[GB] Gateron Switch (CLOSED)

[RavenII]

Some Squeaks may fixed with re-positioning of springs,
As you know, springs have directions at both ends.  It affects it's movement, afaic 

Gateron may feel frictionless compare to current Reds or Blacks, thou Not as much as the good Vintage Blacks.
If you are a MX Red user, my 55g (actuation 45g) is a counterpart   

So 55g springs are better? I'm thinking about swapping my Gateron Black springs to something a slight bit lighter....but I want a little heavier than MX Reds....

A bit heavier than MX reds will be my 60g (actuation 50g) 
My 55g (actuation 45g) is similar to MX Reds, with more stability and quick responces.
Stock Gateron springs are nice,  but a bit narrow choices  in my opinion   

Gotcha.

[rsac]

Got my switches! It arrived much faster than I expected. Also, no missing or extra switches. It was taxed by the declared value. The package gave in a bit and there are some pins bent, but I hope nothing is broken. Overall it was a nice experience.

The switches seems to feel exactly as I hopped, especially the browns. Well, the blacks might be a bit heavier than I like (luckily only bought a few to sample), but I still have to test it in an actual keyboard.

Thank you Shadovved! Looking forward for other group buys organized by you with cheap keyboard parts. 

[Glod]

been using a keyboard with gaterons all day, gateron blacks, PCB Mounted, and they were as good as people said they would be. I am enjoying them, good as if not better than MX blacks from a used cherry board.

kind of want to try out the brown switches now, maybe if massdrop does another drop...

[cupr]

Got mine.
But now.. who can give an advice how to mix cherry browns and gateron clears?

[Findecanor]

I opened up a vintage Cherry MX Brown and a Gateron brown and tested interchanging parts.

The unmodified Gateron Brown is more tactile than the vintage MX brown but the vintage MX switch is smoother.
However, when I had swapped just the sliders then both switches felt about equal in both tactility and smoothness.

I also tested swapping the brass parts: the leaf spring and "stationary contact"  that have the "gold cross point".
I found that Cherry's brass parts do fit inside the Gateron housing, but not the opposite: Gateron's "stationary contact" part is apparently too thick to fit into the slot at the bottom of the Cherry MX housing.

[ideus]

I opened up a vintage Cherry MX Brown and a Gateron brown and tested interchanging parts.

The unmodified Gateron Brown is more tactile than the vintage MX brown but the vintage MX switch is smoother.
However, when I had swapped just the sliders then both switches felt about equal in both tactility and smoothness.

I also tested swapping the brass parts: the leaf spring and "stationary contact"  that have the "gold cross point".
I found that Cherry's brass parts do fit inside the Gateron housing, but not the opposite: Gateron's "stationary contact" part is apparently too thick to fit into the slot at the bottom of the Cherry MX housing.

Interesting report.

[mecano]

Shadovved, tracking update, it now shows switches had left on the 11th to get back to you, they should arrive soon.

11/05/2015 Départ de France ROISSY COURRIER INTERNATIONAL PIC

Tell me when it's ok and that you are sending them back to the right address.

[greath]

So what's the group consensus on the gateron browns compared to cherry browns/clears?

[MrRooks]

So what's the group consensus on the gateron browns compared to cherry browns/clears?

I doubt this is specific to browns but I have gateron browns in my most recent build and OG Dolch caps catch on the switch tops. Trying to look through this thread for a solution.

[greath]

So what's the group consensus on the gateron browns compared to cherry browns/clears?

I doubt this is specific to browns but I have gateron browns in my most recent build and OG Dolch caps catch on the switch tops. Trying to look through this thread for a solution.

Check this thread: https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=70376.msg1696546#msg1696546

Beyond the catch, what do you think of the switch?

[MrRooks]

So what's the group consensus on the gateron browns compared to cherry browns/clears?

I doubt this is specific to browns but I have gateron browns in my most recent build and OG Dolch caps catch on the switch tops. Trying to look through this thread for a solution.

Check this thread: https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=70376.msg1696546#msg1696546

Beyond the catch, what do you think of the switch?

Thanks! That looks good, unfortunately I thin that means I need to pull my whole keyboard apart to fix it which sucks as I also put LEDs in it >_>

When I use caps that don't catch they feel great! I prefer them to my cherry browns, they are also lubed with Krytox GPL103.

[greath]

When I use caps that don't catch they feel great! I prefer them to my cherry browns, they are also lubed with Krytox GPL103.

Because of smoothness, impact of tactility, or other?
Are you using the stock springs?

[MrRooks]

When I use caps that don't catch they feel great! I prefer them to my cherry browns, they are also lubed with Krytox GPL103.

Because of smoothness, impact of tactility, or other?
Are you using the stock springs?

Stock springs, I like them because of the smoothness. Tactility feels similar to me, other than it being smoother on the Gaterons. That said they are pretty close and blind folded at normal typing speed I'm not sure I'd be able to tell the difference.

*edit*
I took apart some of my extra Gaterons and none of them have the lip in the thread that was linked. Hmm

Another edit... I tried filing the bottom edge of a keycap on the ones that catch and it fixes the issue. That might be my solution, just a pain to file down 82 keycaps. Doing a side by side I can see the switch tops from Cherry have a TINY gap on the switch top, between the stem. Seems that allows caps to not catch. Filing that edge of thick cap stems makes it go away.

[Ngt]

When I use caps that don't catch they feel great! I prefer them to my cherry browns, they are also lubed with Krytox GPL103.

Because of smoothness, impact of tactility, or other?
Are you using the stock springs?

Stock springs, I like them because of the smoothness. Tactility feels similar to me, other than it being smoother on the Gaterons. That said they are pretty close and blind folded at normal typing speed I'm not sure I'd be able to tell the difference.

*edit*
I took apart some of my extra Gaterons and none of them have the lip in the thread that was linked. Hmm

Another edit... I tried filing the bottom edge of a keycap on the ones that catch and it fixes the issue. That might be my solution, just a pain to file down 82 keycaps. Doing a side by side I can see the switch tops from Cherry have a TINY gap on the switch top, between the stem. Seems that allows caps to not catch. Filing that edge of thick stems makes it go away.

What do you fill it with?

[MrRooks]

When I use caps that don't catch they feel great! I prefer them to my cherry browns, they are also lubed with Krytox GPL103.

Because of smoothness, impact of tactility, or other?
Are you using the stock springs?

Stock springs, I like them because of the smoothness. Tactility feels similar to me, other than it being smoother on the Gaterons. That said they are pretty close and blind folded at normal typing speed I'm not sure I'd be able to tell the difference.

*edit*
I took apart some of my extra Gaterons and none of them have the lip in the thread that was linked. Hmm

Another edit... I tried filing the bottom edge of a keycap on the ones that catch and it fixes the issue. That might be my solution, just a pain to file down 82 keycaps. Doing a side by side I can see the switch tops from Cherry have a TINY gap on the switch top, between the stem. Seems that allows caps to not catch. Filing that edge of thick stems makes it go away.

What do you fill it with?

filed not filled.

[Ngt]

When I use caps that don't catch they feel great! I prefer them to my cherry browns, they are also lubed with Krytox GPL103.

Because of smoothness, impact of tactility, or other?
Are you using the stock springs?

Stock springs, I like them because of the smoothness. Tactility feels similar to me, other than it being smoother on the Gaterons. That said they are pretty close and blind folded at normal typing speed I'm not sure I'd be able to tell the difference.

*edit*
I took apart some of my extra Gaterons and none of them have the lip in the thread that was linked. Hmm

Another edit... I tried filing the bottom edge of a keycap on the ones that catch and it fixes the issue. That might be my solution, just a pain to file down 82 keycaps. Doing a side by side I can see the switch tops from Cherry have a TINY gap on the switch top, between the stem. Seems that allows caps to not catch. Filing that edge of thick stems makes it go away.

What do you fill it with?

filed not filled.

Ohh fair enough. I feel dumb on this one ... Thanks for the clarification.

[hwood34]

Thanks to everyone for making this such a hugely successful GB! Feels really awesome to have everything go so smoothly and have most everyone satisfied with the product. Certainly is strange that Gateron appeared to slightly adjust the mold or something of the like in the middle of the order, but hopefully after seeing how many people are interested they'll make themselves more accessible to international and non-commercial buyers. Maybe even a round 2 is in order...

[wlhlm]

Thanks again to the organizers Shadovved and hwood!

[Ngt]

Thanks to everyone for making this such a hugely successful GB! Feels really awesome to have everything go so smoothly and have most everyone satisfied with the product. Certainly is strange that Gateron appeared to slightly adjust the mold or something of the like in the middle of the order, but hopefully after seeing how many people are interested they'll make themselves more accessible to international and non-commercial buyers. Maybe even a round 2 is in order...

That's thanks to Shadovved's and your hardwork that the GB went smoothly. We are the one that should be thanking you!

[RavenII]

Thanks to everyone for making this such a hugely successful GB! Feels really awesome to have everything go so smoothly and have most everyone satisfied with the product. Certainly is strange that Gateron appeared to slightly adjust the mold or something of the like in the middle of the order, but hopefully after seeing how many people are interested they'll make themselves more accessible to international and non-commercial buyers. Maybe even a round 2 is in order...

I'm definitely happy with mine, thanks for all of your guys' hard work.

On another note, I don't think there's anything wrong with their mold...well, I guess the argument could be made that there is since this "issue" doesn't exist with Cherry MX...but I think that Gaterons are actually made with tighter clearances...they definitely feel like they're put together tighter....less wiggling, etc.

Also, it seems that only the ABS Doubleshots that I have cause this issue...and it seems to only be the zxcvbnm,./ keys...so it might be something with that also. Either way, use decent keycaps, be happy.

[greath]

If anyone wants to sell ~100 gateron browns, let me know!

[mecano]

Uh? Closed? But… I didn't received mine!

[ideus]

I got them yesterday, they work just fine; though, it appears the "issues" reported are vaporware. They fit a GON PCB just fine, and there are no interference with a Granite set.

[mecano]

Feels really awesome to have everything go so smoothly

Sorry to sound like that but that must be a kind of a joke isn't it?
First you made numerous errors on invoice quantities. Ok can happen. You can still call it smooth.
Then I had issued a secondary payment (I did as gift to ease things for you) because of shipment fee error on your side. A little hicup, call it smooth still.
Then again a mistake on your side on the city address and I had to wait for the switches to go back to Shadovved, ok maybe Shadovved could have proposed to send anyway a second batch if possible as the error was clearly on your side. But ok I am a patient boy, I wait.
Now the switches are said as delivered back to Singapore and I have no news except this "Feels really awesome to have everything go so smoothly", now I'm starting to wonder what kind of smoothness you are talking about…

[JonasDK]

Feels really awesome to have everything go so smoothly

Sorry to sound like that but that must be a kind of a joke isn't it?
First you made numerous errors on invoice quantities. Ok can happen. You can still call it smooth.
Then I had issued a secondary payment (I did as gift to ease things for you) because of shipment fee error on your side. A little hicup, call it smooth still.
Then again a mistake on your side on the city address and I had to wait for the switches to go back to Shadovved, ok maybe Shadovved could have proposed to send anyway a second batch if possible as the error was clearly on your side. But ok I am a patient boy, I wait.
Now the switches are said as delivered back to Singapore and I have no news except this "Feels really awesome to have everything go so smoothly", now I'm starting to wonder what kind of smoothness you are talking about…

When a GB with over a hundred thousand switches is finished within a few months that is pretty impressive if not record breaking. I received my order one month and eight days after invoices were due, which is quite incredible as I think all of our orders were hand sorted(?). To put this in perspective the GH60 GB is still running even though invoices were paid over two years ago.

[mecano]

Feels really awesome to have everything go so smoothly

Sorry to sound like that but that must be a kind of a joke isn't it?
First you made numerous errors on invoice quantities. Ok can happen. You can still call it smooth.
Then I had issued a secondary payment (I did as gift to ease things for you) because of shipment fee error on your side. A little hicup, call it smooth still.
Then again a mistake on your side on the city address and I had to wait for the switches to go back to Shadovved, ok maybe Shadovved could have proposed to send anyway a second batch if possible as the error was clearly on your side. But ok I am a patient boy, I wait.
Now the switches are said as delivered back to Singapore and I have no news except this "Feels really awesome to have everything go so smoothly", now I'm starting to wonder what kind of smoothness you are talking about…

When a GB with over a hundred thousand switches is finished within a few months that is pretty impressive if not record breaking. I received my order one month and eight days after invoices were due, which is quite incredible as I think all of our orders were hand sorted(?). To put this in perspective the GH60 GB is still running even though invoices were paid over two years ago.

Sure, still everything has not gone so smoothly and is not closed, hwood is maybe feeling awesomeness and I'm happy for her but the rest is a pretty inconsistent report.

[RavenII]

The "closed" status is (and I'm ASSuming here...) to notify people that the GB status is complete/not taking orders/in its final stages...

Not that everything and everyone is happy...

[hwood34]

Feels really awesome to have everything go so smoothly

Sorry to sound like that but that must be a kind of a joke isn't it?
First you made numerous errors on invoice quantities. Ok can happen. You can still call it smooth.
Then I had issued a secondary payment (I did as gift to ease things for you) because of shipment fee error on your side. A little hicup, call it smooth still.
Then again a mistake on your side on the city address and I had to wait for the switches to go back to Shadovved, ok maybe Shadovved could have proposed to send anyway a second batch if possible as the error was clearly on your side. But ok I am a patient boy, I wait.
Now the switches are said as delivered back to Singapore and I have no news except this "Feels really awesome to have everything go so smoothly", now I'm starting to wonder what kind of smoothness you are talking about…

When a GB with over a hundred thousand switches is finished within a few months that is pretty impressive if not record breaking. I received my order one month and eight days after invoices were due, which is quite incredible as I think all of our orders were hand sorted(?). To put this in perspective the GH60 GB is still running even though invoices were paid over two years ago.

Sure, still everything has not gone so smoothly and is not closed, hwood is maybe feeling awesomeness and I'm happy for her but the rest is a pretty inconsistent report.

well he (not even sure where you got that assumption) probably feels as though everything has gone over smoothly considering that in 441 orders, a small handful (frankly I can only remember yours but there may be one or two more) have had a substantial problem like yours. In my book a 99.77% planned fulfillment constitutes a success.

And like RavenII said, the "closed" status is to inform people that the buy is no longer taking orders or selling extras.

[mecano]

Feels really awesome to have everything go so smoothly

Sorry to sound like that but that must be a kind of a joke isn't it?
First you made numerous errors on invoice quantities. Ok can happen. You can still call it smooth.
Then I had issued a secondary payment (I did as gift to ease things for you) because of shipment fee error on your side. A little hicup, call it smooth still.
Then again a mistake on your side on the city address and I had to wait for the switches to go back to Shadovved, ok maybe Shadovved could have proposed to send anyway a second batch if possible as the error was clearly on your side. But ok I am a patient boy, I wait.
Now the switches are said as delivered back to Singapore and I have no news except this "Feels really awesome to have everything go so smoothly", now I'm starting to wonder what kind of smoothness you are talking about…

When a GB with over a hundred thousand switches is finished within a few months that is pretty impressive if not record breaking. I received my order one month and eight days after invoices were due, which is quite incredible as I think all of our orders were hand sorted(?). To put this in perspective the GH60 GB is still running even though invoices were paid over two years ago.

Sure, still everything has not gone so smoothly and is not closed, hwood is maybe feeling awesomeness and I'm happy for her but the rest is a pretty inconsistent report.

well he (not even sure where you got that assumption) probably feels as though everything has gone over smoothly considering that in 441 orders, a small handful (frankly I can only remember yours but there may be one or two more) have had a substantial problem like yours. In my book a 99.77% planned fulfillment constitutes a success.

And like RavenII said, the "closed" status is to inform people that the buy is no longer taking orders or selling extras.

Well I've been invoiced by and sent money to a she paypal account, don't you remember? I assumed it was you.

Now… Can't you just be normal and stop acting like a Monkey Island Stan? (Hey Stan, if a small handful had troubles and I'm .23% of 441 how do you get the 99,77%? Huh? Planned? You mean YOU PLANNED ALL THIS?)

Really not funny to read you and I'm not even sure what is the more sad,
- the fact you took the time to calculate the .23% I am representing in this sale and by this manner reducing me to a negligible quantity in your holy book of numbers and to the good people of this board;
- the fact that you are clearly spitting out this in public (not that I care much, but you should take more care or conscience on how you are showing to the board, especially if you are needing the rest of the board trust and respect which you clearly are for GB and such);
or
- the fact you are so full of self contentment and esteem that you doesn't stand behind your failures and need to hide behind fairy dust.

Your maths are wrong 99,77% doesn't make 100% btw.

[ghostjuggernaut]

Feels really awesome to have everything go so smoothly

Sorry to sound like that but that must be a kind of a joke isn't it?
First you made numerous errors on invoice quantities. Ok can happen. You can still call it smooth.
Then I had issued a secondary payment (I did as gift to ease things for you) because of shipment fee error on your side. A little hicup, call it smooth still.
Then again a mistake on your side on the city address and I had to wait for the switches to go back to Shadovved, ok maybe Shadovved could have proposed to send anyway a second batch if possible as the error was clearly on your side. But ok I am a patient boy, I wait.
Now the switches are said as delivered back to Singapore and I have no news except this "Feels really awesome to have everything go so smoothly", now I'm starting to wonder what kind of smoothness you are talking about…

When a GB with over a hundred thousand switches is finished within a few months that is pretty impressive if not record breaking. I received my order one month and eight days after invoices were due, which is quite incredible as I think all of our orders were hand sorted(?). To put this in perspective the GH60 GB is still running even though invoices were paid over two years ago.

Sure, still everything has not gone so smoothly and is not closed, hwood is maybe feeling awesomeness and I'm happy for her but the rest is a pretty inconsistent report.

well he (not even sure where you got that assumption) probably feels as though everything has gone over smoothly considering that in 441 orders, a small handful (frankly I can only remember yours but there may be one or two more) have had a substantial problem like yours. In my book a 99.77% planned fulfillment constitutes a success.

And like RavenII said, the "closed" status is to inform people that the buy is no longer taking orders or selling extras.

Well I've been invoiced by and sent money to a she paypal account, don't you remember? I assumed it was you.

Now… Can't you just be normal and stop acting like a Monkey Island Stan? (Hey Stan, if a small handful had troubles and I'm .23% of 441 how do you get the 99,77%? Huh? Planned? You mean YOU PLANNED ALL THIS?)

Really not funny to read you and I'm not even sure what is the more sad,
- the fact you took the time to calculate the .23% I am representing in this sale and by this manner reducing me to a negligible quantity in your holy book of numbers and to the good people of this board;
- the fact that you are clearly spitting out this in public (not that I care much, but you should take more care or conscience on how you are showing to the board, especially if you are needing the rest of the board trust and respect which you clearly are for GB and such);
or
- the fact you are so full of self contentment and esteem that you doesn't stand behind your failures and need to hide behind fairy dust.

Your maths are wrong 99,77% doesn't make 100% btw.

Dude... Chill out.

[JonasDK]

Feels really awesome to have everything go so smoothly

Sorry to sound like that but that must be a kind of a joke isn't it?
First you made numerous errors on invoice quantities. Ok can happen. You can still call it smooth.
Then I had issued a secondary payment (I did as gift to ease things for you) because of shipment fee error on your side. A little hicup, call it smooth still.
Then again a mistake on your side on the city address and I had to wait for the switches to go back to Shadovved, ok maybe Shadovved could have proposed to send anyway a second batch if possible as the error was clearly on your side. But ok I am a patient boy, I wait.
Now the switches are said as delivered back to Singapore and I have no news except this "Feels really awesome to have everything go so smoothly", now I'm starting to wonder what kind of smoothness you are talking about�

When a GB with over a hundred thousand switches is finished within a few months that is pretty impressive if not record breaking. I received my order one month and eight days after invoices were due, which is quite incredible as I think all of our orders were hand sorted(?). To put this in perspective the GH60 GB is still running even though invoices were paid over two years ago.

Sure, still everything has not gone so smoothly and is not closed, hwood is maybe feeling awesomeness and I'm happy for her but the rest is a pretty inconsistent report.

well he (not even sure where you got that assumption) probably feels as though everything has gone over smoothly considering that in 441 orders, a small handful (frankly I can only remember yours but there may be one or two more) have had a substantial problem like yours. In my book a 99.77% planned fulfillment constitutes a success.

And like RavenII said, the "closed" status is to inform people that the buy is no longer taking orders or selling extras.

(Hey Stan, if a small handful had troubles and I'm .23% of 441 how do you get the 99,77%?

Your maths are wrong 99,77% doesn't make 100% btw.

wat


100% - 0,23% = 99,77%, I really can't see the problem here.

And this is pretty much getting absurd.

[hwood34]

ok so just in case you aren't actually trolling:

Feels really awesome to have everything go so smoothly

Sorry to sound like that but that must be a kind of a joke isn't it?
First you made numerous errors on invoice quantities. Ok can happen. You can still call it smooth.
Then I had issued a secondary payment (I did as gift to ease things for you) because of shipment fee error on your side. A little hicup, call it smooth still.
Then again a mistake on your side on the city address and I had to wait for the switches to go back to Shadovved, ok maybe Shadovved could have proposed to send anyway a second batch if possible as the error was clearly on your side. But ok I am a patient boy, I wait.
Now the switches are said as delivered back to Singapore and I have no news except this "Feels really awesome to have everything go so smoothly", now I'm starting to wonder what kind of smoothness you are talking about…

When a GB with over a hundred thousand switches is finished within a few months that is pretty impressive if not record breaking. I received my order one month and eight days after invoices were due, which is quite incredible as I think all of our orders were hand sorted(?). To put this in perspective the GH60 GB is still running even though invoices were paid over two years ago.

Sure, still everything has not gone so smoothly and is not closed, hwood is maybe feeling awesomeness and I'm happy for her but the rest is a pretty inconsistent report.

well he (not even sure where you got that assumption) probably feels as though everything has gone over smoothly considering that in 441 orders, a small handful (frankly I can only remember yours but there may be one or two more) have had a substantial problem like yours. In my book a 99.77% planned fulfillment constitutes a success.

And like RavenII said, the "closed" status is to inform people that the buy is no longer taking orders or selling extras.

Well I've been invoiced by and sent money to a she paypal account, don't you remember? I assumed it was you.

fair enough

Now… Can't you just be normal and stop acting like a Monkey Island Stan? (Hey Stan, if a small handful had troubles and I'm .23% of 441 how do you get the 99,77%? Huh? Planned? You mean YOU PLANNED ALL THIS?)

wut

Really not funny to read you and I'm not even sure what is the more sad,
- the fact you took the time to calculate the .23% I am representing in this sale and by this manner reducing me to a negligible quantity in your holy book of numbers and to the good people of this board;

I said that because it outlined the fact that such a small percentage of orders improperly handled constitutes a successful GB, not to reduce the magnitude of your problem.

- the fact that you are clearly spitting out this in public (not that I care much, but you should take more care or conscience on how you are showing to the board, especially if you are needing the rest of the board trust and respect which you clearly are for GB and such);

I continued where you started

- the fact you are so full of self contentment and esteem that you doesn't stand behind your failures and need to hide behind fairy dust.

Yeah, I'm pretty content with me and Shadovved (especially Shadovved) being able to organize a buy in which nearly every single person was happy. Don't really understand the second part, I admitted that your order was incorrectly handled and stood behind numbers (which I guess is fairy dust now?)

Your maths are wrong 99,77% doesn't make 100% btw.

+ 0.23% it does

[mecano]

Feels really awesome to have everything go so smoothly

Sorry to sound like that but that must be a kind of a joke isn't it?
First you made numerous errors on invoice quantities. Ok can happen. You can still call it smooth.
Then I had issued a secondary payment (I did as gift to ease things for you) because of shipment fee error on your side. A little hicup, call it smooth still.
Then again a mistake on your side on the city address and I had to wait for the switches to go back to Shadovved, ok maybe Shadovved could have proposed to send anyway a second batch if possible as the error was clearly on your side. But ok I am a patient boy, I wait.
Now the switches are said as delivered back to Singapore and I have no news except this "Feels really awesome to have everything go so smoothly", now I'm starting to wonder what kind of smoothness you are talking about�

When a GB with over a hundred thousand switches is finished within a few months that is pretty impressive if not record breaking. I received my order one month and eight days after invoices were due, which is quite incredible as I think all of our orders were hand sorted(?). To put this in perspective the GH60 GB is still running even though invoices were paid over two years ago.

Sure, still everything has not gone so smoothly and is not closed, hwood is maybe feeling awesomeness and I'm happy for her but the rest is a pretty inconsistent report.

well he (not even sure where you got that assumption) probably feels as though everything has gone over smoothly considering that in 441 orders, a small handful (frankly I can only remember yours but there may be one or two more) have had a substantial problem like yours. In my book a 99.77% planned fulfillment constitutes a success.

And like RavenII said, the "closed" status is to inform people that the buy is no longer taking orders or selling extras.

(Hey Stan, if a small handful had troubles and I'm .23% of 441 how do you get the 99,77%?

Your maths are wrong 99,77% doesn't make 100% btw.

wat


100% - 0,23% = 99,77%, I really can't see the problem here.

And this is pretty much getting absurd.

He said an handfull… so an handfull can't be only one person is it? Or is he saying nothing and anything?

[azhdar]

Can we calm down here, problems happen in all group buy, you were unlucky mecano.

Do you need you switches quickly for a build?

If yes and it's gateron blacks, I wouldn't mind sending you some of mine since you're in France too.

[hwood34]

Feels really awesome to have everything go so smoothly

Sorry to sound like that but that must be a kind of a joke isn't it?
First you made numerous errors on invoice quantities. Ok can happen. You can still call it smooth.
Then I had issued a secondary payment (I did as gift to ease things for you) because of shipment fee error on your side. A little hicup, call it smooth still.
Then again a mistake on your side on the city address and I had to wait for the switches to go back to Shadovved, ok maybe Shadovved could have proposed to send anyway a second batch if possible as the error was clearly on your side. But ok I am a patient boy, I wait.
Now the switches are said as delivered back to Singapore and I have no news except this "Feels really awesome to have everything go so smoothly", now I'm starting to wonder what kind of smoothness you are talking about�

When a GB with over a hundred thousand switches is finished within a few months that is pretty impressive if not record breaking. I received my order one month and eight days after invoices were due, which is quite incredible as I think all of our orders were hand sorted(?). To put this in perspective the GH60 GB is still running even though invoices were paid over two years ago.

Sure, still everything has not gone so smoothly and is not closed, hwood is maybe feeling awesomeness and I'm happy for her but the rest is a pretty inconsistent report.

well he (not even sure where you got that assumption) probably feels as though everything has gone over smoothly considering that in 441 orders, a small handful (frankly I can only remember yours but there may be one or two more) have had a substantial problem like yours. In my book a 99.77% planned fulfillment constitutes a success.

And like RavenII said, the "closed" status is to inform people that the buy is no longer taking orders or selling extras.

(Hey Stan, if a small handful had troubles and I'm .23% of 441 how do you get the 99,77%?

Your maths are wrong 99,77% doesn't make 100% btw.

wat


100% - 0,23% = 99,77%, I really can't see the problem here.

And this is pretty much getting absurd.

He said an handfull… so an handfull can't be only one person is it? Or is he saying nothing and anything?

I calculated for the only order I could think of but conceded that there might possibly be more

[mecano]

ok so just in case you aren't actually trolling:

Now… Can't you just be normal and stop acting like a Monkey Island Stan? (Hey Stan, if a small handful had troubles and I'm .23% of 441 how do you get the 99,77%? Huh? Planned? You mean YOU PLANNED ALL THIS?)

wut

considering that in 441 orders, a small handful (frankly I can only remember yours but there may be one or two more) have had a substantial problem like yours. In my book a 99.77% planned fulfillment constitutes a success.

Really not funny to read you and I'm not even sure what is the more sad,
- the fact you took the time to calculate the .23% I am representing in this sale and by this manner reducing me to a negligible quantity in your holy book of numbers and to the good people of this board;

I said that because it outlined the fact that such a small percentage of orders improperly handled constitutes a successful GB, not to reduce the magnitude of your problem.

Oh you weren't responding to me then. I thought you were.
I didn't talk about the success of the GB, I didn't even quote it.

- the fact that you are clearly spitting out this in public (not that I care much, but you should take more care or conscience on how you are showing to the board, especially if you are needing the rest of the board trust and respect which you clearly are for GB and such);

I continued where you started

If it makes you comfy with your mistakes, be my guest.

- the fact you are so full of self contentment and esteem that you doesn't stand behind your failures and need to hide behind fairy dust.

Yeah, I'm pretty content with me and Shadovved (especially Shadovved) being able to organize a buy in which nearly every single person was happy. Don't really understand the second part, I admitted that your order was incorrectly handled and stood behind numbers (which I guess is fairy dust now?)

I can't help you much on this one, I guess pretty everyone will nod on this one. You are not saying anymore things like 'everything' or 'everyone' now… Thank you for that 

Your maths are wrong 99,77% doesn't make 100% btw.

+ 0.23% it does

You mean me? Well it doesn't then or do you have as well definitions of smoothness and everything that involve quantic maths?
Now can you please put back *SHIPPING* on the thread title? 

Can we calm down here, problems happen in all group buy, you were unlucky mecano.

Do you need you switches quickly for a build?

If yes and it's gateron blacks, I wouldn't mind sending you some of mine since you're in France too.

Thank you for your offer azhdar.
That's very kind of you but quickly or not that's not the point.
I still miss a 29,2x8,3cm case anyway and didn't finalized the plate screw locations.

[hwood34]

lmao

[RavenII]

Holy ****...is that how I sounded...?

[ideus]

Drama aside, my Gaterons are working great on my GON keyboard, no issues with stocked caps, I am using my Granite key set with no issues at all, and when I installed the switches on the PCB I had no problems at all, either.


These switches are great. I just regret I did not get more.

[hwood34]

Holy ****...is that how I sounded...?

eh, your complaints were mostly valid and were backed up with some semblance of logic

[Grrizz]

Drama aside, my Gaterons are working great on my GON keyboard, no issues with stocked caps, I am using my Granite key set with no issues at all, and when I installed the switches on the PCB I had no problems at all, either.


These switches are great. I just regret I did not get more.

Same regret here, I bit the bullet and paid a little more from some Massdrop ones in the end

[ideus]

Drama aside, my Gaterons are working great on my GON keyboard, no issues with stocked caps, I am using my Granite key set with no issues at all, and when I installed the switches on the PCB I had no problems at all, either.


These switches are great. I just regret I did not get more.

Same regret here, I bit the bullet and paid a little more from some Massdrop ones in the end

It is not that bad; but, this deal was even better than MD's though.


I am typing on my own personal mix of Gatorades: Blues for alphas and blacks for the modifiers, and my GON rocks with them.

[Evo_Spec]

Is there anyone in Asia kind enough to sell me some blacks close to GB pricing? (i mention Asia due to shipping)
i really don't need these but everyone is talking so great about them and want to try these out, i can also trade for MX blues that i had to fix up so they're not entirely consistent but do all click.

[mecano]

Holy ****...is that how I sounded...?

Do you have a link? I'll be glad to help there 

[hwood34]

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[ideus]

I am typing with Gaterons with Cherry ABS DS caps and there is no any issue with stuck key caps. Either, people who reported the issue got some actually faulty switches, or it was a group thinking issue.

[RavenII]

I am typing with Gaterons with Cherry ABS DS caps and there is no any issue with stuck key caps. Either, people who reported the issue got some actually faulty switches, or it was a group thinking issue.

I don't know what a group thinking issue is, but I can guarantee that it's not the switches being faulty. Maybe different tolerances, but that's different from being faulty. I think if nothing else...in my case anyhow, it's the keycaps that are made like ****.

[ideus]

I am typing with Gaterons with Cherry ABS DS caps and there is no any issue with stuck key caps. Either, people who reported the issue got some actually faulty switches, or it was a group thinking issue.

I don't know what a group thinking issue is, but I can guarantee that it's not the switches being faulty. Maybe different tolerances, but that's different from being faulty. I think if nothing else...in my case anyhow, it's the keycaps that are made like ****.

By group-thinking I meant that some individuals were biased by the issues reported by others, instead of testing their switches candidly.

[Vintage]

Clear tops came a few days ago. Tested one and they seem really high quality. Look awesome for sure. Fits well on cherry MX.

Should have got some gateron blues  oh well... next time.

[Jason_IRL]

I am typing with Gaterons with Cherry ABS DS caps and there is no any issue with stuck key caps. Either, people who reported the issue got some actually faulty switches, or it was a group thinking issue.

I don't know what a group thinking issue is, but I can guarantee that it's not the switches being faulty. Maybe different tolerances, but that's different from being faulty. I think if nothing else...in my case anyhow, it's the keycaps that are made like ****.

By group-thinking I meant that some individuals were biased by the issues reported by others, instead of testing their switches candidly.

I feel like there are a lot of people looking for reasons not to love the gateron switches. Simply because they are so much cheaper than cherry switches, how could they possibly be the same quality. It's like when you buy the 50 cent Mac and cheese at Aldi and tell yourself it's totally different and not as good as the $1 box of Kraft dinner. It's the same thing. I think these switches are fantastic.