes more practice and thought to type fast in such a scheme, because the muscle memory is a bit tougher if you can’t mostly associate particular letters with particular fingers. I suspect the difference would get particularly noticeable with a better-than-QWERTY letter arrangement designed with a standard-ish touch typing technique in mind. On the flipside, some of the fastest typists in the world have similar ad-hoc techniques.
the muscle memory is a bit tougher if you can’t mostly associate particular letters with particular fingersyep, it's most noticeable when typing an unfamiliar word, i would make all sorts of mistakes. sometimes i have to mentally spell out a word and type it off that, which isn't much different from just looking at the keyboard legends
8. Keysets that lack nubs on the F and J keys are stupid
WASD keyboards are dreadful
Most people find them pretty good.
Any reason you feel they are dreadful?
WASD keyboards are dreadful
Most people find them pretty good.
Any reason you feel they are dreadful?
the crappy keycaps ruin the switches
WASD keyboards are dreadful
Most people find them pretty good.
Any reason you feel they are dreadful?
the crappy keycaps ruin the switches
it sucks that you cant change them. OH WAIT YOU CAN.
thus not making their boards bad.
WASD keyboards are dreadful
Most people find them pretty good.
Any reason you feel they are dreadful?
the crappy keycaps ruin the switches
it sucks that you cant change them. OH WAIT YOU CAN.
thus not making their boards bad.
The main appeal of the V2 is the ability to customize the artwork on the keycaps, so a buyer likely wouldn't even want to have to change them.
WASD keyboards are dreadful [...] the crappy keycaps ruin the switches
On the other hand they are one of the few (the only?) sellers that let you buy their keyboards without keycaps. Since they offer the keyboard "barebones" I think you can not really say their entire product sucks. But are they not simply ABS, OEM profile keycaps? Is there any specific reason why they are terrible? Because I did not know this.
The main appeal is the cheap cost for such customization, which comes at the sacrifice in cap quality. Not nearly as many people (outside of this site, aka the real world, which everyone seems to ignore) would be interested in paying for something else.
No one else offers what WASD offers, and you should appreciate them for that.
Here's an unpopular opinion for y'all: I love my WASD v2 keyboard. The stock UV-treated ABS keycaps are not really bad at all. I slightly prefer the thick PBT Leopold caps but the stock caps are not obviously inferior. I believe most of the hate felt towards WASD keycaps is rooted in the previous version before the current UV treated caps.
I don't care about a keyboard's appearance very much at all beyond it being clean. I have some vague preferences, but I would certainly never spend a penny on anything like coloured keycaps or a fancy design. I don't understand why anyone would.
Yeah, man. Me either. How can, in a world of billions and billions of people, there be any preference or difference. I just can't fathom it.
I was only ****ing with you. I don't honestly care how you feel. Either way, the words you used this time ("will likely never share") better showed what you meant than saying you didn't understand.
But haven't you heard? We're changing the title: http://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=65341.msg1532837#msg1532837
nice list, almost as good as this classic "what does it take to run a GB" post: http://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=62256.msg1513952#msg1513952[/list]
- Why would anyone buy an expensive keyboard? They're all the same.
- Why buy a keyboard at all? Don't you know there is one built into an iPad? PCs are dead bro.
- Model Ms are old and ugly. I personally rounded up dozens of them and took them to be recycled and put out of their misery.
- Your keyboard was clicking really loudly so I figured it was broken and threw it out.
- People who think keyboards improve their gaming skills probably suck at gaming.
- Ripster is, was, and will always be the foremost expert on all things keyboards, whose genius and devotion are rivaled only by his modesty and restraint.
This is seriously a thread of hate.
wtf
I feel ashamed when I see a grown up man say things like "...a sharp drop at the actuation point at around 2/3 - 3/4 way down the..."
Don't you have anything better to do with your life than yammering away on the minute details of a keyboard? I have both an M and an F that I picked up at goodwill for nothing 15 years ago and for the first time yesterday I googled about them and found 'enthusiast' (here an euphemism for retarded) websites where idiots bounce off the walls telling each other about the orgasms per second they have when using them. And 'using' is an overstatement with 90% of those morons. Most are busy opening them, cleaning the last atom of dirt off them, 'restoring' what doesn't need any restoration, 'upgrading', thinking of names for them, 'modding', taking photos, showing them off, in general jerking off about the clicky sensations and the superb accuracy of their typing and other general uber-dorkiness. What I never found there was anything useful to do with them, ie. actually program a computer.
Go type 'messenger lectures' in youtube and see what smart people look like, then kill yourself disassembling your One True Keyboard(TM) for the nth time and swallowing all the buckling springs.
And then mail one of your remaining model Fs to me.
This is seriously a thread of hate.Everyone needs to be a troll sometimes. It’s best if we can keep it confined to the “off topic” subforum, but sticking it all in one thread is also not too bad.
Kinda surprised this isn't an off topic post...
There is nothing educational about this thread, it's all just the usual hateful circle jerking.
Something educational would be if there was a thread where people who like different things showed appreciation and respect for each other. All people are doing here is taking a personal bad experience with something or someone else's bad experience with something and trying to make it a majority opinion.
Example: "I'm a programmer and I think the 60% boards are stupid because it's missing keys. Therefore I conclude that ALL programmers must hate 60% boards" same examples for ergodox, to pre, colemak, 40%, backlit, the lists go on and on.
I love cherry blacks, that linear feel is so smooth compared to typing with browns which is like typing on cobblestones. Don't even go to the rest of the cherrys.
HHKBs are like Louboutin
Topres are like Diesel brand
- Typing on a flat board. I never use feet. Recently took off the riser on my LZ, love it even more.popular
- I will always pay more to avoid an acrylic custom. Mechanical keyboards are forever, but acrylic is not.
people might actually use their Mech boards as a melee weapon...haha just kidding...maybe...
I beg to differ:
people might actually use their Mech boards as a melee weapon...haha just kidding...maybe...
If they are Model Fs or Logic Controls. Otherwise they will be at a serious disadvantage.
Winkey is for plebs, winkey looks sooo much better, especially with blockers
(https://farm3.staticflickr.com/2950/15473451482_3ec2feb306_c.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/pzku3f)untitled-39 (https://flic.kr/p/pzku3f) by photekq-gh (https://www.flickr.com/people/115722906@N08/), on Flickr
I guess this really isn't that unpopular, but the majority of people use winkey boards so maybe it kinda is unpopular? :))
Winkey is for plebs, winkey looks sooo much better, especially with blockers
(https://farm3.staticflickr.com/2950/15473451482_3ec2feb306_c.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/pzku3f)untitled-39 (https://flic.kr/p/pzku3f) by photekq-gh (https://www.flickr.com/people/115722906@N08/), on Flickr
I guess this really isn't that unpopular, but the majority of people use winkey boards so maybe it kinda is unpopular? :))
Did you mean winkeyless looks best?
I don't like switch "stickers". The whole idea just bothers me. Looks and sounds like Placebo Effect.
(http://i.imgur.com/YWFpuTq.gif)I don't like switch "stickers". The whole idea just bothers me. Looks and sounds like Placebo Effect.
Bro, the only way to type over 100 WPM is with switch stickers. Totally real.
I liked the Ducky Shine 4 knobs.
I have a hard time believing people spending a lot of time behind their keyboard for work would willingly opt for switches with over 50g actuation force. I have tried it, and like heavier switches for short periods of time (for home use for example it is fine). But I also tried it for work, and from my perspective, it is kind of insane.
I have a hard time believing people spending a lot of time behind their keyboard for work would willingly opt for switches with over 50g actuation force. I have tried it, and like heavier switches for short periods of time (for home use for example it is fine). But I also tried it for work, and from my perspective, it is kind of insane.
I have a hard time believing people spending a lot of time behind their keyboard for work would willingly opt for switches with over 50g actuation force. I have tried it, and like heavier switches for short periods of time (for home use for example it is fine). But I also tried it for work, and from my perspective, it is kind of insane.Considering all the stock Cherry MX switches (except maybe MX red) require actuation force above 50g, as do basically all other keyboard switches I can think of, outside some very low force ones used on stenography keyboards or similar, your comment basically boils down to saying that you can’t believe anyone doesn’t hand-modify every keyswitch on every keyboard.
Also, non-MX-Clear is for the weak.
YESAlso, non-MX-Clear is for the weak.ergoclears?
more like 'ergo you are too weak' amirite?
Alps switches are superior to Cherry switches.
how about this raibow? :eek: not childish i thinkShow Image(http://www.key64.org/images/key64_ergonomic_keyboard_as_of_20130315.jpg/image_preview)
To the people that said BS sucks, I say to you you suck....lol. Jk? At any rate what'd don't you like about them and have you tried both m/f?
Also what do you like. I've tried a fairly wide range of switches I think. The big ones I haven't are blue alps, topre, mx black, and mx red along with more less popular variants and other vintage switches. Of note, didn't want to read 16 pages of tap talk to maybe find the answers.
To the people that said BS sucks, I say to you you suck....lol. Jk? At any rate what'd don't you like about them and have you tried both m/f?
Also what do you like. I've tried a fairly wide range of switches I think. The big ones I haven't are blue alps, topre, mx black, and mx red along with more less popular variants and other vintage switches. Of note, didn't want to read 16 pages of tap talk to maybe find the answers.
Model M BS does suck. Model F is awesome.
To the people that said BS sucks, I say to you you suck....lol. Jk? At any rate what'd don't you like about them and have you tried both m/f?
Also what do you like. I've tried a fairly wide range of switches I think. The big ones I haven't are blue alps, topre, mx black, and mx red along with more less popular variants and other vintage switches. Of note, didn't want to read 16 pages of tap talk to maybe find the answers.
Model M BS does suck. Model F is awesome.
M2? Are you people serious? Sheesh. M2 is a much less crisp force curve than either M or F. M2 is the black Alps of buckling spring switches.
- It is infuriating, however, that numpads have a useless double-width zero and not a , key so that I don't have to use two hands or move my hand when typing something like 32,656,365. Not only do they need to exist, they need a , key.
-Every keyboard should have cable channels and rubber feet on all four corners.popular opinions
-All keyboards using micro USB connectors should have L-shaped connectors, and ideally can rotate to both directions.
-Stop building hand-rests into keyboards. No one wants to use hard-plastic hand-rests when we could just buy comfortable foam/silicone/leather ones.
-There needs to be a meet-up in the Sacramento area.
-Matias switches should be a lot more popular than they are--especially the quiet switch, because it has excellent tactility and is about as quiet as a standard rubber dome keyboard. Matias switches also have built-in LED on each switch, and no one's really taking advantage of that design, while Cherry MX LED swtiches copied that idea and are getting all the attention.
-Everyone who spends any significant amount of their communication time using a keyboard (messaging, forums, emails) should learn to touch-type fluently. Same for anyone who considers himself a writer, or does a significant amount of typing for any reason (school work, job, whatever).
-WASD's custom keycap colors should be expanded to beyond those typical colors. We need colors like tea, cappucchino, cream, copper, gold, silver, khaki, ochre, peach, burgundy, mauve, yellow-green, indigo blue, pale yellow, etc.
-All toggle-keys (such as CapsLock, NumLock, Scroll Lock) on a keyboard should have a visual indicator of what state it is in, and ideally it's on the keycap itself.LEDs are a thing
-Forcing two-handed operation of Fn layer combo keys should only be the last resort if one-handed possibilities are completely unavailable.Can you explain this? Two-hand chords are much better for you than one-hand chords. Do you care about this mainly because your right hand is always on a mouse, or...?
-Stop building hand-rests into keyboards. No one wants to use hard-plastic hand-rests when we could just buy comfortable foam/silicone/leather ones.People should ditch their palmrests altogether. Problem solved.
-All toggle-keys (such as CapsLock, NumLock, Scroll Lock) on a keyboard should have a visual indicator of what state it is in, and ideally it's on the keycap itself.Toggle keys (and in general, other modes in user interfaces) are fundamentally broken. If we had enough thumb keys on a keyboard, we would have no need for modes. Caps lock and num lock are particularly stupid types of modes, based on poorly designed assumptions from 30+ years ago.
-We need a much wider variety of high-quality keyboard legend sticker sets--ones that don't rub off after a while, and have lots of varieties in design and color combinations.These two are indeed unpopular. Who the hell wants stickers or condoms on their keyboard?
-We need a superior version of the silicone keyboard protective skin/covers. The "transparent" ones are only semi-transparent and reduces readability of the legends too much, and the sheets are too thick. Why can't they be as thin and transparent as condoms?
-Numpads on full-sized keyboards should always be on the left side, not the right. Putting it on the right is horrible for ergonomics.Numpads are for accountants and data entry clerks. Anyone who isn’t an accountant or data entry clerk doesn’t really need a numpad at all.
-Being able to touch-type is not a good enough reason to not want legends on keycaps. There are plenty of situations when not touch-typing that will be much more convenient to have legends, such as when doing any type of audio/visual content creation, or simply just using lots of shorcuts/hotkeys on complex software when your hands are not in a standard home-row position. That extra split-second it takes you to think when looking at a set of blank keys only slows you down and interrupts your workflow over and over.More convenient for you maybe. The statement is only an “unpopular opinion” because you’re judging other people for having different preferences. (And why? Like seriously, who are you to judge what is a good or bad reason for someone else’s preferences.)
-Keyboard manufacturers really need to learn a few lessons from headphone manufacturers in terms of using a wider range of interesting, fashionable, and visually pleasing designs and color palettes. The kind of creativity seen in custom/DIY keyboards--that's what we should be seeing from the keyboard manufacturers, instead of the same boring designs, or on the other end of the spectrum, garish gamer-centric designs.Keep in mind, headphones are primarily fashion accessories, and playing music is a secondary function. Keyboards are not fashion accessories, and therefore the market for them is different. The market for stylish keyboards is a tiny tiny niche, because almost no one judges someone by how stylish their keyboard looks, and most keyboards stay at people’s desks. For the same reason, people don’t need to have stylish bathroom scales or stylish waffle irons.
Keep in mind, headphones are primarily fashion accessories, and playing music is a secondary function.Tell that to anyone not wearing Beats
Well, I do have a condom for my keyboard; it's transparent, thin, whatever. It's supposed to be used in medical institutions.Quote-We need a much wider variety of high-quality keyboard legend sticker sets--ones that don't rub off after a while, and have lots of varieties in design and color combinations.These two are indeed unpopular. Who the hell wants stickers or condoms on their keyboard?
-We need a superior version of the silicone keyboard protective skin/covers. The "transparent" ones are only semi-transparent and reduces readability of the legends too much, and the sheets are too thick. Why can't they be as thin and transparent as condoms?
Quote-Numpads on full-sized keyboards should always be on the left side, not the right. Putting it on the right is horrible for ergonomics.Numpads are for accountants and data entry clerks. Anyone who isn’t an accountant or data entry clerk doesn’t really need a numpad at all.
Well, I do have a condom for my keyboard; it's transparent, thin, whatever. It's supposed to be used in medical institutions.
(http://i.imgur.com/peAf4sz.jpg)Well, I do have a condom for my keyboard; it's transparent, thin, whatever. It's supposed to be used in medical institutions.
More information, please. What is this mythical keyboard condom you speak of? :eek:
-Forcing two-handed operation of Fn layer combo keys should only be the last resort if one-handed possibilities are completely unavailable.Can you explain this? Two-hand chords are much better for you than one-hand chords. Do you care about this mainly because your right hand is always on a mouse, or...?
-We need a much wider variety of high-quality keyboard legend sticker sets--ones that don't rub off after a while, and have lots of varieties in design and color combinations.These two are indeed unpopular. Who the hell wants stickers or condoms on their keyboard?
-We need a superior version of the silicone keyboard protective skin/covers. The "transparent" ones are only semi-transparent and reduces readability of the legends too much, and the sheets are too thick. Why can't they be as thin and transparent as condoms?
-Numpads on full-sized keyboards should always be on the left side, not the right. Putting it on the right is horrible for ergonomics.Numpads are for accountants and data entry clerks. Anyone who isn’t an accountant or data entry clerk doesn’t really need a numpad at all.
-Being able to touch-type is not a good enough reason to not want legends on keycaps. There are plenty of situations when not touch-typing that will be much more convenient to have legends, such as when doing any type of audio/visual content creation, or simply just using lots of shorcuts/hotkeys on complex software when your hands are not in a standard home-row position. That extra split-second it takes you to think when looking at a set of blank keys only slows you down and interrupts your workflow over and over.More convenient for you maybe. The statement is only an “unpopular opinion” because you’re judging other people for having different preferences. (And why? Like seriously, who are you to judge what is a good or bad reason for someone else’s preferences.)
-Keyboard manufacturers really need to learn a few lessons from headphone manufacturers in terms of using a wider range of interesting, fashionable, and visually pleasing designs and color palettes. The kind of creativity seen in custom/DIY keyboards--that's what we should be seeing from the keyboard manufacturers, instead of the same boring designs, or on the other end of the spectrum, garish gamer-centric designs.Keep in mind, headphones are primarily fashion accessories, and playing music is a secondary function. Keyboards are not fashion accessories, and therefore the market for them is different. The market for stylish keyboards is a tiny tiny niche, because almost no one judges someone by how stylish their keyboard looks, and most keyboards stay at people’s desks. For the same reason, people don’t need to have stylish bathroom scales or stylish waffle irons.
Well, I do have a condom for my keyboard; it's transparent, thin, whatever. It's supposed to be used in medical institutions.
More information, please. What is this mythical keyboard condom you speak of? :eek:Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/peAf4sz.jpg)
-Forcing two-handed operation of Fn layer combo keys should only be the last resort if one-handed possibilities are completely unavailable.
If I happen to be using the other hand, such as holding a drink, a snack, a reference image I'm working from (for art), or playing on a musical keyboard (in the middle of composing/recording), or anything else that requires my other hand, I want to be able to operate the Fn functions with my other hand, such as play/pause/skip music that is playing.Play/pause/skip is far from the only thing someone might want to put on a function layer.
Numpads are for accountants and data entry clerks. Anyone who isn’t an accountant or data entry clerk doesn’t really need a numpad at all.
I do content creation (audio/visual), and I use the numpad to into parameter numbers such as exposure, color, contrast, audio sample position, timeline position, synth programming parameters, etc.Numbers (in a numpad arrangement or some other arrangement, but probably not just all in a row) definitely belong on a function layer. Reaching up to the top row or over to a discrete numpad is a huge slowdown when typing on a standard keyboard. A numpad on the left is just as obnoxious a slowdown as one on the right, in addition to being the wrong shape to be easily used by the left hand.
-Being able to touch-type is not a good enough reason to not want legends on keycaps. There are plenty of situations when not touch-typing that will be much more convenient to have legends, [...] That extra split-second it takes you to think when looking at a set of blank keys only slows you down and interrupts your workflow over and over.
More convenient for you maybe.[...]
If my driving analogy didn't convince you, then you won't be convinced, and that's fine.Your driving analogy was about exactly the opposite thing (touch typing advocacy). I’m here objecting to the claim that legends are necessary to avoid constant workflow interruption. I’m pretty much entirely indifferent to the presence or absence of legends on keys, and I can’t think of a time when my workflow was interrupted by lack of legends. I suspect most people with blank keyboards feel the same, or they wouldn’t use them.
There are plenty of headphone designs by headphone companies that place audio quality above all else, yet still have beautiful designs that are tasteful and functional, and not at all catered teenagers blindly following trends (look at the headphones around $1,000 or more).For $1000 or more you can get a very attractive (all metal, very fancy plastic, carbon fiber, or wood, painted whatever kind of color you want, with nice keycaps in any arbitrary color, and your favorite keyswitches with several choices of layout) keyboard. So presumably that’s not what you were talking about before.
There is a lot of vitriol spewing out here.I don’t think anyone here feels angry/caustic/cruel/bitter or is aiming for that as a tone, but note, the premise of this thread is basically “try to go troll each-other”.
There are a lot of people who work with numbers who are not accountants or clerks.The numpad as it exists today is IMO a very ineffective design for generic “working with numbers”. So much so that a properly configured embedded numpad in a programmable 60% keyboard is more efficient, less error prone, and more comfortable for almost every such use case. Unfortunately most of the embedded function-layer numpads in 60% boards are also quite poorly designed.
For people who work with numbers, and there are a lot of us, the numpad is vital and pleasant to use.
-Forcing two-handed operation of Fn layer combo keys should only be the last resort if one-handed possibilities are completely unavailable.If I happen to be using the other hand, such as holding a drink, a snack, a reference image I'm working from (for art), or playing on a musical keyboard (in the middle of composing/recording), or anything else that requires my other hand, I want to be able to operate the Fn functions with my other hand, such as play/pause/skip music that is playing.Play/pause/skip is far from the only thing someone might want to put on a function layer.
For example: I have on function layers: mouse and keyboard navigation (keyboard navigation ends up taking maybe 40-50 shortcuts if you want to be able to do everything, but I still need to work on figuring out the best organization), numbers, symbols of various sorts, alphabets in other languages, common blobs of text I find myself repeatedly typing, tab/window/application switching, quick access to various useful directories, text processing commands, commands for sending the current selection to various applications or dumping it to a file somewhere, commands for popping up the clipboard history and putting stuff onto / off of it, commands for searching the current window/field for the text typed, commands for taking various sorts of screenshots, various audio and media controls. Hopefully in the future I can get shortcuts up for macro recording and playback. Etc. etc.
If you tried to fit this all on one hand on a standard layout keyboard, it would be nearly impossible to keep it straight. By properly arranging things though, and taking advantage of extra thumb keys and two-handed chords, it’s possible to pack a huge amount of functionality into a pretty well organized and easy to remember hierarchy of shortcuts, and make routine computer use dramatically more efficient.
If all you need is play/pause/skip for some music while your other hand is holding a snack, then sure, put it on one hand. Or better, just dedicate some separate keys to just those functions.
Numpads are for accountants and data entry clerks. Anyone who isn’t an accountant or data entry clerk doesn’t really need a numpad at all.I do content creation (audio/visual), and I use the numpad to into parameter numbers such as exposure, color, contrast, audio sample position, timeline position, synth programming parameters, etc.Numbers (in a numpad arrangement or some other arrangement, but probably not just all in a row) definitely belong on a function layer. Reaching up to the top row or over to a discrete numpad is a huge slowdown when typing on a standard keyboard. A numpad on the left is just as obnoxious a slowdown as one on the right, in addition to being the wrong shape to be easily used by the left hand.
There’s nothing inherently wrong with using a standard-layout numpad for whatever arbitrary purpose. It just happens to have mostly been designed for data entry in fields such as accounting, and is therefore a pretty awful layout for almost every other purpose. It’s better than the standard number row for typing numbers, but now that we have fully programmable firmware and the capacity to make keyboards with arbitrary layouts, we can do much much better.
Better input devices for “audio/visual content creation” would have keys in a hand-friendly arrangement for both hands, with a layout optimized to manage adjusting whatever relevant parameters you need with the same hand you use for other keyboard commands. They would additionally include multiple analog inputs (knobs, sliders, trackballs, touchscreens) to allow you to adjust those parameters in an analog way with real-time feedback instead of only typing numbers. A numpad is only a useful tool for this kind of purpose because the other easily available tools are even less effective, not because it’s inherently well suited to the task.
-Being able to touch-type is not a good enough reason to not want legends on keycaps. There are plenty of situations when not touch-typing that will be much more convenient to have legends, [...] That extra split-second it takes you to think when looking at a set of blank keys only slows you down and interrupts your workflow over and over.More convenient for you maybe.[...]QuoteIf my driving analogy didn't convince you, then you won't be convinced, and that's fine.Your driving analogy was about exactly the opposite thing (touch typing advocacy). I’m here objecting to the claim that legends are necessary to avoid constant workflow interruption. I’m pretty much entirely indifferent to the presence or absence of legends on keys, and I can’t think of a time when my workflow was interrupted by lack of legends. I suspect most people with blank keyboards feel the same, or they wouldn’t use them.
Basically, you’re projecting your own need for legends / lack of experience with blanks onto other people.
There are plenty of headphone designs by headphone companies that place audio quality above all else, yet still have beautiful designs that are tasteful and functional, and not at all catered teenagers blindly following trends (look at the headphones around $1,000 or more).
For $1000 or more you can get a very attractive (all metal, very fancy plastic, carbon fiber, or wood, painted whatever kind of color you want, with nice keycaps in any arbitrary color, and your favorite keyswitches with several choices of layout) keyboard. So presumably that’s not what you were talking about before.
But beyond that, any headphones that cost $1000 are absolutely fashion devices / status symbols first and headphones second, in the same way that luxury watches or handbags are.
Sure, people buy expensive cars, handbags, suits, shoes, watches, etc. because they like high quality things, but that’s not the primary reason any of those products exist or are priced so high. The primary purpose is to signal wealth/status/identity/values to other people: that’s a large part of what your word “tasteful” means (see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Taste_(sociology)#Imitation_and_distinction (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Taste_(sociology)#Imitation_and_distinction)).
Since for most people, keyboards are not on social display and therefore not a positional good (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Positional_good), the market for very fancy keyboards is a small niche compared to watches, headphones, etc.
I think what is throwing me off is the topic of the thread itself. Are these personal opinions that are unpopular? Are these things we see other users saying on threads on this and other forums? And what makes it unpopular or popular? I guess my logic went out the window here.The same reason that makes literally any other opinion unpopular: it contradicts the popular opinion
About the numpad, I could not possibly disagree more. Are you talking about something that has to be toggled?I don’t like things that get toggled.
But to work in a spreadsheet with keys that can be either numbers or letters and to have some operation that is constantly happening to jump in and out?So in other words, you’re hopping your hand back and forth between the keyboard and numpad constantly, to type both letters and numbers into your spreadsheet cells? Sounds very inefficient, error-prone, and uncomfortable to me.
I prefer thick ABS double shot key caps with cherry profile over any other type of caps.All popular opinions
I want my space bars to be made of PBT because I hate to get them with shiny spots.
I prefer neutral colors for my caps, I just do not get it when people buy sets in colors like pink, and light blue.
I hate leds in my keyboard, there is always good illumination at my desk, and my keyboard is not a x-mas tree, or a stop light, thus there is no reason to adorn it.
Topre is just an expensive type of rubberdome board.not even opinionated, literally true
Apparently this is unpopular on r/mk. I wouldn't touch a Corsair keyboard with a ten foot pole.
Apparently this is unpopular on r/mk. I wouldn't touch a Corsair keyboard with a ten foot pole.friend was looking to buy a new mech. Knew I was into keyboards. Asked for advice. Gave plenty of advice on a wide variety of brands and switch he could try. Still bought a k70 w/ browns. Why do I even try
Apparently this is unpopular on r/mk. I wouldn't touch a Corsair keyboard with a ten foot pole.friend was looking to buy a new mech. Knew I was into keyboards. Asked for advice. Gave plenty of advice on a wide variety of brands and switch he could try. Still bought a k70 w/ browns. Why do I even try
The headphone companies know this because the head-fi community will tear their new products apart if its sound quality does not match its price point (it wasn't always like that, but the community has learned to discern from real quality from marketing hype, especially with the rising prevalence of measurement tests).This comedy is pure gold.
I have never been banned there, and I'm pretty outspoken about a lot of the stuff I think are audiofool snake oil marketing stunts, as well as ludicrous diminishing returns. And that never stopped Jude from contacting me every year asking for permission to quote my reviews for their gift guides.Quote from: LunatiqueThe headphone companies know this because the head-fi community will tear their new products apart if its sound quality does not match its price point (it wasn't always like that, but the community has learned to discern from real quality from marketing hype, especially with the rising prevalence of measurement tests).This comedy is pure gold.
Good luck tearing anything apart on head-fi, especially if it has something to do with sponsors (yes, head-fi is an ad site). Hint: you'll get banned pretty fast.
Haha, ever mentioned blind testing? ^_^I harp on and on about the necessity of double-blind tests, how headphone amps are mostly a waste of money, how overrated the HD800 is, how lossless files and "high-end" portable players are all a waste of money, how expensive cables are snake oil, and advocate EQ'ing headphones properly with free/cheap parametric EQ instead of the endless treadmill of perpetual upgrades, etc. I also write in-depth posts dispelling common misconceptions in audio, the dangers of misguided priorities and dimishing returns, the importance of using correct terminologies to describe audio and avoiding hyperbole, and so on. Not only am I not banned, but actually well-respected in that circle.
I harp on and on about the necessity of double-blind tests, how headphone amps are mostly a waste of money, how overrated the HD800 is, how lossless files and "high-end" portable players are all a waste of money, how expensive cables are snake oil, and advocate EQ'ing headphones properly with free/cheap parametric EQ instead of the endless treadmill of perpetual upgrades, etc. I also write in-depth posts dispelling common misconceptions in audio, the dangers of misguided priorities and dimishing returns, the importance of using correct terminologies to describe audio and avoiding hyperbole, and so on. Not only am I not banned, but actually well-respected in that circle.first post in this thread that legitimately annoys me is about audio instead of keyboard. go figure
Cherry ML > Topre ;D Or is that just controversial instead of unpopular... let's see from the number of responses.
Cherry ML > Topre ;D Or is that just controversial instead of unpopular... let's see from the number of responses.People seem to hate ML, the biggest problem being you pretty much have to hit right in the center of the cap to actuate. So yeah, unpopular
I think what is throwing me off is the topic of the thread itself. Are these personal opinions that are unpopular? Are these things we see other users saying on threads on this and other forums? And what makes it unpopular or popular? I guess my logic went out the window here.
Fohat, you are right on point. I'm just confused about this thread in general and how to respond.
Cherry ML > Topre ;D Or is that just controversial instead of unpopular... let's see from the number of responses.
typing with long fingernails is the bestI agree 100% with you on this. Although, I have this odd anxiety when my fingernails are too long.
Apparently this is unpopular on r/mk. I wouldn't touch a Corsair keyboard with a ten foot pole.friend was looking to buy a new mech. Knew I was into keyboards. Asked for advice. Gave plenty of advice on a wide variety of brands and switch he could try. Still bought a k70 w/ browns. Why do I even try
typing with long fingernails is the best(https://cdn.mediacru.sh/_/_EL3z-R5kC7H.png)
2) I liked scissor switched laptops and hate chiclet laptops (but they don't make scissor switches anymore so they must be unpopular)Who doesn't make scissor switches anymore and what does it have to do with popularity?
Apparently this is unpopular on r/mk. I wouldn't touch a Corsair keyboard with a ten foot pole.friend was looking to buy a new mech. Knew I was into keyboards. Asked for advice. Gave plenty of advice on a wide variety of brands and switch he could try. Still bought a k70 w/ browns. Why do I even try
Friend asked for advice about getting a mechanical keyboard. I gave him lots of fair and balanced advice about switch types and keyboards. Gets Blackwidow with Razer Greens. Ah well, at least I'll get to try Razer switches.
awww is okApparently this is unpopular on r/mk. I wouldn't touch a Corsair keyboard with a ten foot pole.friend was looking to buy a new mech. Knew I was into keyboards. Asked for advice. Gave plenty of advice on a wide variety of brands and switch he could try. Still bought a k70 w/ browns. Why do I even try
Friend asked for advice about getting a mechanical keyboard. I gave him lots of fair and balanced advice about switch types and keyboards. Gets Blackwidow with Razer Greens. Ah well, at least I'll get to try Razer switches.
a friend asked me for advice also.
lol jk i dont have friends :(
2) I liked scissor switched laptops and hate chiclet laptops (but they don't make scissor switches anymore so they must be unpopular)Who doesn't make scissor switches anymore and what does it have to do with popularity?
They are no longer popular on laptops, obviously, because they no longer exist on any laptop I can find.Wait what? Most laptops now use scissor switches. The most obvious trendsetting example is all the Apple laptops of the past 15+ years, but most PC laptops now have also used them for some time.
I liked scissor switched laptops and hate chiclet laptopsI think you must have some idiosyncratic definition of “scissor switches” because all the “chiclet” boards I’ve ever seen use scissor switches.
They are no longer popular on laptops, obviously, because they no longer exist on any laptop I can find.Wait what? Most laptops now use scissor switches. The most obvious trendsetting example is all the Apple laptops of the past 15+ years, but most PC laptops now have also used them for some time.QuoteI liked scissor switched laptops and hate chiclet laptopsI think you must have some idiosyncratic definition of “scissor switches” because all the “chiclet” boards I’ve ever seen use scissor switches.
http://deskthority.net/wiki/Scissor_switch
QuoteI liked scissor switched laptops and hate chiclet laptopsI think you must have some idiosyncratic definition of “scissor switches” because all the “chiclet” boards I’ve ever seen use scissor switches.
http://deskthority.net/wiki/Scissor_switch
key noise is an unnecessary form of tactile response that too many people look for in keyboardstactile (adj): of or connected with the sense of touch
I prefer prying off caps with a sort of lever over pulling them out properly and wish it was more common for caps to be made to come off this wayWhat does it mean to pull them out properly? I pretty much always remove keycaps with a pair of butter knives. Works way better than any fancy keypuller.
key noise is an unnecessary form of tactile response that too many people look for in keyboardstactile (adj): of or connected with the sense of touch
Noise is not tactile. I think the opinion you were looking to express is something like: “Keyswitches should be completely silent.”QuoteI prefer prying off caps with a sort of lever over pulling them out properly and wish it was more common for caps to be made to come off this wayWhat does it mean to pull them out properly? I pretty much always remove keycaps with a pair of butter knives. Works way better than any fancy keypuller.
tactile (adj): of or connected with the sense of touchoh thanks, not great at english
Noise is not tactile. I think the opinion you were looking to express is something like: “Keyswitches should be completely silent.”
I ****** hate ABS vs PBT , both of them are good....
Rubber domes can actually be pretty nice, and I feel that people will immediately hate a keyboard for it being a rubber dome without giving it a chance which I find to be ridiculous.
Rubber domes can actually be pretty nice, and I feel that people will immediately hate a keyboard for it being a rubber dome without giving it a chance which I find to be ridiculous.
Totally agree. I think as a community we should promote the view of appreciating the benefits of having a better quality keyboard instead of the 'mechanical or gtfo' view. I know someone who has a fairly mundane dell rubber dome keyboard. It is actually very nice to type on. What is important is not having an expensive keyboard, but appreciating that not all keyboards are the same and that it is important to not just put up with a board that you do not enjoy using. I often see (particularly on /r/MK) posts to the effect of 'is this mechanical?', to which the reply is invariably 'no' and the reply of the OP to that post is 'damn it. I guess I'll have to keep on looking' or something else to that effect. They are not giving a thought to the merits of that keyboard, only worrying about weather it fits one criteria. It is totally not as black and white as 'rubber = worthless, mechanical = holy'. I'm sure many people find out about these communities and are scared off by the prices of seemingly 'entry level' boards.
TLDR: good rubber needs more love.
The one thing that drove me crazy was the trackpoint knob. I always used the mouse and found that thing to be very annoying to me when I typed on a laptop. Even using it was really annoying. I remember using it and the pointer would just fly across the desktop for no reason at all. It drove me nuts! I never got used to it. Arrrrgh!I recall using my sister's laptop on middle school field trips in order to play Half-Life, and only having the nub to use. Quite an infuriating experience as a youngster.
The one thing that drove me crazy was the trackpoint knob. I always used the mouse and found that thing to be very annoying to me when I typed on a laptop. Even using it was really annoying. I remember using it and the pointer would just fly across the desktop for no reason at all. It drove me nuts! I never got used to it. Arrrrgh!I recall using my sister's laptop on middle school field trips in order to play Half-Life, and only having the nub to use. Quite an infuriating experience as a youngster.
Going to breathe some life back into this thread...
buying used keycaps? No thanks....
Going to breathe some life back into this thread...
buying used keycaps? No thanks....
I would agree thats not a popular opinion.
QFA. There are some rubber-dome keyboards I've typed on and made me stop and think, "Hey, this is quite nice!" If they came in form-factors that I preferred (such as TKL or 75%), I'd totally get one, but mainstream keyboards are largely full-size, which just doesn't fit my ergonomic requirement.
Just the other day, I was trying the Razer Tartarus at a store, and I actually really liked the tactile feel of its rubber-dome keys. Felt like a stiffer and slightly less refined version of Topre to me, and that's not a bad thing at all.
I just don't get the appeal in spending so much on keycaps that have already been worn, used, and smothered in someone else's finger grease.A half hour in detergent removes pretty much all finger grease.
After receiving my "Bigfoot" Terminal XT Model F, I think I have a very unpopular opinion to share.
I kinda like the XT layout.
Never thought I'd ever be saying that. It might even become my secondary daily driver along with the 4704.
Trust me, there's a reason it's an unpopular opinion :pAfter receiving my "Bigfoot" Terminal XT Model F, I think I have a very unpopular opinion to share.
I kinda like the XT layout.
Never thought I'd ever be saying that. It might even become my secondary daily driver along with the 4704.
Hmm. Now I want to try it, even though it looks pretty bad.
After receiving my "Bigfoot" Terminal XT Model F, I think I have a very unpopular opinion to share.
I kinda like the XT layout.
Never thought I'd ever be saying that. It might even become my secondary daily driver along with the 4704.
Stop tempting me. I keep wanting one more and more, despite having just finished my 4704.If you have a 4704 board, there’s very little reason to want an XT (unless it’s to harvest parts for some custom layout or an XTant or something).
Trust me, there's a reason it's an unpopular opinion :pAfter receiving my "Bigfoot" Terminal XT Model F, I think I have a very unpopular opinion to share.
I kinda like the XT layout.
Never thought I'd ever be saying that. It might even become my secondary daily driver along with the 4704.
Hmm. Now I want to try it, even though it looks pretty bad.
After receiving my "Bigfoot" Terminal XT Model F, I think I have a very unpopular opinion to share.
I kinda like the XT layout.
Never thought I'd ever be saying that. It might even become my secondary daily driver along with the 4704.
Stop tempting me. I keep wanting one more and more, despite having just finished my 4704.
will only need an xwhatsit to be in perfect running orderAren't those incompatible with his converter? I just remember thinking I would do the same and he said that it wouldn't work
1. I hate full sized keyboards! (Even though I have a Filco 100% xD)all pretty popular or at least moderately shared
4. I hate LED's on keyboards unless they are white or very subtle.
5. I hate corsairs, razors, thermaltake, and any other company that overdoes branding.
6. I hate dolch keycaps (Nahhhh, I'm kidding, I love them!)
7. I LOVE purple FMJ Poker cases!
8. I hate Topres! (feel like rubber domes to me)they are
will only need an xwhatsit to be in perfect running orderAren't those incompatible with his converter? I just remember thinking I would do the same and he said that it wouldn't work
1. I hate full sized keyboards! (Even though I have a Filco 100% xD)all pretty popular or at least moderately shared
4. I hate LED's on keyboards unless they are white or very subtle.
5. I hate corsairs, razors, thermaltake, and any other company that overdoes branding.
6. I hate dolch keycaps (Nahhhh, I'm kidding, I love them!)
7. I LOVE purple FMJ Poker cases!8. I hate Topres! (feel like rubber domes to me)they are
4. I hate LED's on keyboards unless they are white or very subtle.
all pretty popular or at least moderately shared
Woah #4 really? I'm a bit surprised.I’d even say many or even most people hate keyboard backlighting. I personally always turn it off on Apple laptops, and wouldn’t consider buying a keyboard with backlighting unless I planned to remove all the LEDs and replace the keycaps.
Quote from: blazarcher4. I hate LED's on keyboards unless they are white or very subtle.Quote from: hwood34all pretty popular or at least moderately sharedQuote from: blazarcherWoah #4 really? I'm a bit surprised.I’d even say many or even most people hate keyboard backlighting. I personally always turn it off on Apple laptops, and wouldn’t consider buying a keyboard with backlighting unless I planned to remove all the LEDs and replace the keycaps.
I think caps lock and num lock are stupid concepts which should have been retired 20 years ago.
I suspect there might be compelling use cases for a display on a keyboard, but I can’t think of any off-hand.
I mean, for your average person the RGB backlighting might seem appealing, but to enthusiasts it's just gaudyQuote from: blazarcher4. I hate LED's on keyboards unless they are white or very subtle.Quote from: hwood34all pretty popular or at least moderately sharedQuote from: blazarcherWoah #4 really? I'm a bit surprised.I’d even say many or even most people hate keyboard backlighting. I personally always turn it off on Apple laptops, and wouldn’t consider buying a keyboard with backlighting unless I planned to remove all the LEDs and replace the keycaps.
I think caps lock and num lock are stupid concepts which should have been retired 20 years ago.
I suspect there might be compelling use cases for a display on a keyboard, but I can’t think of any off-hand.
I think it's quite surprising considering all the RGB LED keyboards that are out now. I mean just look at Corsair and Razor!
It's not that unpopular.I'd even go so far as to say that's a pretty popular opinion
It's not that unpopular.I'd even go so far as to say that's a pretty popular opinion
They're not amazing, but better than [any] stock MX switches [...]This pretty much describes 90% of mechanical keyswitches out there.
1. I hate 60% boards, and rarely use my Poker 2. The lack of arrow keys kills me, and I can never be productive or get serious work done on one.
1) I hate all cases and any height they add, so I lay the PCB directly on the table.
2) I wish MX Blues were louder.
3) Plates are an abomination.
1. I hate 60% boards, and rarely use my Poker 2. The lack of arrow keys kills me, and I can never be productive or get serious work done on one.
Obviously 60% boards were made for people who spend their life in Vim. Otherwise, they do not make sense.
1) I hate all cases and any height they add, so I lay the PCB directly on the table.probably the oddest thing I've seen in this thread :))
Yeah, much better to carve the desk for at least 2/3 inches and then fix the PCB bellow desk level. it's so much more ergonomic.1) I hate all cases and any height they add, so I lay the PCB directly on the table.probably the oddest thing I've seen in this thread :))
I use a massive deskpad that provides cushion and keeps it from sliding. Carving my desk and setting the keyboard down in it a bit would be better... but would reduce the options I have for where I set peripherals, and not let me move my board to the side for gaming.1) I hate all cases and any height they add, so I lay the PCB directly on the table.
2) I wish MX Blues were louder.
3) Plates are an abomination.
Don't you even want a piece of ply or something to protect the traces?
GVim, you're welcome.1. I hate 60% boards, and rarely use my Poker 2. The lack of arrow keys kills me, and I can never be productive or get serious work done on one.
Obviously 60% boards were made for people who spend their life in Vim. Otherwise, they do not make sense.
People that spend their lives in vim should consider a life upgrade. Just sayin'... I use vim out of necessity and convenience rather than preference. I much prefer a gui based text editor such as notepad++.
In reality 60% boards are great for saving space where it is needed. My preference in layout is ANSI TKL.
GVim, you're welcome.1. I hate 60% boards, and rarely use my Poker 2. The lack of arrow keys kills me, and I can never be productive or get serious work done on one.
Obviously 60% boards were made for people who spend their life in Vim. Otherwise, they do not make sense.
People that spend their lives in vim should consider a life upgrade. Just sayin'... I use vim out of necessity and convenience rather than preference. I much prefer a gui based text editor such as notepad++.
In reality 60% boards are great for saving space where it is needed. My preference in layout is ANSI TKL.
2) I wish MX Blues were significantly louder with a much lower pitch.
Yes. It has precisely one advantage: the user interface appears intuitive to people already brain-damaged by DOS/Windows. Unsurprisingly, it correlates with the opinion that text processors were a good idea.GVim, you're welcome.1. I hate 60% boards, and rarely use my Poker 2. The lack of arrow keys kills me, and I can never be productive or get serious work done on one.
Obviously 60% boards were made for people who spend their life in Vim. Otherwise, they do not make sense.
People that spend their lives in vim should consider a life upgrade. Just sayin'... I use vim out of necessity and convenience rather than preference. I much prefer a gui based text editor such as notepad++.
In reality 60% boards are great for saving space where it is needed. My preference in layout is ANSI TKL.
Have you tried notepad++? You're welcome.
I think caps lock and num lock are stupid concepts which should have been retired 20 years ago.
It's useful if you program in a language that uses caps a lot, like C. I wouldn't particulary want to type this without the aid of a caps lock[:No, it still sucks. What you want is a shortcut which capitalizes either the current word or the selection, and then you type your constant name in lower case and press that shortcut at the end.
It's useful if you program in a language that uses caps a lot, like C. I wouldn't particulary want to type this without the aid of a caps lock[:No, it still sucks. What you want is a shortcut which capitalizes either the current word or the selection, and then you type your constant name in lower case and press that shortcut at the end.
Modes are evil. If you really need a mode, at least make sure it requires actively holding a key down, like the shift key. (Put the shifter on a thumb key or a foot pedal if it helps.)
GVim, you're welcome.1. I hate 60% boards, and rarely use my Poker 2. The lack of arrow keys kills me, and I can never be productive or get serious work done on one.
Obviously 60% boards were made for people who spend their life in Vim. Otherwise, they do not make sense.
People that spend their lives in vim should consider a life upgrade. Just sayin'... I use vim out of necessity and convenience rather than preference. I much prefer a gui based text editor such as notepad++.
In reality 60% boards are great for saving space where it is needed. My preference in layout is ANSI TKL.
Have you tried notepad++? You're welcome.
I still disagree that [caps lock] sucks. I'm one of the extreme minority of people that capitalize letters by double-tapping Caps lock. Is it inefficient and stupid? Perhaps, but I maintain about 95 WPM, so I don't really see the value in learning the "correct" way to apply Caps.You’d be much better off with a key to capitalize just the immediately following letter.
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I still disagree that [caps lock] sucks. I'm one of the extreme minority of people that capitalize letters by double-tapping Caps lock. Is it inefficient and stupid? Perhaps, but I maintain about 95 WPM, so I don't really see the value in learning the "correct" way to apply Caps.You’d be much better off with a key to capitalize just the immediately following letter.
Or perhaps a key which acts like shift if you hold it down, but capitalizes just the next letter if you quickly press and release it.
I guess I'm not following your comment.The problem with caps lock is that creates a mode, which causes mistakes when you turn it on accidentally or leave it on after you expect. While in the caps lock mode, all the keys on the keyboard behave differently, in a rather arbitrary way. Shift + letter doesn’t always produce the same character as hold caps lock + letter + release caps lock. This is confusing and unnecessary.
I guess I'm not following your comment.You want a key (let’s call it ◊) which, when you press it, causes the immediately following key to be treated as if shift is held down.
So pressing ◊ then x makes X, or pressing ◊ then 7 makes &, or ◊ then \ makes |, etc.
If you don’t press another key within a few seconds afterward, you probably want to ignore the ◊ key and let the next key just type a lower-case letter.
Optionally, you could combine this with the shift key, so holding down ◊, pressing a, b, c, then releasing ◊ key would type ABC.
HHKBs are overpriced and aren't as great as everyone makes them out to be. They're not better than a similar keyboard that costs half as much; people just need to find a way to justify such a large amount of money and rationalize it that way. It's a status symbol.
It's a novel idea for sure, but I'm thinking it would be more efficient with traditional shift; can't you type simultaneous keys faster than sequential?
The problem with caps lock is that creates a mode, which causes mistakes when you turn it on accidentally or leave it on after you expect. While in the caps lock mode, all the keys on the keyboard behave differently, in a rather arbitrary way. Shift + letter doesn’t always produce the same character as hold caps lock + letter + release caps lock. This is confusing and unnecessary.
The only real advantage to caps lock vs. holding a shift key down is that holding shift gets uncomfortable with some combinations, but with caps lock you can strike the keys one at a time instead of needing to make a chord.
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If you want to use caps lock to capitalize long stretches of text, and don’t like holding down shift or repeatedly pressing a ◊-like key, you’d be better off typing the text in lower case and then at the end invoking some command which capitalizes the whole word, line, or selection. Exactly what keystroke should invoke that command, how it should work, etc. depends on your personal preferences, and what kind of keystrokes you use for other navigation and selection commands. Basically all text editors currently have ****ty default setups for all of these basic functions, so I recommend customizing something to suit your own personal preferences.
If you’re manually typing hundreds of names like C04AHU16-P6STS into a freeform text field, then IMO there’s probably something horribly wrong with the overall process that goes way beyond caps lock. But in any case, yes, I would rather type that as c04ahu16-p6sts and then afterward press a key/shortcut to invoke a "capitalize the previous word" command, instead of using a mode. It ends up taking one fewer keystroke, and in addition you eliminate the mode.
For me personally, caps lock has zero uses. I literally never use it. There are faster and easier ways to accomplish everything I can imagine ever wanting to do with a caps lock key.
Are you actually trying to shave off two keystrokesNo, I don’t care at all about two keystrokes. I’m trying to eliminate the mode, as I said several times. :-)
Are you actually trying to shave off two keystrokesNo, I don’t care at all about two keystrokes. I’m trying to eliminate the mode, as I said several times. :-)
And yes, this is something I have implemented. I have a systemwide shortcut which marks the current insertion point, selects the current word, invokes a 'capitalize' command, and then restores the insertion point, and another shortcut which capitalizes the current selection. (In a more capable text editor, those two can be combined.)
For me personally, caps lock has zero uses. I literally never use it.
I wouldn't mind seeing it replacing the Pause/Break button as I haven't used that once in my 22 years of computing. Frees up the prime real estate of the current CapsLock while leaving it as an option for those who use it.
Could make an interesting poll to see who uses it these days.
Does that key even do anything in Windows? Like, I literally have no idea what it's supposed to do. I have never used it for anything ever.
Same for Insert. OK yes it does something and I know what it does, but I've never found its behavior really useful. Remembering it and remembering to turn it back off and correcting for word length differences is more annoying than just shift+arrowing to select text and hitting backspace or delete. >_>;
Also the menu key is useless and should be replaced with something actually worthwhile like FN or just not there at all. Same with Menu as with Capslock, on the Code it's FN for the LEDs, on the F it's FN for accessing the F keys.
Ctrl+Break stops the execution of a command line program. If you use CLI, it's indispensable. If not, you prob have no use for it at all.
There are many other advantages of caps lock versus using shift. For example, I work in commercial building operation. When naming points and doing graphics, we often use all-caps. The letters are mixed with numbers though, making holding shift a lot more work than it's worth. With hundreds of names like "C04AHU16-P6STS", caps lock makes it a breeze. Using caps-lock makes the keyboard act exactly the same as without, just the letters are capitalized, leaving the numbers and symbols all the same so you can just type everything normally without thinking about it.
If you’re manually typing hundreds of names like C04AHU16-P6STS into a freeform text field, then IMO there’s probably something horribly wrong with the overall process that goes way beyond caps lock.
And yes, this is something I have implemented. I have a systemwide shortcut which marks the current insertion point, selects the current word, invokes a 'capitalize' command, and then restores the insertion point, and another shortcut which capitalizes the current selection. (In a more capable text editor, those two can be combined.)
If you have powerful text selection commands (for selecting in various directions by subwords/words/lines/sentences/paragraphs/screens, then it becomes a snap to quickly select specific chunks of text and invoke commands on the selection. This is more general and more powerful than just having a 'caps lock' key, because there are many things besides just capitalizing that I might want to do with some chunk of text.
1. (ANSI layout) Esc should be above tab, next to the 1-key, |\ and ~` should be where backspace is on standard keyboards, backspace should be where |\ normally is. LCtrl and CapsLock should be swapped.
2. I can't stand the <> being left of z on ISO keyboards, even worse, I really really dislike the huge enter key on ISO keyboards...
3. What's with the idiotic decision of placing {[]} on the third layer, having to use AltGraph to type them in Nordic layouts?
4. Instead of trying to get rid of capslock-mode, why don't we just teach everybody vim, then we would have full fledged modes to work with :p
The <> keys aren't to the left of the Z on ISO boards, the |\ key is...They are, depending on particular national layout. The key itself returns an unique keycode though. I remap it to diacritic marks (as dead keys). Some people shift the ZXCVB cluster one key to the left, because this "angle mod" is more ergonomic than stock staggered QWERTY. Others use it as a layer toggle (see the Neo layout, for example).
The <> keys aren't to the left of the Z on ISO boards, the |\ key is...They are, depending on particular national layout. The key itself returns an unique keycode though. I remap it to diacritic marks (as dead keys). Some people shift the ZXCVB cluster one key to the left, because this "angle mod" is more ergonomic than stock staggered QWERTY. Others use it as a layer toggle (see the Neo layout, for example).
I have an unpopular keyboard opinion:
The 2012 Razer Blackwidow Ultimate with Cherry MX Blue switches is actually a very well built keyboard, with the exception of the keycaps (which are quite dismal).
Of all my keyboards, the case is the most sturdy and thoroughly put together.
I have an unpopular keyboard opinion:
The 2012 Razer Blackwidow Ultimate with Cherry MX Blue switches is actually a very well built keyboard, with the exception of the keycaps (which are quite dismal).
Of all my keyboards, the case is the most sturdy and thoroughly put together.
You have several Model Ms...
I have an unpopular keyboard opinion:
The 2012 Razer Blackwidow Ultimate with Cherry MX Blue switches is actually a very well built keyboard, with the exception of the keycaps (which are quite dismal).
Of all my keyboards, the case is the most sturdy and thoroughly put together.
You have several Model Ms...
I am aware of that. They aren't as rigid or solid as my 2012 BW. One of the Ms is even bolt-modded.
I have an unpopular keyboard opinion:
The 2012 Razer Blackwidow Ultimate with Cherry MX Blue switches is actually a very well built keyboard, with the exception of the keycaps (which are quite dismal).
Of all my keyboards, the case is the most sturdy and thoroughly put together.
I have an unpopular keyboard opinion:
The 2012 Razer Blackwidow Ultimate with Cherry MX Blue switches is actually a very well built keyboard, with the exception of the keycaps (which are quite dismal).
Of all my keyboards, the case is the most sturdy and thoroughly put together.
You have several Model Ms...
I am aware of that. They aren't as rigid or solid as my 2012 BW. One of the Ms is even bolt-modded.
I have an unpopular keyboard opinion:
The 2012 Razer Blackwidow Ultimate with Cherry MX Blue switches is actually a very well built keyboard, with the exception of the keycaps (which are quite dismal).
Of all my keyboards, the case is the most sturdy and thoroughly put together.
You have several Model Ms...
I am aware of that. They aren't as rigid or solid as my 2012 BW. One of the Ms is even bolt-modded.
weeeeeeeeelllllllll about that....
I have an unpopular keyboard opinion:
The 2012 Razer Blackwidow Ultimate with Cherry MX Blue switches is actually a very well built keyboard, with the exception of the keycaps (which are quite dismal).
Of all my keyboards, the case is the most sturdy and thoroughly put together.
You have several Model Ms...
I am aware of that. They aren't as rigid or solid as my 2012 BW. One of the Ms is even bolt-modded.
weeeeeeeeelllllllll about that....
It's just the truth. Both my Model M cases, and really all the cases I have, make all kinds of noises when you apply any kind of flex to them.
The BW (keep in mind it's not the same as the newer ones) is tight as a drum. Not a peep under flex/torsion. I took it apart once and it's held together by a ton of screws. The inside of the case is also quite well done... nice PCB (nearly black), lots of supports, and a nice plate. It weighs about the same as the Model M full size.
Don't get me wrong, I love my Ms, and I use them a lot more. That doesn't mean that everything about them is better, though.
If you want to talk about tinny/cheap cases though, the Chicony feels like it's made from a Kinder Surprise...
Why are we arguing which would win? Both Model Ms and the Black Widow suck.
Yeah, because you're always in control of what you need to enter.As a programmer, pretty much. If I’m manually typing too much boilerplate or bull****, then I’m doing something wrong, and something needs a better abstraction or needs to be automated.
I have a systemwide shortcut which marks the current insertion point, selects the current word, invokes a 'capitalize' command, and then restores the insertion point, and another shortcut which capitalizes the current selection. (In a more capable text editor, those two can be combined.)
If you have powerful text selection commands (for selecting in various directions by subwords/words/lines/sentences/paragraphs/screens, then it becomes a snap to quickly select specific chunks of text and invoke commands on the selection. This is more general and more powerful than just having a 'caps lock' key, because there are many things besides just capitalizing that I might want to do with some chunk of text.
Which you're doing at a software level. You want your keyboard controller to do that? Just how would I tell a keyboard to select a sentence in order to capitalize it? And in what world would you, knowing that you need that sentence capitalized, write it first and then capitalize?The best level to handle these things depends on the text editor, operating system, and keyboard firmware in use. Unfortunately, because these things have evolved in a messy historical process, there are like 6–10 distinct layers of interpretation between physically pressing a key and access to the event by GUI software, especially e.g. on web pages. Those layers interact in complex and often stupid ways, because the people who built them solved particular needs instead of making properly general abstract models, and it’s somewhere between pathologically difficult and impossible to change several of them, depending on the operating system. This makes it basically impossible to have full control as a user over the way a keyboard interacts with a GUI. The best we can do is patch a few things here and a few things there. Having full control over the keyboard firmware makes many things much easier though.
It's just the truth. Both my Model M cases, and really all the cases I have, make all kinds of noises when you apply any kind of flex to them.
The BW (keep in mind it's not the same as the newer ones) is tight as a drum. Not a peep under flex/torsion. I took it apart once and it's held together by a ton of screws. The inside of the case is also quite well done... nice PCB (nearly black), lots of supports, and a nice plate. It weighs about the same as the Model M full size.
Don't get me wrong, I love my Ms, and I use them a lot more. That doesn't mean that everything about them is better, though.
If you want to talk about tinny/cheap cases though, the Chicony feels like it's made from a Kinder Surprise...
The BlackWidow Ultimate weighs around 1500g (http://www.pcmag.com/article2/0,2817,2456080,00.asp). The Model M weighs 2000g - 2500g (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Model_M_keyboard)
Why are we arguing which would win? Both Model Ms and the Black Widow suck.
Why are we arguing which would win? Both Model Ms and the Black Widow suck.Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/z1XzkLl.png)
Why are we arguing which would win? Both Model Ms and the Black Widow suck.Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/z1XzkLl.png)Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/uONOMSZ.png)
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It's just the truth. Both my Model M cases, and really all the cases I have, make all kinds of noises when you apply any kind of flex to them.
The BW (keep in mind it's not the same as the newer ones) is tight as a drum. Not a peep under flex/torsion. I took it apart once and it's held together by a ton of screws. The inside of the case is also quite well done... nice PCB (nearly black), lots of supports, and a nice plate. It weighs about the same as the Model M full size.
Don't get me wrong, I love my Ms, and I use them a lot more. That doesn't mean that everything about them is better, though.
If you want to talk about tinny/cheap cases though, the Chicony feels like it's made from a Kinder Surprise...
The BlackWidow Ultimate weighs around 1500g (http://www.pcmag.com/article2/0,2817,2456080,00.asp). The Model M weighs 2000g - 2500g (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Model_M_keyboard)
I just weighed them both and the BW is about 4/5 the weight of the M. Not that far off and still both quite heavy.
Having a heavy plate isn't enough to make it better put together, though, which is my point. There is no play, flex, squeaks, or anything that I can observe when applying force to the BW case.
It's drum-tight, uses a bunch more screws and reinforcement inside.
My Model Ms, despite one being bolt-modded, still makes a bunch of case noise and there is some play. I can just pick either one up by the sides and squeeze lightly and it makes the typical plasticky noises. There just isn't the reinforcement there. There's also no attention to detail inside the keyboard, and the plastic rivets were never going to make for a solid case.Why are we arguing which would win? Both Model Ms and the Black Widow suck.
There is no "win"... Just that the older BW has a more solid case with more attention to detail than any other board I have.
My 87U top case shifts 1mm left/right, even.
It's just the truth. Both my Model M cases, and really all the cases I have, make all kinds of noises when you apply any kind of flex to them.
The BW (keep in mind it's not the same as the newer ones) is tight as a drum. Not a peep under flex/torsion. I took it apart once and it's held together by a ton of screws. The inside of the case is also quite well done... nice PCB (nearly black), lots of supports, and a nice plate. It weighs about the same as the Model M full size.
Don't get me wrong, I love my Ms, and I use them a lot more. That doesn't mean that everything about them is better, though.
If you want to talk about tinny/cheap cases though, the Chicony feels like it's made from a Kinder Surprise...
The BlackWidow Ultimate weighs around 1500g (http://www.pcmag.com/article2/0,2817,2456080,00.asp). The Model M weighs 2000g - 2500g (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Model_M_keyboard)
I just weighed them both and the BW is about 4/5 the weight of the M. Not that far off and still both quite heavy.
Having a heavy plate isn't enough to make it better put together, though, which is my point. There is no play, flex, squeaks, or anything that I can observe when applying force to the BW case.
It's drum-tight, uses a bunch more screws and reinforcement inside.
My Model Ms, despite one being bolt-modded, still makes a bunch of case noise and there is some play. I can just pick either one up by the sides and squeeze lightly and it makes the typical plasticky noises. There just isn't the reinforcement there. There's also no attention to detail inside the keyboard, and the plastic rivets were never going to make for a solid case.Why are we arguing which would win? Both Model Ms and the Black Widow suck.
There is no "win"... Just that the older BW has a more solid case with more attention to detail than any other board I have.
My 87U top case shifts 1mm left/right, even.
A friend has a 2012 (or 13) BW and really likes it. I suspect that as they moved to cheaper switches they also moved to cheaper cases though.
Same for Insert. OK yes it does something and I know what it does, but I've never found its behavior really useful. Remembering it and remembering to turn it back off and correcting for word length differences is more annoying than just shift+arrowing to select text and hitting backspace or delete. >_>;
Yeah, because you're always in control of what you need to enter.As a programmer, pretty much. If I’m manually typing too much boilerplate or bull****, then I’m doing something wrong, and something needs a better abstraction or needs to be automated.Quote from: jacobolusI have a systemwide shortcut which marks the current insertion point, selects the current word, invokes a 'capitalize' command, and then restores the insertion point, and another shortcut which capitalizes the current selection. (In a more capable text editor, those two can be combined.)
If you have powerful text selection commands (for selecting in various directions by subwords/words/lines/sentences/paragraphs/screens, then it becomes a snap to quickly select specific chunks of text and invoke commands on the selection. This is more general and more powerful than just having a 'caps lock' key, because there are many things besides just capitalizing that I might want to do with some chunk of text.Quote from: syplWhich you're doing at a software level. You want your keyboard controller to do that? Just how would I tell a keyboard to select a sentence in order to capitalize it? And in what world would you, knowing that you need that sentence capitalized, write it first and then capitalize?The best level to handle these things depends on the text editor, operating system, and keyboard firmware in use. Unfortunately, because these things have evolved in a messy historical process, there are like 6–10 distinct layers of interpretation between physically pressing a key and access to the event by GUI software, especially e.g. on web pages. Those layers interact in complex and often stupid ways, because the people who built them solved particular needs instead of making properly general abstract models, and it’s somewhere between pathologically difficult and impossible to change several of them, depending on the operating system. This makes it basically impossible to have full control as a user over the way a keyboard interacts with a GUI. The best we can do is patch a few things here and a few things there. Having full control over the keyboard firmware makes many things much easier though.
i am glad no one said g710+ was a good keyboard.I don't get it either. It's literally a g710 with browns and ****ty o-rings
:)
Alps are cool, but unless matias can mass produce pbt keycaps, it will stay a niche. [...] Your stock keycaps are usually OKHow do you reconcile these two claims?
Non-sculpted keycaps are better than cherry profileCan you explain why you think this?
Alps are cool, but unless matias can mass produce pbt keycaps, it will stay a niche. [...] Your stock keycaps are usually OKHow do you reconcile these two claims?QuoteNon-sculpted keycaps are better than cherry profileCan you explain why you think this?
He has rethought that out, as stock abs is different than other abs, it's lower quality, and you are basing your opinion on someone else's?Alps are cool, but unless matias can mass produce pbt keycaps, it will stay a niche. [...] Your stock keycaps are usually OKHow do you reconcile these two claims?QuoteNon-sculpted keycaps are better than cherry profileCan you explain why you think this?
1. A lot of people still want pbt keycaps, even though I don't think they're important. People like snipars think it's unbearable to type on abs, so alps really isn't an option
2. This doesn't really come up if the keysets are blank, but cherry profile isn't as useful to me as the ability to move around letters, if I switch my layout.
He has rethought that out, as stock abs is different than other abs, it's lower quality, and you are basing your opinion on someone else's?Alps are cool, but unless matias can mass produce pbt keycaps, it will stay a niche. [...] Your stock keycaps are usually OKHow do you reconcile these two claims?QuoteNon-sculpted keycaps are better than cherry profileCan you explain why you think this?
1. A lot of people still want pbt keycaps, even though I don't think they're important. People like snipars think it's unbearable to type on abs, so alps really isn't an option
2. This doesn't really come up if the keysets are blank, but cherry profile isn't as useful to me as the ability to move around letters, if I switch my layout.
Unpopular opinion, I think, is that we don't need so many windows keys, esp in group buys. A lot of folks use Mac, Linux, Unix, etc. The hegemony of win/menu pairings is frustrating. Let's have some other keys in the mix!
(Seriously, I know the windows keys shortcuts are useful for many, but who wants the windows logo on their keyboard? Is windows so lovely? )
1. A lot of people still want pbt keycaps, even though I don't think they're important. People like snipars think it's unbearable to type on abs, so alps really isn't an option
2. This doesn't really come up if the keysets are blank, but cherry profile isn't as useful to me as the ability to move around letters, if I switch my layout.
Its mostly windows keys because that is the majority of users, blank would look weird with other legend keys around it, and also most manufactures already have the tooling for windows keys.Unpopular opinion, I think, is that we don't need so many windows keys, esp in group buys. A lot of folks use Mac, Linux, Unix, etc. The hegemony of win/menu pairings is frustrating. Let's have some other keys in the mix!
(Seriously, I know the windows keys shortcuts are useful for many, but who wants the windows logo on their keyboard? Is windows so lovely? )
It would probably be just as well if they just made them blank. Might it be because so many boards don't support Mac properly?
Its mostly windows keys because that is the majority of users, blank would look weird with other legend keys around it, and also most manufactures already have the tooling for windows keys.Unpopular opinion, I think, is that we don't need so many windows keys, esp in group buys. A lot of folks use Mac, Linux, Unix, etc. The hegemony of win/menu pairings is frustrating. Let's have some other keys in the mix!
(Seriously, I know the windows keys shortcuts are useful for many, but who wants the windows logo on their keyboard? Is windows so lovely? )
It would probably be just as well if they just made them blank. Might it be because so many boards don't support
Mac properly?
The 456 and 356 Korean keyboards are overhyped and overpriced. $500 on a custom keyboard is already a **** ton of money, but spending $1k+ on a keyboard is just silly, even if you are making 6 figures or more a year.who's spending more that $1k on a 456? or plenty of 356 for that matter
The 456 and 356 Korean keyboards are overhyped and overpriced. $500 on a custom keyboard is already a **** ton of money, but spending $1k+ on a keyboard is just silly, even if you are making 6 figures or more a year.who's spending more that $1k on a 456? or plenty of 356 for that matter
I mean that's with a $140 set, cable, and case, and I still thought that price was pretty high.The 456 and 356 Korean keyboards are overhyped and overpriced. $500 on a custom keyboard is already a **** ton of money, but spending $1k+ on a keyboard is just silly, even if you are making 6 figures or more a year.who's spending more that $1k on a 456? or plenty of 356 for that matter
Someone apparently. (https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=70403.0) And I've seen people appraise some of those keyboards north of $1k in the price check thread. It might have been due to color, but still.
I mean that's with a $140 set, cable, and case, and I still thought that price was pretty high.The 456 and 356 Korean keyboards are overhyped and overpriced. $500 on a custom keyboard is already a **** ton of money, but spending $1k+ on a keyboard is just silly, even if you are making 6 figures or more a year.who's spending more that $1k on a 456? or plenty of 356 for that matter
Someone apparently. (https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=70403.0) And I've seen people appraise some of those keyboards north of $1k in the price check thread. It might have been due to color, but still.
I believe most of you would disagree, but I think Hyperfuse and Miami keyset are really ugly...I like hyperfuse but I agree on Miami
I believe most of you would disagree, but I think Hyperfuse and Miami keyset are really ugly...
I believe most of you would disagree, but I think Hyperfuse and Miami keyset are really ugly...+1
Blue Cherry MX clicks soothes the soul.damn straight
Blue Cherry MX clicks soothes the soul.
Blue Cherry MX clicks soothes the soul.
I believe most of you would disagree, but I think Hyperfuse and Miami keyset are really ugly...
I believe most of you would disagree, but I think Hyperfuse and Miami keyset are really ugly...
I believe most of you would disagree, but I think Hyperfuse and Miami keyset are really ugly...
I have a Miami set and would agree, ha.
imo, plate with holes for opening switches is ridiculous... You are not going to change your switches as often as keycaps. I think most people just stay with the same switches after they assembly the keyboard. I really don't get the idea of plate with "holes"
[...] Model Ms [...] suck.
[...] Model Ms [...] suck.
I know you've already explained this, but I still need to call you out for it.
>:D
Why do you care so much what other people think of Model M keyboards?
Good question. Maybe I shouldn't. Thanks.
[...] Model Ms [...] suck.
I know you've already explained this, but I still need to call you out for it.
>:D
Here's a shocker for most of you guys.
I prefer the feel of stock keycaps.
:D
So I've gone through IMSTO PBT, GMK ABS Double Shot ABS, Vortex Double Shot PBT, Vortex Grey PBT Blank (Similar to Poker stock PBT), and in the end I went back to stock thin ABS keycaps on my Filco (MX Red).
I was trying to find the perfect keycaps but in the end PBT is just too harsh for me. I like how ABS absorbs a bit of the vibration and feels more "comfortable" to use.
Here is another unpopular opinion, I also like the feel of coated backlit keycaps LOLLLLL.
I like the feel of softer keycaps, if only this was more resistant to shine then it would've been perfect.
[...] Model Ms [...] suck.
I know you've already explained this, but I still need to call you out for it.
>:D
Model Ms are the Cherry MY of the Buckling Spring world. Sure, we call them mechanical, but they're still just mediocre to crappy feeling membrane boards in a fancy suit.
You just haven't tried the Black MY switches or new fresh out the box MY switches. They feel like a linear version of Model Ms. Both are disappointing, only one of them is overrated and the other is demonized.
Here's a shocker for most of you guys.
I prefer the feel of stock keycaps.
:D
So I've gone through IMSTO PBT, GMK ABS Double Shot ABS, Vortex Double Shot PBT, Vortex Grey PBT Blank (Similar to Poker stock PBT), and in the end I went back to stock thin ABS keycaps on my Filco (MX Red).
I was trying to find the perfect keycaps but in the end PBT is just too harsh for me. I like how ABS absorbs a bit of the vibration and feels more "comfortable" to use.
Here is another unpopular opinion, I also like the feel of coated backlit keycaps LOLLLLL.
I like the feel of softer keycaps, if only this was more resistant to shine then it would've been perfect.
:eek: :eek: :eek:
I guess this is good for you, though. Much cheaper than the alternative. :))
[Cherry MY] feel like a linear version of Model Ms.This doesn’t make any sense.
[Cherry MY] feel like a linear version of Model Ms.This doesn’t even make sense.
[Cherry MY] feel like a linear version of Model Ms.This doesn’t even make sense.
It makes perfect sense. It feels like the dime a dozen spring over membrane typewriter keyboards that are basically a Model M without a hammer in their operation. Since they are both spring over membrane (Model Ms just have a hammer), it is not unreasonable to say that it feels like a linear version of a Model M.
I think using phantom with 1.25x bottom row ansi layout in filco stock case is ridiculous
I should be more clear, i mean exact same layout as a ansi filco. I have seen that few time. I feel that way because you can simply put a different controller in it and reprogram the whole thing. of course, split backspace is cool :pI think using phantom with 1.25x bottom row ansi layout in filco stock case is ridiculous
But what if you have split backspace and reprogram other aspects of the board?
I should be more clear, i mean exact same layout as a ansi filco. I have seen that few time. I feel that way because you can simply put a different controller in it and reprogram the whole thing. of course, split backspace is cool :pI think using phantom with 1.25x bottom row ansi layout in filco stock case is ridiculous
But what if you have split backspace and reprogram other aspects of the board?
LOL, what a funny topic. The forum's delightful bulleted-list feature was made for this.Sure some people might put caps on their board because other people are, but I know I do it to support the artist, because thats what it is, a work of art for your keyboard.
- Model M's are awesome, but paying 2–3x as much for a SSK? Because they're smaller and cuter or something? Okay, there's the rarity/collectability thing—but what if a sudden career change requires you to become an accountant? Then there you are, stuck with a goofy "embedded" numpad for which you paid all that extra dough. This could happen to any of us.
- 60% keyboards are goofy for most people. But what if you're a coder who uses Vim or Emacs or another text editor that lets you do anything in the universe without moving your arms? In fact, I always assumed 60% were designed for those people, for whom any more % is a waste. If you're not one of these people, don't get a 60% and stop whining.
- Gaming keyboards that look like Star Wars props. Maybe you should just get out more?
- $200 keycaps with little robot faces? Hello? I can't help thinking of "The Emperor's New Clothes", remember that story? Sometimes people indulge in the goofiest things just to feel included. "Yeah, these guys think these little $200 robot-face keycaps are really cool, so they must be worth all that dough. After all, they're not just keycaps—they have little robot faces!" Sorry, but buying into random high-priced stuff just because other people are doing it is a sign of neediness, not individuality. A new Mercedes may be ridiculously overpriced—but unlike an artsy-craftsy un-ergonomic raised-surface keycap, your experience of using it will probably be an improvement. And it actually means something—it's a car.
- Backlighting. So you're looking at your KB when you use it? You're not a touch typist then? This you want to advertise? Blank keys, now, that's impressive. You'd probably want to backlight those too, though.
- The tattoos-all-over-your-body thing. Did you know that for most of the 19th and 20th centuries people like that were considered freaks, and other people paid to gape at them in circus sideshows because they were so horrendously odd? And that now, with so many people doing that to themselves, it's not even odd anymore—so all you are is a common freak? What's next, people festooning their bodies with little robot-face keycaps? (That's why this is keyboard-related.)
FC660M is the ONE TRUE LAYOUT!
Here we go.....
Most Artisan caps look like chewed gum and are horribly overrated IMO.
*runs and hides in back alley.
FC660M is the ONE TRUE LAYOUT!
FC660M is the ONE TRUE LAYOUT!
That is pretty unpopular. Right up there with love for 75% boards. There's just so much wasted space.
Here we go.....
Most Artisan caps look like chewed gum and are horribly overrated IMO.
*runs and hides in back alley.
Other than the holyoops ones, I would say they pretty much all look like ass.
If I had a nickel for every time someone said they hated artisans...Here we go.....
Most Artisan caps look like chewed gum and are horribly overrated IMO.
*runs and hides in back alley.
This is unpopular? Other than the holyoops ones, I would say they pretty much all look like ass. And who are these people paying for keys, which the better you are as a typist, the less you look at? Those skull ones are particularly awful.
If I had a nickel for every time someone said they hated artisans...Here we go.....
Most Artisan caps look like chewed gum and are horribly overrated IMO.
*runs and hides in back alley.
This is unpopular? Other than the holyoops ones, I would say they pretty much all look like ass. And who are these people paying for keys, which the better you are as a typist, the less you look at? Those skull ones are particularly awful.
Oh Christ, thanks for the giggles. Made my day. :)If I had a nickel for every time someone said they hated artisans...Here we go.....
Most Artisan caps look like chewed gum and are horribly overrated IMO.
*runs and hides in back alley.
This is unpopular? Other than the holyoops ones, I would say they pretty much all look like ass. And who are these people paying for keys, which the better you are as a typist, the less you look at? Those skull ones are particularly awful.
You'd have enough to win a Clack auction on eBay.
- The tattoos-all-over-your-body thing. Did you know that for most of the 19th and 20th centuries people like that were considered freaks, and other people paid to gape at them in circus sideshows because they were so horrendously odd? And that now, with so many people transforming themselves into human versions of 1980's airbrushed custom vans, it's not even odd anymore—so all you are is a common freak? What's next, people gluing little robot-face keycaps all over their bodies? (That's why this is keyboard-related, see... I'm prepared for anything.)
- I think all "gaming" keyboards are ugly.one of the most popular opinions around here :))
- I disdain all keycap sellers that don't make ISO keycaps (especially with Italian legends).
- I disdain all keycap sellers that don't make ISO keycaps (especially with Italian legends).
Let's be realistic here - how many Italians are around here. Yes there are a few, but you've got to accept that you are in a very small minority. A keyset with an Italian legends add-on would sell 5 sets, tops. That is not worth it and will drive up the prices for everyone else.
- I disdain all keycap sellers that don't make ISO keycaps (especially with Italian legends).
Let's be realistic here - how many Italians are around here. Yes there are a few, but you've got to accept that you are in a very small minority. A keyset with an Italian legends add-on would sell 5 sets, tops. That is not worth it and will drive up the prices for everyone else.
The granite approach : big kit for international users, that can be split. Not sure if any set but Granite can pull this off though.
I'm sure this is going to be an unpopular opinion:
I think that stock MX switches are only marginally nicer to type on than a decent quality membrane keyboard. This is based on owning two boards which came with with Clears and Blacks. Both were completely underwhelming. They are not bad, but they are not worth the premiums that mechanical boards usually cost (fortunately my second MX board was massively discounted, and I bought it for an unsual layout and ease of accessing the switch internals).
Mechanical boards can be nice- I've loved my several Model Ms and my Alps boards, but Cherry MX? Nice form factor and key cap options, but from a typing perspective I just don't get the hype.
- I disdain all keycap sellers that don't make ISO keycaps (especially with Italian legends).
Let's be realistic here - how many Italians are around here. Yes there are a few, but you've got to accept that you are in a very small minority. A keyset with an Italian legends add-on would sell 5 sets, tops. That is not worth it and will drive up the prices for everyone else.
The granite approach : big kit for international users, that can be split. Not sure if any set but Granite can pull this off though.
As a european and an ISO user I'm generally happy with this compromise, at least on SP I'm happier with the bargain that I'm paying more for keycaps that I won't use in return for consolidating niche requirements that were always going to fail individually (with the added benefit that I might be making 3 Italians happy).
Better I'm down an extra £18 for a complete set than stuck with a partial set that missed completion by one vote.
I'm not really sure where the critical cost lies for SP since they have given in to special pleading for extras that just missed their tipping point in the past.
I'm sure this is going to be an unpopular opinion:Tell me about your membrane keyboard with NKRO.
I think that stock MX switches are only marginally nicer to type on than a decent quality membrane keyboard. This is based on owning two boards which came with with Clears and Blacks. Both were completely underwhelming. They are not bad, but they are not worth the premiums that mechanical boards usually cost (fortunately my second MX board was massively discounted, and I bought it for an unsual layout and ease of accessing the switch internals).
I mean, NKRO is useful for certain games that require large combinations of keys. I personally have never found a use for more than 6KRO, but some people do. Some people use keyboards for purposes other than typingI'm sure this is going to be an unpopular opinion:Tell me about your membrane keyboard with NKRO.
I think that stock MX switches are only marginally nicer to type on than a decent quality membrane keyboard. This is based on owning two boards which came with with Clears and Blacks. Both were completely underwhelming. They are not bad, but they are not worth the premiums that mechanical boards usually cost (fortunately my second MX board was massively discounted, and I bought it for an unsual layout and ease of accessing the switch internals).
NKRO is completely overrated. For $100+, I want a serious keyboard that is a dream to type on, not a crappy Razer that will let me pwn n00bs.
I'm sure this is going to be an unpopular opinion:Tell me about your membrane keyboard with NKRO.
I think that stock MX switches are only marginally nicer to type on than a decent quality membrane keyboard. This is based on owning two boards which came with with Clears and Blacks. Both were completely underwhelming. They are not bad, but they are not worth the premiums that mechanical boards usually cost (fortunately my second MX board was massively discounted, and I bought it for an unsual layout and ease of accessing the switch internals).
NKRO is completely overrated. For $100+, I want a serious keyboard that is a dream to type on, not a crappy Razer that will let me pwn n00bs.
If the keyboard doesn't distinguish between modifiers and ordinary (single-tap) keys, it's much more elegant and makes remapping easier (e.g., something like a more aggressive wide mod), although it doesn't really matter with 6KRO over USB in practice.
If you want some actual use cases, here you go: stenography, local multiplayer on a single keyboard, piano simulators. I've done each of that over the years.
If the keyboard doesn't distinguish between modifiers and ordinary (single-tap) keys, it's much more elegant and makes remapping easier (e.g., something like a more aggressive wide mod), although it doesn't really matter with 6KRO over USB in practice.
If you want some actual use cases, here you go: stenography, local multiplayer on a single keyboard, piano simulators. I've done each of that over the years.
Riiight... so that's sub one percent of keyboard users? If you need it, good for you. The more power to all the stenographers out there, or people who want to play piano on a computer, instead of, you know, a piano. I'm not sure what "local multiplayer on a single keyboard" means though.
My original point is that IMO, Cherry MX is a bit of a crappy feeling mechanism... it just feels too full of compromises without lots of modification effort. I know this is an unpopular opinion, which is why I posted it in the "unpopular keyboard opinions" thread.
Caps lock is a useful function.
I still disagree that [caps lock] sucks. I'm one of the extreme minority of people that capitalize letters by double-tapping Caps lock. Is it inefficient and stupid? Perhaps, but I maintain about 95 WPM, so I don't really see the value in learning the "correct" way to apply Caps.See:
By the way the typing champion Sean Wrona uses Caps Lock even to type 1 capital leter in a word! It's fascinating, but it's really faster for him to hit Caps Lock twice, than coordinating pushing 2 keys at the same time when he's flying at 200WPM.
https://geekhack.org/showthread.php?25711-proper-touch-typing&p=483599&viewfull=1#post483599 (https://geekhack.org/showthread.php?25711-proper-touch-typing&p=483599&viewfull=1#post483599)
You’d be much better off with a key to capitalize just the immediately following letter.I'm thinking in implementing a key like this.
Or perhaps a key which acts like shift if you hold it down, but capitalizes just the next letter if you quickly press and release it.
AS somebody WHO sometimes LIKES to BE as OBNOXIOUS as POSSIBLE i AGREE!1yOU cAn bE EvEn mOrE AnNoyIng w/O UsIng cAps LOck
I'm thinking in implementing a key like this.i'll see if i can create this using AutoHotkey
Tap = Apply shift to the next key pressed
...
Double tap fast = Toggle caps lock (yeah, capslock is nice to have)
I hate PBT dyesubs, they just look fuzzy
I hate PBT dyesubs, they just look fuzzy
I get the sense that dye sublimation is one of those things that's easy to do, but hard to do right. As opposed to doubleshot molding, which appears to just be hard to do.I hate PBT dyesubs, they just look fuzzy
Need to get you some good dyesub then. A lot of the stuff I see know is that way, but my typewriter stuff is crisp.
I hate PBT dyesubs, they just look fuzzy
Exceedingly rare IBM Model F variants are worth several times the price of new Topre keyboards.Isn’t this just a fact about the market, rather than an opinion?
Exceedingly rare IBM Model F variants are worth several times the price of new Topre keyboards.
You can hoard and hold those dumpster Fs until they become worth using. I can recall that 122Fs used to be useless
-ISO is far superior to ANSI → since keyboard width is narrower than shoulder width, hands naturally angle inward, and the extra top space on ISO Enter comes in handy (have used both ISO and ANSI equally for the last decade) :thumb:
-if you prefer tenkeyless to full, you need more math in your life :D
-purely on form factor alone, M2's are superior to Model M's. F's are fine, because they're like that strange looking face you can't stop staring at. :-*
- Full sized keyboards should all be made with the num pad arrow keys, and so on on the left hand side.
-if you prefer tenkeyless to full, you need more math in your life :D
I hate PBT dyesubs, they just look fuzzyI get the sense that dye sublimation is one of those things that's easy to do, but hard to do right. As opposed to doubleshot molding, which appears to just be hard to do.I hate PBT dyesubs, they just look fuzzy
Need to get you some good dyesub then. A lot of the stuff I see know is that way, but my typewriter stuff is crisp.
-if you prefer tenkeyless to full, you need more math in your life :D
You numb :P pad lovers need to learn to type properly. It's much faster/efficient and more "ergo" to use the number row.
http://www.typing-lessons.org/preliminaries_1.html
How's that for an unpopular opinion?
vintage Browns are the best switches.FTFY
Blacks are ****, vintage blacks are the ****.
Blacks are ****, vintage blacks are the ****.
Blacks are ****, vintage blacks are the ****.
Vintage Blacks are a placebo.
Also, Gaterons are not as smooth as people claim.:))
Blacks are ****, vintage blacks are the ****.
Vintage Blacks are a placebo.
Also, Gaterons are not as smooth as people claim.
Blacks are ****, vintage blacks are the ****.
Vintage Blacks are a placebo.
years of friction wear down the stems
Also, Gaterons are not as smooth as people claim.:))
The number pad on computer keyboards is upside down. It should go in the same order as a telephone.Having a numpad in a little square is stupid. It should be something like:
The number pad on computer keyboards is upside down. It should go in the same order as a telephone.Having a numpad in a little square is stupid. It should be something like:Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/ofeQEC9.png)
(Don�t worry too much about the precise shape here, just the general idea.)
Do people argue that? I just see people talking about vintage switches in reference to older, very used switches. Only time I hear about a different material is with blues.Blacks are ****, vintage blacks are the ****.
Vintage Blacks are a placebo.
years of friction wear down the stems
That's why I say old, well used Blacks are smooth, it has nothing to do with the "vintage" pedigree. It's why well used Browns and Blues can be quite nice compared to new. Even so, people argue that unused "vintage" blacks are super smooth.
well, off center hits are gonna be pressing the stem closer to the housing, so I'm not surprised it's a little less smooth. Though in regular typing I don't really hit off center enough to notice itAlso, Gaterons are not as smooth as people claim.:))
Press them slowly or off center. Mine all feel a little gritty, better than new Blacks, but worse than well used Blacks. If you hit them perfectly straight, they do feel very smooth, but who has perfect up and down key strokes?
That is quite a trip. I like it. :) Though having a number like 7 under the middle finger seems kind of a waste. Perhaps having 9 and 0 on the thumb would be better, and having it split like 1234/5678/90 (with 7 under a wimpy ring finger) would be best.The idea is to split up the low numbers 0–4, which should be most common, across the “home” position for the five fingers on the right hand, putting 0, 1, and 2 on the strongest fingers.
Do people argue that? I just see people talking about vintage switches in reference to older, very used switches. Only time I hear about a different material is with blues.Yes, if you find mint condition MX black switches from circa 1990, and mint condition MX black switches from 2015, there is an obvious difference between the smoothness of the two. The “vintage” MX switches still aren’t as nice as white space invaders, green Alps, or red Matias switches (among others), but they’re dramatically nicer than modern linear MX switches.
Exceedingly rare IBM Model F variants are worth several times the price of new Topre keyboards.
-ISO is far superior to ANSI → since keyboard width is narrower than shoulder width, hands naturally angle inward, and the extra top space on ISO Enter comes in handy (have used both ISO and ANSI equally for the last decade) :thumb:
-if you prefer tenkeyless to full, you need more math in your life :D
-purely on form factor alone, M2's are superior to Model M's. F's are fine, because they're like that strange looking face you can't stop staring at. :-*
Keyboards that bent the plate as a case looks horrible to me.
I don't like Hyperfuse and Penumbra keyset.
You numb :P pad lovers need to learn to type properly. It's much faster/efficient and more "ergo" to use the number row.
http://www.typing-lessons.org/preliminaries_1.html
How's that for an unpopular opinion?
The number pad on computer keyboards is upside down. It should go in the same order as a telephone.
And for you programmers:Show Image(http://www.decodesystems.com/je600-3.jpg)
The Miami set is hideous.
Having a numpad in a little square is stupid. It should be something like:Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/ofeQEC9.png)
(Don�t worry too much about the precise shape here, just the general idea.)
Anyway, it�s really not worth arguing about. MX switches and MX clones are crappy switches even at their best, and take ridiculous amounts of modding work to turn into something pleasant. We should all just collectively move on.
Your hands don't even leave the home row if you use the number row. Try it sometime, really try it for a few days or weeks, and see how you like it.
Usually though, if you are inputting large amounts of numbers that you need to use the numpad for, they aren't interspersed with letters, so it makes sense you using the numpad. It's close to the arrows and your mouse, you don't need letters with numbers :)
I agree with the 1 next to 0 as well. The numpad is perfectly laid out for sums :)
I understand that using the number row is very unpopular, but to say that it's harder to reach or inefficient in comparison is just "rationalization" at it's finest. Your hands don't even leave the home row if you use the number row. Try it sometime, really try it for a few days or weeks, and see how you like it.Huh? I have 15+ years experience touch typing numbers on the number row, and I use the number row constantly while using standard keyboards..... but it sucks, every time. It requires moving the hands off the home row or twisting the wrist, typing more than 2-3 digits at a time is ridiculously slow and error prone – compared to numbers on a layer closer to the home row or compared to a separate numpad – and some of the numbers (especially 1, 6, and 7) are in very awkward positions. Typing a single digit is fine, but text with shifted-number symbols and frequent multi-digit numbers (not to mention writing mathematical formulae or transcribing numbers from forms, etc.) is a huge pain.
The home row is asdfghjkl; The goal of efficient typing is to try to not move your hands, only your fingers, from the home row. I use modifiers all of the time.
I understand that using the number row is very unpopular, but to say that it's harder to reach or inefficient in comparison is just "rationalization" at it's finest. Your hands don't even leave the home row if you use the number row. Try it sometime, really try it for a few days or weeks, and see how you like it.Huh? I have 15+ years experience touch typing numbers on the number row, and I use the number row constantly while using standard keyboards..... but it sucks, every time. It requires moving the hands off the home row or twisting the wrist, typing more than 2-3 digits at a time is ridiculously slow and error prone � compared to numbers on a layer closer to the home row or compared to a separate numpad � and some of the numbers (especially 1, 6, and 7) are in very awkward positions. Typing a single digit is fine, but text with shifted-number symbols and frequent multi-digit numbers (not to mention writing mathematical formulae or transcribing numbers from forms, etc.) is a huge pain.
You should try putting numbers and symbols on a layer triggered by a fn key. It�s night-and-day better.
Similarly, everyone should move the arrows onto a shifted layer instead of using separate arrow keys, get a split spacebar to put the delete key on, stop using ctrl keys in the corners of the keyboard, etc.
Having all the functions of the keyboard with 40�60 keys in a compact reachable space, ideally with 3�6 keys easily reachable by each thumb, and using layers liberally is dramatically more efficient than using a keyboard with 80�120 keys.
Huh? You just described my experience on the numpad. Error prone and awkward.I promise you, that’s just lack of practice. For someone with equal amounts of practice on both, the numpad wins every time, hands down. (At least as long as all the input is numeric rather than a mix of numbers and words.)
vintage Browns are the best switches.FTFY
Blacks are ****, vintage blacks are the ****.
I think tenkeyless is the most pointless form factor ever devised. :D
I think tenkeyless is the most pointless form factor ever devised. :D
I think tenkeyless is the most pointless form factor ever devised. :D
i don't see how that can even be an actual opinion:
maybe you would never need it, but there are plenty of people who can really use the extra space that you win from removing the numpad.
many, many people never ever use the numpad. so you might as well have the opinion that full-sized is the most pointless form factor ever devised. obviously that would not be true either.
it's like saying a 4+ people car is pointless only because you don't have a family.
it's like saying noise-cancelling phones are pointless because you live in a very quiet environment.
i understand you might not benefit from the size of TKL, but it's ridiculous to say it's pointless.
I think tenkeyless is the most pointless form factor ever devised. :D
i don't see how that can even be an actual opinion:
maybe you would never need it, but there are plenty of people who can really use the extra space that you win from removing the numpad.
many, many people never ever use the numpad. so you might as well have the opinion that full-sized is the most pointless form factor ever devised. obviously that would not be true either.
it's like saying a 4+ people car is pointless only because you don't have a family.
it's like saying noise-cancelling phones are pointless because you live in a very quiet environment.
i understand you might not benefit from the size of TKL, but it's ridiculous to say it's pointless.
I think 60% is the most pointless form factor ever devised. :D
DSA profile is the ugliest thing I have ever seen in my life. Not keycap profile, thing.
i don't see how that can even be an actual opinion:
maybe you would never need it, but there are plenty of people who can really use the extra space that you win from removing the numpad.
many, many people never ever use the numpad. so you might as well have the opinion that full-sized is the most pointless form factor ever devised. obviously that would not be true either.
it's like saying a 4+ people car is pointless only because you don't have a family.
it's like saying noise-cancelling phones are pointless because you live in a very quiet environment.
i understand you might not benefit from the size of TKL, but it's ridiculous to say it's pointless.
You don't have an inverted-T arrow cluster in the tenkey.
You don't have an inverted-T arrow cluster in the tenkey.
I'm going to join the TKL hate. Want more space? Get a 60%. When was the last time you really used scroll lock or pause/break? Does Pause/Break even DO anything?
TK makes infinitely more sense than TKL to me. And retains a numberpad.
You don't have an inverted-T arrow cluster in the tenkey.
Hm. I never even considered the inverted-T as an advantage compared to the plus-shaped arrow cluster on the numpad.
I guess on a programmable board you could make 5 a down arrow. (Having a hardware implemented numlock would be necessary anyway, for OSX.)
Blacks are ****, vintage blacks are the ****.
Vintage Blacks are a placebo.
years of friction wear down the stemsAlso, Gaterons are not as smooth as people claim.:))
I personally haven't done anything to my vintage blacks yet, I have only typed on the board they came on, and now I have started desoldering them. I know mine are so smooth because of years of wear, as with any other switch that is old.Blacks are ****, vintage blacks are the ****.
Vintage Blacks are a placebo.
years of friction wear down the stemsAlso, Gaterons are not as smooth as people claim.:))
yeah but buying them NOS, changing the spring and then preaching about how great the "vintage" switch is, is crap and just sheep repeating what they read.
a lot of people believe because it's old it's the same thing, and it's not. but nobody ever listens to me.
i don't see how that can even be an actual opinion:
maybe you would never need it, but there are plenty of people who can really use the extra space that you win from removing the numpad.
many, many people never ever use the numpad. so you might as well have the opinion that full-sized is the most pointless form factor ever devised. obviously that would not be true either.
it's like saying a 4+ people car is pointless only because you don't have a family.
it's like saying noise-cancelling phones are pointless because you live in a very quiet environment.
i understand you might not benefit from the size of TKL, but it's ridiculous to say it's pointless.
Wow! It seems I did win. People have been flaming away at HHKBs, much-loved brands and community obsessions, and yet never got a single retort.
You don't understand my point. TKL is pointless not because it removes something, it is pointless because it removes the wrong thing. ;) Look at the arrow key cluster. It's 3 full keys wide, and is full of keys I don't remember the last time I ever used. (The ones I do use, like Home, End or Delete, are too far away, and you need to move your wrist - having them on an Fn layer would be a lot more productive.) It also has a lot of empty space.
So what if you removed this, and left the numpad there? You'd get ALL THIS, plus a numpad instead of all the empty space, "Scroll lock" and "Pause/Break" (what does that even DO?)
TKL is pointless because on a numpad you have THE SAME THING (arrows, navigation, ins del), on top of the numbers themselves, in the same desk real estate.
I can't feel the difference between lubed MX black and stock MX black, unless they are lubed with super thick lube.
Now a really unpopular one... I like new MX brown
40% keyboards might look cool, but their functionality is far too limited making them useless.
40% keyboards might look cool, but their functionality is far too limited making them useless.Intended?
I can't feel the difference between lubed MX black and stock MX black, unless they are lubed with super thick lube.
Now a really unpopular one... I like new MX brown
You monster!
SA is underrated.
55g topre is horrible
I can't feel the difference between lubed MX black and stock MX black, unless they are lubed with super thick lube.
Now a really unpopular one... I like new MX brown
You monster!
:)) everyone should enjoy thatcrispycrunchy feeling
I dislike cherry mx blue's.Have to agree. I'm mostly wearing headphones when in front of the computer which dampens the click a lot and then I realized that they don't feel a lot different than Browns.
Pok3r is all hype.
How does this relate to the Pok3r since it aims to improve some weak points of the Poker II?Pok3r is all hype.
I've never liked the Poker 2 really anyway...
How does this relate to the Pok3r since it aims to improve some weak points of the Poker II?Pok3r is all hype.
I've never liked the Poker 2 really anyway...
I get what you mean. I originally was thinking more about internal features.How does this relate to the Pok3r since it aims to improve some weak points of the Poker II?Pok3r is all hype.
I've never liked the Poker 2 really anyway...
No idea.Show Image(https://www.keychatter.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/03/keychatter_2015-03-21_21-25-53-679x350.jpg)Show Image(http://mechanicalkeyboards.com/shop/images/products/large_458_sdc12627.jpg)
They look completely different.
And the names aren't similar either.
99% of people on this board are ****ing idiots.
No, stating an (unpopular) opinion, and those are like arseholes - everyone has one.99% of people on this board are ****ing idiots.tufty laying down the law. :(
Cherry switches produced post 1992 are cheap, disposable ****.well, you certainly feel strongly.
TKL and especially 60% etc is a fad for morons.
Anybody who designs their own custom keyboard and sticks to qwerty / staggered layout, regardless of %, is a ****ing moron.
Artisan keycaps are not art. They are turds with cherry switch adaptors.
It is said that a fool and his money are soon parted. This explains the price of custom keysets, and the drooling spastics who'll climb over each other to have one.
99% of people on this board are ****ing idiots.
99% of the people on this board have different opinions ;)
Cherry switches produced post 1992 are cheap, disposable ****.
TKL and especially 60% etc is a fad for morons.
Anybody who designs their own custom keyboard and sticks to qwerty / staggered layout, regardless of %, is a ****ing moron.
Artisan keycaps are not art. They are turds with cherry switch adaptors.
It is said that a fool and his money are soon parted. This explains the price of custom keysets, and the drooling spastics who'll climb over each other to have one.
99% of people on this board are ****ing idiots.
Cherry switches produced post 1992 are cheap, disposable ****.
TKL and especially 60% etc is a fad for morons.
Anybody who designs their own custom keyboard and sticks to qwerty / staggered layout, regardless of %, is a ****ing moron.
Artisan keycaps are not art. They are turds with cherry switch adaptors.
It is said that a fool and his money are soon parted. This explains the price of custom keysets, and the drooling spastics who'll climb over each other to have one.
99% of people on this board are ****ing idiots.
(http://new2.fjcdn.com/comments/5450088+_d19340d87a93f2d7d1fb7bb9d2293e08.jpg)Cherry switches produced post 1992 are cheap, disposable ****.
TKL and especially 60% etc is a fad for morons.
Anybody who designs their own custom keyboard and sticks to qwerty / staggered layout, regardless of %, is a ****ing moron.
Artisan keycaps are not art. They are turds with cherry switch adaptors.
It is said that a fool and his money are soon parted. This explains the price of custom keysets, and the drooling spastics who'll climb over each other to have one.
99% of people on this board are ****ing idiots.Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/3vZ9T9z.png)
Cherry switches produced post 1992 are cheap, disposable ****.
TKL and especially 60% etc is a fad for morons.
Anybody who designs their own custom keyboard and sticks to qwerty / staggered layout, regardless of %, is a ****ing moron.
Artisan keycaps are not art. They are turds with cherry switch adaptors.
It is said that a fool and his money are soon parted. This explains the price of custom keysets, and the drooling spastics who'll climb over each other to have one.
99% of people on this board are ****ing idiots.Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/3vZ9T9z.png)Show Image(http://new2.fjcdn.com/comments/5450088+_d19340d87a93f2d7d1fb7bb9d2293e08.jpg)
99% of people on this board are ****ing idiots.
tufty laying down the law. :(
Cherry switches produced post 1992 are cheap, disposable ****.(http://i.imgur.com/kTu1a5D.jpg)
TKL and especially 60% etc is a fad for morons.
Anybody who designs their own custom keyboard and sticks to qwerty / staggered layout, regardless of %, is a ****ing moron.
Artisan keycaps are not art. They are turds with cherry switch adaptors.
It is said that a fool and his money are soon parted. This explains the price of custom keysets, and the drooling spastics who'll climb over each other to have one.
99% of people on this board are ****ing idiots.
Cherry switches produced post 1992 are cheap, disposable ****.
TKL and especially 60% etc is a fad for morons.
Anybody who designs their own custom keyboard and sticks to qwerty / staggered layout, regardless of %, is a ****ing moron.
Artisan keycaps are not art. They are turds with cherry switch adaptors.
It is said that a fool and his money are soon parted. This explains the price of custom keysets, and the drooling spastics who'll climb over each other to have one.
99% of people on this board are ****ing idiots.
Cherry switches produced post 1992 are cheap, disposable ****.
TKL and especially 60% etc is a fad for morons.
Anybody who designs their own custom keyboard and sticks to qwerty / staggered layout, regardless of %, is a ****ing moron.
Artisan keycaps are not art. They are turds with cherry switch adaptors.
It is said that a fool and his money are soon parted. This explains the price of custom keysets, and the drooling spastics who'll climb over each other to have one.
99% of people on this board are ****ing idiots.Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/kTu1a5D.jpg)
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When I was a kid, mom used to buy these "Frog and Toad" children's books which was basically the spiel about friendship and keeping your word. I ****ing loved those books.
This looks exactly like Frog, the art style is the same and everything. Thanks for stabbing my childhood. :p
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These ones? I had those.
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These ones? I had those.
Yep. I'm 25 and I still love to pick up those books and read them.
Am I missing something? What is the deal with these suicidal frogs?! :))
Cherry switches produced post 1992 are cheap, disposable ****.
TKL and especially 60% etc is a fad for morons.
Anybody who designs their own custom keyboard and sticks to qwerty / staggered layout, regardless of %, is a ****ing moron.
Artisan keycaps are not art. They are turds with cherry switch adaptors.
It is said that a fool and his money are soon parted. This explains the price of custom keysets, and the drooling spastics who'll climb over each other to have one.
99% of people on this board are ****ing idiots.
Am I missing something? What is the deal with these suicidal frogs?! :))(https://pbs.twimg.com/profile_images/550850543854166018/fQwnsm7O.jpeg)
And you may not like it, but that's just how much it costs to manufacture keysets.The chairman of Signature Plastics, yesterday
And you may not like it, but that's just how much it costs to manufacture keysets.The chairman of Signature Plastics, yesterdayShow Image(http://lineoftheweek.files.wordpress.com/2013/12/moneysex.jpg)
The frog thang comes from 4chan, and is usually used to indicate that someone is feeling bad / suicidal. As I'm not feeling bad or suicidal, and my original post couldn't be taken as indicating that I am, I'll count its total misuse as a partial vindication of my last point.Perhaps we were using it to indicate that we were feeling bad/suicidal after you called us ****ing idiots.
And you may not like it, but that's just how much it costs to manufacture keysets.The chairman of Signature Plastics, yesterdayShow Image(http://lineoftheweek.files.wordpress.com/2013/12/moneysex.jpg)
I don't think you're very familiar with manufacturing.
If you give a flying **** what I think of you, you are a ****ing idiot.The frog thang comes from 4chan, and is usually used to indicate that someone is feeling bad / suicidal. As I'm not feeling bad or suicidal, and my original post couldn't be taken as indicating that I am, I'll count its total misuse as a partial vindication of my last point.Perhaps we were using it to indicate that we were feeling bad/suicidal after you called us ****ing idiots.
If you give a flying **** what I think of you, you are a ****ing idiot.
If you give a flying **** what I think of you, you are a ****ing idiot.How about instead of so many ****s we say ducks?
If you give a flying **** what I think of you, you are a ****ing idiot.Good to know.
As for "you don't understand how manufacturing works", actually, I do. The cost of producing a keyset is in the moulds, and they cost big money. However, that cost is amortised over the number of keysets you make with those moulds. So while, for example, the tooling for a DCS doubleshot ABS set costs a helluva lot upfront, but it's the same tooling for black, white, pink, or any other colour you want to specify. Once you get to producing the type of quantities of product that mean you can invest in tooling, the amortised tooling cost is massively outweighed by the material and handling costs.
Am I missing something? What is the deal with these suicidal frogs?! :))Tufty insulted the whole forum as beeing full of "****ing idiots". The community reacted with those frog pictures, as symbolic message which can be translated with: Oh, you are so mean to us, I have to shoot myself because I'm so affected / depressed by this. Ironically of course.
Let's get back on track here, guys.He didn't put the caps on his piss bottles? Unbelievable.
If you give a flying **** what I think of you, you are a ****ing idiot.The frog thang comes from 4chan, and is usually used to indicate that someone is feeling bad / suicidal. As I'm not feeling bad or suicidal, and my original post couldn't be taken as indicating that I am, I'll count its total misuse as a partial vindication of my last point.Perhaps we were using it to indicate that we were feeling bad/suicidal after you called us ****ing idiots.
As for "you don't understand how manufacturing works", actually, I do.
(http://gifrific.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/11/Terminator-Smile.gif)If you give a flying **** what I think of you, you are a ****ing idiot.The frog thang comes from 4chan, and is usually used to indicate that someone is feeling bad / suicidal. As I'm not feeling bad or suicidal, and my original post couldn't be taken as indicating that I am, I'll count its total misuse as a partial vindication of my last point.Perhaps we were using it to indicate that we were feeling bad/suicidal after you called us ****ing idiots.
As for "you don't understand how manufacturing works", actually, I do.Show Image(http://i2.kym-cdn.com/entries/icons/original/000/014/711/1380697092809.jpg)
If you give a flying **** what I think of you, you are a ****ing idiot.The frog thang comes from 4chan, and is usually used to indicate that someone is feeling bad / suicidal. As I'm not feeling bad or suicidal, and my original post couldn't be taken as indicating that I am, I'll count its total misuse as a partial vindication of my last point.Perhaps we were using it to indicate that we were feeling bad/suicidal after you called us ****ing idiots.
As for "you don't understand how manufacturing works", actually, I do.Show Image(http://i2.kym-cdn.com/entries/icons/original/000/014/711/1380697092809.jpg)Show Image(http://gifrific.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/11/Terminator-Smile.gif)
That could just be water that's yellowed from the cigarette buttsIf there's one thing I know it's piss bottles. Those are definitely piss bottles not yellowed water.
That could just be water that's yellowed from the cigarette buttsIf there's one thing I know it's piss bottles. Those are definitely piss bottles not yellowed water.
Unpopular opinion - bottles of various bodily fluids don't belong on keyboard forums.
But then again, I'm new here.
Unpopular opinion - bottles of various bodily fluids don't belong on keyboard forums.
But then again, I'm new here.
You're right.Show Image(https://38.media.tumblr.com/8c444bbb741f9616ef16ee70b59d1a0e/tumblr_inline_n2c199Qigy1s7gk8i.gif)
Unpopular keyboard opinions - I like the feeling of shiny ABS keycaps. I don't prefer it, but I like it.
Unpopular opinion - bottles of various bodily fluids don't belong on keyboard forums.
But then again, I'm new here.
You're right.Show Image(https://38.media.tumblr.com/8c444bbb741f9616ef16ee70b59d1a0e/tumblr_inline_n2c199Qigy1s7gk8i.gif)
Unpopular keyboard opinions - I like the feeling of shiny ABS keycaps. I don't prefer it, but I like it.
If you give a flying **** what I think of you, you are a ****ing idiot.The frog thang comes from 4chan, and is usually used to indicate that someone is feeling bad / suicidal. As I'm not feeling bad or suicidal, and my original post couldn't be taken as indicating that I am, I'll count its total misuse as a partial vindication of my last point.Perhaps we were using it to indicate that we were feeling bad/suicidal after you called us ****ing idiots.
s-s-senpaiMoreShow Image(http://i.imgur.com/eZWHPRF.gif)
Ever since I found an old NCR G80 at my school, I haven't been able to stop thinking about a GMK keyset with uniform shine. Would like to experiment with lacquer on a set.
Unpopular keyboard opinions - I like the feeling of shiny ABS keycaps. I don't prefer it, but I like it.
I have a Cherry doubleshot set that someone polished to a shine. I absolutely love 'em.
I'm done with this thread. Unwatched.(http://stream1.gifsoup.com/view5/4858539/filthy-frank-oooo-nobody-gives-a-****-o.gif)
8.25 pounds = 3.75 kilograms, is a good weight for a keyboard.
I, too, am a chubby chaser when it comes to keyboards.
I'm done with this thread. Unwatched.
I'm done with this thread. Unwatched.
I'm done with this thread. Unwatched.
Good. Gtfo
Idgaf
Hhkb is worth it's price >.>I believe... :'(
Jk. Even I don't believe that.
youre still in the honeymoon stage. ENJOY IT.Hhkb is worth it's price >.>I believe... :'(
Jk. Even I don't believe that.
Let's get back on track here, guys.
60% keyboards aren't practical, even with the programmable layers. I liken it to people who build their linux distros "from the ground up". They're just senselessly creating a rabbit hole of unnecessary work.
I'm thinking in implementing a key like this.thanks to the help of a member from AHK forum, i now have a script that does exactly what you describe
Tap = Apply shift to the next key pressed
Hold = Normal shift
Double tap fast = Toggle caps lock (yeah, capslock is nice to have)
thanks to the help of a member from AHK forum, i now have a script that does exactly what you describeOh, thanks, that is cool. I'm not using windows, but I hope some other people find it useful. What about starting a topic with your script?
shift::
Input, key, L1, {LShift}{RShift}
IfInString, ErrorLevel, Shift
{
SetCapsLockState, % GetKeyState("CapsLock","T")?"Off":"On"
KeyWait, Shift
}
else
SendInput +{%key%}
return
Okay here's another one. Anyone who goes through the effort of designing a custom keyset and setting up a group buy, and writes "WIN" on the bloody gui keys are like a chef who cooks a kobe sirloin sous vide, and then takes a **** on it.
Okay here's another one. Anyone who goes through the effort of designing a custom keyset and setting up a group buy, and writes "WIN" on the bloody gui keys are like a chef who cooks a kobe sirloin sous vide, and then takes a **** on it.
An unpopular opinion in retort: As a Linux user, the "Win" does not bother me at all :P
Okay here's another one. Anyone who goes through the effort of designing a custom keyset and setting up a group buy, and writes "WIN" on the bloody gui keys are like a chef who cooks a kobe sirloin sous vide, and then takes a **** on it.
An unpopular opinion in retort: As a Linux user, the "Win" does not bother me at all :P
DUUUDE, that ****s gotta go!
I still see infinity as being a great alternative to any "Win" key. That gives an infinite variety of options for that key. End the frustration.
Okay here's another one. Anyone who goes through the effort of designing a custom keyset and setting up a group buy, and writes "WIN" on the bloody gui keys are like a chef who cooks a kobe sirloin sous vide, and then takes a **** on it.
An unpopular opinion in retort: As a Linux user, the "Win" does not bother me at all :P
DUUUDE, that ****s gotta go!
Vortex Doubleshot PBT Blue White set. It matches my Poker Tex Case perfectly and it looks like my dream keyboard (well, until the GON comes in). I can live with the "WIN" key for that. It's hard in general to get a high quality PBT set with a the tux/penguin logo.
Still not ok! get blank mods :)
Okay here's another one. Anyone who goes through the effort of designing a custom keyset and setting up a group buy, and writes "WIN" on the bloody gui keys are like a chef who cooks a kobe sirloin sous vide, and then takes a **** on it.do you take issue with the spelling out of the word instead of using the logo, or do you simply want a more OS neutral legend? in any case, the best way to end the frustration is to cease using the key. i remapped my winkey to caps lock and haven't looked back since. and winkeyless layouts look much better anyway
aesthetics too strong :eek:
They don't match the color :( Aesthetics over loyalty! How's that for unpopular opinion :))
do you take issue with the spelling out of the word instead of using the logo, or do you simply want a more OS neutral legend? in any case, the best way to end the frustration is to cease using the key. i remapped my winkey to caps lock and haven't looked back since. and winkeyless layouts look much better anyway
The aesthetical point of this whole thing is
STOP FLIPPING YOUR GOD DAM F***ING SPACE BAR. IT LOOKS STUPID AND THERE IS LITERALLY NO DIFFERENCE. STOP ACTING LIKE ITS SO DAM COMFORTABLE. sorry I rage at the sight of flipped space bars... you still type at >70wpmIt is more comfortable, especially on RF boards. If your board has a high tilt, or you sit low, it digs into your thumb
STOP FLIPPING YOUR GOD DAM F***ING SPACE BAR. IT LOOKS STUPID AND THERE IS LITERALLY NO DIFFERENCE. STOP ACTING LIKE ITS SO DAM COMFORTABLE. sorry I rage at the sight of flipped space bars... you still type at >70wpmIt is more comfortable, especially on RF boards. If your board has a high tilt, or you sit low, it digs into your thumb
STOP FLIPPING YOUR GOD DAM F***ING SPACE BAR. IT LOOKS STUPID AND THERE IS LITERALLY NO DIFFERENCE. STOP ACTING LIKE ITS SO DAM COMFORTABLE. sorry I rage at the sight of flipped space bars... you still type at >70wpmliterally infinitely more comfortable
STOP FLIPPING YOUR GOD DAM F***ING SPACE BAR. IT LOOKS STUPID AND THERE IS LITERALLY NO DIFFERENCE. STOP ACTING LIKE ITS SO DAM COMFORTABLE. sorry I rage at the sight of flipped space bars... you still type at >70wpmI just flipped it for you babe. :-*
STOP FLIPPING YOUR GOD DAM F***ING SPACE BAR. IT LOOKS STUPID AND THERE IS LITERALLY NO DIFFERENCE. STOP ACTING LIKE ITS SO DAM COMFORTABLE. sorry I rage at the sight of flipped space bars... you still type at >70wpm
Still not ok! get blank mods :)
They don't match the color :( Aesthetics over loyalty! How's that for unpopular opinion :))
Still not ok! get blank mods :)
They don't match the color :( Aesthetics over loyalty! How's that for unpopular opinion :))
I just died a little.
There might not be a "best" gaming switch, but some are certainly worse than others. MX blue/green and others in the clicky line are horrible for double-tapping compared to the rest of the cherry line (especially compared to the liner switches). Old buckling spring with 2KRO is not ok for a lot of modern games.I can't say that I've run into problems with hysterisis playing FPSs. Sure, you're tapping WASD pretty quickly, but not really fast enough that I'd call it double-tapping.
So when some asks "what's the best gaming switch" the response of "there's not one" or "it's all a matter of preference," is not helpful. "Red, black, brown, or clear," would be a lot more useful to most gamers. For people that play FPS a liner switch probably IS an appropriate answer to "what's the best gaming switch" simply because of the double-tapping required.
Topre feels closer to rubber dome than mechanical
Topre feels closer to rubber dome than mechanical
STOP FLIPPING YOUR GOD DAM F***ING SPACE BAR. IT LOOKS STUPID AND THERE IS LITERALLY NO DIFFERENCE. STOP ACTING LIKE ITS SO DAM COMFORTABLE. sorry I rage at the sight of flipped space bars... you still type at >70wpmIt is more comfortable, especially on RF boards. If your board has a high tilt, or you sit low, it digs into your thumb
STOP FLIPPING YOUR GOD DAM F***ING SPACE BAR. IT LOOKS STUPID AND THERE IS LITERALLY NO DIFFERENCE. STOP ACTING LIKE ITS SO DAM COMFORTABLE. sorry I rage at the sight of flipped space bars... you still type at >70wpmIt is more comfortable, especially on RF boards. If your board has a high tilt, or you sit low, it digs into your thumb
I happened to read this post just as I sit in front of my high tilt keyboard, with my thumb caressing the delightfully distinct edge of my normally oriented spacebar :)
I did try flipping it before to see what the fuss was about. It felt different, but not any better. If anything, I use the edge of the spacebar to help my hands find the correct distance to the home row keys, something that doesn't work with a flipped spacebar.
Sci-Fi themed artisan caps are tacky. That's actually not that unpopular of an opinion but w/e.
Star Wars/Dr.Who/Star Trek-themed anything is consumeristic and trite. You're the kind of people I imagine browsing reddit.com/r/gaming and reddit.com/r/funny.
But, this is probably the most generous and supportive community I've ever seen. You guys are fantastic! :thumb:
****ty dr. Who?God bless you!!!
Not sure if agreeing with me or what but if you are****ty dr. Who?God bless you!!!
Sci-Fi themed artisan caps are tacky. That's actually not that unpopular of an opinion but w/e.
Star Wars/Dr.Who/Star Trek-themed anything is consumeristic and trite. You're the kind of people I imagine browsing reddit.com/r/gaming and reddit.com/r/funny.
But, this is probably the most generous and supportive community I've ever seen. You guys are fantastic! :thumb:
Your second point makes absolutely no sense. Wtf does /r/funny/gaming have to do with Star Wars/Star Trek and even ****ty dr. Who?
Topre feels closer to rubber dome than mechanical
Define how "mechanical" feels
But I think "mechanical" keyboards denotes a keyboard of superior quality and feeling.*facepalm*
I think "mechanical" means nice feeling switches
Thanks.But I think "mechanical" keyboards denotes a keyboard of superior quality and feeling.*facepalm*
I think "mechanical" means nice feeling switches
That's beyond ridiculous.
tropes
I meant topre. Sorry I am pretty bad at spelling. It was unintentional.tropes
I'm not sure if this was intentional or not.
To answer your question, I think "mechanical" means nice feeling switches [...]
I meant topre. Sorry I am pretty bad at spelling. It was unintentional.tropes
I'm not sure if this was intentional or not.
I meant topre. Sorry I am pretty bad at spelling. It was unintentional.tropes
I'm not sure if this was intentional or not.
No need to apologize. A lot of people (myself included) misspell topre (thorpe) on purpose (albeit after someone mistakenly did so), so I just wasn't sure. :) (lots of parentheses :P )
I meant topre. Sorry I am pretty bad at spelling. It was unintentional.tropes
I'm not sure if this was intentional or not.
No need to apologize. A lot of people (myself included) misspell topre (thorpe) on purpose (albeit after someone mistakenly did so), so I just wasn't sure. :) (lots of parentheses :P )
And all this time I thought it was pronounced Toe-Pray, like a bad French student.
I meant topre. Sorry I am pretty bad at spelling. It was unintentional.tropes
I'm not sure if this was intentional or not.
No need to apologize. A lot of people (myself included) misspell topre (thorpe) on purpose (albeit after someone mistakenly did so), so I just wasn't sure. :) (lots of parentheses :P )
And all this time I thought it was pronounced Toe-Pray, like a bad French student.
It is pronounced like that though. :P Although some will tell you differently - we've had multiple threads on the topic.
I meant topre. Sorry I am pretty bad at spelling. It was unintentional.tropes
I'm not sure if this was intentional or not.
No need to apologize. A lot of people (myself included) misspell topre (thorpe) on purpose (albeit after someone mistakenly did so), so I just wasn't sure. :) (lots of parentheses :P )
And all this time I thought it was pronounced Toe-Pray, like a bad French student.
It is pronounced like that though. :P Although some will tell you differently - we've had multiple threads on the topic.
I thought it was pronounced as "Toe-preh"? As in "Tokyo Press".
Feel all 50cN of required actuation in the first 2mm and then snap and your finger unintentionally slams the switch down to bottom out.
How is that motion even remotely satisfying.
MX Blue is a disgusting switch. Typing on or hearing these switches is nauseating.
What is with the force curve in these switches. It's not even a curve, its a spike.
Feel all 50cN of required actuation in the first 2mm and then snap and your finger unintentionally slams the switch down to bottom out.
How is that motion even remotely satisfying.
It's like your pushing the stem past a distinct obstruction rather than an actual tactile curve with an audible click around the peak of the required force.
I thought it was pronounced as "Toe-preh"? As in "Tokyo Press".
IMO, as long as you say either of those and not "Topper" you're good. ;D I'm looking at you, Bro and Punks (IIRC)... >:D
I don't like the feel of the IBM Model M. I think it feels clacky but not as nice as true clicky switches like MX Green or SMK Blues.
MX Greens are horrible though.
'True' clicky?
MX Greens are horrible though.
It's like you WANT to hurt my feelings.
'True' clicky?
I meant "true" as in each switch being independent of each other. Model M's have springs but they are not individual switches due to the underlying membrane. I don't mean to say that the IBM isn't clicky or anything.
MX Greens are horrible though.
It's like you WANT to hurt my feelings.
I survive on the tears of virgins.
MX Greens are horrible though.
It's like you WANT to hurt my feelings.
I survive on the tears of virgins.
Then why attack me? You'd starve :D
MX Greens are horrible though.
It's like you WANT to hurt my feelings.
I survive on the tears of virgins.
Then why attack me? You'd starve :D
MX Greens are horrible though.
It's like you WANT to hurt my feelings.
I survive on the tears of virgins.
Then why attack me? You'd starve :DShow Image(http://www.reactiongifs.com/r/2013/06/I-dont-believe-you.gif)
Nah, everyone here is virgins.
fully agree!!!Not sure if agreeing with me or what but if you are****ty dr. Who?God bless you!!!
<3
Doctor who most boring show ever. And "whovians" or whatever the hell they call themselves are cringeworthy.
I have watched Dr Who off and on since the 1970s.
The new series was great when it hit its stride, and, even though Tom Baker was "my Doctor" I have to say that David Tennant was the best Doctor ever, hands-down.
However, Matt Smith was one of the very worst, and this latest season is genuinely disgusting. I watched maybe half a dozen episodes with my teenage kids, and even they couldn't stand to watch it any more.
Peter Capladi is the current Doctor, and I quite enjoy him as the Doctor, though I haven't seen all of the latest season yet.I have watched Dr Who off and on since the 1970s.
The new series was great when it hit its stride, and, even though Tom Baker was "my Doctor" I have to say that David Tennant was the best Doctor ever, hands-down.
However, Matt Smith was one of the very worst, and this latest season is genuinely disgusting. I watched maybe half a dozen episodes with my teenage kids, and even they couldn't stand to watch it any more.
I'm at season 6 atm and I agree, Matt Smith is the worst Doctor :-[ But Karen Gillian is sooo cute...
Is Matt Smith still the actual Doctor?
Without singling out any specific model, I think 'custom keyboards' that sandwich flat sheets of acrylic look incredibly cheap. In most of them, you can even see the lasercutter's step resolution along the curves/beveled edges. Exposed bolts/screws, and some with very clumsy looking spacers in the form of stock-aluminum tubing. To top it off, they often come with fixed feet that resemble metal drain plugs. :p
All in all, they look like a first-year product design student's project. Nothing inherently bad with that, but aesthetically not very refined, and they certainly shouldn't be commanding such high prices with their lack of design refinement.
Don't even get me started on the ergodox varieties of sandwiching acrylic sheets! :-*
Without singling out any specific model, I think 'custom keyboards' that sandwich flat sheets of acrylic look incredibly cheap. In most of them, you can even see the lasercutter's step resolution along the curves/beveled edges. Exposed bolts/screws, and some with very clumsy looking spacers in the form of stock-aluminum tubing. To top it off, they often come with fixed feet that resemble metal drain plugs. :pAcrylic anything is ugly.
All in all, they look like a first-year product design student's project. Nothing inherently bad with that, but aesthetically not very refined, and they certainly shouldn't be commanding such high prices with their lack of design refinement.
Don't even get me started on the ergodox varieties of sandwiching acrylic sheets! :-*
60% keyboards look weird. Tenkeyless looks stunted. Full-size looks fine. 122-key equals a whale.
60% keyboards look weird. Tenkeyless looks stunted. Full-size looks fine. 122-key equals a whale.
Full size are battleships.
I'm upset that ~60%s don't have F-keys, and I'm upset that I don't see many people upset about it.
60% keyboards look weird. Tenkeyless looks stunted. Full-size looks fine. 122-key equals a whale.Really? I like 60%s, because you have one coherent field of keys without weird gaps in between.
60% keyboards look weird. Tenkeyless looks stunted. Full-size looks fine. 122-key equals a whale.Really? I like 60%s, because you have one coherent field of keys without weird gaps in between.
60% keyboards look weird. Tenkeyless looks stunted. Full-size looks fine. 122-key equals a whale.Really? I like 60%s, because you have one coherent field of keys without weird gaps in between.
Acrylic anything is ugly.
I guess it's an unpopular opinion then, but I still enjoy the new Doctor Who. I haven't watched it since the 11th doctor ended, so I still need to see the 12th doctor.
I guess it's an unpopular opinion then, but I still enjoy the new Doctor Who. I haven't watched it since the 11th doctor ended, so I still need to see the 12th doctor.
I've watched Dr Who since... the 80s? And most of the old black and white series.Season 1 of the the revived series is a lot more earthy than the later seasons, and the effects get a lot better, in my opinion.
The 'new', recently revived series just sucks complete ass. It's like they've kept everything that was bad and boring out of the old series (campy special effects, which they had an excuse for in the 70s), and tossed out all the stuff that was good (seems every bloody episode is on Earth, or revolves around humans).
I guess it's an unpopular opinion then, but I still enjoy the new Doctor Who. I haven't watched it since the 11th doctor ended, so I still need to see the 12th doctor.
Color me surprised YOU like dr. who >.>
Sorry billnye and ivan
cmyk/cmyw look ugly ^-^
Rgb ftw
Fully agree with the shades, but it also looks ok on classic beige.I guess it's an unpopular opinion then, but I still enjoy the new Doctor Who. I haven't watched it since the 11th doctor ended, so I still need to see the 12th doctor.
Color me surprised YOU like dr. who >.>
Eh, it's mindless and silly. That's the kind of thing I need after coming home from my job.Sorry billnye and ivan
cmyk/cmyw look ugly ^-^
Rgb ftw
RGB only works with Desko. RGB is hideous a majority of the time, especially with the shades of RGB chosen.
Hoffs Pac 62 looks pretty damn nice. I'd count that as a good one.Fully agree with the shades, but it also looks ok on classic beige.I guess it's an unpopular opinion then, but I still enjoy the new Doctor Who. I haven't watched it since the 11th doctor ended, so I still need to see the 12th doctor.
Color me surprised YOU like dr. who >.>
Eh, it's mindless and silly. That's the kind of thing I need after coming home from my job.Sorry billnye and ivan
cmyk/cmyw look ugly ^-^
Rgb ftw
RGB only works with Desko. RGB is hideous a majority of the time, especially with the shades of RGB chosen.
Doesn't it use cmyw?Hoffs Pac 62 looks pretty damn nice. I'd count that as a good one.Fully agree with the shades, but it also looks ok on classic beige.I guess it's an unpopular opinion then, but I still enjoy the new Doctor Who. I haven't watched it since the 11th doctor ended, so I still need to see the 12th doctor.
Color me surprised YOU like dr. who >.>
Eh, it's mindless and silly. That's the kind of thing I need after coming home from my job.Sorry billnye and ivan
cmyk/cmyw look ugly ^-^
Rgb ftw
RGB only works with Desko. RGB is hideous a majority of the time, especially with the shades of RGB chosen.
I'd have to look again, though you're probably right.Doesn't it use cmyw?Hoffs Pac 62 looks pretty damn nice. I'd count that as a good one.Fully agree with the shades, but it also looks ok on classic beige.I guess it's an unpopular opinion then, but I still enjoy the new Doctor Who. I haven't watched it since the 11th doctor ended, so I still need to see the 12th doctor.
Color me surprised YOU like dr. who >.>
Eh, it's mindless and silly. That's the kind of thing I need after coming home from my job.Sorry billnye and ivan
cmyk/cmyw look ugly ^-^
Rgb ftw
RGB only works with Desko. RGB is hideous a majority of the time, especially with the shades of RGB chosen.
It does. People only use the CMYK mod kit w/ dolchI'd have to look again, though you're probably right.Doesn't it use cmyw?Hoffs Pac 62 looks pretty damn nice. I'd count that as a good one.Fully agree with the shades, but it also looks ok on classic beige.I guess it's an unpopular opinion then, but I still enjoy the new Doctor Who. I haven't watched it since the 11th doctor ended, so I still need to see the 12th doctor.
Color me surprised YOU like dr. who >.>
Eh, it's mindless and silly. That's the kind of thing I need after coming home from my job.Sorry billnye and ivan
cmyk/cmyw look ugly ^-^
Rgb ftw
RGB only works with Desko. RGB is hideous a majority of the time, especially with the shades of RGB chosen.
I guess it's an unpopular opinion then, but I still enjoy the new Doctor Who. I haven't watched it since the 11th doctor ended, so I still need to see the 12th doctor.
Color me surprised YOU like dr. who >.>
Eh, it's mindless and silly. That's the kind of thing I need after coming home from my job.Sorry billnye and ivan
cmyk/cmyw look ugly ^-^
Rgb ftw
RGB only works with Desko. RGB is hideous a majority of the time, especially with the shades of RGB chosen.
Rgb doesn't go with WoB IMOI guess it's an unpopular opinion then, but I still enjoy the new Doctor Who. I haven't watched it since the 11th doctor ended, so I still need to see the 12th doctor.
Color me surprised YOU like dr. who >.>
Eh, it's mindless and silly. That's the kind of thing I need after coming home from my job.Sorry billnye and ivan
cmyk/cmyw look ugly ^-^
Rgb ftw
RGB only works with Desko. RGB is hideous a majority of the time, especially with the shades of RGB chosen.
I actually think RGB works with everything, and i like the shades of RGB ^-^
For an Unpopular Keyboard opinion thread, this has a lot of Doctor who.
I don't like dolchHell yes! The Dolch gray looks dull and boring.
I don't like dolch
I don't like dolch
with or without color pack? cause i don't like it stock but with color pack it blows me away.
Translucent artisan keycaps are poo. You cannot see the detail IRL from a seated position using your keyboard. Only works when you hold it up just right to the light or are using a macro setting on the camera. Or maybe I'm just blind. And stupid.
Unpopular opinion: Ergoclears feel weird and mushy and gross. I'm not sure if it's the spring weight or the lube, but probably the lube since I tried two different spring weights and thought both were... Mushy. I like stock clears so much better.
Unpopular opinion: Ergoclears feel weird and mushy and gross. I'm not sure if it's the spring weight or the lube, but probably the lube since I tried two different spring weights and thought both were... Mushy. I like stock clears so much better.
Really? I'm worried now, because I was planning to mod my FC6660M to ergo clears with 62g. Personally I felt that stock clears didn't have any 'definition', they were just kind of - mushy.
Is this a popular-unpopular opinion, or just an unpopular opinion?
mechanicals are too expensive for mushiness
It isn't cool or funny to post box pics. Just stop.I agree, its just a tease :C
My 55g HHKB is anything but mushy! I will fight anyone who says otherwise :))mechanicals are too expensive for mushiness
Then how do you explain Topre?
*assumes fighting stance*
Light I can definitely handle, on the other hand, mechanicals are too expensive for mushiness
you need to set light to them. XDFTFY.
Unpopular opinion: Ergoclears feel weird and mushy and gross. I'm not sure if it's the spring weight or the lube, but probably the lube since I tried two different spring weights and thought both were... Mushy. I like stock clears so much better.
Really? I'm worried now, because I was planning to mod my FC6660M to ergo clears with 62g. Personally I felt that stock clears didn't have any 'definition', they were just kind of - mushy.
Is this a popular-unpopular opinion, or just an unpopular opinion?
Topre purists need to get out the past.
And SA profile is ****ing ugly looking. It's overly tall and just unappealing IMO.
I haven't had a chance to type on a SA set, though.
Topre purists need to get out the past.
And SA profile is ****ing ugly looking. It's overly tall and just unappealing IMO.
I haven't had a chance to type on a SA set, though.
You I like, though my HHKB is currently my favorite
Kailhs are nicer than Cherry. There, I said it.
Kailhs are nicer than Cherry. There, I said it.
Hrrmm?
first time hearing this..
what about them specifically
Topre purists need to get out the past.
And SA profile is ****ing ugly looking. It's overly tall and just unappealing IMO.
I haven't had a chance to type on a SA set, though.
You I like, though my HHKB is currently my favorite
no it isn't, you lie..
I don't see the appeal of HHKB or Torpes with its demanding price.You know what else can be demanding? Your mom, but you still love her, don't you? :))
I guess what you pay is what you get.I don't see the appeal of HHKB or Torpes with its demanding price.You know what else can be demanding? Your mom, but you still love her, don't you? :))
dat thumb clusterTopre purists need to get out the past.
And SA profile is ****ing ugly looking. It's overly tall and just unappealing IMO.
I haven't had a chance to type on a SA set, though.
You I like, though my HHKB is currently my favorite
no it isn't, you lie..
It is. And the Ergodox sucks.
Topre purists need to get out the past.
And SA profile is ****ing ugly looking. It's overly tall and just unappealing IMO.
I haven't had a chance to type on a SA set, though.
You I like, though my HHKB is currently my favorite
no it isn't, you lie..
It is. And the Ergodox sucks.
Topre purists need to get out the past.
And SA profile is ****ing ugly looking. It's overly tall and just unappealing IMO.
I haven't had a chance to type on a SA set, though.
You I like, though my HHKB is currently my favorite
no it isn't, you lie..
It is. And the Ergodox sucks.
Obvious troll
Topre purists need to get out the past.
And SA profile is ****ing ugly looking. It's overly tall and just unappealing IMO.
I haven't had a chance to type on a SA set, though.
You I like, though my HHKB is currently my favorite
no it isn't, you lie..
It is. And the Ergodox sucks.
Obvious troll
Nope. Trolling would be saying that the Model M is the best keyboard known to man.
Kailhs are nicer than Cherry. There, I said it.
Hrrmm?
first time hearing this..
what about them specifically
I actually like the Acer switch./thread
Deep SpaceHandarbeit is the ****test keyset I've ever seen.
Deep SpaceHandarbeit is the ****test keyset I've ever seen.
FTFY.
Miami is a gross colorway, and I will never understand the apparent obsession with it.Let me join you.
Miami is a gross colorway, and I will never understand the apparent obsession with it.You need to play more Miami Hotline. You can feel 10x more immersed in it....
Deep SpaceHandarbeit is the ****test keyset I've ever seen.
FTFY.
Topre purists need to get out the past.
And SA profile is ****ing ugly looking. It's overly tall and just unappealing IMO.
I haven't had a chance to type on a SA set, though.
Dunno if this is unpopular but I really don't like MX blues. People commonly praise these switches but I don't get the appeal, there's just nothing it does well. The click, tactile feel, etc, are all done better by other switches like alps or buckling spring. Honestly the only cherry mx switch i've cared for lately are clears
Dunno if this is unpopular but I really don't like MX blues. People commonly praise these switches but I don't get the appeal, there's just nothing it does well. The click, tactile feel, etc, are all done better by other switches like alps or buckling spring. Honestly the only cherry mx switch i've cared for lately are clears
Having tried Greens I can't go back to Blues. I do sometimes the miss of "flying" across blues though. Greens are definitely more "rhythmic" while blues felt like I could just skim across the keys.
Having tried Greens I can't go back to Blues. I do sometimes the miss of "flying" across blues though. Greens are definitely more "rhythmic" while blues felt like I could just skim across the keys.
I really like greens as well. But I have just bought the Keycool RGB with Kailh blues and I don't hate them. But I do think Greens are a lot better.
Greens are the best mx switchI like whites more than greens because they feel like they have a slightly softer click. I want to get a full board of whites and swap springs, but I haven't gotten around to it yet
I like whites more than greens because they feel like they have a slightly softer click. I want to get a full board of whites and swap springs, but I haven't gotten around to it yet
Maybe, how many/what are you looking to get for them?I like whites more than greens because they feel like they have a slightly softer click. I want to get a full board of whites and swap springs, but I haven't gotten around to it yet
I've got a bag of new Whites if you want them :P
Greens are the best mx switchI like whites more than greens because they feel like they have a slightly softer click. I want to get a full board of whites and swap springs, but I haven't gotten around to it yet
I am using vintage blues with 62g springs in my main board right now, I do like the softer click, but I haven't compared them to whites yet. If they end up being pretty much the exact same softness, I will still use them as I like the white color more than the blue color.Greens are the best mx switchI like whites more than greens because they feel like they have a slightly softer click. I want to get a full board of whites and swap springs, but I haven't gotten around to it yet
You might like "vintage" Blues then. They have a softer and more consistent click.
Are greens much better than blues? I'd also like to know how the greens compare to tactile greys, besides the click of course
Are greens much better than blues? I'd also like to know how the greens compare to tactile greys, besides the click of course
Greens are identical to Blues, but with a heavier sorting and different color slider. The heavier spring makes them louder and more annoying.
Greens are identical to Blues, but with a heavier sorting and different color slider. The heavier spring makes them louder and more annoying.
Are greens much better than blues? I'd also like to know how the greens compare to tactile greys, besides the click of course
Greens are identical to Blues, but with a heavier sorting and different color slider. The heavier spring makes them louder and more annoying.
Greens are the best mx switchI like whites more than greens because they feel like they have a slightly softer click. I want to get a full board of whites and swap springs, but I haven't gotten around to it yet
cherry bruise only mx switches I can stand.
cherry bruise only mx switches I can stand.
Is that where you mix MX Blacks and MX Blues on the same keyboard? ;)
Greens are identical to Blues, but with a heavier sorting and different color slider. The heavier spring makes them louder and more annoying.
I'll have to respectfully disagree here, the heavier spring actually results in a deeper and less resounding click. It's a lot less shrill and less annoying, to my ears anyway.
cherry bruise only mx switches I can stand.
Is that where you mix MX Blacks and MX Blues on the same keyboard? ;)
cherry bruise only mx switches I can stand.
Is that where you mix MX Blacks and MX Blues on the same keyboard? ;)
blue stem black spring
Maybe, how many/what are you looking to get for them?I like whites more than greens because they feel like they have a slightly softer click. I want to get a full board of whites and swap springs, but I haven't gotten around to it yet
I've got a bag of new Whites if you want them :P
Yeah it sounds cooler. And I'm sure I stole it from somebody else because I'm not that clever :pcherry bruise only mx switches I can stand.
Is that where you mix MX Blacks and MX Blues on the same keyboard? ;)
blue stem black spring
thought these were called ghetto greens?
I like the "bruise" moniker better though - very clever!
A lot of people don't like blues.I also don't like MX Blues. If I want a clicky tactile keyboard; I would prefer a Buckling spring more than anything else. Blues clicky sound feels so artificial and the switch design is really intended to give a "click" sound. Cherry MX switches natural territory are linear switches IMO.
Linear? Just get a ****ty rubberdome. No difference at all. Just a waste of money.
Linear? Just get a ****ty rubberdome. No difference at all. Just a waste of money.
Chiclet switches can feel better than mechanical switches.
i think 60% and 40% are stupid. I couldnt live without function keys. The programmable layers are not an advantage of 60/40%, they can be implemented on any keyboard. Instead of trying to find a way to have fewer keys so that i don't have to move my hands around, i would rather try to optimize my space by adding more keys in it and keeping the same size. For that reason i like the 75% layouts, which get rid of the wasted space between F keys and numbers and next to ESC key. oh and needless to say i hate the silly designs that completely remove the key between ctl and alt and make it an empty space with no key (taking the space for bigger ctl and alt is another story but not a fan either). That or the removed CTL key on HHKB. HOW DUMB YOU'RE WASTING THE EXTRA SPACE PUT A GOD DAMN KEY. sorry i had to let it out. yet again i am new to the world of keyboard enthusiasm so im keeping an open mind :))
Also i think the customizability on a commercial level is very poor. It is basically what brought me to this site. I have yet to find a commercial brand that does programmable firmware keyboards, and the number of existing layouts are almost all the same thing.
yes, as long as you have a custom controller or control on your firmware you can easily use any key to switch between layouts, no need of a 60% to do that. Also i see no reason to get rid of the F keys. Im more the type that would add even an extra row on top of it.
Chiclet switches can feel better than mechanical switches.
yes, as long as you have a custom controller or control on your firmware you can easily use any key to switch between layouts, no need of a 60% to do that. Also i see no reason to get rid of the F keys. Im more the type that would add even an extra row on top of it.
yes, as long as you have a custom controller or control on your firmware you can easily use any key to switch between layouts, no need of a 60% to do that. Also i see no reason to get rid of the F keys. Im more the type that would add even an extra row on top of it.I don't see any reason to have dedicated F keys. much smarter to combine them with number keys imo, waste of space otherwise
I don't see any reason to have dedicated F keys. much smarter to combine them with number keys imo, waste of space otherwise
I don't just flip my spacebar. I flip my whole bottom row.I can get down with this
I don't see any reason to have dedicated F keys. much smarter to combine them with number keys imo, waste of space otherwise
The whole space saving argument against Fn keys puzzles me. Saving space on either side of a keyboard I understand, but with the way most people use their desks an extra inch or so of space above their keyboard simply doesn't matter as this is not useful space- if it's used at all, it might be a place to dump some pens or a pen holder.
I find function keys useful because they are commonly accessed. Alt-F4 is a common Windows close command. F8/10/12 is used to access BIOS if you do that sort of stuff. F1 is useful to people who use help. F5 is browser reload.
These functions can be accessed by key combinations, but I find combos less convenient (and sometimes downright frustrating, such as when trying to enter BIOS when it flashes up for a second).
Perhaps this is a candidate for Unpopular Keyboard Opinion: Anything less than TKL is really done for aesthetics rather than functionality or comfort. Even TKL drops a lot of functionality, but I would argue that at least it increases comfort for some people.
Also i see no reason to get rid of the F keys.The size difference is negligible, but the extra row means extra weight (switches and keycaps, extra material for the case and PCB/plate; I guess usually 50-100 g total), which matters in case of portable keyboards.
I don't just flip my spacebar. I flip my whole bottom row.
I still haven't found a single person that shares my opinion on this one.. Lube on MX blues feels great.
Based on that logic we could make a keyboard with a single row and call it a 10% keyboard.
Also i see no reason to get rid of the F keys.The size difference is negligible, but the extra row means extra weight (switches and keycaps, extra material for the case and PCB/plate; I guess usually 50-100 g total), which matters in case of portable keyboards.
yes, as long as you have a custom controller or control on your firmware you can easily use any key to switch between layouts, no need of a 60% to do that. Also i see no reason to get rid of the F keys. Im more the type that would add even an extra row on top of it.I don't see any reason to have dedicated F keys. much smarter to combine them with number keys imo, waste of space otherwise
The size difference is negligible, but the extra row means extra weight (switches and keycaps, extra material for the case and PCB/plate; I guess usually 50-100 g total), which matters in case of portable keyboards.
Linear? Just get a ****ty rubberdome. No difference at all. Just a waste of money.
Okay, something unpopular: The opinion, that lack of keys on more compact keyboards is "crippling" for the sake of aesthetics, is uninformed.
- I've noticed (in some research papers) the notion, that touch typing (i.e., orientation on the keyboard entirely by touch, even blindfolded) is inefficient on more than ~40 keys and nearly impossible on more than 50 keys.
- The current "standard" was made for the ancestors of certain current commercially-available operating systems (or their Human Interface Guidelines respectively). The are other ways of controlling UIs though… Either with pointing devices, or through some extra modality (vi-like controls, GNU Emacs).
Also i see no reason to get rid of the F keys.The size difference is negligible, but the extra row means extra weight (switches and keycaps, extra material for the case and PCB/plate; I guess usually 50-100 g total), which matters in case of portable keyboards.
60% is the best.oh I'm sorry, I thought we were in the Unpopular Opinions thread. My mistakeShow Image(http://i.imgur.com/exMQ950.gif)
60% is the best.oh I'm sorry, I thought we were in the Unpopular Opinions thread. My mistakeShow Image(http://i.imgur.com/exMQ950.gif)
Wait this isn't the unpopular-popular but pretending it's unpopular opinion thread?60% is the best.oh I'm sorry, I thought we were in the Unpopular Opinions thread. My mistakeShow Image(http://i.imgur.com/exMQ950.gif)
Wait this isn't the unpopular-popular but pretending it's unpopular opinion thread?60% is the best.oh I'm sorry, I thought we were in the Unpopular Opinions thread. My mistakeShow Image(http://i.imgur.com/exMQ950.gif)
My bad.
I don't know if anyone other than Intelli has an opinion on this, but I think the Kailh RGBs are really really nice.
A thousand times better than the Cherry RGBs I saw on the Corsair board last year, nowhere near as washed out.
I don't know if anyone other than Intelli has an opinion on this, but I think the Kailh RGBs are really really nice.
A thousand times better than the Cherry RGBs I saw on the Corsair board last year, nowhere near as washed out.
I agree. Sitting in front of Kailh RGBs as we speak. :cool:
I like dcs profile.
I like the legend used on lily set. (wyse legend?)
I like thin pbt.
I like sp.
I like dcs profile.
I like the legend used on lily set. (wyse legend?)
I like thin pbt.
I like sp.
How about the bottom row angle and sharp-edged DCS spacebar? If you use a low-ish board angle (which is better for ergonomic reasons), I find my thumb hitting the spacebar at a very uncomfortable angle on DCS. Cherry is MUCH better, SA is the best (symmetrical) :)
Do you by any chance happen to like Blues? I think thin PBT matches well to Blues (enhances the best aspects of the click), but I don't like either of them very much myself.
I like shiny ABS keycaps (as long as they're heavy enough) :)
I like dcs profile.
I like the legend used on lily set. (wyse legend?)
I like thin pbt.
I like sp.
How about the bottom row angle and sharp-edged DCS spacebar? If you use a low-ish board angle (which is better for ergonomic reasons), I find my thumb hitting the spacebar at a very uncomfortable angle on DCS. Cherry is MUCH better, SA is the best (symmetrical) :)
Do you by any chance happen to like Blues? I think thin PBT matches well to Blues (enhances the best aspects of the click), but I don't like either of them very much myself.
I like shiny ABS keycaps (as long as they're heavy enough) :)
My keyboard is 12 degree, so it is very comfortable for me to use DCS. I always feel strange to use SA :-[
I don't hate blue, but I don't prefer it. But I find thin abs match pretty well to blue and clear
I hate it when people lift the rear keyboard stands. Keyboards are meant to be flat on the table.
All Topre boards suck except the HHKB. Realforce, FC660C, and Novatouch all feel like crap.
if its any consolation i dont want u sadAll Topre boards suck except the HHKB. Realforce, FC660C, and Novatouch all feel like crap.
Why do you want me to be sad?
All Topre boards suck except the HHKB. Realforce, FC660C, and Novatouch all feel like crap.
Why do you want me to be sad?
Ortholinear keyboards are stupid.
Wait this isn't the unpopular-popular but pretending it's unpopular opinion thread?60% is the best.oh I'm sorry, I thought we were in the Unpopular Opinions thread. My mistakeShow Image(http://i.imgur.com/exMQ950.gif)
My bad.
To make both of you happy, I'll marry an unpopular opinion to a popular opinion.
All Topre boards suck except the HHKB. Realforce, FC660C, and Novatouch all feel like crap.
im about to back hand you back to kindergarden son.
55g RF is the greatest feeling topre, ever. no questions asked. no arguments.
but hhkb has best layout.
im about to back hand you back to kindergarden son.
55g RF is the greatest feeling topre, ever. no questions asked. no arguments.
but hhkb has best layout.
thinking a switch is "best for gaming" is stupid.
thinking a switch is "best for gaming" is stupid.
How is that unpopular?
artisan caps (mainly of the BB and CC variety) have a net negative effect on the community
demik, you gotta learn.thinking a switch is "best for gaming" is stupid.
How is that unpopular?
well "gaming switch" is constantly echo'd here.
55g rf > every single switch ever.
artisan caps (mainly of the BB and CC variety) have a net negative effect on the community
nope, the collectors do. if it wasn't artisans it would be something else.
HHKB Keyboards are hardly worth even the second hand prices if it doesnt include extras.
40% are exactly as useful as any 60% board, even the designs using normal sized spacebars.
considering theyre all reprogrammable and most people should have the brain capacity to adjust, even though it might take a little while for those who are less used to mix things up and constantly put new things into their muscle memory. (playing any kind of instrument etc)
thinking a switch is "best for gaming" is stupid.Worrying about which switch is "best for gaming" even more so.
MX Clears are overratted and honestly I don't even like them very much.
HHKB Keyboards are hardly worth even the second hand prices if it doesnt include extras.
40% are exactly as useful as any 60% board, even the designs using normal sized spacebars.
considering theyre all reprogrammable and most people should have the brain capacity to adjust, even though it might take a little while for those who are less used to mix things up and constantly put new things into their muscle memory. (playing any kind of instrument etc)
Agreed on the HHKB.
I beg to differ (sort of) on that 40%. The punctuation / symbols on the top row are often really ingrained in your muscle memory (especially if you use them every day for coding, like I do), so putting those behind a Layer key takes some getting used to and many are not willing to put the effort in.
That said, I think a very well-designed 40% board (like the JD45 with smaller / split spacebar) can become even more efficient and useful than a 60% if you do take the time to adjust to it. And it is worth taking the time, IMHO, typing on a 40% can be very liberating. It's surprising how few keys you really need for most typing tasks. Numbers and symbols (besides ,. and ') aren't used as often as some may think. A key factor in making a 40% board usable is good Fn / Layer key placement. That's why I think a split space is important, you can use your non-space thumb for it.
MX Clears are overratted and honestly I don't even like them very much.
Like almost all the other mx switches, they need modding to feel great.
HHKB Keyboards are hardly worth even the second hand prices if it doesnt include extras.
40% are exactly as useful as any 60% board, even the designs using normal sized spacebars.
considering theyre all reprogrammable and most people should have the brain capacity to adjust, even though it might take a little while for those who are less used to mix things up and constantly put new things into their muscle memory. (playing any kind of instrument etc)
Agreed on the HHKB.
I beg to differ (sort of) on that 40%. The punctuation / symbols on the top row are often really ingrained in your muscle memory (especially if you use them every day for coding, like I do), so putting those behind a Layer key takes some getting used to and many are not willing to put the effort in.
That said, I think a very well-designed 40% board (like the JD45 with smaller / split spacebar) can become even more efficient and useful than a 60% if you do take the time to adjust to it. And it is worth taking the time, IMHO, typing on a 40% can be very liberating. It's surprising how few keys you really need for most typing tasks. Numbers and symbols (besides ,. and ') aren't used as often as some may think. A key factor in making a 40% board usable is good Fn / Layer key placement. That's why I think a split space is important, you can use your non-space thumb for it.
yeah, and there we got exactly what's bothering me, the general belief one can be so used doing things a certain way it would be "hard" to muscle memorize even the addition of a fn-key to something you already need to press multiple keys to do, number row symbols are still at the top row, in order on a 40%...
ah, on topic, it really bothers me that matias quiet clickys are not really clickys, and that they dont really sit tight in the infinity plate, putting stress on the solders while pulling caps or pop right open ****ing up the leafs, if the alps stem on the SP DSA doesn´t break first...
and it bothers me that they´re all soldered now when their next destination is the trashcan, in favor of some gateron blues.
MX Clears are overratted and honestly I don't even like them very much.
Like almost all the other mx switches, they need modding to feel great.
Thats what I figure problem is modding them is a PITA when most of the keyboards with them are plate mount. When I got my keyboards I though it would be fairly easy to mod them, if you don't solder its not. I guess I just need to bite the bullet and get a soldering kit or something.
40% are exactly as useful as any 60% board, even the designs using normal sized spacebars.Not for countries where on " [ ] ' " keys are often using symbols, like cyrillic in Russia. We have " х ъ э " on that keys. And i want them type like normal keys, not FN+something.
40% are exactly as useful as any 60% board, even the designs using normal sized spacebars.Not for countries where on " [ ] ' " keys are often using symbols, like cyrillic in Russia. We have " х ъ э " on that keys. And i want them type like normal keys, not FN+something.
JD45: https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=62641.msg1468124#msg1468124Thank for link! Layout seems to me quite good for me.
I'm just finishing up a new 60% build with Clears and it really is a PITA to do all the modding required (trampolines, 62g springs, stickers, shaved sliders), but once they're done they're the best an MX switch can ever be and only get better with use. Leaving out just one mod makes them significantly worse, though.
I use loose Clears and PCB's for my builds because it removes the desoldering step from the build.
I wish Gateron made ErgoClears (62-65g springs, large tactile bump).
40% are exactly as useful as any 60% board, even the designs using normal sized spacebars.Not for countries where on " [ ] ' " keys are often using symbols, like cyrillic in Russia. We have " х ъ э " on that keys. And i want them type like normal keys, not FN+something.
qfr is decent
OTOH if he means that it's ONLY decent, then it might be quite unpopular.qfr is decent
judging by the subforum dedicated to the board, dunno if it qualifies as unpopular. :p
To he fair, I type almost as fast on Swype as I do on a standard keyboard.
All winkeys except the Win95 ones look trash IMO.
On-screen keyboards are the dumbest, most inefficient input method ever to be used on a smartphone.
The Graffiti (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Graffiti_%28Palm_OS%29) input method from the venerable Palm PDAs works a lot better
All winkeys except the Win95 ones look trash IMO.
All winkeys except the Win95 ones look trash IMO.
Seems like a popular opinion.
All winkeys except the Win95 ones look trash IMO.
Seems like a popular opinion.
In that case Win95 legend is ****. Win 7 legend is better.
In fact, the only good retro Windows logo is the 1.0 logo. Everything until Win 7 sucked.Show Image(http://img1.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20120901001847/logopedia/images/9/95/Windows_1.0_1985.jpg)
Too round for my taste.All winkeys except the Win95 ones look trash IMO.
Seems like a popular opinion.
In that case Win95 legend is ****. Win 7 legend is better.
In fact, the only good retro Windows logo is the 1.0 logo. Everything until Win 7 sucked.Show Image(http://img1.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20120901001847/logopedia/images/9/95/Windows_1.0_1985.jpg)
Too round for my taste.All winkeys except the Win95 ones look trash IMO.
Seems like a popular opinion.
In that case Win95 legend is ****. Win 7 legend is better.
In fact, the only good retro Windows logo is the 1.0 logo. Everything until Win 7 sucked.Show Image(http://img1.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20120901001847/logopedia/images/9/95/Windows_1.0_1985.jpg)
Still dramatically better than 95. Seriously, what's up with the squiggle and the tail? And why is the tail a repeat of the two squares in front of it? It's just tacky and bad design.
Flying Windows looked a lot more like a kite than a window, but it was moderately attractive, if stupid.I can do WIN xp as well
The whole curve concept makes no sense, anyway, but I thought that the XP/7 version was the most handsome.
8 looks like a bleached-out flag from an unidentified country.
How about no Windows logo at all? >:D
Blanks are always stupid.These are great out of context. XD
Ortholinear keyboards are stupid.
Oh, sure, if you have crooked fingers.Nah, pretty much stupid no matter who you are. Hands are not shaped like bricks.
White & Light Grey classic IBM M two toned key cap layout is superior to all others.
White & Light Grey classic IBM M two toned key cap layout is superior to all others.Wait until you head about granite! :P
I like text legends for the windows, preferably SuperI prefer the logo of the Galactic Empire from Star Wars on the Windows key (https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=71995), because Microsoft is the Evil Empire. ;)
Topres are not much better than the best rubber domes.
Keyboard is boring.Haha, this is the perfect thread for you :))
One can say that no matter how evil Microsoft might have been in the 90's, Google nowadays is even worse.I like text legends for the windows, preferably SuperI prefer the logo of the Galactic Empire from Star Wars on the Windows key (https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=71995), because Microsoft is the Evil Empire. ;)
Unpopular keyboard opinion: Almost all key group buys are too expensive. (at least for my budget :( )
I generally dont care for keyboards with goofy media & internet/productivity keys. Although there are some that arent so bad.
oh christI generally dont care for keyboards with goofy media & internet/productivity keys. Although there are some that arent so bad.
I agree. The multimedia keys on the Ducky Shine 3, for example, looks fine to me. On the other hand, this thing is just nasty.Show Image(http://store.madcatz.com/Mad-Catz-STRIKE7-0001-lg.jpg)
I generally dont care for keyboards with goofy media & internet/productivity keys. Although there are some that arent so bad.
I agree. The multimedia keys on the Ducky Shine 3, for example, looks fine to me. On the other hand, this thing is just nasty.Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/dTTfRlY.png)
Sometimes I think people confuse "mech keyboards" with "mecha keyboards":Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/dTTfRlY.png)
Sometimes I think people confuse "mech keyboards" with "mecha keyboards":Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/dTTfRlY.png)
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And as if this were not enough, they combine "mecha keyboards" with "Master of the Universe keycaps" *facepalm* :D
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I like clone & offbrand keyboard switches.
I like clone & offbrand keyboard switches.
how is this unpopular?
huge gateron circlejerk on here.
matter of fact, all of GH is okay with copying cherry.
just dont touch their artisans, then copying becomes a problem.
I generally dont care for keyboards with goofy media & internet/productivity keys. Although there are some that arent so bad.
I agree. The multimedia keys on the Ducky Shine 3, for example, looks fine to me. On the other hand, this thing is just nasty.Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/dTTfRlY.png)
^At least that keyboard has a standard bottom row.ugh gaming performance obviously
Corsair/MaxKeyboards really pisses me off with that. There's just no reason for it.
I like clone & offbrand keyboard switches.
how is this unpopular?
huge gateron circlejerk on here.
matter of fact, all of GH is okay with copying cherry.
just dont touch their artisans, then copying becomes a problem.
Corsair/MaxKeyboards really pisses me off with that. There's just no reason for it.
Corsair/MaxKeyboards really pisses me off with that. There's just no reason for it.
I refuse to buy anything Corsair and whenever I see a computer with a bunch of Corsair **** in it (because, let's be honest, a lot of their stuff is not that great) I always think under-researched and over-paid. That and Corsair does so much vendor lock in that it pisses me off.
Corsair/MaxKeyboards really pisses me off with that. There's just no reason for it.
I refuse to buy anything Corsair and whenever I see a computer with a bunch of Corsair **** in it (because, let's be honest, a lot of their stuff is not that great) I always think under-researched and over-paid. That and Corsair does so much vendor lock in that it pisses me off.
Their PSU are great.
Corsair/MaxKeyboards really pisses me off with that. There's just no reason for it.
I refuse to buy anything Corsair and whenever I see a computer with a bunch of Corsair **** in it (because, let's be honest, a lot of their stuff is not that great) I always think under-researched and over-paid. That and Corsair does so much vendor lock in that it pisses me off.
Their PSU are great.
Their PSUs are usually identical to cheaper options while costing more. Seriously, look at brands like XFX or check out some of the equally awesome and cheaper SuperFlower made PSUs. For example, lets look around 500w, one of the most popular wattages for your average consumer. The EVGA Supernova (https://pcpartpicker.com/part/evga-power-supply-220gs0550v1), a good Gold rated PSU (http://www.pcper.com/reviews/Cases-and-Cooling/EVGA-SuperNOVA-550GS-and-650GS-Gold-PSU-Review), is $20 cheaper than the RM650 (https://pcpartpicker.com/part/corsair-power-supply-rm550), an equally good PSU (http://www.pcper.com/reviews/Cases-and-Cooling/Corsair-RM-Series-550W-Power-Supply-Review). They do sometimes come on sale at a great price, but I usually see better options for less...at least if you keep your eyes open.
Their budget PSUs are junk and their high end ones with Link cause more problems than their worth.
Yeah all of their components are overpriced. Most of their products are good (save for the cheap junk like their CX line of PSUs) but it makes me cry when I see completed builds using, say, 32GB of Corsair Dominator. Whenever I say someone overspent on the Corsair, they always retort "But the Corsair Dominator is the best!". No, RAM is RAM, and Corsair doesn't even manufacture it, it's made by another company and Corsair slaps their logo on it just like their power supplies and anything else. Just because it is more expensive than everything else doesn't make it the best.
The CoolerMaster Novatouch is rubbish and the biggest disappointment of all the mechs I have ever bought. It's nothing like the "RealForce with mx compatible stems" that I imagined it to be. The case feels shoddy and hollow and the hard plastic really feels cheap. Bottoming out feels plasticky instead of solid, and it rattles and makes noise in a bad way.
I think I typed on it for about an hour, tried a few keycap sets on it, none of which made it better, then put it back in its box and gifted it to my brother because I didn't want to go through the hassle of putting it up for sale. Back to Realforce, Filco and IBM BS for me.
Corsair greatest company ever. I'm going to name my first born corsair just for you nubs.
That's all I aspire to be!Corsair greatest company ever. I'm going to name my first born corsair just for you nubs.
Sorry demik, you're over 25 with no kids. That means you're consigned to creepy uncle status.
HHKB what does everyone see in it? To me the average person that granted has not used topre it looks like a overpriced white poker with a goofy layout that just plain makes no sense to me, and the HHKB circle jerk is real I always feel that genuinely and no word of a lie now that the only reason people say they are good is to make them selves feel better for buying something so expensive :(Well I own one. I'm cool. At this point people buy them just to be cool by association. Don't be a square fire, get a hhkb.
I'm sorry HHKB it's not me... It's you :c
Then again I'll probs buy a HHKB in a year of so :/
:/ Its more the price I just think its stupidly expensive for what you get, no matter how cool you are :c also the one otherthing that bothers me is keycaps I can't use any normal ones I have to buy different sets, I changed from purely ISO to ANSI to make it easier, but then I would need to replace them all, set aside the topre to mx stems (Which I have ordered) I just don't know man then theres customs fee's for the keyboard which will bend me over for half of its price :cHHKB what does everyone see in it? To me the average person that granted has not used topre it looks like a overpriced white poker with a goofy layout that just plain makes no sense to me, and the HHKB circle jerk is real I always feel that genuinely and no word of a lie now that the only reason people say they are good is to make them selves feel better for buying something so expensive :(Well I own one. I'm cool. At this point people buy them just to be cool by association. Don't be a square fire, get a hhkb.
I'm sorry HHKB it's not me... It's you :c
Then again I'll probs buy a HHKB in a year of so :/
:/ Its more the price I just think its stupidly expensive for what you get, no matter how cool you are :c also the one otherthing that bothers me is keycaps I can't use any normal ones I have to buy different sets, I changed from purely ISO to ANSI to make it easier, but then I would need to replace them all, set aside the topre to mx stems (Which I have ordered) I just don't know man then theres customs fee's for the keyboard which will bend me over for half of its price :cHHKB what does everyone see in it? To me the average person that granted has not used topre it looks like a overpriced white poker with a goofy layout that just plain makes no sense to me, and the HHKB circle jerk is real I always feel that genuinely and no word of a lie now that the only reason people say they are good is to make them selves feel better for buying something so expensive :(Well I own one. I'm cool. At this point people buy them just to be cool by association. Don't be a square fire, get a hhkb.
I'm sorry HHKB it's not me... It's you :c
Then again I'll probs buy a HHKB in a year of so :/
I just...I Just don't think you're worth it demik I'm sorry bby ;-; I shall never be as cool as you riding a bike on the side of your wall
Edit: And to make thing worse someone in Sheffield has listed a HHKB on ebay :( Pls no ;-; Steam takes all my money and nendoroids must resist urge...
And changing caps is overrated.
And changing caps is overrated.
^^ this. From my experience with a Cherry board and a couple of group buys, there's a little "pop" of newness you get when you put on a new set of caps... and then a month later it's just "normal" again and you're looking to blow another chunk of cash to get that new keyboard feeling again.
And changing caps is overrated.
^^ this. From my experience with a Cherry board and a couple of group buys, there's a little "pop" of newness you get when you put on a new set of caps... and then a month later it's just "normal" again and you're looking to blow another chunk of cash to get that new keyboard feeling again.
so you guys are fine with ****ty shiny texture-less abs caps?
not me, thanks. pbt or out the window :cool:
I have sanded keycaps before. The thing is, PBT keycaps, that have the texture of sweat-worn ABS out of the box, don't exist AFAIK—only with the exception of inner two-part Model M caps.
so you guys are fine with ****ty shiny texture-less abs caps?Pbt and abs all feel the same to me. Spending 100+ on key caps just for the color is just silly now (to me at least)
not me, thanks. pbt or out the window :cool:
I'm not sure how sweat-worn you are looking for, but BSP PBT is quite smooth. It's not quite shined ABS smooth, but it lacks the annoying (IMO) grippiness.ABS, that's exposed to sweat in the long term, feels quite similar to use of 1000-grit sandpaper, whereas I prefer something like 200 grit, IIRC.
This topic is fantastic. LOL!LOL!
ROFL!This topic is fantastic. LOL!LOL!
heh, are we really doing this?winkey is over-rated Who needs a dedicated key to replace 2 key codes. Ctrl + Esc gives you winkey. If you need to launch something on the taskbar, use your mouse. Need to lock your PC, its 4 more strokes of an arrow key. Need to swap windows, use alt-tab. Ergodox is ergonomic because when used properly, it lets your elbows rest open, which is more naturally then straight.
1. Topre is overrated and a realforce should not be that expensive
2. 40% boards are not practical for day to day use
3. a fullsized board/TKL with numpad is always better if you have the desk space, the thing with mouse distance does not make sense
4. The ergodox is hardly ergonomic
5. Cherry clones are great when priced accordingly
6. Cherry type switches are wobbly
7. Korean customs should not cost $400
8. HHKB is too expensive and has a bad layout, seriously, no Win key?
Agree on the winkey, it's mostly useless and can be replaced easily. As for the ergodox, the whole thumb cluster isn't really ideal.heh, are we really doing this?winkey is over-rated Who needs a dedicated key to replace 2 key codes. Ctrl + Esc gives you winkey. If you need to launch something on the taskbar, use your mouse. Need to lock your PC, its 4 more strokes of an arrow key. Need to swap windows, use alt-tab. Ergodox is ergonomic because when used properly, it lets your elbows rest open, which is more naturally then straight.
1. Topre is overrated and a realforce should not be that expensive
2. 40% boards are not practical for day to day use
3. a fullsized board/TKL with numpad is always better if you have the desk space, the thing with mouse distance does not make sense
4. The ergodox is hardly ergonomic
5. Cherry clones are great when priced accordingly
6. Cherry type switches are wobbly
7. Korean customs should not cost $400
8. HHKB is too expensive and has a bad layout, seriously, no Win key?
Agree on the winkey, it's mostly useless and can be replaced easily. As for the ergodox, the whole thumb cluster isn't really ideal.heh, are we really doing this?winkey is over-rated Who needs a dedicated key to replace 2 key codes. Ctrl + Esc gives you winkey. If you need to launch something on the taskbar, use your mouse. Need to lock your PC, its 4 more strokes of an arrow key. Need to swap windows, use alt-tab. Ergodox is ergonomic because when used properly, it lets your elbows rest open, which is more naturally then straight.
1. Topre is overrated and a realforce should not be that expensive
2. 40% boards are not practical for day to day use
3. a fullsized board/TKL with numpad is always better if you have the desk space, the thing with mouse distance does not make sense
4. The ergodox is hardly ergonomic
5. Cherry clones are great when priced accordingly
6. Cherry type switches are wobbly
7. Korean customs should not cost $400
8. HHKB is too expensive and has a bad layout, seriously, no Win key?
Well I think a good ergonomic board would let you make more use of your thumbs by letting you hit keys you couldn't normally hit easily before. I'm not really an ergonomics guy, so that's just my somewhat uneducated opinion I guess :))Agree on the winkey, it's mostly useless and can be replaced easily. As for the ergodox, the whole thumb cluster isn't really ideal.heh, are we really doing this?winkey is over-rated Who needs a dedicated key to replace 2 key codes. Ctrl + Esc gives you winkey. If you need to launch something on the taskbar, use your mouse. Need to lock your PC, its 4 more strokes of an arrow key. Need to swap windows, use alt-tab. Ergodox is ergonomic because when used properly, it lets your elbows rest open, which is more naturally then straight.
1. Topre is overrated and a realforce should not be that expensive
2. 40% boards are not practical for day to day use
3. a fullsized board/TKL with numpad is always better if you have the desk space, the thing with mouse distance does not make sense
4. The ergodox is hardly ergonomic
5. Cherry clones are great when priced accordingly
6. Cherry type switches are wobbly
7. Korean customs should not cost $400
8. HHKB is too expensive and has a bad layout, seriously, no Win key?
you know, i've seen this complain quite a few times now.
i for one only use my left thumb for 2 btns: space and cmd on os x. 2 keys per thumb on the ergodox is not a problem in the slightest.
are people using their thumbs for more than 2 buttons on a normal keyboard?
You guys have it wrong.
Winkey is a modifier key similar to the ALt and CTRL keys. The Winkey by itself is a shortcut for the start menu, which actually opens with ctrl-esc. They are not interchangeable. While you can use the Winkey for shortcuts and the start menu, you can't use CTRL-ESC +key for shortcuts.
Win+e = Windows Explorer
Win+x opens a menu of system functions (dependent on Windows version)
Win+R = run command
Win+d raise or lower a window
And probably 20 others.
I use an Autohotkety script to automatically disable it while gaming (it also converts capslock to shift). Work smarter, not harder.
whoa, haven't seen you post in awhile. glad to have you back.Thanks, just been busy with work.
If I had one wish, I'd wish that ArthurM from Massdrop would unexpectedly step on a rusty nail or a lego every single day for the rest of his life.
If I had one wish, I'd wish that ArthurM from Massdrop would unexpectedly step on a rusty nail or a lego every single day for the rest of his life.
did he pour salt in your coffee?
If I had one wish, I'd wish that ArthurM from Massdrop would unexpectedly step on a rusty nail or a lego every single day for the rest of his life.
did he pour salt in your coffee?
I have so much hate in my heart. Only ArthurM's death will slake my bloodlust.
3. a fullsized board/TKL with numpad is always better if you have the desk space, the thing with mouse distance does not make sense3. I can't use a fullsize anymore without getting pain in my wrist. I'll gladly put a numpad to the side though.
7. Korean customs should not cost $400
heh, are we really doing this?'
1. Topre is overrated and a realforce should not be that expensive
2. 40% boards are not practical for day to day use
3. a fullsized board/TKL with numpad is always better if you have the desk space, the thing with mouse distance does not make sense
4. The ergodox is hardly ergonomic
5. Cherry clones are great when priced accordingly
6. Cherry type switches are wobbly
7. Korean customs should not cost $400
8. HHKB is too expensive and has a bad layout, seriously, no Win key?
winkey is over-rated Who needs a dedicated key to replace 2 key codes. Ctrl + Esc gives you winkey. If you need to launch something on the taskbar, use your mouse. Need to lock your PC, its 4 more strokes of an arrow key. Need to swap windows, use alt-tab. Ergodox is ergonomic because when used properly, it lets your elbows rest open, which is more naturally then straight.
8. HHKB is too expensive and has a bad layout, seriously, no Win key?
8. Why does no one make SA PBT keycaps????? I feel like I constantly have to make a choice!Let's see, what this project will bring: http://deskthority.net/workshop-f7/hi-profile-pbt-dye-sub-the-time-has-come-t10805.html
heh, are we really doing this?winkey is over-rated Who needs a dedicated key to replace 2 key codes. Ctrl + Esc gives you winkey. If you need to launch something on the taskbar, use your mouse. Need to lock your PC, its 4 more strokes of an arrow key. Need to swap windows, use alt-tab. Ergodox is ergonomic because when used properly, it lets your elbows rest open, which is more naturally then straight.
1. Topre is overrated and a realforce should not be that expensive
2. 40% boards are not practical for day to day use
3. a fullsized board/TKL with numpad is always better if you have the desk space, the thing with mouse distance does not make sense
4. The ergodox is hardly ergonomic
5. Cherry clones are great when priced accordingly
6. Cherry type switches are wobbly
7. Korean customs should not cost $400
8. HHKB is too expensive and has a bad layout, seriously, no Win key?
You guys have it wrong.
Winkey is a modifier key similar to the ALt and CTRL keys. The Winkey by itself is a shortcut for the start menu, which actually opens with ctrl-esc. They are not interchangeable. While you can use the Winkey for shortcuts and the start menu, you can't use CTRL-ESC +key for shortcuts.
Win+e = Windows Explorer
Win+x opens a menu of system functions (dependent on Windows version)
Win+R = run command
Win+d raise or lower a window
And probably 20 others.
I use an Autohotkety script to automatically disable it while gaming (it also converts capslock to shift). Work smarter, not harder.
All that said, I still love winkeyless boards. Just reprogram right Alt to winkey and ^-^ ^-^ ^-^
That's a good idea, I might start putting that on ralt.All that said, I still love winkeyless boards. Just reprogram right Alt to winkey and ^-^ ^-^ ^-^
^ Hoff is smart.
All that said, I still love winkeyless boards. Just reprogram right Alt to winkey and ^-^ ^-^ ^-^Oh my! :eek:
That's a good idea, I might start putting that on ralt.All that said, I still love winkeyless boards. Just reprogram right Alt to winkey and ^-^ ^-^ ^-^
^ Hoff is smart.
All that said, I still love winkeyless boards. Just reprogram right Alt to winkey and ^-^ ^-^ ^-^Oh my! :eek:
*runs off to alter keyboard plans*
^ Hoff is smart.
I can't tell if I've scared you away with some sacrilegious practice or convinced you to do the same to your boards! :))Running off to alter mine that way, it's a fantastic solution.
^ Hoff is smart.
Is this an unpopular opinion?
I can't tell if I've scared you away with some sacrilegious practice or convinced you to do the same to your boards! :))Running off to alter mine that way, it's a fantastic solution.
That's a good idea, I might start putting that on ralt.All that said, I still love winkeyless boards. Just reprogram right Alt to winkey and ^-^ ^-^ ^-^
^ Hoff is smart.
:<>That's a good idea, I might start putting that on ralt.All that said, I still love winkeyless boards. Just reprogram right Alt to winkey and ^-^ ^-^ ^-^
^ Hoff is smart.
It's not rAlt, it's called AltGr.
oh I forget dummy english language use like 40 total characters :>
shut up frenchie
:<>That's a good idea, I might start putting that on ralt.All that said, I still love winkeyless boards. Just reprogram right Alt to winkey and ^-^ ^-^ ^-^
^ Hoff is smart.
It's not rAlt, it's called AltGr.
oh I forget dummy english language use like 40 total characters :>
The Ducky Mini is one of the ugliest keyboards I have ever seen.Show Image(https://i.imgur.com/HddaZaP.png)
They keep saying on Reddit that geekhack is a clique-ish place. I just want to know how to A) infiltrate the inner circle a la Mean Girls; and B) get a custom title.If you PM a mod and ask very nicely you can get a custom title :)
They keep saying on Reddit that geekhack is a clique-ish place. I just want to know how to A) infiltrate the inner circle a la Mean Girls; and B) get a custom title.If you PM a mod and ask very nicely you can get a custom title :)
The Ducky Mini is one of the ugliest keyboards I have ever seen.Show Image(https://i.imgur.com/HddaZaP.png)
I had one for a while - didn't really like it and sold it.
Lack of programmability is a killer.
The mouse functionality however is pretty cool and I'd like to see it on more boards
I think demik should have been banned in the GH 60 thread, not Glissant.
;D
I think demik should have been banned in the GH 60 thread, not Glissant.
;D
Backlighting in general is super overrated.
reported for having an opinionI think demik should have been banned in the GH 60 thread, not Glissant.
;D
Daaww, did something I say hurt your little feelings?
Glissant didn't get banned, he got muted. If you're too sensitive there is the report button in the bottom right hand corner of all my posts where u can report anything I say. You can start with this post.
If I had one wish, I'd wish that ArthurM from Massdrop would unexpectedly step on a rusty nail or a lego every single day for the rest of his life.
did he pour salt in your coffee?
I have so much hate in my heart. Only ArthurM's death will slake my bloodlust.
My custom title would say something about space cats :)
My custom title would say something about space cats :)
EEEEEY!! That's what's uuup!
Thanks whoever fulfilled my dreams ;D
I don't understand why any mech enthusiast would buy a non-split keyboard other than A) price; or B) switch selection.
I don't understand why any mech enthusiast would buy a non-split keyboard other than A) price; or B) switch selection.
I don't understand why any mech enthusiast would buy a non-split keyboard other than A) price; or B) switch selection.
I bought the TKL version of the Razer BlackWidow Chroma Stealth and absolutely love it. The only Cherry switches I might possibly like more than Razer's are greens.
So do I win this thread?
LED backlight looks like **** on 99.9% of keyboards. Reminds me of those ****ty PC mods with a plexi glass window and LED bar that flickers to the bass of a song; i.e., super tacky. The only decent looking ones are the white led with a very low brightness.
LED backlight looks like **** on 99.9% of keyboards. Reminds me of those ****ty PC mods with a plexi glass window and LED bar that flickers to the bass of a song; i.e., super tacky. The only decent looking ones are the white led with a very low brightness.
You mean like this?Show Image(http://www.gonskeyboardworks.com/223-thickbox_default/gon-ns-nerd-crystal-mobik-w-tuningassembly.jpg)
Shots fired
I don't understand why any mech enthusiast would buy a non-split keyboard other than A) price; or B) switch selection.
Having a fixed distance between hands isn't necessarily bad (like in a Kinesis or Maltron), and it can be less fiddly to move a keyboard like that than to adjust each hand individually.
/Wish the Maltron had an aluminum plate and a bit more heft, though
I like Romer-G switches (only for gaming), even if the G910/310 have god-awful keycaps.
those LED usb cables are ****ing hideous. what am i, a 9 year old raver?LED backlight looks like **** on 99.9% of keyboards. Reminds me of those ****ty PC mods with a plexi glass window and LED bar that flickers to the bass of a song; i.e., super tacky. The only decent looking ones are the white led with a very low brightness.
You mean like this?Show Image(http://www.gonskeyboardworks.com/223-thickbox_default/gon-ns-nerd-crystal-mobik-w-tuningassembly.jpg)
Shots fired
Yup. Might as well add one of these:Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/DGRTAEu.jpg)
ITT half of GH doesn't like backlight
I'M FREAKING OUT MANNShow Image(http://pre01.deviantart.net/52aa/th/pre/i/2007/288/f/8/rave_lights_guy_1_by_photoboy1002001.jpg)
Right. Because you get keyboards to look at them, not to _type_ on them. 99% of Geekhack in the nutshell.I don't understand why any mech enthusiast would buy a non-split keyboard other than A) price; or B) switch selection.
If only most split boards didn't look awful
Sorry I wish they looked a bit better? It's a pretty valid complaintRight. Because you get keyboards to look at them, not to _type_ on them. 99% of Geekhack in the nutshell.I don't understand why any mech enthusiast would buy a non-split keyboard other than A) price; or B) switch selection.
If only most split boards didn't look awful
I bet you get clothes to look good and not to protect yourselves from the weather too. Wtf is wrong with you people? /s
As for an actual unpopular opinion... I like the shine on ABS keycaps, and I like the texture too. The problem is consistency. It sucks when there's only shine on home row/wasd cluster and nowhere else.
Wouldn't you prefer them naked though?I bet you get clothes to look good and not to protect yourselves from the weather too. Wtf is wrong with you people? /s
Women sure as hell do.
Heels, thongs, crop tops, low cut shirts, skin tight pants, shorts with half the ass hanging out and I think they hate bras also. None of that can be comfortable/protect you from the elements. But they still buy it.
and I'm glad they do. Form over function ladies, don't you change that!
Not all the time, no. A naked woman is nice and all, but one dressed up nicely is sometimes more appealing.Wouldn't you prefer them naked though?I bet you get clothes to look good and not to protect yourselves from the weather too. Wtf is wrong with you people? /s
Women sure as hell do.
Heels, thongs, crop tops, low cut shirts, skin tight pants, shorts with half the ass hanging out and I think they hate bras also. None of that can be comfortable/protect you from the elements. But they still buy it.
and I'm glad they do. Form over function ladies, don't you change that!
* Cherry stabilisers > Costar stabilisers.Absolutely.
That's cool and stuff, but the analogy fails, when it comes to utility.Not all the time, no. A naked woman is nice and all, but one dressed up nicely is sometimes more appealing.Wouldn't you prefer them naked though?I bet you get clothes to look good and not to protect yourselves from the weather too. Wtf is wrong with you people? /s
Women sure as hell do.
Heels, thongs, crop tops, low cut shirts, skin tight pants, shorts with half the ass hanging out and I think they hate bras also. None of that can be comfortable/protect you from the elements. But they still buy it.
and I'm glad they do. Form over function ladies, don't you change that!
No need to gender this. Men also wear all kinds of silly things to match the style of whatever subculture they belong to, or to show respect, or to show their sexual desperation, or whatever.I bet you get clothes to look good and not to protect yourselves from the weather too. Wtf is wrong with you people? /sWomen sure as hell do.
I'm sick of black keyboards, there are way too many of them. Something like a white Filco tkl shouldn't be such a rare thing.
Custom keyboards are cool, but I don't see the reason for customizing function layers that you can't depend on if you use different machines regularly.
I wish i could like the hhkb, it's beautiful and having a blank white one would be soooper cool, but I refuse to relearn certain key locations.
flipped spacebar annoys me... I tried it, but not for me.
I think having separate WASD keycaps is ugly and unnecessary...
...I don't own a topre board, how's that for unpopular? :).
(http://i.imgur.com/8m4wopZ.gif)I'm sick of black keyboards, there are way too many of them. Something like a white Filco tkl shouldn't be such a rare thing.
Custom keyboards are cool, but I don't see the reason for customizing function layers that you can't depend on if you use different machines regularly.
I wish i could like the hhkb, it's beautiful and having a blank white one would be soooper cool, but I refuse to relearn certain key locations.
flipped spacebar annoys me... I tried it, but not for me.
I think having separate WASD keycaps is ugly and unnecessary...
...I don't own a topre board, how's that for unpopular? :).
repaint them or;
discard your retail boards, replace with all customs.
there´s nothing cool about the hhkb except the layout, and even that needs changes, hence, customs. (and well, they're hilariously overpriced pieces of plastic)
alot of people find flipped spacebars an abonomination.
alot of people also find "special" keycaps for WASD repulsive.
quite popular, since well, theyre just hyped slider over domes...
I think Kishsaver looks ugly as ****
I think Kishsaver looks ugly as ****
I think Kishsaver looks ugly as ****
Wait... this is unpopular?
Yeah, best looking numpad by farI think Kishsaver looks ugly as ****
Wait... this is unpopular?
I love how they look, the giant vintage stuff is cool. It's why I still use a G80-3700.
Yeah, best looking numpad by farI think Kishsaver looks ugly as ****
Wait... this is unpopular?
I love how they look, the giant vintage stuff is cool. It's why I still use a G80-3700.
I bet you get clothes to look good and not to protect yourselves from the weather too. Wtf is wrong with you people? /sGood thing I went to reply to this and saw that /s lol
I'd rather put a dead rat on my desk than one of those ergonomic monstrosities.Ergodox is pretty small, are you talking about a G80-5000?
Pretty much any of them, even the rat-sized variety. I just think they're *really* ugly.I'd rather put a dead rat on my desk than one of those ergonomic monstrosities.Ergodox is pretty small, are you talking about a G80-5000?
I think Kishsaver looks ugly as ****
I think the only IBM boards worth getting are Model Fs; however, all Model F keyboards have a horrible layout.
Gon keyboards are unnecessarily priced. All his boards are just glorified plates.
I think Kishsaver looks ugly as ****
I think the only IBM boards worth getting are Model Fs; however, all Model F keyboards have a horrible layout.
Thank you. I agree with this statement for the most part. However, Model M's are definitely better than most everything available currently.
I think Kishsaver looks ugly as ****
I think the only IBM boards worth getting are Model Fs; however, all Model F keyboards have a horrible layout.
Thank you. I agree with this statement for the most part. However, Model M's are definitely better than most everything available currently.
I just can't get behind Model Ms. They've all felt lackluster to me. Orange, Cream, Green, Salmon, and Blue Alps and the HHKB are way better, IMO. It's a wash with stock MX, at least with linear and tactile, Blues and Greens just suck. Modded linear and tactile MX switches are better though.
Of course, I don't care for clicky keyboards, so I already have that against the Model M.
I don't like clicky keyboards, but the Model F actually feels pleasant to type on. You can differentiate between feel and sound and your particular dislikes on one spectrum can be overcome by likes on others. In fact, almost all decisions are ones of contradictory tastes where you don't like certain things, but the overall feel/taste/sight/etc outweighs the negative. The feel of the switches and the sturdiness and heft of Model Fs outweigh my dislike for clicky switches. Model Ms just feel like cheap toys to me. Coupled with the clickiness it makes fit a board I don't care for in the least.
I don't like clicky keyboards, but the Model F actually feels pleasant to type on. You can differentiate between feel and sound and your particular dislikes on one spectrum can be overcome by likes on others. In fact, almost all decisions are ones of contradictory tastes where you don't like certain things, but the overall feel/taste/sight/etc outweighs the negative. The feel of the switches and the sturdiness and heft of Model Fs outweigh my dislike for clicky switches. Model Ms just feel like cheap toys to me. Coupled with the clickiness it makes fit a board I don't care for in the least.
I think boards where all the function keys are swapped with artisans looks childish. If there's more than 2 maybe 3 artisans than it's too much.
I think boards where all the function keys are swapped with artisans looks childish. If there's more than 2 maybe 3 artisans than it's too much.
1 is too much. If I wanted my keyboard to look like a gumball toy machine threw up all over it I'd just save the money and glue literal garbage to the keys.
This seems unpopular right now, but I like how the colors for TA turned out. Wish I'd bought in now.
This seems unpopular right now, but I like how the colors for TA turned out. Wish I'd bought in now.
TKL is the least practical standard layout.
stock greetech is better than stock cherryI do not get the hype of other switches. Gaterons are nice, but I will take my vintage blacks over them. I haven't tried greetech, but they don't have any thing special, unlike gateron.
Apples to oranges. There's hype because the stock of one is better than the stock of the other.stock greetech is better than stock cherryI do not get the hype of other switches. Gaterons are nice, but I will take my vintage blacks over them. I haven't tried greetech, but they don't have any thing special, unlike gateron.
I just can't get behind Model Ms. They've all felt lackluster to me. Orange, Cream, Green, Salmon, and Blue Alps and the HHKB are way better, IMO. It's a wash with stock MX, at least with linear and tactile, Blues and Greens just suck. Modded linear and tactile MX switches are better though.
Of course, I don't care for clicky keyboards, so I already have that against the Model M.
I hate the way GMK keycaps feel.
What is the growing trend towards keyboards that have just blanks on them? I suppose it does give them a "clean" look, but sort of makes it hard to find your way around sometimes.
I do touch type, and I can get along without legends if I have the F and J keys for indexing. However, I think I am opposite to the "blank" keys.
I would rather find keyboards with nice legends. The problem is, a lot of new keyboards just have decals or legends that leave a lot to be desired, and maybe that's why people are buying more sets with no legends at all.
Maybe in the future. Who knows?
What is the growing trend towards keyboards that have just blanks on them? I suppose it does give them a "clean" look, but sort of makes it hard to find your way around sometimes.
I do touch type, and I can get along without legends if I have the F and J keys for indexing. However, I think I am opposite to the "blank" keys.
I would rather find keyboards with nice legends. The problem is, a lot of new keyboards just have decals or legends that leave a lot to be desired, and maybe that's why people are buying more sets with no legends at all.
Maybe in the future. Who knows?
What are vintage blacks anyways? I got a pile of them and almost every switch feels different, some feel smooth, some feel like new blacks. My Gaterons feel as good as the smooth Cherry blacks I got and this is consistent for every switch.stock greetech is better than stock cherryI do not get the hype of other switches. Gaterons are nice, but I will take my vintage blacks over them. I haven't tried greetech, but they don't have any thing special, unlike gateron.
i am pretty convinced that if you don't give yourself the opportunity to look at your legends, you'll get used to it a lot faster than you may expect.Damn numberrow is my worst enemy! >:D
i am pretty convinced that if you don't give yourself the opportunity to look at your legends, you'll get used to it a lot faster than you may expect.Damn numberrow is my worst enemy! >:D
What is the growing trend towards keyboards that have just blanks on them? I suppose it does give them a "clean" look, but sort of makes it hard to find your way around sometimes.
I do touch type, and I can get along without legends if I have the F and J keys for indexing. However, I think I am opposite to the "blank" keys.
I would rather find keyboards with nice legends. The problem is, a lot of new keyboards just have decals or legends that leave a lot to be desired, and maybe that's why people are buying more sets with no legends at all.
Maybe in the future. Who knows?
this is not really 'new' in the hobbyist scene and nice legends will never die out.
i am pretty convinced that if you don't give yourself the opportunity to look at your legends, you'll get used to it a lot faster than you may expect. also in my it gives the added benefit of people in my office not using my computer (in addition to running a /g/ style linux setup, it's pretty imposing to most folks... dont touch my stuff plebs).
it definitely has something to do with the look though, you're right about that. but there are other reasons.
It's also harder and more expensive to get keycaps for non-english layouts.What is the growing trend towards keyboards that have just blanks on them? I suppose it does give them a "clean" look, but sort of makes it hard to find your way around sometimes.
I do touch type, and I can get along without legends if I have the F and J keys for indexing. However, I think I am opposite to the "blank" keys.
I would rather find keyboards with nice legends. The problem is, a lot of new keyboards just have decals or legends that leave a lot to be desired, and maybe that's why people are buying more sets with no legends at all.
Maybe in the future. Who knows?
this is not really 'new' in the hobbyist scene and nice legends will never die out.
i am pretty convinced that if you don't give yourself the opportunity to look at your legends, you'll get used to it a lot faster than you may expect. also in my it gives the added benefit of people in my office not using my computer (in addition to running a /g/ style linux setup, it's pretty imposing to most folks... dont touch my stuff plebs).
it definitely has something to do with the look though, you're right about that. but there are other reasons.
i am pretty convinced that if you don't give yourself the opportunity to look at your legends, you'll get used to it a lot faster than you may expect.Damn numberrow is my worst enemy! >:D
I stopped because for this very reason, number row is a bish
This seems unpopular right now, but I like how the colors for TA turned out. Wish I'd bought in now.
Indeed, many pictures were off with the mods being either too blue or too teal. Also, in almost any pictures, the Alphas look white, which they aren't.This seems unpopular right now, but I like how the colors for TA turned out. Wish I'd bought in now.
Which picture(s) are you basing this on? I don't think I've seen an accurate representation of the colours anywhere. Very hard to capture it would seem.
This is why I keep my D50 around. No CMOS censor is as color accurate as the old school CCD sensors.Especially the Alpha keys look on point.
Color calibrated U2410. Shot RAW with neutral profile. No editing. Saved as png. The file uploaded to imgur doesn't perfectly match the local file I have in Photoshop but it is really close. The file in Photoshop I can hold the keycap up to the screen and it matches as close as my eyes can tell.Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/VIrGmFa.png)
Edit:
It seems imgur plays more nicely with jpg. These two shots are identical on my local PC. The jpg below is the accurate one.Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/0rxJFwH.jpg)
i dont really like clacks
I know it is probably just me, but I think the teal in GMK TA looks like bird **** and I hate it.
I know it is probably just me, but I think the teal in GMK TA looks like bird **** and I hate it.
Have you seen a set in person? My opinion on key sets usually changes a lot when I see the set in person, either I love it even more than I thought or maybe not so much.
I know it is probably just me, but I think the teal in GMK TA looks like bird **** and I hate it.
Have you seen a set in person? My opinion on key sets usually changes a lot when I see the set in person, either I love it even more than I thought or maybe not so much.
I had a set and sold it already.
I know it is probably just me, but I think the teal in GMK TA looks like bird **** and I hate it.
All mechanical keyboards include mx, topre, bs.... are over price
ripster did nothing wrong.
ripster did nothing wrong.
ooooooh
ripster did nothing wrong.
I know it is probably just me, but I think the teal in GMK TA looks like bird **** and I hate it.
raindrop v2
Ugh fine raindrop v3 then. But yes the joke I'm making is that it's raindropI know it is probably just me, but I think the teal in GMK TA looks like bird **** and I hate it.
raindrop v2
? Are you saying that GMK TA should be renamed Raindrop V2? Or that it looks the same as V2? Cause there was already a Raindrop V2.
Ugh fine raindrop v3 then. But yes the joke I'm making is that it's raindropI know it is probably just me, but I think the teal in GMK TA looks like bird **** and I hate it.
raindrop v2
? Are you saying that GMK TA should be renamed Raindrop V2? Or that it looks the same as V2? Cause there was already a Raindrop V2.
5. I hate gamer looking or branded keyboards (razer, corsair, logitech, ect.)
i hope the artisan bubble pops soon.demik pls.
tired of seeing new "makers" bringing out **** just to get a quick buck.
i hope the artisan bubble pops soon.demik pls.
tired of seeing new "makers" bringing out **** just to get a quick buck.
Agree with that doe. I like the new makers who start out selling at reasonable prices like $5 to cover materials, or even giving away their first trial keys.i hope the artisan bubble pops soon.demik pls.
tired of seeing new "makers" bringing out **** just to get a quick buck.
it is kinda silly seeing new makers selling sub par caps for $20+
Why are the rightmost keys in the main cluster so long? This kills the symmetry. How things ought to be:What, are you Johnny Ive or something? :rolleyes: You just described the layout of an Apple keyboard.
i hope the artisan bubble pops soon.On this note I will share my opinion Clacks are meh, I have just been plinking mine around my desk most of today not a crack at the artist just think they aren't as good as everyone makes them seem :p but if clack makes some tiddly winks that stuff with be off the walls cool!
tired of seeing new "makers" bringing out **** just to get a quick buck.
i hope the artisan bubble pops soon.On this note I will share my opinion Clacks are meh, I have just been plinking mine around my desk most of today not a crack at the artist just think they aren't as good as everyone makes them seem :p but if clack makes some tiddly winks that stuff with be off the walls cool!
tired of seeing new "makers" bringing out **** just to get a quick buck.
i hope the artisan bubble pops soon.On this note I will share my opinion Clacks are meh, I have just been plinking mine around my desk most of today not a crack at the artist just think they aren't as good as everyone makes them seem :p but if clack makes some tiddly winks that stuff with be off the walls cool!
tired of seeing new "makers" bringing out **** just to get a quick buck.
i hope the artisan bubble pops soon.On this note I will share my opinion Clacks are meh, I have just been plinking mine around my desk most of today not a crack at the artist just think they aren't as good as everyone makes them seem :p but if clack makes some tiddly winks that stuff with be off the walls cool!
tired of seeing new "makers" bringing out **** just to get a quick buck.
Why are the rightmost keys in the main cluster so long? This kills the symmetry. How things ought to be:
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And the argument that micro-USB is flawed in regards to lateral movement? Seriously, what are you doing with your keyboard? Its a static object. Why is there lateral movement on your keyboard cable??? Are you swinging it like a flail!? That's like arguing that nobody should buy a Prius because it can't tow a boat.
I just don't like how keyboards seem to be stuck in the past.
And the argument that micro-USB is flawed in regards to lateral movement? Seriously, what are you doing with your keyboard? Its a static object. Why is there lateral movement on your keyboard cable??? Are you swinging it like a flail!? That's like arguing that nobody should buy a Prius because it can't tow a boat.
I haven't done any jerky movements with cable or whatsoever and still got this:
(http://i.imgur.com/DGyCLuP.jpg) (http://imgur.com/DGyCLuP)
Also I would like to complain about "sturdy" build quality that Matias keyboard has, as I'm not the only user who's having that problem with SMD-mounted micro-USB connector
I just don't like how keyboards seem to be stuck in the past.
In the future, you might actually appreciate a real keyboard from the past.
I'm not using a 30 year old PC, or even a 5 year old PC. I can get the same, or similar typing experience I've had in the past 20 years from a new board just as well as an old one. I don't think asking for a modern option for connecting my input devices is asking a lot.
As for unpopular opinions, I think keysets like Dolch and Classic Beige are boring as hell. They have their place, and they do look timeless and classic and all that, but there is no excitement to it at all.
i hope the artisan bubble pops soon.demik pls.
tired of seeing new "makers" bringing out **** just to get a quick buck.
it is kinda silly seeing new makers selling sub par caps for $20+
And the argument that micro-USB is flawed in regards to lateral movement? Seriously, what are you doing with your keyboard? Its a static object. Why is there lateral movement on your keyboard cable??? Are you swinging it like a flail!? That's like arguing that nobody should buy a Prius because it can't tow a boat.
I haven't done any jerky movements with cable or whatsoever and still got this:
(http://i.imgur.com/DGyCLuP.jpg) (http://imgur.com/DGyCLuP)
Also I would like to complain about "sturdy" build quality that Matias keyboard has, as I'm not the only user who's having that problem with SMD-mounted micro-USB connector
That's a flawed soldering job. The metal tabs from the case didn't have solder adhered to them properly (cold joints). I'd sent it back for at least a refund of the board.
MicroUSB is rated for more insertions and removals and is more solid overall. Nokia switched pretty early in the phone scene and didn't look back. I think keyboards should have, too.
-I dislike artisan caps and would never let one near my keyboard. They look tacky and give off a vibe similar to that of a large and unnecessary spoiler on a car
-Backlit keyboards are pointless. I'd compare their utility to that of car underglow
The skulls were good once upon a time, and I can understand the respect Clack gets. But his Ogres are really where it's at. The first skull I got was out the door pretty quick once I saw it in person. The design just doesn't hold up well offline to me, but they definitely look great with a macro lens.
yeah im real ****ing tired of all things dolch.I'm not using a 30 year old PC, or even a 5 year old PC. I can get the same, or similar typing experience I've had in the past 20 years from a new board just as well as an old one. I don't think asking for a modern option for connecting my input devices is asking a lot.
To be fair though, no one is saying you have to stick with a PS/2 connection just because that is what came with the board originally. I use an SSK at home, and it uses a USB cable. Sure as hell didn't come that way from the factory! I have the original PS/2 cable as well, in the event I need it. As for a more complex switch, like taking a terminal board and converting it, the challenge is part of the appeal. Some people like to tinker with with things and make them their own. I can understand that isn't for everyone. Older boards can give you a totally different typing experience. Is it tinged with a bit of nostalgia? Sure, but I think that is part of the experience.
As for unpopular opinions, I think keysets like Dolch and Classic Beige are boring as hell. They have their place, and they do look timeless and classic and all that, but there is no excitement to it at all.
A contradiction is not an argument.Yes it is :P
Agreed dolch is boreing but that said Inlike Olivetti just because of the blue, anything and everything beige can go away it's a horrible colour and I don't understand why people like it so much .-.yeah im real ****ing tired of all things dolch.I'm not using a 30 year old PC, or even a 5 year old PC. I can get the same, or similar typing experience I've had in the past 20 years from a new board just as well as an old one. I don't think asking for a modern option for connecting my input devices is asking a lot.
To be fair though, no one is saying you have to stick with a PS/2 connection just because that is what came with the board originally. I use an SSK at home, and it uses a USB cable. Sure as hell didn't come that way from the factory! I have the original PS/2 cable as well, in the event I need it. As for a more complex switch, like taking a terminal board and converting it, the challenge is part of the appeal. Some people like to tinker with with things and make them their own. I can understand that isn't for everyone. Older boards can give you a totally different typing experience. Is it tinged with a bit of nostalgia? Sure, but I think that is part of the experience.
As for unpopular opinions, I think keysets like Dolch and Classic Beige are boring as hell. They have their place, and they do look timeless and classic and all that, but there is no excitement to it at all.
dolch this dolch that.
rehashing same keysets over and over.
ffs let it go already.
People who use anything bigger than a 60% should use the mouse on the left side, to distribute better the inputs between the hands.FTFY
Its super easy, after two weeks its natural. Or maybe the fact that I'm ambidextroushelps me a lotliterally makes this at all viable
People who use anything bigger than a 60% should use the mouse on the left side, to distribute better the inputs between the hands.FTFY
Its super easy, after two weeks its natural. Or maybe the fact that I'm ambidextroushelps me a lotliterally makes this at all viable
People who use anything bigger than a 60% should use the mouse on the left side, to distribute better the inputs between the hands.FTFY
Its super easy, after two weeks its natural. Or maybe the fact that I'm ambidextroushelps me a lotliterally makes this at all viable
Invert the mouse buttons and try it. It will all make sense :D
People who use anything bigger than a 60% should use the mouse on the left side, to distribute better the inputs between the hands.FTFY
Its super easy, after two weeks its natural. Or maybe the fact that I'm ambidextroushelps me a lotliterally makes this at all viable
Invert the mouse buttons and try it. It will all make sense :D
it still feels like I'm controlling the mouse with my foot
I don't just flip my spacebar. I flip my whole bottom row.
I'm bored having my keyboard , on the table and just being pressed over and over again
can't we do anything else with it?
I'm bored having my keyboard , on the table and just being pressed over and over again
can't we do anything else with it?
If you buy a heavier keyboard....say a KMAC or an IBM, you could do some light weight lifting with it in your home.
People who use anything bigger than a 60% should use the mouse on the left side, to distribute better the inputs between the hands.FTFY
Its super easy, after two weeks its natural. Or maybe the fact that I'm ambidextroushelps me a lotliterally makes this at all viable
Invert the mouse buttons and try it. It will all make sense :D
it still feels like I'm controlling the mouse with my foot
Another one of mine: I can't understand the obsession with buying keysets. To me, the fun is in building and tinkering with a board, buying a keyset is just making a purchase, there's nothing interesting about that, no matter how good it looks.
It this vein, I prefer building my boards to look interesting, because that gives me a lasting feeling of achievement in the cool-ness of their appearance, and then I stick with simple, complimentary, high quality keysets.Another one of mine: I can't understand the obsession with buying keysets. To me, the fun is in building and tinkering with a board, buying a keyset is just making a purchase, there's nothing interesting about that, no matter how good it looks.
It's a fleeting pursuit of novelty. In my experience, you get the feeling of having something exciting and new, and then a couple weeks later it seems "boring" and you're back to looking at more keysets. Having moved to Topre, I kind of think the paucity of keycap options might actually be a good thing.
Filco is overrated.
This isn't even edgy anymore, but Cherry-branded switches suck.
Well yeah, I'm saying the opposite. Cherry brand suck, not Cherry footprint in generalThis isn't even edgy anymore, but Cherry-branded switches suck.
Maybe if you said Gateron sucked
What's the point of non aluminum keyboard case :(Agreed, unless you want bottom/side lighting.
Al is much much better, pc case too...
What's the point of non aluminum keyboard case :(
Al is much much better, pc case too...
it just a keyboardTruer words have never been spoken in all of Geekhack.
its just a keyboard -written on my 250 dollar hhkb that was produced for twelve dollars
I didn't realize this was the edgy thread.
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i love this dell keyboard
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i love this dell keyboard
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i love this dell keyboard
Why? I could probably get a bunch of them at the Outlet nearby for really cheap if I wanted. I never liked those keyboards. The Keytronic I have is better than that thing. Ugh! Are you serious?
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i love this dell keyboard
Why? I could probably get a bunch of them at the Outlet nearby for really cheap if I wanted. I never liked those keyboards. The Keytronic I have is better than that thing. Ugh! Are you serious?
it has all the keys i need, doesn't feel terrible, all keys are in normal size, and it is cheap
it is cheapThe chief concern of Geekhackers everywhere
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i love this dell keyboard
Why? I could probably get a bunch of them at the Outlet nearby for really cheap if I wanted. I never liked those keyboards. The Keytronic I have is better than that thing. Ugh! Are you serious?
it has all the keys i need, doesn't feel terrible, all keys are in normal size, and it is cheap
True, it is cheap. You won't have any legends on it after a while. It feels like a, well, rubberdome keyboard.
Edit: I had to make an addendum to this comment. I have used these in the past, and I can tell you from personal experience that after a period of time, not only do you lose your legends, but then keys will stop registering, *ESPECIALLY* on the number row. It is flimsy, flexes terribly, and has lousy feedback after using it for a while. I'm sorry, but I really had to make a comment before more people actually find these things to be "great" keyboards. They are anything but.
The problem with full size keyboards isn't the size, it's the ergonomics. If the num pad was on the left, most problems would be solved.
Not sure how unpopular this is, but I think DSA Dolch may be genuinely one of the worst keycap sets ever.
I agree, I find basically all DSA sets nasty, with the exception of probably valentine.Not sure how unpopular this is, but I think DSA Dolch may be genuinely one of the worst keycap sets ever.
Not sure about the Dolch part but DSA in general is definitely not for me..
As far as unpopular opinions? Alps SKCM/L switches are far better than any Cherry MX switch and things would've been a lot more amazing to see Alps as the paradigm over Cherry MX.Not as an unpopular opinion as you'd think. In fact I wouldn't call it one at all, there are tons of people that swear by alps. The problem is most people haven't tried them so they can't make an informed decision one way or the other
As far as unpopular opinions? Alps SKCM/L switches are far better than any Cherry MX switch and things would've been a lot more amazing to see Alps as the paradigm over Cherry MX.Not as an unpopular opinion as you'd think. In fact I wouldn't call it one at all, there are tons of people that swear by alps. The problem is most people haven't tried them so they can't make an informed decision one way or the other
As far as unpopular opinions? Alps SKCM/L switches are far better than any Cherry MX switch and things would've been a lot more amazing to see Alps as the paradigm over Cherry MX.Not as an unpopular opinion as you'd think. In fact I wouldn't call it one at all, there are tons of people that swear by alps. The problem is most people haven't tried them so they can't make an informed decision one way or the other
That's a good point, my good sir. Though I'd say that it's at least not a popular opinion, but more so based out of obscurity than anything negative, pretty much like you said. The accessibility when it comes to having an Alps keyboard is very limited these days. Either vintages, Matias, or GB-limited keyboards like the Infinity and certain customs.
The world needs more Alps love.
As far as unpopular opinions? Alps SKCM/L switches are far better than any Cherry MX switch and things would've been a lot more amazing to see Alps as the paradigm over Cherry MX.Not as an unpopular opinion as you'd think. In fact I wouldn't call it one at all, there are tons of people that swear by alps. The problem is most people haven't tried them so they can't make an informed decision one way or the other
That's a good point, my good sir. Though I'd say that it's at least not a popular opinion, but more so based out of obscurity than anything negative, pretty much like you said. The accessibility when it comes to having an Alps keyboard is very limited these days. Either vintages, Matias, or GB-limited keyboards like the Infinity and certain customs.
The world needs more Alps love.
Although luckily for alps lovers it seems as thought there's been a conscious effort made to accommodate them, with boards that have alps support. Wouldn't be surprised to see even more in the future
In 99.9% of applications, backlighting is hideous and makes keyboards look like the desktop equivalent ofShow Image(http://dailyurbanculture.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/11/54.jpg)
In 99.9% of applications, backlighting is hideous and makes keyboards look like the desktop equivalent ofShow Image(http://dailyurbanculture.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/11/54.jpg)
In 99.9% of applications, backlighting is hideous and makes keyboards look like the desktop equivalent ofShow Image(http://dailyurbanculture.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/11/54.jpg)
I can understand backlighting for the keys for people who actually need to look down in the dark. I don't hate on people who cannot type.
I cannot understand underlighting or whatever you want to call it like that car has.
3 and 2 I mostly agree with... but the layout of HHKB is sort of personal preference. I personally don't like it.
60% boards + numpad is the way to go in regards to #1 IMO. then you get arrow keys + other keys for productivity, and numbers if you are into that.
and you can just put it away if you need the space more. but the main reason I guess is because I have my mouse + kb quite close to one another, and prefer space on the right side of the kb.
so it just feels nicer on the left side.
1. I cannot stand 60% boards either, I don't think they look attractive what so ever and although using a HHKB was an enjoyable experience, I couldn't ever use it as my daily driver.
2. I don't like TKL boards, I think they're too big, but I'm currently forcing myself to change because of bad past experiences with 75% boards.
3. I don't think the HHKB is over-rated per say, but I do think they're a bit overpriced.
4. I cannot stand blank keycaps, I think they are a waste of money and just do not look that appealing/attractive to me. (I'm currently using Leopold stealth keys, side printed keycaps essentially and I can only just tolerate using these).
5. I think a lot of these esc key replacements, the gas masks, the helmets and all that kind of stuff are just repulsive and why someone would want to put that on their keyboard in the first place is beyond me.
In 99.9% of applications, backlighting is hideous and makes keyboards look like the desktop equivalent ofShow Image(http://dailyurbanculture.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/11/54.jpg)
I can understand backlighting for the keys for people who actually need to look down in the dark. I don't hate on people who cannot type.
I cannot understand underlighting or whatever you want to call it like that car has.
answer: rice
In 99.9% of applications, backlighting is hideous and makes keyboards look like the desktop equivalent ofShow Image(http://dailyurbanculture.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/11/54.jpg)
I can understand backlighting for the keys for people who actually need to look down in the dark. I don't hate on people who cannot type.
I cannot understand underlighting or whatever you want to call it like that car has.
Sure, but nobody needs ugly ass RGB pulsing **** to see their keys, and most backlit mechanical keyboards seem about 10x brighter than they need to be, with light pouring out of every orifice. Apple laptop keyboards do it just right -- the bare minimum amount of illumination needed to see the letters.
The worst thing about LEDs- especially on a keyboard- is that they're distracting and draw the eye away from the screen, especially when you're like me and you prefer to use your PC in the dark.Yeah it's pretty much just a race to the most garish LEDs you can find. I'd much rather have something with a soft, even, white glow than incredibly bright rgb on each key
Even on the lowest brightness level my Poseidon Z's backlighting glares at the edge of my vision and really hurts my PC usage experience.
I am not going to lie, ISO is a superior layout to ISO as far as layout goes. The only downside IMO is the keycap compatibility.Heard it here folks. ISO beats ISO.
fixed :PI am not going to lie, ISO is a superior layout to ISO as far as layout goes. The only downside IMO is the keycap compatibility.Heard it here folks. ISO beats ISO.
I am not going to lie, ISO is a superior layout to ANSI as far as layout goes. The only downside IMO is the keycap compatibility.Could you elaborate on why you feel this way? I'm thinking of going ISO just so I can use my OG Cherry QWERTZ set in its entirety, but I just can't get over that ridiculous looking enter key.
a tad bit more keys. It took me a few minutes to get used to the short lshift and the ISO enter, but I enjoy them more. Makes me feel like I have more keys. I have a French AZERTY layout and soon a QWERTZ layout coming. FWIW you don't have to actually make your board the way the keys are lol. Windows auto-works out the ISO layout. It just makes the 2 extra keys \|I am not going to lie, ISO is a superior layout to ANSI as far as layout goes. The only downside IMO is the keycap compatibility.Could you elaborate on why you feel this way? I'm thinking of going ISO just so I can use my OG Cherry QWERTZ set in its entirety, but I just can't get over that ridiculous looking enter key.
I know, but there's something pristine about using the whole set just the way it was meant to be used. I'm already planning on a tsangan bottom row just for that purpose.FWIW you don't have to actually make your board the way the keys are lol. Windows auto-works out the ISO layout. It just makes the 2 extra keys \|I am not going to lie, ISO is a superior layout to ANSI as far as layout goes. The only downside IMO is the keycap compatibility.Could you elaborate on why you feel this way? I'm thinking of going ISO just so I can use my OG Cherry QWERTZ set in its entirety, but I just can't get over that ridiculous looking enter key.
yeah, wkl bottom layout it the best. But are you going to actually use it as qwertz?I know, but there's something pristine about using the whole set just the way it was meant to be used. I'm already planning on a tsangan bottom row just for that purpose.FWIW you don't have to actually make your board the way the keys are lol. Windows auto-works out the ISO layout. It just makes the 2 extra keys \|I am not going to lie, ISO is a superior layout to ANSI as far as layout goes. The only downside IMO is the keycap compatibility.Could you elaborate on why you feel this way? I'm thinking of going ISO just so I can use my OG Cherry QWERTZ set in its entirety, but I just can't get over that ridiculous looking enter key.
yeah, wkl bottom layout it the best. But are you going to actually use it as qwertz?I know, but there's something pristine about using the whole set just the way it was meant to be used. I'm already planning on a tsangan bottom row just for that purpose.FWIW you don't have to actually make your board the way the keys are lol. Windows auto-works out the ISO layout. It just makes the 2 extra keys \|I am not going to lie, ISO is a superior layout to ANSI as far as layout goes. The only downside IMO is the keycap compatibility.Could you elaborate on why you feel this way? I'm thinking of going ISO just so I can use my OG Cherry QWERTZ set in its entirety, but I just can't get over that ridiculous looking enter key.
But are you going to actually use it as qwertz?Sometimes, I'll be switching between QWERTZ and Dvorak depending on whether I'm typing English or German
WKL is horrible if you actually use your OS to its potential.I totally agree with this actually, but I want the beauty of full Cherry doubleshots
Works for ansi, ISO people generally need the right alt that is AltGr for us.
Why no love for wkl but remapped os key to right alt?
Why no love for wkl but remapped os key to right alt?
I like to be able to do one handed key combos.
Why no love for wkl but remapped os key to right alt?
I like to be able to do one handed key combos.
Sounds like you need bigger hands.
Works for ansi, ISO people generally need the right alt that is AltGr for us.what does altgr do in iso?
Works for ansi, ISO people generally need the right alt that is AltGr for us.what does altgr do in iso?
Why no love for wkl but remapped os key to right alt?
I am not going to lie, ISO is a superior layout to ANSI as far as layout goes. The only downside IMO is the keycap compatibility.
Can anyone explain the superiority of ISO to me? I always thought ansi was better as the enter key is more reachable with the right pinky
LOL
The vast majority of aftermarket key sets are not suitable for most office environments. All artisan caps are unsuitable to work keyboards.
Flame away :P
The vast majority of aftermarket key sets are not suitable for most office environments. All artisan caps are unsuitable to work keyboards.
Flame away :P
The vast majority of aftermarket key sets are not suitable for most office environments. All artisan caps are unsuitable to work keyboards.I would agree about artisans, but I think a lot of the recent GMK sets are professional enough, even Hyperfuse. And many SA sets (Hackd, Retro) are fine, too.
Flame away
The vast majority of aftermarket key sets are not suitable for most office environments. All artisan caps are unsuitable to work keyboards.I would agree about artisans, but I think a lot of the recent GMK sets are professional enough, even Hyperfuse. And many SA sets (Hackd, Retro) are fine, too.
Flame away
The vast majority of aftermarket key sets are not suitable for most office environments. All artisan caps are unsuitable to work keyboards.I would agree about artisans, but I think a lot of the recent GMK sets are professional enough, even Hyperfuse. And many SA sets (Hackd, Retro) are fine, too.
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Yeah I think that Hyperfuse has a classy look to it. I think the accent keys might be pushing it in some workplaces but does anyone here even work at a place where they have been told off for how their keyboard looks?
The vast majority of aftermarket key sets are not suitable for most office environments. All artisan caps are unsuitable to work keyboards.
Flame away :P
For me, my biggest professional hangup is packaging. Don't get me wrong, I love looking at some of the envelope artwork you guys make around here, but I have everything delivered to the office because the commercial address usually gets things here a day earlier, plus then I don't have to worry about expensive goods sitting unattended on my front stoop all day. The only downside is potential funny looks from coworkers when stuff arrives with drawings on it. I'm still trying to figure out the balance there. Maybe I should get a PO box for keyboard stuff?
The vast majority of aftermarket key sets are not suitable for most office environments. All artisan caps are unsuitable to work keyboards.poor grooming or violating the dress code are one thing, but i honestly don't think there are any unspoken office rules regarding computer peripherals. personally speaking, i won't judge anyone for using a wacky looking keyboard or mouse, heck even beats get a pass from me
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The vast majority of aftermarket key sets are not suitable for most office environments. All artisan caps are unsuitable to work keyboards.poor grooming or violating the dress code are one thing, but i honestly don't think there are any unspoken office rules regarding computer peripherals. personally speaking, i won't judge anyone for using a wacky looking keyboard or mouse, heck even beats get a pass from me
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The vast majority of aftermarket key sets are not suitable for most office environments. All artisan caps are unsuitable to work keyboards.
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I tend to agree with this. For me, WoB + a splash of color is ideal at work.
The vast majority of aftermarket key sets are not suitable for most office environments. All artisan caps are unsuitable to work keyboards.poor grooming or violating the dress code are one thing, but i honestly don't think there are any unspoken office rules regarding computer peripherals. personally speaking, i won't judge anyone for using a wacky looking keyboard or mouse, heck even beats get a pass from me
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Yeah the only problem is now I'm the "keyboard guy" at work and everyone always assumes that any package coming is automatically another keyboard. I don't think they mean badly about it all though and most people will ask me about them
The vast majority of aftermarket key sets are not suitable for most office environments. All artisan caps are unsuitable to work keyboards.
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I tend to agree with this. For me, WoB + a splash of color is ideal at work.
Brought Bow 60% with CMYW + pink spacebar at school.
I was the guy with a pink keyboard from that point.
Before that the board was wearing blanks (how do you even type?).
My dyseubs where looked upon too.
Only keyset I put on that keyboard that didn't raise attention was Granite (until I put RGB mods on...).
The vast majority of aftermarket key sets are not suitable for most office environments. All artisan caps are unsuitable to work keyboards.poor grooming or violating the dress code are one thing, but i honestly don't think there are any unspoken office rules regarding computer peripherals. personally speaking, i won't judge anyone for using a wacky looking keyboard or mouse, heck even beats get a pass from me
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u guys think it'll be OK to take my gon to work?
KappaPride
u guys think it'll be OK to take my gon to work?
KappaPride
depends on what you do.
doesn't change my questionu guys think it'll be OK to take my gon to work?
KappaPride
depends on what you do.
i didn't get the job yet
The vast majority of aftermarket key sets are not suitable for most office environments. All artisan caps are unsuitable to work keyboards.I would agree about artisans, but I think a lot of the recent GMK sets are professional enough, even Hyperfuse. And many SA sets (Hackd, Retro) are fine, too.
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Yeah I think that Hyperfuse has a classy look to it. I think the accent keys might be pushing it in some workplaces but does anyone here even work at a place where they have been told off for how their keyboard looks?
The vast majority of aftermarket key sets are not suitable for most office environments. All artisan caps are unsuitable to work keyboards.I would agree about artisans, but I think a lot of the recent GMK sets are professional enough, even Hyperfuse. And many SA sets (Hackd, Retro) are fine, too.
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I personally like Hyperfuse, but in any 'serious', 'corporate' environment I wouldn't use it. It's not about being told off (which would take a pretty infantile management culture), it's about whether you want to be remembered as the guy with the rainbow keyboard, which is a couple of steps up to being the guy with the collection of troll dolls lined up on his desk.
If you work in an office where people would rather remember you for your keyboard than your work, maybe it's time to quit. Or stop caring what people think. Sounds like a ****ty culture. I personally don't give a **** and have used Valentine's at work.
MoreThe vast majority of aftermarket key sets are not suitable for most office environments. All artisan caps are unsuitable to work keyboards.I would agree about artisans, but I think a lot of the recent GMK sets are professional enough, even Hyperfuse. And many SA sets (Hackd, Retro) are fine, too.
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Yeah I think that Hyperfuse has a classy look to it. I think the accent keys might be pushing it in some workplaces but does anyone here even work at a place where they have been told off for how their keyboard looks?
I personally like Hyperfuse, but in any 'serious', 'corporate' environment I wouldn't use it. It's not about being told off (which would take a pretty infantile management culture), it's about whether you want to be remembered as the guy with the rainbow keyboard, which is a couple of steps up to being the guy with the collection of troll dolls lined up on his desk.
I'm the guy with Toki Doki Unicornos, Cactus Cats, and Smoking Bunnies at my desk. My boss, supervisor, and co-workers all love them. I'd rather be remembered as the guy who kicks ass at his job and knows how to relax and have fun than the guy who does his job well but is overly serious and uptight. If you are effective and professional with clients and co-workers, who the hell cares what your workspace looks like...unless it's all Lisa Frank and Hannah Montanna when you're a dude.agreed. if jamster finds out his cool yet serious boss uses a handerbeit set, would he think 'hehe rainbow and ponies what a ***'? no, he would think 'wow i didnt know this guy was into keyboards, definitely gonna ask him about it next time im in his office. what a kool guy!!'
Yessss, I knew this was going to be unpopular :DWoah woah woah don't go stereotyping me as a none rainbow vomit looking person just because I'm a Brit :I
If my boss, who is probably the geekiest one I've ever had, ever saw unicorn vomit on my desk, he would heap **** on me, but he's a Brit and that's how Brits and Aussies operate :)
Though I wouldn't push that point in a pub in either Scotland or Wales.this reminds me of a sports article i read once: "Andy Murray is only British when he's playing in Wimbledon"
Sorry I'm still in love with Win+E Win+D Win+R Win+P : P
Yeah, I have never had any issue with Massdrop. But then I am, and will never be, a vendor so will probably never experience their relationship between GB organiser and host.
- I don't care about scoops/bars/nipples. Like at all.
- I am simultaneously annoyed and entertained by the recent threadcrapping drama, but neither annoyed nor entertained to the point of action.
- Massdrop seems to actually be trying to not suck as much lately.
Yeah, I have never had any issue with Massdrop. But then I am, and will never be, a vendor so will probably never experience their relationship between GB organiser and host.
- I don't care about scoops/bars/nipples. Like at all.
- I am simultaneously annoyed and entertained by the recent threadcrapping drama, but neither annoyed nor entertained to the point of action.
- Massdrop seems to actually be trying to not suck as much lately.
Yeah, I have never had any issue with Massdrop. But then I am, and will never be, a vendor so will probably never experience their relationship between GB organiser and host.
- Massdrop seems to actually be trying to not suck as much lately.
To counter that, MX Blues are vastly overrated. I'd even go so far as to say they suck.Vintage blues, like in my Dolch PAC, are nice.
1) The most common Cherry non-clicky switches suck, and feel inferior to rubber domes, because
2) Blacks and Reds are pointless - linear switches defeat the main purpose of using a mechanical keyboard, and
3) Browns are not tactile at all; more like linears with sand caught inside.
Only Blues/Greens are worth the money, and possibly Clears, which I haven't had a chance to try yet.
Also:
4) With a few exceptions, keyboards with multi coloured keycaps and LEDs look stupid.
1) The most common Cherry non-clicky switches suck, and feel inferior to rubber domes, becauseNot really sure what you mean by "main purpose." Feedback? A mechanical keyboard is the only way you're going to be able to use a linear switch at all.
2) Blacks and Reds are pointless - linear switches defeat the main purpose of using a mechanical keyboard, and
Only Blues/Greens are worth the money, and possibly Clears, which I haven't had a chance to try yet.all new cherry switches are scratchy as hell, I'd rather have gateron or even greetech from my short experience with gree. Vintage/worn MX is nice though.
Also:ITT half of GH doesn't like backlighting and colorful sets to varying degrees.
4) With a few exceptions, keyboards with multi coloured keycaps and LEDs look stupid.
To counter that, MX Blues are vastly overrated. I'd even go so far as to say they suck.
I noticed one day while typing on MX Blues whilst listening to my IEMs that they actually felt a little different if I could not hear them clicking. To my own surprise, I found that the MX Browns actually feel more tactile than the Blues if you completely block out the sounds of typing. The click plays tricks with your brain. Not that it's relevant anyways since the click is certainly a large part of typing on Blues and will rarely be blocked out completely.
Not really sure what you mean by "main purpose." Feedback? A mechanical keyboard is the only way you're going to be able to use a linear switch at all.
all new cherry switches are scratchy as hell, I'd rather have gateron or even greetech from my short experience with gree. Vintage/worn MX is nice though.
ITT half of GH doesn't like backlighting and colorful sets to varying degrees.
I like backlighting. I just think it's too hard to get decent keysets for them.
Unless I'm mistake rubberdomes have feedback too?Not really sure what you mean by "main purpose." Feedback? A mechanical keyboard is the only way you're going to be able to use a linear switch at all.
Yes, I would consider feedback the main reason to use a mechanical keyboard. Other reasons being reliability and build quality.
I was more referring to the point that blues and greens are the only acceptable cherry switches. I agree that the bump on browns is negligible.all new cherry switches are scratchy as hell, I'd rather have gateron or even greetech from my short experience with gree. Vintage/worn MX is nice though.
Yeah they're definitely not that smooth. But my point was, Browns feel like a scratchier version of Black to me, instead of having the distinct tactile point they claim to have.
Unless I'm mistake rubberdomes have feedback too?
1) The most common Cherry non-clicky switches suck, and feel inferior to rubber domes, because
2) Blacks and Reds are pointless - linear switches defeat the main purpose of using a mechanical keyboard, and
3) Browns are not tactile at all; more like linears with sand caught inside.
Only Blues/Greens are worth the money, and possibly Clears, which I haven't had a chance to try yet.
Also:
4) With a few exceptions, keyboards with multi coloured keycaps and LEDs look stupid.
agreed, browns feel mushy and similar to rubber domes, dont know why people like them, i would prefer topre if i actually like tactile switches
agreed, browns feel mushy and similar to rubber domes, dont know why people like them, i would prefer topre if i actually like tactile switches
I don't think Browns feel anything like rubber domes but I agree there isn't much tactile feedback. I like Browns but only because they bottom out like a linear switch but have the bump there when you need it (specifically, for gaming). I'd say Clears feel more like rubber domes than Browns, but it's still a long shot. I prefer Topre over all the Cherry switches I have tried.
agreed, browns feel mushy and similar to rubber domes, dont know why people like them, i would prefer topre if i actually like tactile switches
I don't think Browns feel anything like rubber domes but I agree there isn't much tactile feedback. I like Browns but only because they bottom out like a linear switch but have the bump there when you need it (specifically, for gaming). I'd say Clears feel more like rubber domes than Browns, but it's still a long shot. I prefer Topre over all the Cherry switches I have tried.
browns do not feel anything like rubber domes - they are closer to reds and black imo
Modern Selectric...
... looks ...
... not great.
agreed, browns feel mushy and similar to rubber domes, dont know why people like them, i would prefer topre if i actually like tactile switches
I don't think Browns feel anything like rubber domes but I agree there isn't much tactile feedback. I like Browns but only because they bottom out like a linear switch but have the bump there when you need it (specifically, for gaming). I'd say Clears feel more like rubber domes than Browns, but it's still a long shot. I prefer Topre over all the Cherry switches I have tried.
browns do not feel anything like rubber domes - they are closer to reds and black imo
Personally I don't think browns are bad at all in general, I just prefer like Greetech's to Cherry's. They're great as an intro switch especially for people used to membrane who want a nice tactile feedback, but don't want to be overwhelmed.
agreed, browns feel mushy and similar to rubber domes, dont know why people like them, i would prefer topre if i actually like tactile switches
I don't think Browns feel anything like rubber domes but I agree there isn't much tactile feedback. I like Browns but only because they bottom out like a linear switch but have the bump there when you need it (specifically, for gaming). I'd say Clears feel more like rubber domes than Browns, but it's still a long shot. I prefer Topre over all the Cherry switches I have tried.
browns do not feel anything like rubber domes - they are closer to reds and black imo
Personally I don't think browns are bad at all in general, I just prefer like Greetech's to Cherry's. They're great as an intro switch especially for people used to membrane who want a nice tactile feedback, but don't want to be overwhelmed.
I honestly think that anyone who recommends mx browns as a first switch is someone who just reads the cherry or corsair marketing bull**** - it doesn't even make sense why browns exist
linears have their place because they actuate before they get bottomed out, unlike certain membrane boards, also membrane boards have this sandy bumpy feedback and not everyone likes it
linears have their place because they actuate before they get bottomed out, unlike certain membrane boards, also membrane boards have this sandy bumpy feedback and not everyone likes it
Most mechanical switches actuate before bottoming out. All Cherry switches have their actuation points near the middle of the travel depth. Alps are a bit higher and Topre a bit lower. The problem with linear switches is that you have no idea whether they actuated or not unless you bottom out. It's not easy to accurately "feel" where halfway is.
linears have their place because they actuate before they get bottomed out, unlike certain membrane boards, also membrane boards have this sandy bumpy feedback and not everyone likes it
Most mechanical switches actuate before bottoming out. All Cherry switches have their actuation points near the middle of the travel depth. Alps are a bit higher and Topre a bit lower. The problem with linear switches is that you have no idea whether they actuated or not unless you bottom out. It's not easy to accurately "feel" where halfway is.
I imagine pretty much everyone bottoms out thoughTo me, Cherry switches actually discourage me from bottoming out because the increasing linear force of the spring after the actuation point makes pressing the key down further quite fatiguing.
Have you ever tried typing with any speed and not bottoming out? Impossibru
I imagine pretty much everyone bottoms out thoughTo me, Cherry switches actually discourage me from bottoming out because the increasing linear force of the spring after the actuation point makes pressing the key down further quite fatiguing.
Have you ever tried typing with any speed and not bottoming out? Impossibru
i love using CAPSLOCK
i love using CAPSLOCK
Are you one of those people who double taps caps instead of holding shift?
i love using CAPSLOCK
Are you one of those people who double taps caps instead of holding shift?
Most of the time I double taps caps, sometimes I use shift
I honestly think that anyone who recommends mx browns as a first switch is someone who just reads the cherry or corsair marketing bull**** - it doesn't even make sense why browns exist
Well, this is the "unpopular keyboard opinions" thread, so obviously not everyone or even most people would agree with what we're saying here :)
I honestly think that anyone who recommends mx browns as a first switch is someone who just reads the cherry or corsair marketing bull**** - it doesn't even make sense why browns exist
How does it not make sense that browns exist? They're honestly great. Overall my favorite switch, followed by Kailh blues. I might like Clears more if I could actually sit down and use them for a while but until that happens Browns and Kailh blues are king. Also, I got browns as my first switch and it was definitely the right choice, even if they were a bit strange to move to from my Dell quietkey (way lighter and way less of a bump).
Interestingly enough, I found MX blues to be super fatiguing and as such I'm not a massive fan while the lighter switch and tactility of the Kailhs lets them pull ahead.
linears have their place because they actuate before they get bottomed out, unlike certain membrane boards, also membrane boards have this sandy bumpy feedback and not everyone likes it
Most mechanical switches actuate before bottoming out. All Cherry switches have their actuation points near the middle of the travel depth. Alps are a bit higher and Topre a bit lower. The problem with linear switches is that you have no idea whether they actuated or not unless you bottom out. It's not easy to accurately "feel" where halfway is.
linears have their place because they actuate before they get bottomed out, unlike certain membrane boards, also membrane boards have this sandy bumpy feedback and not everyone likes it
Most mechanical switches actuate before bottoming out. All Cherry switches have their actuation points near the middle of the travel depth. Alps are a bit higher and Topre a bit lower. The problem with linear switches is that you have no idea whether they actuated or not unless you bottom out. It's not easy to accurately "feel" where halfway is.
this is where the "not everyone likes the subtle feedback" part comes from, in my opinion, cherry tactile feedback switches are horrible as they provide little to no feedback and feels more like rusty bumps than proper feedback
besides, you kind of grow accustomed to actuating linear switches especially reds, since they are so easy to actuate you dont have to "feel" it actuate because it will always actuate no matter how lightly you pressed, also o-rings and bottoming out help as well i guess
linears have their place because they actuate before they get bottomed out, unlike certain membrane boards, also membrane boards have this sandy bumpy feedback and not everyone likes it
Most mechanical switches actuate before bottoming out. All Cherry switches have their actuation points near the middle of the travel depth. Alps are a bit higher and Topre a bit lower. The problem with linear switches is that you have no idea whether they actuated or not unless you bottom out. It's not easy to accurately "feel" where halfway is.
this is where the "not everyone likes the subtle feedback" part comes from, in my opinion, cherry tactile feedback switches are horrible as they provide little to no feedback and feels more like rusty bumps than proper feedback
besides, you kind of grow accustomed to actuating linear switches especially reds, since they are so easy to actuate you dont have to "feel" it actuate because it will always actuate no matter how lightly you pressed, also o-rings and bottoming out help as well i guess
I modded my daily driver's switches yesterday; they have now 65g springs, new clear stems, transparent tops, stock Cherry contacts, and they feel, and sound just awesome. Their sound has a very low pitch, it is almost a tock, the feeling is very solid, offering just the right amount of force, not hard, neither light.
browns do not feel anything like rubber domes - they are closer to reds and black imo
MEI switches feel worse than anything else I've ever laid hands on.
MEI switches feel worse than anything else I've ever laid hands on.
Don't think I've ever gotten to try these before, do people really like them or something?
HHKB layout is no good. People who buy GONs and Ducks in that layout are out of their minds.
Does one fewer key in the corner really matter? If they weren't case-mounted Topre they wouldn't even be worth talking about.
HHKB layout is no good. People who buy GONs and Ducks in that layout are out of their minds.
Does one fewer key in the corner really matter? If they weren't case-mounted Topre they wouldn't even be worth talking about.
I agree to some extent. I'm in love with the Capslock to Ctrl transfer, but I don't understand why people are so obsessed with removing those extra keys to get the look.
It's exactly the same as people who have winkeyless customs. It's just a nice aesthetic that people want.HHKB layout is no good. People who buy GONs and Ducks in that layout are out of their minds.
Does one fewer key in the corner really matter? If they weren't case-mounted Topre they wouldn't even be worth talking about.
I agree to some extent. I'm in love with the Capslock to Ctrl transfer, but I don't understand why people are so obsessed with removing those extra keys to get the look.
It's exactly the same as people who have winkeyless customs. It's just a nice aesthetic that people want.HHKB layout is no good. People who buy GONs and Ducks in that layout are out of their minds.
Does one fewer key in the corner really matter? If they weren't case-mounted Topre they wouldn't even be worth talking about.
I agree to some extent. I'm in love with the Capslock to Ctrl transfer, but I don't understand why people are so obsessed with removing those extra keys to get the look.
I like my shiny keycaps because they're so smooth and kind of like the lookI'm fine with shiny keys, as long as they are all equally shiny. The problem is, keys never wear out consistently across the whole keyboard. What bothers people is having some shiny and some matte keys on the same keyboard. Doesn't that bother you?
I'm fine with shiny keys, as long as they are all equally shiny. The problem is, keys never wear out consistently across the whole keyboard. What bothers people is having some shiny and some matte keys on the same keyboard. Doesn't that bother you?
It's exactly the same as people who have winkeyless customs. It's just a nice aesthetic that people want.HHKB layout is no good. People who buy GONs and Ducks in that layout are out of their minds.
Does one fewer key in the corner really matter? If they weren't case-mounted Topre they wouldn't even be worth talking about.
I agree to some extent. I'm in love with the Capslock to Ctrl transfer, but I don't understand why people are so obsessed with removing those extra keys to get the look.
It is the Unicorn syndrome, the aspiration to be unique. In the practical side, those corners are just wasted space.
It's not really being a special snow flake if that snowflake is the most popular, is it?
I like my shiny keycaps because they're so smooth and kind of like the lookI'm fine with shiny keys, as long as they are all equally shiny. The problem is, keys never wear out consistently across the whole keyboard. What bothers people is having some shiny and some matte keys on the same keyboard. Doesn't that bother you?
HHKB layout is no good. People who buy GONs and Ducks in that layout are out of their minds.
Does one fewer key in the corner really matter? If they weren't case-mounted Topre they wouldn't even be worth talking about.
i love using CAPSLOCK
i love using CAPSLOCK
Superior in every way:
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And if there were any justice in the world, Shift Lock would be put right there, out of the way.
yellow on black?i love using CAPSLOCK
Superior in every way:
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And if there were any justice in the world, Shift Lock would be put right there, out of the way.
Is this the next GMK group buy teaser?
yellow on black?i love using CAPSLOCK
Superior in every way:
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And if there were any justice in the world, Shift Lock would be put right there, out of the way.
Is this the next GMK group buy teaser?
The vast majority of aftermarket key sets are not suitable for most office environments. All artisan caps are unsuitable to work keyboards.I would agree about artisans, but I think a lot of the recent GMK sets are professional enough, even Hyperfuse. And many SA sets (Hackd, Retro) are fine, too.
Flame away
Yeah I think that Hyperfuse has a classy look to it. I think the accent keys might be pushing it in some workplaces but does anyone here even work at a place where they have been told off for how their keyboard looks?
I personally like Hyperfuse, but in any 'serious', 'corporate' environment I wouldn't use it. It's not about being told off (which would take a pretty infantile management culture), it's about whether you want to be remembered as the guy with the rainbow keyboard, which is a couple of steps up to being the guy with the collection of troll dolls lined up on his desk.
Oddly enough, I had assumed that programmers and keyboard enthusiasts would have a big intersect. Somewhat disappointingly, this hasn't been what I have observed in real life. I'm surrounded by programmers, as are a couple of friends who are coders in other companies. Nobody seems to have an interest in mech boards at all. Sad.
I honestly think that anyone who recommends mx browns as a first switch is someone who just reads the cherry or corsair marketing bull**** - it doesn't even make sense why browns exist
I honestly think that anyone who recommends mx browns as a first switch is someone who just reads the cherry or corsair marketing bull**** - it doesn't even make sense why browns exist
Haha
That's what I told all my friends about browns.
The big misconception is that browns are just a silent blue but it's really not.
Blues are entirely different but browns are marketed as an "upgrade" to blues.
The takeaway here is, buy every keyboard ever. Then you will find your favorite.
I honestly think that anyone who recommends mx browns as a first switch is someone who just reads the cherry or corsair marketing bull**** - it doesn't even make sense why browns exist
Haha
That's what I told all my friends about browns.
The big misconception is that browns are just a silent blue but it's really not.
Blues are entirely different but browns are marketed as an "upgrade" to blues.
One of the things that kind of bothers me about the keyboard community is this weird mentality that some people have recommending switches - "oh if you're gaming then you need reds!" "oh you're a typist that means you need blues!" "you're an inbetween person go for the browns" - it reminds me of the sorting hat from harry potter or picking which pokemon to take....
If I have found anything it's that keyboards are more of a journey than anything - there is no end game despite what any one will tell you, there is only the keyboard that you are liking the most right now
The takeaway here is, buy every keyboard ever. Then you will find your favorite.
I honestly think that anyone who recommends mx browns as a first switch is someone who just reads the cherry or corsair marketing bull**** - it doesn't even make sense why browns exist
Haha
That's what I told all my friends about browns.
The big misconception is that browns are just a silent blue but it's really not.
Blues are entirely different but browns are marketed as an "upgrade" to blues.
One of the things that kind of bothers me about the keyboard community is this weird mentality that some people have recommending switches - "oh if you're gaming then you need reds!" "oh you're a typist that means you need blues!" "you're an inbetween person go for the browns" - it reminds me of the sorting hat from harry potter or picking which pokemon to take....
If I have found anything it's that keyboards are more of a journey than anything - there is no end game despite what any one will tell you, there is only the keyboard that you are liking the most right now
If you want to save some money, just buy Topre first and lie to yourself that you already have the best keyboard.The takeaway here is, buy every keyboard ever. Then you will find your favorite.
I honestly think that anyone who recommends mx browns as a first switch is someone who just reads the cherry or corsair marketing bull**** - it doesn't even make sense why browns exist
Haha
That's what I told all my friends about browns.
The big misconception is that browns are just a silent blue but it's really not.
Blues are entirely different but browns are marketed as an "upgrade" to blues.
One of the things that kind of bothers me about the keyboard community is this weird mentality that some people have recommending switches - "oh if you're gaming then you need reds!" "oh you're a typist that means you need blues!" "you're an inbetween person go for the browns" - it reminds me of the sorting hat from harry potter or picking which pokemon to take....
If I have found anything it's that keyboards are more of a journey than anything - there is no end game despite what any one will tell you, there is only the keyboard that you are liking the most right now
pretty much
I prefer the less consumeristic way of saying it though: "be a life long learner" :))
I honestly think that anyone who recommends mx browns as a first switch is someone who just reads the cherry or corsair marketing bull**** - it doesn't even make sense why browns exist
Haha
That's what I told all my friends about browns.
The big misconception is that browns are just a silent blue but it's really not.
Blues are entirely different but browns are marketed as an "upgrade" to blues.
One of the things that kind of bothers me about the keyboard community is this weird mentality that some people have recommending switches - "oh if you're gaming then you need reds!" "oh you're a typist that means you need blues!" "you're an inbetween person go for the browns" - it reminds me of the sorting hat from harry potter or picking which pokemon to take....
If I have found anything it's that keyboards are more of a journey than anything - there is no end game despite what any one will tell you, there is only the keyboard that you are liking the most right now
If you want to save some money, just buy Topre first and lie to yourself that you already have the best keyboard.The takeaway here is, buy every keyboard ever. Then you will find your favorite.
I honestly think that anyone who recommends mx browns as a first switch is someone who just reads the cherry or corsair marketing bull**** - it doesn't even make sense why browns exist
Haha
That's what I told all my friends about browns.
The big misconception is that browns are just a silent blue but it's really not.
Blues are entirely different but browns are marketed as an "upgrade" to blues.
One of the things that kind of bothers me about the keyboard community is this weird mentality that some people have recommending switches - "oh if you're gaming then you need reds!" "oh you're a typist that means you need blues!" "you're an inbetween person go for the browns" - it reminds me of the sorting hat from harry potter or picking which pokemon to take....
If I have found anything it's that keyboards are more of a journey than anything - there is no end game despite what any one will tell you, there is only the keyboard that you are liking the most right now
pretty much
I prefer the less consumeristic way of saying it though: "be a life long learner" :))
If I have found anything it's that keyboards are more of a journey than anything - there is no end game despite what any one will tell you, there is only the keyboard that you are liking the most right now
If I have found anything it's that keyboards are more of a journey than anything - there is no end game despite what any one will tell you, there is only the keyboard that you are liking the most right now
But I'm so close to my actual endgame!
I think the community was kind of hypocritical from starting at hating clones (Kailh comes to mind) to going to preferring them (Gateron) because of feels. Was it always about feels or did some righteousness turn into preference? =/
I think the community was kind of hypocritical from starting at hating clones (Kailh comes to mind) to going to preferring them (Gateron) because of feels. Was it always about feels or did some righteousness turn into preference? =/
I think the community was kind of hypocritical from starting at hating clones (Kailh comes to mind) to going to preferring them (Gateron) because of feels. Was it always about feels or did some righteousness turn into preference? =/
I've never been hypocritical, I hate all clones.. Except for Star Wars - Attack of the Clones
See people say that Kailhs are terrible but it's really just another opinion. I like Kailhs. If you don't, cool. I also find the community as a whole kind of hypocritical about it too. There has always been an air of elitism when it comes to certain things in this community, just like any other hobby.
See people say that Kailhs are terrible but it's really just another opinion. I like Kailhs. If you don't, cool. I also find the community as a whole kind of hypocritical about it too. There has always been an air of elitism when it comes to certain things in this community, just like any other hobby.
See people say that Kailhs are terrible but it's really just another opinion. I like Kailhs. If you don't, cool. I also find the community as a whole kind of hypocritical about it too. There has always been an air of elitism when it comes to certain things in this community, just like any other hobby.
Alright, I've got another one.
I don't like the 55g HHKB. Not at all. MUCH prefer the 55g Realforce. Can't speak for a 55g FC660C. So glad I didn't alter my HHKB.
I believed the hype surrounding the 'SA' key-profile, and bought the Puls3 set.
I hate typing on it, it feels like a chore, and the keys are way too 'slidy'. But it looks pretty as **** so I won't swap out to a nice DSA set.
I believed the hype surrounding the 'SA' key-profile, and bought the Puls3 set.
I hate typing on it, it feels like a chore, and the keys are way too 'slidy'. But it looks pretty as **** so I won't swap out to a nice DSA set.
Is Pulse a flat design or a countered one?
I believed the hype surrounding the 'SA' key-profile, and bought the Puls3 set.
I hate typing on it, it feels like a chore, and the keys are way too 'slidy'. But it looks pretty as **** so I won't swap out to a nice DSA set.
Is Pulse a flat design or a countered one?
It's contoured.
I believed the hype surrounding the 'SA' key-profile, and bought the Puls3 set.
I hate typing on it, it feels like a chore, and the keys are way too 'slidy'. But it looks pretty as **** so I won't swap out to a nice DSA set.
Is Pulse a flat design or a countered one?
It's contoured.
It is bad to know contoured SA does not have a nice typing feeling.
I believed the hype surrounding the 'SA' key-profile, and bought the Puls3 set.
I hate typing on it, it feels like a chore, and the keys are way too 'slidy'. But it looks pretty as **** so I won't swap out to a nice DSA set.
Is Pulse a flat design or a countered one?
It's contoured.
It is bad to know contoured SA does not have a nice typing feeling.
Well that's one person's opinion... I can name you quite a few people who love it.
I believed the hype surrounding the 'SA' key-profile, and bought the Puls3 set.
I hate typing on it, it feels like a chore, and the keys are way too 'slidy'. But it looks pretty as **** so I won't swap out to a nice DSA set.
Is Pulse a flat design or a countered one?
It's contoured.
It is bad to know contoured SA does not have a nice typing feeling.
Well that's one person's opinion... I can name you quite a few people who love it.
I believed the hype surrounding the 'SA' key-profile, and bought the Puls3 set.
I hate typing on it, it feels like a chore, and the keys are way too 'slidy'. But it looks pretty as **** so I won't swap out to a nice DSA set.
Is Pulse a flat design or a countered one?
It's contoured.
It is bad to know contoured SA does not have a nice typing feeling.
Well that's one person's opinion... I can name you quite a few people who love it.
Me. Hate all R3, love contoured. :eek:
This one seems unpopular... I like the Romer-G switches. The board Logitech put it in sucks but I actually liked typing on the switches. I just wish Logitech would put them in a better keyboard.
I want to be careful here because I know a few keycap makers, and I like them and love their work. But I think the word artisan is pretentious. And I would even be totally okay to replace it with the keycap artist, or keycap maker, or keycap designer. Artisan just sounds like a buzzword to me. And while we're on the subject, craft in this context is almost as cheesy-sounding as artisan.
60% keyboards are literally a waste of time. And if you don't think hiding functionality behind layers on a 60% loses you any time, you weren't efficient enough in the first place.
60% keyboards are literally a waste of time. And if you don't think hiding functionality behind layers on a 60% loses you any time, you weren't efficient enough in the first place.
60% isn't necessarily about efficiency but about portability, the multiple layers just makes it more efficient than a 60% without any.
60% keyboards are literally a waste of time. And if you don't think hiding functionality behind layers on a 60% loses you any time, you weren't efficient enough in the first place.
60% isn't necessarily about efficiency but about portability, the multiple layers just makes it more efficient than a 60% without any.
I'd be willing to bet you most 60% users don't even move their keyboards. A lot of people get 60%s because it "looks neater" or "it's minimalist" or some other bull****. They save a couple of inches from losing the nav keys and in return lose potential savings of MINUTES of their days.
most artisan keycaps look horribleI have to agree with this one. But I'm someone who never understood the gaming aesthetic on computer hardware, including keyboards. To me, keycaps are supposed to be functional and ergonomic, and hopefully look classy while doing it. Why are we spending money to put weird shapes on our keyboards that look completely out of place amongst the other keys, and are an ergonomic nightmare to actually use?
60% keyboards are literally a waste of time. And if you don't think hiding functionality behind layers on a 60% loses you any time, you weren't efficient enough in the first place.
most artisan keycaps look horribleI have to agree with this one. But I'm someone who never understood the gaming aesthetic on computer hardware, including keyboards. To me, keycaps are supposed to be functional and ergonomic, and hopefully look classy while doing it. Why are we spending money to put weird shapes on our keyboards that look completely out of place amongst the other keys, and are an ergonomic nightmare to actually use?
most artisan keycaps look horribleI have to agree with this one. But I'm someone who never understood the gaming aesthetic on computer hardware, including keyboards. To me, keycaps are supposed to be functional and ergonomic, and hopefully look classy while doing it. Why are we spending money to put weird shapes on our keyboards that look completely out of place amongst the other keys, and are an ergonomic nightmare to actually use?
most artisan keycaps look horribleI have to agree with this one. But I'm someone who never understood the gaming aesthetic on computer hardware, including keyboards. To me, keycaps are supposed to be functional and ergonomic, and hopefully look classy while doing it. Why are we spending money to put weird shapes on our keyboards that look completely out of place amongst the other keys, and are an ergonomic nightmare to actually use?
How are artisan caps an ergonomic nightmare? Some of them are big and bulky, but have you ever put a Clack on a board? Feels amazing to type on. Bro's gamer sets are similar.
I want to be careful here because I know a few keycap makers, and I like them and love their work. But I think the word artisan is pretentious. And I would even be totally okay to replace it with the keycap artist, or keycap maker, or keycap designer. Artisan just sounds like a buzzword to me. And while we're on the subject, craft in this context is almost as cheesy-sounding as artisan.
most artisan keycaps look horrible
most artisan keycaps look horribleI have to agree with this one. But I'm someone who never understood the gaming aesthetic on computer hardware, including keyboards. To me, keycaps are supposed to be functional and ergonomic, and hopefully look classy while doing it. Why are we spending money to put weird shapes on our keyboards that look completely out of place amongst the other keys, and are an ergonomic nightmare to actually use?
How are artisan caps an ergonomic nightmare? Some of them are big and bulky, but have you ever put a Clack on a board? Feels amazing to type on. Bro's gamer sets are similar.
By artisans, he means sculpted caps, not blanks/vents/gamersets/etc.
I want to be careful here because I know a few keycap makers, and I like them and love their work. But I think the word artisan is pretentious. And I would even be totally okay to replace it with the keycap artist, or keycap maker, or keycap designer. Artisan just sounds like a buzzword to me. And while we're on the subject, craft in this context is almost as cheesy-sounding as artisan.
I've been calling them novelty caps and continue to call em novelties even after that super weird announcement from the admin team that we're calling them artisans for some reason. Also MX compatible lol.
most artisan keycaps look horribleI have to agree with this one. But I'm someone who never understood the gaming aesthetic on computer hardware, including keyboards. To me, keycaps are supposed to be functional and ergonomic, and hopefully look classy while doing it. Why are we spending money to put weird shapes on our keyboards that look completely out of place amongst the other keys, and are an ergonomic nightmare to actually use?
How are artisan caps an ergonomic nightmare? Some of them are big and bulky, but have you ever put a Clack on a board? Feels amazing to type on. Bro's gamer sets are similar.
By artisans, he means sculpted caps, not blanks/vents/gamersets/etc.
Well I was primarily referring to Clack Skulls, which are sculpted, but that's a good clarification. Also, gamer sets are "sculpted" in my opinion. :PI want to be careful here because I know a few keycap makers, and I like them and love their work. But I think the word artisan is pretentious. And I would even be totally okay to replace it with the keycap artist, or keycap maker, or keycap designer. Artisan just sounds like a buzzword to me. And while we're on the subject, craft in this context is almost as cheesy-sounding as artisan.
I've been calling them novelty caps and continue to call em novelties even after that super weird announcement from the admin team that we're calling them artisans for some reason. Also MX compatible lol.
I wasn't on the team when that decision was made, but that was a forum-structure distinction that makes sense. It led to the artisan subforum and a place for makers/crafters to sell things without being proper vendors. It's not meant to be a buzzword or anything like that. It's just what we call someone who makes things and sells them at that scale.
And it led to a good (IMO) distinction between novelty keys (geekhack keys from SP, etc) and artisan keys (handmade/sculpted by members).
Also MX compatible lol.
Also MX compatible lol.
You lost me here.
Also MX compatible lol.
You lost me here.
https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=56405.0
I still don't get this thread at all. At the time, there was debate where the community wasn't sure if they'd like to call the new Kailh and Gateron switches MX-clones or any other term. For some reason, this thread was made and we're supposed to call them MX-compatible.
I call Cherry MX, "gritty Gaterons"Also MX compatible lol.
You lost me here.
https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=56405.0
I still don't get this thread at all. At the time, there was debate where the community wasn't sure if they'd like to call the new Kailh and Gateron switches MX-clones or any other term. For some reason, this thread was made and we're supposed to call them MX-compatible.
I still call them fake cherry mx
This one seems unpopular... I like the Romer-G switches. The board Logitech put it in sucks but I actually liked typing on the switches. I just wish Logitech would put them in a better keyboard.
I'm pretty sure Bro really likes the Romer G switches
truI still call them fake cherry mxI call Cherry MX, "gritty Gaterons"
Also MX compatible lol.
You lost me here.
https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=56405.0
I still don't get this thread at all. At the time, there was debate where the community wasn't sure if they'd like to call the new Kailh and Gateron switches MX-clones or any other term. For some reason, this thread was made and we're supposed to call them MX-compatible.
I call Cherry MX, "gritty Gaterons"Also MX compatible lol.
You lost me here.
https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=56405.0
I still don't get this thread at all. At the time, there was debate where the community wasn't sure if they'd like to call the new Kailh and Gateron switches MX-clones or any other term. For some reason, this thread was made and we're supposed to call them MX-compatible.
I still call them fake cherry mx
Also MX compatible lol.
You lost me here.
https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=56405.0
I still don't get this thread at all. At the time, there was debate where the community wasn't sure if they'd like to call the new Kailh and Gateron switches MX-clones or any other term. For some reason, this thread was made and we're supposed to call them MX-compatible.
Yeah, like we can't just call them what they are, we have to think of a new name for all of them.
Yeah, since Kailh starting popping up like early 2014? But that makes sense, and to their credit it did pretty much stop conversation on it, whether people called it what they asked or just stuck with mx clone once and for all.Also MX compatible lol.
You lost me here.
https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=56405.0
I still don't get this thread at all. At the time, there was debate where the community wasn't sure if they'd like to call the new Kailh and Gateron switches MX-clones or any other term. For some reason, this thread was made and we're supposed to call them MX-compatible.
Yeah, like we can't just call them what they are, we have to think of a new name for all of them.
I don't know if you were around at the time, but there was a *lot* of argument surrounding what we should call them. I think the announcement was really more to get everyone to stop focusing on what to call them and start focusing on how they actually felt.
"skeleton style" keyboards look horrible.
"skeleton style" keyboards look horrible.
Do you have an exemple ?
jd40"skeleton style" keyboards look horrible.
Do you have an exemple ?
Edgar Matias is the pope of the alps religion ;-)
I think the community was kind of hypocritical from starting at hating clones (Kailh comes to mind) to going to preferring them (Gateron) because of feels. Was it always about feels or did some righteousness turn into preference? =/
I've never been hypocritical, I hate all clones.. Except for Star Wars - Attack of the Clones
I think the community was kind of hypocritical from starting at hating clones (Kailh comes to mind) to going to preferring them (Gateron) because of feels. Was it always about feels or did some righteousness turn into preference? =/
I've never been hypocritical, I hate all clones.. Except for Star Wars - Attack of the Clones
Attack of the Clones=worst movie since the star wars movie that came before it.
I've only tried the quiets so far, but I prefer Matias to dirty OG tactile Alps. And since it's hard to know what you're getting when you buy old Alps sight-unseen, sometimes it's nice to just buy Matias and know they will be smooth.Edgar Matias is the pope of the alps religion ;-)
I don't care for Matias Alps, I think it's the clear plastic shell or something, but they don't feel as good as OG Alps to me.
I think the community was kind of hypocritical from starting at hating clones (Kailh comes to mind) to going to preferring them (Gateron) because of feels. Was it always about feels or did some righteousness turn into preference? =/
I've never been hypocritical, I hate all clones.. Except for Star Wars - Attack of the Clones
Attack of the Clones=worst movie since the star wars movie that came before it.
this is supposed to be the unpopular opinion thread :^)
I've only tried the quiets so far, but I prefer Matias to dirty OG tactile Alps. And since it's hard to know what you're getting when you buy old Alps sight-unseen, sometimes it's nice to just buy Matias and know they will be smooth.Edgar Matias is the pope of the alps religion ;-)
I don't care for Matias Alps, I think it's the clear plastic shell or something, but they don't feel as good as OG Alps to me.
jd40"skeleton style" keyboards look horrible.
Do you have an exemple ?
sorry jd
Edgar Matias is the pope of the alps religion ;-)
Edgar Matias is the pope of the alps religion ;-)
lol no ive said it before and i'll say it again, matias is the sharper image of the alps religion
Edgar Matias is the pope of the alps religion ;-)
lol no ive said it before and i'll say it again, matias is the sharper image of the alps religion
I think Alps would be the Pope John Paul II of the Alps religion, no? Seeing as they are the OG mfg, ya know (or would that make them god? lol). :P These days, Matias does what they can. I'm glad someone is at least making quality Alps clones and has so much direct communication with the community.
edit: this was my 200th post! yay!Congratulations on 200 :thumb: :)
There is an endgame.
There is an endgame.
Aaand?!? What is it?? :P
There is an endgame.
Aaand?!? What is it?? :P
65% in azerty flavor.
There is an endgame.
Aaand?!? What is it?? :P
65% in azerty flavor.
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There is an endgame.
Aaand?!? What is it?? :P
65% in azerty flavor.
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It's been said before in this thread I think, but I much prefer ABS to PBT.
PBT isn't bad, but worn in ABS just feels 100x better to me.
And I'm not sure if this is really unpopular or not, but I hate non-sculpted keysets and refuse to buy them. :))
I've come to a point where I have my favourite version of the HHKB, and will soon have my (hopefully) favourite Korean custom. I can see myself making a keyboard too, but after that, I doubt I'll be interested in anything else. I've quenched my thirst, I have all that I desire. Ya feel me?There is an endgame.
Aaand?!? What is it?? :P
I've come to a point where I have my favourite version of the HHKB, and will soon have my (hopefully) favourite Korean custom. I can see myself making a keyboard too, but after that, I doubt I'll be interested in anything else. I've quenched my thirst, I have all that I desire. Ya feel me?There is an endgame.
Aaand?!? What is it?? :P
If I want a regular white HHKB too, I can simply add it to the collection.
All of this is presuming infinite budget in a perfect world, but that's the idea of it, I guess.
Oh, and if you're in it for the community, you're screwed. :confused:
I've come to a point where I have my favourite version of the HHKB, and will soon have my (hopefully) favourite Korean custom. I can see myself making a keyboard too, but after that, I doubt I'll be interested in anything else. I've quenched my thirst, I have all that I desire. Ya feel me?There is an endgame.
Aaand?!? What is it?? :P
If I want a regular white HHKB too, I can simply add it to the collection.
All of this is presuming infinite budget in a perfect world, but that's the idea of it, I guess.
Oh, and if you're in it for the community, you're screwed. :confused:
Another unpopular opinion: A keyboard aficionado can be very happy with only one favorite board.
The monogamous geek-hacker does exist.
Another unpopular opinion: A keyboard aficionado can be very happy with only one favorite board.
The monogamous geek-hacker does exist.
I actually agree with this! I could live with just one of my keyboards if I had to.
Another unpopular opinion: A keyboard aficionado can be very happy with only one favorite board.
The monogamous geek-hacker does exist.
Another unpopular opinion: A keyboard aficionado can be very happy with only one favorite board.I've been moving towards this. Still have lots of boards, but most of them just look pretty. May sell them so they can go be with some loving owners.
The monogamous geek-hacker does exist.
There is an endgame.
Aaand?!? What is it?? :P
There is an endgame.
Aaand?!? What is it?? :P
personal bankrupcy.
I've come to a point where I have my favourite version of the HHKB, and will soon have my (hopefully) favourite Korean custom. I can see myself making a keyboard too, but after that, I doubt I'll be interested in anything else. I've quenched my thirst, I have all that I desire. Ya feel me?There is an endgame.
Aaand?!? What is it?? :P
If I want a regular white HHKB too, I can simply add it to the collection.
All of this is presuming infinite budget in a perfect world, but that's the idea of it, I guess.
Oh, and if you're in it for the community, you're screwed. :confused:
well you'll probably have a similar case to me. two years ago I got my 456gt, but still keep buying keyboard until I got my HBQ. I would still buy keyboard in the future, but probably not as crazy as before and only buy olivetti and cheap cherry.
oh, maybe topre as well, maybe.
I still consider my 456gt as my endgame keyboard
I think the end game board is a relative thing, you know? If you're in the hobby for the long term, then end game relates to current interests and the ultimate examples of said interests.
I thought the Octagon would be endgame (and now there's a v2 over the horizon :-X), then I found Alps and figured my Infinity would be it, but now I have a special backlit green alps 60% in mind.
See where this is going?
Excuse the proceeding gush:
I also have an obscure super low serial# vintage Fame keyboard that has blue alps (not that Aruz switch) in it and looks like a Chicony 5161 http://puu.sh/ksjDc/3fb5587f5c.jpg, which is my endgame in the vintage world because it combines a lot of my favorite things: obscurity/rarity, switch type, and build quality (most Fame boards have a distinctly different body style than mine. see: http://deskthority.net/wiki/Fame_GOG3YLTH-5539). I also grinded out part of the plate to add another switch so that it would be able to take an ANSI-like layout since the Enter key did not have stabilizers on the top half. I was lucky that there was a switch position right where I ground out the plate, but it's only a redundant spot for an Enter key, likely the ISO layout. I've been retrobriting it, I sanded down the plate and back metal panel to eliminate some surface rust and repaint it as I see fit. So there's a lot of work going into that. Ultimately if I could get a Leeku Alps/MX 3000 PCB to put in it, that would be it. Done for that. My favorite vintage.
Anyway, yeah. Endgame is a mixture of current interests and investment in the hobby and if and when you are willing to stop. I have been good at not buying every cool thing in sight and truly sticking to what I find to be ideal for me. Gotta admit I won't be able to pass another Octagon release, especially if it has Alps compatibility this time.
For me 75% is the ultimate practical keyboard, which is why I love my Octagon. TKL is a little superfluous in comparison though I do think they look nice. 60% are really nice to play with but not ideal for me. I like the form factor a lot though. Full-size only works in the vintage spectrum when there is no alternative.
My main desk setup uses a Duck Lightpad/Butterfly Pad and the Octagon, and I don't see that ever changing. I like using the Fame board, but my daily drivers will always be those Ducks.
Quote by jonathanyu:MoreI've come to a point where I have my favourite version of the HHKB, and will soon have my (hopefully) favourite Korean custom. I can see myself making a keyboard too, but after that, I doubt I'll be interested in anything else. I've quenched my thirst, I have all that I desire. Ya feel me?There is an endgame.
Aaand?!? What is it?? :P
If I want a regular white HHKB too, I can simply add it to the collection.
All of this is presuming infinite budget in a perfect world, but that's the idea of it, I guess.
Oh, and if you're in it for the community, you're screwed. :confused:
well you'll probably have a similar case to me. two years ago I got my 456gt, but still keep buying keyboard until I got my HBQ. I would still buy keyboard in the future, but probably not as crazy as before and only buy olivetti and cheap cherry.
oh, maybe topre as well, maybe.
I still consider my 456gt as my endgame keyboard
Yes, I get you man. Maybe I'll still be interested, maybe I'm still curious, but I know that I enjoy Cherry over Alps, and Gats over Cherry, linears over tactile, and so on. I definitely have an image of my favourite keyboard, and I'm able to obtain it. Maybe I'll be buying and selling these smaller, interesting things, but I've still reached the endgame, right?
Quote by E3E:MoreYou've broken it down better than I could. Perhaps I will be bit more conservative in my spending, student's budget and all, but were definitely on the same page.I think the end game board is a relative thing, you know? If you're in the hobby for the long term, then end game relates to current interests and the ultimate examples of said interests.
I thought the Octagon would be endgame (and now there's a v2 over the horizon :-X), then I found Alps and figured my Infinity would be it, but now I have a special backlit green alps 60% in mind.
See where this is going?
Excuse the proceeding gush:
I also have an obscure super low serial# vintage Fame keyboard that has blue alps (not that Aruz switch) in it and looks like a Chicony 5161 http://puu.sh/ksjDc/3fb5587f5c.jpg, which is my endgame in the vintage world because it combines a lot of my favorite things: obscurity/rarity, switch type, and build quality (most Fame boards have a distinctly different body style than mine. see: http://deskthority.net/wiki/Fame_GOG3YLTH-5539). I also grinded out part of the plate to add another switch so that it would be able to take an ANSI-like layout since the Enter key did not have stabilizers on the top half. I was lucky that there was a switch position right where I ground out the plate, but it's only a redundant spot for an Enter key, likely the ISO layout. I've been retrobriting it, I sanded down the plate and back metal panel to eliminate some surface rust and repaint it as I see fit. So there's a lot of work going into that. Ultimately if I could get a Leeku Alps/MX 3000 PCB to put in it, that would be it. Done for that. My favorite vintage.
Anyway, yeah. Endgame is a mixture of current interests and investment in the hobby and if and when you are willing to stop. I have been good at not buying every cool thing in sight and truly sticking to what I find to be ideal for me. Gotta admit I won't be able to pass another Octagon release, especially if it has Alps compatibility this time.
For me 75% is the ultimate practical keyboard, which is why I love my Octagon. TKL is a little superfluous in comparison though I do think they look nice. 60% are really nice to play with but not ideal for me. I like the form factor a lot though. Full-size only works in the vintage spectrum when there is no alternative.
My main desk setup uses a Duck Lightpad/Butterfly Pad and the Octagon, and I don't see that ever changing. I like using the Fame board, but my daily drivers will always be those Ducks.
MX blues would be amazing if the stems weren't so loose.
My unpopular opinion? I love the Cherry G84-4100...with ML switches.
Depends on the PBT. I prefer thick worn ABS to PBT most of the time, but I love my PBT sets that came off of Royal Typewriters. Those are OG Cherry PBT, I believe, and they feel great. It also seems like PBT gets worse feeling as it ages and ABS gets better feeling. Thin caps, regardless of ABS or PBT, suck.
I can't get behind POM though.
The POK3R is nothing special, even a little lame.
PBT doesnt deserve the undying circle-jerking surrounding it. I really enjoy POM and ABS caps as well, usually even more.
Not all rubber dome keyboards suck, some are pretty dang enjoyable.
The POK3R is nothing special, even a little lame.
PBT doesnt deserve the undying circle-jerking surrounding it. I really enjoy POM and ABS caps as well, usually even more.
Not all rubber dome keyboards suck, some are pretty dang enjoyable.
I am pretty much agree with you; still, I prefer a mechanical keyboard, over even the most sophisticated rubber dome.
The POK3R is nothing special, even a little lame.
PBT doesnt deserve the undying circle-jerking surrounding it. I really enjoy POM and ABS caps as well, usually even more.
Not all rubber dome keyboards suck, some are pretty dang enjoyable.
The POK3R is nothing special, even a little lame.
PBT doesnt deserve the undying circle-jerking surrounding it. I really enjoy POM and ABS caps as well, usually even more.
Not all rubber dome keyboards suck, some are pretty dang enjoyable.
I am pretty much agree with you; still, I prefer a mechanical keyboard, over even the most sophisticated rubber dome.
I'll pretty much agree, absolutely prefer them, but having to use one doesn't always result in this...Show Image(http://i.giphy.com/cQtlhD48EG0SY.gif)
I would rather have thin PBT or even regular ABS over thick PBT. Stuff mutes clicks and doesn't allow the feel of the switch nearly as well.
I love sp dcs.
I miss sp dcs groupbuy. :(
I love sp dcs.
I miss sp dcs groupbuy. :(
What? This opinion is not just unpopular, it is insane.
:)) :)) :))
I love sp dcs.
I miss sp dcs groupbuy. :(
What? This opinion is not just unpopular, it is insane.
:)) :)) :))
I hear a lot of crap going SP's way for their DCS; are theirs worse than, say Ctrl+Alt?
Dell rubber domes when they are brand new are pretty sweet. They degrade to mushy after about 6 months. When I worked in IT I would just swap mine out with new stock every few months to keep the feeling.
The POK3R is nothing special, even a little lame.
PBT doesnt deserve the undying circle-jerking surrounding it. I really enjoy POM and ABS caps as well, usually even more.
Not all rubber dome keyboards suck, some are pretty dang enjoyable.
I am pretty much agree with you; still, I prefer a mechanical keyboard, over even the most sophisticated rubber dome.
I'll pretty much agree, absolutely prefer them, but having to use one doesn't always result in this...Show Image(http://i.giphy.com/cQtlhD48EG0SY.gif)
Grand Torino is a great movie, I should see it again this weekend.
Dell rubber domes when they are brand new are pretty sweet. They degrade to mushy after about 6 months. When I worked in IT I would just swap mine out with new stock every few months to keep the feeling.
Are you talking about Dell Quiet Key? The tactility is alright, but they are far too heavy...
I love sp dcs.
I miss sp dcs groupbuy. :(
What? This opinion is not just unpopular, it is insane.
:)) :)) :))
Dell rubber domes when they are brand new are pretty sweet. They degrade to mushy after about 6 months. When I worked in IT I would just swap mine out with new stock every few months to keep the feeling.
Are you talking about Dell Quiet Key? The tactility is alright, but they are far too heavy...
I would assume so, I think everyone has a handful (or truckload) of them in the workplace. Still, they are far better than most of the short throw dome keyboards that come with most new PC's I think.
Pic for referenceShow Image(http://www.pc-outlet.hu/images/DELL_Quietkey.jpg)
Not the best domes by far, but not terrible. Much better than the new Dell keyboards that have an extremely short throw rubber dome that we are getting in these daysShow Image(http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/61YGBuXS6XL._SX450_.jpg)
I don't know if I've ever typed on one of those.
I'm talking about the old Quiet Key:Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/7bZPMgO.jpg)
Not the best domes by far, but not terrible. Much better than the new Dell keyboards that have an extremely short throw rubber dome that we are getting in these daysShow Image(http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/61YGBuXS6XL._SX450_.jpg)
I don't know if I've ever typed on one of those.
I'm talking about the old Quiet Key:Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/7bZPMgO.jpg)
Not the best domes by far, but not terrible. Much better than the new Dell keyboards that have an extremely short throw rubber dome that we are getting in these daysShow Image(http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/61YGBuXS6XL._SX450_.jpg)
/me looks down in shame as he types this message from that very keyboard. :-X
Not the best domes by far, but not terrible. Much better than the new Dell keyboards that have an extremely short throw rubber dome that we are getting in these days
/me looks down in shame as he types this message from that very keyboard. :-X
or you could buy a HiPro. And you could bring it to work. And then you could remove the shame. :p
Perhaps not popular... but the HHKB is so far the least refined Topre keyboard I've used so far.
In fact, I'd say that some of the old Keytronic keyboards felt smoother and sounded more consistent.
Fire away.
What keyboards are you considering to be Topre? Do the recent clones count in that group?
Perhaps not popular... but the HHKB is so far the least refined Topre keyboard I've used so far.
In fact, I'd say that some of the old Keytronic keyboards felt smoother and sounded more consistent.
Fire away.
Perhaps not popular... but the HHKB is so far the least refined Topre keyboard I've used so far.
In fact, I'd say that some of the old Keytronic keyboards felt smoother and sounded more consistent.
Fire away.
On the other hand, I feel that Realfirce boards,the FC660C, and the Novatouch all feel like crap compared to the HHKB. They bottom it harshly and, in the case of the Novatouch, feel unrefined and crappy due to a case with too loose of tolerances and stabilizers that rattle too much.
Perhaps not popular... but the HHKB is so far the least refined Topre keyboard I've used so far.
In fact, I'd say that some of the old Keytronic keyboards felt smoother and sounded more consistent.
Fire away.
On the other hand, I feel that Realfirce boards,the FC660C, and the Novatouch all feel like crap compared to the HHKB. They bottom it harshly and, in the case of the Novatouch, feel unrefined and crappy due to a case with too loose of tolerances and stabilizers that rattle too much.
Bottoming out harshly only has to do with how you press the board. If you slam the key it'll bottom out hard, regardless of whether you're using case or plate mounted switches. While I like the softness of the HHKB, calling Realforce/FC660C something with 'loose tolerances' is ludicrous.
Oh boy, aggressive "keyboard" warrior..
Perhaps not popular... but the HHKB is so far the least refined Topre keyboard I've used so far.
In fact, I'd say that some of the old Keytronic keyboards felt smoother and sounded more consistent.
Fire away.
On the other hand, I feel that Realfirce boards,the FC660C, and the Novatouch all feel like crap compared to the HHKB. They bottom it harshly and, in the case of the Novatouch, feel unrefined and crappy due to a case with too loose of tolerances and stabilizers that rattle too much.
Bottoming out harshly only has to do with how you press the board. If you slam the key it'll bottom out hard, regardless of whether you're using case or plate mounted switches. While I like the softness of the HHKB, calling Realforce/FC660C something with 'loose tolerances' is ludicrous.
Please reread what I wrote. The Novatouch is the one with the loose tolerances, not the FC660C or Realforce boards. It feels wobbly and creaky and the stabilizers rattle. No board that costs more than $150 should feel that way.
And the metal plate Topre boards all have a jarring bottom out because the actuation point is so close to the bottoming out point that you have to be a wizard to never bottom out with them.
Also, lol:Oh boy, aggressive "keyboard" warrior..
Perhaps not popular... but the HHKB is so far the least refined Topre keyboard I've used so far.
In fact, I'd say that some of the old Keytronic keyboards felt smoother and sounded more consistent.
Fire away.
On the other hand, I feel that Realfirce boards,the FC660C, and the Novatouch all feel like crap compared to the HHKB. They bottom it harshly and, in the case of the Novatouch, feel unrefined and crappy due to a case with too loose of tolerances and stabilizers that rattle too much.
Perhaps not popular... but the HHKB is so far the least refined Topre keyboard I've used so far.
In fact, I'd say that some of the old Keytronic keyboards felt smoother and sounded more consistent.
Fire away.
On the other hand, I feel that Realfirce boards,the FC660C, and the Novatouch all feel like crap compared to the HHKB. They bottom it harshly and, in the case of the Novatouch, feel unrefined and crappy due to a case with too loose of tolerances and stabilizers that rattle too much.
Bottoming out harshly only has to do with how you press the board. If you slam the key it'll bottom out hard, regardless of whether you're using case or plate mounted switches. While I like the softness of the HHKB, calling Realforce/FC660C something with 'loose tolerances' is ludicrous.
Gonna revive this thread with this: WoB looks really damn bad imo.
Gonna revive this thread with this: WoB looks really damn bad imo.
This is for unpopular opinions, not wrong opinions. :P
**** ya'll Beige for lyfeGonna revive this thread with this: WoB looks really damn bad imo.
This is for unpopular opinions, not wrong opinions. :P
What he said :))
I wouldn't say that WoB looks bad but just like classic beige, it just looks boring to me.
OG Cherry sets that are in the "common" WoB, BoB double shot combinations; or in the more scarce, TA (the original) or Dolch combinations, or the even rare Red one, are all classics. As with any classic, for some they are boring, for others are just elegant. In any case, they were manufacture in long production runs that increased the stability of the processes making quality defects less likely to occur, small runs, even when they may appear to be large for a group buy, like the recent MD TA run, are more prone to present quality mistakes; therefore, OGs are of higher quality.Don't get me wrong, I refuse to type on anything other than OG Beige.
Don't get me wrong, I refuse to type on anything other than OG Beige.
**** ya'll Beige for lyfeGonna revive this thread with this: WoB looks really damn bad imo.
This is for unpopular opinions, not wrong opinions. :P
What he said :))
there are WAY too much artisan keycaps on gh
The way artisan makers are kind of treated as celebrity figures/gods in the community is somewhat vexing at times.I mean only some of them are, and that bothers me more personally. I think Binge's caps are freaking amazing, and I'm not demeaning his in any way, but there are other artisan makers who are making equally cool things that don't really get the God status that Binge does. Again, I'm not necessarily saying that he doesn't deserve it, as I said, his work is amazing.
More discussion on keyboard. Just look at the classfield section and the what did you get in the mail today thread..... they are literally full of artisan keycaps. I remeber two or three years ago when I read posts on gh, there was much more discussion on keyboard.there are WAY too much artisan keycaps on gh
But where would we be without them? They cause so much drama and commotion! :P
The way artisan makers are kind of treated as celebrity figures/gods in the community is somewhat vexing at times.
The way artisan makers are kind of treated as celebrity figures/gods in the community is somewhat vexing at times.
More discussion on keyboard. Just look at the classfield section and the what did you get in the mail today thread..... they are literally full of artisan keycaps. I remeber two or three years ago when I read posts on gh, there was much more discussion on keyboard.I can agree with this to some extent. I don't really think there's too many artisans, but sometimes I feel like a lot less interesting keyboard projects are being done because it's easier for people to make artisans if they're going to do DIY. I'm not trying to demean the artisan craft by any means, but I think people see it as being an easy way to make money, not that it actually is. I'm totally guilty of getting into making artisans because I'm scared of board modding, so I don't have a ton of license to complain, but I've never really gotten into collecting mass amounts of them. So, in short, I'm fine with a ton of artisans, but I'd prefer that they not come at the extent of interesting board projects.
oh, i know its super unpopular, but i like the look of the hhkb metal case that on md right now.
oh, i know its super unpopular, but i like the look of the hhkb metal case that on md right now.
you're kind of the master of unpopular opinions anyway :>
The way artisan makers are kind of treated as celebrity figures/gods in the community is somewhat vexing at times.I mean only some of them are, and that bothers me more personally. I think Binge's caps are freaking amazing, and I'm not demeaning his in any way, but there are other artisan makers who are making equally cool things that don't really get the God status that Binge does. Again, I'm not necessarily saying that he doesn't deserve it, as I said, his work is amazing.
I've always thought Binge was under-appreciated. The dude basically (literally) wrote the book on casting at home, and so many have learned from him. Maybe I'm just not seeing all the comments you're referring to though. ;)I know he's done a lot, maybe he's not the best comparison. I'm just saying there's some people who I feel do amazing work that are relatively under-appreciated compared to kind of the standard names in artisan market like clacks, bros, and binge caps. I'm by no means saying he's over appreciated.
The way artisan makers are kind of treated as celebrity figures/gods in the community is somewhat vexing at times.I mean only some of them are, and that bothers me more personally. I think Binge's caps are freaking amazing, and I'm not demeaning his in any way, but there are other artisan makers who are making equally cool things that don't really get the God status that Binge does. Again, I'm not necessarily saying that he doesn't deserve it, as I said, his work is amazing.
I've always thought Binge was under-appreciated. The dude basically (literally) wrote the book on casting at home, and so many have learned from him. Maybe I'm just not seeing all the comments you're referring to though. ;)
Interesting, I would put you on my list of under-appreciated artisan cap makers, but not for the same reasons. I wasn't really talking about the trails people have blazed, more about their work, but this is also an interesting perspective.The way artisan makers are kind of treated as celebrity figures/gods in the community is somewhat vexing at times.I mean only some of them are, and that bothers me more personally. I think Binge's caps are freaking amazing, and I'm not demeaning his in any way, but there are other artisan makers who are making equally cool things that don't really get the God status that Binge does. Again, I'm not necessarily saying that he doesn't deserve it, as I said, his work is amazing.
I've always thought Binge was under-appreciated. The dude basically (literally) wrote the book on casting at home, and so many have learned from him. Maybe I'm just not seeing all the comments you're referring to though. ;)
Ok, I'm going to be pedantic only because I feel overlooked and there's history that came before me and inspired me to try and share my methods and how to cast at home.
Ishtob is the first one that I know of that addressed casting at home (https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=23722.0). AFAIK, after that it was Matt3o who did a little something (https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=35572.0).
After both of those, I did my first guide (https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=41371.0). I started to keep track of other experiments (https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=51973.0) and publicly discussed and shared my methods. After that, Binge wrote up his guide.
I have no problem with being overlooked.And for the rest of us it means less competition on your sales :thumb: :thumb:
sorry zeal, but I don't like zealio switches.I haven't received mine yet, so I have no judgement, but I'm glad we're past the honeymoon period. I'm sure the switches will be amazing for me, but it's good to have healthy, constructive criticisms as well.
This is probably an unpopular opinion that has been posted before, but I just honestly don't understand the hype behind Topre. After using them for a month, I had to switch back to my Poker. They just felt too springy and a little bit mushy to me.
More discussion on keyboard. Just look at the classfield section and the what did you get in the mail today thread..... they are literally full of artisan keycaps. I remeber two or three years ago when I read posts on gh, there was much more discussion on keyboard.there are WAY too much artisan keycaps on gh
But where would we be without them? They cause so much drama and commotion! :P
People think they want something, but they have no idea. You have to tell someone what they need, not ask them what they want.
I hate Realforce boards
Too many people try to make artisan caps that have little to no artistic ability whatsoever. Also, if you're doing it for the first time, don't sell the ****ty things for like $10.
I tested a Novatouch today and I think with thicker caps it would feel better than a Realforce.Is this unpopular? I thought the novatouch I tried was weirdly tactile for a 45g and loved it. If I liked TKLs and they made a 55g I'd probably buy one.
Double post but whatever.Too many people try to make artisan caps that have little to no artistic ability whatsoever. Also, if you're doing it for the first time, don't sell the ****ty things for like $10.
Ah, when I see some oddly-shaped hunk of plastic selling for $20+ on reddit.. sad days.
Too many people try to make artisan caps that have little to no artistic ability whatsoever. Also, if you're doing it for the first time, don't sell the ****ty things for like $10.
sorry zeal, but I don't like zealio switches.
sorry zeal, but I don't like zealio switches.
What don't you like about them?
sorry zeal, but I don't like zealio switches.
What don't you like about them?
I dont like fake stuff.
sorry zeal, but I don't like zealio switches.
What don't you like about them?
I dont like fake stuff.
Fake? There is nothing similar to these switches; how could they be fake? What are their "original" counterparts?
sorry zeal, but I don't like zealio switches.
What don't you like about them?
I dont like fake stuff.
Fake? There is nothing similar to these switches; how could they be fake? What are their "original" counterparts?
Cherry mx?
sorry zeal, but I don't like zealio switches.
What don't you like about them?
I dont like fake stuff.
Fake? There is nothing similar to these switches; how could they be fake? What are their "original" counterparts?
Cherry mx?
This has been extensively discussed already, MX patent is expired, so now we have similar switches made by some manufacturers. A fake is something that claims to be another thing, nobody has said that a Gateron is the same than an MX; furthermore, this particular combination is not made by Cherry, meaning the spring and stem.
sorry zeal, but I don't like zealio switches.
What don't you like about them?
I dont like fake stuff.
Fake? There is nothing similar to these switches; how could they be fake? What are their "original" counterparts?
Cherry mx?
This has been extensively discussed already, MX patent is expired, so now we have similar switches made by some manufacturers. A fake is something that claims to be another thing, nobody has said that a Gateron is the same than an MX; furthermore, this particular combination is not made by Cherry, meaning the spring and stem.
I am sorry, I should not use the word fake, I don't know what word should I use since english is not my native language. To me, the housing, the stem all look the same to Cherry mx, just in a different color. I am not talking particular zealio switches here, I am talking about all the "mx like" switches. I don't hate them, but I don't like them.
Right, im looking for the word clone. I still dont understand why is should be called mx-compatible but not mx-clonesorry zeal, but I don't like zealio switches.
What don't you like about them?
I dont like fake stuff.
Fake? There is nothing similar to these switches; how could they be fake? What are their "original" counterparts?
Cherry mx?
This has been extensively discussed already, MX patent is expired, so now we have similar switches made by some manufacturers. A fake is something that claims to be another thing, nobody has said that a Gateron is the same than an MX; furthermore, this particular combination is not made by Cherry, meaning the spring and stem.
I am sorry, I should not use the word fake, I don't know what word should I use since english is not my native language. To me, the housing, the stem all look the same to Cherry mx, just in a different color. I am not talking particular zealio switches here, I am talking about all the "mx like" switches. I don't hate them, but I don't like them.
I think you are looking for the word clone, although many months ago the forum staff said we were supposed to refer to them as 'mx-compatible' switches :)) ::)
Right, im looking for the word clone. I still dont understand why is should be called mx-compatible but not mx-clone
Right, im looking for the word clone. I still dont understand why is should be called mx-compatible but not mx-clone
I would agree, but I think Zealios are different enough that they should be called mx-compatible. I can't wait to see how the 65g stack up to my 62g lubed/stickered vintage ergo clears.
Anyways, I do not think any of MiTO's keysets have looked good. PuLSE, Sci-Fi...yea...no :(
whats the different? color, spring? even if its feel is better than cherry mx, it doesn't change the fact they are clone. i remember when gateron or other mx-clone switches came out, people don't really like how they just copy cherry mx. and now a member in gh sell these switches and everyone see differently.
Right, im looking for the word clone. I still dont understand why is should be called mx-compatible but not mx-clone
I would agree, but I think Zealios are different enough that they should be called mx-compatible. I can't wait to see how the 65g stack up to my 62g lubed/stickered vintage ergo clears.
Anyways, I do not think any of MiTO's keysets have looked good. PuLSE, Sci-Fi...yea...no :(
whats the different? color, spring? even if its feel is better than cherry mx, it doesn't change the fact they are clone. i remember when gateron or other mx-clone switches came out, people don't really like how they just copy cherry mx. and now a member in gh sell these switches and everyone see differently.
sorry zeal, but I don't like zealio switches.
What don't you like about them?
I dont like fake stuff.
And I never see you posting in Making Stuff Together johnathanyu. Easily the best forum on Geekhack which talks about keyboards all the time. I've often thought how great it would be if only that sub-forum and Keyboards existed. Maybe media too. Classifieds and GBs could get nuked. I'm ok with that.
And I never see you posting in Making Stuff Together johnathanyu. Easily the best forum on Geekhack which talks about keyboards all the time. I've often thought how great it would be if only that sub-forum and Keyboards existed. Maybe media too. Classifieds and GBs could get nuked. I'm ok with that.
I need to make it a discipline to post there more often. I do a lot of dumb little tweaks, mods, etc. and never take any photos or post about them. I get this idea that I have to hurry through the project rather than take time and enjoy it.
typing in the dark for those who aren't perfect touch typists?
typing in the dark for those who aren't perfect touch typists?
I've heard the dark room argument many times and I think that it's complete balderdash.
There are no perfect touch typists, but that's besides the point. Even in the darkest room you will always have at least one source of light strong enough to let you read the legends off your key caps. That source of light is your computer screen.
If I could get backlighting on a Model M I would do it in a heartbeat.
I've thought about making an underlay out of an electroluminescent panel. But those things just draw way too much power.If I could get backlighting on a Model M I would do it in a heartbeat.
I suppose you could try those LED ribbon things?
I've thought about making an underlay out of an electroluminescent panel. But those things just draw way too much power.If I could get backlighting on a Model M I would do it in a heartbeat.
I suppose you could try those LED ribbon things?
The way artisan makers are kind of treated as celebrity figures/gods in the community is somewhat vexing at times.I mean only some of them are, and that bothers me more personally. I think Binge's caps are freaking amazing, and I'm not demeaning his in any way, but there are other artisan makers who are making equally cool things that don't really get the God status that Binge does. Again, I'm not necessarily saying that he doesn't deserve it, as I said, his work is amazing.
I've always thought Binge was under-appreciated. The dude basically (literally) wrote the book on casting at home, and so many have learned from him. Maybe I'm just not seeing all the comments you're referring to though. ;)
Ok, I'm going to be pedantic only because I feel overlooked and there's history that came before me and inspired me to try and share my methods and how to cast at home.
Ishtob is the first one that I know of that addressed casting at home (https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=23722.0). AFAIK, after that it was Matt3o who did a little something (https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=35572.0).
After both of those, I did my first guide (https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=41371.0). I started to keep track of other experiments (https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=51973.0) and publicly discussed and shared my methods. After that, Binge wrote up his guide.
typing in the dark for those who aren't perfect touch typists?
I've heard the dark room argument many times and I think that it's complete balderdash.
There are no perfect touch typists, but that's besides the point. Even in the darkest room you will always have at least one source of light strong enough to let you read the legends off your key caps. That source of light is your computer screen.
I think the x is more interesting than y argument is a weird one. Taste is subjective and everyone has different things that they like. I love my little Dolly caps that I make, but I don't think they have any more real artistic merit over others out there outside of copycaps. I always love to hear that people love what I make, but sometimes you need a more subtle accent and other times something more dramatic is perfect. I really have a lot of respect for Clack, Punks, Bro, Binge, and Booper since they seem to really enjoy the craft and try hard to keep it art and make sure that they put the art first while striving for something high quality. I know I've come a long way in what I've done, but I've still got a long way to go and I'll keep striving for that as long as I have fun doing so.
The one thing I think most could agree on is that the artisan explosion has gotten a bit absurd, especially since you see people not vested in the community trying to make a buck or first sale caps that are still rough going for $20+ shipping on up. I love that Bro really has been striving to keep his stuff affordable and that's something I aspire to maintain as well. And Clack definitely deserves to charge more since so many people are immediately flipping caps for profit. Why shouldn't he get a portion of that?
I think the x is more interesting than y argument is a weird one. Taste is subjective and everyone has different things that they like. I love my little Dolly caps that I make, but I don't think they have any more real artistic merit over others out there outside of copycaps. I always love to hear that people love what I make, but sometimes you need a more subtle accent and other times something more dramatic is perfect. I really have a lot of respect for Clack, Punks, Bro, Binge, and Booper since they seem to really enjoy the craft and try hard to keep it art and make sure that they put the art first while striving for something high quality. I know I've come a long way in what I've done, but I've still got a long way to go and I'll keep striving for that as long as I have fun doing so.
The one thing I think most could agree on is that the artisan explosion has gotten a bit absurd, especially since you see people not vested in the community trying to make a buck or first sale caps that are still rough going for $20+ shipping on up. I love that Bro really has been striving to keep his stuff affordable and that's something I aspire to maintain as well. And Clack definitely deserves to charge more since so many people are immediately flipping caps for profit. Why shouldn't he get a portion of that?
I feel like Kreytone fits this description too :thumb:
I think Model Ms are a joke and feel like crap, but love Model Fs.
I've tried about a dozen Ms. The cases never feel completely solid like an F and they completely lack the crispness that Model Fs have.I'm exited to try capacitive BS, but the only thing I'm worried about is the sound. Videos are making me think that the very loud pingy-ness might get annoying...
I "floss modded" my SSK using rubber bands. There is no ping at all, and the keys have a nice, deep sound. Here's my writeup with audio recordings: https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=71208.0I've tried about a dozen Ms. The cases never feel completely solid like an F and they completely lack the crispness that Model Fs have.I'm exited to try capacitive BS, but the only thing I'm worried about is the sound. Videos are making me think that the very loud pingy-ness might get annoying...
Is there any way to make BS, namely f's a bit quieter?
Edit: how well does the Floss mod dampen the ping?
I think the x is more interesting than y argument is a weird one. Taste is subjective and everyone has different things that they like. I love my little Dolly caps that I make, but I don't think they have any more real artistic merit over others out there outside of copycaps. I always love to hear that people love what I make, but sometimes you need a more subtle accent and other times something more dramatic is perfect. I really have a lot of respect for Clack, Punks, Bro, Binge, and Booper since they seem to really enjoy the craft and try hard to keep it art and make sure that they put the art first while striving for something high quality. I know I've come a long way in what I've done, but I've still got a long way to go and I'll keep striving for that as long as I have fun doing so.
The one thing I think most could agree on is that the artisan explosion has gotten a bit absurd, especially since you see people not vested in the community trying to make a buck or first sale caps that are still rough going for $20+ shipping on up. I love that Bro really has been striving to keep his stuff affordable and that's something I aspire to maintain as well. And Clack definitely deserves to charge more since so many people are immediately flipping caps for profit. Why shouldn't he get a portion of that?
I really like the aluminum bezel on the Ducky mini.
I really like the aluminum bezel on the Ducky mini.
Isn't it just plastic with a cover?
I really like the aluminum bezel on the Ducky mini.
I really like the aluminum bezel on the Ducky mini.
I actually do to, especially the Year of the Horse version. I still laugh at this thoughShow Image(http://i.imgur.com/HddaZaP.png)
I'm not sure how unpopular this opinion is, but I absolutely HATE DSA caps. I was so excited to get a set of Granites only to be incredibly disappointed in them. I typed slower and made more errors.
I really like the aluminum bezel on the Ducky mini.
Isn't it just plastic with a cover?
It's two aluminum plates sandwiching a plastic center.
I really like the aluminum bezel on the Ducky mini.
Isn't it just plastic with a cover?
It's two aluminum plates sandwiching a plastic center.
Hum, that is interesting, do you know if it can get as a spare part, somewhere?
I'm not sure how unpopular this opinion is, but I absolutely HATE DSA caps. I was so excited to get a set of Granites only to be incredibly disappointed in them. I typed slower and made more errors.
I'm not sure how unpopular this opinion is, but I absolutely HATE DSA caps. I was so excited to get a set of Granites only to be incredibly disappointed in them. I typed slower and made more errors.
I love my DSA set, but it does bother me that F and J keys are scooped differently instead of having those little bumps for me to find them with my fingers.
I've tried about a dozen Ms. The cases never feel completely solid like an F and they completely lack the crispness that Model Fs have.
I'm not sure how unpopular this opinion is, but I absolutely HATE DSA caps. I was so excited to get a set of Granites only to be incredibly disappointed in them. I typed slower and made more errors.
5. Linear switches defeats the purpose of having a mechanical keyboard.
5. Linear switches defeats the purpose of having a mechanical keyboard.
I've seen this posted before, yet I still fail to understand the logic behind it. Since all rubberdomes are tactile, a mechanical keyboard is the only way to get a linear switch for someone who doesn't want feedback
1. Flipped spacebars don't feel ergonomic at all, it also makes the entire keyboard ugly and silly looking.
2. 60% keyboards are aesthetically pleasing, there are no other benefits to having them, they are horrible to use. I need my dedicated function and arrow keys.
3. Full size keyboards are ugly.
4. Winkeyless > Gon.
5. Linear switches defeats the purpose of having a mechanical keyboard.
6. ABS keycaps should be phased out.
1. Flipped spacebars don't feel ergonomic at all, it also makes the entire keyboard ugly and silly looking.
2. 60% keyboards are aesthetically pleasing, there are no other benefits to having them, they are horrible to use. I need my dedicated function and arrow keys.
3. Full size keyboards are ugly.
4. Winkeyless > Gon.
5. Linear switches defeats the purpose of having a mechanical keyboard.
6. ABS keycaps should be phased out.
5. Linear switches defeats the purpose of having a mechanical keyboard.
I've seen this posted before, yet I still fail to understand the logic behind it. Since all rubberdomes are tactile, a mechanical keyboard is the only way to get a linear switch for someone who doesn't want feedback
1. Flipped spacebars don't feel ergonomic at all, it also makes the entire keyboard ugly and silly looking.
2. 60% keyboards are aesthetically pleasing, there are no other benefits to having them, they are horrible to use. I need my dedicated function and arrow keys.
3. Full size keyboards are ugly.
4. Winkeyless > Gon.
5. Linear switches defeats the purpose of having a mechanical keyboard.
6. ABS keycaps should be phased out.
4. Winkeyless > Gon.
4. I use GON and have used WKL. GON's programmability is incredible and even a pleb like me can do tons of things with it. Also don't know anyone who doesn't use the Windows key that uses Windows.
4. Winkeyless > Gon.
4. I use GON and have used WKL. GON's programmability is incredible and even a pleb like me can do tons of things with it. Also don't know anyone who doesn't use the Windows key that uses Windows.
I'm confused as to whether you are talking about this company http://winkeyless.kr/ (http://winkeyless.kr/) or this type of keyboard.Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/EMr0L.jpg)
After using wire key pullers and just trying plastic ring key pullers, I like plastic more. They say that it can scratch keys, but wire pullers can gouge out the underside. Metal on plastic is asking for a bad time.
After using wire key pullers and just trying plastic ring key pullers, I like plastic more. They say that it can scratch keys, but wire pullers can gouge out the underside. Metal on plastic is asking for a bad time.
Maybe you're using it wrong? I haven't had any issues with metal ones. The only time I prefer the ring puller is on NMB Hi-Tek boards.
After using wire key pullers and just trying plastic ring key pullers, I like plastic more. They say that it can scratch keys, but wire pullers can gouge out the underside. Metal on plastic is asking for a bad time.
Maybe you're using it wrong? I haven't had any issues with metal ones. The only time I prefer the ring puller is on NMB Hi-Tek boards.
I've noticed when pulling GMK caps off a board with relatively new clears that they do dig a tiny bit into the underside of the cap
Not sure if this has been mentioned, but I hate LED backlighting.
Not sure if this has been mentioned, but I hate LED backlighting.I think many people will agree with you on this opinion.
Not sure if this has been mentioned, but I hate LED backlighting.
Not sure if this has been mentioned, but I hate LED backlighting.After having two CODE keyboards -- clears at work, and greens at home -- I've decided I don't like backlit mechanical keyboards; the CODE at home has been replaced by a KUL with clears. (Although that may be replaced by either a Matias or a Realforce shortly.) I'm okay with the backlighting on my Macbook's internal keyboard, though.
Not sure if this has been mentioned, but I hate LED backlighting.After having two CODE keyboards -- clears at work, and greens at home -- I've decided I don't like backlit mechanical keyboards; the CODE at home has been replaced by a KUL with clears. (Although that may be replaced by either a Matias or a Realforce shortly.) I'm okay with the backlighting on my Macbook's internal keyboard, though.
Not sure if this has been mentioned, but I hate LED backlighting.I think many people will agree with you on this opinion.
Not sure if this has been mentioned, but I hate LED backlighting.
Not sure if this has been mentioned, but I hate LED backlighting.about a million times yeah
I like the sound of rubber dome keyboards
I like the sound of rubber dome keyboards
I like the sound of rubber dome keyboards
Older rubber dome boards have a nice sound to them. Dell Quietkeys (NOT quiet), Keytronics, some IBM rubber domes, all come to mind. And scissor switches on the Surface Book and Macbooks have a nice crisp sound as well.
I like listening to the Keychatter video on YouTube of the HHKB Lite 1 and Original HHKB. they sound quite crispy. One day, I shall grab my hands on one of those.I like the sound of rubber dome keyboards
Older rubber dome boards have a nice sound to them. Dell Quietkeys (NOT quiet), Keytronics, some IBM rubber domes, all come to mind. And scissor switches on the Surface Book and Macbooks have a nice crisp sound as well.
I like the sound of rubber dome keyboards
Right, I should go start an Unpopular Mechanical Keyboard Opinions thread. :3I like the sound of rubber dome keyboards
This opinion is very popular, millions of rubber dome users share it; therefore, it does not belong in this thread.
:)) :)) :))
I don't know man, when ever I go out, I like to assert my dominance and prowess over other people with my HHKB, it makes me feel alive, Y'know what I'm mean?
typing in the dark for those who aren't perfect touch typists?
I've heard the dark room argument many times and I think that it's complete balderdash.
There are no perfect touch typists, but that's besides the point. Even in the darkest room you will always have at least one source of light strong enough to let you read the legends off your key caps. That source of light is your computer screen.
Right, I should go start an Unpopular Mechanical Keyboard Opinions thread. :3I like the sound of rubber dome keyboards
This opinion is very popular, millions of rubber dome users share it; therefore, it does not belong in this thread.
:)) :)) :))
about a million times yeah
not to sound like an ******* lol, just letting you know that like half of GH doesn't really like them either
I'm pretty sure having keyboard opinions in general are unpopular for anyone that doesn't frequent this site.This is so meta.
- Scissors are better for gaming than mech keyboards (less travel distance)
I'm pretty sure having keyboard opinions in general are unpopular for anyone that doesn't frequent this site.This is so meta.
Unpopular opinion #1:
Typing on bare switches is so much better than typing on actual key caps. :thumb:
Unpopular opinion #1:
Typing on bare switches is so much better than typing on actual key caps. :thumb:
The ****
Unpopular opinion #1:
Typing on bare switches is so much better than typing on actual key caps. :thumb:
Unpopular opinion #1:
Typing on bare switches is so much better than typing on actual key caps. :thumb:
The ****
Nobody said you have to post your actual opinions. Just unpopular ones.
Unpopular opinion #1:
Typing on bare switches is so much better than typing on actual key caps. :thumb:
Unpopular opinion #1:
Typing on bare switches is so much better than typing on actual key caps. :thumb:
The ****
Nobody said you have to post your actual opinions. Just unpopular ones.
Unpopular opinion #1:
Typing on bare switches is so much better than typing on actual key caps. :thumb:
The ****
Nobody said you have to post your actual opinions. Just unpopular ones.
You get the idea! :thumb:
Except...
I really do like typing on bare switches. :-X
I... I mean... Caps are just for pictures, right? NO ONE REALLY TYPES WITH THEM, RIGHT? :-\
Unpopular opinion #1:
Typing on bare switches is so much better than typing on actual key caps. :thumb:
Unpopular opinion #1:
Typing on bare switches is so much better than typing on actual key caps. :thumb:
The ****
Nobody said you have to post your actual opinions. Just unpopular ones.
You get the idea! :thumb:
Except...
I really do like typing on bare switches. :-X
I... I mean... Caps are just for pictures, right? NO ONE REALLY TYPES WITH THEM, RIGHT? :-\
Unpopular opinion #1:
Typing on bare switches is so much better than typing on actual key caps. :thumb:
I would rather type on bare switches if it meant not using thin ABS :-X
Unpopular opinion #1:
Typing on bare switches is so much better than typing on actual key caps. :thumb:
I would rather type on bare switches if it meant not using thin ABS :-X
If you can reach 50wpm with no caps and post a video of it I'll send you a brocap
Unpopular opinion #1:
Typing on bare switches is so much better than typing on actual key caps. :thumb:
I would rather type on bare switches if it meant not using thin ABS :-X
If you can reach 50wpm with no caps and post a video of it I'll send you a brocap
Dunno if serious, but here ya go, boss. :P
The only artisan I have is one from the lovely bcred bottle. So if you are serious, I'd appreciate it! I'm not super big on artisans, but I think it'd be cool to have at least one brocap.
Unpopular opinion #1:
Typing on bare switches is so much better than typing on actual key caps. :thumb:
I would rather type on bare switches if it meant not using thin ABS :-X
If you can reach 50wpm with no caps and post a video of it I'll send you a brocap
Dunno if serious, but here ya go, boss. :P
The only artisan I have is one from the lovely bcred bottle. So if you are serious, I'd appreciate it! I'm not super big on artisans, but I think it'd be cool to have at least one brocap.
Unpopular opinion #1:
Typing on bare switches is so much better than typing on actual key caps. :thumb:
I would rather type on bare switches if it meant not using thin ABS :-X
If you can reach 50wpm with no caps and post a video of it I'll send you a brocap
Dunno if serious, but here ya go, boss. :P
The only artisan I have is one from the lovely bcred bottle. So if you are serious, I'd appreciate it! I'm not super big on artisans, but I think it'd be cool to have at least one brocap.Show Image(http://38.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lr78jnDPaE1r2vzxbo1_r1_400.gif)
Unpopular opinion #1:
Typing on bare switches is so much better than typing on actual key caps. :thumb:
I would rather type on bare switches if it meant not using thin ABS :-X
If you can reach 50wpm with no caps and post a video of it I'll send you a brocap
Dunno if serious, but here ya go, boss. :P
The only artisan I have is one from the lovely bcred bottle. So if you are serious, I'd appreciate it! I'm not super big on artisans, but I think it'd be cool to have at least one brocap.Show Image(http://38.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lr78jnDPaE1r2vzxbo1_r1_400.gif)
Got to at least do it on typeracer :p
Starting this hobby was a mistake.
Starting this hobby was a mistake.
*For my wallet
Is how i feel lol
Starting this hobby was a mistake.
*For my wallet
Is how i feel lol
Must of the stuff you get could be re-sell at any time, in the worst case scenario you can get your money back.
Starting this hobby was a mistake.
*For my wallet
Is how i feel lol
Must of the stuff you get could be re-sell at any time, in the worst case scenario you can get your money back.
Yeah, I used to trade Dota items, and those things depreciate in value amazingly fast. It's nice knowing I could resell most of my keyboards in a couple years for at least the price I bought them for, if not more.
If you're srs, I'll make an Alps-to-MX stem and that will be the only cap I ever put on my Dell AT101. :P
If not.
ಠ_ಠ
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My today's unpopular opinion: HHKB arrow combos suck.
My today's unpopular opinion: HHKB arrow combos suck.
Compare them with how accessible the Space+IJKL are.
Gotta agree, diamond style arrows is ok but it's just on a wrong position way too close to the fn key, makes hand movement wrong.
I like my K70Also forgot to mention, I don't get why some people pay $500 for Gons.
I think the Ducky Mini actually n't look half .
(Kinda keyboard related) I think trackballs are absolutely horrible.
I also hate Model M's.
Compare them with how accessible the Space+IJKL are.
Yeah, I really need to try that. Are you actually using it?
Today I'm using my right mods to make arrows on the first layer, which is very good, but then it doesn't work on HHKB-like or winkeyless layouts.Gotta agree, diamond style arrows is ok but it's just on a wrong position way too close to the fn key, makes hand movement wrong.
I feel like everything is wrong. Diamond style force you to use only 2 fingers for 4 keys, which is dumb. Even HJKL from Vi makes more sens. The Fn key being on the complete right force you to move the hand so much that you loose all the benefit of the 60%, and you still have to use your pinky to make a combo...
In general, I don't like backlighting. Every now and then it's nice to see an artisan lit up, but other than that, I just have it off.
In general, I don't like backlighting. Every now and then it's nice to see an artisan lit up, but other than that, I just have it off.
I couldn't agree more. I think the whole RGB LED thing is just added cost with little to no value added. I have my Ducky Mini that I enjoy but in reality I wouldn't bug me at all of it had no LEDs and was 10$-15$ cheaper. Especially since I want to dress it up with much nicer Keycaps.
If you're srs, I'll make an Alps-to-MX stem and that will be the only cap I ever put on my Dell AT101. :P
If not.
ಠ_ಠ
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Bravo!
Send me your details and I will be sending you a Black Cherokey (MX) when I get them
If you're srs, I'll make an Alps-to-MX stem and that will be the only cap I ever put on my Dell AT101. :P
If not.
ಠ_ಠ
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Bravo!
Send me your details and I will be sending you a Black Cherokey (MX) when I get them
+1 for the follow through man, nice to see!
I like my K70Also forgot to mention, I don't get why some people pay $500 for Gons.
I think the Ducky Mini actually n't look half .
(Kinda keyboard related) I think trackballs are absolutely horrible.
I also hate Model M's.
If you're srs, I'll make an Alps-to-MX stem and that will be the only cap I ever put on my Dell AT101. :P
If not.
ಠ_ಠ
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Bravo!
Send me your details and I will be sending you a Black Cherokey (MX) when I get them
+1 for the follow through man, nice to see!
Many thanks from me as well! I thought it was fun to try out for, but I had no idea if it was a serious offer. :thumb:
Decided to do it too for fun, (not expecting an artisan, just wanted to see if I could do it for fun)If you're srs, I'll make an Alps-to-MX stem and that will be the only cap I ever put on my Dell AT101. :P
If not.
ಠ_ಠ
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Bravo!
Send me your details and I will be sending you a Black Cherokey (MX) when I get them
+1 for the follow through man, to see!
Many thanks from me as well! I thought it was fun to try out for, but I had no idea if it was a serious offer. :thumb:
No worries :) It's stuff like this that makes the community a fun place to spend time
Just realized, I uploaded that video in slow motion.Decided toit too for fun, (not expecting an artisan, just wanted to see if I couldit for fun)If you're srs, I'll make an Alps-to-MX stem and that will be the only cap I ever put on my Dell AT101. :P
If not.
ಠ_ಠ
feature=youtu.be
Bravo!
Send me your details and I will be sending you a Black Cherokey (MX) when I get them
+1 for the follow through man, to see!
Many thanks from me as well! I thought it was fun to try out for, but I had no idea if it was a serious offer. :thumb:
No worries :) It's stuff like this that makes the community a fun place to spend time
There should be some sort of weekly typing contest with challenges like this, I like these sorts of this.
last time responding to myself, I swear. 92 WPM, no keycaps.Just realized, I uploaded that video in slow motion.Decided toit too for fun, (not expecting an artisan, just wanted to see if I couldit for fun)If you're srs, I'll make an Alps-to-MX stem and that will be the only cap I ever put on my Dell AT101. :P
If not.
ಠ_ಠ
feature=youtu.be
Bravo!
Send me your details and I will be sending you a Black Cherokey (MX) when I get them
+1 for the follow through man, to see!
Many thanks from me as well! I thought it was fun to try out for, but I had no idea if it was a serious offer. :thumb:
No worries :) It's stuff like this that makes the community a fun place to spend time
There should be some sort of weekly typing contest with challenges like this, I like these sorts of this.
I'm dumb.
last time responding to myself, I swear. 92 WPM, no keycaps.Just realized, I uploaded that video in slow motion.Decided toit too for fun, (not expecting an artisan, just wanted to see if I couldit for fun)If you're srs, I'll make an Alps-to-MX stem and that will be the only cap I ever put on my Dell AT101. :P
If not.
ಠ_ಠ
feature=youtu.be
Bravo!
Send me your details and I will be sending you a Black Cherokey (MX) when I get them
+1 for the follow through man, to see!
Many thanks from me as well! I thought it was fun to try out for, but I had no idea if it was a serious offer. :thumb:
No worries :) It's stuff like this that makes the community a fun place to spend time
There should be some sort of weekly typing contest with challenges like this, I like these sorts of this.
I'm dumb.
That was my thought too. Kinda want to try with a cherry board, but the only time I did try it my fingers ended up hurting :plast time responding to myself, I swear. 92 WPM, no keycaps.Just realized, I uploaded that video in slow motion.Decided toit too for fun, (not expecting an artisan, just wanted to see if I couldit for fun)If you're srs, I'll make an Alps-to-MX stem and that will be the only cap I ever put on my Dell AT101. :P
If not.
ಠ_ಠ
feature=youtu.be
Bravo!
Send me your details and I will be sending you a Black Cherokey (MX) when I get them
+1 for the follow through man, to see!
Many thanks from me as well! I thought it was fun to try out for, but I had no idea if it was a serious offer. :thumb:
No worries :) It's stuff like this that makes the community a fun place to spend time
There should be some sort of weekly typing contest with challenges like this, I like these sorts of this.
I'm dumb.
speed :p
I think that topre would be easier though as the stems are bigger than alps or topre
That was my thought too. Kinda want to try with a cherry board, but the only time I did try it my fingers ended up hurting :p
I'm pretty sure having keyboard opinions in general are unpopular for anyone that doesn't frequent this site.This is so meta.
:thumb: ::sniffs:: I smell a programmer :)
I'm pretty sure having keyboard opinions in general are unpopular for anyone that doesn't frequent this site.This is so meta.
:thumb: ::sniffs:: I smell a programmer :)
+1 :))
colleagues look at me like i'm crazy when i share with them how much i spend on them keycaps and keyboards
they go like "dude, a $10 keyboard does the same job with the same level of efficiency"
Another spam, did another and uploading. 92 WPM.
Ok, lets try ;D:
Those flat acrylic cases (like GONs or SPRITs) look very bad. I would never build a custom keyboard if I had to use one.
Topre is not mechanical. Hybrid, at most.
Artisans are not really art.
If you bottom out when typing you are doing it wrong. A switch that forces you to(or is very hard not to) bottom out sucks and has no reason to have a complicated mechanism to actuate before bottom.
PBT > ABS. Nobody should pay more than fifty bucks for an ABS set.
These days rubberdomes are more likely to come without factory defects then mechs. The "more durable" story is just a myth if you do not have basic soldering skills.
dude, the spam posts since these new rules has gotten to be a bit ridiculous. so many random threads are getting resurrected along with them that were dead for a reason :confused:
dude, the spam posts since these new rules has gotten to be a bit ridiculous. so many random threads are getting resurrected along with them that were dead for a reason :confused:
I wish this forum has a sort by post date option, or if it does, that I knew how to use it.
dude, the spam posts since these new rules has gotten to be a bit ridiculous. so many random threads are getting resurrected along with them that were dead for a reason :confused:
I wish this forum has a sort by post date option, or if it does, that I knew how to use it.
Spy (https://geekhack.org/index.php?action=recenttopics)?
These days rubberdomes are more likely to come without factory defects then mechs. The "more durable" story is just a myth if you do not have basic soldering skills.
dude, the spam posts since these new rules has gotten to be a bit ridiculous. so many random threads are getting resurrected along with them that were dead for a reason :confused:
I wish this forum has a sort by post date option, or if it does, that I knew how to use it.
Spy (https://geekhack.org/index.php?action=recenttopics)?
DUDE YOU JUST MADE THIS FORUM 20X BETTER FOR ME! :D
EDIT - Wait, no you didn't. I'm looking for a sort by post-date, not by most recent comment. :(
dude, the spam posts since these new rules has gotten to be a bit ridiculous. so many random threads are getting resurrected along with them that were dead for a reason :confused:
I wish this forum has a sort by post date option, or if it does, that I knew how to use it.
Ehh, it's just a format I'm used to. Thanks for trying though!
Spy (https://geekhack.org/index.php?action=recenttopics)?
DUDE YOU JUST MADE THIS FORUM 20X BETTER FOR ME! :D
EDIT - Wait, no you didn't. I'm looking for a sort by post-date, not by most recent comment. :(
;D
:'(
Sorry. I'm not aware of any way to sort by original post date. I'm not really sure why you'd want to do that? Some of the most active threads here were started years ago. Heck, you never would have seen this very thread if you sorted that way. I guess it would allow you to keep up to date on the latest tp4 threads though. ;)
;D
:'(
Sorry. I'm not aware of any way to sort by original post date. I'm not really sure why you'd want to do that? Some of the most active threads here were started years ago. Heck, you never would have seen this very thread if you sorted that way. I guess it would allow you to keep up to date on the latest tp4 threads though. ;)
Ehh, it's just a format I'm used to. Thanks for trying though!
the detail of the Rustler looks really awesome,but......it looks really really creepy
the detail of the Rustler looks really awesome,but......it looks really really creepy
I couldn't agree more with this. The eyes creep me out.
the detail of the Rustler looks really awesome,but......it looks really really creepy
I couldn't agree more with this. The eyes creep me out.
I sometimes wish someone would make some cute keycaps. maybe a sheep
the detail of the Rustler looks really awesome,but......it looks really really creepy
I couldn't agree more with this. The eyes creep me out.
I sometimes wish someone would make some cute keycaps. maybe a sheep
Krytone just released that adorabe bird, Boopers monkey is precious, KeyKollectiv's mewocap and General Meow were cute as a button! Theres lots of cute caps ;D
the detail of the Rustler looks really awesome,but......it looks really really creepy
I couldn't agree more with this. The eyes creep me out.
I sometimes wish someone would make some cute keycaps. maybe a sheep
Krytone just released that adorabe bird, Boopers monkey is precious, KeyKollectiv's mewocap and General Meow were cute as a button! Theres lots of cute caps ;D
Plus there is Slo-Fi, Ribbit, and Dolly! And others.
the detail of the Rustler looks really awesome,but......it looks really really creepy
I couldn't agree more with this. The eyes creep me out.
I sometimes wish someone would make some cute keycaps. maybe a sheep
Krytone just released that adorabe bird, Boopers monkey is precious, KeyKollectiv's mewocap and General Meow were cute as a button! Theres lots of cute caps ;D
Plus there is Slo-Fi, Ribbit, and Dolly! And others.
Can confirm Slo-Fi is adorable
Source: sloths are favorite animal.
yet I still don't have one...
My duck boards i had owned seemed better quality and seemed better to type on/use.
My duck boards i had owned seemed better quality and seemed better to type on/use.
How so?
Are you on a KMAC 1 or 2? I could see the 1 lacking a bit of solidity as it has the feet vs. the 2's solid bottom.My duck boards i had owned seemed better quality and seemed better to type on/use.
How so?
When typing on the kmac, it just feels hollow. Where as on the duck's it felt more solid. idk if it is the case, or the plate or what.
Also, not the kmac's fault but i like having more of an angle on my boards and the kmac is quite flat.
Are you on a KMAC 1 or 2? I could see the 1 lacking a bit of solidity as it has the feet vs. the 2's solid bottom.My duck boards i had owned seemed better quality and seemed better to type on/use.
How so?
When typing on the kmac, it just feels hollow. Where as on the duck's it felt more solid. idk if it is the case, or the plate or what.
Also, not the kmac's fault but i like having more of an angle on my boards and the kmac is quite flat.
Personally I love the low angle and anything above 10 kinda kills me, but a lot of people seem to like the Duck angles (11 on most?)
I like big ass enter
I like big ass enterAnd I can not lie.
I like big ass enterAnd I can not lie.
Baby got backspace.I like big ass enterAnd I can not lie.
Sir MX A Lot?!
Baby got backspace.I like big ass enterAnd I can not lie.
Sir MX A Lot?!
I like big ass enter
I like big ass, enter.
I like big ass enter
I like big ass, enter.
So should we call ISO enter, big top enter ?
I like big ass enter
I like big ass, enter.
So should we call ISO enter, big top enter ?
Big tits enter?
That way we can have an enter for both crowds.
I feel terrible saying that. :-X
I like big ass enter
I like big ass, enter.
So should we call ISO enter, big top enter ?
Big tits enter?
That way we can have an enter for both crowds.
I feel terrible saying that. :-X
I like big ass. Enter.
KMAC LE. It also uses the feet. I do use quite an angle, my work board is a 55g 10th AE realforce with some aftermarket cone feet that props it up to like a 15 degree angle.Damn that's steep. I guess if you use a big wrest or float your wrists you would be fine. Since I rest my wrists on the desk I tend towards lower angled boards like the KMAC or TGR. I would like to type on a KMAC II sometime to compare the differences in feel, though I feel like the TGR is close enough that I could compare with that.
That isn't an unpopular opinion.
I hate DSA keycaps.
SA key caps are ugly.
I agree 90% but long left shift :(
JIS is the best layout.
I agree 90% but long left shift :(
JIS is the best layout.
I agree 90% but long left shift :(
JIS is the best layout.Show Image(http://www.keyboardco.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2013/02/TCblj4Nh.jpg)
how about this?
60% tho, I hate it
I hate DSA keycaps.SA key caps are ugly.
Not unpopular.
JIS is the best layout.
If you're srs, I'll make an Alps-to-MX stem and that will be the only cap I ever put on my Dell AT101. :P
I think someone on DT has made something like this, or vice-versa, can't remember. :-[If you're srs, I'll make an Alps-to-MX stem and that will be the only cap I ever put on my Dell AT101. :P
Actually in all seriousness - why doesn't this exist yet?
The alps keys look like you could insert a small piece of plastic in the top of them that would accept a cherry keycap. They might ride a little high, but I think that could be managed depending on the design on the insert.
MoreI think someone on DT has made something like this, or vice-versa, can't remember. :-[If you're srs, I'll make an Alps-to-MX stem and that will be the only cap I ever put on my Dell AT101. :P
Actually in all seriousness - why doesn't this exist yet?
The alps keys look like you could insert a small piece of plastic in the top of them that would accept a cherry keycap. They might ride a little high, but I think that could be managed depending on the design on the insert.
MoreI think someone on DT has made something like this, or vice-versa, can't remember. :-[If you're srs, I'll make an Alps-to-MX stem and that will be the only cap I ever put on my Dell AT101. :P
Actually in all seriousness - why doesn't this exist yet?
The alps keys look like you could insert a small piece of plastic in the top of them that would accept a cherry keycap. They might ride a little high, but I think that could be managed depending on the design on the insert.
It's deaf on DT..I made some that are up on Shapeways. I've been trying to get them made in POM, but it's a high investment for a small niche.
More people should start with Topre keyboards
MoreI think someone on DT has made something like this, or vice-versa, can't remember. :-[If you're srs, I'll make an Alps-to-MX stem and that will be the only cap I ever put on my Dell AT101. :P
Actually in all seriousness - why doesn't this exist yet?
The alps keys look like you could insert a small piece of plastic in the top of them that would accept a cherry keycap. They might ride a little high, but I think that could be managed depending on the design on the insert.
It's deaf on DT..I made some that are up on Shapeways. I've been trying to get them made in POM, but it's a high investment for a small niche.
What sort of investment are we talking about?
MoreI think someone on DT has made something like this, or vice-versa, can't remember. :-[If you're srs, I'll make an Alps-to-MX stem and that will be the only cap I ever put on my Dell AT101. :P
Actually in all seriousness - why doesn't this exist yet?
The alps keys look like you could insert a small piece of plastic in the top of them that would accept a cherry keycap. They might ride a little high, but I think that could be managed depending on the design on the insert.
It's deaf on DT..I made some that are up on Shapeways. I've been trying to get them made in POM, but it's a high investment for a small niche.
What sort of investment are we talking about?
If I were to do it at home with less durable molds, ~$700-$1500 or so and a considerable time investment, cheaper if a nearby makerspace does actually get an injection molder. With real molds, north of $2k. I've been trying to contact a company I know that produced adapters in the past to find out about their molds, but I can't get in touch with them.
HHKB has a bad layout because when you need multiple layers, removing a modifier key near your left pinky wastes valuable space.
1. Winkeyless is stupid and ugly (why would you want to eliminate a key that you have easy space for?)
2. Keyboards that don't support Linux and Mac are not worth owning
3. The "thock" of Topre has nothing on the click on Alps
4. Alps is the best keyswitch, modded Gateron Blues in the second spot
5. Cherry MXClear feels awful. It physically shifts the whole key as you type and not a linear motion at all.
6. Who the heck needs Gateron Clear 25g switches, was red just too heavy?
7. 60% programmable keyboards just are the most efficient in terms of space and speed of typing for everyone who is not an accountant.
8. People who can't learn 60% layouts in a week or two are just not good learners.
9. 80% is the least efficient layout (why so much empty space?).
10. SA profile is the best for typing and the least error prone of all profiles
11. GMK is way overpriced, regardless of the high quality.
12. All Keycaps should come with a medium-rough texture.
I still don't ee how people can use the arrow of HHKB.
The less worst way I can see is pinky on fn and middle finger on arrows but it's such an uncomfortable position.
I still don't ee how people can use the arrow of HHKB.I actually find them really nice. I do pinky on fn and index and middle on ';
The less worst way I can see is pinky on fn and middle finger on arrows but it's such an uncomfortable position.
I still don't ee how people can use the arrow of HHKB.
The less worst way I can see is pinky on fn and middle finger on arrows but it's such an uncomfortable position.
I still don't ee how people can use the arrow of HHKB.
The less worst way I can see is pinky on fn and middle finger on arrows but it's such an uncomfortable position.
I use my pinky on FN and my index and middle finger on the arrows. It's a lot easier when you get it down to muscle memory.
Yeah, after using 60% boards for a while, it feels weird using dedicated arrow keysI still don't ee how people can use the arrow of HHKB.
The less worst way I can see is pinky on fn and middle finger on arrows but it's such an uncomfortable position.
I actually find my self trying to use HHKB arrows on my real force =(
I prefer the fn arrows over the dedicated arrow cluster. I hate having to move my right arm so much just to use the dedicated cluster.
1. Winkeyless is stupid and ugly (why would you want to eliminate a key that you have easy space for?)I disagree with #1. In fact, I think winkey keyboards are stupid because they interfere with alt and ctrl, which are way more important.
2. Keyboards that don't support Linux and Mac are not worth owning
3. The "thock" of Topre has nothing on the click on Alps
4. Alps is the best keyswitch, modded Gateron Blues in the second spot
5. Cherry MXClear feels awful. It physically shifts the whole key as you type and not a linear motion at all.
6. Who the heck needs Gateron Clear 25g switches, was red just too heavy?
7. 60% programmable keyboards just are the most efficient in terms of space and speed of typing for everyone who is not an accountant.
8. People who can't learn 60% layouts in a week or two are just not good learners.
9. 80% is the least efficient layout (why so much empty space?).
10. SA profile is the best for typing and the least error prone of all profiles
11. GMK is way overpriced, regardless of the high quality.
12. All Keycaps should come with a medium-rough texture.
1. Winkeyless is stupid and ugly (why would you want to eliminate a key that you have easy space for?)
2. Keyboards that don't support Linux and Mac are not worth owning
3. The "thock" of Topre has nothing on the click on Alps
4. Alps is the best keyswitch, modded Gateron Blues in the second spot
5. Cherry MXClear feels awful. It physically shifts the whole key as you type and not a linear motion at all.
6. Who the heck needs Gateron Clear 25g switches, was red just too heavy?
7. 60% programmable keyboards just are the most efficient in terms of space and speed of typing for everyone who is not an accountant.
8. People who can't learn 60% layouts in a week or two are just not good learners.
9. 80% is the least efficient layout (why so much empty space?).
10. SA profile is the best for typing and the least error prone of all profiles
11. GMK is way overpriced, regardless of the high quality.
12. All Keycaps should come with a medium-rough texture.
7. 60% programmable keyboards just are the most efficient in terms of space and speed of typing for everyone who is not an accountant.
brb, my 3yr old neice is telling her teacher7. 60% programmable keyboards just are the most efficient in terms of space and speed of typing for everyone who is not an accountant.
TIL only accountants use numbers.
BRB, telling boss the news.
1. Winkeyless is stupid and ugly (why would you want to eliminate a key that you have easy space for?)
2. Keyboards that don't support Linux and Mac are not worth owning
3. The "thock" of Topre has nothing on the click on Alps
4. Alps is the best keyswitch, modded Gateron Blues in the second spot
5. Cherry MXClear feels awful. It physically shifts the whole key as you type and not a linear motion at all.
6. Who the heck needs Gateron Clear 25g switches, was red just too heavy?
7. 60% programmable keyboards just are the most efficient in terms of space and speed of typing for everyone who is not an accountant.
8. People who can't learn 60% layouts in a week or two are just not good learners.
9. 80% is the least efficient layout (why so much empty space?).
10. SA profile is the best for typing and the least error prone of all profiles
11. GMK is way overpriced, regardless of the high quality.
12. All Keycaps should come with a medium-rough texture.
And then buckle!Baby got backspace.I like big ass enterAnd I can not lie.
Sir MX A Lot?!
We get sprung!
HHKB has a bad layout because when you need multiple layers, removing a modifier key near your left pinky wastes valuable space.
Disagree. The HHKB has remained largely unchanged in terms of layout since 1996, with sales increasing yearly, pretty much solidifying the fact that is is a good layout. It has one of the most thought through layouts of any keyboard imo, though it is also aimed at a specific audience. Any small format keyboard is going to have multiple layers though, no way around that.
1. Winkeyless is stupid and ugly (why would you want to eliminate a key that you have easy space for?)
2. Keyboards that don't support Linux and Mac are not worth owning
3. The "thock" of Topre has nothing on the click on Alps
4. Alps is the best keyswitch, modded Gateron Blues in the second spot
5. Cherry MXClear feels awful. It physically shifts the whole key as you type and not a linear motion at all.
6. Who the heck needs Gateron Clear 25g switches, was red just too heavy?
7. 60% programmable keyboards just are the most efficient in terms of space and speed of typing for everyone who is not an accountant.
8. People who can't learn 60% layouts in a week or two are just not good learners.
9. 80% is the least efficient layout (why so much empty space?).
10. SA profile is the best for typing and the least error prone of all profiles
11. GMK is way overpriced, regardless of the high quality.
12. All Keycaps should come with a medium-rough texture.
7. 60% programmable keyboards just are the most efficient in terms of space and speed of typing for everyone who is not an accountant.
TIL only accountants use numbers.
BRB, telling boss the news.
SA are smooth as a baby's butt. ?
Actually while we're at it:
1. scissor switch, chiclet keyboards should be grounds for divorce, cause for intervention, and be considered a modern example of nihilist apathy and furious rage towards all mankind. This swich exists as a litmus test for bare-minimum personal computing skillset.
2. Dell keyboards serve only 1 purpose: to log onto the internet and buy a real keyboard. They are the plastic sporks of personal computing.
3. There comes a point when a ducky or other sufficiently fancy disco keyboard is indistinguishable from a pride parade. every key is wonderfully crafted, but altogether they can make old people really uncomfortable.
You can Rough up your SA profile ABS keycaps with just some Muslin soaked in ABS. If you mess up, you can clear it out using Novus2 plastic polish (A secret of pinball and arcade restoration).Very cool. Thank you for sharing!
Actually while we're at it:
1. scissor switch, chiclet keyboards should be grounds for divorce, cause for intervention, and be considered a modern example of nihilist apathy and furious rage towards all mankind. This swich exists as a litmus test for bare-minimum personal computing skillset.
2. Dell keyboards serve only 1 purpose: to log onto the internet and buy a real keyboard. They are the plastic sporks of personal computing.
3. There comes a point when a ducky or other sufficiently fancy disco keyboard is indistinguishable from a pride parade. every key is wonderfully crafted, but altogether they can make old people really uncomfortable.
SA are smooth as a baby's butt. ?
There are non-smooth options when it comes to SA finishes. :D
Here is an unpopular opinion:
Every SP key cap set I have used feels like cheap junk (granted I have not used any SA sets).
Here is an unpopular opinion:
Every SP key cap set I have used feels like cheap junk (granted I have not used any SA sets).
You can Rough up your SA profile ABS keycaps with just some Muslin soaked in Acetone . If you mess up, you can clear it out using Novus2 plastic polish (A secret of pinball and arcade restoration).Very cool. Thank you for sharing!
Here is an unpopular opinion:
Every SP key cap set I have used feels like cheap junk (granted I have not used any SA sets).
SA is good. Will agree DSA and DCS aren't great by any means.
Here is an unpopular opinion:
Every SP key cap set I have used feels like cheap junk (granted I have not used any SA sets).
I have no issues with DSA or SA by SP. DCS though, I dunno why anyone would go that route when they could get cherry profile instead, which is much more available these days. Not to mention more affordable with several new manufacturers in the picture. SP DCS is thin as hell. It just doesn't hold up against other, similarly profiled, yet thicker options.Here is an unpopular opinion:
Every SP key cap set I have used feels like cheap junk (granted I have not used any SA sets).
in what way? everybody ****s on SP but never says why it's ****. i feel like a ton of you just ride cherry **** because it's a popular thing to do.
I have no issues with DSA or SA by SP. DCS though, I dunno why anyone would go that route when they could get cherry profile instead, which is much more available these days. Not to mention more affordable with several new manufacturers in the picture. SP DCS is thin as hell. It just doesn't hold up against other, similarly profiled, yet thicker options.Here is an unpopular opinion:
Every SP key cap set I have used feels like cheap junk (granted I have not used any SA sets).
in what way? everybody ****s on SP but never says why it's ****. i feel like a ton of you just ride cherry **** because it's a popular thing to do.
On topic: I love to type on worn, shiny caps.
I have no issues with DSA or SA by SP. DCS though, I dunno why anyone would go that route when they could get cherry profile instead, which is much more available these days. Not to mention more affordable with several new manufacturers in the picture. SP DCS is thin as hell. It just doesn't hold up against other, similarly profiled, yet thicker options.Here is an unpopular opinion:
Every SP key cap set I have used feels like cheap junk (granted I have not used any SA sets).
in what way? everybody ****s on SP but never says why it's ****. i feel like a ton of you just ride cherry **** because it's a popular thing to do.
On topic: I love to type on worn, shiny caps.
I have no issues with DSA or SA by SP. DCS though, I dunno why anyone would go that route when they could get cherry profile instead, which is much more available these days. Not to mention more affordable with several new manufacturers in the picture. SP DCS is thin as hell. It just doesn't hold up against other, similarly profiled, yet thicker options.Here is an unpopular opinion:
Every SP key cap set I have used feels like cheap junk (granted I have not used any SA sets).
in what way? everybody ****s on SP but never says why it's ****. i feel like a ton of you just ride cherry **** because it's a popular thing to do.
On topic: I love to type on worn, shiny caps.
it all feels the same to me. i dont get it. thick, thin, cherry, oem. pbt/abs.. all feels the same.
it all feels the same to me. i dont get it. thick, thin, cherry, oem. pbt/abs.. all feels the same.
it all feels the same to me. i dont get it. thick, thin, cherry, oem. pbt/abs.. all feels the same.
It's all about the thickness....
Seriously tho, I used to feel the same way, but I love my GMK caps. They are super smooth and the thickness provides a nice sound when I type. I have cherry profile PBT too, but I like the ABS better. There is a large part of this that is psychological for sure. But my fingers love that smooth ABS.
I feel the same as you about only about spring weights. Everyone is all like "I just swapped my 65g springs for 67g and WOW, what a difference!". And I'm over here like, I can't tell a damn bit of difference, wtf are they on about?. When there is more varience, sure, but not at such small intervals.
I feel the same as you about only about spring weights. Everyone is all like "I just swapped my 65g springs for 67g and WOW, what a difference!". And I'm over here like, I can't tell a damn bit of difference, wtf are they on about?. When there is more varience, sure, but not at such small intervals.
Is demik really Strong Bad?I have no issues with DSA or SA by SP. DCS though, I dunno why anyone would go that route when they could get cherry profile instead, which is much more available these days. Not to mention more affordable with several new manufacturers in the picture. SP DCS is thin as hell. It just doesn't hold up against other, similarly profiled, yet thicker options.Here is an unpopular opinion:
Every SP key cap set I have used feels like cheap junk (granted I have not used any SA sets).
in what way? everybody ****s on SP but never says why it's ****. i feel like a ton of you just ride cherry **** because it's a popular thing to do.
On topic: I love to type on worn, shiny caps.
it all feels the same to me. i dont get it. thick, thin, cherry, oem. pbt/abs.. all feels the same.
Take your gloves off.
If you finally have found the best typing experience, who cares if it was due to a placebo effect.
If you finally have found the best typing experience, who cares if it was due to a placebo effect.
Cause when people find their "best" typing experience they then shout it from the rooftops and get the less experienced to buy snake oil, and then we're just the equivalent of the audiophile crowd but $300 cables when $5'll do.
If you finally have found the best typing experience, who cares if it was due to a placebo effect.
Cause when people find their "best" typing experience they then shout it from the rooftops and get the less experienced to buy snake oil, and then we're just the equivalent of the audiophile crowd but $300 cables when $5'll do.
Well said sir. If only more people in the world had the ability to comprehend such wisdom...If you finally have found the best typing experience, who cares if it was due to a placebo effect.
Cause when people find their "best" typing experience they then shout it from the rooftops and get the less experienced to buy snake oil, and then we're just the equivalent of the audiophile crowd but $300 cables when $5'll do.
Only a deeply naive individual believes someone else's best experience may be her own.
- Artisan keycaps are ugly. (Even more if you consider their insanely high resale prices)
- I really despise keyboards with steep inclination, and by extension, just about 90% of Korean customs keyboards. (Negative tilt is the best ergonomic position for keyboards, who make them the opposite).
- All ABS keycaps must be in glossy finish. Why bother doing it in matte, when keycaps will get glossier and glossier over time? (This is why OG DS Cherry rocks)
- I hate HHKB's second layer. Arrows must be in home row. (I hate the evangelists on Topre and HHKB)
60% keyboards don't need metal plates, or plates of any sort.You need a plate to hold the switches if you don't use a PCB. I agree about the LEDs and stabs though.
LEDs are gimmicky
Cherry over CoStar stabs
Yeah. I find most of them objectively ugly, but I still want them, don't know really why, maybe this is for their rarity or just to complete the keyboard collection. I think I'm a huge victim of the mechanical keyboard consumer society. :D
- Artisan keycaps are ugly.
Yeah this is dumb, but it doesn't make me not use them. Korean keyboards have so much more than any other keyboard, it's just sad they all are so inclined.
- I really despise keyboards with steep inclination, and by extension, just about 90% of Korean customs keyboards.
- All ABS keycaps must be in glossy finish. Why bother doing it in matte, when keycaps will get glossier and glossier over time?
Yep. Already said this on that same topic.
- I hate HHKB's second layer. Arrows must be in home row.
Yeah. I find most of them objectively ugly, but I still want them, don't know really why, maybe this is for their rarity or just to complete the keyboard collection. I think I'm a huge victim of the mechanical keyboard consumer society. :D
60% keyboards don't need metal plates, or plates of any sort.
LEDs are gimmicky
Cherry over CoStar stabs
Graffiti™ is the best text input method ever for touchscreen devices.I completely agree! I was bummed when my palm treo wasn't just one touch screen that could allow the use of Graffiti. When you got it down, you could easily type almost as fast as you could write, if not a little faster.
If you finally have found the best typing experience, who cares if it was due to a placebo effect.
Cause when people find their "best" typing experience they then shout it from the rooftops and get the less experienced to buy snake oil, and then we're just the equivalent of the audiophile crowd but $300 cables when $5'll do.
Only a deeply naive individual believes someone else's best experience may be her own.
The (mis)alignment of nearly every keyboard ever is old fashioned, and any company that doesn't reconsider the qwerty layout as the default is dumb, stupid and shouldn't be allowed to earn money from keyboard sales.
60% keyboards don't need metal plates, or plates of any sort.
LEDs are gimmicky
Cherry over CoStar stabs
These are all really popular too (in increasing order). I think three or four people have mentioned LEDs in the last two pages of this thread and lots of people agreed.
And I think in the three years I've been in this hobby I've heard maybe two or three people prefer costar over cherry stabs - if that.
A popular unpopular opinion is that LEDs are trivial and needless.
An unpopular popular opinion is that LEDs add an amazing bedazzling aspect to a keyboard, and that we should pray to the RGB gods to grace us with their glorious rainbow light.
That said, I don't mind it either way.
lol!A popular unpopular opinion is that LEDs are trivial and needless.
An unpopular popular opinion is that LEDs add an amazing bedazzling aspect to a keyboard, and that we should pray to the RGB gods to grace us with their glorious rainbow light.
That said, I don't mind it either way.
LEDs are useful as lock indicators, if you want more lights get x-mas tree.
A popular unpopular opinion is that LEDs are trivial and needless.
An unpopular popular opinion is that LEDs add an amazing bedazzling aspect to a keyboard, and that we should pray to the RGB gods to grace us with their glorious rainbow light.
That said, I don't mind it either way.
LEDs are useful as lock indicators, if you want more lights get x-mas tree.
A popular unpopular opinion is that LEDs are trivial and needless.
An unpopular popular opinion is that LEDs add an amazing bedazzling aspect to a keyboard, and that we should pray to the RGB gods to grace us with their glorious rainbow light.
That said, I don't mind it either way.
LEDs are useful as lock indicators, if you want more lights get x-mas tree.
I have cats and can't have an xmas tree, so how about I get a keyboard instead.
http://bridesthrowingcats.com/A popular unpopular opinion is that LEDs are trivial and needless.
An unpopular popular opinion is that LEDs add an amazing bedazzling aspect to a keyboard, and that we should pray to the RGB gods to grace us with their glorious rainbow light.
That said, I don't mind it either way.
LEDs are useful as lock indicators, if you want more lights get x-mas tree.
I have cats and can't have an xmas tree, so how about I get a keyboard instead.
Get rid of them.
http://bridesthrowingcats.com/A popular unpopular opinion is that LEDs are trivial and needless.
An unpopular popular opinion is that LEDs add an amazing bedazzling aspect to a keyboard, and that we should pray to the RGB gods to grace us with their glorious rainbow light.
That said, I don't mind it either way.
LEDs are useful as lock indicators, if you want more lights get x-mas tree.
I have cats and can't have an xmas tree, so how about I get a keyboard instead.
Get rid of them.
And only a very naive individual thinks that they are completely unswayed by others opinions.
The third-rate mind is only happy when it is thinking with the majority. The second-rate mind is only happy when it is thinking with the minority. The first-rate mind is only happy when it is thinking.
I got a 55g Realforce today and I prefer 45g. They might do better in an HHKB but everyone treats 55g Topre like the holy ****in grail.mx clears and 55g topre
so much hype for these two things you feel stupid if you don't try them out then you feel stupid when you do :)
This is what happened when I searched for 'throwing cats', lol. Pretty hilarious once you realize they're all fake.http://bridesthrowingcats.com/A popular unpopular opinion is that LEDs are trivial and needless.
An unpopular popular opinion is that LEDs add an amazing bedazzling aspect to a keyboard, and that we should pray to the RGB gods to grace us with their glorious rainbow light.
That said, I don't mind it either way.
LEDs are useful as lock indicators, if you want more lights get x-mas tree.
I have cats and can't have an xmas tree, so how about I get a keyboard instead.
Get rid of them.
This is one the weirdest things I have seen recently.
It's okay to trash rubberdomes for being crappy as long as I can trash all mechanicals for being crappy because all I've tried is a TVS-e Gold and Ducky XM.
This is what happened when I searched for 'throwing cats', lol. Pretty hilarious once you realize they're all fake.http://bridesthrowingcats.com/A popular unpopular opinion is that LEDs are trivial and needless.
An unpopular popular opinion is that LEDs add an amazing bedazzling aspect to a keyboard, and that we should pray to the RGB gods to grace us with their glorious rainbow light.
That said, I don't mind it either way.
LEDs are useful as lock indicators, if you want more lights get x-mas tree.
I have cats and can't have an xmas tree, so how about I get a keyboard instead.
Get rid of them.
This is one the weirdest things I have seen recently.
It's okay to trash rubberdomes for being crappy as long as I can trash all mechanicals for being crappy because all I've tried is a TVS-e Gold and Ducky XM.
Trash talking something for it's poor quality is different than trash talking something because you have not tried it, it's two completely different animals.
Just tired of the "ewwww rubber domes so attrocious!" Hey maybe you don't like them, but if you are going to judge ALL of them based on a select few - then you deserve to be called out.
I really liked the addon that got banned from the recent MD Otaku set :(
I really liked the addon that got banned from the recent MD Otaku set :(
the rising sun?
I really liked the addon that got banned from the recent MD Otaku set :(
the rising sun?
Yes. Apparently there are some who are offended by the image.
If they are that offended it is curious that they would be interested in a Japanese character keyset. Perhaps if they are so offended they should take it a step further and ban all Japanese products from Korea - including Realforce and Filco keyboards.
The flag's currently used by the Japan self-defense forces. This oversensitivity is ridiculous. I'm glad Nuclear Data didn't draw the attention of SJWs from Greeenpeace.
They do not use the exact same flag as Imperial Japan, the current flag for Japan's Self Defense Force has 8 rays with a gold border instead of Rising Sun's 16 with no border.I realize Wikipedia might not be the best authority on vexillology, but this flag (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Japan_Maritime_Self-Defense_Force (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Japan_Maritime_Self-Defense_Force)) used by the JDF (maritime) sports 16 rays. In the case of the keyset, it's a distinction without a difference. No one was buying the keyset to try to glorify the atrocities of Imperial Japan, and the people who complained about it and got it taken down did no service to their cause.
They do not use the exact same flag as Imperial Japan, the current flag for Japan's Self Defense Force has 8 rays with a gold border instead of Rising Sun's 16 with no border.I realize Wikipedia might not be the best authority on vexillology, but this flag (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Japan_Maritime_Self-Defense_Force (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Japan_Maritime_Self-Defense_Force)) used by the JDF (maritime) sports 16 rays. In the case of the keyset, it's a distinction without a difference. No one was buying the keyset to try to glorify the atrocities of Imperial Japan, and the people who complained about it and got it taken down did no service to their cause.
I don't believe they were trying to glorify the atrocities either but the people who complain may prefer to not be reminded of it. Think of coming out with a German themed keyboard where you could have the current German Flag as a child deal or Nazi Germany's flag. I don't really care either way about the set but I can't stand when people don't look at both sides of the situation.People who didn't want it don't have to buy it. I'd be offended by an ISIS themed keyset, but I wouldn't be baying to have it banned--I just wouldn't support it. The right of free expression is more important than the non-existent right of any of us to not be offended.
I don't believe they were trying to glorify the atrocities either but the people who complain may prefer to not be reminded of it. Think of coming out with a German themed keyboard where you could have the current German Flag as a child deal or Nazi Germany's flag. I don't really care either way about the set but I can't stand when people don't look at both sides of the situation.People who didn't want it don't have to buy it. I'd be offended by an ISIS themed keyset, but I wouldn't be baying to have it banned--I just wouldn't support it. The right of free expression is more important than the non-existent right of any of us to not be offended.
It represents a dark time in their countries pastDARK TIMES
Massdrop drop was just trying to cover their asses, people love to have a reason to complain.You nailed it right there. Commercial expediency plus an agitating few result in effective suppression. And it's unlikely the backlash will cost them enough to register though I do hope it makes designers think twice or more before committing to having MD be their GB platform.
People who didn't want it don't have to buy it. I'd be offended by an ISIS themed keyset, but I wouldn't be baying to have it banned--I just wouldn't support it. The right of free expression is more important than the non-existent right of any of us to not be offended.
It's about the symbol means, it's the same as the Germans taken offense to the Swastika. It represents a dark time in their countries past, you're logic is very flawed in saying that all Japanese products should be banned because they take offense to a symbol. Realforce and Filco have nothing to do with atrocities linked to rising sun flag. I suggest you do a little reading, http://thewandereronline.com/why-one-should-never-use-the-japanese-rising-sun-flag-by-dongwoo-kim/ (http://thewandereronline.com/why-one-should-never-use-the-japanese-rising-sun-flag-by-dongwoo-kim/)
The flag's currently used by the Japan self-defense forces. This oversensitivity is ridiculous. I'm glad Nuclear Data didn't draw the attention of SJWs from Greeenpeace.
It's about the symbol means, it's the same as the Germans taken offense to the Swastika. It represents a dark time in their countries past, you're logic is very flawed in saying that all Japanese products should be banned because they take offense to a symbol. Realforce and Filco have nothing to do with atrocities linked to rising sun flag. I suggest you do a little reading, http://thewandereronline.com/why-one-should-never-use-the-japanese-rising-sun-flag-by-dongwoo-kim/ (http://thewandereronline.com/why-one-should-never-use-the-japanese-rising-sun-flag-by-dongwoo-kim/)
This is the stupidest crock of ****. Should the world get worked up when they see the British flag? The American flag? What about Soviet memorabilia? Are you going to hunt down the Yuri IC and ***** about that too? How about the jtk IC with counter strike imagery? You know people with guns kill people, is anyone going to be offended by that? No? Why is that? I'll tell you why, because it's stupid, short sighted, ignorant, and entitled. If you don't line something, don't buy it, but in the meantime get off your high horse and admit that everything offends someone and it's their job to deal with it on their own. This is a keyboard community, not a political history forum. If someone has a symbol you don't like in a group buy, then don't buy it.
What you stated is more or less fact. I think the whole reactionary upset due to the symbol is stupid. I can see how my reply would seem to attack you and for that I apologize. I still think that the decision was ignorant and short sighted.
It's about the symbol means, it's the same as the Germans taken offense to the Swastika. It represents a dark time in their countries past, you're logic is very flawed in saying that all Japanese products should be banned because they take offense to a symbol. Realforce and Filco have nothing to do with atrocities linked to rising sun flag. I suggest you do a little reading, http://thewandereronline.com/why-one-should-never-use-the-japanese-rising-sun-flag-by-dongwoo-kim/ (http://thewandereronline.com/why-one-should-never-use-the-japanese-rising-sun-flag-by-dongwoo-kim/)
This is the stupidest crock of ****. Should the world get worked up when they see the British flag? The American flag? What about Soviet memorabilia? Are you going to hunt down the Yuri IC and ***** about that too? How about the jtk IC with counter strike imagery? You know people with guns kill people, is anyone going to be offended by that? No? Why is that? I'll tell you why, because it's stupid, short sighted, ignorant, and entitled. If you don't line something, don't buy it, but in the meantime get off your high horse and admit that everything offends someone and it's their job to deal with it on their own. This is a keyboard community, not a political history forum. If someone has a symbol you don't like in a group buy, then don't buy it.
To start off with, I am in no way *****ing and would like to retain this conversation with maturity, please. I do not like the Otaku set, nor do I have any affiliation with it however I'm trying to make you look at this problem from both points of view. Looking at your previous posts, you are being very single minded and making very quick judgments. The Nazi Flag and the Imperial Japanese Army Flag both represent dark times for there country, they're citizens would prefer to not be reminded but their ancestors heinous crimes. Japan does still not use the flag today the Imperial Japanese Army Flag has a centered sun disc while the Japanese Maritime Self-Defense Force has a skewed sun disc to the left. As I said previously Massdrop is just trying to cover their ass, it is in their best interest to drop the child kit rather than giving people a reason to get pissed off and boycott Massdrop in their free time. No matter how much complaining you do it will not bring back the child kit, it sucks, get over it.
What you stated is more or less fact. I think the whole reactionary upset due to the symbol is stupid. I can see how my reply would seem to attack you and for that I apologize. I still think that the decision was ignorant and short sighted.
It's about the symbol means, it's the same as the Germans taken offense to the Swastika. It represents a dark time in their countries past, you're logic is very flawed in saying that all Japanese products should be banned because they take offense to a symbol. Realforce and Filco have nothing to do with atrocities linked to rising sun flag. I suggest you do a little reading, http://thewandereronline.com/why-one-should-never-use-the-japanese-rising-sun-flag-by-dongwoo-kim/ (http://thewandereronline.com/why-one-should-never-use-the-japanese-rising-sun-flag-by-dongwoo-kim/)
This is the stupidest crock of ****. Should the world get worked up when they see the British flag? The American flag? What about Soviet memorabilia? Are you going to hunt down the Yuri IC and ***** about that too? How about the jtk IC with counter strike imagery? You know people with guns kill people, is anyone going to be offended by that? No? Why is that? I'll tell you why, because it's stupid, short sighted, ignorant, and entitled. If you don't line something, don't buy it, but in the meantime get off your high horse and admit that everything offends someone and it's their job to deal with it on their own. This is a keyboard community, not a political history forum. If someone has a symbol you don't like in a group buy, then don't buy it.
To start off with, I am in no way *****ing and would like to retain this conversation with maturity, please. I do not like the Otaku set, nor do I have any affiliation with it however I'm trying to make you look at this problem from both points of view. Looking at your previous posts, you are being very single minded and making very quick judgments. The Nazi Flag and the Imperial Japanese Army Flag both represent dark times for there country, they're citizens would prefer to not be reminded but their ancestors heinous crimes. Japan does still not use the flag today the Imperial Japanese Army Flag has a centered sun disc while the Japanese Maritime Self-Defense Force has a skewed sun disc to the left. As I said previously Massdrop is just trying to cover their ass, it is in their best interest to drop the child kit rather than giving people a reason to get pissed off and boycott Massdrop in their free time. No matter how much complaining you do it will not bring back the child kit, it sucks, get over it.
Dedicated numpads, like arrow keys, are just a waste of space when your board has programmable layers, since you can make them appear on the home row at any time right where your fingers already are.
Graffiti™ is the best text input method ever for touchscreen devices. Seriously, onscreen keyboards are so dumb and unsuitable for the task I think their designers are trolling on purpose. "Let's take a computer board, shrink it down to unmanageable size and put it on a flat surface where you can't tell where keys are by touch alone". Good grief.
So when the **** did this forum turn into reddit.
So when the **** did this forum turn into reddit.
When half of r/MK came over for them bros.
So when the **** did this forum turn into reddit.
When half of r/MK came over for them bros.
Not even /r/mk has this much *****ing about "sjws"
So when the **** did this forum turn into reddit.
When half of r/MK came over for them bros.
Not even /r/mk has this much *****ing about "sjws"
There was a guy who made three different topics about this, and the discussion in the main topic was pretty miserable. Trust me they were just as bad.
Back on topic...
I'd rather have a reduced lead time for a GB than wait forever for a better profile/color. Specifically I feel like the wait times for SA are going to get totally insane and I'd rather some sets be designed for DCS/GMK/DSA/etc just so that we don't end up having to wait 2 years for a group buy to go through.
So when the **** did this forum turn into reddit.
When half of r/MK came over for them bros.
Not even /r/mk has this much *****ing about "sjws"
There was a guy who made three different topics about this, and the discussion in the main topic was pretty miserable. Trust me they were just as bad.
Back on topic...
I'd rather have a reduced lead time for a GB than wait forever for a better profile/color. Specifically I feel like the wait times for SA are going to get totally insane and I'd rather some sets be designed for DCS/GMK/DSA/etc just so that we don't end up having to wait 2 years for a group buy to go through.
I'm newer to mech. keyboards, but I cannot for the life of me understand a 2 year wait. I would be absolutely irate to spend $$$ on a set that takes 6-9 months, unless I was made aware of that right away and updated somewhat often on the progress, so 2+ years just makes no sense to me. Is this a common occurrence or is this something that happens rarely, with a couple vendors?
So when the **** did this forum turn into reddit.
When half of r/MK came over for them bros.
Not even /r/mk has this much *****ing about "sjws"
There was a guy who made three different topics about this, and the discussion in the main topic was pretty miserable. Trust me they were just as bad.
Back on topic...
I'd rather have a reduced lead time for a GB than wait forever for a better profile/color. Specifically I feel like the wait times for SA are going to get totally insane and I'd rather some sets be designed for DCS/GMK/DSA/etc just so that we don't end up having to wait 2 years for a group buy to go through.
I'm newer to mech. keyboards, but I cannot for the life of me understand a 2 year wait. I would be absolutely irate to spend $$$ on a set that takes 6-9 months, unless I was made aware of that right away and updated somewhat often on the progress, so 2+ years just makes no sense to me. Is this a common occurrence or is this something that happens rarely, with a couple vendors?
For keysets it happens very rarely to have more than a year to get a keyset. It's when something goes wrong that it takes that long.
However 6months is a normal wait time for a lot of sets.
So when the **** did this forum turn into reddit.
When half of r/MK came over for them bros.
Not even /r/mk has this much *****ing about "sjws"
There was a guy who made three different topics about this, and the discussion in the main topic was pretty miserable. Trust me they were just as bad.
Back on topic...
I'd rather have a reduced lead time for a GB than wait forever for a better profile/color. Specifically I feel like the wait times for SA are going to get totally insane and I'd rather some sets be designed for DCS/GMK/DSA/etc just so that we don't end up having to wait 2 years for a group buy to go through.
I'm newer to mech. keyboards, but I cannot for the life of me understand a 2 year wait. I would be absolutely irate to spend $$$ on a set that takes 6-9 months, unless I was made aware of that right away and updated somewhat often on the progress, so 2+ years just makes no sense to me. Is this a common occurrence or is this something that happens rarely, with a couple vendors?
So when the **** did this forum turn into reddit.
When half of r/MK came over for them bros.
Not even /r/mk has this much *****ing about "sjws"
There was a guy who made three different topics about this, and the discussion in the main topic was pretty miserable. Trust me they were just as bad.
Back on topic...
I'd rather have a reduced lead time for a GB than wait forever for a better profile/color. Specifically I feel like the wait times for SA are going to get totally insane and I'd rather some sets be designed for DCS/GMK/DSA/etc just so that we don't end up having to wait 2 years for a group buy to go through.
I'm newer to mech. keyboards, but I cannot for the life of me understand a 2 year wait. I would be absolutely irate to spend $$$ on a set that takes 6-9 months, unless I was made aware of that right away and updated somewhat often on the progress, so 2+ years just makes no sense to me. Is this a common occurrence or is this something that happens rarely, with a couple vendors?
It's very rare for a group buy to get to or even exceed 2 years. Yes there are group buys that take up to and a little over a year but that's part of joining group buys. Anytime you join a group buy you should always take the delivery dates with a grain salt, sadly something could go wrong and delay it further or if the GB leader has some personal issues to deal with(which seems to be the case for a few). For Signature Plastics they have a limited amount of machines that can produce SA caps, with the current flood of designs they are limited by the machines production rate. It all depends on busy they are and even if they have a huge wholesale orders to attend to as well. Key sets on average take about I'd say 5-7 months.
It certainly makes sense now as to why they would take awhile, I have just heard rumors of GBs running into the year or years territory and was having a hard time understanding how that could happen. I was amazed after discussing custom caps with a friend and watching a 3D printing video of an guy making a single cap just how much time goes into just a simple design like he had made, which made the prices of them make a little more sense.
It certainly makes sense now as to why they would take awhile, I have just heard rumors of GBs running into the year or years territory and was having a hard time understanding how that could happen. I was amazed after discussing custom caps with a friend and watching a 3D printing video of an guy making a single cap just how much time goes into just a simple design like he had made, which made the prices of them make a little more sense.
Yeah it's even more costly and time consuming with injection molding. Having to create the mold and then have the machine to the produce the caps is quite costly. Double shots are fantastic, I'm not too big on 3d printed caps.
It certainly makes sense now as to why they would take awhile, I have just heard rumors of GBs running into the year or years territory and was having a hard time understanding how that could happen. I was amazed after discussing custom caps with a friend and watching a 3D printing video of an guy making a single cap just how much time goes into just a simple design like he had made, which made the prices of them make a little more sense.
Yeah it's even more costly and time consuming with injection molding. Having to create the mold and then have the machine to the produce the caps is quite costly. Double shots are fantastic, I'm not too big on 3d printed caps.
The molds already exist. Injection molding is worlds faster, which is why it's so much cheaper.
For Signature Plastics they have a limited amount of machines that can produce SA caps, with the current flood of designs they are limited by the machines production rate. It all depends on busy they are and even if they have a huge wholesale orders to attend to as well. Key sets on average take about I'd say 5-7 months.
For Signature Plastics they have a limited amount of machines that can produce SA caps, with the current flood of designs they are limited by the machines production rate. It all depends on busy they are and even if they have a huge wholesale orders to attend to as well. Key sets on average take about I'd say 5-7 months.
Yeah this was what I was referring to. There's gonna be a tipping point where the rate of sets designed is more than the number of sets produced, and people are gonna have to accept DCS or other producers or else new sets will just keep being pushed out. Hopefully JTK will be able alleviate some of the demand...
It certainly makes sense now as to why they would take awhile, I have just heard rumors of GBs running into the year or years territory and was having a hard time understanding how that could happen. I was amazed after discussing custom caps with a friend and watching a 3D printing video of an guy making a single cap just how much time goes into just a simple design like he had made, which made the prices of them make a little more sense.
Yeah it's even more costly and time consuming with injection molding. Having to create the mold and then have the machine to the produce the caps is quite costly. Double shots are fantastic, I'm not too big on 3d printed caps.
The molds already exist. Injection molding is worlds faster, which is why it's so much cheaper.
It certainly makes sense now as to why they would take awhile, I have just heard rumors of GBs running into the year or years territory and was having a hard time understanding how that could happen. I was amazed after discussing custom caps with a friend and watching a 3D printing video of an guy making a single cap just how much time goes into just a simple design like he had made, which made the prices of them make a little more sense.
Yeah it's even more costly and time consuming with injection molding. Having to create the mold and then have the machine to the produce the caps is quite costly. Double shots are fantastic, I'm not too big on 3d printed caps.
The molds already exist. Injection molding is worlds faster, which is why it's so much cheaper.
So what happens to older molds for sets that aren't being produced anymore? Are they owned by the printers or are they sent back to the creators of the sets? I ask because I would love to have a Nuclear set but would rather not pay the prices that are being asked for them now, and I even saw that recently there was an interest check on older keysets and Nuclear was pretty high up, but SKIDATA ended up being made.
This is where I hope matt3o can get the spherical deep dish PBT molds done and put into use. That gets us more options and allows for another tall spherical profile for those that want such.
So what happens to older molds for sets that aren't being produced anymore? Are they owned by the printers or are they sent back to the creators of the sets? I ask because I would love to have a Nuclear set but would rather not pay the prices that are being asked for them now, and I even saw that recently there was an interest check on older keysets and Nuclear was pretty high up, but SKIDATA ended up being made.
It certainly makes sense now as to why they would take awhile, I have just heard rumors of GBs running into the year or years territory and was having a hard time understanding how that could happen. I was amazed after discussing custom caps with a friend and watching a 3D printing video of an guy making a single cap just how much time goes into just a simple design like he had made, which made the prices of them make a little more sense.
Yeah it's even more costly and time consuming with injection molding. Having to create the mold and then have the machine to the produce the caps is quite costly. Double shots are fantastic, I'm not too big on 3d printed caps.
The molds already exist. Injection molding is worlds faster, which is why it's so much cheaper.
So what happens to older molds for sets that aren't being produced anymore? Are they owned by the printers or are they sent back to the creators of the sets? I ask because I would love to have a Nuclear set but would rather not pay the prices that are being asked for them now, and I even saw that recently there was an interest check on older keysets and Nuclear was pretty high up, but SKIDATA ended up being made.
It certainly makes sense now as to why they would take awhile, I have just heard rumors of GBs running into the year or years territory and was having a hard time understanding how that could happen. I was amazed after discussing custom caps with a friend and watching a 3D printing video of an guy making a single cap just how much time goes into just a simple design like he had made, which made the prices of them make a little more sense.
Yeah it's even more costly and time consuming with injection molding. Having to create the mold and then have the machine to the produce the caps is quite costly. Double shots are fantastic, I'm not too big on 3d printed caps.
The molds already exist. Injection molding is worlds faster, which is why it's so much cheaper.
So what happens to older molds for sets that aren't being produced anymore? Are they owned by the printers or are they sent back to the creators of the sets? I ask because I would love to have a Nuclear set but would rather not pay the prices that are being asked for them now, and I even saw that recently there was an interest check on older keysets and Nuclear was pretty high up, but SKIDATA ended up being made.
With SP's new agreement with designers I believe that SP still has ownership of the molds since they are willing to create the keysets as the please without having to go through the designer every time. By having the designer sign the agreement they are basically signing away ownership of their design to SP in return for a small margin of profit. Nuclear Data was just on their website not too long ago but it sold out again, I'm assuming it will make a re-appearance at some point.
It certainly makes sense now as to why they would take awhile, I have just heard rumors of GBs running into the year or years territory and was having a hard time understanding how that could happen. I was amazed after discussing custom caps with a friend and watching a 3D printing video of an guy making a single cap just how much time goes into just a simple design like he had made, which made the prices of them make a little more sense.
Yeah it's even more costly and time consuming with injection molding. Having to create the mold and then have the machine to the produce the caps is quite costly. Double shots are fantastic, I'm not too big on 3d printed caps.
The molds already exist. Injection molding is worlds faster, which is why it's so much cheaper.
So what happens to older molds for sets that aren't being produced anymore? Are they owned by the printers or are they sent back to the creators of the sets? I ask because I would love to have a Nuclear set but would rather not pay the prices that are being asked for them now, and I even saw that recently there was an interest check on older keysets and Nuclear was pretty high up, but SKIDATA ended up being made.
The molds are all the same for every set, unless legend choice is different. But if we ignore legends, and look at blanks, they're all the same mold (each Row 1 1u key is injected into the "same" mold (realistically each mold produces multiple keys and they probably operate multiple molds at once)), only the resin that's injected into the mold changes.
I never know how much any given person knows about injection molding, so hopefully I'm not telling you things you already know. :-[
It certainly makes sense now as to why they would take awhile, I have just heard rumors of GBs running into the year or years territory and was having a hard time understanding how that could happen. I was amazed after discussing custom caps with a friend and watching a 3D printing video of an guy making a single cap just how much time goes into just a simple design like he had made, which made the prices of them make a little more sense.
Yeah it's even more costly and time consuming with injection molding. Having to create the mold and then have the machine to the produce the caps is quite costly. Double shots are fantastic, I'm not too big on 3d printed caps.
The molds already exist. Injection molding is worlds faster, which is why it's so much cheaper.
So what happens to older molds for sets that aren't being produced anymore? Are they owned by the printers or are they sent back to the creators of the sets? I ask because I would love to have a Nuclear set but would rather not pay the prices that are being asked for them now, and I even saw that recently there was an interest check on older keysets and Nuclear was pretty high up, but SKIDATA ended up being made.
The molds are all the same for every set, unless legend choice is different. But if we ignore legends, and look at blanks, they're all the same mold (each Row 1 1u key is injected into the "same" mold (realistically each mold produces multiple keys and they probably operate multiple molds at once)), only the resin that's injected into the mold changes.
I never know how much any given person knows about injection molding, so hopefully I'm not telling you things you already know. :-[
This is where I hope matt3o can get the spherical deep dish PBT molds done and put into use. That gets us more options and allows for another tall spherical profile for those that want such.
Aren't those for buckling springs? Or am I thinking of something else.QuoteSo what happens to older molds for sets that aren't being produced anymore? Are they owned by the printers or are they sent back to the creators of the sets? I ask because I would love to have a Nuclear set but would rather not pay the prices that are being asked for them now, and I even saw that recently there was an interest check on older keysets and Nuclear was pretty high up, but SKIDATA ended up being made.
I believe that the creators generally own all custom legends, but I'm not sure how many of the legends on nuclear data are custom.
And skidata is GMK so thats a different manufacturer.
So when the **** did this forum turn into reddit.
When half of r/MK came over for them bros.
Not even /r/mk has this much *****ing about "sjws"
There was a guy who made three different topics about this, and the discussion in the main topic was pretty miserable. Trust me they were just as bad.
Back on topic...
I'd rather have a reduced lead time for a GB than wait forever for a better profile/color. Specifically I feel like the wait times for SA are going to get totally insane and I'd rather some sets be designed for DCS/GMK/DSA/etc just so that we don't end up having to wait 2 years for a group buy to go through.
I'm newer to mech. keyboards, but I cannot for the life of me understand a 2 year wait. I would be absolutely irate to spend $$$ on a set that takes 6-9 months, unless I was made aware of that right away and updated somewhat often on the progress, so 2+ years just makes no sense to me. Is this a common occurrence or is this something that happens rarely, with a couple vendors?
I don't really care about the material of keycaps, I think the surface finish is most important.
I don't really care about the material of keycaps, I think the surface finish is most important.
I agree with you but the thickness is also a major factor to me. I hate really thin key caps like tai hao.
I don't really care about the material of keycaps, I think the surface finish is most important.
I agree with you but the thickness is also a major factor to me. I hate really thin key caps like tai hao.
The thickness of the spacebar is very important to me, but rest of the keys I can't really feel the difference except the typing sound
I don't really care about the material of keycaps, I think the surface finish is most important.
I agree with you but the thickness is also a major factor to me. I hate really thin key caps like tai hao.
The thickness of the spacebar is very important to me, but rest of the keys I can't really feel the difference except the typing sound
Your right that it doesn't affect the feel that much, they just feel more rigid to me. I'm really liking my OTD Red Alert set, I was using granite on my RS96 for awhile and didn't really mind the profile.
Numpad is the cd rom drive of the keyboard
Numpad is the cd rom drive of the keyboard
Numpad is the cd rom drive of the keyboard
They remind me of using a GPS unit instead of your phone for directions. Like some people might find them better or they have some applications where they're superior, but most people just use them out of habit rather than any real advantage.
Numpad is the cd rom drive of the keyboard
They remind me of using a GPS unit instead of your phone for directions. Like some people might find them better or they have some applications where they're superior, but most people just use them out of habit rather than any real advantage.
Truth be told, I have my Duck Lightpad for 1) aesthetics, 2) because it "completes" the 75% layout of my Octagon, 3) keybinds and macros - keypads are great for that. Rarely do I ever use it for any kind of data entry, though I feel like a professional whenever I enter 1-handed number combos with it.
Yep, "vintage" ergo clears and sorbothane dampening on a pad that gets much less use than the main keyboard, but hey... It is nice when I DO use it. :-[
Numpad is the cd rom drive of the keyboard
They remind me of using a GPS unit instead of your phone for directions. Like some people might find them better or they have some applications where they're superior, but most people just use them out of habit rather than any real advantage.
Truth be told, I have my Duck Lightpad for 1) aesthetics, 2) because it "completes" the 75% layout of my Octagon, 3) keybinds and macros - keypads are great for that. Rarely do I ever use it for any kind of data entry, though I feel like a professional whenever I enter 1-handed number combos with it.
Yep, "vintage" ergo clears and sorbothane dampening on a pad that gets much less use than the main keyboard, but hey... It is nice when I DO use it. :-[
Numpad is the cd rom drive of the keyboard
They remind me of using a GPS unit instead of your phone for directions. Like some people might find them better or they have some applications where they're superior, but most people just use them out of habit rather than any real advantage.
Numpad is the cd rom drive of the keyboard
They remind me of using a GPS unit instead of your phone for directions. Like some people might find them better or they have some applications where they're superior, but most people just use them out of habit rather than any real advantage.
No love for dedicated devices anymore, huh?
I love using a dedicated GPS unit, for multiple reasons. 1, it's just easier having a separate device so you don't have to worry about your phone spouting instructions off while you're in the gas station relieving yourself. 2, they have far better support for saving destinations, setting up routes with multiple stop points, etc, at least IME. 3, (this is the big one for me) some phones don't even have GPS units inside, they use cell towers to get your location - good luck navigating with your iPhone if you don't have cell service... :rolleyes: learned that one the hard way.
Anyway, I also need my numpad...how do the kids enter data these days without a numpad? :confused:
Numpad is the cd rom drive of the keyboard
The feature I miss from my GPS unit is that it showed the speed limit where ever I was. It died, my phone works well enough as a GPS so I never replaced the GPS unit, but now I have to look for speed limit road signs like a cave man.
Numpad is the cd rom drive of the keyboard
I agree - I can't imagine having a computer without an optical drive just as much as I can't imagine having a keyboard without a numpad
yeah, I know that's not what you meant
TKLs are overrated.
TKLs are overrated.
60% is ****.
TKLs are overrated.
60% is ****.
Good thing I'm not much of a 60% fan either. :P
TKLs are overrated.
TKLs are overrated.
60% is ****.
Good thing I'm not much of a 60% fan either. :P
Psh, I use an octo-layer numpad as my daily driver. Full-size, TKLs, and 60% boards are all too mainstream for me.
TKLs are overrated.
The vast majority of the time I use my computer for internet browsing, and I enjoy navigating websites and forums with the nav cluster. I hardly ever have to type in more numbers than just my credit card information, so a dedicated numpad for just that purpose seems ridiculously unnecessary. I would think that most casual users use their computer in a similar way, and thus would also feel that the nav cluster in a TKL board is one of the more used sections of a keyboard when not 'typing'. Ive never owned a 60% board, and even with typing alone, I use the delete key enough to basically require it to be on a primary layer. A full size keyboard takes up a lot of space just for a numpad that I seldom use, if at all since even when im entering numbers into spreadsheets (which is rare), I tend to just use the number row. Redundant keys for infrequent tasks just seems like a waste of space. Of course, this would be different if the num pad was on the left side of the keyboard, but this is almost never the case. So for casual home-use boards, I would say that the TKL design is the best compromise between space and usability without wanting to adapt to a 60% setup with layers and such. It is the best board size for retaining the functionality of a full size board without redundant keys, therefore it is no mystery to me why it is the most popular among users.
I miss this thread, so I'm bringing it back.
I actually prefer the feeling of OG ABS sets to the OG dyesub PBT ones. Sue me.
Is it unpopular to love 75% layouts while not liking 65% layouts?
Is it unpopular to love 75% layouts while not liking 65% layouts?
Speaking of this... I think we're on good enough terms for me to finally say this...
75% is the ugliest layout.
(http://images.thehollywoodgossip.com/iu/s--h-rB18CM--/t_full/f_auto,fl_lossy,q_75/v1387464848/taylor-swift-pathetic.gif)Is it unpopular to love 75% layouts while not liking 65% layouts?
Speaking of this... I think we're on good enough terms for me to finally say this...
75% is the ugliest layout.
:'(
It's okay.
No, but seriously. >:D
Is it unpopular to love 75% layouts while not liking 65% layouts?
Speaking of this... I think we're on good enough terms for me to finally say this...
75% is the ugliest layout.
:'(
It's okay.
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Is it unpopular to love 75% layouts while not liking 65% layouts?
Speaking of this... I think we're on good enough terms for me to finally say this...
75% is the ugliest layout.
Is it unpopular to love 75% layouts while not liking 65% layouts?
Speaking of this... I think we're on good enough terms for me to finally say this...
75% is the ugliest layout.
75% is not for me. In addition to looking bad like you've said, I had to always look down to press any keys outside of the standard 60% area. On a TKL you can feel your way around, but not so in a 75%. Not worth saving 10 square inches of desk space over, if you ask me. ;)
the 2 Korean Custom keyboards I have used, the anodizing was really badly done...
Once I got a Digilog case, it really put in perspective that my previous Korean customs just where sub par.
the 2 Korean Custom keyboards I have used, the anodizing was really badly done...
Once I got a Digilog case, it really put in perspective that my previous Korean customs just where sub par.
Sandwich style cases, especially with steel, looks awful. Basically anything with visible screws look bad but the JD40 style plate sandwiches look hideous.
ergo clear feel weird
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ergo clear feel weird
regular ergo clears feel weird
lubed 62g vintage ergo clears feel amazing. ^-^
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brb need some eye bleach after seeing this picture
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brb need some eye bleach after seeing this picture
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Is it unpopular to love 75% layouts while not liking 65% layouts?
Speaking of this... I think we're on good enough terms for me to finally say this...
75% is the ugliest layout.
75% is not for me. In addition to looking bad like you've said, I had to always look down to press any keys outside of the standard 60% area. On a TKL you can feel your way around, but not so in a 75%. Not worth saving 10 square inches of desk space over, if you ask me. ;)
I'm not a fan of DCS profile keys and prefer DSA - feels unpopular on GH at least.
I'm not a fan of DCS profile keys and prefer DSA - feels unpopular on GH at least.
Don't worry, both of them suck.
Cherry is the only way.
I'm not a fan of DCS profile keys and prefer DSA - feels unpopular on GH at least.Not even dsa, SA is the real way to go
I'm not a fan of DCS profile keys and prefer DSA - feels unpopular on GH at least.
Don't worry, both of them suck.
Cherry is the only way.
I'm not a fan of DCS profile keys and prefer DSA - feels unpopular on GH at least.Not even dsa, SA is the real way to go
DCS has similar shape than Cherry but it is pretty thin so it does feel hallow while Cherry is thick and feels substantial. OEM is taller and most of the caps I have tried are very thin; in conclusion, both suck.
DCS has similar shape than Cherry but it is pretty thin so it does feel hallow while Cherry is thick and feels substantial. OEM is taller and most of the caps I have tried are very thin; in conclusion, both suck.
The only reason I'm okay with DCS for the time being is that it's one of our only options for custom Alps caps right now. Before getting into Alps, I used to despise the look of DCS because of its rounded corners.
Admittedly, it's grown on me as a result of my fascination with Alps. Thin caps are definitely not that great aside from when used on clicky switches.
I like Big-Ass-Enter Layout, but it's hard to find keycaps :(
DCS has similar shape than Cherry but it is pretty thin so it does feel hallow while Cherry is thick and feels substantial. OEM is taller and most of the caps I have tried are very thin; in conclusion, both suck.
The only reason I'm okay with DCS for the time being is that it's one of our only options for custom Alps caps right now. Before getting into Alps, I used to despise the look of DCS because of its rounded corners.
Admittedly, it's grown on me as a result of my fascination with Alps. Thin caps are definitely not that great aside from when used on clicky switches.
I understand you very well; because, in my early days into keyboards I preferred ALPS, but I was very frustrated with the lack of quality caps for my board, a TKL, I felt even more frustrated by looking at pictures of sixty boards with key-caps that have bold legends and very nice shape - The OG Cherry sets - I found as well that Cherry switches came in all sort of tactile and linear stems and with different spring modules. I solved part of my frustration getting a Focus 2001 and swapping its nice key caps to my TKL, I found then the final reason to get away from ALPS, stabilizers were not standard, so I cannot swap the modifiers between boards, I sold all my ALPS and move to Cherry, later to programmable and custom based PCBs and I cannot be more happy now, using an OG Cherry set on my custom programmable board with my choice of stems and springs and even the tops are my selected clear type, - that set was the first "expensive" set that I bought and it was under fifty dollars, lol -
I like Big-Ass-Enter Layout, but it's hard to find keycaps :(
it's because some of the variants of big-ass-enter stabilizer, making hard to press when hit the upper side.I like Big-Ass-Enter Layout, but it's hard to find keycaps :(
I like how the big ass enter looks, but it is harder to use than ANSI enter, besides there is very few ANSI OG Cherry sets with an ISO enter, the closest being the UK based ones.
b...but i like 1u backspace too :(I like Big-Ass-Enter Layout, but it's hard to find keycaps :(
It doesn't look too bad; it would be fine if not for that 1u backspace that I constantly miss-hit (usually miss entirely :p).
Backlighting a keyboard makes as much sense as embedding LEDs in your car's steering wheel.
Backlighting a keyboard makes as much sense as embedding LEDs in your car's steering wheel.
Backlighting a keyboard makes as much sense as embedding LEDs in your car's steering wheel.
Backlighting a keyboard makes as much sense as embedding LEDs in your car's steering wheel.
I think it would be more like having them on the car's dashboard
Backlighting a keyboard makes as much sense as embedding LEDs in your car's steering wheel.
I think it would be more like having them on the car's dashboard
THIS. This is an amazing analogy.
Backlighting a keyboard makes as much sense as embedding LEDs in your car's steering wheel.
I think this is not an unpopular opinion at all, it is just happens that people that own keyboards with LEDs tend to post pictures of them more and people are more vocal in praising these kind of setups.
I think it would be more like having them on the car's dashboard
I like backlighting! But I also like boards that aren't backlit! Universal love!
And, oddly enough, every car dashboard has backlighting... ;)
Here's an interesting opinion that isn't just related to keyboards: I love coiled cables for keyboards. I hate coiled cables on headphones. When I first got into the keyboard scene, I thought I would've felt the same way coming out of the headphone scene, but nope, only the exact opposite!
Here's an interesting opinion that isn't just related to keyboards: I love coiled cables for keyboards. I hate coiled cables on headphones. When I first got into the keyboard scene, I thought I would've felt the same way coming out of the headphone scene, but nope, only the exact opposite!
I think there's an inherent difference between the two to begin with. Keyboard cables don't really sit anywhere near you, and headphone cables are usually draped along your body, where a coil can be very annoying.
Unless you just don't like how it looks on headphones.
i have the curvyness of dsa sa keycaps (havent used them yet, and some of their styles are damn nice tho)
i have the curvyness of dsa sa keycaps (havent used them yet, and some of their styles are damn nice tho)
I didn't like them until I tried them and promptly fell in love with SA
As much as I like carbon its pretty much a ripoff of Hack'd by Geeks
i have the curvyness of dsa sa keycaps (havent used them yet, and some of their styles are damn nice tho)
I didn't like them until I tried them and promptly fell in love with SA
Really, man I am afraid of the hit and miss. I could see me hating them, but then again I have no idea. Is your type speed affected?
i have the curvyness of dsa sa keycaps (havent used them yet, and some of their styles are damn nice tho)
I didn't like them until I tried them and promptly fell in love with SA
Really, man I am afraid of the hit and miss. I could see me hating them, but then again I have no idea. Is your type speed affected?
I've hit several of my peak speeds using sculpted SA - I don't use them anymore because cherry profile is really my favourite (both feels wise and aesthetically)
If you want I'd be happy to send you down a set for you to try out
i have the curvyness of dsa sa keycaps (havent used them yet, and some of their styles are damn nice tho)
I didn't like them until I tried them and promptly fell in love with SA
Really, man I am afraid of the hit and miss. I could see me hating them, but then again I have no idea. Is your type speed affected?
I've hit several of my peak speeds using sculpted SA - I don't use them anymore because cherry profile is really my favourite (both feels wise and aesthetically)
If you want I'd be happy to send you down a set for you to try out
i have the curvyness of dsa sa keycaps (havent used them yet, and some of their styles are damn nice tho)
I didn't like them until I tried them and promptly fell in love with SA
Really, man I am afraid of the hit and miss. I could see me hating them, but then again I have no idea. Is your type speed affected?
I've hit several of my peak speeds using sculpted SA - I don't use them anymore because cherry profile is really my favourite (both feels wise and aesthetically)
If you want I'd be happy to send you down a set for you to try out
I'm starting to feel myself lean away from my Octagon with SA these days. The monster 11 degree incline + SA profile caps have never really bothered me, but after typing on the Hammer case with a 7-8 degree incline and Alps profile caps, I'm finding that I prefer that a bit over the Octagon with SA.
It might be this stupid RSI on my right thumb that is still healing (I hope) that makes it more annoying to type on the Octagon, I dunno!
i have the curvyness of dsa sa keycaps (havent used them yet, and some of their styles are damn nice tho)
I didn't like them until I tried them and promptly fell in love with SA
Really, man I am afraid of the hit and miss. I could see me hating them, but then again I have no idea. Is your type speed affected?
I've hit several of my peak speeds using sculpted SA - I don't use them anymore because cherry profile is really my favourite (both feels wise and aesthetically)
If you want I'd be happy to send you down a set for you to try out
I'm starting to feel myself lean away from my Octagon with SA these days. The monster 11 degree incline + SA profile caps have never really bothered me, but after typing on the Hammer case with a 7-8 degree incline and Alps profile caps, I'm finding that I prefer that a bit over the Octagon with SA.
It might be this stupid RSI on my right thumb that is still healing (I hope) that makes it more annoying to type on the Octagon, I dunno!
Try some Cherry profile keys on your Octagon and use some support under its front to lowered its angle to check if the inclination and the profile of the caps are causing you the RSI. In my experience zero inclination makes the best for typing and for ergonomics.
Yeah I don't think SA works too well when you've already got such a steep angle
You may even try negative angles, these may be one the best known unpopular keyboard opinions; but, negative angles are actually better for ergonomics. I healed myself from an incipient RSI just by tilting my keyboard front up.
You may even try negative angles, these may be one the best known unpopular keyboard opinions; but, negative angles are actually better for ergonomics. I healed myself from an incipient RSI just by tilting my keyboard front up.
You may even try negative angles, these may be one the best known unpopular keyboard opinions; but, negative angles are actually better for ergonomics. I healed myself from an incipient RSI just by tilting my keyboard front up.
Glad to hear you are no longer suffering from RSI man, it's a *****, I haven't dealt with it myself but I've had similar aches related to restricted movement, no fun.
You may even try negative angles, these may be one the best known unpopular keyboard opinions; but, negative angles are actually better for ergonomics. I healed myself from an incipient RSI just by tilting my keyboard front up.
Glad to hear you are no longer suffering from RSI man, it's a *****, I haven't dealt with it myself but I've had similar aches related to restricted movement, no fun.
It is a pain in the ass, or thumb rather. Ugh, once it heals, I'm never going to be so careless again. :-X
It is a pain in the ass, or thumb rather. Ugh, once it heals, I'm never going to be so careless again. :-XRSI sucks! I hope you heal soon. May want to stop using your thumb completely for a while. I got a splint for my entire forearm from cvs the last time I had an RSI and kept it on 24x7 for about 3 days and it helped the healing tremendously, but mine was literally in my wrist.
It is a pain in the ass, or thumb rather. Ugh, once it heals, I'm never going to be so careless again. :-XRSI sucks! I hope you heal soon. May want to stop using your thumb completely for a while. I got a splint for my entire forearm from cvs the last time I had an RSI and kept it on 24x7 for about 3 days and it helped the healing tremendously, but mine was literally in my wrist.
Sounds like you're definitely on the right track! I wouldn't expect anything less from a GH'er--we seem to do the most in depth research on whatever topic is in front of us. :thumb:It is a pain in the ass, or thumb rather. Ugh, once it heals, I'm never going to be so careless again. :-XRSI sucks! I hope you heal soon. May want to stop using your thumb completely for a while. I got a splint for my entire forearm from cvs the last time I had an RSI and kept it on 24x7 for about 3 days and it helped the healing tremendously, but mine was literally in my wrist.
Thanks! I do my best to resist my muscle memory and use the space bar with my left thumb as opposed to my right. I have used a brace for my thumb and just recently given some deep tissue massages to my thumb, as funky as that sounds--that helped immensely. It feels like it's healed quite a bit already. I tend to use a heating pad every night in bed to help soothe it. I looked up a few tips for healing RSI, and by far, the "doorway stretches," pretty much just stretching your arms out in a T-shape with fingers spread wide. You can feel the tingle in your fingers. That and the massage have really helped a crazy amount, more than the heat or brace have, imo.
I definitely want to beat this dumb RSI. I've heard of horror stories, so I'm doing my best to treat it!
why is there Discourse in a thread made exclusively for unpopular keyboard opinions? like, you're not going to convince someone to actually like SA profile when they say they dislike it (etc.)
why is there Discourse in a thread made exclusively for unpopular keyboard opinions? like, you're not going to convince someone to actually like SA profile when they say they dislike it (etc.)
Because the internet?
If you can't type more than 110-120 WPM in your native language you shouldn't talk about typing speeds on different keyboards/switches.
If you can't type more than 110-120 WPM in your native language you shouldn't talk about typing speeds on different keyboards/switches.
What do you mean by that? 110-120 WPM is extremely fast.
If you can't type more than 110-120 WPM in your native language you shouldn't talk about typing speeds on different keyboards/switches.
If you can't type more than 110-120 WPM in your native language you shouldn't talk about typing speeds on different keyboards/switches.
What do you mean by that? 110-120 WPM is extremely fast.
If you're slower than that it's not your keyboard slowing you down but you yourself.
As a native german speaker I can still get 100-120 WPM (depending on the texts, if they use words I barely use/know I make more mistakes) on typeracer (English texts).
No matter what keyboard I use.
If you can't type more than 110-120 WPM in your native language you shouldn't talk about typing speeds on different keyboards/switches.
I agree with that to some extent. I don't think my keyboard makes me type faster, that's definitely a me problem, but it does make typing more ergonomic, which allows me to type faster for longer.
A feel the same way about gaming, however, where people claim that the right keyboard improves their gaming. You have to be goddamn good at a game and have pretty ****ing fast reaction times to have your peripherals make a difference.
If you can't type more than 110-120 WPM in your native language you shouldn't talk about typing speeds on different keyboards/switches.
What do you mean by that? 110-120 WPM is extremely fast.
If you're slower than that it's not your keyboard slowing you down but you yourself.
As a native german speaker I can still get 100-120 WPM (depending on the texts, if they use words I barely use/know I make more mistakes) on typeracer (English texts).
No matter what keyboard I use.
If you can't type more than 110-120 WPM in your native language you shouldn't talk about typing speeds on different keyboards/switches.
I agree with that to some extent. I don't think my keyboard makes me type faster, that's definitely a me problem, but it does make typing more ergonomic, which allows me to type faster for longer.
A feel the same way about gaming, however, where people claim that the right keyboard improves their gaming. You have to be goddamn good at a game and have pretty ****ing fast reaction times to have your peripherals make a difference.
Makes a difference in my gaming :\ typing too.
If you can't type more than 110-120 WPM in your native language you shouldn't talk about typing speeds on different keyboards/switches.
I agree with that to some extent. I don't think my keyboard makes me type faster, that's definitely a me problem, but it does make typing more ergonomic, which allows me to type faster for longer.
A feel the same way about gaming, however, where people claim that the right keyboard improves their gaming. You have to be goddamn good at a game and have pretty ****ing fast reaction times to have your peripherals make a difference.
Makes a difference in my gaming :\ typing too.
Well typing that's obvious because you type fast a ****. I guess perhaps it can make a difference gaming, but there are certainly other much more effective ways to improve your gaming than a keyboard. I don't think it makes the difference between winning and losing.
The difference is minor and ~100wpm should always be possible.
Of course it can be more comfortable to type on certain switches, but that doesn't make a major difference in short WPM tests.
For example, on black switches my fingers actually hurt after long gaming/typing sessions (~8 hours). I type the fastest/most error free on blue switches, but I don't suddenly type 20 WPM faster/slower on a different switch.
I play games a ton, I used to play Dota 2 competitive and ****ting up CS:GO as a global now, a keyboard makes literally no difference in gaming. Only switch I never liked were black ones, as I mentioned already, my fingers just started to hurt after long gaming sessions
lol linkbane v2?
Backlighting a keyboard makes as much sense as embedding LEDs in your car's steering wheel.
I think it would be more like having them on the car's dashboard
THIS. This is an amazing analogy.
And, oddly enough, every car dashboard has backlighting... ;)
Backlighting a keyboard makes as much sense as embedding LEDs in your car's steering wheel.
I think it would be more like having them on the car's dashboard
THIS. This is an amazing analogy.
And, oddly enough, every car dashboard has backlighting... ;)
There's no room for your common sense around here. :p
Backlighting a keyboard makes as much sense as embedding LEDs in your car's steering wheel.
I think it would be more like having them on the car's dashboard
THIS. This is an amazing analogy.
And, oddly enough, every car dashboard has backlighting... ;)
There's no room for your common sense around here. :p
In particular on pricing of keyboard stuff, for Topre keyboards for example.
Backlighting a keyboard makes as much sense as embedding LEDs in your car's steering wheel.
I think it would be more like having them on the car's dashboard
THIS. This is an amazing analogy.
And, oddly enough, every car dashboard has backlighting... ;)
There's no room for your common sense around here. :p
In particular on pricing of keyboard stuff, for Topre keyboards for example.
I understand a brand name and build quality can go a long way with keyboards, but Topre seems unreasonably expensive to me.
Backlighting a keyboard makes as much sense as embedding LEDs in your car's steering wheel.
I think it would be more like having them on the car's dashboard
THIS. This is an amazing analogy.
And, oddly enough, every car dashboard has backlighting... ;)
There's no room for your common sense around here. :p
In particular on pricing of keyboard stuff, for Topre keyboards for example.
I understand a brand name and build quality can go a long way with keyboards, but Topre seems unreasonably expensive to me.
Do you think it's because they've cornered the market or the actual cost of the technology?
Backlighting a keyboard makes as much sense as embedding LEDs in your car's steering wheel.
I think it would be more like having them on the car's dashboard
THIS. This is an amazing analogy.
And, oddly enough, every car dashboard has backlighting... ;)
There's no room for your common sense around here. :p
In particular on pricing of keyboard stuff, for Topre keyboards for example.
I understand a brand name and build quality can go a long way with keyboards, but Topre seems unreasonably expensive to me.
Do you think it's because they've cornered the market or the actual cost of the technology?
Technology: Rubber domes with springs? How expensive are they?
Backlighting a keyboard makes as much sense as embedding LEDs in your car's steering wheel.
I think it would be more like having them on the car's dashboard
THIS. This is an amazing analogy.
And, oddly enough, every car dashboard has backlighting... ;)
There's no room for your common sense around here. :p
In particular on pricing of keyboard stuff, for Topre keyboards for example.
I understand a brand name and build quality can go a long way with keyboards, but Topre seems unreasonably expensive to me.
Do you think it's because they've cornered the market or the actual cost of the technology?
Technology: Rubber domes with springs? How expensive are they?
:facepalm: Not sure if you're joking or not, but the whole capacitive sensing thing isn't exactly trivial.
MoreBacklighting a keyboard makes as much sense as embedding LEDs in your car's steering wheel.
I think it would be more like having them on the car's dashboard
THIS. This is an amazing analogy.
And, oddly enough, every car dashboard has backlighting... ;)
There's no room for your common sense around here. :p
In particular on pricing of keyboard stuff, for Topre keyboards for example.
I understand a brand name and build quality can go a long way with keyboards, but Topre seems unreasonably expensive to me.
Do you think it's because they've cornered the market or the actual cost of the technology?
Technology: Rubber domes with springs? How expensive are they?
:facepalm: Not sure if you're joking or not, but the whole capacitive sensing thing isn't exactly trivial.
How did we get from keyboard lighting to Topre pricing?Show Image(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v382/tessieroo/Gifs/Confused_cat_gif.gif)
I can tell the difference between original cherry keycaps and modern GMK...and...I prefer original cherry a lot more :(
I guess that might not be an unpopular opinion, but it certainly limits my options for colors. :p
Backlighting a keyboard makes as much sense as embedding LEDs in your car's steering wheel.
I think it would be more like having them on the car's dashboard
THIS. This is an amazing analogy.
And, oddly enough, every car dashboard has backlighting... ;)
There's no room for your common sense around here. :p
In particular on pricing of keyboard stuff, for Topre keyboards for example.
I understand a brand name and build quality can go a long way with keyboards, but Topre seems unreasonably expensive to me.
Do you think it's because they've cornered the market or the actual cost of the technology?
Technology: Rubber domes with springs? How expensive are they?
:facepalm: Not sure if you're joking or not, but the whole capacitive sensing thing isn't exactly trivial.
Technology: Rubber domes with springs? How expensive are they?
:facepalm: Not sure if you're joking or not, but the whole capacitive sensing thing isn't exactly trivial.
Isn't the technology associated with it like 20-25 years old though?
Technology: Rubber domes with springs? How expensive are they?
:facepalm: Not sure if you're joking or not, but the whole capacitive sensing thing isn't exactly trivial.
Isn't the technology associated with it like 20-25 years old though?
It depends what technology you refer to. Capacitive sensing surely has been around for awhile, but I'd imagine that there's some algorithms and coding necessary to make the keyboard operate smoothly (as opposed to the relatively simple anti-bounce that regular switches require) - this is something they will expect to be paid back for. Also, if Topre manufactures to tighter tolerances than other manufacturers, one would expect them to charge for that as well. I obviously have no clue how they figure their pricing, I'm just listing possible options for high prices on Topre boards. :P
The age of a technology doesn't always equate to the technology being much cheaper to produce as it ages. Some technologies require higher amounts of precision. The more precision that's required, the more expensive it is to produce, even if the technology is 50 years old.
Now, I have no idea if a Topre PCB is more expensive to produce than a discrete switch PCB, but since Topre is made in Japan, and most keyboard PCBs are made in China, that's a factor as well.
I honestly can't think of a single thing tech related that has stayed steady in pricing.
I can tell the difference between original cherry keycaps and modern GMK...and...I prefer original cherry a lot more :(
I guess that might not be an unpopular opinion, but it certainly limits my options for colors. :p
I have the same preference, and the wide open choices of beige and black key caps. But now with some upcoming modifiers sets ans single keys it may get a bit better.
What exactly do you feel different?
I can tell the difference between original cherry keycaps and modern GMK...and...I prefer original cherry a lot more :(
I guess that might not be an unpopular opinion, but it certainly limits my options for colors. :p
I have the same preference, and the wide open choices of beige and black key caps. But now with some upcoming modifiers sets ans single keys it may get a bit better.
What exactly do you feel different?
For reference, compare to CMYW and a red esc; I can tell the thickness of both caps apart, OG is more consistent throughout, where GMK is a bit sharp on the edges; the texture on GMK is rougher than my og dolch set, the pitch is just a touch higher when the sound resonates from the upstroke, all in all its very little things. Long live original beige!
I honestly can't think of a single thing tech related that has stayed steady in pricing.
Ever bought a TI calculator? :))
It's not a good idea for school/ test taking use, but wabbit emu is a thing for android phones (not sure about iOS), and it's free with ads or I think $4 for the ad free version.I honestly can't think of a single thing tech related that has stayed steady in pricing.
Ever bought a TI calculator? :))
I was so mad when I found out I had to spend $125 of the money I had saved up over the summer on a damn calculator. I had almost enough for the Autococker I had my eyes on and that set me back months, but being able to download and play games on the calculator made the pain a little easier.
But I wonder why they can charge almost the same price for something so outdated? I'm assuming they probably hold a massive chunk of the graphing calculator market so that probably is a big part of it.
It's not a good idea for school/ test taking use, but wabbit emu is a thing for android phones (not sure about iOS), and it's free with ads or I think $4 for the ad free version.I honestly can't think of a single thing tech related that has stayed steady in pricing.
Ever bought a TI calculator? :))
I was so mad when I found out I had to spend $125 of the money I had saved up over the summer on a damn calculator. I had almost enough for the Autococker I had my eyes on and that set me back months, but being able to download and play games on the calculator made the pain a little easier.
But I wonder why they can charge almost the same price for something so outdated? I'm assuming they probably hold a massive chunk of the graphing calculator market so that probably is a big part of it.
I still prefer a physical calculator, but it is pretty cool :P
My physics and math teacher allow it in class, just not during tests. I only use it when I forgot my calculator/I just don't want to get it out because lazy :P It's a pretty nice thing to have, since it exactly emulates a TI 84, which most people are used to using.It's not a good idea for school/ test taking use, but wabbit emu is a thing for android phones (not sure about iOS), and it's free with ads or I think $4 for the ad free version.I honestly can't think of a single thing tech related that has stayed steady in pricing.
Ever bought a TI calculator? :))
I was so mad when I found out I had to spend $125 of the money I had saved up over the summer on a damn calculator. I had almost enough for the Autococker I had my eyes on and that set me back months, but being able to download and play games on the calculator made the pain a little easier.
But I wonder why they can charge almost the same price for something so outdated? I'm assuming they probably hold a massive chunk of the graphing calculator market so that probably is a big part of it.
I still prefer a physical calculator, but it is pretty cool :P
I was wondering if there was a phone app that can do most of the stuff that a graphing calculator can. Do a lot of schools allow phones in class and/or during tests?
unpopular calculator opinions
unpopular calculator opinions
Apparently you can buy a keyboard to attach to the calculator on Amazon for $10.
http://www.amazon.com/Texas-Instruments-Keyboard-Graphing-Calculators/dp/B00007K7JE (http://www.amazon.com/Texas-Instruments-Keyboard-Graphing-Calculators/dp/B00007K7JE)
unpopular calculator opinions
Apparently you can buy a keyboard to attach to the calculator on Amazon for $10.
http://www.amazon.com/Texas-Instruments-Keyboard-Graphing-Calculators/dp/B00007K7JE (http://www.amazon.com/Texas-Instruments-Keyboard-Graphing-Calculators/dp/B00007K7JE)
I was an HP calculator's collector for years. Is that unpopular?
I was an HP calculator's collector for years. Is that unpopular?
The only other person I know that has an HP calculator is my dad. I would say "yes", it's unpopular. I'm sorry to break this news to you. :(
Artisan keycaps are a danger for fingertips, reduce typing speed and negate the benefits of mechanical switches. Artisan keycaps are the cause of expensive keyboards mistakenly being given to toddlers as toys. Artisan keycaps subvert the parameters of craft art in that the role of the viewer is to impose meaning whereas function is relegated to the nether regions of the average.
As a somewhat rebellious teen I myself had a novelty escape key which featured the likeness of Al Gore. It was a complete disaster. I could never get any work done as co-students were constantly pressing my escape key and exclaiming "I just invented the internet." I would express frustration and despair but they would counter "That's an inconvenient truth!"
Also, someone please make a novellty Caps Lock key that is solid underneath and can't be pressed down. I know it would be symbolic of modern unions in the workplace but I digress in the interest of not smothering my humourous suggestion.
Artisan keycaps are a danger for fingertips, reduce typing speed and negate the benefits of mechanical switches. Artisan keycaps are the cause of expensive keyboards mistakenly being given to toddlers as toys. Artisan keycaps subvert the parameters of craft art in that the role of the viewer is to impose meaning whereas function is relegated to the nether regions of the average.
As a somewhat rebellious teen I myself had a novelty escape key which featured the likeness of Al Gore. It was a complete disaster. I could never get any work done as co-students were constantly pressing my escape key and exclaiming "I just invented the internet." I would express frustration and despair but they would counter "That's an inconvenient truth!"
Also, someone please make a novellty Caps Lock key that is solid underneath and can't be pressed down. I know it would be symbolic of modern unions in the workplace but I digress in the interest of not smothering my humourous suggestion.
Well done
Artisan keycaps are a danger for fingertips, reduce typing speed and negate the benefits of mechanical switches. Artisan keycaps are the cause of expensive keyboards mistakenly being given to toddlers as toys. Artisan keycaps subvert the parameters of craft art in that the role of the viewer is to impose meaning whereas function is relegated to the nether regions of the average.
As a somewhat rebellious teen I myself had a novelty escape key which featured the likeness of Al Gore. It was a complete disaster. I could never get any work done as co-students were constantly pressing my escape key and exclaiming "I just invented the internet." I would express frustration and despair but they would counter "That's an inconvenient truth!"
Also, someone please make a novellty Caps Lock key that is solid underneath and can't be pressed down. I know it would be symbolic of modern unions in the workplace but I digress in the interest of not smothering my humourous suggestion.
Well done
Mr. Furley is all-knowing.
Artisan keycaps are a danger for fingertips, reduce typing speed and negate the benefits of mechanical switches. Artisan keycaps are the cause of expensive keyboards mistakenly being given to toddlers as toys. Artisan keycaps subvert the parameters of craft art in that the role of the viewer is to impose meaning whereas function is relegated to the nether regions of the average.
As a somewhat rebellious teen I myself had a novelty escape key which featured the likeness of Al Gore. It was a complete disaster. I could never get any work done as co-students were constantly pressing my escape key and exclaiming "I just invented the internet." I would express frustration and despair but they would counter "That's an inconvenient truth!"
Also, someone please make a novellty Caps Lock key that is solid underneath and can't be pressed down. I know it would be symbolic of modern unions in the workplace but I digress in the interest of not smothering my humourous suggestion.
Well done
Mr. Furley is all-knowing.
Talk about an unpopular opinion! I kid, I kid, Don Knotts for pres!
RIP
Artisan keycaps are a danger for fingertips, reduce typing speed and negate the benefits of mechanical switches. Artisan keycaps are the cause of expensive keyboards mistakenly being given to toddlers as toys. Artisan keycaps subvert the parameters of craft art in that the role of the viewer is to impose meaning whereas function is relegated to the nether regions of the average.
As a somewhat rebellious teen I myself had a novelty escape key which featured the likeness of Al Gore. It was a complete disaster. I could never get any work done as co-students were constantly pressing my escape key and exclaiming "I just invented the internet." I would express frustration and despair but they would counter "That's an inconvenient truth!"
Also, someone please make a novellty Caps Lock key that is solid underneath and can't be pressed down. I know it would be symbolic of modern unions in the workplace but I digress in the interest of not smothering my humourous suggestion.
Well done
Mr. Furley is all-knowing.
Talk about an unpopular opinion! I kid, I kid, Don Knotts for pres!
RIP
Who cares about artisan's, they are not actual key caps, they are just adorns, that happen to have a stem to fit on keyboards, overrated pieces of plastics, that some are as ugly as they can be. Whose prices have been artificially inflated in a fictitious economy that does not have anything to do with keyboard functionality.
Is this unpopular enough as opinion? LOL
unpopular calculator opinions
Apparently you can buy a keyboard to attach to the calculator on Amazon for $10.
http://www.amazon.com/Texas-Instruments-Keyboard-Graphing-Calculators/dp/B00007K7JE (http://www.amazon.com/Texas-Instruments-Keyboard-Graphing-Calculators/dp/B00007K7JE)
that's pretty cool actually.
The Miami colorway is hideous.
The Miami colorway is hideous.
The Miami colorway is hideous.
The Miami colorway is hideous.
Classic beige is the only colorway that should ever be on a keyboard.
Artisan keycaps are a danger for fingertips, reduce typing speed and negate the benefits of mechanical switches. Artisan keycaps are the cause of expensive keyboards mistakenly being given to toddlers as toys. Artisan keycaps subvert the parameters of craft art in that the role of the viewer is to impose meaning whereas function is relegated to the nether regions of the average.
As a somewhat rebellious teen I myself had a novelty escape key which featured the likeness of Al Gore. It was a complete disaster. I could never get any work done as co-students were constantly pressing my escape key and exclaiming "I just invented the internet." I would express frustration and despair but they would counter "That's an inconvenient truth!"
Also, someone please make a novellty Caps Lock key that is solid underneath and can't be pressed down. I know it would be symbolic of modern unions in the workplace but I digress in the interest of not smothering my humourous suggestion.
Well done
Mr. Furley is all-knowing.
Talk about an unpopular opinion! I kid, I kid, Don Knotts for pres!
RIP
Who cares about artisan's, they are not actual key caps, they are just adorns, that happen to have a stem to fit on keyboards, overrated pieces of plastics, that some are as ugly as they can be. Whose prices have been artificially inflated in a fictitious economy that does not have anything to do with keyboard functionality.
Is this unpopular enough as opinion? LOL
unpopular calculator opinions
Apparently you can buy a keyboard to attach to the calculator on Amazon for $10.
http://www.amazon.com/Texas-Instruments-Keyboard-Graphing-Calculators/dp/B00007K7JE (http://www.amazon.com/Texas-Instruments-Keyboard-Graphing-Calculators/dp/B00007K7JE)
That would have made writing code on the TI-84 a lot easier. :))
unpopular calculator opinions
Apparently you can buy a keyboard to attach to the calculator on Amazon for $10.
http://www.amazon.com/Texas-Instruments-Keyboard-Graphing-Calculators/dp/B00007K7JE (http://www.amazon.com/Texas-Instruments-Keyboard-Graphing-Calculators/dp/B00007K7JE)
That would have made writing code on the TI-84 a lot easier. :))
You mean that would have made playing vs. Bomberman to the kid next to you in class, easier. :p
It's funny, I have a friend who, in our calc class, plays Mario on his. The teacher knows, but loves to mess with him. The first time he could tell he said "You must be making some incredibly complicated calculations there, Tristan!" The entire class went hystericalunpopular calculator opinions
Apparently you can buy a keyboard to attach to the calculator on Amazon for $10.
http://www.amazon.com/Texas-Instruments-Keyboard-Graphing-Calculators/dp/B00007K7JE (http://www.amazon.com/Texas-Instruments-Keyboard-Graphing-Calculators/dp/B00007K7JE)
That would have made writing code on the TI-84 a lot easier. :))
You mean that would have made playing vs. Bomberman to the kid next to you in class, easier. :p
I always had Pokemon and Mario on mine, until the teacher found out and took my calculator and reset it. Jokes on her I went back home afterwards and downloaded it again.
The Miami colorway is hideous.
The Miami colorway is hideous.
The colorway or the keyset?
The Miami colorway is hideous.
The colorway or the keyset?
Pretty much the colorway itself. It reminds me of Grand Theft Auto and violent movies such as Casino or Goodfellas. Also, I'm just not into hot pink and electric blue lol.
The Miami colorway is hideous.
The colorway or the keyset?
Pretty much the colorway itself. It reminds me of Grand Theft Auto and violent movies such as Casino or Goodfellas. Also, I'm just not into hot pink and electric blue lol.
Cherry suck, Gateron good, Topre Best
thats my opinion
Cherry suck, Gateron good, Topre Best
thats my opinion
2.I don't really care for backlighting in keyboards
1.I like the razer letters on their keyboards
1.I like the razer letters on their keyboards
The keys ; and ' should be swapped on a standard layout, the ' is used so much more so I don't understand why it requires movement :confused: :confused:
The keys ; and ' should be swapped on a standard layout, the ' is used so much more so I don't understand why it requires movement :confused: :confused:
but then how will i show that im crying ;_;
he looks surprised ;-;
The keys ; and ' should be swapped on a standard layout, the ' is used so much more so I don't understand why it requires movement :confused: :confused:
The keys ; and ' should be swapped on a standard layout, the ' is used so much more so I don't understand why it requires movement ??? ???
Has anyone tried Topre and really thought that they sucked?Cherry suck, Gateron good, Topre Best
thats my opinion
That's a fairly popular opinion. The only cherry's I'll still type on are vintage blacks, other than that it's all gateron for me. Still like some stuff better than topre though.
Has anyone tried Topre and really thought that they sucked?Cherry suck, Gateron good, Topre Best
thats my opinion
That's a fairly popular opinion. The only cherry's I'll still type on are vintage blacks, other than that it's all gateron for me. Still like some stuff better than topre though.
Has anyone tried Topre and really thought that they sucked?Cherry suck, Gateron good, Topre Best
thats my opinion
That's a fairly popular opinion. The only cherry's I'll still type on are vintage blacks, other than that it's all gateron for me. Still like some stuff better than topre though.
Yup. Wasn't love at first sight for me either, buy now I can't live without it.Has anyone tried Topre and really thought that they sucked?Cherry suck, Gateron good, Topre Best
thats my opinion
That's a fairly popular opinion. The only cherry's I'll still type on are vintage blacks, other than that it's all gateron for me. Still like some stuff better than topre though.
I didn't like it at first, but it was a brief test at a meetup. I think I was mostly just unimpressed because it didn't feel like MX and I didn't like that at the time. Also the price tag. But after typing on topre for a week or two, it becomes addicting.
Interesting opinions on Topre. I'm wondering if I'd like it. I guess I'll have to find out at the next meetup. :thumb:
Interesting opinions on Topre. I'm wondering if I'd like it. I guess I'll have to find out at the next meetup. :thumb:
Coming from buckling springs, everything else already seems gritty and loose.Interesting opinions on Topre. I'm wondering if I'd like it. I guess I'll have to find out at the next meetup. :thumb:
The funny thing about Topre is you might not like it that much, but it can still manage to ruin Cherry MX switches for you and make them seem gritty and loose.
So then you'll just get a scissor switch and call it a day.
Interesting opinions on Topre. I'm wondering if I'd like it. I guess I'll have to find out at the next meetup. :thumb:
Yeah I'm kind of curious to give it ago myself, thinking of picking up an HHKB one of these times.
Interesting opinions on Topre. I'm wondering if I'd like it. I guess I'll have to find out at the next meetup. :thumb:
Yeah I'm kind of curious to give it ago myself, thinking of picking up an HHKB one of these times.
Personally, I prefer heavy switches so I'm not sure if I would like Topre. My favorites switches that I have used so far are MX Greens and BS, and if the heaviest switches Topre has available are 55g I don't know if they would feel heavy enough for me.
My initial thoughts on Topre were "damn, this is a really good rubber dome keyboard."
That's still basically my take on it now. I love using my FC660C.
Interesting opinions on Topre. I'm wondering if I'd like it. I guess I'll have to find out at the next meetup. :thumb:
Yeah I'm kind of curious to give it ago myself, thinking of picking up an HHKB one of these times.
Personally, I prefer heavy switches so I'm not sure if I would like Topre. My favorites switches that I have used so far are MX Greens and BS, and if the heaviest switches Topre has available are 55g I don't know if they would feel heavy enough for me.
Those are my two favorites as well. Yet, I still enjoy typing on my HHKB.
Interesting opinions on Topre. I'm wondering if I'd like it. I guess I'll have to find out at the next meetup. :thumb:
Yeah I'm kind of curious to give it ago myself, thinking of picking up an HHKB one of these times.
Personally, I prefer heavy switches so I'm not sure if I would like Topre. My favorites switches that I have used so far are MX Greens and BS, and if the heaviest switches Topre has available are 55g I don't know if they would feel heavy enough for me.
Those are my two favorites as well. Yet, I still enjoy typing on my HHKB.
Well, I'm sure I would enjoy typing on Topre regardless, but would I enjoy it as much as Greens or BS is what I wonder.
There's only one way to find out.[/url]At almost $300 for the one they have in stock that's full-size, that's just too steep. I can have three Ms for that much.
:cool:
cherry is terrible
cherry is terrible
topre is like touching literal ****
what a disgrace
Interesting opinions on Topre. I'm wondering if I'd like it. I guess I'll have to find out at the next meetup. :thumb:
Yeah I'm kind of curious to give it ago myself, thinking of picking up an HHKB one of these times.
Personally, I prefer heavy switches so I'm not sure if I would like Topre. My favorites switches that I have used so far are MX Greens and BS, and if the heaviest switches Topre has available are 55g I don't know if they would feel heavy enough for me.
Those are my two favorites as well. Yet, I still enjoy typing on my HHKB.
Well, I'm sure I would enjoy typing on Topre regardless, but would I enjoy it as much as Greens or BS is what I wonder.
There's only one way to find out. (http://elitekeyboards.com/products.php?sub=topre_keyboards,rftenkeyless&pid=rf_se08t0)
:cool:
I've tightened my keyboard allowance up until the tax refund comes, but I already have a deal in place with my wife that she gets a shopping "spree" for whatever the cost of the keyboard (and extras?) might be so I could get Topre but I would really want to test it first. Is there a Topre switch tester or would I be stuck getting the CM switch tester with the Novatouch switch on it?
Interesting opinions on Topre. I'm wondering if I'd like it. I guess I'll have to find out at the next meetup. :thumb:
Yeah I'm kind of curious to give it ago myself, thinking of picking up an HHKB one of these times.
Personally, I prefer heavy switches so I'm not sure if I would like Topre. My favorites switches that I have used so far are MX Greens and BS, and if the heaviest switches Topre has available are 55g I don't know if they would feel heavy enough for me.
Those are my two favorites as well. Yet, I still enjoy typing on my HHKB.
Well, I'm sure I would enjoy typing on Topre regardless, but would I enjoy it as much as Greens or BS is what I wonder.
There's only one way to find out. (http://elitekeyboards.com/products.php?sub=topre_keyboards,rftenkeyless&pid=rf_se08t0)
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I've tightened my keyboard allowance up until the tax refund comes, but I already have a deal in place with my wife that she gets a shopping "spree" for whatever the cost of the keyboard (and extras?) might be so I could get Topre but I would really want to test it first. Is there a Topre switch tester or would I be stuck getting the CM switch tester with the Novatouch switch on it?
Interesting opinions on Topre. I'm wondering if I'd like it. I guess I'll have to find out at the next meetup. :thumb:
Yeah I'm kind of curious to give it ago myself, thinking of picking up an HHKB one of these times.
Personally, I prefer heavy switches so I'm not sure if I would like Topre. My favorites switches that I have used so far are MX Greens and BS, and if the heaviest switches Topre has available are 55g I don't know if they would feel heavy enough for me.
Those are my two favorites as well. Yet, I still enjoy typing on my HHKB.
Well, I'm sure I would enjoy typing on Topre regardless, but would I enjoy it as much as Greens or BS is what I wonder.
There's only one way to find out. (http://elitekeyboards.com/products.php?sub=topre_keyboards,rftenkeyless&pid=rf_se08t0)
8)
I've tightened my keyboard allowance up until the tax refund comes, but I already have a deal in place with my wife that she gets a shopping "spree" for whatever the cost of the keyboard (and extras?) might be so I could get Topre but I would really want to test it first. Is there a Topre switch tester or would I be stuck getting the CM switch tester with the Novatouch switch on it?
This image if from page 94 in the "post your topre keyboard" thread, it may be something like a topre tester made of parts harvested from a dying keyboard. There is no logic in having a Topre switch tester because it does not have individual switches, but layers of components that work together as any other rubber dome keyboards. Have you heard of a rubber dome switch tester? I don't think so.Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/6C5IaZ0.png)
Interesting opinions on Topre. I'm wondering if I'd like it. I guess I'll have to find out at the next meetup. :thumb:
Yeah I'm kind of curious to give it ago myself, thinking of picking up an HHKB one of these times.
Personally, I prefer heavy switches so I'm not sure if I would like Topre. My favorites switches that I have used so far are MX Greens and BS, and if the heaviest switches Topre has available are 55g I don't know if they would feel heavy enough for me.
Those are my two favorites as well. Yet, I still enjoy typing on my HHKB.
Well, I'm sure I would enjoy typing on Topre regardless, but would I enjoy it as much as Greens or BS is what I wonder.
There's only one way to find out. (http://elitekeyboards.com/products.php?sub=topre_keyboards,rftenkeyless&pid=rf_se08t0)
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I've tightened my keyboard allowance up until the tax refund comes, but I already have a deal in place with my wife that she gets a shopping "spree" for whatever the cost of the keyboard (and extras?) might be so I could get Topre but I would really want to test it first. Is there a Topre switch tester or would I be stuck getting the CM switch tester with the Novatouch switch on it?
This image if from page 94 in the "post your topre keyboard" thread, it may be something like a topre tester made of parts harvested from a dying keyboard. There is no logic in having a Topre switch tester because it does not have individual switches, but layers of components that work together as any other rubber dome keyboards. Have you heard of a rubber dome switch tester? I don't think so.Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/6C5IaZ0.png)
Would the keychain tester solo linked prior to your post then not really feel like Topre? If so, I see no other way to try it than to try one that someone you know has or to just buy a Topre board, which I guess isn't TOO bad since you could probably turn around and sell the board for close to what you paid for it.
I remember a couple of traveling keyboards, one at GH and other at DT for those that want to try them, you should try to see if someone is doing so still. I have a good friend that lent me his board for a couple of months to try it, I decided that the HHKB is cute, with a nice sound but, otherwise, it is not for me.
Unpopular mechanical keyboard opinion, I guess.
I like the Rapoo KX--my first two mechs were these guys and I decked them out.
I like scissor switch laptop keyboards, a lot.
Unpopular mechanical keyboard opinion, I guess.
I like the Rapoo KX--my first two mechs were these guys and I decked them out.
I like scissor switch laptop keyboards, a lot.
I agree on the scissor switches. At least on a nice laptop keyboard like an older ThinkPad, I know there nothing alike feel wise but i almost like typing on my ThinkPad x100e as much as i do my Cherry blue board.
I'd say it is a matter of convenience, Thinkpad keyboards are good enough when you do not have a mechanical keyboard handy, but there is nothing that may be compared between them and any good mechanical one.
I'd say it is a matter of convenience, Thinkpad keyboards are good enough when you do not have a mechanical keyboard handy, but there is nothing that may be compared between them and any good mechanical one.
If by "good" you exclude any stock Cherry board, then yeah ;)
The main selection criteria for my laptops are the keyboards, which is why I always have older Thinkpads (pre-chicklet). I also have an external Thinkpad keyboard. I definitely prefer them over stock Cherry boards, there's something about MX that just smacks of a confluence of compromises.
I still use a Thinkpad X61T and most of the people that try it for the first time always compliment its keyboard, but not the trakpoint; in the other hand, I cannot compare the keyboard I use now with it, it is a humble ergo clears with a winkeyless layout and OG Cherry key caps, by no means I can compare it with my x61 keyboard, but I think it is a matter of personal preferences.
I still use a Thinkpad X61T and most of the people that try it for the first time always compliment its keyboard, but not the trakpoint; in the other hand, I cannot compare the keyboard I use now with it, it is a humble ergo clears with a winkeyless layout and OG Cherry key caps, by no means I can compare it with my x61 keyboard, but I think it is a matter of personal preferences.
Ha, that's funny, the other reason that I always end up with Thinkpads is because of the trackpoint! It's great not having to take fingers off the home row in order to make small pointer adjustments. The Tex is appealing for the same reason, only I also happen to like function keys.
IIRC some Dells have it (maybe discontinued) but they have the downside of being, well, Dells :)
I'd say it is a matter of convenience, Thinkpad keyboards are good enough when you do not have a mechanical keyboard handy, but there is nothing that may be compared between them and any good mechanical one.
If by "good" you exclude any stock Cherry board, then yeah ;)
The main selection criteria for my laptops are the keyboards, which is why I always have older Thinkpads (pre-chicklet). I also have an external Thinkpad keyboard. I definitely prefer them over stock Cherry boards, there's something about MX that just smacks of a confluence of compromises.
I still use a Thinkpad X61T and most of the people that try it for the first time always compliment its keyboard, but not the trakpoint; in the other hand, I cannot compare the keyboard I use now with it, it is a humble ergo clears with a winkeyless layout and OG Cherry key caps, by no means I can compare it with my x61 keyboard, but I think it is a matter of personal preferences.
I'd say it is a matter of convenience, Thinkpad keyboards are good enough when you do not have a mechanical keyboard handy, but there is nothing that may be compared between them and any good mechanical one.
If by "good" you exclude any stock Cherry board, then yeah ;)
The main selection criteria for my laptops are the keyboards, which is why I always have older Thinkpads (pre-chicklet). I also have an external Thinkpad keyboard. I definitely prefer them over stock Cherry boards, there's something about MX that just smacks of a confluence of compromises.
I still use a Thinkpad X61T and most of the people that try it for the first time always compliment its keyboard, but not the trakpoint; in the other hand, I cannot compare the keyboard I use now with it, it is a humble ergo clears with a winkeyless layout and OG Cherry key caps, by no means I can compare it with my x61 keyboard, but I think it is a matter of personal preferences.
The short amount of time i've had with stock clears i'm loving them, i'm putting them in a custom 60% and i'm debateing making them ergo clears now or getting used to them stock first. I'm using a plate where you can remove the switch tops so i could always do it later.
Most (98%) novelty keysets are just meh.True. For the most part, thats why I liked the hyperfuse set compared to most other sets.
As a community, it seems like we should be able to make way cooler ****. But I can't contribute anything so I shouldn't be talking.
I love the community around artisans, even if I don't really like any artisans themselves.
Conversely, I can't stand the over-the-top hype around artisans. Just chill. gotdam.
Linear is best switch
The name of this thread should be changed to 'I disagree with at least one person on this forum' opinions.
[WTB *insert specific artisan cap here*] threads should be not be allowed. The incessant bumping of classifieds threads is totally unacceptable. Like, is that really why you're here?
[WTB *insert specific artisan cap here*] threads should be not be allowed. The incessant bumping of classifieds threads is totally unacceptable. Like, is that really why you're here?
[WTB *insert specific artisan cap here*] threads should be not be allowed. The incessant bumping of classifieds threads is totally unacceptable. Like, is that really why you're here?
[WTB *insert specific artisan cap here*] threads should be not be allowed. The incessant bumping of classifieds threads is totally unacceptable. Like, is that really why you're here?
MechMarket on reddit has the same problem. It has gone from a decent place to find good keyboard deals to and endless barrage of "WTB BRO/CLACKS/ARTISANS," or people selling said artisans under a throwaway account for crazy prices, etc. Its just cluttered with 90% of the posts being about artisans, so I just quit checking it all together.
Most (98%) novelty keysets are just meh.True. For the most part, thats why I liked the hyperfuse set compared to most other sets.
As a community, it seems like we should be able to make way cooler ****. But I can't contribute anything so I shouldn't be talking.
I love the community around artisans, even if I don't really like any artisans themselves.
Conversely, I can't stand the over-the-top hype around artisans. Just chill. gotdam.
Linear is best switch
The name of this thread should be changed to 'I disagree with at least one person on this forum' opinions.
It doesnt use hospital/disinfected white. It uses a very light grey. It uses purple (my fave). It uses neon turqouise and grey for the mods.
It has enough color variety without being loud.
Most other sets stick with a full black color or full white color somewhere in the set when they could be taking more risks.
I want more double shot sets to have at least four different colors in the main part of the set. But, again sometimes too many colors can be bad, too.
I like the Troubled Minds set. That looks like it can be cool. It was only two colors but it mostly worked. If they introduced some orange, it would be a little better.
Most (98%) novelty keysets are just meh.True. For the most part, thats why I liked the hyperfuse set compared to most other sets.
As a community, it seems like we should be able to make way cooler ****. But I can't contribute anything so I shouldn't be talking.
I love the community around artisans, even if I don't really like any artisans themselves.
Conversely, I can't stand the over-the-top hype around artisans. Just chill. gotdam.
Linear is best switch
The name of this thread should be changed to 'I disagree with at least one person on this forum' opinions.
It doesnt use hospital/disinfected white. It uses a very light grey. It uses purple (my fave). It uses neon turqouise and grey for the mods.
It has enough color variety without being loud.
Most other sets stick with a full black color or full white color somewhere in the set when they could be taking more risks.
I want more double shot sets to have at least four different colors in the main part of the set. But, again sometimes too many colors can be bad, too.
I like the Troubled Minds set. That looks like it can be cool. It was only two colors but it mostly worked. If they introduced some orange, it would be a little better.
I do think the real challenge is being colorful without being garish. Especially since plastic just has the tendency to look cartoonish.
Legends are always so conservative too. I don't think that it would be possible to do anything really cool and be able to hit MOQ tho. The polarizing designs don't seem to do as well.
Most (98%) novelty keysets are just meh.True. For the most part, thats why I liked the hyperfuse set compared to most other sets.
As a community, it seems like we should be able to make way cooler ****. But I can't contribute anything so I shouldn't be talking.
I love the community around artisans, even if I don't really like any artisans themselves.
Conversely, I can't stand the over-the-top hype around artisans. Just chill. gotdam.
Linear is best switch
The name of this thread should be changed to 'I disagree with at least one person on this forum' opinions.
It doesnt use hospital/disinfected white. It uses a very light grey. It uses purple (my fave). It uses neon turqouise and grey for the mods.
It has enough color variety without being loud.
Most other sets stick with a full black color or full white color somewhere in the set when they could be taking more risks.
I want more double shot sets to have at least four different colors in the main part of the set. But, again sometimes too many colors can be bad, too.
I like the Troubled Minds set. That looks like it can be cool. It was only two colors but it mostly worked. If they introduced some orange, it would be a little better.
I do think the real challenge is being colorful without being garish. Especially since plastic just has the tendency to look cartoonish.
Legends are always so conservative too. I don't think that it would be possible to do anything really cool and be able to hit MOQ tho. The polarizing designs don't seem to do as well.
Am i the only one that didn't think Hyperfuse GMK really looked like the renders at all? Personally I wasn't a fan of how it came out. For me Penumbra was a that "simple, yet obviously custom" set that I really enjoyed. The different colors of the modifier legends just really helped make that set "pop" for me.
But, with the general concept of "simple is better" i tend to agree, at least for personal use. I had a HEAP of fun creating Jukebox, but still, my daily driver is a completely stock 87u with the silly "special edition" CTRL/ESC colored keys. My daily "travel driver" is a stock HHKB with just a splash of red with the stock black. I think there is a place for the crazy sets as well as the simple/classy sets like Classic Beige, etc.
Am i the only one that didn't think Hyperfuse GMK really looked like the renders at all? Personally I wasn't a fan of how it came out. For me Penumbra was a that "simple, yet obviously custom" set that I really enjoyed. The different colors of the modifier legends just really helped make that set "pop" for me.
But, with the general concept of "simple is better" i tend to agree, at least for personal use. I had a HEAP of fun creating Jukebox, but still, my daily driver is a completely stock 87u with the silly "special edition" CTRL/ESC colored keys. My daily "travel driver" is a stock HHKB with just a splash of red with the stock black. I think there is a place for the crazy sets as well as the simple/classy sets like Classic Beige, etc.
A boring Joe here that thinks classic beige and black would be on my boards always, maybe some granite color combinations and that's it for me. Not really into artisans or weird color combinations. It is a shame SNES seems doing that bad though.
Am i the only one that didn't think Hyperfuse GMK really looked like the renders at all? Personally I wasn't a fan of how it came out. For me Penumbra was a that "simple, yet obviously custom" set that I really enjoyed. The different colors of the modifier legends just really helped make that set "pop" for me.
But, with the general concept of "simple is better" i tend to agree, at least for personal use. I had a HEAP of fun creating Jukebox, but still, my daily driver is a completely stock 87u with the silly "special edition" CTRL/ESC colored keys. My daily "travel driver" is a stock HHKB with just a splash of red with the stock black. I think there is a place for the crazy sets as well as the simple/classy sets like Classic Beige, etc.
Am i the only one that didn't think Hyperfuse GMK really looked like the renders at all? Personally I wasn't a fan of how it came out. For me Penumbra was a that "simple, yet obviously custom" set that I really enjoyed. The different colors of the modifier legends just really helped make that set "pop" for me.
But, with the general concept of "simple is better" i tend to agree, at least for personal use. I had a HEAP of fun creating Jukebox, but still, my daily driver is a completely stock 87u with the silly "special edition" CTRL/ESC colored keys. My daily "travel driver" is a stock HHKB with just a splash of red with the stock black. I think there is a place for the crazy sets as well as the simple/classy sets like Classic Beige, etc.
This is one reason why Topre boards are so cool. You get a great looking board out of the box.
You really have to put work into a Cherry keyboard.
Am i the only one that didn't think Hyperfuse GMK really looked like the renders at all? Personally I wasn't a fan of how it came out. For me Penumbra was a that "simple, yet obviously custom" set that I really enjoyed. The different colors of the modifier legends just really helped make that set "pop" for me.
But, with the general concept of "simple is better" i tend to agree, at least for personal use. I had a HEAP of fun creating Jukebox, but still, my daily driver is a completely stock 87u with the silly "special edition" CTRL/ESC colored keys. My daily "travel driver" is a stock HHKB with just a splash of red with the stock black. I think there is a place for the crazy sets as well as the simple/classy sets like Classic Beige, etc.
This is one reason why Topre boards are so cool. You get a great looking board out of the box.
You really have to put work into a Cherry keyboard.
Oh yeah, RF 87u is the best keyboard out of the box, imo.
Am i the only one that didn't think Hyperfuse GMK really looked like the renders at all? Personally I wasn't a fan of how it came out. For me Penumbra was a that "simple, yet obviously custom" set that I really enjoyed. The different colors of the modifier legends just really helped make that set "pop" for me.
But, with the general concept of "simple is better" i tend to agree, at least for personal use. I had a HEAP of fun creating Jukebox, but still, my daily driver is a completely stock 87u with the silly "special edition" CTRL/ESC colored keys. My daily "travel driver" is a stock HHKB with just a splash of red with the stock black. I think there is a place for the crazy sets as well as the simple/classy sets like Classic Beige, etc.
This is one reason why Topre boards are so cool. You get a great looking board out of the box.
You really have to put work into a Cherry keyboard.
Oh yeah, RF 87u is the best keyboard out of the box, imo.
RF Legends are soooooooooooooooooo ugly tho.
Am i the only one that didn't think Hyperfuse GMK really looked like the renders at all? Personally I wasn't a fan of how it came out. For me Penumbra was a that "simple, yet obviously custom" set that I really enjoyed. The different colors of the modifier legends just really helped make that set "pop" for me.
Am i the only one that didn't think Hyperfuse GMK really looked like the renders at all? Personally I wasn't a fan of how it came out. For me Penumbra was a that "simple, yet obviously custom" set that I really enjoyed. The different colors of the modifier legends just really helped make that set "pop" for me.
I thought the original hyperfuse's colors looked much nicer
GMK caps look cool but feel like crap. Not sculpted enough.
Am i the only one that didn't think Hyperfuse GMK really looked like the renders at all? Personally I wasn't a fan of how it came out. For me Penumbra was a that "simple, yet obviously custom" set that I really enjoyed. The different colors of the modifier legends just really helped make that set "pop" for me.
I thought the original hyperfuse's colors looked much nicer
Totally agree. The GMK set just is really meh to me.
For referenceShow Image(http://i.imgur.com/3f7OmYu.jpg)Show Image(https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/-k4JAPvAjvTQ/Uw3z7uMKDsI/AAAAAAAAHOA/ZDxOLdFMKjA/s1600/DSC00506.jpg)
The GMK set just doesn't mesh like the DCS/DSA sets did. I think the GMK set is good as a mix n match set with other GMK sets though.
because no one takes ISO seriously :))Am i the only one that didn't think Hyperfuse GMK really looked like the renders at all? Personally I wasn't a fan of how it came out. For me Penumbra was a that "simple, yet obviously custom" set that I really enjoyed. The different colors of the modifier legends just really helped make that set "pop" for me.
I thought the original hyperfuse's colors looked much nicer
Totally agree. The GMK set just is really meh to me.
For referenceShow Image(http://i.imgur.com/3f7OmYu.jpg)Show Image(https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/-k4JAPvAjvTQ/Uw3z7uMKDsI/AAAAAAAAHOA/ZDxOLdFMKjA/s1600/DSC00506.jpg)
The GMK set just doesn't mesh like the DCS/DSA sets did. I think the GMK set is good as a mix n match set with other GMK sets though.
I have not seen those blank iso enter keys, what they were thinking? why did they do them blanks?
Am i the only one that didn't think Hyperfuse GMK really looked like the renders at all? Personally I wasn't a fan of how it came out. For me Penumbra was a that "simple, yet obviously custom" set that I really enjoyed. The different colors of the modifier legends just really helped make that set "pop" for me.
I thought the original hyperfuse's colors looked much nicer
Totally agree. The GMK set just is really meh to me.
For referenceShow Image(http://i.imgur.com/3f7OmYu.jpg)Show Image(https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/-k4JAPvAjvTQ/Uw3z7uMKDsI/AAAAAAAAHOA/ZDxOLdFMKjA/s1600/DSC00506.jpg)
The GMK set just doesn't mesh like the DCS/DSA sets did. I think the GMK set is good as a mix n match set with other GMK sets though.
I have not seen those blank iso enter keys, what they were thinking? why did they do them blanks?
because no one takes ISO seriously :))Am i the only one that didn't think Hyperfuse GMK really looked like the renders at all? Personally I wasn't a fan of how it came out. For me Penumbra was a that "simple, yet obviously custom" set that I really enjoyed. The different colors of the modifier legends just really helped make that set "pop" for me.
I thought the original hyperfuse's colors looked much nicer
Totally agree. The GMK set just is really meh to me.
For referenceShow Image(http://i.imgur.com/3f7OmYu.jpg)Show Image(https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/-k4JAPvAjvTQ/Uw3z7uMKDsI/AAAAAAAAHOA/ZDxOLdFMKjA/s1600/DSC00506.jpg)
The GMK set just doesn't mesh like the DCS/DSA sets did. I think the GMK set is good as a mix n match set with other GMK sets though.
I have not seen those blank iso enter keys, what they were thinking? why did they do them blanks?
I think thin caps are great. I can't stand thick caps. They're too thick. Their thickness annoys me. When I'm typing on them, I can just feel how thick they are. They're way too thick. Their thickness is obvious to my plastic-depth-detecting fingers. Anyone else whose fingers can detect the thickness of the plastic they're touching will instantly agree.
GMK caps look cool but feel like crap. Not sculpted enough.
sculpted?
GMK caps look cool but feel like crap. Not sculpted enough.
GMK caps look cool but feel like crap. Not sculpted enough.
I'll give it to you that it is quite the unpopular opinion. :p
GMK caps look cool but feel like crap. Not sculpted enough.
I'll give it to you that it is quite the unpopular opinion. :p
meh, I agree with the first part. 2nd part is confusing. They're a tad flat but is OEM more cylindrical or something?
Cherry is overrated
Cherry is overrated
Elaborate it!
Cherry is overrated
Elaborate it!
I can really only think of the fact that they're somewhat scratchy new, but really only Gaterons are superior in that regard. Unless he's just talking about MX switches in general
Cherry is overrated
Elaborate it!
I can really only think of the fact that they're somewhat scratchy new, but really only Gaterons are superior in that regard. Unless he's just talking about MX switches in general
It doesn't really happen here but there is this kind of mythos about "Genuine Cherry" that gets used a lot in advertising materials that make them sound like the be all and end all of switches
So far I have found that Cherry switches are only good when you mod the crap out of them
Gaterons are way better out of the box
If Cherry hadn't been so lucky in that their switches allow for the most keycap customisation they would not be held in such high regard
It doesn't really happen here but there is this kind of mythos about "Genuine Cherry" that gets used a lot in advertising materials that make them sound like the be all and end all of switches
So far I have found that Cherry switches are only good when you mod the crap out of them
Gaterons are way better out of the box
If Cherry hadn't been so lucky in that their switches allow for the most keycap customisation they would not be held in such high regard
GMK caps look cool but feel like crap. Not sculpted enough.
I'll give it to you that it is quite the unpopular opinion. :p
meh, I agree with the first part. 2nd part is confusing. They're a tad flat but is OEM more cylindrical or something?
There are some comparison between profiles reported somewhere at GH, what I recall is that there is no significant profile differences between OEM and Cherry, there is only minor ones between the last two and SA contoured, but the angle changes between rows, in this last one, are different than Cherry. I really do not understand what Lengradd is referring to. It seems something he just thought about on the fly and write on to participate in the thread.
Cherry is overrated
Elaborate it!
I can really only think of the fact that they're somewhat scratchy new, but really only Gaterons are superior in that regard. Unless he's just talking about MX switches in general
It doesn't really happen here but there is this kind of mythos about "Genuine Cherry" that gets used a lot in advertising materials that make them sound like the be all and end all of switches
So far I have found that Cherry switches are only good when you mod the crap out of them
Gaterons are way better out of the box
If Cherry hadn't been so lucky in that their switches allow for the most keycap customisation they would not be held in such high regard
Cherry key caps or Cherry switches? You meant switches; but, the OP?
Cherry is overrated
Elaborate it!
I can really only think of the fact that they're somewhat scratchy new, but really only Gaterons are superior in that regard. Unless he's just talking about MX switches in general
It doesn't really happen here but there is this kind of mythos about "Genuine Cherry" that gets used a lot in advertising materials that make them sound like the be all and end all of switches
So far I have found that Cherry switches are only good when you mod the crap out of them
Gaterons are way better out of the box
If Cherry hadn't been so lucky in that their switches allow for the most keycap customisation they would not be held in such high regard
Cherry key caps or Cherry switches? You meant switches; but, the OP?
yep switches - caps are awesome
Led's are cancerous to the eyes and look childish when in public.
MX Browns are terrible so are reds.
Led's are cancerous to the eyes and look childish when in public.
MX Browns are terrible so are reds.
the most popular unpopular opinions in the world
Led's are cancerous to the eyes and look childish when in public.
MX Browns are terrible so are reds.
the most popular unpopular opinions in the world
At this point is it even an "unpopular" opinion? Seems like most people agree (not me though, I like my LEDs :thumb:).
Led's are cancerous to the eyes and look childish when in public.
MX Browns are terrible so are reds.
the most popular unpopular opinions in the world
CHERRY SUCKS
Geekhack is easier to read, when demilk is muted. I'm not sure, if that's unpopular though.
Linear is no different than rubberdome. Clicky cherry is where it's at if I HAD to use cherry.CHERRY SUCKS
Please. Only Linear Switches suck. Blues and Greens are great and are a godsend when you want to break the ice in public or to end a annoying silence in room.
CHERRY SUCKS
Please. Only Linear Switches suck. Blues and Greens are great and are a godsend when you want to break the ice in public or to end a annoying silence in room.
CHERRY SUCKS
Please. Only Linear Switches suck. Blues and Greens are great and are a godsend when you want to break the ice in public or to end a annoying silence in room.
There's a difference between right and wrong. Both wrong. :P
Geekhack is easier to read, when demilk is muted. I'm not sure, if that's unpopular though.
demilk? Never heard of him.Linear is no different than rubberdome. Clicky cherry is where it's at if I HAD to use cherry.CHERRY SUCKS
Please. Only Linear Switches suck. Blues and Greens are great and are a godsend when you want to break the ice in public or to end a annoying silence in room.
Personally I think backlighting can make a keyboard look rather vulgar and showy if it's done badly. Integrated lock light LEDs are pretty cool though :D . Does anyone not like those?Led's are cancerous to the eyes and look childish when in public.
MX Browns are terrible so are reds.
the most popular unpopular opinions in the world
At this point is it even an "unpopular" opinion? Seems like most people agree (not me though, I like my LEDs :thumb:).
I'm pretty sure half the forum hates LEDs considering it's every third post here
"Suck" is a relative term :p . I don't hate Cherry switches or anything, but I can think of a better alternative to each and every single Cherry MX switch.CHERRY SUCKS
Please. Only Linear Switches suck. Blues and Greens are great and are a godsend when you want to break the ice in public or to end a annoying silence in room.
Nah. Boards are god damn boats. Hhkb size or nadaGeekhack is easier to read, when demilk is muted. I'm not sure, if that's unpopular though.
demilk? Never heard of him.Linear is no different than rubberdome. Clicky cherry is where it's at if I HAD to use cherry.CHERRY SUCKS
Please. Only Linear Switches suck. Blues and Greens are great and are a godsend when you want to break the ice in public or to end a annoying silence in room.
Does demik **** wit' buckling springs then?
CHERRY SUCKS
This. Especially blues, they're so tinny.
CHERRY SUCKS
This. Especially blues, they're so tinny.
Personally I think backlighting can make a keyboard look rather vulgar and showy if it's done badly. Integrated lock light LEDs are pretty cool though :D . Does anyone not like those?Led's are cancerous to the eyes and look childish when in public.
MX Browns are terrible so are reds.
the most popular unpopular opinions in the world
At this point is it even an "unpopular" opinion? Seems like most people agree (not me though, I like my LEDs :thumb:).
I'm pretty sure half the forum hates LEDs considering it's every third post here"Suck" is a relative term :p . I don't hate Cherry switches or anything, but I can think of a better alternative to each and every single Cherry MX switch.CHERRY SUCKS
Please. Only Linear Switches suck. Blues and Greens are great and are a godsend when you want to break the ice in public or to end a annoying silence in room.
All linears including gat blacks suck
All linears including gat blacks suck
Agree, linear is terrible.
Linear is the anly cherry that I like
i'm sure this has been posted, but the hhkb layout is pure TRASH. my hand has to contort to use the arrow keys, i keep hitting backspace and enter when i try to just press backspace, even after my muscle memory has adjusted, and switching back to a normal keyboard is a pain in the ass. the shift of the caps lock and the ctrl to its position is nice, but caps lock works much, much better as an fn key. the point of having a 60% board is so that you don't have to move your hands from your default typing position to access all the keys on the keyboard, and the fn's position on the hhkb means i have to shift my entire hand to the right. with how much i have to move, i might as well just get traditional arrow keys so i don't have to try to hard just to move my cursor one position to the left.
topre is a great switch, though
i'm sure this has been posted, but the hhkb layout is pure TRASH. my hand has to contort to use the arrow keys, i keep hitting backspace and enter when i try to just press backspace, even after my muscle memory has adjusted, and switching back to a normal keyboard is a pain in the ass. the shift of the caps lock and the ctrl to its position is nice, but caps lock works much, much better as an fn key. the point of having a 60% board is so that you don't have to move your hands from your default typing position to access all the keys on the keyboard, and the fn's position on the hhkb means i have to shift my entire hand to the right. with how much i have to move, i might as well just get traditional arrow keys so i don't have to try to hard just to move my cursor one position to the left.
topre is a great switch, though
The HHKB Layout is designed for people who don't miss their dedicated arrow-key cluster, if you cant live without it, the HHKB is not the right board for you, perhaps you should take a look at the Leopold leopold fc660c instead. Also, using the DIP switches, you can turn the left Meta key into a FN key, that way you don't have to move all the way to the right.
wrong. :))
The HHKB Layout is designed for people who don't miss their dedicated arrow-key cluster, if you cant live without it, the HHKB is not the right board for you, perhaps you should take a look at the Leopold leopold fc660c instead. Also, using the DIP switches, you can turn the left Meta key into a FN key, that way you don't have to move all the way to the right.
HASU controller. It's all you need :thumb:
oh yeah, i know, but either way i have to end up shifting my hand to the right for arrow keys. i love 60% boards, don't get me wrong, but having the arrow keys on ijkl and my fn key on caps lock (on both my pok3r and custom alps64) has really spoiled me and made me too lazy to move my hand to the right 3 fingers hahaha
The HHKB Layout is designed for people who don't miss their dedicated arrow-key cluster, if you cant live without it, the HHKB is not the right board for you, perhaps you should take a look at the Leopold leopold fc660c instead. Also, using the DIP switches, you can turn the left Meta key into a FN key, that way you don't have to move all the way to the right.
HASU controller. It's all you need :thumb:
oh yeah, i know, but either way i have to end up shifting my hand to the right for arrow keys. i love 60% boards, don't get me wrong, but having the arrow keys on ijkl and my fn key on caps lock (on both my pok3r and custom alps64) has really spoiled me and made me too lazy to move my hand to the right 3 fingers hahaha
Hasu's controller is all you need then ^-^
The HHKB Layout is designed for people who don't miss their dedicated arrow-key cluster, if you cant live without it, the HHKB is not the right board for you, perhaps you should take a look at the Leopold leopold fc660c instead. Also, using the DIP switches, you can turn the left Meta key into a FN key, that way you don't have to move all the way to the right.
HASU controller. It's all you need :thumb:
oh yeah, i know, but either way i have to end up shifting my hand to the right for arrow keys. i love 60% boards, don't get me wrong, but having the arrow keys on ijkl and my fn key on caps lock (on both my pok3r and custom alps64) has really spoiled me and made me too lazy to move my hand to the right 3 fingers hahaha
Hasu's controller is all you need then ^-^
honestly i always just assumed that it was out of my price range and im too lazy to learn how to make one out of a teensy but i just checked the prices... and goddammit i have no excuse now
The HHKB Layout is designed for people who don't miss their dedicated arrow-key cluster, if you cant live without it, the HHKB is not the right board for you, perhaps you should take a look at the Leopold leopold fc660c instead. Also, using the DIP switches, you can turn the left Meta key into a FN key, that way you don't have to move all the way to the right.
HASU controller. It's all you need :thumb:
oh yeah, i know, but either way i have to end up shifting my hand to the right for arrow keys. i love 60% boards, don't get me wrong, but having the arrow keys on ijkl and my fn key on caps lock (on both my pok3r and custom alps64) has really spoiled me and made me too lazy to move my hand to the right 3 fingers hahaha
Hasu's controller is all you need then ^-^
honestly i always just assumed that it was out of my price range and im too lazy to learn how to make one out of a teensy but i just checked the prices... and goddammit i have no excuse now
Yeah, quite affordable. better off just buying the controller than making one all day long when it comes to the HHKB.
The HHKB Layout is designed for people who don't miss their dedicated arrow-key cluster, if you cant live without it, the HHKB is not the right board for you, perhaps you should take a look at the Leopold leopold fc660c instead. Also, using the DIP switches, you can turn the left Meta key into a FN key, that way you don't have to move all the way to the right.
HASU controller. It's all you need :thumb:
oh yeah, i know, but either way i have to end up shifting my hand to the right for arrow keys. i love 60% boards, don't get me wrong, but having the arrow keys on ijkl and my fn key on caps lock (on both my pok3r and custom alps64) has really spoiled me and made me too lazy to move my hand to the right 3 fingers hahaha
Hasu's controller is all you need then ^-^
honestly i always just assumed that it was out of my price range and im too lazy to learn how to make one out of a teensy but i just checked the prices... and goddammit i have no excuse now
Yeah, quite affordable. better off just buying the controller than making one all day long when it comes to the HHKB.
i definitely agree - a $200+ keyboard doesnt deserve a messy, makeshift connection to a teensy
Im just curious, what do people use arrow keys for? With programming, gaming, daily use, I've never found that I really use them or want them, much less need them.
I suppose this isn't an unpopular opinion, but im really missing my arrow keys on my 60%, i dont miss dedicated function keys, or the numpad, just arrows, media keys slightly but not as much, I know i can fix that with layers on my GH60 satan based board, but i may pic up a cheap numpad to use for dedicated arrow keys.
Im just curious, what do people use arrow keys for? With programming, gaming, daily use, I've never found that I really use them or want them, much less need them.
I suppose this isn't an unpopular opinion, but im really missing my arrow keys on my 60%, i dont miss dedicated function keys, or the numpad, just arrows, media keys slightly but not as much, I know i can fix that with layers on my GH60 satan based board, but i may pic up a cheap numpad to use for dedicated arrow keys.
There are a few 60% layout keyboards available which offer a dedicated arrow-key cluster, although wouldn't that make it a 65% layout? However, I'm not an expert on these, I know about the leopold fc660c, but that's probably just because it has topre switches. I would actually probable use the leopold instated of my current HHKB if it would be standard layout. I love my backspace above enter, I could never return...
I suppose this isn't an unpopular opinion, but im really missing my arrow keys on my 60%, i dont miss dedicated function keys, or the numpad, just arrows, media keys slightly but not as much, I know i can fix that with layers on my GH60 satan based board, but i may pic up a cheap numpad to use for dedicated arrow keys.
There are a few 60% layout keyboards available which offer a dedicated arrow-key cluster, although wouldn't that make it a 65% layout? However, I'm not an expert on these, I know about the leopold fc660c, but that's probably just because it has topre switches. I would actually probable use the leopold instated of my current HHKB if it would be standard layout. I love my backspace above enter, I could never return...
Ive seen a few custom layouts that include the arrow keys, or the 75% layout is a bit interesting, but i really am loving my 60%, for now im using it as my main keyboard and the board i bring around with my laptop. So ill probably just get a numpad for the desk for the time being.
I suppose this isn't an unpopular opinion, but im really missing my arrow keys on my 60%, i dont miss dedicated function keys, or the numpad, just arrows, media keys slightly but not as much, I know i can fix that with layers on my GH60 satan based board, but i may pic up a cheap numpad to use for dedicated arrow keys.
There are a few 60% layout keyboards available which offer a dedicated arrow-key cluster, although wouldn't that make it a 65% layout? However, I'm not an expert on these, I know about the leopold fc660c, but that's probably just because it has topre switches. I would actually probable use the leopold instated of my current HHKB if it would be standard layout. I love my backspace above enter, I could never return...
Ive seen a few custom layouts that include the arrow keys, or the 75% layout is a bit interesting, but i really am loving my 60%, for now im using it as my main keyboard and the board i bring around with my laptop. So ill probably just get a numpad for the desk for the time being.
I really got used to the HHKB arrow-key layout, if I'm thinking about it, Its actually more comfortable to use then a dedicated cluster for me at this point.
Edit: About the remapping, that's of course feasible, but what would be the former backspace key good for then, I'd had to give a reasonable use, I can not really thing of anything right now.
I suppose this isn't an unpopular opinion, but im really missing my arrow keys on my 60%, i dont miss dedicated function keys, or the numpad, just arrows, media keys slightly but not as much, I know i can fix that with layers on my GH60 satan based board, but i may pic up a cheap numpad to use for dedicated arrow keys.
There are a few 60% layout keyboards available which offer a dedicated arrow-key cluster, although wouldn't that make it a 65% layout? However, I'm not an expert on these, I know about the leopold fc660c, but that's probably just because it has topre switches. I would actually probable use the leopold instated of my current HHKB if it would be standard layout. I love my backspace above enter, I could never return...
Ive seen a few custom layouts that include the arrow keys, or the 75% layout is a bit interesting, but i really am loving my 60%, for now im using it as my main keyboard and the board i bring around with my laptop. So ill probably just get a numpad for the desk for the time being.
I really got used to the HHKB arrow-key layout, if I'm thinking about it, Its actually more comfortable to use then a dedicated cluster for me at this point.
Edit: About the remapping, that's of course feasible, but what would be the former backspace key good for then, I'd had to give a reasonable use, I can not really thing of anything right now.
I really like the HHKB arrow layout, though i have not yet had a chance to use one, or a board of a similar layout yet, i do want to get an HHKB eventually for the layout and to try topre switches.
ABS and PBT both suck.
When shined. :3
I'm always so disappointed when vintage boards end up having shined caps. It's far too common. It's not so much that they are shiny as it is that that is indicative of a loss of texture. I have heard people using sand blasters to retexture caps, albeit in some really grazing way I'm sure, because a sand blaster would annihilate a key cap for sure.
I really want to do this. Retexture old sets! I know matte clear coat could do it, but that feels wrong.
ABS and PBT both suck.
When shined. :3
I'm always so disappointed when vintage boards end up having shined caps. It's far too common. It's not so much that they are shiny as it is that that is indicative of a loss of texture. I have heard people using sand blasters to retexture caps, albeit in some really grazing way I'm sure, because a sand blaster would annihilate a key cap for sure.
I really want to do this. Retexture old sets! I know matte clear coat could do it, but that feels wrong.
Im just curious, what do people use arrow keys for? With programming, gaming, daily use, I've never found that I really use them or want them, much less need them.Well, if you don't use software with vi/emacs bindings, it's pretty much the only way to reposition cursor, other than grabbing the mouse (or some other pointing device). The same with scrolling, moving around in a file manager, etc. Windows-like GUIs shove it down everybody's throat by default. Some games have default/hard-coded motion bindings @ WASD/arrows.
ABS and PBT both suck.
When shined. :3
I'm always so disappointed when vintage boards end up having shined caps. It's far too common. It's not so much that they are shiny as it is that that is indicative of a loss of texture. I have heard people using sand blasters to retexture caps, albeit in some really grazing way I'm sure, because a sand blaster would annihilate a key cap for sure.
I really want to do this. Retexture old sets! I know matte clear coat could do it, but that feels wrong.
id imagine it would work well if you used either a lower air pressure, or maybe less abrasive glass bead sandblasting, maybe baking soda sand blasting for a finer texture.
ABS and PBT both suck.
When shined. :3
I'm always so disappointed when vintage boards end up having shined caps. It's far too common. It's not so much that they are shiny as it is that that is indicative of a loss of texture. I have heard people using sand blasters to retexture caps, albeit in some really grazing way I'm sure, because a sand blaster would annihilate a key cap for sure.
I really want to do this. Retexture old sets! I know matte clear coat could do it, but that feels wrong.
I wonder if you clear coat the caps and then sand the majority of the coating off would end with good results.
Im just curious, what do people use arrow keys for? With programming, gaming, daily use, I've never found that I really use them or want them, much less need them.
I guess the point is that use cases differ. I tried to address that in my last post.Im just curious, what do people use arrow keys for? With programming, gaming, daily use, I've never found that I really use them or want them, much less need them.snip
Im just curious, what do people use arrow keys for? With programming, gaming, daily use, I've never found that I really use them or want them, much less need them.
How do you navigate around an Office (or the equivalent) document (Word, but especially Excel) quickly at a granular level without arrow keys? Or more infrequently but specifically, for quickly navigating around a BIOS screen. New PC motherboards come with graphical interfaces, but it feels just... wrong... to use a mouse there.
Just typing the above sentence, I used the arrow keys a bunch of times to add in the phrase contained in the first set of brackets.
The only other way I can think of to navigate is with a mouse, and that's really inefficient for moving the cursor small distances as taking a hand away from the keyboard detracts from fluid typing. And a mouse is nowhere near as quick+granular.
jk i thought about it and still dislike the layout of the hhkb. if there were two extra buttons on the bottom row...
The HHKB Layout is designed for people who don't miss their dedicated arrow-key cluster, if you cant live without it, the HHKB is not the right board for you, perhaps you should take a look at the Leopold leopold fc660c instead. Also, using the DIP switches, you can turn the left Meta key into a FN key, that way you don't have to move all the way to the right.
HASU controller. It's all you need :thumb:
oh yeah, i know, but either way i have to end up shifting my hand to the right for arrow keys. i love 60% boards, don't get me wrong, but having the arrow keys on ijkl and my fn key on caps lock (on both my pok3r and custom alps64) has really spoiled me and made me too lazy to move my hand to the right 3 fingers hahaha
Hasu's controller is all you need then ^-^
honestly i always just assumed that it was out of my price range and im too lazy to learn how to make one out of a teensy but i just checked the prices... and goddammit i have no excuse now
Yeah, quite affordable. better off just buying the controller than making one all day long when it comes to the HHKB.
i definitely agree - a $200+ keyboard doesnt deserve a messy, makeshift connection to a teensy
yup, my thoughts exactly
Or maybe a quick shot of some textured spray paint? They have that rock like finish, they might be good with a quick spray on the top.ABS and PBT both suck.
When shined. :3
I'm always so disappointed when vintage boards end up having shined caps. It's far too common. It's not so much that they are shiny as it is that that is indicative of a loss of texture. I have heard people using sand blasters to retexture caps, albeit in some really grazing way I'm sure, because a sand blaster would annihilate a key cap for sure.
I really want to do this. Retexture old sets! I know matte clear coat could do it, but that feels wrong.
I wonder if you clear coat the caps and then sand the majority of the coating off would end with good results.
Or maybe a quick shot of some textured spray paint? They have that rock like finish, they might be good with a quick spray on the top.ABS and PBT both suck.
When shined. :3
I'm always so disappointed when vintage boards end up having shined caps. It's far too common. It's not so much that they are shiny as it is that that is indicative of a loss of texture. I have heard people using sand blasters to retexture caps, albeit in some really grazing way I'm sure, because a sand blaster would annihilate a key cap for sure.
I really want to do this. Retexture old sets! I know matte clear coat could do it, but that feels wrong.
I wonder if you clear coat the caps and then sand the majority of the coating off would end with good results.
Im just curious, what do people use arrow keys for? With programming, gaming, daily use, I've never found that I really use them or want them, much less need them.
How do you navigate around an Office (or the equivalent) document (Word, but especially Excel) quickly at a granular level without arrow keys? Or more infrequently but specifically, for quickly navigating around a BIOS screen. New PC motherboards come with graphical interfaces, but it feels just... wrong... to use a mouse there.
Just typing the above sentence, I used the arrow keys a bunch of times to add in the phrase contained in the first set of brackets.
The only other way I can think of to navigate is with a mouse, and that's really inefficient for moving the cursor small distances as taking a hand away from the keyboard detracts from fluid typing. And a mouse is nowhere near as quick+granular.
This feels like an unpopular opinion at times: I like Topre and Cherry.
Here are a couple more unpopular opinions...
- I don't like the HHKB's case. I might have been spoiled by Cherry and IBM...
- I have an issue with color on keyboards...very few times does it actually work correctly to be aesthetically pleasing, like RGBY and CMYW work for me but not CMYK (which is kind of interesting because C+M+Y = K). I suppose this is why I like beige and dolch so much...
This feels like an unpopular opinion at times: I like Topre and Cherry.
I like Topre, and Cherry and IBM. But not Alps :p
Im just curious, what do people use arrow keys for? With programming, gaming, daily use, I've never found that I really use them or want them, much less need them.
How do you navigate around an Office (or the equivalent) document (Word, but especially Excel) quickly at a granular level without arrow keys? Or more infrequently but specifically, for quickly navigating around a BIOS screen. New PC motherboards come with graphical interfaces, but it feels just... wrong... to use a mouse there.
Just typing the above sentence, I used the arrow keys a bunch of times to add in the phrase contained in the first set of brackets.
The only other way I can think of to navigate is with a mouse, and that's really inefficient for moving the cursor small distances as taking a hand away from the keyboard detracts from fluid typing. And a mouse is nowhere near as quick+granular.
After I got the Duck Eagle the arrow keys were the main thing that I missed from my full size. Since I have gotten it layered I love having them back for a lot of the reasons you mentioned, as well as for some games where it makes map navigation easier. When I was using it at work it was a much bigger deal as I use Excel and tax software that relies a lot on the arrow keys but also the numpad, so I don't think that at this time I could use anything less than a full size there.
This feels like an unpopular opinion at times: I like Topre and Cherry.
Im just curious, what do people use arrow keys for? With programming, gaming, daily use, I've never found that I really use them or want them, much less need them.
How do you navigate around an Office (or the equivalent) document (Word, but especially Excel) quickly at a granular level without arrow keys? Or more infrequently but specifically, for quickly navigating around a BIOS screen. New PC motherboards come with graphical interfaces, but it feels just... wrong... to use a mouse there.
Just typing the above sentence, I used the arrow keys a bunch of times to add in the phrase contained in the first set of brackets.
The only other way I can think of to navigate is with a mouse, and that's really inefficient for moving the cursor small distances as taking a hand away from the keyboard detracts from fluid typing. And a mouse is nowhere near as quick+granular.
I think Topre feels like ****. The realforce feels cheap as ****. Loud rattly spacebar, the keycap profile sucks. It's also ugly as ****. I prefer my membrane to it.
Here are a couple more unpopular opinions...Why you don't like alps?
- I don't like the HHKB's case. I might have been spoiled by Cherry and IBM...
- I have an issue with color on keyboards...very few times does it actually work correctly to be aesthetically pleasing, like RGBY and CMYW work for me but not CMYK (which is kind of interesting because C+M+Y = K). I suppose this is why I like beige and dolch so much...
This feels like an unpopular opinion at times: I like Topre and Cherry.
I like Topre, and Cherry and IBM. But not Alps :p
Here are a couple more unpopular opinions...Why you don't like alps?
- I don't like the HHKB's case. I might have been spoiled by Cherry and IBM...
- I have an issue with color on keyboards...very few times does it actually work correctly to be aesthetically pleasing, like RGBY and CMYW work for me but not CMYK (which is kind of interesting because C+M+Y = K). I suppose this is why I like beige and dolch so much...
This feels like an unpopular opinion at times: I like Topre and Cherry.
I like Topre, and Cherry and IBM. But not Alps :p
Here are a couple more unpopular opinions...Why you don't like alps?
- I don't like the HHKB's case. I might have been spoiled by Cherry and IBM...
- I have an issue with color on keyboards...very few times does it actually work correctly to be aesthetically pleasing, like RGBY and CMYW work for me but not CMYK (which is kind of interesting because C+M+Y = K). I suppose this is why I like beige and dolch so much...
This feels like an unpopular opinion at times: I like Topre and Cherry.
I like Topre, and Cherry and IBM. But not Alps :p
Ever see that movie Everest? Yeah those were his parents
I think Topre feels like ****. The realforce feels cheap as ****. Loud rattly spacebar, the keycap profile sucks. It's also ugly as ****. I prefer my membrane to it.
Dental banding an HHKB should be considered a federal offence. Think of the worst thing you've ever felt, and that's what a dental banded HHKB feels like. I bought my HHKB secondhand and its previous owner had defaced it with multicolored elastic rings. You better believe I ripped that b**** open and removed all of them when I received it. I did it so fast, the mailman hadn't even made it back to his truck before I reassembled the board.
Paint on keys is rarely a good idea.
Dental banding an HHKB should be considered a federal offence. Think of the worst thing you've ever felt, and that's what a dental banded HHKB feels like. I bought my HHKB secondhand and its previous owner had defaced it with multicolored elastic rings. You better believe I ripped that b**** open and removed all of them when I received it. I did it so fast, the mailman hadn't even made it back to his truck before I reassembled the board.
Totally agree with this opinion :thumb:
With the way things are going, i feel like soon keyboards will be second to stupid artisan talk. So my unpopular keyboard opinion of the day is that I care far more about keyboards than keycaps.
Dental banding an HHKB should be considered a federal offence. Think of the worst thing you've ever felt, and that's what a dental banded HHKB feels like. I bought my HHKB secondhand and its previous owner had defaced it with multicolored elastic rings. You better believe I ripped that b**** open and removed all of them when I received it. I did it so fast, the mailman hadn't even made it back to his truck before I reassembled the board.
Totally agree with this opinion :thumb:
With the way things are going, i feel like soon keyboards will be second to stupid artisan talk. So my unpopular keyboard opinion of the day is that I care far more about keyboards than keycaps.
Some threads, like the "what did you received in the mail today" have been about artisan pretty much every day, I wonder if the site should change its name to artisan's caps.
Dental banding an HHKB should be considered a federal offence. Think of the worst thing you've ever felt, and that's what a dental banded HHKB feels like. I bought my HHKB secondhand and its previous owner had defaced it with multicolored elastic rings. You better believe I ripped that b**** open and removed all of them when I received it. I did it so fast, the mailman hadn't even made it back to his truck before I reassembled the board.
Totally agree with this opinion :thumb:
With the way things are going, i feel like soon keyboards will be second to stupid artisan talk. So my unpopular keyboard opinion of the day is that I care far more about keyboards than keycaps.
Some threads, like the "what did you received in the mail today" have been about artisan pretty much every day, I wonder if the site should change its name to artisan's caps.
Hmmmm, artisans are the least important thing to me after keyboard and keysets. I would much rather have a new keyset than a single artisan or even a couple artisans.
Dental banding an HHKB should be considered a federal offence. Think of the worst thing you've ever felt, and that's what a dental banded HHKB feels like. I bought my HHKB secondhand and its previous owner had defaced it with multicolored elastic rings. You better believe I ripped that b**** open and removed all of them when I received it. I did it so fast, the mailman hadn't even made it back to his truck before I reassembled the board.
Totally agree with this opinion :thumb:
With the way things are going, i feel like soon keyboards will be second to stupid artisan talk. So my unpopular keyboard opinion of the day is that I care far more about keyboards than keycaps.
Some threads, like the "what did you received in the mail today" have been about artisan pretty much every day, I wonder if the site should change its name to artisan's caps.
Hmmmm, artisans are the least important thing to me after keyboard and keysets. I would much rather have a new keyset than a single artisan or even a couple artisans.
I respect people that like them, but artisan keycaps contribute to the bizarreness of the economy that exists within the keyboard community.
Dental banding an HHKB should be considered a federal offence. Think of the worst thing you've ever felt, and that's what a dental banded HHKB feels like. I bought my HHKB secondhand and its previous owner had defaced it with multicolored elastic rings. You better believe I ripped that b**** open and removed all of them when I received it. I did it so fast, the mailman hadn't even made it back to his truck before I reassembled the board.
Totally agree with this opinion :thumb:
With the way things are going, i feel like soon keyboards will be second to stupid artisan talk. So my unpopular keyboard opinion of the day is that I care far more about keyboards than keycaps.
Some threads, like the "what did you received in the mail today" have been about artisan pretty much every day, I wonder if the site should change its name to artisan's caps.
Hmmmm, artisans are the least important thing to me after keyboard and keysets. I would much rather have a new keyset than a single artisan or even a couple artisans.
I respect people that like them, but artisan keycaps contribute to the bizarreness of the economy that exists within the keyboard community.
The thought of spending $100, $200, or even more for a single keycap still boggles my mind. I really like some of the artisans out there but when I see these prices all I can think about is how I could get a whole keyset or a whole new keyboard for the price of a single keycap.
Dental banding an HHKB should be considered a federal offence. Think of the worst thing you've ever felt, and that's what a dental banded HHKB feels like. I bought my HHKB secondhand and its previous owner had defaced it with multicolored elastic rings. You better believe I ripped that b**** open and removed all of them when I received it. I did it so fast, the mailman hadn't even made it back to his truck before I reassembled the board.
Totally agree with this opinion :thumb:
With the way things are going, i feel like soon keyboards will be second to stupid artisan talk. So my unpopular keyboard opinion of the day is that I care far more about keyboards than keycaps.
Some threads, like the "what did you received in the mail today" have been about artisan pretty much every day, I wonder if the site should change its name to artisan's caps.
Hmmmm, artisans are the least important thing to me after keyboard and keysets. I would much rather have a new keyset than a single artisan or even a couple artisans.
I respect people that like them, but artisan keycaps contribute to the bizarreness of the economy that exists within the keyboard community.
The thought of spending $100, $200, or even more for a single keycap still boggles my mind. I really like some of the artisans out there but when I see these prices all I can think about is how I could get a whole keyset or a whole new keyboard for the price of a single keycap.
That's economy madness, the question is what is in the mind of people buying them, Adam Smith may feel so uncomfortable with this weird economics lack of logic in his very own tomb.
Dental banding an HHKB should be considered a federal offence. Think of the worst thing you've ever felt, and that's what a dental banded HHKB feels like. I bought my HHKB secondhand and its previous owner had defaced it with multicolored elastic rings. You better believe I ripped that b**** open and removed all of them when I received it. I did it so fast, the mailman hadn't even made it back to his truck before I reassembled the board.
Totally agree with this opinion :thumb:
With the way things are going, i feel like soon keyboards will be second to stupid artisan talk. So my unpopular keyboard opinion of the day is that I care far more about keyboards than keycaps.
Some threads, like the "what did you received in the mail today" have been about artisan pretty much every day, I wonder if the site should change its name to artisan's caps.
Hmmmm, artisans are the least important thing to me after keyboard and keysets. I would much rather have a new keyset than a single artisan or even a couple artisans.
I respect people that like them, but artisan keycaps contribute to the bizarreness of the economy that exists within the keyboard community.
Of course, it's one more thing - it's a passion for those that create, like any artistic endeavour.
Of course, it's one more thing - it's a passion for those that create, like any artistic endeavour.
I think it may be starting to become a cash grab for some. This link (http://elitekeyboards.com/products.php?sub=access,cherrymxkeys&pid=cf5f_sku_3blk) always disheartens me when I see current prices.
Of course, it's one more thing - it's a passion for those that create, like any artistic endeavour.
I think it may be starting to become a cash grab for some. This link (http://elitekeyboards.com/products.php?sub=access,cherrymxkeys&pid=cf5f_sku_3blk) always disheartens me when I see current prices.
The fanboyism behind Topre on GH is ridiculous.
You're ridiculous OnO
You're ridiculous OnO
I hate because I can't appreciate
You're ridiculous OnO
I hate because I can't appreciate
I'm gonna send you one of my hhkbs so you can try it out. Then you can buy your own and get ready of all things cherry. Just let me get some free time.
Like a baby
Like a baby
So erratically with random points where I wake up because I **** my pants while sleeping? Because that's how my baby sleeps.
* DSA is ridiculous. It is literally like having OEM profile home row keys all over the board.
* Matrix layout is not ergonomic. At all.
* Alps' Black and Cream force curve with its high actuation point and drop is at fault for rubber domes getting popular.
* You have to mod Cherry MX to make them feel good, and that SUCKS.
* ErgoDox is overrated.
* Cherry MX Red are stupid.
* Buckling springs are overrated.
* Heavier keyboard does NOT make for a better typing experience.
* Plate-mounting Cherry MX does not make it better.
* Lower profile is better.
* Cherry stabilisers > Costar stabilisers.
* Most scissor switches that are not super-cheap have a higher feel of quality than Cherry MX or Alps, because they are more stabilised.
* Clacks look like the super-cheap toys you get in a cereal box or with cheap candy you buy at a shady place. You could just as well buy action figures or Lego minifigs and place them next to the keyboard - it is cheaper, they usually look much better and you could actually type on the keys if they have proper keycaps instead.
* DSA is ridiculous. It is literally like having OEM profile home row keys all over the board.
* Matrix layout is not ergonomic. At all.
* Alps' Black and Cream force curve with its high actuation point and drop is at fault for rubber domes getting popular.
* You have to mod Cherry MX to make them feel good, and that SUCKS.
* ErgoDox is overrated.
* Cherry MX Red are stupid.
* Buckling springs are overrated.
* Heavier keyboard does NOT make for a better typing experience.
* Plate-mounting Cherry MX does not make it better.
* Lower profile is better.
* Cherry stabilisers > Costar stabilisers.
* Most scissor switches that are not super-cheap have a higher feel of quality than Cherry MX or Alps, because they are more stabilised.
* Clacks look like the super-cheap toys you get in a cereal box or with cheap candy you buy at a shady place. You could just as well buy action figures or Lego minifigs and place them next to the keyboard - it is cheaper, they usually look much better and you could actually type on the keys if they have proper keycaps instead.Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/YZDt2u9.gif)
edgy
- i clicked on the wrong page and thought this was the most recent rip me
Like a baby
So erratically with random points where I wake up because I **** my pants while sleeping? Because that's how my baby sleeps.
Yeah I never understood that phrase. Babies suck at sleeping.
The keyboard is so great you will **** your pants with anticipation to start using it for the day.Like a baby
So erratically with random points where I wake up because I **** my pants while sleeping? Because that's how my baby sleeps.
The keyboard is so great you will **** your pants with anticipation to start using it for the day.Like a baby
So erratically with random points where I wake up because I **** my pants while sleeping? Because that's how my baby sleeps.
* DSA is ridiculous. It is literally like having OEM profile home row keys all over the board.
* Matrix layout is not ergonomic. At all.
* Alps' Black and Cream force curve with its high actuation point and drop is at fault for rubber domes getting popular.
* You have to mod Cherry MX to make them feel good, and that SUCKS.
* ErgoDox is overrated.
* Cherry MX Red are stupid.
* Buckling springs are overrated.
* Heavier keyboard does NOT make for a better typing experience.
* Plate-mounting Cherry MX does not make it better.
* Lower profile is better.
* Cherry stabilisers > Costar stabilisers.
* Most scissor switches that are not super-cheap have a higher feel of quality than Cherry MX or Alps, because they are more stabilised.
* Clacks look like the super-cheap toys you get in a cereal box or with cheap candy you buy at a shady place. You could just as well buy action figures or Lego minifigs and place them next to the keyboard - it is cheaper, they usually look much better and you could actually type on the keys if they have proper keycaps instead.Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/YZDt2u9.gif)
edgy
- i clicked on the wrong page and thought this was the most recent rip me
I wonder how these opinions hold over a year later. Probably the same?
I'm sorry jerue. :pHere are a couple more unpopular opinions...Why you don't like alps?
- I don't like the HHKB's case. I might have been spoiled by Cherry and IBM...
- I have an issue with color on keyboards...very few times does it actually work correctly to be aesthetically pleasing, like RGBY and CMYW work for me but not CMYK (which is kind of interesting because C+M+Y = K). I suppose this is why I like beige and dolch so much...
This feels like an unpopular opinion at times: I like Topre and Cherry.
I like Topre, and Cherry and IBM. But not Alps :p
Ever see that movie Everest? Yeah those were his parents
Not sure how unpopular this is as of now since I haven't heard to many opinions on it, but the new Cherry logo is ugly as sin
This one seems unpopular based upon how buys are run, but any custom keyboards should either have really available PCBs or they should allow you to purchase extra PCBs and, if the design requires them, plates as well.
This one seems unpopular based upon how buys are run, but any custom keyboards should either have really available PCBs or they should allow you to purchase extra PCBs and, if the design requires them, plates as well.
This one seems unpopular based upon how buys are run, but any custom keyboards should either have really available PCBs or they should allow you to purchase extra PCBs and, if the design requires them, plates as well.This is really a good idea!
I think flipped spacebars looks really bad and feel terrible. When I first went mech I flipped my spacebar because I wasn't used to how it felt, but it didn't take me long to flip it back. Not sure if this is that unpopular, but when I see pics of nice looking boards with flipped spacebars it irks me.
I think flipped spacebars looks really bad and feel terrible. When I first went mech I flipped my spacebar because I wasn't used to how it felt, but it didn't take me long to flip it back. Not sure if this is that unpopular, but when I see pics of nice looking boards with flipped spacebars it irks me.
more people like them regular rather than flipped
caps lock should be backspace.
caps lock should be backspace.
You sir might be onto something there.
caps lock should be backspace.
You sir might be onto something there.
I know lol. it allows you to simply move your pinky slightly to the left instead of your whole hand to the right, very useful. so I do reccomend it.
caps lock should be backspace.
You sir might be onto something there.
I know lol. it allows you to simply move your pinky slightly to the left instead of your whole hand to the right, very useful. so I do reccomend it.
I am going to try this.
I think flipped spacebars looks really bad and feel terrible. When I first went mech I flipped my spacebar because I wasn't used to how it felt, but it didn't take me long to flip it back. Not sure if this is that unpopular, but when I see pics of nice looking boards with flipped spacebars it irks me.
more people like them regular rather than flipped
Yep, this is true.
I never gelled with the whole flipped thing as I never had any real issues with the space bars as they are.
I think flipped spacebars looks really bad and feel terrible. When I first went mech I flipped my spacebar because I wasn't used to how it felt, but it didn't take me long to flip it back. Not sure if this is that unpopular, but when I see pics of nice looking boards with flipped spacebars it irks me.
more people like them regular rather than flipped
Yep, this is true.
I never gelled with the whole flipped thing as I never had any real issues with the space bars as they are.
Depends on the caps. TaiHao and Leopold have quite sharp edges, and the TaiHao also is quite tall, so I like to flip the spacebars on those. GMK is better unflipped.
You're ridiculous OnO
I hate because I can't appreciate
I'm gonna send you one of my hhkbs so you can try it out. Then you can buy your own and get ready of all things cherry. Just let me get some free time.
You're ridiculous OnO
I hate because I can't appreciate
I'm gonna send you one of my hhkbs so you can try it out. Then you can buy your own and get ready of all things cherry. Just let me get some free time.
Can I actually get in on this? Like I'm using a Novatouch atm and have not touched a HHKB yet.
You're ridiculous OnO
I hate because I can't appreciate
I'm gonna send you one of my hhkbs so you can try it out. Then you can buy your own and get ready of all things cherry. Just let me get some free time.
Can I actually get in on this? Like I'm using a Novatouch atm and have not touched a HHKB yet.
Yes. I'll make a thread tonight. With a special surprise!
Got to say: I really like typing on the Apple Chiclet.
We use them at work. I can type really fast with those. Probably pretty unpopular opinion :D
Yep, now I'm reconsidering my previous plan of remapping my caps lock to a fn key. :eek:caps lock should be backspace.
You sir might be onto something there.
A good quality rubber dome can feel quite good; there's a really snappy board at work & the sounds and feel is really good.
A good quality rubber dome can feel quite good; there's a really snappy board at work & the sounds and feel is really good.
A good quality rubber dome can feel quite good; there's a really snappy board at work & the sounds and feel is really good.
Do you mean a Topre? :p
A good quality rubber dome can feel quite good; there's a really snappy board at work & the sounds and feel is really good.
Do you mean a Topre? :p
Still don't have one - soon.
A good quality rubber dome can feel quite good; there's a really snappy board at work & the sounds and feel is really good.
Do you mean a Topre? :p
Still don't have one - soon.
I still like my orginal rubber dome I got for 20 bucks off amazon.
A good quality rubber dome can feel quite good; there's a really snappy board at work & the sounds and feel is really good.
Do you mean a Topre? :p
Still don't have one - soon.
I still like my orginal rubber dome I got for 20 bucks off amazon.
The work board is $10, the design is really nice too. Shame I can't get some sneak pictures as the sides are never shown on the internet.
Got to say: I really like typing on the Apple Chiclet.
We use them at work. I can type really fast with those. Probably pretty unpopular opinion :D
Got to say: I really like typing on the Apple Chiclet.
We use them at work. I can type really fast with those. Probably pretty unpopular opinion :D
Instaban! :eek:
Actually I have one too that I really like. I'd say I type fastest on it, it's very tactile, smooth, and extremely quiet.
I think Topre feels like ****. The realforce feels cheap as ****. Loud rattly spacebar, the keycap profile sucks. It's also ugly as ****. I prefer my membrane to it.
I think Topre feels like ****. The realforce feels cheap as ****. Loud rattly spacebar, the keycap profile sucks. It's also ugly as ****. I prefer my membrane to it.
i was gonna say something, but then i looked at your sig, now i just feel bad for you.
I learned how to HTML on a buckling spring keyboard my older brother let me borrow. I kind of miss the sound of a loud spacebar. I think the first computer I built had a buckling spring keyboard as well. The more I read on this forum the more I warm up to Topre. Sigh.I think Topre feels like ****. The realforce feels cheap as ****. Loud rattly spacebar, the keycap profile sucks. It's also ugly as ****. I prefer my membrane to it.
i was gonna say something, but then i looked at your sig, now i just feel bad for you.
This is like the keyboard version of your parents saying, "I'm not mad, I'm just disappointed."
I think Topre feels like ****. The realforce feels cheap as ****. Loud rattly spacebar, the keycap profile sucks. It's also ugly as ****. I prefer my membrane to it.
i was gonna say something, but then i looked at your sig, now i just feel bad for you.
I think Topre feels like ****. The realforce feels cheap as ****. Loud rattly spacebar, the keycap profile sucks. It's also ugly as ****. I prefer my membrane to it.
i was gonna say something, but then i looked at your sig, now i just feel bad for you.
I think your constant talk of the HHKB is going to make me get one when I get back into the kb game. I hope it is endgame so I can stay lowkey money wise :confused:
Man, I've already hit endgame with my 60% Alps board, and yet...
Man, I've already hit endgame with my 60% Alps board, and yet...
The secret is there is no endgame. You just find a board that you're satisfied with for a certain period of time until something new comes along. ;)
The secret is there is no endgame. You just find a board that you're satisfied with for a certain period of time until something new comes along. ;)
Have you tried the newest? With the tapered design and the charging?
The secret is there is no endgame. You just find a board that you're satisfied with for a certain period of time until something new comes along. ;)
Truth.
I bought an HHKB and disappeared from GH for 3.5 years. One day I wanted to replace some keycaps on the HHKB so I logged into GH and now... I have an 87U 55g and a Duck on the way.
Disaster strikes :)
I have enough with only two boards and a couple of OG Cherry key cap sets to dress them up. Is this unpopular enough?
I have enough with only two boards and a couple of OG Cherry key cap sets to dress them up. Is this unpopular enough?
not really I could quit the hobby with SQ and MX-5000 but it's pleasant to build nice boards.
DELL sucks. HP sucks. They are soulless, faceless, profit-seeking, clueless companies that have no taste and do not know how to build quality products without compromises.
You don't need to have the perfect keyboard. Don't worry, be happy.
You don't need to have the perfect keyboard. Don't worry, be happy.
If you think a perfect keyboard exists in the first place, you will have lots of issues, mainly with the wallet.
You don't need to have the perfect keyboard. Don't worry, be happy.
If you think a perfect keyboard exists in the first place, you will have lots of issues, mainly with the wallet.
HHKB is not that expensive. Your wallet will be fine, hhkb is the perfect keyboard.
You don't need to have the perfect keyboard. Don't worry, be happy.
If you think a perfect keyboard exists in the first place, you will have lots of issues, mainly with the wallet.
HHKB is not that expensive. Your wallet will be fine, hhkb is the perfect keyboard.
It is almost perfect. It does need better rubber feet ;)
You don't need to have the perfect keyboard. Don't worry, be happy.
If you think a perfect keyboard exists in the first place, you will have lots of issues, mainly with the wallet.
HHKB is not that expensive. Your wallet will be fine, hhkb is the perfect keyboard.
It is almost perfect. It does need better rubber feet ;)
Do not be confused, the lack of feet is not a mistake, it is all intentional: Having it moving around the desk all the time is part of its perfectness.
:)) :)) :))
Type softly and it won't move around. User error!
DELL sucks. HP sucks. They are soulless, faceless, profit-seeking, clueless companies that have no taste and do not know how to build quality products without compromises.
When you already control a market there's no need to innovate. Quantity over quality, unfortunately. :(
In my searches I found this..You don't need to have the perfect keyboard. Don't worry, be happy.
If you think a perfect keyboard exists in the first place, you will have lots of issues, mainly with the wallet.
HHKB is not that expensive. Your wallet will be fine, hhkb is the perfect keyboard.
It is almost perfect. It does need better rubber feet ;)
DELL sucks. HP sucks. They are soulless, faceless, profit-seeking, clueless companies that have no taste and do not know how to build quality products without compromises.
When you already control a market there's no need to innovate. Quantity over quality, unfortunately. :(
Sad but true.. :(
DELL sucks. HP sucks. They are soulless, faceless, profit-seeking, clueless companies that have no taste and do not know how to build quality products without compromises.
When you already control a market there's no need to innovate. Quantity over quality, unfortunately. :(
Sad but true.. :(
The Skylake (Gen6) iteration of the XPS 13 / 15 are rather fantastic IMO. For the past few generations, they've improved leaps and bounds.
Also, there's this:
http://www.anandtech.com/show/9923/dell-demonstrates-30inch-4k-oled-display
DELL sucks. HP sucks. They are soulless, faceless, profit-seeking, clueless companies that have no taste and do not know how to build quality products without compromises.
When you already control a market there's no need to innovate. Quantity over quality, unfortunately. :(
Sad but true.. :(
The Skylake (Gen6) iteration of the XPS 13 / 15 are rather fantastic IMO. For the past few generations, they've improved leaps and bounds.
Also, there's this:
http://www.anandtech.com/show/9923/dell-demonstrates-30inch-4k-oled-display
You don't need to have the perfect keyboard. Don't worry, be happy.
If you think a perfect keyboard exists in the first place, you will have lots of issues, mainly with the wallet.
HHKB is not that expensive. Your wallet will be fine, hhkb is the perfect keyboard.
It is almost perfect. It does need better rubber feet ;)
DELL sucks. HP sucks. They are soulless, faceless, profit-seeking, clueless companies that have no taste and do not know how to build quality products without compromises.
When you already control a market there's no need to innovate. Quantity over quality, unfortunately. :(
Sad but true.. :(
The Skylake (Gen6) iteration of the XPS 13 / 15 are rather fantastic IMO. For the past few generations, they've improved leaps and bounds.
Also, there's this:
http://www.anandtech.com/show/9923/dell-demonstrates-30inch-4k-oled-display
Not until you look closely. Go look for issues with the current gen XPS 13 / 15. Coil whine.. QC issues. Unsupportive customer service (at least in US). Same old same old.
As for the displays, I'm also underwhelmed. I use a U2713HM myself after careful research for months: great panel, same as in Apple Cinema Display and great uniformity.
But the latest panels (U2715*) have great uniformity issues (see TFTCentral). Why? They actually managed to DEGRADE the quality of their screens. This annoys me. The upside is they still do not use PWM.
People are even reporting displeasure with NEC and Eizo monitors these days, as well as their support... it's something plaguing the industry as a whole.i thought nec and eizo make professional grade monitors? if even they have issues, what can we expect from mainstream/consumer grade brands..
People are even reporting displeasure with NEC and Eizo monitors these days, as well as their support... it's something plaguing the industry as a whole.i thought nec and eizo make professional grade monitors? if even they have issues, what can we expect from mainstream/consumer grade brands..
Haha so many of these keyboards with what some manufacturers call “floating keys” like poker3, varmilo, magicforce. And I think people are actually desiring this look. So many fancy korean customs I see have this incomplete half case LOL. I wonder if it is a custom and it looks like that I really hope that it's just missing a top case or something and the owner has not yet gotten around to affording a top case yet? Are top cases even a thing?
(I dont know anything about customs because I've never desired programmability or all those other things)
Anyway so yeah I get the feeling some people are not realizing that it is obviously far cheaper for manufacturers to only produce half a case. “but look it's so cool you can see the side of the switches so other people will be curious about my keyboard and they can see that it's actually a mechanical one!”
Haha it looks terrible.
RGB/CMY mods are horrible and ruin a keyboard's aesthetics.
Pulse looks terrible, Midnight and Calm Depths too. Black and blue do not go well together people.
Deskthority Rounds are literally the most goregous SA sets ever constructed, why anyone else even bothers I will never know.
Pulse looks terrible, Midnight and Calm Depths too. Black and blue do not go well together people.
Deskthority Rounds are literally the most goregous SA sets ever constructed, why anyone else even bothers I will never know.
Pulse looks terrible, Midnight and Calm Depths too. Black and blue do not go well together people.
Deskthority Rounds are literally the most goregous SA sets ever constructed, why anyone else even bothers I will never know.
Opinions on aesthetics are neither unpopular nor popular, are just one of many likes or dislikes.
PC Monitors suck, PC Laptops suck overall. Every single alternative product has compromises in the wrong places IMHOyep, monitors released in the past 3-4 years are woefully imbalanced qualitywise. have you tried a high refresh rate screen?
Let's hear them.
I'll start off.
1. I hate 60% boards, and rarely use my Poker 2. The lack of arrow keys kills me, and I can never be productive or get serious work done on one.
2. I think HHKB boards are overrated, and the layout dumber than a Poker. I think custom MX, HHKB layout boards are just as stupid (Viper, Happy).
3. I think Topre is overrated, and lower quality than MX (despite the higher price) as the board tends to get stiffer over time.
People are even reporting displeasure with NEC and Eizo monitors these days, as well as their support... it's something plaguing the industry as a whole.i thought nec and eizo make professional grade monitors? if even they have issues, what can we expect from mainstream/consumer grade brands..
The rubber can probably dry out over time if the keyboard is used in a drier climate to begin with. I really don't think general usage is what causes the problem some people report.
@mobbo - why you breakin' my heart, man?People are even reporting displeasure with NEC and Eizo monitors these days, as well as their support... it's something plaguing the industry as a whole.i thought nec and eizo make professional grade monitors? if even they have issues, what can we expect from mainstream/consumer grade brands..
Yes, but many of them still use PWM, something that previously wasn't caught as a potential issue for some people. It's really only been in the past 4 years or so.
Professional monitors with defects will require support, too. This is where EIZO and NEC seem to be falling short compared to the past. I'm sure they are still far beyond other brands, but there's been a decline that cannot be ignored.
You don't need to have the perfect keyboard. Don't worry, be happy.
If you think a perfect keyboard exists in the first place, you will have lots of issues, mainly with the wallet.
HHKB is not that expensive. Your wallet will be fine, hhkb is the perfect keyboard.
HeathenYou don't need to have the perfect keyboard. Don't worry, be happy.
If you think a perfect keyboard exists in the first place, you will have lots of issues, mainly with the wallet.
HHKB is not that expensive. Your wallet will be fine, hhkb is the perfect keyboard.
Well, except that it needs function keys. And dedicated media keys. And split (6 on the left side). And tented. All in a single case. And the backspace on the number row. And the slash next to the brackets. And the Fn key on the left side. And Win/Meta/Super keys.
But other than that...
HeathenYou don't need to have the perfect keyboard. Don't worry, be happy.
If you think a perfect keyboard exists in the first place, you will have lots of issues, mainly with the wallet.
HHKB is not that expensive. Your wallet will be fine, hhkb is the perfect keyboard.
Well, except that it needs function keys. And dedicated media keys. And split (6 on the left side). And tented. All in a single case. And the backspace on the number row. And the slash next to the brackets. And the Fn key on the left side. And Win/Meta/Super keys.
But other than that...
PC Monitors suck, PC Laptops suck overall. Every single alternative product has compromises in the wrong places IMHOyep, monitors released in the past 3-4 years are woefully imbalanced qualitywise. have you tried a high refresh rate screen?
RGB/CMY mods are horrible and ruin a keyboard's aesthetics.
144hz(/165hz) + Gsync is the closest gaming experience I've felt to the CRTs of old.
The problem is getting a panel that isn't junk as has been discussed, but the above comment is why I kept trying.
Yum.RGB/CMY mods are horrible and ruin a keyboard's aesthetics.
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CMYW Dolch (https://flic.kr/p/qz1Cu7) by HoffmanMyster (https://www.flickr.com/photos/99522542@N03/), on Flickr
RGB/CMY mods are horrible and ruin a keyboard's aesthetics.
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CMYW Dolch (https://flic.kr/p/qz1Cu7) by HoffmanMyster (https://www.flickr.com/photos/99522542@N03/), on Flickr
RGB/CMY mods are horrible and ruin a keyboard's aesthetics.
:|Show Image(https://farm8.staticflickr.com/7624/16126129534_54a6ab3aa9_k.jpg)
CMYW Dolch (https://flic.kr/p/qz1Cu7) by HoffmanMyster (https://www.flickr.com/photos/99522542@N03/), on Flickr
I've had a BenQ XL2430T for the last year, and after some playing with the settings, it's one of the best looking panels I've ever owned. I don't even have G-sync.
RGB/CMY mods are horrible and ruin a keyboard's aesthetics.
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CMYW Dolch (https://flic.kr/p/qz1Cu7) by HoffmanMyster (https://www.flickr.com/photos/99522542@N03/), on Flickr
I recognize that cap puller :D
RGB/CMY mods are horrible and ruin a keyboard's aesthetics.
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CMYW Dolch (https://flic.kr/p/qz1Cu7) by HoffmanMyster (https://www.flickr.com/photos/99522542@N03/), on Flickr
I've had a BenQ XL2430T for the last year, and after some playing with the settings, it's one of the best looking panels I've ever owned. I don't even have G-sync.
i've heard complaints about IPS's lackluster (if not downright horrendous) black levels. does that impact your color-dependent work?
oh man.. compromises everywhere
I've had a BenQ XL2430T for the last year, and after some playing with the settings, it's one of the best looking panels I've ever owned. I don't even have G-sync.
Here is an unpopular keyboard.Show Image(http://images17.newegg.com/is/image/newegg/23-166-156-TS?$S640$)
I will try to stay on track next time, thank you for that.Here is an unpopular keyboard.Show Image(http://images17.newegg.com/is/image/newegg/23-166-156-TS?$S640$)
Not an opinion but that is a disgusting keyboard.
Here is an unpopular keyboard.How the hell did you find this ugly keyboard?Show Image(http://images17.newegg.com/is/image/newegg/23-166-156-TS?$S640$)
Here is an unpopular keyboard.How the hell did you find this ugly keyboard?Show Image(http://images17.newegg.com/is/image/newegg/23-166-156-TS?$S640$)
Here is an unpopular keyboard.Show Image(http://images17.newegg.com/is/image/newegg/23-166-156-TS?$S640$)
When did this become the unpopular monitor thread? :p
Here is an unpopular keyboard.Show Image(http://images17.newegg.com/is/image/newegg/23-166-156-TS?$S640$)
Hehe, my keyboard looks the same, it just doesn't have the yellow key caps and giant legends. The Adesso keyboard I have now uses a slider and giant rubber dome combination. No springs, and the key caps are the sliders, while the board mimics a switch housing. Very strange indeed.Here is an unpopular keyboard.How the hell did you find this ugly keyboard?Show Image(http://images17.newegg.com/is/image/newegg/23-166-156-TS?$S640$)
If I had to guess, I'd say it is one of those keyboards with the big ass legends for old people who can't see very well :P
Hehe, my keyboard looks the same, it just doesn't have the yellow key caps and giant legends. The keyboard I have uses a slider and giant rubber dome combination. No springs, and the key caps are the sliders, while the board mimics a switch housing. Very strange indeed.Here is an unpopular keyboard.How the hell did you find this ugly keyboard?Show Image(http://images17.newegg.com/is/image/newegg/23-166-156-TS?$S640$)
If I had to guess, I'd say it is one of those keyboards with the big ass legends for old people who can't see very well :P
I know there are a lot of older keyboards that have big bright lettering and key's that are designed for either young children or older people with eye problems that use white alps.I didn't know they were an as seen on tv product, but now that I think of it, that makes total sense. I couldn't understand why wholesalers where selling lots of ten at a time (the yellow key cap boards). The rubber domes in mine will shift if you shake the board or drop it, very annoying, but I needed something to replace a broken board asap. Upgrading is going to be a experience
But i'm pretty sure this specific one is one of the as seen on tv keyboards that they were selling for quite a few years for like 15- 20 USD and the build quality was horrible with horrible rubber domes, but there are some decent boards out there that look similar.
ABS >= PBT
*ducks*
ABS >= PBT
*ducks*
A lot of us agree with this. I mean GMK and SP SA caps are some of the most popular ones out there. :thumb:
ABS >= PBT
*ducks*
A lot of us agree with this. I mean GMK and SP SA caps are some of the most popular ones out there. :thumb:
I was going to say this, I prefer it because of how flexible it is keyset wise.
I know there are a lot of older keyboards that have big bright lettering and key's that are designed for either young children or older people with eye problems that use white alps.I didn't know they were an as seen on tv product, but now that I think of it, that makes total sense. I couldn't understand why wholesalers where selling lots of ten at a time (the yellow key cap boards). The rubber domes in mine will shift if you shake the board or drop it, very annoying, but I needed something to replace a broken board asap. Upgrading is going to be a experience
But i'm pretty sure this specific one is one of the as seen on tv keyboards that they were selling for quite a few years for like 15- 20 USD and the build quality was horrible with horrible rubber domes, but there are some decent boards out there that look similar.
ABS >= PBT
*ducks*
A lot of us agree with this. I mean GMK and SP SA caps are some of the most popular ones out there. :thumb:
I was going to say this, I prefer it because of how flexible it is keyset wise.
Haha, ok so the kids get the keyboard, a rubber dome is shifted around so a key wont register and the parents RMA the board. Nice :eek:I know there are a lot of older keyboards that have big bright lettering and key's that are designed for either young children or older people with eye problems that use white alps.I didn't know they were an as seen on tv product, but now that I think of it, that makes total sense. I couldn't understand why wholesalers where selling lots of ten at a time (the yellow key cap boards). The rubber domes in mine will shift if you shake the board or drop it, very annoying, but I needed something to replace a broken board asap. Upgrading is going to be a experience
But i'm pretty sure this specific one is one of the as seen on tv keyboards that they were selling for quite a few years for like 15- 20 USD and the build quality was horrible with horrible rubber domes, but there are some decent boards out there that look similar.
Here is the one im thinking of, im pretty sure there are a few revisions, i found a few at a dollar store last year but didn't even consider getting one.... maybe i should have for $1
ABS >= PBT
*ducks*
A lot of us agree with this. I mean GMK and SP SA caps are some of the most popular ones out there. :thumb:
I was going to say this, I prefer it because of how flexible it is keyset wise.
I generally think they feel and look better than PBT.
ABS >= PBT
*ducks*
A lot of us agree with this. I mean GMK and SP SA caps are some of the most popular ones out there. :thumb:
I was going to say this, I prefer it because of how flexible it is keyset wise.
I generally think they feel and look better than PBT.
But..but... the shine!
Does it ever feel clean though? The texture abs caps develop over time is what usually bothers meABS >= PBT
*ducks*
A lot of us agree with this. I mean GMK and SP SA caps are some of the most popular ones out there. :thumb:
I was going to say this, I prefer it because of how flexible it is keyset wise.
I generally think they feel and look better than PBT.
But..but... the shine!
The shine on OG ABS double shots are like aging for a good wine, it just makes them far better.
ABS >= PBT
*ducks*
A lot of us agree with this. I mean GMK and SP SA caps are some of the most popular ones out there. :thumb:
Does it ever feel clean though? The texture abs caps develop over time is what usually bothers meABS >= PBT
*ducks*
A lot of us agree with this. I mean GMK and SP SA caps are some of the most popular ones out there. :thumb:
I was going to say this, I prefer it because of how flexible it is keyset wise.
I generally think they feel and look better than PBT.
But..but... the shine!
The shine on OG ABS double shots are like aging for a good wine, it just makes them far better.
Does it ever feel clean though? The texture abs caps develop over time is what usually bothers meABS >= PBT
*ducks*
A lot of us agree with this. I mean GMK and SP SA caps are some of the most popular ones out there. :thumb:
I was going to say this, I prefer it because of how flexible it is keyset wise.
I generally think they feel and look better than PBT.
But..but... the shine!
The shine on OG ABS double shots are like aging for a good wine, it just makes them far better.
The OG Cherry sets I own have smooth surface that do not keep too much dirty, while PBT ones tend to keep along with the oils of your hand, so I think ABS is far better in that regard; at least, in my experience.
ABS >= PBT
*ducks*
A lot of us agree with this. I mean GMK and SP SA caps are some of the most popular ones out there. :thumb:
I was going to say this, I prefer it because of how flexible it is keyset wise.
I generally think they feel and look better than PBT.
But..but... the shine!
The shine on OG ABS double shots are like aging for a good wine, it just makes them far better.
ABS >= PBT
*ducks*
A lot of us agree with this. I mean GMK and SP SA caps are some of the most popular ones out there. :thumb:
I was going to say this, I prefer it because of how flexible it is keyset wise.
I generally think they feel and look better than PBT.
But..but... the shine!
The shine on OG ABS double shots are like aging for a good wine, it just makes them far better.
This is one thing I'll never understand. Shine on ABS makes it feel like absolute dog****.
I think the Ducky Year of the Goat with MX Browns, 262,144 BRIGHT colors (64 levels of R, G, B per channel maximum, 8 levels by tapping once=512 colors), and SPARKLING BRIGHT BEAUTIFUL lovely colors on those doubleshot white keycaps with the reflections is the BEST KEYBOARD in the world!
Nothing lights the world up like COLORS do.
Top that!!
I honestly like the texture on ABS caps, even after a good bit of use
ABS >= PBT
*ducks*
A lot of us agree with this. I mean GMK and SP SA caps are some of the most popular ones out there. :thumb:
I was going to say this, I prefer it because of how flexible it is keyset wise.
I generally think they feel and look better than PBT.
But..but... the shine!
The shine on OG ABS double shots are like aging for a good wine, it just makes them far better.
This is one thing I'll never understand. Shine on ABS makes it feel like absolute dog****.
I have this old desko set with 100% shine and no texture - its ****ing awful to the touch
Pad printing > laser etching.
If it's done halfway decently, it doesn't wear off or fade even after more than a decade of use. Laser etching, on the other hand, usually starts to fade within a week.
Also: Getting really sick of minimalism as an aesthetic. It doesn't look good, just bleak, depressing, and inhuman. Enough with it already!
Pad printing > laser etching.
If it's done halfway decently, it doesn't wear off or fade even after more than a decade of use. Laser etching, on the other hand, usually starts to fade within a week.
Also: Getting really sick of minimalism as an aesthetic. It doesn't look good, just bleak, depressing, and inhuman. Enough with it already!
I like DSA a lot more than SA. :thumb:
I know there are a lot of older keyboards that have big bright lettering and key's that are designed for either young children or older people with eye problems that use white alps.I didn't know they were an as seen on tv product, but now that I think of it, that makes total sense. I couldn't understand why wholesalers where selling lots of ten at a time (the yellow key cap boards). The rubber domes in mine will shift if you shake the board or drop it, very annoying, but I needed something to replace a broken board asap. Upgrading is going to be a experience
But i'm pretty sure this specific one is one of the as seen on tv keyboards that they were selling for quite a few years for like 15- 20 USD and the build quality was horrible with horrible rubber domes, but there are some decent boards out there that look similar.
Here is the one im thinking of, im pretty sure there are a few revisions, i found a few at a dollar store last year but didn't even consider getting one.... maybe i should have for $1
I like DSA a lot more than SA. :thumb:
Ha!I know there are a lot of older keyboards that have big bright lettering and key's that are designed for either young children or older people with eye problems that use white alps.I didn't know they were an as seen on tv product, but now that I think of it, that makes total sense. I couldn't understand why wholesalers where selling lots of ten at a time (the yellow key cap boards). The rubber domes in mine will shift if you shake the board or drop it, very annoying, but I needed something to replace a broken board asap. Upgrading is going to be a experience
But i'm pretty sure this specific one is one of the as seen on tv keyboards that they were selling for quite a few years for like 15- 20 USD and the build quality was horrible with horrible rubber domes, but there are some decent boards out there that look similar.
Here is the one im thinking of, im pretty sure there are a few revisions, i found a few at a dollar store last year but didn't even consider getting one.... maybe i should have for $1
free mouse!
Vintage Black switches are better than Purple Tactile Zealios? That's about all I got.Wait wait, vintage black are linear and zeal purple are tactile
I think what he means is that that's how some of the logic in this thread has gone on a random illogical tangent...Oh hahaha
ABS >= PBT
*ducks*
A lot of us agree with this. I mean GMK and SP SA caps are some of the most popular ones out there. :thumb:
I was going to say this, I prefer it because of how flexible it is keyset wise.
I generally think they feel and look better than PBT.
But..but... the shine!
The shine on OG ABS double shots are like aging for a good wine, it just makes them far better.
This is one thing I'll never understand. Shine on ABS makes it feel like absolute dog****.
ABS >= PBT
*ducks*
A lot of us agree with this. I mean GMK and SP SA caps are some of the most popular ones out there. :thumb:
I was going to say this, I prefer it because of how flexible it is keyset wise.
I generally think they feel and look better than PBT.
But..but... the shine!
The shine on OG ABS double shots are like aging for a good wine, it just makes them far better.
This is one thing I'll never understand. Shine on ABS makes it feel like absolute dog****.
Easy. Any too old wine tastes like piss too.
Minimalism isn't always done very well... for example, the HHKB Pro 2 has empty bottom corners. Many claim it's "minimalist" because of this but waste (space) goes against the fundamental principles of minimalism.
But did you usually use that side of the keys? Cause its kind of pointless using more keys in the bottom row when its all perfect on hhkb.Minimalism isn't always done very well... for example, the HHKB Pro 2 has empty bottom corners. Many claim it's "minimalist" because of this but waste (space) goes against the fundamental principles of minimalism.
Completely agree with you. I'd buy one in a heartbeat if it had keys in the corners. Just seems so unnecessary to have nothing there.
Minimalism isn't always done very well... for example, the HHKB Pro 2 has empty bottom corners. Many claim it's "minimalist" because of this but waste (space) goes against the fundamental principles of minimalism.
Completely agree with you. I'd buy one in a heartbeat if it had keys in the corners. Just seems so unnecessary to have nothing there.
iso is meme layoutYes to the first.
why does mx blue exist
MX Blues were created to annoy friends, co-workers, and loved ones. They were designed to destroy relationships, and maybe even lives.
iso is meme layoutYes to the first.
why does mx blue exist
MX Blues were created to annoy friends, co-workers, and loved ones. They were designed to destroy relationships, and maybe even lives.
iso is meme layoutYes to the first.
why does mx blue exist
MX Blues were created to annoy friends, co-workers, and loved ones. They were designed to destroy relationships, and maybe even lives.
Then what were Greens created for, to destroy the few remaining relationships that could stand listening to Blues?
But did you usually use that side of the keys? Cause its kind of pointless using more keys in the bottom row when its all perfect on hhkb.Minimalism isn't always done very well... for example, the HHKB Pro 2 has empty bottom corners. Many claim it's "minimalist" because of this but waste (space) goes against the fundamental principles of minimalism.
Completely agree with you. I'd buy one in a heartbeat if it had keys in the corners. Just seems so unnecessary to have nothing there.
iso is meme layoutYes to the first.
why does mx blue exist
MX Blues were created to annoy friends, co-workers, and loved ones. They were designed to destroy relationships, and maybe even lives.
Then what were Greens created for, to destroy the few remaining relationships that could stand listening to Blues?
Pretty much. And for strong people. I've tried greens. I cried, then I sold the board.
Anyways, my point is that the layout is far from perfect and having these spaces simply go unused kind of makes it less appealing to some people. It wouldn't hurt to give a little more option in how the board is set up so that it works for more people.
Anyways, my point is that the layout is far from perfect and having these spaces simply go unused kind of makes it less appealing to some people. It wouldn't hurt to give a little more option in how the board is set up so that it works for more people.
Honestly the layout is a big turn off. The unused spaces seem inefficient. Yes, I typed on a Model M for years, but that was before I discovered there was this this whole world of keyboard enthusiasts. My eyes were opened to completely custom creations, and now that I've gone down that road, I can't really turn back. If it was going to bother trying out a HHKB, it would be simply to try Topre. In the end, I'd just be annoyed that I would have to replace the controller with Hasu's programmable one, and then even after I programmed it to my liking, it would bother me to have those empty blank areas that I could have put to use.
I am safely in Unpopular Keyboard Opinions, right?
Where's the Realforce love?! For the love of all that is holy?!Anyways, my point is that the layout is far from perfect and having these spaces simply go unused kind of makes it less appealing to some people. It wouldn't hurt to give a little more option in how the board is set up so that it works for more people.
Honestly the layout is a big turn off. The unused spaces seem inefficient. Yes, I typed on a Model M for years, but that was before I discovered there was this this whole world of keyboard enthusiasts. My eyes were opened to completely custom creations, and now that I've gone down that road, I can't really turn back. If it was going to bother trying out a HHKB, it would be simply to try Topre. In the end, I'd just be annoyed that I would have to replace the controller with Hasu's programmable one, and then even after I programmed it to my liking, it would bother me to have those empty blank areas that I could have put to use.
I am safely in Unpopular Keyboard Opinions, right?
Yes, until the Topre Squad sees this. Then u ded
Sure you are.Anyways, my point is that the layout is far from perfect and having these spaces simply go unused kind of makes it less appealing to some people. It wouldn't hurt to give a little more option in how the board is set up so that it works for more people.
Honestly the layout is a big turn off. The unused spaces seem inefficient. Yes, I typed on a Model M for years, but that was before I discovered there was this this whole world of keyboard enthusiasts. My eyes were opened to completely custom creations, and now that I've gone down that road, I can't really turn back. If it was going to bother trying out a HHKB, it would be simply to try Topre. In the end, I'd just be annoyed that I would have to replace the controller with Hasu's programmable one, and then even after I programmed it to my liking, it would bother me to have those empty blank areas that I could have put to use.
I am safely in Unpopular Keyboard Opinions, right?
Sure you are.Anyways, my point is that the layout is far from perfect and having these spaces simply go unused kind of makes it less appealing to some people. It wouldn't hurt to give a little more option in how the board is set up so that it works for more people.
Honestly the layout is a big turn off. The unused spaces seem inefficient. Yes, I typed on a Model M for years, but that was before I discovered there was this this whole world of keyboard enthusiasts. My eyes were opened to completely custom creations, and now that I've gone down that road, I can't really turn back. If it was going to bother trying out a HHKB, it would be simply to try Topre. In the end, I'd just be annoyed that I would have to replace the controller with Hasu's programmable one, and then even after I programmed it to my liking, it would bother me to have those empty blank areas that I could have put to use.
I am safely in Unpopular Keyboard Opinions, right?
You know what else seems inefficient? Model M. Ctrl keys buried in hard-to-reach corners, Backspace in another corner, and over 40 distant keys on top of it.
Assuming, that you have the pinkie in the corner in the first place, or move it all the way down there. It depends how you type in the first place (or if you even type and don't only use those chords outside typing).You know what else seems inefficient? Model M. Ctrl keys buried in hard-to-reach corners, Backspace in another corner, and over 40 distant keys on top of it.
Sure, but you can press any key with one hand.
I still prefer the Ctrl key in the lower left because I'm often using Ctrl+ZXCVAS. My pinky is already much shorter than my other fingers... So it's awkward to have it on a row further away while curling my other fingers.
Ideally it would be where the Shift key is but that's taken.
Assuming, that you have the pinkie in the corner in the first place, or move it all the way down there. It depends how you type in the first place (or if you even type and don't only use those chords outside typing).You know what else seems inefficient? Model M. Ctrl keys buried in hard-to-reach corners, Backspace in another corner, and over 40 distant keys on top of it.
Sure, but you can press any key with one hand.
I still prefer the Ctrl key in the lower left because I'm often using Ctrl+ZXCVAS. My pinky is already much shorter than my other fingers... So it's awkward to have it on a row further away while curling my other fingers.
Ideally it would be where the Shift key is but that's taken.
Those shortcuts were originally designed for Mac OS and involved the Command key. Arguably, that was better than Ctrl in the corner. Both Model M and HHKB have too large spacebars. >_<
I'm not too happy with the HHKB layout either. C-Z or C-X C-S are awkward. Ctrl in the corner isn't a solution though. It'd be much better, if there was another Ctrl key in place of Enter (with Enter shifted one row higher)… but in the end, the large spacebar strikes again. >_<
The HHKB layout was taken directly from Old Sun UNIX keyboards, the empty spaces were only a way to shorten the space bar. I do not like it in general, because I think the standard ANSI is just the right one for me, but the empty spaces make the one unit keys very usable; besides, in the world of a Sun Unix Sixty Percent Keyboard those keys were not needed at all.Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/Hke5oUu.jpg)
It might not be the ideal solution but having a caps lock in the bottom corner that could be swapped for Control would certainly help out some people who prefer it that way and you lose nothing by doing it (except aesthetics).Caps Lock Must Die
What do you think of embedding the Home/End/PgUp/PgDn navigation under the same keys as the arrows? The current right diamond key would enable that layer. My own hand falls perfectly with my thumb on right diamond, pinky on Function, and index/middle fingers on the current arrow cluster. It would give all your navigation very quickly and with extremely little hand movement.I find the Fn layer on HHKB ridiculous by itself, arrows included. Actually, especially the arrows, because it's the only part I ever use, other than a rare F11/F12. But if your fingers fit there (mine don't), I guess it's alright.
SA profile is horrible and meme
SA profile is horrible and meme
SA sucks, the overuse of the word meme sucks equally as much.
SA profile is horrible and meme
SA sucks, the overuse of the word meme sucks equally as much.
But I just got into the meme trend :'(
To be honest I don't even know what it means. In the context of my message I believe it means "a joke"?
SA profile is horrible and meme
SA sucks, the overuse of the word meme sucks equally as much.
But I just got into the meme trend :'(
To be honest I don't even know what it means. In the context of my message I believe it means "a joke"?
Google if your friend.
"Meme -
- an element of a culture or system of behavior that may be considered to be passed from one individual to another by nongenetic means, especially imitation.
- a humorous image, video, piece of text, etc. that is copied (often with slight variations) and spread rapidly by Internet users."
meme = joke the same way that someone says something you don't agree with = trolling
geekhack more like geekwhack
I don't remember what that is from though but my favorite quote :-*
geekhack more like geekwhack
I don't remember what that is from though but my favorite quote :-*
geekhack more like geekwhack
I don't remember what that is from though but my favorite quote :-*
geekwhack is from Ripster.
gg
geekhack more like geekwhack
I don't remember what that is from though but my favorite quote :-*
geekwhack is from Ripster.
gg
ripster what I cutie pie
These are supposed to be keyboard opinions...
These are supposed to be keyboard opinions...
TOY STORY 2 WAS OKAY
These are supposed to be keyboard opinions...
When Andy drove away.. Man, that was too much. :'(These are supposed to be keyboard opinions...
TOY STORY 2 WAS OKAY
TOY STORY 3 BROUGHT A TEAR TO MY EYE
These are supposed to be keyboard opinions...
TOY STORY 2 WAS OKAY
These are supposed to be keyboard opinions...
Speaking of that, I ****ing hate my poker at the minute, switches are too hard and ping like a ****er, low quality (at least mine is) build and the ****ing form factor is annoying as hell.
These are supposed to be keyboard opinions...
Speaking of that, I ****ing hate my poker at the minute, switches are too hard and ping like a ****er, low quality (at least mine is) build and the ****ing form factor is annoying as hell.
Could the ping be from the case? Try using it on a desk mat.
These are supposed to be keyboard opinions...
Speaking of that, I ****ing hate my poker at the minute, switches are too hard and ping like a ****er, low quality (at least mine is) build and the ****ing form factor is annoying as hell.
Could the ping be from the case? Try using it on a desk mat.
Muffles it but I use it for college too so carry around a desk mat isn't so practical :))
Topre is great, but you buy £50 worth of keyboard and £100 worth of post-purchase rationalisation.
Topre is great, but you buy £50 worth of keyboard and £100 worth of post-purchase rationalisation.
Consumer's remorse.
When Andy drove away.. Man, that was too much. :'(These are supposed to be keyboard opinions...
TOY STORY 2 WAS OKAY
TOY STORY 3 BROUGHT A TEAR TO MY EYE
When Andy drove away.. Man, that was too much. :'(These are supposed to be keyboard opinions...
TOY STORY 2 WAS OKAY
TOY STORY 3 BROUGHT A TEAR TO MY EYE
Damnit, use spoiler tags.
Bastards.
When Andy drove away.. Man, that was too much. :'(These are supposed to be keyboard opinions...
TOY STORY 2 WAS OKAY
TOY STORY 3 BROUGHT A TEAR TO MY EYE
Damnit, use spoiler tags.
Bastards.
Romeo and Juliet both die, Leonardo DiCaprio was in a dream the entire time, Vader is Luke's father, Cameron ruins his father's Ferrari, Nemo is reunited with his dad.
Oh wait I forgot the spoiler tags, whoops.
MX Blues were created to annoy friends, co-workers, and loved ones. They were designed to destroy relationships, and maybe even lives.
Then what were Greens created for, to destroy the few remaining relationships that could stand listening to Blues?
Pretty much. And for strong people. I've tried greens. I cried, then I sold the board.
i like leaving pizza grease on my keyboard. it gives me that extra boost in speed needed in this competitive world of typing really fast.
My Realforce keyboard has biased me against my other boards to the point where I may prefer typing on the Apple wired aluminum keyboard to MX Clears.Chipotle name and cherry. If you were a woman id ask you to marry me.
i like leaving pizza grease on my keyboard. it gives me that extra boost in speed needed in this competitive world of typing really fast.
are you seious
Toy Story 3 was bad and not needed. Fite meThese are supposed to be keyboard opinions...
TOY STORY 2 WAS OKAY
TOY STORY 3 BROUGHT A TEAR TO MY EYE
Toy Story 3 was bad and not needed. Fite meThese are supposed to be keyboard opinions...
TOY STORY 2 WAS OKAY
TOY STORY 3 BROUGHT A TEAR TO MY EYE
indefatigable
I think this is debatable.
the reason hhkb is garbage isn't topre itself, it's the fn layout and the fact it's not programmable stock.
Actually any 300$+ keyboard that is not programmable is trash
HHKB is programmable with dip switches. You can't change every key, but it's not purely stock.
HHKB is programmable with dip switches. You can't change every key, but it's not purely stock.
Not to mention that if you've spent $300 on your HHKB it probably has a hasu controller. ;) Unless you live in the EU and didn't proxy it, I suppose.
carbon fiber on a keyboard looks bad
Carbon fibre [...] it's just not a sensible material to be using in the first place
it's already been done.RIP johnny depp
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Carbon fibre [...] it's just not a sensible material to be using in the first place
Disagree, you get a lof of features from it, compared to steel, alu or plastic.
- lots of stiffness
- thin
- lightweight
- chemically resistant
Agreed it looks fugly, why don't people paint it over is beyond me.
Heard a reason that the paint increases the weight of the thing, which is wtf really.
In other news:
good scissors > mechanical switches
spring-modded Cherry G81 is awesome.
Carbon fibre [...] it's just not a sensible material to be using in the first place
Disagree, you get a lof of features from it, compared to steel, alu or plastic.
- lots of stiffness
- thin
- lightweight
- chemically resistant
Agreed it looks fugly, why don't people paint it over is beyond me.
Heard a reason that the paint increases the weight of the thing, which is wtf really.
In other news:
good scissors > mechanical switches
spring-modded Cherry G81 is awesome.
I see weight as a good thing for a keyboard to have- the heft makes it more solid on the desk. I guess this is one of the reasons that people like heavy steel plates so much.
Carbon fibre [...] it's just not a sensible material to be using in the first place
Disagree, you get a lof of features from it, compared to steel, alu or plastic.
- lots of stiffness
- thin
- lightweight
- chemically resistant
Agreed it looks fugly, why don't people paint it over is beyond me.
Heard a reason that the paint increases the weight of the thing, which is wtf really.
In other news:
good scissors > mechanical switches
spring-modded Cherry G81 is awesome.
I see weight as a good thing for a keyboard to have- the heft makes it more solid on the desk. I guess this is one of the reasons that people like heavy steel plates so much.
I don't know if you've noticed but most CF cases are 60% boards since those boards are the best for travel. The lighter the board the better if you need to toss it into your backpack and go to travel anywhere.
That's why they made the hhkb. That thing is light as hell and portable. not only that the japs designed a special traveling case for the hhkb
That's why they made the hhkb. That thing is light as hell and portable. not only that the japs designed a special traveling case for the hhkb
but sometimes people don't want to use **** switches...
That's why they made the hhkb. That thing is light as hell and portable. not only that the japs designed a special traveling case for the hhkb
HHKB is programmable with dip switches. You can't change every key, but it's not purely stock.
Not to mention that if you've spent $300 on your HHKB it probably has a hasu controller. ;) Unless you live in the EU and didn't proxy it, I suppose.
carbon fiber on a keyboard looks badI am OK with things made of carbon fiber if there are engineering reasons for it, but if it isn't made of carbon fiber then it should not look like carbon fiber.
RIP johnny deppHe isn't dead! But with the bad luck we have had this year so far with celeb deaths... *knocks on wood*
HHKB is programmable with dip switches. You can't change every key, but it's not purely stock.
Not to mention that if you've spent $300 on your HHKB it probably has a hasu controller. ;) Unless you live in the EU and didn't proxy it, I suppose.
Living in the EU is horror to buy anything from outside the EU. They aftertax you AND have you buy for electronics import although legally you shouldnt'. My 87U was 80 dolllars more expensive because of that.
Sky Dolch looks better than expected
Sky Dolch looks better than expected
Sky Dolch looks better than expected
i wish they'd stop with -name- dolch. it's so over done
Sky Dolch looks better than expected
I still wouldn't get it. It hurts to look at the legends.
Sky Dolch looks better than expected
i wish they'd stop with -name- dolch. it's so over done
Sky Dolch looks better than expectedman you need to stop buying all them plastic! I know you want to buy the sky dolch
can we update the OP with popular unpopular opinions just so everyone can stop posting the same 5 things?
can we update the OP with popular unpopular opinions just so everyone can stop posting the same 5 things?
can we update the OP with popular unpopular opinions just so everyone can stop posting the same 5 things?
But then we lose loads of content!
On an unrelated note, artisans are too expensive, the HHKB looks silly and Razer make good products.
:rolleyes:
That's why they made the hhkb. That thing is light as hell and portable. not only that the japs designed a special traveling case for the hhkb
but sometimes people don't want to use **** switches...
Ive honestly never seen the purpose of having such a big spacebar. Looking at all of my old keyboards and their wear points, I strike the spacebar in just about the same place every time. Even if I also used my left thumb (which I dont), I would still strike just left of center, which leaves the majority of the spacebar in 'never strike' category. A shorter spacebar has better balance and stability to it.
I feel like the only reason why people would complain about having a non-standard spacebar size would be because of the lack of keycap set compatibility.
Ive honestly never seen the purpose of having such a big spacebar. Looking at all of my old keyboards and their wear points, I strike the spacebar in just about the same place every time. Even if I also used my left thumb (which I dont), I would still strike just left of center, which leaves the majority of the spacebar in 'never strike' category. A shorter spacebar has better balance and stability to it.
I feel like the only reason why people would complain about having a non-standard spacebar size would be because of the lack of keycap set compatibility.
I had an olympus digital voice recorder for lectures. I guess other people have different methods.That's why they made the hhkb. That thing is light as hell and portable. not only that the japs designed a special traveling case for the hhkb
but sometimes people don't want to use **** switches...
Yo I think you have a typo
Why do you some of you take your keyboards to class? I face palm when I see people do this
Here's why 5.5u spacebar is better than 6.25u:
1) It doesn't turn non-standard compact boards into a mess. Be it 40%, 66% or 65/75%, it "just werks".
2) It works with other spacebars that are made making increasing the numbers of layouts easier. Add 1.5u, you get 7u(Alps or MX), remove 1.5u, you get 4u(MX).
3) It splits nicely. You either get 1.25u-1.5u-1.5u-1.25u, two 2.75u's or two 2.25u's with a space for a trackpoint in the middle(forgot which custom board did the last one but it exists)
4) It's available for Alps and doesn't have the stabilizer problem with 6.25u Alps spacebars. And it exists for MX mount too(Noppoo Choc Mini).
5) Hardly anybody presses the spacebar on it's edges, so most people won't miss the 6.25u when using 5.5u
Ive honestly never seen the purpose of having such a big spacebar. Looking at all of my old keyboards and their wear points, I strike the spacebar in just about the same place every time. Even if I also used my left thumb (which I dont), I would still strike just left of center, which leaves the majority of the spacebar in 'never strike' category. A shorter spacebar has better balance and stability to it.
I feel like the only reason why people would complain about having a non-standard spacebar size would be because of the lack of keycap set compatibility.
I always hit space almost directly on top of a stepped Cherry spacebar switch location. It's so consistent I should just roll a 1U or 2U cap.
big ass enter keys.
big ass enter keys.
+1 for this.
Sick of the pyramid of death (/\) at the end of URLs with ANSI enter. Or random \ at the end of chat lines.
rerunning sets is a complete waste of time
rerunning sets is a complete waste of time
Yeah, sure, tell Matt that he wasted his time running the Granite four times with thousands of sets sold.
Its a waste of time because it stifles creativityHow? Running the same set multiple times isn't stopping anyone from making new sets
clogs up production lines with stuff that's already been doneDo you really think a company like SP doesn't have the capacity to run multiple sets at the same time? It's literally their entire business.
Its a waste of time because it stifles creativityHow? Running the same set multiple times isn't stopping anyone from making new setsclogs up production lines with stuff that's already been doneDo you really think a company like SP doesn't have the capacity to run multiple sets at the same time? It's literally their entire business.
Its a waste of time because it stifles creativityHow? Running the same set multiple times isn't stopping anyone from making new setsclogs up production lines with stuff that's already been doneDo you really think a company like SP doesn't have the capacity to run multiple sets at the same time? It's literally their entire business.
The fact that the wait for an SA set is 6 months now compared to 2-3 months this time last year says that it does slow down production
I also don't like it because it literally kills the financial and non financial value of sets
Its a waste of time because it stifles creativityHow? Running the same set multiple times isn't stopping anyone from making new setsclogs up production lines with stuff that's already been doneDo you really think a company like SP doesn't have the capacity to run multiple sets at the same time? It's literally their entire business.
The fact that the wait for an SA set is 6 months now compared to 2-3 months this time last year says that it does slow down production
I also don't like it because it literally kills the financial and non financial value of sets
How many repeat SA sets even are there? Besides Pulse, which I'm not sure has even started?
Also, I rarely see sets sell for more than they were bought for (besides OTD stuff). The value of a set basically is consistent with retail price. And what the hell is non-financial value? Sentimental?
Its a waste of time because it stifles creativityHow? Running the same set multiple times isn't stopping anyone from making new setsclogs up production lines with stuff that's already been doneDo you really think a company like SP doesn't have the capacity to run multiple sets at the same time? It's literally their entire business.
The fact that the wait for an SA set is 6 months now compared to 2-3 months this time last year says that it does slow down production
I also don't like it because it literally kills the financial and non financial value of sets
How many repeat SA sets even are there? Besides Pulse, which I'm not sure has even started?
Also, I rarely see sets sell for more than they were bought for (besides OTD stuff). The value of a set basically is consistent with retail price. And what the hell is non-financial value? Sentimental?
Jukebox is about to start, so is 1976. Pulse is supposedly going to keep running over and over.
Yeah I think there is sentimental value in owning something run at a certain point in the same way that older members are way more likely to have clacks or KBKs
Its a waste of time because it stifles creativityHow? Running the same set multiple times isn't stopping anyone from making new setsclogs up production lines with stuff that's already been doneDo you really think a company like SP doesn't have the capacity to run multiple sets at the same time? It's literally their entire business.
The fact that the wait for an SA set is 6 months now compared to 2-3 months this time last year says that it does slow down production
I also don't like it because it literally kills the financial and non financial value of sets
How many repeat SA sets even are there? Besides Pulse, which I'm not sure has even started?
Also, I rarely see sets sell for more than they were bought for (besides OTD stuff). The value of a set basically is consistent with retail price. And what the hell is non-financial value? Sentimental?
Jukebox is about to start, so is 1976. Pulse is supposedly going to keep running over and over.
Yeah I think there is sentimental value in owning something run at a certain point in the same way that older members are way more likely to have clacks or KBKs
Guess I don't follow SA enough to speak on that then. Has there been any change in times with DCS or DSA? (honestly don't know)
With this, I also think the rarity factor is nice with artisans caps that there may be less than 10 of, but I really don't see it with a keyset that 100+ people already have that's going to spread around.
Nowhere near as active as SA - only sets apart from that CS themed DSA one that ran last year have been reruns (sanctuary, granite). Njbair ran a GB for DCS alps (but there isn't any other option really for alps)
Yeah I'm with you on the artisan caps - it's just when there are tons of interesting looking sets sitting around in IC status that MD isn't going to run because they can go with a sure thing they've run before it's a little disheartening
Yeah, now that I think about it Cherry and SA have basically been the only things run. Honestly I think the bigger problem is the sheer number of different ICs going on. Numbers get spread too thing between them. But honestly, a re-run just might be substantially more well-received than any possible sets running at the time.
Ive honestly never seen the purpose of having such a big spacebar. Looking at all of my old keyboards and their wear points, I strike the spacebar in just about the same place every time. Even if I also used my left thumb (which I dont), I would still strike just left of center, which leaves the majority of the spacebar in 'never strike' category. A shorter spacebar has better balance and stability to it.
I feel like the only reason why people would complain about having a non-standard spacebar size would be because of the lack of keycap set compatibility.
I always hit space almost directly on top of a stepped Cherry spacebar switch location. It's so consistent I should just roll a 1U or 2U cap.
I agree. 6.25u for a single key is just a huge waste of Space.
2) It works with other spacebars that are made making increasing the numbers of layouts easier. Add 1.5u, you get 7u(Alps or MX), remove 1.5u, you get 4u(MX).
3) It splits nicely. You either get 1.25u-1.5u-1.5u-1.25u, two 2.75u's or two 2.25u's with a space for a trackpoint in the middle(forgot which custom board did the last one but it exists)
Plus this is going to sound a bit silly but I kind of prefer a community where there are relatively small numbers of many many sets rather than just large numbers of a few sets
Otherwise it's pretty boring
rerunning sets is a complete waste of time
Yeah, sure, tell Matt that he wasted his time running the Granite four times with thousands of sets sold.
rerunning sets is a complete waste of time
Yeah, sure, tell Matt that he wasted his time running the Granite four times with thousands of sets sold.
Granite I see as a bit of a different beast, just because he changes a decent amount each round and there are a ton of child sets, its truly a DIY keyset from a design standpoint.
But I have to agree that rerunning tons of sets is sort of the opposite of what I think we want. As others have said, if the schedule just gets loaded with reruns bought by new people in the community, it will lead to less development of interesting sets.
I'll propose an alternate scenario:rerunning sets is a complete waste of time
Yeah, sure, tell Matt that he wasted his time running the Granite four times with thousands of sets sold.
Granite I see as a bit of a different beast, just because he changes a decent amount each round and there are a ton of child sets, its truly a DIY keyset from a design standpoint.
But I have to agree that rerunning tons of sets is sort of the opposite of what I think we want. As others have said, if the schedule just gets loaded with reruns bought by new people in the community, it will lead to less development of interesting sets.
The only part of new sets' development that is constraint is their manufacturing process, the actual design, community consultation and due diligence are all open to happen simultaneously at any time; therefore, let some designers run their sets as much as they want, as others are proposing new ideas. The only thing that can actually limit creativity is the community buying the same things once and again, instead of demanding more the innovative sets. Personally, I think that the Granite phenomenon happens because of the flexibility of the DSA profile, the material (many think that PBT is better) and the hype.
I'll propose an alternate scenario:rerunning sets is a complete waste of time
Yeah, sure, tell Matt that he wasted his time running the Granite four times with thousands of sets sold.
Granite I see as a bit of a different beast, just because he changes a decent amount each round and there are a ton of child sets, its truly a DIY keyset from a design standpoint.
But I have to agree that rerunning tons of sets is sort of the opposite of what I think we want. As others have said, if the schedule just gets loaded with reruns bought by new people in the community, it will lead to less development of interesting sets.
The only part of new sets' development that is constraint is their manufacturing process, the actual design, community consultation and due diligence are all open to happen simultaneously at any time; therefore, let some designers run their sets as much as they want, as others are proposing new ideas. The only thing that can actually limit creativity is the community buying the same things once and again, instead of demanding more the innovative sets. Personally, I think that the Granite phenomenon happens because of the flexibility of the DSA profile, the material (many think that PBT is better) and the hype.
Massdrop introduces a subsection dedicated to mechanical keyboards, with a promise that they will never run the same drop twice.
Do you think that would effect the quality of Massdrop's offerings? Would each drop be as unique as they are now?
I'm inspired by the drops that run more than once. I think multiple runs of the same keysets or caps, influences people to become better artists.
I'm know I'm new here but there is some validity to my post. I understand Massdrop is a large retailer set up to make a profit. What I was attempting to say is that these 'formats' can sometimes have positive side effects to the sub cultures involved in the process. MD also has a certain influence on demand because MD has developed an atmosphere that people enjoy. Maybe you don't agree that MD has developed an atmosphere that people enjoy, that is understandable. I think we can agree that MD is a catchy name, and the MD team developed a functional business model.I'll propose an alternate scenario:rerunning sets is a complete waste of time
Yeah, sure, tell Matt that he wasted his time running the Granite four times with thousands of sets sold.
Granite I see as a bit of a different beast, just because he changes a decent amount each round and there are a ton of child sets, its truly a DIY keyset from a design standpoint.
But I have to agree that rerunning tons of sets is sort of the opposite of what I think we want. As others have said, if the schedule just gets loaded with reruns bought by new people in the community, it will lead to less development of interesting sets.
The only part of new sets' development that is constraint is their manufacturing process, the actual design, community consultation and due diligence are all open to happen simultaneously at any time; therefore, let some designers run their sets as much as they want, as others are proposing new ideas. The only thing that can actually limit creativity is the community buying the same things once and again, instead of demanding more the innovative sets. Personally, I think that the Granite phenomenon happens because of the flexibility of the DSA profile, the material (many think that PBT is better) and the hype.
Massdrop introduces a subsection dedicated to mechanical keyboards, with a promise that they will never run the same drop twice.
Do you think that would effect the quality of Massdrop's offerings? Would each drop be as unique as they are now?
I'm inspired by the drops that run more than once. I think multiple runs of the same keysets or caps, influences people to become better artists.
MD is a retailer with happens to get advantage of the group buy format to get better prices and more orders, it is not about improving the perceive quality of the offers but about economy of scale, if something does not have demand, it does not matter how special it is, or how good is its design. You are mixing things that does not blend.
Re-running sets is a bad thing and a good thing. Bad because it encourages laziness and discourages innovating new designs, good because it stops douchebags from flipping for profit and because it helps preople get sets that can be hard to get.
I'm more okay with SP re-runs than GMK. Dolch re-runs need to die.
Decent rubber domes like the Thai Quietkey have superior typing feel to most mechanical keyboards. They're super tactile with a pleasurable force curve. A collapsing dome just feels nice, with a very forgiving bottom-out.
The trusty Quietkey isn't as fun as my SMKs, but it's certainly more comfortable.
rerunning sets is a complete waste of time
Yeah, sure, tell Matt that he wasted his time running the Granite four times with thousands of sets sold.
Who cares if something sells thousands of sets - if you rerun anything its going to get more sales than the first time it went around - its because the market is growing at a very fast pace
Its a waste of time because it stifles creativity and clogs up production lines with stuff that's already been done
too much gmk ic
I don't believe it! :'(too much gmk ic
Unpopular: I hate SA, DSA, DCS, PBT in general, OEM profile in general = I love GMK, only.
Unpopular: I hate SA, DSA, DCS, PBT in general, OEM profile in general = I love GMK, only.
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this is the best keyboard
Alps switches are over-hyped those days.
Kailh are awesome.
I love vegetable greens, but this is too much green.Show Image(http://images.anandtech.com/doci/7911/RZBWU_14.JPG)
I love vegetable greens, but this is too much green.Show Image(http://images.anandtech.com/doci/7911/RZBWU_14.JPG)
Gross.
I love vegetable greens, but this is too much green.Show Image(http://images.anandtech.com/doci/7911/RZBWU_14.JPG)
I love vegetable greens, but this is too much green.Show Image(http://images.anandtech.com/doci/7911/RZBWU_14.JPG)
Anyone who uses razer should be immediately banned :p
I love vegetable greens, but this is too much green.I wish cherry used this color for greens.Show Image(http://images.anandtech.com/doci/7911/RZBWU_14.JPG)
Metal is not suppose to be green! The way I see it, that bright green coating makes the metal look like playdoh (http://i.imgur.com/3zm1R07.gif)I love vegetable greens, but this is too much green.I wish cherry used this color for greens.Show Image(http://images.anandtech.com/doci/7911/RZBWU_14.JPG)
Neon green and black is so sexy <3
I love vegetable greens, but this is too much green.Show Image(http://images.anandtech.com/doci/7911/RZBWU_14.JPG)
Anyone who uses razer should be immediately banned :p
I love vegetable greens, but this is too much green.Show Image(http://images.anandtech.com/doci/7911/RZBWU_14.JPG)
Anyone who uses razer should be immediately banned :p
RIP me. My work keyboard is a 2013 Razer with MX Blues.
BUT DAT COLORMetal is not suppose to be green! The way I see it, that bright green coating makes the metal look like playdohI love vegetable greens, but this is too much green.I wish cherry used this color for greens.Show Image(http://images.anandtech.com/doci/7911/RZBWU_14.JPG)
Neon green and black is so sexy <3Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/3zm1R07.gif)
I love vegetable greens, but this is too much green.Show Image(http://images.anandtech.com/doci/7911/RZBWU_14.JPG)
Anyone who uses razer should be immediately banned :p
RIP me. My work keyboard is a 2013 Razer with MX Blues.
Damn, sorry dude. It was a good run :(
I love vegetable greens, but this is too much green.Show Image(http://images.anandtech.com/doci/7911/RZBWU_14.JPG)
Anyone who uses razer should be immediately banned :p
Let's not be too hasty. I think "enlightening" is better than banning :)
Well while we're on the topic
I think the razer hate is a huge circle jerk. People will always buy **** products, I mean, just look at Apple </****ty joke>
But really, I think it's sorta beating a dead horse.
please be gentle
Well while we're on the topic
I think the razer hate is a huge circle jerk. People will always buy **** products, I mean, just look at Apple </****ty joke>
But really, I think it's sorta beating a dead horse.
please be gentle
Honestly half the **** posted here is a dumb hate-circlejerk.
Well while we're on the topic
I think the razer hate is a huge circle jerk. People will always buy **** products, I mean, just look at Apple </****ty joke>
But really, I think it's sorta beating a dead horse.
please be gentle
Honestly half the **** posted here is a dumb hate-circlejerk.
I've said it before, and I'll say it again: DSA is better than SA. :))
Let's see y'all jerk that circle, or whatever.
Well while we're on the topic
I think the razer hate is a huge circle jerk. People will always buy **** products, I mean, just look at Apple </****ty joke>
But really, I think it's sorta beating a dead horse.
please be gentle
Honestly half the **** posted here is a dumb hate-circlejerk.
I've said it before, and I'll say it again: DSA is better than SA. :))
Let's see y'all jerk that circle, or whatever.
SA is literally one of the worst profiles I've ever had the mispleasure of experiencing :-*
DSA isn't much better though...
Well while we're on the topic
I think the razer hate is a huge circle jerk. People will always buy **** products, I mean, just look at Apple </****ty joke>
But really, I think it's sorta beating a dead horse.
please be gentle
Honestly half the **** posted here is a dumb hate-circlejerk.
I've said it before, and I'll say it again: DSA is better than SA. :))
Let's see y'all jerk that circle, or whatever.
SA is literally one of the worst profiles I've ever had the mispleasure of experiencing :-*
DSA isn't much better though...
DSA > Cherry ~= OEM > SA
I have yet to try G20 or DCS, and I still buy SA sets because I really like how they look. I end up selling them within a month though. :(
Well while we're on the topic
I think the razer hate is a huge circle jerk. People will always buy **** products, I mean, just look at Apple </****ty joke>
But really, I think it's sorta beating a dead horse.
please be gentle
Honestly half the **** posted here is a dumb hate-circlejerk.
I've said it before, and I'll say it again: DSA is better than SA. :))
Let's see y'all jerk that circle, or whatever.
Well while we're on the topic
I think the razer hate is a huge circle jerk. People will always buy **** products, I mean, just look at Apple </****ty joke>
But really, I think it's sorta beating a dead horse.
please be gentle
Honestly half the **** posted here is a dumb hate-circlejerk.
I've said it before, and I'll say it again: DSA is better than SA. :))
Let's see y'all jerk that circle, or whatever.
Well while we're on the topic
I think the razer hate is a huge circle jerk. People will always buy **** products, I mean, just look at Apple </****ty joke>
But really, I think it's sorta beating a dead horse.
please be gentle
Honestly half the **** posted here is a dumb hate-circlejerk.
I've said it before, and I'll say it again: DSA is better than SA. :))
Let's see y'all jerk that circle, or whatever.
SA is god awful.. I would much rather use DSA
I guess this is unpopular seeing how many SA sets are being bought: SA looks horrible. And honestly most of the colorways people have been coming out with recently look like ass. Eh, not to unpopular but at least I'm trying harder than "dae backlighting sucks?"
MoreI'd rather chop my hands off and type with my feet than use SAWell while we're on the topic
I think the razer hate is a huge circle jerk. People will always buy **** products, I mean, just look at Apple </****ty joke>
But really, I think it's sorta beating a dead horse.
please be gentle
Honestly half the **** posted here is a dumb hate-circlejerk.
I've said it before, and I'll say it again: DSA is better than SA. :))
Let's see y'all jerk that circle, or whatever.
SA is god awful.. I would much rather use DSA
I guess this is unpopular seeing how many SA sets are being bought: SA looks horrible. And honestly most of the colorways people have been coming out with recently look like ass. Eh, not to unpopular but at least I'm trying harder than "dae backlighting sucks?"
+1
Why do all of these sets have such loud colors? I'm fine with colorways like Pulse, since it's mostly black with some nice bright colors. Sets like Troubled Minds though are so bright it's too flashy for my taste.
I also think 1976 isn't that cool, who the hell likes brown?
ANSI SUX
I guess this is unpopular seeing how many SA sets are being bought: SA looks horrible. And honestly most of the colorways people have been coming out with recently look like ass. Eh, not to unpopular but at least I'm trying harder than "dae backlighting sucks?"
+1
Why do all of these sets have such loud colors? I'm fine with colorways like Pulse, since it's mostly black with some nice bright colors. Sets like Troubled Minds though are so bright it's too flashy for my taste.
I also think 1976 isn't that cool, who the hell likes brown?
ANSI SUX
I guess this is unpopular seeing how many SA sets are being bought: SA looks horrible. And honestly most of the colorways people have been coming out with recently look like ass. Eh, not to unpopular but at least I'm trying harder than "dae backlighting sucks?"
+1
Why do all of these sets have such loud colors? I'm fine with colorways like Pulse, since it's mostly black with some nice bright colors. Sets like Troubled Minds though are so bright it's too flashy for my taste.
I also think 1976 isn't that cool, who the hell likes brown?
Not only does SA profile look horrible in general all these SA themes are disgusting. Jukebox? are you kidding me... Can we also immediately ban SA users?I guess this is unpopular seeing how many SA sets are being bought: SA looks horrible. And honestly most of the colorways people have been coming out with recently look like ass. Eh, not to unpopular but at least I'm trying harder than "dae backlighting sucks?"
+1
Why do all of these sets have such loud colors? I'm fine with colorways like Pulse, since it's mostly black with some nice bright colors. Sets like Troubled Minds though are so bright it's too flashy for my taste.
I also think 1976 isn't that cool, who the hell likes brown?
ANSI SUXOne wise man said "The french bunny doesn't listen to reason" we can discredit anything he says. checkmate frenchy
I guess this is unpopular seeing how many SA sets are being bought: SA looks horrible. And honestly most of the colorways people have been coming out with recently look like ass. Eh, not to unpopular but at least I'm trying harder than "dae backlighting sucks?"
+1
Why do all of these sets have such loud colors? I'm fine with colorways like Pulse, since it's mostly black with some nice bright colors. Sets like Troubled Minds though are so bright it's too flashy for my taste.
I also think 1976 isn't that cool, who the hell likes brown?
Well, two of the loud ones I've proposed I did so because they're just fun and I wanted something ridiculous and people seemed to respiond well to them. Most of the other sets I've looked at have been far more muted
I guess this is unpopular seeing how many SA sets are being bought: SA looks horrible. And honestly most of the colorways people have been coming out with recently look like ass. Eh, not to unpopular but at least I'm trying harder than "dae backlighting sucks?"
+1
Why do all of these sets have such loud colors? I'm fine with colorways like Pulse, since it's mostly black with some nice bright colors. Sets like Troubled Minds though are so bright it's too flashy for my taste.
I also think 1976 isn't that cool, who the hell likes brown?
Well, two of the loud ones I've proposed I did so because they're just fun and I wanted something ridiculous and people seemed to respiond well to them. Most of the other sets I've looked at have been far more muted
MoreI guess this is unpopular seeing how many SA sets are being bought: SA looks horrible. And honestly most of the colorways people have been coming out with recently look like ass. Eh, not to unpopular but at least I'm trying harder than "dae backlighting sucks?"
+1
Why do all of these sets have such loud colors? I'm fine with colorways like Pulse, since it's mostly black with some nice bright colors. Sets like Troubled Minds though are so bright it's too flashy for my taste.
I also think 1976 isn't that cool, who the hell likes brown?
Well, two of the loud ones I've proposed I did so because they're just fun and I wanted something ridiculous and people seemed to respiond well to them. Most of the other sets I've looked at have been far more muted
Why do you hate my eyes so much nubs? Honestly tons of people seem to love Skeletor, more power to ya I guess
Can someone check this thread's TDS meter? Oh my blood pressureNot only does SA profile look horrible in general all these SA themes are disgusting. Jukebox? are you kidding me... Can we also immediately ban SA users?I guess this is unpopular seeing how many SA sets are being bought: SA looks horrible. And honestly most of the colorways people have been coming out with recently look like ass. Eh, not to unpopular but at least I'm trying harder than "dae backlighting sucks?"
+1
Why do all of these sets have such loud colors? I'm fine with colorways like Pulse, since it's mostly black with some nice bright colors. Sets like Troubled Minds though are so bright it's too flashy for my taste.
I also think 1976 isn't that cool, who the hell likes brown?ANSI SUXOne wise man said "The french bunny doesn't listen to reason" we can discredit anything he says. checkmate frenchy
MoreI guess this is unpopular seeing how many SA sets are being bought: SA looks horrible. And honestly most of the colorways people have been coming out with recently look like ass. Eh, not to unpopular but at least I'm trying harder than "dae backlighting sucks?"
+1
Why do all of these sets have such loud colors? I'm fine with colorways like Pulse, since it's mostly black with some nice bright colors. Sets like Troubled Minds though are so bright it's too flashy for my taste.
I also think 1976 isn't that cool, who the hell likes brown?
Well, two of the loud ones I've proposed I did so because they're just fun and I wanted something ridiculous and people seemed to respiond well to them. Most of the other sets I've looked at have been far more muted
Why do you hate my eyes so much nubs? Honestly tons of people seem to love Skeletor, more power to ya I guess
BECAUSE I'M NOT HAPPY UNLESS YOUR EYES ARE BLEEDING!
It seems that perfection is attained, not when there is nothing more to add, but when there is nothing more to take away.Or unix philosophy, if you like: Do one thing, and do it well.
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I'm triggered every time someone calls Topre "the world's most expensive rubberdome". That title(probably) belongs to Mad Catz S.T.R.I.K.E.7 gaymur keyboard, retailing for 300 bucks.
I'm triggered every time someone calls Topre "the world's most expensive rubberdome". That title(probably) belongs to Mad Catz S.T.R.I.K.E.7 gaymur keyboard, retailing for 300 bucks.
QWERTY is bad and should feel bad
the best layout would be a mix between iso and ansi (long left shift, big enter)
split spacebar should be more common (I don't own one but would love to have a 60% with one so I could use one as FN)
Caps-lock and backspace should be switched and back space made 1 u adding another key there you can use.
repeating the most popular unpopular opinion. Backligtning in general sucks, you shouldn't sit in the dark. Get a lamp.
Cherry MX greens and clears are the best MX switches.
A separate numpad is better than an integrated one.
Really? On certain "other" Keyboard forums/places it seems they are still constantly praised. Good to know i'm not alone, for Cherry based boards i have always been a huge KUL fan personally.
Signing up to win artisans for trade fodder should be publicly shamed.
This is probably a newbie standpoint but I don't understand why people put up with ctrlalt's group buys.
Signing up to win artisans for trade fodder should be publicly shamed.
This is probably a newbie standpoint but I don't understand why people put up with ctrlalt's group buys.
What do you mean by 'putting up with' group buys?
Just because CM and Filco boards are from the same factory does not mean they are the same quality. The Filco boards are nicer. Personally, I don't get the Kul circlejerk that was going in for a while.
MoreSigning up to win artisans for trade fodder should be publicly shamed.
This is probably a newbie standpoint but I don't understand why people put up with ctrlalt's group buys.
What do you mean by 'putting up with' group buys?
There just seems to be a lot of inefficiency, (sometimes massive) delays, I feel like I've seen a lot of updates consisting of "update soon" or lip service saying these things aren't okay without ever improving. A lot of stuff that would definitely frustrate me if I were a part of the buy. This is my perception, which could easily just be confirmation bias, you know? I'm not trying to disrespect or anything.
What I'm saying is, I don't get why people join one of their buys when there are people who haven't gotten a product from an almost two year old order. What is there to say it wouldn't happen again? Is the payoff just that worth it? I've never been ordered from them, so I don't know, that's why I said it's probably just a newbie standpoint.
MoreJust because CM and Filco boards are from the same factory does not mean they are the same quality. The Filco boards are nicer. Personally, I don't get the Kul circlejerk that was going in for a while.
I never said that they are the same, but they come from the same OEM/factory. :rolleyes: Most people that have compared the two brands have said that they are almost identical.
Filco is more robust but for the big price difference I see no reason to go for one. CM's are also more available everywhere so you'll probably won't have to pay for shipping as well.
Just because CM and Filco boards are from the same factory does not mean they are the same quality. The Filco boards are nicer. Personally, I don't get the Kul circlejerk that was going in for a while.
How do you prove someone is signing up for trade fodder? I've had caps I win and almost immediately put up for trade because they didn't go like I thought they would or I wasn't a fan of the color in person. Also, sometimes the only way to get a cap you want is to win a cap you don't want. It creates an unfortunate situation, but that's the way things are. Entering to flip caps for profit, on the other hand, deserves to be shamed.
QWERTY is bad and should feel bad
the best layout would be a mix between iso and ansi (long left shift, big enter)
split spacebar should be more common (I don't own one but would love to have a 60% with one so I could use one as FN)
Caps-lock and backspace should be switched and back space made 1 u adding another key there you can use.
repeating the most popular unpopular opinion. Backligtning in general sucks, you shouldn't sit in the dark. Get a lamp.
Cherry MX greens and clears are the best MX switches.
A separate numpad is better than an integrated one.
For the average user, there isn't any speed difference. Unfortunately, I have to work with QWERTY when I'm not at home and on users' computers, so a switch isn't really possible for me unless I want to stumble at less than 30 wpm everywhere for a while. It's kind of like trying to get the US to switch to metric.
I haven't used a split spacebar, but it sounds nice
Switching caps lock and backspace would be great! I might actually make a macro to do that on my keyboard.
I'll continue sitting in the dark like a basement dweller and you can't stop me! :p Who needs good eyesight anyway?
One set of tools?QWERTY is bad and should feel bad
the best layout would be a mix between iso and ansi (long left shift, big enter)
split spacebar should be more common (I don't own one but would love to have a 60% with one so I could use one as FN)
Caps-lock and backspace should be switched and back space made 1 u adding another key there you can use.
repeating the most popular unpopular opinion. Backligtning in general sucks, you shouldn't sit in the dark. Get a lamp.
Cherry MX greens and clears are the best MX switches.
A separate numpad is better than an integrated one.
For the average user, there isn't any speed difference. Unfortunately, I have to work with QWERTY when I'm not at home and on users' computers, so a switch isn't really possible for me unless I want to stumble at less than 30 wpm everywhere for a while. It's kind of like trying to get the US to switch to metric.
I haven't used a split spacebar, but it sounds nice
Switching caps lock and backspace would be great! I might actually make a macro to do that on my keyboard.
I'll continue sitting in the dark like a basement dweller and you can't stop me! :p Who needs good eyesight anyway?
Well the US really should switch to metric in my opinion, same with the UK. But I can't change that, just like I can't get QWERTY to go away and make my only problem with Dvorak go away (that people use QWERTY lol).
I haven't used a split spacebar but I am 99% sure I could adapt to using the other half with my right thumb as I currently only use my left thumb for space. Which on a 60% would be bound to FN for me.
The eyesight part is one of the reasons you shouldn't sit in the dark lol.
One set of tools?QWERTY is bad and should feel bad
the best layout would be a mix between iso and ansi (long left shift, big enter)
split spacebar should be more common (I don't own one but would love to have a 60% with one so I could use one as FN)
Caps-lock and backspace should be switched and back space made 1 u adding another key there you can use.
repeating the most popular unpopular opinion. Backligtning in general sucks, you shouldn't sit in the dark. Get a lamp.
Cherry MX greens and clears are the best MX switches.
A separate numpad is better than an integrated one.
For the average user, there isn't any speed difference. Unfortunately, I have to work with QWERTY when I'm not at home and on users' computers, so a switch isn't really possible for me unless I want to stumble at less than 30 wpm everywhere for a while. It's kind of like trying to get the US to switch to metric.
I haven't used a split spacebar, but it sounds nice
Switching caps lock and backspace would be great! I might actually make a macro to do that on my keyboard.
I'll continue sitting in the dark like a basement dweller and you can't stop me! :p Who needs good eyesight anyway?
Well the US really should switch to metric in my opinion, same with the UK. But I can't change that, just like I can't get QWERTY to go away and make my only problem with Dvorak go away (that people use QWERTY lol).
I haven't used a split spacebar but I am 99% sure I could adapt to using the other half with my right thumb as I currently only use my left thumb for space. Which on a 60% would be bound to FN for me.
The eyesight part is one of the reasons you shouldn't sit in the dark lol.
Fine measurements in an instant?
Metric please! :eek:
QWERTY is bad and should feel bad
the best layout would be a mix between iso and ansi (long left shift, big enter)
split spacebar should be more common (I don't own one but would love to have a 60% with one so I could use one as FN)
Caps-lock and backspace should be switched and back space made 1 u adding another key there you can use.
repeating the most popular unpopular opinion. Backligtning in general sucks, you shouldn't sit in the dark. Get a lamp.
Cherry MX greens and clears are the best MX switches.
A separate numpad is better than an integrated one.
For the average user, there isn't any speed difference. Unfortunately, I have to work with QWERTY when I'm not at home and on users' computers, so a switch isn't really possible for me unless I want to stumble at less than 30 wpm everywhere for a while. It's kind of like trying to get the US to switch to metric.
I haven't used a split spacebar, but it sounds nice
Switching caps lock and backspace would be great! I might actually make a macro to do that on my keyboard.
I'll continue sitting in the dark like a basement dweller and you can't stop me! :p Who needs good eyesight anyway?
Well the US really should switch to metric in my opinion, same with the UK. But I can't change that, just like I can't get QWERTY to go away and make my only problem with Dvorak go away (that people use QWERTY lol).
I haven't used a split spacebar but I am 99% sure I could adapt to using the other half with my right thumb as I currently only use my left thumb for space. Which on a 60% would be bound to FN for me.
The eyesight part is one of the reasons you shouldn't sit in the dark lol.
I guess the education system has changed. If I remember correctly, my teacher taught the imperial, and metric system. One system right after the other.QWERTY is bad and should feel bad
the best layout would be a mix between iso and ansi (long left shift, big enter)
split spacebar should be more common (I don't own one but would love to have a 60% with one so I could use one as FN)
Caps-lock and backspace should be switched and back space made 1 u adding another key there you can use.
repeating the most popular unpopular opinion. Backligtning in general sucks, you shouldn't sit in the dark. Get a lamp.
Cherry MX greens and clears are the best MX switches.
A separate numpad is better than an integrated one.
For the average user, there isn't any speed difference. Unfortunately, I have to work with QWERTY when I'm not at home and on users' computers, so a switch isn't really possible for me unless I want to stumble at less than 30 wpm everywhere for a while. It's kind of like trying to get the US to switch to metric.
I haven't used a split spacebar, but it sounds nice
Switching caps lock and backspace would be great! I might actually make a macro to do that on my keyboard.
I'll continue sitting in the dark like a basement dweller and you can't stop me! :p Who needs good eyesight anyway?
Well the US really should switch to metric in my opinion, same with the UK. But I can't change that, just like I can't get QWERTY to go away and make my only problem with Dvorak go away (that people use QWERTY lol).
I haven't used a split spacebar but I am 99% sure I could adapt to using the other half with my right thumb as I currently only use my left thumb for space. Which on a 60% would be bound to FN for me.
The eyesight part is one of the reasons you shouldn't sit in the dark lol.
I agree, metric actually makes sense, but least we don't use stone as a measurement. 1 stone = 14 pounds = 6.35029 Kg... what... :-\
Kids aren't learning metric in school, so when they're teaching age, they aren't teaching metric.
Yeah, I do agree. UNF? Hmmm, I never thought to ask myself the difference in threading measurement nice :)One set of tools?QWERTY is bad and should feel bad
the best layout would be a mix between iso and ansi (long left shift, big enter)
split spacebar should be more common (I don't own one but would love to have a 60% with one so I could use one as FN)
Caps-lock and backspace should be switched and back space made 1 u adding another key there you can use.
repeating the most popular unpopular opinion. Backligtning in general sucks, you shouldn't sit in the dark. Get a lamp.
Cherry MX greens and clears are the best MX switches.
A separate numpad is better than an integrated one.
For the average user, there isn't any speed difference. Unfortunately, I have to work with QWERTY when I'm not at home and on users' computers, so a switch isn't really possible for me unless I want to stumble at less than 30 wpm everywhere for a while. It's kind of like trying to get the US to switch to metric.
I haven't used a split spacebar, but it sounds nice
Switching caps lock and backspace would be great! I might actually make a macro to do that on my keyboard.
I'll continue sitting in the dark like a basement dweller and you can't stop me! :p Who needs good eyesight anyway?
Well the US really should switch to metric in my opinion, same with the UK. But I can't change that, just like I can't get QWERTY to go away and make my only problem with Dvorak go away (that people use QWERTY lol).
I haven't used a split spacebar but I am 99% sure I could adapt to using the other half with my right thumb as I currently only use my left thumb for space. Which on a 60% would be bound to FN for me.
The eyesight part is one of the reasons you shouldn't sit in the dark lol.
Fine measurements in an instant?
Metric please! :eek:
So you agree? at work it's so annoying when you get one part which for some reason is using UNF instead of metric threading :mad:
Yup and that's sadly how the world is, and also why QWERTY is still the most used layout :PQWERTY is bad and should feel bad
the best layout would be a mix between iso and ansi (long left shift, big enter)
split spacebar should be more common (I don't own one but would love to have a 60% with one so I could use one as FN)
Caps-lock and backspace should be switched and back space made 1 u adding another key there you can use.
repeating the most popular unpopular opinion. Backligtning in general sucks, you shouldn't sit in the dark. Get a lamp.
Cherry MX greens and clears are the best MX switches.
A separate numpad is better than an integrated one.
For the average user, there isn't any speed difference. Unfortunately, I have to work with QWERTY when I'm not at home and on users' computers, so a switch isn't really possible for me unless I want to stumble at less than 30 wpm everywhere for a while. It's kind of like trying to get the US to switch to metric.
I haven't used a split spacebar, but it sounds nice
Switching caps lock and backspace would be great! I might actually make a macro to do that on my keyboard.
I'll continue sitting in the dark like a basement dweller and you can't stop me! :p Who needs good eyesight anyway?
Well the US really should switch to metric in my opinion, same with the UK. But I can't change that, just like I can't get QWERTY to go away and make my only problem with Dvorak go away (that people use QWERTY lol).
I haven't used a split spacebar but I am 99% sure I could adapt to using the other half with my right thumb as I currently only use my left thumb for space. Which on a 60% would be bound to FN for me.
The eyesight part is one of the reasons you shouldn't sit in the dark lol.
I agree, metric actually makes sense, but least we don't use stone as a measurement. 1 stone = 14 pounds = 6.35029 Kg... what... :-\
Kids aren't learning metric in school, so when they're teaching age, they aren't teaching metric.
I haven't used a split spacebar but I am 99% sure I could adapt to using the other half with my right thumb as I currently only use my left thumb for space. Which on a 60% would be bound to FN for me.This is exactly how I set up mine, and it took nothing to get used to. It just feels natural.
I haven't used a split spacebar but I am 99% sure I could adapt to using the other half with my right thumb as I currently only use my left thumb for space. Which on a 60% would be bound to FN for me.This is exactly how I set up mine, and it took nothing to get used to. It just feels natural.
the best layout would be a mix between iso and ansi (long left shift, big enter)So basically you want JIS, which is IMO very bad, with Colemak Backspace. How can you say such heresy while having in your avatar the second best girl from her based show with no bad characters in the first place is beyond me.
Caps-lock and backspace should be switched and back space made 1 u adding another key there you can use.
fullsize > tkl/60
But it's actually correct. Full-size is larger than tenkeyless/60% by definition.fullsize > tkl/60Get outta here
But it's actually correct. Full-size is larger than tenkeyless/60% by definition.fullsize > tkl/60Get outta here
It's still an abomination though.
fullsize > tkl/60
Get outta here
My Model M isn't as loud as everyone makes it out to be.
I could at least see using it in a busy office setting.
It's still the best sounding clicky switch though, it's only major competition is Blue ALPS.
+1 in support of full size. Well...+0.5, let's say. I think it does depend on the user a lot.
There are definitely some real advantages to an attached number pad if you use it. Unlike a separate number pad, an attached number pad stays in exact alignment with your other keys when you reposition your keyboard, which some people do every time they shift position in their chair. There's also less wasted space when the number pad and keyboard are integrated, fewer wires, and fewer ports used. So, if you are a serious number pad user, a full size layout can still make sense.
For me, personally, before I got into mechanical keyboards, I spent many years using laptops without number pads. Basically I came into the game already having plenty of experience with not having a number pad, and knew that if I could possibly get the number pad back, that I wanted it. So I really don't have much interest in things that are smaller than full size. I don't even enter long lists of number that often (though I do have to do so occasionally), but between that, playing older games that benefit from or even require the number pad, and various general keyboarding habits that make use of the number pad for all sorts of random little purposes, I find that I really miss it when it's not there.
Of course, if you don't use it, then you might as well free up the extra space, especially if you are so unfortunate as to be using a mouse rather than a trackball as your primary pointing device. Hence +0.5 for the full-size: if your workflow and/or your habits call for the number pad, then a full-size keyboard is a good option. If they don't, then don't bother.
My Model M isn't as loud as everyone makes it out to be.
I could at least see using it in a busy office setting.
It's still the best sounding clicky switch though, it's only major competition is Blue ALPS.
Model M = Best clicky switch ever IMO
I still prefer Topre Overall but if in an isolated room with nobody around i'd likely switch between Topre and a Model M hourly.
All Cherry switches are crap
No one should pay more for an alternative to fullsize
artisans should not be taken seriously and should be worth 3$ a key
critique inc :rolleyes:
Topre isn't a mechanical keyboard switch and has no business on this forum.Savageeeeee. But yes that is the truth
A shame there aren't more alps caps. The keycap options I have are very boring compared to Cherry mx.
A shame there aren't more alps caps. The keycap options I have are very boring compared to Cherry mx.
I agree in a way, but in another it's kinda cool. Like Topre, it makes the caps you do get very special.
how is it possible to be productive with a 40%It just is
DIY does not mean good quality. I've seen posts where some DIYer will always toss in the "can't be sure about the quality of xxx board, if you want quality you need to DIY". For a hobby that relies on so many prefabricated parts, DIY quality is pretty much non-existent. It comes down to the quality of the parts they buy, and they're not going to get economies of scale, so an equivalently priced manufactured board will be better quality.
Here's some DIY quality for ya :))
DIY does not mean good quality.
Same here. I also don't see the point of this hobby when you aren't making boards yourself though. My boards may be crap, but they are still mine!DIY does not mean good quality.
Agree with this.
I would never pay more than $5 for a keyboard with the quality of something I built, lol. You think the PCBs in super cheap Chinese keyboards are grim? You should see what happens when I pick up a soldering iron...
Topre isn't a mechanical keyboard switch and has no business on this forum.buddy this forum is for "keyboard enthusiasts"
Topre isn't a mechanical keyboard switch and has no business on this forum.buddy this forum is for "keyboard enthusiasts"
Expensive != quality.
This one is fairly obvious, but recently I got tag-teamed by some keyboard elitist in a forum, so on top of that I'll add that references to Eiiti Wada(creator of HHKB) do not constitute sufficient evidence to support purchasing an expensive keyboard (Especially since HHKB is not useful for gaming nor productivity).
Expensive != quality.
This one is fairly obvious, but recently I got tag-teamed by some keyboard elitist in a forum, so on top of that I'll add that references to Eiiti Wada(creator of HHKB) do not constitute sufficient evidence to support purchasing an expensive keyboard (Especially since HHKB is not useful for gaming nor productivity).
well, how does any keyboard affect your productivity?
how does any keyboard affect your productivity?
well, how does any keyboard affect your productivity?while others cause pain in my wrists.
Expensive != quality.
This one is fairly obvious, but recently I got tag-teamed by some keyboard elitist in a forum, so on top of that I'll add that references to Eiiti Wada(creator of HHKB) do not constitute sufficient evidence to support purchasing an expensive keyboard (Especially since HHKB is not useful for gaming nor productivity).
I agree with the first line, but I don't think the HHKB is not useful for gaming or productivity. The former definitely varies from person to person, but the latter, well, how does any keyboard affect your productivity?
how does any keyboard affect your productivity?
Most don't, but most keyboards have access to all modifier keys as an actual key. As an SAP developer, I would have to be a finger contortionist to use an HHKB (which immediately eliminates the ergonomic argument). There are a lot of modifier+modifier+fkey combinations.
So an HHKB would over time both cause physiological damage as well as loss in productivity, at a very high monetary cost.
So of course this is an unpopular opinion. To me it looks like Rube Goldberg machine.
Did you sniff the keyboard? I would have sniffed the keyboard before making a decision.how does any keyboard affect your productivity?
Most don't, but most keyboards have access to all modifier keys as an actual key. As an SAP developer, I would have to be a finger contortionist to use an HHKB (which immediately eliminates the ergonomic argument). There are a lot of modifier+modifier+fkey combinations.
So an HHKB would over time both cause physiological damage as well as loss in productivity, at a very high monetary cost.
So of course this is an unpopular opinion. To me it looks like Rube Goldberg machine.
I found an HHKB Lite at Goodwill once (the non-Topre version). I took it off the shelf, looked at it for a few seconds, then concluded that it was dumb and put it back on the shelf. So you're not entirely alone...
Did you sniff the keyboard? I would have sniffed the keyboard before making a decision.
I sniff everything I buy from thrift shops. If I bring home something that smells like smoke--RIP my sinuses.Did you sniff the keyboard? I would have sniffed the keyboard before making a decision.
And if you get high off it then it's a keeper! I know I'd have to be high on something to have bought one.
Turns out white alps pine are better than blue alps. No joke, my Acer 6011 has these switches.
I think he just likes a heavier switches and more tactile switchesTurns out white alps pine are better than blue alps. No joke, my Acer 6011 has these switches.
Is it possible the blue alps you tried were in nasty condition compared to the whites?
Probably gonna get hate for saying this, but I think Topre is not durable at all. I've replaced two HHKB's because the rubber "dried out" / "became hard" within 2 years of use, being main drivers.But I though that u guys like heavier switches :confused:
Probably gonna get hate for saying this, but I think Topre is not durable at all. I've replaced two HHKB's because the rubber "dried out" / "became hard" within 2 years of use, being main drivers.
Probably gonna get hate for saying this, but I think Topre is not durable at all. I've replaced two HHKB's because the rubber "dried out" / "became hard" within 2 years of use, being main drivers.
Probably gonna get hate for saying this, but I think Topre is not durable at all. I've replaced two HHKB's because the rubber "dried out" / "became hard" within 2 years of use, being main drivers.
Environmental factors and usage patterns can play a significant role in this. The domes are rubber, after all.
We don't know if Gaterons are more reliable than genuine Cherry MX - and since they produce the Zealios, they will fall under that general statement.
The general impression given is they are unable to adhere to the same strict tolerances in their manufacturing process - this makes sense, as ultimately the Gateron specific switches are an attempt to provide a cheaper product alternative. It does seem that their community engagement and willingness to make tweaked products (Zealios!) sets them above their peers (Kailh, Greetech, etc).
We don't know if Gaterons are more reliable than genuine Cherry MX - and since they produce the Zealios, they will fall under that general statement.
The general impression given is they are unable to adhere to the same strict tolerances in their manufacturing process - this makes sense, as ultimately the Gateron specific switches are an attempt to provide a cheaper product alternative. It does seem that their community engagement and willingness to make tweaked products (Zealios!) sets them above their peers (Kailh, Greetech, etc).
An assumption behind your argument, that is not necessarily true, is that lower cost equals lower quality, which in contemporary manufacturing systems is just not true.
The caps lock key shouldn't exist. It doesn't need to be relocated to where the control or backspace is, it needs to be nuked from space and all mention of its former existence stricken from public record. If you are typing enough sequential uppercase characters that you can't comfortably hold down shift to do it, than you're probably typing like an *******. Don't type like an *******.
Also the tilde key is a pointless waste of keyboard real estate and the backspace should be where the backslash is on an ANSI keyboard.
This belongs to a thread on personal preferences.
We don't know if Gaterons are more reliable than genuine Cherry MX - and since they produce the Zealios, they will fall under that general statement.
The general impression given is they are unable to adhere to the same strict tolerances in their manufacturing process - this makes sense, as ultimately the Gateron specific switches are an attempt to provide a cheaper product alternative. It does seem that their community engagement and willingness to make tweaked products (Zealios!) sets them above their peers (Kailh, Greetech, etc).
An assumption behind your argument, that is not necessarily true, is that lower cost equals lower quality, which in contemporary manufacturing systems is just not true.
Especially now that Cherry switches are 20+ years old, I can't imagine that making a cheaper alternative would be that hard to do while maintaining or even surpassing the quality of the original.
The caps lock key shouldn't exist. It doesn't need to be relocated to where the control or backspace is, it needs to be nuked from space and all mention of its former existence stricken from public record. If you are typing enough sequential uppercase characters that you can't comfortably hold down shift to do it, than you're probably typing like an *******. Don't type like an *******.Tilde key is what is used to open the developers console in 90% of games :P
Also the tilde key is a pointless waste of keyboard real estate and the backspace should be where the backslash is on an ANSI keyboard.
The caps lock key shouldn't exist. It doesn't need to be relocated to where the control or backspace is, it needs to be nuked from space and all mention of its former existence stricken from public record. If you are typing enough sequential uppercase characters that you can't comfortably hold down shift to do it, than you're probably typing like an *******. Don't type like an *******.Tilde key is what is used to open the developers console in 90% of games :P
Also the tilde key is a pointless waste of keyboard real estate and the backspace should be where the backslash is on an ANSI keyboard.
Tilde is also far easier to use when you're talking about approximates than typing it roughly or approximately.
The caps lock key shouldn't exist. It doesn't need to be relocated to where the control or backspace is, it needs to be nuked from space and all mention of its former existence stricken from public record. If you are typing enough sequential uppercase characters that you can't comfortably hold down shift to do it, than you're probably typing like an *******. Don't type like an *******.
Also the tilde key is a pointless waste of keyboard real estate and the backspace should be where the backslash is on an ANSI keyboard.
May be unpopular but I'm willing to bet that at least a few people feel the same as me here:
I prefer plastic cases to aluminium. I own two POK3Rs and have swapped the cases on both for cheap plastic ones. I can just feel it in my fingers, the aluminium is just too harsh, whereas the plastic has the slightest bit of extra cushioning.
It is a great button due to how useless it is. I disable capslock through windows and use it to bind my push to talk for my teamspeak. Easy to reach and perfect placement for fast communication.
how is tilde useless? it is used in so many programming languages. I do agree about the backspace It is used so often I don't know why they made it so far.
The caps lock key shouldn't exist. It doesn't need to be relocated to where the control or backspace is, it needs to be nuked from space and all mention of its former existence stricken from public record. If you are typing enough sequential uppercase characters that you can't comfortably hold down shift to do it, than you're probably typing like an *******. Don't type like an *******.
Also the tilde key is a pointless waste of keyboard real estate and the backspace should be where the backslash is on an ANSI keyboard.
We don't know if Gaterons are more reliable than genuine Cherry MX - and since they produce the Zealios, they will fall under that general statement.
The general impression given is they are unable to adhere to the same strict tolerances in their manufacturing process - this makes sense, as ultimately the Gateron specific switches are an attempt to provide a cheaper product alternative. It does seem that their community engagement and willingness to make tweaked products (Zealios!) sets them above their peers (Kailh, Greetech, etc).
An assumption behind your argument, that is not necessarily true, is that lower cost equals lower quality, which in contemporary manufacturing systems is just not true.
Especially now that Cherry switches are 20+ years old, I can't imagine that making a cheaper alternative would be that hard to do while maintaining or even surpassing the quality of the original.
There are certainly cases which lead credence to what both of you are indicating, however, with respect to Gateron, we know of switch chatter and switch wobble both being issues.
When specifically referring to Zealios, measures have been taken to reduce chatter, but Zeal has mentioned that convincing Gateron on tighter tolerances is still a a challenge to be overcome for R3.
This still does not address general reliability over a long period of time. If anyone has seen published figures with respect to MTBF or even before "out of spec" figures along with supporting evidence on how these figures were achieved, I'll gladly read them.
Regardless of how my cautious attitude above may be perceived, I do believe it a good thing clones may have the potential to force Cherry's hand, lest an option like Gateron continue to improve to the point of clearly asserting itself superiour.
Hey! Some of use high DPI.. idk about 14-20k DPI though, that might be a tad excessive.We don't know if Gaterons are more reliable than genuine Cherry MX - and since they produce the Zealios, they will fall under that general statement.
The general impression given is they are unable to adhere to the same strict tolerances in their manufacturing process - this makes sense, as ultimately the Gateron specific switches are an attempt to provide a cheaper product alternative. It does seem that their community engagement and willingness to make tweaked products (Zealios!) sets them above their peers (Kailh, Greetech, etc).
An assumption behind your argument, that is not necessarily true, is that lower cost equals lower quality, which in contemporary manufacturing systems is just not true.
Especially now that Cherry switches are 20+ years old, I can't imagine that making a cheaper alternative would be that hard to do while maintaining or even surpassing the quality of the original.
There are certainly cases which lead credence to what both of you are indicating, however, with respect to Gateron, we know of switch chatter and switch wobble both being issues.
When specifically referring to Zealios, measures have been taken to reduce chatter, but Zeal has mentioned that convincing Gateron on tighter tolerances is still a a challenge to be overcome for R3.
This still does not address general reliability over a long period of time. If anyone has seen published figures with respect to MTBF or even before "out of spec" figures along with supporting evidence on how these figures were achieved, I'll gladly read them.
Regardless of how my cautious attitude above may be perceived, I do believe it a good thing clones may have the potential to force Cherry's hand, lest an option like Gateron continue to improve to the point of clearly asserting itself superiour.
Regards MTBF, I think those figures are **** and worthless given that testing circumstances are very VERY fake. I guess they test it by pressing a key 50000 times or more and then say: this should last up to 50000 strokes. But they do that within a period of... hours? But this is completely different from those 50000 strokes over a period of, let's say, 10 years: what about humidity, corrosion, actual force exerted by human hands, heat, etc. It is almost impossible to establish real world testing scenarios for this. There should be empirical research averaging how people use their keyboards over longer periods of time and then developing artificial testing conditions to mimic real world and then establish an accurate MTBF.
But of course, I'm ignorant. Manufacturers just want the highest number they can put on the package to increase sell sell sell, like with DPI for a mouse.
Hey! Some of use high DPI.. idk about 14-20k DPI though, that might be a tad excessive.
Hey! Some of use high DPI.. idk about 14-20k DPI though, that might be a tad excessive.
If they really want to test the equipment, the manufactures should strap the keyboard to a vibration plate. Then do the keystroke test. Maybe even toss in a mister. Something similar to the shake down of a commercial airplane would work.
Hey! Some of use high DPI.. idk about 14-20k DPI though, that might be a tad excessive.
If they really want to test the equipment, the manufactures should strap the keyboard to a vibration plate. Then do the keystroke test. Maybe even toss in a mister. Something similar to the shake down of a commercial airplane would work.
What exactly do you use super high DPI on a mouse for?
kishsaver is ugly as ****
kishsaver is ugly as ****
kishsaver is ugly as ****
I guess I am stupid. I max out the DPI on my mouse (7,200 dpi) because my wrists don't like to move sideways anymore. I use my fingers to control the mouse, much like people do with a trackball. :))Hey! Some of use high DPI.. idk about 14-20k DPI though, that might be a tad excessive.
Anything over 6400 means either you have a 4K/eyefinity/etc. screen or are stupid.
See above :)
Hey! Some of use high DPI.. idk about 14-20k DPI though, that might be a tad excessive.
If they really want to test the equipment, the manufactures should strap the keyboard to a vibration plate. Then do the keystroke test. Maybe even toss in a mister. Something similar to the shake down of a commercial airplane would work.
What exactly do you use super high DPI on a mouse for?
I like it :rolleyes:kishsaver is ugly as ****
I 100% agree :thumb:
I guess I am stupid. I max out the DPI on my mouse (7,200 dpi) because my wrists don't like to move sideways anymore. I use my fingers to control the mouse, much like people do with a trackball. :))Hey! Some of use high DPI.. idk about 14-20k DPI though, that might be a tad excessive.
Anything over 6400 means either you have a 4K/eyefinity/etc. screen or are stupid.See above :)
Hey! Some of use high DPI.. idk about 14-20k DPI though, that might be a tad excessive.
If they really want to test the equipment, the manufactures should strap the keyboard to a vibration plate. Then do the keystroke test. Maybe even toss in a mister. Something similar to the shake down of a commercial airplane would work.
What exactly do you use super high DPI on a mouse for?
One day I will find a L-tracX. :eek:I guess I am stupid. I max out the DPI on my mouse (7,200 dpi) because my wrists don't like to move sideways anymore. I use my fingers to control the mouse, much like people do with a trackball. :))Hey! Some of use high DPI.. idk about 14-20k DPI though, that might be a tad excessive.
Anything over 6400 means either you have a 4K/eyefinity/etc. screen or are stupid.See above :)
Hey! Some of use high DPI.. idk about 14-20k DPI though, that might be a tad excessive.
If they really want to test the equipment, the manufactures should strap the keyboard to a vibration plate. Then do the keystroke test. Maybe even toss in a mister. Something similar to the shake down of a commercial airplane would work.
What exactly do you use super high DPI on a mouse for?
Uh, in which case, yes, you need a trackball and not a mouse :D
The caps lock key shouldn't exist. It doesn't need to be relocated to where the control or backspace is, it needs to be nuked from space and all mention of its former existence stricken from public record. If you are typing enough sequential uppercase characters that you can't comfortably hold down shift to do it, than you're probably typing like an *******. Don't type like an *******.
Also the tilde key is a pointless waste of keyboard real estate and the backspace should be where the backslash is on an ANSI keyboard.
The caps lock key shouldn't exist. It doesn't need to be relocated to where the control or backspace is, it needs to be nuked from space and all mention of its former existence stricken from public record. If you are typing enough sequential uppercase characters that you can't comfortably hold down shift to do it, than you're probably typing like an *******. Don't type like an *******.
Also the tilde key is a pointless waste of keyboard real estate and the backspace should be where the backslash is on an ANSI keyboard.
Going to disagree here. The caps lock can be placed somewhere remote but should not be removed. It becomes tremendously useful when in game threads on /r/hockey where the rule for playoffs game threads is: OT = all caps, 2OT = bold caps, 3OT = bold italic caps. Loads of fun when you get into those situations (provided you aren't a fan of one of the teams involved, that is).
The caps lock key shouldn't exist. It doesn't need to be relocated to where the control or backspace is, it needs to be nuked from space and all mention of its former existence stricken from public record. If you are typing enough sequential uppercase characters that you can't comfortably hold down shift to do it, than you're probably typing like an *******. Don't type like an *******.
Going to disagree here. The caps lock can be placed somewhere remote but should not be removed. It becomes tremendously useful when in game threads on /r/hockey where the rule for playoffs game threads is: OT = all caps, 2OT = bold caps, 3OT = bold italic caps. Loads of fun when you get into those situations (provided you aren't a fan of one of the teams involved, that is).
The caps lock key shouldn't exist. It doesn't need to be relocated to where the control or backspace is, it needs to be nuked from space and all mention of its former existence stricken from public record. If you are typing enough sequential uppercase characters that you can't comfortably hold down shift to do it, than you're probably typing like an *******. Don't type like an *******.
Also the tilde key is a pointless waste of keyboard real estate and the backspace should be where the backslash is on an ANSI keyboard.
I think I like the texture of pbt caps more than my gmk caps but nothing beats the aesthetics of gmk caps.Agreed my friend :thumb:
We don't know if Gaterons are more reliable than genuine Cherry MX - and since they produce the Zealios, they will fall under that general statement.
The general impression given is they are unable to adhere to the same strict tolerances in their manufacturing process - this makes sense, as ultimately the Gateron specific switches are an attempt to provide a cheaper product alternative. It does seem that their community engagement and willingness to make tweaked products (Zealios!) sets them above their peers (Kailh, Greetech, etc).
An assumption behind your argument, that is not necessarily true, is that lower cost equals lower quality, which in contemporary manufacturing systems is just not true.
Especially now that Cherry switches are 20+ years old, I can't imagine that making a cheaper alternative would be that hard to do while maintaining or even surpassing the quality of the original.
There are certainly cases which lead credence to what both of you are indicating, however, with respect to Gateron, we know of switch chatter and switch wobble both being issues.
When specifically referring to Zealios, measures have been taken to reduce chatter, but Zeal has mentioned that convincing Gateron on tighter tolerances is still a a challenge to be overcome for R3.
This still does not address general reliability over a long period of time. If anyone has seen published figures with respect to MTBF or even before "out of spec" figures along with supporting evidence on how these figures were achieved, I'll gladly read them.
Regardless of how my cautious attitude above may be perceived, I do believe it a good thing clones may have the potential to force Cherry's hand, lest an option like Gateron continue to improve to the point of clearly asserting itself superiour.
You shouldn't gut HHKBs and put other switches like Novatouch in them. If you do that, you can't rightfully say your HHKB is an HHKB.
I think I like the texture of pbt caps more than my gmk caps but nothing beats the aesthetics of gmk caps.
The caps lock key shouldn't exist. It doesn't need to be relocated to where the control or backspace is, it needs to be nuked from space and all mention of its former existence stricken from public record. If you are typing enough sequential uppercase characters that you can't comfortably hold down shift to do it, than you're probably typing like an *******. Don't type like an *******.
Going to disagree here. The caps lock can be placed somewhere remote but should not be removed. It becomes tremendously useful when in game threads on /r/hockey where the rule for playoffs game threads is: OT = all caps, 2OT = bold caps, 3OT = bold italic caps. Loads of fun when you get into those situations (provided you aren't a fan of one of the teams involved, that is).
And I'm going to disagree with you: pressing shift twice to toggle caps is a much better way than capslock. May need firmware or OS support, but hey. Neither is particularly hard to come by.
I think I like the texture of pbt caps more than my gmk caps but nothing beats the aesthetics of gmk caps.
How's this. I don't mind mixing and matching GMK ABS modifiers with thick PBT alphas.
I frequent mechanical keyboard threads on tech sites mainly because I enjoy watching ppl with expensive DIY keyboards report back that something on their keyboard has gone wrong.:rolleyes:
Great laughs considering the cost was 2x+ of any keyboard I own.
https://linustechtips.com/main/topic/52-mechanical-keyboard-club/?do=findComment&comment=7506685
This guy spends $800 on custom keyboards. Lol can't wait to hear about something going wrong with them.
https://linustechtips.com/main/topic/52-mechanical-keyboard-club/?do=findComment&comment=7535921
It's all fun and games if it's just a hobby, but when they start to brag and recommend ridiculous crap to ppl that want a keyboard for it's functionality, not for the 'fun' of maintaining it, then it grows the fun I have laughing at them.
I frequent mechanical keyboard threads on tech sites mainly because I enjoy watching ppl with expensive DIY keyboards report back that something on their keyboard has gone wrong.
Great laughs considering the cost was 2x+ of any keyboard I own.
https://linustechtips.com/main/topic/52-mechanical-keyboard-club/?do=findComment&comment=7506685
This guy spends $800 on custom keyboards. Lol can't wait to hear about something going wrong with them.
https://linustechtips.com/main/topic/52-mechanical-keyboard-club/?do=findComment&comment=7535921
It's all fun and games if it's just a hobby, but when they start to brag and recommend ridiculous crap to ppl that want a keyboard for it's functionality, not for the 'fun' of maintaining it, then it grows the fun I have laughing at them.
I frequent mechanical keyboard threads on tech sites mainly because I enjoy watching ppl with expensive DIY keyboards report back that something on their keyboard has gone wrong.
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Sounds like jealousy to me :))I frequent mechanical keyboard threads on tech sites mainly because I enjoy watching ppl with expensive DIY keyboards report back that something on their keyboard has gone wrong.
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Never understood this level of schadenfreude.
I mean if people are being asses about it I guess, but short of that it seems rather mean spirited of you. :/
Sounds like jealousy to me :))
Sounds like jealousy to me :))
Maybe, tho I could afford to buy the parts and put one together if I wanted. My photography gear dwarfs the cost of keyboards. I'd agree, mean spirited, still the funniest America's Home Videos are always where something quite unfortunate happened to someone in the video isn't it?
Gonna have some gr8 laughs when yur photog gear bricks OuO
just for giggles
Gonna have some gr8 laughs when yur photog gear bricks OuO
just for giggles
I've dropped my $2k Zeiss lens once. It's heart stopping at the time but I look back on it with laughter.
Sounds like jealousy to me :))
Maybe, tho I could afford to buy the parts and put one together if I wanted. My photography gear dwarfs the cost of keyboards. I'd agree, mean spirited, still the funniest America's Home Videos are always where something quite unfortunate happened to someone in the video isn't it?
Gonna have some gr8 laughs when yur photog gear bricks OuO
just for giggles
I've dropped my $2k Zeiss lens once. It's heart stopping at the time but I look back on it with laughter.
Only a $2k lens? Amateur. I dropped and broke a $4-5k 300mm Canon lens once.
Only a $2k lens? Amateur. I dropped and broke a $4-5k 300mm Canon lens once.
Gonna have some gr8 laughs when yur photog gear bricks OuO
just for giggles
I've dropped my $2k Zeiss lens once. It's heart stopping at the time but I look back on it with laughter.
Only a $2k lens? Amateur. I dropped and broke a $4-5k 300mm Canon lens once.
Are we comparing stupidity?
I once bought a board with mx blacks on purpose. Boy is MY face red.
Beige key sets are disgusting. It didn't look good in the 90s either. Just because a thing is "retro" doesn't make it a good idea.
Retro SA, on the other hand, looks amazing.
Beige key sets are disgusting. It didn't look good in the 90s either. Just because a thing is "retro" doesn't make it a good idea.
Retro SA, on the other hand, looks amazing.
Have Nuclear Green Data set in signature. Opinion is invalid.
Beige key sets are disgusting. It didn't look good in the 90s either. Just because a thing is "retro" doesn't make it a good idea.
Retro SA, on the other hand, looks amazing.
The best keyboard ever.
Wireless, quiet, and no weird colors.
(Attachment Link)
The worst keyboard ever.
Loud, outdated (no win key & beige), bulky.
(Attachment Link)
The best keyboard ever.
Wireless, quiet, and no weird colors.
(Attachment Link)
The worst keyboard ever.
Loud, outdated (no win key & beige), bulky.
(Attachment Link)
Beige key sets are disgusting. It didn't look good in the 90s either. Just because a thing is "retro" doesn't make it a good idea.
Retro SA, on the other hand, looks amazing.
The best keyboard ever.
Wireless, quiet, and no weird colors.
(Attachment Link)
The worst keyboard ever.
Loud, outdated (no win key & beige), bulky.
(Attachment Link)
Beige key sets are disgusting. It didn't look good in the 90s either. Just because a thing is "retro" doesn't make it a good idea.
Retro SA, on the other hand, looks amazing.
you have the ugliest colorway sets on your sig >:D
The best keyboard ever.
Wireless, quiet, and no weird colors.
(Attachment Link)
The worst keyboard ever.
Loud, outdated (no win key & beige), bulky.
(Attachment Link)
not gonna lie the apple chiclet keyboard still has a place in my heart
I'll go one worse than the guy who said that Apple's Bluetooth keyboard is the best. I actually like the new butterfly switch keyboard used on the 2015 MacBook.
I'll go one worse than the guy who said that Apple's Bluetooth keyboard is the best. I actually like the new butterfly switch keyboard used on the 2015 MacBook.
I'll go one worse than the guy who said that Apple's Bluetooth keyboard is the best. I actually like the new butterfly switch keyboard used on the 2015 MacBook.
I've been told that people who like the previous MacBook keyboard will hate this one and vice versa, is that true?
The iPad Smart Keyboard is the best keyboard you can buy for $169.00 (if you're an iPad pro owner). It's super portable, conveniently attaches to your iPad with the smart connector, and doubles as an iPad cover.Show Image(https://i.ytimg.com/vi/pCGiY7sUoJ4/maxresdefault.jpg)
Beige key sets are disgusting. It didn't look good in the 90s either. Just because a thing is "retro" doesn't make it a good idea.
Retro SA, on the other hand, looks amazing.
Have Nuclear Green Data set in signature. Opinion is invalid.
Beige key sets are disgusting. It didn't look good in the 90s either. Just because a thing is "retro" doesn't make it a good idea.
Retro SA, on the other hand, looks amazing.
Have Nuclear Green Data set in signature. Opinion is invalid.
el oh el
Beige key sets are disgusting. It didn't look good in the 90s either. Just because a thing is "retro" doesn't make it a good idea.
Retro SA, on the other hand, looks amazing.
you have the ugliest colorway sets on your sig >:D
Beige key sets are disgusting. It didn't look good in the 90s either. Just because a thing is "retro" doesn't make it a good idea.
Retro SA, on the other hand, looks amazing.
you have the ugliest colorway sets on your sig >:D
^
Beige key sets are disgusting. It didn't look good in the 90s either. Just because a thing is "retro" doesn't make it a good idea.
Retro SA, on the other hand, looks amazing.
who threw up your signature?
The best keyboard ever.
Wireless, quiet, and no weird colors.
(Attachment Link)
Beige key sets are disgusting. It didn't look good in the 90s either. Just because a thing is "retro" doesn't make it a good idea.
The iPad Smart Keyboard is the best keyboard you can buy for $169.00 (if you're an iPad pro owner). It's super portable, conveniently attaches to your iPad with the smart connector, and doubles as an iPad cover.Show Image(https://i.ytimg.com/vi/pCGiY7sUoJ4/maxresdefault.jpg)
The iPad Smart Keyboard is the best keyboard you can buy for $169.00 (if you're an iPad pro owner). It's super portable, conveniently attaches to your iPad with the smart connector, and doubles as an iPad cover.
It is impressive that you took the time to make an account at GH, while you can go and post this comment in your wall at facebook instead, or maybe that picture at instagram, or tweet it, you may get friendly feedback there, or maybe you did not do that because nobody cares about your keyboard selection somewhere else. Welcome to GH, by the way.
The iPad Smart Keyboard is the best keyboard you can buy for $169.00 (if you're an iPad pro owner). It's super portable, conveniently attaches to your iPad with the smart connector, and doubles as an iPad cover.
It is impressive that you took the time to make an account at GH, while you can go and post this comment in your wall at facebook instead, or maybe that picture at instagram, or tweet it, you may get friendly feedback there, or maybe you did not do that because nobody cares about your keyboard selection somewhere else. Welcome to GH, by the way.
Well, this is the "Unpopular Keyboard Opinions" thread. :))
Adding springs does not make a rubber dome mechanical.
Adding springs does not make a rubber dome mechanical.Preach it!! 🙌
Adding springs does not make a rubber dome mechanical.Preach it!! 🙌
who is calling Topre mechanical? Topre is a very fancy rubber dome. Rubber dome doesn't necessarily mean it is a bad Keyboard.
Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/HPbajxs.jpg)
The dome is mostly there to keep that spring centered over the contact points. That is why I believe that topre has a place in the mechanical switch category
Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/HPbajxs.jpg)
The dome is mostly there to keep that spring centered over the contact points. That is why I believe that topre has a place in the mechanical switch category
Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/HPbajxs.jpg)
The dome is mostly there to keep that spring centered over the contact points. That is why I believe that topre has a place in the mechanical switch category
Eh, I have to disagree there.
There wouldn't be any tactile feeling if the domes weren't there. Honestly this whole "rubber dome" argument seems pretty repetitive. Even if technically it is a rubber dome, it isn't a "rubber dome"
When people talk about rubber dome boards they mean thisShow Image(http://www.digitalimage4k.com/wp-content/themes/shopperpress/thumbs/Dell-New-Keyboard.jpg)
Not thisShow Image(http://cms.whiterabbitexpress.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/02/pro2_overview_a_l.jpg)
Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/HPbajxs.jpg)
The dome is mostly there to keep that spring centered over the contact points. That is why I believe that topre has a place in the mechanical switch category
Eh, I have to disagree there.
There wouldn't be any tactile feeling if the domes weren't there. Honestly this whole "rubber dome" argument seems pretty repetitive. Even if technically it is a rubber dome, it isn't a "rubber dome"
When people talk about rubber dome boards they mean thisShow Image(http://www.digitalimage4k.com/wp-content/themes/shopperpress/thumbs/Dell-New-Keyboard.jpg)
Not thisShow Image(http://cms.whiterabbitexpress.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/02/pro2_overview_a_l.jpg)
So basically what you are saying is, people use the distinction for "regular 'crappy' boards like dell, hp, trust, oem, etc" vs not that?
That said, I don't necessarily think it's rubber dome or mechanical though, I think it's more of in between.
There is no tactile feeling associated with certain cherry mx/gateron etc. switches but no one is arguing on whether or not they're mechanical. This is interesting though!
Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/HPbajxs.jpg)
The dome is mostly there to keep that spring centered over the contact points. That is why I believe that topre has a place in the mechanical switch category
Eh, I have to disagree there.
There wouldn't be any tactile feeling if the domes weren't there. Honestly this whole "rubber dome" argument seems pretty repetitive. Even if technically it is a rubber dome, it isn't a "rubber dome"
When people talk about rubber dome boards they mean thisShow Image(http://www.digitalimage4k.com/wp-content/themes/shopperpress/thumbs/Dell-New-Keyboard.jpg)
Not thisShow Image(http://cms.whiterabbitexpress.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/02/pro2_overview_a_l.jpg)
There is no tactile feeling associated with certain cherry mx/gateron etc. switches but no one is arguing on whether or not they're mechanical. This is interesting though!
Switches aren't defined as mechanical as long as they have some sort of tactile feeling, it's more about how they're made
We should just make this easy and completely get rid of the name "mechanical keyboard"
Only "Premium keyboards"
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to be fair those dells aren't really too bad!Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/HPbajxs.jpg)
The dome is mostly there to keep that spring centered over the contact points. That is why I believe that topre has a place in the mechanical switch category
Eh, I have to disagree there.
There wouldn't be any tactile feeling if the domes weren't there. Honestly this whole "rubber dome" argument seems pretty repetitive. Even if technically it is a rubber dome, it isn't a "rubber dome"
When people talk about rubber dome boards they mean thisShow Image(http://www.digitalimage4k.com/wp-content/themes/shopperpress/thumbs/Dell-New-Keyboard.jpg)
Not thisShow Image(http://cms.whiterabbitexpress.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/02/pro2_overview_a_l.jpg)
to be fair those dells aren't really too bad!Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/HPbajxs.jpg)
The dome is mostly there to keep that spring centered over the contact points. That is why I believe that topre has a place in the mechanical switch category
Eh, I have to disagree there.
There wouldn't be any tactile feeling if the domes weren't there. Honestly this whole "rubber dome" argument seems pretty repetitive. Even if technically it is a rubber dome, it isn't a "rubber dome"
When people talk about rubber dome boards they mean thisShow Image(http://www.digitalimage4k.com/wp-content/themes/shopperpress/thumbs/Dell-New-Keyboard.jpg)
Not thisShow Image(http://cms.whiterabbitexpress.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/02/pro2_overview_a_l.jpg)
I always used the term "mechanical keyboard" for a keyboard that has separate switches. And Topre does in fact have functionally separate switches even if practically the domes are on a single sheet, because as many dome swap mods proven, as long as you line them up right you can cut them up to single switches.
Haha, I only mentioned that because you mentioned tactile feel as the reason you disagreed with me.
I agree that we should call them hybrid switches. Calling them mechanical switches might produce headaches. Headaches are not good for businessShow Image(http://yoursmiles.org/ksmile/snail/k4711.gif)
Haha, I only mentioned that because you mentioned tactile feel as the reason you disagreed with me.
I agree that we should call them hybrid switches. Calling them mechanical switches might produce headaches. Headaches are not good for businessShow Image(http://yoursmiles.org/ksmile/snail/k4711.gif)
Aren't Topre switches marketed as "hybrid capacitive switches", at least by CM?
Why do you guys insist on calling topre a mechanical switch?
keep it simple... Topre is simply a "Topre switch"
Also there are no mechanical parts inside a topre switch. It is a plunger that only goes up and down.
Why do you guys insist on calling topre a mechanical switch?
keep it simple... Topre is simply a "Topre switch"
Also there are no mechanical parts inside a topre switch. It is a plunger that only goes up and down.
Nope, not true. There is a conic spring inside the switch housing:
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Why do you guys insist on calling topre a mechanical switch?
keep it simple... Topre is simply a "Topre switch"
Also there are no mechanical parts inside a topre switch. It is a plunger that only goes up and down.
Nope, not true. There is a conic spring inside the switch housing:
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I know what a topre switch is.. but what I am saying is that topre is simply a dome you press that goes up and down. The spring is just there so the switch activates and how is that any different from a rubber dome? The spring is just a different method of switch activation. You can probably place a tiny piece of conductive metal to the top of an topre plunger and the switch will still activate.
https://deskthority.net/wiki/Rubber_dome
This thing about what actually makes a keyboard mechanical has been discussed multiple times before; but, it is always an interesting aspect of our trade; truth be told, anything that has moving parts is by definition a mechanism, therefore, it is irrelevant if the mechanism includes rubber, steel or plastic parts; thus, by definition, all keyboards are mechanical, unless they do not have moving parts. Touchscreen devices that offer a "keyboard" are not mechanical, but even the vibrators some phones and tablets use to give the user some feedback of the typing action are mechanical devices, maybe the keyboard is not mechanical but the feedback mechanism and the software that synchronize it with the user's action is. Also, in some aspects, the screen's layers of capacitive materials that registered the input of the user are also mechanical devices, a flexible net is bended to record the position of the touch on it, that later will be translated into an action by a complex code sequence. Mechatronics plus Infotronics devices surround our daily activities.
This discussion will never end, however, mechanical actuators based on rubber components and those based on metallic and plastic ones make a different typing experience. Each group of users would like to think that they are using the only true mechanical keyboard and there is no reason to try to convince them otherwise, let each mechanical keyboard user to enjoy their devices, they earned that right when they decided to pay a lot more for their keyboards than those that decided that there is no reason to replace the stock rubber dome keyboards that came with their PCs. Do not let them to know that even the last are users of mechanical keyboards, a cheaper iteration yes, but mechanical at the end.
I actually like a definition of "mechanical" according to which an ordinary rubber dome is mechanical, but Topre is not: if it relies on making mechanical contact between parts to detect keypresses, then it's mechanical, and otherwise it's not. I like this definition because a lot of the other options seem basically arbitrary-- I mean, there's nothing inherently "mechanical" about metal but not rubber, for instance.
IIRC some sources of keyboard information from past decades used this definition, which is why you'll occasionally see statements about mechanical keyboards being the cheapest and least reliable kind of keyboard...
I actually like a definition of "mechanical" according to which an ordinary rubber dome is mechanical, but Topre is not: if it relies on making mechanical contact between parts to detect keypresses, then it's mechanical, and otherwise it's not. I like this definition because a lot of the other options seem basically arbitrary-- I mean, there's nothing inherently "mechanical" about metal but not rubber, for instance.
IIRC some sources of keyboard information from past decades used this definition, which is why you'll occasionally see statements about mechanical keyboards being the cheapest and least reliable kind of keyboard...
I actually like a definition of "mechanical" according to which an ordinary rubber dome is mechanical, but Topre is not: if it relies on making mechanical contact between parts to detect keypresses, then it's mechanical, and otherwise it's not. I like this definition because a lot of the other options seem basically arbitrary-- I mean, there's nothing inherently "mechanical" about metal but not rubber, for instance.
IIRC some sources of keyboard information from past decades used this definition, which is why you'll occasionally see statements about mechanical keyboards being the cheapest and least reliable kind of keyboard...
Mechanical is the least reliable. This one below has infinite keypresses; let's see Cherry beat that! Type till you die!!!
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Artisan keycaps, even those by some of the top names, are ugly as ****. Give me vintage Cherry doubleshots over those any day.
Artisan keycaps, even those by some of the top names, are ugly as ****. Give me vintage Cherry doubleshots over those any day.
I'll never really understand artisan keycaps. How a little piece of plastic can cost over $400 is beyond me.
Artisan keycaps, even those by some of the top names, are ugly as ****. Give me vintage Cherry doubleshots over those any day.
I'll never really understand artisan keycaps. How a little piece of plastic can cost over $400 is beyond me.
Artisan keycaps, even those by some of the top names, are ugly as ****. Give me vintage Cherry doubleshots over those any day.
I'll never really understand artisan keycaps. How a little piece of plastic can cost over $400 is beyond me.
Really? Which cap was it that sold for $400?
who is calling Topre mechanical? Topre is a very fancy rubber dome. Rubber dome doesn't necessarily mean it is a bad Keyboard.
Well, technically, Topre literally is NOT a rubber dome because there is a switch that registers the key press, NOT the contact between rubber dome and PCB. There is still a switch with a stem that slides in the housing.
Rubber dome indeed does not necessary mean it is a bad keyboard though most rubber domes are POS.
Artisan keycaps, even those by some of the top names, are ugly as ****. Give me vintage Cherry doubleshots over those any day.
Artisan keycaps, even those by some of the top names, are ugly as ****. Give me vintage Cherry doubleshots over those any day.
I'll never really understand artisan keycaps. How a little piece of plastic can cost over $400 is beyond me.
Really? Which cap was it that sold for $400?
Click Clacks at the height of CC mania. I think Iremember jcrouse buying one for $500 in a GH fundraiser.
Oh wow, they were that popular?! Holy moley :eek:Multiple have sold for over $900 :)
1. You shouldn't buy any boards with MX clones
2. ABS caps are bad
3. All keyboards should be ortholinear
4. The QWERTY layout should be revised
1. You shouldn't buy any boards with MX clones
2. ABS caps are bad
3. All keyboards should be ortholinear
4. The QWERTY layout should be revised
About #1, while some MX clones are inferior, Gaterons and Zealios are often better than their Cherry counterparts.
1. You shouldn't buy any boards with MX clones
2. ABS caps are bad
3. All keyboards should be ortholinear
4. The QWERTY layout should be revised
About #1, while some MX clones are inferior, Gaterons and Zealios are often better than their Cherry counterparts.
I wouldn't calm them better as they have their own sets of issues. Gaterons appear to be more prone to chattering and they have more stem wobble.
i'd have to agree. there's so few artisan caps that actually piqued my interest.Artisan keycaps, even those by some of the top names, are ugly as ****. Give me vintage Cherry doubleshots over those any day.
I'll never really understand artisan keycaps. How a little piece of plastic can cost over $400 is beyond me.
At least Clacks looked pretty good. Some of the garbage I've seen on r/MK makes me question their mental faculties.
Everything Logitech is overrated.wow, this is quite extreme :))
1. You shouldn't buy any boards with MX clonesanother extreme opinion we have here :))
2. ABS caps are bad
3. All keyboards should be ortholinear
4. The QWERTY layout should be revised
clacks sculls? some even go above $900, i've heard.Artisan keycaps, even those by some of the top names, are ugly as ****. Give me vintage Cherry doubleshots over those any day.
I'll never really understand artisan keycaps. How a little piece of plastic can cost over $400 is beyond me.
Really? Which cap was it that sold for $400?
Artisan keycaps, even those by some of the top names, are ugly as ****. Give me vintage Cherry doubleshots over those any day.
I'll never really understand artisan keycaps. How a little piece of plastic can cost over $400 is beyond me.
Artisan keycaps, even those by some of the top names, are ugly as ****. Give me vintage Cherry doubleshots over those any day.
I'll never really understand artisan keycaps. How a little piece of plastic can cost over $400 is beyond me.
you don't understand or you don't want to understand?
it's pretty easy to understand. people want stuff. people have money. people buy the stuff with the money they have at the prices they think it's worth it.
it's not a new concept. every hobby has it.
Change the stabs?
The shift and backspace keys on the Model M are just impossible to press with a pinky.
1. You shouldn't buy any boards with MX clones
2. ABS caps are bad
3. All keyboards should be ortholinear
4. The QWERTY layout should be revised
Artisan caps are like the genital warts of a keyboard.
1. You shouldn't buy any boards with MX clonesI'd honestly rather use Greetechs new Cherry is so awful feeling.
you know, it looks like 70~80% of this thread is only talking about topre switch and 60% keyboard being overrated, i suppose :))This guy gets it.
ISO kits are ugly
Unpopular Keyboard Opinions
The shift and backspace keys on the Model M are just impossible to press with a pinky.
ISO kits are ugly and the Enter key just feels horrible to use.
ISO kits are uglyQuoteUnpopular Keyboard Opinions
MX blues are terrible
ISO kits are ugly and the Enter key just feels horrible to use.
I don't think this is unpopular. ISO Is pointless
So uh. I don't know if this is actually an unpopular opinion. I also don't know if I've posted this before. In fact, I probably have. Not sure. Ever since going on a diet several months ago, I've been kind of out of it, so now I sometimes repeat myself like a senile old person (even more than I used to).
Right.
Trackpoints.MoreMore specifically, the fact that decent versions for normal-profile keyboards with acceptable durability and enough sensitivity to be used on a modern monitor at 6/11 Windows cursor speed (EPP off of course), need to be made to exist, and that every keyboard should then have one.
Why? Well, think of the main reasons that home desktop users appeal to when they try to explain those deformed, stubby little compact keyboards that so many enthusiasts buy. Specifically "it lets you keep your hands closer together, in a more natural position," or "it makes it faster and easier to switch back and forth between the keyboard and mouse."
Anything (okay, almost anything) a compact keyboard, no matter how small-- even 60%, even 40%-- does in those regards, a keyboard with a TrackPoint, even if it's full-size, heck, even if it's a monster with double function rows and macro keys on both size, does better. And it does it without having to sacrifice any keys at all. I guess I could still see using a stunted keyboard if you spend many hours every day playing FPS and really want to use a conventional mouse for it, despite the ergonomic disadvantages of such a device, but even then, you should still have a TrackPoint too for anything else you might want to do at your computer. In fact, given that the TrackPoint takes up very little additional space-- just a tiny bit of extra thickness for the bottom edge to accommodate the buttons-- even if you strongly prefer a different pointing device, you should have a TrackPoint anyway, just to let you vary the motions you're using for mousing (remember, the "R" in "RSI" stands for repetitive).
Conveniently, if all keyboards had TrackPoints, then all keycap sets would have compatible G, H, and B keycaps, so there would not be any problems in that regard.
Sometimes people complain about the danger of hitting the TrackPoint by accident. Personally, I'm not convinced that this is real. I have a screwed up typing style where I press some of the keys in the middle area of the keyboard with either hand depending on what has come before, so if anyone was going to bump into the TrackPoint by accident, it'd be me. But, thinking back to all of the things I did on my ThinkPad, I can't recall that ever actually happening.
Anyway, yeah. TrackPoints. People who supply components to keyboard makers need to get on that.
MX blues are terrible
So uh. I don't know if this is actually an unpopular opinion. I also don't know if I've posted this before. In fact, I probably have. Not sure. Ever since going on a diet several months ago, I've been kind of out of it, so now I sometimes repeat myself like a senile old person (even more than I used to).
Right.
Trackpoints.
More specifically, the fact that decent versions for normal-profile keyboards with acceptable durability and enough sensitivity to be used on a modern monitor at 6/11 Windows cursor speed (EPP off of course), need to be made to exist, and that every keyboard should then have one.
Why? Well, think of the main reasons that home desktop users appeal to when they try to explain those deformed, stubby little compact keyboards that so many enthusiasts buy. Specifically "it lets you keep your hands closer together, in a more natural position," or "it makes it faster and easier to switch back and forth between the keyboard and mouse."
Anything (okay, almost anything) a compact keyboard, no matter how small-- even 60%, even 40%-- does in those regards, a keyboard with a TrackPoint, even if it's full-size, heck, even if it's a monster with double function rows and macro keys on both size, does better. And it does it without having to sacrifice any keys at all. I guess I could still see using a stunted keyboard if you spend many hours every day playing FPS and really want to use a conventional mouse for it, despite the ergonomic disadvantages of such a device, but even then, you should still have a TrackPoint too for anything else you might want to do at your computer. In fact, given that the TrackPoint takes up very little additional space-- just a tiny bit of extra thickness for the bottom edge to accommodate the buttons-- even if you strongly prefer a different pointing device, you should have a TrackPoint anyway, just to let you vary the motions you're using for mousing (remember, the "R" in "RSI" stands for repetitive).
Conveniently, if all keyboards had TrackPoints, then all keycap sets would have compatible G, H, and B keycaps, so there would not be any problems in that regard.
Sometimes people complain about the danger of hitting the TrackPoint by accident. Personally, I'm not convinced that this is real. I have a screwed up typing style where I press some of the keys in the middle area of the keyboard with either hand depending on what has come before, so if anyone was going to bump into the TrackPoint by accident, it'd be me. But, thinking back to all of the things I did on my ThinkPad, I can't recall that ever actually happening.
Anyway, yeah. TrackPoints. People who supply components to keyboard makers need to get on that.
I prefer the ISO layout and I almost teared up when I read FoxWolf1's plea for more trackpoints :pI can't possibly put into words how strongly I agree to this. It was the reason I built a board which in turn got me into this hobby in the first place.
For TrackPoints to be interesting, crank up the sensitivity and increase acceleration, only then do they really shine. They become borderline telepathic.
Having used a custom layout for almost two weeks now, I came to the conclusion that all modifiers should be toggleable: instead of holding down shift, alt, ctrl and the rest, press & release to toggle them on, press again to toggle them off. I found that this makes it much more comfortable to type, and use key chords: I don't have to hold multiple buttons, thus, less gymnastics for the fingers, and I can put the modifiers to a place where toggling them is trivial and fast, but holding them would be a pain in the backside: the thumb cluster on the ErgoDox. As such, I was able to banish the capslock key, as my shift does the same thing, but better (it also shifts the number row too, which caps doesn't).
Best experiment ever. Now I'm convinced this should be the default on every keyboard.
Having used a custom layout for almost two weeks now, I came to the conclusion that all modifiers should be toggleable: instead of holding down shift, alt, ctrl and the rest, press & release to toggle them on, press again to toggle them off. I found that this makes it much more comfortable to type, and use key chords: I don't have to hold multiple buttons, thus, less gymnastics for the fingers, and I can put the modifiers to a place where toggling them is trivial and fast, but holding them would be a pain in the backside: the thumb cluster on the ErgoDox. As such, I was able to banish the capslock key, as my shift does the same thing, but better (it also shifts the number row too, which caps doesn't).
Best experiment ever. Now I'm convinced this should be the default on every keyboard.
god, this reminds me of the asshats i know who type capital letters by toggling caps lock. they're not toggle-able because it would be annoying as hell to hit shift, press i, and then hit shift again. idk if it works for you, excellent, but this is definitely one of the more unpopular posts in the thread LOL
MX blues are terrible
All Cherry switches are crappy and scratchy even with lube.
Alps for the win.
Having used a custom layout for almost two weeks now, I came to the conclusion that all modifiers should be toggleable: instead of holding down shift, alt, ctrl and the rest, press & release to toggle them on, press again to toggle them off. I found that this makes it much more comfortable to type, and use key chords: I don't have to hold multiple buttons, thus, less gymnastics for the fingers, and I can put the modifiers to a place where toggling them is trivial and fast, but holding them would be a pain in the backside: the thumb cluster on the ErgoDox. As such, I was able to banish the capslock key, as my shift does the same thing, but better (it also shifts the number row too, which caps doesn't).
Best experiment ever. Now I'm convinced this should be the default on every keyboard.
god, this reminds me of the asshats i know who type capital letters by toggling caps lock. they're not toggle-able because it would be annoying as hell to hit shift, press i, and then hit shift again. idk if it works for you, excellent, but this is definitely one of the more unpopular posts in the thread LOL
Having used a custom layout for almost two weeks now, I came to the conclusion that all modifiers should be toggleable: instead of holding down shift, alt, ctrl and the rest, press & release to toggle them on, press again to toggle them off. I found that this makes it much more comfortable to type, and use key chords: I don't have to hold multiple buttons, thus, less gymnastics for the fingers, and I can put the modifiers to a place where toggling them is trivial and fast, but holding them would be a pain in the backside: the thumb cluster on the ErgoDox. As such, I was able to banish the capslock key, as my shift does the same thing, but better (it also shifts the number row too, which caps doesn't).
Best experiment ever. Now I'm convinced this should be the default on every keyboard.
god, this reminds me of the asshats i know who type capital letters by toggling caps lock. they're not toggle-able because it would be annoying as hell to hit shift, press i, and then hit shift again. idk if it works for you, excellent, but this is definitely one of the more unpopular posts in the thread LOL
It really is not annoying. Mentally, you do 3 actions anyway: press shift, tap key, release shift. I do 3 actions too: tap shift, tap key, tap shift. Since my shift is at my thumb, this is really fast, effortless, and less gymnastics for my fingers, since I do not have to hold anything. Apparently, I'm not the only one (http://seanwrona.com/typing.php) (see typing tips at the end).
Sorry, that method sounds awful to me. I don't want to tap shift twice because, by the time the first tap is finished, I have already pressed the letter. The technique is to tap shift once and just time when you press the letter so that that key gets below the activation point before shift gets back above it. It should feel like you're just pressing the two simultaneously; with practice, your subconscious and/or the keyboard firmware will make sure the order comes out right.
If you're not going to hold it down, at least use sticky keys.
Toggle would be even worse than sticky keys
If you're not going to hold it down, at least use sticky keys.
Toggle would be even worse than sticky keys
If you're not going to hold it down, at least use sticky keys.
Toggle would be even worse than sticky keys
I love holding things down. I would rather hold shift instead of pressing caps lock. Even for whole sentences.
Sorry, that method sounds awful to me. I don't want to tap shift twice because, by the time the first tap is finished, I have already pressed the letter. The technique is to tap shift once and just time when you press the letter so that that key gets below the activation point before shift gets back above it. It should feel like you're just pressing the two simultaneously; with practice, your subconscious and/or the keyboard firmware will make sure the order comes out right.
That still doesn't solve the issue of having to actuate them at roughly the same time, thus, finger gymnastics
Right.Hahahaha no. Games can be divided into two categories: "mouse > keyboard-only > trackpad" and "keyboard only > mouse > trackpad". And we're not even talking about controllers.
Trackpoints.
(...) I guess I could still see using a stunted keyboard if you spend many hours every day playing FPS and really want to use a conventional mouse for it, despite the ergonomic disadvantages of such a device, but even then, you should still have a TrackPoint too for anything else you might want to do at your computer.
Conveniently, if all keyboards had TrackPoints, then all keycap sets would have compatible G, H, and B keycaps, so there would not be any problems in that regard.And people that don't want QWERTY caps(which, if you're talking about ergonomics, you should mention) would be screwed. And I don't mean like right now, where they can rearrange keycaps as long as they aren't profiled, I mean completely screwed.
Sometimes people complain about the danger of hitting the TrackPoint by accident. Personally, I'm not convinced that this is real.
Having used a custom layout for almost two weeks now, I came to the conclusion that all modifiers should be toggleable: instead of holding down shift, alt, ctrl and the rest, press & release to toggle them on, press again to toggle them off. I found that this makes it much more comfortable to type, and use key chords: I don't have to hold multiple buttons, thus, less gymnastics for the fingers, and I can put the modifiers to a place where toggling them is trivial and fast, but holding them would be a pain in the backside: the thumb cluster on the ErgoDox. As such, I was able to banish the capslock key, as my shift does the same thing, but better (it also shifts the number row too, which caps doesn't).
Best experiment ever. Now I'm convinced this should be the default on every keyboard.
god, this reminds me of the asshats i know who type capital letters by toggling caps lock. they're not toggle-able because it would be annoying as hell to hit shift, press i, and then hit shift again. idk if it works for you, excellent, but this is definitely one of the more unpopular posts in the thread LOL
It really is not annoying. Mentally, you do 3 actions anyway: press shift, tap key, release shift. I do 3 actions too: tap shift, tap key, tap shift. Since my shift is at my thumb, this is really fast, effortless, and less gymnastics for my fingers, since I do not have to hold anything. Apparently, I'm not the only one (http://seanwrona.com/typing.php) (see typing tips at the end).
Flipped spacebar is the most comfortable orientation, no matter the sitting posture, heathens and their inferiority complex who say otherwise should be ridiculed when ever possible.
Having used a custom layout for almost two weeks now, I came to the conclusion that all modifiers should be toggleable: instead of holding down shift, alt, ctrl and the rest, press & release to toggle them on, press again to toggle them off. I found that this makes it much more comfortable to type, and use key chords: I don't have to hold multiple buttons, thus, less gymnastics for the fingers, and I can put the modifiers to a place where toggling them is trivial and fast, but holding them would be a pain in the backside: the thumb cluster on the ErgoDox. As such, I was able to banish the capslock key, as my shift does the same thing, but better (it also shifts the number row too, which caps doesn't).
Best experiment ever. Now I'm convinced this should be the default on every keyboard.
god, this reminds me of the asshats i know who type capital letters by toggling caps lock. they're not toggle-able because it would be annoying as hell to hit shift, press i, and then hit shift again. idk if it works for you, excellent, but this is definitely one of the more unpopular posts in the thread LOL
It really is not annoying. Mentally, you do 3 actions anyway: press shift, tap key, release shift. I do 3 actions too: tap shift, tap key, tap shift. Since my shift is at my thumb, this is really fast, effortless, and less gymnastics for my fingers, since I do not have to hold anything. Apparently, I'm not the only one (http://seanwrona.com/typing.php) (see typing tips at the end).
Come on, does it really take a rhythm game guy to make you see that a "tap" is TWO actions, a press and a release, just without a break inbetween? And Capslock's behaviour with not shifting up numbers is a good thing, if you ever want to type out a serial code or something. Not enough to make it take up the rightful place of control, but still useful enough to keep on a layer or an unused key if you have one.
Caps Lock is overrated
Caps Lock is overrated
This is a fact and facts are undisputed.
2. I don't understand the appeal of Ergodox.I don't understand the appeal of ErgoDox in 2016.
Caps Lock is overrated
This is a fact and facts are undisputed.
Caps Lock is overrated
This is a fact and facts are undisputed.
Dispute! For caps lock to be 'overrated,' it would need to be possible to like caps lock less. Since no one likes caps lock at all, its rating is adequate.
2. I don't understand the appeal of Ergodox.I don't understand the appeal of ErgoDox in 2016.
It was brilliant in 2013-2014: a custom split mechanical keyboard with a reasonable layout, and you could actually buy the PCBs and cases.
Nowadays though? The process of building custom keyboards is extremely well documented; some mass-produced split mechanical keyboards are readily available (Matias Ergo Pro) or will be quite soon (keyboard.io M01, new kinesis).
Documentation, tools and parts are much better than a few years ago. Building a truly custom keyboard with a much better layout than the ErgoDox is much easier these days.2. I don't understand the appeal of Ergodox.I don't understand the appeal of ErgoDox in 2016.
It was brilliant in 2013-2014: a custom split mechanical keyboard with a reasonable layout, and you could actually buy the PCBs and cases.
Nowadays though? The process of building custom keyboards is extremely well documented; some mass-produced split mechanical keyboards are readily available (Matias Ergo Pro) or will be quite soon (keyboard.io M01, new kinesis).
Just because a mass-produced version is available doesn't mean people won't do a custom.
That's like saying I should've just bought a Leopold instead of a Clueboard or everyone should buy Pok3rs instead of whichever custom 60% is hot at any given moment.
2. I don't understand the appeal of Ergodox.I don't understand the appeal of ErgoDox in 2016.
It was brilliant in 2013-2014: a custom split mechanical keyboard with a reasonable layout, and you could actually buy the PCBs and cases.
Nowadays though? The process of building custom keyboards is extremely well documented; some mass-produced split mechanical keyboards are readily available (Matias Ergo Pro) or will be quite soon (keyboard.io M01, new kinesis).
2. I don't understand the appeal of Ergodox.I don't understand the appeal of ErgoDox in 2016.
It was brilliant in 2013-2014: a custom split mechanical keyboard with a reasonable layout, and you could actually buy the PCBs and cases.
Nowadays though? The process of building custom keyboards is extremely well documented; some mass-produced split mechanical keyboards are readily available (Matias Ergo Pro) or will be quite soon (keyboard.io M01, new kinesis).
I don't understand the appeal of building a custom keyboard [...]
2. I don't understand the appeal of Ergodox.I don't understand the appeal of ErgoDox in 2016.
It was brilliant in 2013-2014: a custom split mechanical keyboard with a reasonable layout, and you could actually buy the PCBs and cases.
Nowadays though? The process of building custom keyboards is extremely well documented; some mass-produced split mechanical keyboards are readily available (Matias Ergo Pro) or will be quite soon (keyboard.io M01, new kinesis).
I don't understand the appeal of building a custom keyboard [...]
Some people like putting things together, or they just want something super specific in a board.
2. I don't understand the appeal of Ergodox.I don't understand the appeal of ErgoDox in 2016.
It was brilliant in 2013-2014: a custom split mechanical keyboard with a reasonable layout, and you could actually buy the PCBs and cases.
Nowadays though? The process of building custom keyboards is extremely well documented; some mass-produced split mechanical keyboards are readily available (Matias Ergo Pro) or will be quite soon (keyboard.io M01, new kinesis).
I don't understand the appeal of building a custom keyboard [...]
Some people like putting things together, or they just want something super specific in a board.
Simple: layout. Stock ErgoDox thumb clusters are *very* far from great.2. I don't understand the appeal of Ergodox.I don't understand the appeal of ErgoDox in 2016.
It was brilliant in 2013-2014: a custom split mechanical keyboard with a reasonable layout, and you could actually buy the PCBs and cases.
Nowadays though? The process of building custom keyboards is extremely well documented; some mass-produced split mechanical keyboards are readily available (Matias Ergo Pro) or will be quite soon (keyboard.io M01, new kinesis).
I don't understand the appeal of building a custom keyboard, nor do I understand why one should wait for some keyboard that will come Someday(tm), instead of buying one NOW (and still buy the future one too, because we buy keyboards anyway). I do not understand why people think that a thumbcluster-less keyboard would be an adequate alternative to the ErgoDox.
There are keyboard's users, collectors and creators, they have different mind sets regarding keyboards, they do not match, they do not mix and they cannot agree. Some are in two, or even three categories at once though.
Simple: layout. Stock ErgoDox thumb clusters are *very* far from great.2. I don't understand the appeal of Ergodox.I don't understand the appeal of ErgoDox in 2016.
It was brilliant in 2013-2014: a custom split mechanical keyboard with a reasonable layout, and you could actually buy the PCBs and cases.
Nowadays though? The process of building custom keyboards is extremely well documented; some mass-produced split mechanical keyboards are readily available (Matias Ergo Pro) or will be quite soon (keyboard.io M01, new kinesis).
I don't understand the appeal of building a custom keyboard, nor do I understand why one should wait for some keyboard that will come Someday(tm), instead of buying one NOW (and still buy the future one too, because we buy keyboards anyway). I do not understand why people think that a thumbcluster-less keyboard would be an adequate alternative to the ErgoDox.
Modding a HHKB with 55G domes is a sin.
ABS keycaps need to just go away. When I get a new board, I order a new set of PBT keycaps almost immediately if the board doesn't already come with them.Although I certainly agree with you that artisans are horrendously ugly and tacky, I don't see why ABS should just "go away". I like ABS a lot because the texture is soft, not rough and gritty like PBT. I do like PBT, but ABS really has its places as well. Don't tell me that PBT is shine resistant, either. I have some keycaps on a 14-year-old Unicomp that are far shinier than any ABS set that I own.
- No, it really doesn't matter that the ABS caps are doubleshot or tripleshot or 'omg they look like some high-end old-school keyset'. They are still inferior.
ABS keycaps need to just go away. When I get a new board, I order a new set of PBT keycaps almost immediately if the board doesn't already come with them.Although I certainly agree with you that artisans are horrendously ugly and tacky, I don't see why ABS should just "go away". I like ABS a lot because the texture is soft, not rough and gritty like PBT. I do like PBT, but ABS really has its places as well. Don't tell me that PBT is shine resistant, either. I have some keycaps on a 14-year-old Unicomp that are far shinier than any ABS set that I own.
- No, it really doesn't matter that the ABS caps are doubleshot or tripleshot or 'omg they look like some high-end old-school keyset'. They are still inferior.
Neither is quite correct.ABS keycaps need to just go away. When I get a new board, I order a new set of PBT keycaps almost immediately if the board doesn't already come with them.Although I certainly agree with you that artisans are horrendously ugly and tacky, I don't see why ABS should just "go away". I like ABS a lot because the texture is soft, not rough and gritty like PBT. I do like PBT, but ABS really has its places as well. Don't tell me that PBT is shine resistant, either. I have some keycaps on a 14-year-old Unicomp that are far shinier than any ABS set that I own.
- No, it really doesn't matter that the ABS caps are doubleshot or tripleshot or 'omg they look like some high-end old-school keyset'. They are still inferior.
But the Matias Ergo Pro does NOT have a thumb cluster at allYeah, and not everyone needs thumb clusters (esp. too far out) or wants to get used a completely new physical layout. That option didn't exist a few years back, but it does not.
the Kinesis isn't split, so they're very far from being viable alternativesKinesis Freestyle is completely split, and a version with Cherry MX might pop up eventually; speaking of that, the soft domes in the current freestyle are supposedly comparable to goldtouch's, which are excellent. The V3 kit, that was originally meant for it, is one of the best solutions to tent other keyboards, including the ErgoDox.
But the Matias Ergo Pro does NOT have a thumb cluster at allYeah, and not everyone needs thumb clusters (esp. too far out) or wants to get used a completely new physical layout. That option didn't exist a few years back, but it does not.
the Kinesis isn't split, so they're very far from being viable alternativesKinesis Freestyle is completely split, and a version with Cherry MX might pop up eventually;
Kinesis Advantage provides hand separation too, although it's fixed at average shoulder width—one size doesn't fit all, but OTOH the single-piece design is much more convenient in other ways (no dealing with interconnection, typing on the lap, moving around)… the IBM M15's and keyboard.io M01's ability to bind both halves into one piece is very nice.
It is interesting to read about the experiences and uses of the ergodox; but, how someone can take notes with one hand, while at the phone on one half of a key board, only? LOL. Well, the passion comes in the middle of the logic.
It is interesting to read about the experiences and uses of the ergodox; but, how someone can take notes with one hand, while at the phone on one half of a key board, only? LOL. Well, the passion comes in the middle of the logic.
Blackwidow tournament edition is a nice keyboard
It is interesting to read about the experiences and uses of the ergodox; but, how someone can take notes with one hand, while at the phone on one half of a key board, only? LOL. Well, the passion comes in the middle of the logic.
In my case, no phone is involved, but people tend to gather around my desk and we brainstorm, with me taking notes. There are a number of one-handed layouts that get you all the keys you need, on one hand, but you'll have to use a modifier, most often. For example, on my - currently very experimental - one-handed layer, the right side is available after hitting a toggle key. So "hello world" is typed like this: "OeYYo JoPYA" the shifted chars are what they'd be on the right side, assuming a Dvorak layout. I lose a number of things, like shift, backspace, and entering symbols becomes a bit of an awkward dance, but for what I need it for, it works remarkably well, and will improve as I get more comfortable with the keyboard, and tweak the layout further.
It is interesting to read about the experiences and uses of the ergodox; but, how someone can take notes with one hand, while at the phone on one half of a key board, only? LOL. Well, the passion comes in the middle of the logic.
In my case, no phone is involved, but people tend to gather around my desk and we brainstorm, with me taking notes. There are a number of one-handed layouts that get you all the keys you need, on one hand, but you'll have to use a modifier, most often. For example, on my - currently very experimental - one-handed layer, the right side is available after hitting a toggle key. So "hello world" is typed like this: "OeYYo JoPYA" the shifted chars are what they'd be on the right side, assuming a Dvorak layout. I lose a number of things, like shift, backspace, and entering symbols becomes a bit of an awkward dance, but for what I need it for, it works remarkably well, and will improve as I get more comfortable with the keyboard, and tweak the layout further.
Get a Matias keyboard for six hundred dollars.
It is interesting to read about the experiences and uses of the ergodox; but, how someone can take notes with one hand, while at the phone on one half of a key board, only? LOL. Well, the passion comes in the middle of the logic.
In my case, no phone is involved, but people tend to gather around my desk and we brainstorm, with me taking notes. There are a number of one-handed layouts that get you all the keys you need, on one hand, but you'll have to use a modifier, most often. For example, on my - currently very experimental - one-handed layer, the right side is available after hitting a toggle key. So "hello world" is typed like this: "OeYYo JoPYA" the shifted chars are what they'd be on the right side, assuming a Dvorak layout. I lose a number of things, like shift, backspace, and entering symbols becomes a bit of an awkward dance, but for what I need it for, it works remarkably well, and will improve as I get more comfortable with the keyboard, and tweak the layout further.
Get a Matias keyboard for six hundred dollars.
No, thanks. My $300 ErgoDox EZ is perfectly adequate for the task, and I can always switch back to two-handed mode, once the people go away.
Supply/demand.
2. I don't understand the appeal of Ergodox.I don't understand the appeal of ErgoDox in 2016.
It was brilliant in 2013-2014: a custom split mechanical keyboard with a reasonable layout, and you could actually buy the PCBs and cases.
Nowadays though? The process of building custom keyboards is extremely well documented; some mass-produced split mechanical keyboards are readily available (Matias Ergo Pro) or will be quite soon (keyboard.io M01, new kinesis).
I don't understand the appeal of building a custom keyboard, nor do I understand why one should wait for some keyboard that will come Someday(tm), instead of buying one NOW (and still buy the future one too, because we buy keyboards anyway). I do not understand why people think that a thumbcluster-less keyboard would be an adequate alternative to the ErgoDox.
I'm gonna be properly unpopular here and say that I love my Apple MB110LL/B. I've tried out the Razor Mechanical Gaming Keyboards and I feel that the key travel is far too much. The Apple has the perfect feel for my fingers.Show Image(http://store.storeimages.cdn-apple.com/4973/as-images.apple.com/is/image/AppleInc/aos/published/images/M/B1/MB110LL/MB110LL?wid=572&hei=572&fmt=jpeg&qlt=95&op_sharpen=0&resMode=bicub&op_usm=0.5,0.5,0,0&iccEmbed=0&layer=comp&.v=SEKkz2)
I'm gonna be properly unpopular here and say that I love my Apple MB110LL/B. I've tried out the Razor Mechanical Gaming Keyboards and I feel that the key travel is far too much. The Apple has the perfect feel for my fingers.Why are you here again?Show Image(http://store.storeimages.cdn-apple.com/4973/as-images.apple.com/is/image/AppleInc/aos/published/images/M/B1/MB110LL/MB110LL?wid=572&hei=572&fmt=jpeg&qlt=95&op_sharpen=0&resMode=bicub&op_usm=0.5,0.5,0,0&iccEmbed=0&layer=comp&.v=SEKkz2)
at knightjp: If you are happy with an out of the shelf apple keyboard, it does not make sense that you invest time in a site devoted to the input devices you do not need, nor like. I'd say, the comment is not unpopular, it is just insane, or more precisely, it is schizophrenic. (schizophrenia: a mental disorder characterized by an abnormal interpretation of reality, a mix of hallucinations and delusions).
at knightjp: If you are happy with an out of the shelf apple keyboard, it does not make sense that you invest time in a site devoted to the input devices you do not need, nor like. I'd say, the comment is not unpopular, it is just insane, or more precisely, it is schizophrenic. (schizophrenia: a mental disorder characterized by an abnormal interpretation of reality, a mix of hallucinations and delusions).
In light of this, I would like to share another possibly unpopular opinion of mine: it is entirely okay to be enthusiastic about keyboards, admire all the good stuff on here and elsewhere, yet, still prefer non-mechs. My wife, for example, loves when I babble about keyboards, show them pictures I saw here, describe how I tweaked my ErgoDox firmware today, what I plan to do next with it, and so on. She is even happy to offer insight, as an outside observer, and many a times, she saw things in my ideas I did not, and that was incredibly helpful.
Yet, she'd never type on a mech. It's not her thing, and that little typing she does, is more comfortable for her on a rubberdome or touch-screen keyboard. That does not change, or lower her interest in how I and other people use their keyboards. She has no interest in learning to touch-type, she'll hunt and peck forever, and that's fine. For her, mechs have an awful lot of key travel, because she'll mash the keys and bottom out as on a rubberdome. And the sound! No amount of lube, o-rings or anything will make a mech as quiet as her touchscreen keyboard (which she uses with one hand mostly, anyway).
at knightjp: If you are happy with an out of the shelf apple keyboard, it does not make sense that you invest time in a site devoted to the input devices you do not need, nor like. I'd say, the comment is not unpopular, it is just insane, or more precisely, it is schizophrenic. (schizophrenia: a mental disorder characterized by an abnormal interpretation of reality, a mix of hallucinations and delusions).
In light of this, I would like to share another possibly unpopular opinion of mine: it is entirely okay to be enthusiastic about keyboards, admire all the good stuff on here and elsewhere, yet, still prefer non-mechs. My wife, for example, loves when I babble about keyboards, show them pictures I saw here, describe how I tweaked my ErgoDox firmware today, what I plan to do next with it, and so on. She is even happy to offer insight, as an outside observer, and many a times, she saw things in my ideas I did not, and that was incredibly helpful.
Yet, she'd never type on a mech. It's not her thing, and that little typing she does, is more comfortable for her on a rubberdome or touch-screen keyboard. That does not change, or lower her interest in how I and other people use their keyboards. She has no interest in learning to touch-type, she'll hunt and peck forever, and that's fine. For her, mechs have an awful lot of key travel, because she'll mash the keys and bottom out as on a rubberdome. And the sound! No amount of lube, o-rings or anything will make a mech as quiet as her touchscreen keyboard (which she uses with one hand mostly, anyway).
A "thoughtful" explanation on her "weird" behavior: She loves you.
at knightjp: If you are happy with an out of the shelf apple keyboard, it does not make sense that you invest time in a site devoted to the input devices you do not need, nor like. I'd say, the comment is not unpopular, it is just insane, or more precisely, it is schizophrenic. (schizophrenia: a mental disorder characterized by an abnormal interpretation of reality, a mix of hallucinations and delusions).
In light of this, I would like to share another possibly unpopular opinion of mine: it is entirely okay to be enthusiastic about keyboards, admire all the good stuff on here and elsewhere, yet, still prefer non-mechs. My wife, for example, loves when I babble about keyboards, show them pictures I saw here, describe how I tweaked my ErgoDox firmware today, what I plan to do next with it, and so on. She is even happy to offer insight, as an outside observer, and many a times, she saw things in my ideas I did not, and that was incredibly helpful.
Yet, she'd never type on a mech. It's not her thing, and that little typing she does, is more comfortable for her on a rubberdome or touch-screen keyboard. That does not change, or lower her interest in how I and other people use their keyboards. She has no interest in learning to touch-type, she'll hunt and peck forever, and that's fine. For her, mechs have an awful lot of key travel, because she'll mash the keys and bottom out as on a rubberdome. And the sound! No amount of lube, o-rings or anything will make a mech as quiet as her touchscreen keyboard (which she uses with one hand mostly, anyway).
A "thoughtful" explanation on her "weird" behavior: She loves you.
Doesn't change the fact that there are reasons one can be enthusiastic about a hobby, while not having that hobby herself. Another example: I love reading about custom keyboards, seeing pictures, build logs and whatnot. Yet, I have absolutely no desire to build anything, even though the best threads I read on here, are about building. I have watched more build videos I can count. But there's no way I'd build anything myself. Nor do I understand why other people find it interesting - but I'm glad they do, because they provide me with hours of entertainment.
In a similar way, someone who prefers non-mechs may still enjoy looking at the mech world from outside. Like you look at, say, fish, without the desire to become one. Or athletics, without any motivation to do more than walk to work.
What I'm trying to say, is that you can be a fan of a hobby, without having the same hobby yourself. And there's nothing wrong or strange with that.
Topre are underrated.
Ok.Topre are underrated.
This is not unpopular, it is just funny, joke funny. :))
Ok.Topre are underrated.
This is not unpopular, it is just funny, joke funny. :))
I thought case mounting is huge compromise to the HHKB construction philosophy. They should be PCB monuted, but conspiracy of Topre can't allow it.
Ok.Topre are underrated.
This is not unpopular, it is just funny, joke funny. :))
I thought case mounting is huge compromise to the HHKB construction philosophy. They should be PCB monuted, but conspiracy of Topre can't allow it.
And now exactly would you pcb mount topre domes?
And now exactly would you pcb mount topre domes?
"space saving keyboards" are a great way of selling less for more. give it a new name, market it as being hip and voila $$$$Are there any upcoming trends on the space wasting keyboards?
"space saving keyboards" are a great way of selling less for more. give it a new name, market it as being hip and voila $$$$Are there any upcoming trends on the space wasting keyboards?
"space saving keyboards" are a great way of selling less for more. give it a new name, market it as being hip and voila $$$$
Another popular strategy: take a keyboard, remove some of the features commonly mentioned in "gamer" marketing, add nothing whatsoever in return, increase the price, sell to "enthusiasts," and laugh all the way to the bank as they aim to defend their purchases on the basis of "quality".
The Ultra Compact Modern Case F62 Model F Keyboard – “Kishsaver” looks good imoI dont think this is unpopular, I like it too
"space saving keyboards" are a great way of selling less for more. give it a new name, market it as being hip and voila $$$$Are there any upcoming trends on the space wasting keyboards?
The space wasting keyboard.
Just a desk with a keyboard built into it.
Only it has a slight angle, and renders the desk basically useless.
I think a 30% keyboard is a feasible everyday keyboard to use.
(26 letters, Enter, FN, Backspace, Space, Shift, and everything else on FN layers.)
I think a 30% keyboard is a feasible everyday keyboard to use.
(26 letters, Enter, FN, Backspace, Space, Shift, and everything else on FN layers.)
Pure evil.
I think a 30% keyboard is a feasible everyday keyboard to use.I've thought about this, but realistically, it doesn't make sense.
(26 letters, Enter, FN, Backspace, Space, Shift, and everything else on FN layers.)
I think a 30% keyboard is a feasible everyday keyboard to use.Thats disgusting. I have trouble using my 60% every day :))
(26 letters, Enter, FN, Backspace, Space, Shift, and everything else on FN layers.)
I think a 30% keyboard is a feasible everyday keyboard to use.I've thought about this, but realistically, it doesn't make sense.
(26 letters, Enter, FN, Backspace, Space, Shift, and everything else on FN layers.)
Punctuation is too common to be skipped, at least two of them are way too common.
OTOH, Enter and Backspace could be skipped—you can use Control sequences in software instead, provided the software isn't MS Windows.
That puts you to 28 symbols, spacebar and Ctrl-Alt-Shift-Fn modifiers. Realistically though, the modifiers should be mirrored to avoid weird hand contortions. Moreover, there should be more modifiers to get all expected symbols/functions: if you count only non-letter symbols present on US QWERTY's primary layer, that's already ~26 (digits + special punctuation).
However, with enough chording it's getting closer to a chording keyboard. Then you don't even need one key per letter.
Sure, if your end goal is a torture device, it's a decent concept, although I believe, that it can be "improved"… For example, by using the TNWMLC symbol arrangement (http://mkweb.bcgsc.ca/carpalx/?worst_layout).
In that case, Unpopular Opinions is the right place for this.
30%I think somehow someone make a telegraph key keyboard. Pure minimalistic 1% keyboard.
Matias half-QWERTY doesn't have 1 key per letter.Sure, if your end goal is a torture device, it's a decent concept, although I believe, that it can be "improved"… For example, by using the TNWMLC symbol arrangement (http://mkweb.bcgsc.ca/carpalx/?worst_layout).
In that case, Unpopular Opinions is the right place for this.
I do think the one-handed concept that Matias uses is a good start to building a 30% though, it's actually where I got the idea.
Quote30%I think somehow someone make a telegraph key keyboard. Pure minimalistic 1% keyboard.
Yep, at this point I'm looking at all the ways I can do this and it's not 100% feasible. I was considering the numpad layer to be sideways on the keyboard, so it'd be completely janky to use, but it'd probably make a pretty proof of concept.Matias half-QWERTY doesn't have 1 key per letter.Sure, if your end goal is a torture device, it's a decent concept, although I believe, that it can be "improved"… For example, by using the TNWMLC symbol arrangement (http://mkweb.bcgsc.ca/carpalx/?worst_layout).
In that case, Unpopular Opinions is the right place for this.
I do think the one-handed concept that Matias uses is a good start to building a 30% though, it's actually where I got the idea.
Single-hand Maltron is closer, but it obviously has the extra keypad outside the keywell, because computer systems expect the availability of those keys.
Also, all you technically need is something like a 6row tenkey, and Unicode input.
Yep, at this point I'm looking at all the ways I can do this and it's not 100% feasible. I was considering the numpad layer to be sideways on the keyboard, so it'd be completely janky to use, but it'd probably make a pretty proof of concept.Matias half-QWERTY doesn't have 1 key per letter.Sure, if your end goal is a torture device, it's a decent concept, although I believe, that it can be "improved"… For example, by using the TNWMLC symbol arrangement (http://mkweb.bcgsc.ca/carpalx/?worst_layout).
In that case, Unpopular Opinions is the right place for this.
I do think the one-handed concept that Matias uses is a good start to building a 30% though, it's actually where I got the idea.
Single-hand Maltron is closer, but it obviously has the extra keypad outside the keywell, because computer systems expect the availability of those keys.
Also, all you technically need is something like a 6row tenkey, and Unicode input.
It is 3 times more keys and have a terrible bezel.Quote30%I think somehow someone make a telegraph key keyboard. Pure minimalistic 1% keyboard.Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/6gz0B3k.jpg)
Yep, at this point I'm looking at all the ways I can do this and it's not 100% feasible. I was considering the numpad layer to be sideways on the keyboard, so it'd be completely janky to use, but it'd probably make a pretty proof of concept.Matias half-QWERTY doesn't have 1 key per letter.Sure, if your end goal is a torture device, it's a decent concept, although I believe, that it can be "improved"… For example, by using the TNWMLC symbol arrangement (http://mkweb.bcgsc.ca/carpalx/?worst_layout).
In that case, Unpopular Opinions is the right place for this.
I do think the one-handed concept that Matias uses is a good start to building a 30% though, it's actually where I got the idea.
Single-hand Maltron is closer, but it obviously has the extra keypad outside the keywell, because computer systems expect the availability of those keys.
Also, all you technically need is something like a 6row tenkey, and Unicode input.
GH36 might be enough keys (6x6 matrix). I hate to think about it anymore than that because it's pure evil.
Edit: I hate you for making me think about this. >:DShow Image(http://i.imgur.com/Drs0qOP.png)
MoreYep, at this point I'm looking at all the ways I can do this and it's not 100% feasible. I was considering the numpad layer to be sideways on the keyboard, so it'd be completely janky to use, but it'd probably make a pretty proof of concept.Matias half-QWERTY doesn't have 1 key per letter.Sure, if your end goal is a torture device, it's a decent concept, although I believe, that it can be "improved"… For example, by using the TNWMLC symbol arrangement (http://mkweb.bcgsc.ca/carpalx/?worst_layout).
In that case, Unpopular Opinions is the right place for this.
I do think the one-handed concept that Matias uses is a good start to building a 30% though, it's actually where I got the idea.
Single-hand Maltron is closer, but it obviously has the extra keypad outside the keywell, because computer systems expect the availability of those keys.
Also, all you technically need is something like a 6row tenkey, and Unicode input.
GH36 might be enough keys (6x6 matrix). I hate to think about it anymore than that because it's pure evil.
Edit: I hate you for making me think about this. >:DShow Image(http://i.imgur.com/Drs0qOP.png)
I'm so sorry. Do we have a therapy room for you? Somewhere? Anywhere?
MoreYep, at this point I'm looking at all the ways I can do this and it's not 100% feasible. I was considering the numpad layer to be sideways on the keyboard, so it'd be completely janky to use, but it'd probably make a pretty proof of concept.Matias half-QWERTY doesn't have 1 key per letter.Sure, if your end goal is a torture device, it's a decent concept, although I believe, that it can be "improved"… For example, by using the TNWMLC symbol arrangement (http://mkweb.bcgsc.ca/carpalx/?worst_layout).
In that case, Unpopular Opinions is the right place for this.
I do think the one-handed concept that Matias uses is a good start to building a 30% though, it's actually where I got the idea.
Single-hand Maltron is closer, but it obviously has the extra keypad outside the keywell, because computer systems expect the availability of those keys.
Also, all you technically need is something like a 6row tenkey, and Unicode input.
GH36 might be enough keys (6x6 matrix). I hate to think about it anymore than that because it's pure evil.
Edit: I hate you for making me think about this. >:DShow Image(http://i.imgur.com/Drs0qOP.png)
I'm so sorry. Do we have a therapy room for you? Somewhere? Anywhere?
I'm going back to the GH-122 thread to hang out with people who love comically-oversized keyboards.
MoreYep, at this point I'm looking at all the ways I can do this and it's not 100% feasible. I was considering the numpad layer to be sideways on the keyboard, so it'd be completely janky to use, but it'd probably make a pretty proof of concept.Matias half-QWERTY doesn't have 1 key per letter.Sure, if your end goal is a torture device, it's a decent concept, although I believe, that it can be "improved"… For example, by using the TNWMLC symbol arrangement (http://mkweb.bcgsc.ca/carpalx/?worst_layout).
In that case, Unpopular Opinions is the right place for this.
I do think the one-handed concept that Matias uses is a good start to building a 30% though, it's actually where I got the idea.
Single-hand Maltron is closer, but it obviously has the extra keypad outside the keywell, because computer systems expect the availability of those keys.
Also, all you technically need is something like a 6row tenkey, and Unicode input.
GH36 might be enough keys (6x6 matrix). I hate to think about it anymore than that because it's pure evil.
Edit: I hate you for making me think about this. >:DShow Image(http://i.imgur.com/Drs0qOP.png)
I'm so sorry. Do we have a therapy room for you? Somewhere? Anywhere?
I'm going back to the GH-122 thread to hang out with people who love comically-oversized keyboards.
If you can find it in your heart, I do like comically oversized keyboards. I just have these flights of fancies with small. I just want a reason to get super blacks and put them on a keyboard. Q_Q. But super blacks are so rare...
"space saving keyboards" are a great way of selling less for more. give it a new name, market it as being hip and voila $$$$Are there any upcoming trends on the space wasting keyboards?
slightly on topic - is it possible to buy a board of keys with a usb socket on the end which is programmable? eg 8 rows of keys x 8
slightly on topic - is it possible to buy a board of keys with a usb socket on the end which is programmable? eg 8 rows of keys x 8
I don't think so? I haven't seen any ICs or GBs either here or on the chinese forums that were 8x8. I've only seen numpads in those configurations, and even those are hard to find.
I think a 30% keyboard is a feasible everyday keyboard to use.
(26 letters, Enter, FN, Backspace, Space, Shift, and everything else on FN layers.)
["Esc","Q\n\n\n\n1","W\n\n\n\n2","E\n\n\n\n3","R\n\n\n\n4","T\n\n\n\n5","Y\n\n\n\n6","U\n\n\n\n7","I\n\n\n\n8","O\n\n\n\n9","P\n\n\n\n0","{\n[\n\n\n-","}\n]\n\n\n=","|\n\\\n\n\n~"],
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[{w:1.75},"Shift","Z\n\n\n\nF1","X\n\n\n\nF2","C\n\n\n\nF3","V\n\n\n\nF4","B\n\n\n\nF5","N\n\n\n\nF6","M\n\n\n\nF7","<\n,\n\n\nF8",">\n.\n\n\nF9","?\n/\n\n\nF10",{w:2.25},"Caps Lock\n\n\n\nScrollLk"],
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I think a 30% keyboard is a feasible everyday keyboard to use.
(26 letters, Enter, FN, Backspace, Space, Shift, and everything else on FN layers.)
I remember trying to cram a board into a small layout, I think with one FN layer you need at least 46 keys or something like that.
EDIT: 45 to have every key on a TLK represented once, and with nothing on Fn+mods so you can do Alt+F4 and stuff. If you can part with a single key(like Menu), you can turn that into 44.Code: [Select]["Esc","Q\n\n\n\n1","W\n\n\n\n2","E\n\n\n\n3","R\n\n\n\n4","T\n\n\n\n5","Y\n\n\n\n6","U\n\n\n\n7","I\n\n\n\n8","O\n\n\n\n9","P\n\n\n\n0","{\n[\n\n\n-","}\n]\n\n\n=","|\n\\\n\n\n~"],
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[{w:1.75},"Shift","Z\n\n\n\nF1","X\n\n\n\nF2","C\n\n\n\nF3","V\n\n\n\nF4","B\n\n\n\nF5","N\n\n\n\nF6","M\n\n\n\nF7","<\n,\n\n\nF8",">\n.\n\n\nF9","?\n/\n\n\nF10",{w:2.25},"Caps Lock\n\n\n\nScrollLk"],
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I don't remember the technical term for it though. D:
I don't remember the technical term for it though. D:
I believe the word you're looking for is "retarded" or maybe it's "fu*king retarded"?
Cherry MX Red switches while great for gaming are one of the worst switches for typing in existence.All of you who describe reds as scratchy just have a switches from a bad batch.
Between them being too easy to actuate and the Cherry variant in particular feeling scratchy and insanely easy to bottom out on being fairly uncomfortable due to this....unless you have feathers for fingers i see MX Reds as useless for anything but pure gaming.
Cherry MX Red switches while great for gaming are one of the worst switches for typing in existence.All of you who describe reds as scratchy just have a switches from a bad batch.
Between them being too easy to actuate and the Cherry variant in particular feeling scratchy and insanely easy to bottom out on being fairly uncomfortable due to this....unless you have feathers for fingers i see MX Reds as useless for anything but pure gaming.
Cherry MX Red switches while great for gaming are one of the worst switches for typing in existence.All of you who describe reds as scratchy just have a switches from a bad batch.
Between them being too easy to actuate and the Cherry variant in particular feeling scratchy and insanely easy to bottom out on being fairly uncomfortable due to this....unless you have feathers for fingers i see MX Reds as useless for anything but pure gaming.
I've never had an issue with scratchiness, but I also bottom out the majority of my keystrokes on all switches I've tried (including blacks and clears), so I suppose I just don't feel it. I figured the people complaining about the scratchiness must have really sensitive fingers, or type extremely lightly and slowly.
Cherry MX Red switches while great for gaming are one of the worst switches for typing in existence.All of you who describe reds as scratchy just have a switches from a bad batch.
Between them being too easy to actuate and the Cherry variant in particular feeling scratchy and insanely easy to bottom out on being fairly uncomfortable due to this....unless you have feathers for fingers i see MX Reds as useless for anything but pure gaming.
Cherry MX Red switches while great for gaming are one of the worst switches for typing in existence.All of you who describe reds as scratchy just have a switches from a bad batch.
Between them being too easy to actuate and the Cherry variant in particular feeling scratchy and insanely easy to bottom out on being fairly uncomfortable due to this....unless you have feathers for fingers i see MX Reds as useless for anything but pure gaming.
I have tried Reds on several boards not limited to but including.
Corsair K65 RGB
KUL 87 ES
pok3r
Ganss G.S 87
Numerous loose switches
IN any and all cases they have felt scratchy to me honestly, even cheaper switches with heavier springs like Outemu blacks felt smoother. But of course as with anything it's subjective and YMMV. But i have yet to feel a red i consider smooth from Cherry (I have not yet used Gateron reds aside from a loose switch)
Is it possible EVERY single red iv'e tried over a period of time were all from a bad batch? Sure...but it's far more likely my personal opinion is i just find them scratchy.
Is it possible EVERY single red iv'e tried over a period of time were all from a bad batch? Sure...but it's far more likely my personal opinion is i just find them scratchy.Or maybe not?
Cherry MX Red switches while great for gaming are one of the worst switches for typing in existence.
Between them being too easy to actuate and the Cherry variant in particular feeling scratchy and insanely easy to bottom out on being fairly uncomfortable due to this....unless you have feathers for fingers i see MX Reds as useless for anything but pure gaming.
Cherry MX Red switches while great for gaming are one of the worst switches for typing in existence.All of you who describe reds as scratchy just have a switches from a bad batch.
Between them being too easy to actuate and the Cherry variant in particular feeling scratchy and insanely easy to bottom out on being fairly uncomfortable due to this....unless you have feathers for fingers i see MX Reds as useless for anything but pure gaming.
I have tried Reds on several boards not limited to but including.
Corsair K65 RGB
KUL 87 ES
pok3r
Ganss G.S 87
Numerous loose switches
IN any and all cases they have felt scratchy to me honestly, even cheaper switches with heavier springs like Outemu blacks felt smoother. But of course as with anything it's subjective and YMMV. But i have yet to feel a red i consider smooth from Cherry (I have not yet used Gateron reds aside from a loose switch)
Is it possible EVERY single red iv'e tried over a period of time were all from a bad batch? Sure...but it's far more likely my personal opinion is i just find them scratchy.
Are they feel scratchy due to the rough surface of slider or a spring? Are they more scratchy if you pushed the keys fast or slow?QuoteIs it possible EVERY single red iv'e tried over a period of time were all from a bad batch? Sure...but it's far more likely my personal opinion is i just find them scratchy.Or maybe not?
Maybe bad batches is not that rare thing and most of it is bad and only few is ok?
Or maybe something changed in manufacturing processes?
There is only two theories I have.
Cherry MX Red switches while great for gaming are one of the worst switches for typing in existence.All of you who describe reds as scratchy just have a switches from a bad batch.
Between them being too easy to actuate and the Cherry variant in particular feeling scratchy and insanely easy to bottom out on being fairly uncomfortable due to this....unless you have feathers for fingers i see MX Reds as useless for anything but pure gaming.
I have tried Reds on several boards not limited to but including.
Corsair K65 RGB
KUL 87 ES
pok3r
Ganss G.S 87
Numerous loose switches
IN any and all cases they have felt scratchy to me honestly, even cheaper switches with heavier springs like Outemu blacks felt smoother. But of course as with anything it's subjective and YMMV. But i have yet to feel a red i consider smooth from Cherry (I have not yet used Gateron reds aside from a loose switch)
Is it possible EVERY single red iv'e tried over a period of time were all from a bad batch? Sure...but it's far more likely my personal opinion is i just find them scratchy.
Are they feel scratchy due to the rough surface of slider or a spring? Are they more scratchy if you pushed the keys fast or slow?QuoteIs it possible EVERY single red iv'e tried over a period of time were all from a bad batch? Sure...but it's far more likely my personal opinion is i just find them scratchy.Or maybe not?
Maybe bad batches is not that rare thing and most of it is bad and only few is ok?
Or maybe something changed in manufacturing processes?
There is only two theories I have.
Given how much smoother Gateron switches have been compared to their cherry counterparts i'm quite curious to use and try Gateron reds as i'd be willing to be it's a Cherry thing. Even the kailh reds i have used felt a little better than the Cherry switches (Though more inconsistent)
Far as your question they definitely feel scratchier when i pushed them slower but it was noticeable typing at full speed. The only time i have ever enjoyed reds (and unlikely to change) is from a pure gaming standpoint. Constantly bottoming out on a switch due to it being so light with no tactility is far from comfortable either.
On a side note for what it's worth i also feel Cherry MX Blacks are very scratchy and their counterparts from Outemu and Gateron were far far smoother. The only reason i don't mind blacks as much is i don't bottom out on them and when some 0.4 O-Rings combined with the stiffer force they are far more tolerable for myself at least.
I'm on Gateron Brown switches, having come from Cherry MX Blues, and I'm beginning to think the 'smoothness' really just does not matter on anything but linear switches.
Huge difference between kaihl blues and gaterons in my opinion. Gaterons were way smoother. That being said they're both still ****.I'm on Gateron Brown switches, having come from Cherry MX Blues, and I'm beginning to think the 'smoothness' really just does not matter on anything but linear switches.
I can definitely feel a very noticeable difference in Cherry Blues vs Gateron blues personally.
I'm actually wanting to try out some Gateron reds. Any 75% boards or TKL around with them? No desire to touch anything smaller than a 75% and I've already got a nice Ducky full-size.
I'm actually wanting to try out some Gateron reds. Any 75% boards or TKL around with them? No desire to touch anything smaller than a 75% and I've already got a nice Ducky full-size.
https://mechanicalkeyboards.com/shop/index.php?l=product_detail&p=1654 (https://mechanicalkeyboards.com/shop/index.php?l=product_detail&p=1654) If you still insist on having useless keys :p TKL sized backlit W/ Gateron Reds under 90$ US.
I'm actually wanting to try out some Gateron reds. Any 75% boards or TKL around with them? No desire to touch anything smaller than a 75% and I've already got a nice Ducky full-size.
I'm actually wanting to try out some Gateron reds. Any 75% boards or TKL around with them? No desire to touch anything smaller than a 75% and I've already got a nice Ducky full-size.
https://mechanicalkeyboards.com/shop/index.php?l=product_detail&p=1654 (https://mechanicalkeyboards.com/shop/index.php?l=product_detail&p=1654) If you still insist on having useless keys :p TKL sized backlit W/ Gateron Reds under 90$ US.
- It's usually cheaper to buy an old keyboard with MX compatible keycaps than to buy a new set
and old caps are better. OG cherry > GMK all day everyday
- It's usually cheaper to buy an old keyboard with MX compatible keycaps than to buy a new set
and old caps are better. OG cherry > GMK all day everyday
I can confirm by first hand experience that OG Cherry sets are far better than brand new GMK's.
i like leaving pizza grease on my keyboard. it gives me that extra boost in speed needed in this competitive world of typing really fast.
- It's usually cheaper to buy an old keyboard with MX compatible keycaps than to buy a new set
and old caps are better. OG cherry > GMK all day everyday
I can confirm by first hand experience that OG Cherry sets are far better than brand new GMK's.
Just got my first clack - they're massively overhyped and not worth it at all.
Just got my first clack - they're massively overhyped and not worth it at all.
GMK uses the original Cherry tooling and moulds right?
Just got my first clack - they're massively overhyped and not worth it at all.
Sometimes you can't appreciate or dislike a thing until you put your hands on it.Just got my first clack - they're massively overhyped and not worth it at all.
Everyone is entitled to their opinion but i feel i must ask the following.
Clacks unlike say buying into a mystery product...you know what it looks like beforehand..you know exactly what you are buying before you buy it. So what in essence is over hyped about it that led to your disappointment? I'm actually quite curious.
Sometimes you can't appreciate or dislike a thing until you put your hands on it.Just got my first clack - they're massively overhyped and not worth it at all.
Everyone is entitled to their opinion but i feel i must ask the following.
Clacks unlike say buying into a mystery product...you know what it looks like beforehand..you know exactly what you are buying before you buy it. So what in essence is over hyped about it that led to your disappointment? I'm actually quite curious.
GMK uses the original Cherry tooling and moulds right? I feel like the GMK sets I have are almost identical to the OG Cherry sets I have.
But you can't really "Experience" An artisan keycap...you are either buying it for looks,for collection or be "that guy" who buys to resell.
But you can't really "Experience" An artisan keycap...you are either buying it for looks,for collection or be "that guy" who buys to resell.
I disagree entirely. I had little interest in Clacks until I actually had one in hand and could feel it. The sculpt is just so perfectly textured to the touch, it's a real joy to interact with and use. Skulls aren't a huge interest of mine, but Clack has put together a perfectly sculpted cap and I didn't realize that until putting it on a board and touching it.
YMMV ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
But you can't really "Experience" An artisan keycap...you are either buying it for looks,for collection or be "that guy" who buys to resell.
I disagree entirely. I had little interest in Clacks until I actually had one in hand and could feel it. The sculpt is just so perfectly textured to the touch, it's a real joy to interact with and use. Skulls aren't a huge interest of mine, but Clack has put together a perfectly sculpted cap and I didn't realize that until putting it on a board and touching it.
YMMV ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
YMMV of course as with much else in the world of mechanical keyboards :p Given that i personally use artisans on keys i nearly never ever use i just personally feel as though one doesn't "Experience" an artisan in the same way for example one experiences a mechanical switch.
But i see your point.
But you can't really "Experience" An artisan keycap...you are either buying it for looks,for collection or be "that guy" who buys to resell.
I disagree entirely. I had little interest in Clacks until I actually had one in hand and could feel it. The sculpt is just so perfectly textured to the touch, it's a real joy to interact with and use. Skulls aren't a huge interest of mine, but Clack has put together a perfectly sculpted cap and I didn't realize that until putting it on a board and touching it.
YMMV ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
YMMV of course as with much else in the world of mechanical keyboards :p Given that i personally use artisans on keys i nearly never ever use i just personally feel as though one doesn't "Experience" an artisan in the same way for example one experiences a mechanical switch.
But i see your point.
Sometimes you can't appreciate or dislike a thing until you put your hands on it.Just got my first clack - they're massively overhyped and not worth it at all.
Everyone is entitled to their opinion but i feel i must ask the following.
Clacks unlike say buying into a mystery product...you know what it looks like beforehand..you know exactly what you are buying before you buy it. So what in essence is over hyped about it that led to your disappointment? I'm actually quite curious.
With certain things like say different switches i would agree entirely. But you can't really "Experience" An artisan keycap...you are either buying it for looks,for collection or be "that guy" who buys to resell.
Which is why i am very curious about the post authors thoughts as to why he/she thinks the way they do. It's all opinion and non are invalid i'm just curious as to specifics.
My Gateron browns are noticeably more scratchy then my Cherry browns. They're more tactile as well though, which is nice
After having a work keyboard with Matias Quiet Click switches and an ergonomically RealForce 87U at home for the past few months...End game for you might possibly be Brown ALPS.
...I've, uh, decided I like the Matias switches more. And I've switched to a Mini Tactile Pro (with the "non-quiet" Matias switches) at home now. I think I may like those a little more than the MQC switches, although they're sure not quiet. They're quieter, and better-feeling, than the Alps clones that Matias was using in their previous generation, though.
I like Topre switches better than any of the Cherry switches I've tried, with the possible exception of the clears. (I haven't tried anything but stock MX switches, though.) That's not an unpopular opinion, but the Topres just...don't quite do it for me. Maybe if I'd gone with uniform 45g or 55g weights, I'd have a different opinion, but the Matias switches are as close to personal end game as I'm likely to get. (Famous last words.)
Agreed! Winkeykess looks cool, but losing the GUI key is silly, especially for Mac users.
Winkey is essential if you don't do more than 90% of your work in terminals.
Agreed! Winkeykess looks cool, but losing the GUI key is silly, especially for Mac users.
Winkey is essential if you don't do more than 90% of your work in terminals.
Agreed! Winkeykess looks cool, but losing the GUI key is silly, especially for Mac users.
Winkey is essential if you don't do more than 90% of your work in terminals.
LIES - AS A MANUFACTURER I WANT TO SAVE MONEY BY REMOVING KEYS AND TELLING PEOPLE IT'S COOL AND TO BE COOL YOU HAVE TO PAY A PREMIUM. GIVE ME MORE MONEY FOR LESS KEYS
Winkey is essential if you don't do more than 90% of your work in terminals.
I really don't like clears. No matter how "ergo" they are. I think browns are much better.
Just got my first clack - they're massively overhyped and not worth it at all.
Everyone is entitled to their opinion but i feel i must ask the following... Clacks unlike say buying into a mystery product...you know what it looks like beforehand..you know exactly what you are buying before you buy it. So what in essence is over hyped about it that led to your disappointment? I'm actually quite curious.
Sometimes you can't appreciate or dislike a thing until you put your hands on it.
Caps lock is the most useless key in history and everyone not swapping it for CTRL or something otherwise useful is a big dum-dum...
Just got my first clack - they're massively overhyped and not worth it at all.
When you're willing to pay hundreds of bucks for a single key button (assuming it's not encrusted with diamonds or something), how can you be surprised that you were "hyped" into it? Getting people to that point requires a huge amount of hype—not just from the person who develops the item, but from buyers and potential buyers, a certain number of whom must agree the item's worth that much. If you hadn't read, over and over, that there was something remarkably special about it—and before that, been conditioned to accept the general idea of "artisan caps"—would you have paid much more than $20 for it? (The fact that it's hand-carved would always give it some special value.)Everyone is entitled to their opinion but i feel i must ask the following... Clacks unlike say buying into a mystery product...you know what it looks like beforehand..you know exactly what you are buying before you buy it. So what in essence is over hyped about it that led to your disappointment? I'm actually quite curious.
Sometimes you can't appreciate or dislike a thing until you put your hands on it.
But how would you expect a small piece of plastic to feel? And when you're actually using it, you're pressing a carved-up surface rather than a smooth one—so how on earth could you discern the difference between it and any other material? Maybe I'm missing something.Caps lock is the most useless key in history and everyone not swapping it for CTRL or something otherwise useful is a big dum-dum...
I agree about Caps Lock—but why map it to Ctrl? Two Ctrl keys isn't enough? (Personally, I think I'd map it to period, CR, CR.)
This is obviously a whole esthetic that's beyond my comprehension.
GOOD condition alps/clones are nicer than topre(though the hhkb layout is still my favorite for anything but gaming and tropre still > any mx)Good condition alps are better than anything
Got it in a bundle so at a massive discount, probably only paid $80 for it thinking about it. I've had over 30-40 artisans and it was ranking mid in my opinion. I'd never pay more than $150 for the color that I want.Just got my first clack - they're massively overhyped and not worth it at all.When you're willing to pay hundreds of bucks for a single key button (assuming it's not encrusted with diamonds or something), how can you be surprised that you were "hyped" into it? Getting people to that point requires a huge amount of hype—not just from the person who develops the item, but from buyers and potential buyers, a certain number of whom must agree the item's worth that much. If you hadn't read, over and over, that there was something remarkably special about it—and before that, been conditioned to accept the general idea of "artisan caps"—would you have paid much more than $20 for it? (The fact that it's hand-carved would always give it some special value.)
The only good Alps are linear without all the superfluous clicky gimmickry. A worn out Model M would be much better than any clicky Alps.
The only good Alps are linear without all the superfluous clicky gimmickry. A worn out Model M would be much better than any clicky Alps.
As someone who loves both buckling springs and Alps, ouch! :))
Topre is way over-hyped.
After reading all the praise, I bought an 87U 55g and all I can say is meh...
Topre is way over-hyped.
After reading all the praise, I bought an 87U 55g and all I can say is meh...
How long have you been using it?
I really don't like aluminum keyboards anymore.
I prefer plastic cases. To me they feel more durable (if dropped) and I like the extra flex.
Topre is way over-hyped.
After reading all the praise, I bought an 87U 55g and all I can say is meh...
How long have you been using it?
Three+ weeks at the office....
That's the thing holding me back from selling my board and getting a custom, you never know the quality of the aluminum parts until it's too lateI really don't like aluminum keyboards anymore.
I prefer plastic cases. To me they feel more durable (if dropped) and I like the extra flex.
Super cheap plastic case for my pok3r? Super silent, colourful and nicer than that badly finished aluminium case.
Although there's no membrane?Topre is way over-hyped.
After reading all the praise, I bought an 87U 55g and all I can say is meh...
How long have you been using it?
Three+ weeks at the office....
If it's not silenced, I admit that it's just a noisy membrane keyboard.
Noisy membrane, so like a model m :DAlthough there's no membrane?Topre is way over-hyped.
After reading all the praise, I bought an 87U 55g and all I can say is meh...
How long have you been using it?
Three+ weeks at the office....
If it's not silenced, I admit that it's just a noisy membrane keyboard.
I really don't like aluminum keyboards anymore.
I prefer plastic cases. To me they feel more durable (if dropped) and I like the extra flex.
Super cheap plastic case for my pok3r? Super silent, colourful and nicer than that badly finished aluminium case.
Although there's no membrane?Topre is way over-hyped.
After reading all the praise, I bought an 87U 55g and all I can say is meh...
How long have you been using it?
Three+ weeks at the office....
If it's not silenced, I admit that it's just a noisy membrane keyboard.
Topre is way over-hyped.Try a HHKB. Much nicer. I went from 87u 55g to HHKBT, and I don't use the 55g anymore.
After reading all the praise, I bought an 87U 55g and all I can say is meh...
I really don't like aluminum keyboards anymore.
I prefer plastic cases. To me they feel more durable (if dropped) and I like the extra flex.
Super cheap plastic case for my pok3r? Super silent, colourful and nicer than that badly finished aluminium case.
Also easily replaceable if the case does end up getting damaged at some point. :P
Topre is way over-hyped.Try a HHKB. Much nicer. I went from 87u 55g to HHKBT, and I don't use the 55g anymore.
After reading all the praise, I bought an 87U 55g and all I can say is meh...
Topre is way over-hyped.Try a HHKB. Much nicer. I went from 87u 55g to HHKBT, and I don't use the 55g anymore.
After reading all the praise, I bought an 87U 55g and all I can say is meh...
I also do not care for the HHKB layout......but they do look nifty.
Topre is way over-hyped.Try a HHKB. Much nicer. I went from 87u 55g to HHKBT, and I don't use the 55g anymore.
After reading all the praise, I bought an 87U 55g and all I can say is meh...
I also do not care for the HHKB layout......but they do look nifty.
The layout takes about a week to get used to, but once you get used to it you can never go back to other layouts. I have all of my boards with Control and Caps switched, and if I can I get them all with the diamond arrows too. Such a nice layout once you give it a try
Topre is way over-hyped.Try a HHKB. Much nicer. I went from 87u 55g to HHKBT, and I don't use the 55g anymore.
After reading all the praise, I bought an 87U 55g and all I can say is meh...
I also do not care for the HHKB layout......but they do look nifty.
The layout takes about a week to get used to, but once you get used to it you can never go back to other layouts. I have all of my boards with Control and Caps switched, and if I can I get them all with the diamond arrows too. Such a nice layout once you give it a try
Topre is way over-hyped.Try a HHKB. Much nicer. I went from 87u 55g to HHKBT, and I don't use the 55g anymore.
After reading all the praise, I bought an 87U 55g and all I can say is meh...
I also do not care for the HHKB layout......but they do look nifty.
The layout takes about a week to get used to, but once you get used to it you can never go back to other layouts. I have all of my boards with Control and Caps switched, and if I can I get them all with the diamond arrows too. Such a nice layout once you give it a try
I tried the layout for a day, until I found that to do a sequence like Ctrl-C, Ctrl-Shift-F, Crtl-V I would have to change which finger I pushed Ctrl with in the middle of the sequence. That's when I noped out of the swapped Ctrl-Caps scene.
Topre is way over-hyped.Try a HHKB. Much nicer. I went from 87u 55g to HHKBT, and I don't use the 55g anymore.
After reading all the praise, I bought an 87U 55g and all I can say is meh...
I also do not care for the HHKB layout......but they do look nifty.
The layout takes about a week to get used to, but once you get used to it you can never go back to other layouts. I have all of my boards with Control and Caps switched, and if I can I get them all with the diamond arrows too. Such a nice layout once you give it a try
I tried the layout for a day, until I found that to do a sequence like Ctrl-C, Ctrl-Shift-F, Crtl-V I would have to change which finger I pushed Ctrl with in the middle of the sequence. That's when I noped out of the swapped Ctrl-Caps scene.
I don't understand?
C, F, and V are all right next to eachother.
You should just be able to hold control with your pinky and press all three
Still confused whether to get a 65% or a 75% layout. which one do you guys suggest?
I just noticed that most laptop keyboards are 75% :))
Im real positive about needing dedicated arrow keys, for the f-keys tho, im not so sure.
Still confused whether to get a 65% or a 75% layout. which one do you guys suggest?
I just noticed that most laptop keyboards are 75% :))
Im real positive about needing dedicated arrow keys, for the f-keys tho, im not so sure.
I don't like the look of RGB keyboards, I'm not a purist or anything. I just think it looks tacky to see a rainbow of glowing colors under the keys. It might be functional for programmed hotkeys, but all of the photos look blown out and I would rather have more options for keycaps without needing doubleshot illuminated graphics.Yeah **** LEDs, or do you mean specifically RGB :))
I really don't like aluminum keyboards anymore.
I prefer plastic cases. To me they feel more durable (if dropped) and I like the extra flex.
I don't like the look of RGB keyboards, I'm not a purist or anything. I just think it looks tacky to see a rainbow of glowing colors under the keys. It might be functional for programmed hotkeys, but all of the photos look blown out and I would rather have more options for keycaps without needing doubleshot illuminated graphics.Yeah **** LEDs, or do you mean specifically RGB :))
I really don't like aluminum keyboards anymore.
I prefer plastic cases. To me they feel more durable (if dropped) and I like the extra flex.
I've never heard of anyone actually liking flex in a keyboard.
Hypersphere rings are awful (sorry mr. hypersphere, just think the Topre OEM variant is 1000x better)
75% layout is overrated
thin keycaps are really nice on clicky switchesI really don't like aluminum keyboards anymore.
I prefer plastic cases. To me they feel more durable (if dropped) and I like the extra flex.
I've never heard of anyone actually liking flex in a keyboard.
This would depend on the type of key switch being used. I would not want flex in a linear switch keyboard, or a plate mount clicky switch keyboard. I would want some in a PCB mount (or half-plate) keyboard with tactile switches, to increase tactility. My Filco Majestouch with browns has a bit of flex and feels great to type on (even though it has full plate).
I think that buckling springs are too heavy and noisy.
If all the click comes from the spring the touches the inside of the stem, I don't understand why it can't be silenced.
Also... No cherry mx adapters.... What is it? A keyboard for people with bad taste?
I think that buckling springs are too heavy and noisy.
If all the click comes from the spring the touches the inside of the stem, I don't understand why it can't be silenced.
Also... No cherry mx adapters.... What is it? A keyboard for people with bad taste?
I agree that the weighting of buckling springs can kinda suck (at least for the membrane version), depending on condition.
Grease can be used to silence the switch, IBM did this with their 'Soft Touch' Model Ms, but I don't think I've heard of anyone attempting to reproduce this.
Also, Cherry MX adapters are being developed in a project that is ongoing on DT.. Due to the scope of the project, that part of it won't be happening for some time though.
I think that buckling springs are too heavy and noisy.
If all the click comes from the spring the touches the inside of the stem, I don't understand why it can't be silenced.
Also... No cherry mx adapters.... What is it? A keyboard for people with bad taste?
I agree that the weighting of buckling springs can kinda suck (at least for the membrane version), depending on condition.
Grease can be used to silence the switch, IBM did this with their 'Soft Touch' Model Ms, but I don't think I've heard of anyone attempting to reproduce this.
Also, Cherry MX adapters are being developed in a project that is ongoing on DT.. Due to the scope of the project, that part of it won't be happening for some time though.
I used "ultra floss" to quieten the springs on my M2, and it worked very well. The tactility is still there but the click sound is muffled and the ping is practically gone.
I think that buckling springs are too heavy and noisy.
If all the click comes from the spring the touches the inside of the stem, I don't understand why it can't be silenced.
Also... No cherry mx adapters.... What is it? A keyboard for people with bad taste?
I agree that the weighting of buckling springs can kinda suck (at least for the membrane version), depending on condition.
Grease can be used to silence the switch, IBM did this with their 'Soft Touch' Model Ms, but I don't think I've heard of anyone attempting to reproduce this.
Also, Cherry MX adapters are being developed in a project that is ongoing on DT.. Due to the scope of the project, that part of it won't be happening for some time though.
I used "ultra floss" to quieten the springs on my M2, and it worked very well. The tactility is still there but the click sound is muffled and the ping is practically gone.
The dental floss mod is called ultra floss? Or did you use a specific brand of floss that works better?
I think that buckling springs are too heavy and noisy.
If all the click comes from the spring the touches the inside of the stem, I don't understand why it can't be silenced.
Also... No cherry mx adapters.... What is it? A keyboard for people with bad taste?
I agree that the weighting of buckling springs can kinda suck (at least for the membrane version), depending on condition.
Grease can be used to silence the switch, IBM did this with their 'Soft Touch' Model Ms, but I don't think I've heard of anyone attempting to reproduce this.
Also, Cherry MX adapters are being developed in a project that is ongoing on DT.. Due to the scope of the project, that part of it won't be happening for some time though.
I used "ultra floss" to quieten the springs on my M2, and it worked very well. The tactility is still there but the click sound is muffled and the ping is practically gone.
The dental floss mod is called ultra floss? Or did you use a specific brand of floss that works better?
I think that buckling springs are too heavy and noisy.
If all the click comes from the spring the touches the inside of the stem, I don't understand why it can't be silenced.
Also... No cherry mx adapters.... What is it? A keyboard for people with bad taste?
I agree that the weighting of buckling springs can kinda suck (at least for the membrane version), depending on condition.
Grease can be used to silence the switch, IBM did this with their 'Soft Touch' Model Ms, but I don't think I've heard of anyone attempting to reproduce this.
Also, Cherry MX adapters are being developed in a project that is ongoing on DT.. Due to the scope of the project, that part of it won't be happening for some time though.
I used "ultra floss" to quieten the springs on my M2, and it worked very well. The tactility is still there but the click sound is muffled and the ping is practically gone.
The dental floss mod is called ultra floss? Or did you use a specific brand of floss that works better?
maybe this one? https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=9761.0
I think that buckling springs are too heavy and noisy.
If all the click comes from the spring the touches the inside of the stem, I don't understand why it can't be silenced.
Also... No cherry mx adapters.... What is it? A keyboard for people with bad taste?
I agree that the weighting of buckling springs can kinda suck (at least for the membrane version), depending on condition.
Grease can be used to silence the switch, IBM did this with their 'Soft Touch' Model Ms, but I don't think I've heard of anyone attempting to reproduce this.
Also, Cherry MX adapters are being developed in a project that is ongoing on DT.. Due to the scope of the project, that part of it won't be happening for some time though.
I used "ultra floss" to quieten the springs on my M2, and it worked very well. The tactility is still there but the click sound is muffled and the ping is practically gone.
The dental floss mod is called ultra floss? Or did you use a specific brand of floss that works better?
maybe this one? https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=9761.0
I used this:Show Image(http://www.dental-health-advice.com/images/Ultrafloss.jpg)
It's better in that the whole roll of floss is 'spongy'.
I don't like the look of RGB keyboards, I'm not a purist or anything. I just think it looks tacky to see a rainbow of glowing colors under the keys. It might be functional for programmed hotkeys, but all of the photos look blown out and I would rather have more options for keycaps without needing doubleshot illuminated graphics.couldnt agree more, rgb backlighting is pretty disgusting. Single color backlighting done in a tasteful way and not too bright is a nice look though.
I don't like the look of RGB keyboards, I'm not a purist or anything. I just think it looks tacky to see a rainbow of glowing colors under the keys. It might be functional for programmed hotkeys, but all of the photos look blown out and I would rather have more options for keycaps without needing doubleshot illuminated graphics.couldnt agree more, rgb backlighting is pretty disgusting. Single color backlighting done in a tasteful way and not too bright is a nice look though.
It also allows abominations like this.I don't like the look of RGB keyboards, I'm not a purist or anything. I just think it looks tacky to see a rainbow of glowing colors under the keys. It might be functional for programmed hotkeys, but all of the photos look blown out and I would rather have more options for keycaps without needing doubleshot illuminated graphics.couldnt agree more, rgb backlighting is pretty disgusting. Single color backlighting done in a tasteful way and not too bright is a nice look though.
But that is what RGB allows. You can choose one of a million colors that fits your mood, style, rig...one that is easy on your eyes and then adjust the brightness. To a color that is both tasteful (subjective) and not too bright (also subjective).
Not many people like the layout I madeI think its really cool, even though im not a fan of ergos or ortholinearsShow Image(https://linustechtips.com/main/uploads/monthly_2016_08/20160827_115145.thumb.jpg.1d3da391c514421f0e4b9fc64b564b2c.jpg)
Yeah, im going to have to get used to the ortholinearness of it. Still make mistakes now.Not many people like the layout I madeI think its really cool, even though im not a fan of ergos or ortholinearsShow Image(https://linustechtips.com/main/uploads/monthly_2016_08/20160827_115145.thumb.jpg.1d3da391c514421f0e4b9fc64b564b2c.jpg)
Topre is way over-hyped.Try a HHKB. Much nicer. I went from 87u 55g to HHKBT, and I don't use the 55g anymore.
After reading all the praise, I bought an 87U 55g and all I can say is meh...
I also do not care for the HHKB layout......but they do look nifty.
The layout takes about a week to get used to, but once you get used to it you can never go back to other layouts. I have all of my boards with Control and Caps switched, and if I can I get them all with the diamond arrows too. Such a nice layout once you give it a try
I tried the layout for a day, until I found that to do a sequence like Ctrl-C, Ctrl-Shift-F, Crtl-V I would have to change which finger I pushed Ctrl with in the middle of the sequence. That's when I noped out of the swapped Ctrl-Caps scene.
I don't understand?
C, F, and V are all right next to eachother.
You should just be able to hold control with your pinky and press all three
Demik was nice enough to let me borrow his lubed and silenced HHKB for a test drive as I considered having the same work done on mine.
I HATE LUBED AND SILENCED HHKBs. Not a popular opinion, but I found the lubed/silenced HHKB lacked the very noise characteristics I like about the HHKB, the keys felt mushy, and the reduced key travel was noticeable. My suggestion would be to try such a board before inflicting this kind of mod on it unless you enjoy the prospect of eternal disappointment.
Demik was nice enough to let me borrow his lubed and silenced HHKB for a test drive as I considered having the same work done on mine.
I HATE LUBED AND SILENCED HHKBs. Not a popular opinion, but I found the lubed/silenced HHKB lacked the very noise characteristics I like about the HHKB, the keys felt mushy, and the reduced key travel was noticeable. My suggestion would be to try such a board before inflicting this kind of mod on it unless you enjoy the prospect of eternal disappointment.
silenced with hypershpere washers or with landing pads?
landing pads are way thicker
Topre is way over-hyped.Try a HHKB. Much nicer. I went from 87u 55g to HHKBT, and I don't use the 55g anymore.
After reading all the praise, I bought an 87U 55g and all I can say is meh...
I also do not care for the HHKB layout......but they do look nifty.
The layout takes about a week to get used to, but once you get used to it you can never go back to other layouts. I have all of my boards with Control and Caps switched, and if I can I get them all with the diamond arrows too. Such a nice layout once you give it a try
Have you ever tried the Space-Fn concept? If you have not, it is advisable to try it and to see if you can use it, if so maybe a sixty layout is for you; otherwise you should go with Fox or FC-660 similar layouts.Im not really familiar with the Space-FN concept, im not too fond with having too many fn layers too. Yeah im opting for something like a 66key or 68key. I guess i wont miss the Function keys too much compared to the dedicated arrows.
My preference is for a 60 or 65% keyboard. I do like dedicated arrow keys, but it's nice when they are included on the home row and you don't have to move your hand or look at your board to access them. You could also get a 60% board and have a separate numberpad including arrow keys and have the best of both worlds.
I like full size keyboards
due 101% is best size
Razer keyboards arent that bad if you get one for cheap
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IBM rubber domes are better than Cherry MX Brownsanything is better than mx browns
IBM rubber domes are better than Cherry MX Brownsanything is better than mx browns
True. Anything is better than cherry switches with the exception of clears. I would rather type on a scissor switch or a good quality rubberdome.IBM rubber domes are better than Cherry MX Brownsanything is better than mx browns
MX blues for starters. I'd rather be on rubber domes. Though, to be fair to blues, I haven't tried greens yet which are everything I don't like about blues, but with the added weight I also don't like.
True. Anything is better than cherry switches with the exception of clears. I would rather type on a scissor switch or a good quality rubberdome.IBM rubber domes are better than Cherry MX Brownsanything is better than mx browns
MX blues for starters. I'd rather be on rubber domes. Though, to be fair to blues, I haven't tried greens yet which are everything I don't like about blues, but with the added weight I also don't like.
Try alps SKCL green and never use mx reds againTrue. Anything is better than cherry switches with the exception of clears. I would rather type on a scissor switch or a good quality rubberdome.IBM rubber domes are better than Cherry MX Brownsanything is better than mx browns
MX blues for starters. I'd rather be on rubber domes. Though, to be fair to blues, I haven't tried greens yet which are everything I don't like about blues, but with the added weight I also don't like.
At the moment, my favorite switches are MX reds. Would love to try out some hall effect switches if they ever manage to get them into production. Haven't tried Topre, though I'm more a linear switch fan.
Try alps SKCL green and never use mx reds againTrue. Anything is better than cherry switches with the exception of clears. I would rather type on a scissor switch or a good quality rubberdome.IBM rubber domes are better than Cherry MX Brownsanything is better than mx browns
MX blues for starters. I'd rather be on rubber domes. Though, to be fair to blues, I haven't tried greens yet which are everything I don't like about blues, but with the added weight I also don't like.
At the moment, my favorite switches are MX reds. Would love to try out some hall effect switches if they ever manage to get them into production. Haven't tried Topre, though I'm more a linear switch fan.
I liked my matias quiet clicks more than all the old / vintage alps switches I tried
I liked my matias quiet clicks more than all the old / vintage alps switches I tried
You also like MX Reds more than the sweet feel of cup rubber ;)
I liked my matias quiet clicks more than all the old / vintage alps switches I tried*pukes*
I've never tried matias, but I can't imagine them being very good compared to real SKCMNot even wrong…
eBay artisans are fairly priced
keyboard is just keyboard
$5 rubberdome is enough
Does the fact that the stems / top of the switches are exposed here have a name?
Does the fact that the stems / top of the switches are exposed here have a name? Whatever this phenomenon is called, I hate it and am bothered by keyboards that have it.Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/fPi6CF7.jpg)
Does the fact that the stems / top of the switches are exposed here have a name?
It's referred to as "floating keys design" or "viki style" in South Korea.
I have read names like Floating-key designAh thank you for telling me.
Ups! someone already posted the same, :thumb:
Does the fact that the stems / top of the switches are exposed here have a name?
It's referred to as "floating keys design" or "viki style" in South Korea.I have read names like Floating-key designAh thank you for telling me.
Ups! someone already posted the same, :thumb:
I've read blog posts and forum posts that describe it as a 'low profile case' (floating key). afaik there is no 'high profile case', just a regular profile and low profile.
I've read blog posts and forum posts that describe it as a 'low profile case' (floating key). afaik there is no 'high profile case', just a regular profile and low profile.
I think that's all relative to current trends and standards though. Low profile in the 1970s was not low profile in the 1980s, and the vintage boards of the 1980s are certainly not considered low-profile today.
Relative to the floating key look, you can consider cases with walls that conceal the switches to be high profile, and it's a good and easy way to make the distinction especially if the majority of aftermarket cases for a particular layout happen to be low profile, like with 60% keyboards.
maybe yes #31. RGB is so overhyped, it looks like garbage if you use more than like 3 colors and costs an arm and a leg.
2. After testing any mechanical keyboard ever, I regret having ever typed on a Razer.
3. Alps switches are ******g sick!
4. Keytronic rubber domes actually don't feel half bad.
maybe not #3
1. RGB is so overhyped, it looks like garbage if you use more than like 3 colors and costs an arm and a leg.
2. After testing any mechanical keyboard ever, I regret having ever typed on a Razer.
3. Alps switches are ******g sick!
4. Keytronic rubber domes actually don't feel half bad.
maybe not #3
are any of these particularly unpopular? (not quite sure about #4)
1. RGB is so overhyped, it looks like garbage if you use more than like 3 colors and costs an arm and a leg.
2. After testing any mechanical keyboard ever, I regret having ever typed on a Razer.
3. Alps switches are ******g sick!
4. Keytronic rubber domes actually don't feel half bad.
maybe not #3
1. RGB is so overhyped, it looks like garbage if you use more than like 3 colors and costs an arm and a leg.
2. After testing any mechanical keyboard ever, I regret having ever typed on a Razer.
3. Alps switches are ******g sick!
4. Keytronic rubber domes actually don't feel half bad.
I think scissor switch modifiers are awesome. I love how easy they are to take apart and put back together. :blank:
I think scissor switch modifiers are awesome. I love how easy they are to take apart and put back together. :blank:
They are not, they tend to bend or brake easily.
1. RGB is so overhyped, it looks like garbage if you use more than like 3 colors and costs an arm and a leg.
I think scissor switch modifiers are awesome. I love how easy they are to take apart and put back together. :blank:
I think scissor switch modifiers are awesome. I love how easy they are to take apart and put back together. :blank:
Actually couple of years back I want raging coz my Mac hang and I lost hours of work. Pulled out half my keys from my Apple Aluminum Keyboard. Simply pushed them back and all was fine :eek:
I think scissor switch modifiers are awesome. I love how easy they are to take apart and put back together. :blank:
Actually couple of years back I want raging coz my Mac hang and I lost hours of work. Pulled out half my keys from my Apple Aluminum Keyboard. Simply pushed them back and all was fine :eek:
Try that on an HP Elite Wireless :eek:
I hate the num pad, I can't see why anyone would use it.Data entry? You don't need to move your hand whereas you do with the numrow. You can keep one hand on a numpad, and the other on your mouse.
MX clears arelike black switches on steroids
When you buy keycaps, just switch out the wasd not the WHOLE FRICKING BOARD :mad:
I meant the heaviness, not the fact that they were lenier. They are good for rts's however.
Oh I love the white ones corsair sells for their strafe boards, but having puppies and skulls on every key is like a macbook sticker gone wrong.
Good point about the browns, i'd say they are like non clicky blues on steroids like a brown on steroids like you said.
I meant the heaviness, not the fact that they were lenier. They are good for rts's however.
I like scissor switch laptop keyboards. :) At least the ones from my old laptops that aren't isolated island-style and more like volcano style or whatever.
I like scissor switch laptop keyboards. :) At least the ones from my old laptops that aren't isolated island-style and more like volcano style or whatever.
Agreed. These aren't terrible to get stuck using if you have to, can be quite pleasant.
SA is overrated.
While Korean TKLs are really nice keyboards, the TKL layout in general is a big waste of space. A 75% layout has all the keys of a TLK and smaller. An 1800/96 key layout is barely larger and includes arrow keys and a numpad.Tkls look cooler than 75% boards though. Dont try to talk me out of buying a Kustom! :p
Tactile alps switches dont feel good also all matias switches. ABS doubleshot feels good, pbt in the most cases not.Alps switches are very susceptible to tarnish. When they get dirty, or are off by a bit, they can be really quite bad. Rough, uneven, wobbly (especially Matias). However, good Alps switches, that have been cleaned or are NOS, are simply amazing.
1. RGB is so overhyped, it looks like garbage if you use more than like 3 colors and costs an arm and a leg.
2. After testing any mechanical keyboard ever, I regret having ever typed on a Razer.
3. Alps switches are ******g sick!
4. Keytronic rubber domes actually don't feel half bad.
Do you mean dampened creams? Because undampened creams are the smoothest sharpest tactility Ive ever felt.Tactile alps switches dont feel good also all matias switches. ABS doubleshot feels good, pbt in the most cases not.Alps switches are very susceptible to tarnish. When they get dirty, or are off by a bit, they can be really quite bad. Rough, uneven, wobbly (especially Matias). However, good Alps switches, that have been cleaned or are NOS, are simply amazing.
I also find some of the switches (creams and blacks specifically) very rough and unpleasant. I haven't had a very good experience with them at all. I assume I'll find some good ones, but the examples that I've used so far have been lackluster at best. Orange Alps, however, are easily some of the best switches I have ever used. They rank with F Buckling Springs in favourability for me. I recommend trying them out, if you haven't. Much smoother, and much cleaner than a lot of the simplified or even later SKCMs.
However, your opinion on caps is indefensible :p
Damped creams, yeah. Never used undamped creams, as of yet. Hopefully someday...Do you mean dampened creams? Because undampened creams are the smoothest sharpest tactility Ive ever felt.Tactile alps switches dont feel good also all matias switches. ABS doubleshot feels good, pbt in the most cases not.Alps switches are very susceptible to tarnish. When they get dirty, or are off by a bit, they can be really quite bad. Rough, uneven, wobbly (especially Matias). However, good Alps switches, that have been cleaned or are NOS, are simply amazing.
I also find some of the switches (creams and blacks specifically) very rough and unpleasant. I haven't had a very good experience with them at all. I assume I'll find some good ones, but the examples that I've used so far have been lackluster at best. Orange Alps, however, are easily some of the best switches I have ever used. They rank with F Buckling Springs in favourability for me. I recommend trying them out, if you haven't. Much smoother, and much cleaner than a lot of the simplified or even later SKCMs.
However, your opinion on caps is indefensible :p
Clicks are overrated and browns actually look attractive to me.
Spacebar rattle is a more acceptable sound than cap clacks.
Scissor switches are genuinely good when new.
Jukebox SA are the ugliest keycaps in existence.
With 65%, 75%, and 1800-esque custom boards it looks really stupid to do a bottom row of |1.25|1.25|1.25| 6.25 |1.5|1.5|.
Just do a winkeyless row of four 1.5u mods and a 7u spacebar, much better aesthetics.
With 65%, 75%, and 1800-esque custom boards it looks really stupid to do a bottom row of |1.25|1.25|1.25| 6.25 |1.5|1.5|.
Just do a winkeyless row of four 1.5u mods and a 7u spacebar, much better aesthetics.
With 65%, 75%, and 1800-esque custom boards it looks really stupid to do a bottom row of |1.25|1.25|1.25| 6.25 |1.5|1.5|.
Just do a winkeyless row of four 1.5u mods and a 7u spacebar, much better aesthetics.
Gross.
|1.25|1.25|1.25| 6.25 |1|1|1| <== infinitely superior to everything you just said.
The 7u spacebar is an obnoxious waste of keyboard real estate. I'm pretty sure it was invented as a cruel joke.
With 65%, 75%, and 1800-esque custom boards it looks really stupid to do a bottom row of |1.25|1.25|1.25| 6.25 |1.5|1.5|.
Just do a winkeyless row of four 1.5u mods and a 7u spacebar, much better aesthetics.
Gross.
|1.25|1.25|1.25| 6.25 |1|1|1| <== infinitely superior to everything you just said.
The 7u spacebar is an obnoxious waste of keyboard real estate. I'm pretty sure it was invented as a cruel joke.
Best aesthetics and functionality: 1,5x1x(blocker)1,5x7x1,5x1x(blocker)1,5x. I use the right ctrl for winkey so I don't need the winkey but it's not a dealbreaker if I have to have a 1x winkey, it can be used for caps lock for example, just pros and cons, else the caps lock is prtscr or something. But with the blocker it is the best aesthetics since 1x function keys are ugly and if you have an alu case it showcases the case more (mind that the blocker must be a part of the case not, a standalone blocker which you insert and remove, that's digusting). Also, very important, is that 1,5x1x1,5x makes for the best ALT reachability since it's closest to your thumb, you can also you og sets with it which have A profile which makes it even easier to reach. This is an AWESOME privilege since who doesn't alt tab a million times a day?
With 65%, 75%, and 1800-esque custom boards it looks really stupid to do a bottom row of |1.25|1.25|1.25| 6.25 |1.5|1.5|.
Just do a winkeyless row of four 1.5u mods and a 7u spacebar, much better aesthetics.
Gross.
|1.25|1.25|1.25| 6.25 |1|1|1| <== infinitely superior to everything you just said.
The 7u spacebar is an obnoxious waste of keyboard real estate. I'm pretty sure it was invented as a cruel joke.
With 65%, 75%, and 1800-esque custom boards it looks really stupid to do a bottom row of |1.25|1.25|1.25| 6.25 |1.5|1.5|.
Just do a winkeyless row of four 1.5u mods and a 7u spacebar, much better aesthetics.
Gross.
|1.25|1.25|1.25| 6.25 |1|1|1| <== infinitely superior to everything you just said.
The 7u spacebar is an obnoxious waste of keyboard real estate. I'm pretty sure it was invented as a cruel joke.
What keys do you assign to your bottom row? (in Windows or Linux)
2: Levovo scissor switches on their thinkpad laptops feel like total mush- they start to get stiff after one month of use.The keycaps are actually one of the best parts- they have a subtle cylindrical shape to them, makiing them a lot nicer to type on. the switches themselves are, I would say, par. A bit heavy for my tastes, and a bit spongy at the bottom (typing this on a thinkpad board right now). However, the tactility is really quite good- very sharp. Better than most laptop keyboards. Plus, the layout is really nice- having the pgup/pgdn keys right by the cursor keys is very helpful. If only they allowed the board to be remapped properly (aka, using the fn key for more then media keys).
3. Blue and green switches are too clicky for my tastes.Too high pitched. They sound grating after using them for extended periods, and the click doesn't really add anything. I'm all about that BS click though- exactly at the point of actuation, too.
6. I prefer tkl.Sure. I've moved away from Full sized recently, mostly for the added desk space and mouse access. Not too unpopular an opinion.
Here are some really unpopular opinions, especially around here:
1. Anything IBM made after their (sphericals) beamspring era is prosaic trash only fit for incineration. Even burial in a landfill is too good for it.
2. Same thing applies to anything that copies the aesthetics of #1.
3. Same thing applies to cylindrical keycaps of any era, from any manufacturer.
4. TKLs are a waste of decent mechanical keyboard components.
5. Full-board RGB backlighting is a crime against humanity.
6. Unsilenced switches are an inexcusable compromise of quality for cost savings.
7. "Ergonomics", as applied to keyboards, is nothing but a marketing gimmick.
7. "Ergonomics", as applied to keyboards, is nothing but a marketing gimmick.
What it should be is ergonomic like this, or anotgher way, ergonomic for one person. like i love tkl but hate any other layout.7. "Ergonomics", as applied to keyboards, is nothing but a marketing gimmick.
Where do you draw the line? The word 'ergonomic' being used in advertising material for the board? Because otherwise any change to a keyboard could be considered ergonomics, even just mechanical switches over rubber domes.
My view is that ergonomics is a widely abused marketing term and that people need to be better in touch with what works for them. Not everyone's hands/arms/wrists/posture has the same 'correct' spot.
@Data don't you have a GH122? Why are you worried about space haha
Here are some more opinions that will drive yall nuts:Agreed with everything but 1, (I believe that any board below 60% is useless) 5 (have you even tried a real alps board? dont say matias is real alps :P) and 7 (what?)
1. any board below 65% is a waste.
2. more than 3 artisians are absurd.
4. Ergonomic kbs are stupid.
5. Alps and torpes are mush.
6. MX white has an id problem.
7. All switches must be greased
8. greens, clears, and blacks are dumb.
9. One must never combined mech and membrane.
10. I don't know what dorkmuffin came up with mx blue, but I hate it.
Here are some more opinions that will drive yall nuts:Agreed with everything but 1, (I believe that any board below 60% is useless) 5 (have you even tried a real alps board? dont say matias is real alps :P) and 7 (what?)
1. any board below 65% is a waste.
2. more than 3 artisians are absurd.
4. Ergonomic kbs are stupid.
5. Alps and torpes are mush.
6. MX white has an id problem.
7. All switches must be greased
8. greens, clears, and blacks are dumb.
9. One must never combined mech and membrane.
10. I don't know what dorkmuffin came up with mx blue, but I hate it.
I have an unreasonable dislike for GMK Icon Mods.icon mods are ugly for the most part so I can understand why
I have an unreasonable dislike for GMK Icon Mods.
I have an unreasonable dislike for GMK Icon Mods.
**** yeah dude
also DSA is dumb, uniform SA is dumb too. Sculpted SA is ok
MX Brown is the best all-around switch. Anyone who thinks differently is a retard.
MX Brown is the best all-around switch. Anyone who thinks differently is a retard.
I'm just glad someone finally had the balls to say it...brown switches matter. #BSM
glad someone appreciates **** browns :p
I resent that. youre missing the fact that model Fs are great home defense weapons as well as typing tools :)glad someone appreciates **** browns :p
Yeah, you know I acknowledge that Model F is the superior "TYPING" experience, but you know what? MODEL F SOUNDS ANNOYING AS **** AND SUCKS FOR ANYTHING NOT STRICTLY TYPING RELATED.
I resent that. youre missing the fact that model Fs are great home defense weapons as well as typing tools :)glad someone appreciates **** browns :p
Yeah, you know I acknowledge that Model F is the superior "TYPING" experience, but you know what? MODEL F SOUNDS ANNOYING AS **** AND SUCKS FOR ANYTHING NOT STRICTLY TYPING RELATED.
I resent that. youre missing the fact that model Fs are great home defense weapons as well as typing tools :)glad someone appreciates **** browns :p
Yeah, you know I acknowledge that Model F is the superior "TYPING" experience, but you know what? MODEL F SOUNDS ANNOYING AS **** AND SUCKS FOR ANYTHING NOT STRICTLY TYPING RELATED.
After my maniacal phase of keyboardist life, spending money and buying all kinds of custom keycaps and cables, I just ended up selling them off, all of them, and just using my plain old boring Realforce with blank black keycaps. This is what I should have been doing from the start. Most of the custom keys with monsters and robots and **** like that are incredibly ugly anyway, I can't believe males older than 12 are buying these things.:thumb:
I feel like I'm 40 in my keyboard life. You know what I mean, don't do orgies anymore or wild sex positions, just have a wife and a marriage that works. We do missionary sometimes, but that's it, nothing wild about it. I can do other things in life now. Like sleeping.
1. I think the ISO layout is the most retarded thing ever made. It less ergonomic than ANSI, less pretty than ANSI, and it makes finding caps a nightmareagree with everything but 2,6 and 8
2. TKLs are baffling to me. Why the **** would anyone use one? 75% keyboard have the same amount of keys in a significantly smaller footprint. And if you want a keyboard that is larger than a 75 and smaller than full-size, why not just get a 96 or TK? Not to mention they're ****ing ugly.
3. MX browns feel like ass.
4.Topre boards are $300 rubber domes
5. IMO Model Ms aren't as well built as other boards, albeit are still enjoyable
6. I enjoy RBG backlighting and/or underglow
7. Cherry boards are built like ****.
8. Not sure if unpopular but: DSA > SA > Cherry/SP DCS > OEM. 96 > Full-size > 60 > 75 > ~65 >>>>>> TKL
agree with everything but 2,6 and 8
Cherry>OEM>DCS>SA>DSAQuote from: mike52787agree with everything but 2,6 and 8
Out of curiosity what's your take on 8
1] From exclusively a typing experience viewpoint, every switch ever made is inferior to a lubed 55g Topre.I'm curious to know what switches you have tried and use for more than a week or month.
1] From exclusively a typing experience viewpoint, every switch ever made is inferior to a lubed 55g Topre.I'm curious to know what switches you have tried and use for more than a week or month.
If my post pisses off ten people then I will have succeeded!I wanted to share my opinions so I kept the opinions I agreed with.
2] Every Topre board ever made has a fatal flaw that ruins the whole experience otherwise. Maybe not the μTRON. On second thought, even the μTRON.
6] Boards under 75% in size are useless to do work on. Assuming reprogrammability, if you even use just two different software packages you run out of reasonable space to put macro keys way too quickly.
9] Cylindrical keycaps are dumb and pointless. All of them. There is not a single legitimate argument anyone can make to necessitate their existence.
10] Visible screws/nuts/bolts on a keyboard when seen from typing position are a design flaw.
Remember when I said I thought using a 30% as a daily driver was feasible?
https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=65341.msg2190557#msg2190557 (https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=65341.msg2190557#msg2190557)Show Image(https://i.imgur.com/vckza88.jpg)
That was what I was talking about.
Told ya so.
Remember when I said I thought using a 30% as a daily driver was feasible?
https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=65341.msg2190557#msg2190557 (https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=65341.msg2190557#msg2190557)Show Image(https://i.imgur.com/vckza88.jpg)
That was what I was talking about.
Told ya so.
Nice board! and that big enter key makes it to look even nicer. You should post the alternate layers that you are using.
5] Owning multiple keyboards in the same layout is a moronic decision. No properly functioning human being will ever think to themselves 'I currently need the minimalism of a 60% keyboard BUT I specifically want a particular switch right now'.
10] Visible screws/nuts/bolts on a keyboard when seen from typing position are a design flaw.
Mitsumi KPQ (eg.Unisys PCK101) hybrid switch keyboards, that you can pick up for a couple bucks in op-shops, feel like 45g silenced Topres that cost $300+.
Look familiar...Show Image(http://i745.photobucket.com/albums/xx91/CaptureLifePhotos/ibm%20model%20f/2011-01-18_14-46-32_563.jpg)
These Mitsumi KPQ-E99YC https://is.gd/5x8KxR (https://is.gd/5x8KxR) are sold under a few different brands, Commodore, Unisys, etc... keys are dyesub, with legends being of varying quality. Seems like the older you find them, the sharper the legend.
P.S. While looking for pictures (too lazy to snap my own), I found this http://www.elecshopper.com/mitsumi-kpq-e99yc-keyboard.html (http://www.elecshopper.com/mitsumi-kpq-e99yc-keyboard.html) maybe it's time to empty the keyboard bins at my local thrift shops; there must be some hipsters, too cool for Topre, that still want "that feeling of oneness with cup rubber."
After my maniacal phase of keyboardist life, spending money and buying all kinds of custom keycaps and cables, I just ended up selling them off, all of them, and just using my plain old boring Realforce with blank black keycaps. This is what I should have been doing from the start. Most of the custom keys with monsters and robots and **** like that are incredibly ugly anyway, I can't believe males older than 12 are buying these things.
I feel like I'm 40 in my keyboard life. You know what I mean, don't do orgies anymore or wild sex positions, just have a wife and a marriage that works. We do missionary sometimes, but that's it, nothing wild about it. I can do other things in life now. Like sleeping.
One way to do it is to put them on a BTC F&F board.Mitsumi KPQ (eg.Unisys PCK101) hybrid switch keyboards, that you can pick up for a couple bucks in op-shops, feel like 45g silenced Topres that cost $300+.
Look familiar...Show Image(http://i745.photobucket.com/albums/xx91/CaptureLifePhotos/ibm%20model%20f/2011-01-18_14-46-32_563.jpg)
These Mitsumi KPQ-E99YC https://is.gd/5x8KxR (https://is.gd/5x8KxR) are sold under a few different brands, Commodore, Unisys, etc... keys are dyesub, with legends being of varying quality. Seems like the older you find them, the sharper the legend.
P.S. While looking for pictures (too lazy to snap my own), I found this http://www.elecshopper.com/mitsumi-kpq-e99yc-keyboard.html (http://www.elecshopper.com/mitsumi-kpq-e99yc-keyboard.html) maybe it's time to empty the keyboard bins at my local thrift shops; there must be some hipsters, too cool for Topre, that still want "that feeling of oneness with cup rubber."
They need cherry mx keycaps stems....
I don't even mind layouts with the bigass enter and 1u backspace anymore.
I don't even mind layouts with the bigass enter and 1u backspace anymore.
1u backspace makes no sense. It is very hard to use. The minimum acceptable is 1.5u ala HHKB layout.
Low profile is the only profile!gross
I don't even mind layouts with the bigass enter and 1u backspace anymore.
1u backspace makes no sense. It is very hard to use. The minimum acceptable is 1.5u ala HHKB layout.
1u backspace is perfect, if its under your thumb.
I don't even mind layouts with the bigass enter and 1u backspace anymore.
1u backspace makes no sense. It is very hard to use. The minimum acceptable is 1.5u ala HHKB layout.
1u backspace is perfect, if its under your thumb.
Of course, on your smartphone keyboard.
Or maybe if you can foot type
Ortholinear is retarded
low profile cases are so uglyAgreed
low profile cases are so ugly+1
I don't even mind layouts with the bigass enter and 1u backspace anymore.
1u backspace makes no sense. It is very hard to use. The minimum acceptable is 1.5u ala HHKB layout.
1u backspace is perfect, if its under your thumb.
Of course, on your smartphone keyboard.
Or maybe if you can foot type
Or your keyboard has a thumb arc, like the Keyboardio Model 01. Or a thumb cluster. Or a split space, like the Planck, and so on. For foot typing, a pedal is much better than an 1u key, mind you.
Don't be stuck in the seventies. :p
I'll tell you one of the most unpopular keyboard opinion ever: playing with WASD is a stupid mass trend, anti-ergonomic (the keys are not aligned and the middle finger sits between the W and the E), and it's just an improvised solution for those who don't have a large desk that allows your to move your keyboard to the left and use the numpad, which is the correct way to play first person games.
The galaxy keysets are some of the ugliest things I've ever seen. They look like a ****ty jackson pollock painting
The galaxy keysets are some of the ugliest things I've ever seen. They look like a ****ty jackson pollock paintingthey are pretty bad
The numpad would need more buttons available for me even for an FPS for it to be useful. Even then, it places the thumb at an odd position so you're trading one type of ergonomic problem for another.omg yes.
After my maniacal phase of keyboardist life, spending money and buying all kinds of custom keycaps and cables, I just ended up selling them off, all of them, and just using my plain old boring Realforce with blank black keycaps. This is what I should have been doing from the start. Most of the custom keys with monsters and robots and **** like that are incredibly ugly anyway, I can't believe males older than 12 are buying these things.
I feel like I'm 40 in my keyboard life. You know what I mean, don't do orgies anymore or wild sex positions, just have a wife and a marriage that works. We do missionary sometimes, but that's it, nothing wild about it. I can do other things in life now. Like sleeping.
This summarizes the mental state of someone who reached the 'Endgame'.
After my last keyboard maniac phase, I sold every keyboard worthy or not-worthy to mention, and had only a ThinkPad left. With all the long wait and failures of various GB, I may have reached a partial 'Endgame' mental state before some of those merchandises actually arrive. I just need a keyboard that I feel 'home' to type on.
I don't understand why so many people are going so crazy over GMK 9009
Used to think for a long time (10 years, no less) that an ergonomic keyboard is a must, if you don't want your hands destroyed by the carpal syndrome. Now typing on a standard layout keyboard, and I'm fine. Ergonomic keyboards are overrated.Anecdotal evidence…
I'll tell you one of the most unpopular keyboard opinion ever: playing with WASD is a stupid mass trend, anti-ergonomic (the keys are not aligned and the middle finger sits between the W and the E), and it's just an improvised solution for those who don't have a large desk that allows your to move your keyboard to the left and use the numpad, which is the correct way to play first person games.
WASD is stupid yes, but the solution for most games isn't the numpad as csmertx pointed out, but to use an ortholinear with ESDF.
ESDF in general is highly superior to WASD.
Why does everybody hate on RGB? If done right (a la Duck Lightsaver)with well diffused underglow and paired with thick non shine thru caps like GMK or SP it can really tie together a build. Plus you can always set the color to a static one or just turn it off completely.
1. ISO is far superior to ANSI
1. ISO is far superior to ANSIShow Image(http://i190.photobucket.com/albums/z212/blufftonkayak/Puking.gif)
I'll tell you one of the most unpopular keyboard opinion ever: playing with WASD is a stupid mass trend, anti-ergonomic (the keys are not aligned and the middle finger sits between the W and the E), and it's just an improvised solution for those who don't have a large desk that allows your to move your keyboard to the left and use the numpad, which is the correct way to play first person games.
1. ISO is far superior to ANSI
2. 60% layouts make no sense to me outside of saving space on a small desk.
3. I have never found an MX switch I like. They all feel scratchy, and are easily outdone by many other switches including some rubber dome designs.
My favorite board sports an XT layout ( AKA ANSI with ISO Enter) in a sixty format with MX Ergo Clears!
cannot type on MX keyboard (tried with allmust all the colors out there) without O-rings on themtried all o-rings available to me
everyone knows deep down that they'll never reach "endgame", this is really just a big money-spending orgy
After typing on a HHKB2 for three years I think topre is overrated. It's just another switch. It's decent but has its own draw backs just like any other switch.
G20 is worst keyboard keycap profile, followed by DSAayyyyy
SA profile is best profile (1-2-3-4-3)ohh
1.75u shift should be standard right shift.easy with those hot takes lol
1.25u left shift should be standard left shift with one 1u left function key to the left of it.
My favorite board sports an XT layout ( AKA ANSI with ISO Enter) in a sixty format with MX Ergo Clears!
Isn't the XT layout a bigass enter with a split backspace, a bank of 10 f keys on the left side? Not really ANSI with an ISO. Also ISO is the most retarded layout ever made. Id rather use some weird antiquated terminal layout instead of that trash
Is it an unpopular opinion to despise tactile clicks and only think linear switches are worth using?With the domination of Zealio at the minute, perhaps, but linears are better.
linear > all xDIs it an unpopular opinion to despise tactile clicks and only think linear switches are worth using?With the domination of Zealio at the minute, perhaps, but linears are better.
Membrane keycaps > mechanical keycaps
Let me explain. MK noob here. I love the typing feel on my new Corsair Strafe MX Brown but HATE the keycaps. I've been looking around for "low profile" keycaps, all I can find are DSA ($$$) and even they don't look that they would be as comfortable as my work membrane board (Microsoft 600).
Membrane keycaps > mechanical keycapsIf you want low profile DSA is fairly cheap so long as you're not looking for a crazy colorway. I think enjoypbt does cherry profile caps and those are about $70 for a full set, so those may be worth looking into. I think corsair commits the cardinal sin of screwing with the bottom row though. That seems to be kind of popular for some reason, Logitech did the same thing with their g710+ before they made their own switches.
Let me explain. MK noob here. I love the typing feel on my new Corsair Strafe MX Brown but HATE the keycaps. I've been looking around for "low profile" keycaps, all I can find are DSA ($$$) and even they don't look that they would be as comfortable as my work membrane board (Microsoft 600).
Membrane keycaps > mechanical keycapsDoesn't make sense. See https://deskthority.net/wiki/Membrane_vs_rubber_dome
Membrane keycaps > mechanical keycapsDoesn't make sense. See https://deskthority.net/wiki/Membrane_vs_rubber_dome
oh and one more thing. stupid artisan plastic kcs make me puke. yes they actually did.
everyone knows deep down that they'll never reach "endgame", this is really just a big money-spending orgy
Membrane keycaps > mechanical keycaps
Let me explain. MK noob here. I love the typing feel on my new Corsair Strafe MX Brown but HATE the keycaps. I've been looking around for "low profile" keycaps, all I can find are DSA ($$$) and even they don't look that they would be as comfortable as my work membrane board (Microsoft 600).
After using Topre, I'm surprised more people don't use them also. Is it because this many people have tried Topre and don't like it or because not many have tried Topre before?
After using Topre, I'm surprised more people don't use them also. Is it because this many people have tried Topre and don't like it or because not many have tried Topre before?
My theory is that they're a little too similar to standard rubber dome keyboards and have little customization, making a lot of the enthusiasts seek something a little more different and exciting.
It's like a car enthusiast being bored with a brand new Lexus because what they want is an imported JDM R34 Skyline. :cool:
I personally think Topre is objectively the best switch overall, but that doesn't mean it's for everyone, especially the enthusiasts. It's not like I don't have a bunch of other boards to spice it up. :cool:
jealous of your R34, USA import laws stink
What's the problem? importing into the USA is easy
What's the problem? importing into the USA is easy
not as much for cars
something something keeping car manufacturing jobs in the US
After using Topre, I'm surprised more people don't use them also. Is it because this many people have tried Topre and don't like it or because not many have tried Topre before?
topre sucks
After using Topre, I'm surprised more people don't use them also. Is it because this many people have tried Topre and don't like it or because not many have tried Topre before?
I can easily see it. Price and availability can be big for many. Cherry MX boards are more available in retail locations like Best Buy at times. A lot of people are going to be able to buy an MX based board without even knowing that Topre exists. They're also often found at less than half the price of a RealForce board.
Personally, I haven't had a need for a Topre board. I bought a Ducky with MX reds and have been using it ever since. By the time I wanted to try out other keyboards, I was after specific layouts or switches that put Topre out of the picture.
After using Topre, I'm surprised more people don't use them also. Is it because this many people have tried Topre and don't like it or because not many have tried Topre before?
After using Topre, I'm surprised more people don't use them also. Is it because this many people have tried Topre and don't like it or because not many have tried Topre before?
I can easily see it. Price and availability can be big for many. Cherry MX boards are more available in retail locations like Best Buy at times. A lot of people are going to be able to buy an MX based board without even knowing that Topre exists. They're also often found at less than half the price of a RealForce board.
Personally, I haven't had a need for a Topre board. I bought a Ducky with MX reds and have been using it ever since. By the time I wanted to try out other keyboards, I was after specific layouts or switches that put Topre out of the picture.Good Cherrys are Red
Bad Cherrys are Blue
Linear is sweet
What up to Cherry MX Red Crew
agreed that mx blue sucksAfter using Topre, I'm surprised more people don't use them also. Is it because this many people have tried Topre and don't like it or because not many have tried Topre before?
I can easily see it. Price and availability can be big for many. Cherry MX boards are more available in retail locations like Best Buy at times. A lot of people are going to be able to buy an MX based board without even knowing that Topre exists. They're also often found at less than half the price of a RealForce board.
Personally, I haven't had a need for a Topre board. I bought a Ducky with MX reds and have been using it ever since. By the time I wanted to try out other keyboards, I was after specific layouts or switches that put Topre out of the picture.Good Cherrys are Red
Bad Cherrys are Blue
Linear is sweet
What up to Cherry MX Red Crew
agreed that mx blue sucksAfter using Topre, I'm surprised more people don't use them also. Is it because this many people have tried Topre and don't like it or because not many have tried Topre before?
I can easily see it. Price and availability can be big for many. Cherry MX boards are more available in retail locations like Best Buy at times. A lot of people are going to be able to buy an MX based board without even knowing that Topre exists. They're also often found at less than half the price of a RealForce board.
Personally, I haven't had a need for a Topre board. I bought a Ducky with MX reds and have been using it ever since. By the time I wanted to try out other keyboards, I was after specific layouts or switches that put Topre out of the picture.Good Cherrys are Red
Bad Cherrys are Blue
Linear is sweet
What up to Cherry MX Red Crew
Good cherry is black.Easiest way to fix MX switches: heavier Springs.
Vintage black.
End of story.
topre sucks
hall effect is overrated, I have some, too damn tall, and layouts all suck.topre sucks
It's personal taste.
But one thing can't be denied is that it is the only non-contact (by its capacitive design) switch in the current market, if we don't count the remake of Hall effect switch.
also, it really isn't that smooth
Good cherry is black.Easiest way to fix MX switches: heavier Springs.
Vintage black.
End of story.
Reds are ****. Blacks are godly.
Blues are ****. Greens are pretty decent.
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MX blacks are too hard on my wee little fingers. Never tried vintage blacks.
After using Topre, I'm surprised more people don't use them also. Is it because this many people have tried Topre and don't like it or because not many have tried Topre before?
IMO, HHKB Pro2 Topre is the top typing kb in terms of feel in a stock config hands down.
Here's one for you guys.
I will never own a keyboard that doesn't have arrow keys on it, because I play Crypt of the Necrodancer and Binding of Isaac: Afterbirth. HHKB and 60% are neat and all, but they will never serve my needs like they need to.
Here's one for you guys.
I will never own a keyboard that doesn't have arrow keys on it, because I play Crypt of the Necrodancer and Binding of Isaac: Afterbirth. HHKB and 60% are neat and all, but they will never serve my needs like they need to.
Not unpopular. I've seen people put dedicated arrow keys on Plancks, so that's not an excuse not to go small :P Also, what about having a dedicated layer just for games? That would make it possible even on a 30%.
IMO, HHKB Pro2 Topre is the top typing kb in terms of feel in a stock config hands down.
HHKB feels like the Dell of the Topre family.
Though, here's a possibly unpopular opinion: 75% boards have a "slab of keys" look that can be a bit unattractive. They're like an acquired taste, even though they were the first layout I jumped on.
Probably shared by more fellow GH'ers, but I need to say this: THE NEW TOUCHBAR MACBOOK "PRO" HAS A HORRIBLE HORRIBLE KEYBOARD.
I tried it out yesterday. WTF Apple. Has anyone tried that keyboard? Man... it is so bad it made me appreciate rubberdomes!
Probably shared by more fellow GH'ers, but I need to say this: THE NEW TOUCHBAR MACBOOK "PRO" HAS A HORRIBLE HORRIBLE KEYBOARD.
I tried it out yesterday. WTF Apple. Has anyone tried that keyboard? Man... it is so bad it made me appreciate rubberdomes!
Wow. I need to visit an Apple store and try this. :D
Probably shared by more fellow GH'ers, but I need to say this: THE NEW TOUCHBAR MACBOOK "PRO" HAS A HORRIBLE HORRIBLE KEYBOARD.
I tried it out yesterday. WTF Apple. Has anyone tried that keyboard? Man... it is so bad it made me appreciate rubberdomes!
Wow. I need to visit an Apple store and try this. :D
Please do and report back, I'm curious what you think. My GF and I, we're both academics (I'm also a programmer). And immediately we were like "wtf I'm NOT going to type a whole paper on this. W-T-F. Ok, Lenovo T260 then." (she has a HHKB as main driver).
The unibody Macbook Pro and the macbook pro before that had perfect keyboards if you ask me. It's been downhill ever since. The retina MacBook Pro's already had somewhat compromised keyboards, and than the even more shallow feel of the MacBook Air.
IProbably shared by more fellow GH'ers, but I need to say this: THE NEW TOUCHBAR MACBOOK "PRO" HAS A HORRIBLE HORRIBLE KEYBOARD.
I tried it out yesterday. WTF Apple. Has anyone tried that keyboard? Man... it is so bad it made me appreciate rubberdomes!
Wow. I need to visit an Apple store and try this. :D
Please do and report back, I'm curious what you think. My GF and I, we're both academics (I'm also a programmer). And immediately we were like "wtf I'm NOT going to type a whole paper on this. W-T-F. Ok, Lenovo T260 then." (she has a HHKB as main driver).
The unibody Macbook Pro and the macbook pro before that had perfect keyboards if you ask me. It's been downhill ever since. The retina MacBook Pro's already had somewhat compromised keyboards, and than the even more shallow feel of the MacBook Air.
I think it feels okay, it's just a matter of it having something like 0.1 mm of travel :))
I think it feels okay, it's just a matter of it having something like 0.1 mm of travel :))
It feels okay? IT FEELS OKAY? OO--KK--AA--YY?? Ok, hand in all your keyboards. You're not worth it ;p
No joking... opinions vary. But do you REALLY think you want to type for hours on end on it? No right? I mean you fingers MUST get hurt. It almost feels like typing on a glass touchpad.
I think it feels okay, it's just a matter of it having something like 0.1 mm of travel :))
It feels okay? IT FEELS OKAY? OO--KK--AA--YY?? Ok, hand in all your keyboards. You're not worth it ;p
No joking... opinions vary. But do you REALLY think you want to type for hours on end on it? No right? I mean you fingers MUST get hurt. It almost feels like typing on a glass touchpad.
I wouldn't want to type more than two paragraphs on it.
I meant that it's pretty tactile and not mushy at all, I would be interested in seeing a keyboard with that modified scissor "butterfly" design with something like 2 mm of travel.
split or die.
split or die.
dead.
split or die.
dead.
i too am ded
I think most of the people on GH must have obsessive personalities and/or unnatural, possibly pathological, fixations on small, precise objects. The extent to which they delve into detail over the slightest bits of keyboard esoterica never fails to amuse me.
(I wouldn't normally mention this—but this is the Unpopular Opinions thread, right?)
split or die.
split or die.
Physical split or does this count as well?Show Image(http://imgur.com/CaVhyy9.jpg)
physically split, what else is the point?
split or die.
Physical split or does this count as well?Show Image(http://imgur.com/CaVhyy9.jpg)
physically split, what else is the point?
Well the point is to have my hands farther apart. Or do you get a split keyboard simply because it looks cool?
split or die.
Physical split or does this count as well?Show Image(http://imgur.com/CaVhyy9.jpg)
physically split, what else is the point?
Well the point is to have my hands farther apart. Or do you get a split keyboard simply because it looks cool?
split or die.
Physical split or does this count as well?Show Image(http://imgur.com/CaVhyy9.jpg)
physically split, what else is the point?
Well the point is to have my hands farther apart. Or do you get a split keyboard simply because it looks cool?
I'd specifically want a split board to tent it. The tenting is where it's at for me. The split is merely to make the tenting possible.
I suppose me too since I only use the right spacebar, but I plan to map the left one to backspace or delete.
split or die.
I'd specifically want a split board to tent it. The tenting is where it's at for me. The split is merely to make the tenting possible.
I suppose me too since I only use the right spacebar, but I plan to map the left one to backspace or delete.
I actually use both the space bar on both sides. The right when typing, the left when gaming as my right hand is on the mouse.
Hitting the sweetspot, I'm only ever using space with my left thumb. Very useful for split layouts.
I'd specifically want a split board to tent it. The tenting is where it's at for me. The split is merely to make the tenting possible.
I suppose me too since I only use the right spacebar, but I plan to map the left one to backspace or delete.
I actually use both the space bar on both sides. The right when typing, the left when gaming as my right hand is on the mouse.
Hitting the sweetspot, I'm only ever using space with my left thumb. Very useful for split layouts.
Honestly I'd probably configure space keys on both sides of any split board I own unless I planned on not gaming at all on it (Kinesis and Maltron come to mind).
Honestly I'd probably configure space keys on both sides of any split board I own unless I planned on not gaming at all on it (Kinesis and Maltron come to mind).
Honestly I'd probably configure space keys on both sides of any split board I own unless I planned on not gaming at all on it (Kinesis and Maltron come to mind).
Or make one key a switch that let's you put space on the other side.
Ok, here's an unpopular opinion for you: GMK Hydro is damn ugly. I really hate the shade the blue has, couldn't tell you why.
Tsangan is best layout no exceptions. 1.5|1|1.5| 7 |1.5|1|1.5 bottom row with a split right shift. Extra a e s t h e t i c s because of the symmetrical bottom row. The only reason why I don't rock the tsangan bottom row is because I didn't know about it when I built my keyboard. I do use a split right shift because of a broken stab :ptsangan bottom row is the absolute best. super compatible with vintage sets too. The split shift is nice, but not a requirement IMO
tsangan bottom row is the absolute best. super compatible with vintage sets too. The split shift is nice, but not a requirement IMO
Fn key should be on the left. Laptop makers had it right.
Fn key should be on the left. Laptop makers had it right.
Probably shared by more fellow GH'ers, but I need to say this: THE NEW TOUCHBAR MACBOOK "PRO" HAS A HORRIBLE HORRIBLE KEYBOARD.
I tried it out yesterday. WTF Apple. Has anyone tried that keyboard? Man... it is so bad it made me appreciate rubberdomes!
Fn key should be on the left. Laptop makers had it right.
I use the caps lock key for my primary fn layer and the extra key by the split shift for my fn2 and the right win for fn3
65% is for plebs who can't use layers
65% is for plebs who can't use layers
Everything bigger than 40% is for plebs who can't use layers. 30% is for people who are one with their layers.
Or the true Apple keyboard: A single switch, and a dial to change what layer it presses.
Just use a TKL jeez...
TKL is the only. layout. everything else is inferior. fight me.Just use a TKL jeez...
TKLs are the bane of my existence
I can see the appeal of the TKL layout for most folks.Full size less the arrow cluster(60% + numpad) would be the best layout.
Unfortunately, it lacks the numpad (which I like) for desktop PC work, and it is too big for my iPad, making it the most useless "popular" layout out there (for me).
Full size less the arrow cluster(60% + numpad) would be the best layout.
Full size less the arrow cluster(60% + numpad) would be the best layout.Show Image(http://mechboards.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2016/10/Cooler-Master-CM-Storm-QuickFire-TK.jpg)
The Cooler Master. Just what I was thinking of.
30% pffft
I use a numpad with layers as my daily driver :))
How about the Leopold 980C or M?
How about the Leopold 980C or M?
Not all that dissimilar than RS96, neh? I'm not a fan of included F keys and arrows. Besides, 1.75U shift is just the worst. If you run a board with 1.75, keycap sets just cost that much more.
I guess I am in the minority for thinking Unicomp is endgame material :(Unicomp is unique in offering new buckling spring boards, it's just that the issue is that everything that Unicomp makes has been done with higher standards before from a time where it didn't have to be built to cut costs. If you want the best of the best of buckling spring you can get a Model F, or even an older Model M with a thicker plate.
I guess I am in the minority for thinking Unicomp is endgame material :(Unicomp is unique in offering new buckling spring boards, it's just that the issue is that everything that Unicomp makes has been done with higher standards before from a time where it didn't have to be built to cut costs. If you want the best of the best of buckling spring you can get a Model F.
I still want to try a beam spring and Model F just to see what the hype is about on them.
I still want to try a beam spring and Model F just to see what the hype is about on them.
I still want to try a beam spring and Model F just to see what the hype is about on them.
They will make everything else suck ;)
TKL is the only. layout. everything else is inferior. fight me.
Full size less the arrow cluster(60% + numpad) would be the best layout.Show Image(http://mechboards.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2016/10/Cooler-Master-CM-Storm-QuickFire-TK.jpg)
http://www.keyboard-layout-editor.com/#/gists/ee0f585e705b8da1d6a4b84fcc85a160
Yall really need the fat +/Enter column?
Full size less the arrow cluster(60% + numpad) would be the best layout.Show Image(http://mechboards.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2016/10/Cooler-Master-CM-Storm-QuickFire-TK.jpg)
ZZ96 layout is better
TKL is the only. layout. everything else is inferior. fight me.
For just basic functions I would have thought it doable : Capslock=Enter, then stick +/-* wherever you feel across top and in place of 00. Granted I dont use my numpad all that much, its just easier for # entry.http://www.keyboard-layout-editor.com/#/gists/ee0f585e705b8da1d6a4b84fcc85a160
Yall really need the fat +/Enter column?
How else are you going to use it has a calculator?
On the subject, assuming a person doing heavy data entry's right hand is for their mouse, wouldnt reaching across all the alphas get annoying?
Anyone know of any other KB's with a numpad on the left side the Monarch, LZ RV and TK left hand variants?
On the subject, assuming a person doing heavy data entry's right hand is for their mouse, wouldnt reaching across all the alphas get annoying?
Anyone know of any other KB's with a numpad on the left side the Monarch, LZ RV and TK left hand variants?
Usually you would not user the mouse at all for "heavy data entry".
But if that's the case then a separate numpad would be the best choice.
On the subject, assuming a person doing heavy data entry's right hand is for their mouse, wouldnt reaching across all the alphas get annoying?
Anyone know of any other KB's with a numpad on the left side the Monarch, LZ RV and TK left hand variants?
Usually you would not user the mouse at all for "heavy data entry".
But if that's the case then a separate numpad would be the best choice.
Or switch to a left handed mouse. If you're not gaming it really doesn't take that long to adapt
On the subject, assuming a person doing heavy data entry's right hand is for their mouse, wouldnt reaching across all the alphas get annoying?
Anyone know of any other KB's with a numpad on the left side the Monarch, LZ RV and TK left hand variants?
Usually you would not user the mouse at all for "heavy data entry".
But if that's the case then a separate numpad would be the best choice.
Or switch to a left handed mouse. If you're not gaming it really doesn't take that long to adapt
Possibly not an opinion, but does anyone think the Model M's spacebar sucks?
It's rattly and loud, sounds way different than any of the other keys. And the giant chunk PBT the spacebar is made out of puts enough pressure on the key it feels noticeably lighter than other keys.
Not criticizing the keyboard as a whole, love it!
it is! jeeze!Possibly not an opinion, but does anyone think the Model M's spacebar sucks?
It's rattly and loud, sounds way different than any of the other keys. And the giant chunk PBT the spacebar is made out of puts enough pressure on the key it feels noticeably lighter than other keys.
Not criticizing the keyboard as a whole, love it!
I never had a rattly Model M spacebar but on both my real IBMs and Unicomps, the space bar has a higher pitch than the main keys but not as high pitched as the backspace.
Another thing: see if your left shift is lower pitch than the right shift... :eek:
Possibly not an opinion, but does anyone think the Model M's spacebar sucks?
It's rattly and loud, sounds way different than any of the other keys. And the giant chunk PBT the spacebar is made out of puts enough pressure on the key it feels noticeably lighter than other keys.
Not criticizing the keyboard as a whole, love it!
Possibly not an opinion, but does anyone think the Model M's spacebar sucks?
Possibly not an opinion, but does anyone think the Model M's spacebar sucks?
Well, I think the entire Model M sucks. As does any clone of it. So there. :p
A flipped space bar is a cry for attention
Possibly not an opinion, but does anyone think the Model M's spacebar sucks?
Well, I think the entire Model M sucks. As does any clone of it. So there. :p
Genuinely curious since you're not a BS fan so I want to ask to see if you feel the same as my MX loving, BS hating friends :thumb:
did you use BS boards back in the day? (mid 80s, very early 90s)
What switches do you prefer most?
A flipped space bar is a cry for attention
Possibly not an opinion, but does anyone think the Model M's spacebar sucks?
Well, I think the entire Model M sucks. As does any clone of it. So there. :p
Genuinely curious since you're not a BS fan so I want to ask to see if you feel the same as my MX loving, BS hating friends :thumb:
did you use BS boards back in the day? (mid 80s, very early 90s)
What switches do you prefer most?
At the moment I prefer silenced Topre and MX silent red switches. But I'm eager to try XMIT's Hall Effect switch. I'd probably use Matias switches too if it weren't for the complete lack of spherical keycaps for them.
I began using computers back when you had to use a terminal connected over a modem to a mainframe. The terminals I used back then (early 80s) all had Microswitch Hall Effect linears or something similar, with lovely high-profile spherical keycaps. Computer keyboards have, IMO, been on the decline in terms of aesthetics and build quality ever since.
I remember very clearly when the IBM PC came out. I hated its keyboard back then and I still hate it today. It is noisy, loud, uncomfortable, and so tediously dull in appearance that I get depressed just looking at it. I had to use one for years at the office I worked in as a college intern, and it was slowly destroying my soul. I have one (circa 1993) at home right now, serving as a constant reminder of how things all went horribly wrong.
Now, thanks to the resurgence of custom mech boards, I am able to put together keyboards that remind me of a time when keyboards were beautiful engineering marvels that only lacked a coherent layout standard.
I still want to try a beam spring and Model F just to see what the hype is about on them.
You won't get the full beamspring experience unless you also get the solenoid working. :p
I still want to try a beam spring and Model F just to see what the hype is about on them.
You won't get the full beamspring experience unless you also get the solenoid working. :p
Having head clips of it, I'd turn off the added sound immediately. Though it's admittedly far less annoying than the sound of MX blues even if that's not saying much. MX blues can die in a fire.
On the subject, assuming a person doing heavy data entry's right hand is for their mouse, wouldnt reaching across all the alphas get annoying?
Anyone know of any other KB's with a numpad on the left side the Monarch, LZ RV and TK left hand variants?
Usually you would not user the mouse at all for "heavy data entry".
But if that's the case then a separate numpad would be the best choice.
Or switch to a left handed mouse. If you're not gaming it really doesn't take that long to adapt
and a layer
1. RGB is so overhyped, it looks like garbage if you use more than like 3 colors and costs an arm and a leg.
2. After testing any mechanical keyboard ever, I regret having ever typed on a Razer.
3. Alps switches are ******g sick!
4. Keytronic rubber domes actually don't feel half bad.
and a layer
Phhht, GH-122. No layers needed.
I guess I am in the minority for thinking Unicomp is endgame material.
Unicomp is unique in offering new buckling spring boards, it's just that the issue is that everything that Unicomp makes has been done with higher standards before from a time where it didn't have to be built to cut costs. If you want the best of the best of buckling spring you can get a Model F, or even an older Model M with a thicker plate.
People who feel compelled to use graphic banners in their sigs that we must see over and over and over and over... :?P Instead, how about just adding one to a post, say, once a week? Or is overkill the only method acceptable to you?
It's as bad as all the people who feel compelled to post photos of yet another (buckling spring) IBM keyboard (or clone of same) which looks exactly like the ten thousand other photos of the same fugly thing littering the mech board forums all over the Internet. It would seem that suffocating overkill is the only method acceptable to them as well. :p
I think Kailh Switches are better than most give them credit for, the ones I have used have been more consistent than Outemu or Gaote and have felt closer to Cherry (Which was what they were trying to copy) than Gaterons do even though Gaterons are smoother. Iv'e never had a Kailh fail on me and while they aren't my #1 pick I think they get a ton of flack for no reason.All of the Kailhs I've tried were very scratchy, that being said they weren't any more scratchy than the old generation (2010-2016) MX switches so I guess they were equal in a way.
I'm sure this has been covered but I think artisan keycaps ruin 99% of the boards they're on.
It's as bad as all the people who feel compelled to post photos of yet another (buckling spring) IBM keyboard (or clone of same) which looks exactly like the ten thousand other photos of the same fugly thing littering the mech board forums all over the Internet. It would seem that suffocating overkill is the only method acceptable to them as well. :p
Oh god yes. When I'm on /r/MK, I want to see pictures of new, interesting builds, I don't care if someone got another model M for just 10 bucks or found it in their basement. And you can't even filter them out automatically because the title usually is something like "Look what I found!". What I do like is when someone posts a build log of how they restored their greasy vintage board. That is a good resource for others and it can be interesting to see how people approach that and what horrific kinds of critters they find in their boards.
What's even worse, those simple posts get hundreds of upvotes sometimes, and then well-documented build logs get something like 60 and you never even notice them. :(
I don't understand the fascination for crazy heavy keyboards.
Are you a 400lb Sumo wrestler that keeps bumping your board out of the way while eating your bowl of Chankonabe?
I don't understand the fascination for crazy heavy keyboards.
Are you a 400lb Sumo wrestler that keeps bumping your board out of the way while eating your bowl of Chankonabe?
Heavy things usually equal to more quality in most peoples minds. More mass = more resources = more quality = better money spent
Careful what you hate on, sooner or later you'll probably have one.
Careful what you hate on, sooner or later you'll probably have one.
Careful what you hate on, sooner or later you'll probably have one.
Tp4 will never buy another topre..
Careful what you hate on, sooner or later you'll probably have one.
Tp4 will never buy another topre..
why u don't like topre? coz of inconsistent quality?
Careful what you hate on, sooner or later you'll probably have one.
Tp4 will never buy another topre..
why u don't like topre? coz of inconsistent quality?
Way back when I started on this journey.. everyone was like Topre, God-tier keyboard..
Then I bought an 87u.. and instantly recognized that i've been mislead by hipster weeb-hype..
Deep down, do I harbor some resentment against topre and its users.. a little..
But this isn't the first of my purchases to have turned out this way, and so as part of this community.. I always make sure to offer a more realistic counter-evaluation when I see the Topre-cult jump in with buy buy buy..
That was my experience with cherry mx-blues, the misguided hypeness . Oh God i still shudder from the high pitched clicking, how to: kill your sensitive hearing, annoy your friends, scare your dog, annoy your siblings, etc.
That was my experience with cherry mx-blues, the misguided hypeness . Oh God i still shudder from the high pitched clicking, how to: kill your sensitive hearing, annoy your friends, scare your dog, annoy your siblings, etc.
There was this blues-hype when I just dived into boards. People said to me that "the clickiness feedback" is what you want, what makes you more "accurate". I never liked the sound, never will. I can see the appeal. But if you want that, just buy buckling springs. get the real deal.
That was my experience with cherry mx-blues, the misguided hypeness . Oh God i still shudder from the high pitched clicking, how to: kill your sensitive hearing, annoy your friends, scare your dog, annoy your siblings, etc.
There was this blues-hype when I just dived into boards. People said to me that "the clickiness feedback" is what you want, what makes you more "accurate". I never liked the sound, never will. I can see the appeal. But if you want that, just buy buckling springs. get the real deal.
The blues hype is all marketing. It's the idea that if there isn't something distinctly different it's not new. Mechanical is about the quality of the switch, not whether it clicks or not. That's why you see so many cheapo knockoff boards using clone blues, it appeals to people who don't know anything about mechs except that they're loud.
That was my experience with cherry mx-blues, the misguided hypeness . Oh God i still shudder from the high pitched clicking, how to: kill your sensitive hearing, annoy your friends, scare your dog, annoy your siblings, etc.
There was this blues-hype when I just dived into boards. People said to me that "the clickiness feedback" is what you want, what makes you more "accurate". I never liked the sound, never will. I can see the appeal. But if you want that, just buy buckling springs. get the real deal.
The blues hype is all marketing. It's the idea that if there isn't something distinctly different it's not new. Mechanical is about the quality of the switch, not whether it clicks or not. That's why you see so many cheapo knockoff boards using clone blues, it appeals to people who don't know anything about mechs except that they're loud.
Yeah it's almost like people go like "yeah you can hear its quality coz that sound". Like people who are not knowledgeable only think that you know a board is mech if it makes that excessive noise.
That was my experience with cherry mx-blues, the misguided hypeness . Oh God i still shudder from the high pitched clicking, how to: kill your sensitive hearing, annoy your friends, scare your dog, annoy your siblings, etc.
There was this blues-hype when I just dived into boards. People said to me that "the clickiness feedback" is what you want, what makes you more "accurate". I never liked the sound, never will. I can see the appeal. But if you want that, just buy buckling springs. get the real deal.
The blues hype is all marketing. It's the idea that if there isn't something distinctly different it's not new. Mechanical is about the quality of the switch, not whether it clicks or not. That's why you see so many cheapo knockoff boards using clone blues, it appeals to people who don't know anything about mechs except that they're loud.
Yeah it's almost like people go like "yeah you can hear its quality coz that sound". Like people who are not knowledgeable only think that you know a board is mech if it makes that excessive noise.
For quite awhile I had the same opinion going to Topre...then back to MX Browns for awhile....now I'm using Gateron Blues and loving it again.
I totally get people who are turned off by it though, drives me wife nuts.
For quite awhile I had the same opinion going to Topre...then back to MX Browns for awhile....now I'm using Gateron Blues and loving it again.
I totally get people who are turned off by it though, drives me wife nuts.
I DO see the appeal of clicky switches, just not MX Blues. The noise is too high pitched for me. But that's personal taste of course. It sounds flimsy and cheap to me.
That was my experience with cherry mx-blues, the misguided hypeness . Oh God i still shudder from the high pitched clicking, how to: kill your sensitive hearing, annoy your friends, scare your dog, annoy your siblings, etc.
There was this blues-hype when I just dived into boards. People said to me that "the clickiness feedback" is what you want, what makes you more "accurate". I never liked the sound, never will. I can see the appeal. But if you want that, just buy buckling springs. get the real deal.
The blues hype is all marketing. It's the idea that if there isn't something distinctly different it's not new. Mechanical is about the quality of the switch, not whether it clicks or not. That's why you see so many cheapo knockoff boards using clone blues, it appeals to people who don't know anything about mechs except that they're loud.
Yeah it's almost like people go like "yeah you can hear its quality coz that sound". Like people who are not knowledgeable only think that you know a board is mech if it makes that excessive noise.
For quite awhile I had the same opinion going to Topre...then back to MX Browns for awhile....now I'm using Gateron Blues and loving it again.
I totally get people who are turned off by it though, drives me wife nuts.
I DO see the appeal of clicky switches, just not MX Blues. The noise is too high pitched for me. But that's personal taste of course. It sounds flimsy and cheap to me.
That was my experience with cherry mx-blues, the misguided hypeness . Oh God i still shudder from the high pitched clicking, how to: kill your sensitive hearing, annoy your friends, scare your dog, annoy your siblings, etc.
I do think that topre is overhyped by most people though (I don't regret buying it, but not sure it's for everyone). I do think the worst thing people can do though is point a newbie to buy a cheepo chinese topre clone as i personally think it wastes money towards a better keyboard (topre or mx) and they have terrible resale value.
I don't understand how people can use 60% layout do y'all not read ebooks at all or any manga or just life internet things (I need my arrow keys!)?
That was my experience with cherry mx-blues, the misguided hypeness . Oh God i still shudder from the high pitched clicking, how to: kill your sensitive hearing, annoy your friends, scare your dog, annoy your siblings, etc.
There was this blues-hype when I just dived into boards. People said to me that "the clickiness feedback" is what you want, what makes you more "accurate". I never liked the sound, never will. I can see the appeal. But if you want that, just buy buckling springs. get the real deal.
The blues hype is all marketing. It's the idea that if there isn't something distinctly different it's not new. Mechanical is about the quality of the switch, not whether it clicks or not. That's why you see so many cheapo knockoff boards using clone blues, it appeals to people who don't know anything about mechs except that they're loud.
Yeah it's almost like people go like "yeah you can hear its quality coz that sound". Like people who are not knowledgeable only think that you know a board is mech if it makes that excessive noise.
For quite awhile I had the same opinion going to Topre...then back to MX Browns for awhile....now I'm using Gateron Blues and loving it again.
I totally get people who are turned off by it though, drives me wife nuts.
I DO see the appeal of clicky switches, just not MX Blues. The noise is too high pitched for me. But that's personal taste of course. It sounds flimsy and cheap to me.
Hmm and here personally I don't see a huge sound difference between Cherry/Gateron and Kailh. Definitely notice it with outemu/Goate though however.
I most definitely notice a feel difference however, Gaterons are so much smoother.
The Leopold 660m is super ugly and looks like they ran out of keys.
Full size keyboards look too big and just look awkward.
I'm bored of seeing photos of HHKBs with at most a couple of keys swapped out for coloured blanks and usually just stock keycaps. Seen one seem them all. And the same goes for model m.
I've never had my sneakers anywhere near my keyboard and don't know why I keep seeing photos of the two together. It a stupid combination. Ones for indoors and ones for outdoors.
Okay I think I'm done.
The Leopold 660m is super ugly and looks like they ran out of keys.
Full size keyboards look too big and just look awkward.
I'm bored of seeing photos of HHKBs with at most a couple of keys swapped out for coloured blanks and usually just stock keycaps. Seen one seem them all. And the same goes for model m.
I've never had my sneakers anywhere near my keyboard and don't know why I keep seeing photos of the two together. It a stupid combination. Ones for indoors and ones for outdoors.
Okay I think I'm done.
I'm with you on most of these. I can sort of see the appeal of the 660 layout, but the wasted space in the right hand corner, which I think is probably my favourite part about that layout in terms of looks, is dumb and the keys that are there aren't used by anyone using a decent text editor. They would be better just being accessed through a function layer (possible using hasu's controller now i think?), and just having a more standard layout.
If I were to buy a full size I'd get something like a 9009 or some other behemoth and make it the centerpiece of my desk, normal full sizes just look to long.
I've never posted a pic of my HHKB because me too, I don't give a **** about the one deformed piece of plastic you put on there.
Shoes are for scale I guess, but my size 13's would be very misleading :p
13? You are like little baby!Show Image(https://68.media.tumblr.com/595a01006dfe4664641828eb71d57630/tumblr_inline_om9fe3kDy81qea5co_540.jpg)
The Leopold 660m is super ugly and looks like they ran out of keys.
Full size keyboards look too big and just look awkward.
I've never had my sneakers anywhere near my keyboard and don't know why I keep seeing photos of the two together. It a stupid combination. Ones for indoors and ones for outdoors.
I don't understand why anyone would prefer cherry stabilizers to costar
oh boo hoo.. the keycaps are slightly more hassle to remove / install... wah... at least the costar stabilizers aren't mushy garbage.
also... TKL is the perfect keyboard layout.. get a num pad if you need one sometimes.. anything smaller than TKL 80% is too small and full sized is too big.. TKL is perfect..
I don't understand why anyone would prefer cherry stabilizers to costar
oh boo hoo.. the keycaps are slightly more hassle to remove / install... wah... at least the costar stabilizers aren't mushy garbage.
also... TKL is the perfect keyboard layout.. get a num pad if you need one sometimes.. anything smaller than TKL 80% is too small and full sized is too big.. TKL is perfect..
also... TKL is the perfect keyboard layout.. get a num pad if you need one sometimes.. anything smaller than TKL 80% is too small and full sized is too big.. TKL is perfect..
also... TKL is the perfect keyboard layout.. get a num pad if you need one sometimes.. anything smaller than TKL 80% is too small and full sized is too big.. TKL is perfect..
I don't understand why anyone would prefer cherry stabilizers to costar
oh boo hoo.. the keycaps are slightly more hassle to remove / install... wah... at least the costar stabilizers aren't mushy garbage.
also... TKL is the perfect keyboard layout.. get a num pad if you need one sometimes.. anything smaller than TKL 80% is too small and full sized is too big.. TKL is perfect..
You can fix Cherry stabilizers with minimal skill effort, Costars just continue to suck all around. They are noisy,PITA to change caps on and rattly as all hell IMO.
Clipped Cherry = Best of both worlds.
Costar = Settling because too lazy to clip.
I DO 100% Agree about TKL however as obviously noted with an earlier comment.
also... TKL is the perfect keyboard layout.. get a num pad if you need one sometimes.. anything smaller than TKL 80% is too small and full sized is too big.. TKL is perfect..
TKLs look the best but are too big, for the amount I use arrow keys having them on another layer is fine and for gaming I just have a dedicated layer with everything I need.
60% with a numpad on the left = the best option
I think fullsize is a waste even for people who NEED numpads as an external numpad you can move is far more ergonomic and space saving compared to a built in one you can't move at all. Even at work when I need a numpad I bring a cheap external ones as Fullsize keyboards are truly as outdated and obsolete as the Pager compared to a cellphone IMO. Anytime someone says they need one I just hear an old person screaming "Get off my lawn you kids!"
I don't understand why anyone would prefer cherry stabilizers to costar
oh boo hoo.. the keycaps are slightly more hassle to remove / install... wah... at least the costar stabilizers aren't mushy garbage.
also... TKL is the perfect keyboard layout.. get a num pad if you need one sometimes.. anything smaller than TKL 80% is too small and full sized is too big.. TKL is perfect..
You can fix Cherry stabilizers with minimal skill effort, Costars just continue to suck all around. They are noisy,PITA to change caps on and rattly as all hell IMO.
Clipped Cherry = Best of both worlds.
Costar = Settling because too lazy to clip.
I DO 100% Agree about TKL however as obviously noted with an earlier comment.
Topre is god awful
Topre is god awful
You have 3 hhkbs though
Topre is god awful
You have 3 hhkbs though
Topre is god awful
You have 3 hhkbs though
Just got a BT some time ago, so it's 4 as of right now,
Point still stands though.
Topre could be fine if it weren't for the super loud springs.
Topre is god awful
You have 3 hhkbs though
Just got a BT some time ago, so it's 4 as of right now,
Point still stands though.
Topre could be fine if it weren't for the super loud springs.
WATT? Do you even Topre? It's not the springs, it's the upstroke. That is not due to the spring, but the plastic of the cap hitting the plastic of the switch house.
If it were the springs, it would ping. It's not a metal sound, the noise of the topre upstoke is a plastic sound.
Topre is god awful
You have 3 hhkbs though
Just got a BT some time ago, so it's 4 as of right now,
Point still stands though.
Topre could be fine if it weren't for the super loud springs.
WATT? Do you even Topre? It's not the springs, it's the upstroke. That is not due to the spring, but the plastic of the cap hitting the plastic of the switch house.
If it were the springs, it would ping. It's not a metal sound, the noise of the topre upstoke is a plastic sound.
I am talking about the springs, not the upstroke.
https://www.dropbox.com/s/5a5nl4qieeustcv/MOV_0212.mp4?dl=0
Been having this issue on every single topre board that I own.
Topre is god awful
You have 3 hhkbs though
Just got a BT some time ago, so it's 4 as of right now,
Point still stands though.
Topre could be fine if it weren't for the super loud springs.
WATT? Do you even Topre? It's not the springs, it's the upstroke. That is not due to the spring, but the plastic of the cap hitting the plastic of the switch house.
If it were the springs, it would ping. It's not a metal sound, the noise of the topre upstoke is a plastic sound.
I am talking about the springs, not the upstroke.
https://www.dropbox.com/s/5a5nl4qieeustcv/MOV_0212.mp4?dl=0
Been having this issue on every single topre board that I own.
I have never heard / seen that before, thanks.
Still... is that the spring? It also sounds a bit like the rubber is "sticky".
Topre is god awful
You have 3 hhkbs though
Just got a BT some time ago, so it's 4 as of right now,
Point still stands though.
Topre could be fine if it weren't for the super loud springs.
WATT? Do you even Topre? It's not the springs, it's the upstroke. That is not due to the spring, but the plastic of the cap hitting the plastic of the switch house.
If it were the springs, it would ping. It's not a metal sound, the noise of the topre upstoke is a plastic sound.
I am talking about the springs, not the upstroke.
https://www.dropbox.com/s/5a5nl4qieeustcv/MOV_0212.mp4?dl=0
Been having this issue on every single topre board that I own.
I have never heard / seen that before, thanks.
Still... is that the spring? It also sounds a bit like the rubber is "sticky".
I have no clue to be honest, lucky for you that you've never had that issue :(
Topre is god awful
You have 3 hhkbs though
Just got a BT some time ago, so it's 4 as of right now,
Point still stands though.
Topre could be fine if it weren't for the super loud springs.
WATT? Do you even Topre? It's not the springs, it's the upstroke. That is not due to the spring, but the plastic of the cap hitting the plastic of the switch house.
If it were the springs, it would ping. It's not a metal sound, the noise of the topre upstoke is a plastic sound.
I am talking about the springs, not the upstroke.
https://www.dropbox.com/s/5a5nl4qieeustcv/MOV_0212.mp4?dl=0
Been having this issue on every single topre board that I own.
I have never heard / seen that before, thanks.
Still... is that the spring? It also sounds a bit like the rubber is "sticky".
I have no clue to be honest, lucky for you that you've never had that issue :(
Could you fix it? Did you think of something yet? THIS WORRIES ME MORE THAN IT SHOULD
Don't jizz on the keyboard, maybe?
Don't jizz on the keyboard, maybe?
Oh god yes. When I'm on /r/MK, I want to see pictures of new, interesting builds, I don't care if someone got another model M for just 10 bucks or found it in their basement. And you can't even filter them out automatically because the title usually is something like "Look what I found!". What I do like is when someone posts a build log of how they restored their greasy vintage board. That is a good resource for others and it can be interesting to see how people approach that and what horrific kinds of critters they find in their boards.
What's even worse, those simple posts get hundreds of upvotes sometimes, and then well-documented build logs get something like 60 and you never even notice them. :(
It may be the same board, but the photo of it may be beautifully composed.
If you're going to make a Hiragana set, at least make sure you have some sort of JIS alpha support. Even if it's an additional kit... :-[
Hmm… the thing about the size of tenkeyless keyboards… there's a point in that, but the layout itself _is_ dumb.
The "standard" tenkeyless copied from IBM Model M [SSK] has the gaps and keys placed, so that it facilitates typewriter legacy users, and makes functions easy to find for n00bs. Horribly inefficient.
Meanwhile, something like Symbolics' Lisp-machine keyboards or even Kinesis Advantage has more or less the same form factor, but a so much better layout.
The Symbolics layout isn't bad but it's odd with some bracket duplication keys where the current backspace is typically located. It also has a load of extra keys that would be better served replaced with currently useful keys. Something like a 96 key or 1800 style layout would end up being an equivalent for modern computing.IBM CUA and what has come after it is a dumbed down simplification of an user interface—coming from Lisp machines is a huge downgrade.
The Kinesis Advantage layout isn't bad but suffers from layout issues that constrain every symmetric split board out there; you're putting some of the right-hand keys in odd locations to get that symmetry.You're confusing symbols with keys, and assuming that the placement from standard US QWERTY is right—it's not, you're just used to it.
The Symbolics layout isn't bad but it's odd with some bracket duplication keys where the current backspace is typically located. It also has a load of extra keys that would be better served replaced with currently useful keys. Something like a 96 key or 1800 style layout would end up being an equivalent for modern computing.IBM CUA and what has come after it is a dumbed down simplification of an user interface—coming from Lisp machines is a huge downgrade.
The keys in corners are rather pointless, because they're hard to reach anyway, while those keyboards had plenty of fancy features, such as dual-role Shifts, that produced parenthesis on tap, or the famous layer-like stuff for accessing loads of various symbols.
A tenkey is quite pointless too, while at it.The Kinesis Advantage layout isn't bad but suffers from layout issues that constrain every symmetric split board out there; you're putting some of the right-hand keys in odd locations to get that symmetry.You're confusing symbols with keys, and assuming that the placement from standard US QWERTY is right—it's not, you're just used to it.
How anyone can type on sculpted SA is beyond me
How anyone can type on sculpted SA is beyond me
The layers are interesting but not overly needed for most when the vast majority of people could probably do everything they need on a 75% board without complaining about lack of keys - with the note that heavy number crunchers are going to need a numpad.Most people are (a) n00bs and/or (b) stuck with cheap, more or less standardized commodity keyboards, MS Office and some defaults. The latter is forced by monopolies. Of course that requires high conformity.
Personally, I still have a heavy preference for entering numbers on the numpad. It's easier to fly through number entry that way. Not that I have to very often but it's nice to have when I need it.The Model M's numpad isn't the only number layout out there, however.
As for the Kinesis, the bracket keys end up down on the right-side arrow cluster area making their location more inconvenient than on Qwerty, Colemak, and even Dvorak layouts. If anything, the Ergodox offers a decent solution that symmetric keyboards create with the additional inner column per side. I've noticed some using the upper keys for the brackets in some instances.Again, you're making assumptions based on default keymap/labels.
Keyboards without winkey aren't worth considering. :-X
Keyboards without winkey aren't worth considering. :-X
They're only worth considering if you have Control in the proper place, otherwise I can't interact properly with my computer.
Keyboards without winkey aren't worth considering. :-X
They're only worth considering if you have Control in the proper place, otherwise I can't interact properly with my computer.
Same for me but with winkey. How am I supposed to move my windows?
1) If you have the desktop space, your keyboard should have a numpad.
2) The proper desktop layout is as follows: mouse on the left, alphanumeric keys center, directionals to the right, and numpad off to the far right. It's not that hard to use the mouse on the left after a little bit of practice, and this will solve all of your numpad gripes (and keep people away from your workstation!)
3) Scissor switch boards can feel great. My favorite are those built into the Lenovo Thinkpads (even after they went island style.)
4) It doesn't matter what type of Enter key you have. Big-ass, tall, long... you'll get used to it.
1) If you have the desktop space, your keyboard should have a numpad.
2) The proper desktop layout is as follows: mouse on the left, alphanumeric keys center, directionals to the right, and numpad off to the far right. It's not that hard to use the mouse on the left after a little bit of practice, and this will solve all of your numpad gripes (and keep people away from your workstation!)
3) Scissor switch boards can feel great. My favorite are those built into the Lenovo Thinkpads (even after they went island style.)
4) It doesn't matter what type of Enter key you have. Big-ass, tall, long... you'll get used to it.
Another left handed mouse user nice. These days I prefer trackball on the left and mouse or Wacom on the right but I can get by with just one mouse if need be.
Nobody needs more than a 60% board. There, I said it.
That said, dedicated F keys and arrow keys or GTFO.
That said, dedicated F keys and arrow keys or GTFO.
As ALWAYS :thumb: .
ONLY fvcking numb nuts who use 60% keyboards are Dell or some other pre-made PC users, that don't even know about a bios and how to use one.
So glad to use keyboards with the basic keys needed to tunnel back into any bios to alter the voltages when needed 8) .
That said, dedicated F keys and arrow keys or GTFO.
As ALWAYS :thumb: .
ONLY fvcking numb nuts who use 60% keyboards are Dell or some other pre-made PC users, that don't even know about a bios and how to use one.
So glad to use keyboards with the basic keys needed to tunnel back into any bios to alter the voltages when needed 8) .
Uhhhhh... no? Keys needed to access bios are usually Del or F2, and pretty much any bios on consumer hardware (not OEM stuff, real hardware) post-2012 supports a mouse anyway. You're not some l33t h4xor because you can OC. I'd argue that kind of crowd is *more* likely to have a 60%, as those interested in bios access almost certainly have an interest in computer hardware and peripherals.
People who use OEM systems are far less likely to use a 60% because it's too different from what they're used to.
Man, I'm using a full-sized keyboard and I've nearly run out of keys to use with i3wm let alone MMOs and other programs that need shortcuts. Sure a 60% won't have the same flexing/wobbling problems but I still can't understand how people can use a keyboard without an F row as a daily driver. I can remap a keyboard but I'm not sure I can remap my brain after so many years of full sized boards :confused:Yeah I thought the idea of a 60% sounded good so I wished for one for christmas. Was utterly unusable in my day to day activities. I need those dedicated arrow keys. I use them too much.
That said, dedicated F keys and arrow keys or GTFO.
As ALWAYS :thumb: .
ONLY fvcking numb nuts who use 60% keyboards are Dell or some other pre-made PC users, that don't even know about a bios and how to use one.
So glad to use keyboards with the basic keys needed to tunnel back into any bios to alter the voltages when needed 8) .
Uhhhhh... no? Keys needed to access bios are usually Del or F2, and pretty much any bios on consumer hardware (not OEM stuff, real hardware) post-2012 supports a mouse anyway. You're not some l33t h4xor because you can OC. I'd argue that kind of crowd is *more* likely to have a 60%, as those interested in bios access almost certainly have an interest in computer hardware and peripherals.
People who use OEM systems are far less likely to use a 60% because it's too different from what they're used to.
Man, I'm using a full-sized keyboard and I've nearly run out of keys to use with i3wm let alone MMOs and other programs that need shortcuts. Sure a 60% won't have the same flexing/wobbling problems but I still can't understand how people can use a keyboard without an F row as a daily driver. I can remap a keyboard but I'm not sure I can remap my brain after so many years of full sized boards :confused:
That said, dedicated F keys and arrow keys or GTFO.
As ALWAYS :thumb: .
ONLY fvcking numb nuts who use 60% keyboards are Dell or some other pre-made PC users, that don't even know about a bios and how to use one.
So glad to use keyboards with the basic keys needed to tunnel back into any bios to alter the voltages when needed 8) .
Uhhhhh... no? Keys needed to access bios are usually Del or F2, and pretty much any bios on consumer hardware (not OEM stuff, real hardware) post-2012 supports a mouse anyway. You're not some l33t h4xor because you can OC. I'd argue that kind of crowd is *more* likely to have a 60%, as those interested in bios access almost certainly have an interest in computer hardware and peripherals.
People who use OEM systems are far less likely to use a 60% because it's too different from what they're used to.
Man, I'm using a full-sized keyboard and I've nearly run out of keys to use with i3wm let alone MMOs and other programs that need shortcuts. Sure a 60% won't have the same flexing/wobbling problems but I still can't understand how people can use a keyboard without an F row as a daily driver. I can remap a keyboard but I'm not sure I can remap my brain after so many years of full sized boards :confused:
That said, dedicated F keys and arrow keys or GTFO.
As ALWAYS :thumb: .
ONLY fvcking numb nuts who use 60% keyboards are Dell or some other pre-made PC users, that don't even know about a bios and how to use one.
So glad to use keyboards with the basic keys needed to tunnel back into any bios to alter the voltages when needed 8) .
Uhhhhh... no? Keys needed to access bios are usually Del or F2, and pretty much any bios on consumer hardware (not OEM stuff, real hardware) post-2012 supports a mouse anyway. You're not some l33t h4xor because you can OC. I'd argue that kind of crowd is *more* likely to have a 60%, as those interested in bios access almost certainly have an interest in computer hardware and peripherals.
People who use OEM systems are far less likely to use a 60% because it's too different from what they're used to.
Man, I'm using a full-sized keyboard and I've nearly run out of keys to use with i3wm let alone MMOs and other programs that need shortcuts. Sure a 60% won't have the same flexing/wobbling problems but I still can't understand how people can use a keyboard without an F row as a daily driver. I can remap a keyboard but I'm not sure I can remap my brain after so many years of full sized boards :confused:
I've seen people use 60% boards for tablets. That makes sense as tablets don't really use F keys in the first place. I'm not much of a tablet user and most of the use I've had for it surrounded web surfing with very little typing needed. For those small bits of typing, the on-screen keyboard was sufficient. Thus I really don't have a need for a 60% board. I could use one if I had to but I heavily prefer a larger keyboard at 75% or larger and really wouldn't mind if some company made a ready-built ANSI 122-key keyboard.
Is the selling point that you're moving your hands less because all of the functions are layered over the alpha block?For me, yes. I find the 60% more ergonomic because I move my hands less. Sure I could have a programmable TKL that still retains the keys that I don't use, but I don't see the point of that.
I honestly don't understand 60% at all. If you're very short on space (like in a cubicle keyboard tray), I could understand going tenkeyless, but 60% only saves you an inch and change on TKL. Nobody's desktop is tiny enough to need that extra inch.60% saves over 3×19 mm (assuming standard spacing), that's the width of a narrow mouse.
Travel allot but don't want to give up your full sized key switches? This makes the most sense to me, but you really couldn't squeeze a TKL into your bag?I sometimes use an external keyboard on the top of my laptop, which is 30 cm wide, i.e., the same width as a 65% or 75% keyboard; a standard tenkeyless would overlap.
Is the selling point that you're moving your hands less because all of the functions are layered over the alpha block? You can still create those layers on a TKL or full size board, and then have the nav cluster and/or numpad when you need it.But if you don't need it, there's no reason for it to be there and get in the way, when reaching for the mouse (or other pointing device) or drawing/writing with the right hand.
I honestly don't understand 60% at all. If you're very short on space (like in a cubicle keyboard tray), I could understand going tenkeyless, but 60% only saves you an inch and change on TKL. Nobody's desktop is tiny enough to need that extra inch.
Is the selling point that you're moving your hands less because all of the functions are layered over the alpha block? You can still create those layers on a TKL or full size board, and then have the nav cluster and/or numpad when you need it. Is it some sort of feng shui minimalist appeal? Fine, but then you can't really argue that it's a more functional board. It's just an art piece at that point. Travel allot but don't want to give up your full sized key switches? This makes the most sense to me, but you really couldn't squeeze a TKL into your bag?
Please, explain what I'm missing.
Is the selling point that you're moving your hands less because all of the functions are layered over the alpha block?For me, yes. I find the 60% more ergonomic because I move my hands less. Sure I could have a programmable TKL that still retains the keys that I don't use, but I don't see the point of that.
I honestly don't understand 60% at all. If you're very short on space (like in a cubicle keyboard tray), I could understand going tenkeyless, but 60% only saves you an inch and change on TKL. Nobody's desktop is tiny enough to need that extra inch.
Is the selling point that you're moving your hands less because all of the functions are layered over the alpha block? You can still create those layers on a TKL or full size board, and then have the nav cluster and/or numpad when you need it. Is it some sort of feng shui minimalist appeal? Fine, but then you can't really argue that it's a more functional board. It's just an art piece at that point. Travel allot but don't want to give up your full sized key switches? This makes the most sense to me, but you really couldn't squeeze a TKL into your bag?
Please, explain what I'm missing.
A 60% is still too big for my required mouse space when playing CS. I need to play on a split 40% to have enough room to move the mouse without hitting the board. I could have the biggest desk in the world but my shoulders can only stretch so far. You see a lot of pros playing with their boards near vertical, because a TKL is still too large for the space they need.
I'll admit a lot of the appeal to me in more compact layouts is the appearance (not really a fan of Poker-style models though), and I've recently started taking a liking to TKL's as well, but you can't tell me that a TKL kept the correct keys. So much wasted space, with keys that I rarely use. I don't need dedicated arrows because I've set up my workflow to not require them, I don't need function keys because what the **** are they even for, and I don't need the nav buttons because I either have their equivalents in emacs or access them rarely enough that a function layer is fine for them. A TKL is also way, way bigger than a 60%, and wouldn't fit in my bag and would like ridiculous on top of my 12' laptop :p
Of course my use case isn't everyone's, but that's why I use what I do.
I also don't think anyone says they're more functional, more ergonomic maybe but the function is the exact same...
Is the selling point that you're moving your hands less because all of the functions are layered over the alpha block?For me, yes. I find the 60% more ergonomic because I move my hands less. Sure I could have a programmable TKL that still retains the keys that I don't use, but I don't see the point of that.
For me, I find a 60% less ergonomic as it requires excessive chording rather than using a single key. I'd much rather move my hand than have to go into more 3-key chords or create yet more chordings I'll need to remember (and probably end up forgetting). For simple things like Shift or Alt it's not bad but just about every standard, TKL, 75%, and 60% keyboard puts the Fn key on the right side which, for gaming, is an absolute **** decision when only my left hand is on the keyboard.I honestly don't understand 60% at all. If you're very short on space (like in a cubicle keyboard tray), I could understand going tenkeyless, but 60% only saves you an inch and change on TKL. Nobody's desktop is tiny enough to need that extra inch.
Is the selling point that you're moving your hands less because all of the functions are layered over the alpha block? You can still create those layers on a TKL or full size board, and then have the nav cluster and/or numpad when you need it. Is it some sort of feng shui minimalist appeal? Fine, but then you can't really argue that it's a more functional board. It's just an art piece at that point. Travel allot but don't want to give up your full sized key switches? This makes the most sense to me, but you really couldn't squeeze a TKL into your bag?
Please, explain what I'm missing.
A 60% is still too big for my required mouse space when playing CS. I need to play on a split 40% to have enough room to move the mouse without hitting the board. I could have the biggest desk in the world but my shoulders can only stretch so far. You see a lot of pros playing with their boards near vertical, because a TKL is still too large for the space they need.
I'll admit a lot of the appeal to me in more compact layouts is the appearance (not really a fan of Poker-style models though), and I've recently started taking a liking to TKL's as well, but you can't tell me that a TKL kept the correct keys. So much wasted space, with keys that I rarely use. I don't need dedicated arrows because I've set up my workflow to not require them, I don't need function keys because what the **** are they even for, and I don't need the nav buttons because I either have their equivalents in emacs or access them rarely enough that a function layer is fine for them. A TKL is also way, way bigger than a 60%, and wouldn't fit in my bag and would like ridiculous on top of my 12' laptop :p
Of course my use case isn't everyone's, but that's why I use what I do.
I also don't think anyone says they're more functional, more ergonomic maybe but the function is the exact same...
At that point you could probably get something like an Ergodox, the new mech Kinesys Freestyle, or a Matias pro and just scoot the right-hand side of the split away. Kinesis even suggests it for gaming.
For me, no keys would ever properly replace the arrow keys. In vim, I can do without them. In Notepad++ or Atom, not at all. If anything, I'd simply want them on the left side of the keyboard rather than next to the numpad for home (at work I mouse lefty to ease right forearm pain so the arrow keys on the right side is fine). It would make web surfing more convenient for hitting Home/End. I'm also not huge on a TKL as a 75% has basically every key in a compact form. I'd rather go that route.
For extreme gaming where, they can probably get a pass (even if a half keyboard is probably more ideal for that.) However, the HHKB (the most famous 60% board) labels itself as a productivity board for professionals, and that makes no sense to me at all.You're ignoring a big portion of the *nix world.
Is the selling point that you're moving your hands less because all of the functions are layered over the alpha block?For me, yes. I find the 60% more ergonomic because I move my hands less. Sure I could have a programmable TKL that still retains the keys that I don't use, but I don't see the point of that.
For me, I find a 60% less ergonomic as it requires excessive chording rather than using a single key. I'd much rather move my hand than have to go into more 3-key chords or create yet more chordings I'll need to remember (and probably end up forgetting). For simple things like Shift or Alt it's not bad but just about every standard, TKL, 75%, and 60% keyboard puts the Fn key on the right side which, for gaming, is an absolute **** decision when only my left hand is on the keyboard.I honestly don't understand 60% at all. If you're very short on space (like in a cubicle keyboard tray), I could understand going tenkeyless, but 60% only saves you an inch and change on TKL. Nobody's desktop is tiny enough to need that extra inch.
Is the selling point that you're moving your hands less because all of the functions are layered over the alpha block? You can still create those layers on a TKL or full size board, and then have the nav cluster and/or numpad when you need it. Is it some sort of feng shui minimalist appeal? Fine, but then you can't really argue that it's a more functional board. It's just an art piece at that point. Travel allot but don't want to give up your full sized key switches? This makes the most sense to me, but you really couldn't squeeze a TKL into your bag?
Please, explain what I'm missing.
A 60% is still too big for my required mouse space when playing CS. I need to play on a split 40% to have enough room to move the mouse without hitting the board. I could have the biggest desk in the world but my shoulders can only stretch so far. You see a lot of pros playing with their boards near vertical, because a TKL is still too large for the space they need.
I'll admit a lot of the appeal to me in more compact layouts is the appearance (not really a fan of Poker-style models though), and I've recently started taking a liking to TKL's as well, but you can't tell me that a TKL kept the correct keys. So much wasted space, with keys that I rarely use. I don't need dedicated arrows because I've set up my workflow to not require them, I don't need function keys because what the **** are they even for, and I don't need the nav buttons because I either have their equivalents in emacs or access them rarely enough that a function layer is fine for them. A TKL is also way, way bigger than a 60%, and wouldn't fit in my bag and would like ridiculous on top of my 12' laptop :p
Of course my use case isn't everyone's, but that's why I use what I do.
I also don't think anyone says they're more functional, more ergonomic maybe but the function is the exact same...
At that point you could probably get something like an Ergodox, the new mech Kinesys Freestyle, or a Matias pro and just scoot the right-hand side of the split away. Kinesis even suggests it for gaming.
For me, no keys would ever properly replace the arrow keys. In vim, I can do without them. In Notepad++ or Atom, not at all. If anything, I'd simply want them on the left side of the keyboard rather than next to the numpad for home (at work I mouse lefty to ease right forearm pain so the arrow keys on the right side is fine). It would make web surfing more convenient for hitting Home/End. I'm also not huge on a TKL as a 75% has basically every key in a compact form. I'd rather go that route.
This is pretty much where I'm at on this. 60% does make a bit more sense in the context of hardcore gaming, but I can't imagine myself being productive with such a compact layout. Even in the context of gaming, it feels like the extra keys are removed as a concession (to get the mouse closer to the board) rather than as a real feature. The keyboard still does less at the end of the day.
I'll admit to being environmentally biased toward more keys: I sometimes work professionally on the iSeries (the system that IBM's 122 key battleship was designed to interface with), and even 101/104 key boards require allot of chording when dealing with that system. F13-F24 requires shift+F1-F12. The SysRq key is actually used. The remaining ten buttons were replaced with various difficult to remember shortcuts and labyrinthine menus in the IBM Terminal Emulator. Dealing with that type of stuff would quickly get silly on 60% layouts. I can't even imagine trying to use this system without an arrow cluster.
But even when I'm not dealing with ancient legacy stuff, most IDEs have reams of keyboard shortcuts that seem like they'd be inconvenient to pull off on anything smaller than a TKL board. It's just not worth it for a bit more free space on my desktop.
For me (and most non-gamers, I'd imagine) the best solution is to just place the mouse on the left: that eliminates the long travel issue and allows me to keep my useful key clusters on the right. It took less than two weeks for me to pick up left handed mousing, and I'd never go back.
For extreme gaming where, they can probably get a pass (even if a half keyboard is probably more ideal for that.) However, the HHKB (the most famous 60% board) labels itself as a productivity board for professionals, and that makes no sense to me at all.
For extreme gaming where, they can probably get a pass (even if a half keyboard is probably more ideal for that.) However, the HHKB (the most famous 60% board) labels itself as a productivity board for professionals, and that makes no sense to me at all.You're ignoring a big portion of the *nix world.
Eiiti Wada, the original designer of HHKB, is an Emacs user. The list of famous HHKB users includes RMS or Bjarne Stroustrup.
While not a huge fan of how they feel compared to Cherry or gateron I prefer the SOUND of Blue kailh switches as they are far more muted and not nearly as annoying as Cherry or Gateron or Outemu etc.
HHKB users love their backspace position because they are terrible typistsMeh.
HHKB users love their backspace position because they are terrible typists
HHKB users love their backspace position because they are terrible typistsMeh.
I'm currently correcting text written by someone else. Of course I need to delete their mistakes somehow (and not just typos).
Backspace is also useful for moving in history.
Backspace for history?[web|file|image] browser
Ctrl-P for previous in history, Ctrl-N for next.
I honestly don't understand 60% at all. If you're very short on space (like in a cubicle keyboard tray), I could understand going tenkeyless, but 60% only saves you an inch and change on TKL. Nobody's desktop is tiny enough to need that extra inch.
Is the selling point that you're moving your hands less because all of the functions are layered over the alpha block? You can still create those layers on a TKL or full size board, and then have the nav cluster and/or numpad when you need it. Is it some sort of feng shui minimalist appeal? Fine, but then you can't really argue that it's a more functional board. It's just an art piece at that point. Travel allot but don't want to give up your full sized key switches? This makes the most sense to me, but you really couldn't squeeze a TKL into your bag?
Please, explain what I'm missing.
A 60% is still too big for my required mouse space when playing CS. I need to play on a split 40% to have enough room to move the mouse without hitting the board. I could have the biggest desk in the world but my shoulders can only stretch so far. You see a lot of pros playing with their boards near vertical, because a TKL is still too large for the space they need.
I'll admit a lot of the appeal to me in more compact layouts is the appearance (not really a fan of Poker-style models though), and I've recently started taking a liking to TKL's as well, but you can't tell me that a TKL kept the correct keys. So much wasted space, with keys that I rarely use. I don't need dedicated arrows because I've set up my workflow to not require them, I don't need function keys because what the **** are they even for, and I don't need the nav buttons because I either have their equivalents in emacs or access them rarely enough that a function layer is fine for them. A TKL is also way, way bigger than a 60%, and wouldn't fit in my bag and would like ridiculous on top of my 12' laptop :p
Of course my use case isn't everyone's, but that's why I use what I do.
I also don't think anyone says they're more functional, more ergonomic maybe but the function is the exact same...
If there's something I dislike about the usual HHKB, it's the huge-ass spacebar.
I honestly don't understand 60% at all. If you're very short on space (like in a cubicle keyboard tray), I could understand going tenkeyless, but 60% only saves you an inch and change on TKL. Nobody's desktop is tiny enough to need that extra inch.
Is the selling point that you're moving your hands less because all of the functions are layered over the alpha block? You can still create those layers on a TKL or full size board, and then have the nav cluster and/or numpad when you need it. Is it some sort of feng shui minimalist appeal? Fine, but then you can't really argue that it's a more functional board. It's just an art piece at that point. Travel allot but don't want to give up your full sized key switches? This makes the most sense to me, but you really couldn't squeeze a TKL into your bag?
Please, explain what I'm missing.
A 60% is still too big for my required mouse space when playing CS. I need to play on a split 40% to have enough room to move the mouse without hitting the board. I could have the biggest desk in the world but my shoulders can only stretch so far. You see a lot of pros playing with their boards near vertical, because a TKL is still too large for the space they need.
I'll admit a lot of the appeal to me in more compact layouts is the appearance (not really a fan of Poker-style models though), and I've recently started taking a liking to TKL's as well, but you can't tell me that a TKL kept the correct keys. So much wasted space, with keys that I rarely use. I don't need dedicated arrows because I've set up my workflow to not require them, I don't need function keys because what the **** are they even for, and I don't need the nav buttons because I either have their equivalents in emacs or access them rarely enough that a function layer is fine for them. A TKL is also way, way bigger than a 60%, and wouldn't fit in my bag and would like ridiculous on top of my 12' laptop :p
Of course my use case isn't everyone's, but that's why I use what I do.
I also don't think anyone says they're more functional, more ergonomic maybe but the function is the exact same...
Get one of those gaming keypad things.
Backspace for history?[web|file|image] browser
Ctrl-P for previous in history, Ctrl-N for next.
When I'm in shell/emacs, I can obviously back-delete with Ctrl-H too.
I must say the only time I use backspace in a browser is by mistake.You must be one of the few people, who like that it's disabled in most mainstream browsers by default then.
For file browsing I really only use a few keys. Probably shift, ctrl, and delete primarily. That or I'm renaming a file.Navigation in the directory structure…? Unless, of course, you're using the mouse, or . and .. are displayed as files.
I must say the only time I use backspace in a browser is by mistake.You must be one of the few people, who like that it's disabled in most mainstream browsers by default then.For file browsing I really only use a few keys. Probably shift, ctrl, and delete primarily. That or I'm renaming a file.Navigation in the directory structure…? Unless, of course, you're using the mouse, or . and .. are displayed as files.
Keyboards without winkey aren't worth considering. :-X
They're only worth considering if you have Control in the proper place, otherwise I can't interact properly with my computer.
Same for me but with winkey. How am I supposed to move my windows?
That's what i meant, have control instead of caps and rebind where control would be on bottom row to super
That said, dedicated F keys and arrow keys or GTFO.
As ALWAYS :thumb: .
ONLY fvcking numb nuts who use 60% keyboards are Dell or some other pre-made PC users, that don't even know about a bios and how to use one.
So glad to use keyboards with the basic keys needed to tunnel back into any bios to alter the voltages when needed 8) .
Having glanced through this thread, I feel like most "unpopular opinions" on here are actually just *controversial* opinions, which usually are not all that unpopular. I share a lot of popular opinions, but allow me to contribute what I'm sure are some genuinely unpopular ones, from most to least unpopular.
1. I dislike both standard placements of the Control key. Despite growing up on MS-DOS and Windows machines and scarcely encountering a Mac until late 2004, nearly 15 years into my experience with PCs, I so drastically prefer the Command key shortcuts to Control ones that I swap the left-side Control and Alt on Windows machines, despite spending a majority of my time using Windows again for the past three years.
2. Every linear switch I've ever tried (Cherry MX Black, Red, Speed Silver, complicated green Alps, linear simplified black Alps, linear modded Matias Click, linear modded Alps Cream Damped, Matias quiet linear) I find to be simply horrible. I even game, and have no trouble acknowledging that from a technical standpoint, they're superior for gaming. It doesn't seem to matter how well made or well regarded a switch I try. I just hate the feeling of pressing down on a switch and feeling no tactile bump of any kind. Obviously there are linear switches I have not tried, and I'll never pass up an opportunity to give a new keyboard switch a shot (I feel compelled to try even the cheapest, ugliest rubber dome boards whenever I first encounter them) but man, do I hate pressing the linear switches I *have* tried. It just feels to me like something has gone wrong.
3. I genuinely like Apple butterfly switches. They are, of course, not in the same league as most full-travel mechanicals, but they're my favorite true laptop switch I've yet tried.
2) I prefer the sound of Model F to Model M. Most people are the other way around, but I actually like the purposeful clicking and pinging of the F. The M just sounds dull, and whatever frequency the springs are resonating at bothers me after awhile.
2) I prefer the sound of Model F to Model M. Most people are the other way around, but I actually like the purposeful clicking and pinging of the F. The M just sounds dull, and whatever frequency the springs are resonating at bothers me after awhile.
I don't like the sound of either Model F/M. I think Alps are my favorite clicky switch sound.
Though I've heard from at least two people that you can get close to that sound if you bolt mod the M.
2) I prefer the sound of Model F to Model M. Most people are the other way around, but I actually like the purposeful clicking and pinging of the F. The M just sounds dull, and whatever frequency the springs are resonating at bothers me after awhile.
I don't like the sound of either Model F/M. I think Alps are my favorite clicky switch sound.
Though I've heard from at least two people that you can get close to that sound if you bolt mod the M.
Blue Alps?
Once you adapt your typing style a bit MX reds are fantastic for typing on, especially with Cherry profile PBT. Iv'e actually come to enjoy them more than tactile Switches.
I hate winkeyless boards, I use the meta key all the time and leaving it off seems crazy to me when the space is there.
I hate winkeyless boards, I use the meta key all the time and leaving it off seems crazy to me when the space is there.
Meta is the Alt key, Super is winkey :p rebind other keys, if you use it that much and don't need control often, put it in place of capslock or right shift
Keyboards with floating keys should not have backlighting.
trying out HHKB's fn layer in a DC-2014 and find it the worst!
spaceFN with this layout is the best for office/non-gaming use
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Using a 60% percent layout. I need that num pad bros. Even a model F layout is fine, Just need that num pad. I own a pok3r that I don't use that often due to the layout. Love the switches though, might get mx clears in a full size board.
-> The MX-gen (ie. earlier) Razer BlackWidow Ultimate is very well built... it may actually be the best built keyboard that I have, actually.
Using a 60% percent layout. I need that num pad bros. Even a model F layout is fine, Just need that num pad. I own a pok3r that I don't use that often due to the layout. Love the switches though, might get mx clears in a full size board.
-> The MX-gen (ie. earlier) Razer BlackWidow Ultimate is very well built... it may actually be the best built keyboard that I have, actually.
I've heard that quite a few times and nobody ever tried to dispute it, so I reckon that's not really an unpopular opinion, just one that doesn't get brought up often.
Using a 60% percent layout. I need that num pad bros. Even a model F layout is fine, Just need that num pad. I own a pok3r that I don't use that often due to the layout. Love the switches though, might get mx clears in a full size board.You could always get a separate numpad if you otherwise like 60%.
I get you. What's the point of not having the key if it just leaves a big gap?I hate winkeyless boards, I use the meta key all the time and leaving it off seems crazy to me when the space is there.
Meta is the Alt key, Super is winkey rebind other keys, if you use it that much and don't need control often, put it in place of capslock or right shift
Oops said the wrong one! What I get for posting late. I know I can always rebind it elsewhere, it's totally a trivial gripe but that's the point of the thread right? :D
I get you. What's the point of not having the key if it just leaves a big gap?I hate winkeyless boards, I use the meta key all the time and leaving it off seems crazy to me when the space is there.
Meta is the Alt key, Super is winkey rebind other keys, if you use it that much and don't need control often, put it in place of capslock or right shift
Oops said the wrong one! What I get for posting late. I know I can always rebind it elsewhere, it's totally a trivial gripe but that's the point of the thread right? :D
-> The MX-gen (ie. earlier) Razer BlackWidow Ultimate is very well built... it may actually be the best built keyboard that I have, actually.
I've heard that quite a few times and nobody ever tried to dispute it, so I reckon that's not really an unpopular opinion, just one that doesn't get brought up often.
Not long ago, it was the keyboard to hate on. It was pretty much a meme around here.
I don't see it as much anymore since there are so many more boards available than there were just a few years ago. Having collected as many boards as I have, I've come to appreciate that it's actually quite a solid board, especially for the time.
To this day, it's the most rigid chassis I've come across... absolutely no creaks or noises when I apply a twisting force from either end. :cool:
Tried 40% for months at work, pointless board size. Nothing gained over 60% and plenty lost.
That's the thing I struggle to grasp. Assuming standard key spacing, a 60% keyboard is always going to be at least 28.5cm wide and 8.5cm deep, plus bezel. The difference between 60% and 75% is 2 cm in either direction, ditto for 40% and 60%.
If the keyboard is supposed to be used at a desktop and not carried around in a pocket, what's the point of going smaller than the 75%? The largest difference—after moving away from tenkeyless/full-size—is going split.
Of course, that assumes a more or less standard layout.
Well, there are multiple way to look at it.
75% keyboards are some of the most common in the market: almost every laptop has one, unless it features a numpad, hence a 90% keyboard. The problem is that there's no sensible standard for them.
It's no surprise that laptops and compact keyboards use something like that, because it doesn't waste as much space as tenkeyless (or IBM Model M's navigation section respectively), but keeps pretty much all the keys expected by mainstream operating systems.
Does it look cluttered? Perhaps. However, calling it cluttered compared to a "standard" 60% keyboard is idiotic, because even that layout is entirely arbitrary.
What I can get behind in terms of looks, hmm, something like Planck? That does have both symmetry and minimalism.
It has nothing to do with "nonstandard" key sizes and absolutely nothing to do with so-called "mechs". The keyboard either does, or doesn't allow efficient and comfortable usage in one way or another. It's inadvertently happened that laptops often have relatively decent layouts within the mainstream in the end.
Key spacing and key sizing can differ between laptop chiclet keyboards and mechanical keyboardsThere's a standard for key spacing, and most actually manufacturers respect that. (Although smaller vertical spacing would be beneficial for nearly all users.)
Key spacing and key sizing can differ between laptop chiclet keyboards and mechanical keyboardsThere's a standard for key spacing, and most actually manufacturers respect that. (Although smaller vertical spacing would be beneficial for nearly all users.)
And it has nothing to do with "mechanical keyboards" (which is BS term to begin with). Cherry G80s have 19mm spacing, G84s have 18mm spacing. Both have mechanical-contact switches.
Key sizes? Do you mean things like spacebar width? Well, the common 6.25u width is a waste of space, a similar thing holds for Shift keys and the rest is a result of the awkward row staggering. There's no need for keys larger than 2u, if they're in the right places, and most people have pretty similar hands (the differences are smaller than the setback caused by the industry standard for physical layout).
I'm not here to debate nomenclature either. By mechanical I mean MX- or Alps-style where the individual switches and accompanying keycaps physically limit how tightly you can place keys.That's on virtually any keyboard. The exact measure depends how the plate/PCB and keycaps are designed. There's a standard for that, but as I said: keyboards, that don't adhere to the standard, do exist. Cherry G84s (with mechanical-contact Cherry ML switches), some keyboards with Alps switches and large keycaps—or half-keycaps on Matias keyboards—microTron… or custom keyboards, such as kurplop's (with ML or Matias switches).
I think you underestimate how different people's hands can beSymmetrical hands, each with four fingers (with very similar length ratios) and an opposable thumb, all with similar joints etc. The differences are a centimeter here or there.
Most custom keyboards are ugly. The ones that look good are usually a copy of an existing board like the HHKB or the 660m.
Being a keyboard enthusiast is a cry for help:-[
Only the lowest of the low need a number pad and a number row.
MX Speeds are overrated and are crap compared to Reds.You don't have to duck in here. Stand tall.
*Ducks in a corner*
MX Speeds are overrated and are crap compared to Reds.
*Ducks in a corner*
I'll play;
Linear switches suck.
Big-Ass enter keys for the win!
Caps-lock keys are pointless. (And occupy premium keyboard location)
"Win" keys are worse than Caps-lock.
Finally, giving ANY "less used" keys premium space/size makes no sense.
Fail:
|\ on a key bigger than 1x1
Right space larger than left space.
Backspace keys bigger than tab keys.
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Caps-lock keys are pointless. (And occupy premium keyboard location)
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Caps-lock keys are pointless. (And occupy premium keyboard location)
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Caps Lock has its place if you deal with alpha-numeric codes frequently where the letters are capitalized and mixed with numbers.
It's definitely in the wrong spot though -- maybe ditch the Scroll Lock or Pause/Break for it... now talk about useless keys!
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Caps-lock keys are pointless. (And occupy premium keyboard location)
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Caps Lock has its place if you deal with alpha-numeric codes frequently where the letters are capitalized and mixed with numbers... It's definitely in the wrong spot though -- maybe ditch the Scroll Lock or Pause/Break for it... now talk about useless keys!
I'll play;
Linear switches suck.
Big-Ass enter keys for the win!
Caps-lock keys are pointless. (And occupy premium keyboard location)
"Win" keys are worse than Caps-lock.
Finally, giving ANY "less used" keys premium space/size makes no sense.
Fail:
|\ on a key bigger than 1x1
Right space larger than left space.
Backspace keys bigger than tab keys.
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I think I'm probably the only person here who likes the HHKB as it comes out of the box. No dome swapping, no silencing rings, no MX sliders. I can just plop it down and use it.
I think I'm probably the only person here who likes the HHKB as it comes out of the box. No dome swapping, no silencing rings, no MX sliders. I can just plop it down and use it.
I'm with you on that. Tried lubed, dome-swapped and mx sliders and they all felt... wrong.
I think I'm probably the only person here who likes the HHKB as it comes out of the box. No dome swapping, no silencing rings, no MX sliders. I can just plop it down and use it.
...and another thing... Why is the HHKB considered the measure of keyboard geekiness? I see so many posts by people who might be talking about their keyboard collection and add something like, "...but no HHKB - yet." (Er... So what? your collection is not invalidated without a keyboard - any keyboard. Stop apologizing for not owning a HHKB.) or "I'd like to score a HHKB but I'm not keen about the layout. I don't think I can get by without arrow keys" (Well, then, don't buy one!).
It's just a keyboard, man. It won't lower your taxes or anything. If you don't like the layout, don't buy one. And don't measure your worth by judging if you like the HHKB layout, or even if you own one.
...aahhh - finally got that off my chest.
;D
And if your text editor sucks.....
Caps-lock keys are pointless. (And occupy premium keyboard location)
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Caps Lock has its place if you deal with alpha-numeric codes frequently where the letters are capitalized and mixed with numbers.
Caps Lock has its place if you deal with alpha-numeric codes frequently where the letters are capitalized and mixed with numbers.
It's definitely in the wrong spot though -- maybe ditch the Scroll Lock or Pause/Break for it... now talk about useless keys!
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Caps-lock keys are pointless. (And occupy premium keyboard location)
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Caps Lock has its place if you deal with alpha-numeric codes frequently where the letters are capitalized and mixed with numbers.
It's definitely in the wrong spot though -- maybe ditch the Scroll Lock or Pause/Break for it... now talk about useless keys!
Those are reminiscent from the DOS era and text mode based operating systems. Linux is still using some of them.
Big-Ass enter keys for the win!
Caps-lock keys are pointless. (And occupy premium keyboard location)
"Win" keys are worse than Caps-lock.
ANSI board plus ISO Enter is freaking awesome. I don't end up accidentally pressing backslash instead of Enter with that layout as often as I do with pure ANSI :p
I think I'm probably the only person here who likes the HHKB as it comes out of the box. No dome swapping, no silencing rings, no MX sliders. I can just plop it down and use it.
...and another thing... Why is the HHKB considered the measure of keyboard geekiness? I see so many posts by people who might be talking about their keyboard collection and add something like, "...but no HHKB - yet." (Er... So what? your collection is not invalidated without a keyboard - any keyboard. Stop apologizing for not owning a HHKB.) or "I'd like to score a HHKB but I'm not keen about the layout. I don't think I can get by without arrow keys" (Well, then, don't buy one!).
It's just a keyboard, man. It won't lower your taxes or anything. If you don't like the layout, don't buy one. And don't measure your worth by judging if you like the HHKB layout, or even if you own one.
...aahhh - finally got that off my chest.
;D
Indeed: It is not an opinion, it is a fact. :p
ANSI board plus ISO Enter is freaking awesome. I don't end up accidentally pressing backslash instead of Enter with that layout as often as I do with pure ANSI :P
I think I'm probably the only person here who likes the HHKB as it comes out of the box. No dome swapping, no silencing rings, no MX sliders. I can just plop it down and use it.
...and another thing... Why is the HHKB considered the measure of keyboard geekiness? I see so many posts by people who might be talking about their keyboard collection and add something like, "...but no HHKB - yet." (Er... So what? your collection is not invalidated without a keyboard - any keyboard. Stop apologizing for not owning a HHKB.) or "I'd like to score a HHKB but I'm not keen about the layout. I don't think I can get by without arrow keys" (Well, then, don't buy one!).
It's just a keyboard, man. It won't lower your taxes or anything. If you don't like the layout, don't buy one. And don't measure your worth by judging if you like the HHKB layout, or even if you own one.
...aahhh - finally got that off my chest.
;D
It's because there is an extremely outspoken minority of HHKB lovers that shout from the highest mountaintops about how the HHKB is the be-all and end-all of keyboards. They have everybody that doesn't have one convinced that they need one.
I enjoy my HHKB and use it every day at work, but I prefer my custom boards that I have assembled myself.
Big-Ass enter keys for the win!
Caps-lock keys are pointless. (And occupy premium keyboard location)
"Win" keys are worse than Caps-lock.
Hypocrisy. BA Enter can just as well be split into two keys, in theory even three. I think it's the stupidest shape a key on a keyboard has ever had.
Big-Ass enter keys for the win!
Caps-lock keys are pointless. (And occupy premium keyboard location)
"Win" keys are worse than Caps-lock.
Hypocrisy. BA Enter can just as well be split into two keys, in theory even three. I think it's the stupidest shape a key on a keyboard has ever had.
The biggest problem with the small enter keys, is all that space they took back, they gave to a BA \| key... Not really an improvement, IMHO.
Keycap manufacturers still manage to make tall ISO enter keys, because tall ISO enter keys are used on a lot of keyboards. Had BA enter keys remained popular, I'm sure we'd have keycaps that size too.
You don't like BAe cause it wastes space, but you'll keep the huge space wasting Caps lock? A function that could easily be replaced/toggled by FN+Shift? And now we have to deal with a BA \| too? That's a true waste of space, so shrinking the enter key really didn't solve any problems.
And "win" keys, while actually functional, should have never been allow to be "branded", by an organization that changes the key's logo every couple years. Why not just have it labeled "OS".
I just don't see the point of shrinking the enter key, a key used an awful lot, just so there's room for a giant backspace, giant right shift, giant \| key, and free MS adverts.
Might be a good time to experiment with an improved 60% layout. Without the justification that certain keys are the size they are because some manufacture make a mistake 20 years ago, and that's the size the key caps are now. ;D
ISO enter is a whole different beast. ANSI compared to ISO has the exact same number of keys (2) in that small region, and I would argue that in terms of area to importance ratio, ISO is actually better because it makes \ a 1u key and gives Enter a bigger area.
ISO enter is a whole different beast. ANSI compared to ISO has the exact same number of keys (2) in that small region, and I would argue that in terms of area to importance ratio, ISO is actually better because it makes \ a 1u key and gives Enter a bigger area.
We can agree that Enter is, by far, the more commonly used key. However, I would argue that while the ISO layout does afford more area for the Enter key, it does so in a way that requires one to reach further for it and places the less-used "\" key closer to the home row. Same goes for the left shift, placing a less useful key closer to the home row and making me reach further for the shift. In my opinion, ANSI is the more efficient layout.
Big-Ass enter keys for the win!
Caps-lock keys are pointless. (And occupy premium keyboard location)
"Win" keys are worse than Caps-lock.
Hypocrisy. BA Enter can just as well be split into two keys, in theory even three. I think it's the stupidest shape a key on a keyboard has ever had.
ISO enter is a whole different beast. ANSI compared to ISO has the exact same number of keys (2) in that small region, and I would argue that in terms of area to importance ratio, ISO is actually better because it makes \ a 1u key and gives Enter a bigger area.
We can agree that Enter is, by far, the more commonly used key. However, I would argue that while the ISO layout does afford more area for the Enter key, it does so in a way that requires one to reach further for it and places the less-used "\" key closer to the home row. Same goes for the left shift, placing a less useful key closer to the home row and making me reach further for the shift. In my opinion, ANSI is the more efficient layout.
ISO enter is a whole different beast. ANSI compared to ISO has the exact same number of keys (2) in that small region, and I would argue that in terms of area to importance ratio, ISO is actually better because it makes \ a 1u key and gives Enter a bigger area.
We can agree that Enter is, by far, the more commonly used key. However, I would argue that while the ISO layout does afford more area for the Enter key, it does so in a way that requires one to reach further for it and places the less-used "\" key closer to the home row. Same goes for the left shift, placing a less useful key closer to the home row and making me reach further for the shift. In my opinion, ANSI is the more efficient layout.
That is a good point. And on Enter I'd agree, but I have never found the short ISO shift to be a problem as it is exactly the same distance from my left pinky as right shift is from my right pinky.
I don’t understand how/why people can tolerate HHKB’s lack of ctrl/caps lock.HHKB has Control above left Shift. That spot isn't great (emacs pinkie), but still better than the corner on mainstream keyboards. I'd prefer a thumb key, though.
I don’t understand how/why people can tolerate HHKB’s lack of ctrl/caps lock.HHKB has Control above left Shift. That spot isn't great (emacs pinkie), but still better than the corner on mainstream keyboards. I'd prefer a thumb key, though.
I'm mildly annoyed by the lack of right Control, however.
But Caps lock? I haven't used that in seven years. Why? I don't need a key for that; when I need the function (which is extremely rare), I can just select the region and press C-x C-u, boom, it's all upper case. Heck, if I really wanted the Caps lock function even in dumber apps, I could enable it in software—simply toggle one checkbox ("both Shift keys together toggle Caps lock") in System settings.
- “Artisan” keys are mostly ugly, especialy those with a skull/daemon/whatever.
Yea… I can understand switching caps lock and left ctrl, but I do regularly use caps lock for C++ constants/macro (I don’t like that either, but common convention… And selecting + uppercase-region is too slow… ) and shouting at people. The both shift keys thing could work though.I guess it'd be straightforward to create a macro for that. I haven't felt such need, though.
And strangely I never had any problem using ctrl on the bottom-left corner, while a lot of Emacs users have reported illness on the pinky…Overuse…
- The best mechanical switch is MX red.
- The best switch is the membrane on Razer keyboards.
- I don’t understand how/why people can tolerate HHKB’s lack of ctrl/caps lock.
- “Artisan” keys are mostly ugly, especialy those with a skull/daemon/whatever.
Caps lock comes in handy in various Reddit sports communities. In /r/hockey, for example, the Friday Trash Talk Discussion thread is always in all caps. Overtime is in all caps. Playoff double overtime is bold caps. 3x overtime is italic bold caps. Other subs do similar things as well.Exactly. You don't have a key (incl. a dedicated scan code in the keyboard protocol) for bold or italic, do you?
Caps lock comes in handy in various Reddit sports communities. In /r/hockey, for example, the Friday Trash Talk Discussion thread is always in all caps. Overtime is in all caps. Playoff double overtime is bold caps. 3x overtime is italic bold caps. Other subs do similar things as well.Exactly. You don't have a key (incl. a dedicated scan code in the keyboard protocol) for bold or italic, do you?
Caps lock comes in handy in various Reddit sports communities. In /r/hockey, for example, the Friday Trash Talk Discussion thread is always in all caps. Overtime is in all caps. Playoff double overtime is bold caps. 3x overtime is italic bold caps. Other subs do similar things as well.Exactly. You don't have a key (incl. a dedicated scan code in the keyboard protocol) for bold or italic, do you?
Well no, because that is formatting and bold/italic are triggered in reddit markup by surrounding a block of text with *. I think all of the reasons why capslock is useful are valid, but pressing both shifts or Fn+Shift to activate it seems perfectly fine to me.
So is capitalization/case style.bold or italicthat is formatting
So is capitalization/case style.bold or italicthat is formatting
ABS keycaps getting shiny is a feature, and they get more pleasant to use as they get worn-in and smooth.
italic != oblique type
The glyphs are different. The typeface has to support italic.
ABS keycaps getting shiny is a feature, and they get more pleasant to use as they get worn-in and smooth.
What argument? This?italic != oblique type
The glyphs are different. The typeface has to support italic.
Ah interesting, didn't know about oblique. Still, does that in any way invalidate my argument?
that is formatting and bold/italic are triggered in reddit markup by surrounding a block of text with *That's completely arbitrary.
Let's backtrack. What's the deal here? The Caps lock key. Caps lock is a distinct function, not to be confused with Shift lock, which is a full layer toggle, whereas Caps lock typically works only for letters, i.e., typing in uppercase. That's formatting.
Any visually distinct symbol may carry specific semantics in a given context—math is a classic example—but typically it doesn't and the choice of typeface for emphasis is arbitrary. In the time of universal computers, separation of semantics and presentation is a thing, and it's a good thing, because it enables readers to use whatever output format they want or need (including text to speech synthesis instead of a screen/printer).
Going back to the Reddit example, the Reddit's editor—just like many other Markdown (or other markup) implementations—translates those underscores/asterisks into <em> (emphasis) or <strong> tags, i.e., not italic/bold as Niomosy probably believes. It's up to the browser/reader to style them; that's usually italic or bold typeface, but it doesn't have to be that way. The stylesheet may assign different colors or other typeface to them. And going back to uppercase once again, there's the "text-transform" CSS property for that.
Typing in uppercase, however, mixes source text with presentation.
So is capitalization/case style.bold or italicthat is formatting
Sorry, what I meant was font style. Caps or not caps use different letters/bytes, but fot bold/italic you change the display of the font itself.
Caps lock comes in handy in various Reddit sports communities. In /r/hockey, for example, the Friday Trash Talk Discussion thread is always in all caps. Overtime is in all caps. Playoff double overtime is bold caps. 3x overtime is italic bold caps. Other subs do similar things as well.
99.9% of people do not benefit from mechanical keyboards.I honestly don't think a lot of people do it for some sort of benefit. At least I don't. I do it for the looks and feel. Is that a benefit?
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5) I like the idea of 75% keyboards but have never seen one I liked.
The point is that Caps lock isn't systemic. If it still were Shift lock, the point would be moot.
This caps lock discussion seems much ado about nothing.
A lot of the new cool mechanical keyboards out there will break in 5 years or less. Quality sucks.
A lot of the new cool mechanical keyboards out there will break in 5 years or less. Quality sucks.
A lot of the new "cool" Mechanical boards out there are "Gamer" focused and more concerned with cool lights and crap than actual quality so I agree. This is why I stick to the old reliable enthusiast brands for the most part, My Leopold will likely be my daily driver for years and years to come.
Hah, love this thread. Will have to read it all eventually. This is all on repeat but
1) Hate linear switches
2) Hate DSA
3) HATE artisan keycaps. Like, really really hate. There was a lucky cat one I wanted once, but the chance of it ever being put on one of my keyboards is about equal to the chance that I'd use a mousepad made out of fish tank gravel.
4) Hate full size keyboards - 60%s go perfect with my kensington slimblade at work, and TKLs work well enough with my small to travel sized mice at home. I like to have everything in as small a space as possible. I wouldn't mind the numpad if it was on the left, but I'd still never use it so what's the point.
5) I like the idea of 75% keyboards but have never seen one I liked.
99.9% of people do not benefit from mechanical keyboards.I honestly don't think a lot of people do it for some sort of benefit. At least I don't. I do it for the looks and feel. Is that a benefit?
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A lot of the new cool mechanical keyboards out there will break in 5 years or less. Quality sucks.
A lot of the new "cool" Mechanical boards out there are "Gamer" focused and more concerned with cool lights and crap than actual quality so I agree. This is why I stick to the old reliable enthusiast brands for the most part, My Leopold will likely be my daily driver for years and years to come.
There is nothing wrong with LEDs and bright colors, the actual problem is them taking over on functionality and reliability.
99.9% of people do not benefit from mechanical keyboards.I honestly don't think a lot of people do it for some sort of benefit. At least I don't. I do it for the looks and feel. Is that a benefit?
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No, your life has become aimless, and you're looking for meaning/ purpose by ways of shopping.. Ultimately you trade your LIFE for the money, and you throw that money away on objects which do nothing to improve your circumstance.
/ Not kidding
/ But, It's not like I know what you aught to be doing..
/ I'm just pointing out that this is probably what's happening
/ You gotta figure out how to fix it
/ It's probably not going to happen through buying yet another keyboard though.
/ This much is certain.
/ Happy life.
No, your life has become aimless, and you're looking for meaning/ purpose by ways of shopping.. Ultimately you trade your LIFE for the money, and you throw that money away on objects which do nothing to improve your circumstance.
/ Not kidding
/ But, It's not like I know what you aught to be doing..
/ I'm just pointing out that this is probably what's happening
/ You gotta figure out how to fix it
/ It's probably not going to happen through buying yet another keyboard though.
/ This much is certain.
/ Happy life.
So, the more Model M/F-style keyboards we have, the emptier we are on the inside.
A lot of the new cool mechanical keyboards out there will break in 5 years or less. Quality sucks.
A lot of the new "cool" Mechanical boards out there are "Gamer" focused and more concerned with cool lights and crap than actual quality so I agree. This is why I stick to the old reliable enthusiast brands for the most part, My Leopold will likely be my daily driver for years and years to come.
There is nothing wrong with LEDs and bright colors, the actual problem is them taking over on functionality and reliability.
Asides from the fact several manufacturers are focusing too much on that over quality, honestly I think much of it is incredibly tacky and I would be embarrassed to have most of these "Gamer" styled keyboards on my desk.
Sure, if you're going poor buying keyboards. But if it's a drop in the bucket and brings you joy, why not?
The same can be said of anything in life. It's up to each person to determine what brings them joy and is worth time/money in life. :cool:
I'm okay with that though. My life has been aimless since I was born and I haven't found anything else that has entertained me for this long so I'm okay with trading my money or my time for experiences with people and fun.99.9% of people do not benefit from mechanical keyboards.I honestly don't think a lot of people do it for some sort of benefit. At least I don't. I do it for the looks and feel. Is that a benefit?
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No, your life has become aimless, and you're looking for meaning/ purpose by ways of shopping.. Ultimately you trade your LIFE for the money, and you throw that money away on objects which do nothing to improve your circumstance.
/ Not kidding
/ But, It's not like I know what you aught to be doing..
/ I'm just pointing out that this is probably what's happening
/ You gotta figure out how to fix it
/ It's probably not going to happen through buying yet another keyboard though.
/ This much is certain.
/ Happy life.
Frankly this is one of the most social hobbies I've adopted in a long time. It's not just a hobby; it is a community!I'm okay with that though. My life has been aimless since I was born and I haven't found anything else that has entertained me for this long so I'm okay with trading my money or my time for experiences with people and fun.99.9% of people do not benefit from mechanical keyboards.I honestly don't think a lot of people do it for some sort of benefit. At least I don't. I do it for the looks and feel. Is that a benefit?
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No, your life has become aimless, and you're looking for meaning/ purpose by ways of shopping.. Ultimately you trade your LIFE for the money, and you throw that money away on objects which do nothing to improve your circumstance.
/ Not kidding
/ But, It's not like I know what you aught to be doing..
/ I'm just pointing out that this is probably what's happening
/ You gotta figure out how to fix it
/ It's probably not going to happen through buying yet another keyboard though.
/ This much is certain.
/ Happy life.
You also don't benefit from telling people what they do and do benefit from do you? I get what you're saying but it's not so simple as me throwing my life away and sinking into a put of pointlessness because life has been pointless.
Keyboard benefit me by giving me experiences in my opinion.
Whatever though
Exactly. I enjoy interacting with all these people and sure, this hobby might hurt the wallet at times and leave me frustrated, but I do think the point is not only the items found in this hobby but the people too. So keyboards have benefited me and a bunch of other people I'd say.Frankly this is one of the most social hobbies I've adopted in a long time. It's not just a hobby; it is a community!I'm okay with that though. My life has been aimless since I was born and I haven't found anything else that has entertained me for this long so I'm okay with trading my money or my time for experiences with people and fun.99.9% of people do not benefit from mechanical keyboards.I honestly don't think a lot of people do it for some sort of benefit. At least I don't. I do it for the looks and feel. Is that a benefit?
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No, your life has become aimless, and you're looking for meaning/ purpose by ways of shopping.. Ultimately you trade your LIFE for the money, and you throw that money away on objects which do nothing to improve your circumstance.
/ Not kidding
/ But, It's not like I know what you aught to be doing..
/ I'm just pointing out that this is probably what's happening
/ You gotta figure out how to fix it
/ It's probably not going to happen through buying yet another keyboard though.
/ This much is certain.
/ Happy life.
You also don't benefit from telling people what they do and do benefit from do you? I get what you're saying but it's not so simple as me throwing my life away and sinking into a put of pointlessness because life has been pointless.
Keyboard benefit me by giving me experiences in my opinion.
Whatever though
Hah, love this thread. Will have to read it all eventually. This is all on repeat but
1) Hate linear switches
2) Hate DSA
3) HATE artisan keycaps. Like, really really hate. There was a lucky cat one I wanted once, but the chance of it ever being put on one of my keyboards is about equal to the chance that I'd use a mousepad made out of fish tank gravel.
4) Hate full size keyboards - 60%s go perfect with my kensington slimblade at work, and TKLs work well enough with my small to travel sized mice at home. I like to have everything in as small a space as possible. I wouldn't mind the numpad if it was on the left, but I'd still never use it so what's the point.
5) I like the idea of 75% keyboards but have never seen one I liked.
Sure, if you're going poor buying keyboards. But if it's a drop in the bucket and brings you joy, why not?
The same can be said of anything in life. It's up to each person to determine what brings them joy and is worth time/money in life. :cool:
That is dangerous, and limited.
We are our own worst enemy, because of how little information and scope each individual human can process.
I'd say Trusting oneself is laying too much stock in a very limited animal.
My proposal is a super computer to replace human leadership.. But hey.. skynet right ? sigh..............
Exactly. I enjoy interacting with all these people and sure, this hobby might hurt the wallet at times and leave me frustrated, but I do think the point is not only the items found in this hobby but the people too. So keyboards have benefited me and a bunch of other people I'd say.Frankly this is one of the most social hobbies I've adopted in a long time. It's not just a hobby; it is a community!
I'm okay with that though. My life has been aimless since I was born and I haven't found anything else that has entertained me for this long so I'm okay with trading my money or my time for experiences with people and fun.
You also don't benefit from telling people what they do and do benefit from do you? I get what you're saying but it's not so simple as me throwing my life away and sinking into a put of pointlessness because life has been pointless.
Keyboard benefit me by giving me experiences in my opinion.
Whatever though
9 out of 10 keyboard enthusiast agree that out of 10 people 1 person will always disagree with the other 9.
Perhaps... but people generally wouldn't like the decisions that a logical super computer would lead with, especially in these days of feelings-first. :p
Though I'm quite certain that a super computer would recommend Topre. :cool:
Hey guys, please stop feeding the troll.
Perhaps... but people generally wouldn't like the decisions that a logical super computer would lead with, especially in these days of feelings-first. :p
Though I'm quite certain that a super computer would recommend Topre. :cool:
You know, that's something a person in power might say..
But we've never had a robot president, so how do you know it wouldn't work..
I'd follow a AI leader, because I know that it is objective.
Cold objectivity is the basis for science, and it is only by following that very logical trend which continues our growth.
At every turn, Humans continue to undermine science by distorting it to pursue basic urges..
Most humans want to be rich , with no clear goal for the money they earn.
Then some actually get rich, some powerful, but proceed to direct their subject's efforts toward endeavors which benefit no one.
"Cold objectivity" sounds all good and well... but it will certainly go against human experiences (for better or for worse).
If President SuperComputer outright banned the Ergodox because it's inferior, you might well say that you still prefer it.
Of course, President SuperComputer would then know that you are a hindrance to progress and have you and all the Ergodoxes shipped out to sea. :p
You've got mcdonolds, why, it's delicious, why, pleasure of eating, why, to liveJunk food is addictive and by definition deficient in nutrition. If you eat only junk food, you may even refuse actual food rich in nutrition, because it's comparatively bland.
I honestly don't see the point of MX Browns.
I am sure some people see the value, I just don't.I honestly don't see the point of MX Browns.
Good middle ground? I like my Gateron Browns.
I think this is a relatively common complaint about cherry browns. You might try gats to at least be fair to the concept of browns. Ultimately though if you like clicky then you like clicky.I am sure some people see the value, I just don't.I honestly don't see the point of MX Browns.
Good middle ground? I like my Gateron Browns.
The way I type and the force I use - I feel nothing on Browns. I much prefer Blues or Greens.
I was so disappointed with the VA68M I got with Browns, but it was my own fault I could've had Greens in them but opted for Browns.
I still use it though, just so I don't feel the money's wasted.
A metal tray with a sandwich of components -- a circuit board, a flat mounting plate, and switches does not a keyboard make. Talk about under-engineering. Three words: variable key height.
A metal tray with a sandwich of components -- a circuit board, a flat mounting plate, and switches does not a keyboard make. Talk about under-engineering. Three words: variable key height.
99.9% of people do not benefit from mechanical keyboards.Seems a bit high. Fatigue of my hands/fingers is minimal for me since I switched over, I'd say that's beneficial.
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3) HATE artisan keycaps. Like, really really hate. There was a lucky cat one I wanted once, but the chance of it ever being put on one of my keyboards is about equal to the chance that I'd use a mousepad made out of fish tank gravel.
4) Hate full size keyboards - 60%s go perfect with my kensington slimblade at work, and TKLs work well enough with my small to travel sized mice at home. I like to have everything in as small a space as possible. I wouldn't mind the numpad if it was on the left, but I'd still never use it so what's the point.
I mean I own more guitars than I have time to play...
I've been using this board with an ISO enter for a few minutes and I actually really like it. There's no reason for the \| key to be larger than 1u.
I may consider switching when I build a board.
I've been using this board with an ISO enter for a few minutes and I actually really like it. There's no reason for the \| key to be larger than 1u.
I may consider switching when I build a board.
Wholeheartedly agree. Alternatively, when building a board yourself, consider using ANSI Enter with Backspace where \ | is right now, and splitting up the 2u key that was backspace into two 1u.
Very good layout unless you need \ very often.
Extending the pinkie that much sounds awful.
I move the whole hand though. When striking the HHKB Backspace or ISO/JIS Enter, I only move my elbow a bit, hence rotate the whole hand so that the pinkie lands on the correct key.
Basically the same thing as with Tab.
The design of most musical instruments sucks (and dealing with the aftermath is a common practice, example (http://rsi.unl.edu/music.html)).
"Using larger muscle groups" is exactly what I'm talking about.
Shooting yourself in the foot is pretty trivial compared to blowing your head off.
ISO is awful, I grew up on it and can't go back now.I wonder what you use now.
enter key further away from home row.It's literally on the home row. It also spreads one row above it, but it's on the home row.
Unusable left shiftIf you use [unmodified] ANSI, I wonder how you press Ctrl or Backspace… or right Shift for that matter.
I have found that ANSI, ISO and HHKB layouts are equally easy to use; but, they have minimal advantages and disadvantages that are so small to be significant.Thus, ErgoDox.
Perfect is the enemy of good.
Recognizing why something like ErgoDox is more suitable for touch typing [than the Sholes' keyboard] is a matter of Anatomy and Physiology 101.
hhkb layout is way overrated for work flow usage sincerely 980c owner
hhkb layout is way overrated for work flow usage sincerely 980c owner
If you use it in the way it was originally intended, for UNIX/Emacs usage, it's great. For something like data entry, of course a numpad is going to be more useful, but that's not the use-case the HHKB layout was intended to be used for.
hhkb layout is way overrated for work flow usage sincerely 980c owner
If you use it in the way it was originally intended, for UNIX/Emacs usage, it's great. For something like data entry, of course a numpad is going to be more useful, but that's not the use-case the HHKB layout was intended to be used for.
Is there any UNIX computer in use nowadays? and who uses Emacs only?
My one math professor used emacs to code live problems for us
He could type 150 WPM in code and he used an mx brown full size layout ansi
I've used pretty much all layouts except 40%, and they make little difference
Is there any UNIX computer in use nowadays?Yes, just like there's still running code in Cobol from decades ago.
and who uses Emacs only?I know a few people, at least one is using it even as a window manager.
Shooting yourself in the foot is pretty trivial compared to blowing your head off.
Kosmos are ugly. Fugus are ugly. Clacks are ugly.
hhkb layout is way overrated for work flow usage sincerely 980c owner
If you use it in the way it was originally intended, for UNIX/Emacs usage, it's great. For something like data entry, of course a numpad is going to be more useful, but that's not the use-case the HHKB layout was intended to be used for.
Is there any UNIX computer in use nowadays? and who uses Emacs only?
I began using Emacs back in 1981 when the keyboard standard of the day was to have the Ctrl key next to the A key. But then IBM moved it to the bottom row and I grudgingly adapted to that.
I spent a grand total of 4 years using keyboards with Ctrl where Caps Lock is now, and the last 32 years getting used to Ctrl on the bottom row. There is no earthly reason to switch back, regardless of which OS or text editor I am using. And I'd venture to say that 99.999% of keyboard users today have never experienced Ctrl next to A. You HHKB people make no sense. You're totally free to like/prefer the board, but your ergonomic arguments don't hold water.
You HHKB people make no sense. You're totally free to like/prefer the board, but your ergonomic arguments don't hold water.
You HHKB people make no sense. You're totally free to like/prefer the board, but your ergonomic arguments don't hold water.
I hate typing on Topre. It feels like the time I lubed my rubber dome board with WD-40.
I hate typing on Topre. It feels like the time I lubed my rubber dome board with WD-40.
...why did you lube a rubber dome with WD40?
Why not? :))I hate typing on Topre. It feels like the time I lubed my rubber dome board with WD-40.
...why did you lube a rubber dome with WD40?
I want to know the thought process behind this!
Why not? :))I hate typing on Topre. It feels like the time I lubed my rubber dome board with WD-40.
...why did you lube a rubber dome with WD40?
I want to know the thought process behind this!
It's all about the learning process fellas.
Why not? :))I hate typing on Topre. It feels like the time I lubed my rubber dome board with WD-40.
...why did you lube a rubber dome with WD40?
I want to know the thought process behind this!
It's all about the learning process fellas.
Next time going to try with WD40 silicone spray? :))
Why not? :))I hate typing on Topre. It feels like the time I lubed my rubber dome board with WD-40.
...why did you lube a rubber dome with WD40?
I want to know the thought process behind this!
It's all about the learning process fellas.
Next time going to try with WD40 silicone spray? :))
Use MEDICAL GRADE silicone spray, not WD40.
- Sauce -
http://vintagescuba.proboards.com/thread/2432/rubber-maintenance (http://vintagescuba.proboards.com/thread/2432/rubber-maintenance)
- Not Scuba Stuff -
http://www.mightyram50.net/vbulletin/showthread.php/2642-How-to-Soften-Old-Hard-Rubber (http://www.mightyram50.net/vbulletin/showthread.php/2642-How-to-Soften-Old-Hard-Rubber)
- Technical Reads -
http://www.bouncing-balls.com/chemistry_tech_conservation/conserve.htm (http://www.bouncing-balls.com/chemistry_tech_conservation/conserve.htm)
Why not? :))I hate typing on Topre. It feels like the time I lubed my rubber dome board with WD-40.
...why did you lube a rubber dome with WD40?
I want to know the thought process behind this!
It's all about the learning process fellas.
Next time going to try with WD40 silicone spray? :))
Use MEDICAL GRADE silicone spray, not WD40.
- Sauce -
http://vintagescuba.proboards.com/thread/2432/rubber-maintenance (http://vintagescuba.proboards.com/thread/2432/rubber-maintenance)
- Not Scuba Stuff -
http://www.mightyram50.net/vbulletin/showthread.php/2642-How-to-Soften-Old-Hard-Rubber (http://www.mightyram50.net/vbulletin/showthread.php/2642-How-to-Soften-Old-Hard-Rubber)
- Technical Reads -
http://www.bouncing-balls.com/chemistry_tech_conservation/conserve.htm (http://www.bouncing-balls.com/chemistry_tech_conservation/conserve.htm)
I wouldn't be using it at all, just taking the piss :p
...why did you lube a rubber dome with WD40?
I want to know the thought process behind this!
Why not? :))
It's all about the learning process fellas.
Next time going to try with WD40 silicone spray? :))
I wouldn't be using it at all, just taking the piss :p
...why did you lube a rubber dome with WD40?I want to know the thought process behind this!
This was a couple of years ago, twelve-year-old me thought it would be a cool way to make my keyboard more linear on the cheap.Why not? :))
It's all about the learning process fellas.
Yup, exactly this. If I hadn't done some of the crazy crap I've done in my previous years, I wouldn't have my sweet board today :)Next time going to try with WD40 silicone spray? :))
Was thinking about that for MX switches. Might buy a can and see how it goes :)I wouldn't be using it at all, just taking the piss :p
Oh :V
I began using Emacs back in 1981 when the keyboard standard of the day was to have the Ctrl key next to the A key. But then IBM moved it to the bottom row and I grudgingly adapted to that.
I spent a grand total of 4 years using keyboards with Ctrl where Caps Lock is now, and the last 32 years getting used to Ctrl on the bottom row. There is no earthly reason to switch back, regardless of which OS or text editor I am using. And I'd venture to say that 99.999% of keyboard users today have never experienced Ctrl next to A. You HHKB people make no sense. You're totally free to like/prefer the board, but your ergonomic arguments don't hold water.
It's not that big of a deal to switch a key to most people and Ctrl next to A greatly reduces pinky stretching.
If you think that it would be to difficult for you to change okay, but saying that the argument is nil because of that makes no sense.
3) I think most artisan caps look like **** but no one wants to be honest and tell the makers to continue improving their designs/processes. People want exclusive **** and are willing to kiss ass to get it.
some hardcore truth right there
Well, people might feel that something is more ergonomic for them, and that's cool, but as long as no representative study has been done, you can't really argue either way, it's merely a matter of opinion. Even feeling that it makes no difference is just subjective.
Well, people might feel that something is more ergonomic for them, and that's cool, but as long as no representative study has been done, you can't really argue either way, it's merely a matter of opinion. Even feeling that it makes no difference is just subjective.
We don't need a study to tell us what the most common keyboard layouts in the Western world are. They are QWERTY-based ANSI/ISO with the Ctrl key on the bottom row. Everyone's muscle memory is attuned to this layout. It is the standard and it is what nearly everyone who uses a keyboard is accustomed to. That's not a matter of opinion.
Health issues aside, ergonomics are irrelevant when muscle memory has already made a particular muscular action innate, almost subconscious. For anyone who uses the Ctrl key a lot, its position on the bottom row has long since ceased to be awkward, probably around the same time typing in general ceased to be awkward. For anyone who doesn't use the Ctrl key much, or for whom typing is always awkward, I submit that there is no position for the Ctrl key that is going to make any appreciable difference.
"When a movement is repeated over time, a long-term muscle memory is created for that task, eventually allowing it to be performed without conscious effort. This process decreases the need for attention and creates maximum efficiency within the motor and memory systems." -- Wikipedia
Are you talking about something which was once muscle memory, but has become uncomfortable over time? Or are you referring to a motor activity that was so uncomfortable from the start that it was never repeated enough times to become so? In the case of the former, I would definitely recommend learning a new method that doesn't risk causing harm to oneself (the discomfort may be a sign of more serious health issues). In the case of the latter, I would similarly recommend an alternate muscular action that avoids the discomfort.
However, in my case (and the case for what I suspect is 99.999% of keyboard users out there), things like Ctrl on the bottom row present no noticeable discomfort at all, and so having muscle memory tied to it isn't a problem. Moreover, thanks to muscle memory, that layout is yielding the benefits of "maximum efficiency within the motor and memory systems." Changing to something else would be patently counter-productive, and recommending that folks do so would be doing them a disservice.
"When a movement is repeated over time, a long-term muscle memory is created for that task, eventually allowing it to be performed without conscious effort. This process decreases the need for attention and creates maximum efficiency within the motor and memory systems." -- Wikipedia
Are you talking about something which was once muscle memory, but has become uncomfortable over time? Or are you referring to a motor activity that was so uncomfortable from the start that it was never repeated enough times to become so? In the case of the former, I would definitely recommend learning a new method that doesn't risk causing harm to oneself (the discomfort may be a sign of more serious health issues). In the case of the latter, I would similarly recommend an alternate muscular action that avoids the discomfort.
However, in my case (and the case for what I suspect is 99.999% of keyboard users out there), things like Ctrl on the bottom row present no noticeable discomfort at all, and so having muscle memory tied to it isn't a problem. Moreover, thanks to muscle memory, that layout is yielding the benefits of "maximum efficiency within the motor and memory systems." Changing to something else would be patently counter-productive, and recommending that folks do so would be doing them a disservice.
maximum motor/memory efficiency =/= comfort
If i was used to throwing my board in the air to register a certain press, that doesn't mean there's no benefit to me learning to do that a different way.
My memory and motor systems were used to qwerty, but I found it uncomfortable and have changed keyboard layouts twice since then, which was worth the effort.
99% of people only use control very sparingly as well, so it could be anywhere on a keyboard and they wouldn't be bothered, doesn't mean that's the right spot for it.
"When a movement is repeated over time, a long-term muscle memory is created for that task, eventually allowing it to be performed without conscious effort. This process decreases the need for attention and creates maximum efficiency within the motor and memory systems." -- Wikipedia
Are you talking about something which was once muscle memory, but has become uncomfortable over time? Or are you referring to a motor activity that was so uncomfortable from the start that it was never repeated enough times to become so? In the case of the former, I would definitely recommend learning a new method that doesn't risk causing harm to oneself (the discomfort may be a sign of more serious health issues). In the case of the latter, I would similarly recommend an alternate muscular action that avoids the discomfort.
However, in my case (and the case for what I suspect is 99.999% of keyboard users out there), things like Ctrl on the bottom row present no noticeable discomfort at all, and so having muscle memory tied to it isn't a problem. Moreover, thanks to muscle memory, that layout is yielding the benefits of "maximum efficiency within the motor and memory systems." Changing to something else would be patently counter-productive, and recommending that folks do so would be doing them a disservice.
maximum motor/memory efficiency =/= comfort
If i was used to throwing my board in the air to register a certain press, that doesn't mean there's no benefit to me learning to do that a different way.
My memory and motor systems were used to qwerty, but I found it uncomfortable and have changed keyboard layouts twice since then, which was worth the effort.
99% of people only use control very sparingly as well, so it could be anywhere on a keyboard and they wouldn't be bothered, doesn't mean that's the right spot for it.
I use Ctrl a bit more heavily than most. I'm a UNIX admin so get the typical Ctrl-C/Z usage, use emacs at the CLI, make heavy use of the keyboard shortcuts in Windows apps (lots of Ctrl use there), and play FPS where Ctrl use for crouch is pretty common. There are those that use it more than me but I do use it a fair amount.
I prefer it in the corner. It's more comfortable for me with certain Ctrl combinations such as row 4 left-hand keys.
hhkb layout is way overrated for work flow usage sincerely 980c ownerHIGH-FIVE. :D
Beige is not a color. Beige is an ugly color. No one, except computer makers use beige, unless they just want to mess with us. Shame about all that beige.
Beige is not a color. Beige is an ugly color. No one, except computer makers use beige, unless they just want to mess with us. Shame about all that beige.
Beige is not a color. Beige is an ugly color. No one, except computer makers use beige, unless they just want to mess with us. Shame about all that beige.
Beige is very nice on leather textures.
It's a good alternative to white, because titanium white pops too much and make a person look needy.
Beige is not a color. Beige is an ugly color. No one, except computer makers use beige, unless they just want to mess with us. Shame about all that beige.
Beige is very nice on leather textures.
It's a good alternative to white, because titanium white pops too much and make a person look needy.
Fine. Beige is okay in Country Western clothing. :|
Beige is not a color. Beige is an ugly color. No one, except computer makers use beige, unless they just want to mess with us. Shame about all that beige.
However, in my case (and the case for what I suspect is 99.999% of keyboard users out there), things like Ctrl on the bottom row present no noticeable discomfort at all, and so having muscle memory tied to it isn't a problem. Moreover, thanks to muscle memory, that layout is yielding the benefits of "maximum efficiency within the motor and memory systems." Changing to something else would be patently counter-productive, and recommending that folks do so would be doing them a disservice.
Well, people might feel that something is more ergonomic for them, and that's cool, but as long as no representative study has been done, you can't really argue either way, it's merely a matter of opinion. Even feeling that it makes no difference is just subjective.
We don't need a study to tell us what the most common keyboard layouts in the Western world are. They are QWERTY-based ANSI/ISO with the Ctrl key on the bottom row. Everyone's muscle memory is attuned to this layout. It is the standard and it is what nearly everyone who uses a keyboard is accustomed to. That's not a matter of opinion.
Health issues aside, ergonomics are irrelevant when muscle memory has already made a particular muscular action innate, almost subconscious. For anyone who uses the Ctrl key a lot, its position on the bottom row has long since ceased to be awkward, probably around the same time typing in general ceased to be awkward. For anyone who doesn't use the Ctrl key much, or for whom typing is always awkward, I submit that there is no position for the Ctrl key that is going to make any appreciable difference.
Beige, gray, bleugh. Just a daily reminder that everything about modern keyboards is archaic typewriter bull**** that should've been replaced decades ago :p
"When a movement is repeated over time, a long-term muscle memory is created for that task, eventually allowing it to be performed without conscious effort. This process decreases the need for attention and creates maximum efficiency within the motor and memory systems." -- Wikipedia
Are you talking about something which was once muscle memory, but has become uncomfortable over time? Or are you referring to a motor activity that was so uncomfortable from the start that it was never repeated enough times to become so? In the case of the former, I would definitely recommend learning a new method that doesn't risk causing harm to oneself (the discomfort may be a sign of more serious health issues). In the case of the latter, I would similarly recommend an alternate muscular action that avoids the discomfort.
However, in my case (and the case for what I suspect is 99.999% of keyboard users out there), things like Ctrl on the bottom row present no noticeable discomfort at all, and so having muscle memory tied to it isn't a problem. Moreover, thanks to muscle memory, that layout is yielding the benefits of "maximum efficiency within the motor and memory systems." Changing to something else would be patently counter-productive, and recommending that folks do so would be doing them a disservice.
maximum motor/memory efficiency =/= comfort
If i was used to throwing my board in the air to register a certain press, that doesn't mean there's no benefit to me learning to do that a different way.
My memory and motor systems were used to qwerty, but I found it uncomfortable and have changed keyboard layouts twice since then, which was worth the effort.
99% of people only use control very sparingly as well, so it could be anywhere on a keyboard and they wouldn't be bothered, doesn't mean that's the right spot for it.
I use Ctrl a bit more heavily than most. I'm a UNIX admin so get the typical Ctrl-C/Z usage, use emacs at the CLI, make heavy use of the keyboard shortcuts in Windows apps (lots of Ctrl use there), and play FPS where Ctrl use for crouch is pretty common. There are those that use it more than me but I do use it a fair amount.
I prefer it in the corner. It's more comfortable for me with certain Ctrl combinations such as row 4 left-hand keys.
I use it probably even more than you, all of my window manager's actions are prefixed by C-t, emacs user as well. The standard shortcuts (C-c/v/x/z) don't bother me because I don't use them, and even if i did they're mostly accessed by my right hand (dvorak). I don't like it in the corner because of how I have to contort my hand instead of moving my left pinky over a little bit. I've had it bound to Caps since before i even owned a mech, so it's not like i use that position just because of an HHKB.
Like I said before though, i'm less concerned about people wanting to have a control in the corner of the board than i am about people leaving caps lock in it's standard spot. It's a waste.
Beige is the color of my childhood computing experience :<I built and painted the case for my Phantom beige, in the style of mimicking the Apple Extended Keyboard. I took it apart and cleaned it this morning.
What's making me really laugh hard is that sometimes I hear europeans talking about the advantages of alternative layouts, when those layouts have been optimized with english in mind... Maybe there is one that has been optimized for french, probably Bépo.
...Design a language that is most comfortable to type with QWERTY :D
Beige is the color of my childhood computing experience :<I built and painted the case for my Phantom beige, in the style of mimicking the Apple Extended Keyboard. I took it apart and cleaned it this morning.
I intend to go buy paint later today to repaint it, but I might select another hue of beige.
I am also considering beige-modding my newly acquired Wooting One with a top shell made from a Cherry G80 keyboard because I am not a fan of floating keys.
Beige is not a color. Beige is an ugly color. No one, except computer makers use beige, unless they just want to mess with us. Shame about all that beige.
Beige, at this point, would honestly be a refreshing break from the X-on-white caps. Though even then, I'm still not big on the color and was happy to escape the era of beige computing. Pity, too, as computers were pretty colorful for a time. Just check out some of the old DEC PDP or Data General S series stuff.
Beige, at this point, would honestly be a refreshing break from the X-on-white caps. Though even then, I'm still not big on the color and was happy to escape the era of beige computing. Pity, too, as computers were pretty colorful for a time. Just check out some of the old DEC PDP or Data General S series stuff.
Thanks for the information. Those are some beautiful objects. I'd love to get my hands on IBM's thoughts on computer design. It's so austere, very basic, designed (of course) but very restrained.
IBM was as conservative a company as you could find in the 20th century. Their design aesthetic ranged from "industrial" to "corporate", which loosely translates into 100% functionality and 0% style. Their products were, by and large, wonderfully engineered but tediously bland to look at.
When they decided to enter the desktop market in 1981, they wanted above all else for the 5150 to be taken seriously by serious business entities. They knew that anything with flashy colors would be viewed with suspicion and disdain by corporate customers, and so they figured that the blander they could make things, the more offices would buy them. They were probably right.
Moreover, faced with ever-increasing marketplace pressures to lower costs, IBM's engineering excellence was compromised (e.g., buckling spring switches instead of beam spring switches, cheap dyesub cylindrical keycaps instead of beautiful double-shot spherical keycaps, etc.), leaving no reason to actually like their products. By 1983 nobody bought IBM because their keyboards were a joy to look at or use, but because they were part of the "IBM compatibility at all costs" mentality that took hold in the '80s.
The fact that anyone today likes or celebrates the IBM desktop aesthetic from the '80s is just plain bizarre. It's an aesthetic only another machine could love.
IBM was as conservative a company as you could find in the 20th century. Their design aesthetic ranged from "industrial" to "corporate", which loosely translates into 100% functionality and 0% style. Their products were, by and large, wonderfully engineered but tediously bland to look at.
When they decided to enter the desktop market in 1981, they wanted above all else for the 5150 to be taken seriously by serious business entities. They knew that anything with flashy colors would be viewed with suspicion and disdain by corporate customers, and so they figured that the blander they could make things, the more offices would buy them. They were probably right.
Moreover, faced with ever-increasing marketplace pressures to lower costs, IBM's engineering excellence was compromised (e.g., buckling spring switches instead of beam spring switches, cheap dyesub cylindrical keycaps instead of beautiful double-shot spherical keycaps, etc.), leaving no reason to actually like their products. By 1983 nobody bought IBM because their keyboards were a joy to look at or use, but because they were part of the "IBM compatibility at all costs" mentality that took hold in the '80s.
The fact that anyone today likes or celebrates the IBM desktop aesthetic from the '80s is just plain bizarre. It's an aesthetic only another machine could love.
You're blending too much personal opinion into the state of history which concretely happened.
When computers costs were very high, their Function was paramount, no business owners cared what these things looked like. Does it improve productivity, does it reduce cost.
It's only a RECENT past 20 year phenomenon that low income americans could get a computer..
We went from having clothes AT ALL, to wearing them for fun ..
Beige served a very different purpose, and their form is emblematic of a time when Utility prevailed over superficiality.
That is the root of the Beige Box celebration..
The Apple Extended Keyboard was never beige, it was light grey, but leave them out in the sun for a lot of years and they'll definitely start to look beige. I think Apple's products from that period still look pretty modern today, precisely because they're not beige.Beige is the color of my childhood computing experience :<I built and painted the case for my Phantom beige, in the style of mimicking the Apple Extended Keyboard. I took it apart and cleaned it this morning.
I intend to go buy paint later today to repaint it, but I might select another hue of beige.
I am also considering beige-modding my newly acquired Wooting One with a top shell made from a Cherry G80 keyboard because I am not a fan of floating keys.
When computers costs were very high, their Function was paramount, no business owners cared what these things looked like.
The Apple Extended Keyboard was never beige, it was light grey, but leave them out in the sun for a lot of years and they'll definitely start to look beige.I know. It is not a straight replica, more like "inspired by" in its curving shape. The paint I had been using was actually more matched to the darker grey of Cherry's grey modifier keycaps. What I really wanted to match was the original beige colour of the plastic of the BTC case I built it from - it being somewhere in-between the cream white alphas and grey mods.
Yeah, what people around here call "biege" is really just warm gray. Everything I see (in these forums) strongly suggests that most people have very little quality color sense, which even extends to the words they use to label colors.
Yeah, what people around here call "biege" is really just warm gray. Everything I see (in these forums) strongly suggests that most people have very little quality color sense, which even extends to the words they use to label colors.
Beige. I know it when I see it.
Beige tints:
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Whether or not one likes beige is, of course, a slightly separate matter. But at the very least one ought to understand what beige is (and is not) before passing judgment on it. Model M keyboards (and their clones) are not beige. The HHKB is not beige. The keycap sets for those boards are not beige or "dual beige" or "classic beige" or beige anything. They are all variations of gray.
Pretty much all SA/GMK sets especially lately are freaking ugly.
Pretty much all SA/GMK sets especially lately are freaking ugly.
MX browns are great
Infilled POM is so freaking cheap, blank POM isn't worth it to me
Pretty much all SA/GMK sets especially lately are freaking ugly.
I like MX blues (especially with DSA caps). They might be my favorite switch :eek:I was more a fan of blues than I expected to be.
I like MX blues (especially with DSA caps). They might be my favorite switch :eek:I was more a fan of blues than I expected to be.
I haven't tried them with DSA caps, I do have a DSA set though, so I guess it's worth a shot. :D
Only tried DSA on MX Clears so far, not really a fan. It was alright, just not spectacular.
Pretty much all SA/GMK sets especially lately are freaking ugly.
MX browns are great
Pretty much all SA/GMK sets especially lately are freaking ugly.
Bring on the brightly colored, unicorn vomit sets.
Pretty much all SA/GMK sets especially lately are freaking ugly.
Bring on the brightly colored, unicorn vomit sets.
Yeah, a lot of folks seem to think that colored legends look good. Most of the time, they look simply atrocious.
I don't get the appeal of Calm Depths. It marries light blue legends with medium gray caps (for the mods), offering very little contrast. It just doesn't look good to my eyes.
4. ABS keycaps should not exist, no matter how thick
7. Hotswap should be a standard in keyboards and PCBs
1. Anything but a fullsize is useless
2. Any MX style clicky switch other than Kailh Bronze or Box White is awful
3. Anything less tactile than a Zealio should not be considered a tactile switch
4. ABS keycaps should not exist, no matter how thick
5. Translucent switch housings are ugly, backlighting LED's similar to Razer's RGB are superior to SMD
6. Floating keycap design is hideous
7. Hotswap should be a standard in keyboards and PCBs
8. Pad printing should be punishable by death
9. ISO layout is the superior layout
10. I like (some) chiclet rubber dome keyboards
#4: I have a preference for ABS because I like super smooth caps to where it is like typing on glass. Unfortunately not all ABS is this smooth.And not all PBT caps have a rough texture. They could be made with the same kind of top surface as there's on their walls: even smooth to the point of being glossy.
9. Alas, ISO isn't a single standard, but a family of standards that almost guarantees limited representation in custom keycap sets; a layout tower of babel, if you will.ISO/IEC 9995-1 is as standard as it gets.
ISO/IEC 9995-1 is as standard as it gets.
Pretty much all SA/GMK sets especially lately are freaking ugly.
Bring on the brightly colored, unicorn vomit sets.
Yeah, a lot of folks seem to think that colored legends look good. Most of the time, they look simply atrocious.
Lots of people seem to like it so those set creators are doing something right.
Lots of people seem to like it so those set creators are doing something right.
Argumentum ad populum. I could facetiously counter-argue that lots of people seem to like cigarettes, so Big Tobacco must be doing something "right". Marketplace success does not always equal Doing Something Good.
Metal cases are just an easy way to earn some money. We all fall for this myth of the metal CNC cases, when the last thing that you want for nine months in a year is to touch a cold surface which reverberates the sound of your keyboard enhancing the ping.
Metal cases are just an easy way to earn some money. We all fall for this myth of the metal CNC cases, when the last thing that you want for nine months in a year is to touch a cold surface which reverberates the sound of your keyboard enhancing the ping.
everyone using keyboards in a professional way won't be happy without tenkey.
"a professional way" = "excel monkey"
Metal cases are just an easy way to earn some money. We all fall for this myth of the metal CNC cases, when the last thing that you want for nine months in a year is to touch a cold surface which reverberates the sound of your keyboard enhancing the ping.
I've never noticed coldness or reverberations from the aluminum cases that my Pok3rs have. But maybe it's different with real keyboards (not toy keyboards like 60%ers) with full cases. I'd love to try a full-size board in an aluminum case just to see if your claim stands up to actual experience. But those are so rare, I'm not sure I'll ever get the chance...
Also, notice how the person in that photo has elbows in front of their body (wrong) and still bent wrists: slightly upwards in inwards (wrong).
In the past I was suffering with some TMS issue.
- I have changed my layout → Less pain but still pain ;
- I have swiched for a TypeMatrix → Less pain but still pain ;
- I have tested a small Grifitti wrist pad → Less pain but still pain ;
- I have a big fat ass Grifitti wrist pad → Almost no pain.
The Wrist pad is under my hands, my elbows (and I often sit on them), my wrists. He provide me a very natural position on the keyboard...
I hate that 90% of the photos on r/mk are of HHKBs. They are ugly.
I hate that 90% of the photos on r/mk are of HHKBs. They are ugly.
It's not just /r/mk. The "Post your Topre" thread here is the same. It's as if people actually think we've never seen an HHKB before. (And, no, throwing a random assortment of artisans on it does not make it more "special", just uglier.)
Seems like my unpopular opinion is that DSA profile is great, and SA is too high. Oh, and also, topre is too heavy.
SA is too high.
Yeah, curved backplates would be an interesting thing to bring back. Or angled stems. But since nobody is going to do either of those things, we're stuck with angled row profiles.
IMO the HHKB bottom-row layout is positively stupid. You're on a 60% with reduced usable space already, and for some reason you decide to block out positions for some of the keys???
Interesting. Didn't know that. I thought the HHKB was a relatively modern keyboard :-X
Interesting. Didn't know that. I thought the HHKB was a relatively modern keyboard :-X
It is "modern" in that it's still produced and popular, but it does have a pretty lengthy history (https://deskthority.net/wiki/Happy_Hacking_Keyboard) for a production board.
In addition to davkol's points, I'd add that from an ergonomic/usability perspective, keys in the bottom corners of a 60% board are often hard to hit and require some contorting/re-positioning of the hand. I don't really feel like I lose any functionality with an HHKB, I'm just not hurting myself to reach ctrl anymore. :P
Interesting. Didn't know that. I thought the HHKB was a relatively modern keyboard :-X
It is "modern" in that it's still produced and popular, but it does have a pretty lengthy history (https://deskthority.net/wiki/Happy_Hacking_Keyboard) for a production board.
In addition to davkol's points, I'd add that from an ergonomic/usability perspective, keys in the bottom corners of a 60% board are often hard to hit and require some contorting/re-positioning of the hand. I don't really feel like I lose any functionality with an HHKB, I'm just not hurting myself to reach ctrl anymore. :P
Interesting. Didn't know that. I thought the HHKB was a relatively modern keyboard :-X
Interesting. Didn't know that. I thought the HHKB was a relatively modern keyboard :-X
it is a fork of the old Unix Sun 5 keyboard's main typing area.Show Image(https://i.imgur.com/RzurxiU.jpg)
Interesting. Didn't know that. I thought the HHKB was a relatively modern keyboard :-X
it is a fork of the old Unix Sun 5 keyboard's main typing area.Show Image(https://i.imgur.com/RzurxiU.jpg)
Though I say that, I'm starting to fantasise how it feels on linears... And the nice pictures aren't helping :-(SA is too high.
I definitely agree with this one. I love how SA sets look, but I've sold all of mine because I just don't like the way they feel. I sometimes get the sense that the SA hype started from pictures and most people haven't tried them yet to really know how they feel.
I disagree with your other two comments though. :P
Interesting. Didn't know that. I thought the HHKB was a relatively modern keyboard :-X
it is a fork of the old Unix Sun 5 keyboard's main typing area.Show Image(https://i.imgur.com/RzurxiU.jpg)
Sun Type 3 (http://kbd.rzw.jp/membrane/sun_type3/), actually.Show Image(http://kbd.rzw.jp/wp-content/uploads/2013/10/Sun_Type3_01-300x129.jpg)
Random crap written above the arrow keys kills all the aesthetics of a custom.
Just joined so Hello. I hate Corsair keyboards. Bitten twice now have a pok3r.
Interesting. Didn't know that. I thought the HHKB was a relatively modern keyboard :-X
it is a fork of the old Unix Sun 5 keyboard's main typing area.Show Image(https://i.imgur.com/RzurxiU.jpg)
Sun Type 3 (http://kbd.rzw.jp/membrane/sun_type3/), actually.Show Image(http://kbd.rzw.jp/wp-content/uploads/2013/10/Sun_Type3_01-300x129.jpg)
Uh! This one is even closer to the HHKB layout.Considering the evidence, all that buzz on Wada's involvement seems just like a legend.
My distaste for the Sun layout has lasted longer than Sun Microsystems given Oracle's recent gutting. Pity what happened. Still not going to use Oracle Linux though. Hell with that. I'll gladly stick with RHEL.
My distaste for the Sun layout has lasted longer than Sun Microsystems given Oracle's recent gutting. Pity what happened. Still not going to use Oracle Linux though. Hell with that. I'll gladly stick with RHEL.
I agree with you on that, but i'll like to not pay for mine. CentOS please!
My distaste for the Sun layout has lasted longer than Sun Microsystems given Oracle's recent gutting. Pity what happened. Still not going to use Oracle Linux though. Hell with that. I'll gladly stick with RHEL.
I agree with you on that, but i'll like to not pay for mine. CentOS please!
I don't pay for mine either. Work pays for it. I just support it.
oh, im running centos at work too.
open source culture here...
At home, sure, it's CentOS for server VMs and Fedora for desktop VMs these days.
oh, im running centos at work too.My distaste for the Sun layout has lasted longer than Sun Microsystems given Oracle's recent gutting. Pity what happened. Still not going to use Oracle Linux though. Hell with that. I'll gladly stick with RHEL.
I agree with you on that, but i'll like to not pay for mine. CentOS please!
I don't pay for mine either. Work pays for it. I just support it.
At home, sure, it's CentOS for server VMs and Fedora for desktop VMs these days.
open source culture here...
Genuine Authentic Cherry MX switches are the bomb, and cheap ass Chinese clones like Gateron and Outemu and Kailh are for losers.
These are my cranky opinions, and I reckon this thread is the place for them.
Cheap-ass gaming keyboards: Youtube is flooded with videos trying to sell the latest “cheap mechanical keyboard” to gamers. They’re all pretty much alike; it’s all about creaky plastic and dazzling RGB lights and a race to the bottom on price, and each one is amazing and you gotta buy it (according to the reviewer). They make me sick. OK, I know I was never the intended audience for those products and videos, but still I get sick and tired of seeing them.
Genuine Authentic Cherry MX switches: A lot of keyboard manufacturers and, apparently, keyboard shoppers (those cash-strapped gamers?) seem to think Genuine Authentic Cherry MX switches are the bomb, and cheap ass Chinese clones like Gateron and Outemu and Kailh are for losers. I just saw a reviewer on YouTube griping about a cheap keyboard that came with Kailh switches instead The Real Thing. Gaaaah!
Artisans: Especially the big, lumpy, bizarre looking artisans… I do not get them. I mean, I guess there must be some reason for them to exist. I see a lot of them around. But I haven’t figured it out. From where I sit they just make a keyboard ugly and more difficult to use.
Arrow keys: It seems like there’s an ongoing trend to ruin compact layouts, especially 60%, by cramming and scrunching in arrow keys to the bottom right. The result is always awkward and unpleasant; the bottom row modifiers are compromised, and sometimes the right shift key as well. I do understand the conundrum, though. 60% is so small and cool and elegant, but losing the arrow keys is a pain point for a lot of folks. I am working on a solution to this, but it'll be at least a couple of months before I can show off the prototype. ;)
Winkeyless boards: With no place for the Command keys or the Fn keys. How can you even use something like that?
Base weights: Elaborately machined piece of steel or brass slots into the bottom of the case, running up the cost and weakening the structure. They do look sort of cool, if you spend a lot of time looking at the bottom of your keyboard.
Split spacebars: It seems obvious to me that every keyboard should have a split spacebar. I've wanted that for many years, and I could never understand why keyboard manufacturers don't make them. (I've heard a rumor that patents and trademarks were involved.) Give us the split spacebars already, dammit!
Artisans: Especially the big, lumpy, bizarre looking artisans… I do not get them.
…seem to think Genuine Authentic Cherry MX switches are the bomb, and cheap ass Chinese clones like Gateron and Outemu and Kailh are for losers.
Not unpopular in this community, I believe almost everyone here thinks like that.
KLE link, please? Sure, arrows on IJKL or WASD or ESDF or vim arrows on HJKL work, but there is certainly an advantage to not having to press two keys for navigating. An additional advantage about dedicated arrows is using Fn+Arrow for PgUp, PgDn, Home and End.
Quite a few people don't use right shift either, especially those that learned playing FPS on keyboards before proper typing.
Absolutely. Though keycap sizes are a problem here, and profile as well. The typical convex spacebar profile is not commonly found for 2.75 or 2.25 keycaps.
Yo, **** RGB.
Yo, **** RGB.
Very unpopular opinion here, someone stop this madman!
QuoteKLE link, please? Sure, arrows on IJKL or WASD or ESDF or vim arrows on HJKL work, but there is certainly an advantage to not having to press two keys for navigating. An additional advantage about dedicated arrows is using Fn+Arrow for PgUp, PgDn, Home and End.
I sense a contradiction here?
However, you are right in noting that it's a tough problem. I'm not sure I want to show off my solution now and subject it to the Internet Peanut Gallery when nobody (including myself) has had a chance to actually test and use it. Maybe it'll live up to my hopes, or maybe not. I'm gonna build it just as soon as I get the components in hand. I'll get back to you.
QuoteAbsolutely. Though keycap sizes are a problem here, and profile as well. The typical convex spacebar profile is not commonly found for 2.75 or 2.25 keycaps.
They do exist. And if they prove too hard to source, they can be made. 3D printing has come a long way.
Arrow keys: It seems like there’s an ongoing trend to ruin compact layouts, especially 60%, by cramming and scrunching in arrow keys to the bottom right. The result is always awkward and unpleasant; the bottom row modifiers are compromised, and sometimes the right shift key as well. I do understand the conundrum, though. 60% is so small and cool and elegant, but losing the arrow keys is a pain point for a lot of folks. I am working on a solution to this, but it'll be at least a couple of months before I can show off the prototype. ;)
Winkeyless boards: With no place for the Command keys or the Fn keys. How can you even use something like that?
...I think when the 60% boards started catching on, people jumped in only to realize later that they make a lot more use of their arrow keys than they originally thought.
Seems to at least partly be gamers that have a tendency to hit the Win key frequently or those that for some reason don't like the aesthetic and are willing to sacrifice added functionality for aesthetic. Fortunately these groups are mostly harmless, finding their niche builds and old keyboards that suit their needs.
Genuine Authentic Cherry MX switches: A lot of keyboard manufacturers and, apparently, keyboard shoppers (those cash-strapped gamers?) seem to think Genuine Authentic Cherry MX switches are the bomb, and cheap ass Chinese clones like Gateron and Outemu and Kailh are for losers. I just saw a reviewer on YouTube griping about a cheap keyboard that came with Kailh switches instead The Real Thing. Gaaaah!
Winkeyless boards: With no place for the Command keys or the Fn keys. How can you even use something like that?
Base weights: Elaborately machined piece of steel or brass slots into the bottom of the case, running up the cost and weakening the structure. They do look sort of cool, if you spend a lot of time looking at the bottom of your keyboard.
Base weights: Elaborately machined piece of steel or brass slots into the bottom of the case, running up the cost and weakening the structure. They do look sort of cool, if you spend a lot of time looking at the bottom of your keyboard.
Arrow keys: It seems like there’s an ongoing trend to ruin compact layouts, especially 60%, by cramming and scrunching in arrow keys to the bottom right. The result is always awkward and unpleasant; the bottom row modifiers are compromised, and sometimes the right shift key as well. I do understand the conundrum, though. 60% is so small and cool and elegant, but losing the arrow keys is a pain point for a lot of folks. I am working on a solution to this, but it'll be at least a couple of months before I can show off the prototype. ;)
Split spacebars: It seems obvious to me that every keyboard should have a split spacebar. I've wanted that for many years, and I could never understand why keyboard manufacturers don't make them. (I've heard a rumor that patents and trademarks were involved.) Give us the split spacebars already, dammit!
Seems to at least partly be gamers that have a tendency to hit the Win key frequently or those that for some reason don't like the aesthetic and are willing to sacrifice added functionality for aesthetic. Fortunately these groups are mostly harmless, finding their niche builds and old keyboards that suit their needs.
I've been using primarily Macs here for a long time, so to me a proper bottom row is:[control] [option] [command] [space] [command] [option] [control]
You may notice that the space bar is the only one of those that does anything when pressed by itself. The rest are purely modifiers. The idea of having something down there that will kick me out of the program I'm in just seems completely crazy.
I use Second Life a lot, with the Firestorm viewer running full-screen. The camera viewpoint is controlled with the mouse and Option and Control. If I'm running on Windows (and the Win key is where Option should be) then as soon as I reach for those familiar keys, BAM! I was just kicked back to the Windows desktop. It's infuriating. Which is why I now have a vintage IBM XT keyboard on my gaming rig, and the Win key is mapped to Scroll Lock where I'll never hit it by accident. (I also remapped Control to F10, so now Control and Alt/Option are roughly where they would be on a Mac, and it's all good.)
I do love me a fully programmable keyboard.
I don't like backlighting, no thanks.
I don't like backlighting, no thanks.
I don't like backlighting, no thanks.
It's fun to have for pictures but 99% of the time my backlight is off
While i agree on the position argument, you do realize that the Win key is indeed a modifier, do you?
First of all, in Desktop mode its a lot like Mac's Spotlight and Launchpad in one.
Tons of Functions are accessed with it. From opening apps from the taskbar to window managment. When you want to mainly use the keyboard in Windows, it will be used more than Alt or shift.
Caps Lock is a much better spot for it.
Seems to at least partly be gamers that have a tendency to hit the Win key frequently or those that for some reason don't like the aesthetic and are willing to sacrifice added functionality for aesthetic. Fortunately these groups are mostly harmless, finding their niche builds and old keyboards that suit their needs.
I've been using primarily Macs here for a long time, so to me a proper bottom row is:[control] [option] [command] [space] [command] [option] [control]
You may notice that the space bar is the only one of those that does anything when pressed by itself. The rest are purely modifiers. The idea of having something down there that will kick me out of the program I'm in just seems completely crazy.
I use Second Life a lot, with the Firestorm viewer running full-screen. The camera viewpoint is controlled with the mouse and Option and Control. If I'm running on Windows (and the Win key is where Option should be) then as soon as I reach for those familiar keys, BAM! I was just kicked back to the Windows desktop. It's infuriating. Which is why I now have a vintage IBM XT keyboard on my gaming rig, and the Win key is mapped to Scroll Lock where I'll never hit it by accident. (I also remapped Control to F10, so now Control and Alt/Option are roughly where they would be on a Mac, and it's all good.)
I do love me a fully programmable keyboard.
Got my first ever keycap set out of the closet today. Thick Ducky OEM PBT.
Remember these?
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They still feel great! I think OEM might be my favorite profile for typing.
Makes me excited for the cubic set coming soon.
Got my first ever keycap set out of the closet today. Thick Ducky OEM PBT.
Remember these?
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They still feel great! I think OEM might be my favorite profile for typing.
Makes me excited for the cubic set coming soon.
Ducky PBT's, beautifully caps aren't they?
I find OEM as my favourite profle for typing too, you either love it or hate it. :thumb:
Ergonomic Truth #1: If you're hurting your fingers using a conventional keyboard, you're doing it wrong. :pI agree that many issues related to typing comfort can be solved by changing technique. However, unless your arms are naturally tucked in like a kangaroo’s, the textbook style technique is uncomfortable for many people. If you had rsi, ra, cts, or similar, you’d understand. I admit that I can two finger hunt and peck better on a conventional board than my customs. I think if I could type with my hands floating above the keyboard like many do, I’d have less trouble. Unfortunately, my hands have lost much of their sensitivity and need to be pretty much anchored to home position for reference when touch typing.
I still do not understand the usefulness of a 60% keyboards, I at least need arrows. Also the excuse of space saving simply is invalid for me. If you do not have space for at least a ten-keyless, where is your monitor?
I still do not understand the usefulness of a 60% keyboards, I at least need arrows. Also the excuse of space saving simply is invalid for me. If you do not have space for at least a ten-keyless, where is your monitor?
i own and have used both types of WASD's keycaps, although i don't know which is which, the ones i bought first are a fair bit better than the newer ones, although both sets are completely rubbish
it's neat that they offer customisation the way they do, and the keyboard itself is perfectly great, but the keycaps are just so bad that they ruin the keyboard they're on
maybe you got lucky with yours and somehow got better keycaps, if that's at all possible
I still do not understand the usefulness of a 60% keyboards, I at least need arrows. Also the excuse of space saving simply is invalid for me. If you do not have space for at least a ten-keyless, where is your monitor?
http://lmgtfy.com/?q=benefits+of+a+60%25+keyboard (http://lmgtfy.com/?q=benefits+of+a+60%25+keyboard)
Obviously its a smaller board so theres more space on your desk for weeb action figures, fine tuned multimeters and $400 wee bits of plastic but it also reduces distance between your mouse hand and its respective nipple
I still do not understand the usefulness of a 60% keyboards, I at least need arrows. Also the excuse of space saving simply is invalid for me. If you do not have space for at least a ten-keyless, where is your monitor?
When I am busy coding, I spend most of my time typing, not mousing. I use the arrow keys and Home/End (usually with Ctrl) quite a lot. Muscle memory has become such that I expect to find them in their standard nav cluster positions.
It is also worth pointing out that the era of first generation micro computers like the early Apples, Commodores, and so forth only lasted for a handful of years, and when the IBM PC came along, it established the full-size keyboard as the de facto standard. You'll notice that every Windows PC sold in the world comes with a full-size keyboard. That layout isn't a relic, it is still the contemporary standard, and anything else is considered (by ordinary folks) a bizarre variant only fit for weirdos and Mac users.
However, I don't know anybody who uses a laptop and doesn't use the laptop's keyboard (they don't need a mech board).I carry my Race 3 to work every day. Everyone gets issued laptops, with some rubber dome chiclet ****e or Logitech K120 nowadays. Separate keyboards can really fit in that landscape, as a lot of people use one or two additional monitors, and laptop is elevated on some kind of stand. Rare, but not totally nonexistent
In the Apple world, it was a brief episode, which is gone, but even Microsoft has been replacing Function keys by tiny multimedia buttons on their very own keyboards for many years now.On most HP laptops, multimedia key functions are primary, and functions keys work with Fn. If you can reverse this in BIOS, good for ya. I have a HP 2-in-1 with keyboard case that offers no such option. This gets annoying quite fast :/
However, I don't know anybody who uses a laptop and doesn't use the laptop's keyboard (they don't need a mech board).
Absolutely. It's been a trend ever since Windows Vista came out and accelerated around Windows 8-10.In the Apple world, it was a brief episode, which is gone, but even Microsoft has been replacing Function keys by tiny multimedia buttons on their very own keyboards for many years now.On most HP laptops, multimedia key functions are primary, and functions keys work with Fn. If you can reverse this in BIOS, good for ya. I have a HP 2-in-1 with keyboard case that offers no such option. This gets annoying quite fast :/
Half of them carry that keyboard to meetings too, and plenty of those are mechs.
Guess I'll throw in mine:
1. I hate small keyboards. 60% or TKL. I don't particularly need Windows keys so the original 101-key layout is fine, but I need at least that layout. I will say that I have no use for multimedia keys though.
2. Linear switches are terrible. Like, I might as well be typing on a rubber dome. I prefer clicky switches, and can get by on regular tactile switches, but linear are a complete no-go for me.
3. I don't care about keyboard lighting. I want indicator lights for NumLock and Capslock (Scroll-lock I don't care about - it's only ever on by accident), but other than that I don't look at the keyboard while I'm typing so I don't care about lights.
4. Designer keycaps are mostly stupid looking to me. I can go for the more subdued "professional looking" caps, but a bunch of off the wall colors and especially those sculpted caps look ridiculous.
5. Anything but QWERTY is stupid. Once upon a time I even practiced DVORAK to the point where I could touch-type at about 40 WPM on it (my normal QWERTY speed is around 110 WPM), but that I realized that I was basically just needlessly punishing myself. QWERTY isn't going away for general usage so I never am going to NOT be typing on QWERTY in certain situations, and so long as I regularly type on QWERTY I'm never going to get particularly fast at any alternate layout. Regardless of how theoretically efficient a different layout may be, why bother if I'm still slower?
You joined geekhack to sh*t on everything? seems legit.
I prefer lower profile keycaps and shorter travel distance, but my typing form is a bit off so this may be why, since it seems to hurt my forearms when I type faster on taller profile keycaps with normal travel distance.
- Lower profile/height of modern dome and scissor switches beat the full travel and height of mechanical keyboards. Tall keyboards and long key travel is a relic of the past. May be great for gamers who learn to not bottom out and speed of switch is needed, but typing speedy on these burn my forearms after a while. They should have shorter travel mechanical switches by now. (Although buckling springs didn't seem to bother my forearms that much, weird)
- I don't like any of the popular Cherry MX for long term. Blue too obnoxiously loud (though would probably take them if had to choose one); Browns might as well be Reds as tactile is so light; Greens too heavy; Clears are too elusive; Linear Red/Black/etc are for gamers.
- No way on earth I would spend more for a keyboard than an i5 CPU
They should have shorter travel mechanical switches by now.
Blue too obnoxiously loud (though would probably take them if had to choose one)
It is insane for someone with this "philosophy" on keyboards to be part of a community of keyboard aficionados.
It is insane for someone with this "philosophy" on keyboards to be part of a community of keyboard aficionados.
It is definitely odd.
The appeal of mechanical keyboards (and tall, thick keycaps, especially sphericals) is that they harken back to a time when they were exquisite works of engineering in and of themselves. Modern keyboards are all victims of our disposable society where very little is made to last or made with much concern to quality or timeless design. Anyone who loves today's trends in (non-mechanical) keyboards couldn't possibly appreciate what makes mechanical keyboards so amazing. It isn't merely a difference in philosophy, but a limitation of perspective.
Yet, most mechanical keyboard's features are plain non-sense, for someone that is happy with modern stock keyboards; it only remains, why people like that join places like this.
They should have shorter travel mechanical switches by now.
Blue too obnoxiously loud (though would probably take them if had to choose one)
Leslieann's "jailhouse blue" mod solves most of this by quieting the clicks, shortening the throw, and moving the actuation higher.
O-rings at the bottom complete the task.
I would prefer to use my Unicomp as a daily driver at home and at work, BUT overall, mechanical's end up being too tall for me and bulky (in full size layout I prefer). I don't want to have to rely on wrist rests to use them for lengthy typing. Plus the noise! So that is why I said I prefer the modern low profile even though I want a mech.
The Romer-G was like a better Brown to me. Quieter and felt more tactile. If Logitech could have better quality I might have kept the K840 I had recently and been a full time mech user. But again Dome/scissor just won out.
Yet, most mechanical keyboard's features are plain non-sense, for someone that is happy with modern stock keyboards; it only remains, why people like that join places like this.
Hmm, Opps, I thought I was at a KEYBOARD forum... Not r/MechanicalKeyboards/, and this was a thread about UNPOPULAR keyboard opinions?
I get that mechanical keyboard afficionado's are the ones that tend to frequent forums but I really don't see anything in my opinions posted that completely ripped on mech's at all. I have tried so many different keyboards in past few years so I have earned an informed opinion. So let me clarify some of those statements as I don't want to offend the majority here (who buy and use expensive mechanical keyboards).
I really like mechanical keyboards very much. I completely get the fine tuned mechanical instrument part just as I have a few mechanical watches. My favorite would be buckling spring followed by a good Alps. I would prefer to use my Unicomp as a daily driver at home and at work, BUT overall, mechanical's end up being too tall for me and bulky (in full size layout I prefer). I don't want to have to rely on wrist rests to use them for lengthy typing. Plus the noise! So that is why I said I prefer the modern low profile even though I want a mech. I still keep an eye on mechanical's.
Regarding Cherry, I understand they dominate the mechanical market but having tried all four of the readily available switches, I don't see anything special. I quickly stated why. None of the blue/brown/linear MX & Clones stand out enough to make me want to forgo the tallness/noise to use daily over a good dome/scissor. The Outemu Blue almost did but after a few nights of my wife hearing it in her bedroom my point was solidified.
The Romer-G was like a better Brown to me. Quieter and felt more tactile. If Logitech could have better quality I might have kept the K840 I had recently and been a full time mech user. But again Dome/scissor just won out.
I blame much of the current trends in keyboards on Apple. Under Steve Jobs they pushed for super-thin and ever thinner laptops with super-low-profile keys, and then they pushed laptop technology and components into their desktop systems, and they gave us desktop keyboards based on the same super-thin and flat design as their laptop keyboards. And yet, human hands are optimized for working with three dimensional objects; it's what comes naturally to us. Not poking at flat surfaces.
The Romer-G was like a better Brown to me. Quieter and felt more tactile. If Logitech could have better quality I might have kept the K840 I had recently and been a full time mech user. But again Dome/scissor just won out.
Always been pleased with Logitechs build quality, but admittedly I have not owned a romer-g board.
I may have thrown this in here before... But JIS is an under-supported layout that has few decent key sets. Real shame :(
JIS is also the superior layout option. No one needs a gigantic 6-7u spacebar, people are just used to it.
I may have thrown this in here before... But JIS is an under-supported layout that has few decent key sets. Real shame :(
JIS is also the superior layout option. No one needs a gigantic 6-7u spacebar, people are just used to it.
I may have thrown this in here before... But JIS is an under-supported layout that has few decent key sets. Real shame :(
JIS is also the superior layout option. No one needs a gigantic 6-7u spacebar, people are just used to it.
yes but it has a bad left shift AND a badder right shift.
I may have thrown this in here before... But JIS is an under-supported layout that has few decent key sets. Real shame :(
JIS is also the superior layout option. No one needs a gigantic 6-7u spacebar, people are just used to it.
yes but it has a bad left shift AND a badder right shift.
Right shift is cancer to begin with, so I really am ok with that being shrunk down. As for the left shift, I have never on earth had an issue with it. The size reduction is barely noticeable. The biggest qualms I have is the location of single quote. I love having double quote layered over the 2, because I can do it with one hand. But the single quote is in an awkward middle spot over the 7. It just takes some getting used to when going back and forth between ANSI.
JIS is also the superior layout option. No one needs a gigantic 6-7u spacebar, people are just used to it.
I had to look up JIS to figure out what you meant. No, we don't need a gigantic spacebar, but IMO the answer is to split it. --> http://zobeid.zapto.org/image/keeb/Zo64-08.jpg (http://zobeid.zapto.org/image/keeb/Zo64-08.jpg)
I've also been fiddling around in KLE with a larger variant without the center Fn key, for those who are put off by such things. --> http://www.keyboard-layout-editor.com/#/gists/b367774ecc015735a691aa8ad17d5900 (http://www.keyboard-layout-editor.com/#/gists/b367774ecc015735a691aa8ad17d5900)
Not sure I'm entirely happy with it yet, though.
I may have thrown this in here before... But JIS is an under-supported layout that has few decent key sets. Real shame :(
JIS is also the superior layout option. No one needs a gigantic 6-7u spacebar, people are just used to it.
yes but it has a bad left shift AND a badder right shift.
Right shift is cancer to begin with, so I really am ok with that being shrunk down. As for the left shift, I have never on earth had an issue with it. The size reduction is barely noticeable. The biggest qualms I have is the location of single quote. I love having double quote layered over the 2, because I can do it with one hand. But the single quote is in an awkward middle spot over the 7. It just takes some getting used to when going back and forth between ANSI.
Size reduction? JIS is supposed to have an ANSI sized left shift, i meant it was too big and was missing a key.
The problem with the reduced right shift is that the additional key requires too much stretch, it should have been on the right side like on ISO.
Someone should make a JIS bottom row, ISO left shift and ANSI enter board.
JIS is also the superior layout option. No one needs a gigantic 6-7u spacebar, people are just used to it.
I had to look up JIS to figure out what you meant. No, we don't need a gigantic spacebar, but IMO the answer is to split it. --> http://zobeid.zapto.org/image/keeb/Zo64-08.jpg (http://zobeid.zapto.org/image/keeb/Zo64-08.jpg)
I've also been fiddling around in KLE with a larger variant without the center Fn key, for those who are put off by such things. --> http://www.keyboard-layout-editor.com/#/gists/b367774ecc015735a691aa8ad17d5900 (http://www.keyboard-layout-editor.com/#/gists/b367774ecc015735a691aa8ad17d5900)
Not sure I'm entirely happy with it yet, though.
Splitting the spacebar is a solution derived from the problem. Nobody has more than one typing technique for the spacebar. Both your hands don't need a dedicated spacebar key.I may have thrown this in here before... But JIS is an under-supported layout that has few decent key sets. Real shame :(
JIS is also the superior layout option. No one needs a gigantic 6-7u spacebar, people are just used to it.
yes but it has a bad left shift AND a badder right shift.
Right shift is cancer to begin with, so I really am ok with that being shrunk down. As for the left shift, I have never on earth had an issue with it. The size reduction is barely noticeable. The biggest qualms I have is the location of single quote. I love having double quote layered over the 2, because I can do it with one hand. But the single quote is in an awkward middle spot over the 7. It just takes some getting used to when going back and forth between ANSI.
Size reduction? JIS is supposed to have an ANSI sized left shift, i meant it was too big and was missing a key.
The problem with the reduced right shift is that the additional key requires too much stretch, it should have been on the right side like on ISO.
Someone should make a JIS bottom row, ISO left shift and ANSI enter board.
Completely agree with that except recently I've been thinking that long left shift is nice to be able to reach across the keyboard efficiently.
(https://i.imgur.com/exxzMWK.png)I may have thrown this in here before... But JIS is an under-supported layout that has few decent key sets. Real shame :(
JIS is also the superior layout option. No one needs a gigantic 6-7u spacebar, people are just used to it.
yes but it has a bad left shift AND a badder right shift.
yes but it has a bad left shift AND a badder right shift.Show Image(https://i.imgur.com/exxzMWK.png)
O.O ... That's a great idea.
Are you trying to convince me to buy a JIS realforce?
Except that's more of an idealized layout and not how the layout is on a JIS realforce. I guess if you want to use software to remap it, then sure. I prefer ANSI, but I do have a few JIS models.
The physical layout is copied from 91U. Does it require remapping? Sure, but that's a very simple job for xkb/PKL/hasu's converter… I wouldn't want to use default US QWERTY on an ANSI layout either.
yes but it has a bad left shift AND a badder right shift.Show Image(https://i.imgur.com/exxzMWK.png)
O.O ... That's a great idea.
Are you trying to convince me to buy a JIS realforce?
I think the custom keyboard weights are for stability and reduction of vibrations rather than pure aesthetic purposes
I can't say I understand the point of the fancy milled weights people put on the bottom of keyboards. Like that Time TKL, the design is neat and all but you're paying more for something you will never see unless you're going to display it on-end and backwards or something. I don't like most artisans but can at least understand their appeal, but I just can't wrap my head around the weight thing.
I think the custom keyboard weights are for stability and reduction of vibrations rather than pure aesthetic purposes
untrue
it's completely an aesthetic thing
stability is more determined by the actual design of the board
clueboard and whitefox are two of the more stable boards i've used, whereas something like a jane or a fjell isn't remarkably better than either
i would argue plate mounting technique has more to do with the feel of the board than whether or not it has a weight
I may have thrown this in here before... But JIS is an under-supported layout that has few decent key sets. Real shame :(
JIS is also the superior layout option. No one needs a gigantic 6-7u spacebar, people are just used to it.
I think the custom keyboard weights are for stability and reduction of vibrations rather than pure aesthetic purposes
untrue
it's completely an aesthetic thing
stability is more determined by the actual design of the board
clueboard and whitefox are two of the more stable boards i've used, whereas something like a jane or a fjell isn't remarkably better than either
i would argue plate mounting technique has more to do with the feel of the board than whether or not it has a weight
I'm not an architect nor am I an engineer but couldn't a brass weight serve as a tuned mass damper (Taipei 101)? Certainly not constructed to prevent nausia during a bad earthquake but perhaps custom keyboard weights could work in a similar manner on a much smaller scale?
I think the custom keyboard weights are for stability and reduction of vibrations rather than pure aesthetic purposes
untrue
it's completely an aesthetic thing
stability is more determined by the actual design of the board
clueboard and whitefox are two of the more stable boards i've used, whereas something like a jane or a fjell isn't remarkably better than either
i would argue plate mounting technique has more to do with the feel of the board than whether or not it has a weight
I'm not an architect nor am I an engineer but couldn't a brass weight serve as a tuned mass damper (Taipei 101)? Certainly not constructed to prevent nausia during a bad earthquake but perhaps custom keyboard weights could work in a similar manner on a much smaller scale?
I think those are usually mounted on springs or something that allows them to move, not bolted in rigidly
weights are best at being weighty
I think the custom keyboard weights are for stability and reduction of vibrations rather than pure aesthetic purposes
untrue
it's completely an aesthetic thing
stability is more determined by the actual design of the board
clueboard and whitefox are two of the more stable boards i've used, whereas something like a jane or a fjell isn't remarkably better than either
i would argue plate mounting technique has more to do with the feel of the board than whether or not it has a weight
I'm not an architect nor am I an engineer but couldn't a brass weight serve as a tuned mass damper (Taipei 101)? Certainly not constructed to prevent nausia during a bad earthquake but perhaps custom keyboard weights could work in a similar manner on a much smaller scale?
I think those are usually mounted on springs or something that allows them to move, not bolted in rigidly
weights are best at being weighty
Kinda. In my head the theory somewhat applies to small vibrations. So there it is I guess.
Weights would change the mass of the keyboard, and therefore, the frequencies it resonates at, potentially making the keyboard sound better, but I assume weights are USUALLY used in keyboards to make them not slide around as much :)
The first possible reason above is similar to the reasoning for mass dampers, but a totally different mechanism. Mass dampers are weights suspended by springs which cause destructive counter oscillations, keeping the building stable. Bolting weight onto a keyboard would change the frequencies that the keyboard will resonate at, making the keyboard sound different to type on.
Maybe. I have light keyboards that do have issues with sliding around.Weights would change the mass of the keyboard, and therefore, the frequencies it resonates at, potentially making the keyboard sound better, but I assume weights are USUALLY used in keyboards to make them not slide around as much :)
The first possible reason above is similar to the reasoning for mass dampers, but a totally different mechanism. Mass dampers are weights suspended by springs which cause destructive counter oscillations, keeping the building stable. Bolting weight onto a keyboard would change the frequencies that the keyboard will resonate at, making the keyboard sound different to type on.
bumpons do more to keep keyboards from sliding around than weights
and without weight, most boards are heavy enough to get the bumpons to do their job
1. I love a large keyboard and don't see the attraction for tiny, nano-sized keyboards. Give me a 122-key tank, thanks.
2. LED Backlighting -- really? Is this a keyboard or a f---ing disco? Feels like one of those 80's boomboxes, kind of pointless.
3. Buckling Springs are better (for me) than Topre, MX, etc. They're all fine, but BS feels the best...
Like most of you, I'm wacky about keebs. But if I had a choice between dinner with Natalie Portman and even the most outrageously rare MK—sorry, dudes, I'd be picking out a coat and tie.
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Natalie portman, the harvard graduate who also did this:Like most of you, I'm wacky about keebs. But if I had a choice between dinner with Natalie Portman and even the most outrageously rare MK—sorry, dudes, I'd be picking out a coat and tie.
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This is so obvious that makes me worry that I didn't take this hobby seriously enough. Would anyone decide differently from you? Really?
Like most of you, I'm wacky about keebs. But if I had a choice between dinner with Natalie Portman and even the most outrageously rare MK—sorry, dudes, I'd be picking out a coat and tie.
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Natalie portman, the harvard graduate who also did this:
Like most of you, I'm wacky about keebs. But if I had a choice between dinner with Natalie Portman and even the most outrageously rare MK—sorry, dudes, I'd be picking out a coat and tie.
1. I love a large keyboard and don't see the attraction for tiny, nano-sized keyboards. Give me a 122-key tank, thanks.
2. LED Backlighting -- really? Is this a keyboard or a f---ing disco? Feels like one of those 80's boomboxes, kind of pointless.
3. Buckling Springs are better (for me) than Topre, MX, etc. They're all fine, but BS feels the best.
4. People should buy and sell keyboards at whatever price suits the two parties -- that helps the hobby overall.
5. They were really overplaying that 'Despocito' song on the radio, glad they finally eased up.
1. Tactility needs to be sharp and compact and not drawn out like Topre or MX Clears, or I won't even know the point where the switch actually actuates. Even if the MX Blues sound ****ty, the tactility is one of the best.
2. Linear switches may feel nice when trying out, but are completely unusable for typing.
3. There is not one vintage keyboard that actually looks acceptable, and which I would want to put on my table.
Here's one:
Plastic is a perfectly acceptable material to make cases out of. Thick high-quality plastic can be quite durable and frankly produces a better sound than most aluminum cases.
Here's one:
Plastic is a perfectly acceptable material to make cases out of. Thick high-quality plastic can be quite durable and frankly produces a better sound than most aluminum cases.
o.ONatalie portman, the harvard graduate who also did this:Like most of you, I'm wacky about keebs. But if I had a choice between dinner with Natalie Portman and even the most outrageously rare MK—sorry, dudes, I'd be picking out a coat and tie.
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This is so obvious that makes me worry that I didn't take this hobby seriously enough. Would anyone decide differently from you? Really?
I guess some of these opinions aren't that unpopular. Just less heard in the keyboard community...I agree and I think people just like the feeling of a smooth rubberdome I have a type heaven and it feels good. But topre is way too overpriced
1) HHKB is overpriced
2) Topre fanboys are getting way too excited about a keyboard that feels like a smoother rubberdome
(I will say I'm in the camp that loves the HHKB layout. It made me change the ctrl/caps lock keys on all my keyboards)
3) Rainbow colored keyboards look cheap and childish
4) Artisan caps, see #3
Topre is only overpriced for those who can't afford them without spending time pondering their "value".
Topre is only overpriced for those who can't afford them without spending time pondering their "value".
But it's also difficult to really say whether or not something is of good "value" since value can be pretty subjective. The average person would probably think any keyboard over $20 is poor value. :rolleyes:Very true and well put... although I would double your price to about $40.
Then don't dare tell them how much you paid for those artisans... :eek:
This hobby can set you back a lot of money, and sometimes for the dumbest sh*t. Nothing is "overpriced" if you want it and can afford it. When somebody says a Topre Realforce board is overpriced, what they seem to be saying is that anyone who buys one got suckered, whereas what they are actually saying is that they are either unable to afford one, or unwilling to spend the money on one. That's a reflection of their personal circumstances, not a reflection of some objective truth about value.
On the other hand, I do think that Topre boards would sell for $50-60 if people weren't readily willing to spend hundreds on one.
I don't think the cost is worth it...
I got down-voted to oblivion over on /r when I pointed out the multiple ways that HHKB is lame. I mean… awkward layout, missing keys, missing legends, glorified rubbeh domes, and most of the ones I see posted have an ugly and impractical artisan lodged on the corner. And yet somehow people keep putting these things on a pedestal as if they were the ultimate flag-bearers of 60% keyboard design.The layout is neither awkward, nor incomplete—within a certain context.
I got down-voted to oblivion over on /r when I pointed out the multiple ways that HHKB is lame. I mean… awkward layout, missing keys, missing legends, glorified rubbeh domes, and most of the ones I see posted have an ugly and impractical artisan lodged on the corner. And yet somehow people keep putting these things on a pedestal as if they were the ultimate flag-bearers of 60% keyboard design.
Nope. Just more spending money than sense I guess :) I was curious to see what the big deal was, but it seems I just figured out it was more of a status symbol, unless the person is just a rare breed.I don't think the cost is worth it...
Did you buy yours at a deep discount or something?
I got down-voted to oblivion over on /r when I pointed out the multiple ways that HHKB is lame. I mean… awkward layout, missing keys, missing legends, glorified rubbeh domes, and most of the ones I see posted have an ugly and impractical artisan lodged on the corner. And yet somehow people keep putting these things on a pedestal as if they were the ultimate flag-bearers of 60% keyboard design.
I got down-voted to oblivion over on /r when I pointed out the multiple ways that HHKB is lame. I mean… awkward layout, missing keys, missing legends, glorified rubbeh domes, and most of the ones I see posted have an ugly and impractical artisan lodged on the corner. And yet somehow people keep putting these things on a pedestal as if they were the ultimate flag-bearers of 60% keyboard design.
The huge appeal of the HHKB to most is the Ctrl and Backspace positioning. Once I got used to it (particularly Backspace) I started reprogramming my other boards to mimic the layout.
Sure there are missing keys in the corners, but that's for ergonomics more than anything. Better to use a function layer than contort your hands to reach the keys.
Which legends do you find are missing? I haven't encountered issues with that before.
All that said, yeah, the layout isn't perfect and neither is the board. But there is no such thing as a perfect layout anyway, so people find the best for their needs and go with that. For many, that's the HHKB.
I got down-voted to oblivion over on /r when I pointed out the multiple ways that HHKB is lame. I mean… awkward layout, missing keys, missing legends, glorified rubbeh domes, and most of the ones I see posted have an ugly and impractical artisan lodged on the corner. And yet somehow people keep putting these things on a pedestal as if they were the ultimate flag-bearers of 60% keyboard design.
The huge appeal of the HHKB to most is the Ctrl and Backspace positioning. Once I got used to it (particularly Backspace) I started reprogramming my other boards to mimic the layout.
Sure there are missing keys in the corners, but that's for ergonomics more than anything. Better to use a function layer than contort your hands to reach the keys.
Which legends do you find are missing? I haven't encountered issues with that before.
All that said, yeah, the layout isn't perfect and neither is the board. But there is no such thing as a perfect layout anyway, so people find the best for their needs and go with that. For many, that's the HHKB.
Layout wise, less is more. The empty spaces in the happy layout create two extra corners that make the keys at the four bottom corners easier to activate. I use variations of the happy layout and I really cannot get back to the traditional fully populated layout, without having issues to activate some keys; plus, the easier access to activate the backspace and the control keys. Also, it should be noted that corner keys at the bottom of the alpha layout in fully populated boards are very hard to reach from the home position.
I got down-voted to oblivion over on /r when I pointed out the multiple ways that HHKB is lame. I mean… awkward layout, missing keys, missing legends, glorified rubbeh domes, and most of the ones I see posted have an ugly and impractical artisan lodged on the corner. And yet somehow people keep putting these things on a pedestal as if they were the ultimate flag-bearers of 60% keyboard design.
The huge appeal of the HHKB to most is the Ctrl and Backspace positioning. Once I got used to it (particularly Backspace) I started reprogramming my other boards to mimic the layout.
Sure there are missing keys in the corners, but that's for ergonomics more than anything. Better to use a function layer than contort your hands to reach the keys.
Which legends do you find are missing? I haven't encountered issues with that before.
All that said, yeah, the layout isn't perfect and neither is the board. But there is no such thing as a perfect layout anyway, so people find the best for their needs and go with that. For many, that's the HHKB.
Layout wise, less is more. The empty spaces in the happy layout create two extra corners that make the keys at the four bottom corners easier to activate. I use variations of the happy layout and I really cannot get back to the traditional fully populated layout, without having issues to activate some keys; plus, the easier access to activate the backspace and the control keys. Also, it should be noted that corner keys at the bottom of the alpha layout in fully populated boards are very hard to reach from the home position.
What's hard to reach is the forward-delete (FN+~), and kind of FN+K/, for Home/End.
I exceedingly rarely need the tilde ~ so to have it as forward-delete by default would be much preferable.
The huge appeal of the HHKB to most is the Ctrl and Backspace positioning. Once I got used to it (particularly Backspace) I started reprogramming my other boards to mimic the layout.
The huge appeal of the HHKB to most is the Ctrl and Backspace positioning. Once I got used to it (particularly Backspace) I started reprogramming my other boards to mimic the layout.
I've been using primarily Macs for the last 20 years. Ctrl is an almost un-used key on the Mac. It's only used in the command line, and most people (including me) don't use the command line all that heavily. Our primary key for application shortcuts is Command (⌘), which is found to the immediate left and right of the space bar. Having a Command key on the right is important, because all the standard app shortcuts are on the left side of the keyboard. They are ⌘-Q (quit), ⌘-W (close window), ⌘-S (save), ⌘-Z (undo), ⌘-X (cut), ⌘-C (copy), ⌘-V (paste). Trying to hit the ⌘ key with the same hand as the shortcut key would be awkward. Just like we use a Shift key with one hand to capitalize letters on the other hand, you want to use your right hand on ⌘ while pressing the shortcut key with your left. Of course there can be shortcut keys all over the map, so it's nice to have Control-Option-Command on the left and Command-Option-Control on the right. They are clustered all together (and under the Shift keys too), so it's easy to chord any combination of these keys, and you can do it with either hand to easily hit shortcuts on either side of the keyboard. This is such a versatile, logical and natural system that I can only shake my head in dismay when I look at something like HHKB. What in the world were they thinking?
Now I am in the process of moving to Ubuntu, but I find Mac keyboards work very well on Linux. All I have to do is enter my keyboard layout options and swap the position of the Ctrl and "Win" keys. Then I've got a nice familiar layout of Super-Alt-Ctrl on the left and Ctrl-Alt-Super on the right. Ctrl does the same functions on Linux that Command does on a Mac. Super/Win is basically unused by Linux, but I can configure all my personal shortcuts to use it, to switch workspaces, toggle fullscreen or minimize windows, without any worry about it conflicting with anything else in the system. Again it's all logical and convenient, and it would all be harder on a HHKB.
As far as backspace is concerned, backspace belongs on the left half of a split spacebar. For many years it has seemed obvious to me that all spacebars should be split, and backspace should be on the left. It's not a new innovation either. Erase-Ease™ keyboards were introduced in the 1990s. Unfortunately, they were also trademarked and patented(!) at that time, which I believe is the only reason they didn't quickly take over. The patent didn't expire until 2016, so maybe now this idea can finally start to make a comeback.
And here is what I'm building today → http://www.keyboard-layout-editor.com/#/gists/53eb271326a5e7a951cf8778208e9b5e
The huge appeal of the HHKB to most is the Ctrl and Backspace positioning. Once I got used to it (particularly Backspace) I started reprogramming my other boards to mimic the layout.
I've been using primarily Macs for the last 20 years. Ctrl is an almost un-used key on the Mac. It's only used in the command line, and most people (including me) don't use the command line all that heavily. Our primary key for application shortcuts is Command (⌘), which is found to the immediate left and right of the space bar. Having a Command key on the right is important, because all the standard app shortcuts are on the left side of the keyboard. They are ⌘-Q (quit), ⌘-W (close window), ⌘-S (save), ⌘-Z (undo), ⌘-X (cut), ⌘-C (copy), ⌘-V (paste). Trying to hit the ⌘ key with the same hand as the shortcut key would be awkward. Just like we use a Shift key with one hand to capitalize letters on the other hand, you want to use your right hand on ⌘ while pressing the shortcut key with your left. Of course there can be shortcut keys all over the map, so it's nice to have Control-Option-Command on the left and Command-Option-Control on the right. They are clustered all together (and under the Shift keys too), so it's easy to chord any combination of these keys, and you can do it with either hand to easily hit shortcuts on either side of the keyboard. This is such a versatile, logical and natural system that I can only shake my head in dismay when I look at something like HHKB. What in the world were they thinking?
Now I am in the process of moving to Ubuntu, but I find Mac keyboards work very well on Linux. All I have to do is enter my keyboard layout options and swap the position of the Ctrl and "Win" keys. Then I've got a nice familiar layout of Super-Alt-Ctrl on the left and Ctrl-Alt-Super on the right. Ctrl does the same functions on Linux that Command does on a Mac. Super/Win is basically unused by Linux, but I can configure all my personal shortcuts to use it, to switch workspaces, toggle fullscreen or minimize windows, without any worry about it conflicting with anything else in the system. Again it's all logical and convenient, and it would all be harder on a HHKB.
As far as backspace is concerned, backspace belongs on the left half of a split spacebar. For many years it has seemed obvious to me that all spacebars should be split, and backspace should be on the left. It's not a new innovation either. Erase-Ease™ keyboards were introduced in the 1990s. Unfortunately, they were also trademarked and patented(!) at that time, which I believe is the only reason they didn't quickly take over. The patent didn't expire until 2016, so maybe now this idea can finally start to make a comeback.
And here is what I'm building today → http://www.keyboard-layout-editor.com/#/gists/53eb271326a5e7a951cf8778208e9b5e
Ahhh, very good points all around. I always forget these little differences for non-Windows users. And personally I break the 'rules' of typing and always only use my left shift and left ctrl, so hadn't considered that factor either.
That split space tidbit is pretty interesting - it's really hard to get people to buy a one-off oddball keyboard, since it's so different from what people are used to. If a manufacturer really thinks the design is better, it's best to have as many other manufacturers adopt it as well to make it more prevalent and used. But of course that's easier to say with hindsight. ;)
some people, on some websites, seem to be more concerned with being keyboard product photographers than using keyboards, or discussing their use/care/construction/etc.
I disfavor these people.
some people, on some websites, seem to be more concerned with being keyboard product photographers than using keyboards, or discussing their use/care/construction/etc.
some people, on some websites, seem to be more concerned with being keyboard product photographers than using keyboards, or discussing their use/care/construction/etc.
I put some of the blame on R/MK, which has a lot more activity than this site. To get up-voted on R/MK you need a funny meme or a pretty photo. If there's also a cat in the shot, then it's gold. It's not such a good venue for deep discussions.
some people, on some websites, seem to be more concerned with being keyboard product photographers than using keyboards, or discussing their use/care/construction/etc.
I put some of the blame on R/MK, which has a lot more activity than this site. To get up-voted on R/MK you need a funny meme or a pretty photo. If there's also a cat in the shot, then it's gold. It's not such a good venue for deep discussions.
Just don't say that on Reddit unless you want to be personally attacked. :rolleyes:
Don't forget shoes and Geekwhack! To the top boys!11!1!1!!!1some people, on some websites, seem to be more concerned with being keyboard product photographers than using keyboards, or discussing their use/care/construction/etc.
I put some of the blame on R/MK, which has a lot more activity than this site. To get up-voted on R/MK you need a funny meme or a pretty photo. If there's also a cat in the shot, then it's gold. It's not such a good venue for deep discussions.
I'm reasonably intelligent, and have been using computers since the dawn of PCs, and the Internet since the dawn of, er, the Internet. And I can't figure out how to use Reddit. You can sign up and have an account and everything—but then how do you reply to people's posts?[attach=1]
It always leaves me baffled—and it doesn't seem like Reddit themselves care very much about providing any clues. You're just supposed to figure it out, apparently.
So considering how popular it is, I guess this is an unpopular opinion.
I'm reasonably intelligent, and have been using computers since the dawn of PCs, and the Internet since the dawn of, er, the Internet. And I can't figure out how to use Reddit. You can sign up and have an account and everything—but then how do you reply to people's posts?
It always leaves me baffled—and it doesn't seem like Reddit themselves care very much about providing any clues. You're just supposed to figure it out, apparently.
So considering how popular it is, I guess this is an unpopular opinion.
I'm reasonably intelligent, and have been using computers since the dawn of PCs, and the Internet since the dawn of, er, the Internet. And I can't figure out how to use Reddit. You can sign up and have an account and everything—but then how do you reply to people's posts?
It always leaves me baffled—and it doesn't seem like Reddit themselves care very much about providing any clues. You're just supposed to figure it out, apparently.
So considering how popular it is, I guess this is an unpopular opinion.
I touch type with properly alternating hands for modifiers like Shift and all others. Placing a modifier only on one side doesn't cut it then.
I really, really like my Lenovo Enhanced, i have it for over 5 years and i always come back to it.
I'm using it at my job right now.
Depends on who you ask. It would be unpopular among many in the Reddit crowd I'm sure because OMG IT'S RUBBERDOMEH [sic]. But I don't really care what anyone else uses, use what you want to use.
Depends on who you ask. It would be unpopular among many in the Reddit crowd I'm sure because OMG IT'S RUBBERDOMEH [sic]. But I don't really care what anyone else uses, use what you want to use.
Of course. Being a rubber-designed board, it does not really relate with mechanical ones, right?
By the way, if sound is the issue with mechanical keyboards in the office, there are numerous options these days. I currently use a Matias Laptop Pro with Quiet Click switches, but I've also used others like my Sharp X68000 with Alps SKCL Green which is relatively quiet compared to most mechanicals.
You know, I have other preferences too, such as making the keyboard as symmetrical as humanly possible in general.I touch type with properly alternating hands for modifiers like Shift and all others. Placing a modifier only on one side doesn't cut it then.
The 60% boards that I built might come fairly close to your preferences. → http://zobeid.zapto.org/misc/zo65.html (http://zobeid.zapto.org/misc/zo65.html)
DSA feels amazing. GMK is meh.
You know, I have other preferences too, such as making the keyboard as symmetrical as humanly possible in general.
This is a layout proposal (https://forum.colemak.com/topic/2187-jis-master-race/) based on Topre Realforce 91U that I always post, because of my insistence on the "extra-wide" mod enabled by JIS right Shift.Show Image(https://i.imgur.com/jT3PLa6.png)
DSA feels amazing. GMK is meh.
I find uniform profile keycaps unusable. A couple of days ago I've tried some flat keycaps, and I've found it really annoying to reach the qwerty row, because I need to move the fingers much more. And DSA are horrible keycaps, they're made for people that are dead inside.
You know, I have other preferences too, such as making the keyboard as symmetrical as humanly possible in general.
This is a layout proposal (https://forum.colemak.com/topic/2187-jis-master-race/) based on Topre Realforce 91U that I always post, because of my insistence on the "extra-wide" mod enabled by JIS right Shift.Show Image(https://i.imgur.com/jT3PLa6.png)
There are some interesting ideas, but I don't accept anything that makes me re-learn how to touch type!
DSA feels amazing. GMK is meh.
I find uniform profile keycaps unusable. A couple of days ago I've tried some flat keycaps, and I've found it really annoying to reach the qwerty row, because I need to move the fingers much more. And DSA are horrible keycaps, they're made for people that are dead inside.
I mean just build a keyboard for your laptop. Who cares about portability when you have feels :pDSA feels amazing. GMK is meh.
I find uniform profile keycaps unusable. A couple of days ago I've tried some flat keycaps, and I've found it really annoying to reach the qwerty row, because I need to move the fingers much more. And DSA are horrible keycaps, they're made for people that are dead inside.
I hope you never have to use a laptop.
DSA feels amazing. GMK is meh.
I find uniform profile keycaps unusable. A couple of days ago I've tried some flat keycaps, and I've found it really annoying to reach the qwerty row, because I need to move the fingers much more. And DSA are horrible keycaps, they're made for people that are dead inside.
I hope you never have to use a laptop.
DSA feels amazing. GMK is meh.
I find uniform profile keycaps unusable. A couple of days ago I've tried some flat keycaps, and I've found it really annoying to reach the qwerty row, because I need to move the fingers much more. And DSA are horrible keycaps, they're made for people that are dead inside.
I hope you never have to use a laptop.
https://us.msi.com/Laptop/GT83VR-TITAN-SLI-6th-Gen-GTX-1080-SLI.html
Ok, I'll play.
I found the keyboards on Apple's laptops from ~2008-2016 to be pretty enjoyable to type on.
(The current 'touch bar' ones have awful keyboards though)
Ok, I've got one.
Zelios are no better than Cherry Clears. (not that that's a bad thing)
I have had clears on many boards for a while, and decided to get a 60% with 78g Zelios, which felt the best in my switch tester of the weights. They did feel a little smoother, and maybe more tactile when on the switch tester.
Got my board done with the Zeals, and, well...it feels essentially the same as my 60% with clears. Probably a little smoother, but otherwise the same. I mean, that's fine...I really like Clears, but now I know that the price premium for Zelios over clears is just not worth it.
Sent from my ONEPLUS A5010 using Tapatalk
Isn't 78g pretty close to stock MX Clear? I was also always under the impression that the original intent for Zeal switches was to get Ergo Clears without all the hassle of spring swapping.It is. It's perhaps a touch lighter but I like heavy switches, so they feel better to me than 67, 65 or such. Still nice, but not $0.80 a switch nice.
Another pet peeve from me, i don't like MX Browns.That's a pretty common opinion around here. There's no real tactility on MX browns, and they're a pretty crap switch overall.
When i first joined keyboard communities on some forums i was accustomed to it seemed to the best switch around, the second coming of Christ, everybody praised it for one reason or another (either the "tactility", the sound or the weight).
I never really minded it much, since i was using Kailh Blues and Outemu Blacks at the time, but one day my friend bought a keyboard with Cherry Browns, we both hated it, he ended up returning and picking up the same keyboard but with Cherry Blacks.
First of all, the so called "tactile bump", which is just a speck of dirt on an otherwise linear switch, then the weight, waaaay too light for me.
I do have an Anne Pro with Gateron Browns, but the only reason i bought it is so that i can solder Gateron Blacks to it and sells the Browns with ease, since they are so popular.
Another pet peeve from me, i don't like MX Browns.
When i first joined keyboard communities on some forums i was accustomed to it seemed to the best switch around, the second coming of Christ, everybody praised it for one reason or another (either the "tactility", the sound or the weight).
I never really minded it much, since i was using Kailh Blues and Outemu Blacks at the time, but one day my friend bought a keyboard with Cherry Browns, we both hated it, he ended up returning and picking up the same keyboard but with Cherry Blacks.
First of all, the so called "tactile bump", which is just a speck of dirt on an otherwise linear switch, then the weight, waaaay too light for me.
I do have an Anne Pro with Gateron Browns, but the only reason i bought it is so that i can solder Gateron Blacks to it and sells the Browns with ease, since they are so popular.
WASD is a bad system for controlling cursor as it moves your fingers off the home row.You just blew my mind
ESDF is much more rational.
Have I posted this before? I think I may have ... =/
Isn't 78g pretty close to stock MX Clear? I was also always under the impression that the original intent for Zeal switches was to get Ergo Clears without all the hassle of spring swapping.It is. It's perhaps a touch lighter but I like heavy switches, so they feel better to me than 67, 65 or such. Still nice, but not $0.80 a switch nice.
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Meanwhile, I spend about 8-10 times that on a custom aluminum case and brass plate.There's your other problem.
Meanwhile, I spend about 8-10 times that on a custom aluminum case and brass plate.There's your other problem.
WASD is a bad system for controlling cursor as it moves your fingers off the home row.You just blew my mind
ESDF is much more rational.
Have I posted this before? I think I may have ... =/
I'm sure someone has already said this somewhere in the 82 pages of this thread so far, but I don't like backlit keyboards. What's the point? You shouldn't need to be looking at it while you're using it anyway. Conversely, if you DO need to look at the keys, they should be readable without fancy lights.
WASD is a bad system for controlling cursor as it moves your fingers off the home row.You just blew my mind
ESDF is much more rational.
Have I posted this before? I think I may have ... =/
Hopefully in a good way. Reddit didn't like this suggestion. I should have posted a picture of a cat to soothe the controversy.Show Image(https://i.imgur.com/NQQAIVo.jpg?1)
I guess this is a place for unpopular opinions though ...
Then again if you're a programmer are you really doing it right if you're not using vim keys? /s
Then again if you're a programmer are you really doing it right if you're not using vim keys? /s
Then again if you're a programmer are you really doing it right if you're not using vim keys? /s
I'm a programmer and a vim user and I hate those damn cursor keys. Though really you should call them vi keys seeing how vim supports proper arrow keys just fine...
Then again if you're a programmer are you really doing it right if you're not using vim keys? /s
I'm a programmer and a vim user and I hate those damn cursor keys. Though really you should call them vi keys seeing how vim supports proper arrow keys just fine...
The VIM cursor keys make no sense because of their order. Using HJKL...
<LEFT> <DOWN> <UP> <RIGHT> give you [back] [forward] [back] [forward], since the down arrow advances. I can't get used to this setup.
<LEFT> <UP> <DOWN> <RIGHT> would be much more natural as it pairs them in back/forward. I got used to this immediately.
I'm sure someone has already said this somewhere in the 82 pages of this thread so far, but I don't like backlit keyboards. What's the point? You shouldn't need to be looking at it while you're using it anyway. Conversely, if you DO need to look at the keys, they should be readable without fancy lights.
I'm sure someone has already said this somewhere in the 82 pages of this thread so far, but I don't like backlit keyboards. What's the point? You shouldn't need to be looking at it while you're using it anyway. Conversely, if you DO need to look at the keys, they should be readable without fancy lights.
I find it weird that there are people in this very forum who still think keyboards are just utilities and nothing more.
I don't buy red cars because red makes my cars go faster and safer. I just think red cars look more fun and exciting. Also, I like red, and nobody is gonna chane my mind on that.
Same idea here, man.
I'm sure someone has already said this somewhere in the 82 pages of this thread so far, but I don't like backlit keyboards. What's the point? You shouldn't need to be looking at it while you're using it anyway. Conversely, if you DO need to look at the keys, they should be readable without fancy lights.
I find it weird that there are people in this very forum who still think keyboards are just utilities and nothing more.
I don't buy red cars because red makes my cars go faster and safer. I just think red cars look more fun and exciting. Also, I like red, and nobody is gonna chane my mind on that.
Same idea here, man.
I find it weird that there are people in this very forum who still think keyboards are just utilities and nothing more.
Truth be told: Keyboards are utilitarian devices. It just happens that these utilities are very important, for some of us.
WASD is a bad system for controlling cursor as it moves your fingers off the home row.
ESDF is much more rational.
Have I posted this before? I think I may have ... =/
WASD is a bad system for controlling cursor as it moves your fingers off the home row.You just blew my mind
ESDF is much more rational.
Have I posted this before? I think I may have ... =/
WASD is a bad system for controlling cursor as it moves your fingers off the home row.You just blew my mind
ESDF is much more rational.
Have I posted this before? I think I may have ... =/
WASD is a bad system for controlling cursor as it moves your fingers off the home row.
ESDF is much more rational.
Have I posted this before? I think I may have ... =/
WASD is a bad system for controlling cursor as it moves your fingers off the home row.
ESDF is much more rational.
Have I posted this before? I think I may have ... =/
Eh I disagree.
If it's for gaming, home row doesn't really matter, and WASD is closer to the bigger CapsLock key, making it easier to feel without looking. Also, it's less stressful to move the ring finger from A to 1 or Tab (weapon switching and such).
If it's for normal computing, I guess it would be Fn/Hyper/Control+WASD with the Fn/Hyper/Control key being where the CapsLock is, in which case, same as above. WASD is closer to CapsLock than ESDF.
I'm failing to see how SDFC could be used without completely contorting your hand.
I'm failing to see how SDFC could be used without completely contorting your hand.
usually C is hit with the index finger rather than the middle finger, which is a perfectly natural motion. the downside is then it's a bit awkward to use F and C simultaneously, but I've managed to train myself to use my middle finger on C if I need to do that. the upside is similar to ESDF, fingers on the home row and quicker access to more letter keys for additional key bindings.
probably there's no rational argument for SDFC over ESDF, but it's what I taught myself back in the days of OG Doom and these things are hard to unlearn :)
I can't stand non-standard keyboard layouts. This is why I want to sell the Lightsaver V1 my friend gifted me and buy a full layout keyboard.
I recommend a silicone protector to save your laptop when you spill your starbucks coffee in it. ;) jk
I am from a different time with different values regarding tech, so just ignore this old guy.
You **** one goat, always a goat****er.
NB: this is a response to nguyen, not an unpopular opinion I'm sharing. And it was ONE TIME, jeez.
Control and backspace are better placed, but you sacrifice the Fn position and make it awkward. Also, using the arrow keys with the same hand you need to access the Fn layer? I will say looks alone this is my favorite board- size, aesthetics of layout, and color schemes. I don't own one but have considered it.I got down-voted to oblivion over on /r when I pointed out the multiple ways that HHKB is lame. I mean… awkward layout, missing keys, missing legends, glorified rubbeh domes, and most of the ones I see posted have an ugly and impractical artisan lodged on the corner. And yet somehow people keep putting these things on a pedestal as if they were the ultimate flag-bearers of 60% keyboard design.
The huge appeal of the HHKB to most is the Ctrl and Backspace positioning. Once I got used to it (particularly Backspace) I started reprogramming my other boards to mimic the layout.
Sure there are missing keys in the corners, but that's for ergonomics more than anything. Better to use a function layer than contort your hands to reach the keys.
Which legends do you find are missing? I haven't encountered issues with that before.
All that said, yeah, the layout isn't perfect and neither is the board. But there is no such thing as a perfect layout anyway, so people find the best for their needs and go with that. For many, that's the HHKB.
Layout wise, less is more. The empty spaces in the happy layout create two extra corners that make the keys at the four bottom corners easier to activate. I use variations of the happy layout and I really cannot get back to the traditional fully populated layout, without having issues to activate some keys; plus, the easier access to activate the backspace and the control keys. Also, it should be noted that corner keys at the bottom of the alpha layout in fully populated boards are very hard to reach from the home position.
Man, I just don't get artisans.They're out of profile for the other keys. They're expensive. They ruin the look of a board. I just can't wrap my head around the appeal. Novelty legends on a regular key are cool, but I can't imagine having a little bumpy (usually convex) thing on my otherwise orderly keyboard.
Guess you could say it is my unpopular opinion ;)I recommend a silicone protector to save your laptop when you spill your starbucks coffee in it. ;) jk
I am from a different time with different values regarding tech, so just ignore this old guy.
It's weird that you feel the need to make fun of my working laptops and group me into a boring stereotype when I'm already here, at a mechanical keyboard forum. Guess I have to go buy an old Thinkpad right away to reaffirm my leetness :rolleyes:
I hate raised or tilted keyboards as they break my wrists.Do you also hate underglow on boards like the KBD75?
I hate illuminated keyboards, especially with thick keycaps or when it's flashing :eek:
I hate full-size keyboard as well as tiny ones without numbers and arrows.
I hate blank keys as well as unsuitable ones.
And of course I hate azerty keyboards, they do not even allow to type French correctly ! :thumb:
I hate raised or tilted keyboards as they break my wrists.
I hate raised or tilted keyboards as they break my wrists.Agreed, talked to someone regarding this exact topic and apparently it's more ergonomic when sitted at a steeper angle lol
Do you also hate underglow on boards like the KBD75?
I hate raised or tilted keyboards as they break my wrists.
Agreed, talked to someone regarding this exact topic and apparently it's more ergonomic when sitted at a steeper angle lol
I hate raised or tilted keyboards as they break my wrists.
Agreed, talked to someone regarding this exact topic and apparently it's more ergonomic when sitted at a steeper angle lol
It's best to have wrists in a natural straight position.
So depending on your desk height, you may want it flat or raised to keep your wrists neutral. If the keyboard is high relative to your elbows, you'll probably want to raise the keyboard feet to match the angle with your forearm.
By the same token, it's best to avoid having the keyboard too close.
It's best to have wrists in a natural straight position.
So depending on your desk height, you may want it flat or raised to keep your wrists neutral. If the keyboard is high relative to your elbows, you'll probably want to raise the keyboard feet to match the angle with your forearm.
By the same token, it's best to avoid having the keyboard too close.
It's best to have wrists in a natural straight position.
So depending on your desk height, you may want it flat or raised to keep your wrists neutral. If the keyboard is high relative to your elbows, you'll probably want to raise the keyboard feet to match the angle with your forearm.
By the same token, it's best to avoid having the keyboard too close.
This is the correct answer. Regardless of your desk height, however, the TRUE way to ensure the least amount of wrist stress, is to have a split keyboard. This ensures your wrists are straight in comparison to your forearms and not twisted at an angle outwards like they are with normal rectangular boards.
i literally created an account just so i can rage in this thread. thank you geekhack.
WASD is a bad system for controlling cursor as it moves your fingers off the home row.
ESDF is much more rational.
Have I posted this before? I think I may have ... =/WASD is a bad system for controlling cursor as it moves your fingers off the home row.You just blew my mind
ESDF is much more rational.
Have I posted this before? I think I may have ... =/WASD is a bad system for controlling cursor as it moves your fingers off the home row.You just blew my mind
ESDF is much more rational.
Have I posted this before? I think I may have ... =/
Just blew my mind as well, never even thought about it until it was mentioned and makes logical sense
WASD is a bad system for controlling cursor as it moves your fingers off the home row.
ESDF is much more rational.
Have I posted this before? I think I may have ... =/WASD is a bad system for controlling cursor as it moves your fingers off the home row.You just blew my mind
ESDF is much more rational.
Have I posted this before? I think I may have ... =/WASD is a bad system for controlling cursor as it moves your fingers off the home row.You just blew my mind
ESDF is much more rational.
Have I posted this before? I think I may have ... =/
Just blew my mind as well, never even thought about it until it was mentioned and makes logical sense
May I blow a bit more?
What about ESCF?
Think about it! Try it! Don't tell me this isn't much more comfortable!
Who in his right mind would get the idea to arrange 4 direction keys in a T-shape?
The only reason could be not enough space. Which wasn't true for the Model-M and for every "extended" keyboard that copied it since!
From your comments I deduce that you press forwards and backwards both with the middle finger?
I actually never had that idea.
I don't move any finger, I rest the thumb on backwards ("C" in my example).
I think one opinion I have would be pretty uncommon or unpopular. I think Caps Lock is VERY usesless and should be permanently replaced with the Control key. I dunno, I know people actually use Caps Lock but I can never bring myself to ever use it.
Speaking of useless keys.. Does someone actually use Insert?
Speaking of useless keys.. Does someone actually use Insert?
Every time I reach for the home key with my pinky and miss or overshoot the backspace. :D
Speaking of useless keys.. Does someone actually use Insert?
I hate when vintage keyboards are cut up or harvested for their switches, then thrown out.I feel a great sadness at the very core of my being every time I hear this happen.
I hate when vintage keyboards are cut up or harvested for their switches, then thrown out.Even when it is a creaky Chicony?
Yes.I hate when vintage keyboards are cut up or harvested for their switches, then thrown out.Even when it is a creaky Chicony?
Time to hide my old Chicony with blue Alps that I was planning on taking apart I guess...
Seriously though those switches deserve better. It's a cheap, flimsy, creaky plastic case. With only two key rollover and pointlessly huge bezels. I have no qualms about harvesting the switches from that.
Getting tired of seeingevery newGMKGB come with icon only mods.
Getting tired of seeingThere, I fixed it.every newGMKGB come with icon only mods.
I hate when vintage keyboards are cut up or harvested for their switches, then thrown out.
For me personally, MX Cherry switches don't feel as nice as a decent rubber dome. I have tried MX Cherry red, speed red, black, brown, blue and clear keyboards. Finally tried a Topre before abandoning mechanical keyboards altogether and found what I like...a glorified rubber dome. (I have 3 topre keyboards now; Realforce R2 Silent 45g, Realforce 87U 55g, Realforce RGB 45g)
But I'll disagree about Topre. I'm sure it feels nice, but I really can't justify paying 250+ bucks for a better built rubber dome. Or at least I'd expect the OOBE to be near perfect, ie. I wouldn't have to pay extra 60 bucks for different domes, some more for a PBT spacebar and even some more for silencing rings.
But I'll disagree about Topre. I'm sure it feels nice, but I really can't justify paying 250+ bucks for a better built rubber dome. Or at least I'd expect the OOBE to be near perfect, ie. I wouldn't have to pay extra 60 bucks for different domes, some more for a PBT spacebar and even some more for silencing rings.
Actually, that raises a question. Would a NIZ Plum decked out with BKE Redux domes and lube be close enough to a Topre board decked out similarly? I have too much sense to fall for the Topre meme just yet but I've heard great things about BKE Redux.
TKLs (aesthetically pleasing but too big)
I hate when vintage keyboards are cut up or harvested for their switches, then thrown out.
I regret every vintage board I've cut up... except AEKS.
Unpopular opinion: AEKs suck...
Things that I don't likeThings that I don't think that are that bad
- HHKB layout
- Split right shift
- Tactile switches
- Box clickies
- TKLs (aesthetically pleasing but too big)
- MX blues
- Gatistotles
- Gateron clears
Cool beans. Would the BKE dome swap be viable with a Plum board though? I've seen plenty of people discuss it as a viable Topre alternative but I've never actually seen it done before.But I'll disagree about Topre. I'm sure it feels nice, but I really can't justify paying 250+ bucks for a better built rubber dome. Or at least I'd expect the OOBE to be near perfect, ie. I wouldn't have to pay extra 60 bucks for different domes, some more for a PBT spacebar and even some more for silencing rings.
Actually, that raises a question. Would a NIZ Plum decked out with BKE Redux domes and lube be close enough to a Topre board decked out similarly? I have too much sense to fall for the Topre meme just yet but I've heard great things about BKE Redux.
Typing on some BKE Redux heavies now. 7/8 would recommend if you like a stiff, tactile board. I love mine, but maybe that's an unpopular opinion.
Cool beans. Would the BKE dome swap be viable with a Plum board though? I've seen plenty of people discuss it as a viable Topre alternative but I've never actually seen it done before.But I'll disagree about Topre. I'm sure it feels nice, but I really can't justify paying 250+ bucks for a better built rubber dome. Or at least I'd expect the OOBE to be near perfect, ie. I wouldn't have to pay extra 60 bucks for different domes, some more for a PBT spacebar and even some more for silencing rings.
Actually, that raises a question. Would a NIZ Plum decked out with BKE Redux domes and lube be close enough to a Topre board decked out similarly? I have too much sense to fall for the Topre meme just yet but I've heard great things about BKE Redux.
Typing on some BKE Redux heavies now. 7/8 would recommend if you like a stiff, tactile board. I love mine, but maybe that's an unpopular opinion.
Since I haven't left an opinion yet, I actually didn't think it was that hard to switch to a split ergo layout for the first time. I only took around a 30WPM hit when my ErgoDox came in.
Cool beans. Would the BKE dome swap be viable with a Plum board though? I've seen plenty of people discuss it as a viable Topre alternative but I've never actually seen it done before.But I'll disagree about Topre. I'm sure it feels nice, but I really can't justify paying 250+ bucks for a better built rubber dome. Or at least I'd expect the OOBE to be near perfect, ie. I wouldn't have to pay extra 60 bucks for different domes, some more for a PBT spacebar and even some more for silencing rings.
Actually, that raises a question. Would a NIZ Plum decked out with BKE Redux domes and lube be close enough to a Topre board decked out similarly? I have too much sense to fall for the Topre meme just yet but I've heard great things about BKE Redux.
Typing on some BKE Redux heavies now. 7/8 would recommend if you like a stiff, tactile board. I love mine, but maybe that's an unpopular opinion.
Since I haven't left an opinion yet, I actually didn't think it was that hard to switch to a split ergo layout for the first time. I only took around a 30WPM hit when my ErgoDox came in.
lmao, is this an unpopular opinion thread or a hate thread? Most people seem to be using this as a hate ventilator.
State "I don't like such and such", don't add your bs hate into it. Otherwise, people might actually use their Mech boards as a melee weapon...haha just kidding...maybe...
lmao, is this an unpopular opinion thread or a hate thread? Most people seem to be using this as a hate ventilator.
State "I don't like such and such", don't add your bs hate into it. Otherwise, people might actually use their Mech boards as a melee weapon...haha just kidding...maybe...
In that case the grouchy old Model M owners will totally beat the crap out of all the hipsters with their teensy sub-TKL boards.
lmao, is this an unpopular opinion thread or a hate thread? Most people seem to be using this as a hate ventilator.
State "I don't like such and such", don't add your bs hate into it. Otherwise, people might actually use their Mech boards as a melee weapon...haha just kidding...maybe...
In that case the grouchy old Model M owners will totally beat the crap out of all the hipsters with their teensy sub-TKL boards.
Holy necropost batman. We digging up posts from page 6 now?
Electromechanical engineer here with diverse experience miniaturization of complex electromechanical assemblies...
I literally created an account just to say this.
Scissor Switches are by far the best switch design
The only reason why this isn't apparent is because a vast majority of scissor switches are developed to be as compact as possible. The fact that the community is not pursuing a 4mm performance scissor switch is a travesty.
I assure you, if one were designed and manufactured with your needs in mind, a majority of you would prefer them for their inherent stability, smoothness, and crisp operation.
Why?Things that I don't likeThings that I don't think that are that bad
- HHKB layout
- Split right shift
- Tactile switches
- Box clickies
- TKLs (aesthetically pleasing but too big)
- MX blues
- Gatistotles
- Gateron clears
Maybe you should start with what you do like
I have choc switches. They are a decent low-profile switch, but kaihua scissors are superior, which is why kaihua developed them in the first place.Electromechanical engineer here with diverse experience miniaturization of complex electromechanical assemblies...
I literally created an account just to say this.
Scissor Switches are by far the best switch design
The only reason why this isn't apparent is because a vast majority of scissor switches are developed to be as compact as possible. The fact that the community is not pursuing a 4mm performance scissor switch is a travesty.
I assure you, if one were designed and manufactured with your needs in mind, a majority of you would prefer them for their inherent stability, smoothness, and crisp operation.
I don't get why anyone would like one of the worst and cheapest keyboard designs. Key stability doesn't really matter when you are repeatedly bashing little flimsy chiclet keys into a hard surface.
Although you may find out you would like Kailh's low-profile "chocolate bar" switches much better than a rubber dome scissor. Jade would probably be your favorite due to lighter weight and sharp tactility.
I have choc switches. They are a decent low-profile switch, but kaihua scissors are superior, which is why kaihua developed them in the first place.Electromechanical engineer here with diverse experience miniaturization of complex electromechanical assemblies...
I literally created an account just to say this.
Scissor Switches are by far the best switch design
The only reason why this isn't apparent is because a vast majority of scissor switches are developed to be as compact as possible. The fact that the community is not pursuing a 4mm performance scissor switch is a travesty.
I assure you, if one were designed and manufactured with your needs in mind, a majority of you would prefer them for their inherent stability, smoothness, and crisp operation.
I don't get why anyone would like one of the worst and cheapest keyboard designs. Key stability doesn't really matter when you are repeatedly bashing little flimsy chiclet keys into a hard surface.
Although you may find out you would like Kailh's low-profile "chocolate bar" switches much better than a rubber dome scissor. Jade would probably be your favorite due to lighter weight and sharp tactility.
Scissor switches are actually quite a bit more expensive to develop and produce. The only reason why you don't have a lot of high quality examples of scissor switches is that the design didn't gain traction until after keyboards were commoditized. I can assure you that a full travel scissor switch designed and produced with the same performance goals as high end slider switches would outperform them. The design simply has fewer drawbacks.
Electromechanical engineer here with diverse experience miniaturization of complex electromechanical assemblies...
I literally created an account just to say this.
Scissor Switches are by far the best switch design
The only reason why this isn't apparent is because a vast majority of scissor switches are developed to be as compact as possible. The fact that the community is not pursuing a 4mm performance scissor switch is a travesty.
I assure you, if one were designed and manufactured with your needs in mind, a majority of you would prefer them for their inherent stability, smoothness, and crisp operation.
Electromechanical engineer here with diverse experience miniaturization of complex electromechanical assemblies...
I literally created an account just to say this.
Scissor Switches are by far the best switch design
The only reason why this isn't apparent is because a vast majority of scissor switches are developed to be as compact as possible. The fact that the community is not pursuing a 4mm performance scissor switch is a travesty.
I assure you, if one were designed and manufactured with your needs in mind, a majority of you would prefer them for their inherent stability, smoothness, and crisp operation.
Is there such a thing as a capacitive sensing scissor switch? That would be interesting.
The only reason why this isn't apparent is because a vast majority of scissor switches are developed to be as compact as possible. The fact that the community is not pursuing a 4mm performance scissor switch is a travesty.Scissors with up to 3.2 mm travel exist. Really nice, yes. (Logitech PerfectStroke)
Is there such a thing as a capacitive sensing scissor switch? That would be interesting.The minimal TextBlade (https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=67682.0) was ... but not really. It used one physical scissor-key for three (or six) keys. In the bottom of each key assembly, there were three (or six) capacitive sensors that sensed the proximity of the user's finger-tip as it pressed down in one of three (or six) positions on the key surface.
The only reason why this isn't apparent is because a vast majority of scissor switches are developed to be as compact as possible. The fact that the community is not pursuing a 4mm performance scissor switch is a travesty.Scissors with up to 3.2 mm travel exist. Really nice, yes. (Logitech PerfectStroke)
But there are several of variables here, and a long way from idea to practice. Sliders are often stable enough, well-known and robust.
Scissor legs tend to break easily, even on the somewhat thicker legs on the 3.2 mm switch.
The community here does not build switches on its own, at least not entirely new switches.
Many ideas have been proposed, but the barriers for a hobbyist to start manufacturing something like that with high-precision are simply too high.
Some ideas for slider variants have been picked up by mainstream manufacturers and sold as custom. Some springs have been replaced. Some lubrication. That's it. That's what Zeal PC, Input.Club, Massdrop and Kbdfans have done.
Maybe switches with a combination of slider and a single stabiliser (scissors are two stabilisers) would be the future. Some low-profile Kailh switches have them, as well as Bloody LK Libra (full size). Longer keys on Topre also have the stabiliser inside the switch, stabilising the single slider making swapping keys much easier.
I find it somewhat unfortunate, however, that Cherry MX mount has become so prolific. Nowadays, if a switch is to become popular it would need to be Cherry MX keycap-compatible.Is there such a thing as a capacitive sensing scissor switch? That would be interesting.The minimal TextBlade (https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=67682.0) was ... but not really. It used one physical scissor-key for three (or six) keys. In the bottom of each key assembly, there were three (or six) capacitive sensors that sensed the proximity of the user's finger-tip as it pressed down in one of three (or six) positions on the key surface.
The company was a disaster. I don't think they shipped any products. (Read the end of the thread)
The best of all worlds would be a Hall Effect Space Invader... If only they existed.Care to elaborate?
Extreme key stability, full travel, and reliability.The best of all worlds would be a Hall Effect Space Invader... If only they existed.Care to elaborate?
Carpal tunnel syndrome did not exist when people were taught how to type correctly.That's not an opinion. That's simply ignorant.
Carpal tunnel syndrome did not exist when people were taught how to type correctly.That's not an opinion. That's simply ignorant.
White Alps are better than Blue Alps.
The best Model M you can get is a brand new Unicomp Ultra Classic.
The best Model M you can get is a brand new Unicomp Ultra Classic.
I don't know what bothers me more: that I agree with the second statement or that Unicomp doesn't make an SSK alternative.
I have always been mystified by unicomps. They have the sole right to produce the most iconic keyboard of all time. They even have original tooling. How do you screw that up?
The best Model M you can get is a brand new Unicomp Ultra Classic.
I don't know what bothers me more: that I agree with the second statement or that Unicomp doesn't make an SSK alternative.
The only way I can reconcile that thought in my brain is to assume you haven't tried a good vintage M (since individual specimens vary). Granted, I've only used one Unicomp, but it was such an atrocity that I sent it back for a refund. Model Ms from the '80s are much sturdier and the switch feel is great (as opposed to the Unicomp that felt like scraping a knife against a chalkboard). I do have a spare Unicomp barrel frame that didn't feel as bad when I put caps on it, but still not nearly as good as a vintage one, so maybe my Unicomp was just a lemon.
Tooling needs maintenance, maintenance needs people, people need a salary. Just a thought about why.
How do you screw that up?
All-metal cases sound dull and dead. Plastic echoes sound much better.
All-metal cases sound dull and dead. Plastic echoes sound much better.
I agree. I think this is why so many large brass instruments are made of plastic.
All-metal cases sound dull and dead. Plastic echoes sound much better.
I agree. I think this is why so many large brass instruments are made of plastic.
Sarcasm?
How do you screw that up?
They didn't. Unicomp is a good company, but they have let quality control erode.
Haters are constantly complaining, but Unicomp is still putting out a solid, durable product.
How do you screw that up?
They didn't. Unicomp is a good company, but they have let quality control erode.
Haters are constantly complaining, but Unicomp is still putting out a solid, durable product.
If that were true, we would not be having this conversation.
They changed the product. Those changes made the product less solid and durable. They bought the rights to a winning formula and then changed the formula to make it not winning.
If that's not screwing up, I don't know what is.
If Unicomp could refresh their tooling I'm sure they would.Has anyone asked them how much money they'd need? Maybe we could collect.
If Unicomp could refresh their tooling I'm sure they would.Has anyone asked them how much money they'd need? Maybe we could collect.
I'm in.If Unicomp could refresh their tooling I'm sure they would.Has anyone asked them how much money they'd need? Maybe we could collect.
iirc, the tooling needs to be replaced. So however many tens of thousands or hundreds of thousands (?) of USD that would take. A Unicomp SSK kickstarter would be neat.
Tens of thousands, perhaps, certainly not hundreds.If Unicomp could refresh their tooling I'm sure they would.Has anyone asked them how much money they'd need? Maybe we could collect.
iirc, the tooling needs to be replaced. So however many tens of thousands or hundreds of thousands (?) of USD that would take. A Unicomp SSK kickstarter would be neat.
Tens of thousands, perhaps, certainly not hundreds.If Unicomp could refresh their tooling I'm sure they would.Has anyone asked them how much money they'd need? Maybe we could collect.
iirc, the tooling needs to be replaced. So however many tens of thousands or hundreds of thousands (?) of USD that would take. A Unicomp SSK kickstarter would be neat.
Electromechanical engineer here with diverse experience miniaturization of complex electromechanical assemblies...
I literally created an account just to say this.
Scissor Switches are by far the best switch design
The only reason why this isn't apparent is because a vast majority of scissor switches are developed to be as compact as possible. The fact that the community is not pursuing a 4mm performance scissor switch is a travesty.
I assure you, if one were designed and manufactured with your needs in mind, a majority of you would prefer them for their inherent stability, smoothness, and crisp operation.
Well, I think that assertion assumes that I believe that old worn-out tooling is the primary issue. I do not believe that. I believe they either lack the know-how or the motivation to make the most of what they have. It's probably a bit of both.Tens of thousands, perhaps, certainly not hundreds.If Unicomp could refresh their tooling I'm sure they would.Has anyone asked them how much money they'd need? Maybe we could collect.
iirc, the tooling needs to be replaced. So however many tens of thousands or hundreds of thousands (?) of USD that would take. A Unicomp SSK kickstarter would be neat.
Curious. You ask how Unicomp can screw up their product that they make with the 'original tooling', and yet you obviously understand the underlying reason as to why the quality has regressed.
Well, I think that assertion assumes that I believe that old worn-out tooling is the primary issue. I do not believe that. I believe they either lack the know-how or the motivation to make the most of what they have. It's probably a bit of both.Tens of thousands, perhaps, certainly not hundreds.If Unicomp could refresh their tooling I'm sure they would.Has anyone asked them how much money they'd need? Maybe we could collect.
iirc, the tooling needs to be replaced. So however many tens of thousands or hundreds of thousands (?) of USD that would take. A Unicomp SSK kickstarter would be neat.
Curious. You ask how Unicomp can screw up their product that they make with the 'original tooling', and yet you obviously understand the underlying reason as to why the quality has regressed.
Electromechanical engineer here with diverse experience miniaturization of complex electromechanical assemblies...
I literally created an account just to say this.
Scissor Switches are by far the best switch design
The only reason why this isn't apparent is because a vast majority of scissor switches are developed to be as compact as possible. The fact that the community is not pursuing a 4mm performance scissor switch is a travesty.
I assure you, if one were designed and manufactured with your needs in mind, a majority of you would prefer them for their inherent stability, smoothness, and crisp operation.
...have since switched to a Logitech Illuminated Keyboard k740. I do not particularly feel much of a speed difference between the two keyboards, although the Das Keyboard probably did feel better to type with.
not sure what you're getting at, since you didn't point it out, but if you're referring to my lack of capital letters and loose regard for punctuation, you'd be wrong. i touch type, have touched typed for decades, and aim for 99% accuracy. i'll have you know, it took me years after joining a gaming company to undo what i had learned, but i find i can't manage both styles (caps vs no caps) and using proper punctuation makes me seem like a prudeOh no, I'm sorry. I should have been more specific. I wasn't commenting on your typing at all but rather that the fastest typist known to man doesn't seem to care what kind of board he types on as opposed to a huge portion of mechanical keyboard enthusiasts who are very particular about their hardware but terrible typists.
however, if that was just a tangent out of the blue, i agree. the guy who did keyboard.io said he didn't know how to touch type until he tried making his own keyboard. sean wrona technically can't touch type! i imagine this number only increases as people learn to type on their own and don't take typing classes. that was me for about my first decade of typing, but then when i got old enough to work, i got a job as a data entry clerk and had plenty of time to learn to touch type >.<
Two years of HS typing classes (A's) and I still spacebar with my left hand :))Err, aren't you supposed to?
Two years of HS typing classes (A's) and I still spacebar with my left hand :))Err, aren't you supposed to?
I was taught to hit spacebar with left thumb.Two years of HS typing classes (A's) and I still spacebar with my left hand :))Err, aren't you supposed to?
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I was taught to hit spacebar with left thumb.
Proper technique...
Always use space bar with right thumb
NEVER use Right-shift, EVER, always shift with left shift.
Always use space bar with right thumb
NEVER use Right-shift, EVER, always shift with left shift.[/color][/size]
The best Model M you can get is a brand new Unicomp Ultra Classic.
I don't know what bothers me more: that I agree with the second statement or that Unicomp doesn't make an SSK alternative.
The only way I can reconcile that thought in my brain is to assume you haven't tried a good vintage M (since individual specimens vary). Granted, I've only used one Unicomp, but it was such an atrocity that I sent it back for a refund. Model Ms from the '80s are much sturdier and the switch feel is great (as opposed to the Unicomp that felt like scraping a knife against a chalkboard). I do have a spare Unicomp barrel frame that didn't feel as bad when I put caps on it, but still not nearly as good as a vintage one, so maybe my Unicomp was just a lemon.
Proper technique...
Always use space bar with right thumb
NEVER use Right-shift, EVER, always shift with left shift.
I never heard that in typing class. I don't remember ever being given any instructions on how to use the space bar, and I ended up hitting it with either thumb more-or-less at random. When I switched to split-spacebar keyboards it didn't take long to learn hitting space with my right thumb and backspace with my left thumb. To me it's a big improvement over reaching waaay up to the corner and groping around for backspace with my pinkie!
We were taught in typing class, very specifically, to always use the shift key opposite the letter we were shifting. If typing a letter with the left hand, use right-shift. If typing a letter with the right hand, use left-shift. To me this seems so obvious that I didn't even think about it being possible to do another way. You want to try and hit two keys at the same time with one hand? Madness!
Proper technique...
Always use space bar with right thumb
NEVER use Right-shift, EVER, always shift with left shift.
I never heard that in typing class. I don't remember ever being given any instructions on how to use the space bar, and I ended up hitting it with either thumb more-or-less at random. When I switched to split-spacebar keyboards it didn't take long to learn hitting space with my right thumb and backspace with my left thumb. To me it's a big improvement over reaching waaay up to the corner and groping around for backspace with my pinkie!
We were taught in typing class, very specifically, to always use the shift key opposite the letter we were shifting. If typing a letter with the left hand, use right-shift. If typing a letter with the right hand, use left-shift. To me this seems so obvious that I didn't even think about it being possible to do another way. You want to try and hit two keys at the same time with one hand? Madness!
I never heard that in typing class. I don't remember ever being given any instructions on how to use the space bar, and I ended up hitting it with either thumb more-or-less at random. When I switched to split-spacebar keyboards it didn't take long to learn hitting space with my right thumb and backspace with my left thumb. To me it's a big improvement over reaching waaay up to the corner and groping around for backspace with my pinkie!
We were taught in typing class, very specifically, to always use the shift key opposite the letter we were shifting. If typing a letter with the left hand, use right-shift. If typing a letter with the right hand, use left-shift. To me this seems so obvious that I didn't even think about it being possible to do another way. You want to try and hit two keys at the same time with one hand? Madness!
Nice, I do all those things. Maybe one day I can become typing master.
I never heard that in typing class. I don't remember ever being given any instructions on how to use the space bar, and I ended up hitting it with either thumb more-or-less at random. When I switched to split-spacebar keyboards it didn't take long to learn hitting space with my right thumb and backspace with my left thumb. To me it's a big improvement over reaching waaay up to the corner and groping around for backspace with my pinkie!
We were taught in typing class, very specifically, to always use the shift key opposite the letter we were shifting. If typing a letter with the left hand, use right-shift. If typing a letter with the right hand, use left-shift. To me this seems so obvious that I didn't even think about it being possible to do another way. You want to try and hit two keys at the same time with one hand? Madness!
Typing class is like Gym class.. It's an introductory..
The Teacher most likely has a very low lvl of Typing-Mastery.. Even compared to Scrubs on ol'Gekha..
While it's true that there is no absolute right/wrong way to type, we are trying to weigh the habits of the faster typers.
Such as, Right-Thumb Space, Left Shift ONLY, Ring-Finger ' Q ' ,
Right-Thumb SpaceCheck.
Check.
Left Shift ONLY,
No way.
Ring-Finger ' Q '
No way.
Ring-Finger ' Q '
The best Model M you can get is a brand new Unicomp Ultra Classic.
I don't know what bothers me more: that I agree with the second statement or that Unicomp doesn't make an SSK alternative.
The only way I can reconcile that thought in my brain is to assume you haven't tried a good vintage M (since individual specimens vary). Granted, I've only used one Unicomp, but it was such an atrocity that I sent it back for a refund. Model Ms from the '80s are much sturdier and the switch feel is great (as opposed to the Unicomp that felt like scraping a knife against a chalkboard). I do have a spare Unicomp barrel frame that didn't feel as bad when I put caps on it, but still not nearly as good as a vintage one, so maybe my Unicomp was just a lemon.
I'm curious, have you tried a recent (2014 or later) Unicomp? They have a somewhat lighter, crisper feel than previous Model Ms. I've tried a few other Model Ms, but none of them feel as light as the 2014 EnduraPro and 2016 Ultra Classic I've tried. It's a bit closer to the feel of a Model F, IMO, though the Model F is still distinctly different.
It's pebble and pearl.
1. Why do Retro-style Keycap sets like Godspeed and others exist in so many bland variations? They're as exciting as vanilla ice cream.
2. White ABS keycaps. Who cares if they're double shot for longevity when they'll look like piss in a decade from the yellowing.
3. Why do people use arrow keys and the navigation cluster? It's the equivalent of..well... you are a keyboard turner if you use arrows.Don’t have to reach as far as to the mouse when navigating spreadsheets.
I only use my right thumb to space. There is so much wasted real-estate space on a keyboard. The profiles could be made significantly smaller with a space bar of only 2.5 units. It would also weigh less (more responsive) and have less wobble. This would also quiet down that empty clack of the space bar. These all contribute to an overall feeling of quality in the board. Any board with ABS caps that I have owned for years has developed a 1cm patch of shininess on the spacebar from my right thumb. I don't know why this design has not caught on in todays keyboard climate.
Until very recently the split spacebar was patented. Anybody wanting to produce a keyboard with split spacebar had to pay a royalty on it, and of course nobody was willing to do that. Maybe now that the patent has expired this idea can start to make some inroads.
Until very recently the split spacebar was patented. Anybody wanting to produce a keyboard with split spacebar had to pay a royalty on it, and of course nobody was willing to do that. Maybe now that the patent has expired this idea can start to make some inroads.
Really? Who held/holds the patent?
3. Why do people use arrow keys and the navigation cluster? It's the equivalent of..well... you are a keyboard turner if you use arrows.
4. Why does the menu cap exist? Do people not utilize the right click on a mouse? Why would you cycle through every option in a menu with tab when you could go directly to it and click.
3. Why do people use arrow keys and the navigation cluster? It's the equivalent of..well... you are a keyboard turner if you use arrows.3: Text editor power-users use them a lot. If you are used to Mac/Windows-style editors, as opposed to emacs or vi. Each key does something with Shift, and in good text editors most do stuff with Ctrl or even Alt as well.
4. Why does the menu cap exist? Do people not utilize the right click on a mouse? Why would you cycle through every option in a menu with tab when you could go directly to it and click.
3. Why do people use arrow keys and the navigation cluster? It's the equivalent of..well... you are a keyboard turner if you use arrows.
does anyone else hit spacebar with their right index finger instead of thumb?
i'd like to say that i'm not that bad of a typist otherwise, i average 100wpm
Alice got a gap tooth smile
Alice got a gap tooth smile
Kinda stating the obvious here..
Alice got a gap tooth smile
Kinda stating the obvious here..
She a butterface :rolleyes:
Alice got a gap tooth smile
Kinda stating the obvious here..
She a butterface :rolleyes:
That didn't go the way I expected :confused:
Alice got a gap tooth smile
Kinda stating the obvious here..
She a butterface :rolleyes:
Alice got a gap tooth smile
Kinda stating the obvious here..
She a butterface :rolleyes:
Read somewhere that butterface is extremely offensive.
something about, how it not only disparages someone's face, but also calls attention to their insecurity and or vanity for having made the best out of the rest of it.
Even though, in earnest, they're just playing the hand..
Probably super unpopular opinion incoming:
I think mx clone/meme switches are all crap. They are all frankenstein like creations and they feel like it. Since I got a K-Type, I've been hotswapping them like crazy for the past 6 months. Cherrystotles, Zeliostotles, Holy Chickies, Holy Skies and Holy Pandas (I only have 6x Pandas though because holy cow the price).
I have clipped and unclipped Halo clear stems. I hate unclipped holy meme switches. The stem is tall enough to prematurely slam into all non Kailh switch housings. The sensation is like jamming an eraser into a sharp end of a pencil and then slamming the pencil blunt end down onto a desk. Clip the stems and you get a proper sounding bottom out but they never felt consistent (which is to be expected I suppose).
I hate using the Kailh switch housings for anything because Kailh has some problem with measuring things and many of them are extremely ill fitting on a K-Type plate (which has consistency problems but bog standard cherry switch housings mostly fit just fine).
Aristotle meme switches? They are more inconsistent than pre-retooled MX Blues and some of them have that MX Blue rattle from the click jacket rebounding except worse because they are Aristotles. The entire switch may as well be made out of cheese and the stems + click jackets are no different, regardless of the interesting design. If I was to ever go back to clicky switches, I wouldn't use anything remotely similar to MX Blue anyway and the Kailh click bar dream died along with my keycaps so thats a no go too.
I ended up coming full circle and swapped back to lubed, retooled MX Browns. They are better than any of the tactile meme switches I've tried. They don't misbehave with the light spring weight which I need to get through the worst data entry apocalpse days. They bottom out properly and consistently and they also sound good (when lubed anyway since the spring noise is irritating). The tactile event is tiny but I never felt anything about them was unpleasant or offensive. I still type the fastest on MX Browns.
I have come to realize that MX Browns and me are like some kind of perpetually failing but never quite failed marriage. After so many years of thinking theres better elsewhere, I found there really isn't and I keep coming back to my fat, balding faithful man, even if the latest tactile hotness has abs so chiselled they practically snap leaf springs as they slide down their greased up poles.
1. Paying over $100 for a Model M is absolutely ridiculous.(Got mine for 30 at VCF East)
2. Cherry MX Reds are the single worst switch I have ever used.
Aristotle meme switches? They are more inconsistent than pre-retooled MX Blues and some of them have that MX Blue rattle from the click jacket rebounding except worse because they are Aristotles. The entire switch may as well be made out of cheese and the stems + click jackets are no different, regardless of the interesting design. If I was to ever go back to clicky switches, I wouldn't use anything remotely similar to MX Blue anyway and the Kailh click bar dream died along with my keycaps so thats a no go too.
Probably been said before, but I think that GMK is overhyped
Probably been said before, but I think that GMK is overhyped
every cherry style switch (including all modern clones like kailh) other than vintage black, brown, and clear suck
every cherry style switch (including all modern clones like kailh) other than vintage black, brown, and clear suck
no luv for the feelios?
Been a while since I chimed in here.
Current unpopular opinion: Romer-Gs are my favorite switch at the moment. Enough to make me forget about ABS caps
Let's hear them.
I'll start off.
1. I hate 60% boards, and rarely use my Poker 2. The lack of arrow keys kills me, and I can never be productive or get serious work done on one.
2. I think HHKB boards are overrated, and the layout dumber than a Poker. I think custom MX, HHKB layout boards are just as stupid (Viper, Happy).
3. I think Topre is overrated, and lower quality than MX (despite the higher price) as the board tends to get stiffer over time.
4) -ealios are way overpriced and overhyped. The price is way too high per switch considering its just a Gateron custom, and I don't feel like you get what you pay for. I've tried 3 different rounds of different Zealios, and I could feel and hear the inconsistencies per switch. I think I needed roughly 100+ switches to get 84 consistent ones in sound. Very disappointed.
4) -ealios are way overpriced and overhyped. The price is way too high per switch considering its just a Gateron custom, and I don't feel like you get what you pay for. I've tried 3 different rounds of different Zealios, and I could feel and hear the inconsistencies per switch. I think I needed roughly 100+ switches to get 84 consistent ones in sound. Very disappointed.
I'll throw in mine:
The closest thing to Zealios I've tried are MX Browns, so my opionion of those purple things is: To me, Browns feel like slightly heavier Reds when typing. Given that Zealios share the same tactility principle as Browns, I'd guess you could get away with retooled Blacks and the typing experience would be almost the same.
The bump on Zealios is much more pronounced than MX Browns. Zealios definitely do not feel like linears, but they don't feel tactile enough for me, which I think is partly because they are so smooth, causing less resistance.
The world does not need yet another custom sub-full-size keyboard case. I think we’ve done 60-65% and TKL cases to death now, and it is time to try something different and challenging: custom full-size 104/108 alu cases. Oh, and be a doll and offer them in white; silver/gray is equivalent to not even trying.Completely agree!
Probably super unpopular opinion incoming:
I think mx clone/meme switches are all crap. They are all frankenstein like creations and they feel like it. Since I got a K-Type, I've been hotswapping them like crazy for the past 6 months. Cherrystotles, Zeliostotles, Holy Chickies, Holy Skies and Holy Pandas (I only have 6x Pandas though because holy cow the price).
I have clipped and unclipped Halo clear stems. I hate unclipped holy meme switches. The stem is tall enough to prematurely slam into all non Kailh switch housings. The sensation is like jamming an eraser into a sharp end of a pencil and then slamming the pencil blunt end down onto a desk. Clip the stems and you get a proper sounding bottom out but they never felt consistent (which is to be expected I suppose).
I hate using the Kailh switch housings for anything because Kailh has some problem with measuring things and many of them are extremely ill fitting on a K-Type plate (which has consistency problems but bog standard cherry switch housings mostly fit just fine).
Aristotle meme switches? They are more inconsistent than pre-retooled MX Blues and some of them have that MX Blue rattle from the click jacket rebounding except worse because they are Aristotles. The entire switch may as well be made out of cheese and the stems + click jackets are no different, regardless of the interesting design. If I was to ever go back to clicky switches, I wouldn't use anything remotely similar to MX Blue anyway and the Kailh click bar dream died along with my keycaps so thats a no go too.
I ended up coming full circle and swapped back to lubed, retooled MX Browns. They are better than any of the tactile meme switches I've tried. They don't misbehave with the light spring weight which I need to get through the worst data entry apocalpse days. They bottom out properly and consistently and they also sound good (when lubed anyway since the spring noise is irritating). The tactile event is tiny but I never felt anything about them was unpleasant or offensive. I still type the fastest on MX Browns.
I have come to realize that MX Browns and me are like some kind of perpetually failing but never quite failed marriage. After so many years of thinking theres better elsewhere, I found there really isn't and I keep coming back to my fat, balding faithful man, even if the latest tactile hotness has abs so chiselled they practically snap leaf springs as they slide down their greased up poles.
I hate 60% boards, and rarely use my Poker 2. The lack of arrow keys kills me, and I can never be productive or get serious work done on one.
If Planck keyboards were horses, a good cowboy would have to shoot them.
The world does not need yet another custom sub-full-size keyboard case. I think we’ve done 60-65% and TKL cases to death now, and it is time to try something different and challenging: custom full-size 104/108 alu cases. Oh, and be a doll and offer them in white; silver/gray is equivalent to not even trying.
75% is the best layout and deserves more love.
75% is the best layout and deserves more love.
yes, but with iso option.
Full size hyyype!
Unpopular opinion:no u
I can’t believe this thread is allowed to exist. It stands against of the very spirit of this forum.
The whole point of this hobby, this forum, of getting a custom keyboard, is to finally have a keyboard *just for you*. Everything from the case to the switch and layout and keycaps and etc was decided by you to satisfy you and you alone.
Which is to say, who are you to come in and look down on other people for not liking things that you like? OF COURSE something that was designed from the get go to fit someone’s personal preferences would not be for you. That’s the whole point of building a custom keyboard.
In other words, stop being so judgmental, jeez.
I can’t believe this thread is allowed to exist. It stands against of the very spirit of this forum.Nah. You misunderstand. The point of this thread is to speak your mind and not be judgemental against those who speak their minds.
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Which is to say, who are you to come in and look down on other people for not liking things that you like?
Unpopular opinion:
I can’t believe this thread is allowed to exist. It stands against of the very spirit of this forum.
The whole point of this hobby, this forum, of getting a custom keyboard, is to finally have a keyboard *just for you*. Everything from the case to the switch and layout and keycaps and etc was decided by you to satisfy you and you alone.
Which is to say, who are you to come in and look down on other people for not liking things that you like? OF COURSE something that was designed from the get go to fit someone’s personal preferences would not be for you. That’s the whole point of building a custom keyboard.
In other words, stop being so judgmental, jeez.
Yah MX blues suck cock. Razer greens tho? Mmmmmmmmmmm that’s some good ****.Unpopular opinion:
I can’t believe this thread is allowed to exist. It stands against of the very spirit of this forum.
The whole point of this hobby, this forum, of getting a custom keyboard, is to finally have a keyboard *just for you*. Everything from the case to the switch and layout and keycaps and etc was decided by you to satisfy you and you alone.
Which is to say, who are you to come in and look down on other people for not liking things that you like? OF COURSE something that was designed from the get go to fit someone’s personal preferences would not be for you. That’s the whole point of building a custom keyboard.
In other words, stop being so judgmental, jeez.
This hobby is not about building custom keyboards alone. Thanks for remembering us old farts who just want to ride on the most kick ass vintage boards they can get their hands on and then talk crap about sh**ty modern switches that are typed on by d*ckfingers with asses for ears who think MX blues sound good and there's some character to MX browns.
On a more serious note, I think this thread is a good way to let some steam out and vent a bit if there's something one finds frustrating about the trends of the hobby or the community or whatever it is that's bugging one at the moment.
Yah MX blues suck cock. Razer greens tho? Mmmmmmmmmmm thats some good ****.
Probably super unpopular opinion incoming:
I think mx clone/meme switches are all crap. They are all frankenstein like creations and they feel like it. Since I got a K-Type, I've been hotswapping them like crazy for the past 6 months. Cherrystotles, Zeliostotles, Holy Chickies, Holy Skies and Holy Pandas (I only have 6x Pandas though because holy cow the price).
I have clipped and unclipped Halo clear stems. I hate unclipped holy meme switches. The stem is tall enough to prematurely slam into all non Kailh switch housings. The sensation is like jamming an eraser into a sharp end of a pencil and then slamming the pencil blunt end down onto a desk. Clip the stems and you get a proper sounding bottom out but they never felt consistent (which is to be expected I suppose).
I hate using the Kailh switch housings for anything because Kailh has some problem with measuring things and many of them are extremely ill fitting on a K-Type plate (which has consistency problems but bog standard cherry switch housings mostly fit just fine).
Aristotle meme switches? They are more inconsistent than pre-retooled MX Blues and some of them have that MX Blue rattle from the click jacket rebounding except worse because they are Aristotles. The entire switch may as well be made out of cheese and the stems + click jackets are no different, regardless of the interesting design. If I was to ever go back to clicky switches, I wouldn't use anything remotely similar to MX Blue anyway and the Kailh click bar dream died along with my keycaps so thats a no go too.
I ended up coming full circle and swapped back to lubed, retooled MX Browns. They are better than any of the tactile meme switches I've tried. They don't misbehave with the light spring weight which I need to get through the worst data entry apocalpse days. They bottom out properly and consistently and they also sound good (when lubed anyway since the spring noise is irritating). The tactile event is tiny but I never felt anything about them was unpleasant or offensive. I still type the fastest on MX Browns.
I have come to realize that MX Browns and me are like some kind of perpetually failing but never quite failed marriage. After so many years of thinking theres better elsewhere, I found there really isn't and I keep coming back to my fat, balding faithful man, even if the latest tactile hotness has abs so chiselled they practically snap leaf springs as they slide down their greased up poles.
The whole point of this hobby, this forum, of getting a custom keyboard, is to finally have a keyboard *just for you*. Everything from the case to the switch and layout and keycaps and etc was decided by you to satisfy you and you alone.
Which is to say, who are you to come in and look down on other people for not liking things that you like? OF COURSE something that was designed from the get go to fit someone’s personal preferences would not be for you. That’s the whole point of building a custom keyboard.
Damn, should I take my Realforce and Model Ms off my signature because they miss the whole point of this hobby and this forum?
Damn, should I take my Realforce and Model Ms off my signature because they miss the whole point of this hobby and this forum?
Also, no Alps!
This might be unpopular:
Mid-90's Lexmark and IBM-Greenock made Model Ms feel and sound better than IBM-Made 80's-early 90's Model Ms. My 2019 Unicomp Ultra Classic feels and sounds as good as any of my other Model Ms.
This might be unpopular:
Mid-90's Lexmark and IBM-Greenock made Model Ms feel and sound better than IBM-Made 80's-early 90's Model Ms. My 2019 Unicomp Ultra Classic feels and sounds as good as any of my other Model Ms.
OOOOOWWWWWWWW....... out of all the comments in this thread, this right here is the real deal.
If you need to lube your switches, you chose the wrong switches.That's quite the claim
If you need to lube your switches, you chose the wrong switches.
If you need to lube your switches, you chose the wrong switches.
Wrong! Everything is better with lube.
Also - an ideal spacebar should sound like an earthquake, not like bubble wrap.
Also - an ideal spacebar should sound like an earthquake, not like bubble wrap.
Speaking of which - unlubed switches sound better than lubed ones.
Clicky switches are just wrong.
Clicky switches are just wrong.
If you need to hear a click to know that the keystroke registered then it's bad.
Just like if your keyboard would bip each time a keystroke register.
Tactility should provide you that info.
Let me rephrase it: Clicky switches, in a switch that does not need a click as part of the operational design, are an affectation.
That captures all MX-style clicky switches, where the click adds complexity (and frankly sounds like tinny crap) but no function, but the clicks from BS are an integral part of the mechanism (and sound a lot better).
I think you guys are too willing to pay overs for custom keyboards.
Clicky switches are just wrong.
If you need to hear a click to know that the keystroke registered then it's bad.
Just like if your keyboard would bip each time a keystroke register.
Tactility should provide you that info.
1. Paying over $100 for a Model M is absolutely ridiculous.(Got mine for 30 at VCF East)
2. Cherry MX Reds are the single worst switch I have ever used.
I don't hate clicky switches, but I think his point is that the audible feedback can feel somewhat redundant. Most clicky switches already provide a good deal of tactility, so the audible feedback may seem unnecessary to some. Also, loud, clicky keyboards' association with a bygone era may contribute to some people's impression of clickiness being antiquated/pointless.Clicky switches are just wrong.
If you need to hear a click to know that the keystroke registered then it's bad.
Just like if your keyboard would bip each time a keystroke register.
Tactility should provide you that info.
Well, i could say the same for tactility.
If i need to feel a bump that the keystroke registered then it's bad.
Just like if your keyboard would feel a slight bump each time a keystroke would register.
Audible feedback should provide you that info.
- From a usability perspective (not customizability), non-standard bottom rows are better than standard. Why would you need a 1.5u Windows key?
I don't hate clicky switches, but I think his point is that the audible feedback can feel somewhat redundant. Most clicky switches already provide a good deal of tactility, so the audible feedback may seem unnecessary to some. Also, loud, clicky keyboards' association with a bygone era may contribute to some people's impression of clickiness being antiquated/pointless.Clicky switches are just wrong.
If you need to hear a click to know that the keystroke registered then it's bad.
Just like if your keyboard would bip each time a keystroke register.
Tactility should provide you that info.
Well, i could say the same for tactility.
If i need to feel a bump that the keystroke registered then it's bad.
Just like if your keyboard would feel a slight bump each time a keystroke would register.
Audible feedback should provide you that info.
With that said, it's worth considering that for some switches, the mechanism that generates the click is crucial to the how the switch generates tactility. Box clicky switches are a good example. The sharp tactile response of box navies, jades, etc. isn't really replicable in other non-clicky box switches because the click bar is responsible for that tactility. You can make a switch tactile without making it click, but it won't necessarily feel the same way.
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I don't have many unpopular opinions but I do have one very strong opinion that is keyboard related.
Flipped spacebar is one of the worst things that anyone has ever come up with. It just looks bad. I am a strong believer that if you feel like your spacebar is digging into your thumb, then your wrists are probably too low when you are typing.
- From a usability perspective (not customizability), non-standard bottom rows are better than standard. Why would you need a 1.5u Windows key?
From usability perspective: non-standard bottom rows are bad. Space bar is not centered to the position of your hands (thumbs). Standard bottom row has space bar right: center of the space bar is on line to the gap between G and H keys.
I don't have many unpopular opinions but I do have one very strong opinion that is keyboard related.
Flipped spacebar is one of the worst things that anyone has ever come up with. It just looks bad. I am a strong believer that if you feel like your spacebar is digging into your thumb, then your wrists are probably too low when you are typing.
I don't have many unpopular opinions but I do have one very strong opinion that is keyboard related.
Flipped spacebar is one of the worst things that anyone has ever come up with. It just looks bad. I am a strong believer that if you feel like your spacebar is digging into your thumb, then your wrists are probably too low when you are typing.
I don't have many unpopular opinions but I do have one very strong opinion that is keyboard related.
Flipped spacebar is one of the worst things that anyone has ever come up with. It just looks bad. I am a strong believer that if you feel like your spacebar is digging into your thumb, then your wrists are probably too low when you are typing.
That's probably because Cherry profile spacebar is the worst spacebar profile commonly available, so people had to invent this horrible workaround, that's just how bad it is. I have no problems typing on SA or DSA spacebar but can't for the life of me not hit the edge of Cherry spacebar. Long fingers also amplify the problem.
I don't have many unpopular opinions but I do have one very strong opinion that is keyboard related.
Flipped spacebar is one of the worst things that anyone has ever come up with. It just looks bad. I am a strong believer that if you feel like your spacebar is digging into your thumb, then your wrists are probably too low when you are typing.
I don't have many unpopular opinions but I do have one very strong opinion that is keyboard related.
Flipped spacebar is one of the worst things that anyone has ever come up with. It just looks bad. I am a strong believer that if you feel like your spacebar is digging into your thumb, then your wrists are probably too low when you are typing.
Flipped spacebar looks weird, and it hurts to type because of how stiff it is. Ow! :(
I don't have many unpopular opinions but I do have one very strong opinion that is keyboard related.
Flipped spacebar is one of the worst things that anyone has ever come up with. It just looks bad. I am a strong believer that if you feel like your spacebar is digging into your thumb, then your wrists are probably too low when you are typing.
I've never been a fan of flipped spacebars either, I think it looks horrendous on a board & like you said if the spacebar is digging into your thumbs get a wrist rest.
I thought it was mostly a fashion statement.
I don't have many unpopular opinions but I do have one very strong opinion that is keyboard related.
Flipped spacebar is one of the worst things that anyone has ever come up with. It just looks bad. I am a strong believer that if you feel like your spacebar is digging into your thumb, then your wrists are probably too low when you are typing.
I've never been a fan of flipped spacebars either, I think it looks horrendous on a board & like you said if the spacebar is digging into your thumbs get a wrist rest.I thought it was mostly a fashion statement.When will ya'll understand true nirvana?
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There is no "home row", it only exists in your mind to rectify your dumb keyboard layout.Yeah, alright guy
There is no "home row", it only exists in your mind to rectify your dumb keyboard layout.
All artisans look like trash :rolleyes:
All artisans look like trash :rolleyes:
GMK Necro is a fantastic set.
Plastic keyboards often sound better than aluminum ones.
Maxkeys SA sets are on par with SP in terms of quality (at least they are now).
I don't have many unpopular opinions but I do have one very strong opinion that is keyboard related.
Flipped spacebar is one of the worst things that anyone has ever come up with. It just looks bad. I am a strong believer that if you feel like your spacebar is digging into your thumb, then your wrists are probably too low when you are typing.
I've never been a fan of flipped spacebars either, I think it looks horrendous on a board & like you said if the spacebar is digging into your thumbs get a wrist rest.
Flipped space bars are fundamentally wrong.
You are not alone.
Flipped space bars are fundamentally wrong.
You are not alone.
This is for the most part true, but on certain vintage boards(for example my Wyse PCE) the spacebar is super harsh on the angle and flipping it actually makes the typing experience better. On any modern board I don't agree with it, the Wyse is the only keyboard I flip the spacebar on.
Flipped space bars are fundamentally wrong.
You are not alone.
This is for the most part true, but on certain vintage boards(for example my Wyse PCE) the spacebar is super harsh on the angle and flipping it actually makes the typing experience better. On any modern board I don't agree with it, the Wyse is the only keyboard I flip the spacebar on.
On pretty much all of my keyboards the space bar is the same profile as the rest of the bottom row, but is convex whereas Alt/Ctrl etc. are concave.
I did try flipping a space bar once, at the insistence of someone here, and the experience was not pleasant.
Probably been said before, but I think that GMK is overhyped
- Keycap manufacturers are taking everyone for a ride on pricing.
75% is the best layout and deserves more love, as compact as 60% yet you're not missing any keys apart from numpad, pause/break and scroll lock.
Model M's sound bad
Model M's sound bad
topre
Been several months since I used my 55 gram Realforce TKL so I dug it out of the closet & hooked it up. Just for fun I folded the legs down to tilt the board... and I love it!!!
All artisans look like trash :rolleyes:
I can agree with that in most cases. Especially when 'artisan makers' roll out their kindergarten playdoh level monstrosity and charge $40+ a pop for them, it's a desperate cashgrab.
Been several months since I used my 55 gram Realforce TKL so I dug it out of the closet & hooked it up. Just for fun I folded the legs down to tilt the board... and I love it!!!
I used to hate using the flip out feet on keyboards, but something happened a few months ago, and now I have to flip the feet down on every keyboard, or else it feels weird to me.
From the "why extra PCBs" thread, I had no idea that the term hotswap was now applied to keyboards. Suitable subject material for an "unpopular keyboard opinions" post:Not at all. The circuitry doesn’t care if an already open switch is removed from the circuit whilst it is still powered on.
The term "hotswap" applied to binary contact switches is a ridiculous affectation. There are no specific circuit design issues to address, no component grounding concerns. It's just a PCB that can take drop in switches rather than require soldering.
Or is there more to it, electrically, than this?
From the "why extra PCBs" thread, I had no idea that the term hotswap was now applied to keyboards. Suitable subject material for an "unpopular keyboard opinions" post:
The term "hotswap" applied to binary contact switches is a ridiculous affectation. There are no specific circuit design issues to address, no component grounding concerns. It's just a PCB that can take drop in switches rather than require soldering.
Or is there more to it, electrically, than this?
Hot swapping is replacing or adding components without stopping or shutting down the system.Socketed switches fit into this definition and are therefore properly called hotswappable. Or would you like to propose another, more fitting name?
Socketed switches fit into this definition and are therefore properly called hotswappable. Or would you like to propose another, more fitting name?
Socketed switches fit into this definition and are therefore properly called hotswappable. Or would you like to propose another, more fitting name?
In that case, my fridge has hot swappable beers in it.
In a slightly more serious vein, the definition of "Hot swapping is replacing or adding components without stopping or shutting down the system" is overly simplistic. The heavy implication through decades of system architecture is that there are a load of design issues that need to be sorted out for this definition to be met. In my own field (IT, I don't know anything about serious heavy machinery) these are electrical, protocol and even to some extent mechanical.
Model M's sound bad
Adding one more: Model Ms and similarly big vintage keyboards are just too big.
What the hell is with everyone and their grandmother who designs a case putting a big brass plate on the bottom of it? It's the dumbest **** ever, barely adds weight, just adds expense, no one is going to ****ing see it, and people act like it's a needed feature.I would not agree that it "barely adds weight". A 60% in a case with thin bezels and brass weight could be as heavy or heavier than a TKL in solid aluminium with thick bezels.
Stock Halo Trues are way better than all these weird frankenswitches people are making out of Halo stems.
Model M's sound bad
Adding one more: Model Ms and similarly big vintage keyboards are just too big.
There are way too many TKL/65%/60% boards on the market that are $500+, when that kind of money should be spent on real ergonomics.
Also, not enough split spacebars and switch top opening plate support.
Model M's sound bad
Adding one more: Model Ms and similarly big vintage keyboards are just too big.
MODS MODS MODS MODS MODS MODS MODS MODS MODS MODS
PLS DELETE DIS OPINIONS.
Wait. So do you agree? Or do you disagree?Stock Halo Trues are way better than all these weird frankenswitches people are making out of Halo stems.
Couldn't agree more. Although, I do disagree with your statement.
Agree to disagree or disagree to agree?Wait. So do you agree? Or do you disagree?Stock Halo Trues are way better than all these weird frankenswitches people are making out of Halo stems.
Couldn't agree more. Although, I do disagree with your statement.
1. I don't like when one of the alpha keys is larger than others (\)
Focus layout is the best
Also, Caps Lock should be a layer key (even on fullsize boards) and capslock can be accessed on another layer.
Both my Model F and my Model M have one. I use it on neither. I don't even know what it is supposed to do.
The Capslock icon of arrow pointing down looks incredibly stupid next to the shift key and ruins the whole aesthetic. Not that capslock has any place in the top layout anyways.
One of the most easily accessible mod keys dedicated to a function most people have zero use. What a damn waste. And it's not just useless, it actively hampers your typing flow when you accidentally happen to press it. Win key has nothing on this guy. Cultured people swap it with control or function key, anything really.
People who obsess about keycaps and switches while they're still typing on a row-staggered QWERTY board need to get their priorities straight.Ouch...
People who obsess about keycaps and switches while they're still typing on a row-staggered QWERTY board need to get their priorities straight.Most ergo looks disgusting so no thanks
Right top blocker is ugly and doesn't need to be on literally every second new keyboard introduced this year.
Right top blocker is ugly and doesn't need to be on literally every second new keyboard introduced this year.
What is a top blocker? Haven't come across this term before.
People who obsess about keycaps and switches while they're still typing on a row-staggered QWERTY board need to get their priorities straight.
Right top blocker is ugly and doesn't need to be on literally every second new keyboard introduced this year.For me this is necessary to make 65% usable.
Right top blocker is ugly and doesn't need to be on literally every second new keyboard introduced this year.For me this is necessary to make 65% usable.
Having a key to the right of backspace throws me way off.
Assuming ANSI, split backslash is the correct solution.ISO :cool:
Right top blocker is ugly and doesn't need to be on literally every second new keyboard introduced this year.
What is a top blocker? Haven't come across this term before.
checkout the OP of this thread https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=93134.0 it shows an example of a top right blocker
checkout the OP of this thread https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=93134.0 it shows an example of a top right blocker
Yupcheckout the OP of this thread https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=93134.0 it shows an example of a top right blocker
Maybe I'm being dense, but the 'blocker' is having a bit of plastic filled in at the top right of the keyboard, instead of a key?
The Capslock icon of arrow pointing down looks incredibly stupid next to the shift key and ruins the whole aesthetic. Not that capslock has any place in the top layout anyways.
One of the most easily accessible mod keys dedicated to a function most people have zero use. What a damn waste. And it's not just useless, it actively hampers your typing flow when you accidentally happen to press it. Win key has nothing on this guy. Cultured people swap it with control or function key, anything really.
I know people (older especially) who will use Caps Lock every time they want to type a capital letter - CL on, letter, CL off. It makes me want to gauge my eyes out when I see it.
I fully agree ! .... yet, Sean Wrona - one of the fastest typists - uses caps lock in that way. :eek:
So .... if it's stupid, but it works, it's not stupid .... I guess. :confused:
I don't know how unpopular this really is, but I'm not a fan of just icon mods on keysets anymore. Especially "realigned" icons and the down arrow for caps lock. *shudder*
I don't know how unpopular this really is, but I'm not a fan of just icon mods on keysets anymore. Especially "realigned" icons and the down arrow for caps lock. *shudder*
Blank is the way to go, don't let icons and letters tell you what to do. They're like handcuffs.
Qwerty would've been long replaced by more efficient arrangements had we not had the letters printed on every board.
you're delusional if you think the general public would have accepted blank keyboards with their computers. even now after decades of qwerty standard the majority of people need letters on their keycaps to type.I don't know how unpopular this really is, but I'm not a fan of just icon mods on keysets anymore. Especially "realigned" icons and the down arrow for caps lock. *shudder*
Blank is the way to go, don't let icons and letters tell you what to do. They're like handcuffs.
Qwerty would've been long replaced by more efficient arrangements had we not had the letters printed on every board.
you're delusional if you think the general public would have accepted blank keyboards with their computers. even now after decades of qwerty standard the majority of people need letters on their keycaps to type.
Familiarity with the layout is even more important when the keycaps are blank though, not less. Making keycaps blank does nothing to help people touch type DVORAK or whatever...
Besides which keycaps just look better with legends (totally objective statement).
1. Model M/Fs sound horribleI agree with all except 1 and 3 - I haven't used model m/f boards long enough to comment and Ive never used a Japanese board.
I dislike the buckling sound.
2. Most switches are too heavy
Love my 30g Topre. Anything heavier requires too much effort to press imo
3. Japanese keyboards shouldn't have kana legends
No secret only 5-10% of Japanese use kana input method anyways.
4. SA (or any other spherical high profile keycaps) are not for 'real' typing
They are nice to lay your fingers down though. Just not optimal for moving between rows.
5. Custom built cases.
Don't like metal cases; they feel too cold to touch due too great thermal conductivity.
Polystyrene case might be a better idea I guess:P. Warm, light, quiet and inexpensive.
Familiarity with the layout is even more important when the keycaps are blank though, not less. Making keycaps blank does nothing to help people touch type DVORAK or whatever...
Besides which keycaps just look better with legends (totally objective statement).
Don't think they look better or worse. They certainly look more familiar with legends, but hitler looks familiar, still a bad dude.
Dvorak isn't a very good layout. Many premises of its construction is wrong. for example, the fingers do not naturally rest on the home row asdfjkl;, it rests on awefjio;.
My point about label vs blank is merely that the label cuffs the majority of all people to learn a bad system, and its ubiquity is a primary blockade to innovation.
The bandaid mod does nothing for feel or functionality & just adds a bunch of board chow magnets under your stabilizers.
The bandaid mod does nothing for feel or functionality & just adds a bunch of board chow magnets under your stabilizers.
and sound wise it's worse
While I had an IBM Model M as a kid, and used it extensively, I do not miss it. The keyboard was unbreakable and built to standards we can only dream of today (that part I miss), but the actual tactile experience of the buckling springs is somewhat overrated in my opinion. I recall mine requiring pretty heavy presses and I, from today's perspective, don't appreciate the actual sensation of feeling the spring collapse under my fingertips. It was somewhat too sharp to be pleasant.
Great keyboard, just not the pinnacle of typing experience it's sometimes presented as.
I don't think the F feels cheap.
I see. Then I must leave.
I find it strange that people ask for Model M build quality when far superior (in build quality and sturdiness) boards exist in the form of almost any metal-encased mechanical keyboard today. Being heavy does not a quality keyboard make.
It's true that industrialization drives some things, like kb, into unacceptable borders for some. But it is also true that kb aficionados pay insane prices for over-engineered cases and kb construction. I like this forum's drive for creativity and innovation in kb concepts, but I really hate the trend towards hundred of dollars designs that add nothing to the functionality.I find it strange that people ask for Model M build quality when far superior (in build quality and sturdiness) boards exist in the form of almost any metal-encased mechanical keyboard today. Being heavy does not a quality keyboard make.
It surely doesn't, but most modern plastic cases feel really flimsy, especially with a floating cap design. It screams cost saving (to me). That's the mass market keyboard, not a metal encased one. Those are, for the most part a premium.
Of course the heaviness and thickness of the plastic case have very little practical function - even my Ajazz AK33 doesn't slide around and the case is not likely to break during its lifetime. So it's just about the subjective feeling of quality associated with solidity and weight, i.e. heavy = substantial.
It's true that industrialization drives some things, like kb, into unacceptable borders for some. But it is also true that kb aficionados pay insane prices for over-engineered cases and kb construction. I like this forum's drive for creativity and innovation in kb concepts, but I really hate the trend towards hundred of dollars designs that add nothing to the functionality.I find it strange that people ask for Model M build quality when far superior (in build quality and sturdiness) boards exist in the form of almost any metal-encased mechanical keyboard today. Being heavy does not a quality keyboard make.
It surely doesn't, but most modern plastic cases feel really flimsy, especially with a floating cap design. It screams cost saving (to me). That's the mass market keyboard, not a metal encased one. Those are, for the most part a premium.
Of course the heaviness and thickness of the plastic case have very little practical function - even my Ajazz AK33 doesn't slide around and the case is not likely to break during its lifetime. So it's just about the subjective feeling of quality associated with solidity and weight, i.e. heavy = substantial.
I like Razers, but reliability is a problem. The RGB quit working on my favorite one. I had it fixed on light blue, and it was nice on nights when I was having trouble sleeping. This one doubles up on a random basis. Their software UI needs work. It is unreadable if you are older. There is no way to increase the type size, either.
gmk jamon is uggo af
gmk jamon is uggo af
but but it looks so damm nice :confused:Ikr..
Look who didn't read the title :rolleyes:but but it looks so damm nice :confused:Ikr..
Here's one: having a hiragana layout keyset while then having a non-JIS layout keyboard is one of the most wannabe things in this hobby. If you actually type in Japanese, use a damn Japanese keyboard, if not, don't try to slap that stuff on your keycaps and pretend you know the language. Kind of similar to Hangul sets, but at least Hangul is used with ANSI.
Don't confuse aesthetics with utility. The first commands more demand than the second in keyboard-land.Here's one: having a hiragana layout keyset while then having a non-JIS layout keyboard is one of the most wannabe things in this hobby. If you actually type in Japanese, use a damn Japanese keyboard, if not, don't try to slap that stuff on your keycaps and pretend you know the language. Kind of similar to Hangul sets, but at least Hangul is used with ANSI.
I don't speak any language other than english...
no one's pretending they know the language, hiragana often fits a thematic/aesthetic purpose, e.g. it makes sense on a topre keyboard because they are made by a japanese company in japan
gatekeeping keycap sublegend choices is ridiculous, let people use what they want
Here's one: having a hiragana layout keyset while then having a non-JIS layout keyboard is one of the most wannabe things in this hobby. If you actually type in Japanese, use a damn Japanese keyboard, if not, don't try to slap that stuff on your keycaps and pretend you know the language. Kind of similar to Hangul sets, but at least Hangul is used with ANSI.
proper jis legends cost money
working on it
I personally feel like Razer Greens are a great switch. They are very clicky, which is just what i need. They are a great alternative to MX Blues.
Please don't hate on me 😕
proper jis legends cost money
working on it
I personally feel like Razer Greens are a great switch. They are very clicky, which is just what i need. They are a great alternative to MX Blues.
Please don't hate on me 😕
- HHKB Layout doesn't make any sense. Why do you want to remove the Control key?
Topres are overpriced.
65% Layout is the best layout for those who don't program.
Topres are overpriced.
Price is set by whatever the market will bear, and the market will most certainly bear Topre.65% Layout is the best layout for those who don't program.
And what layout is..?
I personally feel like Razer Greens are a great switch. They are very clicky, which is just what i need. They are a great alternative to MX Blues.My experience was the exact opposite. I prefer the MX to the Razor switches. I guess it simply boils down to preferences
Please don't hate on me 😕
All I can think of right now. Don't hate me. Although this is gonna get some salty responses I bet.
As someone said earlier HHKB has one control key on the left. On mac control key does not get much use. But if you're Windows/Linux/VIM/Emacs user or programmer I don't see why you would ever want to get rid off second control key.
- HHKB Layout doesn't make any sense. Why do you want to remove the Control key?
Don't you guys touch type and use mods on both sides keyboard?
Hey guys kinda new here but have an opinion which I think is unpopular. I think that 96-key layouts are highly underrated, and am surprised that 60% or even TKLs are considered 'popular' options. I think a 96-key layout is a far better compromise than TKL if space is a concern, as you retain access to nav buttons, a numpad plus an enter key close to the mouse thumb (won't apply to left handed users though).
65% Layout is the best layout for those who don't program.
And what layout is..?
More than 68 keys for those programming EPROM chips? 555 timers? What the heck are they programming that needs a keyboard larger than a 65% is what I'd want to know.
65% Layout is the best layout for those who don't program.
And what layout is..?
More than 68 keys for those programming EPROM chips? 555 timers? What the heck are they programming that needs a keyboard larger than a 65% is what I'd want to know.
Right? IMO a more experienced dev needs _less_ keys. Use C-a and C-e for home and end. Use hjkl or jkl; for arrows. Page up and down are easily layered with Super or Fn so you don't even have to lift your fingers off the home row.
I guess FNs for macros?
Many sets look better without their accent keys , and often I feel like the accents don’t fit the kit very well. 9009 does accent keys wellColors and their combinations look better as we become familiar with them. The classic combinations are just too common that most of us are accustomed to them, therefore they look better to us. 9009 is a great example.
Heavier: this confused me the most. How is heavier desirable?
Heavier: this confused me the most. How is heavier desirable?
Years ago, Ripster wrote a guide on how to smelt and cast lead in your backyard BBQ grill to make weights to fit inside the bottom case shell.
Please no Brass weightThe use of machined metals for keeb's cases is due to the fact that any custom made board run is made in extremely low volumes that do not justify a plastic injection mold. But a machining case is not the more sounding manufacturing method for such component, only tolerable due to low demand. One of the best cases ever made is the Poker II's die casting case that is made of aluminum. It is still over-engineered due to the metal, but a great if not the best keeb case. I have one and its feeling, rigidity and weight are in total balance with the function of an actual keeb case that is still discreet and not for show.
I understand that brass weight have several benefits but…None of the holy grail vintage keyboards have brass weight yet they could still feel wonderful.
- Looks good: can’t argue with that but plenty of materials/finishes could look nice. Also uncoated brass will rust.
- Anti-slippery: There are ways to prevent keyboards from slipping on the desk. Better rubber feet for example.
- Sounds nicer: yes but there are plenty of ways to improve the typing sound. Dampening sheet or isolated mount for example. IMO (semi-) open back keyboard with no weight sounds even nicer.
- Heavier: this confused me the most. How is heavier desirable? For me it’s a huge pain when I carry keyboards. I carry them a lot because I constantly modify and photograph them. The more brass weight I see on new products and the more appreciation people express, it all seems more of a fad to me. Unless heavy translated to premium?
- Price: cost will increase due to different material and additional parts. We all pay the cost in the end.
Not against the brass plate. They sound deeper, serve the purpose of a plate, and are good looking accent too.
On the other hand, this thread is gold and it feels good to let it out ;D
Please no Brass weightThe use of machined metals for keeb's cases is due to the fact that any custom made board run is made in extremely low volumes that do not justify a plastic injection mold. But a machining case is not the more sounding manufacturing method for such component, only tolerable due to low demand. One of the best cases ever made is the Poker II's die casting case that is made of aluminum. It is still over-engineered due to the metal, but a great if not the best keeb case. I have one and its feeling, rigidity and weight are in total balance with the function of an actual keeb case that is still discreet and not for show.
I understand that brass weight have several benefits but…None of the holy grail vintage keyboards have brass weight yet they could still feel wonderful.
- Looks good: can’t argue with that but plenty of materials/finishes could look nice. Also uncoated brass will rust.
- Anti-slippery: There are ways to prevent keyboards from slipping on the desk. Better rubber feet for example.
- Sounds nicer: yes but there are plenty of ways to improve the typing sound. Dampening sheet or isolated mount for example. IMO (semi-) open back keyboard with no weight sounds even nicer.
- Heavier: this confused me the most. How is heavier desirable? For me it’s a huge pain when I carry keyboards. I carry them a lot because I constantly modify and photograph them. The more brass weight I see on new products and the more appreciation people express, it all seems more of a fad to me. Unless heavy translated to premium?
- Price: cost will increase due to different material and additional parts. We all pay the cost in the end.
Not against the brass plate. They sound deeper, serve the purpose of a plate, and are good looking accent too.
On the other hand, this thread is gold and it feels good to let it out ;D
Although i do have to ask why Razer Greens when all the awesome Kaihl BOX click bar switches are available?I think a clicky switch should not be louder on the up-stroke!
They were noticeably scratchier than the competition a couple years ago before Cherry renewed their tooling. Vintage switches are smooth, and new switches are smooth. It is those from the mech gaming craze-era that are bad, and many people's opinion are of switches from that time.
- I don't see why people say MX switches are scratchy.
What the heck are they programming that needs a keyboard larger than a 65% is what I'd want to know.If you do programming in Microsoft Visual Studio, you need to use the F-keys: especially for debugging. Some functions are with Shift. In that case, having the keys is more useful than saving space.
Years ago, Ripster wrote a guide on how to smelt and cast lead in your backyard BBQ grill to make weights to fit inside the bottom case shell.... To put in his Filco, which was made from thin plastic. That was a mod to fix a deficiency.
65% Layout is the best layout for those who don't program.
And what layout is..?
More than 68 keys for those programming EPROM chips? 555 timers? What the heck are they programming that needs a keyboard larger than a 65% is what I'd want to know.
Right? IMO a more experienced dev needs _less_ keys. Use C-a and C-e for home and end. Use hjkl or jkl; for arrows. Page up and down are easily layered with Super or Fn so you don't even have to lift your fingers off the home row.
I guess FNs for macros?
I'm no dev, but I use Vim exclusively for some reason. Also using jkl; for arrows $(homing_bar), and ui nm for other navi keys. Though F row and numpad were very helpful for 3D modeling.
Or maybe some kind of VS Code hotkey voodoo?
What the heck are they programming that needs a keyboard larger than a 65% is what I'd want to know.
If you do programming in Microsoft Visual Studio, you need to use the F-keys: especially for debugging. Some functions are with Shift. In that case, having the keys is more useful than saving space.
Lemo connectors look bad on a desk
I forgot when I posted last time, so here's a find:Have you tried retooled mx blues? They feel pretty tactile
I find MX Browns more tactile than MX Blues.
Or Kailh Blues. They just feel like Razer Greens. Are Cherry Blues really that different?
I forgot when I posted last time, so here's a find:Have you tried retooled mx blues? They feel pretty tactile
I find MX Browns more tactile than MX Blues.
Or Kailh Blues. They just feel like Razer Greens. Are Cherry Blues really that different?
This is unpopular opinions, not false beliefs. Ergonomic keyboards, even with simple measures like stagger/orthogonal are better for your fingers. Don't spread misinformation by claiming that they're not ergonomic, that's foolish.
Also you could type on a keyboard for a hundred years and wouldn't notice an input difference between PS/2 and USB. PS/2 is also hell to put in :(
This is unpopular opinions, not false beliefs. Ergonomic keyboards, even with simple measures like stagger/orthogonal are better for your fingers. Don't spread misinformation by claiming that they're not ergonomic, that's foolish.
Also you could type on a keyboard for a hundred years and wouldn't notice an input difference between PS/2 and USB. PS/2 is also hell to put in :(
PS/2 in addition is obsolete really
This is unpopular opinions, not false beliefs. Ergonomic keyboards, even with simple measures like stagger/orthogonal are better for your fingers. Don't spread misinformation by claiming that they're not ergonomic, that's foolish.
Also you could type on a keyboard for a hundred years and wouldn't notice an input difference between PS/2 and USB. PS/2 is also hell to put in :(
This is unpopular opinions, not false beliefs. Ergonomic keyboards, even with simple measures like stagger/orthogonal are better for your fingers. Don't spread misinformation by claiming that they're not ergonomic, that's foolish.
Also you could type on a keyboard for a hundred years and wouldn't notice an input difference between PS/2 and USB. PS/2 is also hell to put in :(
PS/2 in addition is obsolete really
I was shocked my X570 motherboard actually had a PS/2 port,should come in handy if I ever dig my RC128BM out of the box it's been in since last year.
In general, we just need to let people like what they like and not try making hugely objective claims. Likewise, the person you quoted has little business saying that said keyboards aren't ergonomic. He'd be better off saying "I find them uncomfortable" or similar.
-Ergo keyboards. Not nice at all, very awkward, not very ergonomic at all.I think there are indeed too many keyboards that have been marketed as "ergonomic" but which are suboptimal ( ⇒ optimising one aspect), often at the expense of some other aspect that might be more important.
-Every keycap is a relegendable keycap if you don't fear god!Indeed! :))
Alright I'll try to get us back to the good ole' unpopular opinions here. The best arrow cluster setup for a secondary layer on a 60% KB is.
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Alright I'll try to get us back to the good ole' unpopular opinions here. The best arrow cluster setup for a secondary layer on a 60% KB is.
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Naw. Just ditch the right-hand modifier keys and put your arrow keys in a single row.Show Image(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/9f/Apple_%28Standard%29_Keyboard_M0116.jpg/640px-Apple_%28Standard%29_Keyboard_M0116.jpg)
Not a fan of the Model M, the switches were way too heavy for normal use.
Any form factor less than TKL is just silly.
Spending over $100 on a keycap set is also silly, and I don't think I'll ever do it. The markup is just ridiculous, even worse than Topre switches or the HHKB, but they'll keep charging it if people keep buying it.
I like MX Browns.
I also really like the Compaq RT101 slider over rubber dome switch, especially for $20.
Not a fan of the Model M, the switches were way too heavy for normal use.
Any form factor less than TKL is just silly.
Spending over $100 on a keycap set is also silly, and I don't think I'll ever do it. The markup is just ridiculous, even worse than Topre switches or the HHKB, but they'll keep charging it if people keep buying it.
I like MX Browns.
I also really like the Compaq RT101 slider over rubber dome switch, especially for $20.
What are you smoking?
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Any form factor less than TKL is just silly.
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Any form factor less than TKL is just silly.
What about 75%? You keep pretty much the same amount of dedicated keys but in a more compact form factor
I'm debating this myself. I want a smaller footprint than my full-size so that I can use a mouse or trackball on my keyboard tray.
Previous experiments have shown that maybe a TKL is a little too big for comfortable use of mouse / trackball.
I've tried various small form-factors at meetups. 75% seems surprisingly comfortable. And with the right keycaps, modifiers are very distinct from alphas. Smaller form than TKL, most of the keys.
But 75% lacks nav cluster, arrow key separation, F-row separation, and spaces between F-keys. It does not correspond to muscle memory. So I wonder about typing efficiency.
I have the chance to buy a KBD75 from KBDFans, or maybe a KBD8x mkii TKL if extras are available. There's a strong argument to be made for either one.
Alright I'll try to get us back to the good ole' unpopular opinions here. The best arrow cluster setup for a secondary layer on a 60% KB is.
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Keycap opinions:
- I prefer the feel of $50 PBT keycaps over $130 GMK or $120 SA keycaps or $100 JTK keycaps with high-quality ABS
- OEM > Cherry > SA, by feel
- SA > OEM > Cherry, by looks
- There should be more group buys for beautiful OEM PBT keycaps
Keyboard opinions:
- I like thick plastic cases over metal cases
- I don't like the floating keys design
- full-size > tkl > the rest
Ok, I'm done. Also, my opinions will probably change tomorrow ;)
Keycap opinions:
- I prefer the feel of $50 PBT keycaps over $130 GMK or $120 SA keycaps or $100 JTK keycaps with high-quality ABS
- OEM > Cherry > SA, by feel
- SA > OEM > Cherry, by looks
- There should be more group buys for beautiful OEM PBT keycaps
Keyboard opinions:
- I like thick plastic cases over metal cases
- I don't like the floating keys design
- full-size > tkl > the rest
Ok, I'm done. Also, my opinions will probably change tomorrow ;)
OEM bad
DSA and G20 good
Colemak or Dvorak are more efficient than Qwerty for speed and efficiency, but if you learn them, you'll struggle when moving to computers that have standard layouts so it's not worth it for most people.
The only purpose for a desk is to put a keyboard and mouse on, so there's no point in "saving" any space.
The only purpose for a desk is to put a keyboard and mouse on, so there's no point in "saving" any space.
This isn't an opinion, it's actually just not true lol
well you could get a bigger one, or a smaller mouse why is it always the keyboard that need to be smaller?The only purpose for a desk is to put a keyboard and mouse on, so there's no point in "saving" any space.This isn't an opinion, it's actually just not true lol
For reals! What if you got a small desk!
Only Handlets need anything larger than a tkl tbh.well you could get a bigger one, or a smaller mouse why is it always the keyboard that need to be smaller?The only purpose for a desk is to put a keyboard and mouse on, so there's no point in "saving" any space.This isn't an opinion, it's actually just not true lol
For reals! What if you got a small desk!
By virtue of me having it it’s my opinion, and clearly hyperbole :p
By virtue of me having it it’s my opinion, and clearly hyperbole :p
I have crippling autism, and cannot detect sarcasm. Please forgive me.
QWERTY is absolutely fine and no problem at all if you don't type weirdly.says the man who admit to type weirdly in his videos.
Typing weirdly is fine, as is not caring about speed. Just use whatever fingers for whatever key feels right for you.
Typing weirdly is fine, as is not caring about speed. Just use whatever fingers for whatever key feels right for you.
Q and P should use ring finger
Home row is awefjio; NOT, asdfjkl;
Keycap opinions:
- I prefer the feel of $50 PBT keycaps over $130 GMK or $120 SA keycaps or $100 JTK keycaps with high-quality ABS
- OEM > Cherry > SA, by feel
- SA > OEM > Cherry, by looks
- There should be more group buys for beautiful OEM PBT keycaps
Keyboard opinions:
- I like thick plastic cases over metal cases
- I don't like the floating keys design
- full-size > tkl > the rest
Ok, I'm done. Also, my opinions will probably change tomorrow ;)
Speaking of wobble...
I do not care about wobble, it's not a metric I give two ****s about as long as keys don't bind.
I'll go further even, at least I don't type in the way that gets me RSI and subsequently necessitates getting some unspeakable ergo nightmare board to save my broken limbs :p .QWERTY is absolutely fine and no problem at all if you don't type weirdly.says the man who admit to type weirdly in his videos.
and yeah if do not look at your keyboard qwerty is no problem, only the set layout on the machine is.
Speaking of wobble...
I do not care about wobble, it's not a metric I give two ****s about as long as keys don't bind.
Speaking of wobble...
I do not care about wobble, it's not a metric I give two ****s about as long as keys don't bind.
Thank you! Of all the things to be anal about wobble doesn't even need consideration...
Wobble makes the board feel less solidly made for sure.
Like it came out of a candy machine.
I also enjoy Varmilo, although the italics are somewhat controversial. My favourite keycaps - Leopold, Varmilo, and DCS, all have less-bolded legends. WYSE DCS was the nicest, in my view.
Gampela, I'm not sure your opinion is entirely unpopular. ePBT is known for printing their legends a little bold and comical (although 9009 R4 is getting closer to GMK). Saying that GMK is also too bold and near-comical is unpopular, but I agree with you. [I am typing this on GMK].
You're right about Leopold. Their doubleshots are very professional-looking, and most people agree. There's a reason their caps are called "God tier."
I also enjoy Varmilo, although the italics are somewhat controversial. My favourite keycaps - Leopold, Varmilo, and DCS, all have less-bolded legends. WYSE DCS was the nicest, in my view.
Oh, your assumption is right. As far as I can tell, ePBT is largely trying to mimic classic GMK. However, its dye-sub process was always 'runnier' or blurrier than GMK. It is closing in on GMK in legend sharpness, however. But there are other issues with their keycaps.
I actually like the feel of ePBT more than GMK, no matter if it is on MX Browns or Zealios. ePBT 9009 was using some very smooth-surfaced blanks that were still grippy. But the keycaps themselves were less consistent than GMK - some of them had flaring at the bottom, for example.
If you put an ePBT set on a big board, you can usually see the difference from GMK, which is more orderly and regimented. GMK is known for a higher degree of consistency in the keycap shape, and they don't warp or get tilted off-centre easily. If only the legends were a nicer font, like Gorton Modified.
I find the colouration of most Leopold keycap sets to be a bit dull, but that's understandable as they have to use PBT. The legends are amazing, though. Really set a standard for the industry. And the profile is truly something special. I wonder if the rumoured "Gateron profile" will beat it.
However, the keycaps are not all perfect.Show Image(https://brianleereviews.files.wordpress.com/2018/07/fullsizeoutput_113.jpeg)
As seen in the photo above, the edges of the keycaps are pretty jagged and rough. In some cases, there are even extra PBT bits protruding outwards from the keycaps. Nothing that a file can’t solve, but I wish it were better. You get jagged edges with most PBT sets, even the more expensive ones like IMSTO Ural. However, the edges on /dev/tty are near perfect on every key and are the benchmark of PBT quality (as in the keycap itself, not the legends) to me so seeing burrs on the ePBT is off-putting.
Warping is a serious issue that past iterations of ePBT/Gateron caps and most PBT keysets face. In many cases, the long modifier keys and spacebars are so warped that even with the most well-lubed of stabilizers, they would cause an uneven depress and as such cause the stabilizer to rattle.
In the case of the ePBT 9009, warping is still an issue on the longer keys, but much less so. On the shorter keys like both shifts, backspace and enter, warping is a mild issue at best. The keys look relatively straight on all 3 axes and probably won’t cause an issue with your stabilizers.
Oh, your assumption is right. As far as I can tell, ePBT is largely trying to mimic classic GMK. However, its dye-sub process was always 'runnier' or blurrier than GMK. It is closing in on GMK in legend sharpness, however. But there are other issues with their keycaps.
I actually like the feel of ePBT more than GMK, no matter if it is on MX Browns or Zealios. ePBT 9009 was using some very smooth-surfaced blanks that were still grippy. But the keycaps themselves were less consistent than GMK - some of them had flaring at the bottom, for example.
If you put an ePBT set on a big board, you can usually see the difference from GMK, which is more orderly and regimented. GMK is known for a higher degree of consistency in the keycap shape, and they don't warp or get tilted off-centre easily. If only the legends were a nicer font, like Gorton Modified.
I find the colouration of most Leopold keycap sets to be a bit dull, but that's understandable as they have to use PBT. The legends are amazing, though. Really set a standard for the industry. And the profile is truly something special. I wonder if the rumoured "Gateron profile" will beat it.
I wonder if the rumoured "Gateron profile" will beat [Leopold].Gateron manufactures the plastic keycaps, that get printed and sold as EnjoyPBT. I dunno who does the printing, whether EnjoyPBT is a separate company or just a brand of Gateron's.
an entirely new profile that is property of Gateron.I know about that one. But please express yourself properly!
This is probably less of an unpopular opinion here, and more of one on DT, but I really do think MX for the most part sounds better. Could be a result of lack of cap selection, or me just never using lubed/modded alps, but the sound is just never as good for me. Especially for linears.
(https://media.giphy.com/media/l4FGuhL4U2WyjdkaY/giphy.gif)This is probably less of an unpopular opinion here, and more of one on DT, but I really do think MX for the most part sounds better. Could be a result of lack of cap selection, or me just never using lubed/modded alps, but the sound is just never as good for me. Especially for linears.
Cherry MX brown sound and feel terrible though.
This is probably less of an unpopular opinion here, and more of one on DT, but I really do think MX for the most part sounds better. Could be a result of lack of cap selection, or me just never using lubed/modded alps, but the sound is just never as good for me. Especially for linears.
Cherry MX brown sound and feel terrible though.Show Image(https://media.giphy.com/media/l4FGuhL4U2WyjdkaY/giphy.gif)
This is probably less of an unpopular opinion here, and more of one on DT, but I really do think MX for the most part sounds better. Could be a result of lack of cap selection, or me just never using lubed/modded alps, but the sound is just never as good for me. Especially for linears.
Cherry MX brown sound and feel terrible though.Show Image(https://media.giphy.com/media/l4FGuhL4U2WyjdkaY/giphy.gif)
I don't understand this GIF
This is probably less of an unpopular opinion here, and more of one on DT, but I really do think MX for the most part sounds better. Could be a result of lack of cap selection, or me just never using lubed/modded alps, but the sound is just never as good for me. Especially for linears.
Cherry MX brown sound and feel terrible though.Show Image(https://media.giphy.com/media/l4FGuhL4U2WyjdkaY/giphy.gif)
I don't understand this GIF
How is it misunderstandable to you?
1. Switches are personal preference and cherry switches and rubber domes are just as good as super lubed holy trash panda X zealios hand made switches.
2. The Microsoft Sculpt is more Ergonomic than Ergodox and other non sculpted split keyboards.
3. High end plastic like the HHKB is much better than aluminum. Better weight, better looks.
4. I lied in #1, Topre is the best switch.
1. Switches are personal preference and cherry switches and rubber domes are just as good as super lubed holy trash panda X zealios hand made switches.
2. The Microsoft Sculpt is more Ergonomic than Ergodox and other non sculpted split keyboards.
3. High end plastic like the HHKB is much better than aluminum. Better weight, better looks.
4. I lied in #1, Topre is the best switch.
wow the topre circlejerk, so brave, controversial and unpopular!
can't fault him, he loves vim, real programmers uses C-x M-c M-butterfly :)
(https://xkcd.com/378/)
Heavy keyboards are overrated.
Heavy keyboards are overrated.
Typing speed doesn’t matter.
Heavy keyboards are overrated.
can't fault him, he loves vim, real programmers uses C-x M-c M-butterfly :)
(https://xkcd.com/378/)
Haha, emacs rocks! I own the domain correct.horse - guess which XKCD that's based on :)
Back to topic:
1) I don't get clacks or artisan keycaps
2) You CAN have too many 60% keyboards
3) I can't stand DSA (I have the one set that's based on star trek TNG, and I will never be using it again)
4) SA is far superior to DSA
5) You've got to be insane to try a 40% keyboard
Engage...
Haha, emacs rocks! I own the domain correct.horse - guess which XKCD that's based on :)
Back to topic:
1) I don't get clacks or artisan keycaps
2) You CAN have too many 60% keyboards
3) I can't stand DSA (I have the one set that's based on star trek TNG, and I will never be using it again)
4) SA is far superior to DSA
5) You've got to be insane to try a 40% keyboard
Engage...
you should not give away your password like that
and really i kind of think that those opinions are not that unpopular, at least i pretty much am the same way, will see with time if it changes
you should not give away your password like that
Haha, emacs rocks! I own the domain correct.horse - guess which XKCD that's based on :)
Back to topic:
1) I don't get clacks or artisan keycaps
2) You CAN have too many 60% keyboards
3) I can't stand DSA (I have the one set that's based on star trek TNG, and I will never be using it again)
4) SA is far superior to DSA
5) You've got to be insane to try a 40% keyboard
Engage...
you should not give away your password like that
and really i kind of think that those opinions are not that unpopular, at least i pretty much am the same way, will see with time if it changes
I don't even have password§ to show you
Haha, emacs rocks! I own the domain correct.horse - guess which XKCD that's based on :)
Back to topic:
1) I don't get clacks or artisan keycaps
2) You CAN have too many 60% keyboards
3) I can't stand DSA (I have the one set that's based on star trek TNG, and I will never be using it again)
4) SA is far superior to DSA
5) You've got to be insane to try a 40% keyboard
Engage...
you should not give away your password like that
and really i kind of think that those opinions are not that unpopular, at least i pretty much am the same way, will see with time if it changes
I don't even have password§ to show you
that was not for you Sintpinty, you do not need to answer all and every post (especially if you have nothing to add)
5) You've got to be insane to try a 40% keyboard
5) You've got to be insane to try a 40% keyboard
Any programmer that is pressing a fn key to get to [](){}; (btw that's a valid C++ anonymous func) is insane. TKL is the way to go so you don't have your mouse falling off your desk, but there is such a thing as diminishing returns.
5) You've got to be insane to try a 40% keyboard
Any programmer that is pressing a fn key to get to [](){}; (btw that's a valid C++ anonymous func) is insane. TKL is the way to go so you don't have your mouse falling off your desk, but there is such a thing as diminishing returns.
40% is worse yet -- need a function layer to get numerical digits. :eek:
I feel like these super-small keyboards are more of a gimmick or novelty than anything. Is anyone seriously doing work on them?
5) You've got to be insane to try a 40% keyboard
Any programmer that is pressing a fn key to get to [](){}; (btw that's a valid C++ anonymous func) is insane. TKL is the way to go so you don't have your mouse falling off your desk, but there is such a thing as diminishing returns.
Personal experience: 45% works for programming. I prob have spent 2 years on a JD45 at work. The hardest part is to remember where "$%^&" are. Later on I tried 40% but the lack of [{ and '" was too limiting for me.
Who gives a toss about absolute need?
I like full size as I spend a lot of my day resting my head in my hand while doing dev work, and having to use layers would suck for one handed shortcuts.
Who gives a toss about absolute need?
I like full size as I spend a lot of my day resting my head in my hand while doing dev work, and having to use layers would suck for one handed shortcuts.
Who gives a toss about absolute need?
I like full size as I spend a lot of my day resting my head in my hand while doing dev work, and having to use layers would suck for one handed shortcuts.
Numpad not needed, arrow keys and number row needed
Most peoples staunch devotion to larger keyboard layouts are not based on any absolute NEED for the extra keys, it's that they don't have the time or patience to learn new muscle memory, and they should present it that way more often.
There are a few legitimate needs for those layouts, but there are less than a few who actually need them.
Personal experience: 45% works for programming. I prob have spent 2 years on a JD45 at work. The hardest part is to remember where "$%^&" are. Later on I tried 40% but the lack of [{ and '" was too limiting for me.
I honestly couldn't consider going less than TKL at work, and I'm happy on my full size AEK. Do you not use an IDE? switching my shortcuts to a smaller layout would be hell.
they don't have the time or patience to learn new muscle memory, and they should present it that way more often.Requesting for people to excuse their preferences as being lazy or reluctant to learn new things is not unpopular opinion, it's purely a d*ck move.
using FN every time I want to press some of the F-keys or use Home/End etc. is stupid and not any more ergonomic than using a dedicated button almost as near.
they don't have the time or patience to learn new muscle memory, and they should present it that way more often.Requesting for people to excuse their preferences as being lazy or reluctant to learn new things is not unpopular opinion, it's purely a d*ck move.
So are you reading another comment, Or are you just that mad? lol
Haven't called anyone lazy, and being reluctant isn't an insult. If someone doesn't have the time or desire to learn something, then that's understandable and fine. But people who prefer full size keyboards seem to have a tendency to pop into threads that have nothing to do with them, and spout loudly about how they "could never use anything without a numpad", or they comment on pictures of smaller boards to say something unnecessary like "lol how do you get anything done?".
I requested only that people who very loudly proclaim they NEED fullsize, should instead usually say they prefer it. Or not really, it's just my opinion that it makes them look less like a tool.using FN every time I want to press some of the F-keys or use Home/End etc. is stupid and not any more ergonomic than using a dedicated button almost as near.
It's stupid to you. Moving your FN key to somewhere more accessible is very easy. Moving it to a key under your thumb, or a key accessible to your pinky for instance can make it where you may not even have to leave home row for a lot of things, which has a good potential to reduce finger strain and improve ergonomics.
they don't have the time or patience to learn new muscle memory, and they should present it that way more often.Requesting for people to excuse their preferences as being lazy or reluctant to learn new things is not unpopular opinion, it's purely a d*ck move.
So are you reading another comment, Or are you just that mad? lol
Haven't called anyone lazy, and being reluctant isn't an insult. If someone doesn't have the time or desire to learn something, then that's understandable and fine. But people who prefer full size keyboards seem to have a tendency to pop into threads that have nothing to do with them, and spout loudly about how they "could never use anything without a numpad", or they comment on pictures of smaller boards to say something unnecessary like "lol how do you get anything done?".
I requested only that people who very loudly proclaim they NEED fullsize, should instead usually say they prefer it. Or not really, it's just my opinion that it makes them look less like a tool.using FN every time I want to press some of the F-keys or use Home/End etc. is stupid and not any more ergonomic than using a dedicated button almost as near.
It's stupid to you. Moving your FN key to somewhere more accessible is very easy. Moving it to a key under your thumb, or a key accessible to your pinky for instance can make it where you may not even have to leave home row for a lot of things, which has a good potential to reduce finger strain and improve ergonomics.
AAGGH! The yellow in your text! It's hard to see on my low brightness.
they don't have the time or patience to learn new muscle memory, and they should present it that way more often.Requesting for people to excuse their preferences as being lazy or reluctant to learn new things is not unpopular opinion, it's purely a d*ck move.
So are you reading another comment, Or are you just that mad? lol
Haven't called anyone lazy, and being reluctant isn't an insult. If someone doesn't have the time or desire to learn something, then that's understandable and fine. But people who prefer full size keyboards seem to have a tendency to pop into threads that have nothing to do with them, and spout loudly about how they "could never use anything without a numpad", or they comment on pictures of smaller boards to say something unnecessary like "lol how do you get anything done?".
I requested only that people who very loudly proclaim they NEED fullsize, should instead usually say they prefer it. Or not really, it's just my opinion that it makes them look less like a tool.using FN every time I want to press some of the F-keys or use Home/End etc. is stupid and not any more ergonomic than using a dedicated button almost as near.
It's stupid to you. Moving your FN key to somewhere more accessible is very easy. Moving it to a key under your thumb, or a key accessible to your pinky for instance can make it where you may not even have to leave home row for a lot of things, which has a good potential to reduce finger strain and improve ergonomics.
AAGGH! The yellow in your text! It's hard to see on my low brightness.
I love yellow :)
I prefer keysets with sublegends instead of normal ones, like Cyrillic or Hiragana. Don't know why, I just do.well if it adds a color it is even better, and otherwise it makes an otherwise empty part of the key more purposeful (or at least so it would look like to an untrained eye)
I prefer keysets with sublegends instead of normal ones, like Cyrillic or Hiragana. Don't know why, I just do.
If Corsair's spacebar was actually the same size as other mechanical keyboards, I would be more open to owning one of them. And perhaps if they were more open to having other switches besides Cherry in their product, that would also be another plus despite all the talk I've heard about how their software can be difficult to work with. I'm glad companies like Razer have been stepping up, even though I have no need for any of their keyboards at the moment.
AAGGH! The yellow in your text! It's hard to see on my low brightness.Or just with the light forum theme.
@Grim Fandango Sorry I'm a bit late to this party and I didn't think I had an unpopular keyboard opinion but you've just inspired me!I just cover it with a cloth.
Nobody should ever eat food, even sandwiches, near their keyboard and they certainly shouldn't be typing while eating.
Caveat: It might be permissible if it's just a standard keyboard at work.
If Corsair's spacebar was actually the same size as other mechanical keyboards, I would be more open to owning one of them. And perhaps if they were more open to having other switches besides Cherry in their product, that would also be another plus despite all the talk I've heard about how their software can be difficult to work with. I'm glad companies like Razer have been stepping up, even though I have no need for any of their keyboards at the moment.
Filcos feel and sound better than almost all customs/kustoms, fight me.
Filcos feel and sound better than almost all customs/kustoms, fight me.
Filcos feel and sound better than almost all customs/kustoms, fight me.Shameless plug
Filcos feel and sound better than almost all customs/kustoms, fight me.
The only people who say stuff like this unironically are people who bought a Filco before realizing how much better other keyboards in the market and same price range can be :)
Nobody should ever eat food, even sandwiches, near their keyboard and they certainly shouldn't be typing while eating.There is a special place in hell for people who eat shrimps and aioli at their desks at work in a shared office and leave the leftovers for a few hours...
Filcos feel and sound better than almost all customs/kustoms, fight me.
The only people who say stuff like this unironically are people who bought a Filco before realizing how much better other keyboards in the market and same price range can be :)
Bought my filco after owning OTD, TGR, TX, and Matrix :-*
Filcos feel and sound better than almost all customs/kustoms, fight me.
The only people who say stuff like this unironically are people who bought a Filco before realizing how much better other keyboards in the market and same price range can be :)
Bought my filco after owning OTD, TGR, TX, and Matrix :-*
Of course, that's why you're making amusing intentionally facetious statements in Comic Sans :))
Gateron "special edition" switches are just the same shít as KS-3/KS-8/KS-9
Customs > Filco
Who gives a toss about absolute need?
I like full size as I spend a lot of my day resting my head in my hand while doing dev work, and having to use layers would suck for one handed shortcuts.
Customs > Filco
Aren't you the one who asked for opinions on the feel of a switch that hasn't been released yet?
:^)
Gateron "special edition" switches are just the same shít as KS-3/KS-8/KS-9
That's not an opinion. They actually are different because they use different kinds of plastic.
But I see what you mean. Not much difference between them.
Filcos feel and sound better than almost all customs/kustoms, fight me.
The only people who say stuff like this unironically are people who bought a Filco before realizing how much better other keyboards in the market and same price range can be :)
Bought my filco after owning OTD, TGR, TX, and Matrix :-*
Of course, that's why you're making amusing intentionally facetious statements in Comic Sans :))
I am not, this was legitimately a non-ironic opinion.
Filcos feel and sound better than almost all customs/kustoms, fight me.
The only people who say stuff like this unironically are people who bought a Filco before realizing how much better other keyboards in the market and same price range can be :)
Bought my filco after owning OTD, TGR, TX, and Matrix :-*
Of course, that's why you're making amusing intentionally facetious statements in Comic Sans :))
I am not, this was legitimately a non-ironic opinion.
Oh.. well, then I can only question your nervous system. Perhaps your sense of touch was programmed backwards.
I want a filco again too
So what's supposedly so good about Filcos?
So what's supposedly so good about Filcos?
So what's supposedly so good about Filcos?
So what's supposedly so good about Filcos?
This:
If Corsair's spacebar was actually the same size as other mechanical keyboards, I would be more open to owning one of them. And perhaps if they were more open to having other switches besides Cherry in their product, that would also be another plus despite all the talk I've heard about how their software can be difficult to work with. I'm glad companies like Razer have been stepping up, even though I have no need for any of their keyboards at the moment.
If Corsair's spacebar was actually the same size as other mechanical keyboards, I would be more open to owning one of them. And perhaps if they were more open to having other switches besides Cherry in their product, that would also be another plus despite all the talk I've heard about how their software can be difficult to work with. I'm glad companies like Razer have been stepping up, even though I have no need for any of their keyboards at the moment.
I didn't have a choice about what brand i would get, my grandparents got that keyboard for me. The roughhouse spacebar actually feels great, however i might be screwed if the stablizer breaks.
So what's supposedly so good about Filcos?
Alps were a huge letdown for meSo what's supposedly so good about Filcos?
I have no idea, I had a filco, then I tried an ALPS board, now the filco is dead to me.
So what's supposedly so good about Filcos?
I have no idea, I had a filco, then I tried an ALPS board, now the filco is dead to me.
The most useful reply, posting the exact opposite of someone else's opinion.
So what's supposedly so good about Filcos?
I have no idea, I had a filco, then I tried an ALPS board, now the filco is dead to me.
From what I've heard, it's very hard to beat ALPS for clicky switches. Were you using clicky or linear?Alps were a huge letdown for me
The most useful reply, posting the exact opposite of someone else's opinion.
Depends which ones you've tried, and your previous experience with switches.
From what I've heard, it's very hard to beat ALPS for clicky switches. Were you using clicky or linear?
I have SKCM orange, salmon and blue boards and my preference is in that order. I'm not interested in linear switches.
I have SKCM orange, salmon and blue boards and my preference is in that order. I'm not interested in linear switches.
Didn't ask what you were interested in, I asked what you were using. Good to know though.
I have SKCM orange, salmon and blue boards and my preference is in that order. I'm not interested in linear switches.
Didn't ask what you were interested in, I asked what you were using. Good to know though.
This is a forum, people say things that they're not explicitly asked. Can we lose the attitude?
Alps were a huge letdown for meSo what's supposedly so good about Filcos?
I have no idea, I had a filco, then I tried an ALPS board, now the filco is dead to me.
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Alps were a huge letdown for meSo what's supposedly so good about Filcos?
I have no idea, I had a filco, then I tried an ALPS board, now the filco is dead to me.
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linears are just.. bad. I prefer MX Browns over reds
Alps were a huge letdown for meSo what's supposedly so good about Filcos?
I have no idea, I had a filco, then I tried an ALPS board, now the filco is dead to me.
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linears are just.. not my thing. I prefer MX Browns over reds
Alps were a huge letdown for meSo what's supposedly so good about Filcos?
I have no idea, I had a filco, then I tried an ALPS board, now the filco is dead to me.
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linears are just.. not my thing. I prefer MX Browns over reds
ftfy :)
Very interesting that you're saying this because that has been a similar experience I've had. Sometimes, I sort of regret not getting one of those clickier, more tactile boards, and then other days, I come to really appreciate linears more and more despite how I feel sometimes I still tend to make more typos here and there on them. It just depends on what I'm in the mood to type on and stuff, but I really do like that sort of sound that comes out of many of the linear switches out there combined with the right kinds of keycaps. It's a dream to type on then.Alps were a huge letdown for meSo what's supposedly so good about Filcos?
I have no idea, I had a filco, then I tried an ALPS board, now the filco is dead to me.
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linears are just.. not my thing. I prefer MX Browns over reds
ftfy :)
LOL, so true though. Sintpinty will learn with time like we all did. I was of the same opinion that linears were just boring & not for me for the longest time until recently I gave them another shot & am really liking them now. Tastes change over time & everybodies preferences will be different.
Alps were a huge letdown for meSo what's supposedly so good about Filcos?
I have no idea, I had a filco, then I tried an ALPS board, now the filco is dead to me.
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linears are just.. not my thing. I prefer MX Browns over reds
ftfy :)
LOL, so true though. Sintpinty will learn with time like we all did. I was of the same opinion that linears were just boring & not for me for the longest time until recently I gave them another shot & am really liking them now. Tastes change over time & everybodies preferences will be different.
Alps were a huge letdown for meSo what's supposedly so good about Filcos?
I have no idea, I had a filco, then I tried an ALPS board, now the filco is dead to me.
Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
linears are just.. not my thing. I prefer MX Browns over reds
ftfy :)
LOL, so true though. Sintpinty will learn with time like we all did. I was of the same opinion that linears were just boring & not for me for the longest time until recently I gave them another shot & am really liking them now. Tastes change over time & everybodies preferences will be different.
Will hate linears
Alps were a huge letdown for meSo what's supposedly so good about Filcos?
I have no idea, I had a filco, then I tried an ALPS board, now the filco is dead to me.
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linears are just.. not my thing. I prefer MX Browns over reds
ftfy :)
LOL, so true though. Sintpinty will learn with time like we all did. I was of the same opinion that linears were just boring & not for me for the longest time until recently I gave them another shot & am really liking them now. Tastes change over time & everybodies preferences will be different.
Will hate linears
What did he mean by this :thinking: :spink:
Can't see the future, lad.Alps were a huge letdown for meSo what's supposedly so good about Filcos?
I have no idea, I had a filco, then I tried an ALPS board, now the filco is dead to me.
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linears are just.. not my thing. I prefer MX Browns over reds
ftfy :)
LOL, so true though. Sintpinty will learn with time like we all did. I was of the same opinion that linears were just boring & not for me for the longest time until recently I gave them another shot & am really liking them now. Tastes change over time & everybodies preferences will be different.
Will hate linears
What did he mean by this :thinking: :spink:
I will always hate linears
I hate the layout on HHKB. Love how they type, but man...could not do it.
I hate the layout on HHKB. Love how they type, but man...could not do it.
How much time have you spent with it?
I hate the layout on HHKB. Love how they type, but man...could not do it.
How much time have you spent with it?
Hate was probably a bit strong...but I gave it a chance for a couple months. I'm sure I could learn to love it, but I want to go back to a FC660C. Need to post more so I can get in the classifieds.
Yeah it took me a while to get used to it, but once I really got the hang of using the Fn key, especially on OS X, it seemed more intuitive there for me.
Cherry switches are actually pretty good. It's reasonably priced and doesn't have any quality issues (at least I haven't heard any). What other good linear options are there other than vintage black? Gateron inks have loose leaf. Gateron don't fit 7035 mill-max socket unless you rotate the socket to a specific angle. Good Geteron linears are all too expensive. Cherry is still a good choice for high end build.
- Most people who bash MX browns are newbies who buy into the trend that more tactile = better.Only good switches are $5/ea frankenswitches /s
oh boy I've got some spicy ones today.I'd say the exact opposite :p . The only people who like MX browns are newbies who haven't tried anything better :p .
- Most people who bash MX browns are newbies who buy into the trend that more tactile = better.
oh boy I've got some spicy ones today.I'd say the exact opposite :p . The only people who like MX browns are newbies who haven't tried anything better :p .
- Most people who bash MX browns are newbies who buy into the trend that more tactile = better.
Cherry switches are actually pretty good. It's reasonably priced and doesn't have any quality issues (at least I haven't heard any). What other good linear options are there other than vintage black? Gateron inks have loose leaf. Gateron don't fit 7035 mill-max socket unless you rotate the socket to a specific angle. Good Geteron linears are all too expensive. Cherry is still a good choice for high end build.
I'm using some box navies for typing at home, but I still don't mind using even Cherry MX Red. Browns just feel terrible to me, and aren't tactile enough to be worth being tactile at all in light of this. I certainly haven't tried lubed ones though.
IMO the distaste from MX Browns is more due to an expectation that doesn't fit the switch. It isn't meant to be very tactile, it's meant to be barely noticeable really. When you have good typing posture and are a light typist, anything too overly tactile become fatiguing. Over the years I've learned to type faster and improve my form, and as that has changed I've started to type lighter and lighter. Well worn in browns, or tuned/lubed browns have become a great middle ground for me, because I prefer tactile, but topre and clears are fatiguing for my fingers now.
It makes sense that Chyros would dislike them, as he's a fairly heavy handed typist, with a unique form. This falls in line with his preference towards alps as well, since for the most part alps, in my experience, are much stiffer switches than cherry.
IMO the distaste from MX Browns is more due to an expectation that doesn't fit the switch. It isn't meant to be very tactile, it's meant to be barely noticeable really. When you have good typing posture and are a light typist, anything too overly tactile become fatiguing. Over the years I've learned to type faster and improve my form, and as that has changed I've started to type lighter and lighter. Well worn in browns, or tuned/lubed browns have become a great middle ground for me, because I prefer tactile, but topre and clears are fatiguing for my fingers now.
It makes sense that Chyros would dislike them, as he's a fairly heavy handed typist, with a unique form. This falls in line with his preference towards alps as well, since for the most part alps, in my experience, are much stiffer switches than cherry.
Bad condition alps feel stiffer than cherry, good oranges and blues feel mid way between browns and clears and are utterly non-fatiguing to type on. I’ve typed for 8+ hours a day on salmon alps for quite some time and I’m in no way a heavy handed typist.
IMO the distaste from MX Browns is more due to an expectation that doesn't fit the switch. It isn't meant to be very tactile, it's meant to be barely noticeable really. When you have good typing posture and are a light typist, anything too overly tactile become fatiguing. Over the years I've learned to type faster and improve my form, and as that has changed I've started to type lighter and lighter. Well worn in browns, or tuned/lubed browns have become a great middle ground for me, because I prefer tactile, but topre and clears are fatiguing for my fingers now.
It makes sense that Chyros would dislike them, as he's a fairly heavy handed typist, with a unique form. This falls in line with his preference towards alps as well, since for the most part alps, in my experience, are much stiffer switches than cherry.
Bad condition alps feel stiffer than cherry, good oranges and blues feel mid way between browns and clears and are utterly non-fatiguing to type on. I’ve typed for 8+ hours a day on salmon alps for quite some time and I’m in no way a heavy handed typist.
I agree with this entirely. Blue alps feel much lighter than your average heavy switch.
I understand all of that, I just know that there are other minimally tactile switches available that aren't scratchy from the factory. You do you though, it is all subjective. I'm a clicky guy.
I also agree with sticking to keyboard layouts. There's no need to reinvent the wheel. In the 80s, yes, not anymore.
I wouldn't mind maybe trying to use browns until they wear in if that would actually make them feel better. I got a used Rosewill board with them for very, very cheap mostly just to be able to try the switch type. I think most of the caps are shiny from wear, so you would think that would mean that they're worn in, but maybe not.
I'm using some box navies for typing at home, but I still don't mind using even Cherry MX Red. Browns just feel terrible to me, and aren't tactile enough to be worth being tactile at all in light of this. I certainly haven't tried lubed ones though.
Again, they're only really meant to be barely noticeably tactile, since they were originally designed as an "ergo" option. Lubing them or just wearing them in for a few months makes them much nicer to use though.
I genuinely know linear switches that are more tactile than MX Brown.I'm using some box navies for typing at home, but I still don't mind using even Cherry MX Red. Browns just feel terrible to me, and aren't tactile enough to be worth being tactile at all in light of this. I certainly haven't tried lubed ones though.
Again, they're only really meant to be barely noticeably tactile, since they were originally designed as an "ergo" option. Lubing them or just wearing them in for a few months makes them much nicer to use though.
Exactly this. A lot of people seem to miss the point of MX browns. They aren't meant to be the most tactile thing in the world nor the smoothest (blame cherry molds for that), but properly tuned/lubed they're some of the nicest switch for typists with good form.
I understanding disliking MX browns if you've tried all the popular switches plus their tuned/lubed counterparts, at that point it's just personal preference. It is, however, a bit sad to see people bash brown switches just because they're readily available and not as tactile as some other existing switches (and somehow, making them bad? lol).
IMO the distaste from MX Browns is more due to an expectation that doesn't fit the switch. It isn't meant to be very tactile, it's meant to be barely noticeable really. When you have good typing posture and are a light typist, anything too overly tactile become fatiguing. Over the years I've learned to type faster and improve my form, and as that has changed I've started to type lighter and lighter. Well worn in browns, or tuned/lubed browns have become a great middle ground for me, because I prefer tactile, but topre and clears are fatiguing for my fingers now.
It makes sense that Chyros would dislike them, as he's a fairly heavy handed typist, with a unique form. This falls in line with his preference towards alps as well, since for the most part alps, in my experience, are much stiffer switches than cherry.
Bad condition alps feel stiffer than cherry, good oranges and blues feel mid way between browns and clears and are utterly non-fatiguing to type on. I’ve typed for 8+ hours a day on salmon alps for quite some time and I’m in no way a heavy handed typist.
I genuinely know linear switches that are more tactile than MX Brown.I'm using some box navies for typing at home, but I still don't mind using even Cherry MX Red. Browns just feel terrible to me, and aren't tactile enough to be worth being tactile at all in light of this. I certainly haven't tried lubed ones though.
Again, they're only really meant to be barely noticeably tactile, since they were originally designed as an "ergo" option. Lubing them or just wearing them in for a few months makes them much nicer to use though.
Exactly this. A lot of people seem to miss the point of MX browns. They aren't meant to be the most tactile thing in the world nor the smoothest (blame cherry molds for that), but properly tuned/lubed they're some of the nicest switch for typists with good form.
I understanding disliking MX browns if you've tried all the popular switches plus their tuned/lubed counterparts, at that point it's just personal preference. It is, however, a bit sad to see people bash brown switches just because they're readily available and not as tactile as some other existing switches (and somehow, making them bad? lol).
IMO the distaste from MX Browns is more due to an expectation that doesn't fit the switch. It isn't meant to be very tactile, it's meant to be barely noticeable really. When you have good typing posture and are a light typist, anything too overly tactile become fatiguing. Over the years I've learned to type faster and improve my form, and as that has changed I've started to type lighter and lighter. Well worn in browns, or tuned/lubed browns have become a great middle ground for me, because I prefer tactile, but topre and clears are fatiguing for my fingers now.
It makes sense that Chyros would dislike them, as he's a fairly heavy handed typist, with a unique form. This falls in line with his preference towards alps as well, since for the most part alps, in my experience, are much stiffer switches than cherry.
Bad condition alps feel stiffer than cherry, good oranges and blues feel mid way between browns and clears and are utterly non-fatiguing to type on. I’ve typed for 8+ hours a day on salmon alps for quite some time and I’m in no way a heavy handed typist.
I agree with this entirely. Blue alps feel much lighter than your average heavy switch.
I understand all of that, I just know that there are other minimally tactile switches available that aren't scratchy from the factory. You do you though, it is all subjective. I'm a clicky guy.
I also agree with sticking to keyboard layouts. There's no need to reinvent the wheel. In the 80s, yes, not anymore.
I wouldn't mind maybe trying to use browns until they wear in if that would actually make them feel better. I got a used Rosewill board with them for very, very cheap mostly just to be able to try the switch type. I think most of the caps are shiny from wear, so you would think that would mean that they're worn in, but maybe not.
If alps feel more lighter than a heavy switch thats really cool! i might try that out
IMO the distaste from MX Browns is more due to an expectation that doesn't fit the switch. It isn't meant to be very tactile, it's meant to be barely noticeable really. When you have good typing posture and are a light typist, anything too overly tactile become fatiguing. Over the years I've learned to type faster and improve my form, and as that has changed I've started to type lighter and lighter. Well worn in browns, or tuned/lubed browns have become a great middle ground for me, because I prefer tactile, but topre and clears are fatiguing for my fingers now.
It makes sense that Chyros would dislike them, as he's a fairly heavy handed typist, with a unique form. This falls in line with his preference towards alps as well, since for the most part alps, in my experience, are much stiffer switches than cherry.
Bad condition alps feel stiffer than cherry, good oranges and blues feel mid way between browns and clears and are utterly non-fatiguing to type on. I’ve typed for 8+ hours a day on salmon alps for quite some time and I’m in no way a heavy handed typist.
I agree with this entirely. Blue alps feel much lighter than your average heavy switch.
I understand all of that, I just know that there are other minimally tactile switches available that aren't scratchy from the factory. You do you though, it is all subjective. I'm a clicky guy.
I also agree with sticking to keyboard layouts. There's no need to reinvent the wheel. In the 80s, yes, not anymore.
I wouldn't mind maybe trying to use browns until they wear in if that would actually make them feel better. I got a used Rosewill board with them for very, very cheap mostly just to be able to try the switch type. I think most of the caps are shiny from wear, so you would think that would mean that they're worn in, but maybe not.
If alps feel more lighter than a heavy switch thats really cool! i might try that out
IMO the distaste from MX Browns is more due to an expectation that doesn't fit the switch. It isn't meant to be very tactile, it's meant to be barely noticeable really. When you have good typing posture and are a light typist, anything too overly tactile become fatiguing. Over the years I've learned to type faster and improve my form, and as that has changed I've started to type lighter and lighter. Well worn in browns, or tuned/lubed browns have become a great middle ground for me, because I prefer tactile, but topre and clears are fatiguing for my fingers now.
It makes sense that Chyros would dislike them, as he's a fairly heavy handed typist, with a unique form. This falls in line with his preference towards alps as well, since for the most part alps, in my experience, are much stiffer switches than cherry.
Bad condition alps feel stiffer than cherry, good oranges and blues feel mid way between browns and clears and are utterly non-fatiguing to type on. I’ve typed for 8+ hours a day on salmon alps for quite some time and I’m in no way a heavy handed typist.
I've tried NOS alps (sealed in original packaging board with whites) as well as very clean used alps in the past, all very stiff for me personally. Maybe if I somehow won the lottery necessary to be graced with an alps switch that was acceptable to "the enlightened" here I'd like them. I understand that Matias isn't super well regarded in the alps world, but even their "super light" linears feel stiffer than reds, which are what I assume to be the MX comparison.
How fatiguing a switch is, is very dependent on the user though. The design of alps tactile switches is inherently fatiguing for someone like me, in a very similar way that rubberdomes/topre are.
But I personally wouldn't ever really advocate for a switch that requires modification when new from the factory.
I think you just need to use some heavy switches a few days to become more accustomed to something heavier, if you really wanted to. Cherry MX Red feels almost like there's no spring at all to me now.
But I personally wouldn't ever really advocate for a switch that requires modification when new from the factory.
That's all well and good, but the majority of people in this hobby mod their switches, no matter how nice they are stock.
Browns don't need to be modded, they need to be used for a few months to break in because of bad tooling. Old browns are better because they were produced when the tooling was new, but the switch was not produced outside of specialty boards and random compaqs during that time, so they're hard to find. Vint blacks are talked about and praised a lot because they're everywhere. But if browns were more readily available when the tooling was new, I'm almost positive they would be thought of in the same "They're scratchy now, but the vints feel great" way.
I'm not sure if the tooling for browns was updated with their linears that recently got updated, but I imagine not. Someone feel free to clue me in if they were though.
I genuinely know linear switches that are more tactile than MX Brown.I'm using some box navies for typing at home, but I still don't mind using even Cherry MX Red. Browns just feel terrible to me, and aren't tactile enough to be worth being tactile at all in light of this. I certainly haven't tried lubed ones though.
Again, they're only really meant to be barely noticeably tactile, since they were originally designed as an "ergo" option. Lubing them or just wearing them in for a few months makes them much nicer to use though.
Exactly this. A lot of people seem to miss the point of MX browns. They aren't meant to be the most tactile thing in the world nor the smoothest (blame cherry molds for that), but properly tuned/lubed they're some of the nicest switch for typists with good form.
I understanding disliking MX browns if you've tried all the popular switches plus their tuned/lubed counterparts, at that point it's just personal preference. It is, however, a bit sad to see people bash brown switches just because they're readily available and not as tactile as some other existing switches (and somehow, making them bad? lol).
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My problem with MX brown is as follows. First, as Maledicted mentioned, MX browns have tactility that's on par with their scratchiness and therefore hard to detect. This is the most outwardly noticeable symptom, though not the root cause, which is where my problem with them lies.But I personally wouldn't ever really advocate for a switch that requires modification when new from the factory.
That's all well and good, but the majority of people in this hobby mod their switches, no matter how nice they are stock.
Browns don't need to be modded, they need to be used for a few months to break in because of bad tooling. Old browns are better because they were produced when the tooling was new, but the switch was not produced outside of specialty boards and random compaqs during that time, so they're hard to find. Vint blacks are talked about and praised a lot because they're everywhere. But if browns were more readily available when the tooling was new, I'm almost positive they would be thought of in the same "They're scratchy now, but the vints feel great" way.
I'm not sure if the tooling for browns was updated with their linears that recently got updated, but I imagine not. Someone feel free to clue me in if they were though.
But I personally wouldn't ever really advocate for a switch that requires modification when new from the factory.
That's all well and good, but the majority of people in this hobby mod their switches, no matter how nice they are stock.
Browns don't need to be modded, they need to be used for a few months to break in because of bad tooling. Old browns are better because they were produced when the tooling was new, but the switch was not produced outside of specialty boards and random compaqs during that time, so they're hard to find. Vint blacks are talked about and praised a lot because they're everywhere. But if browns were more readily available when the tooling was new, I'm almost positive they would be thought of in the same "They're scratchy now, but the vints feel great" way.
I'm not sure if the tooling for browns was updated with their linears that recently got updated, but I imagine not. Someone feel free to clue me in if they were though.
I also wouldn't, personally, advocate for switches that require breaking in when new from the factory. Modding for a very specific feel you can't get otherwise, of course, makes perfect sense to me. I've repeatedly thought about modified clickbars and spring weights to make Box Jades or Navies more of an intermediate weight, with much less of a tactile upstroke (more similar to alps), though I haven't tried anything yet. I don't have a massive sample size, but Cherry MX feels like Cherry MX to me, old or new. They've apparently been retooled many times since the "Vintage black" days.
You do what you have to do, man. I'm just making the point that there are very good reasons that most people do not like Cherry MX Brown. Nobody is wrong for liking them. Have you tried any of the Kailh Box tactiles?
My problem with MX brown is as follows. First, as Maledicted mentioned, MX browns have tactility that's on par with their scratchiness and therefore hard to detect. This is the most outwardly noticeable symptom, though not the root cause, which is where my problem with them lies.But I personally wouldn't ever really advocate for a switch that requires modification when new from the factory.
That's all well and good, but the majority of people in this hobby mod their switches, no matter how nice they are stock.
Browns don't need to be modded, they need to be used for a few months to break in because of bad tooling. Old browns are better because they were produced when the tooling was new, but the switch was not produced outside of specialty boards and random compaqs during that time, so they're hard to find. Vint blacks are talked about and praised a lot because they're everywhere. But if browns were more readily available when the tooling was new, I'm almost positive they would be thought of in the same "They're scratchy now, but the vints feel great" way.
I'm not sure if the tooling for browns was updated with their linears that recently got updated, but I imagine not. Someone feel free to clue me in if they were though.
This I will outline by following up on your point; the vintage MX browns I reviewed (in the original model of keyboard they were designed for, actually) were not, in my opinion, able to adequately or even noticeably address the issue mentioned above, although according to your theory, it should. However, the way I see it, the reason for their lacklustre tactility is not bad tooling; in my opinion, the whole design of tactile MX switches is not physically capable of generating a tactility that will NOT feel like scratchiness. The notch they use will always generate a wave-like, weak tactility, rather than a true tactile drop. It's not just MX brown, it's EVERY MX-type tactile switch. Lubrication will only make this worse, and no amount of spring swapping or other modding will ever fix this inherent issue. THAT is why I dislike tactile MX switches so much.
Of course, to each their own, but to me someone who likes tactile switches to have no tactility is as bizarre as someone who likes their switches to be as scratchy as possible, and saying it was never meant to be tactile in a noticeable way is saying it was designed to fail xD .
Let's face it. We're like the craft-beer drinkers of the keyboard world. Many like special custom beer fermented in special ways, with extra custom 'hops' that may not be tolerable to the average drinker.
MX Browns are like the Coors Light or Molson Canadian that is available at the chain restaurant because it is tolerable to most people, and good enough to get you drunk, given sufficient quantity.
I was going to write a big post about this when I was typing on an MX Brown keyboard for months, but I'll give you an abbreviated version:
MX Browns are a 'chill' switch. They are meant to be linears with a barely-noticeable bump.
They are a 'subconscious' switch. For touch typists, they give just enough subconscious feedback to indicate that a key has been pressed. That way, the typist can continue on an ergonomic low-tactility, low-weight switch without thinking about the switch at all.
They are meant to get out of your way. To be invisible. You don't type on MX Browns one character at-a-time. You type one-word-at-a time, one sentence at-a-time. You just imagine the word, and it appears on your screen. You don't think about typing.
It was clearly meant to be a business-like switch that isn't part of your conscious typing experience. The individual switch-feel is terrible, especially on new Browns. But you don't even feel this complete process if you type a full sentence. If you're a touch-typist and a light-typist, you don't even bottom-out on Browns, so it's just subconscious-activation directly to the next letter, with hardly any feel in-between.
Now, there are a lot of switch 'enthusiasts' here, and on Reddit. We want the best switch 'feel.' For some people, the typing is an end-in-itself. This is not who MX Brown is designed for. It's designed for average Joes and Janes who are entering spreadsheet data, typing Microsoft Office reports, gaming, and transcribing. They aren't looking for the optimum or 'premium' switch-feel, just something that works.
This is why MX Browns are unpopular in enthusiast communities, but are popular in the larger typing world. The end users are looking for different things.
But I personally wouldn't ever really advocate for a switch that requires modification when new from the factory.
That's all well and good, but the majority of people in this hobby mod their switches, no matter how nice they are stock.
Browns don't need to be modded, they need to be used for a few months to break in because of bad tooling. Old browns are better because they were produced when the tooling was new, but the switch was not produced outside of specialty boards and random compaqs during that time, so they're hard to find. Vint blacks are talked about and praised a lot because they're everywhere. But if browns were more readily available when the tooling was new, I'm almost positive they would be thought of in the same "They're scratchy now, but the vints feel great" way.
I'm not sure if the tooling for browns was updated with their linears that recently got updated, but I imagine not. Someone feel free to clue me in if they were though.
I also wouldn't, personally, advocate for switches that require breaking in when new from the factory. Modding for a very specific feel you can't get otherwise, of course, makes perfect sense to me. I've repeatedly thought about modified clickbars and spring weights to make Box Jades or Navies more of an intermediate weight, with much less of a tactile upstroke (more similar to alps), though I haven't tried anything yet. I don't have a massive sample size, but Cherry MX feels like Cherry MX to me, old or new. They've apparently been retooled many times since the "Vintage black" days.
You do what you have to do, man. I'm just making the point that there are very good reasons that most people do not like Cherry MX Brown. Nobody is wrong for liking them. Have you tried any of the Kailh Box tactiles?
It's just a meme in the community to hate browns, so I feel a need to defend them.
Break in is a real thing with a lot of good switches, silents especially I've found. It's plastic rubbing plastic which in most cases isn't super smooth. They can be smooth off the rip for sure, but I don't fault a switch for needing a break in period personally.
I've tried the boxes you're talking about, but only individually. I was cautious to use them at the time because of the stem issues they were having. But honestly, I don't like the look of them so I haven't had the desire to grab any personally.
I've tried a lot of switches over time, and I personally think vintage is a thing, even if it is just really worn in stems. The older housings even make new stems feel smoother in my experience.
You don't like the look of them? Are you using completely clear, unfrosted keycaps?
I was going to write a big post about this when I was typing on an MX Brown keyboard for months, but I'll give you an abbreviated version:
MX Browns are a 'chill' switch. They are meant to be linears with a barely-noticeable bump.
I am a touch typist, but not a particularly light one. The scratchiness of browns bothers me enough to make me think about each keystroke, although maybe I would just need to use them a while. It seems to me that any switch type can get out of your way/be invisible, it all comes down to what you're focusing on at the moment.
If I was to add an addendum to what I wrote about MX Brown being a 'chill' switch, I would say that MX Browns tend to reflect your emotional state at the time. I find that if I am bored with what I am typing, I just sort of listlessly peck away at them, it comes out as this very 'meh' flow. But if I am interested in what I am writing, it comes out more energetically. Being a bland switch without a lot of character, MX Browns may be more reflective of user force than other switches.
Let's face it. We're like the craft-beer drinkers of the keyboard world. Many like special custom beer fermented in special ways, with extra custom 'hops' that may not be tolerable to the average drinker.:thumb:
MX Browns are like the Coors Light or Molson Canadian that is available at the chain restaurant - a relatively consistent and affordable product that is tolerable to most people, and good enough to get you drunk, given sufficient quantity.
I find that if I am bored with what I am typing, I just sort of listlessly peck away at them,
But if I am interested in what I am writing, it comes out more energetically.
Did someone already mention that IBM Model Ms are not that great?
They're built like tanks, okay. They look good and have a great overall design.
But I can't stand typing on one for more than a few minutes. They don't feel that great and that sound might give some WWII veterans PTSD.
Did someone already mention that IBM Model Ms are not that great?
They're built like tanks, okay. They look good and have a great overall design.
But I can't stand typing on one for more than a few minutes. They don't feel that great and that sound might give some WWII veterans PTSD.
why do people like heavy switches?
I don't know maybe they need to compensate for something?
I disagree that they're built like tanks, if they weren't held together with plastic rivets, they would be. One might argue that the bolt mod is easy enough to do, which would probably make them amongst the tankiest boards around. I haven't attempted it with either of mine yet, though I know at least one needs it. The keys all feel terrible. The other's keys feel mushy to me. I would assume that since the guy I got it from is a Model M fanatic that it was in good condition inside, but I'll have to investigate that.
I do, however, like the Model M's sound. The Model F is the king of BS though. Lighter, smoother, more consistent.
I don't know that it is necessarily just heavy switches. I noticed that I love Box Navies, but I am not (yet) much of a fan of Cherry MX Black. They seem to fatigue me more quickly, and take more effort to ensure actuation ... somehow. Box Navies, while very heavy, do have better tactility and balance between the clickbar and return spring than Jades, and I think both switches have much better feel than the lighter switches in the spectrum. I don't know that any of that matters with Cherry MX, with those blues are just good enough either way.
They do have a pretty heavy built quality, even new Unicomps, compared especially to rubber dome keyboards.
But you are 1000% correct about bolt mods, many Model M's ages work against them so it's very possible to need that mod depending on how hard you type, and what you do on the keyboard. It also depends on the condition of the Model M you buy and how it comes, a great deal many were used for literal decades.
Model F's are the tanks, they are heavy, they are metal, and they are entire experiences of their own. My F122 was something I wanted, but it still scares me with how big it is. I love it, but I won't pretend it's a practical keyboard, It stays on my desk and I have no desk space in front of me now.
My Bigfoot is another tank that I use on my Mac, and it's fun, but it's got limitations, it's footprint is also just massive for what it is. I enjoy it, but people do think my setup is kooky.
Alas, the F AT you want does not have a metal lower casing, like the XT, 122, etc. The guts aren't all held together with plastic rivets though. If you wait long enough, maybe you might as well hold out for one of the new F77s in whatever modern layout you like and use your own F/M keycaps. I wanted an F122 myself since I could get very close to ANSI without ruining the plate, unlike an AT, but I have no desk space anywhere for those land whales anyway, and I have quite a few desks to populate.
I still do not understand the usefulness of a 60% keyboards, I at least need arrows. Also the excuse of space saving simply is invalid for me. If you do not have space for at least a ten-keyless, where is your monitor?
Alas, the F AT you want does not have a metal lower casing, like the XT, 122, etc. The guts aren't all held together with plastic rivets though. If you wait long enough, maybe you might as well hold out for one of the new F77s in whatever modern layout you like and use your own F/M keycaps. I wanted an F122 myself since I could get very close to ANSI without ruining the plate, unlike an AT, but I have no desk space anywhere for those land whales anyway, and I have quite a few desks to populate.
A man could only wish that all keyboards had that sort of plate, it makes a keyboard feel incredibly quality that is for sure.
I've been torn back and forth on the new F77's but really want to see a review done on one by Chryros or someone else on Youtube. I want to see them in peoples hands, hear the feedback before I commit. Thankfully there seems to be plans for another run.
I don't blame you on not having the space, it's a battle for me, I couldn't believe that my current desk was okay with the two, but I plan on getting an IKEA one soon enough and getting a BIIIIG key tray installed for the same reason. Once I get my wrists looked at, I may again go back to just one massive keyboard, instead of a setup that looks like a medieval Organ.
I still do not understand the usefulness of a 60% keyboards, I at least need arrows. Also the excuse of space saving simply is invalid for me. If you do not have space for at least a ten-keyless, where is your monitor?
have you tried using space as Fn? my workhorse is a conventional 60% and i work with a lot of spreadsheets. never needed anything bigger than 60% so far. my arrow cluster is like so:
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The Unitek K151Ls seem to be relatively cheap, and those are built like tanks. Metal plate, metal lower casing, even metal wire feet. I think they have NKRO as well, although I should really test that. They even have XT/AT switches. They come with "vintage" black switches, but I plan to swap mine for Kailh box switches eventually. The layout is AT, unfortunately.
F77 #191 is mine, so if there's nothing before I get it, I'll let you know what I think.
I don't think that your current desk is actually ok with it. I think it is suffering silently, praying for death. Those things may snap an IKEA desk in half. That would be a shame, the medieval organ looks great.
The Unitek K151Ls seem to be relatively cheap, and those are built like tanks. Metal plate, metal lower casing, even metal wire feet. I think they have NKRO as well, although I should really test that. They even have XT/AT switches. They come with "vintage" black switches, but I plan to swap mine for Kailh box switches eventually. The layout is AT, unfortunately.
F77 #191 is mine, so if there's nothing before I get it, I'll let you know what I think.
I don't think that your current desk is actually ok with it. I think it is suffering silently, praying for death. Those things may snap an IKEA desk in half. That would be a shame, the medieval organ looks great.
I'd love to see a Unitek K151L with Box Navies in it, that'd be a hell of a keyboard I'd say.
oooh! I'd love to hear what you think of it. From what you tell me we seem to share most of our keyboard tastes, so it'd be quite a bit if I got your opinion on the matter.
It just creaks and groans in the night, like oaks swaying in the wind, I thought all old desks did that. :D
...I still do not understand the usefulness of a 60% keyboards, I at least need arrows. Also the excuse of space saving simply is invalid for me. If you do not have space for at least a ten-keyless, where is your monitor?
have you tried using space as Fn? my workhorse is a conventional 60% and i work with a lot of spreadsheets. never needed anything bigger than 60% so far. my arrow cluster is like so:
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Do you mix a lot of hotkeys with the arrow keys when navigating a spreadsheet? Sometimes I'm using shift, sometimes ctrl, sometimes both (at least in Google Sheets, which is used a lot at work). Throwing yet another key to press into the works is a no-go as far as I'm concerned. a 75% isn't so much bigger that it makes any difference.
That was my thinking. They're not extremely sought-after, and were made by a company that nobody cares about, but actually subcontracted out to another company that nobody cares about, so swapping the switches wouldn't be sacrilege. Nice thick, hollow upper casing, on top of all of the steel everywhere, should make it a thunderous keyboard with some thick clicks. It actually makes it kind of sad that they wasted its earthquake potential on linear switches. They're cake to take apart too. I'll just have to decide which keyboards to prioritize. I have already put box navies into a k65, and box jades into this TG3 cop keyboard ... too many keyboards to mod, too little switches to put in them.
I'll keep you informed. I'm getting the zinc-cased one of course, since who would go with boring aluminum when given the choice? I need to be able to use it as armor, or a wheel block, etc, in an emergency, afterall.
You know, if you wall mount the monitors, you might be able to add another Model M to the medieval organ. It probably already really needs some steel crossbars for reinforcement as it is though.
I'd want to hear a video of just the popping thunder it'd create. I feel like it'd be probably pound for pound, one of the loudest and clickiest possible keyboards. I really wonder if it would amplify or stop the ping. (My F122 is surprisingly not very pingy.) Should you find time and switches to devote to them, please take pictures throughout the process, I'd love to see it.
I keep looking at the website and keep debating, I really think I'll get in on the next round as they are just so cool. Aluminum? Pfff, Zinc all the way! I don't feel safe unless my keyboard weighs as much as the wheels on my car. We need protection in these heady times.
I thought about it, but what you can't see in the picture is a shelf of knick-knacks that I keep above my monitors, I really need to find a wall shelf for them so I can free my desk of a shelf on it's back. That'd make a huge difference. I probably should add more Rebar, the last two snapped last night, They just don't make steel like they used to.
Aluminum? Pfff, Zinc all the way!
They're not going to be made forever, and finding an original zinc-cased F will be ... fun, down the road.
When I took my F-107 case to the metal shop to have it shot-blasted and anodized, I was assuming that it was aluminum.
After working with it for quite a while, they concluded that it was probably a rather low-grade zamak and that it would not be consistent enough in surface color and texture to do anything with except paint or powder coat. I discussed that in my guide.
I would need a fancy microphone. I will convert at least one of them to thick clicks for sure though. I have two of them because I liked how beefy the first was. I think one interesting thing about that is my box navy K65 noticeably pings with almost every keypress, and that's an exposed aluminum plate. I'm not sure how much of that is the nature of thick clicks and how much is slamming the caps against the plate with such heavy springs.
They're not going to be made forever, and finding an original zinc-cased F will be ... fun, down the road. Well, yeah. If you're ever caught in an f5 tornado, you could just cling to your F77 to keep from being swept into the air.
I have two monitors mounted to my desk surface with some of those gas spring arms. Another is mounted directly to a vertical slab of whatever wood-like substance this is, since it is one of those tiered corner desks. So, I really have 3 monitors mounted to my desk without taking up really any of the desk's surface. That's reserved for a bunch of junk that doesn't need to be there, of course.
You could make a concrete form and pour a new desk. That should handle the stress, hopefully.
No idea about the new ones.
In reality, it really doesn't matter that much about the metal unless you want it exposed or anodized. Metal is far stronger and more rigid than plastic, it is like how people obsess about a Model M bolt mod - you are replacing little stalks of plastic with steel screws that are orders of magnitude harder and stronger - you are changing it dramatically.
If you don't mind me asking, since you've been around a long time, what is your opinion on needing a bolt mod? I do know some really do need it, but is it a prevalent as everyone seems to make it out?
what is your opinion on needing a bolt mod?
what is your opinion on needing a bolt mod?
I like it because it gives me control and I can "tune" the feel the way I want it. After having done a dozen or so, it becomes a relatively rote task that is not too painful, although it is always fussy and sometimes you wish you hadn't.
There is no number or percentage of broken "rivets" that says the repair is necessary, although if there are a handful missing in a localized area you will probably have some dead or spongy-feeling keys.
For the timid, you can simply drill a partial hole and send a machine screw in from the back side to make a solid repair, although you will have to split the internal assembly completely apart if you want to thoroughly clean everything.
And lastly, as I have said many times before: you don't need to torque the screws down hard. "Light finger snug" is almost always plenty and if you tighten down the screws the feel usually gets worse, not better, in my opinion.
what is your opinion on needing a bolt mod?
I like it because it gives me control and I can "tune" the feel the way I want it. After having done a dozen or so, it becomes a relatively rote task that is not too painful, although it is always fussy and sometimes you wish you hadn't.
There is no number or percentage of broken "rivets" that says the repair is necessary, although if there are a handful missing in a localized area you will probably have some dead or spongy-feeling keys.
For the timid, you can simply drill a partial hole and send a machine screw in from the back side to make a solid repair, although you will have to split the internal assembly completely apart if you want to thoroughly clean everything.
And lastly, as I have said many times before: you don't need to torque the screws down hard. "Light finger snug" is almost always plenty and if you tighten down the screws the feel usually gets worse, not better, in my opinion.
It's like desoldering stuff. Takes a long time, but is worth it in the end.
what is your opinion on needing a bolt mod?
I like it because it gives me control and I can "tune" the feel the way I want it. After having done a dozen or so, it becomes a relatively rote task that is not too painful, although it is always fussy and sometimes you wish you hadn't.
There is no number or percentage of broken "rivets" that says the repair is necessary, although if there are a handful missing in a localized area you will probably have some dead or spongy-feeling keys.
For the timid, you can simply drill a partial hole and send a machine screw in from the back side to make a solid repair, although you will have to split the internal assembly completely apart if you want to thoroughly clean everything.
And lastly, as I have said many times before: you don't need to torque the screws down hard. "Light finger snug" is almost always plenty and if you tighten down the screws the feel usually gets worse, not better, in my opinion.
In time, I bought myself a beecaster from France on Ebay, it sounds really fancy when I put it that way. It was 100 bucks and wound up being the best mic I've ever used, even compared to a blue that I had briefly. (Had to sell it for rent, the Beecaster stays with me, it's just an excellent mic.) But the advice I'd say is, look up old high quality mics from companies that collapsed and get those, it makes a huge difference on the wallet. Neat is still barely around, but even their highest end microphones are 100 bucks now.
I plan on getting two more 4K monitors for my desk of the same make as my primary and mounting them on the wall, so I have all three future ready. (I'll ride this wayy into the time better tech is available, since this is still really new to me anywho.)
Concrete is a very viable material, with steel supports inside, and meshing, I should be able to get a few months out of that.
Desoldering doesn't take that long at all if you have the right tools for the job.
Cherry stabilisers feel truly awful.
I've always chosen costar as I don't care about rattle, but dug out a G80-3000 I had kicking about and hot damn do all the stabilised keys feel like total garbage.
Cherry stabilisers feel truly awful.
I've always chosen costar as I don't care about rattle, but dug out a G80-3000 I had kicking about and hot damn do all the stabilised keys feel like total garbage.
I actually wouldn't disagree with that at all. Costars do feel nice, not that I necessarily feel that Cherry ones feel terrible, but certainly not as nice as costars.
Cherry stabilisers feel truly awful.
I've always chosen costar as I don't care about rattle, but dug out a G80-3000 I had kicking about and hot damn do all the stabilised keys feel like total garbage.
I actually wouldn't disagree with that at all. Costars do feel nice, not that I necessarily feel that Cherry ones feel terrible, but certainly not as nice as costars.
I'm giving the G80 to a coworker, but I still couldn't help but take it apart and clip mod them, which did notably improve the feel, but I still overwhelmingly prefer costar, or alps stabs.
I'm giving the G80 to a coworker, but I still couldn't help but take it apart and clip mod them, which did notably improve the feel, but I still overwhelmingly prefer costar, or alps stabs.
I've at no point in time been able to tell a genuinely noticable enough difference in feel between costar and cherry, that I would choose one over the other based on that alone. However I will always choose prepped/modded cherry stabs over costar for both sound and convenience.
Costars aren't nearly the annoyance they were for me when i got my first mech, but every time i have to reseat a spacebar on one of my filcos i wince a bit inside for good measure.
Sound wise i can get them almost dead on where i like them, but no matter what i do, or how much dialectric grease i use, there's always and initial "click" with every stroke. It's tiny after lube, but because everything else on the board sounds great, it emphasizes it heavy.
Oh and gmk/doubleshot cherry being loose on them is a bummer. Not a fan of taping my stems, zzzzzzzz
Cherry stabilisers feel truly awful.
I've always chosen costar as I don't care about rattle, but dug out a G80-3000 I had kicking about and hot damn do all the stabilised keys feel like total garbage.
I actually wouldn't disagree with that at all. Costars do feel nice, not that I necessarily feel that Cherry ones feel terrible, but certainly not as nice as costars.
I'm giving the G80 to a coworker, but I still couldn't help but take it apart and clip mod them, which did notably improve the feel, but I still overwhelmingly prefer costar, or alps stabs.
I genuinely know linear switches that are more tactile than MX Brown.I'm using some box navies for typing at home, but I still don't mind using even Cherry MX Red. Browns just feel terrible to me, and aren't tactile enough to be worth being tactile at all in light of this. I certainly haven't tried lubed ones though.
Again, they're only really meant to be barely noticeably tactile, since they were originally designed as an "ergo" option. Lubing them or just wearing them in for a few months makes them much nicer to use though.
Exactly this. A lot of people seem to miss the point of MX browns. They aren't meant to be the most tactile thing in the world nor the smoothest (blame cherry molds for that), but properly tuned/lubed they're some of the nicest switch for typists with good form.
I understanding disliking MX browns if you've tried all the popular switches plus their tuned/lubed counterparts, at that point it's just personal preference. It is, however, a bit sad to see people bash brown switches just because they're readily available and not as tactile as some other existing switches (and somehow, making them bad? lol).
chyros moment
chyros moment
I genuinely know linear switches that are more tactile than MX Brown.I'm using some box navies for typing at home, but I still don't mind using even Cherry MX Red. Browns just feel terrible to me, and aren't tactile enough to be worth being tactile at all in light of this. I certainly haven't tried lubed ones though.
Again, they're only really meant to be barely noticeably tactile, since they were originally designed as an "ergo" option. Lubing them or just wearing them in for a few months makes them much nicer to use though.
Exactly this. A lot of people seem to miss the point of MX browns. They aren't meant to be the most tactile thing in the world nor the smoothest (blame cherry molds for that), but properly tuned/lubed they're some of the nicest switch for typists with good form.
I understanding disliking MX browns if you've tried all the popular switches plus their tuned/lubed counterparts, at that point it's just personal preference. It is, however, a bit sad to see people bash brown switches just because they're readily available and not as tactile as some other existing switches (and somehow, making them bad? lol).
chyros moment
chyros moment
chyros moment
Also, here's an unpopular opinion.
Alps whites are too tactile and too heavy.
That's a thing? xDI genuinely know linear switches that are more tactile than MX Brown.I'm using some box navies for typing at home, but I still don't mind using even Cherry MX Red. Browns just feel terrible to me, and aren't tactile enough to be worth being tactile at all in light of this. I certainly haven't tried lubed ones though.
Again, they're only really meant to be barely noticeably tactile, since they were originally designed as an "ergo" option. Lubing them or just wearing them in for a few months makes them much nicer to use though.
Exactly this. A lot of people seem to miss the point of MX browns. They aren't meant to be the most tactile thing in the world nor the smoothest (blame cherry molds for that), but properly tuned/lubed they're some of the nicest switch for typists with good form.
I understanding disliking MX browns if you've tried all the popular switches plus their tuned/lubed counterparts, at that point it's just personal preference. It is, however, a bit sad to see people bash brown switches just because they're readily available and not as tactile as some other existing switches (and somehow, making them bad? lol).
chyros moment
chyros moment
chyros moment
chyros moment
That's a thing? xD
This thread has made me positive that I am the bizzaro-world Chyros.
This thread has made me positive that I am wrong
This thread has made me positive that I am wrong
Checks out :P
Low-key?! Damn,sounds like I need to up my game (http://forum.falloutstudios.org/public/style_emoticons/default/I8.GIF) .That's a thing? xD
I would probably call it more of a Chyrosism. Some sort of low-key, almost passive aggressive, witty swipe at MX Browns in particular.
Low-key?! Damn,sounds like I need to up my gameThat's a thing? xD
I would probably call it more of a Chyrosism. Some sort of low-key, almost passive aggressive, witty swipe at MX Browns in particular.Show Image(http://forum.falloutstudios.org/public/style_emoticons/default/I8.GIF).
I'm sure this has been said a million times maybe, but I'm new. I don't get artisans. And I'm not talking about the koi pond ones or galaxy ones, or like that cool snow globe one that was a group buy around Christmas. I'm talking the ones where it's just a face of something, like an animal or monster, and it's those same faces/same molds, but just a different color to match. I don't get it. I understand wanting a novelty key that matches your keyboard, but those face ones just don't look that good. Like, I'd never want one near a keyboard of mine.
Being a Chyros stan isn't cute lad >:(
Ooh boy I'm gonna have the least popular opinions haha
1. If you don't have a real 10-key, you were probably never trained to use them. If you don't have one but have to do a bunch of arithmetic or fill in spreadsheets, you will want to kill yourself before you're 30 seconds in.
2. Clicky switches are for people who are so insecure they need people to REALLY know that they're typing
3. If you know how to type, you will only ever look at the keyboard very rarely so who cares if there is anything on them or not? If they're cheaply printed it doesn't matter if you wear off the printing because that would only ever be on the keys you don't look at anyway.
4. If I don't look at my keyboard to type, why should it have to be pretty with all sorts of RGB and colored keycaps? Waste of money and distracting.
5. There's not even anything wrong with a good rubber-dome keyboard. The first keyboard I got for myself I bought for $7 in 1996 and I used it until 2010 when it broke for the last time. Individual little yellow rubber domes glued on the contact sheet. Spill a drink on it? Take it apart, wipe the sheet between the contacts and let it dry. Put it back together and viola, no problems. Toss the keycap tray in the dish washer, good as new. New rubber domed keyboard usually also have ****ty shallow keys so I can't say they're good but still. Don't discount something that works if it's comfortable to use.
6. If you don't have F-keys, you can F-yourself. How am I supposed to 1-handed alt-f4 if I have to ALSO press an Fn key of some kind? We invented 104-key boards for a reason.
7. Dvorak was a scam artist and people still believe his lies. Qwerty was developed to facilitate Morse code transcription by grouping letters with common prefixes. Since Morse code is already optimized for minimalist messages, it turns out that keyboard layouts based on Morse are already incredibly good. Check out the Smithsonian magazine on the origin of the Sholes typewriter and Qwerty if you don't believe me.
8. Touch typing does not mean that every finger gets its own column. It means you know how to type without looking at the keyboard aka by touch. People who force themselves to using one column per finger are limiting their flexibility and not achieving their maximum typing potential by using their bodies natural finger positions.
I use a Topre Type Heaven, which gives me that nice rubber-dome softness on bottom-outs along with very durable switches, and a completely normal 45g weight on each switch. Some of the Realforce and other fancy topre keyboards have different weights on different keys, and that totally screws me up. Also, this only cost me $150 while keyboard with 2/3rds of the keys can cost twice as much. What a waste of money.
Ooh boy I'm gonna have the least popular opinions haha
1. If you don't have a real 10-key, you were probably never trained to use them.
2. Clicky switches are for people who are so insecure they need people to REALLY know that they're typing
8. Touch typing does not mean that every finger gets its own column. It means you know how to type without looking at the keyboard aka by touch. People who force themselves to using one column per finger are limiting their flexibility and not achieving their maximum typing potential by using their bodies natural finger positions.
snipMost of these can be boiled down to use case and personal opinion, which is perfectly reasonable IMO, though what bugs me is point 2, as I'm sure a lot of people likes their clicky choices not solely because of the fact that they are design to produce clicky sound, but rather the feel they impart, as there will always be an inherent difference between the feel imparted by mechanism of clicky and tactile switches, e.g: clicky switches will always have a comparatively 'cleaner/sharper' break than their tactile counterpart.
Ooh boy I'm gonna have the least popular opinions haha10key in numpad is the real deal.
1. If you don't have a real 10-key, you were probably never trained to use them. If you don't have one but have to do a bunch of arithmetic or fill in spreadsheets, you will want to kill yourself before you're 30 seconds in.
2. Clicky switches are for people who are so insecure they need people to REALLY know that they're typingSome clicks sound nice and that's about it.
3. If you know how to type, you will only ever look at the keyboard very rarely so who cares if there is anything on them or not? If they're cheaply printed it doesn't matter if you wear off the printing because that would only ever be on the keys you don't look at anyway.Aesthetics.
4. If I don't look at my keyboard to type, why should it have to be pretty with all sorts of RGB and colored keycaps? Waste of money and distracting.Aesthetics.
5. There's not even anything wrong with a good rubber-dome keyboard. The first keyboard I got for myself I bought for $7 in 1996 and I used it until 2010 when it broke for the last time. Individual little yellow rubber domes glued on the contact sheet. Spill a drink on it? Take it apart, wipe the sheet between the contacts and let it dry. Put it back together and viola, no problems. Toss the keycap tray in the dish washer, good as new. New rubber domed keyboard usually also have ****ty shallow keys so I can't say they're good but still. Don't discount something that works if it's comfortable to use.Amen! My Compaq RT101 is an amazing keyboard, I just wish it was smaller.
6. If you don't have F-keys, you can F-yourself. How am I supposed to 1-handed alt-f4 if I have to ALSO press an Fn key of some kind? We invented 104-key boards for a reason.
7. Dvorak was a scam artist and people still believe his lies. Qwerty was developed to facilitate Morse code transcription by grouping letters with common prefixes. Since Morse code is already optimized for minimalist messages, it turns out that keyboard layouts based on Morse are already incredibly good. Check out the Smithsonian magazine on the origin of the Sholes typewriter and Qwerty if you don't believe me.I'm a Qwertz fossil, so nothing much to say, other than Dvorak is useless at anything else than typing in English.
8. Touch typing does not mean that every finger gets its own column. It means you know how to type without looking at the keyboard aka by touch. People who force themselves to using one column per finger are limiting their flexibility and not achieving their maximum typing potential by using their bodies natural finger positions.I actually learned "the actual, government-approved" ten finger touch typing method recently, not only I experienced more fatigue in longer periods of time, but mainly, it's just so unnatural for my right hand.
20-key numpad da bomb yo :cool: .Ooh boy I'm gonna have the least popular opinions haha10key in numpad is the real deal.
1. If you don't have a real 10-key, you were probably never trained to use them. If you don't have one but have to do a bunch of arithmetic or fill in spreadsheets, you will want to kill yourself before you're 30 seconds in.
Ooh boy I'm gonna have the least popular opinions haha
2. Clicky switches are for people who are so insecure they need people to REALLY know that they're typing
3. If you know how to type, you will only ever look at the keyboard very rarely so who cares if there is anything on them or not? If they're cheaply printed it doesn't matter if you wear off the printing because that would only ever be on the keys you don't look at anyway.
4. If I don't look at my keyboard to type, why should it have to be pretty with all sorts of RGB and colored keycaps? Waste of money and distracting.
5. There's not even anything wrong with a good rubber-dome keyboard. The first keyboard I got for myself I bought for $7 in 1996 and I used it until 2010 when it broke for the last time. Individual little yellow rubber domes glued on the contact sheet. Spill a drink on it? Take it apart, wipe the sheet between the contacts and let it dry. Put it back together and viola, no problems. Toss the keycap tray in the dish washer, good as new. New rubber domed keyboard usually also have ****ty shallow keys so I can't say they're good but still. Don't discount something that works if it's comfortable to use.
6. If you don't have F-keys, you can F-yourself. How am I supposed to 1-handed alt-f4 if I have to ALSO press an Fn key of some kind? We invented 104-key boards for a reason.
1. People who don't need F keys for their work on computers don't do real work on computers.
2. Artisan keycaps hurt your fingers and your eyes.
2a. The less they hurt your eyes, the more they hurt mine.
1. Anything that exceeds Microsoft Office (or Emacs :-)) work.
I think I prefer alps salmon to orange.
They’re amazingly smoother lubed, and lube actually works on them.
I think I prefer alps salmon to orange.
They’re amazingly smoother lubed, and lube actually works on them.
Is that unpopular? I haven’t heard Orange but Salmon ALPS sound better than any other flicks switch I’ve heard.
I think I prefer alps salmon to orange.
They’re amazingly smoother lubed, and lube actually works on them.
Is that unpopular? I haven’t heard Orange but Salmon ALPS sound better than any other flicks switch I’ve heard.
Orange are considered a bit better but Alps in general are good.
I think I prefer alps salmon to orange.
They’re amazingly smoother lubed, and lube actually works on them.
Is that unpopular? I haven’t heard Orange but Salmon ALPS sound better than any other flicks switch I’ve heard.
Orange are considered a bit better but Alps in general are good.
I have never had the pleasure of trying salmon or orange alps, besides maybe in an old Apple board a guy I know is hoarding at a recycling place. That was merely for a moment though. Tactile Alps, in general, seem to be the only tactiles I have tried that seem to have much of any real use.
Wait really? How have you been living without trying Alps at least once?
A couple from me.
- Cherry's model of developing a limited and easy to understand range of switches is better for the consumer than certain manufacturers I can mention who throw every conceivable iteration at the marketplace in order to see what will stick.
- The MX keycap mount needs to die! Could we not all get behind a hollow "light-well" slider design? I suggest Kailh KO - it combines the best features of that firm's box switch and the Omron B3K (Romer-G, etc).
I agree, for the most part, on your first point. I do love clickbar switches though.
On the second ... I have an Azio Retro Classic with what I think are some of those sliders in them. It feels pretty terrible to type on, and I was going to see if I could swap the switches. If that slider type still allows for clickbars, maybe I wouldn't mind? What exactly are the benefits of that slider over MX stems?[/list]
As many keyboard aficionados love the old look and feel of heavier boards like model M and such, I'll get some insults pretty sure but here: I don't like high profile keyboard and prefer standard profile exposing switches.
High profile looks outdated and bulky to me. I prefer a more minimal look. On top of it, seeing switches is not a flaw to me as I like seeing the mecanism. I'm also a cleaning maniac and I hate not being able to remove every bit of dust/hair/etc that gets stuck in the high profile casing. Being able to thoroughly clean the whole plate is more satisfying to me on a standard/low profile board.
Alright, I've said it. Ready for the flaming :)
Yeah, high-profile can seem unnecessary and bulky at times. It creates a more solid-looking keyboard, but as you say, that aesthetic is not always wanted.
I have a high-profile Majestouch, and it is a bother to clean. My low-profile keyboards don't seem to have attracted as much dust and particles. People say that the low-profile keyboards get dirtier easier, but I think it is easier to spot and remove it.
They both have their place. I like to use taller switches on high-profile keyboards, such as OEM and eventually MT3. The deep well of the keyboard is more suited to accommodating these tall keycaps. There are SA sets made especially for the Filco, that are seated really well in the case, even if I don't like the profile.
And I like to use shorter keycaps on the low-profile boards. They match the sleekness and lower-profile of the case. They might be better to use at desk-level, being slightly shorter, whereas the high-profile boards with taller keycaps might be better in under-desk trays, since I think they were basically designed for high-profile, OEM-keycap boards.
As many keyboard aficionados love the old look and feel of heavier boards like model M and such, I'll get some insults pretty sure but here: I don't like high profile keyboard and prefer standard profile exposing switches.
High profile looks outdated and bulky to me. I prefer a more minimal look. On top of it, seeing switches is not a flaw to me as I like seeing the mecanism. I'm also a cleaning maniac and I hate not being able to remove every bit of dust/hair/etc that gets stuck in the high profile casing. Being able to thoroughly clean the whole plate is more satisfying to me on a standard/low profile board.
Alright, I've said it. Ready for the flaming :)
What flaming? Those are almost all pretty valid points. That's one of the many things that I like about Corsair's K65 and K70 boards, an exposed plate with easy cleaning. What is it that you mean by low profile though? I wouldn't sacrifice switch feel for aesthetics myself, if you're talking about non-standard height switches on top of it.
I like both though. I don't particularly care about profile. I have never been picky about that. I'm using a new F77 this very moment, and I have a K70 5 feet from me.
Ah thank you, feeling less lonely now! It just seems to me the general consensus shifted heavily in favor of high profile recently and people seem to dislike those low profiles board now (not only here but on other forums/websites too). Might also be the normal "everything that goes mainstream is not cool anymore". Happens to switches, boards and in other domains too.
I began with a K70 and slowly moved toward smaller form factor. GMMK TKL and Magicforce 68. I don't use my K70 anymore. I never thought I'd like smaller than TKL but really, 65% really grew on me and will become my daily for sure. I'm back on my TKL because it has hotswap and I wanted to try other switches but I really prefer my Magicforce in terms of form. My eyes are on something like Massdrop alt (another example of a board that everybody claims is better in high profile). Now if only they could offer a black version of their low profile version... That silver is too shiny for my tase and so hard to match with keycaps.
At work I use a Coolermaster Quickfire TK (wanted smaller + numpad) but that high profile casing is really not my thing.
Ah thank you, feeling less lonely now! It just seems to me the general consensus shifted heavily in favor of high profile recently and people seem to dislike those low profiles board now (not only here but on other forums/websites too). Might also be the normal "everything that goes mainstream is not cool anymore". Happens to switches, boards and in other domains too.
I began with a K70 and slowly moved toward smaller form factor. GMMK TKL and Magicforce 68. I don't use my K70 anymore. I never thought I'd like smaller than TKL but really, 65% really grew on me and will become my daily for sure. I'm back on my TKL because it has hotswap and I wanted to try other switches but I really prefer my Magicforce in terms of form. My eyes are on something like Massdrop alt (another example of a board that everybody claims is better in high profile). Now if only they could offer a black version of their low profile version... That silver is too shiny for my tase and so hard to match with keycaps.
At work I use a Coolermaster Quickfire TK (wanted smaller + numpad) but that high profile casing is really not my thing.
Don't mind the herd. You do you. Preference is preference, subjective. ;)
I have modded a K65 to have an aviator connector and box navies in it. I plan to mod more k65s and k70s similarly with navies and jades. They've got great bones ... if you don't mind the struggle of taking them apart and putting them back together.
I don't care about form factor so long as it has dedicated arrow keys myself. I can't get my favorite sorts of switches in those sizes ... unless I want to murder an SKCM blue keyboard, but I wouldn't mind a 65% with box jades and dedicated arrows. I need all of the desk space I can get at work for working on laptops.
Those Drop Alts look great to me. They're aluminum, right? If you like the keyboard a lot, maybe you could take it to a metal finishing shop, one that does anodization. They could strip the anodization and anodize and dye it whatever color you like from there. Not sure how much that might cost you though. Probably less if you tell them you're in no hurry and to just toss it in with whatever their next black dyed batch ends up being.
I'm a big fan of the old Quickfire Rapids. I never did like the aesthetics of the TK. I saw one for cheap and passed it up.
Yes, the alt/ctrl/shift are all aluminum keyboards. From what people say, they are not Leopold/Filco quality (stabs are pretty rattly for instance) but I really like the form factor (keycaps are a bit more limited due to right shift and row positioning of that right most column), aesthetics, double USB-C (passthrough) connectors, hotswap, QMK and while not cheap they are also not too expensive.
A more black/dark charcoal low profile alt would probably set me up for many years (not sure why they only offer the black version on their high profile... many people looking at the low profile are asking for the black version... they might offer one eventually). You are right, I could check with a metal finishing shop but damn would I be a bit nervous to leave this in a shop haha. Once I settle down with the alt, I will probably switch my Quickfire TK at work with my GMMK TKL (not really using that much that numpad after all).
Can't really complain about my TK quality though. It is plastic and not really special in any way but for what I paid, it does the job and feels pretty good. Coolermaster make pretty good board in that price range to be honest.
*Additional support for what I'm saying comes from my recent experience in trying my MX Brown keyboard again, after the Ergo Clears.
When I returned to the MX Brown keyboard, I noticed myself hammering the keys. I was just pounding each keypress, bottoming-out hard with each keystroke. I hardly felt any tactility, it felt kind of mushy and buttery to me.
I hadn't always blown through the keys like that, and it made me realize that other people coming from heavier or more tactile keyboards might also be mashing MX Brown keyboards when trying them out, and not really feeling the subtleties of the switch. You have to have a more gentle legato across the keys. It's not better or worse than other methods of typing, but it has its own logic that should be obeyed in order to appreciate the switch. MX Brown is a subtle "collective" switch, rather than an individual switch.
All I think about when typing with browns is how terrible they feel. I don't think about anything else.
I also dislike Cherry MX in general, so that can't help. I used Cherry MX Reds exclusively for the first few years of my mechanical experience. I think I always mashed them until they bottom out, just with less force when I was adjusted to their springs, and I still don't look back fondly on the typing experience other that it felt better than cheap rubber domes.
Plate mount stabs are superior :-X ;D
Truth is, Browns often feel bad on an individual basis. And that can detract from the entire typing experience. Cherry really should have tried harder to 1. eliminate scratchiness / grittiness 2. eliminate ping and 3. lube those switches. For starters.
I genuinely know linear switches that are more tactile than MX Brown.I'm using some box navies for typing at home, but I still don't mind using even Cherry MX Red. Browns just feel terrible to me, and aren't tactile enough to be worth being tactile at all in light of this. I certainly haven't tried lubed ones though.
Again, they're only really meant to be barely noticeably tactile, since they were originally designed as an "ergo" option. Lubing them or just wearing them in for a few months makes them much nicer to use though.
Exactly this. A lot of people seem to miss the point of MX browns. They aren't meant to be the most tactile thing in the world nor the smoothest (blame cherry molds for that), but properly tuned/lubed they're some of the nicest switch for typists with good form.
I understanding disliking MX browns if you've tried all the popular switches plus their tuned/lubed counterparts, at that point it's just personal preference. It is, however, a bit sad to see people bash brown switches just because they're readily available and not as tactile as some other existing switches (and somehow, making them bad? lol).
chyros moment
chyros moment
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chyros moment gives off the same energy as shaded avatar moment
But yeah browns feel almost the same as reds
chyros moment gives off the same energy as shaded avatar moment
But yeah browns feel almost the same as reds
I think Chyros' description of them is apt, browns feel like scratchy reds. I'm sorry Dale.
They're good, but super unreliable xD .chyros moment gives off the same energy as shaded avatar moment
But yeah browns feel almost the same as reds
I think Chyros' description of them is apt, browns feel like scratchy reds. I'm sorry Dale.
I always describe them to friends as dirty reds, because they feel like they have grit in them. I'm always surprised by how many people like them. I don't think I'm the kind of people those switches had in mind.
I've always wanted to try Omrons, I've only heard good things about them.
Here's a potentially unpopular opinion: MX Browns are not good or bad, they just have a logic of their own.
They're good, but super unreliable xD .
Here's a potentially unpopular opinion: MX Browns are not good or bad, they just have a logic of their own.
I agree with what you said about the MX Browns fully. Very well put. When I type on Browns and try to enjoy it, it does not work. They are not enjoyable. But when I do work using Browns, I sometimes notice how quick and effortlessly I type, compared to other types of switches that I actually enjoy (Box Pinks, for example).
At some point I decided to replace the MX Browns on my Leopold board with something else, but later I realized that Browns have their use. It's what you described in your post.
At some point I decided to replace the MX Browns on my Leopold board with something else, but later I realized that Browns have their use. It's what you described in your post.
I think I've found your problem. You haven't tried AlpsTo be fair, many here also haven’t tried ergo clears, especially the new comers - who will all believe that the Holy Panda and the zero pre-travel switch is the ultimate tactile feeling switch.
Music to my ears - what’s your lubing process of choice for ergo clears?
If properly-lubed, the Ergo Clears won't be excessively scratchy, and will even have a semi-thocky sound. So they are an 'acceptable' Cherry tactile switch.
ALPS SKCL switches are more tactile than Cherry MX Browns. :thumb:That's not an opinion, that's a fact :p .
My unpopular opinion is that there is some validity to finding a decent gaming switch. I'm in search of something as responsive as MX silvers, but without the faster activation (1.3mm) and shallower key fee.
ALPS SKCL switches are more tactile than Cherry MX Browns. :thumb:That's not an opinion, that's a fact :p .
I am going to go against the grain here and defend what I feel is a highly underrated keyboard of any kind. Topre/HHKB! My favorite board in the world. So much so I spent $$$ making cases and modding the heck out of them. Now there is absolutely nothing that can be complained about IMO!
Edited. there is one issue with Topre and cherry stems and GMK caps I mentioned elsewhere. Very stiff. I keep typing "I" and end up with "i" upsetting. completely ruins my WPM to go back and fix all that. I do not understand why it is only the "I" key? How odd.
It seems like people are hating on them now?
Your right mal'. Use the left shift? It is too far away? Or use the lock? I do not understand shift and "*"? It renders just that, not "I". I think it is the actuation. I am making many mistypes now. AFAIK there is no way to tell what actuation point you are on? Sorry for OT.
Isn't the right shift closer to 'I" than the left? I do not get it? Indeed If I type "finger style" like someone that does not know how to type I hit It every single time! It is me not actuating it! plus I am misfiring other words as well! Do you know how you tell what Actuation point you are on too? So I should be using the left shift? That is complete re-learn after 60+ years! Not going to be easy! Since I am used to 170 WPM. Now due to correcting typo's(no pun intended) I am only pulling 90 WPM! Huge difference! Either these caps go or I have to go MX unfortunately. You may be aware I will not take a pic of my board do to property copy right reasons but you should see this. I love this so much. I would hate to give this up. This is my Grail. I know it does not have an "actual" value but I would part with it for $65,000. Not kidding. Not because I just don't want to sell it either. I have that much parts and labor into it! Please do not start walie. Just leave me alone for once. I am mostly counting research and labor here. i do have really 8 grand of parts into it amazingly. With the computer i had 100% intention of returning that. It really was spec'd that way but I had no intent whatsoever of that being my computer. i just wanted highest benchmark.
So I just need to know two things. 1, I use the left shift?
2, how do I know which actuation i am on?
OH, I get it! Left shift with left hand and I with right hand. Duh! I am so stupid. I was just stretching my hand. I am a freaking idiot! Could you imagine me with a split board LOL.
Now I just need to figure out actuation point. I figure how about read manual, double duh! I win the Idiot award this morning! At least I am on the way to typing even faster thanks to you!
Thank you!
I am going to go against the grain here and defend what I feel is a highly underrated keyboard of any kind. Topre/HHKB! My favorite board in the world. So much so I spent $$$ making cases and modding the heck out of them. Now there is absolutely nothing that can be complained about IMO!
Edited. there is one issue with Topre and cherry stems and GMK caps I mentioned elsewhere. Very stiff. I keep typing "I" and end up with "i" upsetting. completely ruins my WPM to go back and fix all that. I do not understand why it is only the "I" key? How odd.
Isn't there a lot of love for Topre and the HHKB layout? It seems to me that that's actually a very popular opinion.
You don't reach to the Zen of keyboarding until you can type absolutely accurate and quiet. Modding your keyboard is good only if it helps you mod yourself.
You don't reach to the Zen of keyboarding until you can type absolutely accurate and quiet. Modding your keyboard is good only if it helps you mod yourself.
I like clickies, so I'm doomed to never attain nirvana?
You don't reach to the Zen of keyboarding until you can type absolutely accurate and quiet. Modding your keyboard is good only if it helps you mod yourself.
I like clickies, so I'm doomed to never attain nirvana?
If you hear only the click, not the sound of bottom out or the lift, you're already (or almost) there.
Actually trying to be gentle in typing forces me to concentrate. On every keystroke. And I find it easier on linear keyboards.
You don't reach to the Zen of keyboarding until you can type absolutely accurate and quiet. Modding your keyboard is good only if it helps you mod yourself.
I like clickies, so I'm doomed to never attain nirvana?
If you hear only the click, not the sound of bottom out or the lift, you're already (or almost) there.
Actually trying to be gentle in typing forces me to concentrate. On every keystroke. And I find it easier on linear keyboards.
You must be typing slow like that then..
You don't reach to the Zen of keyboarding until you can type absolutely accurate and quiet. Modding your keyboard is good only if it helps you mod yourself.
I like clickies, so I'm doomed to never attain nirvana?
If you hear only the click, not the sound of bottom out or the lift, you're already (or almost) there.
Actually trying to be gentle in typing forces me to concentrate. On every keystroke. And I find it easier on linear keyboards.
You must be typing slow like that then..
It's similar to driving a car. Once you're smooth, you'll be accurate. Once you're accurate, you'll go fast.
I took delivery of some nice clean SKCL greens today, they are indeed more tactile than browns!
Pleasantly surprised by how nice and different they are to linearised pine alps, the spring feels quite different.
I took delivery of some nice clean SKCL greens today, they are indeed more tactile than browns!
Pleasantly surprised by how nice and different they are to linearised pine alps, the spring feels quite different.
Wonderful, aren't they? I still feel that resurrecting complicated Alps would eventually kill MX (in the consumer market anyway), once caps, boards, etc, etc, became more common. With all of these wonderful new switch mechanisms coming out though, maybe it won't be very long before there are better options in all categories.
I took delivery of some nice clean SKCL greens today, they are indeed more tactile than browns!
Pleasantly surprised by how nice and different they are to linearised pine alps, the spring feels quite different.
Wonderful, aren't they? I still feel that resurrecting complicated Alps would eventually kill MX (in the consumer market anyway), once caps, boards, etc, etc, became more common. With all of these wonderful new switch mechanisms coming out though, maybe it won't be very long before there are better options in all categories.
I am totally on board with that, but at the same time I am skeptical of that scenario. I am skeptical because so-called "Wintel" PCs beat Mac hardware back in the day for almost the same reason Cherry MX is winning now: they are everywhere, they are "good enough," and the clones are cheap. Jeez, a $50 Chinese board is not a bad value proposition, and you know it comes with Kaihl browns or, if we're getting crazy, some clicky blue switch or something. The keycap market alone will keep the Cherry mount viable for the next well, forever, if you ask me.
How about Alps-based switches with Cherry mounts? Now we're starting to have fun.
I don't really expect complicated alps to ever come back as much as we'd like them to, and it's for that reason that I've built up a hoard of various switches to last me a lifetime. They're just too complicated and the risk and cost of remanufacturing them and living up to the originals is just too great.
It's certainly an unpopular opinion but I fully take matias refusal to ever do it as evidence that it'll never happen. The commercial barrier to entry is just too great.
Happy to be proven wrong, and for my stash of switches to become worthless if cheap better alps recreations become available, but I can't see it happening.
I don't know that I would want Matias to be the ones to do it anyway, so that works for me. There's risk and cost in everything that has any chance at success. Ellipse resurrected capacitive buckling spring, and did a fine job at it.
I don't know that I would want Matias to be the ones to do it anyway, so that works for me. There's risk and cost in everything that has any chance at success. Ellipse resurrected capacitive buckling spring, and did a fine job at it.
Buckling springs are a fair bit simpler than complicated alps, I'd love to be wrong, but there's just too big an investment in tooling imo.
Those Chinesium boards usually suck though (though there are exceptions). Great for the price, not great in other categories. Windows systems vs Intel Macs isn't a great example either, since the hardware was often equivalent ... or even identical, just some were paying significantly more for the Apple logo and operating system which wasn't necessarily any better than Windows. If you're talking PPC, then they sometimes had better hardware, but the difference in performance still certainly was not worth the difference in price. Apple will never compete in that regard because their profit margins have always been high. Then there's the fact that Apple cripples their hardware with planned obsolesce in order to sell the next new thing, and operates within an extremely restrictive closed ecosystem, intentionally. Entirely different scenario.
Those Chinesium boards usually suck though (though there are exceptions). Great for the price, not great in other categories. Windows systems vs Intel Macs isn't a great example either, since the hardware was often equivalent ... or even identical, just some were paying significantly more for the Apple logo and operating system which wasn't necessarily any better than Windows. If you're talking PPC, then they sometimes had better hardware, but the difference in performance still certainly was not worth the difference in price. Apple will never compete in that regard because their profit margins have always been high. Then there's the fact that Apple cripples their hardware with planned obsolesce in order to sell the next new thing, and operates within an extremely restrictive closed ecosystem, intentionally. Entirely different scenario.
On another board we could have a very lively discussion about the extent of our disagreement about the value proposition of Apple hardware vs. PC/Windows machines in the 80s and 90s. You are misguided, sir!
Anyway, I think to ignore that inexpensive Chinese hardware is a mistake. Unpopular opinion stated.
I don't know that I would want Matias to be the ones to do it anyway, so that works for me. There's risk and cost in everything that has any chance at success. Ellipse resurrected capacitive buckling spring, and did a fine job at it.
Buckling springs are a fair bit simpler than complicated alps, I'd love to be wrong, but there's just too big an investment in tooling imo.
The mechanism is simpler, the materials aren't cheap though, and you can't just make a buckling spring switch, he had to recreate the entire board. Not entirely equivalent, of course, but it should still be a good example.
Not trying to downplay his incredible achievement btw, can't wait for ours to turn up once the dye subbing is done.
Yeah, I mean that was literally the conversation we were having just now. Hahaha.
What keyboard reviews btw say there's a proper way to type? I hate that crap. That's the kind of stuff I like geekhack for. Very much a forum for those who just like keyboards and like what they like and nobody cares.
As for typing on buckling spring without bottoming out, yes it's possible. I have discovered, despite my typical protestation, that I don't bottom out on some keys I type on my right hand with my Model M, or I do it so softly so to not notice it even when trying to feel it. I typically don't bottom out on the backspace key, for example. Hard to believe since the actuation point is so close to the bottom out point and the tactility is such that one would expect it, but here we are.
I'm sure it's been mentioned in this massive thread already, but I've been reading switch reviews again and keep coming across the attitude of "the only proper way to type is without bottoming out" which is just so bloody condescending and annoying.
I'm sure it's been mentioned in this massive thread already, but I've been reading switch reviews again and keep coming across the attitude of "the only proper way to type is without bottoming out" which is just so bloody condescending and annoying.
I enjoy bottoming out, it's simply a pleasant tactile sensation with all of my keyboards. In fact, I'm not even sure it's possible to type on bucking spring without bottoming out- perhaps it is, but it would be extremely annoying.
Some people bottom out, and apparently some people don't. Really no idea why someone would insist that there is only One True Way to type. It's like insisting that only Dvorak, DSA, or TKL are 'right' and that everything else is therefore 'wrong'.
If you’re typing at any decent pace on MX Greens or other 70g+ switches and bottoming out on every press it’ll really wear your fingers. Hence, it took quite some time to becoming accustomed to Trues but after doing so, typing on them is very pleasant (still not as good for typing as Topre or Clears, I’ve found).
If you’re typing at any decent pace on MX Greens or other 70g+ switches and bottoming out on every press it’ll really wear your fingers. Hence, it took quite some time to becoming accustomed to Trues but after doing so, typing on them is very pleasant (still not as good for typing as Topre or Clears, I’ve found).
I bottom out with box navies, and type pretty fast. That's never bothered me with a 90g bottom out. I actually find it easier on my fingers with heavier switches than lighter ones, at least until I adjust to the lighter ones.
I don't agree, it physically doesn't make sense that using more force would be better on your fingers. Gaming in general is a chore on heavy switches, as is typing; I'm not even sure what the appeal of them is.
ortho is the futurePeople will stop using physical keyboards before that day xD .
I don't agree, it physically doesn't make sense that using more force would be better on your fingers. Gaming in general is a chore on heavy switches, as is typing; I'm not even sure what the appeal of them is.
More force in general to use the switch..but the amount of net force you hit bottom with is probably less given the higher weight to achieve that.....That's how I interpreted what he said given what he said about light switches, but I could be wrong.
Gaming in general is a chore on heavy switches, as is typing; I'm not even sure what the appeal of them is.
ortho is the futurePeople will stop using physical keyboards before that day xD .
I'm sure it's been mentioned in this massive thread already, but I've been reading switch reviews again and keep coming across the attitude of "the only proper way to type is without bottoming out" which is just so bloody condescending and annoying.
Yeah, that's just nonsense. Ignore it.
You don't need more sets of keycaps than you have keyboards.
I only ever use my left shift key to alt + tab on steam, I'd much rather WKL boards just cut the left shift ;D
I would almost agree, but left shift is pretty useful for sprinting, etc, in some games as well, and various other hotkeys. Otherwise, with normal typing, I never use it either.
QuoteI would almost agree, but left shift is pretty useful for sprinting, etc, in some games as well, and various other hotkeys. Otherwise, with normal typing, I never use it either.
I never really played MMOs growing up, I started PC gaming with a MOBA so I sat my hand on qwer + spacebar, as such I found the wad+shift position awkward and uncomfortable, so whenever I play games with sprinting as shift i either re-map it to f or a mouse button.
In fact in FF XIV I used software to make my mouse buttons Toggle shift and Alt for more spell usage
I hate MMOs. I don't play them. How many MMOs even have sprint? I imagine it wouldn't be a majority. Shift has been the standard shift key in all genres for decades. Never even heard of qwer + spacebar, but I don't play MOBAs either.
QuoteI hate MMOs. I don't play them. How many MMOs even have sprint? I imagine it wouldn't be a majority. Shift has been the standard shift key in all genres for decades. Never even heard of qwer + spacebar, but I don't play MOBAs either.
No, No I meant that MMOs using shift as a modifier is a requirement, so the default hand placement is AWD + Shift. Which is where I think most people learned it from, based on talking to friends.
In MOBAs the spells by default are either on qwer or 1234, the natural hand position one would acquire if they simply attempted to put their 4 fingers on those keys would align the thumb with spacebar.
Having said all this my first game was a MOBA and I didn't play a PC game until I was 18 so maybe I'm a weird exception
You don't need more sets of keycaps than you have keyboards.
Backstory- I recently discovered a totally unused and forgotten JTK Sophomore set stashed in storage. 4 years later I look at it and wonder what I was thinking at the time. On any one of my boards, I have kept the original caps, or changed them at most once.
Agreed but there are so many nice keycap sets and I have to have them all :eek: They are cheaper than boards too so... ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
QuoteI would almost agree, but left shift is pretty useful for sprinting, etc, in some games as well, and various other hotkeys. Otherwise, with normal typing, I never use it either.
I never really played MMOs growing up, I started PC gaming with a MOBA so I sat my hand on qwer + spacebar, as such I found the wad+shift position awkward and uncomfortable, so whenever I play games with sprinting as shift i either re-map it to f or a mouse button.
In fact in FF XIV I used software to make my mouse buttons Toggle shift and Alt for more spell usage
Those copies of Honeywell are nothing near the real thing. I think the only company that could pull it off cheaply is Tai Hao. Although EnjoyABS could do it as a mid-priced set.
RN it's sitting on a Leopold that has Ergo Clears. It sounds very deep for a board with Cherry switches. Honeywell is such a striking set that it is actually distracting, though, so I have been switching to darker, lower-contrast sets.
It looks gorgeous, but it's a bit too distracting for a generic office setup.
- I think the ergodox layout is sub-optimal and made even worse when the keyboard is properly tented.
- I hate Model Ms. I think they're overrated and mediocre feeling in comparison to MX, Alps, and Topre. Model Fs are the only buckling spring boards worth using...and that includes the SSK being in play.
- Alps>MX>Mathias Alps. Mathias Alps, while not bad, just do not feel anywhere as nice as Green, Blue, or Orange Alps. Even Salmon and dampened Cream Alps are nicer.
- Orange Alps are as good as Topre and dramatically cheaper. They're also easier to mod.
- I think SA profile is literally the worst key cap profile I have ever tried. I'd rather use slick and shiny halfway worn through SP DCS caps than an SA set.
- I think 40% keyboards are silly and a gimmick that creates more work to use than it's worth. I'd prefer to create a palm sized chorded keyboard and learn how to chord keys than use a 40%.
- 75% keyboards provide an interesting middle ground between 60%, TKL, and fullsize, but I think every single one of them looks stupid and all have weird layouts.
- Every keyboard should have a winkey.
- Full sized keyboards should all be made with the num pad arrow keys, and so on on the left hand side.
- Plate mounted Topre boards like Realforce and the FC660C are horrible feeling and you might as well just buy a rubber dome keyboard like a Dell Quietkey or DT-35 and mount it to a metal plate with a layer of insulation between the plate and the PCB.
- I hate blank key caps. They're like spinners on cars to me.
I had some more, but they're less about keyboards and more about how people treat keyboards and caps. And this is unpopular opinions, so I expect a fair amount of disagreement.
1. MX Brown/clear switches are worse than linear switches, and that's saying a lot because...
2. Linear switches are an unpleasant experience and they shouldn't exist.
3. Topre is overpriced and over hyped.
4. ABS as a keycap material is fine, even more so if they're doubleshot.
5. Full sized keyboards are the best.
6. "They don't make them like they used to." The standard build quality on vintage keyboards is better than 95% of the crap being mass produced today.
7. I'd rather have a CMStorm QFR than your $800 Korean TLK 'custom' riced-out kawaii whatever.
Bring on the hate ;D
1. MX Brown/clear switches are worse than linear switches, and that's saying a lot because...
2. Linear switches are an unpleasant experience and they shouldn't exist.
3. Topre is overpriced and over hyped.
4. ABS as a keycap material is fine, even more so if they're doubleshot.
5. Full sized keyboards are the best.
6. "They don't make them like they used to." The standard build quality on vintage keyboards is better than 95% of the crap being mass produced today.
7. I'd rather have a CMStorm QFR than your $800 Korean TLK 'custom' riced-out kawaii whatever.
Bring on the hate ;D
Doesn't make sense considering the CMStorm QFR uses Cherry switches... So if 1&2 are both true, then what switch is the best. Confusing.
I know what you mean. It looks gorgeous, but it's a bit too distracting for a generic office setup. My work board has Tai Hao Dolch on it. My ridiculously nice GMK Carbon set is being used on a kid's computer at home :/
It looks gorgeous, but it's a bit too distracting for a generic office setup.
I use SA Dasher at work, people regularly paused when they came over to talk to me to be completely bowled over by how gorgeous the set is. No such thing as "too distracting" imo, people get used to it.
I love my hhkb. The layout is perfect for vi.
I've owned mx brown and blue and enjoy the feel of the topre more.
If you're doing office work or gaming, I get why you may not like the layout, but for software development, it's perfect.
What would you say are the most popular? One online reviewer said neon green Alps were close in feel to the topre, but the actuation point was higher. They feel great, imo, but it's so rare to be able to try them out without forking over the cash.
Speaking of which, I have some heresy to add to this thread: Matias switches feel and sound close enough to SKCM Alps to not matter. I could easily use them interchangeably with my SKCM and capacitive buckling spring boards, if it weren't for the chatter I have already experienced on a brand new board.
Speaking of which, I have some heresy to add to this thread: Matias switches feel and sound close enough to SKCM Alps to not matter. I could easily use them interchangeably with my SKCM and capacitive buckling spring boards, if it weren't for the chatter I have already experienced on a brand new board.
I'll double down on the heresy. I agree with you completely, except no chatter in my case.
Speaking of which, I have some heresy to add to this thread: Matias switches feel and sound close enough to SKCM Alps to not matter. I could easily use them interchangeably with my SKCM and capacitive buckling spring boards, if it weren't for the chatter I have already experienced on a brand new board.
I'll double down on the heresy. I agree with you completely, except no chatter in my case.
Interesting. I've actually never tried them as I thought it wouldn't be worth it. This makes me want to give it a shot. Tbh, I'm still pretty skeptical ^-^
I hate the double bump of those Matias switches, feels awful. Not so bad on the linear (or tactile depending how you want to view them) switches but it feels like two distinct bumps on clicky/tactile.
I do not like them, Sam I Am. :)
I think he means the initial tactility, and then, if you get near bottoming out there's a slight second tactile bump, less even than Browns. You normally plow right through it considering the first bump is so tactile. You kind of have to be looking for it to notice.
Clickies. Unsure about dampened, but I think the click leaf is the same, just the slider is different, so I think it would have the same secondary tactile bump.
I literally do not know how to read these, but I think that these show it a little bit.
https://deskthority.net/viewtopic.php?t=15278
I do not care how good a board is if it comes from the PRC I don't want it...
ROC , Korea.... anyplace other than china yes... 100% **** Chinese made boards....
100% **** china in general
Taiwan is not China...
I do not care how good a board is if it comes from the PRC I don't want it...
ROC , Korea.... anyplace other than china yes... 100% **** Chinese made boards....
100% **** china in general
Taiwan is not China...
Forgive my "disrespectful" rant, but as a beginner (almost a year in MK generally) I really don't like anything about keycult keyboards. They all look a bit crappy for me, there is nothing (a single thing), which would scream WOW or WANT.
PS: Don't kill me please, peace!
Forgive my "disrespectful" rant, but as a beginner (almost a year in MK generally) I really don't like anything about keycult keyboards. They all look a bit crappy for me, there is nothing (a single thing), which would scream WOW or WANT.
PS: Don't kill me please, peace!
I feel the same way.
This is another one of those opinions which probably isn't unpopular :)
I don't really get the designer/boutique keyboard trend either. To me a keyboard is a tool, and having quality tools is important, but the focus on aesthetics is a bit much.
I don't really get the designer/boutique keyboard trend either. To me a keyboard is a tool, and having quality tools is important, but the focus on aesthetics is a bit much.
The same can be said about watch and car.
The same can be said about watch and car.
The same can be said about watch and car.
The people who like boring keyboards, and I am grouping myself in with this set of people, like them at least partially because it's a rejection of the trendiness and design via ruler that many current custom keyboards have. It's a deliberate choice to not go into that.
I ask myself sometimes, why am I using a Model M all the time when my alps boards feel better (slightly), sound better (slightly) and have more features? Probably that bomb ass design scheme and industrial case, honestly, and that's a rejection of the deliberately obscure and mainstream trends in the hobby right now both.
If I'm truly honest with myself, I have to ask myself if I like the Model M because the current mainstream doesn't care, and the big chunk of vintage hobbyists dismiss it sometimes? Do I just reject being grouped in with these people? I think I do.
UT40U4A | Unicomp | 2020-04-16 | Funkmon | Unicomp New Model M 104 key | https://imgur.com/a/YKr4lOG
1398601 | Lexmark | 1992-12-04 | Funkmon | Lexmark Branded 101 key | https://imgur.com/a/U6K4Hg8
1390572 | IBM | 1986-04-16 | Funkmon | Square badge 122 key | https://imgur.com/a/1Vporrg
1395665 | IBM | 1997-10-09 | Funkmon | Grey oval 102 key terminal, may have been serviced | https://i.imgur.com/dYOoZd2.png
52G9700 | Lexmark | 1993-09-28 | Funkmon | Blue oval 101 key transplanted to industrial case and repaired by Unicomp 2020-05-18 | https://i.imgur.com/JqiSjOo.jpg
1395660 | IBM UK | 1999-11-17 | Funkmon | Blue oval 122 key | https://imgur.com/a/5y8hVT5
CP40K16 | Unicomp | 2012-08-15 | Funkmon | Unicomp Black 101 key with credit card reader | https://i.imgur.com/YoyiAEB.jpg
the Model M has essentially no standout feature, other than being very good, but not excellent, at everything.
See now that's an unpopular keyboard opinion that I think is secretly held by a lot of people. You always see things like "oh of course the Model M is a great keyboard, but look at these Alps." Or "Well it's nothing compared to the Model M, but anyway, these Gateron Yellows..." it's like people think they need to say something in acknowledgement of the greatness of the Model M but don't believe in it.
I do believe in it, I have around 2 dozen Models M from 1986 through 2020, but It's really like just a great utility player in baseball. My default when people ask me about keyboards is "buy a Model M." If they are Apple losers it's "Buy a Matias." Here, I usually tell people to buy a $30 Amazon **** board since if they're interested enough in keyboards they're going to want to try out a bunch of stuff, but in real life, Models M are just like A- boards in everything, and that's why they're so good.
Like, for us, we both love our Matias Tactile Pros, right? I'd literally only ever suggest one to a Mac user or a keyboard enthusiast who wants a new keyboard. The chatter issues, the weird design, the flex (whatever the plastic is), the lasered keycaps that don't matter, the potential dirt sensitivity of Alps switches, and the price mean that while I use it as much or more than any other single keyboard, it's not something I'll tell someone to get.
A Model M is $50 used or $90 from Unicomp, which is a lot of money, but being under a hundred really is a good psychological factor, plus the keys are bulletproof, and the feel is one of the best in keyboards, IMO, and not that much worse than Models F.
But, for us enthusiasts, we are trying to find something in particular somehow. Like we really want a linear switch or something heavy, or something super light, or something small, or something with feature X, and we just can't take the fact that the Model M has essentially no standout feature, other than being very good, but not excellent, at everything.
I think it might be our inability to settle that is keeping us on this keyboard train for ages. Like, at some point, we just have to be like "okay, this keyboard looks dumb as **** and has thin keycaps and is a Mac layout" or "this thing's perfect but I want to wear earplugs and shoot whoever invented stepped keycaps," or "great layout but too big and it's a little bit too heavy," "but it's basically perfect in the other ways so I'm going to deal with it."
Like, I mean, I used the Model F XT for a while, right? I was cool with it. But then, I had to update the Model M subreddit wiki with dates and part numbers and crap, and Reddit's table layout creation is entirely text based. As in, this is what it looks like when you're editing it.QuoteUT40U4A | Unicomp | 2020-04-16 | Funkmon | Unicomp New Model M 104 key | https://imgur.com/a/YKr4lOG
1398601 | Lexmark | 1992-12-04 | Funkmon | Lexmark Branded 101 key | https://imgur.com/a/U6K4Hg8
1390572 | IBM | 1986-04-16 | Funkmon | Square badge 122 key | https://imgur.com/a/1Vporrg
1395665 | IBM | 1997-10-09 | Funkmon | Grey oval 102 key terminal, may have been serviced | https://i.imgur.com/dYOoZd2.png
52G9700 | Lexmark | 1993-09-28 | Funkmon | Blue oval 101 key transplanted to industrial case and repaired by Unicomp 2020-05-18 | https://i.imgur.com/JqiSjOo.jpg
1395660 | IBM UK | 1999-11-17 | Funkmon | Blue oval 122 key | https://imgur.com/a/5y8hVT5
CP40K16 | Unicomp | 2012-08-15 | Funkmon | Unicomp Black 101 key with credit card reader | https://i.imgur.com/YoyiAEB.jpg
Because of formatting issues, I had to flip between the number pad and the navigation cluster with enough frequency I said **** it and pulled the Matias back out.
This attitude of ours is a problem.
the Model M has essentially no standout feature, other than being very good, but not excellent, at everything.
I kinda mostly agree with your essay, but the fact that you are saying this about a 34-year-old keyboard is amazing in light of what has happened in every other area of computing.
Climbing into the time machine back to those heady days, arguably the biggest impact that the Model M had on the keyboard world was that it standardized the "modern" layout!
And then there is the fact that the Model M is was introduced as an extreme cheapening and downgrade in quality from the Model F(s) in all their weird breeds ....
I think it might be our inability to settle that is keeping us on this keyboard train for ages. Like, at some point, we just have to be like "okay, this keyboard looks dumb as **** and has thin keycaps and is a Mac layout" or "this thing's perfect but I want to wear earplugs and shoot whoever invented stepped keycaps," or "great layout but too big and it's a little bit too heavy," "but it's basically perfect in the other ways so I'm going to deal with it."
I think it might be our inability to settle that is keeping us on this keyboard train for ages. Like, at some point, we just have to be like "okay, this keyboard looks dumb as **** and has thin keycaps and is a Mac layout" or "this thing's perfect but I want to wear earplugs and shoot whoever invented stepped keycaps," or "great layout but too big and it's a little bit too heavy," "but it's basically perfect in the other ways so I'm going to deal with it."
There's a good unpopular opinion. I think stepped capslocks on modern aftermarket sets are an affectation. Form over function, as they offer less contact area to press a key (which should be mapped to Control or something else more useful). Yet in another recent thread, the bulk of posters insisted that stepped caps lock should be available.
I think it might be our inability to settle that is keeping us on this keyboard train for ages. Like, at some point, we just have to be like "okay, this keyboard looks dumb as **** and has thin keycaps and is a Mac layout" or "this thing's perfect but I want to wear earplugs and shoot whoever invented stepped keycaps," or "great layout but too big and it's a little bit too heavy," "but it's basically perfect in the other ways so I'm going to deal with it."
There's a good unpopular opinion. I think stepped capslocks on modern aftermarket sets are an affectation. Form over function, as they offer less contact area to press a key (which should be mapped to Control or something else more useful). Yet in another recent thread, the bulk of posters insisted that stepped caps lock should be available.
I’d make them available solely because of compatibility. Not every board is going to have the ability for both.
all a step does is reduce the usable contact surface of the cap.
The butterfly ones are the best. Who needs travel?Quoteall a step does is reduce the usable contact surface of the cap.
That's why the Apple chiclet keyboards are the best. Maximum cap surface.
I think it might be our inability to settle that is keeping us on this keyboard train for ages. Like, at some point, we just have to be like "okay, this keyboard looks dumb as **** and has thin keycaps and is a Mac layout" or "this thing's perfect but I want to wear earplugs and shoot whoever invented stepped keycaps," or "great layout but too big and it's a little bit too heavy," "but it's basically perfect in the other ways so I'm going to deal with it."
There's a good unpopular opinion. I think stepped capslocks on modern aftermarket sets are an affectation. Form over function, as they offer less contact area to press a key (which should be mapped to Control or something else more useful). Yet in another recent thread, the bulk of posters insisted that stepped caps lock should be available.
I never understand why there are people spending 2-3k to buy a keycult board. In the meantime, I'm glad that they are not spending that money on a beamspring so I can hopefully purchase one soon before they realize there will be more keycults but not more beamsprings.
My sense is that the community is now pretty diverse, with a lot of money coming from programmers, people who like anime, gamers... etc. Every group has different preferences... I can see why something that make good photos or signal status on social media can sell well.
Personally I like vintage boards but I don't use them as daily drivers on a regular basis. They tend to take too much desk space and are not supported by QMK. While Hasu's USB controller and other converters allow custom keymaps, QMK simply provides much more flexibility and only get better. I'm also unlikely to travel with a Model M or F.
I think it might be our inability to settle that is keeping us on this keyboard train for ages. Like, at some point, we just have to be like "okay, this keyboard looks dumb as **** and has thin keycaps and is a Mac layout" or "this thing's perfect but I want to wear earplugs and shoot whoever invented stepped keycaps," or "great layout but too big and it's a little bit too heavy," "but it's basically perfect in the other ways so I'm going to deal with it."
There's a good unpopular opinion. I think stepped capslocks on modern aftermarket sets are an affectation. Form over function, as they offer less contact area to press a key (which should be mapped to Control or something else more useful). Yet in another recent thread, the bulk of posters insisted that stepped caps lock should be available.
I’d make them available solely because of compatibility. Not every board is going to have the ability for both.
Oh, even if you don't swap capslock and leftcontrol, having a stepped caps lock is purely cosmetic. As 1. it's a very rarely used key and 2. all a step does is reduce the usable contact surface of the cap.
I guess aftermarket keycaps are all about cosmetics anyway, so I'm really just digging for something to complain about :)
I have always liked the look of a stepped caps lock key
use it to help prevent themselves from accidentally pressing caps lock. I know that's actually a key that I have accidentally pressed when not intending to.
Rating alps switches out of 10 is dumb and should stop being a thing. Everyone that sells alps should post a photo of the inside of a few switch tops to show the condition of the tracks as that's what actually matters.
Also, if you've ultrasonic cleaned and lubed 1st gen alps, I'm gonna assume that they were in terrible condition and could never be genuinely decent.
Rating alps switches out of 10 is dumb and should stop being a thing. Everyone that sells alps should post a photo of the inside of a few switch tops to show the condition of the tracks as that's what actually matters.
Also, if you've ultrasonic cleaned and lubed 1st gen alps, I'm gonna assume that they were in terrible condition and could never be genuinely decent.
Haha holy smokes! Been burned a few times on those bad lads?
Stepped Caps Lock is VASTLY underrated, it should be a 100% standardisation IMO.
I have always liked the look of a stepped caps lock key
use it to help prevent themselves from accidentally pressing caps lock. I know that's actually a key that I have accidentally pressed when not intending to.
I really like stepped keys, I wish there were more of them.
Stepped Caps Lock is VASTLY underrated, it should be a 100% standardisation IMO.I like that most boards support both stepped and unstepped. For persons that want Caps Lock there but don't use it often, stepped is optimal. For folks mapping either control, backspace, or some other function there, unstepped is better.
Stepped Caps Lock is VASTLY underrated, it should be a 100% standardisation IMO.
Stepped Caps Lock is VASTLY underrated, it should be a 100% standardisation IMO.
While I totally understand why it is stepped, can anyone one explain why there are so many stepped keys on Model F XT 83?
Stepped Caps Lock is VASTLY underrated, it should be a 100% standardisation IMO.
While I totally understand why it is stepped, can anyone one explain why there are so many stepped keys on Model F XT 83?
That is indeed really odd. Only guess I have is that they designed it such that you don’t need to make multiple copies of legend insert moulds. Everything is 1u.
I had always read that it was to prevent the need for stabilizers beneath the longer caps, as it forced the typist to always depress the switch from the center of the cap.
Yes, that's what I've been led to believe as well.Stepped Caps Lock is VASTLY underrated, it should be a 100% standardisation IMO.
While I totally understand why it is stepped, can anyone one explain why there are so many stepped keys on Model F XT 83?
That is indeed really odd. Only guess I have is that they designed it such that you don’t need to make multiple copies of legend insert moulds. Everything is 1u.
I had always read that it was to prevent the need for stabilizers beneath the longer caps, as it forced the typist to always depress the switch from the center of the cap.
For folks mapping either control, backspace, or some other function there, unstepped is better.Holding Control by mistake and pressing another key would be worse than holding Caps Lock by mistake and then another key.
I don't know how unpopular this is but I'll share anyway.
I think mini 1800 keyboards like the candy bar and the elongate look damn fantastic but I can't get in on these because they are missing the . ; / ' keys. How do you get through a day of typing without period and question mark keys?
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I don't know how unpopular this is but I'll share anyway.
I think mini 1800 keyboards like the candy bar and the elongate look damn fantastic but I can't get in on these because they are missing the . ; / ' keys. How do you get through a day of typing without period and question mark keys?
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I find designs like the second board additionally confusing because they deliberately include a numpad, but cut down on all the keys that you'd use in conjunction with a dedicated numpad- the arithmetic operators. I asked about this in a thread on the Clarabelle, and the Enter key is achieved by hitting "." twice, but I'm not sure how +-*/ are accessed, and in any case, if you're a heavy numpad user, you'd probably want to access these keys without resorting to function layers.
I guess there must be fairly common cases for dependence on a numpad without the associated operator buttons.
I wouldn't waste time trying to figure out, how 40 % keyboards or the mini 1800 stuff are useful.
They're exactly as useful as "custom coiled cables" and "artisans". ;)
I don't know how unpopular this is but I'll share anyway.
I think mini 1800 keyboards like the candy bar and the elongate look damn fantastic but I can't get in on these because they are missing the . ; / ' keys. How do you get through a day of typing without period and question mark keys?
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I find designs like the second board additionally confusing because they deliberately include a numpad, but cut down on all the keys that you'd use in conjunction with a dedicated numpad- the arithmetic operators. I asked about this in a thread on the Clarabelle, and the Enter key is achieved by hitting "." twice, but I'm not sure how +-*/ are accessed, and in any case, if you're a heavy numpad user, you'd probably want to access these keys without resorting to function layers.
I guess there must be fairly common cases for dependence on a numpad without the associated operator buttons.
I agree. Here's an alternate layout I came up with. While it may be more functional, I don't think it looks as good. It's not as balanced. Looks pretty jenky actually. So I guess in trying to improve it, it kind of loses the spirit of what these compact boards are trying to achieve.
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Most of the time when looking at these boards, my brain goes cross eyed trying to figure out how I would hit things like tab, num lock, let alone common shortcuts like alt+tab, alt+F4. It looks cool but it's just a traffic jam of unusability. If I designate the numpad as my number row I can access my symbols but then sacrifice my nav cluster. If I do the opposite, I get home, end pgup and pgdn which I use a lot but then I lose my symbols. Ugh, my brain hurts.
At the end of the day, this is just me griping. These really are fantastic looking keyboards and the designers are clearly talented. If you can figure out how to use it I say power to you and that makes you more clever than me. Maybe one day I'll get one of these and lock myself in a dark room for a month so that I'm forced to learn how to use it. After all, I just want to be one of the cool kids :D
I don't know how unpopular this is but I'll share anyway.
I think mini 1800 keyboards like the candy bar and the elongate look damn fantastic but I can't get in on these because they are missing the . ; / ' keys. How do you get through a day of typing without period and question mark keys?
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I find designs like the second board additionally confusing because they deliberately include a numpad, but cut down on all the keys that you'd use in conjunction with a dedicated numpad- the arithmetic operators. I asked about this in a thread on the Clarabelle, and the Enter key is achieved by hitting "." twice, but I'm not sure how +-*/ are accessed, and in any case, if you're a heavy numpad user, you'd probably want to access these keys without resorting to function layers.
I guess there must be fairly common cases for dependence on a numpad without the associated operator buttons.
I agree. Here's an alternate layout I came up with. While it may be more functional, I don't think it looks as good. It's not as balanced. Looks pretty jenky actually. So I guess in trying to improve it, it kind of loses the spirit of what these compact boards are trying to achieve.
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Most of the time when looking at these boards, my brain goes cross eyed trying to figure out how I would hit things like tab, num lock, let alone common shortcuts like alt+tab, alt+F4. It looks cool but it's just a traffic jam of unusability. If I designate the numpad as my number row I can access my symbols but then sacrifice my nav cluster. If I do the opposite, I get home, end pgup and pgdn which I use a lot but then I lose my symbols. Ugh, my brain hurts.
At the end of the day, this is just me griping. These really are fantastic looking keyboards and the designers are clearly talented. If you can figure out how to use it I say power to you and that makes you more clever than me. Maybe one day I'll get one of these and lock myself in a dark room for a month so that I'm forced to learn how to use it. After all, I just want to be one of the cool kids :D
I think this looks well thought out and well balanced, though obviously you'd have to retrain your left hand for numpad. It's also obviously not as cut down as the others.
https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=105187.0;topicseen
My unpopular opinions:
1. IBM Model M is not that good. It’s too big, too stiff, too scratchy. The only good thing about it is the perfect synchronization between tactile feedback, audio feedback and actuation.
2. Cherry MX switches are fine. Most boutique switches have only novelty value. Standard Cherry MX line of switches covers almost all niches, except for the clicky switches.
3. Cherry MX Browns are actually not bad. Like many of us, when I started with this hobby, I purchased a keyboard on “universal” MX Browns. Then as my experience grew, I started to read that Browns are “scratchy” or “not tactile enough”, and I started to despise them. But eventually I understood that this is the switch that it’s very easy to type on. It’s not especially pleasant to touch an individual Brown switch. It does not produce good sound either. But when you type, the tactile event is just right to help with the flow without asking for extra attention. Some switches just ask “Feel how tactile I am, and how smooth! Enjoy me!”. Browns do their job without getting in the way.
4. Cherry MX Blacks are actually not bad. Some describe them as too stiff. I normally prefer lighter switches, and find BS or MX Clears and even MX Blues too stiff. But Blacks for some reason feel good. I like to type energetically on them, to bottom out each key.
5. Windows key is essential, Menu key is actually useful.
So the crazy part is that if you say your unpopular opinions to a normal tier nerd who maybe has a mechanical keyboard but doesn't obsess, he'd go "yeah duh." If you say it on reddit.com/r/mechanicalkeyboards, they'll form a mob and hunt you down.
So the crazy part is that if you say your unpopular opinions to a normal tier nerd who maybe has a mechanical keyboard but doesn't obsess, he'd go "yeah duh." If you say it on reddit.com/r/mechanicalkeyboards, they'll form a mob and hunt you down.
There's no contradiction there though, in the context of enthusiasts, MX brown is utterly unremarkable. It's like going to a coffee forum and wading into every thread about how you like mcdolands coffee the best.
It's a bland switch if you expect to love and appreciate what you type on. I used an MX brown board for about a decade and it never once ruined my day. I never paused to think "oh my I love this thing" though either.
Cherry MX, Gateron, Outemu, Kailh, Greetech etc. are basically all the same.
Cherry MX, Gateron, Outemu, Kailh, Greetech etc. are basically all the same.
I don't hate rubber domes.
Do I get to keep my membership?
Not sure whether this is an unpopular opinion, or perhaps more contentious. I've been thinking about this one a while, as a result of not paying attention to keyboard developments for several years then returning to GK, and checking out all the ICs and GBs.
The majority of the high end, small-run, enthusiast boards (or rather, cases) are interchangeable, unadventurous jewellery boxes.
They're mostly bog-standard layouts 60%, 56%, TKL. Narrow bezels, angular casework, a polished brass weight underneath. The emphasis on expensive CNC milling or a fancy dead weight just means that the end product can't have proper cable routing under the board, so you have an exposed USB socket sitting on the back of the case with no strain relief.
There's definitely some interesting stuff coming out- I like some of the left hander designs, and I can appreciate the real creativity behind some of the unusually ornate or retro designs, but most of the stuff out there seems to be differentiated purely by minor variations in case colours or logo.
Not sure whether this is an unpopular opinion, or perhaps more contentious. I've been thinking about this one a while, as a result of not paying attention to keyboard developments for several years then returning to GK, and checking out all the ICs and GBs.
The majority of the high end, small-run, enthusiast boards (or rather, cases) are interchangeable, unadventurous jewellery boxes.
They're mostly bog-standard layouts 60%, 56%, TKL. Narrow bezels, angular casework, a polished brass weight underneath. The emphasis on expensive CNC milling or a fancy dead weight just means that the end product can't have proper cable routing under the board, so you have an exposed USB socket sitting on the back of the case with no strain relief.
There's definitely some interesting stuff coming out- I like some of the left hander designs, and I can appreciate the real creativity behind some of the unusually ornate or retro designs, but most of the stuff out there seems to be differentiated purely by minor variations in case colours or logo.
What kind of proper cable routing are you referring to?
Many do come with their own pcbs so I don't think it's fair to say they are just cases.
I wish more of them will support alps.
My daily driver would be Leopold 980 with PBT caps. Not sure it exists in Nordic layout? Have seen it with ABS, but never in stock.
Something like this, which seems pretty standard on any semi-decent mass produced board. Loads of strain relief (so it really doesn't matter if the cable is fixed, or uses any variation of USB connection), and you get the cable exiting the board in a way fits your desktop arrangement.Show Image(https://codeandlife.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/03/topre_bottom.jpg)
Looking at the photo just reminds me of another thing that these jewellery box cases are lacking- fold out feet for angle adjustment.
The majority of the high end, small-run, enthusiast boards (or rather, cases) are interchangeable, unadventurous jewellery boxes.
I'd put it this way: the majority of the high end custom boards are just ugly.
I guess the bottomline is that it doesn't make sense to compare boutique with mass-produced products. Many of those GBs are like the fashion industry, which serves a role in the whole clothing industry.
I was thinking along these lines too, but it's not like the haute couture end of fashion, where designers might take inspiration from each other but have to come up with something original to be attention-grabbing. It's more like... fancy collectable sneakers.
it's just about selling some idea of perceived status.
Not sure whether this is an unpopular opinion, or perhaps more contentious. I've been thinking about this one a while, as a result of not paying attention to keyboard developments for several years then returning to GK, and checking out all the ICs and GBs.
The majority of the high end, small-run, enthusiast boards (or rather, cases) are interchangeable, unadventurous jewellery boxes.
They're mostly bog-standard layouts 60%, 56%, TKL. Narrow bezels, angular casework, a polished brass weight underneath. The emphasis on expensive CNC milling or a fancy dead weight just means that the end product can't have proper cable routing under the board, so you have an exposed USB socket sitting on the back of the case with no strain relief.
There's definitely some interesting stuff coming out- I like some of the left hander designs, and I can appreciate the real creativity behind some of the unusually ornate or retro designs, but most of the stuff out there seems to be differentiated purely by minor variations in case colours or logo.
it's just about selling some idea of perceived status.
What, that very thing that we in the unpopular keyboard opinion thread think is going on with these custom 60%s?
HERE'S ONE.
I prefer the XT layout.
Hard to believe, I know, but after using a Model F AT for a few days and going back to the XT, I've noticed that my fingers just go right where they're supposed to, and it all fits and makes sense. The backspace is better, and the pipe key is where it should be; bottom left.
And another thing, the XT is much better built, and even though the sound is not great and I prefer the deeper sound of the Model M, the AT just doesn't do it. That's got little to do with the layout, but there you go.
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HERE'S ONE.
I prefer the XT layout.
Hard to believe, I know, but after using a Model F AT for a few days and going back to the XT, I've noticed that my fingers just go right where they're supposed to, and it all fits and makes sense. The backspace is better, and the pipe key is where it should be; bottom left.
And another thing, the XT is much better built, and even though the sound is not great and I prefer the deeper sound of the Model M, the AT just doesn't do it. That's got little to do with the layout, but there you go.
Filco and Das are stupidly overpriced.
Filco and Das are stupidly overpriced.
You're not wrong... well anyway here's mine:
- I like OEM profile, easily in my top 3, and I wish it got more compat love
- I like Filcos, even though they're kitschy, overpriced, and needlessly without basic modern features
- I'd like to see someone make a truly premium shine-through keycap set
Honorable mention: I wish GMK Lux was gold like the metal, not like the pollen... or aged butter... or synthetic cheese...
Ones I've seen in here that I totally agree with:
- Like a bad Tinder match, SA might be less appealing in person - and things only get more awkward once you touch them.
- I want to like Signature Plastics because TEAM 'MURICA (and they genuinely have good customer service) but... yeah. Iffy colors, iffy textures, toy-like aesthetic, and borderline unacceptable packaging considering the price.
I don't like rust patinas on plates on expensive custom keebs.
At the moment I have a -12 on my reddit colment for mentioning this
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I have only seen it on customized by owners keebs. It is a strange process involving acids among other things that creates rust on a metal. I have a friend of my university that made beautiful sculptures using this process, see used unvaluable pieces of metal and turned it on something unique.I don't like rust patinas on plates on expensive custom keebs.
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Rust patinas are a thing on brand new plates? What on earth? LMAO. Do they actually rust them, or is it just some sort of finish to simulate it? If it is real rust, that sounds stupid as hell to me.
Well, you've got one more vote in your favor, regardless of the actual finish. I can't see how that would be appealing.
I have only seen it on customized by owners keebs. It is a strange process involving acids among other things that creates rust on a metal. I have a friend of my university that made beautiful sculptures using this process, see used unvaluable pieces of metal and turned it on something unique.I don't like rust patinas on plates on expensive custom keebs.
At the moment I have a -12 on my reddit colment for mentioning this
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Rust patinas are a thing on brand new plates? What on earth? LMAO. Do they actually rust them, or is it just some sort of finish to simulate it? If it is real rust, that sounds stupid as hell to me.
Well, you've got one more vote in your favor, regardless of the actual finish. I can't see how that would be appealing.
But for me is something that's wrong on an expensive object that you touch every day. Maybe if you are creating a steampunk or similar themed keeb it has a purpose but not on a custom keeb from a groupbuy.
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I think keycap renders featuring unicorn keyboards are useless. Be it cases that are unreleased, ridiculously rare, or with nonexistent case colors that conveniently perfectly match that particular keyset. It doesn’t help me decide wether that keyset is gonna look good on my keyboard.
Does it really matter though? Unless it's something extra-odd looking like an Alice-style keyboard, most cases look pretty similar and it seems to me that it's mainly a matter of matching the colour of the case to the key cap colourway.
Is it just me or do metal cases rob Alps switches of the sexy thock thock thock sound and make them all sound like clik clik clik?
Is it just me or do metal cases rob Alps switches of the sexy thock thock thock sound and make them all sound like clik clik clik?
Are Alps switches supposed to thock? I've only owned one, a Northgate from presumably the 80s and it was click click click. Way better than something like MX Blue, but definitely metallic clicky.
Thock is what I associate with Topre.
I'm probably wrong on this but dedicated arrow keys on a >=60% make no sense to me...
I'm sure many people are doing a lot without dedicated arrow keys. I code and published a book this year.I'm probably wrong on this but dedicated arrow keys on a >=60% make no sense to me...
Not having dedicated arrow keys on any keyboard of any size and meant to be functional at all for something other than typing, without much modification to something previously typed, makes no sense to me.
I'm sure many people are doing a lot without dedicated arrow keys. I code and published a book this year.I'm probably wrong on this but dedicated arrow keys on a >=60% make no sense to me...
Not having dedicated arrow keys on any keyboard of any size and meant to be functional at all for something other than typing, without much modification to something previously typed, makes no sense to me.
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With proprietary layers/mapping for the lost hotkeys on a single board (or multiples with the exact same programming) and that's all you use, then yes. I would hate to have to live like that. There are way too many random, weird, old, or all of the above keyboards I would rather be able to just touch type on with as little change in muscle memory as possible, that and I couldn't use just one keyboard forever if I had wanted to.
With proprietary layers/mapping for the lost hotkeys on a single board (or multiples with the exact same programming) and that's all you use, then yes. I would hate to have to live like that. There are way too many random, weird, old, or all of the above keyboards I would rather be able to just touch type on with as little change in muscle memory as possible, that and I couldn't use just one keyboard forever if I had wanted to.
That's why I specified 60%, almost all of which come with the ability to remap the layout. To be clear, I think arrow keys are extremely important. So important that I don't want them to be far away from the home rows or the prime real estate area. Imagine the alphas as the central park in Manhattan, I often map the arrows to be very near it instead of in the usual area even when I'm working with a full or TKL.
Yeah, I figured that was the case. I don't mess with mapping unless that mapping follows the keyboard through its own internal controller, or a converter that I pair with it, and usually only for something that most keyboards don't have a standard location for anyway, or nothing dedicated at all, like volume control, etc.
I would hate to have to set up a custom mapping on every single computer I happen to use, which is very many.
Okay, I'll try it. Let's see what happens. As a bonus, the F XT already has that in the right spot, so we'll see how it goes.Please report back! Chromebook actually allows native remapping of the control key to where caps lock usually is.
Genuinely so far so good, actually. My only issue so far has been the old Ctrl+Shift+Esc. Other stuff like Ctrl+W and Ctrl+T and so on have been swell. Maybe what I'll do then is remap the bottom left key to Win...hmm.Seriously having two controls is still better than having caps lock there. Caps lock belongs to Siberia or basement, not home row.
Dear god I might turn into one of you nutcases with a goofy ass layout that nobody else can use.
Arrow keys aside, I highly recommend moving control to caps lock. Give it a week or two, I haven't seen anyone going back to caps lock...
You don't use Ctrl? Yeah in which case definitely don't bother with it. We all have our comfort zones and we should only explore what we are genuinely curious about.Arrow keys aside, I highly recommend moving control to caps lock. Give it a week or two, I haven't seen anyone going back to caps lock...
Now you have see someone going back to caps lock, only because I haven't bothered to put anything useful there, because I don't particularly like using that key at all. I have used many vintage keyboards with ctrl in the location that caps lock usually is on modern boards, for months at a time in aggregate. I still do not like it, at all.
You don't use Ctrl? Yeah in which case definitely don't bother with it. We all have our comfort zones and we should only explore what we are genuinely curious about.Arrow keys aside, I highly recommend moving control to caps lock. Give it a week or two, I haven't seen anyone going back to caps lock...
Now you have see someone going back to caps lock, only because I haven't bothered to put anything useful there, because I don't particularly like using that key at all. I have used many vintage keyboards with ctrl in the location that caps lock usually is on modern boards, for months at a time in aggregate. I still do not like it, at all.
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You don't use Ctrl? Yeah in which case definitely don't bother with it. We all have our comfort zones and we should only explore what we are genuinely curious about.Arrow keys aside, I highly recommend moving control to caps lock. Give it a week or two, I haven't seen anyone going back to caps lock...
Now you have see someone going back to caps lock, only because I haven't bothered to put anything useful there, because I don't particularly like using that key at all. I have used many vintage keyboards with ctrl in the location that caps lock usually is on modern boards, for months at a time in aggregate. I still do not like it, at all.
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No, ctrl I use constantly. I just don't like it being where caps lock normally is. My fingers are pretty long, and I used ctrl thousands of times a day for a year straight doing data entry. My muscle memory, and repetition, made it so that its normal location is instinct and somehow quite comfortable, to the point that I don't quite understand the preference towards the inverse.
Arrow keys aside, I highly recommend moving control to caps lock. Give it a week or two, I haven't seen anyone going back to caps lock...
You don't use Ctrl? Yeah in which case definitely don't bother with it. We all have our comfort zones and we should only explore what we are genuinely curious about.Arrow keys aside, I highly recommend moving control to caps lock. Give it a week or two, I haven't seen anyone going back to caps lock...
Now you have see someone going back to caps lock, only because I haven't bothered to put anything useful there, because I don't particularly like using that key at all. I have used many vintage keyboards with ctrl in the location that caps lock usually is on modern boards, for months at a time in aggregate. I still do not like it, at all.
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No, ctrl I use constantly. I just don't like it being where caps lock normally is. My fingers are pretty long, and I used ctrl thousands of times a day for a year straight doing data entry. My muscle memory, and repetition, made it so that its normal location is instinct and somehow quite comfortable, to the point that I don't quite understand the preference towards the inverse.
Yeah like what I said, do what's best for you. I'm just encouraging people to give it a try if they haven't.
Arrow keys aside, I highly recommend moving control to caps lock. Give it a week or two, I haven't seen anyone going back to caps lock...
I did, didn't care for it. I could 100% get used to it, but it wasn't worth the hassle. This is probably due to me being primarily a mac user, and even on linux I map ctrl to cmd on apple keyboards, so things mostly work as they do on OS X, so my bottom row is ctrl, alt, ctrl, space, ctrl, alt fn, ctrl. Kinda wacky and effectively WKL but it works really well for me, far better than capslock to ctrl.
Hot take and likely unpopular opinion: cmd is the best modifier key, it's infinitely more comfortable than ctrl. It's also amazingly good for behaving the same way as usual when using a terminal, no need to use shift to copy and past, cmd-c and cmd-v work normally, ctrl-c works normally, bliss.
To preface... I don't think there's one best to type. In my case, if I keep my left index finger on or near F, reaching the bottom-left corner with my pinky meaning that I have to turn my left palm outward, straining my left wrist. This is why I prefer to have control to be higher in the home row and why I don't normally use left shift.
To preface... I don't think there's one best to type. In my case, if I keep my left index finger on or near F, reaching the bottom-left corner with my pinky meaning that I have to turn my left palm outward, straining my left wrist. This is why I prefer to have control to be higher in the home row and why I don't normally use left shift.
I figured it may have something to do with this. My pinkies are so long that I do not need to do anything at all with my palm in order to reach ctrl. Ironically, I don't use left shift at all though outside of gaming, which may contribute to my dislike for using the key where caps lock is traditionally mapped as well.
To preface... I don't think there's one best to type. In my case, if I keep my left index finger on or near F, reaching the bottom-left corner with my pinky meaning that I have to turn my left palm outward, straining my left wrist. This is why I prefer to have control to be higher in the home row and why I don't normally use left shift.
I figured it may have something to do with this. My pinkies are so long that I do not need to do anything at all with my palm in order to reach ctrl. Ironically, I don't use left shift at all though outside of gaming, which may contribute to my dislike for using the key where caps lock is traditionally mapped as well.
I don't know if it's about the length of your pinkies. Do you just curl them all the way back to the palm?
I'm typing from a Matias Mini Tactile Pro, which I have modified the controller on to function like a standard PC controller (Since Matias doesn't make keyboards with good switches with the PC mapping anymore). I am the exact opposite. The proprietary Mac hotkey differences irritate me. I imagine most of that is muscle memory, but I do find using the traditional alt (command with Apple keyboards) at all while on the home row somewhat awkward myself. Almost all I use the alt key for is ctrl+alt+delete, which really isn't done from the home row anyway.
Ergonomically, what is it that you like about it? Do you curl your thumb to press it?
I'm typing from a Matias Mini Tactile Pro, which I have modified the controller on to function like a standard PC controller (Since Matias doesn't make keyboards with good switches with the PC mapping anymore). I am the exact opposite. The proprietary Mac hotkey differences irritate me. I imagine most of that is muscle memory, but I do find using the traditional alt (command with Apple keyboards) at all while on the home row somewhat awkward myself. Almost all I use the alt key for is ctrl+alt+delete, which really isn't done from the home row anyway.
Ergonomically, what is it that you like about it? Do you curl your thumb to press it?
to hit control with my thumb I need to contort to the point of being a bit uncomfortable, for cmd I just pivot my thumb a bit, no curling required.
Very interest!I would love to see a picture if you're will to share... :))
My fingers are so long in general that my palms do not get very close at all to the first row of keys when resting comfortably on the home row. I press the ctrl key with the pad of my pinky, no flexible gymnastics required.
Very interest!I would love to see a picture if you're will to share... :))
My fingers are so long in general that my palms do not get very close at all to the first row of keys when resting comfortably on the home row. I press the ctrl key with the pad of my pinky, no flexible gymnastics required.
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I'm not quite that tall, and certainly don't dress half as well.
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There's the picture you requested. I do sometimes adjust the resting position of my palms based on the keys being pressed, but I stay on the home row unless I'm doing a weird hotkey like ctrl+alt+delete or am going for the arrow keys, of course.
Yeah, I tried to dye those ABS caps with iDye Poly. Most of the modifiers were supposed to be "crimson" and the alphanumerics, etc, were supposed to be black. They're more of a magenta and dark purple now, sort of like when a blue pen explodes ... and the blue pen ink is already wearing off.
I'm not quite that tall, and certainly don't dress half as well.
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There's the picture you requested. I do sometimes adjust the resting position of my palms based on the keys being pressed, but I stay on the home row unless I'm doing a weird hotkey like ctrl+alt+delete or am going for the arrow keys, of course.
Yeah, I tried to dye those ABS caps with iDye Poly. Most of the modifiers were supposed to be "crimson" and the alphanumerics, etc, were supposed to be black. They're more of a magenta and dark purple now, sort of like when a blue pen explodes ... and the blue pen ink is already wearing off.
Are you double jointed in the pinky? I am completely unable to bend my finger that way. To reach the Control key with my other fingers on the home row, my wrist will kink in sharply towards the centre of the keyboard, which is why I've had to do the Control/CapsLock key swap.
I once took a Razer BlackwidowX TE (Their floating key, tenkeyless ANSI board) and desoldered, then resoldered, all 522 solder joints so I could put Gateron Blacks in it while retaining the in-switch RGB LEDs. Then I threw some blank DSA caps on it. I was inexperienced then, and didn't have a nice solder-sucker. It took me AGES, at least a couple weekends' worth of work when I found the time to work on it.
And it was absolutely worth it. I gamed on that board for over a year.
I have more refined tastes now, but I don't regret "making" that board, and I still have it. The caps are pretty s*** though, I will probably throw a taihao set on there today just to make it look a small bit more presentable on the shelf.
Is that meant to be an unpopular opinion? I find modifying random old keyboards to be what I want them to be really fun and satisfying. I know the struggle with cheap solder suckers. Mine was out of an old Radioshack soldering kit, so I imagine it was bottom-of-the-barrel even for the manual ones. I swear that thing would jam up every 2-3 switches.
I don't think that assembling kit boards from parts will be nearly as interesting, but I may be surprised.
Is that meant to be an unpopular opinion? I find modifying random old keyboards to be what I want them to be really fun and satisfying. I know the struggle with cheap solder suckers. Mine was out of an old Radioshack soldering kit, so I imagine it was bottom-of-the-barrel even for the manual ones. I swear that thing would jam up every 2-3 switches.
I don't think that assembling kit boards from parts will be nearly as interesting, but I may be surprised.
To a lot of the people I've talked to, Razer is unredeemable trash and nothing can or will ever make any of their boards any good.
At least, that is pre-"Razer Optical" switches, since apparently those are pretty well made.
Is that meant to be an unpopular opinion? I find modifying random old keyboards to be what I want them to be really fun and satisfying. I know the struggle with cheap solder suckers. Mine was out of an old Radioshack soldering kit, so I imagine it was bottom-of-the-barrel even for the manual ones. I swear that thing would jam up every 2-3 switches.
I don't think that assembling kit boards from parts will be nearly as interesting, but I may be surprised.
To a lot of the people I've talked to, Razer is unredeemable trash and nothing can or will ever make any of their boards any good.
At least, that is pre-"Razer Optical" switches, since apparently those are pretty well made.
Well, I'm not sure about the 'irredeemable' part, as you clearly redeemed it by gutting it by replacing the switches, then you went and replaced the caps. The two most important parts of a keyboard.
The remainder was a case (a plastic box) and a PCB (a slab of compressed composite).
Is that meant to be an unpopular opinion? I find modifying random old keyboards to be what I want them to be really fun and satisfying. I know the struggle with cheap solder suckers. Mine was out of an old Radioshack soldering kit, so I imagine it was bottom-of-the-barrel even for the manual ones. I swear that thing would jam up every 2-3 switches.
I don't think that assembling kit boards from parts will be nearly as interesting, but I may be surprised.
To a lot of the people I've talked to, Razer is unredeemable trash and nothing can or will ever make any of their boards any good.
At least, that is pre-"Razer Optical" switches, since apparently those are pretty well made.
Well, I'm not sure about the 'irredeemable' part, as you clearly redeemed it by gutting it by replacing the switches, then you went and replaced the caps. The two most important parts of a keyboard.
The remainder was a case (a plastic box) and a PCB (a slab of compressed composite).
Weren't at least some of their old switches also at least made by Kaihua? In that case, I can't imagine they could be any worse than Cherry MX. All of the Greetech switches I have tried have certainly been pretty horrible.
Is that meant to be an unpopular opinion? I find modifying random old keyboards to be what I want them to be really fun and satisfying. I know the struggle with cheap solder suckers. Mine was out of an old Radioshack soldering kit, so I imagine it was bottom-of-the-barrel even for the manual ones. I swear that thing would jam up every 2-3 switches.
I don't think that assembling kit boards from parts will be nearly as interesting, but I may be surprised.
To a lot of the people I've talked to, Razer is unredeemable trash and nothing can or will ever make any of their boards any good.
At least, that is pre-"Razer Optical" switches, since apparently those are pretty well made.
Well, I'm not sure about the 'irredeemable' part, as you clearly redeemed it by gutting it by replacing the switches, then you went and replaced the caps. The two most important parts of a keyboard.
The remainder was a case (a plastic box) and a PCB (a slab of compressed composite).
Weren't at least some of their old switches also at least made by Kaihua? In that case, I can't imagine they could be any worse than Cherry MX. All of the Greetech switches I have tried have certainly been pretty horrible.
Yeah the greetechs were pretty horrid. A lot of people also hate the shoddy case quality and the edgy "gamer" design. I know over the years those two things have become kind of annoying to me.
For most it's the little things....rattling stabs, the sound, fixed cable, etc. Their "floating key" boards are extremely loud, even on linears, and trying to fix the stabs is an adventure by itself.
Weren't at least some of their old switches also at least made by Kaihua? In that case, I can't imagine they could be any worse than Cherry MX. All of the Greetech switches I have tried have certainly been pretty horrible.
Weren't at least some of their old switches also at least made by Kaihua? In that case, I can't imagine they could be any worse than Cherry MX. All of the Greetech switches I have tried have certainly been pretty horrible.
I tried a store demo board back when Razer was using switches from Kailh, it was a lot worse than Cherry. Somehow they'd managed to populate the board with very inconsistent switches, some of them were more or less audible, some required slightly different forces to actuate, it was a total mess.
I actually just noticed that my switch tester has two Razer green switches produced by Kailh. They both feel a bit different from each other, to be sure ... and so do the Cherry MX blues on the same tester. They seem to be to be roughly the same in unpleasant plastic rattle, etc. My sample size is small though. I already hated Razer by the time I had even heard they were making mechanicals, so I never did bother trying one of their boards.
I actually just noticed that my switch tester has two Razer green switches produced by Kailh. They both feel a bit different from each other, to be sure ... and so do the Cherry MX blues on the same tester. They seem to be to be roughly the same in unpleasant plastic rattle, etc. My sample size is small though. I already hated Razer by the time I had even heard they were making mechanicals, so I never did bother trying one of their boards.
I wonder if this is an inherent weakness of the MX design which relies on a metal leaf within the housing. It's generally not an issue I've noticed on MX boards though, it was only really on that Razer where it was so bad I was wondering if it was broken and that the QC process wasn't very good.
DCS better than Cherry
Switches without dampers are not usable
DCS better than Cherry
Switches without dampers are not usable
What is it that you mean by DCS? Cherry sucks, so whatever it is, you're probably right.
Are you always in an environment where you can't just enjoy a clicky keyboard? They must always be quiet? That sounds, to me, like a life not worth living.
https://i.imgur.com/kFxqOm8.jpg DCS is a cherry-ish profile usually manufactured by Signature Plastics nowadays. If you've seen Wyse terminal boards that looked like cherry profile, they were probably DCS. It's pretty similar honestly, it just has a more pronounced sculpt.DCS better than Cherry
Switches without dampers are not usable
What is it that you mean by DCS? Cherry sucks, so whatever it is, you're probably right.
Are you always in an environment where you can't just enjoy a clicky keyboard? They must always be quiet? That sounds, to me, like a life not worth living.
https://i.imgur.com/kFxqOm8.jpg DCS is a cherry-ish profile usually manufactured by Signature Plastics nowadays. If you've seen Wyse terminal boards that looked like cherry profile, they were probably DCS. It's pretty similar honestly, it just has a more pronounced sculpt.DCS better than Cherry
Switches without dampers are not usable
What is it that you mean by DCS? Cherry sucks, so whatever it is, you're probably right.
Are you always in an environment where you can't just enjoy a clicky keyboard? They must always be quiet? That sounds, to me, like a life not worth living.
https://i.imgur.com/kFxqOm8.jpg (https://i.imgur.com/kFxqOm8.jpg) DCS is a cherry-ish profile usually manufactured by Signature Plastics nowadays. If you've seen Wyse terminal boards that looked like cherry profile, they were probably DCS. It's pretty similar honestly, it just has a more pronounced sculpt.DCS better than Cherry
Switches without dampers are not usable
What is it that you mean by DCS? Cherry sucks, so whatever it is, you're probably right.
Are you always in an environment where you can't just enjoy a clicky keyboard? They must always be quiet? That sounds, to me, like a life not worth living.
Yes, the more pronounced sculp is the thing. Cherry too flat.
Also NMB Hi-Tek keycaps, HHKB, and old BTC boards have similar type.
DCS's like poor man's Cherry.
DCS's like poor man's Cherry.
If only, it's usually as expensive if not more so!
It's certainly thinner, but I like the profile. The spacebar seems a bit sharp at first, but it's actually really nice to type on once you're used to it. I've never used a GMK set but I really like DCS yuri on my blue alps TKL, it's rapidly becoming my favourite board.
DCS's like poor man's Cherry.
If only, it's usually as expensive if not more so!
It's certainly thinner, but I like the profile. The spacebar seems a bit sharp at first, but it's actually really nice to type on once you're used to it. I've never used a GMK set but I really like DCS yuri on my blue alps TKL, it's rapidly becoming my favourite board.
I've never used a GMK too, but I have OG doubleshots and OG Russian Cyrillic DyeSubs, and I more love DCS (old))
I agree that cherry looks stylish, OG & GMK have more quality and expensive looks, in the meantime DCS looks cheaper and hard to distinguish from OEM.
But deeper cylinders make them pretty comfortable, especially in games.
And in theory, no one bothers to do cherry mount caps with quality of Space Invaders Dye Subs.
I hate myself for keep buying key caps while I have enough stock for my grandgrandsons' boards.
The Sun UNIX layout, (the core of HHKB) is the superior layout. Why would you want a 2x wide backspace key...and why reach soooooo far to press ESC.I can agree. The second part might be a little heavy handed but I have found myself using split BS and ctrl-caps swap on most of my boards now
Course, if you're not a unix user you suck anyway so your opinion based on windows or mac computer use is pointless.
60% keyboards can't be for serious use, most KVM switches use the scroll-lock to change inputs, if you don't have more than one computer on your desk you suck anyway.This, I definitely can't agree with. 60% boards can press scrl lock still. Hell, even my 40% can press scrl lock. KVMs aren't that popular, they're VERY niche, which is part of the reason they are so expensive.
Course, if you're not a unix user you suck anyway so your opinion based on windows or mac computer use is pointless.I can agree. The second part might be a little heavy handed but I have found myself using split BS and ctrl-caps swap on most of my boards now
Yeah, on my QMK boards (or boards where I can otherwise do full remapping), I do the Sun Unix ~-\ with BS underneath, and I typically put ctrl in BOTH spots, since I have had 0 use for caps lock any time in the last 10 years, so it goes on a layer.Course, if you're not a unix user you suck anyway so your opinion based on windows or mac computer use is pointless.I can agree. The second part might be a little heavy handed but I have found myself using split BS and ctrl-caps swap on most of my boards now
What cracks me up are people talking as if the cntrl-caps swap is the primary distinction between the 2 layouts. For me, having typed on this layout for (geeze) pushing 30 years, the cntrl-caps thing is uninteresting, easy adaptation. The change in location for the `~ and thus \| and backspace keys is what it's all about. As a UNIX command-line user that's gold!
might have been heavy handed, but I was almost this guy when this was drawn...
http://folk.uio.no/hpv/linuxtoons/dilbert-unix.png
I miss when Scott was funny...
Yeah, on my QMK boards (or boards where I can otherwise do full remapping), I do the Sun Unix ~-\ with BS underneath, and I typically put ctrl in BOTH spots, since I have had 0 use for caps lock any time in the last 10 years, so it goes on a layer.
- Keyboardism is now more about appearance (RGB, deskmat, twisted cables, RAMA) than intrinsic properties (longevity, feels, sounds). I'm just surprised about how the shape/design of the a keyboard makes them instabuyable even though we don't know much about everything else.
might have been heavy handed, but I was almost this guy when this was drawn...
http://folk.uio.no/hpv/linuxtoons/dilbert-unix.png
I miss when Scott was funny...
Yeah, on my QMK boards (or boards where I can otherwise do full remapping), I do the Sun Unix ~-\ with BS underneath, and I typically put ctrl in BOTH spots, since I have had 0 use for caps lock any time in the last 10 years, so it goes on a layer.
The only use I have for caps lock is to turn it on on someone else's computer when they're not looking. And turn off their num lock.
My unpopular opinions:
- Way more keyboards designers should reuse existing plate/pcb layout/shape/size, preferably compatible with popular companies. When I buy a keyboard I don't want to buy extra plates "just in case" I would like to have the option to easily find the extra parts 5 years or 50 years later. But right now most of the new keyboards are incompatible with previous parts...
- Keyboardism is now more about appearance (RGB, deskmat, twisted cables, RAMA) than intrinsic properties (longevity, feels, sounds). I'm just surprised about how the shape/design of the a keyboard makes them instabuyable even though we don't know much about everything else.
- Keyboardism is now more about appearance (RGB, deskmat, twisted cables, RAMA) than intrinsic properties (longevity, feels, sounds). I'm just surprised about how the shape/design of the a keyboard makes them instabuyable even though we don't know much about everything else.
I noticed this a few years ago when life took me away from the hobby, it was becoming less and less about the tool and more and more about a fashion accessory. I'm OK with that, I grew up with beige PC's...but the "fanboi entitled" attitudes are not cool
I never liked beige electronics
What cracks me up are people talking as if the cntrl-caps swap is the primary distinction between the 2 layouts. For me, having typed on this layout for (geeze) pushing 30 years, the cntrl-caps thing is uninteresting, easy adaptation. The change in location for the `~ and thus \| and backspace keys is what it's all about. As a UNIX command-line user that's gold!
Why is that move desirable though? Having `~ and \| near the shift keys is preferable for me. I hate reaching up to R1 when using ANSI boards.
Why is that move desirable though? Having `~ and \| near the shift keys is preferable for me. I hate reaching up to R1 when using ANSI boards.
you must be ISO, you're still wasting space with that monster Enter key. Man that thing is huge. Does it actuate slower since it's so massive? Has it ever rebounded into your finger and jammed it with the additional mass of plastic it must be :- )
I will gain the extra key (or 2) in the shift-key-space when my new PCB comes in, but it'll still be a unix layout (1x+1x bckspc), I'll just take advantage of the options for additional 1x's in the other locations...
nicely dodged answering my question there :p
ISO indeed. ISO enter isn’t about efficiency, it’s about satisfaction. I can adapt to ansi fine, but ansi enter will just never be as satisfying.
...you must be ISO, you're still wasting space with that monster Enter key. ....
Has [ISO Enter] ever rebounded into your finger and jammed it with the additional mass of plastic it must be :- )Ditto about Left Shift. :-þ
i guess my unpopular opinion is my love for Atlantis iso (a cross of a US layout with iso enter and the shorter shift key) it seems to be very disliked by most peoples who use iso though.
i've seen it referred a few times in IC as Atlantis iso when it is not quite enough for UK iso, my M122 from unicomp is like that but then it is unicomp, they make any layout under the sun and then some more, i never used a mac so i am very unfamiliar with their layout. mine does have `~ next to the one and a black key next to shift (\| on windows <> on debian)
i guess my unpopular opinion is my love for Atlantis iso (a cross of a US layout with iso enter and the shorter shift key) it seems to be very disliked by most peoples who use iso though.
I've never heard of this term, nor can I find anything in google about it. Sounds like UK Macintosh layout. It's ANSI with an ISO return \| iin the nook of the return, `~ next to left shift and §± next to 1!
It's a great layout, I wish it were more popular, R4 `~ is never included in group buys :(
- The use of Discord as information feed is obscuring all the info for posterity. Nobody will be able to find all the useful information provided from any search engine. So it's basically dead information after a month or so. Where it can live forever on a forum.
- IC and GB runners are pretty bad to write information on there first page. One question can be asked 10 times in a thread and no FAQ will be written in the first page (which does not really mater most of the case because people don't read them fully before asking questions...).
the geekhack search is garbage in my experience.
- The use of Discord as information feed is obscuring all the info for posterity. Nobody will be able to find all the useful information provided from any search engine. So it's basically dead information after a month or so. Where it can live forever on a forum.
- IC and GB runners are pretty bad to write information on there first page. One question can be asked 10 times in a thread and no FAQ will be written in the first page (which does not really mater most of the case because people don't read them fully before asking questions...).
I've found Discord search functionality is actually pretty robust, though it isn't global across multiple servers. Also perhaps I'm an idiot but the geekhack search is garbage in my experience.
- The use of Discord as information feed is obscuring all the info for posterity. Nobody will be able to find all the useful information provided from any search engine. So it's basically dead information after a month or so. Where it can live forever on a forum.
- IC and GB runners are pretty bad to write information on there first page. One question can be asked 10 times in a thread and no FAQ will be written in the first page (which does not really mater most of the case because people don't read them fully before asking questions...).
I've found Discord search functionality is actually pretty robust, though it isn't global across multiple servers. Also perhaps I'm an idiot but the geekhack search is garbage in my experience.
Geekhack seems to be a relic of the past anyway, only exist because there is no proper alternative yet and above all because the community is already massive.
Geekhack seems to be a relic of the past anyway, only exist because there is no proper alternative yet and above all because the community is already massive.
Now there's a real unpopular opinion. I have a feeling that few will agree with that one. It is like a breath of fresh air to me to have a real forum around that's so active. More modern alternatives are usually very poorly organized, information flows in and out like water, never to be seen again (Reddit), waste endless resources on hideous/useless cosmetic flourishes and infuriating menu systems, or a combination of the above. For what they're meant to do, there's nothing better than an oldschool forum.
Do a lot of people even use the Discord? I never have. I can't think of many reasons why I would, though I use it every day to talk to friends. Discord is basically a glorified instant messenger. Its purpose is entirely different from a forum.
Geekhack seems to be a relic of the past anyway, only exist because there is no proper alternative yet and above all because the community is already massive.
Now there's a real unpopular opinion. I have a feeling that few will agree with that one. It is like a breath of fresh air to me to have a real forum around that's so active. More modern alternatives are usually very poorly organized, information flows in and out like water, never to be seen again (Reddit), waste endless resources on hideous/useless cosmetic flourishes and infuriating menu systems, or a combination of the above. For what they're meant to do, there's nothing better than an oldschool forum.
Do a lot of people even use the Discord? I never have. I can't think of many reasons why I would, though I use it every day to talk to friends. Discord is basically a glorified instant messenger. Its purpose is entirely different from a forum.
[...] Its purpose is entirely different from a forum.
I do believe it's because the hobby is still new
Geekhack seems to be a relic of the past anyway, only exist because there is no proper alternative yet and above all because the community is already massive.
Now there's a real unpopular opinion. I have a feeling that few will agree with that one. It is like a breath of fresh air to me to have a real forum around that's so active. More modern alternatives are usually very poorly organized, information flows in and out like water, never to be seen again (Reddit), waste endless resources on hideous/useless cosmetic flourishes and infuriating menu systems, or a combination of the above. For what they're meant to do, there's nothing better than an oldschool forum.
Do a lot of people even use the Discord? I never have. I can't think of many reasons why I would, though I use it every day to talk to friends. Discord is basically a glorified instant messenger. Its purpose is entirely different from a forum.
GeekHack is to me the best place to look for something, while I kind of agree with you on the organisation and the newer alternatives, not seeing the weakness is definitely being blind (as not seeing its strength).
As a newcomer here is the points I would work if I was handling the forum:
- Enable users to put a status on a thread, so we know for sure if a Interest Check is still ongoing or dead, or moved into a GB, we would also know if a GB is still active of ended, we could reopen a GB and mark it as a second round etc. Any user should also be able to "request a change" so the moderators can change it accordingly.
Currently all we have is a title change, that is never really changed often, a dead GB has the same place as a running GB and a fulfilled GB. This is truly exhausting while navigating.
Thread Closure: We understand that group buy threads are useful for much longer than classifieds threads. However, we would like to ensure that very old group buy threads for buys that have been completed for a significant amount of time are not bumped and occupying space that could be used by active interest checks or buys in the ordering stage. To this end, we would like group buy organizers to close their threads after items have been received and sufficient time has passed. When everyone has received their items, are happy with them, and there's no more business to be done on the buy, please close your thread. We will not be exceedingly strict about this rule, but may close threads that that are bumped out of the group buy graveyard of the last forum pages.
- A better search engine, this a total waste, the point of a database is to be able to do queries, every single message are stored into a database.
- We don't know right away if we already click in a thread or not, I'm more interested in new threads than already visited ones. Even if it was the opposite I should be able to discriminate those two.
- Since the forum is old, we should have enforced some requirement when submitting a GB, every single time the same question appears "is it WK, WKL, ISO, ANSI only ?" Even if OP does not know yet, we should be able to get rid of all those pollution (the question itself is legitimate, but the fact that we see the question a dozen of time on one thread is not).
I know GeekHack is "just" a forum, but the point mentioned above are totally realistic.
Unrelated to GeekHack, and in my view, there is a lack of "unified database", there is no way to search for a specific keyboard, set of keycaps, having the release date, the specification etc. Where to buy ISO keyboards, ISO keycaps etc.
deskthority.net tried, but it's pretty much dead because it's in a form of a wiki, or because the community is dead.
[...] Its purpose is entirely different from a forum.
People are requesting a Discord link on every single topic. I don't like Discord for the reasons mentioned above but this is not true. People go to Discord to have update for GBs, it's the main form of updates for some people, even though this is not why Discord has been made.
Some functionality are different but some are similar. It's a place where you can discuss and exchange information.
I do believe it's because the hobby is still new
I am kind of scratching my head reading your comments. Perhaps I am atypical (no perhaps about it) but I really don't think of "buying stuff" as being the reason that the forum exists.
To me, this is a forum for "discussing stuff" and although there is certainly buying and selling going on around the periphery, that is not the primary purpose of the forum.
And, also, the hobby and the forum were well-established when I started almost a decade ago.
I hate to see a new 65% or 75% that has a crippled nav-column. There should be four keys: Page Up, Page Down, Home and End.
I hate to see a new 65% or 75% that has a crippled nav-column. There should be four keys: Page Up, Page Down, Home and End.
I hate to see a new 65% or 75% that has a crippled nav-column. There should be four keys: Page Up, Page Down, Home and End.
One of the reasons I like the HMKB 75 layout, and maybe should have bought one.Show Image(https://i.imgur.com/E04Ndns.png)
You can have 4 nav keys with that layout, or even 6 if you want to use the top keys. And there's spacing.
Pulled out my buckling spring board today, haven't used it for over a decade.
MX and clone style switches are such mediocre garbage in comparison to this switch technology that was phased out decades ago. It's just weird that the current pinnacle of mechanical keyboards are fancy cases holding junky switches.
Granted, these BS switches are crazy noisy, but they feel so definite and responsive. And the noise is so much more solid sounding than the high pitched MX clicks. Typing on these things is a simply wonderful experience.
I genuinely love the sound of Cherry Blues.
I genuinely love the sound of Cherry Blues.
Me too, perfect click and doesn't anger the god of spoons very much
You might like this layout:Show Image(https://i.imgur.com/4VcRRWb.jpg)
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I don't find any reason to buy a Keycult when Rama existKeycult gets more hype because it's limited run. I don't mind it though, I want to flex too.
I don't find any reason to buy a Keycult when Rama exist
I don't find any reason to buy a Keycult when Rama existbut is there any reason why not, i do see a reason for ibm to exist when water exist, but does not mean one need to disappear.
I don't find any reason to buy a Keycult when Rama existbut is there any reason why not, i do see a reason for ibm to exist when water exist, but does not mean one need to disappear.
I'm selling both boards
Yes but I have to fix the spacebar and find keycaps for the numpad ^_^I'm selling both boards
Is it an F AT? Because I’d want one. ;D
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Unpopular opinion as of today: Linear switches are worse than Rubber Domes in terms of keyfeel.
Heavy modern metal cases of anodized aluminium, extremely polished steel or brass etc. for keyboards are the equivalent of driving a gold plated Lamborghini on city streets - bordering on pointless vanity. Not only is metal as a case material completely unnecessary (I've never seen even a 10$ rubber dome with a plastic case significantly wear under normal use) it adds nothing particularly tangible to the durability of the keyboard itself since the case just hides the same, more or less cheap PCB's inside that every mech keeb has. At least an expensive sports car gets you a sports engine. Metal cases serve nothing more than for conspicuous consumption and to create artificial luxury tiers in the hobby.
(I've never seen even a 10$ rubber dome with a plastic case significantly wear under normal use)compare that to my 2 years old M where the case is significantly worn, it as lost most of the texture on the bottom and side bezels, to be fair i use it about 8 hours a day and i am a web dev so it sees a lot of use.
Heavy modern metal cases of anodized aluminium, extremely polished steel or brass etc. for keyboards are the equivalent of driving a gold plated Lamborghini on city streets - bordering on pointless vanity. Not only is metal as a case material completely unnecessary (I've never seen even a 10$ rubber dome with a plastic case significantly wear under normal use) it adds nothing particularly tangible to the durability of the keyboard itself since the case just hides the same, more or less cheap PCB's inside that every mech keeb has. At least an expensive sports car gets you a sports engine. Metal cases serve nothing more than for conspicuous consumption and to create artificial luxury tiers in the hobby.I like metal keebs and brass weights, but they're definitely more gaudy than, say, RGB or shine-through keycaps, and it's weird seeing keyboard guys get up in arms about that while paying $50-$100 for brass artisans or hundreds of dollars for polished metal case weights.
Old metal keyboards get a free pass on this because it was thought at the time that computers would last and not become obsolete so quickly. There was also a clear marriage between form and function, even if they were overbuilt - something modern keebs lack.
It doesn't mean I dislike metal cases or that all of them (or even most) are tacky.
It's not so clear-cut. I think one of the reasons metal frames are popular in the enthusiast community is that I assume it is easier to do a small run of alum cases than injection-molded plastic, especially if you are doing several colours.
Don't you need a huge setup to efficiently churn out plastic cases? Big initial investment, but then afterwards the cases are cheap.
With metal, you can do it in a medium-sized setup, or even a small shop. Like the steel HMKB, that's a small operation. So you can get your metal keyboard with choice of coloured case in a limited production run at a price that wouldn't be feasable with plastic?
I suppose I'm saying that production issues play a key role in case selection and availability.
That being said, I think plastic is underrated among enthusiasts. I've been running a Filco MJ2 since 2016 or so, and the case has virtually no wear. They are often better-sounding than metal cases, and don't give you static shock.
But you can produce monster metal cases that are just better than the equivalent plastic. Try the plastic case on a TADA68, and then the alum one, which was one of the cheapest out there back in the day. Massive improvement in typing experience IMHO, and more colour availability with the metal.
Heavy modern metal cases of anodized aluminium, extremely polished steel or brass etc. for keyboards are the equivalent of driving a gold plated Lamborghini on city streets - bordering on pointless vanity. Not only is metal as a case material completely unnecessary (I've never seen even a 10$ rubber dome with a plastic case significantly wear under normal use) it adds nothing particularly tangible to the durability of the keyboard itself since the case just hides the same, more or less cheap PCB's inside that every mech keeb has. At least an expensive sports car gets you a sports engine. Metal cases serve nothing more than for conspicuous consumption and to create artificial luxury tiers in the hobby.I like metal keebs and brass weights, but they're definitely more gaudy than, say, RGB or shine-through keycaps, and it's weird seeing keyboard guys get up in arms about that while paying $50-$100 for brass artisans or hundreds of dollars for polished metal case weights.
Old metal keyboards get a free pass on this because it was thought at the time that computers would last and not become obsolete so quickly. There was also a clear marriage between form and function, even if they were overbuilt - something modern keebs lack.
It doesn't mean I dislike metal cases or that all of them (or even most) are tacky.
It was a bit of deliberate hyperbole on my part. There are good reasons why metal cases are available and the prices at which they're sold. I do however think that we're in a situation in which there's a bit too much expensive bling at the highest level of customs, and too many' affordable' options at the lower level (dime a dozen china kits, gamer boards etc.) - and a gap in the middle that could have been filled with a lot of creative solutions (in plastic). The value placed on metal as the premium case material is a part of it I feel, and plastic has been somewhat unjustly neglected. The economics of injection molding perhaps play a part but perceptions do as well. After all the B-BOX variants are sold for 30$, so it's possible to make small and affordable runs.
Fusion 360 is horrible CAD and should be avoided at all costs.i do agree somewhat, i just find them all horribly unfriendly to use, apart from openSCAD but that may be my programing background
Come at me. haha
Fusion 360 is horrible CAD and should be avoided at all costs.
Come at me. haha
Winkeyless is overratedi dunno there is still a lot more keyboards with winkeys than without, and i do like the notch between ctrl and alt make them easier to find, although i do understand their use and all my keyboards have a gui key programmed somewhere, and a menu key also
Custom mechs are probably the most wasteful and inane hobby where companies price gouge morons out of their money. Enjoy your 150 dollar designer MX switches and 120 dollar+ caps while the companies are probably enjoying insane margins.
Tactile boards on the other hand I really only enjoy... rubber domes.
Custom mechs are probably the most wasteful and inane hobby where companies price gouge morons out of their money. Enjoy your 150 dollar designer MX switches and 120 dollar+ caps while the companies are probably enjoying insane margins.Tactile boards on the other hand I really only enjoy... rubber domes.
it all makes sense
Custom mechs are probably the most wasteful and inane hobby where companies price gouge morons out of their money. Enjoy your 150 dollar designer MX switches and 120 dollar+ caps while the companies are probably enjoying insane margins.Tactile boards on the other hand I really only enjoy... rubber domes.
it all makes sense
What makes sense? Care to explain?
Or did you just feel insulted by my post so you took something out of context in a lame attempt to make me look "bad"? :thumb:
By all means, reply to my post and disagree, even call me an idiot. I don't care. But please don't take things I said out of context and be passive aggressive about it.
I apologize, the sarcasm doesn't come across well over text. I'll keep it in mind :thumb:Custom mechs are probably the most wasteful and inane hobby where companies price gouge morons out of their money. Enjoy your 150 dollar designer MX switches and 120 dollar+ caps while the companies are probably enjoying insane margins.Tactile boards on the other hand I really only enjoy... rubber domes.
it all makes sense
What makes sense? Care to explain?
Or did you just feel insulted by my post so you took something out of context in a lame attempt to make me look "bad"? :thumb:
By all means, reply to my post and disagree, even call me an idiot. I don't care. But please don't take things I said out of context and be passive aggressive about it.
it was just a joke lol. gh is a lot more fun if you don't take yourself too seriously
I apologize, the sarcasm doesn't come across well over text. I'll keep it in mind :thumb:Custom mechs are probably the most wasteful and inane hobby where companies price gouge morons out of their money. Enjoy your 150 dollar designer MX switches and 120 dollar+ caps while the companies are probably enjoying insane margins.Tactile boards on the other hand I really only enjoy... rubber domes.
it all makes sense
What makes sense? Care to explain?
Or did you just feel insulted by my post so you took something out of context in a lame attempt to make me look "bad"? :thumb:
By all means, reply to my post and disagree, even call me an idiot. I don't care. But please don't take things I said out of context and be passive aggressive about it.
it was just a joke lol. gh is a lot more fun if you don't take yourself too seriously
Custom mechs are probably the most wasteful and inane hobby where companies price gouge morons out of their money. Enjoy your 150 dollar designer MX switches and 120 dollar+ caps while the companies are probably enjoying insane margins.
Custom mechs are probably the most wasteful and inane hobby where companies price gouge morons out of their money. Enjoy your 150 dollar designer MX switches and 120 dollar+ caps while the companies are probably enjoying insane margins.
I'd agree about the highly dubious value proposition, but I don't think that people are making truckloads of money out of this.
Custom mechs are probably the most wasteful and inane hobby where companies price gouge morons out of their money. Enjoy your 150 dollar designer MX switches and 120 dollar+ caps while the companies are probably enjoying insane margins.I'd say High end audio comes to mind. How in the world is a $2000 power cord going to make any difference on how your gear sounds??????
I'd say High end audio comes to mind.
flipped spacebars were always coolwho said they werent
I do not understand how i find browns way too light and red the right weight as, as far as, i know both are 45g. i don't even know if it is unpopular but given how popular browns are i think it could fit the bill.
I find browns good weight and reds too light. You are weird Yuii think we are both, and i think pretty much everyone here is weird in some way
Space Invader switches are drastically underrated and need to make a comebackAlong with awesome slider over dome designs.
It seems to me that smaller keyboard sizes have more to do with wanting to be different than actual usefulness. There's a reason commercial boards still use the AT layout. It was developed with extensive user input.
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flipped spacebars were always coolwho said they werent
Space Invader switches are drastically underrated and need to make a comeback
It seems to me that smaller keyboard sizes have more to do with wanting to be different than actual usefulness. There's a reason commercial boards still use the AT layout. It was developed with extensive user input.
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Custom mechs are probably the most wasteful and inane hobby where companies price gouge morons out of their money. Enjoy your 150 dollar designer MX switches and 120 dollar+ caps while the companies are probably enjoying insane margins.
I'd agree about the highly dubious value proposition, but I don't think that people are making truckloads of money out of this.
It seems to me that smaller keyboard sizes have more to do with wanting to be different than actual usefulness. There's a reason commercial boards still use the AT layout. It was developed with extensive user input.we do not use the AT layout really anymore it had quite a few revisions along the way, and it was developed to be useful to all peoples while customs are for you and only you, for typing text a 60% is plenty for terminal use 122% is better and for stock exchange it needs even more keys, depends on what you need, and tbh numpads looks good but if you are not crunching numbers all day long, are fairly useless
Unpopular opinion as of today: Linear switches are worse than Rubber Domes in terms of keyfeel.
Unpopular opinion as of today: Linear switches are worse than Rubber Domes in terms of keyfeel.
I actually think top tier rubber domes feel better than most mechanical tactile switches too. I do prefer linears for stuff like gaming and certain macros though.
Custom mechs are probably the most wasteful and inane hobby where companies price gouge morons out of their money. Enjoy your 150 dollar designer MX switches and 120 dollar+ caps while the companies are probably enjoying insane margins.
I'd agree about the highly dubious value proposition, but I don't think that people are making truckloads of money out of this.
I don't think the people who are designing the custom keycaps are making truckloads of money but companies like GMK surely are.
Laughs manically in Buckling springUnpopular opinion as of today: Linear switches are worse than Rubber Domes in terms of keyfeel.
I actually think top tier rubber domes feel better than most mechanical tactile switches too. I do prefer linears for stuff like gaming and certain macros though.
I actually think top tier rubber domes feel better than most mechanical tactile switches too. I do prefer linears for stuff like gaming and certain macros though.
Yes, but that doesn't mean that leaving then out makes for a better board...flipped spacebars were always coolwho said they werent
you shoulda seen this place a few years ago..Space Invader switches are drastically underrated and need to make a comeback
it's too bad that a little dirt will ruin them, cause clean black invaders are smooth af. and between "space invader" and "angry bear", they have both of the two coolest names.It seems to me that smaller keyboard sizes have more to do with wanting to be different than actual usefulness. There's a reason commercial boards still use the AT layout. It was developed with extensive user input.
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some of us just don't use the function row/numpad, not that crazy
it does when it means my board doesn't have a massive footprintYes, but that doesn't mean that leaving then out makes for a better board...flipped spacebars were always coolwho said they werent
you shoulda seen this place a few years ago..Space Invader switches are drastically underrated and need to make a comeback
it's too bad that a little dirt will ruin them, cause clean black invaders are smooth af. and between "space invader" and "angry bear", they have both of the two coolest names.It seems to me that smaller keyboard sizes have more to do with wanting to be different than actual usefulness. There's a reason commercial boards still use the AT layout. It was developed with extensive user input.
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some of us just don't use the function row/numpad, not that crazy
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I actually think top tier rubber domes feel better than most mechanical tactile switches too. I do prefer linears for stuff like gaming and certain macros though.
Is that really an unpopular opinion, though? Premium rubber-domes have a significant following.
Which 'top-tier rubber domes' feel better than most mechanical tactiles? MX tactility is a widely-acknowledged problem.
I prefer keyboards with the numpad on the left.Southpaw/Lefthanded numpads are way easier to use for right handed people. I'm kind of surprised they aren't standard.
:p
I prefer keyboards with the numpad on the left.Southpaw/Lefthanded numpads are way easier to use for right handed people. I'm kind of surprised they aren't standard.
:p
I can't for the life of me understand why heavy springs are so popular. But I'm on the extreme end. Even gateron clears at 35g actuation have plenty of resistance to them imo... I just don't get it.
I can't for the life of me understand why heavy springs are so popular. But I'm on the extreme end. Even gateron clears at 35g actuation have plenty of resistance to them imo... I just don't get it.
In my case, it's to deal with my fat fingers
I can't for the life of me understand why heavy springs are so popular. But I'm on the extreme end. Even gateron clears at 35g actuation have plenty of resistance to them imo... I just don't get it.
In my case, it's to deal with my fat fingers
That's understandable. But it just seems like 90% of the community wants somewhere between 60-70g switches, or at least the market is mostly catering to that resistance. Hehe, I compare gat reds at 45g to gat clears at 35g and it's night and day almost. Also, higher resistance switches force you to exert more force which can cause a more jarring bottom out. You can type more gently with lighter ones so it seems like the preferable choice for long sessions. If you look at stenographers who have to type non-stop, they have special switches and keyboards that can be sub 20g actuation!
That ends my thesis on why I'm right and the world's wrong. As far as fat fingers goes, it makes me wonder if there's specific keycaps designed with fat fingers in mind... maybe more surface area on them or something :)
[As far as fat fingers goes, it makes me wonder if there's specific keycaps designed with fat fingers in mind... maybe more surface area on them or something :)
Nowhere near 90% of the community is between 60-70g actuation. Also, most of these springs nowadays are rated at bottom out...which puts 60-70g springs at 40-55g actuation.
If you mean 60-70g bottom out then you're comparing apples to oranges because you're comparing bottom out weight to actuation weight of another switch.
I can't for the life of me understand why heavy springs are so popular. But I'm on the extreme end. Even gateron clears at 35g actuation have plenty of resistance to them imo... I just don't get it.
I can't for the life of me understand why heavy springs are so popular. But I'm on the extreme end. Even gateron clears at 35g actuation have plenty of resistance to them imo... I just don't get it.
In my case, it's to deal with my fat fingers
That's understandable. But it just seems like 90% of the community wants somewhere between 60-70g switches, or at least the market is mostly catering to that resistance. Hehe, I compare gat reds at 45g to gat clears at 35g and it's night and day almost. Also, higher resistance switches force you to exert more force which can cause a more jarring bottom out. You can type more gently with lighter ones so it seems like the preferable choice for long sessions. If you look at stenographers who have to type non-stop, they have special switches and keyboards that can be sub 20g actuation!
I can't for the life of me understand why heavy springs are so popular. But I'm on the extreme end. Even gateron clears at 35g actuation have plenty of resistance to them imo... I just don't get it.
Well, that's certainly an unpopular opinion.
Only time I have encountered a 35g actuation board was on a variable Realforce, and I couldn't fathom how anyone could type on one of those things, without accidental keypresses all over the place.
I can't for the life of me understand why heavy springs are so popular. But I'm on the extreme end. Even gateron clears at 35g actuation have plenty of resistance to them imo... I just don't get it.
Almost all aftermarket key cap sets look bad. How is the vintage computer enthusiast look a step up from stock?
If so that implies no demographic is providing demand for more timeless designs.Almost all aftermarket key cap sets look bad. How is the vintage computer enthusiast look a step up from stock?
Lots of users are in their thirties+? It wasn't until recently that younger kids started being a big demographic.
Almost all aftermarket key cap sets look bad. How is the vintage computer enthusiast look a step up from stock?
Lots of users are in their thirties+? It wasn't until recently that younger kids started being a big demographic.
I have an M122 and it doesn't feel as well made or as nice to type on as my Dell AT 102 W.I think it depends on the generation, late M122 were cheapened quite a bit but Dell AT 102 stopped production before becoming cheaper, so both having some of the best switches around, to me it make sense. if it were compared to an apple butterfly then i would have called you mad :) i love my 122 but i can see that LOUD NOISES and heavy springs are not for everyone, and that it is not the best construction ever either.
you'd be surprised how many of the biggest vintage enthusiasts are in their teens/early twenties
In my case, it's to deal with my fat fingers
I can't for the life of me understand why heavy springs are so popular. But I'm on the extreme end. Even gateron clears at 35g actuation have plenty of resistance to them imo... I just don't get it.
rotary encoders on boards are a cool idea but mostly look bad
- (Probably related to my previous unpopular opinion) I don't get why the "only viable and decent cases nowadays" are high profile ones. I really prefer the look of floating keys... not for the RGB flashy gaming side of it but simply for the overall "breathing and light" feeling it gives. I don't like how thick, heavy and cumbersome many high profile keyboards look like. The whole "floating keys gets dirtier than high profile" is exactly related to my previous comment. Dust travels in air (upwards and downwards) and settles between keys. The high profile side of the case doesn't protect more against dust than a floating keys design (in fact, it just hides it better but it is still dirty). Add to this the dead skin of fingers that gets under... Dusting and cleaning a floating key design is just much easier (tilt to the side, use a gentle brush...). As for the "high profile protects switches better", we don't even have to get into that...High profile has a better sound, and resting your fingers in the area above the arrow keys won't have a severe drop.
Heavy modern metal cases of anodized aluminium, extremely polished steel or brass etc. for keyboards are the equivalent of driving a gold plated Lamborghini on city streets - bordering on pointless vanity. Not only is metal as a case material completely unnecessary (I've never seen even a 10$ rubber dome with a plastic case significantly wear under normal use) it adds nothing particularly tangible to the durability of the keyboard itself since the case just hides the same, more or less cheap PCB's inside that every mech keeb has. At least an expensive sports car gets you a sports engine. Metal cases serve nothing more than for conspicuous consumption and to create artificial luxury tiers in the hobby.
Old metal keyboards get a free pass on this because it was thought at the time that computers would last and not become obsolete so quickly. There was also a clear marriage between form and function, even if they were overbuilt - something modern keebs lack.
It doesn't mean I dislike metal cases or that all of them (or even most) are tacky.
Agreed- (Probably related to my previous unpopular opinion) I don't get why the "only viable and decent cases nowadays" are high profile ones. I really prefer the look of floating keys... not for the RGB flashy gaming side of it but simply for the overall "breathing and light" feeling it gives. I don't like how thick, heavy and cumbersome many high profile keyboards look like. The whole "floating keys gets dirtier than high profile" is exactly related to my previous comment. Dust travels in air (upwards and downwards) and settles between keys. The high profile side of the case doesn't protect more against dust than a floating keys design (in fact, it just hides it better but it is still dirty). Add to this the dead skin of fingers that gets under... Dusting and cleaning a floating key design is just much easier (tilt to the side, use a gentle brush...). As for the "high profile protects switches better", we don't even have to get into that...High profile has a better sound, and resting your fingers in the area above the arrow keys won't have a severe drop.
I'm inclined to agree with this opinion, with the one caveat that a metal chassis for larger boards may be better overall for rigidity and just feeling more solid overall. But for anything like a 60% I feel like it almost defeats the purpose, at least if you intend to take the board anywhere other than right in front of your monitor. I've been perfectly satisfied with the plastic cases I have.
I'm inclined to agree with this opinion, with the one caveat that a metal chassis for larger boards may be better overall for rigidity and just feeling more solid overall. But for anything like a 60% I feel like it almost defeats the purpose, at least if you intend to take the board anywhere other than right in front of your monitor. I've been perfectly satisfied with the plastic cases I have.
You'll be pleased to know that attractive, affordable 65-68% keyboards are becoming available with translucent plastics / polycarb-style case materials. The NK65 got it rolling, now we have the KBD67 Lite, and coming soon probably the IKKI68 Aurora.
Layers really suck.who said layers are only for 60%, you can have them on a 122% or larger if you wish, and get plenty of keys to bind :)
I'm okay with layers up to the Shift key. With Control keys in software or OS, it's bearable for the added functionality. Anything beyond that, it's just a pain, and not worth the reduced keyboard real estate.
Split-spacebars should be the default standard of keyboards. Let's just say split down the middle for simplicity sake. Maybe one side for regular space, and the other for backspace. If all your fingers can type a bunch of different keys, surely your two thumbs can be used for two different purposes. After months on a split-spacebar layout, this my new unpopular opinion :)My first hotswap was an ergodox and having backspace on a thumb made a whole world of difference.
Split-spacebars should be the default standard of keyboards.
-Don't see any advantages of Alice layout over normal layoutto be honest i just find those keyboard interesting looking, and Alice is a pretty name, so 2 good reasons to have one :) although i do not see much point to them especially because they are inherently iso incompatible
60% keyboards are for people who only care about their keyboard for gaming.
the only key i really miss going from 122 to 65 keys is print screen, mostly because i never know where it is on my 2nd layer, so i need to check in via... and as the laptop keyboard is not too far, i often use that instead, i never thought that going to 60% would be that easy. although i never game on it as it was built for the ground up to be a silent work keyboard, so i can't talk for gamers, at home i game on the laptop keyboard or an M when i can be asked to plug it in, and when the game needs a kb (i am not a gamer i only play tower defense once or twice a week and once in a blue moon i will cut the folding on my gaming pc to play a game but with covid and one of the pc dying it has become much rarer)60% keyboards are for people who only care about their keyboard for gaming.
Really? 60% doesn't have dedicated function keys, and some games are awkward to play without them. I switched from a programming-oriented 60% format to a 75%/84-key just so I could get dedicated function and print screen keys for games.
60% keyboards are for people who only care about their keyboard for gaming. The whole "gaming" trend has lead to so many products that are impractical (and often cheap), but look cool. Keyboards are a good example, but you can also look at desk chairs, where "Gaming Racing Chairs" have overtaken the market. I can appreciate the looks of that stuff, but you use keyboards for more than just WASD, shift, ctrl, and space, so why not have a keyboard that actually works for anything else. Hell, my friend just put together a Levinson rev 3, and sure it's sick, but he never uses it because it's only a 40%.
Also why nobody places shift keys next to spacebar? Despite this, some people prefer longer spacebar, like 7x? IMO, 4.5u is the most optimal length for spacebar, and thumbs is more convienment for handling shift modifiers, than pinkies. But why nobody make keyboards this way for regular, not split, keyboards?
Maybe the reason for so many 60% boards is that at $1+ per switch, it's easier to fill a smaller board with the next hot Pandai do feel like gateron reds (silent) are plenty good enough felt scratchy far about a month and now only the least used keys feel scratchy, i do not really see the point of the really expensive mx compatible switches, when there are other better options that exists and are cheaper (like bs and alps for clicky, opto/hall for linear and well good rubber domes for tactile)
In my view, switches are the most important part, and there's no point in building a board if it has mediocre or sub-mediocre switches.
So yeah, I can understand the 60% thing. If switches cost a dollar each, and then there's springs, labour, and lube...
I'm building some silent Bobas, and I'm glad it's for a 65% and not a 100%.
I think that a huge number of those who're building their keyboards are young enough with enough time and make little enough money that their time is free.
For example, my garage door opener stripped a gear. I can fix it with a $5 part, but it will take me all day and stress me out. I can pay a guy $175 to do it and I sleep, so he's coming over next weekend.
Tell that to Funkmon circa 2011 and he'd be aghast at how much money Funkmon circa 2020 wasted, but I'm fine with it.
I remember that time; it wasn't even that long ago. I had a budget of $160 and I wanted X, so I had to essentially do it myself and it was kludged together ****. And, that's fine. I had a hard dollar limit and my time was flexible.
Ah, to be young again ... having effectively infinite free time, learning like crazy, being insanely productive, packing 100 hours into a day, so many possibilities/options to chose from, and feeling rich despite earning only pennies.
In contrast, being old is kinda like spending decades practicing for death.
the only key i really miss going from 122 to 65 keys is print screen, mostly because i never know where it is on my 2nd layer, so i need to check in via... and as the laptop keyboard is not too far, i often use that instead, i never thought that going to 60% would be that easy. although i never game on it as it was built for the ground up to be a silent work keyboard, so i can't talk for gamers, at home i game on the laptop keyboard or an M when i can be asked to plug it in, and when the game needs a kb (i am not a gamer i only play tower defense once or twice a week and once in a blue moon i will cut the folding on my gaming pc to play a game but with covid and one of the pc dying it has become much rarer)60% keyboards are for people who only care about their keyboard for gaming.
Really? 60% doesn't have dedicated function keys, and some games are awkward to play without them. I switched from a programming-oriented 60% format to a 75%/84-key just so I could get dedicated function and print screen keys for games.
the only key i really miss going from 122 to 65 keys is print screen, mostly because i never know where it is on my 2nd layer, so i need to check in via... and as the laptop keyboard is not too far, i often use that instead, i never thought that going to 60% would be that easy. although i never game on it as it was built for the ground up to be a silent work keyboard, so i can't talk for gamers, at home i game on the laptop keyboard or an M when i can be asked to plug it in, and when the game needs a kb (i am not a gamer i only play tower defense once or twice a week and once in a blue moon i will cut the folding on my gaming pc to play a game but with covid and one of the pc dying it has become much rarer)60% keyboards are for people who only care about their keyboard for gaming.
Really? 60% doesn't have dedicated function keys, and some games are awkward to play without them. I switched from a programming-oriented 60% format to a 75%/84-key just so I could get dedicated function and print screen keys for games.
I haven't used print screen since the snip tool came out. What do you use it for?
I use the print screen button to trigger greenshot - or rather printscrn in tandem with other keys depending on which of greenshot's functions I want to usethe only key i really miss going from 122 to 65 keys is print screen, mostly because i never know where it is on my 2nd layer, so i need to check in via... and as the laptop keyboard is not too far, i often use that instead, i never thought that going to 60% would be that easy. although i never game on it as it was built for the ground up to be a silent work keyboard, so i can't talk for gamers, at home i game on the laptop keyboard or an M when i can be asked to plug it in, and when the game needs a kb (i am not a gamer i only play tower defense once or twice a week and once in a blue moon i will cut the folding on my gaming pc to play a game but with covid and one of the pc dying it has become much rarer)60% keyboards are for people who only care about their keyboard for gaming.
Really? 60% doesn't have dedicated function keys, and some games are awkward to play without them. I switched from a programming-oriented 60% format to a 75%/84-key just so I could get dedicated function and print screen keys for games.
I haven't used print screen since the snip tool came out. What do you use it for?
the only key i really miss going from 122 to 65 keys is print screen, mostly because i never know where it is on my 2nd layer, so i need to check in via... and as the laptop keyboard is not too far, i often use that instead, i never thought that going to 60% would be that easy. although i never game on it as it was built for the ground up to be a silent work keyboard, so i can't talk for gamers, at home i game on the laptop keyboard or an M when i can be asked to plug it in, and when the game needs a kb (i am not a gamer i only play tower defense once or twice a week and once in a blue moon i will cut the folding on my gaming pc to play a game but with covid and one of the pc dying it has become much rarer)60% keyboards are for people who only care about their keyboard for gaming.
Really? 60% doesn't have dedicated function keys, and some games are awkward to play without them. I switched from a programming-oriented 60% format to a 75%/84-key just so I could get dedicated function and print screen keys for games.
I haven't used print screen since the snip tool came out. What do you use it for?
We shouldn't have to pay for smartphones, They should PAY US to use them.But that defeats the whole point of apple products. Their only selling point is that they're massively overpriced. They've nothing else going for them, after all.
Ergonomics is the closest thing to fascism keyboarding has to offer.
This week I'm reviewing an "ergonomic" keyboard that is a nice example of everything that's wrong with ergonomics. The comments will be a nice example of everything that's wrong with the people that use ergonomic products :p .Ergonomics is the closest thing to fascism keyboarding has to offer.
More Ergodox please.Show Image(https://i.imgur.com/XiFOtf2.gif)
This week I'm reviewing an "ergonomic" keyboard that is a nice example of everything that's wrong with ergonomics. The comments will be a nice example of everything that's wrong with the people that use ergonomic products :p .
This week I'm reviewing an "ergonomic" keyboard that is a nice example of everything that's wrong with ergonomics. The comments will be a nice example of everything that's wrong with the people that use ergonomic products :p .
This week I'm reviewing an "ergonomic" keyboard that is a nice example of everything that's wrong with ergonomics. The comments will be a nice example of everything that's wrong with the people that use ergonomic products :p .
I bet it's HHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHIDEOUS!
No idea if that's so unpopular, but I find the Model M just mushy, and not very satisfying to type on.
No idea if that's so unpopular, but I find the Model M just mushy, and not very satisfying to type on.
How fast is your attack, if you go slow alot of keys are mushy / grindy.
How fast is your attack
No idea how to describe this in a quantifiable way..
How fast is your attack
No idea how to describe this in a quantifiable way..
I learned to type on a manual mechanical typewriter in the mid-late-1960s. There was a complex but logical technique wherein you raised the forearm, then plunged the hand and forearm downward. As you began the stroke itself you flexed the hand downwards and snapped at the wrist to "spear" the key with the fingertip in order to generate enough force to activate it. Our prehistoric forebears fabricated the atlatl to facilitate a similar motion in their hunting.
When we advanced to the second semester, we were allowed to type on the magnificent ultra-modern "IBM Selectric" typewriter which required much less force, but the teacher still watched to ensure that we were using the "proper" technique.
No idea if that's so unpopular, but I find the Model M just mushy, and not very satisfying to type on.
How fast is your attack, if you go slow alot of keys are mushy / grindy.
No idea how to describe this in a quantifiable way..
When we advanced to the second semester, we were allowed to type on the magnificent ultra-modern "IBM Selectric" typewriter which required much less force, but the teacher still watched to ensure that we were using the "proper" technique.
No idea if that's so unpopular, but I find the Model M just mushy, and not very satisfying to type on.and what version of the M you got? there exists a rubber dome version of the M, and that would most definitely be mushy. other than that, yeah the M is not for everyone, it is rather heavy weighted and the case is not always the best quality.
No idea if that's so unpopular, but I find the Model M just mushy, and not very satisfying to type on.
Maybe this isn't terribly unpopular, but I have been thinking this for a while now:
Macropads are for when you've basically bought a keyboard that doesn't have enough keys in the first place.
Been seeing ICs/GBs for weird little macropads, where you basically end up with another corded item that clutters your desk space much less efficiently than a slightly larger keyboard. I figure this is when keyboards move past the practical and into the realm of decorative items.
I get it with separate numberpads- you can place them on the left or out of the way of the mouse, I only miss one when entering lots of IP addresses or Excel work (and recently went back to a dedicated numberpad anyway). But those weird little 4 or 6 button CNC'd macropads- beyond desktop jewellery, just why? Use layers, use a board that's over 60%, get a board with those extra function keys down the left hand side or something.
Maybe this isn't terribly unpopular, but I have been thinking this for a while now:
Macropads are for when you've basically bought a keyboard that doesn't have enough keys in the first place.
Been seeing ICs/GBs for weird little macropads, where you basically end up with another corded item that clutters your desk space much less efficiently than a slightly larger keyboard. I figure this is when keyboards move past the practical and into the realm of decorative items.
I get it with separate numberpads- you can place them on the left or out of the way of the mouse, I only miss one when entering lots of IP addresses or Excel work (and recently went back to a dedicated numberpad anyway). But those weird little 4 or 6 button CNC'd macropads- beyond desktop jewellery, just why? Use layers, use a board that's over 60%, get a board with those extra function keys down the left hand side or something.
Maybe this isn't terribly unpopular, but I have been thinking this for a while now:
Macropads are for when you've basically bought a keyboard that doesn't have enough keys in the first place.
Been seeing ICs/GBs for weird little macropads, where you basically end up with another corded item that clutters your desk space much less efficiently than a slightly larger keyboard. I figure this is when keyboards move past the practical and into the realm of decorative items.
I get it with separate numberpads- you can place them on the left or out of the way of the mouse, I only miss one when entering lots of IP addresses or Excel work (and recently went back to a dedicated numberpad anyway). But those weird little 4 or 6 button CNC'd macropads- beyond desktop jewellery, just why? Use layers, use a board that's over 60%, get a board with those extra function keys down the left hand side or something.
I understand what you're saying, but firstly, as ideus already said, people can enjoy things for purely aesthetic purposes and not everyone is a strict utilitarian. But from a functional perspective, small boards and macro pad combos offer a level of modularity that allows you to better customize the footprint on your desk. And say someone needs the partial functionality of a numpad but doesn't need the whole thing, why would it not make more sense for them to have a smaller keypad?
What I find odd though is that people will go to some lengths to avoid admitting that it's a pure aesthetic choice, and pull out imaginary functional reasons instead- more efficient use of desk space, or portability. If someone uses a macropad, this space saving disappears (it's way less efficient than a larger board, then you've got extra cable clutter), and having asked about it before it seems that almost nobody really uses their keyboard in a portable fashion.
Maybe this isn't terribly unpopular, but I have been thinking this for a while now:
Macropads are for when you've basically bought a keyboard that doesn't have enough keys in the first place.
What I find odd though is that people will go to some lengths to avoid admitting that it's a pure aesthetic choice, and pull out imaginary functional reasons instead- more efficient use of desk space, or portability. If someone uses a macropad, this space saving disappears (it's way less efficient than a larger board, then you've got extra cable clutter), and having asked about it before it seems that almost nobody really uses their keyboard in a portable fashion.
I mean a macropad frees you up to decide where that extra space goes, which is especially useful if you'd rather have those extra keys all to the left of your board for more mousepad space, whereas a larger keyboard is fixed. I also don't really understand your point about losing the space-saving functionality; a 60% + a keypad is still going to be smaller than or about the same size as a fullsize or an 1800.
What I find odd though is that people will go to some lengths to avoid admitting that it's a pure aesthetic choice, and pull out imaginary functional reasons instead- more efficient use of desk space, or portability. If someone uses a macropad, this space saving disappears (it's way less efficient than a larger board, then you've got extra cable clutter), and having asked about it before it seems that almost nobody really uses their keyboard in a portable fashion.
I mean a macropad frees you up to decide where that extra space goes, which is especially useful if you'd rather have those extra keys all to the left of your board for more mousepad space, whereas a larger keyboard is fixed. I also don't really understand your point about losing the space-saving functionality; a 60% + a keypad is still going to be smaller than or about the same size as a fullsize or an 1800.
Yes, which is why I made that comment about keyboards with the strip of macro keys down the left. Never really been into them myself, but I do think they are a great idea for anyone who needs macro/additional keys.
What I find odd though is that people will go to some lengths to avoid admitting that it's a pure aesthetic choice, and pull out imaginary functional reasons instead- more efficient use of desk space, or portability. If someone uses a macropad, this space saving disappears (it's way less efficient than a larger board, then you've got extra cable clutter), and having asked about it before it seems that almost nobody really uses their keyboard in a portable fashion.
I mean a macropad frees you up to decide where that extra space goes, which is especially useful if you'd rather have those extra keys all to the left of your board for more mousepad space, whereas a larger keyboard is fixed. I also don't really understand your point about losing the space-saving functionality; a 60% + a keypad is still going to be smaller than or about the same size as a fullsize or an 1800.
Yes, which is why I made that comment about keyboards with the strip of macro keys down the left. Never really been into them myself, but I do think they are a great idea for anyone who needs macro/additional keys.
Still ignoring the modularity and ability to adjust the configuration however you please rather than be constrained to a fixed layout.
What I find odd though is that people will go to some lengths to avoid admitting that it's a pure aesthetic choice, and pull out imaginary functional reasons instead- more efficient use of desk space, or portability. If someone uses a macropad, this space saving disappears (it's way less efficient than a larger board, then you've got extra cable clutter), and having asked about it before it seems that almost nobody really uses their keyboard in a portable fashion.
I mean a macropad frees you up to decide where that extra space goes, which is especially useful if you'd rather have those extra keys all to the left of your board for more mousepad space, whereas a larger keyboard is fixed. I also don't really understand your point about losing the space-saving functionality; a 60% + a keypad is still going to be smaller than or about the same size as a fullsize or an 1800.
Yes, which is why I made that comment about keyboards with the strip of macro keys down the left. Never really been into them myself, but I do think they are a great idea for anyone who needs macro/additional keys.
Still ignoring the modularity and ability to adjust the configuration however you please rather than be constrained to a fixed layout.
Okay then, so I have described my actual use case in terms of external macropads which then migrated back into my daily keyboard.
Do you use a macropad on a daily basis, or are we talking hand wavy hypotheticals here? 'Cause to me the 'tiny keyboard + macropad is smaller than a 104 board' sounds like a straw man argument, I certainly never suggested that.
it's way less efficient than a larger board
All the same people who used to buy $200 Corsairs, laugh at people with $20 rubber dome keyboards, and parrot everything Linus Techtip Sebastian said are now buying $500 "eNdGaMe" keyboards, laughing at people with gamer/KBDfans stuff, and parroting everything Taeha says. It's more about stunting than chasing new experiences or making something that looks and feels nice for a lot of people.The same people that do this are the same people that like to flex their money with "hype" clothing.
All the same people who used to buy $200 Corsairs, laugh at people with $20 rubber dome keyboards, and parrot everything Linus Techtip Sebastian said are now buying $500 "eNdGaMe" keyboards, laughing at people with gamer/KBDfans stuff, and parroting everything Taeha says. It's more about stunting than chasing new experiences or making something that looks and feels nice for a lot of people.
I've used plenty of macropads and keypads + modular keyboards over the years, yes. How is anything we're talking about "hand-wavy hypotheticals"? People, including myself, are literally utilizing modular setups with accessory boards right now to accomplish exactly what I have described, you just can't seem to comprehend that other users have different needs and goals from yourself. Even if I didn't use them personally, that doesn't limit my ability to understand the concept.it's way less efficient than a larger board
ugh what a horrible straw man I have conjured up out of nowhere (or maybe it's just an example that illustrates a broader point of why people are interested in macropads)
I've used plenty of macropads and keypads + modular keyboards over the years, yes. How is anything we're talking about "hand-wavy hypotheticals"? People, including myself, are literally utilizing modular setups with accessory boards right now to accomplish exactly what I have described, you just can't seem to comprehend that other users have different needs and goals from yourself. Even if I didn't use them personally, that doesn't limit my ability to understand the concept.it's way less efficient than a larger board
ugh what a horrible straw man I have conjured up out of nowhere (or maybe it's just an example that illustrates a broader point of why people are interested in macropads)
Well, then I am glad that I have so posted an opinion that is suitable for the thread topic, and have clearly touched a nerve.
I still think that for the most part, macropads as popularised in the ICs and GBs here are silly.
As a noob in these parts, I am puzzled by the "aviator" cable with the honking big clunky connector in the middle and the tight coil.
As a noob in these parts, I am puzzled by the "aviator" cable with the honking big clunky connector in the middle and the tight coil.
It is just another example of feature items that are just for show. Aviator cables and artisan caps are some of the most conspicuous examples of these trends.
All the same people who used to buy $200 Corsairs, laugh at people with $20 rubber dome keyboards, and parrot everything Linus Techtip Sebastian said are now buying $500 "eNdGaMe" keyboards, laughing at people with gamer/KBDfans stuff, and parroting everything Taeha says. It's more about stunting than chasing new experiences or making something that looks and feels nice for a lot of people.Never heard something more true about the keyboard community. I also feel like the influx of these “premium” $500-$700 boards are mostly cashgrabs from Chinese companies looking to get a quick buck from gullible Americans and Europeans. Like most of the time some of these boards aren’t really special or unique. Maybe I’m wrong though.
As a noob in these parts, I am puzzled by the "aviator" cable with the honking big clunky connector in the middle and the tight coil.
It is just another example of feature items that are just for show. Aviator cables and artisan caps are some of the most conspicuous examples of these trends.
One could argue that they offer a convenient way of switching between USB types for different devices. I've built two aviator cables for myself for fun, they're cool... Bulky, but I have a lot of free real estate on my desk.
Lemo on the other hand looks sick, but the prices of them are outlandish.
I love coiled cables. Reminds me of rotary landlines we had growing up :D
The magnetic connector seems to work fine so far,
I like coiled cables also,
you can DIY some
All the same people who used to buy $200 Corsairs, laugh at people with $20 rubber dome keyboards, and parrot everything Linus Techtip Sebastian said are now buying $500 "eNdGaMe" keyboards, laughing at people with gamer/KBDfans stuff, and parroting everything Taeha says. It's more about stunting than chasing new experiences or making something that looks and feels nice for a lot of people.Never heard something more true about the keyboard community. I also feel like the influx of these “premium” $500-$700 boards are mostly cashgrabs from Chinese companies looking to get a quick buck from gullible Americans and Europeans. Like most of the time some of these boards aren’t really special or unique. Maybe I’m wrong though.
Overlube. Don't listen to what all the pro keeb teachers tell you. Overlube (don't be afraid to use a generous amount). I've spent this whole time following their advice and being very gentle with the lube. Then my switches come out sounding scratchy. So then I say to myself, screw it, and brush a generous amount of lube on them. Lo and behold they're less scratchy, and they haven't become any more sluggish. I think ppl stress too much this "less is more" concept in lubing. Ultimately you'll have to experiment for yourself as this is my opinion, and maybe what I consider to be a lot others might consider just normal. Ofcourse use proper technique with applying an even coating with a brush, but I say don't be afraid to provide a generous healthy coating!In my experience, you can overlube most parts of the stem, just not the foot of the stem. With heavier lubes it makes the return and bottoming out feel mushy. Overdoing the sides or the top housing can affect the sound and feel in a good or bad way, too.
Edit: To actually give an objective observation, what I did was apply literally a double coating of what I normally apply to the stems of my switches. I then compared my single coated switches to my double coated switches. To be honest, many of them still felt the same in terms of scratchiness with the single and double, however there were some stragglers with the single coat that were definitely more scratchy, and overall the double coat feel slightly less scratchy. So it's a safer bet in my opinion to be more aggressive in lubing. There was no sluggishness in the double coated ones compared to the single coated. And I was using very light springs (the gateron clears at only 35g)!
Unfortunately I'm currently doing this experiment with silenced switches, so I can't make strong sound difference observations. They sound the same for silenced is all I can say.
Overlube. Don't listen to what all the pro keeb teachers tell you. Overlube (don't be afraid to use a generous amount). I've spent this whole time following their advice and being very gentle with the lube. Then my switches come out sounding scratchy. So then I say to myself, screw it, and brush a generous amount of lube on them. Lo and behold they're less scratchy, and they haven't become any more sluggish. I think ppl stress too much this "less is more" concept in lubing. Ultimately you'll have to experiment for yourself as this is my opinion, and maybe what I consider to be a lot others might consider just normal. Ofcourse use proper technique with applying an even coating with a brush, but I say don't be afraid to provide a generous healthy coating!
Edit: To actually give an objective observation, what I did was apply literally a double coating of what I normally apply to the stems of my switches. I then compared my single coated switches to my double coated switches. To be honest, many of them still felt the same in terms of scratchiness with the single and double, however there were some stragglers with the single coat that were definitely more scratchy, and overall the double coat feel slightly less scratchy. So it's a safer bet in my opinion to be more aggressive in lubing. There was no sluggishness in the double coated ones compared to the single coated. And I was using very light springs (the gateron clears at only 35g)!
Unfortunately I'm currently doing this experiment with silenced switches, so I can't make strong sound difference observations. They sound the same for silenced is all I can say.
i do agree there, switches should smooth out with time, if you need lube your switch is rather poor, my gat silent reds started off a bit scratchy but after about 2 months of rather heavy use only the keys i use the very least still feel a bit scratchy.
Contrary opinion: don't lube at all. Lubing is dumb. If you need to lube, you've picked a dumb switch.
In wait of the JIS GB, I've been looking at Hiragana alpha kits as they would be partially interchangeable with the real thing. But Katanana is straight up useless and just serves to limit my options.Hiragana > Katakana, I'm guessing kata kits are more common because they're less busy.
So I guess what I'm getting at is... Katakana kits are dumb.
I don't feel bad if key caps get cloned/ripped off when they were sold as a one-time GB or the secondhand prices are higher than the original cost.Don’t really mind this either.
Yea its not like they have patents on the colourways lol. As long as the keycap set well manufactured I couldn't care less if its a 'clone.'I don't feel bad if key caps get cloned/ripped off when they were sold as a one-time GB or the secondhand prices are higher than the original cost.Don’t really mind this either.
filco is overpriced and has terrible typing experience
realforce is ugly
topre is overrated
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for me, the costa stabs and the low quality stock keycaps killed itfilco is overpriced and has terrible typing experience
realforce is ugly
topre is overrated
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Is this really an unpopular opinion about Filco on forums where people build their own keyboards?
I agree that Filco leaves much to be desired. What is it that you think gives a terrible typing experience with Filco?
Overlube. Don't listen to what all the pro keeb teachers tell you. Overlube (don't be afraid to use a generous amount). I've spent this whole time following their advice and being very gentle with the lube. Then my switches come out sounding scratchy. So then I say to myself, screw it, and brush a generous amount of lube on them. Lo and behold they're less scratchy, and they haven't become any more sluggish. I think ppl stress too much this "less is more" concept in lubing. Ultimately you'll have to experiment for yourself as this is my opinion, and maybe what I consider to be a lot others might consider just normal. Ofcourse use proper technique with applying an even coating with a brush, but I say don't be afraid to provide a generous healthy coating!In my experience, you can overlube most parts of the stem, just not the foot of the stem. With heavier lubes it makes the return and bottoming out feel mushy. Overdoing the sides or the top housing can affect the sound and feel in a good or bad way, too.
Edit: To actually give an objective observation, what I did was apply literally a double coating of what I normally apply to the stems of my switches. I then compared my single coated switches to my double coated switches. To be honest, many of them still felt the same in terms of scratchiness with the single and double, however there were some stragglers with the single coat that were definitely more scratchy, and overall the double coat feel slightly less scratchy. So it's a safer bet in my opinion to be more aggressive in lubing. There was no sluggishness in the double coated ones compared to the single coated. And I was using very light springs (the gateron clears at only 35g)!
Unfortunately I'm currently doing this experiment with silenced switches, so I can't make strong sound difference observations. They sound the same for silenced is all I can say.
for me, the costa stabs and the low quality stock keycaps killed it
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I did overlubed my cherry black and then swap the spring for 80g actuation one, smoother and no sluggy at all (krytox205g0), but I dont think it's recommended for people those don't have a taste for heavier springOverlube. Don't listen to what all the pro keeb teachers tell you. Overlube (don't be afraid to use a generous amount). I've spent this whole time following their advice and being very gentle with the lube. Then my switches come out sounding scratchy. So then I say to myself, screw it, and brush a generous amount of lube on them. Lo and behold they're less scratchy, and they haven't become any more sluggish. I think ppl stress too much this "less is more" concept in lubing. Ultimately you'll have to experiment for yourself as this is my opinion, and maybe what I consider to be a lot others might consider just normal. Ofcourse use proper technique with applying an even coating with a brush, but I say don't be afraid to provide a generous healthy coating!In my experience, you can overlube most parts of the stem, just not the foot of the stem. With heavier lubes it makes the return and bottoming out feel mushy. Overdoing the sides or the top housing can affect the sound and feel in a good or bad way, too.
Edit: To actually give an objective observation, what I did was apply literally a double coating of what I normally apply to the stems of my switches. I then compared my single coated switches to my double coated switches. To be honest, many of them still felt the same in terms of scratchiness with the single and double, however there were some stragglers with the single coat that were definitely more scratchy, and overall the double coat feel slightly less scratchy. So it's a safer bet in my opinion to be more aggressive in lubing. There was no sluggishness in the double coated ones compared to the single coated. And I was using very light springs (the gateron clears at only 35g)!
Unfortunately I'm currently doing this experiment with silenced switches, so I can't make strong sound difference observations. They sound the same for silenced is all I can say.
Yep, I've definitely managed to over-lube Gat Yellows w/ 205g0 making them too slow and sluggish for touch typing at any decent WPM. Fortunately swabbing them out with a cue-tip gets them back into shape. I mostly stick with Tribosys 3203/4 now, much more forgiving.
Overlube. Don't listen to what all the pro keeb teachers tell you. Overlube (don't be afraid to use a generous amount). I've spent this whole time following their advice and being very gentle with the lube. Then my switches come out sounding scratchy. So then I say to myself, screw it, and brush a generous amount of lube on them. Lo and behold they're less scratchy, and they haven't become any more sluggish. I think ppl stress too much this "less is more" concept in lubing. Ultimately you'll have to experiment for yourself as this is my opinion, and maybe what I consider to be a lot others might consider just normal. Ofcourse use proper technique with applying an even coating with a brush, but I say don't be afraid to provide a generous healthy coating!
Edit: To actually give an objective observation, what I did was apply literally a double coating of what I normally apply to the stems of my switches. I then compared my single coated switches to my double coated switches. To be honest, many of them still felt the same in terms of scratchiness with the single and double, however there were some stragglers with the single coat that were definitely more scratchy, and overall the double coat feel slightly less scratchy. So it's a safer bet in my opinion to be more aggressive in lubing. There was no sluggishness in the double coated ones compared to the single coated. And I was using very light springs (the gateron clears at only 35g)!
Unfortunately I'm currently doing this experiment with silenced switches, so I can't make strong sound difference observations. They sound the same for silenced is all I can say.
Costar stabs are a nightmare. I'd rather use unlubed Cherry than Costar.
1. I hate spacebar. In particular the size of it. Anything greater than 2.25u is just a waste, I want to use my thumbs for more than occasionally tapping spacebar.
- Packing a separate keyboard to use with your laptop is cringey and not worth the backpack space
- Topre is an okay switch, but a realforce really shouldn't sell for even a penny over $80
- Packing a separate keyboard to use with your laptop is cringey and not worth the backpack space
- Packing a separate keyboard to use with your laptop is cringey and not worth the backpack spacedepends on the computer, an old (10 and 9 years for mines) HP with a good keyboard, yeah totally useless to pack an extra board with it, a newer Dell though, that is an other story. those are my 2 main experiences with modernish laptops, i do not know what recent HP keyboards are like, just that my old elite and pro books have pretty decent keyboards, and that the dell i have to work with at work have bad enough keyboards that everyone that got one want an external keyboard after one week of use, and none of them are keyboard enthusiast.
Wanting a great laptop typing experience on the go is another great benefit of 40% keebs.either you laptop is very rather small. or anyhow your keyboard is smaller than your laptop by a rather large margin, my 60% is about 5cm less wide than my 15" laptop, so a 40%... and to me i already would like to have one or 2 more keys on my 60% so i can't imagine using a 40% to be particularly better than a laptop, although for 2 different reasons mind you.
for me a 65% is perfect (specially a thin tray mounted one)Wanting a great laptop typing experience on the go is another great benefit of 40% keebs.either you laptop is very rather small. or anyhow your keyboard is smaller than your laptop by a rather large margin, my 60% is about 5cm less wide than my 15" laptop, so a 40%... and to me i already would like to have one or 2 more keys on my 60% so i can't imagine using a 40% to be particularly better than a laptop, although for 2 different reasons mind you.
although for typing on English only maybe 40% is enough. i dunno as i need to type in 2 language + code
1. I hate spacebar. In particular the size of it. Anything greater than 2.25u is just a waste, I want to use my thumbs for more than occasionally tapping spacebar.
I'm also puzzled by the massive spacebar. 3u would be a perfectly adequate spacebar size, IME. However, I do need my function keys - I don't do layers.
I'm saying this more to vent than as an opinion. But I really wish engineers would just re-invent the stabilizer. I feel like we can do better than what we have. It is so frustrating to be putting in a ton of dialetric grease only to have my stabilizer still making ticks and rattles, meanwhile my switch has become extremely mushy. Then I have to try straightening out the wire to see if that's the cause... then maybe try putting random pieces of bandaid or foam inside the stab housing and mess that up... and then 15 other tricks people have tried to remove rattle. Or I just hit the jackpot and a stabilizer works for no apparent reason on the first try.rattle is like a man's baldness, it's ugly and frustrating but not harming anyone, so yeah, nobody gonna cure it properly
Please engineers... just invent a non-rattling stabilizer. Start from scratch and make a new design. We put a man on the moon, surely this can be done.
I'm saying this more to vent than as an opinion. But I really wish engineers would just re-invent the stabilizer. I feel like we can do better than what we have. It is so frustrating to be putting in a ton of dialetric grease only to have my stabilizer still making ticks and rattles, meanwhile my switch has become extremely mushy. Then I have to try straightening out the wire to see if that's the cause... then maybe try putting random pieces of bandaid or foam inside the stab housing and mess that up... and then 15 other tricks people have tried to remove rattle. Or I just hit the jackpot and a stabilizer works for no apparent reason on the first try.
Please engineers... just invent a non-rattling stabilizer. Start from scratch and make a new design. We put a man on the moon, surely this can be done.
If cherry had just used dummy switches
I'm also puzzled by the massive spacebar. 3u would be a perfectly adequate spacebar size, IME. However, I do need my function keys - I don't do layers.
I guess it depends what you are using your keyboard for. Personally after discovering custom keyboards and finding out layers are a thing, I love them. I prefer re-using keys that are easy to access like binding stuff to home row as opposed to stretching all the way over to function keys.
I might tend to agree, but it usually comes at the unacceptable penalty of altering the shape of Backspace and/or Right Shift.
As a noob in these parts, I am puzzled by the "aviator" cable with the honking big clunky connector in the middle and the tight coil.
It is just another example of feature items that are just for show. Aviator cables and artisan caps are some of the most conspicuous examples of these trends.
One could argue that they offer a convenient way of switching between USB types for different devices. I've built two aviator cables for myself for fun, they're cool... Bulky, but I have a lot of free real estate on my desk.
Lemo on the other hand looks sick, but the prices of them are outlandish.
I love coiled cables. Reminds me of rotary landlines we had growing up :D
I've used the Fujitsu keyboard, which is generally considered to be an awful keyboard because it has a 'backwards' tactile response, and I didn't think it was so bad.
i do agree there, switches should smooth out with time, if you need lube your switch is rather poor, my gat silent reds started off a bit scratchy but after about 2 months of rather heavy use only the keys i use the very least still feel a bit scratchy.
Contrary opinion: don't lube at all. Lubing is dumb. If you need to lube, you've picked a dumb switch.
out of that experience i feel like lubing is rather a waste of time, but then in those times peoples do have time to waste.
filco is overpriced and has terrible typing experience
realforce is ugly
topre is overrated
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Costar stabs are a nightmare. I'd rather use unlubed Cherry than Costar.
Pretty sure that is for some reason a popular opinion given cherry seems to be by far the most popular choice.
I don't see it myself, costar has the best keyfeel, I don't care about rattle.
I'm not sure it's wise to out myself like this on my very first post, but here we go:
- PBT caps are overrated and chalky, broken in ABS shine is pleasant to use
- Tactile and clicky switches are both closer in feel to rubber domes than linear
- Complicated Alps really don't offer anything special over simplified Alps, and are prone to issues with key chatter that nobody likes to talk about
- The clean, crisp bottom out is one of the major benefits of mechanical boards and orings completely, totally ruin it
- Topre is an okay switch, but a realforce really shouldn't sell for even a penny over $80
- A little bit of keycap wobble actually makes for a more forgiving typing experience
- Any keyboard smaller than a 60% is a cruel, claustrophobic joke to see how many less switches you'll still pay actual money for
- Packing a separate keyboard to use with your laptop is cringey and not worth the backpack space
I'm saying this more to vent than as an opinion. But I really wish engineers would just re-invent the stabilizer. I feel like we can do better than what we have. It is so frustrating to be putting in a ton of dialetric grease only to have my stabilizer still making ticks and rattles, meanwhile my switch has become extremely mushy. Then I have to try straightening out the wire to see if that's the cause... then maybe try putting random pieces of bandaid or foam inside the stab housing and mess that up... and then 15 other tricks people have tried to remove rattle. Or I just hit the jackpot and a stabilizer works for no apparent reason on the first try.rattle is like a man's baldness, it's ugly and frustrating but not harming anyone, so yeah, nobody gonna cure it properly
Please engineers... just invent a non-rattling stabilizer. Start from scratch and make a new design. We put a man on the moon, surely this can be done.
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I might tend to agree, but it usually comes at the unacceptable penalty of altering the shape of Backspace and/or Right Shift.
I'd happily exile the \| button to a different layer for a big ass enter key.
When I think about it, I might be able to alter a Big ass enter key to fit over the \| switch's stem, wish there was a Cherry profile one though.
I'd happily exile the \| button to a different layer for a big ass enter key.
for the glorious of Satan of course my friend
I'd happily exile the \| button to a different layer for a big ass enter key.
Why does your wee little pinkie need a big ass enter key?
Probably have been already said, but IMO big ass enter key is the superior enter keyI don't mind the shape. However, most keyboards with the key that I have tried stabilise they key only on the vertical or on the horizontal, and so suffered from binding if pressed in the "wrong" spot.
I have a modern board with a big ass enter key (https://imgur.com/a/souUaTC) (Celeritas II).Probably have been already said, but IMO big ass enter key is the superior enter keyI don't mind the shape. However, most keyboards with the key that I have tried stabilise they key only on the vertical or on the horizontal, and so suffered from binding if pressed in the "wrong" spot.
On those that did have both a vertical and a horizontal stabiliser, pulling and replacing the key wasn't easy.
I might tend to agree, but it usually comes at the unacceptable penalty of altering the shape of Backspace and/or Right Shift.
This is why the Focus layout is the superior keyboard layout.Excellent layout.
- I'm not sure where you're going with tactiles and clickies feeling closer to rubber domes than linears other than the fact that rubber domes are tactile. One could also argue that a rubber dome is closer to linear than they are to very tactile clickies, like Alps or box navies. Then there's Matias' "linears" which actually kind of have a tactile bump at the end of travel.I've never felt a rubber dome as butter smooth as a linear. I assume the way they collapse makes it impossible. You can still put a click bar on a rubber dome if you really want. Not saying they are good or bad, just that in my opinion they're the hardest to emulate with rubber domes.
- That segways nicely into complicated vs simplified Alps. Have you tried SKCM blue Alps switches in perfect shape? I'm literally using some early-ish SKCM white Alps right next to some Matias switches at this very moment and these particular white Alps switches definitely have noticeable differences that some may prefer over simplified Alps. I think the difference between the two is a little blown out of proportion myself and use Matias clickies just about every day, but there's no arguing that some good SKCM blue Alps are a little more smooth/refined and bassier (for whatever that last part is worth).
- I haven't had any problems with chatter with any Alps, or derivative, boards that haven't been heavily abused (the plates usually look like they've spent some time at the bottom of the ocean in those cases). Matias actually used to be known for chatter problems, although I can't seem to find a single used board that has that problem yet.
- Yeah, packing a separate keyboard may be cringey, but laptops have some pretty terrible keyboards, so I might do it anyway.I certainly can't stop you, truth is I rarely even pack a computer anymore.
This is why the Focus layout is the superior keyboard layout.Excellent layout.
- I'm not sure where you're going with tactiles and clickies feeling closer to rubber domes than linears other than the fact that rubber domes are tactile. One could also argue that a rubber dome is closer to linear than they are to very tactile clickies, like Alps or box navies. Then there's Matias' "linears" which actually kind of have a tactile bump at the end of travel.I've never felt a rubber dome as butter smooth as a linear. I assume the way they collapse makes it impossible. You can still put a click bar on a rubber dome if you really want. Not saying they are good or bad, just that in my opinion they're the hardest to emulate with rubber domes.
- That segways nicely into complicated vs simplified Alps. Have you tried SKCM blue Alps switches in perfect shape? I'm literally using some early-ish SKCM white Alps right next to some Matias switches at this very moment and these particular white Alps switches definitely have noticeable differences that some may prefer over simplified Alps. I think the difference between the two is a little blown out of proportion myself and use Matias clickies just about every day, but there's no arguing that some good SKCM blue Alps are a little more smooth/refined and bassier (for whatever that last part is worth).
- I haven't had any problems with chatter with any Alps, or derivative, boards that haven't been heavily abused (the plates usually look like they've spent some time at the bottom of the ocean in those cases). Matias actually used to be known for chatter problems, although I can't seem to find a single used board that has that problem yet.
As far as Alps / Matias, I can confirm that I had a bit of a chattery Matias board. Never had the issue with simplified Alps, but maybe it's not SKCM specific. I did an Alps64 build with a handful of really clean blue alps, and beautiful switch I agree. I simply believe that the skcm switch plate is a less robust connection. Those tolerances are tight, but like, '80's tight'. Mine like a good blast of compressed air to keep them happy. Never had to do that for any other switches. Not a big deal, but something of note.
- Yeah, packing a separate keyboard may be cringey, but laptops have some pretty terrible keyboards, so I might do it anyway.I certainly can't stop you, truth is I rarely even pack a computer anymore.
I only use my phone when there's no other reasonable option. I hate touch screens.
All these new MX clones are pointless and uninteresting.
All these new MX clones are pointless and uninteresting.
I feel like every time I go on keyboard related outlet theres a new MX switch recolour and I honestly don't get it, unless you don't plan on putting keycaps on wtf is the point in these flashy looking switches.
Btw, stuff like Holy Pandas also falls into the 'MX clones' category.holy panda is not interesting tho
So that's actually a popular opinion?probably not, holy panda is super hyped, it's like 99% of people who care about keyboard would recommend it
SteelSeries Apex Pro is great because it's a broadly available, affordable keyboard with Hall Effect switches.
YesSteelSeries Apex Pro is great because it's a broadly available, affordable keyboard with Hall Effect switches.
Yo!
Has Chyros reviewed these?
From Amazon reviews:So that's actually a popular opinion?probably not, holy panda is super hyped, it's like 99% of people who care about keyboard would recommend it
It is a really nice feeling switch, but my springs came in different sizes. However, if I didn't open them up, I wouldn't have noticed.
I open them up to lube and film and notice more than half of the switch has broken legs.
Returning this broken product and I'll just stick to T1 switches from now on.
FYI, this issue has also been reported on DROP's website as well.
broken stem legs, unequal spring lengths, and poor packaging causing the switches to look like they exploded in the box
Pack of 110 pieces had 21 with broken legs off the tactile stem
So that's actually a popular opinion?probably not, holy panda is super hyped, it's like 99% of people who care about keyboard would recommend it
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well, HP is still highly hyped here in Asia, tbh I dont like tactile switch, linear is betterSo that's actually a popular opinion?probably not, holy panda is super hyped, it's like 99% of people who care about keyboard would recommend it
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Maybe like 2, 3 years ago HPs were super hyped. At this point though I think the whole "biggest bump" craze is coming to an end. Linear switches have cemented their place as kings of the MX realm & most of the hyped MX tactiles that came out recently have used a medium sized bump as a selling point.
Orange Alps are hollow and don't have much to feel.Only real innovation is pushed by Kailh, revived the click switches with the clickbar, provided actual redesign of MX style switches (BOX).
All these new MX clones are pointless and uninteresting.
Good rubber dome keyboards with stabilizers are nice.
Lubing switches seems to be an infectious disease.
The keyboard community hasn't made much progress in the past 10 years.
Btw, stuff like Holy Pandas also falls into the 'MX clones' category.
Btw, stuff like Holy Pandas also falls into the 'MX clones' category.
You might be onto something because for the life of me, I can't tell that much difference between my holy pandas and my gateron milky browns... To say I was disappointed would be an understatement.
Btw, stuff like Holy Pandas also falls into the 'MX clones' category.
You might be onto something because for the life of me, I can't tell that much difference between my holy pandas and my gateron milky browns... To say I was disappointed would be an understatement.
Orange Alps are hollow and don't have much to feel.
All these new MX clones are pointless and uninteresting.
Good rubber dome keyboards with stabilizers are nice.
Lubing switches seems to be an infectious disease.
The keyboard community hasn't made much progress in the past 10 years.
I only use my phone when there's no other reasonable option. I hate touch screens.
Preach on, brother... I mostly use mine to play solitaire and rummy while waiting for the dentist. Otherwise I ignore the stupid thing and leave it behind as much as possible.
Orange Alps are hollow and don't have much to feel.
All these new MX clones are pointless and uninteresting.
Good rubber dome keyboards with stabilizers are nice.
Lubing switches seems to be an infectious disease.
The keyboard community hasn't made much progress in the past 10 years.
What do you think are some examples of good rubber-dome keyboards besides Topre?isn't this question nonsensical, some peoples rather type on rubber domes, find that mushy bottom out comfortable, so for them mechs and topre offers not much benefits. the thing is that all of that is rather very subjective, so even if someone like a 3 usd random keyboard better than a 300 usd topre does not mean that you will find it nice, "good" is not something that really applies there, the good keyboard is the one you enjoy typing on, be it a 3000usd beamspring, 500usd topre or 3usd rubber dome.
A lot of old dome with sliders aren't bad, I have a quite good BTC dome with slider and an NMB dome with slider that are nice. But like $30 nice, not $100 nice.
What do you think are some examples of good rubber-dome keyboards besides Topre?isn't this question nonsensical, some peoples rather type on rubber domes, find that mushy bottom out comfortable, so for them mechs and topre offers not much benefits. the thing is that all of that is rather very subjective, so even if someone like a 3 usd random keyboard better than a 300 usd topre does not mean that you will find it nice, "good" is not something that really applies there, the good keyboard is the one you enjoy typing on, be it a 3000usd beamspring, 500usd topre or 3usd rubber dome.
Yes, I used older rubber-dome keyboards and had no problems. I just wonder what's in current production where the manufacturer attempted to create an enjoyable typing experience.
Orange Alps are hollow and don't have much to feel.
All these new MX clones are pointless and uninteresting.
Good rubber dome keyboards with stabilizers are nice.
Lubing switches seems to be an infectious disease.
The keyboard community hasn't made much progress in the past 10 years.
What do you think are some examples of good rubber-dome keyboards besides Topre?
Here's another one that will probably trigger a lof of linear lovers.
Cherry stabs with the legs are far better than clipped, they're less noisy and they really dont feel mushy at all.
Okay here's mine.
I like low-profile switches better. I would rather have my fingers be traveling less to type each letter.
Currently still using a regular mechy though, having the satisfying feel and sound is loads better than my typing speed on a flat chicklet keyboard. But I do wish there were more options for low profile switches. What I want just doesn't seem to exist right now.
I've been thinking about figuring out how to design my own.. but I have no idea what to do after I have an actual design. I wouldn't want to spend that much time without knowing if I could actually make them.
love is just chemicals in your brain.Artisan keycaps are just plastic at the end of the day -- people often forget that.
And art is just chemicals on a canvas! :p
i do not think peoples hate 60% per say, just that everybody and their dogs has made a 60% board and tried to sell it, while there are quite a few opensource 60% available. the market is just completely flooded and seller keeps on adding more of them, while there are almost no options for larger keyboards, so peoples who are in the market for 60% are rather content and silent, because they have plenty of options, but peoples who need a bit more start to get tiered of it.love is just chemicals in your brain.Artisan keycaps are just plastic at the end of the day -- people often forget that.
And art is just chemicals on a canvas! :p
seeing how hating on 60% keyboards is actually popular i'm gonna go and say something truly unpopular-
i love them, i think 60% are the perfect layout.
to me perfection is 122 keys with a 7u spacebar but i still use a 60% because, well there is no options in 122%, switches are expensive and space comes at a premium (still got a 7u bar though :))
i do not think peoples hate 60% per say
to me perfection is 122 keys with a 7u spacebar but i still use a 60% because, well there is no options in 122%, switches are expensive and space comes at a premium (still got a 7u bar though :))
F122? M122? There have been some 122% MX-compatible board projects, haven't there?
Even on the layout of the previous user of this F107, I keep getting frustrated that there's no dedicated escape or print screen keys and keep telling myself I'll fix that.
F122? M122? There have been some 122% MX-compatible board projects, haven't there?https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=106501.0
You're welcome.
Burn it with fire man, burn it with fire. The first thing I do on weird keyboards such as these is drop the tilde. I don't use that ****. That is now an escape. Even if it sometimes still looks like a tilde, it's escape.i had done that, and then my random password generator put a ` in my password... so now the escape is on a layer as typing the password across layers was a pain
there is no options in 122
Okay here's mine.
I like low-profile switches better. I would rather have my fingers be traveling less to type each letter.
Currently still using a regular mechy though, having the satisfying feel and sound is loads better than my typing speed on a flat chicklet keyboard. But I do wish there were more options for low profile switches. What I want just doesn't seem to exist right now.
I've been thinking about figuring out how to design my own.. but I have no idea what to do after I have an actual design. I wouldn't want to spend that much time without knowing if I could actually make them.
I think more people would consider this reasonable if there were enough low-profile switches. Kailh's Choc switches seem pretty nice to me, but all I care about are clickies.
Burn it with fire man, burn it with fire. The first thing I do on weird keyboards such as these is drop the tilde. I don't use that ****. That is now an escape. Even if it sometimes still looks like a tilde, it's escape.
there is no options in 122
NMB "Space Invaders" is available in a really nice 122-key board, if you like ISO Enter (it can't be modified to ANSI like ancient IBM iron), plus, if my memory serves me well, it has a standard PS/2 connector.
Okay here's mine.
I like low-profile switches better. I would rather have my fingers be traveling less to type each letter.
Currently still using a regular mechy though, having the satisfying feel and sound is loads better than my typing speed on a flat chicklet keyboard. But I do wish there were more options for low profile switches. What I want just doesn't seem to exist right now.
I've been thinking about figuring out how to design my own.. but I have no idea what to do after I have an actual design. I wouldn't want to spend that much time without knowing if I could actually make them.
I think more people would consider this reasonable if there were enough low-profile switches. Kailh's Choc switches seem pretty nice to me, but all I care about are clickies.
Is there something in the way of making more low-profile switches? Like some kind of difficult engineering barrier? Or is it just a matter of someone making a new switch? I feel like there is market for it, but I could be wrong. I kinda wish I could just design my own and be done with it
there is no options in 122
NMB "Space Invaders" is available in a really nice 122-key board, if you like ISO Enter (it can't be modified to ANSI like ancient IBM iron), plus, if my memory serves me well, it has a standard PS/2 connector.
That.... actually looks quite interesting Oo .
there is no options in 122
NMB "Space Invaders" is available in a really nice 122-key board, if you like ISO Enter (it can't be modified to ANSI like ancient IBM iron), plus, if my memory serves me well, it has a standard PS/2 connector.
Or, there is always Pylon's Boston, a more modern take on a 122:Show Image(https://i.imgur.com/HZKJ3BK.jpg)
a space saver for chyros :)Or, there is always Pylon's Boston, a more modern take on a 122:That.... actually looks quite interesting Oo .Show Image(https://i.imgur.com/HZKJ3BK.jpg)
ohhhh, me likey likey, a giant mothafuvking artisan display boarda space saver for chyros :)Or, there is always Pylon's Boston, a more modern take on a 122:That.... actually looks quite interesting Oo .Show Image(https://i.imgur.com/HZKJ3BK.jpg)
I got one for Chyros specifically: Staggered QWERTY is the Imperial Units of keyboard layouts.Staggered QWERTY is the OPPOSITE of imperial units! All the other units are imperial; no-one uses them, and they are completely whimsical and pointless without any benefit.
If you think THAT'S giant, you should see anything battleship+ xD .ohhhh, me likey likey, a giant mothafuvking artisan display boarda space saver for chyros :)Or, there is always Pylon's Boston, a more modern take on a 122:That.... actually looks quite interesting Oo .Show Image(https://i.imgur.com/HZKJ3BK.jpg)
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angled keyboards are unhealthy for your wrists and are extremely uncomfortable
angled keyboards are unhealthy for your wrists and are extremely uncomfortable
This shouldn't be an unpopular opinion if we're gonna be honest. I'm unsure why people like steep angles, or any angles for that matter.
angled keyboards are unhealthy for your wrists and are extremely uncomfortable
This shouldn't be an unpopular opinion if we're gonna be honest. I'm unsure why people like steep angles, or any angles for that matter.
Artisan keycaps are just plastic at the end of the day -- people often forget that.
And art is just chemicals on a canvas! :p
angled keyboards are unhealthy for your wrists and are extremely uncomfortable
This shouldn't be an unpopular opinion if we're gonna be honest. I'm unsure why people like steep angles, or any angles for that matter.
angled keyboards are unhealthy for your wrists and are extremely uncomfortable
This shouldn't be an unpopular opinion if we're gonna be honest. I'm unsure why people like steep angles, or any angles for that matter.
At least for me, if i type with floating wrists(pretty much always) it's much more comfortable to have steep angle - 7+.
Artisan keycaps are just plastic at the end of the day -- people often forget that.
And art is just chemicals on a canvas! :p
Gottem :))
Artisan keycaps are just plastic at the end of the day -- people often forget that.
And art is just chemicals on a canvas! :p
Gottem :))
Art is pretty pointless too, in my opinion. I can appreciate the classics for their workmanship/skill, but when you start stacking rocks in the middle of a room, or just splattering random colors on a canvas, it gets a little ridiculous.
People like what they like though. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
angled keyboards are unhealthy for your wrists and are extremely uncomfortable
This shouldn't be an unpopular opinion if we're gonna be honest. I'm unsure why people like steep angles, or any angles for that matter.
Here goes nothing.
Normal rubber dome keyboards aren't unusable. Also cheap mechanical boards are totally fine. And RGB isn't horrible, since it can be turned off. Other gAm3r stuff sucks though.
angled keyboards are unhealthy for your wrists and are extremely uncomfortable
This shouldn't be an unpopular opinion if we're gonna be honest. I'm unsure why people like steep angles, or any angles for that matter.
Here goes nothing.
Normal rubber dome keyboards aren't unusable. Also cheap mechanical boards are totally fine. And RGB isn't horrible, since it can be turned off. Other gAm3r stuff sucks though.
angled keyboards are unhealthy for your wrists and are extremely uncomfortable
This shouldn't be an unpopular opinion if we're gonna be honest. I'm unsure why people like steep angles, or any angles for that matter.
Agreed. I always set mine as flat as possible.
BTC rubber dome with sliders is a good keyboard.
angled keyboards are unhealthy for your wrists and are extremely uncomfortable
This shouldn't be an unpopular opinion if we're gonna be honest. I'm unsure why people like steep angles, or any angles for that matter.
Agreed. I always set mine as flat as possible.
MAN I THOUGHT YOU WERE COOL
I always wondered why keyboards even had adjustable feet
I always wondered why keyboards even had adjustable feet
It seems to me that it would be better if the keyboard tilted away from you.
Well, unless it was too high already.
I always wondered why keyboards even had adjustable feet
It seems to me that it would be better if the keyboard tilted away from you.
Well, unless it was too high already.
If a switch is not good stock, and requires mods to be decent, then it’s not a good switch, especially when it’s from a big vendor.
Just a thought after trying the T1 and the Bobas U4T.
Custom keyboards are overrated and a waste of money.
Custom keyboards are overrated and a waste of money.
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Filco's stabilisers suck and the keycaps aren't great.Custom keyboards are overrated and a waste of money.
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Give me a filco or hhkb anyday.
What I think he's saying is that he'd never do it, and it isn't even worth it to express oneself. You might as well stick a bunch of Twilight stickers on your Filco or something.
Filco's stabilisers suck and the keycaps aren't great.Custom keyboards are overrated and a waste of money.
:eek:
Give me a filco or hhkb anyday.
Isn't that customisation though?Filco's stabilisers suck and the keycaps aren't great.Custom keyboards are overrated and a waste of money.
:eek:
Give me a filco or hhkb anyday.
Oh they are trash keycaps for sure. I dont have issues with costar stabs though, takes a lot less to make them not suck compared to cherry stabs.
Custom keyboards are overrated and a waste of money.
I think minor customization on a stock product usually makes more sense than buying designer do it yourself kits that can cost far more. I think it's kinda funny that custom keyboards are almost always just expensive off the shelf components, even soldering isn't necessary anymore. It's like building a computer and saying you're part of the custom computer community.Isn't that customisation though?Filco's stabilisers suck and the keycaps aren't great.Custom keyboards are overrated and a waste of money.
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Give me a filco or hhkb anyday.
Oh they are trash keycaps for sure. I dont have issues with costar stabs though, takes a lot less to make them not suck compared to cherry stabs.
And switches, don’t forget switches.Custom keyboards are overrated and a waste of money.
I fundamentally agree, unless you need/want a weird layout that just isn't available commercially. Compact full sizes or larger than full sizes just aren't very common nor good commercially as far as I know, or left sided num pads.
Custom keyboards are overrated and a waste of money.this hobby really isn't focused on being good value :p but you can still get a really nice keyboard for under what most gamer boards are and on par or better than nicer ones like varmilo, leopold, filco for a little more, but when people are paying the extreme r/mm prices on boards rn i agree with you
Desolder, swap, solder. Problem solved.And switches, don’t forget switches.Custom keyboards are overrated and a waste of money.
I fundamentally agree, unless you need/want a weird layout that just isn't available commercially. Compact full sizes or larger than full sizes just aren't very common nor good commercially as far as I know, or left sided num pads.
A lot of the great switches are not available in most prebuilt keyboards.
Desolder, swap, solder. Problem solved.And switches, don’t forget switches.Custom keyboards are overrated and a waste of money.
I fundamentally agree, unless you need/want a weird layout that just isn't available commercially. Compact full sizes or larger than full sizes just aren't very common nor good commercially as far as I know, or left sided num pads.
A lot of the great switches are not available in most prebuilt keyboards.
What's that supposed to mean?Desolder, swap, solder. Problem solved.And switches, don’t forget switches.Custom keyboards are overrated and a waste of money.
I fundamentally agree, unless you need/want a weird layout that just isn't available commercially. Compact full sizes or larger than full sizes just aren't very common nor good commercially as far as I know, or left sided num pads.
A lot of the great switches are not available in most prebuilt keyboards.
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means put whatever keys you want in prefab board, i think
Thought that keeps popping up:
I don’t understand why artisan collaborations for keycaps sets have nothing to do with the theme but for the colourway. A keycap sculpted to look like a cat or a dog or a bull or whatever in a dozen different colours for different keycap sets doesn’t feel like a collaboration to me, just an excuse to reuse the same molds.
I realise that a lot of work goes into developing the concept for an artisan and turning it into a usable mold and have nothing against these designers continuing to profit from their work of course - it just baffles me when I see it.
This may have been covered... but the current trend of "EVERYTHING BLACK BY DEFAULT" is just as bad, if not worse, than "EVERYTHING BEIGE BY DEFAULT" and "EVERYTHING GREY BY DEFAULT." I'm talking about everyday keyboards and computer equipment, not specialist stuff.
I used to hate ye olde computer equipment being all beige, before I became interested in vintage keyboards (this came before any cursory interest in vintage computers). It has grown on me. Now I think of it as a fun novelty, if nothing else, to have some bizarre old beige slab on my desk for people to be confused by. I can especially appreciate the aesthetics of an "industrial gray" keyboard with pearl and pebble caps now.
The interesting thing to me is how long this trend of all black has gone on. There was a small period of time, in the early 2000s, where silver (or silver and black) was the cool thing. Previously the beige craze seemed to be started by IBM at the close of the 70s (though there was still some variation in the 80s).
Personally, I don't mind. As Henry Ford once said, "Any customer can have a car painted any color that he wants so long as it is black." I quite like black, so that works for me.
This may have been covered... but the current trend of "EVERYTHING BLACK BY DEFAULT" is just as bad, if not worse, than "EVERYTHING BEIGE BY DEFAULT" and "EVERYTHING GREY BY DEFAULT." I'm talking about everyday keyboards and computer equipment, not specialist stuff.I used to hate ye olde computer equipment being all beige
This may have been covered... but the current trend of "EVERYTHING BLACK BY DEFAULT" is just as bad, if not worse, than "EVERYTHING BEIGE BY DEFAULT" and "EVERYTHING GREY BY DEFAULT." I'm talking about everyday keyboards and computer equipment, not specialist stuff.I used to hate ye olde computer equipment being all beige
If they bring BACK beige, it won't be cool anymore, and people will move back to black and silver again.
Personally, I have a bit of a pet peeve for anyone who insists that there's no way a mechanical board could feel that much better than a membrane! After all, why would people have moved away from them otherwise?
Edit: I just realized this is likely only unpopular to me because I grew up in the most hillbilly part of Kentucky possible, and barely anyone there is even into tech, let alone the niche of mechanical keyboards.
I don't think I have handed anybody a clicky keyboard that hasn't loved typing on it. My coworker that's in his 70s seems more enthused with the RGB LEDs than anything else about the board I gave them for Christmas though.
I had a girlfriend who preferred the short travel of her Apple keyboard because she's a moron.
I don't think I have handed anybody a clicky keyboard that hasn't loved typing on it. My coworker that's in his 70s seems more enthused with the RGB LEDs than anything else about the board I gave them for Christmas though.
For context of my first post, this is when trying to convince people back where I grew up in eastern KY that mechs are worth the price tag. Their universal reaction was always "it's just the keyboard why does it matter" or some variation of what I mentioned in my first post.
Then again, to most of them, Apple was the pinnacle of high end computing, because if it's not customizable and is relatively hard to get in that area, that must mean it's the best of the best and nothing can top it. :rolleyes:
I had a girlfriend who preferred the short travel of her Apple keyboard because she's a moron.
I used to like scissor switches ... before I knew anything. I can't say I could try a Model M, or similar, and say the same.I don't think I have handed anybody a clicky keyboard that hasn't loved typing on it. My coworker that's in his 70s seems more enthused with the RGB LEDs than anything else about the board I gave them for Christmas though.
For context of my first post, this is when trying to convince people back where I grew up in eastern KY that mechs are worth the price tag. Their universal reaction was always "it's just the keyboard why does it matter" or some variation of what I mentioned in my first post.
Then again, to most of them, Apple was the pinnacle of high end computing, because if it's not customizable and is relatively hard to get in that area, that must mean it's the best of the best and nothing can top it. :rolleyes:
That must have been before you could get a board full of Outemu blues for $30?
I think the Apple thing is universal, unfortunately. Cook's blunderings are helping to change that though. Jobs could sell you a paper bag full of dog crap (and often did). Cook, not so much.
I had a girlfriend who preferred the short travel of her Apple keyboard because she's a moron.
ERGODOX out of scissor switches
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I had a girlfriend who preferred the short travel of her Apple keyboard because she's a moron.
I had a girlfriend who preferred the short travel of her Apple keyboard because she's a moron.
My ex-wife is a magazine editor and has been typing thousands of words per day since the 1980s. She has been a devoted Apple cult member for the last 2/3 of that period and specifically now likes the shortest possible travel because she believes that it makes her life easier. Unlike those of us who poke and stab, her fingers float over the keys and dip down with a feather's touch.
Although my personal preference is the opposite, there is no way to disparage hers. I am a firm believer in empirical evidence and her production totals dwarf mine, therefore her opinions and preferences are indisputably valid.
Too many people are treating group buys like preordering, and go into them blindly without expecting that they can ever go wrong. Years before I joined GH I used to see horror stories all the time of GB runners disappearing or kits falling off of shipping barges or whatever. Now whenever I see a GB made by a guy with a new account with renders but no prototype, or a keyset with a ton of crazy colors that'll probably take ages to match, I get shook. There's probably gonna be a lot of backlash and drama in the hobby this year.
Honestly, while I initially agreed with some of you about artisans, I think that if they're done well and done tastefully they're alright.
Honestly, while I initially agreed with some of you about artisans, I think that if they're done well and done tastefully they're alright.
I find them all distasteful, but that's also a matter of taste.
Honestly, while I initially agreed with some of you about artisans, I think that if they're done well and done tastefully they're alright.
I find them all distasteful, but that's also a matter of taste.
When I say tastefully, I mean if you get a keycap set and an artisan that matches the color scheme and theming of the keycaps, like a set with a novelty spacebar that's a nice blue with images of koi on it, then getting an artisan ESC key with the same color and actual koi models in it, that could work rather well and look nice. At the end of the day, I see artisans as the keyboard equivalent of a project car - it looks nice, and it certainly does its desired function, but it's on the expensive side for what it is and not everyone is interested in them or wants one.
Does anyone use artisan keycaps on their work keyboards?well, if it a metal artisan from RAMA, i don't mind using it on work board lol
Does anyone use artisan keycaps on their work keyboards?well, if it a metal artisan from RAMA, i don't mind using it on work board lol
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For comparison, behold the beauty of this Sharp 10-key calculator and its wide well-positioned 0 key:And because of that you will probably agree with me, that the IBM Model F XT has the best layout ever and is certainly not "weird", how many ignorant people call it.
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begs the question: is rama a novelty or an artisan?well, they claimed it's an artisan, so...Does anyone use artisan keycaps on their work keyboards?well, if it a metal artisan from RAMA, i don't mind using it on work board lol
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Typing is more important than handwriting by a factor of 1,000,000,000i do agree, and not only because i can't write to save my life :)
well, they claimed it's an artisan, so...
https://drop.com/buy/rama-works-x-nautilus-nightmares-artisan-keycap
Typing is more important than handwriting by a factor of 1,000,000,000i do agree, and not only because i can't write to save my life :)
"When people type their notes, they have this tendency to try to take verbatim notes and write down as much of the lecture as they can," Mueller tells NPR's Rachel Martin (https://www.npr.org/2016/04/17/474525392/attention-students-put-your-laptops-away). "The students who were taking longhand notes in our studies were forced to be more selective — because you can't write as fast as you can type. And that extra processing of the material that they were doing benefited them."
If you learn well typing, you absolutely should! The overlaps between the [typists vs. writers] was large for almost every metric studied. The performance of the student mattered more than how they took notes. Therefore, we recommend that students should stick with what they do best. But, if you're on the fence, consider writing. It's low tech, it can be ugly for those with terrible handwriting, and it's pretty slow. But, in the end, you may just end up learning more (https://www.clearvuehealth.com/writingtyping/).
The research by Mueller and Oppenheimer serves as a reminder, however, that even when technology allows us to do more in less time, it does not always foster learning. Learning involves more than the receipt and the regurgitation of information (https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/a-learning-secret-don-t-take-notes-with-a-laptop/).
Writing notes by hand generally improves your understanding of the material and helps you remember it better, since writing it down involves deeper cognitive-processing of the material than typing it... Despite the fact that typing notes on a computer doesn’t promote as much cognitive processing of the material, typing notes and writing them by hand are both valid note-taking methods, and each can be preferable in different situations, as they both have their advantages and disadvantages (https://effectiviology.com/handwriting-vs-typing-how-to-take-notes/).
Typing is more important than handwriting by a factor of 1,000,000,000i do agree, and not only because i can't write to save my life :)
I can write well (it's not the nicest to look at but it's still very legible), but I can definitely confirm that typing skill has a larger impact on your life than writing skill.
Someone that does not type cannot survive in this digital era.
TL/DR: none of the above sources reflect the impact of COVID restrictions. Read about teen disengagement here (https://www.brookings.edu/blog/up-front/2020/10/01/teen-disengagement-is-on-the-rise/). Also, read here (https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/education/2020/12/23/students-failing-grades-online-class-coronavirus/3967886001/) about "scores of students are getting F's: what's the point of failing them during COVID-19?" They may need to type to be in the work force, but first they have to get through school.
Cyber Bullyingi am pretty sure proper bullying ain't better be it as numbers or for mental health... not that i know for experience or anything that 2nd part but i was in France were bulling can carry a prison sentence, not in the US were bulling is the social norm... i am sorry but bullies will be bullies online or offline, just need to tighten on them, if they end up serving either social service or prison sentence they may start to think twice about bullying the next guy... and some on the internet will tell you that saying hi and how are you to a woman on the street is rape, so what is bullying to them...
Approximately 34% of students report experiencing cyberbullying during their lifetime (Hinduja & Patchin, 2015)
Over 60% of students who experience cyberbullying reported that it immensely impacted their ability to learn and feel safe while at school (Hinduja, 2018)
59% of U.S. teens have been bullied or harassed online, and over 90% believe it's a major problem for people their age (Pew Research Center, 2018)
Cyber Bullyingi am pretty sure proper bullying ain't better be it as numbers or for mental health... not that i know for experience or anything that 2nd part but i was in France were bulling can carry a prison sentence, not in the US were bulling is the social norm... i am sorry but bullies will be bullies online or offline, just need to tighten on them, if they end up serving either social service or prison sentence they may start to think twice about bullying the next guy... and some on the internet will tell you that saying hi and how are you to a woman on the street is rape, so what is bullying to them...
Approximately 34% of students report experiencing cyberbullying during their lifetime (Hinduja & Patchin, 2015)
Over 60% of students who experience cyberbullying reported that it immensely impacted their ability to learn and feel safe while at school (Hinduja, 2018)
59% of U.S. teens have been bullied or harassed online, and over 90% believe it's a major problem for people their age (Pew Research Center, 2018)
and none of that has anything to do in this thread...
This is primarily a failure of THE STATE to inspire the younger generation w/ meaningful social goals.
What we're acting out as of current is the END GAME of CAPITALISM.
The internet may well magnify the total Bully-ing Bandwidth that a young person is exposed to.
But overall, we're very much into the Behavioral Sink phase of societal decay. It's to be expected that a huge percentage of hughmahns become rabid.
This is primarily a failure of THE STATE to inspire the younger generation w/ meaningful social goals.
What we're acting out as of current is the END GAME of CAPITALISM. This is our natural conclusion. As long as we continue to model VALUE in the current form (Hedonic Output), Equal unhappiness will be generated w/ happiness. This is the default Modulation of the hedonic loop in every thinking being.
It's not possible to cut off the internet, or prevent its uptake/ use. That's like cutting off the hand to fix a broken finger. Or gastic bypass, etc. It won't work, as it's only symptom relief without addressing the CAUSE.
We have to change our Value system. Not Stop-Typing.
To Think that you can improve people's lives by taking them off the internet is in itself myopic. They'll just find ways to be unhappy elsewhere, the underlying broken value system is pervasive in every arena of life.
I have tried: Ergodox, X-Bows, Planck, and a bunch of more conventional mechanical keyboards over the course of ten years. I do realize that most of the following has already come up in this 100-page topic, but I think it's a good place to dump my unpopular kbd concerns.The WPM thing is such a weird thing, people already have enough recolors and 100k GB of keyboards and keycaps that they probably need a new way to measure contest...
1. Mechanical switches have nothing to do with ergonomics. They are bulky, they are high and they have too much travel. The only reason they are connected to ergonomics is that this is the only type of switch you can use for DIY.
2. Ortholinear is overrated.
3. Most of the claims about keyboards' ergonomics are false.
4. Thumb clusters are not comfortable. Yes, your thumb is the biggest, the strongest, and the most agile finger, but it is an opposite finger and it is not supposed for side movements.
5. The best keyboard you can buy is Microsoft Sculpt Ergonomic Desktop - split, wireless, low-profile, short spacebar, big modifiers, embedded wrist rest, tented and negative tilted out of the box. Costs around 80$-100$. Considered bad in the community because "it's not mechanical and ortholinear haha".
6. 60%, 40%, moving common symbols to layers is not worth it. Pressing several function buttons instead of stretching your hand a bit is less comfortable and ergonomic. "Do leave your home row" does not make sense - what's wrong with moving your hands a little bit?
7. Many people judge keyboards by typing speed, but how many of them HAVE to type that fast? Same for different layouts and measuring "finger travel distance" - are you traveling that much?
8. Wrist rests, comfortable hand position, ease of pressing hotkeys - is much more valuable but is omitted by most of the keyboard makers.
9. Switches. There are hundreds of them, all different, you should lube and change springs and still, a lot of people are not very happy with their choice and looking for something better. Does not that mean that all of them are bad by design? Have you ever heard about someone whining about his forks and buying more and more different forks to find "the right one"?
WPM is just a convenient measure of comfort and efficiency, at least over short periods of time. (Though back when I took keyboarding in high school on the Mighty IBM Selectric it was also essential to getting a good grade, by showing that you had actually learned and practiced.)
For comparison, behold the beauty of this Sharp 10-key calculator and its wide well-positioned 0 key:And because of that you will probably agree with me, that the IBM Model F XT has the best layout ever and is certainly not "weird", how many ignorant people call it.
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Someone that does not type cannot survive in this digital era.
I encourage you to think more broadly. For some, digital is a death sentence. COVID is only making this worse as social links are broken. Teen depression and suicide rates are climbing beyond comprehension. We are losing an entire generation. (Not saying typing is the reason, but digital survival might not mean what you think it does.)
For too many kids and young adults, this is not the way (https://www.meganmeierfoundation.org/statistics).
Cyber Bullying
Approximately 34% of students report experiencing cyberbullying during their lifetime (Hinduja & Patchin, 2015)
Over 60% of students who experience cyberbullying reported that it immensely impacted their ability to learn and feel safe while at school (Hinduja, 2018)
59% of U.S. teens have been bullied or harassed online, and over 90% believe it's a major problem for people their age (Pew Research Center, 2018)
Self-Harm
Targets of cyberbullying are at a greater risk than others of both self-harm and suicidal behaviors (John et al., 2018)
Approximately 18% of youth report self-harming at least once, impacting 1 in 4 girls and 1 in 10 boys (Monto, McRee, & Deryck, 2018)
About 6% of students have digitally self-harmed, or anonymously posted online or shared hurtful content about oneself (Patchin & Hinduja, 2017)
Suicide
Students who experienced bullying or cyberbullying are nearly 2 times more likely to attempt suicide (Hinduja & Patchin, 2018)
Current research suggests that suicide ideation and attempts among adolescents have nearly doubled since 2008 (Plemmons et al., 2018), making suicide is the 2nd leading cause of death for individuals 10-34 years of age (CDC, 2017)
Approximately 1 in 20 adolescents experience a suicide in single year (Andriessen, Dudley, Draper, & Mitchell, 2018)QuoteTL/DR: none of the above sources reflect the impact of COVID restrictions. Read about teen disengagement here (https://www.brookings.edu/blog/up-front/2020/10/01/teen-disengagement-is-on-the-rise/). Also, read here (https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/education/2020/12/23/students-failing-grades-online-class-coronavirus/3967886001/) about "scores of students are getting F's: what's the point of failing them during COVID-19?" They may need to type to be in the work force, but first they have to get through school.
For comparison, behold the beauty of this Sharp 10-key calculator and its wide well-positioned 0 key:And because of that you will probably agree with me, that the IBM Model F XT has the best layout ever and is certainly not "weird", how many ignorant people call it.
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This is 100% true and I agree with you completely. Let's be best friends.
As someone born in 2000, yeah, this is actually pretty accurate. Essentially born waiting for the endgame of capitalism, where there's no social mobility and the rich just keep profiting off of suffering and misery. Turning off the internet wouldn't help with the issues I faced then or the ones I face now, it would honestly magnify them and make it harder for me to talk to most of my friends or to play the games that help me escape from this damn nightmare for a bit. Previous generations had some sort of goal. The best people my age and younger have is "Survive, maybe live ok and have not-as-horrible mental health for a bit." I'm watching the end of my planet in slow motion, and there's nothing I can do to stop it because the capitalist system has intensely rewarded the rich *******s profiting off of the destruction of our home, and when there's a even a hint of the government doing something about it they vomit money at the problem until it goes away and gives them tax cuts.
So, yeah, I'd rather type well than write well, because that's my main form of communication with my friends. If I didn't have that I'd be even more isolated. Getting rid of the internet wouldn't solve any problems at this point, just make them worse.
It does make me feel a little hope for the future that at least a few of your generation can so succinctly put your finger on a few of the major problems with our society however.
It does make me feel a little hope for the future that at least a few of your generation can so succinctly put your finger on a few of the major problems with our society however.
I would peg the inflection as occurring around 1978. Reagan's Republican Party is profoundly different from the Republican Party that existed before.
For comparison, behold the beauty of this Sharp 10-key calculator and its wide well-positioned 0 key:And because of that you will probably agree with me, that the IBM Model F XT has the best layout ever and is certainly not "weird", how many ignorant people call it.
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This is 100% true and I agree with you completely. Let's be best friends.
Isn't she a beaut! So many steps it looks like a castle!
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5. The best keyboard you can buy is Microsoft Sculpt Ergonomic Desktop (https://www.amazon.com/Microsoft-Ergonomic-Wireless-Desktop-Keyboard/dp/B00CYX54C0) - split, wireless, low-profile, short spacebar, big modifiers, embedded wrist rest, tented and negative tilted out of the box. Costs around 80$-100$. Considered bad in the community because "it's not mechanical and ortholinear haha".
Typing is more important than handwriting by a factor of 1,000,000,000
Typing is more important than handwriting by a factor of 1,000,000,000
For menial office slave work I suppose.
well, HP is still highly hyped here in Asia, tbh I dont like tactile switch, linear is betterI could be wrong, but I've always thought that tactile is better for typing, and linear is better for gaming.
well, HP is still highly hyped here in Asia, tbh I dont like tactile switch, linear is betterI could be wrong, but I've always thought that tactile is better for typing, and linear is better for gaming.
i just like the bottom out sound of linear and i dont play games. I dont think that linear tactile or clicky has anything to do with games, alot of famous game streamers use tactile for games and it doesn't seem to affect their performance in-gamewell, HP is still highly hyped here in Asia, tbh I dont like tactile switch, linear is betterI could be wrong, but I've always thought that tactile is better for typing, and linear is better for gaming.
premium board does not guarantee a better experience mate, a skilled builder doeswell, HP is still highly hyped here in Asia, tbh I dont like tactile switch, linear is betterI could be wrong, but I've always thought that tactile is better for typing, and linear is better for gaming.
I've heard that too but I'm going to try linear my next build to confirm it for myself.
My opinion about this hobby: You don't need to buy expensive boards for $300+ for a great typing experience.
You could actually get a entry level or beginner board as the community puts it, mod it and have a better experience than what premium boards offer.
Case in point, recently the kbd67lite r2 was compared with Iron65, and the former proved to be thockier.
Goes to show not all premium boards are worth buying, and you really need to lurk for a while and resist the urge to buy those boards until you realize this.
Another of my observations. I believe entry level or beginner board makes anyone who starts this hobby think that their first board is never good enough.
This is not true. I've never heard explanation as to what puts some boards in the above category, but I'm guessing it's the price and material.
The funny thing is whether you have the above or premium boards, you still need the same knowledge and parts to build it.
It's not as if buying a premium board makes you learn more about building keyboards. Once you build one, you know it.
Now if you're referring to different feel and sound signature, it's the materials that make a difference.
'Premium' boards are still generally based on MX-style switches, so IMO there's a hard, and a fairly low, limit to how 'premium' the typing experience can ever get. Fancy gaskets, heavy milled cases, and rotary dials can't really compensate for the switch mechanism.
(I do wish there was some way to try the remade Model F around my neck of the woods.)
well, HP is still highly hyped here in Asia, tbh I dont like tactile switch, linear is betterI could be wrong, but I've always thought that tactile is better for typing, and linear is better for gaming.
Case in point, recently the kbd67lite r2 was compared with Iron65, and the former proved to be thockier.
Another of my observations. I believe entry level or beginner board makes anyone who starts this hobby think that their first board is never good enough.
This is not true. I've never heard explanation as to what puts some boards in the above category, but I'm guessing it's the price and material.
premium board does not guarantee a better experience mate, a skilled builder does
'Premium' boards are still generally based on MX-style switches, so IMO there's a hard, and a fairly low, limit to how 'premium' the typing experience can ever get. Fancy gaskets, heavy milled cases, and rotary dials can't really compensate for the switch mechanism.
(I do wish there was some way to try the remade Model F around my neck of the woods.)
'Premium' boards are still generally based on MX-style switches, so IMO there's a hard, and a fairly low, limit to how 'premium' the typing experience can ever get. Fancy gaskets, heavy milled cases, and rotary dials can't really compensate for the switch mechanism.
(I do wish there was some way to try the remade Model F around my neck of the woods.)
Yeah, MX-style switches are consistent, and they're what we have, but I wish there were more switches that used the same mount as MX-styles but a different mechanism. Something that leads to more inherent tactility, maybe? I don't know, I'm not an engineer, all I know is that I want my tactiles to be heavy, have a good bump you can really feel, and if I'm using clickys in something like a macro pad (where that extra feedback helps, at least for me, for knowing that the button's been pushed quickly without bottoming out for things like soundboard triggers and meme chat macros), I'm always wishing for more tactility and a deeper-sounding click than is probably possible with current designs. That's not to say MX-styles don't have their place, they certainly do, but I would love to see more varied designs. Maybe I just haven't done enough research?
Not sure if this has been said before, but:
Coiled cables (in the form you usually see them for keyboards) are useless and look super weird.
Not sure if this has been said before, but:
Coiled cables (in the form you usually see them for keyboards) are useless and look super weird.
They're definitely retro-cool, we used to have them on telefones before cordless and cel.
You're just too Non-Boomer to appreciate our Pivotal Culture.
Hard compressor hoses are still coiled.
Not sure if this has been said before, but:
Coiled cables (in the form you usually see them for keyboards) are useless and look super weird.
They're definitely retro-cool, we used to have them on telefones before cordless and cel.
You're just too Non-Boomer to appreciate our Pivotal Culture.
Hard compressor hoses are still coiled.
I'm probably too boomer rather, and want to see a coiled cable used in a way that makes sense.
There's just no point in using it on something that you barely ever move around a lot, and not coiling the entire thing anyway.
And that random coil somewhere in the middle just looks super awkward I think.
I'm probably too boomer rather, and want to see a coiled cable used in a way that makes sense.ok boomer
There's just no point in using it on something that you barely ever move around a lot, and not coiling the entire thing anyway.
And that random coil somewhere in the middle just looks super awkward I think.
Not sure if this has been said before, but:
Coiled cables (in the form you usually see them for keyboards) are useless and look super weird.
They're definitely retro-cool, we used to have them on telefones before cordless and cel.
You're just too Non-Boomer to appreciate our Pivotal Culture.
Hard compressor hoses are still coiled.
I'm probably too boomer rather, and want to see a coiled cable used in a way that makes sense.
There's just no point in using it on something that you barely ever move around a lot, and not coiling the entire thing anyway.
And that random coil somewhere in the middle just looks super awkward I think.
I'm probably too boomer rather, and want to see a coiled cable used in a way that makes sense.ok boomer
There's just no point in using it on something that you barely ever move around a lot, and not coiling the entire thing anyway.
And that random coil somewhere in the middle just looks super awkward I think.
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- Sensible
- Convenient when the kb is moved
- Looks good
One downside is that it gets caught on everything, including itself.Not on my AEK. And I like its detachability so much.
I definitely wish there were non-MX style switches with MX style mounting points.
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- Sensible
- Convenient when the kb is moved
- Looks good
One downside is that it gets caught on everything, including itself. I run my cables through the cable management holes on the OEM stands for monitors when suitable and it is a pain dealing with coils whenever I swap boards a lot. I don't think anybody cared much about cable management back then though other than keeping it from getting damaged.
(I do wish there was some way to try the remade Model F around my neck of the woods.)
Will he not even ship it directly to where you're located?
Yeah, MX-style switches are consistent, and they're what we have, but I wish there were more switches that used the same mount as MX-styles but a different mechanism. Something that leads to more inherent tactility, maybe? I don't know, I'm not an engineer, all I know is that I want my tactiles to be heavy, have a good bump you can really feel, and if I'm using clickys in something like a macro pad (where that extra feedback helps, at least for me, for knowing that the button's been pushed quickly without bottoming out for things like soundboard triggers and meme chat macros), I'm always wishing for more tactility and a deeper-sounding click than is probably possible with current designs. That's not to say MX-styles don't have their place, they certainly do, but I would love to see more varied designs. Maybe I just haven't done enough research?
I definitely wish there were non-MX style switches with MX style mounting points.
what would you like different in an mx? truly curious. in my case i've gone from searching for the holy grail to enjoying the great tools i have on my desk. same thing with hi-fi. not trying to remove that last veil of silk in front of the mic or gaining a wider soundstage to enjoying wonderful music. def does not mean i didn't spend time and money trying for a while :DI definitely wish there were non-MX style switches with MX style mounting points.
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- Sensible
- Convenient when the kb is moved
- Looks good
One downside is that it gets caught on everything, including itself. I run my cables through the cable management holes on the OEM stands for monitors when suitable and it is a pain dealing with coils whenever I swap boards a lot. I don't think anybody cared much about cable management back then though other than keeping it from getting damaged.
One solution I have used is a PS/2 extension cable that is about 6 foot long that is not coiled at all. Just in case the computer is sitting at a distance greater than the SDL cable can reach. This way, I avoid putting strain on the original cable and still have the flexibility of movement. In its simplest form, it may be primitive, but then again, you can always get an SDL to USB cable if you wish. I find my solution to be very inexpensive and it works both ways very well.
(I do wish there was some way to try the remade Model F around my neck of the woods.)
Will he not even ship it directly to where you're located?
I've not checked, I could probably get one out here one way or another, but at $400 I'd like to try it before buying. And... these days I need some degree of quiet for family reasons.
Yeah, MX-style switches are consistent, and they're what we have, but I wish there were more switches that used the same mount as MX-styles but a different mechanism. Something that leads to more inherent tactility, maybe? I don't know, I'm not an engineer, all I know is that I want my tactiles to be heavy, have a good bump you can really feel, and if I'm using clickys in something like a macro pad (where that extra feedback helps, at least for me, for knowing that the button's been pushed quickly without bottoming out for things like soundboard triggers and meme chat macros), I'm always wishing for more tactility and a deeper-sounding click than is probably possible with current designs. That's not to say MX-styles don't have their place, they certainly do, but I would love to see more varied designs. Maybe I just haven't done enough research?
We have Topre, which is my strong preference. I thought I didn't really care that much, but recently moved back to Realforce when my desk setup changed and my split keyboard cables were too short to accommodate this. Turns out that Topre beats the living daylights out of Outemu Skies (which were selected after trying a good handful of silenced tactile options) and I haven't been able to bring myself to move back (longer cables have been here for weeks now). We also have vintage options- my bucking spring experiences is what makes me want to to try an F some day. I've had Alps, which I also preferred over MX. Even good scissor switches.
MX is what we have, but MX is... such a low level of mediocrity that we are wallowing in (getting back to the thread topic). This isn't the best analogy, but it makes me think of East Germans aspiring to own Ladas. Or that old English phrase, about making a silk purse out of a pig's ear.
That said, I believe that it was Maledicted who recommended Box Jades and Navies to me last year. I did try those, and of all the MX variants I got in (of a dozen or so) they impressed me most- there were actually interesting, and not more 'run of the mill almost exactly the same as the next switch'. Unfortunately, I can't use clickies at the moment.
I enjoy spring ping.
The MK community is too apologetic this days with the 'preference' mentality, every review or video says something and quickly add 'YMMV' or "But it's preference".I’d say the opposite, what with people obsessing over stock smoothness, 63.5G springs, and flexible plates lately.
Gaining info is getting harder when almost every input is "preference"..
The MK community is too apologetic this days with the 'preference' mentality, every review or video says something and quickly add 'YMMV' or "But it's preference".
Gaining info is getting harder when almost every input is "preference"..
The MK community is too apologetic this days with the 'preference' mentality, every review or video says something and quickly add 'YMMV' or "But it's preference".
Gaining info is getting harder when almost every input is "preference"..
Its either this or gatekeeping, pick your poision
i do think that the over-apologetics are a reaction to the gatekeepers, both exist and oppose each others, one try to make everyone feel good, the other try to make everyone feel bad and leave them alone. i kinda often fall into the 1st category i think, but i'd rather be there than a gate-keeping jerk. maybe our forum have more of the apology kind but from what i hear reddit seems to have more gatekeepers, so who knows who wins overall. and youtubers often have a monetary incentive in getting the community to grow, so they are rather unlikely to fall into the gatekeeper archetype.The MK community is too apologetic this days with the 'preference' mentality, every review or video says something and quickly add 'YMMV' or "But it's preference".
Gaining info is getting harder when almost every input is "preference"..
Its either this or gatekeeping, pick your poision
- The Keychron K4 layout (I don't know what it's called) is superior to TKL. https://www.keychron.com/products/keychron-k4-wireless-mechanical-keyboard-version-2
- Backlit keys are essential.
- Coiled cables with breakaways are silly.
- Rubber domes are fine.
I'm in the 'preference' camp, but think that lots of keyboard options (switches, cases, caps) these days just suck. I don't really see any conflict with thinking both at the same time.
- Backlit keys are essential.
Why's that? No touch typing? I think backlighting is useful for a wireless HTPC keyboard that might be used at odd angles without any desk and/or need frequent use of potentially proprietary media control mappings. Otherwise, I often type in bed with a keyboard under the blanket.
- Backlit keys are essential.
Why's that? No touch typing? I think backlighting is useful for a wireless HTPC keyboard that might be used at odd angles without any desk and/or need frequent use of potentially proprietary media control mappings. Otherwise, I often type in bed with a keyboard under the blanket.
Backlit keys are good for some people. People who weren't raised on touch typing and aren't used to it, older people who need that backlight to see the keys they aren't used to using, etc. Backlighting is not only good for aesthetics, but accessibility for some people.
I learned touch typing in high school, which wasn't even a required course (and not a particularly popular elective). This was when the typewriter was dead but before computers were as ascendent as they are today. We had a computer present at home since I was a small child, although there wasn't much typing going on on it at that point since we didn't even have a modem. I don't recall whether or not it really had any sort of word processing software either. It was an old hand-me-down Macintosh Performa. I did use computers for typing relatively commonly though through all of middle school, and sometimes prior to it. There was a computer class that touched on it briefly at the start of middle school with Mavis Beacon, but not enough for any of it to have been meaningful. I remember finally being able to touch type being a breath of fresh air. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
Backlighting is obviously of utility for people who can't yet touch type. But why limit yourself forever?
I’m talking about the people commenting “preference” over every question.i do think that the over-apologetics are a reaction to the gatekeepers, both exist and oppose each others, one try to make everyone feel good, the other try to make everyone feel bad and leave them alone. i kinda often fall into the 1st category i think, but i'd rather be there than a gate-keeping jerk. maybe our forum have more of the apology kind but from what i hear reddit seems to have more gatekeepers, so who knows who wins overall. and youtubers often have a monetary incentive in getting the community to grow, so they are rather unlikely to fall into the gatekeeper archetype.The MK community is too apologetic this days with the 'preference' mentality, every review or video says something and quickly add 'YMMV' or "But it's preference".
Gaining info is getting harder when almost every input is "preference"..
Its either this or gatekeeping, pick your poision
although they are kinda right, i am a big fan of big heavy clicky boards (M122 being my current favorite) and 2 friend of mine both hate my M, one likes lite clickies and the other very lite tactile, all 3 opinions are valid.
I learned touch typing in high school, which wasn't even a required course (and not a particularly popular elective). This was when the typewriter was dead but before computers were as ascendent as they are today. We had a computer present at home since I was a small child, although there wasn't much typing going on on it at that point since we didn't even have a modem. I don't recall whether or not it really had any sort of word processing software either. It was an old hand-me-down Macintosh Performa. I did use computers for typing relatively commonly though through all of middle school, and sometimes prior to it. There was a computer class that touched on it briefly at the start of middle school with Mavis Beacon, but not enough for any of it to have been meaningful. I remember finally being able to touch type being a breath of fresh air. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
Backlighting is obviously of utility for people who can't yet touch type. But why limit yourself forever?
I'm in much of the same boat myself, but there's also the issue that some people just aren't as savvy with technology to the level most people on this forum, or most of my social circles if I'm being honest, take for granted. I'm only 20, and I know for a fact there are people my age who hunt-and-peck their emails and would rather work on a car engine than a computer or keyboard. There are people who are stubborn because "it's the way they learned to do it," or simply because bad habits are hard to break. And not every works a job where touch typing is necessary, or have hobbies or frequent places where it's useful. Not to mention all of the older individuals who only use their computers to look at Facebook, emails, and maybe watch some TV. Different people have different needs and skillsets, and not everyone needs to be able to touch type, even if it is a very versatile and useful skill.
And it's not people limiting themselves or just focusing on other things, either. There are people who have hand and wrist disabilities that affect the mobility of their fingers, making hunt-and-peck the only viable way for them to type easily, without pain, and / or at all. And that's not even counting the other types of problems that makes hunt-and-peck better for some people even if it is the slower way to type. Yes, you don't need backlights if you know how to touch type, but not every has the skill or can even acquire it. That's not to say you have to suddenly use them if you don't need them or like them, but that's no reason to write them off entirely.
My primary aged son is learning to touch type, I've thrown Mavis Beacon at him- yes, this program still exists! It's really quite good, much better than any of the free online typing tutorials. And it also works with Kinesis split boards, which is a bit odd. Even if he goes off on some career tangent that doesn't require typing, he should at least learn it during school so that it's not a barrier to his more complex learning.
It blows my mind that there are teenagers who cannot touch type, it's just such a fundamental skill, being able to translate thought to written word quickly and with minimal interruption to thinking.
Sure, there are folks who have physical hinderances, but this is a tiny minority that shouldn't sway the average. Typing today is more important than handwriting, throughout school it really should be a fundamental skill.
If you can't 125wpm, that means you haven't used the internet enough. Internet more and it'll come naturally.i'm 38 yo, i'm a backend developer, I'm on internet at least every minutes of a day, i write documents and email all day long ... 55 WPM.
And, an other unpopular opinion, i don't give a f*** about my WPM because it's not related to efficiency in work or social things.
Incorrect, I type out this pointless response 2.5x faster than you, I can waste my time more efficiently than you can.
This carries through in all other input related activity.
I type out this pointless response 2.5x faster than you,
you do not appreciate the pinky fingers of steel secretaries must have had back before non -electric typewriters
If you can't 125wpm, that means you haven't used the internet enough. Internet more and it'll come naturally.I can't type 125 words per minute. I guess I need to use the internet more.
Unless you are just copying someone else's text, raw WPM is meaningless. As long as your fingers are slightly faster than your brain, you are good. In most endeavors (creative writing, reports, coding) you can't type them in any faster than you can think them up in the first place.Agreed, I have no idea why people think that WPM is important.
Unless you are just copying someone else's text, raw WPM is meaningless. As long as your fingers are slightly faster than your brain, you are good. In most endeavors (creative writing, reports, coding) you can't type them in any faster than you can think them up in the first place.Agreed, I have no idea why people think that WPM is important.
The main thing is that if you can touch type, then the act of typing is not a constant drag on your thinking as you try to express yourself.
Custom keyboards are overrated and a waste of money.
I don't mind the shiny on the alphas but hate the shiny on other larger keys, the spacebar is the worst.
I don't mind the shiny on the alphas but hate the shiny on other larger keys, the spacebar is the worst.
Man, if you guys like shiny keys, I got a set of Cherry doubleshots for one of ya LOL
I don't understand people who mind their caps being shiny. I think it adds character, and I actually like the feel. I also leave my 80s boards mustard yellow if they happen to have yellowed that much.
-anything smaller than TKL is hipster nonsense.
-anything smaller than TKL is hipster nonsense.
There are probably too many switches on the market.
I just use doubleshot ABS SA caps. They come pre-shined and the legends won't wear, so they'll look the same forever :)
I will now forever hate this forum. :confused:
Quote-anything smaller than TKL is hipster nonsense.
I can see why a lot of people would think that, but honestly, for some software engineers, the smaller form factor makes a lot of sense. I personally use Neovim to write the vast majority of code. Neovim like some other older editors/IDEs rely a lot on navigating with your keyboard instead of a mouse. As such, you get used to navigating using h, j, k, l, etc, and other keys. This allows you to ditch arrow keys because it's actually more comfortable to keep your hands on the home row instead of moving it off to the side to use the arrow keys and other keys like page up and page down etc.
Once you get used to this, you start realizing that it's actually more comfortable to move your hand away from the home row as infrequently as possible, so people start going down to even smaller sizes like the 40% form factor. The goal is to do everything via your keyboard and ideally use the mouse as infrequently as possible.
I didn't understand this until when I first learned how to code. I was using an Apple wireless keyboard with a mouse and I would use the mouse for a lot of functions like highlighting lines of code etc. I would spend like 8 hours a day writing and reading code and after a few weeks of this, my wrist started hurting really badly.
Once I learned how to use vim controls properly, I started going down in form factor and my wrist pain went away. So, there are definitely practical reasons for liking smaller form factors.
That's a very limited use case, not that it is in any way invalid. I don't think it justifies the overall demand for tiny keyboards. The only use cases I have ever been able to think of where that made sense is specific programming scenarios, writers, and casual computer users who have no need for many hotkeys. I also use a mouse and keyboard all day every day. I used to even spend all day copying and pasting things for product pages in a website's content management system. I've never had any problems with wrist pain using random full-size keyboards. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
Do most people need keyboards with dedicated arrow keys, number pads, etc? No, not really. But there aren't a whole lot of reasons to not have them either given the flexibility lost as the result of removing them all.
Quote-anything smaller than TKL is hipster nonsense.
I can see why a lot of people would think that, but honestly, for some software engineers, the smaller form factor makes a lot of sense.........................
QuoteBut I'm not normal, so maybe it's just me ;)
Your setup is quite abnormal, to say the least, but whatever floats your boat. I couldn't imagine using your f row setup, but the nav and arrow cluster looks pretty good actually.
Similarly, I think the standard layout of the 4 basic math operators is madness: + and - next to each other with one requiring a shift but not the other, * over to the left requiring shift, and / orphaned far below nowhere near the numbers. You've no doubt learnt to use them quickly, but I'm sure you'll agree it's not exactly an ideal layout, and obviously wasn't conceived with heavy math usage in mind. Since I no longer have F keys up top, I've replaced F9 and F10 with / and *, so I now have a lovely little square cluster for /*-+. And I no longer need to press shift for +, as I've moved = to its own key in the F11 slot. In the F12 slot is a little macro I built that converts any selected string with a mathemetically calculated answer (ie. If I select 1.2*3/(4.5-6.7) it will convert it to -1.636). (yes, my current keycap mixture is a stylistic mess! - I'm working on it :D )
This is a great idea. In modern context, the location of arithmetic operators is bloody terrible. We've just adapted to it, but when I stopped to think about it, the idea of clustering them together (if you don't have a numpad) makes so much sense.
Similarly, I think the standard layout of the 4 basic math operators is madness: + and - next to each other with one requiring a shift but not the other, * over to the left requiring shift, and / orphaned far below nowhere near the numbers. You've no doubt learnt to use them quickly, but I'm sure you'll agree it's not exactly an ideal layout, and obviously wasn't conceived with heavy math usage in mind. Since I no longer have F keys up top, I've replaced F9 and F10 with / and *, so I now have a lovely little square cluster for /*-+. And I no longer need to press shift for +, as I've moved = to its own key in the F11 slot. In the F12 slot is a little macro I built that converts any selected string with a mathemetically calculated answer (ie. If I select 1.2*3/(4.5-6.7) it will convert it to -1.636). (yes, my current keycap mixture is a stylistic mess! - I'm working on it :D )
This is a great idea. In modern context, the location of arithmetic operators is bloody terrible. We've just adapted to it, but when I stopped to think about it, the idea of clustering them together (if you don't have a numpad) makes so much sense.
@volny i think this is the first justification for f-row that i can support. i really like how you've reimagined the keyboard to meet your needs. i'll likely be making some adjustments after a little more thinking. nice work, and thanks!Obviously you don't use AutoCAD! I'm constantly using F3, F8, F9.
Obviously you don't use AutoCAD! I'm constantly using F3, F8, F9.
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Only F3, F8, F9 are working.Obviously you don't use AutoCAD! I'm constantly using F3, F8, F9.
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Interesting using Tapatalk on a keyboard forum. I guess the keyboard is finished.
@volny i think this is the first justification for f-row that i can support. i really like how you've reimagined the keyboard to meet your needs. i'll likely be making some adjustments after a little more thinking. nice work, and thanks!Obviously you don't use AutoCAD! I'm constantly using F3, F8, F9.
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1.- Probably unpopular: all MX design based switch at any price point sound bad or meh at best, with a very high pitch plasticky sound and keyboards won't sound great again until manufacturers move away from the MX design an develop a new switch with way more room inside the switch in contrast to Cherry's tight housingBig ass enter key is far superior than ANSI or ISO, having space to smash is Devine, sadly no keyboard supports that without ruining the shift keys or the backspace key.
2.- There's no point of a two part cable if the keyboard already have a connector for a removable cable
3.- People spend too much time looking for switch wobble, why would it matter if there's no binding and no accidental 2 key presses. Stop complaining because something you notice when looking the keyboard at 5cm distance and pressing a key intentionally way too slow. Like stop looking for imperfections, if people would just type at full speed on the damn thing they wouldn't notice at least 70% of the things they complain about.
4.- The "mechanical" term is stupid, why don't we just differentiate keyboards by "good keyboards" and "bad keyboards"?.
5.- Most people that think they need full NKRO don't need it, keyboard manufacturers already know how consumers use their keyboard and design the matrix accordingly, and the left side of the matrix often support most of common gaming key combinations and yes, I mean even membrane boards.
6.- Rubber domes are fine and decent rubber domes have a way more pronounced tactility than many modern tactile switches
7.- A great portion of tactile switches you won't notice the tactility when typing at full speed
8.- The is no such thing as "X switches are better for gaming", when gaming people usually bottom keys very firmly and don't notice the tactile event if they are focused on the actual game.
9.- ISO is better than ANSI, the only advantage of ANSI is the key mapping because it's more convenient for programmers, but the physical distribution of keys of ISO is superior, why would you need such a large Left Shift and woud take a slim Enter over a big Enter that is way easier to find with both diagonal and horizontal pinky movement. Anyone that says ANSI is better than ISO is just wrong.
10.- Justifying pointless "competitive" keyboard marketing features (short switch stem, 1000hz polling rate, etc) because "but professional gamers need every advantage" is stupid. Stop, just stop, don't throw money where there's no real value for you.
Sorry for the long rant, needed to get that off me
1.- Probably unpopular: all MX design based switch at any price point sound bad or meh at best, with a very high pitch plasticky sound and keyboards won't sound great again until manufacturers move away from the MX design an develop a new switch with way more room inside the switch in contrast to Cherry's tight housingBig ass enter key is far superior than ANSI or ISO, having space to smash is Devine, sadly no keyboard supports that without ruining the shift keys or the backspace key.
2.- There's no point of a two part cable if the keyboard already have a connector for a removable cable
3.- People spend too much time looking for switch wobble, why would it matter if there's no binding and no accidental 2 key presses. Stop complaining because something you notice when looking the keyboard at 5cm distance and pressing a key intentionally way too slow. Like stop looking for imperfections, if people would just type at full speed on the damn thing they wouldn't notice at least 70% of the things they complain about.
4.- The "mechanical" term is stupid, why don't we just differentiate keyboards by "good keyboards" and "bad keyboards"?.
5.- Most people that think they need full NKRO don't need it, keyboard manufacturers already know how consumers use their keyboard and design the matrix accordingly, and the left side of the matrix often support most of common gaming key combinations and yes, I mean even membrane boards.
6.- Rubber domes are fine and decent rubber domes have a way more pronounced tactility than many modern tactile switches
7.- A great portion of tactile switches you won't notice the tactility when typing at full speed
8.- The is no such thing as "X switches are better for gaming", when gaming people usually bottom keys very firmly and don't notice the tactile event if they are focused on the actual game.
9.- ISO is better than ANSI, the only advantage of ANSI is the key mapping because it's more convenient for programmers, but the physical distribution of keys of ISO is superior, why would you need such a large Left Shift and woud take a slim Enter over a big Enter that is way easier to find with both diagonal and horizontal pinky movement. Anyone that says ANSI is better than ISO is just wrong.
10.- Justifying pointless "competitive" keyboard marketing features (short switch stem, 1000hz polling rate, etc) because "but professional gamers need every advantage" is stupid. Stop, just stop, don't throw money where there's no real value for you.
Sorry for the long rant, needed to get that off me
sadly no keyboard supports that without ruining the shift keys or the backspace key.
Obviously you don't use AutoCAD! I'm constantly using F3, F8, F9.
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Interesting using Tapatalk on a keyboard forum. I guess the keyboard is finished.
1.- Probably unpopular: all MX design based switch at any price point sound bad or meh at best, with a very high pitch plasticky sound and keyboards won't sound great again until manufacturers move away from the MX design an develop a new switch with way more room inside the switch in contrast to Cherry's tight housing
2.- There's no point of a two part cable if the keyboard already have a connector for a removable cable
3.- People spend too much time looking for switch wobble, why would it matter if there's no binding and no accidental 2 key presses. Stop complaining because something you notice when looking the keyboard at 5cm distance and pressing a key intentionally way too slow. Like stop looking for imperfections, if people would just type at full speed on the damn thing they wouldn't notice at least 70% of the things they complain about.
4.- The "mechanical" term is stupid, why don't we just differentiate keyboards by "good keyboards" and "bad keyboards"?.
5.- Most people that think they need full NKRO don't need it, keyboard manufacturers already know how consumers use their keyboard and design the matrix accordingly, and the left side of the matrix often support most of common gaming key combinations and yes, I mean even membrane boards.
6.- Rubber domes are fine and decent rubber domes have a way more pronounced tactility than many modern tactile switches
7.- A great portion of tactile switches you won't notice the tactility when typing at full speed
8.- The is no such thing as "X switches are better for gaming", when gaming people usually bottom keys very firmly and don't notice the tactile event if they are focused on the actual game.
9.- ISO is better than ANSI, the only advantage of ANSI is the key mapping because it's more convenient for programmers, but the physical distribution of keys of ISO is superior, why would you need such a large Left Shift and woud take a slim Enter over a big Enter that is way easier to find with both diagonal and horizontal pinky movement. Anyone that says ANSI is better than ISO is just wrong.
10.- Justifying pointless "competitive" keyboard marketing features (short switch stem, 1000hz polling rate, etc) because "but professional gamers need every advantage" is stupid. Stop, just stop, don't throw money where there's no real value for you.
Sorry for the long rant, needed to get that off me
Sadly I haven't tried Big Ass Enter in a mechanical keyboard, I bet it's epic and great to use
Yeah that's why I made a makeshift big ass enter key (I'll call it BAEK) on my 60%, I ordered a BAEK meant for a steelseries KB, cut off the extra weird pin and glued a stem to have it sit on the \| switch for support, it isn't perfect, I gotta tune it more, but BAEK is miles better than ANSI or the ISO layout.
sadly no keyboard supports that without ruining the shift keys or the backspace key.
Yes, thank you. I was never able to articulate it properly. But since your evaluation is accurate, standard-ANSI is the only viable layout for me.
Experience and experimentation have shown me that I typically use the right side of the Left Shift, the right side of Right Shift, and the left side of Backspace.
Sadly I haven't tried Big Ass Enter in a mechanical keyboard, I bet it's epic and great to useThe space to smash it really convinient, I found myself hitting the \| key often.
Check out the Zowie Celeritas, yeah it sacrifies a bit of RShift but still wide enough and with 2u backspace: https://zowie.benq.com/en-ap/product/keyboard/keyboard/celeritas-ii.html
1.- Probably unpopular: all MX design based switch at any price point sound bad or meh at best, with a very high pitch plasticky sound and keyboards won't sound great again until manufacturers move away from the MX design an develop a new switch with way more room inside the switch in contrast to Cherry's tight housing
Agreed. MX has run its course.
Quote1.- Probably unpopular: all MX design based switch at any price point sound bad or meh at best, with a very high pitch plasticky sound and keyboards won't sound great again until manufacturers move away from the MX design an develop a new switch with way more room inside the switch in contrast to Cherry's tight housing
Agreed. MX has run its course.
And the level of refinement they got with the MX design is impressive, imagine if all those efforts go for example on a Matias switch, we could get a really impressive simplified alps switch, or any design really.
And the level of refinement they got with the MX design is impressive, imagine if all those efforts go for example on a Matias switch, we could get a really impressive simplified alps switch, or any design really.
The MX design is after all a compatibility thing. Designing and implementing a completely new switch would invalidate the huge amounts of keycaps available new and used, as well as PCBs (and PCB designs). The refinement that is giving us Zeal switches and Wilba PCBs whilst still maintaining compatibility far outweighs any new switch design in terms of convenience and usability.
What would a new switch design bring that would off-set the above disadvantages? I'm genuinely curious.
Quote1.- Probably unpopular: all MX design based switch at any price point sound bad or meh at best, with a very high pitch plasticky sound and keyboards won't sound great again until manufacturers move away from the MX design an develop a new switch with way more room inside the switch in contrast to Cherry's tight housing
Agreed. MX has run its course.
And the level of refinement they got with the MX design is impressive, imagine if all those efforts go for example on a Matias switch, we could get a really impressive simplified alps switch, or any design really.
The MX design is after all a compatibility thing. Designing and implementing a completely new switch would invalidate the huge amounts of keycaps available new and used, as well as PCBs (and PCB designs). The refinement that is giving us Zeal switches and Wilba PCBs whilst still maintaining compatibility far outweighs any new switch design in terms of convenience and usability.
What would a new switch design bring that would off-set the above disadvantages? I'm genuinely curious.
The only sharp tactile MX compatible switches are Kailh Box clicky switches, but they made it by implementing the click bar, (btw I love how Kailh is always experimenting new concept and bringing innovation to this market with box switches, kailh notebook switches, choc and other stuff)
Obviously you don't use AutoCAD! I'm constantly using F3, F8, F9.
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Interesting using Tapatalk on a keyboard forum. I guess the keyboard is finished.
I don't use left shift at all............
Obviously you don't use AutoCAD! I'm constantly using F3, F8, F9.
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Interesting using Tapatalk on a keyboard forum. I guess the keyboard is finished.
Hah. I've been spending 10+ hours a day, 7 days a week lately in front of a PC due to work... and no I often don't have time to take a break and check forums. Sometimes the only time I get to check forums is either last thing before I go to sleep in bed or on the couch because I've sacrificed sleep for hockey or something like that.
I don't use left shift at all............
Not even when you "Save As..."? Or crouch/sprint/prone/etc. in a game?
Gonna be real here and say that getting mad at Glorious for reposting a GMMK Pro with cloned Olivia keycaps is silly, especially when you consider that it’s just a colorway, the colors aren’t even 1:1 to the original, it’s made out of different materials with different legends, most of the popular group buy sets for years were just vintage clones, and GMK Olivia isn’t even something you can just buy.
The community is quick to chase down “bootlegs”, but the water those bootlegs are in is so murky that it’s hard to even know where they stand.
I don't know why anybody would ever care, other than actually encouraging "bootlegs" because it introduces competition, which motivates competitors to both reduce prices and make improvements to outpace their rivals.Nicely said, with all the "bootlegs" coming out and the multiple manus making the same copies, some of them have gotten so good for the price I may as well get the fake.
To the "bootleg" thing with GMK keycaps, here's my unpopular opinion:
They aren't bootlegs/clones/knockoffs/copies at all. To call them one of those is to assume that these low-cost sets are just cheaper versions of the same GMK sets. However, this argument incorrectly assumes that the original GMK set and the low-cost version are interchangeable and therefore hurt the original designers. In fact, the low-cost sets are distinct products for one very importance reason: ABS vs. PBT. The fact that these low-cost sets are run on PBT, to me, makes them something that was not offered previously; something new that stands on its own. I personally do not like ABS and would never buy a GMK set because they are ABS. Nothing about the existence of these low-cost PBT sets is causing me to not buy the GMK set because I wouldn't buy the GMK set in the first place. It's the designers that are ignoring running their sets on cherry profile PBT that is the main deterrent. Some designers re-run colorways on KAT, SA, DSA, etc. but still ignore cherry profile PBT. If someone else is going to do it, I will support those people instead.
To the "bootleg" thing with GMK keycaps, here's my unpopular opinion:
They aren't bootlegs/clones/knockoffs/copies at all. To call them one of those is to assume that these low-cost sets are just cheaper versions of the same GMK sets. However, this argument incorrectly assumes that the original GMK set and the low-cost version are interchangeable and therefore hurt the original designers. In fact, the low-cost sets are distinct products for one very importance reason: ABS vs. PBT. The fact that these low-cost sets are run on PBT, to me, makes them something that was not offered previously; something new that stands on its own. I personally do not like ABS and would never buy a GMK set because they are ABS. Nothing about the existence of these low-cost PBT sets is causing me to not buy the GMK set because I wouldn't buy the GMK set in the first place. It's the designers that are ignoring running their sets on cherry profile PBT that is the main deterrent. Some designers re-run colorways on KAT, SA, DSA, etc. but still ignore cherry profile PBT. If someone else is going to do it, I will support those people instead.
This opinion is more confusing than unpopular.
I think I mentioned that I use left shift in games, since that's the only thing that makes sense in that scenario. When normally typing, I only use the right shift key.
I don't really work in documents that are saved offline at all anymore. The school district I work in uses Google Docs, so everything is saved automatically. I do use the left shift for the exact same hotkey to take screenshots in Firefox, however.
Where the logic probably fails is that not everyone will be so passionately against ABS that they'd never consider buying it.
Ah yes, you did. The other hotkey I suspect you might be likely to use a lot is Lctrl-Lshift-Z for Redo. (Yes, some programs use Ctrl-Y for Redo, but not for long, because developers who force their customers to do Ctrl-Y for redo will be the first against the wall when the revolution comes).
I myself use a few programs with a gazillion features that I need to frequently access (eg. Photoshop), so I probably use Lshift in two dozen different shortcuts. Often I end up mapping things to Ctrl-Alt-Shift-[letter] because it's just easier to remember to press all the modifiers than trying to remember whether it's Ctrl-Alt or Shift-Ctrl or Shift-Alt (and single-modifier shortcuts are taken already) :D I don't even know which shift I use when typing, but for me typing isn't even the main function of a keyboard (probably another unpopular opinion!). I use my keyboard non-stop all day, and only a little of that is bona fide 'typing' (ie. composing long strings of prose). I suspect many people would be similar to me, even if they don't tend to think of their keyboard in that way.
Where the logic probably fails is that not everyone will be so passionately against ABS that they'd never consider buying it.
Isn't that the point of this thread though? Unpopular keyboard opinions
Where the logic probably fails is that not everyone will be so passionately against ABS that they'd never consider buying it.
Isn't that the point of this thread though? Unpopular keyboard opinions
other reasons to be against abs: the primary vendor has ridiculously long production times, prices significantly higher than alternatives, (recently) poor quality control, and "gatekeeper" approach for colorways with no clear/defined ownership. there are plenty of reasons to be "passionately against abs," assuming you don't mind key shine and the slippery feel.
Where the logic probably fails is that not everyone will be so passionately against ABS that they'd never consider buying it.
Isn't that the point of this thread though? Unpopular keyboard opinions
I just don't like GMK all that much.
The caps look really nice, but on they made the two keyboards I've put them on feel worse.
I just don't like GMK all that much.
The caps look really nice, but on they made the two keyboards I've put them on feel worse.
Hrrrmr.....hmrrmr... Check the smoothness of the cap stem. maybe that's why.
I just don't like GMK all that much.
The caps look really nice, but on they made the two keyboards I've put them on feel worse.
Hrrrmr.....hmrrmr... Check the smoothness of the cap stem. maybe that's why.
Far as I can tell, they seem to have slightly more mass than cheap PBT, so they affect the feel of the stroke.
I just don't like GMK all that much.
The caps look really nice, but on they made the two keyboards I've put them on feel worse.
Hrrrmr.....hmrrmr... Check the smoothness of the cap stem. maybe that's why.
Far as I can tell, they seem to have slightly more mass than cheap PBT, so they affect the feel of the stroke.
I can concur with this. Particularly the white on black. However, my experience is based on OG Cherry caps, therefore, I really cannot tell if it happens with GMK's.
1.- Probably unpopular: all MX design based switch at any price point sound bad or meh at best, with a very high pitch plasticky sound and keyboards won't sound great again until manufacturers move away from the MX design an develop a new switch with way more room inside the switch in contrast to Cherry's tight housing
2.- There's no point of a two part cable if the keyboard already have a connector for a removable cable
3.- People spend too much time looking for switch wobble, why would it matter if there's no binding and no accidental 2 key presses. Stop complaining because something you notice when looking the keyboard at 5cm distance and pressing a key intentionally way too slow. Like stop looking for imperfections, if people would just type at full speed on the damn thing they wouldn't notice at least 70% of the things they complain about.
4.- The "mechanical" term is stupid, why don't we just differentiate keyboards by "good keyboards" and "bad keyboards"?.
5.- Most people that think they need full NKRO don't need it, keyboard manufacturers already know how consumers use their keyboard and design the matrix accordingly, and the left side of the matrix often support most of common gaming key combinations and yes, I mean even membrane boards.
6.- Rubber domes are fine and decent rubber domes have a way more pronounced tactility than many modern tactile switches
7.- A great portion of tactile switches you won't notice the tactility when typing at full speed
8.- The is no such thing as "X switches are better for gaming", when gaming people usually bottom keys very firmly and don't notice the tactile event if they are focused on the actual game.
9.- ISO is better than ANSI, the only advantage of ANSI is the key mapping because it's more convenient for programmers, but the physical distribution of keys of ISO is superior, why would you need such a large Left Shift and woud take a slim Enter over a big Enter that is way easier to find with both diagonal and horizontal pinky movement. Anyone that says ANSI is better than ISO is just wrong.
10.- Justifying pointless "competitive" keyboard marketing features (short switch stem, 1000hz polling rate, etc) because "but professional gamers need every advantage" is stupid. Stop, just stop, don't throw money where there's no real value for you.
Sorry for the long rant, needed to get that off me
I don't think this can be overstated. Kaihua and Gaote seem to be the underdog superstars of the current market in my mind. They keep trying new things, and they seem to at least come up with good results more times than they fail to do so, even when few people seem to notice.Kaihua is the real MVP of the MK community this days
I just don't like GMK all that much.
The caps look really nice, but on they made the two keyboards I've put them on feel worse.
Hrrrmr.....hmrrmr... Check the smoothness of the cap stem. maybe that's why.
Far as I can tell, they seem to have slightly more mass than cheap PBT, so they affect the feel of the stroke.
I can concur with this. Particularly the white on black. However, my experience is based on OG Cherry caps, therefore, I really cannot tell if it happens with GMK's.
Increasing spring by 10g should fix that.
To the "bootleg" thing with GMK keycaps, here's my unpopular opinion:I agree with this post. I sadly learned really quickly after putting a near new set of Cherry white on black doubleshots on a keyboard the difference between ABS and PBT. The former were destroyed in about a year, not only completely shiny which might have been OK, but the keys I hit with my pinky actually have grooves in them from my fingernails (the way I hit them, it's unavoidable even if they're trimmed close, and my nails are very hard and fast growing.) The Imsto PBTs that I replaced them with are still on that board 10 years later. so I too am in the PBT or nothing camp, although I haven't tried a set of POM. Are those even made anymore?
They aren't bootlegs/clones/knockoffs/copies at all. To call them one of those is to assume that these low-cost sets are just cheaper versions of the same GMK sets. However, this argument incorrectly assumes that the original GMK set and the low-cost version are interchangeable and therefore hurt the original designers. In fact, the low-cost sets are distinct products for one very importance reason: ABS vs. PBT. The fact that these low-cost sets are run on PBT, to me, makes them something that was not offered previously; something new that stands on its own. I personally do not like ABS and would never buy a GMK set because they are ABS. Nothing about the existence of these low-cost PBT sets is causing me to not buy the GMK set because I wouldn't buy the GMK set in the first place. It's the designers that are ignoring running their sets on cherry profile PBT that is the main deterrent. Some designers re-run colorways on KAT, SA, DSA, etc. but still ignore cherry profile PBT. If someone else is going to do it, I will support those people instead.
1.- Probably unpopular: all MX design based switch at any price point sound bad or meh at best, with a very high pitch plasticky sound and keyboards won't sound great again until manufacturers move away from the MX design an develop a new switch with way more room inside the switch in contrast to Cherry's tight housing
6.- Rubber domes are fine and decent rubber domes have a way more pronounced tactility than many modern tactile switches
8.- The is no such thing as "X switches are better for gaming", when gaming people usually bottom keys very firmly and don't notice the tactile event if they are focused on the actual game.
9.- ISO is better than ANSI, the only advantage of ANSI is the key mapping because it's more convenient for programmers, but the physical distribution of keys of ISO is superior, why would you need such a large Left Shift and woud take a slim Enter over a big Enter that is way easier to find with both diagonal and horizontal pinky movement. Anyone that says ANSI is better than ISO is just wrong.
All keyboards are stupid.An extreme opinion, but utterly unassailable.
Did I win the thread? ;)
my fingers slip terribly on worn ABS caps. Plus shiny caps are awful as they look like someone with greasy hands used the keyboard
I'm heavy handed and my fingers slip terribly on worn ABS caps. Plus shiny caps are awful as they look like someone with greasy hands used the keyboard...
Why use a Win Key Less board on a Windows PC? You're missing out on some great shortcuts.
Linear switches are boring. Tactile or clicky are where it's at, but it can't be any old tactile or clicky switch. I'm a big fan of Kailh's BOX switches with heavier springs.
All keyboards are stupid.An extreme opinion, but utterly unassailable.
Did I win the thread? ;)
11.- Rubber domes are reliable as hell, I've never seen a rubber dome keyboard fail, with the exception of liquid spill or failing usb cable, which can kill any keyboard and of course you heard more stories of it happening in a rubber done keyboard since most computer uses them, more samples, higher amount of specific results. Like seriously, worst case scenario sometimes the traces in the membrane starts failing because of oxidation but that thing takes at least a decade in a normal environment, if it happens at all. Meanwhile you can see thousands of post about a failing discrete switch which is the minority of keyboards.
but can you put gmk and thousands of bucks of artisans on a normal rubber dome (cheap dell 5 dollar ones)
11.- Rubber domes are reliable as hell, I've never seen a rubber dome keyboard fail, with the exception of liquid spill or failing usb cable, which can kill any keyboard and of course you heard more stories of it happening in a rubber done keyboard since most computer uses them, more samples, higher amount of specific results. Like seriously, worst case scenario sometimes the traces in the membrane starts failing because of oxidation but that thing takes at least a decade in a normal environment, if it happens at all. Meanwhile you can see thousands of post about a failing discrete switch which is the minority of keyboards.
Well yes, cheap board designed to save cost last forever bs
but can you put gmk and thousands of bucks of artisans on a normal rubber dome (cheap dell 5 dollar ones)
big ass enter>iso>ansi (not an unpopular opinion just thought I should mention cause its true)
jwk durock recolors are THE biggest scam by keyboard manufacturers to date.
silent switches can feel better then non-silent, if the bottom out feels soft instead of mushy
mech markets are a scam, except when it comes to trading.
salmon alps aren't that good
black alps aren't that good
skcm cream alps aren't that good
all my opinion don't get mad pls ;D
Touch screen typing is horrible, though sometimes a necessary evil. Laptop keyboards on the other hand are an unnecessary evil as far as I'm concerned. I've never met a laptop I didn't hate using, and that includes my own.
black alps aren't that good
Touch screen typing is horrible, though sometimes a necessary evil. Laptop keyboards on the other hand are an unnecessary evil as far as I'm concerned. I've never met a laptop I didn't hate using, and that includes my own.
This. This x1000. I used laptops for YEARS because I needed portability, since I had to constantly move apartments thanks to my parent's job, and because it was more convenient for my extra curriculars in school, such as the robotics club (which I needed that computer for). It was always laptop keyboards or rubber domes for me, until I bought my first macropad because it was what I could afford that was mechanical and I wanted it for playing games on something that felt better than a laptop keyboard and could also put silly chat binds on. Since then I have always loved my click-clackin' mechanicals, and you would have to pay me a substantial amount to go back for even a month to laptop keyboards.
I understand why laptop keyboards are the way they are, but the tiny travel and minimal response while typing just feels absolutely awful, and I would rather have a chunkier laptop with a keyboard that feels at least halfway decent over a paper-thin thing with something that barely amounts to a keyboard at all. One of the reason I can't stand Mac computers in general, all of the keyboards they come with are just absolutely awful.
And I definitely agree that the terrible-ness of laptop keyboards is entirely unnecessary. A bit thicker, and viola, something that feels at least ok, even if it's not necessarily great. Or, if you have to use a laptop with a bad keyboard, you can build a travel-sized mechanical keeb to take with you for when you use the laptop. Either option works, but if they could just include better keyboards with decent typing feel on more modern laptops I would hate them much less, though I would still have a lot of issues with using laptops for anything outside of necessary job stuff on the go. Except for maybe 2-in-1s that can be used with styluses, like the Surface. I could use that to keep working on my digital art until I feel it's something presentable.
black alps aren't that good
I think that's the accepted conventional wisdom. I think they get more hate than they deserve. I'll take them over anything MX I have tried.
there's a really unpopular opinion: laptops are too thin. agreed, if the only criterion is the keyboard. there are, however, also the considerations of weight and available space in a bag for those of us who (used to) travel a bit.
the tiny travel and minimal response
I'm also the kind of guy that won't touch a phone with no 3.5mm headphone jack, micro SD card slot and removable battery though either.
I'm also the kind of guy that won't touch a phone with no 3.5mm headphone jack, micro SD card slot and removable battery though either.
I would like to have that, but do they still make them that way?
unless they are made of a particularly special material, IE c^3 tangerines, it is a scam. if they say they use a "different mold" its just the logo on the switch. the markup is insane compared to stock durock, for no extra smoothness. some jwk recolors, even if they do use "different materials" :rolleyes: there are straight up clones, OF THOSE CLONES, take for example muave vs lilac linears. exact same.big ass enter>iso>ansi (not an unpopular opinion just thought I should mention cause its true)
jwk durock recolors are THE biggest scam by keyboard manufacturers to date.
silent switches can feel better then non-silent, if the bottom out feels soft instead of mushy
mech markets are a scam, except when it comes to trading.
salmon alps aren't that good
black alps aren't that good
skcm cream alps aren't that good
all my opinion don't get mad pls ;D
What’s wrong with the JWK recolors?
just my opinion :p I am very biased, tactiles are my least favorite switch type by far. I do know that you can make damn good linears out of black alps, and those aren't anything to sleep on. simply talking stock (restored for sure, but otherwise stock) switches here.black alps aren't that good
I think that's the accepted conventional wisdom. I think they get more hate than they deserve. I'll take them over anything MX I have tried.Touch screen typing is horrible, though sometimes a necessary evil. Laptop keyboards on the other hand are an unnecessary evil as far as I'm concerned. I've never met a laptop I didn't hate using, and that includes my own.
This. This x1000. I used laptops for YEARS because I needed portability, since I had to constantly move apartments thanks to my parent's job, and because it was more convenient for my extra curriculars in school, such as the robotics club (which I needed that computer for). It was always laptop keyboards or rubber domes for me, until I bought my first macropad because it was what I could afford that was mechanical and I wanted it for playing games on something that felt better than a laptop keyboard and could also put silly chat binds on. Since then I have always loved my click-clackin' mechanicals, and you would have to pay me a substantial amount to go back for even a month to laptop keyboards.
I understand why laptop keyboards are the way they are, but the tiny travel and minimal response while typing just feels absolutely awful, and I would rather have a chunkier laptop with a keyboard that feels at least halfway decent over a paper-thin thing with something that barely amounts to a keyboard at all. One of the reason I can't stand Mac computers in general, all of the keyboards they come with are just absolutely awful.
And I definitely agree that the terrible-ness of laptop keyboards is entirely unnecessary. A bit thicker, and viola, something that feels at least ok, even if it's not necessarily great. Or, if you have to use a laptop with a bad keyboard, you can build a travel-sized mechanical keeb to take with you for when you use the laptop. Either option works, but if they could just include better keyboards with decent typing feel on more modern laptops I would hate them much less, though I would still have a lot of issues with using laptops for anything outside of necessary job stuff on the go. Except for maybe 2-in-1s that can be used with styluses, like the Surface. I could use that to keep working on my digital art until I feel it's something presentable.
Laptop keyboards used to be decent, even for what they are. Modern laptops are too thin. There's no reason for them to be razor thin. They should be thick enough for both a mechanical keyboard and for more powerful and/or configurable hardware with better cooling. Outside of cheap Atom and Celeron systems, there should not be BGA CPUs that cannot be upgraded without specialized tools, or a lack of DIMM slots for memory upgrades, or any reliance on EMMC without the option for SATA or PCIe storage.
I'm also the kind of guy that won't touch a phone with no 3.5mm headphone jack, micro SD card slot and removable battery though either.
there's a really unpopular opinion: laptops are too thin. agreed, if the only criterion is the keyboard. there are, however, also the considerations of weight and available space in a bag for those of us who (used to) travel a bit.
I carry a 17" gaming laptop to and from my friend's house. I don't store a laptop in a shared bag with other items where the screen could be damaged due to localized pressure. Laptops should have their own dedicated bags either way, and even the heaviest of laptops made in the last 20 years (besides maybe Panasonic Toughbooks, etc) really aren't all that heavy.
there's a really unpopular opinion: laptops are too thin. agreed, if the only criterion is the keyboard. there are, however, also the considerations of weight and available space in a bag for those of us who (used to) travel a bit.
I carry a 17" gaming laptop to and from my friend's house. I don't store a laptop in a shared bag with other items where the screen could be damaged due to localized pressure. Laptops should have their own dedicated bags either way, and even the heaviest of laptops made in the last 20 years (besides maybe Panasonic Toughbooks, etc) really aren't all that heavy.
Agree with Maledicted here. My first laptop was a chunky, Windows Vista rocking HP Pavilion. Damn thing had a full DVD / CD drive built in, and was damn beefy compared to modern laptops. My only complaint would be the OS on it, because Vista is a damn nightmare, but since I got the hard drive fully wiped down to the BIOS I'm thinking of putting XP on it if I can make it work with the drivers and all that. Otherwise I'll build a different machine to do older PC games on, because I'd be fine recycling that old POS if it turns out I can't do anything with it.
But honestly modern stuff should look a bit more into the past for some ideas. Chunkier design isn't always a bad thing. Now, if you have a bag that can only be a certain weight because you're going on a flight or something like that, I get it. Carry all of the lighter stuff you can. But there is no reason that it needs to be the norm for every laptop to be incredibly thin when you could easily make more rugged designs with better durability, heat management, keyboards, and even specs and upgradability than the current slew of designs that feel fragile enough most times to feel like you could break them by moving your bag wrong unless you treat them like they're made entirely out of glass.
there's a really unpopular opinion: laptops are too thin. agreed, if the only criterion is the keyboard. there are, however, also the considerations of weight and available space in a bag for those of us who (used to) travel a bit.
I carry a 17" gaming laptop to and from my friend's house. I don't store a laptop in a shared bag with other items where the screen could be damaged due to localized pressure. Laptops should have their own dedicated bags either way, and even the heaviest of laptops made in the last 20 years (besides maybe Panasonic Toughbooks, etc) really aren't all that heavy.
Agree with Maledicted here. My first laptop was a chunky, Windows Vista rocking HP Pavilion. Damn thing had a full DVD / CD drive built in, and was damn beefy compared to modern laptops. My only complaint would be the OS on it, because Vista is a damn nightmare, but since I got the hard drive fully wiped down to the BIOS I'm thinking of putting XP on it if I can make it work with the drivers and all that. Otherwise I'll build a different machine to do older PC games on, because I'd be fine recycling that old POS if it turns out I can't do anything with it.
But honestly modern stuff should look a bit more into the past for some ideas. Chunkier design isn't always a bad thing. Now, if you have a bag that can only be a certain weight because you're going on a flight or something like that, I get it. Carry all of the lighter stuff you can. But there is no reason that it needs to be the norm for every laptop to be incredibly thin when you could easily make more rugged designs with better durability, heat management, keyboards, and even specs and upgradability than the current slew of designs that feel fragile enough most times to feel like you could break them by moving your bag wrong unless you treat them like they're made entirely out of glass.
Laptop keyboards used to be decent, even for what they are. Modern laptops are too thin. There's no reason for them to be razor thin. They should be thick enough for both a mechanical keyboard and for more powerful and/or configurable hardware with better cooling. Outside of cheap Atom and Celeron systems, there should not be BGA CPUs that cannot be upgraded without specialized tools, or a lack of DIMM slots for memory upgrades, or any reliance on EMMC without the option for SATA or PCIe storage.
I'm also the kind of guy that won't touch a phone with no 3.5mm headphone jack, micro SD card slot and removable battery though either.
The original Macbook Air in some ways was a real curse. Like you really need to stick a laptop in an envelope?Agreed, although now, the og macbook would probably be considered kinda thick now. Although I really hated the weird ass cheese wedge shape that I think it had as well as it being very very hot.
I don't need to stick a laptop beside my other envelopes and carry it like paper in a briefcase most of the time, it's impractical.
If they had just focused on weight reduction, while keeping thickness reasonable, it would have been fine. Same footprint on a desk/tray.
Having 'slim/light' internals in a thicker case would allow much more space for repairability and cooling, two major problems today. Form over function has gone too far with laptops, and it's caused a keyboard apocalypse. Even Thinkpads down to 1.5mm travel instead of 1.8mm, and it used to be higher than that.
Truth is, if you have good industrial design, a case 2-3x thicker than an ultrabook can be made to look compact, good, and modern.
Agreed, although now, the og macbook would probably be considered kinda thick now. Although I really hated the weird ass cheese wedge shape that I think it had as well as it being very very hot.
12.- There should be a way to buy quality discrete rubber domes for a fair price, I would gladly pay $10 for a pack of 110 new NMB level rubber domes.
These things are made by millions, how is it that nobody sells them at non bulk quantities and I'm not interested in topre style rubber domes, those are way too expensive.
Yeah, Thinkpad keyboards have really gone downhill too. Ten years ago they were better, and fifteen they were good.
Agreed, although now, the og macbook would probably be considered kinda thick now. Although I really hated the weird ass cheese wedge shape that I think it had as well as it being very very hot.
Wasn't the original Macbook the one that was so bad at heat management that the exhaust fans would blow hot air directly onto the glue holding the 2 parts of the monitor together, melting the glue and ruining your monitor? Or was that a later one? Honestly don't remember.12.- There should be a way to buy quality discrete rubber domes for a fair price, I would gladly pay $10 for a pack of 110 new NMB level rubber domes.
These things are made by millions, how is it that nobody sells them at non bulk quantities and I'm not interested in topre style rubber domes, those are way too expensive.
I think the problem with that is the way that rubber domes / membranes work compared to mechanical switches. It's not separate things with a membrane, it's one capacitive whole with a mat of rubber domes laid over. So the only way to build or repair most membrane keyboards is to go out of your way to get replacement parts for the whole over getting individual switches, not to mention the different way the keycaps are mounted compared to mechanicals. It just isn't practical to sell those parts unless you're selling them to a manufacturer or something like that because almost no one is going to want to open up their $15 keyboard to fix messed up domes or a bad membrane when they could just recycle the thing and pay another $15 for the same keyboard, and the enthusiasts are so much more obsessed with topre or mechanicals that selling the stuff to make or repair a membrane keyboard on their own would be selling product to a small percentage of an already fairly small community and likely wouldn't justify the extra marketing, packaging, or manufacturing costs compared to just shipping out the membrane keebs themselves and letting any interested enthusiasts just tear them apart if they really want something from the internals.
12.- There should be a way to buy quality discrete rubber domes for a fair price, I would gladly pay $10 for a pack of 110 new NMB level rubber domes.if i recall correctly alps tried the discreet rubber dome switch thing, but from chyros's review they were pretty bad, soo maybe do not go to buy some right now.
These things are made by millions, how is it that nobody sells them at non bulk quantities and I'm not interested in topre style rubber domes, those are way too expensive.
And yes, Mac keyboards are terrible, but not as terrible as their mice! You've really done a number on your customers when they accept dragging a symmetrical, unergonomic rock with only one button and no wheel around a desk as desirable. How that company became associated with good design in the public imagination is a real failure of the public imagination. Their OS has some idiotic design decisions in it too. I worked as a graphic designer for many years, surrounded by Macs, and I was the only one in the office who refused to use any of the Mac peripherals. Though I'll admit that when I opened up one of the Macs one day to check some faulty RAM, it almost took my breath away. Compared to the ugly and haphazard mess inside most PCs, the inside of the Mac was almost like a work of art. Apple certainly know how to do form well. Just not necessarily function.
13.- PCB mounted Costar stabilizers should be a thing
I hate everything about that company, including their aesthetic tastes (with a few exceptions). It is like they intentionally try to make everything as useless/lacking in user-friendliness as possible but convince everyone that they're the most user-friendly option somehow anyway ... as a joke, and then charge you an extra 50% for the Apple logo and infuriating ecosystem on top of it.
I hate everything about that company, including their aesthetic tastes (with a few exceptions). It is like they intentionally try to make everything as useless/lacking in user-friendliness as possible but convince everyone that they're the most user-friendly option somehow anyway ... as a joke, and then charge you an extra 50% for the Apple logo and infuriating ecosystem on top of it.
I agree with a lot here. And I could kinda deal with that if it weren't for 2 things: The elitism associated with their damn products (you would not believe how much bs I've gotten from Apple fans for daring to use an Android phone. Not even kidding), and the fact that they actively lobby against Right to Repair laws. They actively push to make it so that the only way to get an Apple product repaired legally is to take it to an Apple store. It's literally the same as saying that if you were to take your new car to a third-party mechanic to get an oil change, and you lost your warranty and all that because you didn't take it to the dealership you bought it from, who would've told you to buy a new car instead claiming it as the cheaper option. That's not even a big exaggeration. I know someone who was told that since their display wasn't working on their Macbook the Apple employees told them just to buy a new Macbook for a massive amount of money... And when they asked a third-party technician they knew, the issue was a loose backlight cable. An issue so trivial to fix that the technician told them they wouldn't charge them for the repair, because it was 5 minutes to diagnose the issue, open up the laptop, and get one loose cable plugged back in before closing it back up.
Yeah, I really dislike Apple. They push their minimalism so hard they want the market to be minimalist too. Give me a keyboard I've built, a mouse I've chosen, and a PC I've built any day over a waste of silicon so thorough they get by on reputation alone.
I hate everything about that company, including their aesthetic tastes (with a few exceptions). It is like they intentionally try to make everything as useless/lacking in user-friendliness as possible but convince everyone that they're the most user-friendly option somehow anyway ... as a joke, and then charge you an extra 50% for the Apple logo and infuriating ecosystem on top of it.
I agree with a lot here. And I could kinda deal with that if it weren't for 2 things: The elitism associated with their damn products (you would not believe how much bs I've gotten from Apple fans for daring to use an Android phone. Not even kidding)
I know someone who was told that since their display wasn't working on their Macbook the Apple employees told them just to buy a new Macbook for a massive amount of money... And when they asked a third-party technician they knew, the issue was a loose backlight cable. An issue so trivial to fix that the technician told them they wouldn't charge them for the repair, because it was 5 minutes to diagnose the issue, open up the laptop, and get one loose cable plugged back in before closing it back up.
13.- PCB mounted Costar stabilizers should be a thing
I miss my thumb trackball
I miss my thumb trackballShow Image(http://i.imgur.com/kyitHpc.jpg)
I wonder why this type of input solution that is all-inclusive did not succeed in the market.
I miss my thumb trackball
Why don't you get another one? Focus dome with slider feels pretty nice in my opinion. I found one of that exact board, under a different brand name, at a recycling facility. I didn't pay a whole lot for it.
My personal thoughts boil down to mice having been made first, they tend to be a bit more accurate than trackballs
when you let go of the ball or push the buttons the cursor stays on the exact pixel where you left it. The cursor will not move again until you touch the ball again. With mice the cursor is always moving at least a hair.Honestly I think you have been using really really really bad mice or there's an underlying issue that affects you (slightly moving the mouse when clicking). The former is easily solvable by getting a flawless mouse (https://sensor.fyi/mice/), the latter is more a practice thing with reasonable settings of the mouse (disable acceleration, use reasonable DPI, etc) and yourself (e.g. a lot of inexperienced drivers move the steering wheel when shifting gears).
i have the bigger FK9200 connected to my laptop thought a cheap (2USD) dual connector blue convertor, works perfectly wellI haven't found any made like that recently. The keyboard is so old it uses an AT style keyboard connector. I got it from an electronics overstock site in 2001 and used it until 2006 when the machine it was connected to croaked.I miss my thumb trackballWhy don't you get another one? Focus dome with slider feels pretty nice in my opinion. I found one of that exact board, under a different brand name, at a recycling facility. I didn't pay a whole lot for it.
well for that one there is the issue of quality, being a Focus board, the ring around the trackball on mine makes the ball and buttons bind badly, and the clock drift pretty badly, and the placement of the trackball prevent the spacebar from being properly stabilized, i think having it up top like IBM did was a better idea in my opinion.I miss my thumb trackballI wonder why this type of input solution that is all-inclusive did not succeed in the market.Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/kyitHpc.jpg)
Interestingly, I did find this:i have the bigger FK9200 connected to my laptop thought a cheap (2USD) dual connector blue convertor, works perfectly wellI haven't found any made like that recently. The keyboard is so old it uses an AT style keyboard connector. I got it from an electronics overstock site in 2001 and used it until 2006 when the machine it was connected to croaked.I miss my thumb trackballWhy don't you get another one? Focus dome with slider feels pretty nice in my opinion. I found one of that exact board, under a different brand name, at a recycling facility. I didn't pay a whole lot for it.well for that one there is the issue of quality, being a Focus board, the ring around the trackball on mine makes the ball and buttons bind badly, and the clock drift pretty badly, and the placement of the trackball prevent the spacebar from being properly stabilized, i think having it up top like IBM did was a better idea in my opinion.I miss my thumb trackballI wonder why this type of input solution that is all-inclusive did not succeed in the market.Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/kyitHpc.jpg)
and i think those never really caught up because the market for trackball is small, mice and trackpads are much more popular.
Laptop keyboards used to be decent, even for what they are. Modern laptops are too thin. There's no reason for them to be razor thin. They should be thick enough for both a mechanical keyboard and for more powerful and/or configurable hardware with better cooling. Outside of cheap Atom and Celeron systems, there should not be BGA CPUs that cannot be upgraded without specialized tools, or a lack of DIMM slots for memory upgrades, or any reliance on EMMC without the option for SATA or PCIe storage.
I'm also the kind of guy that won't touch a phone with no 3.5mm headphone jack, micro SD card slot and removable battery though either.
Heavily agreed.
My most recent laptop purchase was to secure a Thinkpad before they totally dropped the concept of a built in NIC and removable batteries (what sort of totally crap laptop designer thought it would be acceptable not to have external batteries).
Same with phones- there is huge marketing effort into pushing thin phones, but the first thing most people do is put them into chunky cases because a slick aluminium shell 3mm wide is too easy to drop.
I miss my thumb trackball
Why don't you get another one? Focus dome with slider feels pretty nice in my opinion. I found one of that exact board, under a different brand name, at a recycling facility. I didn't pay a whole lot for it.
I haven't found any made like that recently. The keyboard is so old it uses an AT style keyboard connector. I got it from an electronics overstock site in 2001 and used it until 2006 when the machine it was connected to croaked.
Interestingly, I did find this:
Perixx PERIBOARD-509H
Not to my liking, but maybe to yours.
Did you get rid of the board then? I would use one of those old Focus boards over anything MX-derived I have tried. I think I have more boards with AT connectors than USB and PS/2 combined. ;D
Did you get rid of the board then? I would use one of those old Focus boards over anything MX-derived I have tried. I think I have more boards with AT connectors than USB and PS/2 combined. ;D
It's still on a shelf in my office at work, and dirtier than I expected. It would need an epic deep cleaning, and some sort of AT-to-USB adapter to use it. I took that photo just a few months back when I first found this forum. I never thought the keyboard itself was super special, aside from the well placed trackball. I also used a couple Model M with Trackpoints at the same time, scored off eBay cheap during the Dot-Bomb.
Funny thing about the AT connector is that I accidentally blew out the PS/2 port on the motherboard the Focus was attached to 20 years ago, so I used an AT-to-serial adapter to use it from the serial port.
I wonder why this type of input solution that is all-inclusive did not succeed in the market.
My personal thoughts boil down to mice having been made first, they tend to be a bit more accurate than trackballs - which is important when considering computers were mainly invented for business purposes, and efficiency trumps all in business settings most of the time - mice being cheaper to produce and easier to maintain, and, finally, because of simple ableism. Doesn't matter that the default isn't all-inclusive when the majority can use it just fine, at least in the eyes of the people at the time the mouse became the dominant input method. :rolleyes:
Scissor switches ruin any merit it could have otherwise had in my mind. Perixx does have some cool stuff otherwise. I think I have a similar board from them but with no integrated second input device.
before finding out about the FK9200 i was planning on modding an old unicomp PC122 with an arcade trackball, an integrated hasu converter and usb hub, but then i discovered the focus and kinda abandoned the project.Scissor switches ruin any merit it could have otherwise had in my mind. Perixx does have some cool stuff otherwise. I think I have a similar board from them but with no integrated second input device.
Maybe a Kensington Trackball (like the blade or similar) or an arcade trackball that is PS/2 compatible? I don't know what else to suggest for you.
before finding out about the FK9200 i was planning on modding an old unicomp PC122 with an arcade trackball, an integrated hasu converter and usb hub, but then i discovered the focus and kinda abandoned the project.Scissor switches ruin any merit it could have otherwise had in my mind. Perixx does have some cool stuff otherwise. I think I have a similar board from them but with no integrated second input device.
Maybe a Kensington Trackball (like the blade or similar) or an arcade trackball that is PS/2 compatible? I don't know what else to suggest for you.
Labeled Caps are n00b caps.
Labeled Caps are n00b caps.yeah but they look better in my opinion, and it is much fun to see someone trying to use your pc with a layout that does not adhere to what is written on the keys :) (for context at work my physical boards are ISO-PT and ISO-FR while my software layout is US-INTL :))
Labeled Caps are n00b caps.yeah but they look better in my opinion, and it is much fun to see someone trying to use your pc with a layout that does not adhere to what is written on the keys :) (for context at work my physical boards are ISO-PT and ISO-FR while my software layout is US-INTL :))
although i feel that for TP4 others using his keyboard is not a possibility :)
Keyboard users (not here but in general) don't know how the hell to describe switch feelThis MX blue is very linear and smooth
It might be just me, but I honestly feel like I'm being gaslit half the time I visit the interest check forum. Page after page of the same generic-looking boxy keyboards or bog standard cherry profile keycaps in a slightly different shade of grey. I can't tell the latest one apart from the last 4 I viewed, and then hordes of people come tripping over each other to declare that it's the most amazing thing they've ever seen. :confused:You're not the only one. Few sets stand out for me.
It might be just me, but I honestly feel like I'm being gaslit half the time I visit the interest check forum. Page after page of the same generic-looking boxy keyboards or bog standard cherry profile keycaps in a slightly different shade of grey. I can't tell the latest one apart from the last 4 I viewed, and then hordes of people come tripping over each other to declare that it's the most amazing thing they've ever seen. :confused:me too mate, me too
It might be just me, but I honestly feel like I'm being gaslit half the time I visit the interest check forum. Page after page of the same generic-looking boxy keyboards or bog standard cherry profile keycaps in a slightly different shade of grey. I can't tell the latest one apart from the last 4 I viewed, and then hordes of people come tripping over each other to declare that it's the most amazing thing they've ever seen. :confused:
You will probably find it funny to know that Japanese people don't actually use JP sub-legends at all, they use English, learned that after making a suprise board for a Japanese friend.
- People that hit the spacebar with their finger instead of their thumb are wrong.
- BOW/WOB doesn't make your keyboard look "clean" or "classy," it makes your keyboard look like a storebought Dell.
- Hirigana/katakana/other languages on your keyset when you aren't actually using them for that language are a trashy gimmick that just makes you look like an unironic weeb.
It might be just me, but I honestly feel like I'm being gaslit half the time I visit the interest check forum. Page after page of the same generic-looking boxy keyboards or bog standard cherry profile keycaps in a slightly different shade of grey. I can't tell the latest one apart from the last 4 I viewed, and then hordes of people come tripping over each other to declare that it's the most amazing thing they've ever seen. :confused:
You will probably find it funny to know that Japanese people don't actually use JP sub-legends at all, they use English, learned that after making a suprise board for a Japanese friend.
- Hirigana/katakana/other languages on your keyset when you aren't actually using them for that language are a trashy gimmick that just makes you look like an unironic weeb.
The real hidden art in the keyboard community is not key switches or keycaps or even the cases with the deepest thocks. The art is the cheapest aspect of the whole endeavor …. the QMK customs that people design. There is beauty in the custom firmware.
- Hirigana/katakana/other languages on your keyset when you aren't actually using them for that language are a trashy gimmick that just makes you look like an unironic weeb.
I am an unironic weeb.
Keyboard users (not here but in general) don't know how the hell to describe switch feelThis MX blue is very linear and smooth
- Group Buys, as a form of sale/ordering, need to die in a fire. Waiting for 1-2 years for a product you pay today is absurd and it makes this hobby incredibly unrewarding. And it's a scummy practice. We need to actively boycott group buys.
Legitimately curious - what do you think is the alternative?
- Group Buys, as a form of sale/ordering, need to die in a fire. Waiting for 1-2 years for a product you pay today is absurd and it makes this hobby incredibly unrewarding. And it's a scummy practice. We need to actively boycott group buys.
- Split, ergo, sub-60% sizes, dvorak, colemak, ortho and other obscure layouts/setups are absolutely an unnecessary gimmick for most people, obviously except a tiny minority for whom it makes sense. If the good ol' reliable staggered qwerty works for almost all of the people around the world, don't try to sell me a quirky layout as the best thing since sliced bread.
This talk has been had many times, as of now there is no good way to do this.
Hobby is still small, most group buys are run by small teams of designer so no chance of in-stock their unless they are omega-rich. Big vendors can do instock buys, but again, big vendor, usually will not work with smaller designers for their smaller projects.
This talk has been had many times, as of now there is no good way to do this.
Hobby is still small, most group buys are run by small teams of designer so no chance of in-stock their unless they are omega-rich. Big vendors can do instock buys, but again, big vendor, usually will not work with smaller designers for their smaller projects.
This talk has been had many times, as of now there is no good way to do this.
Hobby is still small, most group buys are run by small teams of designer so no chance of in-stock their unless they are omega-rich. Big vendors can do instock buys, but again, big vendor, usually will not work with smaller designers for their smaller projects.
Agreed. Only way that this hobby could possibly move away from the GB model is if it suddenly had a massive influx of people interested in it, on a fairly large scale that we're likely never to see. At least to the level that larger companies would see some form of profit from keeping keyboard-hobby related products in stock constantly.
A good industry standard for pcb to case integration would help minimize the group buy requirements. Think how the MX standard has helped. When you can find keycaps available, you are almost guaranteed they will fit any board. Open source projects excite me. Something about taking an open source pcb and do my own small run fabrication is great. Problem is finding a good case that fits. Mix and match so to speak.
RGB is great, but only if you choose one static colour across the keyboard.
RGB is great, but only if you choose one static colour across the keyboard.
Agreed, but with one caveat: a tasteful gradient can be nice
I love the 2016 Macbook Pro's butterfly keyboard. My WPM are a bit higher then my mechs with the super low travel, and big keycaps. I still love my mech's tho
Group Buys only suck for mech keyboards because all the manufacturers are backed up. If anything, more products should shift towards being group buys, so as to avoid overproduction and waste.
I love the 2016 Macbook Pro's butterfly keyboard. My WPM are a bit higher then my mechs with the super low travel, and big keycaps. I still love my mech's tho
Group Buys only suck for mech keyboards because all the manufacturers are backed up. If anything, more products should shift towards being group buys, so as to avoid overproduction and waste.
3. Silent switches are superior. No issues with thock/thack or clack or any of that, you just try to get them as quiet as possible and thats all :))I kinda agree that silent are better for linear i still like my clickies better, and silent switches can still ping, my board with gat silent reds is the pingiest thing i ever used, although that only happen with a case, without it it is less noisy than the rubber domes in the office (logitech k120 and random dell/hp boards).
I kinda agree that silent are better for linear i still like my clickies better, and silent switches can still ping, my board with gat silent reds is the pingiest thing i ever used, although that only happen with a case, without it it is less noisy than the rubber domes in the office (logitech k120 and random dell/hp boards).
The Boba silent samples I got have this somewhat sticky sound as if the top of the stem unsticks from the top housing, a bit gross to be honest, does it go away after lubing?I kinda agree that silent are better for linear i still like my clickies better, and silent switches can still ping, my board with gat silent reds is the pingiest thing i ever used, although that only happen with a case, without it it is less noisy than the rubber domes in the office (logitech k120 and random dell/hp boards).
Yeah ping can be a bit hard to get rid of in my opinion... I've had most luck with bobagum linears in that aspect, needed the least amount of "work" by far to get them as quiet as possible(and without frankenswitching they're significantly more quiet overall than the gateron/zeal varients in my experience)
As for clickies... eh whilst I do like the sound every now and then using them as a daily would drive me crazy :))
- Group Buys, as a form of sale/ordering, need to die in a fire. Waiting for 1-2 years for a product you pay today is absurd and it makes this hobby incredibly unrewarding. And it's a scummy practice. We need to actively boycott group buys.
- Split, ergo, sub-60% sizes, dvorak, colemak, ortho and other obscure layouts/setups are absolutely an unnecessary gimmick for most people, obviously except a tiny minority for whom it makes sense. If the good ol' reliable staggered qwerty works for almost all of the people around the world, don't try to sell me a quirky layout as the best thing since sliced bread.
The Boba silent samples I got have this somewhat sticky sound as if the top of the stem unsticks from the top housing, a bit gross to be honest, does it go away after lubing?I'm not entirely sure what specific sound you're referring to so honestly I can't say. I'd say just try to lube a couple and see what the result is? Gazzew recommends just lubing the sliders so If you haven't done that I'd say give that a try.... I personally prefer them lubed on all contact points to reduce/mitigate any sort of ping and make them as smooth as possible but obviously you'll lose out on some of the tactility by doing this.
And now you're going to cry about us gatekeeping. Spoiler alert: you're gatekeeping yourself, but feel free to be salty. If you really want something, you'll wait for it to happen, doing your best in acquiring it. And when it comes to high end boards that are designed from scratch, with a LOT of work, dedication, blood, sweat and tears you have absolutely no right in deeming what we should like, use or do with our resources.
As an aside, is 'gatekeeping' still an internet thing? I noticed that people would occasionally throw this word around, but it's been thankfully absent from my internet browsing in the past couple years.Sounds like the gatekeepers are doing their job
there are still some peoples in some niche communities that will try to gatekeep in the original sense of the term (aka keeping new peoples out of their hobby for the sake of being special) but whenever a hobby get interest on the internet it is bound to have some helpful souls undo all the gatekeeper's work, at least that is my feeling on it.And now you're going to cry about us gatekeeping. Spoiler alert: you're gatekeeping yourself, but feel free to be salty. If you really want something, you'll wait for it to happen, doing your best in acquiring it. And when it comes to high end boards that are designed from scratch, with a LOT of work, dedication, blood, sweat and tears you have absolutely no right in deeming what we should like, use or do with our resources.
As an aside, is 'gatekeeping' still an internet thing? I noticed that people would occasionally throw this word around, but it's been thankfully absent from my internet browsing in the past couple years.
I understand that it is supposed to have deeper ramifications, but it seemed to invariably be a complaint raised by inexperience people who lacked knowledge or expertise, still wanted their opinions to be heard or treated as 'equal' in various internet pools. It was frequently matched with some phrasing that everyone is entitled to an opinion (apparently even when discussing technical subjects).
As an aside, is 'gatekeeping' still an internet thing? I noticed that people would occasionally throw this word around, but it's been thankfully absent from my internet browsing in the past couple years.
I understand that it is supposed to have deeper ramifications, but it seemed to invariably be a complaint raised by inexperience people who lacked knowledge or expertise, still wanted their opinions to be heard or treated as 'equal' in various internet pools. It was frequently matched with some phrasing that everyone is entitled to an opinion (apparently even when discussing technical subjects).
It funny how the dynamic changes with team games. In fighting games, people are always happy to get new players into a game.As an aside, is 'gatekeeping' still an internet thing? I noticed that people would occasionally throw this word around, but it's been thankfully absent from my internet browsing in the past couple years.
I understand that it is supposed to have deeper ramifications, but it seemed to invariably be a complaint raised by inexperience people who lacked knowledge or expertise, still wanted their opinions to be heard or treated as 'equal' in various internet pools. It was frequently matched with some phrasing that everyone is entitled to an opinion (apparently even when discussing technical subjects).
Trust me, there is still a lot of gatekeeping around on the internet. Usually in video game communities, now, from what I see. I see tons of people who will, instead of saying "Oh hey a new player how about I help them!" will instead choose to say "You're not good enough for this game, get out!"
Usually happens in games with more toxic communities, like League of Legends, Rainbow 6: Siege, and even a few strategy games I can't remember the names of. Genuinely discouraging because in those games, even when the game itself is decent, the community actively hampers its own growth by gatekeeping and bullying new players for "daring" to touch their precious consumer product in a way this slightly-more-established player doesn't like. Usually have to actively seek out the nicer parts of the communities for games like that, especially ones with a professional scene.
Honestly, I'm just glad that I don't really see any gatekeeping outside of memes in the KB community. Helps a lot in making myself and others feel welcome.
It funny how the dynamic changes with team games. In fighting games, people are always happy to get new players into a game.
It might be just me, but I honestly feel like I'm being gaslit half the time I visit the interest check forum. Page after page of the same generic-looking boxy keyboards or bog standard cherry profile keycaps in a slightly different shade of grey. I can't tell the latest one apart from the last 4 I viewed, and then hordes of people come tripping over each other to declare that it's the most amazing thing they've ever seen. :confused:
Nope, I agree. Before I knew what they were I bought a GMK clone set and while I can understand liking different colourways and all, I just don't see why people lust over a specific keycap set that hasn't been made for 2 years when there's probably a set that looks identical currently live.
FR4 plates are the best.They are pretty nice
Gasket mount designs are super diverse and super finnicky, but I have no problem at all getting a tray mount to feel or sound good. I've reached the point where seeing "gasket mounted" in an IC makes me nervous.
Most 60%s stick to the Poker spec, so almost all are compatible with the DH60. I'm thinking of getting the NPKC wooden ones with the built in wristrest soon.Gasket mount designs are super diverse and super finnicky, but I have no problem at all getting a tray mount to feel or sound good. I've reached the point where seeing "gasket mounted" in an IC makes me nervous.
May be slightly off topic but you seem like the person to ask - I'm looking for a tray-mount 60% case (DH60 spec (https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=111735.msg3025607#msg3025607)) but the only one I know of is the Tofu60, anything else you'd recommend I look at that isn't a long-ended group buy?
1. Pom blanks are the superior keycaps. Durable and no possible issues with legend centering/legend quality.
1. Pom blanks are the superior keycaps. Durable and no possible issues with legend centering/legend quality.
Blockers for the arrow cluster on 65%s are trash.... I don't want less functionality on my board and I don't need help finding/ not hitting something that is in the bottom corner of the board,
In 115 pages, I’m sure my unpopular opinions have already been said, but I’ll take a stab anyway.I agree with point 3, there is too much options and types this days to make a choice, Nylon, PC, POM, long pole, HP style, sharp, round, short travel, etc, you can't get an idea without actually trying it, especially since keyboard parts are pretty expensive to try, or at least very expensive in small quantities.
1. I dislike most tactile switches where the click is an affectation and not an inherent aspect of the actuation mechanism.
2. Much like some people complain that keyboards are held back by clinging to outmoded remnants of the past (staggered rows, QWERTY layout, etc.), the same can be said for MX-style stems and switch housings.
3. (Possibly the most unpopular) There is too much choice in the market these days. It’s nearly impossible for even a very active member of the community to make a fully informed decision or offer fully informed advice. Choice paralysis is a real thing, and I know more than one person who gave up on buying a mechanical keyboard because of how many options there are.
4. Most ergonomic keyboards … aren’t. In fact, some are arguably worse in certain regards.
5. While they are undeniably massive, the height of a beamspring keyboard is a non-issue if you can adjust your seat height or desk height. If you can fit a fullsize keyboard, you are almost certainly fine with any of them save perhaps for the Displaywriter/Beamship (though they’re < 2” wider than a Model M).
6. Beamsprings are fantastic switches. But they aren’t “godly”, nor are you guaranteed to prefer them over a Model M/F. They certainly aren’t worth anywhere near $1500+. (I would know. I own one, purchased for $300 including controller.)
7. The community is too hyperbolic. Switches aren’t merely “okay”, they’re “trash”. They aren’t “preferred”, but “godly”. This goes for case designs, keycap materials, colorways, etc. etc. (And this is a complaint that could probably be leveled at society at large, not just the community.)
Let's hear them.
I'll start off.
1. I hate 60% boards, and rarely use my Poker 2. The lack of arrow keys kills me, and I can never be productive or get serious work done on one.
2. I think HHKB boards are overrated, and the layout dumber than a Poker. I think custom MX, HHKB layout boards are just as stupid (Viper, Happy).
3. I think Topre is overrated, and lower quality than MX (despite the higher price) as the board tends to get stiffer over time.
Kinda like how all high-end sound systems can be so easily spoiled with inferior music CDs that run the risk of displaying distortion, overwarm bass, lack of treble clarity, artificial sounding sound stage, not to mention simply questionable musical taste. None of which should be tolerated by the discerning audiophile. That's why 9 out 10 serious audiophiles demand only the very best and most flawless experience from their hifis, and will listen only to blank CDs, after they have switched the unit off. :-X :pThat would be the keyboards in our collections hanging from the walls/lined up on a shelf with all switches spring swapped/lubed/filmed to perfection..... Talking about audio... I was forced to acknowledge my hypocrisy the other day when I was trying to find out why an amplifier has to cost $XXX when it should be relatively simple technology.... whilst looking at keyboard Gb's in certain price ranges on a different tab :-X
1. Pom blanks are the superior keycaps. Durable and no possible issues with legend centering/legend quality.
No matter of concern for those who touch type.
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The optical switches on the Razer Huntsman Mini are smoother than any MX style switch I've ever tried, including tangerines and alpacas.
Not bottoming out switches and looking for a tactile switch that allows that is a very weird concept to me.
To me serves the purpose of giving me a feedback to know I've pressed the bottom and did not miss it by not pressing enough, which can happen with linears for me, it also helps to recognize mistypes and prevent them.Not bottoming out switches and looking for a tactile switch that allows that is a very weird concept to me.
Just curious, what purpose does the tactile feedback of "tactile" and "clicky" switches serve if you're meant to bottom out anyway? Bear in mind the core concept of linear/clicky/tactile has been around for decades, when the AESTHETICS didn't matter.
To me serves the purpose of giving me a feedback to know I've pressed the bottom and did not miss it by not pressing enough, which can happen with linears for me, it also helps to recognize mistypes and prevent them.Not bottoming out switches and looking for a tactile switch that allows that is a very weird concept to me.
Just curious, what purpose does the tactile feedback of "tactile" and "clicky" switches serve if you're meant to bottom out anyway? Bear in mind the core concept of linear/clicky/tactile has been around for decades, when the AESTHETICS didn't matter.
Maybe the initial concept was to not bottom out but I can't see that happening now with the MX switches available, it's either noticeably tactile and bottoming out (most of the noticeable tactile are Holy Panda style anyway) by having a lighter spring than the tactile bump resulting in bottoming out or having a weaker bump than the spring resulting in weak tactile feeback.
I just find the concept tiring to force yourself to not bottom out, with the current MX switches avaliable.
Could you give examples of boards that have tactile feeback meant to not bottom out?
Well you can't say MX switches aren't tactile in the sense of "they aren't tactile because real tactility is meant to allow you to not bottom out while typing" and then say you don't have any example of a board with real tactile mechanism, it doesn't really have to be MX, are alps considered actual tactiles to you? can you use Model M buckling springs without bottoming out? I'm genuinely curious.My commentNot bottoming out switches and looking for a tactile switch that allows that is a very weird concept to me.
Just curious, what purpose does the tactile feedback of "tactile" and "clicky" switches serve if you're meant to bottom out anyway? Bear in mind the core concept of linear/clicky/tactile has been around for decades, when the AESTHETICS didn't matter.
I can't give you an example of a board with tactile switches that is meant to not bottom out because that would be like asking me to give an example of a car designed to not move. It goes against the core concept.
"The fundamental reason is ergonomic. Tactile feedback makes it possible for a typist to stop pushing down before the keys bottom out, reducing total effort by up to a factor of two.
The lowered effort substantially reduces the risk of RSI, and there field evidence that people with RSI may achieve reduction in symptoms or even complete remission of RSI by using tactile-feedback devices.
Even people without RSI often find they can type faster and more accurately on tactile devices than on dome-switch keyboards that don’t supply anything but slight uniform resistance or a meaningless click before they bottom out."
Also, "tactile" switches are simply an effort to mimic the tactility of the clickies but be more silent, it's the strong tactility of the clickies that is the desired trait. I personally think that none of the MX clones are actually tactile, except for the clickies (and maybe BOX Royals, depending on if you count them as tactile or clicky). MX switches being terrible at tactility is the reason people simply think that you must bottom out.
Also, another strange opinion of mine, linears are so popular because they are, bear with me, more tactile than tactiles/clickies. The harsh bottom out is a strong tactile event, signaling your finger to stop pushing and go back.
To me serves the purpose of giving me a feedback to know I've pressed the bottom and did not miss it by not pressing enough, which can happen with linears for me, it also helps to recognize mistypes and prevent them.Not bottoming out switches and looking for a tactile switch that allows that is a very weird concept to me.
Just curious, what purpose does the tactile feedback of "tactile" and "clicky" switches serve if you're meant to bottom out anyway? Bear in mind the core concept of linear/clicky/tactile has been around for decades, when the AESTHETICS didn't matter.
Maybe the initial concept was to not bottom out but I can't see that happening now with the MX switches available, it's either noticeably tactile and bottoming out (most of the noticeable tactile are Holy Panda style anyway) by having a lighter spring than the tactile bump resulting in bottoming out or having a weaker bump than the spring resulting in weak tactile feeback.
I just find the concept tiring to force yourself to not bottom out, with the current MX switches avaliable.
Could you give examples of boards that have tactile feeback meant to not bottom out?
Well you're basically describing Ergo Clears.To me serves the purpose of giving me a feedback to know I've pressed the bottom and did not miss it by not pressing enough, which can happen with linears for me, it also helps to recognize mistypes and prevent them.Not bottoming out switches and looking for a tactile switch that allows that is a very weird concept to me.
Just curious, what purpose does the tactile feedback of "tactile" and "clicky" switches serve if you're meant to bottom out anyway? Bear in mind the core concept of linear/clicky/tactile has been around for decades, when the AESTHETICS didn't matter.
Maybe the initial concept was to not bottom out but I can't see that happening now with the MX switches available, it's either noticeably tactile and bottoming out (most of the noticeable tactile are Holy Panda style anyway) by having a lighter spring than the tactile bump resulting in bottoming out or having a weaker bump than the spring resulting in weak tactile feeback.
I just find the concept tiring to force yourself to not bottom out, with the current MX switches avaliable.
Could you give examples of boards that have tactile feeback meant to not bottom out?
Which is exactly why I dislike a lot of the tactile offerings currenty on the table. The tactility bump is so sharp/big/long that to me they miss the entire purpose of tactile switch; feedback on the actuation point of the keypress. MX browns on the other hand aren't it either: feedback is just too weak.
To me tactile feedback is just about knowing when the switch actuated, I'm not at all interested in feeling that I'm overcoming a long mountain trek or just hit a deer on my keyboard :-X
I think the zealv1's did it very well though they had some other less than stellar things such as wobble(didn't bother me much). The only way I've found a tactility I like in the current offerings is through frankenswitching to get something with a bump stronger than browns but not as extreme as zealv2's or drawn out like boba u4's.
(End result boba linear bottoms with silent sky stems)
Well you're basically describing Ergo Clears.
Zeals V1 we're Ergo Clears like switch, and from a short test I've maded mixing a an Outemu V2 stem in a linear boba housing produced an Ergo Clear like switch, not sure how a silent stem will differ though.
Can you actually prevent yourself from bottoming out while having high WPM? seems like it's either tiring or jamming your WPM as 4mm is not long enough in my eyes, though I'll admit I havn't used an ergo clear board, maybe I should give it a shot.
IDK if this is all that unpopular, but I think cherry makes some of the worst key switches on the market right now. Reds are meh, Blues sound ****ing hideous (greens are better but not by much), and browns are just lackluster when you use literally any other tactile switch somewhere like NK has to offer. I've heard blacks are nice but honestly, my general distaste for Cherry has made me completely uninterested.
I've been sitting on this one for a while: aviator connectors look terrible.
They're super chunk and unaesthetic, and the exposed hardware is all around bleh. I'd rather have multiple cables for multiple devices than have a set of aviators.
Lemo connectors, on the other hand, are the gold standard. Lemo clones are a cheaper alternative that are only ~20 msrp. We need more cables offered with lemo clones.
The optical switches on the Razer Huntsman Mini are smoother than any MX style switch I've ever tried, including tangerines and alpacas.
The first gen Flaretech switches on my Celeritas II are pretty good, off center isn't the best on a lot of them but otherwise they're very nice, compared to my Gat yellows you almost can't feel the travel.The optical switches on the Razer Huntsman Mini are smoother than any MX style switch I've ever tried, including tangerines and alpacas.
Same goes with the Flaretech switches in the Wooting keyboards. Almost too smooth. Really neat though, especially with the variable actuation distance.
IDK if this is all that unpopular, but I think cherry makes some of the worst key switches on the market right now. Reds are meh, Blues sound ****ing hideous (greens are better but not by much), and browns are just lackluster when you use literally any other tactile switch somewhere like NK has to offer. I've heard blacks are nice but honestly, my general distaste for Cherry has made me completely uninterested.
Ultrasonic baths are dumb, boiling is better.boiling will remove anything that is water soluble, ultrasonic baths everything else too, it is most often not needed i agree but still is much stronger.
Literally just yeet switches into a pan, boil them. They don't deform or melt, it's way faster and better.
boiling is better.
boiling is better.
ABS can't survive that temperature. Verify the material before you go over about 185F/85C.
I think that the pe foam mod and tape mod are the begining of the end for this hobby. It makes every single board sound the same and just takes out all of the fun in keyboards in general
The first gen Flaretech switches on my Celeritas II are pretty good, off center isn't the best on a lot of them but otherwise they're very nice, compared to my Gat yellows you almost can't feel the travel.The optical switches on the Razer Huntsman Mini are smoother than any MX style switch I've ever tried, including tangerines and alpacas.
Same goes with the Flaretech switches in the Wooting keyboards. Almost too smooth. Really neat though, especially with the variable actuation distance.
Maybe I'd lube them one day, Trybosis 3204 will probably get rid of the off center issue and make them extra smooth.
I think that the pe foam mod and tape mod are the begining of the end for this hobby. It makes every single board sound the same and just takes out all of the fun in keyboards in general
i do agree with you that brown's springs are way too light
I find TKL keyboards plain weird to look at. Typing on them and moving your hand towards the arrow keys makes your hand drop besides the keyboard. I can't get used to it.Do people actually use the keys above the arrow aside for Print screen and Delete? I'll imagine people like the spacing enough to not care about the bulkyness.
75% designs like the gorgeous Satisfaction75 are what 75% designs are supposed to be.
If you designed a car which is a sedan and you want to make a coupé version, you don't simply get rid of the backdoors and simply move the backwindow close to the front seats but leave all the shapes exactly how they are. That's how TKL's are to me.
I find TKL keyboards plain weird to look at. Typing on them and moving your hand towards the arrow keys makes your hand drop besides the keyboard. I can't get used to it.
75% designs like the gorgeous Satisfaction75 are what 75% designs are supposed to be.
Do people actually use the keys above the arrow aside for Print screen and Delete? I'll imagine people like the spacing enough to not care about the bulkyness.
Preferences might change with time though. I used to like Clears, but now I use linearised Orange Alps that are what, 45g?
Do people actually use the keys above the arrow aside for Print screen and Delete? I'll imagine people like the spacing enough to not care about the bulkyness.I use Shift+Home, Shift+End and Delete frequently. The Snip Tool has eliminated my need for the Print Screen key.
Wouldn't the Satisfaction still cause your hand to drop as well? In either case, the arrow keys are R4. If anything, the Satisfaction75's "nav cluster" is dropped lower than R4 by some fraction, so that's an even further vertical gap between arrows and the home row.
Wouldn't the ideal be a split space (or some other easily accessible left handed layer button) and hjkl arrows?That would be much better. I have a 75% on the way because of the looks, while I intend to program it for capslock and then i,j,k,l.
Do people actually use the keys above the arrow aside for Print screen and Delete? I'll imagine people like the spacing enough to not care about the bulkyness.
I think that light switches shouldn't exist. I prefer MX Blacks over the Reds, Clears over the Browns and so forth and so on. I hate light switches so much that I think that the worst part of the MX Brown switch is the 45g spring, which is too light for a tactile switch. Seriously, tactile switches have been made to PREVENT accidental keypresses, and the light spring gets in a way of that preventing.
Also, my hands start to hurt over time when I type on a keyboard with light switches, but they don't when I type on a keyboard with heavy switches.
I think that light switches shouldn't exist. I prefer MX Blacks over the Reds, Clears over the Browns and so forth and so on. I hate light switches so much that I think that the worst part of the MX Brown switch is the 45g spring, which is too light for a tactile switch. Seriously, tactile switches have been made to PREVENT accidental keypresses, and the light spring gets in a way of that preventing.
Also, my hands start to hurt over time when I type on a keyboard with light switches, but they don't when I type on a keyboard with heavy switches.
So are you one of those refined humans from 40 generations from now who can naturally type well without bottoming out?
I think that light switches shouldn't exist. I prefer MX Blacks over the Reds, Clears over the Browns and so forth and so on. I hate light switches so much that I think that the worst part of the MX Brown switch is the 45g spring, which is too light for a tactile switch. Seriously, tactile switches have been made to PREVENT accidental keypresses, and the light spring gets in a way of that preventing.With 150g switches in BOX Navy switches, 200g in my Macropad, I agree 100%!
Also, my hands start to hurt over time when I type on a keyboard with light switches, but they don't when I type on a keyboard with heavy switches.
I think that light switches shouldn't exist. I prefer MX Blacks over the Reds, Clears over the Browns and so forth and so on. I hate light switches so much that I think that the worst part of the MX Brown switch is the 45g spring, which is too light for a tactile switch. Seriously, tactile switches have been made to PREVENT accidental keypresses, and the light spring gets in a way of that preventing.With 150g switches in BOX Navy switches, 200g in my Macropad, I agree 100%!
Also, my hands start to hurt over time when I type on a keyboard with light switches, but they don't when I type on a keyboard with heavy switches.
Accidentally hitting enter or pasting a macro to a spreadsheet and not immediately realizing it...
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i do agree with you that brown's springs are way too light
You know, it was a really huge disappointment.
When I was reading/watching reviews on brown MX switches I was thinking that "oh yeah, they are not as tactile as clears (I got one loose Cherry MX Clear switch way before I tried Cherry MX Brown switches), but I am ready for it and I still think they are not that bad". This optimistic point of view was completely destroyed when I got them. They are so light that making accidental keypresses with them is as easy as making them with MX Reds. This is extremely annoying. If I wanted to make lots of typos, I would better prefer silvers, they weren't at least marketed as "good switch for typists".
i do agree with you that brown's springs are way too light
You know, it was a really huge disappointment.
When I was reading/watching reviews on brown MX switches I was thinking that "oh yeah, they are not as tactile as clears (I got one loose Cherry MX Clear switch way before I tried Cherry MX Brown switches), but I am ready for it and I still think they are not that bad". This optimistic point of view was completely destroyed when I got them. They are so light that making accidental keypresses with them is as easy as making them with MX Reds. This is extremely annoying. If I wanted to make lots of typos, I would better prefer silvers, they weren't at least marketed as "good switch for typists".
This reminds me of one of my unpopular keyboard opinions: OEM/Cherry are terrible profiles because they invite lots of typos. Their sharp corners are easy to catch by accident as your fingers move across the keyboard. Once I switched to DSA with their gentle corners my wpm went up by 20 or so.
I think that light switches shouldn't exist. I prefer MX Blacks over the Reds, Clears over the Browns and so forth and so on. I hate light switches so much that I think that the worst part of the MX Brown switch is the 45g spring, which is too light for a tactile switch. Seriously, tactile switches have been made to PREVENT accidental keypresses, and the light spring gets in a way of that preventing.
Also, my hands start to hurt over time when I type on a keyboard with light switches, but they don't when I type on a keyboard with heavy switches.
I think that light switches shouldn't exist. I prefer MX Blacks over the Reds, Clears over the Browns and so forth and so on. I hate light switches so much that I think that the worst part of the MX Brown switch is the 45g spring, which is too light for a tactile switch. Seriously, tactile switches have been made to PREVENT accidental keypresses, and the light spring gets in a way of that preventing.
Also, my hands start to hurt over time when I type on a keyboard with light switches, but they don't when I type on a keyboard with heavy switches.
I personally love light switches. It's odd that light switches hurt your hands, but if you're a heavy typer I guess that makes sense especially if you're bottoming out hard. I'll spend 8 hours a day typing commands on a console so anything heavy can start to hurt, though in fairness I'm probably starting with early onset of arthritis.
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The spacebar is TOO DAMN BIG.
i dunno, 6u seems a bit small to me 10u looks like the sweet spot :)
joking aside, i think that given i only use my right thumb on the bar i feel a 1.5u should be usable, but i understand the large space bars and find that often 7U layouts look cleaner.
Using an Enter key for your spacebar is much better than using your actual spacebar key.I used to do it stabless just so I didn't need to hear that goddamn ticking until I started tuning my bars really well.
Does anyone do this too? ;)
Anything that's 45g or lighter is clearly, in my mind, way too light. I'm not sure how anybody can think otherwise unless they never rest their fingers on the keys.
Anything that's 45g or lighter is clearly, in my mind, way too light. I'm not sure how anybody can think otherwise unless they never rest their fingers on the keys.
I only touch the keys between words enough to confirm that I'm at home row position, and while actively typing the unused fingers are off the keys. Hands and wrists are floating. Makes me curious what that pressure level is, but it's far less than 45 grams.
In split ergo keyboards, the 'B' key is on the wrong side (left instead of right). They're all like this, too. If anything, they should duplicate the center two columns so you can use either hand for the middle section while having your hands ergonomically situated apart.You mean to say that you have poor typing habits...don't worry, many of us do.
In split ergo keyboards, the 'B' key is on the wrong side (left instead of right). They're all like this, too. If anything, they should duplicate the center two columns so you can use either hand for the middle section while having your hands ergonomically situated apart.You mean to say that you have poor typing habits...don't worry, many of us do.
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Speaking of unorthodox typing habits, sometimes when I see these youtubers do their "typing tests" I pull my hair out watching the strange places/angles they hold their hands. Ms. Peterson would never have tolerated this poor form in 10th grade Keyboarding class! Almost as bad as watching dad "hunt-and-peck", LOL. :p
In the school district in which I work, typing is no longer even a standalone class. They shoehorn it briefly into a section of another computer class.
Cannot stand ABS feeling. Cannot stand smoothness and shine. Would rather use cheap PBT than expensive GMK for that reason.You're not the only one.
Cannot stand ABS feeling. Cannot stand smoothness and shine. Would rather use cheap PBT than expensive GMK for that reason.You're not the only one.
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Also I prefer some stem wobble over no wobble.Heretic!
You can't have a black case and white kecyaps. The other way around is fine.Sorta agree, but I personally would have wob on everything except for a white case and I just sorta dislike black cases in general
Or really, whenever the contrast of light/dark gets substantial, a case that is significantly darker than the keycaps is not something that you can do.
You can't have a black case and white kecyaps. The other way around is fine.Sorta agree, but I personally would have wob on everything except for a white case and I just sorta dislike black cases in general
Or really, whenever the contrast of light/dark gets substantial, a case that is significantly darker than the keycaps is not something that you can do.
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And I'm totally fine with that as there are some pretty popular sets out there that I can't stand either. Everyone is entitled to their own opinion. (https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20211111/d366f9c70b6534aa49b4e13d9f611c56.jpg)I don't know what you mean.Show Image(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20211101/f51b32d666fcd5161c19b524c1a5bb42.jpg)
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i genuinely think sanctuary rebirth might be the ugliest set of all time, and i will die on this hill
i genuinely think sanctuary rebirth might be the ugliest set of all time, and i will die on this hill
i genuinely think sanctuary rebirth might be the ugliest set of all time, and i will die on this hill
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Everyone is entitled to their own opinion.
Everyone is entitled to their own opinion.
In a thread on unpopular opinions?
Where else? Surely not a thread on popular opinions.
Lubing switches is not a mystical art. Just throw the stems in a bag with some lube and shake it around. Put it back together and wipe off the rest of the lube from the exposed stem. Don't worry about consistency from switch to switch when hand lubing. It all evens out with wear over a few weeks. I cannot believe the amount of hours I wasted hand lubing switches. No one will be able to tell the difference between hand lubed and bag lubed after a month of use - I'd put my money on that.
Speaking of unorthodox typing habits, sometimes when I see these youtubers do their "typing tests" I pull my hair out watching the strange places/angles they hold their hands. Ms. Peterson would never have tolerated this poor form in 10th grade Keyboarding class! Almost as bad as watching dad "hunt-and-peck", LOL. :p
After the decline of the standalone typewriter, for some reason, an emphasis on teaching typing seems to have declined. It picked back up a little while I was in school (as the home computer and broadband internet spread through almost every home). It seems now that the average person doesn't even use a computer anymore that it is once again on the decline. People would rather stare and poke at a tiny screen, waiting for its anemic hardware to do the tasks a real computer should be doing and routinely mistyping/misclicking things with their relatively gigantic pointing implements.
In the school district in which I work, typing is no longer even a standalone class. They shoehorn it briefly into a section of another computer class.
It annoys me a little that my typing 'education' was so pathetic.
I never learned to type properly, as the only 'typing lessons' I received at school were a few weeks in 1988 of typing on a.....laminated A4 printout of a keyboard layout. Needless to say, the experience was sufficiently uninspiring to be almost entirely useless, and I ended up developing an undisciplined and adhoc typing style on my own as I grew up.
This was in the mid-late-1960s and included one semester on a manual typewriter and the second semester (assuming that you passed the first) on the glorious new IBM Selectric.
Learning typing isn't about being "ultra-fast", or even quite fast. It's about using the tool (keyboard) efficiently and ergonomically, which in turn makes any task involving it more efficient. Doesn't need to be long strings of text, though pretty much everyone regularly types a lot of text since we use language to communicate. You can certainly e.g. hunt-and-peck through code, but it's much more efficient to be able to type all those curvy () curly {} blocky [] brackets and funky % ^ # symbols without stopping your flow of coding concentration to think/look which keys they're on. For my own work I'm usually typing hundreds or thousands of commands a day to control the equipment I use, and can keep my eyes and mind on the information on the display while my fingers are running the keyboard by muscle memory.
It annoys me a little that my typing 'education' was so pathetic.
Strangling the intellectual essence out of education is a core objective of the Radical Right's power plan. If you were alive and aware before the late-1970s, you might recognize the changes. If not, you can't remember when (and more importantly - why) America "used to be" great and that leaves you ill-equipped to understand what it would be required to regain our stature in the world.
When I was in high school, I had a free elective and told my father that I wanted to take "Wood Shop" - he said "no" and insisted that I take"Typing" since I already had good basic carpentry skills. This was in the mid-late-1960s and included one semester on a manual typewriter and the second semester (assuming that you passed the first) on the glorious new IBM Selectric.
But, even worse, in my time a year-long course in "Civics" was required, usually around the 7th-8th grade, wherein you learned the basic tenants and mechanics of the operation of our society and government. That was targeted as one of the earliest casualties for the Hard Right "Culture Wars" - if you don't understand how the world works you can more easily be manipulated into an "alternative" world view.
Learning typing isn't about being "ultra-fast", or even quite fast. It's about using the tool (keyboard) efficiently and ergonomically, which in turn makes any task involving it more efficient. Doesn't need to be long strings of text, though pretty much everyone regularly types a lot of text since we use language to communicate. You can certainly e.g. hunt-and-peck through code, but it's much more efficient to be able to type all those curvy () curly {} blocky [] brackets and funky % ^ # symbols without stopping your flow of coding concentration to think/look which keys they're on. For my own work I'm usually typing hundreds or thousands of commands a day to control the equipment I use, and can keep my eyes and mind on the information on the display while my fingers are running the keyboard by muscle memory.
At the risk of appearing arrogant, I'd suggest that unless you're using a much smarter keyboard layout than the standard one, then I'm probably more efficient than you are with all those funky characters, regardless of who is the faster typist. When those symbols were built into the standard layout they were mostly unimportant and were placed (appropriately) in obscure locations. But their placement is nonsensical for anyone who actually uses them a lot (ie. lots of people nowadays). I've replaced my entire function row with keys such as "$(){}, so I now have all those symbols right where they should be: next to each other, and next to the numbers, where I also have all 4 math operators -+/* as well as the decimal point.
I struggle to see how any of what you just wrote has anything at all to do with my post.
1. I hate silent switches. They sound mushy and are not satisfying to type on - IMO if you want that kind of feel, just get a membrane keyboard
2. Not all switches need to be lubed and filmed. Especially tactiles
The way influencers promote FOMO is irresponsible. There's always a better keyboard or keyset around the corner, you don't need to kill yourself to chase down this month's hot raffle or GB.
Yesterday I got a shipping notification. For a keycap set that I forgot I had bought. Unpopular Opinion: maybe this hobby is too addictive...
4. I cannot stand blank keycaps, I think they are a waste of money and just do not look that appealing/attractive to me. (I'm currently using Leopold stealth keys, side printed keycaps essentially and I can only just tolerate using these).
5. I think a lot of these esc key replacements, the gas masks, the helmets and all that kind of stuff are just repulsive and why someone would want to put that on their keyboard in the first place is beyond me.
Linears are all 99.9% the same thing, I don't know why people are so obsessed with getting a dozen different linear switches. Tactiles, on the other hand, are much more interesting.
Bluetooth is pure garbage and shouldn't be used for keyboards.
The mechanical keyboard market has been flooded with gimmicks and shilling for switches that are not discernibly better than Cherrys or Gaterons, and the people who claim they do feel different are just experiencing a placebo effect because they want them to feel different.You must not be familiar with Kailh's Box switches, especially their tactile and clickies. The minimal amount of wobble is a nice bonus.
The only switches that really are different enough to be worth the price are Topre and bucking springs.
although i do not agree with his text editor choice :), i see where Vimlover is coming from there, true Kailh innovated a bit with the clickbar and gateron with their MX compatible optical switches, most MX compatible are either a black or brown that has been recolored and at most has a different weighted spring in it, and lower wobble is not really what i would call ground breaking innovation.The mechanical keyboard market has been flooded with gimmicks and shilling for switches that are not discernibly better than Cherrys or Gaterons, and the people who claim they do feel different are just experiencing a placebo effect because they want them to feel different.You must not be familiar with Kailh's Box switches, especially their tactile and clickies. The minimal amount of wobble is a nice bonus.
The only switches that really are different enough to be worth the price are Topre and bucking springs.
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Kailh is the real MVP of the mechanical keyboard community, I don’t think it’s fair to say they “innovated a bit”.although i do not agree with his text editor choice :), i see where Vimlover is coming from there, true Kailh innovated a bit with the clickbar and gateron with their MX compatible optical switches, most MX compatible are either a black or brown that has been recolored and at most has a different weighted spring in it, and lower wobble is not really what i would call ground breaking innovation.The mechanical keyboard market has been flooded with gimmicks and shilling for switches that are not discernibly better than Cherrys or Gaterons, and the people who claim they do feel different are just experiencing a placebo effect because they want them to feel different.You must not be familiar with Kailh's Box switches, especially their tactile and clickies. The minimal amount of wobble is a nice bonus.
The only switches that really are different enough to be worth the price are Topre and bucking springs.
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Bigger tactility =/= better tactile switch.Thock= good mmm yum thockkkk
The modern coiled cabled are useless and unpractical.
Bigger tactility =/= better tactile switch.Thock= good mmm yum thockkkk
The modern coiled cabled are useless and unpractical.
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How wobbly are beam springs?
Wait wait wait. Go UP in switch height? You want more wobble?Not necessarily, it was just an idea I had, a taller switch could have more room for a better mechanism maybe? I just don't see how much more improvment you can make in the small MX switch.
Thock= good mmm yum thockkkkI still don't know what is thock , I thought it was low pitched bottom out sound but seem like people slap the "thock" label on whatever sound they found to be pleasing.
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Unpopular opinions:I think the Backslash button is as worst as the Caps Lock if not more, at least the Caps Lock have a usage for less tech savvy people, but the Backslash, correct me if I'm wrong has very little specific usage mainly in coding, we could have had a big ass enter keycap for everyone, instead we got ANSI and ISO... I diactivate the Backslash button on my keyboards.
1. Normal space bars are stupid and a gigantic waste of space and a waste of everyone's time and money trying to make sure they are stable and spending stupid time and money lubing etc.
2. Caps lock sucks is by far the worst placed key on a keyboard. Tab or Control makes much more sense there. I have caps lock disabled at all times via AHK because it's just a waste of space.
Edit: unironically I am running a GB for SA split spacebars
Wait wait wait. Go UP in switch height? You want more wobble?Not necessarily, it was just an idea I had, a taller switch could have more room for a better mechanism maybe? I just don't see how much more improvment you can make in the small MX switch.
Alps switches aren't much bigger than the MX but as Zeal is working for a very long time on putting a tactile leaf in the MX form factor I'd say that form factor is pretty limited.Thock= good mmm yum thockkkkI still don't know what is thock , I thought it was low pitched bottom out sound but seem like people slap the "thock" label on whatever sound they found to be pleasing.
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Low pitched switch? thock.
Super hollow keyboard? thock.
Stem clacking on the bottom housing? thock.
I like this sound? it's thock.Unpopular opinions:I think the Backslash button is as worst as the Caps Lock if not more, at least the Caps Lock have a usage for less tech savvy people, but the Backslash, correct me if I'm wrong has very little specific usage mainly in coding, we could have had a big ass enter keycap for everyone, instead we got ANSI and ISO... I diactivate the Backslash button on my keyboards.
1. Normal space bars are stupid and a gigantic waste of space and a waste of everyone's time and money trying to make sure they are stable and spending stupid time and money lubing etc.
2. Caps lock sucks is by far the worst placed key on a keyboard. Tab or Control makes much more sense there. I have caps lock disabled at all times via AHK because it's just a waste of space.
Edit: unironically I am running a GB for SA split spacebars
I think the Backslash button is as worst as the Caps Lock if not more, at least the Caps Lock have a usage for less tech savvy people, but the Backslash, correct me if I'm wrong has very little specific usage mainly in coding, we could have had a big ass enter keycap for everyone, instead we got ANSI and ISO... I diactivate the Backslash button on my keyboards.
Same for Delete....I think the Backslash button is as worst as the Caps Lock if not more, at least the Caps Lock have a usage for less tech savvy people, but the Backslash, correct me if I'm wrong has very little specific usage mainly in coding, we could have had a big ass enter keycap for everyone, instead we got ANSI and ISO... I diactivate the Backslash button on my keyboards.
What's the purpose of making the enter key unnecesarily large when it is operated by the smallest finger on your hand?
Since I'm part of the Command Line Master Race I use backslash and pipe quite often. :D
Same for Delete....I think the Backslash button is as worst as the Caps Lock if not more, at least the Caps Lock have a usage for less tech savvy people, but the Backslash, correct me if I'm wrong has very little specific usage mainly in coding, we could have had a big ass enter keycap for everyone, instead we got ANSI and ISO... I diactivate the Backslash button on my keyboards.
What's the purpose of making the enter key unnecesarily large when it is operated by the smallest finger on your hand?
Since I'm part of the Command Line Master Race I use backslash and pipe quite often. :D
Need a type 40 kitting 1800 or similar to full size if that makes any sense.
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I just have a lot of artisans in a boxWhere do you get the majority of your artisans from? I do not have enough... I haven't been as active on Mechmarket as of recent so I feel as if I missing all of the most recent raffles.
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I get most of mine from continually joining raffles the selling some to fund more raffles
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- Anything less than 96% is too small and not very useful
- Multi-device bluetooth switching is required
- Alphas should click. Numerals should click louder. Space bar should wake your spouse. Caps lock, lord forbid, should wake your neighbors
- Anything less than 96% is too small and not very useful
- Multi-device bluetooth switching is required
- Alphas should click. Numerals should click louder. Space bar should wake your spouse. Caps lock, lord forbid, should wake your neighbors
It's a necessary evil for some of us who need to complete our work in all caps.
"caps lock" is merely a cruel torture device
It's a necessary evil for some of us who need to complete our work in all caps.
when your cursive looks like garbage
How can you prefer to write in all caps? It's so woefully inefficient.
It's a necessary evil for some of us who need to complete our work in all caps.Legal requirements or something? Sounds brutal.
It's a necessary evil for some of us who need to complete our work in all caps.Legal requirements or something? Sounds brutal.
The notes on architectural and engineering drawings are still typically done in all caps. I agree that the caps lock key doesn't need to take up such a prominent place on the keyboard and would be perfectly fine on a layer, but it still has uses for some people.
There are autocad shortcuts to make the text uppercase all at once. Furthermore I rarely write in caps... and I do a lot of drawings.
The computer keyboard is like the US Government - it worked fine when it was introduced, and now it is woefully ineffective because it hasn't recognized that a lot of things have changed.
If 30 years ago, they had replaced the F1-F12 buttons with three big buttons for "Copy", "Paste", and "Switch" (Alt+Tab), we would have flying cars by now. (JK the benefits of all of that productivity would have gone to the rich and Bezos would be a trillionaire, but it's nice to imagine a world where both keyboards and the US Government had evolved.)
Setting up personalized keyboard shortcuts and macros somehow has not become an intuitive, easy to use, integrated part of the OS that almost everyone does. You don't have a set of preconfigured keyboard profiles stored in the cloud that you can use on any computer just by logging in.
The whole numpad area should be replaced with a column of 4u LED buttons whose text functionality can be set manually by users and developers. We still don't have a set of buttons that just are shortcuts to the most commonly used functionalities of whatever application you're using. We could have AI do this! It wouldn't even be that hard! Most of my code gets written by Github Copilot now, all I do is hit tab, but god forbid I accidentally open VIM, I have to remember the sequence of characters required to close it? Remote controls for smart tv's now have voice recognition, and yet the functionality of keyboards hasn't improved at all.
Agree somewhat, whilst am wary giving my money to Chinese products in protest of that country's government policies (and proudly switched - excuse the pun - back to Cherry) they have - to give them their due - progressed beyond clones. I wonder if the firm could ditch the MX-mount in favour of their hollow stem mount used on the KO switch. As well as the technical benefits for backlighting owning their mount offers an opportunity to own the whole design.
Kailh is the real MVP of the mechanical keyboard community, I don’t think it’s fair to say they “innovated a bit”.
While the crowd mentality seems to be stuck on revolving around countless recolors, dozens of HP style switch every month, hype and useless aesthetics, Kailh is actually trying to push this community forward, and they do whatever they can on the limited MX form factor.
Hot swap sockets [and v2] (!!), click bar, BOX design, round BOX design, their collabs with NK_ (Creams, BB, Muted Jades), and much more.
Maybe if we’re not going to ditch the MX form factor, the next step is to go up in switch height?…
BTW, I agree that the MX switch family tree isn’t that different from each other when you look at the 100s of versions of the HP style switch, or countless versions of the linear switches, but you can’t honestly say you don’t feel a difference between a Cherry MX Brown and Boba U4T for example, or BOX Jade vs Cherry MX Blue.
Maybe in comparison to something entirely different such as buckling springs or topre the variations in the MX world seems minuscule, I wouldn’t know I haven’t used anything other than MX type switches, but you can definitely feel a difference when using different weights and tactile mechanisms.
- Anything less than 96% is too small and not very useful
Likewise, people have big conversations about the cost of GMK keycaps. It's astonishing it's even a subject, since there are rubber-dome keyboards out there with basically rubber keycaps. Or super-cheap thin mass-produced dye-sub.
We're all talking about the intricacies of sort of 3D printing shaped-plastic [double-shot keycaps], lots of expense and shipping and human labour involved - this shouldn't even exist.
Yes, we all want customized keycaps [and one size doesn't fit all], but this is like a 1960s technology we're still struggling with, when the most efficient manufacturing methods have probably moved on from double-shot plastic.
This may be absolute heresy on a board like this, but I kinda like rubber domes more than mechanical switches. Idk, but I find I type faster on them. Maybe because I'm used to MX reds which are too light for me and I tend to mis-hit keys.
southpaw boards are better for everyone, regardless of handedness.
for people who build spreadsheets it allows use of the mouse or cursor keys in the right hand and numpad in the left. for people who spend most of their time typing it allows you to more easily center your alpha cluster in front of your monitor. for gamers it shrinks the distance between your hands. ironically, lefties are the only group of people where the benefits become a little shaky
This may be absolute heresy on a board like this, but I kinda like rubber domes more than mechanical switches. Idk, but I find I type faster on them. Maybe because I'm used to MX reds which are too light for me and I tend to mis-hit keys.
Totally legit man. A lot of people in real life are like that. Have you tried blues?
It's a necessary evil for some of us who need to complete our work in all caps.
"caps lock" is merely a cruel torture device
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Plate mount stabs are superior to pcb mount stabs, and I never had a plate mount stab or wire pop out even with super tight keycaps.
Also, there's no reason for screw in plate mount stabs to not be invented already.
I dont think 60% keyboards arent pratical, its a matter of use, for someone who heavily coding or making some works under excel or such software,
1. majority of keyboard youtubers just regurgitate each other, offer little to no value to the community, their opinions are regurgitated amongst themselves and are all shills. the fact that some of them have made tutorials on, for example, how to lube switches, and still pay others to lube their switches is not worth respecting
2. expensive keyboards does not equal custom keyboards, its just buying really good engineering
3. cherry profile and keyboard angles need to be obsolete
4. PBT over ABS all day
5. someones heavy modded gk61 with aliexpress keycaps and twenty mods looks better to me than someones Mr Suit
I dont think 60% keyboards arent pratical, its a matter of use, for someone who heavily coding or making some works under excel or such software,
So you think they're practical or not? Double negative :D1. majority of keyboard youtubers just regurgitate each other, offer little to no value to the community, their opinions are regurgitated amongst themselves and are all shills. the fact that some of them have made tutorials on, for example, how to lube switches, and still pay others to lube their switches is not worth respecting
2. expensive keyboards does not equal custom keyboards, its just buying really good engineering
3. cherry profile and keyboard angles need to be obsolete
4. PBT over ABS all day
5. someones heavy modded gk61 with aliexpress keycaps and twenty mods looks better to me than someones Mr Suit
Agreed on point 1, especially true for keyboard memetubers that focus on clickbait rather than thoughtful reviews. Don't wanna say names, you probably already know who.
Point 2 is self contradicting. A DIY kit, cheap or expensive is as custom as it gets because it includes no stabs, switches, or keycaps; and you get to choose plate material and decide if you install foam or not. For this reason no 2 DIY kits will sound or feel the same. How does this NOT equal a custom keyboard in your eyes?
Point 3 and 5 totally follow the purpose of this thread :D
Point 4 does not follow the purpose of this thread.
provided the person doesnt just end up putting Jades in their board, its guaranteed to sound good.
I dont think 60% keyboards arent pratical, its a matter of use, for someone who heavily coding or making some works under excel or such software,
I dont think 60% keyboards arent pratical, its a matter of use, for someone who heavily coding or making some works under excel or such software,
I just like 65% much more, arrow keys are a gamechanger for me.
With QMK 60% is very usable for people who dependent on arrow keys, the right modifiers become arrows on tap with original function on holdI dont think 60% keyboards arent pratical, its a matter of use, for someone who heavily coding or making some works under excel or such software,
I just like 65% much more, arrow keys are a gamechanger for me.
Yup. I think the ideal form factor/layout is the 68 key boards like the Miya Pro. Everything you need, nothing you don't...
I agree with you, a lot of youtube video don't consider people needs and budget when making videos... Some (not all) try to impress with really expensive spectacular built, but it dos not serve the community.. That's why I start my channel, it is not spectacular, and I don't have 3 500 000 of views by videos and 28 000 subscribers, but I make video thinking of the needs I have when I'm looking to buy switches, plate, keycaps... That really can help for the community (I think...).If I may, you might want to consider using a more neutral sounding keyboard, the Tofu along with the brass plate gives a very metallic sound signature that takes over the sound of the switches.
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Personnaly, I can't stand PBT keycaps (ecxcept for IBM Model M - F), ABS doubleshot for the win ! haha
Yup. I think the ideal form factor/layout is the 68 key boards like the Miya Pro. Everything you need, nothing you don't...Show Image(https://mechanicalkeyboards.com/shop/images/products/large_MY68C2WLLPn2Ba_main.jpg)
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Okay, so no number pad—but no function keys? How do you control your sound volume or display brightness? And how do you repeat searches (F3)? Do you use a third-party brightness-control utility instead, whose shortcut keys you can choose? And set up a key-combination for Find Next?
I love f-keys. They give you a whole extra row of keys to use with custom shortcuts (which I use for scripts I've coded, extended characters like dashes, "bullets", etc.).
I get the TKL thing—your mouse is closer, okay. But what's so objectionable about f-keys? They take up no horizontal space, and what do you gain by having 1" more space between your keyboard and display?
Unpopular opinions? Let me see...depending on the situation, i'd say it is objectively true
- Clickies are the worst type of switch.
- Cheap Tai Hao Caps are better value than most GMK setsThis is just true, GMK is extremely bad value, but most peoples buying GMK sets are not about the value, but the aesthetics and legacy of them.
- Getting into customs is way too difficult for most people, and getting into vintage keyboards is almost indecipherable.Some companies are trying to make custom easier, like GMMK and WASD from the top of my head, and for vintage yeah it is a mess but peoples at deskauthority are also keeping a good repository of them helping to make more sense :)
- Garish colors have no place on a keyboard, nor does RGBthat is opinion :) and i would tend to agree even though i do own a bright pink keyboard
All 60%+ keebs should have a hotswap option.i would love to live in a world with a 122% hotswap :) (and no not the Boston, if i want my 122% i want a full bottom row :))
- Clickies are the worst type of switch.
- Cheap Tai Hao Caps are better value than most GMK sets
- Getting into customs is way too difficult for most people, and getting into vintage keyboards is almost indecipherable.
- Garish colors have no place on a keyboard, nor does RGB
First off, I see that you've very recently joined. I don't watch the New Members posts as aggressively as I had been able to in the past. Welcome to our eclectic and eccentric band of lunatics. :DThanks, I decided to make an account on this and DT after I needed a place to sell some keeb related stuff but REALLY didn't want to make a reddit account (I cut free from that place and have no intention of going back)
MX clickies, having now had a more rounded/broader experience, are pretty objectively bad. I wouldn't put them below the worst MX tactiles ... but not far behind.I haven't been able to get a full board, but I have tried fidget style single switches and I have to say that the blue and white alps I've tried feel a bit too soft. Now obviously I can't claim that some loose switches speak for a switch as a whole, but that's just been my take. It's not a bad thing, but I'd love to try some alps tactiles as I really like heavy tactility (Hopefully I could even find some amber alps). I've also tried click bar switches and found them to be dissapointing. My box navies aren't tactile enough for me, though I did like the light crisp feeling of Kailh Choc whites. Maybe it's the weight of the switch that's drowning out the tactility. A buckling springs board is next on my list, though it probably won't be for a while since I may have spent a little much on my upcoming Clickiez build.
What do you consider to be custom?A custom IMHO is something made from either a kit or a series of parts (PCB, case, etc, etc)
What do you need deciphered about vintage boards?Where to get them, how to tell a good deal, read part numbers, and generally not get taken for a ride. I've been told all the usual answers of ebay, thrift stores, recycling centers, and whatnot but because of where I am a vintage keyboard is as rare as it gets in the wild.
I'm not Chyros (who you should binge watch if you want to go down that rabbit hole)Funny you should mention him, he's what really got me into the hobby. I remember spending hours working on school projects with his videos on my second monitor. Not the biggest fan anymore, but he's still got some quality stuff.
At least one member of the human race thought that this was a good keyboard design:
Yikes, "JIZZ"?! But yes, it's an actual product name
At least one member of the human race thought that this was a good keyboard design:
QuoteFirst off, I see that you've very recently joined. I don't watch the New Members posts as aggressively as I had been able to in the past. Welcome to our eclectic and eccentric band of lunatics. :DThanks, I decided to make an account on this and DT after I needed a place to sell some keeb related stuff but REALLY didn't want to make a reddit account (I cut free from that place and have no intention of going back)
QuoteMX clickies, having now had a more rounded/broader experience, are pretty objectively bad. I wouldn't put them below the worst MX tactiles ... but not far behind.I haven't been able to get a full board, but I have tried fidget style single switches and I have to say that the blue and white alps I've tried feel a bit too soft. Now obviously I can't claim that some loose switches speak for a switch as a whole, but that's just been my take. It's not a bad thing, but I'd love to try some alps tactiles as I really like heavy tactility (Hopefully I could even find some amber alps). I've also tried click bar switches and found them to be dissapointing. My box navies aren't tactile enough for me, though I did like the light crisp feeling of Kailh Choc whites. Maybe it's the weight of the switch that's drowning out the tactility. A buckling springs board is next on my list, though it probably won't be for a while since I may have spent a little much on my upcoming Clickiez build.
QuoteWhat do you consider to be custom?A custom IMHO is something made from either a kit or a series of parts (PCB, case, etc, etc)
I have legitimately no clue how anyone is supposed to match up PCBs with cases that aren't explicitly made for one another and the explanation I was given was essentially that it was a roll of the dice.
QuoteWhat do you need deciphered about vintage boards?Where to get them, how to tell a good deal, read part numbers, and generally not get taken for a ride. I've been told all the usual answers of ebay, thrift stores, recycling centers, and whatnot but because of where I am a vintage keyboard is as rare as it gets in the wild.QuoteI'm not Chyros (who you should binge watch if you want to go down that rabbit hole)Funny you should mention him, he's what really got me into the hobby. I remember spending hours working on school projects with his videos on my second monitor. Not the biggest fan anymore, but he's still got some quality stuff.
At least one member of the human race thought that this was a good keyboard design:
My problems with reddit come from the culture of the site itself. It's like twitter, which I also avoid like the plague. Either way tho, r/MK was pretty much just a fashion show of gaudy MX builds. Your pretty spot on :PQuoteFirst off, I see that you've very recently joined. I don't watch the New Members posts as aggressively as I had been able to in the past. Welcome to our eclectic and eccentric band of lunatics. :DThanks, I decided to make an account on this and DT after I needed a place to sell some keeb related stuff but REALLY didn't want to make a reddit account (I cut free from that place and have no intention of going back)
Reddit always seemed to me to be way too sporadic and unorganized to be useful for literally anything other than asking a specific question that (hopefully) a few people will ever find while still relevant, or looking back at such historical posts based on a Google search.
There's a wide variation in feel between different examples of SKCM whites, the idea behind that being that they were likely being manufactured in various factories. There's some minor variation in SKCM blues as the design was revised. My favorite SKCM boards have pretty stiff tactility compared to anything mainstream, but you sound like you're looking for something pretty extreme. I have loose SKCM and Matias switches and they do feel significantly less tactile to me outside of a board than my perception of them mounted in a board, used at a realistic typing angle. I have not tried ambers myself, since I prefer clickies anyway. They're probably a good lead for you.I'll try to get an AEK then. Always liked the look of those, so I guess that's going on my vintage wishlist (It'll probably cost and arm and a leg and I really don't have the cash rn so I guess I'll wait on that one :) )
I would skip buckling spring entirely if you want extreme tactility, depending on what specifically about tactility you're looking for. Buckling spring has a steep buildup of spring pressure just before the spring buckles. The buckling event itself, however, is only very lightly tactile. Extremely crisp and pleasant in the case of capacitive buckling spring ... but probably not what you're looking for.Actually funny thing. I either like extreme tactility, or light clickies. I remember trying white chocs and liking them a lot, so hopefully buckling springs will be a nice change :)
I'll try to get an AEK
I'll try to get an AEK then. Always liked the look of those, so I guess that's going on my vintage wishlist (It'll probably cost and arm and a leg and I really don't have the cash rn so I guess I'll wait on that one :) )I bought an AEK in fantastic condition for £250.
QuoteI would skip buckling spring entirely if you want extreme tactility, depending on what specifically about tactility you're looking for. Buckling spring has a steep buildup of spring pressure just before the spring buckles. The buckling event itself, however, is only very lightly tactile. Extremely crisp and pleasant in the case of capacitive buckling spring ... but probably not what you're looking for.Actually funny thing. I either like extreme tactility, or light clickies. I remember trying white chocs and liking them a lot, so hopefully buckling springs will be a nice change :)
I'll try to get an AEK then. Always liked the look of those, so I guess that's going on my vintage wishlist (It'll probably cost and arm and a leg and I really don't have the cash rn so I guess I'll wait on that one :) )QuoteI bought an AEK in fantastic condition for £250.
Capacitive buckling spring is pretty expensive to potentially find out you don't like them. Hopefully meetups start becoming more common again for situations like this.I just got a cheap 2017 Unicomp Model M with MBS. I'm willing to put 50 bucks down on a Model M even if I don't like the switches :)
Capacitive buckling spring is pretty expensive to potentially find out you don't like them. Hopefully meetups start becoming more common again for situations like this.I just got a cheap 2017 Unicomp Model M with MBS. I'm willing to put 50 bucks down on a Model M even if I don't like the switches :)
Here's something that came into my mind today.
Aluminum is the best sounding plate material.
I found that PC brings out the worst aspects in the board and switches in particular and CF is just lifeless.Here's something that came into my mind today.
Aluminum is the best sounding plate material.
I love both aluminum and steel plates. I haven't really tried any of the hipster ones though unless it was inadvertently.
I found that PC brings out the worst aspects in the board and switches in particular and CF is just lifeless.Here's something that came into my mind today.
Aluminum is the best sounding plate material.
I love both aluminum and steel plates. I haven't really tried any of the hipster ones though unless it was inadvertently.
Here's something that came into my mind today.(https://i.imgur.com/enisUvd.jpg)
Aluminum is the best sounding plate material.
What about brass? I haven't tried it, but I have a few of them ready for boards, if I ever get to them. My concern was always mostly with rigidity. I like my boards robust and rigid. Not that PC and CF aren't also very strong materials. I also actually like pingy/reverberant materials.I haven't tried brass but I like it's sound profile, it's muted but somewhat higher pitched. I've read it's supposed to be more rigid than Alu so you might quite like it.
Tray mount is fine for most people.I actually prefer hard mounting over softer, something about softer mounting types feels flimsy
Well I just got it in today. The keyfeel is a bit inconsistent and I wasn't a fan of the tactility at first, but after typing a bit on it I'm very happy with my purchase! Really makes me want to try the model F when I can get the chance :)Capacitive buckling spring is pretty expensive to potentially find out you don't like them. Hopefully meetups start becoming more common again for situations like this.I just got a cheap 2017 Unicomp Model M with MBS. I'm willing to put 50 bucks down on a Model M even if I don't like the switches :)
Very different animals. I was still a Cherry MX zombie when I first bought a venerable Model M. I disliked the weighting, mushy bottoming out and inconsistency of feel and sound (don't recall if that particular one needs a screw or bolt mod). It was enough to send me straight back to MX blue of all things. It was a cheap F XT that finally sent me through a time machine to the 80s for good.
Having tried way more unique mechanisms these days, I can't go back to MX blue ... but I'm still not particularly fond of membrane buckling spring either.
Reminder that Model M is **** to type on in modern life.If you think the Model M is stiff then I can't help you man :P
Seriously, WTF is this stiff Model M nonsense???
At least Model F makes sense. Model M is just plasticy, stiff ****.
Reminder that Model M is **** to type on in modern life.Really? (https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20220322/2639887ceb87245c9bd7bfe5cbf6875f.jpg)
Seriously, WTF is this stiff Model M nonsense???
At least Model F makes sense. Model M is just plasticy, stiff ****.
Yeah, but unless you have really stable switches, Cherry profile is necessary to reduce wobble, as compared with taller profiles.
I would say that's probably the most popular opinion. People seem to tend to write off clickies entirely before they've ever tried any good ones ... unfortunately. I was weird and actually liked MX blue (people make mistakes), but it isn't like much besides MX red in that family is common enough to appeal to the senseless masses anyway as an alternative. MX clear and black are too niche, MX brown is ... well ... MX brown.
The fact that I was once a mutant space alien who actually liked MX blue is probably all that allowed me an open enough mind to go down the wonderful rabbit hole of niche and/or vintage clicky mechanisms ... many of which are simply fantastic. Unequaled, in my opinion ... and I'm pretty sure that is the minority opinion in places outside of Deskthority.
MX clickies, having now had a more rounded/broader experience, are pretty objectively bad. I wouldn't put them below the worst MX tactiles ... but not far behind. If you haven't tried any good alternative mechanisms, however, you don't really have a leg to stand on in making that statement.
I would say that's probably the most popular opinion. People seem to tend to write off clickies entirely before they've ever tried any good ones ... unfortunately. I was weird and actually liked MX blue (people make mistakes), but it isn't like much besides MX red in that family is common enough to appeal to the senseless masses anyway as an alternative. MX clear and black are too niche, MX brown is ... well ... MX brown.
The fact that I was once a mutant space alien who actually liked MX blue is probably all that allowed me an open enough mind to go down the wonderful rabbit hole of niche and/or vintage clicky mechanisms ... many of which are simply fantastic. Unequaled, in my opinion ... and I'm pretty sure that is the minority opinion in places outside of Deskthority.
MX clickies, having now had a more rounded/broader experience, are pretty objectively bad. I wouldn't put them below the worst MX tactiles ... but not far behind. If you haven't tried any good alternative mechanisms, however, you don't really have a leg to stand on in making that statement.
As a noob as well, what would you recommend for clicky switches to try out? I've played with a couple tactiles and I'm starting to get into linear, but I do want to try some clicky switches, I just don't know where to start with them.
And if you are just getting into this, a hotswap macropad is a really good place to start.
Good luck in your search for the perfect clicky switch :)
XDA and DSA profile are slept on and one of the best profiles.Hi satan!
- Clickies are the worst type of switch.
I would say that's probably the most popular opinion. People seem to tend to write off clickies entirely before they've ever tried any good ones...
To me, clicy switches come in three distinct categories:- Clickies are the worst type of switch.
I would say that's probably the most popular opinion. People seem to tend to write off clickies entirely before they've ever tried any good ones...
That's because they can't appreciate the fun of typing on clickety clackety switches that make everything they type seem vivid, important, and attention-getting! Whee!
It's an emotion-based thing. There's no logical reason anyone would prefer to type on a clicky keeb. It's an animal pleasure—like walking on the beach with bare feet, or running your hand through a cold stream. Or eating Magnum Bars (https://www.magnumicecream.com/ca/en/home.html), which no rational person who cares about their health would have more than, say, one of a month. But does that stop the rest of us? Nooo!! Nor does it stop us from delighting in typing on clicky keyboards. It's just something you've got to do, when it's something you like that much. Clickety-click!
I suppose that's an Unpopular Keyboard Opinion, then. How unusually appropriate.
Well I just got it in today. The keyfeel is a bit inconsistent and I wasn't a fan of the tactility at first, but after typing a bit on it I'm very happy with my purchase! Really makes me want to try the model F when I can get the chance :)Capacitive buckling spring is pretty expensive to potentially find out you don't like them. Hopefully meetups start becoming more common again for situations like this.I just got a cheap 2017 Unicomp Model M with MBS. I'm willing to put 50 bucks down on a Model M even if I don't like the switches :)
Very different animals. I was still a Cherry MX zombie when I first bought a venerable Model M. I disliked the weighting, mushy bottoming out and inconsistency of feel and sound (don't recall if that particular one needs a screw or bolt mod). It was enough to send me straight back to MX blue of all things. It was a cheap F XT that finally sent me through a time machine to the 80s for good.
Having tried way more unique mechanisms these days, I can't go back to MX blue ... but I'm still not particularly fond of membrane buckling spring either.
Matias Silent Tactile switches are superior to Alps SKCM. The “bump” at the bottom helps avoid bottoming out and the rubber helps return the key so typing is easier. I’m over clickiness.
How's the quality control for Matias boards? I ordered a Quiet Pro in 2012 and ended up returning it because the build was quite shoddy, and the switch feel was all over the place.
Isn't the UNICOMP version a little lighter? Maybe try that.
I've been meaning to give Matias silent tactile a serious try. I remember the loud clicky tactile being good with some tuning, but some say the silent switches are underwhelming.
Do they have the nomenclature backwards? Like the silent clicky is actually a no-click tactile, and the Matias Tactile Pro is actually a clicky?
I would say that's probably the most popular opinion. People seem to tend to write off clickies entirely before they've ever tried any good ones ... unfortunately. I was weird and actually liked MX blue (people make mistakes), but it isn't like much besides MX red in that family is common enough to appeal to the senseless masses anyway as an alternative. MX clear and black are too niche, MX brown is ... well ... MX brown.
The fact that I was once a mutant space alien who actually liked MX blue is probably all that allowed me an open enough mind to go down the wonderful rabbit hole of niche and/or vintage clicky mechanisms ... many of which are simply fantastic. Unequaled, in my opinion ... and I'm pretty sure that is the minority opinion in places outside of Deskthority.
MX clickies, having now had a more rounded/broader experience, are pretty objectively bad. I wouldn't put them below the worst MX tactiles ... but not far behind. If you haven't tried any good alternative mechanisms, however, you don't really have a leg to stand on in making that statement.
As a noob as well, what would you recommend for clicky switches to try out? I've played with a couple tactiles and I'm starting to get into linear, but I do want to try some clicky switches, I just don't know where to start with them.
- Clickies are the worst type of switch.
I would say that's probably the most popular opinion. People seem to tend to write off clickies entirely before they've ever tried any good ones...
That's because they can't appreciate the fun of typing on clickety clackety switches that make everything they type seem vivid, important, and attention-getting! Whee!
It's an emotion-based thing. There's no logical reason anyone would prefer to type on a clicky keeb. It's an animal pleasure—like walking on the beach with bare feet, or running your hand through a cold stream. Or eating Magnum Bars (https://www.magnumicecream.com/ca/en/home.html), which no rational person who cares about their health would have more than, say, one of a month. But does that stop the rest of us? Nooo!! Nor does it stop us from delighting in typing on clicky keyboards. It's just something you've got to do, when it's something you like that much. Clickety-click!
I suppose that's an Unpopular Keyboard Opinion, then. How unusually appropriate.
I'd still say clickies are my least favorite type of switch, but these are a nice change of pace. Just got a board with Orange ALPS (ASK) and that blew me away. Still prefer my Zealios V2s just for the pure T A C T I L I T Y but it's definitely my second favorite board post waxboil.Well I just got it in today. The keyfeel is a bit inconsistent and I wasn't a fan of the tactility at first, but after typing a bit on it I'm very happy with my purchase! Really makes me want to try the model F when I can get the chance :)Capacitive buckling spring is pretty expensive to potentially find out you don't like them. Hopefully meetups start becoming more common again for situations like this.I just got a cheap 2017 Unicomp Model M with MBS. I'm willing to put 50 bucks down on a Model M even if I don't like the switches :)
Very different animals. I was still a Cherry MX zombie when I first bought a venerable Model M. I disliked the weighting, mushy bottoming out and inconsistency of feel and sound (don't recall if that particular one needs a screw or bolt mod). It was enough to send me straight back to MX blue of all things. It was a cheap F XT that finally sent me through a time machine to the 80s for good.
Having tried way more unique mechanisms these days, I can't go back to MX blue ... but I'm still not particularly fond of membrane buckling spring either.
So you've already gone from hating clickies to beginning down the rabbit hole of vintage clickies. It is an abyss from which you can never escape ... and you'll probably not want to anyway.
I'd still say clickies are my least favorite type of switch, but these are a nice change of pace. Just got a board with Orange ALPS (ASK) and that blew me away. Still prefer my Zealios V2s just for the pure T A C T I L I T Y but it's definitely my second favorite board post waxboil.
You haven't tried Orange Alps?
Maybe it's time that you did so. It's like the Blue Alps of tactiles. Try a clean one at a meetup. And although some people are against it, it's fine to lube them. Orange Alps is still significantly more tactile than MX, so it's fine to mod the switch to be a little more easygoing.
Orange ALPS are heavily affected by switch condition. I've tried hand-restored Orange ALPS, lubed Orange ALPS, and Orange ALPS that were in about 65% condition. There is a distinct difference between all of them.
And you aren't getting the real experience with ~65% condition. The magic probably comes at 80% and higher.
Orange ALPS are heavily affected by switch condition. I've tried hand-restored Orange ALPS, lubed Orange ALPS, and Orange ALPS that were in about 65% condition. There is a distinct difference between all of them.Hey, I just waxmodded some orange alps! Can confirm, condition is a MAJOR factor. Before cleaning and modding they felt like complete, un-tactile, ass. Make sure you at least give them a clean.
And you aren't getting the real experience with ~65% condition. The magic probably comes at 80% and higher.
Orange ALPS are heavily affected by switch condition. I've tried hand-restored Orange ALPS, lubed Orange ALPS, and Orange ALPS that were in about 65% condition. There is a distinct difference between all of them.Hey, I just waxmodded some orange alps! Can confirm, condition is a MAJOR factor. Before cleaning and modding they felt like complete, un-tactile, ass. Make sure you at least give them a clean.
And you aren't getting the real experience with ~65% condition. The magic probably comes at 80% and higher.
i despise the PE foam mod, it ruins the uniqueness in switches and boards and makes every single board sound like marbles.
It can sound good but you ideally don't want 15 boards all sounding the same with hundreds of dollars of price difference
i despise the PE foam mod, it ruins the uniqueness in switches and boards and makes every single board sound like marbles.I agree with a small caveat. There's certain boards it works for, but seeing people just cram it into everything is annoying. I love some thock, but not every board has to thock.
It can sound good but you ideally don't want 15 boards all sounding the same with hundreds of dollars of price difference
i despise the PE foam mod, it ruins the uniqueness in switches and boards and makes every single board sound like marbles.The problem with saying "It makes most boards sound the same!" is that the kind of person who not only buys multiple boards, but cares how they sound and wants them all to sound different is a minority of a minority, even in the keyboard hobby.
It can sound good but you ideally don't want 15 boards all sounding the same with hundreds of dollars of price difference
topre is overpriced rubber domes with a spring capacitive PCB, cheap capacitive controller cheap to make I can make model f ones in low quantity for less than 20 and those use a pro micro and JLC PCB parts rubber domes CHEAPER than a thrift shop dell l100 case made of plastic CHEAP dye-sub PBT keycaps not that expensive
Stepped caps lock is overrated
Stepped caps lock is overrated
I LOVE stepped key caps.
topre is overpriced rubber domes with a spring capacitive PCB, cheap capacitive controller cheap to make I can make model f ones in low quantity for less than 20 and those use a pro micro and JLC PCB parts rubber domes CHEAPER than a thrift shop dell l100 case made of plastic CHEAP dye-sub PBT keycaps not that expensiveIf I could parse this, I'd applaud you for destroying topre with facts and logic
They look so good, but they're just get in the way. For caps lock I could definitely swing it because it'd prevent me from hitting caps during video games, but stuff like the enter would just fuuuuuck with me.Stepped caps lock is overrated
I LOVE stepped key caps.
topre is overpriced rubber domes with a spring capacitive PCB, cheap capacitive controller cheap to make I can make model f ones in low quantity for less than 20 and those use a pro micro and JLC PCB parts rubber domes CHEAPER than a thrift shop dell l100 case made of plastic CHEAP dye-sub PBT keycaps not that expensiveIf I could parse this, I'd applaud you for destroying topre with facts and logic
My opinions, worth what you pay for them:
- SA-P is the best key profile I have ever worked with. SA non-profiled (all R3, for example) is a nightmare.
- The current backspace key needs to be two keys ( \| and ~`), The Backspace key needs to be (a 1.5u) just above the Return key, Control directly left of 'A', and CAPS LOCK moved someplace where you won't hit it accidentally.
- Win keys make great remappable combo keys on non Windows boxes.
- All keyboards need Super, Hyper, Meta, AND Alt.
- Glowy is overrated unless and until you can get custom 2-shot backlit-compatible keys. I wish I could find a set of Oblotzky ASCII caps (SA-P) in backlightable, but probably not in my lifetime.
- There should be two rows of F-keys [F1-12 and, above it, F13-24]. I'd say there should be a 2x5 bank of left-hand F-keys as well but I can do with having a separate keypad for that.
- Compact FF keyboards are HIGHLY overrated. I have one and even mapped out it's a royal pain in the left patella to use.
- Artisan keycaps are HIGHLY overrated.
- The "Media Keys" on keyboards, with the exception of mute and the volume knob, really need to just be standard switch keys above the NP if one exists; or in a vertical row of 4 on the far right if not.
- Print Screen/Scroll Lock/Break need to be moved down one row.
- The 1800 layout is off-putting (but it might be worth a look).
Well, it is a psuedo 1800, but I LOVE the extra row of F keys on my Boston (link in signature)
i also think that you should never EVER use tactiles on a plateless board, all the bounce combined with the bump just feels too weirdnow you make me want to try to feel it, if only i had tactile switches around... and a pcb i was willing to "sacrifice"
r/budgetkeyboards is the new "stop gatekeeping our gatekeeping" corner.Imagine using reddit.
r/mechanicalkeyboards is the new spot for budgetkeebs and GMK hate .
r/customkeebs is the only place worth visiting anymore... aside from GH.
My reasoning... post a nice custom board on r/mk with GMK caps and people will ignore it because "must be nice to be rich". Post the same board on r/ck where they legit have only 10% as many viewers and it'll get upvoted like crazy because they actually like nice stuff there.
Forget about budget keebs... they banned me for telling someone Gateron makes better products than Akko and their milky yellows are cheaper than most anything Akko sells. Got banned for "sharing my opinion as a fact" LMFAO but the mods will claim up and down I was harassing someone... too bad I got receipts from when a mod let me back in because "I dont see anything youve done wrong". LOL
Imagine using reddit.
Imagine using reddit.
I can't.
I have looked at it a few times but I can't understand it.
Sometimes when I’m looking for a normal person opinion I’ll just search something like “xxxx recommendation Reddit”I assume you use the opposite of what comes up on reddit, because dear lord are there some ****stains on reddit, and oh boy do they love to spread their god awful opinions.
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r/mechanicalkeyboards is the new spot for budgetkeebs and GMK hate .r/mk is just a comedically large echo chamber of GMK groupbuys and generic-ass 60%s and 65%s. Basically, there's really nothing spectacular in that subreddit.
r/budgetkeyboards is the new "stop gatekeeping our gatekeeping" corner.
r/mechanicalkeyboards is the new spot for budgetkeebs and GMK hate .
r/customkeebs is the only place worth visiting anymore... aside from GH.
My reasoning... post a nice custom board on r/mk with GMK caps and people will ignore it because "must be nice to be rich". Post the same board on r/ck where they legit have only 10% as many viewers and it'll get upvoted like crazy because they actually like nice stuff there.
Forget about budget keebs... they banned me for telling someone Gateron makes better products than Akko and their milky yellows are cheaper than most anything Akko sells. Got banned for "sharing my opinion as a fact" LMFAO but the mods will claim up and down I was harassing someone... too bad I got receipts from when a mod let me back in because "I dont see anything youve done wrong". LOL
if i have to see xda matcha or xda bee honey one more time i'm gonna vomit on my realforce r2
if i have to see xda matcha or xda bee honey one more time i'm gonna vomit on my realforce r2Show Image(https://i.imgur.com/Vadmh4p.jpeg)
I also put it on a generic 65% for your viewing pleasure. Hope you noticed.
It's just for laughs, as I don't type on XDA profile.
I actually agree that there are way too many 65% keyboards posted on r/mk. I don't find it to be a space that caters to my preferences.
if i have to see xda matcha or xda bee honey one more time i'm gonna vomit on my realforce r2Show Image(https://i.imgur.com/Vadmh4p.jpeg)
Get yo old ass head out of the ****in ground and start using the newer stuff.
Vintage keyboards are absoulout ****. Yall really need to start using newer keyboards. Get yo old ass head out of the ****in ground and start using the newer stuff.
Vintage keyboards are absoulout ****. Yall really need to start using newer keyboards. Get yo old ass head out of the ****in ground and start using the newer stuff.Hey you're that guy from like, two days ago, who made a whiny piss baby post about vintage computers or something. Bit of advice, come up with a less obvious alt.
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Looks very nice!
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Looks very nice!
Thanks. I think the gray / smoky transparent cases go well with green sets [Matcha, Botanical], but it can be divisive.
Other people frequently use Dolch-like sets, including Modern Dolch. I've put MT3 3277 on a charcoal MK870, which looks good. But sometimes, the Dolch sets are too drab on charcoal, IMHO.
Beige vintage caps are better than granite/charcoal/gray capsI feel like this is the popular opinion here, given the number of beige sets we've seen along with all the beige add-on kits.
Probably. The more I read this thread the more I realize I have popular opinions.Beige vintage caps are better than granite/charcoal/gray capsI feel like this is the popular opinion here, given the number of beige sets we've seen along with all the beige add-on kits.
Beige vintage caps are better than granite/charcoal/gray caps
Beige vintage caps are better than granite/charcoal/gray caps
I'm forced to use PBT. I melt ABS like a mother****er.Beige vintage caps are better than granite/charcoal/gray caps
This is correct. However, the question is if they should be ABS-DS, or PBT.
I'm forced to use PBT. I melt ABS like a mother****er.Beige vintage caps are better than granite/charcoal/gray caps
This is correct. However, the question is if they should be ABS-DS, or PBT.
Yeah :(I'm forced to use PBT. I melt ABS like a mother****er.Beige vintage caps are better than granite/charcoal/gray caps
This is correct. However, the question is if they should be ABS-DS, or PBT.
Heavy fingers, pal?
my unpopular opinion here is that i dont like any keyboard that oesn't have standart mx style switches.
topre-rubber basically a membrane that activates mid travel aalso expensive
alps- heard they have good clickies but they dont work for standard pcbs now and are hard to get and im talking about original ones
buckling spring- heard that original ibm keyboards are pretty expensive also old and only clicky not removable too
other strange old switches -no
my unpopular opinion here is that i dont like any keyboard that oesn't have standart mx style switches.Don't discount Alps tactiles. The clickies are very nice, but the tactiles are also very neato as well. I used to think that ALPS were hard to find as well, but really all you need to do is spend some time on the deskthority wiki and ebay/craigslist and you can find some really good deals. I assume you're newer to this hobby so I'll say this, it's the best advice I ever got. "Don't form an opinion on something until you've tried it."
topre-rubber basically a membrane that activates mid travel aalso expensive
alps- heard they have good clickies but they dont work for standard pcbs now and are hard to get and im talking about original ones
buckling spring- heard that original ibm keyboards are pretty expensive also old and only clicky not removable too
other strange old switches -no
i wanted to type about that i haven't tried any of these switches but im on kindle (don't ask why) so i coluldn't continue writing where i wanted. maybe there waas something about alps tactiles but i just forgotmy unpopular opinion here is that i dont like any keyboard that oesn't have standart mx style switches.Don't discount Alps tactiles. The clickies are very nice, but the tactiles are also very neato as well. I used to think that ALPS were hard to find as well, but really all you need to do is spend some time on the deskthority wiki and ebay/craigslist and you can find some really good deals. I assume you're newer to this hobby so I'll say this, it's the best advice I ever got. "Don't form an opinion on something until you've tried it."
topre-rubber basically a membrane that activates mid travel aalso expensive
alps- heard they have good clickies but they dont work for standard pcbs now and are hard to get and im talking about original ones
buckling spring- heard that original ibm keyboards are pretty expensive also old and only clicky not removable too
other strange old switches -no
I used to think that Mitsumi Mini Mechs were complete dog**** until I tried them for myself. They're not great mind you, but for something that can be used on a modern PC extremely easily and is incredibly cheap they're very nice (Plus they take MX caps).
Try to find some meetups nearby you or maybe organize a small one yourself in order to try some interesting switches without spending the cash! Best of luck man.
So you're saying you've never tried any of these switches, but you've already formed an opinion on them...i wanted to type about that i haven't tried any of these switches but im on kindle (don't ask why) so i coluldn't continue writing where i wanted. maybe there waas something about alps tactiles but i just forgotmy unpopular opinion here is that i dont like any keyboard that oesn't have standart mx style switches.Don't discount Alps tactiles. The clickies are very nice, but the tactiles are also very neato as well. I used to think that ALPS were hard to find as well, but really all you need to do is spend some time on the deskthority wiki and ebay/craigslist and you can find some really good deals. I assume you're newer to this hobby so I'll say this, it's the best advice I ever got. "Don't form an opinion on something until you've tried it."
topre-rubber basically a membrane that activates mid travel aalso expensive
alps- heard they have good clickies but they dont work for standard pcbs now and are hard to get and im talking about original ones
buckling spring- heard that original ibm keyboards are pretty expensive also old and only clicky not removable too
other strange old switches -no
I used to think that Mitsumi Mini Mechs were complete dog**** until I tried them for myself. They're not great mind you, but for something that can be used on a modern PC extremely easily and is incredibly cheap they're very nice (Plus they take MX caps).
Try to find some meetups nearby you or maybe organize a small one yourself in order to try some interesting switches without spending the cash! Best of luck man.
i overall think that alps are the best out of these vintage switches
just mx style switches but not compatible and they are sometimes nicer even
well yes i think im just like that. i like making opinions without trying it.So you're saying you've never tried any of these switches, but you've already formed an opinion on them...i wanted to type about that i haven't tried any of these switches but im on kindle (don't ask why) so i coluldn't continue writing where i wanted. maybe there waas something about alps tactiles but i just forgotmy unpopular opinion here is that i dont like any keyboard that oesn't have standart mx style switches.Don't discount Alps tactiles. The clickies are very nice, but the tactiles are also very neato as well. I used to think that ALPS were hard to find as well, but really all you need to do is spend some time on the deskthority wiki and ebay/craigslist and you can find some really good deals. I assume you're newer to this hobby so I'll say this, it's the best advice I ever got. "Don't form an opinion on something until you've tried it."
topre-rubber basically a membrane that activates mid travel aalso expensive
alps- heard they have good clickies but they dont work for standard pcbs now and are hard to get and im talking about original ones
buckling spring- heard that original ibm keyboards are pretty expensive also old and only clicky not removable too
other strange old switches -no
I used to think that Mitsumi Mini Mechs were complete dog**** until I tried them for myself. They're not great mind you, but for something that can be used on a modern PC extremely easily and is incredibly cheap they're very nice (Plus they take MX caps).
Try to find some meetups nearby you or maybe organize a small one yourself in order to try some interesting switches without spending the cash! Best of luck man.
i overall think that alps are the best out of these vintage switches
just mx style switches but not compatible and they are sometimes nicer even
All I'm saying is to reserve judgement until you actually try some of them for yourself. Don't take this the wrong way but are you young, or is English not your native language? I'm just having a hard time understanding what you're trying to say here.
my unpopular opinion here is that i dont like any keyboard that oesn't have standart mx style switches.
topre-rubber basically a membrane that activates mid travel aalso expensive
alps- heard they have good clickies but they dont work for standard pcbs now and are hard to get and im talking about original ones
buckling spring- heard that original ibm keyboards are pretty expensive also old and only clicky not removable too
other strange old switches -no
if you would give me a 300$ keyboard and a 100$ keyboard with same keycaps and switches in a blind test i would propably choose the 100$ one
This might actually be a popular opinion, but I've received my first two group buys and I have to say that I'm extremely underwhelmed by how far the colors turned out compared to both renders and pre-production samples. I was hoping photos of actual samples would be a better bet, but that was a false hope.
All is not lost, because in-stock sets I've bought have actually been pretty good, and I have the feeling that with one exception I have more confidence in the other group buys I bought into.
I mean I agree but at the same time, you dangle a keyboard with an engraving of Foxy or a raccoon and I'd ****ing peel my flesh from bone just to get it.
Unpopular Opinion #69.69-ahh subsection XXX
I don't understand all these expensive keyboards that have fancy decorations on the back and underside which you'll never see when using them as a...wait for it...keyboard.
I'll pass on naming names. "You pays yer money and you takes yer chances." The physical quality of the caps is good, but the color matching outcome is just a fail. I saw yesterday that both sets are still advertised with misleading renders/samples so I'm thinking of dropping those vendors a note about correcting that.
TKL boards are a waste of space, if you want the keys go 75%no, tkl looks better than 75%, has more functionality, is more standard
Gasket mounted boards feel mushy.
40’s rule
Wouldn’t a 60 be still the same spacing? I feel like you would have more room and less likely for a hand to brush the arrow keys.You'd think, but no, not really. Idk if it's a psychological thing but I definitely feel more cramped using My mode65 or Q1 compared to my NCR80.
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Wouldn’t a 60 be still the same spacing? I feel like you would have more room and less likely for a hand to brush the arrow keys.
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Wouldn’t a 60 be still the same spacing? I feel like you would have more room and less likely for a hand to brush the arrow keys.You'd think, but no, not really. Idk if it's a psychological thing but I definitely feel more cramped using My mode65 or Q1 compared to my NCR80.
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r/budgetkeyboards is the new "stop gatekeeping our gatekeeping" corner.
r/mechanicalkeyboards is the new spot for budgetkeebs and GMK hate .
r/customkeebs is the only place worth visiting anymore... aside from GH.
My reasoning... post a nice custom board on r/mk with GMK caps and people will ignore it because "must be nice to be rich". Post the same board on r/ck where they legit have only 10% as many viewers and it'll get upvoted like crazy because they actually like nice stuff there.
Forget about budget keebs... they banned me for telling someone Gateron makes better products than Akko and their milky yellows are cheaper than most anything Akko sells. Got banned for "sharing my opinion as a fact" LMFAO but the mods will claim up and down I was harassing someone... too bad I got receipts from when a mod let me back in because "I dont see anything youve done wrong". LOL
don't like frl it's a deal breaker for me. very sad to see that many great boards being wkl only. the blockers should be removable for accessible winkey atleast
idk where, and i like where it normally is.don't like frl it's a deal breaker for me. very sad to see that many great boards being wkl only. the blockers should be removable for accessible winkey atleastJust bind it somewhere else. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
r/budgetkeyboards is the new "stop gatekeeping our gatekeeping" corner.
r/mechanicalkeyboards is the new spot for budgetkeebs and GMK hate .
r/customkeebs is the only place worth visiting anymore... aside from GH.
My reasoning... post a nice custom board on r/mk with GMK caps and people will ignore it because "must be nice to be rich". Post the same board on r/ck where they legit have only 10% as many viewers and it'll get upvoted like crazy because they actually like nice stuff there.
Forget about budget keebs... they banned me for telling someone Gateron makes better products than Akko and their milky yellows are cheaper than most anything Akko sells. Got banned for "sharing my opinion as a fact" LMFAO but the mods will claim up and down I was harassing someone... too bad I got receipts from when a mod let me back in because "I dont see anything youve done wrong". LOL
This is the first time I've seen Tp4 outside of Off Topic. He's breached containment.r/budgetkeyboards is the new "stop gatekeeping our gatekeeping" corner.
r/mechanicalkeyboards is the new spot for budgetkeebs and GMK hate .
r/customkeebs is the only place worth visiting anymore... aside from GH.
My reasoning... post a nice custom board on r/mk with GMK caps and people will ignore it because "must be nice to be rich". Post the same board on r/ck where they legit have only 10% as many viewers and it'll get upvoted like crazy because they actually like nice stuff there.
Forget about budget keebs... they banned me for telling someone Gateron makes better products than Akko and their milky yellows are cheaper than most anything Akko sells. Got banned for "sharing my opinion as a fact" LMFAO but the mods will claim up and down I was harassing someone... too bad I got receipts from when a mod let me back in because "I dont see anything youve done wrong". LOL
There is only 1 true path, Split + Tented , You're all 1nfidels in the eyes of the True Keebers.Show Image(https://i.imgur.com/RSB9WCf.gif)
He's breached containment.
I don't just like my caps lock, I love it. And I use it frequently -- basically any time I have more than a single capital letter in a row.
I don't have a problem reaching for CTRL, so I see no reason to put it in place of caps lock (and I might even use CTRL less depending on what I'm doing).
The budget scene right now strikes me as much more interesting than any higher level manufacturer's offerings.
thats's why i bought redragon k552 to mod it, change switches and keycapsThe budget scene right now strikes me as much more interesting than any higher level manufacturer's offerings.
Populated ≠ interesting
hotswap only, without visual flair, daughterboardless, foam everywhere, gasket mount only keyboards - there, summed up the entire budget scene for you
The budget scene right now strikes me as much more interesting than any higher level manufacturer's offerings.
Populated ≠ interesting
hotswap only, without visual flair, daughterboardless, foam everywhere, gasket mount only keyboards - there, summed up the entire budget scene for you
Unpopular Opinion:
Flipped spacebars dont feel better and they look stupid.
Unpopular Opinion:
Flipped spacebars dont feel better and they look stupid.
You failed to have an unpopular opinion
Unpopular Opinion:
Flipped spacebars dont feel better and they look stupid.
You failed to have an unpopular opinion
Look at any keeb group and its a pretty unpopular opinion.
Flipped spacebars are better if your wrist are low, if your wrists are high, then you go unflipped.
Flipped spacebars are better if your wrist are low, if your wrists are high, then you go unflipped.If your wrists are "low" your setup is an ergonomics fail.
I unironically dislike Cherry MX BrownsHow unpopular
I unironically dislike Cherry MX Browns, and GMK is overpriced. Yes I have tried both of those things myself. :pnot rally a unpopular opinion
I unironically dislike Cherry MX Browns, and GMK is overpriced. Yes I have tried both of those things myself. :p
If you thought that 6.25U was too much for a space bar, check out this 10U badboy on a Wyse 160 Keyboard (genuine cherry :) ):
I've never understood why the spacebar remained so huge, while other keycaps are still marooned out on the corners of the keyboard. (backspace/delete in particular) My thumbs rest in the same spots and could easily tap 1.25-2.00 u keycaps instead of a 6.25u river barge. Would be cool to optimize the "spacebar" size/position and have delete/backspace relocated in some of that space around the middle of that bottom row.
Most of the knobs on the keyboard are not practical, except for which is near the spacebar, like a rollerbar.I have found that having one in the top left corner works really well:
:thumb: Multi-layer knob, that's pretty cool! The knob in the top left corner reminds me of Logitech Craft.Most of the knobs on the keyboard are not practical, except for which is near the spacebar, like a rollerbar.I have found that having one in the top left corner works really well:Show Image(https://i.imgur.com/HZKJ3BK.jpeg)
I actually have layers set up to make it do different jobs:
layer1: volume
layer2: fast scroll (5x scrollwheel clicks per click)
layer3: horizontal scroll
until you do any half serious Excel work
without proper nav clusters.
The effort to relearn decades of muscle memory is a pain.
presumably typing is an important part of your life. Type properly- punctuate, capitalise, use paragraphs. And learn how to touch type.
I unironically dislike Cherry MX Browns, and GMK is overpriced. Yes I have tried both of those things myself. :p
Gotta be two of the most popular opinions on this entire site.
Unpopular Opinion:
Flipped spacebars dont feel better and they look stupid.
my unpopular opinion here is that i dont like any keyboard that oesn't have standart mx style switches.
topre-rubber basically a membrane that activates mid travel aalso expensive
alps- heard they have good clickies but they dont work for standard pcbs now and are hard to get and im talking about original ones
buckling spring- heard that original ibm keyboards are pretty expensive also old and only clicky not removable too
other strange old switches -no
i despise the PE foam mod, it ruins the uniqueness in switches and boards and makes every single board sound like marbles.
It can sound good but you ideally don't want 15 boards all sounding the same with hundreds of dollars of price difference
Over the past couple of pages, this thread has turned into "what are incredibly common opinions on keyboards?"You want an unpopular opinion? The artisan space is culty and reminds me of NFT bros.
What's going on here- is there some massive divergence of opinion between Reddit (or some other enthusiast site) and GH?
Over the past couple of pages, this thread has turned into "what are incredibly common opinions on keyboards?"
Windows blockers are one of the dumbest things the keyboard community has come up withThe keyboard community didn't really invent the WKL blocker, it's a pretty prominent feature on many older boards such as the 89u, old g80s,at101s and the model M. The community just picked up on its aesthetics. I'd also guess it makes support for vintage dshots nicer, especially on older boards and the trend just continued.
The budget scene right now strikes me as much more interesting than any higher level manufacturer's offerings.
Populated ≠ interesting
hotswap only, without visual flair, daughterboardless, foam everywhere, gasket mount only keyboards - there, summed up the entire budget scene for you
Unpopular Opinion:
Flipped spacebars dont feel better and they look stupid.
You failed to have an unpopular opinion
Look at any keeb group and its a pretty unpopular opinion.
Over the past couple of pages, this thread has turned into "what are incredibly common opinions on keyboards?"
Windows blockers are one of the dumbest things the keyboard community has come up with. Not only are they hideous aesthetically as they ruin the lines of boards and introduce awkwardly flat gaps causing an unnatural and wide gap in the keys, but they're just pointless. Not only is the windows key often useful, but even if you don't use it for that it can be remapped to any number of other options. Even if for some reason you REALLY hate having a windows key, spare macro, etc, you could just remap it to nothing. There's no reason to turn a perfectly good board into something less useful and more ugly.
Taking your hand off the keyboard to grab the mouse
I unironically dislike Cherry MX Browns, and GMK is overpriced. Yes I have tried both of those things myself. :p
Gotta be two of the most popular opinions on this entire site.
Not in the deeper end of the community. It's a common opinion for beginners who haven't tried either of those things but I see a lot of enthusiasts who love both MX Browns and GMK.
I unironically dislike Cherry MX Browns, and GMK is overpriced. Yes I have tried both of those things myself. :p
I've never understood why the spacebar remained so huge, while other keycaps are still marooned out on the corners of the keyboard. (backspace/delete in particular) My thumbs rest in the same spots and could easily tap 1.25-2.00 u keycaps instead of a 6.25u river barge. Would be cool to optimize the "spacebar" size/position and have delete/backspace relocated in some of that space around the middle of that bottom row.
I personally like the feel of Cherry MX Reds for general typing. I find the lack of any tactility refreshing compared to the blues or browns, and even occasionally better clicky switches like buckling spring, because it means less resistance on the keystroke. Less resistance means I can type comfortably for longer. Once I got used to where the actuation point was, they were nice and light to type on.
I still like buckling springs better on the whole, but they come with the disadvantage of being attached to big, bulky, noisy and inconvenient keyboards most of the time, so I've been choosing reds over my model M or F most of the time recently.
I personally like the feel of Cherry MX Reds for general typing. I find the lack of any tactility refreshing compared to the blues or browns, and even occasionally better clicky switches like buckling spring, because it means less resistance on the keystroke. Less resistance means I can type comfortably for longer. Once I got used to where the actuation point was, they were nice and light to type on.
I still like buckling springs better on the whole, but they come with the disadvantage of being attached to big, bulky, noisy and inconvenient keyboards most of the time, so I've been choosing reds over my model M or F most of the time recently.
They are definitely noisy, but what do you mean by big and bulky?
I personally like the feel of Cherry MX Reds for general typing. I find the lack of any tactility refreshing compared to the blues or browns, and even occasionally better clicky switches like buckling spring, because it means less resistance on the keystroke. Less resistance means I can type comfortably for longer. Once I got used to where the actuation point was, they were nice and light to type on.
I still like buckling springs better on the whole, but they come with the disadvantage of being attached to big, bulky, noisy and inconvenient keyboards most of the time, so I've been choosing reds over my model M or F most of the time recently.
They are definitely noisy, but what do you mean by big and bulky?
Good point. It's unfair to say all (or even most) Model F's are big and bulky. The problem is that almost all of these boards have sacrifices to the layout.
If you need a modern layout (which I did) the only way to get close is to lightly modify an F122. That's what I own, and it's a beast. I might be able to make due with an F104, which is roughly the width of a full sized Model M at least, but good luck finding one.
Zaku switches are carried more by momentum and anime hype than they are by actual switch performance. Not to say they aren't good switches, but there are many switches that are virtually identical for less that don't sell as well and aren't as popular.I also feel like every switch in the market nowadays has an actuation force of either 62.5gf or 63.5gf, or some wacky number. There's literally no variety other than the switch material and the colour combinations. It kinda sucks for me because I can't stand anything above 50gf.
Zaku switches are carried more by momentum and anime hype than they are by actual switch performance. Not to say they aren't good switches, but there are many switches that are virtually identical for less that don't sell as well and aren't as popular.
I personally like the feel of Cherry MX Reds for general typing. I find the lack of any tactility refreshing compared to the blues or browns, and even occasionally better clicky switches like buckling spring, because it means less resistance on the keystroke. Less resistance means I can type comfortably for longer. Once I got used to where the actuation point was, they were nice and light to type on.
I still like buckling springs better on the whole, but they come with the disadvantage of being attached to big, bulky, noisy and inconvenient keyboards most of the time, so I've been choosing reds over my model M or F most of the time recently.
They are definitely noisy, but what do you mean by big and bulky?
Good point. It's unfair to say all (or even most) Model F's are big and bulky. The problem is that almost all of these boards have sacrifices to the layout.
If you need a modern layout (which I did) the only way to get close is to lightly modify an F122. That's what I own, and it's a beast. I might be able to make due with an F104, which is roughly the width of a full sized Model M at least, but good luck finding one.
Have you tried a New Model F? They have their cons compared to the real deal but they have modern layouts + more options for sizes and designs, like the Modern Case Ultra Compact F 62
Zaku switches are carried more by momentum and anime hype than they are by actual switch performance. Not to say they aren't good switches, but there are many switches that are virtually identical for less that don't sell as well and aren't as popular.Gonna be an autist here and live up to my avi by pointing out that Shin Matsunaga and his white Zaku never actually show up in the anime.
the keys would otherwise be wasted
the keys would otherwise be wasted
I understand this sentiment, and partially agree with it.
On the other hand the number of people who are interested in keeping and using 30+ year old computer systems is quite small, while there are literally millions (billions?) of people who use modern computers every day. I feel certain that the number of people in the subset who want good keyboards to use in the modern world is orders of magnitude greater than the number of people who actually want to use primitive computers.
Is it unpopular to say that I despise it when people tear apart old computers/typewriters just for their keyswitches?
If it's a keyboard from an old terminal that literally cannot be used for anything anymore, the machine is damaged beyond repair, or you need other parts to save a better machine and the keys would otherwise be wasted... that's one thing. But if you're taking perfectly working old computers/typewriters and ripping them apart to make a keyboard, that's sacrilegious. It ruins a perfectly good hobby for other enthusiasts, just so you can have a slightly better feeling keyboard, as if there weren't a world of switch options out there. It's beyond selfish.
Apple IIcs are uncommon enough. Let them be.
Is it unpopular to say that I despise it when people tear apart old computers/typewriters just for their keyswitches?
If it's a keyboard from an old terminal that literally cannot be used for anything anymore, the machine is damaged beyond repair, or you need other parts to save a better machine and the keys would otherwise be wasted... that's one thing. But if you're taking perfectly working old computers/typewriters and ripping them apart to make a keyboard, that's sacrilegious. It ruins a perfectly good hobby for other enthusiasts, just so you can have a slightly better feeling keyboard, as if there weren't a world of switch options out there.
Is it unpopular to say that I despise it when people tear apart old computers/typewriters just for their keyswitches?
If it's a keyboard from an old terminal that literally cannot be used for anything anymore, the machine is damaged beyond repair, or you need other parts to save a better machine and the keys would otherwise be wasted... that's one thing. But if you're taking perfectly working old computers/typewriters and ripping them apart to make a keyboard, that's sacrilegious. It ruins a perfectly good hobby for other enthusiasts, just so you can have a slightly better feeling keyboard, as if there weren't a world of switch options out there.
Case in point -
https://www.ebay.com/itm/134307113174?mkevt=1&mkpid=0&emsid=e11021.m43.l3160&mkcid=7&ch=osgood&euid=b46afe152e014a59a9553bc7a1894e57&bu=43208930367&ut=RU&exe=0&ext=0&osub=-1%7E1&crd=20221031055722&segname=11021 (https://www.ebay.com/itm/134307113174?mkevt=1&mkpid=0&emsid=e11021.m43.l3160&mkcid=7&ch=osgood&euid=b46afe152e014a59a9553bc7a1894e57&bu=43208930367&ut=RU&exe=0&ext=0&osub=-1%7E1&crd=20221031055722&segname=11021)
TL;DR version
"They had this in the storeroom for a very long time and now we have it. We sold the keyboard for 300 so we are going to keep the computer together with the original monitor"
A sadly unpopular opinion: SA will rule the keyboardspace as the best profile with the highest quality feel for all eternity
Cherry is cheap consumer junk
MT3 can just GTFO
A sadly unpopular opinion: SA will rule the keyboardspace as the best profile with the highest quality feel for all eternity
Cherry is cheap consumer junk
MT3 can just GTFO
A sadly unpopular opinion: SA will rule the keyboardspace as the best profile with the highest quality feel for all eternity
Cherry is cheap consumer junk
MT3 can just GTFO
A sadly unpopular opinion: SA will rule the keyboardspace as the best profile with the highest quality feel for all eternity
Cherry is cheap consumer junk
MT3 can just GTFO
I've got PBT MT3 with zeal's 75g Clickiez and it just sounds *Chef's kiss*
A sadly unpopular opinion: SA will rule the keyboardspace as the best profile with the highest quality feel for all eternity
Cherry is cheap consumer junk
MT3 can just GTFO
A sadly unpopular opinion: SA will rule the keyboardspace as the best profile with the highest quality feel for all eternity
Cherry is cheap consumer junk
MT3 can just GTFO
PBT MT3 FTW
here's another: Domikey SA is miles ahead of SP SA and the lack of custom domikey sets is a crime
A sadly unpopular opinion: SA will rule the keyboardspace as the best profile with the highest quality feel for all eternity
Cherry is cheap consumer junk
MT3 can just GTFO
here's another: Domikey SA is miles ahead of SP SA and the lack of custom domikey sets is a crime
here's another: Domikey SA is miles ahead of SP SA and the lack of custom domikey sets is a crime
A sadly unpopular opinion: SA will rule the keyboardspace as the best profile with the highest quality feel for all eternity
Cherry is cheap consumer junk
MT3 can just GTFO
A sadly unpopular opinion: SA will rule the keyboardspace as the best profile with the highest quality feel for all eternity
Cherry is cheap consumer junk
MT3 can just GTFO
the ABS blend they use is a bit harder wearing than SP's ABS and nobody beats domikey for bar straightness, not even SP. I also like the sound of them a little better, it's a good bit more full to my ears, but that's preference.here's another: Domikey SA is miles ahead of SP SA and the lack of custom domikey sets is a crime
A sadly unpopular opinion: SA will rule the keyboardspace as the best profile with the highest quality feel for all eternity
Cherry is cheap consumer junk
MT3 can just GTFO
Definitely an unpopular opinion. Why do you believe this?
Endgame is real.I've seen more people who were chasing endgame exit the hobby than I can count.
I've seen more people who were chasing endgame exit the hobby than I can count.
All MX tactile and clicky switches are inferior to Alps/Matias and buckling spring when it comes to typing. MX’s only advantages are availability, stem compatibility, RGB, and hotswap, and even then buckling spring has an advantage in that the 1u keycaps are interchangeable between rows.
Loud tactiles? Get SKCM Orange/Salmon/Black or remove the bumpers on Matias
Quiet tactiles? Get Matias QC (or Topre)
Clicky? CBS, MBS, SKCM Blue/White, and Matias Click are all great.
Something cheap (sub-$100)? Plenty of options, including new Matias, on eBay.
Small form factor? CBS and MBS can be had in TKL from Ellipse and Unicomp and Matias even has a 75%.
Wireless? Matias Laptop Pro or easy Bluetooth mods
Legit, none of these are unpopular anymore lolAll MX tactile and clicky switches are inferior to Alps/Matias and buckling spring when it comes to typing. MX’s only advantages are availability, stem compatibility, RGB, and hotswap, and even then buckling spring has an advantage in that the 1u keycaps are interchangeable between rows.
Loud tactiles? Get SKCM Orange/Salmon/Black or remove the bumpers on Matias
Quiet tactiles? Get Matias QC (or Topre)
Clicky? CBS, MBS, SKCM Blue/White, and Matias Click are all great.
Something cheap (sub-$100)? Plenty of options, including new Matias, on eBay.
Small form factor? CBS and MBS can be had in TKL from Ellipse and Unicomp and Matias even has a 75%.
Wireless? Matias Laptop Pro or easy Bluetooth mods
Like no offense but this is the most basic ***** take I've ever seen, especially since one Dutchman got so popular and people decided to take his words as gospel and not suggestion.
Want to know my unpopular opinion?
There is no best switch. Every switch is designed with different purposes in mind. Alps has a different design philosophy to MX, and those are different from MY, and Mitsumi mini mechs, and every other switch.
It's not even my take! I stole it!
Are they though? I was just talking with a friend about this while driving to the mode meetup. r/MK can claim to have as many users as it does but how many of those people are just average redditors who don't even own a keyboard or interact with the hobby but just sub for the interesting pictures. Keebmeup is a circus, and besides that unless you go to asia you're not going to find any other places where keyboard nerds congregate, and that's an entirely different scene.Legit, none of these are unpopular anymore lolAll MX tactile and clicky switches are inferior to Alps/Matias and buckling spring when it comes to typing. MX’s only advantages are availability, stem compatibility, RGB, and hotswap, and even then buckling spring has an advantage in that the 1u keycaps are interchangeable between rows.
Loud tactiles? Get SKCM Orange/Salmon/Black or remove the bumpers on Matias
Quiet tactiles? Get Matias QC (or Topre)
Clicky? CBS, MBS, SKCM Blue/White, and Matias Click are all great.
Something cheap (sub-$100)? Plenty of options, including new Matias, on eBay.
Small form factor? CBS and MBS can be had in TKL from Ellipse and Unicomp and Matias even has a 75%.
Wireless? Matias Laptop Pro or easy Bluetooth mods
Like no offense but this is the most basic ***** take I've ever seen, especially since one Dutchman got so popular and people decided to take his words as gospel and not suggestion.
Want to know my unpopular opinion?
There is no best switch. Every switch is designed with different purposes in mind. Alps has a different design philosophy to MX, and those are different from MY, and Mitsumi mini mechs, and every other switch.
It's not even my take! I stole it!
Popular on GeekHack and Deskthority, maybe, but not the wider mech keyboard community or computer users in general by a long shot. These two sites are a tiny, tiny sliver of the population.
And to be clear, MX is virtually trash as tactiles or clickies. Their reedeming value comes exclusively from the boards and keycaps.Only the sith deal in absolutes...
And to be clear, MX is virtually trash as tactiles or clickies. Their reedeming value comes exclusively from the boards and keycaps.Modern mx clicky switches certainly aren't trash, and mx tactiles could become better if manufacturers start basing switches on the tactile configuration in the zeal clickiez.
(and while we're on that subject a big FU to whoever came up with home row breaking direction key combo abominations like WASD and HJKL Infidels!)
Good membrane keyboards can last just as long if not longer than mechanical keyboards. :p
(and while we're on that subject a big FU to whoever came up with home row breaking direction key combo abominations like WASD and HJKL Infidels!)
HJKL was mostly from super-programmer Bill Joy, who wrote the vi text editor, among many, many other things. He was using an ADM-3A terminal, which already had arrows on those keys, so he wasn't the first, but vi became the standard text editor in the Unix world, spreading it far and wide.
Keyboard flex test is a useless test and has an impact so little with typing feel if any at all, it is negligible :pAgain this is stuff that I'm pretty sure is well known if you scratch a little deeper than surface level youtube videos and r/mk.
HHKB topres are too heavy and too tactile for me.
What are some good MX clicky switches in your opinion? I haven't found any. Click bar switches sound horrible. Clickiez could have been good but sound way worse than Alps clicky switches that the design is based on and the feel is nowhere near. Way, way, way too sharp tactility.QuoteAnd to be clear, MX is virtually trash as tactiles or clickies. Their reedeming value comes exclusively from the boards and keycaps.Modern mx clicky switches certainly aren't trash, and mx tactiles could become better if manufacturers start basing switches on the tactile configuration in the zeal clickiez.
Like no offense but this is the most basic ***** take I've ever seen, especially since one Dutchman got so popular and people decided to take his words as gospel and not suggestion.
Want to know my unpopular opinion?
There is no best switch. Every switch is designed with different purposes in mind. Alps has a different design philosophy to MX, and those are different from MY, and Mitsumi mini mechs, and every other switch.
It's not even my take! I stole it!
What are some good MX clicky switches in your opinion? I haven't found any. Click bar switches sound horrible. Clickiez could have been good but sound way worse than Alps clicky switches that the design is based on and the feel is nowhere near. Way, way, way too sharp tactility.QuoteAnd to be clear, MX is virtually trash as tactiles or clickies. Their reedeming value comes exclusively from the boards and keycaps.Modern mx clicky switches certainly aren't trash, and mx tactiles could become better if manufacturers start basing switches on the tactile configuration in the zeal clickiez.
Like no offense but this is the most basic ***** take I've ever seen, especially since one Dutchman got so popular and people decided to take his words as gospel and not suggestion.
Want to know my unpopular opinion?
There is no best switch. Every switch is designed with different purposes in mind. Alps has a different design philosophy to MX, and those are different from MY, and Mitsumi mini mechs, and every other switch.
It's not even my take! I stole it!
To be fair, the PURPOSE of a keyboard switch is probably pretty much the same for any switch ever made. And while the swearing dutchman surely has swayed people to hating on Cherry MX, he's not exactly wrong either. And I agree with the above poster regarding clicky switches. For tactile switches there are good MX ones, but any modern aluminium, gasket mount, O-ring, bandaidmodded or whatever trendy keyboard is not going to sound as nice as a bulkier vintage keyboard with, for example, Alps tactiles. And one glaring omission in the list of things Cherry MX does better than Alps, they aren't 90% likely to be scratchy and horrible on basically any board that has them because of their sensitivity to dust.
Only such a detail that the click sound and the switch activation are completely synchronized makes typing on CBS so much more enjoyable for me. They're also in my opinion the kind of feel that you should strive for in a clicky switch. Light but sharp tactility and a chunky sound (though that's obviously a matter of opinion). I'll forgive anyone that can't stand a Model F due to the pinging.
As for my own "unpopular opinion" (which probably isn't) Blue Alps, while very nice, are overhyped and overpriced (probably in part due to the fellow mentioned above). Don't get me wrong, they blow any Cherry MX compatible clicky switch out of the water both in feel and sound, but you can get basically all the way there by just click modding basically any other Alps switch that are much more common and accessible. The difference between a click modded black alps and a genuine blue one does not warrant the price increase. I'm guessing this is also true if you linearize them and compare with rare linear Alps switches. Linearizing or click-modding also has the effect of mostly negating the horrible scratchiness of a lot of tactile alps switches you can find today has, by the way.
Oh, and keycap sets that have legends that say something else than what the key actually does is stupid. This includes having symbols such as leaves, shovels or whatever ("novelties").
What are some good MX clicky switches in your opinion? I haven't found any. Click bar switches sound horrible. Clickiez could have been good but sound way worse than Alps clicky switches that the design is based on and the feel is nowhere near. Way, way, way too sharp tactility.
I have a two-yearold with a longer attention span than you. Probably also better taste in keyboards, but we won't know until you both try one. Nice meme though, your meme game is on point. Well done!What are some good MX clicky switches in your opinion? I haven't found any. Click bar switches sound horrible. Clickiez could have been good but sound way worse than Alps clicky switches that the design is based on and the feel is nowhere near. Way, way, way too sharp tactility.QuoteAnd to be clear, MX is virtually trash as tactiles or clickies. Their reedeming value comes exclusively from the boards and keycaps.Modern mx clicky switches certainly aren't trash, and mx tactiles could become better if manufacturers start basing switches on the tactile configuration in the zeal clickiez.
Like no offense but this is the most basic ***** take I've ever seen, especially since one Dutchman got so popular and people decided to take his words as gospel and not suggestion.
Want to know my unpopular opinion?
There is no best switch. Every switch is designed with different purposes in mind. Alps has a different design philosophy to MX, and those are different from MY, and Mitsumi mini mechs, and every other switch.
It's not even my take! I stole it!
To be fair, the PURPOSE of a keyboard switch is probably pretty much the same for any switch ever made. And while the swearing dutchman surely has swayed people to hating on Cherry MX, he's not exactly wrong either. And I agree with the above poster regarding clicky switches. For tactile switches there are good MX ones, but any modern aluminium, gasket mount, O-ring, bandaidmodded or whatever trendy keyboard is not going to sound as nice as a bulkier vintage keyboard with, for example, Alps tactiles. And one glaring omission in the list of things Cherry MX does better than Alps, they aren't 90% likely to be scratchy and horrible on basically any board that has them because of their sensitivity to dust.
Only such a detail that the click sound and the switch activation are completely synchronized makes typing on CBS so much more enjoyable for me. They're also in my opinion the kind of feel that you should strive for in a clicky switch. Light but sharp tactility and a chunky sound (though that's obviously a matter of opinion). I'll forgive anyone that can't stand a Model F due to the pinging.
As for my own "unpopular opinion" (which probably isn't) Blue Alps, while very nice, are overhyped and overpriced (probably in part due to the fellow mentioned above). Don't get me wrong, they blow any Cherry MX compatible clicky switch out of the water both in feel and sound, but you can get basically all the way there by just click modding basically any other Alps switch that are much more common and accessible. The difference between a click modded black alps and a genuine blue one does not warrant the price increase. I'm guessing this is also true if you linearize them and compare with rare linear Alps switches. Linearizing or click-modding also has the effect of mostly negating the horrible scratchiness of a lot of tactile alps switches you can find today has, by the way.
Oh, and keycap sets that have legends that say something else than what the key actually does is stupid. This includes having symbols such as leaves, shovels or whatever ("novelties").Show Image(https://i.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/original/001/876/233/4c9.jpg)
I have a two-yearold with a longer attention span than you. Probably also better taste in keyboards, but we won't know until you both try one. Nice meme though, your meme game is on point. Well done!
Here's my unpopular opinion. I think 35% and 40% keyboards are absolutely ridiculous. If people want to go that small they might as well go for a 1-key, where pressing the sole key will open an on-screen keyboard menu where you can use the mouse to select which letter/number you want. I know it involves some complicated programming to achieve that but if they want small and inconvenient here is the smallest and most inconvenient keyboard they should get into
Here's my unpopular opinion. I think 35% and 40% keyboards are absolutely ridiculous. If people want to go that small they might as well go for a 1-key, where pressing the sole key will open an on-screen keyboard menu where you can use the mouse to select which letter/number you want. I know it involves some complicated programming to achieve that but if they want small and inconvenient here is the smallest and most inconvenient keyboard they should get into
I see your point about reaching with touch typing, but you can do layers on a full size as well, so that's not really a justification. What I personally don't like about small keyboards is that you have to use layers also when your fingers are not in the touch typing position. You may have to use F keys or function keys when you are working in Photoshop e.g., and then a full size or TKL is much handier.Here's my unpopular opinion. I think 35% and 40% keyboards are absolutely ridiculous. If people want to go that small they might as well go for a 1-key, where pressing the sole key will open an on-screen keyboard menu where you can use the mouse to select which letter/number you want. I know it involves some complicated programming to achieve that but if they want small and inconvenient here is the smallest and most inconvenient keyboard they should get into
I see 40s as trimming the fat of a keyboard. Like with layers, you can get pretty much the same functionality of a tkl with way less space, however some people like the fat and choose to keep it. I don't really use anything above a 75% because I don't find f keys useful when I can just layer it. It also makes you reach less as it's far less strain on the fingers to press fn and q rather than just pressing the one key weirdly enough.
but of course the best thing about 40s is that you save time on breaking in and lubing switches lol, which makes me want to buy an ergo 40 one day.
I see your point about reaching with touch typing, but you can do layers on a full size as well, so that's not really a justification. What I personally don't like about small keyboards is that you have to use layers also when your fingers are not in the touch typing position. You may have to use F keys or function keys when you are working in Photoshop e.g., and then a full size or TKL is much handier.Here's my unpopular opinion. I think 35% and 40% keyboards are absolutely ridiculous. If people want to go that small they might as well go for a 1-key, where pressing the sole key will open an on-screen keyboard menu where you can use the mouse to select which letter/number you want. I know it involves some complicated programming to achieve that but if they want small and inconvenient here is the smallest and most inconvenient keyboard they should get into
I see 40s as trimming the fat of a keyboard. Like with layers, you can get pretty much the same functionality of a tkl with way less space, however some people like the fat and choose to keep it. I don't really use anything above a 75% because I don't find f keys useful when I can just layer it. It also makes you reach less as it's far less strain on the fingers to press fn and q rather than just pressing the one key weirdly enough.
but of course the best thing about 40s is that you save time on breaking in and lubing switches lol, which makes me want to buy an ergo 40 one day.
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But the point is when not in touch typing position. I rarely use the function keys when touch typing and rarely touch type when doing actions that need the function keys. So the thing is that a smaller board doesn't really solve anything. It saves some space, but my desk is so large that I don't need that.I see your point about reaching with touch typing, but you can do layers on a full size as well, so that's not really a justification. What I personally don't like about small keyboards is that you have to use layers also when your fingers are not in the touch typing position. You may have to use F keys or function keys when you are working in Photoshop e.g., and then a full size or TKL is much handier.Here's my unpopular opinion. I think 35% and 40% keyboards are absolutely ridiculous. If people want to go that small they might as well go for a 1-key, where pressing the sole key will open an on-screen keyboard menu where you can use the mouse to select which letter/number you want. I know it involves some complicated programming to achieve that but if they want small and inconvenient here is the smallest and most inconvenient keyboard they should get into
I see 40s as trimming the fat of a keyboard. Like with layers, you can get pretty much the same functionality of a tkl with way less space, however some people like the fat and choose to keep it. I don't really use anything above a 75% because I don't find f keys useful when I can just layer it. It also makes you reach less as it's far less strain on the fingers to press fn and q rather than just pressing the one key weirdly enough.
but of course the best thing about 40s is that you save time on breaking in and lubing switches lol, which makes me want to buy an ergo 40 one day.
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You don’t have to if you have tap dance setup. Of course it will take some configuring but tapdance allows 4 different actions with a single key (tap, double tap, hold, tap and hold). That can be done while your hands are still in touch typing position. Combos also exist and allow for a bunch more keybinds without needing to move your hands.
I throw up a little every time I hear the word "layers" in a keyboard discussion. but hey, that's just me. :D
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I throw up a little every time I hear the word "layers" in a keyboard discussion. but hey, that's just me. :D
Don't tell bro that he using layers daily on his phone otherwise he will throw up every time he uses it.
Don't tell bro that he using layers daily on his phone otherwise he will throw up every time he uses it.
I mean you use layers whenever you type a capital letter or symbol on the num row, but I guess you can see what’s on the next layer of those so it’s a little different I guess.
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Just use layers bro
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Just use layers bro
Don't diss the pain27 it's perfectly usable, and the best australian keyboard ever produced
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Just use layers bro.
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While looking for an awkward switch with some reputation it has come to Cherry MX green. That RGB variant was hard to find. Not sure but vendors dont offer them anymore (RGB variant), maybe they out of life. Happy got 110 pieces for some clicky project.
Any layout that reduces the need for stabilizers is superior to layouts that require more stabilizers.
XT or 96 key layouts are 1000% the best layouts. If you get good with it, you won't have to use a mouse a mouse for most tasks, AND you don't have to move your wrist too!!!!So they can be improved if they have a downside?
The only downside is getting used to toggling the numlock and the new position for the nav keys.
XT or 96 key layouts are 1000% the best layouts. If you get good with it, you won't have to use a mouse a mouse for most tasks, AND you don't have to move your wrist too!!!!So they can be improved if they have a downside?
The only downside is getting used to toggling the numlock and the new position for the nav keys.
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My unpopular opinion: Soldered switch PCBs are superior to hot swap. Hot swap is great for if you want to try out new switches or are into modding switches, but soldering provides additional mechanical fastening allowing for an easier time removing keycaps and doing general cleaning.
My unpopular opinion: Soldered switch PCBs are superior to hot swap. Hot swap is great for if you want to try out new switches or are into modding switches, but soldering provides additional mechanical fastening allowing for an easier time removing keycaps and doing general cleaning.
My unpopular opinion: Soldered switch PCBs are superior to hot swap. Hot swap is great for if you want to try out new switches or are into modding switches, but soldering provides additional mechanical fastening allowing for an easier time removing keycaps and doing general cleaning.
How does it make it easier to clean?
My unpopular opinion: Soldered switch PCBs are superior to hot swap. Hot swap is great for if you want to try out new switches or are into modding switches, but soldering provides additional mechanical fastening allowing for an easier time removing keycaps and doing general cleaning.
Agree with this, It also makes boards sound better (I'm not 100% sure why, but I think it has to do with switches having gaps in between the sockets which sound can go through, rather than soldering which doesn't have those gaps)
Plus it's slightly cheaper and fun to do, for any custom I don't know why you wouldn't but that's just me. You probably should have a hotswap board for modding switches as you said anyway.
60% keyboards aren't practical, even with the programmable layers. I liken it to people who build their linux distros "from the ground up". They're just senselessly creating a rabbit hole of unnecessary work.
The thing is though that that would work on larger size keyboards as well. So you don't need a smaller keyboard to do that. But it's only practical if you're touch typing. If your hands are AFK and you quickly need to find a specific button all the smaller sizes make that harder.60% keyboards aren't practical, even with the programmable layers. I liken it to people who build their linux distros "from the ground up". They're just senselessly creating a rabbit hole of unnecessary work.
For me I feel it's way more comfortable to use a layer I activate with my thumb to have the arrow keys right under my homerow than to have to do the movement of my hand from the homerow down to the bottom and back to the homerow, it gets tiring esp with arthritis. I use 42 keys tho as a daily driver so thats a whole nother discussion LOL
Edit: Just realized I replied to a 9 year old comment lmfao. Point still stands thooooo
I throw up a little every time I hear the word "layers" in a keyboard discussion. but hey, that's just me. :D
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Just use layers bro
Just use a hall effect switch with 200 levels...
I throw up a little every time I hear the word "layers" in a keyboard discussion. but hey, that's just me. :D
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Just use layers bro
Imagine a 1-key keyboard, just like a switch and keycap keychain just that it functions as a real keyboard. Everything is a layer. Press the single key and an on screen menu shall pop out. Move your mouse to select the letter/number/symbol you want. Because hey, we like smaller keyboards since our 50 inch monitor has taken all the space on our airplane tray table.
P.S. jokes aside I hope I didnt offend anyone
Just use a hall effect switch with 200 levels...
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QuoteJust use a hall effect switch with 200 levels...
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This is very pleasing to me. It's like one of those bad UI battles. Can we send one of these to Chryros for a Waning video?
See, the approach is all wrong here. We've already made the move to the onscreen, so it's time for AESTHETICS. I suggest a zero-key model with a classic 104-key footprint (https://www.propsamerica.com/proddetail.asp?prod=DESKTOPS000).
1. Just about every keycap set designed on pimpmykeyboard is ugly. When I see pictures of these keycaps on someones keyboards looks even worse.I agree keysets designed by pimp is ugly for many people but SA does have many excellent sets such as SA SONG, ESPRESSO, and VIlEBLOOM. As someone started with cherry profile, SA looks quite weird initially. However, later on, I realized some colorways do fit the big fat legend and tall profile. The typing feel of SA SP also enhances any switches. Making tactile more tactile, linear more linear. The feel is also more smooth than gmk.
2. SA keyset is horrible to type on and looks horrible.
3. I think model M and any other so called "vintage" keyboard is stupid.
4. If you think 60% keyboards are not practical well 40% are even worse. They seem like a major handicap.
5. I hate gamer looking or branded keyboards (razer, corsair, logitech, ect.)
1. DSA is terrible. I hate using it, and won't buy from any group buys with DSA profile.SA SP keycaps are really thick. I love that rigid feeling when typing.
2. SA profile (sculptured, not uniform) is fun! They are my second favorite, after Cherry Corp or GMK thick ABS.
3. PBT is all hype. I prefer thick ABS by a wide margin. I can use PBT, of course, but I prefer thick ABS. Much, much prefer double shot ABS over dyesub PBT.
4. ErgoClears are just okay, but stock clears are better.
I just want to know why it is so damnably hard to find a keyboard which is/hasmost unix ppl just use hhkb or remap
• mechanical switches
• TKL form factor
• UNIX key layout (i.e. ~` and |\ where Backspace always is these days, Backspace over the Return key, Control left of A, and Esc at the corner bordering TAB and !1)
I do not understand why this is not an appealing/desired layout, and it's really frustrating not to be able to find one. I mean, I suppose I could try to make one...
I just want to know why it is so damnably hard to find a keyboard which is/has
• mechanical switches
• TKL form factor
• UNIX key layout (i.e. ~` and |\ where Backspace always is these days, Backspace over the Return key, Control left of A, and Esc at the corner bordering TAB and !1)
I do not understand why this is not an appealing/desired layout, and it's really frustrating not to be able to find one. I mean, I suppose I could try to make one...
65 and 75 are senseless
HHKB (keyboard) is overrated (quality of case, inconsistency)
salvation is bad keyboard due usb cutout and qc
meletrix is bad budget option
vintage blacks are overrated
HHKB is overrated absolutely :(
65 and 75 are senseless
HHKB (keyboard) is overrated (quality of case, inconsistency)
salvation is bad keyboard due usb cutout and qc
meletrix is bad budget option
vintage blacks are overrated
HHKB (keyboard) is overrated (quality of case, inconsistency)I've tried a hhkb and it's pretty good, I don't see what you mean by inconsistency, and yeah it's a plastic case but it's pretty durable.
vintage blacks are overratedVintage blacks aren't overrated but there are misconceptions about why they are so good. Good vintage blacks are good because they are broken in a lot from years of use, there are different molds and they are the first tooling but the break in is the biggest factor in why they are so smooth. That's why NOS vintage blacks are not worth your money, they are basically just slightly better hyperglides. Although a lot of this is based on batch variance.
If you lube your switches with 205g0, you are muting and removing their sound profile, different linears will sound the same after. 105 on the railing is all that's needed.
If you lube your switches with 205g0, you are muting and removing their sound profile, different linears will sound the same after. 105 on the railing is all that's needed.
1. I cannot stand 60% boards either, I don't think they look attractive what so ever and although using a HHKB was an enjoyable experience, I couldn't ever use it as my daily driver.My reaction to 60% boards is to get flashbacks to 1980 and the adm3a and bit-encoded key layout and using Shift-RUB and Control-HJKL and growing wrist pain from the lousy mechanism. When the HHKB came out I was kind of excited and bought one sight unseen. It was a mistake.
6. "They don't make them like they used to." The standard build quality on vintage keyboards is better than 95% of the crap being mass produced today.I worked for Honeywell in 1978 and we had the BEST keyboards. I really miss discrete Microswitch keys.
This may be absolute heresy on a board like this, but I kinda like rubber domes more than mechanical switches. Idk, but I find I type faster on them. Maybe because I'm used to MX reds which are too light for me and I tend to mis-hit keys.Dell L100 is a nice keyboard. But my wrist is hurting a lot less since I got a mechanical with Silent Limes.
65 and 75 are senseless
HHKB (keyboard) is overrated (quality of case, inconsistency)
salvation is bad keyboard due usb cutout and qc
meletrix is bad budget option
vintage blacks are overrated
6. "They don't make them like they used to." The standard build quality on vintage keyboards is better than 95% of the crap being mass produced today.I worked for Honeywell in 1978 and we had the BEST keyboards. I really miss discrete Microswitch keys.
awesome. i have 2 honeywell keyboards but both are hall effectYeh, those were the ones. https://deskthority.net/wiki/Micro_Switch_SW_Series
1. 68 keys aren't enough. 84 keys are too many. I need all of DEL/HOME/PGUP/PGDN/END as separate keys, but the only key I use in the FK row is escape.So an FRL TKL layout? Those have been growing in popularity lately.
FRL TKL doesn't give you a place for both ESC and "`~". An XT column on the left would do that. Or 71 key, with the "`~" on the right like this...
Unpopular for the general public... split backspace should be the norm.
We dont need the backslash to be that big. And it frees up space for the tilde and the backslash.
Seems to be the norm for non-standard splits like Kinesis Advantage and Ergodox where they have it 2U vertical plus additional keys in a cluster. I tend to favor my right more than my left for space duty but, on a leading space I will sometimes use the left. I might remap mine and see how frequently I end up backspacing characters :).
If there's a key that needs splitting it's the waste-of-space spacebar. Backspace should be below the "v" key, space should be below the "n" key. Both about 2u.
Easier to identify and slap at it with a pinky is my guess.Unpopular for the general public... split backspace should be the norm.
We dont need the backslash to be that big. And it frees up space for the tilde and the backslash.
I'd agree with that, actually why is regular backspace the norm, that would be interesting to know if there is a reason
If there's a key that needs splitting it's the waste-of-space spacebar. Backspace should be below the "v" key, space should be below the "n" key. Both about 2u.
using your thumb to hit space?
using your thumb to hit space?
Of course! Always.
Do you send a finger down there to make the hit?
Maybe give the thumb a try sometime :cool:.
using your thumb to hit space?
Of course! Always.
Do you send a finger down there to make the hit?
yes... :-X
Maybe give the thumb a try sometime :cool:.
using your thumb to hit space?
Of course! Always.
Do you send a finger down there to make the hit?
yes... :-X
using your thumb to hit space?!!?? :eek:Both thumbs. That's how touch typing is supposed to work. For a person with 10 functional fingers that is.
using your thumb to hit space?!!?? :eek:Both thumbs. That's how touch typing is supposed to work. For a person with 10 functional fingers that is.
to re-learn typing
to re-learn typing
Honestly, it is hard for me to imagine a style of "typing" that does not utilize the the thumbs on the space bar.
What do they do? Or are they simply sidelined?
to re-learn typing
Honestly, it is hard for me to imagine a style of "typing" that does not utilize the the thumbs on the space bar.
What do they do? Or are they simply sidelined?
nothing lol they just chill unless im playing a game then my left thumb is jump like everyone else
This hurts my brain. I don't use any other digit on my spacebar than my thumbs.
I hope they're teaching typing in school at a younger age these days so kids don't stick to improvised bad habits. It's painful to watch my dad do the hunt-and-peck thing his entire life because they didn't teach typing to boys in the era he was in school.
I hope they're teaching typing in school at a younger age these days so kids don't stick to improvised bad habits. It's painful to watch my dad do the hunt-and-peck thing his entire life because they didn't teach typing to boys in the era he was in school.
We were never taught proper keyboard skills. Most of our lessons were on how to use Windows shortcuts rather than proper typing. Ergonomics were never mentioned for us.
Keyboarding class was my worst grades in high school. I got a C- or maybe even a D+. I was only good at subjects where "winging it" could succeed, and keyboarding took practice LOL. But like most of school keyboarding class created an ergonomic foundation I was able to build on later when I started working on the computer in undergrad. (It's far more about ergonomics and efficiency than "WPM")
We were never taught proper keyboard skills. Most of our lessons were on how to use Windows shortcuts rather than proper typing. Ergonomics were never mentioned for us.
Emacs uses control-FBPN for cursor movement, because Richard Stallman hates you.
For the movement? I use the default ones.
- Every Emacser makes their own bindings anyway.
Ah, typing classes!
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Keyboarding class was my worst grades in high school. I got a C- or maybe even a D+. I was only good at subjects where "winging it" could succeed, and keyboarding took practice LOL. But like most of school keyboarding class created an ergonomic foundation I was able to build on later when I started working on the computer in undergrad. (It's far more about ergonomics and efficiency than "WPM")
Bah... Nano FTW. ;D
Keyboarding class was my worst grades in high school. I got a C- or maybe even a D+. I was only good at subjects where "winging it" could succeed, and keyboarding took practice LOL. But like most of school keyboarding class created an ergonomic foundation I was able to build on later when I started working on the computer in undergrad. (It's far more about ergonomics and efficiency than "WPM")
I didn't have it in hs but in middle school it was one of my worst (though it didn't matter cuz middle school grades barely affected anything) because didn't do anything and our teacher barely cared. we all just played Minecraft together or other games
i was still typing over 120 wpm at the time though since i had been learning years earlier on my own (but i do type "improperly")
Favorite layout is a 96% :-X
Kohaku is a mid board, pretty weight but that's about it to me... I also don't enjoy 65% layouts so I guess that's probably part of the cause as wellHave to agree, never got all the hype around it. The Jaguar is a far more striking board from the same designer yet seems to garner less attention. All due respect, the Kohaku is borderline uninspired to me. From an aesthetics POV, even the simplest seamed two-piece wedge design seems more appealing. The back is cool and all, but that's about it.
There should be more 80%s with a numpad instead of the nav cluster and arrow keys. You would get access to all the keys on a full size with the press of NumLock.
... I also don't enjoy 65% layouts so I guess that's probably part of the cause as wellMy true 60% Alice has really done wonders for me with left space bar also held down to get to layer 2, my numpad layer. Y,U,I=7,8,9, - H,J,K=4,5,6, - B,N,M=1,2,3 - right space = 0 - Right Alt = "." etc...
There should be more 80%s with a numpad instead of the nav cluster and arrow keys. You would get access to all the keys on a full size with the press of NumLock.
Some of the artisans is really overrated, especially the OG ones.
Kohaku is a mid board, pretty weight but that's about it to me... I also don't enjoy 65% layouts so I guess that's probably part of the cause as well
Kohaku is a mid board, pretty weight but that's about it to me... I also don't enjoy 65% layouts so I guess that's probably part of the cause as well
saying that their board isn't good enough as is
There should be more 80%s with a numpad instead of the nav cluster and arrow keys. You would get access to all the keys on a full size with the press of NumLock.
There should be more 80%s with a numpad instead of the nav cluster and arrow keys. You would get access to all the keys on a full size with the press of NumLock.
This is objectively correct, though I allow 96%. Like, guys, seriously. ANSI mod an AT and you're done. We don't need this TKL bull****.
saying that their board isn't good enough as is
I disagree, because "good" is an entirely subjective notion.
There are people who "like" various attributes, let's take noise and stiffness as 2 of the most common examples. 3 people might buy identical keyboards and one might say "This is perfect" while another says "I love everything about this keyboard except that it is too loud, so I will stuff the case with insulating material" and the 3rd says "I love everything about this keyboard except that the springs are too soft so I want to add stiffer springs"
Is one of them "right"? Are the other 2 "wrong"?
I disagree, because "good" is an entirely subjective notion.
I think the move away from full size keyboards in the mech board community stems from the fact that today's generation is more used to using mobile devices and expects their keyboards to be mobile too.
I think that split space (space on left, backspace on right), should be standard on larger boards. I’m biased by 40s, but why is backspace so far away nowadays? It’s 2u vertically and like 1.5–2u away horizontally with your fingers on the homerow on a standard board, and you’re using your weakest finger for it. Most typists aren’t 100% percent accurate so backspace is going to be used quite frequently. Makes the most sense to have it right next to your space key and using the strongest digit on your hand.
Also no reason for caps lock to be on a 1.75u key. It’s not useful enough to warrant that large of a key.
It almost feels like those who learned to type / use computers extensively in the height of the Model M era (when the fullsize became standardized and relentlessly copied) will have the most trouble switching between layouts.
It almost feels like those who learned to type / use computers extensively in the height of the Model M era (when the fullsize became standardized and relentlessly copied) will have the most trouble switching between layouts.
You are probably right about that. Though honestly, this idea of frequently switching between layouts is another point of disconnect for me.
99% of my typing happens at my desktop PC. Why would I need to switch layouts? And why would I want anything smaller than full size? My desk is not so small that I need an inch or two taken away from the keyboard to make room for something else. My mouse has plenty of space to the side of my full size keyboard(s) as it is, what possible benefit is there to taking useful keys away?
It must be a matter of lifestyle differences. I can't relate to the folks who need a mech keyboard with them wherever they go (and where they go provides very little space to set up for typing), and they probably can't relate to someone like me who does all of his typing on a desktop PC in one fixed location (at home or at work), where working space is plentiful.
And why would I want anything smaller than full size? My desk is not so small that I need an inch or two taken away from the keyboard to make room for something else. My mouse has plenty of space to the side of my full size keyboard(s) as it is, what possible benefit is there to taking useful keys away?
I use Windows for work and play, but use the Apple M3501 at work. The OS key is mapped as the same OS key in Windows so it's functionally identical. I would say I struggle more from switching to the Apple AEK profile to SP SA. The bottom row is also different in number of keys and length of each key, but I don't seem to have any issues with that. I would love if my work keyboard had smaller bezels.
I can see just cause for "improving" the standard layout; however, I don't see the real value in these micro-improvements. The left side of a keyboard is a mix of 1u-2.5u keys. So the only key that can be shrunk without really changing the layout is Shift. What would you add in the space granted by shrinking the shift key? I can't think of I key or string of keys that I use enough to justify it's own button. Same goes with a split space. I like how big it is because I do use both of my thumbs to press space (mostly the right now that I am thinking about it), but more because I strike the space bar from multiple spots as I type, which is probably "incorrect" but feels better. Forgiving. On a ANSI full size there are 4u of space above the numpad that is unused and 5u worth of space around the arrow cluster that could be used for Macros/Shortcuts, etc vs modifying the existing layout.
I work T2 IT so my job doesn't involve lots of shortcuts, it mostly involves writing notes, a few shortcuts for screenshots, opening Windows apps, etc. What kinds of jobs benefit from the increased flexibility and shortcuts and how much time/effort does it save? That level of min/max seems more balanced towards: this is technically faster/easier and is fun more than it is to actual efficiency gains. But at the end of the day keyboards are a means to an end and we are just tryng to express ourselves or have a good time while doing it. I'd love to hear some real world use case where these "micro-efficiencies" are measurable benefits.
I think that split space (space on left, backspace on right), should be standard on larger boards.
but why is backspace so far away nowadays? It’s 2u vertically and like 1.5–2u away horizontally with your fingers on the homerow on a standard board, and you’re using your weakest finger for it. Most typists aren’t 100% percent accurate so backspace is going to be used quite frequently. Makes the most sense to have it right next to your space key and using the strongest digit on your hand.
Also no reason for caps lock to be on a 1.75u key. It’s not useful enough to warrant that large of a key.
The left side of a keyboard is a mix of 1u-2.5u keys. So the only key that can be shrunk without really changing the layout is Shift. What would you add in the space granted by shrinking the shift key?
I can't think of I key or string of keys that I use enough to justify it's own button. Same goes with a split space.
The wear pattern on my spacebar is a 1u sized spot below the N key. 2u would easily cover that usage even if I was being sloppy. As a high-mistake typer I'd dearly like to have a backspace-delete where the left side of the spacebar and save my pinky the frequent travel up to the corner of the keyboard.
I think its great that programmable keyboards allow users to create whatever layout floats their boats.
I think its great that programmable keyboards allow users to create whatever layout floats their boats.
I wish more people shared that sentiment. People on r/MechanicalKeyboards will look at a 40% posted and put 0 seconds of thought in before commenting something like “I can’t use this, so it must be unusable. You’re stupid”.
One of the reasons that the hobby is so awesome is that there are about a billion different keyboards with different layouts for pretty much every type of person and use case.
I think its great that programmable keyboards allow users to create whatever layout floats their boats.
I wish more people shared that sentiment. People on r/MechanicalKeyboards will look at a 40% posted and put 0 seconds of thought in before commenting something like “I can’t use this, so it must be unusable. You’re stupid”.
One of the reasons that the hobby is so awesome is that there are about a billion different keyboards with different layouts for pretty much every type of person and use case.
This one of the many reasons why I only use r/MechanicalKeyboards for window shopping while I'm on the train. The _true_ unpopular keyboard opinion here: long-form content on GH encourages proper engagement; Reddit just can't compete. Geekhack might be losing steam over a long, long window, but it will always be the best place to discuss keyboards IMO. (typed on a 'literally unusable' 40%)
I've been in the hobby long enough where seeing a new build of the keyset of the month paired with the group buy delivery of the quarter is no longer interesting. The things that I see that really interest me are
1. Custom work (Cases, PCBs, Handwired, etc) by people who are set out to make something that doesn't exist.
2. "Vintage" keyboards and keycaps before the hobby really blew up (Post-Beige, Pre RGB/Gamer where it was low run group buy aluminum keyboards with group buy keycaps like from Signature Plastic)
3. People who want to mod their keyboard or take the hobby further than "I bought the hot keycap set and the cool keyboard that everyone is talking about". (Tape mod, switch lubing/hybriding, etc)
Geekhack seems to have an older user base and people who have been in the hobby longer and likely have a collection of boards or have tested and ran different layouts/keycap profiles, etc. Because it's not just window shopping or ogling other people's keyboards or setups. It's people sharing their love of keyboards with people who want to ask questions and learn more.
I've been in the hobby long enough where seeing a new build of the keyset of the month paired with the group buy delivery of the quarter is no longer interesting. The things that I see that really interest me are
1. Custom work (Cases, PCBs, Handwired, etc) by people who are set out to make something that doesn't exist.
2. "Vintage" keyboards and keycaps before the hobby really blew up (Post-Beige, Pre RGB/Gamer where it was low run group buy aluminum keyboards with group buy keycaps like from Signature Plastic)
3. People who want to mod their keyboard or take the hobby further than "I bought the hot keycap set and the cool keyboard that everyone is talking about". (Tape mod, switch lubing/hybriding, etc)
Geekhack seems to have an older user base and people who have been in the hobby longer and likely have a collection of boards or have tested and ran different layouts/keycap profiles, etc. Because it's not just window shopping or ogling other people's keyboards or setups. It's people sharing their love of keyboards with people who want to ask questions and learn more.
Yeah that's where I'm at, when it comes to keyboards at least. I know what I am looking for and only go after things that are what I really want. And yeah the things that you said also are like the only things that interest me.
that's why I kinda gravitated towards geekhack in 2023, just wasn't what I was looking for at r/mk.
Also I'm more into artisans now, and r/mk doesn't really focus on keycaps (or at least resin ones that I'm into)
Well I guess it wasn't that unpopular of an opinion, but we might be running into selection bias here.
Long live Geekhack :thumb:
JTK's Cherry profile caps are actually pretty decent IMO! I have some old JTK sets & can see why some people did not find them acceptable. Although I just grabbed a set of JTK Griseann from Swagkeys cause they have it on clearance dirt cheap right now & JTK definitely stepped up their quality. The legends are sharper, much less kerning issues, & no warped long keys comparing to their older sets. Also the tripleshot sets have a slightly deeper sound to them compared to any other doubleshot ABS set (I'm guessing they are a bit thicker at the top of the cap from the extra shot). It looks like they had some sizing & kerning issues on a few keys with this set originally (2.25 L Shifts, 2.75 R Shift, & 1.5u R Ctrl) but the set came with fixed replacements for all of those keys so no big deal there. I've had to get replacement keys for GMK & KKB sets before, so that issue is not exclusive to JTK at all. Also I have become a big fan of Drop's DCX caps because all of the 5 sets I got so far have had zero issues & I like the slightly different font they use for legends (can see why some people don't like the font though).
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JTK Griseann on my TKL One
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DCX Solarized on my MGA Standard