[IC] H1 Linear Switch by HHHH - In-Stock Sale Tomorrow

[dyka.tran]

ooooh i love me some drama. things are heating up in 43's group rn =)

We aren't looking for drama. Just wanted to clear up any confusion that would have inevitably occurred had we not clarified it in the OP.

Don't worry, I believe people here will still buy from quad_h-nim.

On the other hand, have quad_h-nim and you tried lighter springs? 60-70gr?

[renolo]

ooooh i love me some drama. things are heating up in 43's group rn =)

Drama? Where? Drama is always fun : P

[Momo.Kafka]

+1 Dailyclack for Australian vendors

go Phatty !

[dantambok]

there's definitely interest and im sure people will gobble up these switches. let's go!

[tex_live_utility]

I’ve tried 5 different type of JWK switches and they all needed switch films to keep the top housing from rattling.  Any chance you could convince them to get that addressed?   

Tolerances were pretty tight from my impressions, but I'll talk to him to see what I can do to tighten it some more.

I experienced the same, although we have yet to see what happens with the Marshmallow switches.

To be clear, historically films were designed to reduce "wobble" in which the top visibly wobbles side to side when you move the slider around. However nowadays by and I think many people use them to reduce "rattle", in which under normal typing conditions the top housing vibrates against the bottom housing. Cherry MX, Gateron (including Zealios), and JWK switches all seem to need it. Kailh Creams need it too but not all films fit due to their thickness. The difference is mostly noticeable in sound, but you can also feel the reduced vibration depending on how sensitive your fingers are. It's even more noticeable with silent switches. It also tends to increase the tactility of tactile switches.

[walie]

So how do we know JWK isn’t lying to everyone and these are just recoloured alpacas?

[donkey]

I haven't tried Alpacas but have tried C3 Tangerine R2 and Mauves.

1. H1 from the two videos sounds very similar to how Mauves sound. Slightly sharper but that's could easily be attributed to other build factors as well as the microphone. C3 Tangerine R2 sound is closer to Inks and Tealios than these new crop of silky-thocks from JWK.

2. Mauve rattles and filming does not help. What reduced rattle in my Mauve build is lubing, adjusting reducing spring weight, and trying different keycaps and profiles. AFAIK, the sound is made by the top surface of the slider hitting the top housing which is why reducing spring weight or adding more lube there reduces rattle. But it's not clear whether stronger spring, like H1's 78g, will help or hurt with the rattle.

3. IMO these silky-thocks (Alpaca, Mauve, Marshmallow, and now H1) from JWK are the best value linear switches today. The good news is that we've now reached the level of smoothness where what I can best describe as skating feel surfaces prominently. The bad news is that we now have to choose between skating and buttery feel as they don't mix well (lube adds drag that detracts from skating).

UPDATE:

4. I was able to swap top housing easily with Mauves. C3 Tangerine R2 top fits. Aliaz top fits. etc. I think they all use the same housing design and process, changing only the material and coloring. FYI, nyton top had slightly more rattle than polycarb top.

5. I'd like to see JWK make some silky-clacks by making the stem tip slightly longer like Halo and Cream stems. Too loud for office use but more satisfying soundwise.

6. More details of my Mauve build can be found over at Keebtalk: https://www.keebtalk.com/t/easing-into-linears/6855/323?u=donpark

UPDATE2: I won't be getting H1s as-is because a) I already have Mauves (it's mauvelous) and b) 78g is too much for me. But I'd order in an instant if the mentioned 'modification' is longer stem tip for that addictive CLACK!

[quad_h]

So how do we know JWK isn’t lying to everyone and these are just recoloured alpacas?

If the switches were previously made by JWK, they could be similar.
Despite my request, JWK didn't offer me a mold for my own use.
Actually, this my request was rude in JWK's position.
That means the mold can be shared.

Switch designers think they should find their own characteristics through materials, colors, and pressure.
If not, I think we're going to have to make a mold that can only be used on its own.

[Sup]

Interested are there going to be proxies for every region? EU,NA,Asia

[Aatlatlatla]

wow these sound really crisp and thocky

[quad_h]

Interested are there going to be proxies for every region? EU,NA,Asia

I am in talks with NK,MK,DC,ILKB.
I can't afford to send shipping charges abroad. I'm looking for ways to make purchases faster and more comfortable with overseas vendors.

[ttom]

Interested are there going to be proxies for every region? EU,NA,Asia

I am in talks with NK,MK,DC,ILKB.
I can't afford to send shipping charges abroad. I'm looking for ways to make purchases faster and more comfortable with overseas vendors.

glad to hear about mk, looking forward to this 

[dantambok]

oh nice. would love to see an SEA proxy 

[eniigma]

oh nice. would love to see an SEA proxy 

also planned

[delet_d]

is this an HHHH 78g spring, or made to HHHH's spec?

[datfroyodoe]

Any lighter spring avail?

[Smoff]

Any lighter spring avail?

Just swap out the spring for something else my guy. That is what I am gonna do

[lakeboredom]

Why polycarb top housing?

[eniigma]

Why polycarb top housing?

Why not?

In all seriousness though, it's a common material for top housings, and HHHH didn't see any need to change it just for the sake of being different.

The tops are slightly thicker, which reduces the upstroke "clack" noise, so if that was your concern, it shouldn't be an issue.

[lakeboredom]

Just curious, been asking everywhere and the answer seems to be non-existent hah. Seems like all nylon housings sound better so was curious if the PC top was a sound preference akin to milky gaterons.

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[eniigma]

Just curious, been asking everywhere and the answer seems to be non-existent hah. Seems like all nylon housings sound better so was curious if the PC top was a sound preference akin to milky gaterons.

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Polycarb top is chosen mainly for cost-effectiveness. Most switch manufacturers (including JWK) just don't want to produce full nylon switches as it isn't as cost effective as polycarbonate.

To compensate, HHHH has increased the thickness of the tops to better the sound profile. Hope that answers your question.

[nickaster1]

Just curious, been asking everywhere and the answer seems to be non-existent hah. Seems like all nylon housings sound better so was curious if the PC top was a sound preference akin to milky gaterons.

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Polycarb top is chosen mainly for cost-effectiveness. Most switch manufacturers (including JWK) just don't want to produce full nylon switches as it isn't as cost effective as polycarbonate.

To compensate, HHHH has increased the thickness of the tops to better the sound profile. Hope that answers your question.

I don’t have anything against poly housings, but I think it’d do the switch tremendously if the tolerances are comparable to the panda switches.

Also that makes me hope for a nylon housing with tighter tolerances. Please someone take down Cherry


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[eniigma]

Just curious, been asking everywhere and the answer seems to be non-existent hah. Seems like all nylon housings sound better so was curious if the PC top was a sound preference akin to milky gaterons.

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Polycarb top is chosen mainly for cost-effectiveness. Most switch manufacturers (including JWK) just don't want to produce full nylon switches as it isn't as cost effective as polycarbonate.

To compensate, HHHH has increased the thickness of the tops to better the sound profile. Hope that answers your question.

I don’t have anything against poly housings, but I think it’d do the switch tremendously if the tolerances are comparable to the panda switches.

Also that makes me hope for a nylon housing with tighter tolerances. Please someone take down Cherry


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Can confirm that the tolerances are quite tight. Not sure if they're Panda tight (those hurt my hands to open), but they're tight enough that I don't feel like they need switch films.

[lakeboredom]

Just curious, been asking everywhere and the answer seems to be non-existent hah. Seems like all nylon housings sound better so was curious if the PC top was a sound preference akin to milky gaterons.

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Polycarb top is chosen mainly for cost-effectiveness. Most switch manufacturers (including JWK) just don't want to produce full nylon switches as it isn't as cost effective as polycarbonate.

To compensate, HHHH has increased the thickness of the tops to better the sound profile. Hope that answers your question.

It definitely does, thank you!

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[quad_h]

is this an HHHH 78g spring, or made to HHHH's spec?

That's not my spring.
This is a JWK requested spring for pressure similar to Cherry Black.

[dyka.tran]

is this an HHHH 78g spring, or made to HHHH's spec?

That's not my spring.
This is a JWK requested spring for pressure similar to Cherry Black.

Hi HHHH-nim, does this switch still work well with lighter spring (60-70gr)?

[lakeboredom]

is this an HHHH 78g spring, or made to HHHH's spec?

That's not my spring.
This is a JWK requested spring for pressure similar to Cherry Black.

Hi HHHH-nim, does this switch still work well with lighter spring (60-70gr)?

It's a linear switch homie.

[eniigma]

is this an HHHH 78g spring, or made to HHHH's spec?

That's not my spring.
This is a JWK requested spring for pressure similar to Cherry Black.

Hi HHHH-nim, does this switch still work well with lighter spring (60-70gr)?

I did a spring swap, and it works as well as you'd expect, considering nothing else is changing.

[Esquimo]

Interested for sure, love my speed heavy yellows and tealio, so obviously wanting to give these a go.

[Prelim]

saying Polycarb top is chosen mainly for cost-effectiveness in $1 switches, when Cherry/Gateron full nylon switches are being sold for $0.2-0.5 is ridiculous! 

[Oblotzky]

I received a sample of these the other day, but currently waiting on my Jane V2 CE to build them and fully review (will use TX switch films and Singa 45g springs). But trying them in hand they feel great so far, smooth and wobble is less than MX Blacks I believe.

saying Polycarb top is chosen mainly for cost-effectiveness in $1 switches, when Cherry/Gateron full nylon switches are being sold for $0.2-0.5 is ridiculous! 

Cherry/Gateron are established manufacturers that produce millions of switches, that helps a lot in bringing down pricing.

[Zeelobby]

saying Polycarb top is chosen mainly for cost-effectiveness in $1 switches, when Cherry/Gateron full nylon switches are being sold for $0.2-0.5 is ridiculous! 

Economies of scale.

[eniigma]

saying Polycarb top is chosen mainly for cost-effectiveness in $1 switches, when Cherry/Gateron full nylon switches are being sold for $0.2-0.5 is ridiculous! 

Economies of scale.

[Angelsin]

I've heard rumors that you didn't pay for the new molds on recent batches ? Do you have anything to say against these rumors ?

[Zeelobby]

I've heard rumors that you didn't pay for the new molds on recent batches ? Do you have anything to say against these rumors ?

Was he supposed to? Don't see anything in the OP saying new molds would be made?

[ShAzz]

If the guys name is hxxxhxxxhxxxhxxxx and the guy is called HHHH or QuadH why are these called H1s and not H4s?

[dyka.tran]

I've heard rumors that you didn't pay for the new molds on recent batches ? Do you have anything to say against these rumors ?

What kind of tone is this? Are you some kind of reporter who wants to dig up some scandal. quad_h already answered:

Funny. I have seen a very similar switch in China comunication. Its called 'obsidian', and its made by JWK as well.

That's it. That's what I thought. I want to avoid this misunderstanding. I was selling it in Korea while it was receiving applications. Isn't it really funny? I don't think there can be a monopoly on color and pressure. Also, I did not create a new mold and I did it by asking for modification of the existing mold. I think a switch of similar concept can be made because it belongs to JWK.

[Angelsin]

I've heard rumors that you didn't pay for the new molds on recent batches ? Do you have anything to say against these rumors ?

What kind of tone is this? Are you some kind of reporter who wants to dig up some scandal. quad_h already answered:

Funny. I have seen a very similar switch in China comunication. Its called 'obsidian', and its made by JWK as well.

That's it. That's what I thought. I want to avoid this misunderstanding. I was selling it in Korea while it was receiving applications. Isn't it really funny? I don't think there can be a monopoly on color and pressure. Also, I did not create a new mold and I did it by asking for modification of the existing mold. I think a switch of similar concept can be made because it belongs to JWK.

Not quad H, Enigma.


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[Prelim]

Economies of scale.

the most absurd is end up paying a high price for a "special switch" and still need to change the top for a nylon one, harvested from regular cherry/gateron switches lol

[keyberzerker]

Economies of scale.

the most absurd is end up paying a high price for a "special switch" and still need to change the top for a nylon one, harvested from regular cherry/gateron switches lol

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And why would you "need to change the top" ?

These switches will be a lot smoother in operation to any regular cherry or gateron switch + they have their own sound signature. These are not there to copy vintage blacks but to create more smooth and even maybe thockier alternative.

[Zeelobby]

Yeah. I don't see any real reason to change if the switch feels good. I've used switches of every type of housing, and even between two with the same materials, one can feel better than the other. There's so many factors that go into it.

[Prelim]

And why would you "need to change the top" ?

just because nylon sounds better and fit tightly, not requiring the usage of switch films like the rest of the switches with PC tops?

[Zeelobby]

And why would you "need to change the top" ?

just because nylon sounds better and fit tightly, not requiring the usage of switch films like the rest of the switches with PC tops?

If one balks over switch film pricing, this is not the hobby for them. Lol.

[keyberzerker]

And why would you "need to change the top" ?

just because nylon sounds better and fit tightly, not requiring the usage of switch films like the rest of the switches with PC tops?

Dude switch films were made for vintage blacks....

[Prelim]

Dude switch films were made for vintage blacks....

lol? this thread noob level is getting insane...

[keyberzerker]

Dude switch films were made for vintage blacks....

lol? this thread noob level is getting insane...

kek stick to your cherry blacks 

Amount of yikes you can get by some people feeling personally threatened or insulted by any other switch or its supporters that dares to challenge THE CHERRY BLACK is amazing!

[Prelim]

I don't even use Cherry blacks @@

[Zeelobby]

Dude switch films were made for vintage blacks....

lol? this thread noob level is getting insane...

kek stick to your cherry blacks 

Amount of yikes you can get by some people feeling personally threatened or insulted by any other switch or its supporters that dares to challenge THE CHERRY BLACK is amazing!

Apparently no one should make anything else ever. That'd show us.

Lotta angst over these switches. If only we could distill it into switch form...

[juaninamilli]

So many feeling in this thread. Only thing I wish is that they came with zero lube. Any chance that would happen? As someone who lubes, its more work to clean off someone else’s non careful application. Not to mention, who knows what type of lube it is. Personal preference of feel and sound is such a variable, I’m surprised this isn’t brought up more.

[vaughno]

Dude switch films were made for vintage blacks....

lol? this thread noob level is getting insane...

kek stick to your cherry blacks 

Amount of yikes you can get by some people feeling personally threatened or insulted by any other switch or its supporters that dares to challenge THE CHERRY BLACK is amazing!

Oh