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Title: 104 US ANSI Double shot replacements for Filco Order
Post by: WhiteRice on Thu, 07 October 2010, 14:47:35
Last updated 11/07/10

ORDERS CLOSED
All orders shipped! :D.

Shipped:

chet0
phate408
Rally Man
Moogle Stiltzskin
Fwiffo
Megaweapon
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Zen
platon
Sam
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mike
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muchadoaboutnothing
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wirefish
7bit
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Lanx
rantenki
hoggy
JBert
Kraicheck
pipedream
thcyash
wap32
zefrer
Antihope
bitmap
Daniel Beaver
GoodKnight
gregh
Hak Foo
ironman31
isp
itlnstln
jnsjr
judicata
kaishi
laden3
MissileMike
nanu
phoenix
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sixty
TheSoulHunter
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WhiteRice[/COLOR][/b]

Project Outline(Current Phase in Bold):

Design
Finalize Design
Finalize Pricing w/ freight
Collect 75% of pre-order payments
Place Order w/ Signature Plastics
Manufacturing
Shipment to me
Distribution to membership

Log:

11/12/10
   Keycaps shipped to members
11/9/10
   Keycaps srecieved from Signature
11/2/10
   Keycaps shipped from Signature
10/18/10
   Paid Signature Plastics Order underway
Orders closed
Contacting Signature about payment and production
10/13/10
   International Booster Packs Available(Details below)
Requested Finalized Quote from Signature
Reqested Quote for international J-Enter /w 2 blanks key set
10/12/10
   Price and Options Updated
10/11/10
   Freight shipping updated
Key Options Priced
Complete Set Price Estimated
10/10/10
   Edited buyer list
We will probably be ordering a set of 50, compromise between price and waiting forever to gather buyers.
10/09/10
   The majority of interest is in the Dolch legend color scheme so I have decided that is what it will be.
I added a poll for custom/alternate key options
Initial
   
This thread will be the place where I will keep all the details together. Please voice your interest and ideas. I will try and keep a running list of interested parties and ideas.
Nothing is set in stone. So feel to voice your opinion, and keep an open mind.

Set Details:

Custom Geek Hack Key Set:
1 x 104 US ANSI double shot keyset
1 x Orange Geek hack Key w/ white text
1 x 1.75” Alternate Caps lock key w/ "Control"
1 x 1.75” Alternate Stepped Caps lock Key
1 x Alternate Orange WASD cluster (4 key set)
2 x 1.25” Diamond keys
1 x Surprise Item


(http://zachwang.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/10/FKB104MEB_01.jpg)

Color Scheme:

Dolch gray w/ dark gray modifier keys

(http://imgur.com/35UQN.jpg)

Pricing:

50 sets          $40.39 / set

Extras Priced below:

- 50 sets of WASD in orange (without the arrows printed on the front) 4 Key set - $3.20 / set
- 50 Pairs of Diamond keys - 1.25 size - $1.60 / each
- 50 1.75 size key labeled 'Control' - $0.85 / each
- 50 1.75 Stepped Capslock keys - $0.85 / each
- 50 'Geek Hack' Keycaps - $0.80 / each
- Surprise Item

Estimated Freight to me:

$25(/50 = $0.50)

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Total: $48.19
Subject to Change


International Boost Pack
   J-shaped Enter $8.49
2 Blank character keys $0.42
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Total: $8.91
Subject to Change



Estimated Shipping to you:

~$5 Domestic US
~$12 International
~$50,000 Moon

FINAL PRICE: $49.00 + Shipping(See details below)
International Booster Packs Available - $9.00 / each
Includes:
   J-Enter Key
Two blank character caps[/COLOR]
Shipping:
USPS Priority Domestic/International(Includes tracking number)
   Domestic: $5.00
International
   Canada/Mexico: $12.00
All Others: $14.00
For each additional set add $1.00 USD.
For international orders of more than one set, it with be shipped parcel post to keep costs down.


Other information:

Signature Plastic keys have a slightly different profile than your standard Filco;

(http://zachwang.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/10/sigVsFilco.jpg)

Pictured below is an example of the stock Signature font which is the cheapest option.

(http://imgur.com/rJLpu.jpg)
Title: 104 US ANSI Double shot replacements for Filco Order
Post by: itlnstln on Thu, 07 October 2010, 15:14:01
I'm in for at least one set.
Title: 104 US ANSI Double shot replacements for Filco Order
Post by: Fwiffo on Thu, 07 October 2010, 15:15:59
You can list me as interested in at least one, probably two sets, particularly if we get up into the cheaper price breaks.

Will the whole run have to be the same color? If so, black would probably be acceptable to the widest number of people. If we have a choice of colors, does a whole set have to be the same color, or could a few keys be different? (e.g. red Esc, blue WASD, etc.)

Is there some reference materials we could look at for colors/fonts?

With regard to key profile... Does that mean the top of the keys would be lower, or the bottom would be higher or something in between?
Title: 104 US ANSI Double shot replacements for Filco Order
Post by: WhiteRice on Thu, 07 October 2010, 15:21:57
Quote from: Fwiffo;230966

Will the whole run have to be the same color? If so, black would probably be acceptable to the widest number of people. If we have a choice of colors, does a whole set have to be the same color, or could a few keys be different? (e.g. red Esc, blue WASD, etc.)

Is there some reference materials we could look at for colors/fonts?

With regard to key profile... Does that mean the top of the keys would be lower, or the bottom would be higher or something in between?


The whole set does not have to be the same color, but any choice we make on colors will go across the entire order. So they will have to be consensual.

My feeling on red Esc and blue WASD is that you can already order them from elitekeyboards. So something different would be nice. :)

I am in contact with signature about a font/color catalog.

I believe the bottoms are slightly higher. That's the case with my GHSS.
Title: 104 US ANSI Double shot replacements for Filco Order
Post by: magictoaster on Thu, 07 October 2010, 15:27:31
I'm in for one (as long as the consensual color is not pink with bright green WASD and brown ESC).
Title: 104 US ANSI Double shot replacements for Filco Order
Post by: muchadoaboutnothing on Thu, 07 October 2010, 15:39:47
Interested in one, maybe two.

If you're going to do this you may consider doing a couple international keys and maybe some color options. The cost of additional keys is less per key and you might be able to get a lot more people interested in sets.

I'm sure people would like a few colored keys (colored ESC, for instance).
Title: 104 US ANSI Double shot replacements for Filco Order
Post by: wap32 on Thu, 07 October 2010, 16:02:24
I agree that a few international options (reverse 'L' enter, 105th key, etc) as well as different shift/alt/ctrl sizes for compatibility might get more people interested if that doesn't increase the price too much.

I might be interested in a set if it would fit an MX11800 with an ISO layout.

Also, WSAD keys in orange would be pretty sweet.
Title: 104 US ANSI Double shot replacements for Filco Order
Post by: Megaweapon on Thu, 07 October 2010, 16:07:13
In for one if we can get non-OS specific super key legends.
Title: 104 US ANSI Double shot replacements for Filco Order
Post by: Daniel Beaver on Thu, 07 October 2010, 16:17:38
I am interested, and would almost certainly buy a set or two if they were available.

Colors
Black keys would probably be the only option with near-unanimous consensus. I personally would love to have gaudy yellow keys (http://geekhack.org/showpost.php?p=228045&postcount=107), but that probably isn't for everyone.

Legend Font
Boring Helvetica, please. I hate these space-age fonts that keyboards have nowadays.

Custom key options
An OS-independent meta key. Actually, just a key which said "meta" would be peachy. In addition, a replacement CapsLock key which says Control. I think that is a fairly common replacement.

I demand a red esc key! I would also like white, red or orange WASD keys. I'm not a fan of blue WASD.

None of these would be a deal-breaker, honestly.


One question: would these have scooped F and J keys, or nubbed? My anti-otaku Filco has scooped keys, and I don't really care for them.
Title: 104 US ANSI Double shot replacements for Filco Order
Post by: RickyJ on Thu, 07 October 2010, 16:20:07
I've been contemplating either a Filco or a Das for a while now, but these would severely swing me towards a Filco despite the added cost.  Standard US layout preferred, and I'd actually like the shorter key profile that Signature Plastics has.  Don't put me down for a set though, I'm still just dreaming. :(
Title: 104 US ANSI Double shot replacements for Filco Order
Post by: GoodKnight on Thu, 07 October 2010, 16:37:02
:) I'm interested. Probably black for color but I'm flexible on everything else.
Title: 104 US ANSI Double shot replacements for Filco Order
Post by: MissileMike on Thu, 07 October 2010, 16:44:29
Interested, prefer black of course.
Title: 104 US ANSI Double shot replacements for Filco Order
Post by: ironman31 on Thu, 07 October 2010, 17:03:05
I'm interested if we end up getting them at one of the lower prices. (Of course, if they look as unique as those others signature did, I might pay a little more)
Title: 104 US ANSI Double shot replacements for Filco Order
Post by: celery on Thu, 07 October 2010, 17:07:14
I'm down for a set.

My main criteria is no space-agey fonts. Personally, I'd like a bit of mix in colors. I like the two tone Dolch replica in the original thread. I'm also fond of bright accents--the more orange the better :eyebrows:

Even if it turns out to be plain black, though, I'd still want a set. As long as the font is normal looking.
Title: 104 US ANSI Double shot replacements for Filco Order
Post by: WhiteRice on Thu, 07 October 2010, 17:27:18
So I heard back from Signature about fonts and colors.

The font posted in the thread from sixty is their default font and is the cheapest option(pictured below). Available in upper or lower case. I will ask about the font sizing. Let me know if you have any preference.

(http://imgur.com/rJLpu.jpg)

They have over 300 colors; so once we get some basic idea of what colors we want I will ask for samples.
Title: 104 US ANSI Double shot replacements for Filco Order
Post by: sixty on Thu, 07 October 2010, 17:35:22
Good job on getting this going, its about time.
Note me down for two sets (if we get > 50), or one set if we only get 25.

As for colors I would love a black/dark gray theme. If you pay close attention you will notice that the dark modifier keys on the Korean Dolch-Replica example are not actually black, but a very dark gray.

We should have this for the main keys and real black for the modifiers. That would be awesome.

Anyway, in the end I don't care much for the colors, I'm just happy we are getting something done.
Title: 104 US ANSI Double shot replacements for Filco Order
Post by: thcyash on Thu, 07 October 2010, 17:38:30
i'm also interested in 1 set
Title: 104 US ANSI Double shot replacements for Filco Order
Post by: Daniel Beaver on Thu, 07 October 2010, 18:07:26
Quote from: sixty;231032


We should have this for the main keys and real black for the modifiers. That would be awesome.


I approve, that's a very cool look.
Title: 104 US ANSI Double shot replacements for Filco Order
Post by: nanu on Thu, 07 October 2010, 18:13:48
I'm interested in a set, but much more if we could gather more than 25 or 50 people. I'm quite patient for matters like these. On that note, would you also post this project on say, overclock.net ?

Anyhow, following are my selfish preferences:

+1 for two-toned dark grey and darker grey (ok, black may be fine, here); preferably dark grey for all keys that normally generate a character glyph when typing up a post on geekhack in English, and darker grey for remaining keys.

Consider me very picky for being against alternating the shade based on F key location (I never understood why you'd color the quads like so). Just keep all of F1 to F12 the same shade.

Also, if a

GEEK
HACK

key is decided, please request a manual correction for the kerning so that both sides line up visually.
Title: 104 US ANSI Double shot replacements for Filco Order
Post by: celery on Thu, 07 October 2010, 18:21:44
Quote from: sixty;231032
We should have this for the main keys and real black for the modifiers. That would be awesome.


I agree with this too.
Title: 104 US ANSI Double shot replacements for Filco Order
Post by: WhiteRice on Thu, 07 October 2010, 18:30:13
I like the two tone grey keys as well.

How do you guys feel about the legend size and positioning? Do you like them big and centered or a more contemporary style like rip mentioned?
Title: 104 US ANSI Double shot replacements for Filco Order
Post by: WhiteRice on Thu, 07 October 2010, 18:34:26
Quote from: nanu;231048
I'm interested in a set, but much more if we could gather more than 25 or 50 people. I'm quite patient for matters like these. On that note, would you also post this project on say, overclock.net ?

Anyhow, following are my selfish preferences:

+1 for two-toned dark grey and darker grey (ok, black may be fine, here); preferably dark grey for all keys that normally generate a character glyph when typing up a post on geekhack in English, and darker grey for remaining keys.

Consider me very picky for being against alternating the shade based on F key location (I never understood why you'd color the quads like so). Just keep all of F1 to F12 the same shade.

Also, if a

GEEK
HACK


key is decided, please request a manual correction for the kerning so that both sides line up visually.



I have no problem with other communities joining in to order, but I would like if someone helped manage the posts on the other sites.

Geekhack members are the only ones who have a say in production. ;)
Title: 104 US ANSI Double shot replacements for Filco Order
Post by: laden3 on Thu, 07 October 2010, 18:55:35
I am interested in the green set (the cheapest option) or the light grey+ grey set, either one will do. Personally, I like the huge centered font since we can hardly get those nowadays.
Title: 104 US ANSI Double shot replacements for Filco Order
Post by: WhiteRice on Thu, 07 October 2010, 18:58:54
Quote from: laden3;231067
I am interested in the green set (the cheapest option) or the light grey+ grey set, either one will do. Personally, I like the huge centered font since we can hardly get those nowadays.
I think they're the same set, just different lighting. Perhaps we can get some clarification.
Title: 104 US ANSI Double shot replacements for Filco Order
Post by: sixty on Thu, 07 October 2010, 19:01:05
all pics are from the same set. its just the lightning and differences in camera options, etc.

i actually would like the grey to be a bit more dark, like i said almost black for all keys, real balck for the mods (and f keys, etc) would be awesome.
Title: 104 US ANSI Double shot replacements for Filco Order
Post by: Megaweapon on Thu, 07 October 2010, 19:20:41
If all the pics in the first thread are from the same set then I'm going to go ahead and assume that this one has the most accurate colors:

(http://i.imgur.com/JyaDD.jpg)

In some of the pics (including the one with the keys on the card) the colors are just way too dark and IMO it weakens the effect -- makes it look like they only had replacements for the green keys and the black ones are OEM.

This is why I would not want a darker color for the gray keys.

I like the classic typewriter-style font size and position.
Title: 104 US ANSI Double shot replacements for Filco Order
Post by: ironman31 on Thu, 07 October 2010, 19:59:04
I don't mind the big ass centered font. Its really unique and it would be cool to have on my filco.. plus I need a new set of keys, just dropped a cable splitter onto my left shift key. Now there's a huge gash in it :/
Title: 104 US ANSI Double shot replacements for Filco Order
Post by: laden3 on Thu, 07 October 2010, 20:46:47
These keycaps can fit into Das keyboard, I-One etc (all 104 US ANSI keyboards that use Cherry MX switches except Cherry), right?
From a marketing perspective, it would be more advantageous if you mention them in the thread. Just a suggestion... might help to increase the number of interested buyers
Title: 104 US ANSI Double shot replacements for Filco Order
Post by: WhiteRice on Thu, 07 October 2010, 21:21:35
Quote from: muchadoaboutnothing;230973
Interested in one, maybe two.

If you're going to do this you may consider doing a couple international keys and maybe some color options. The cost of additional keys is less per key and you might be able to get a lot more people interested in sets.

I'm sure people would like a few colored keys (colored ESC, for instance).
Do you know how many extra keys we would need to add and what they would be?
Title: 104 US ANSI Double shot replacements for Filco Order
Post by: wirefish on Thu, 07 October 2010, 21:40:54
Howdy. I have been lurking for a bit, but this is a good reason to register. :)

I'd be up for at least 1 set, and probably 2 if we reach the 50+ threshold. As for colors, I really like the dolch gray/dark gray color scheme and retro font size and placement, but I am not too picky. Going with plain black would be a little boring, though.
Title: 104 US ANSI Double shot replacements for Filco Order
Post by: ironman31 on Thu, 07 October 2010, 21:46:32
Quote from: wirefish;231128
Going with plain black would be a little boring, though.


I agree
Title: 104 US ANSI Double shot replacements for Filco Order
Post by: WhiteRice on Thu, 07 October 2010, 21:47:59
Quote from: ironman31;231132
I agree
I concur, you'll probably be able to get black from Majestouch eventually anyway.

Same reason I would like to avoid blue WASD, and red Esc. Been done already.
Title: 104 US ANSI Double shot replacements for Filco Order
Post by: Kairxa on Thu, 07 October 2010, 22:56:26
Count me in.
The only problem with me is its font.

P.S.: I might change my mind if the freight cost is ridiculous.
Title: 104 US ANSI Double shot replacements for Filco Order
Post by: Lanx on Thu, 07 October 2010, 23:54:47
I'm down, would really like reverse L. (otherwise i'd have to mod keyboard again!)
Title: 104 US ANSI Double shot replacements for Filco Order
Post by: Delicious Deity on Fri, 08 October 2010, 01:18:48
Can we please go with chartreuse keys? Come on people live a little!
Title: 104 US ANSI Double shot replacements for Filco Order
Post by: jnsjr on Fri, 08 October 2010, 02:39:59
I'm in for 1 set.  I like the dark grey with the centered big old school font.  I dig the black and grey combination too.  I like the idea of a diff colored WASD, I'm not really sold on the orange but it's not a dealbreaker.  I'm using the traditional filco USA layout.
Title: 104 US ANSI Double shot replacements for Filco Order
Post by: elbowglue on Fri, 08 October 2010, 03:06:15
I would be in for a set, I would prefer the Dolch style keycaps as well.
Title: 104 US ANSI Double shot replacements for Filco Order
Post by: In Stereo! on Fri, 08 October 2010, 05:06:34
I'm in for two sets, please. :)
Title: 104 US ANSI Double shot replacements for Filco Order
Post by: zefrer on Fri, 08 October 2010, 06:33:27
I'm in for one set also. Would also prefer deutch style with non os-specific modifier keys and potentially a replacement control key for caps lock (would be nice).
Title: 104 US ANSI Double shot replacements for Filco Order
Post by: woody on Fri, 08 October 2010, 07:17:25
Glad to finally see this going. I will probably jump on the wagon, although shipping and customs will make it a rather nasty experience. :) Maybe keyboardco from UK would want to stock some?

I like the typewriter font, reminds me of some very old computers. As to colours, probably I'm the only one who prefers light keys. Special coloured keys like WASD should be optional so everyone puts only those which he/she likes. Me, I'd just go with all the keys in some light colour and boring, non-futuristic legends. Non-OS specific meta keys, too.

Changing the font size won't be cheap, since requires new molds.

@WhiteRice: have you asked SP whether they provide different keycap thickness? Also, options for plastic type?
Title: 104 US ANSI Double shot replacements for Filco Order
Post by: Zen on Fri, 08 October 2010, 08:06:53
I'm in for 2 sets provided there will be inverted L enter keys and German-style SHIFT .
Hell, even if there won't be any I might buy them anyway,
anything is bound to be better than the steelseries key-craps I have now .

I also got two Access-IS POS keyboards with doubleshots from Signature Plastics
and you know what ?
They ain't bad at all, they feel A LOT more solid than steelseries keycraps ..
Title: 104 US ANSI Double shot replacements for Filco Order
Post by: Fwiffo on Fri, 08 October 2010, 08:42:47
I would be OK with the suggested dark gray plus black color scheme, as well as all black. To throw another idea out there, how would people feel about a two-tone scheme with something like dark indigo and black?

Fonts aren't a deal-breaker for me, but I'm honestly not crazy about the giant, centered typewriter style; I'd prefer something modern looking, but obviously not the goofy fonts you'd see on a Razor or Deck or something. I do like the look of the Filco font.
Title: 104 US ANSI Double shot replacements for Filco Order
Post by: itlnstln on Fri, 08 October 2010, 08:47:25
These (http://www.leopold.co.kr/?doc=cart/item.php&it_id=1240381976) would be great in black (minus the Korean legends).  I like the font, too.   I think they were made by Signature Plastics as well.
Title: 104 US ANSI Double shot replacements for Filco Order
Post by: WhiteRice on Fri, 08 October 2010, 09:24:45
Quote from: woody;231270
Glad to finally see this going. I will probably jump on the wagon, although shipping and customs will make it a rather nasty experience. :) Maybe keyboardco from UK would want to stock some?

I like the typewriter font, reminds me of some very old computers. As to colours, probably I'm the only one who prefers light keys. Special coloured keys like WASD should be optional so everyone puts only those which he/she likes. Me, I'd just go with all the keys in some light colour and boring, non-futuristic legends. Non-OS specific meta keys, too.

Changing the font size won't be cheap, since requires new molds.

@WhiteRice: have you asked SP whether they provide different keycap thickness? Also, options for plastic type?
I will ask about thickness, but I think that would require retooling.

I know that the plastic options for DCS style keys are ABS and PBT. I believe we were quoted for PBT. I will ask for more specifics.
Title: 104 US ANSI Double shot replacements for Filco Order
Post by: muchadoaboutnothing on Fri, 08 October 2010, 09:36:44
It'd be nice if we could get a Signature Plastics rep on here so we could chew their ear off once and get it all documented in an orderly fashion from an official source.

Rip would then proceed to make a wiki article from it and link to it multiple times a day from OCN. ;)

Seriously though, it has to be easier than a million and one back and forth emails.
Title: 104 US ANSI Double shot replacements for Filco Order
Post by: sixty on Fri, 08 October 2010, 09:39:18
I am pretty sure thickness will require retooling and we won't be able to afford that.
It seems that no company is able to make thick keys anymore besides Hooleon in the UK, but they are unable to make double shots.

Also for those requesting language specific keys.. keep in mind that we will have to order at least 50 of each, since that is the minimum order requirement at signature plastics for single keys.

I find it very unlikely that we will find 50 people who are okay with an additional short shift or ISO Enter key, when we already have trouble finding 25 people to even jump in on the set deal as is.
Title: 104 US ANSI Double shot replacements for Filco Order
Post by: muchadoaboutnothing on Fri, 08 October 2010, 09:48:55
Quote from: sixty;231335
I am pretty sure thickness will require retooling and we won't be able to afford that.
It seems that no company is able to make thick keys anymore besides Hooleon in the UK, but they are unable to make double shots.

Also for those requesting language specific keys.. keep in mind that we will have to order at least 50 of each, since that is the minimum order requirement at signature plastics for single keys.

I find it very unlikely that we will find 50 people who are okay with an additional short shift or ISO Enter key, when we already have trouble finding 25 people to even jump in on the set deal as is.


There are a lot of fixed costs with setting up the production run, so the cost of a few additional keys shouldn't be that much, In fact, the volume may make such a run cheaper in the end (if you can sell double the sets for a few more keys).

For instance, how many keys change on a UK layout? 8, right? If you can sell double the sets for 8 additional keys the cost per set may be lower even if you have more keys per set.

This forgets the logistics of international shipping and such.

Ultimately citing the flat quotes is kind of difficult because there's a bunch of factors, even if Whiterice is willing to eat some costs (e.g. gas to the post office).
-Cost per set
-Freight (to WhiteRice or whoever does the order)
-Freight (to ship the keys individually)
-Loss (especially internationally, at least one order is never going to make it)
-Risk that people promising interest will ultimately back out when time to commit comes

Ultimately someone is going to have to do it and it's definitely going to be a number of bucks over just the simple cost per set. I'd strongly advise preorders.
Title: 104 US ANSI Double shot replacements for Filco Order
Post by: WhiteRice on Fri, 08 October 2010, 09:58:43
muchadoaboutnothing is correct.

I'm not looking to make money, but I'm not looking to lose any either! I've realized that I will  probably have to front a certain amount, but I expect at least 75% of orders to be placed and paid before I give signature the go ahead.

I started doing some simple estimations on freight shipping from Signature to me.

For 50 sets of keys it will possibly be $200 dollars, but split among 50 orders is $4.

Then ~$5 domestic US shipping via USPS priority. ~$12 for international.

If anyone lives in or near Washington and would be interested in helping with distribution please let me know. Perhaps we can save some money on freight. I live in New Jersey so all my estimations are based on shipping across the country.
Title: 104 US ANSI Double shot replacements for Filco Order
Post by: muchadoaboutnothing on Fri, 08 October 2010, 10:36:16
Quote from: WhiteRice;231355
muchadoaboutnothing is correct.

I'm not looking to make money, but I'm not looking to lose any either! I've realized that I will  probably have to front a certain amount, but I expect at least 75% of orders to be placed and paid before I give signature the go ahead.

I started doing some simple estimations on freight shipping from Signature to me.

For 50 sets of keys it will possibly be $200 dollars, but split among 50 orders is $4.

Then ~$5 domestic US shipping via USPS priority. ~$12 for international.

If anyone lives in or near Washington and would be interested in helping with distribution please let me know. Perhaps we can save some money on freight. I live in New Jersey so all my estimations are based on shipping across the country.


So we're looking at ~$50 per set shipped domestically if you can manage 50 orders and give yourself no buffer for fraud/your time/lost in transit shipments. Once you account for some of the other stuff you're probably looking at $55-$60 a set.

This assumes that all the changes we're interested in don't substantially raise the cost.
Title: 104 US ANSI Double shot replacements for Filco Order
Post by: sixty on Fri, 08 October 2010, 10:42:45
Quote from: muchadoaboutnothing;231348
There are a lot of fixed costs with setting up the production run, so the cost of a few additional keys shouldn't be that much, In fact, the volume may make such a run cheaper in the end (if you can sell double the sets for a few more keys).


This does not actually seem to matter. Each run of keys is calculated separately for non default keys (meaning those excluded from their 104 key set). When I had the geekhack keys made the original plan was to have an additional one with ESC legend. However effective cost is the same as two separate orders, since the legend changes.

So it doesn't matter if you order 104 keys + additional keys, the cost for the additional keys would be the same as if we would order them separately, unless SP makes us a special deal. And they did not seem interested in doing that back then when I asked.

So unless we ALL also get the additional keys like ISO enter and UK keys, I can't see a way to include these in a cost efficient setup, since they will have to be paid for separately.
Title: 104 US ANSI Double shot replacements for Filco Order
Post by: Kairxa on Fri, 08 October 2010, 11:47:49
Quote from: WhiteRice;231355
For 50 sets of keys it will possibly be $200 dollars, but split among 50 orders is $4.

Then ~$5 domestic US shipping via USPS priority. ~$12 for international.


Quite rational, but 56 bucks for something that has even less thickness than filco blank keycaps.. now that gave me some doubt. I'll wait for the technical specification then.
Title: 104 US ANSI Double shot replacements for Filco Order
Post by: rantenki on Fri, 08 October 2010, 11:50:42
Absolutely in for a set; and those retro colors are awesome. Sold as is.

HOLYCRAP! I just discovered that I live 30 minutes from signature plastics. Sadly, I am also in CANADIA, so I would make a crappy drop-shipping volunteer.

That said, I could be tempted to spend a day sorting keys and drinking beer at my fave pub -> http://beeradvocate.com/beer/profile/19933/
Title: 104 US ANSI Double shot replacements for Filco Order
Post by: celery on Fri, 08 October 2010, 13:22:51
I don't mind getting some extra international keys; I'm sure I'll find a use for them? Maybe?

As for the large, centered legends, I thought about it for a while yesterday, and... didn't come to any conclusion. It's a tossup for me; I'd like to see what the price difference is.
Title: 104 US ANSI Double shot replacements for Filco Order
Post by: WhiteRice on Fri, 08 October 2010, 13:42:59
Quote from: celery;231467
I don't mind getting some extra international keys; I'm sure I'll find a use for them? Maybe?

As for the large, centered legends, I thought about it for a while yesterday, and... didn't come to any conclusion. It's a tossup for me; I'd like to see what the price difference is.
I haven't heard back from Signature about a price difference for font sizing/positioning. I have a feeling that there won't be one. In that case it's what ever the membership can agree on.
Title: 104 US ANSI Double shot replacements for Filco Order
Post by: WhiteRice on Fri, 08 October 2010, 14:13:06
It would seem that the majority like the dolch color scheme. Gray w/ Dark Gray Modifiers.

Are there any huge objections to this?
Title: 104 US ANSI Double shot replacements for Filco Order
Post by: sixty on Fri, 08 October 2010, 14:24:45
would like the light grey to be a bit darker like i mentioned eariler. i like the dolch scheme, but a bit darker overall would be nice.
Title: 104 US ANSI Double shot replacements for Filco Order
Post by: Fwiffo on Fri, 08 October 2010, 14:29:43
I noticed that the set that started this doesn't have front printing on the keys (e.g. Print Screen/SysRq, Pause/Break, arrows on the orange WASD keys). Is that a limitation of the double-shot process, or just more expensive?

(I agree with sixty on the colors if nobody likes my indigo idea)
Title: 104 US ANSI Double shot replacements for Filco Order
Post by: squarebox on Fri, 08 October 2010, 14:29:52
I'm interested in one set @$57.49 and two set @$40.39
But I live in Singapore. What will the shipping to Singapore cost?

I would prefer "Ctrl" to be label Ctrl instead of Control
Title: 104 US ANSI Double shot replacements for Filco Order
Post by: Zen on Fri, 08 October 2010, 14:30:32
Quote from: WhiteRice;231484
It would seem that the majority like the dolch color scheme. Gray w/ Dark Gray Modifiers.

Are there any huge objections to this?

YES !!
If there will be no inverted L and German-style SHIFT it will look weird
on non-US ANSI layouts and even weirder for those of us who have special national characters that we will need to keep .

Black keys with white legends is the way to go IMO, it will look neat on
any colour keyboard ..
Title: 104 US ANSI Double shot replacements for Filco Order
Post by: WhiteRice on Fri, 08 October 2010, 15:14:23
I still need to inquire about those international keys.

So if we can't get them, an alternative might be to have black character keys and differently colored modifier keys. However while the colors would look more uniform, the legends would still be an issue.
Title: 104 US ANSI Double shot replacements for Filco Order
Post by: laden3 on Fri, 08 October 2010, 15:26:49
The cost of the international keys will be charged on them individually or we have to pay a portion of the cost for them?
Title: 104 US ANSI Double shot replacements for Filco Order
Post by: WhiteRice on Fri, 08 October 2010, 15:28:31
Any keys added to the set would have to be included in all orders.
Title: 104 US ANSI Double shot replacements for Filco Order
Post by: laden3 on Fri, 08 October 2010, 15:32:29
So, everyone is buying 104 standard US ANSI keys + (keys that the majority decided to order)?
Title: 104 US ANSI Double shot replacements for Filco Order
Post by: WhiteRice on Fri, 08 October 2010, 15:35:01
Quote from: laden3;231506
So, everyone is buying 104 standard US ANSI keys + (keys that the majority decided to order)?
Yes, I am hoping that we can use those customs keys for something fun like a geekhack key of colored G & H keys.

While I would love to accommodate everyone, it's just not possible. That's why we can talk about it here and I can ask signature for the final say.
Title: 104 US ANSI Double shot replacements for Filco Order
Post by: Naku on Fri, 08 October 2010, 15:35:42
I wish that there would be ISO layout too with certain жд letters :sad:
Title: 104 US ANSI Double shot replacements for Filco Order
Post by: Rally Man on Fri, 08 October 2010, 15:49:18
OK, when I saw this thread I had to sign up for this.  I want to know what is so good about having double shot keys?  It's all your guys fault for making me buy my cherry blue Filco keyboard! :D  I'm going to get a cherry brown Filco for my house now.  Wouldn't mind having a set of blue keys with white letters.  Can that be done?  I'll get two sets of those!
Title: 104 US ANSI Double shot replacements for Filco Order
Post by: eliOcs on Fri, 08 October 2010, 16:48:45
those keycaps look great. I would definitely be an interested buyer if Spanish layout keycaps can also be included :D. I currently own a 105 brown switch filco keyboard with blank keycaps ( no Spanish layout yet :/ )
Title: 104 US ANSI Double shot replacements for Filco Order
Post by: itlnstln on Fri, 08 October 2010, 16:52:24
Quote from: Rally Man;231517
OK, when I saw this thread I had to sign up for this.  I want to know what is so good about having double shot keys?  It's all your guys fault for making me buy my cherry blue Filco keyboard! :D  I'm going to get a cherry brown Filco for my house now.  Wouldn't mind having a set of blue keys with white letters.  Can that be done?  I'll get two sets of those!


Welcome to Geekhack.  Check out the "All About Keys" wiki.  It goes in-depth into the different keys, plastics, printing, etc.
Title: 104 US ANSI Double shot replacements for Filco Order
Post by: SmallWalrus on Fri, 08 October 2010, 22:14:06
Quote from: squarebox;231492
I'm interested in one set @$57.49 and two set @$40.39
But I live in Singapore. What will the shipping to Singapore cost?

I would prefer "Ctrl" to be label Ctrl instead of Control

It was mentioned earlier that the estimated Intl freight charges for 1 set of keycaps is about US$12.

And you can't get to decide if the pricing for two sets will come up to $40.39 ea bro, there's trouble filling up 25 slots as it is :(
Title: 104 US ANSI Double shot replacements for Filco Order
Post by: Rally Man on Fri, 08 October 2010, 22:53:55
Quote from: itlnstln;231543
Welcome to Geekhack.  Check out the "All About Keys" wiki.  It goes in-depth into the different keys, plastics, printing, etc.


Thanks!
Title: 104 US ANSI Double shot replacements for Filco Order
Post by: Antihope on Fri, 08 October 2010, 23:35:42
I also just registered to grab a set of these.  FWIW I love the font/size/positioning.  And yeah, the color scheme pictured is perfect.  Maybe a dumb question, but will this come with a keycap puller?  

1 set please!

And I know it wasn't originally a geekhack order, but has anyone else noticed that it's almost identical to the color scheme of this forum?
Title: 104 US ANSI Double shot replacements for Filco Order
Post by: laden3 on Sat, 09 October 2010, 01:53:33
ROFL this is a "lurker-fishing" thread XD
Title: 104 US ANSI Double shot replacements for Filco Order
Post by: Zen on Sat, 09 October 2010, 05:55:24
I could live with the international keys being blanks,
it's mostly a question of keeping a uniform height and colour-scheme..
Title: 104 US ANSI Double shot replacements for Filco Order
Post by: wap32 on Sat, 09 October 2010, 07:49:13
Any chance of additional shift/ctrl/alt keys to fit a G80-11900/11800 layout (and perhaps others), similar to what was done with the KBDMania key set sixty posted?

I know this might be pushing it a little, but perhaps more people would be interested?
Title: 104 US ANSI Double shot replacements for Filco Order
Post by: Lanx on Sat, 09 October 2010, 09:13:38
i got a question on the spacebar, is that the standard size for all cherry spacebars including the stabilizers and offcenter to the right?
Title: 104 US ANSI Double shot replacements for Filco Order
Post by: nanu on Sat, 09 October 2010, 11:22:54
Quote from: Lanx;231718
i got a question on the spacebar, is that the standard size for all cherry spacebars including the stabilizers and offcenter to the right?

There exist Cherry boards that have centered and offset switch placements.
This picture isn't a Filco, it's a Das (http://monda.hu/blog/wp-content/uploads/2009/05/das-keyboard-keyswitch-panel.jpg) apparently, but it's close.

A Filco is about the same except the spacebar wire is longer (probably as long as it would be, clipped to the other set of holes for clips).
Title: 104 US ANSI Double shot replacements for Filco Order
Post by: WhiteRice on Sat, 09 October 2010, 12:36:37
The biggest issue at the moment is deciding whether or not to get:

International Keys

And keys that fit keyboards other than a filco.

I have yet to hear back from signature so I don't have any information on the feasibility yet, but I will let you guys know as soon as I do.
Title: 104 US ANSI Double shot replacements for Filco Order
Post by: Hak Foo on Sat, 09 October 2010, 13:08:10
I like the concept, but not having a Filco, I'm worried about compatibility-- would I end up with a G80-3000 with a few off keys mocking me (like I have now, having swapped doubleshots from an 8100 series POS board?

If we're looking at retro look, can we do cup keys?  I seem to recall signature had a line of 'em.

Thoughts on OS-independent meta keys:  A diamond (like a Sun board, I and II (for menu and right-click), or how about a circle with an X over it-- it subliminally echoes the Windows logo, but isn't. ⦻
Title: 104 US ANSI Double shot replacements for Filco Order
Post by: mrbill on Sat, 09 October 2010, 14:18:18
I love the old-school retro font (learned how to type on a Selectric) and the gray color(s).  Put me down for two sets.  

They'll be going on 87-key Filcos, so if this actually happens anybody is welcome to the "extras" for the numpad.
Title: 104 US ANSI Double shot replacements for Filco Order
Post by: WhiteRice on Sat, 09 October 2010, 14:45:27
So I did some thinking about custom key ideas.

Alt Orange G & H
Orange GeekHack Key
Alt Orange WASD
Alt Conrol/Capslock
Alt OS Key(meta)

These don't include international or keys to fit other keyboards. I'm just brainstorming.
Title: 104 US ANSI Double shot replacements for Filco Order
Post by: laden3 on Sat, 09 October 2010, 14:58:54
104 US ANSI layout interested buyers > interested buyers vote for international keys/ extra fun keys like "geekhack" (# might increase if majority wants) > interested buyers vote for keycaps for non-filco

This might help in deciding which keys the majority wants. We should prioritize the vote of current interested buyers (ppl ready to buy 104 US ANSI keys) and put it in stats to prevent things like this from happening.
(non-interested buyers wanting special orders and in the end they won't buy the keycaps, old interested buyers are forced to buy unwanted keycaps that won't fit into their keyboards)
Title: 104 US ANSI Double shot replacements for Filco Order
Post by: laden3 on Sat, 09 October 2010, 15:01:49
Quote from: WhiteRice;231830
So I did some thinking about custom key ideas.

Alt Orange G & H
Orange GeekHack Key
Alt Orange WASD
Alt Conrol/Capslock
Alt OS Key(meta)

These don't include international or keys to fit other keyboards. I'm just brainstorming.


Is there a way to make a poll for this?
Title: 104 US ANSI Double shot replacements for Filco Order
Post by: WhiteRice on Sat, 09 October 2010, 15:02:40
Yes, good idea let me see what I can do.

Edit: Added Poll for key options
Title: 104 US ANSI Double shot replacements for Filco Order
Post by: Hak Foo on Sat, 09 October 2010, 15:14:17
I'd probably get one set if it was G80-3000 compatible (cover all the keys), and personally, I'd prefer all function keys one colour.

Aside: the set shown, did they do ] over 9, or is it just a bad photo?
Title: 104 US ANSI Double shot replacements for Filco Order
Post by: sixty on Sat, 09 October 2010, 15:16:18
I think we should also have a the stepped offcenter capslock key that fits the Cherry G80 boards, this way we can instantly use the set on both boards without any adjustment (assuming the spacebar fits both, which I think it does).
Title: 104 US ANSI Double shot replacements for Filco Order
Post by: WhiteRice on Sat, 09 October 2010, 15:17:31
Quote from: Hak Foo;231838
I'd probably get one set if it was G80-3000 compatible (cover all the keys), and personally, I'd prefer all function keys one colour.

Aside: the set shown, did they do ] over 9, or is it just a bad photo?
I think that it's a bad photo. Do you know which keys differ on the G80-3000 from the filco? Is it the front row and left shift?
Title: 104 US ANSI Double shot replacements for Filco Order
Post by: sixty on Sat, 09 October 2010, 15:19:58
Quote from: WhiteRice;231841
I think that it's a bad photo. Do you know which keys differ on the G80-3000 from the filco? Is it the front row and left shift?


G80-3000 are compatible to Filcos including the front row. Keys not compatible are the spacebar and capslock. The spacebar could be done while still keeping it Filco compatible.
Title: 104 US ANSI Double shot replacements for Filco Order
Post by: Hak Foo on Sat, 09 October 2010, 15:29:20
Quote from: sixty;231843
G80-3000 are compatible to Filcos including the front row. Keys not compatible are the spacebar and capslock. The spacebar could be done while still keeping it Filco compatible.


I'd actually like to see three flavours of  the  capslock key.
Filco non-stepped
Cherry style stepped
Cherry style, filco mount compatible.

I suspect some people would prefer the stepped key; I certainly do.  It's one of the two big peeves I had with my Solidtek 6600 (the other: small backspace)
Title: 104 US ANSI Double shot replacements for Filco Order
Post by: Fwiffo on Sat, 09 October 2010, 16:23:18
Is there actually anyone who wants Windows logo keys? Cause if everyone can agree on some OS-agnostic icon for those keys, they won't need to be "alternate" keys, we just wouldn't need Windows ones at all. What about the context menu key?

(some ideas for meta keys if you have unicodey fonts)
☺ ☃ ☠ ☢ ☣ ♘ ♠ ♿ ⚛ ⚰ ⚱
Title: 104 US ANSI Double shot replacements for Filco Order
Post by: laden3 on Sat, 09 October 2010, 16:30:11
Quote from: Fwiffo;231864
Is there actually anyone who wants Windows logo keys? Cause if everyone can agree on some OS-agnostic icon for those keys, they won't need to be "alternate" keys, we just wouldn't need Windows ones at all. What about the context menu key?

(some ideas for meta keys if you have unicodey fonts)
☺ ☃ ☠ ☢ ☣ ♘ ♠ ♿ ⚛ ⚰ ⚱


These icons r nice! but..... since we called it " 104 US ANSI Double shot replacements for Filco " its better to have all the 104 keys, right? ;P
Title: 104 US ANSI Double shot replacements for Filco Order
Post by: Fwiffo on Sat, 09 October 2010, 16:42:21
Well, Linux people might want Tux, Windows people might want a Windows logo, Mac people might want a propeller or apple, dual-booters might want a diamond like HHKBs or Sun keyboard, but maybe everybody could get along with the Jolly Roger.
Title: 104 US ANSI Double shot replacements for Filco Order
Post by: muchadoaboutnothing on Sat, 09 October 2010, 16:47:26
Quote from: Fwiffo;231864
Is there actually anyone who wants Windows logo keys? Cause if everyone can agree on some OS-agnostic icon for those keys, they won't need to be "alternate" keys, we just wouldn't need Windows ones at all. What about the context menu key?

(some ideas for meta keys if you have unicodey fonts)
☺ ☃ ☠ ☢ ☣ ♘ ♠ ♿ ⚛ ⚰ ⚱

I think we should go for the wheelchair. Anyone who spends over $100 on a keyboard without backlit rubberized keys and an LCD screen is clearly mentally handicapped.

Or so I've been told, anyways...

(http://imgur.com/9GqZD.jpg)
Title: 104 US ANSI Double shot replacements for Filco Order
Post by: nanu on Sat, 09 October 2010, 16:59:33
I'd rather have alternate G and H keys not be orange, as that would stand out too much from other keys being that color. I'd rather they be the darker shade in the pending two-tone scheme, with white text, or, the same shade as other alpha keys but with either orange or blue text (don't forget geekhack has an alternate stylesheet!)
Title: 104 US ANSI Double shot replacements for Filco Order
Post by: elservo on Sat, 09 October 2010, 17:06:08
Quote from: ripster;231887
Saw this on Reddit yesterday.

The Original.  Ernest P. Worrel.
Show Image
(http://b6.img.v4.skyrock.net/b68/ifwordscouldsay/pics/2272910893_small_1.jpg)



I loved Ernest growing up.  The Saturday morning show he had for a year or two was too funny.  I'm still pretty sad that he passed away.  The day after he died, I had an Ernest Marathon at the video store I jockeyed, and I still found myself laughing at his bits, no matter how dumb they were.  He was just always soooo into it, I can't explain it.  He never phoned in the Worrel.
Title: 104 US ANSI Double shot replacements for Filco Order
Post by: isp on Sat, 09 October 2010, 17:15:57
interested in one set for $40
Title: 104 US ANSI Double shot replacements for Filco Order
Post by: Hak Foo on Sat, 09 October 2010, 17:50:39
Quote from: Fwiffo;231878
Well, Linux people might want Tux, Windows people might want a Windows logo, Mac people might want a propeller or apple, dual-booters might want a diamond like HHKBs or Sun keyboard, but maybe everybody could get along with the Jolly Roger.


Err... which Jolly Roger?

I'm partial to (http://www.rolonoazoro.com/albums/album23/Jolly_Roger_Arlong.highlight.gif)

but a fair number of people prefer (http://www.rolonoazoro.com/albums/album15/Jolly_Roger_SH.gif)
Title: 104 US ANSI Double shot replacements for Filco Order
Post by: muchadoaboutnothing on Sat, 09 October 2010, 18:41:28
Quote from: Hak Foo;231915
Err... which Jolly Roger?


One piece?

(http://imgur.com/h618r.gif)
Title: 104 US ANSI Double shot replacements for Filco Order
Post by: Parak on Sat, 09 October 2010, 20:01:26
I'd love to see a colemak set even at the 25 set cost, otherwise I'd only be interested at the 100 set cost :(
Title: 104 US ANSI Double shot replacements for Filco Order
Post by: Hak Foo on Sat, 09 October 2010, 21:03:04
Quote from: muchadoaboutnothing;231929
One piece?



Well, let's see: that Jolly Roger is etched into the side of my PC, there are at least six small OP chars on my desk.... yeah.  :blush:
Title: 104 US ANSI Double shot replacements for Filco Order
Post by: celery on Sat, 09 October 2010, 21:03:28
Put me down for two sets.

Regarding the debate on the Windows key, what about making it the GeekHack logo key? Though GH doesn't have a mascot like KBTalking or whatever.... How about a key with a picture of a blank keycap on it, like in the GH banner above? That would be pretty meta ;)
Title: 104 US ANSI Double shot replacements for Filco Order
Post by: Megaweapon on Sat, 09 October 2010, 21:22:28
Quote from: Fwiffo;231864
Is there actually anyone who wants Windows logo keys? Cause if everyone can agree on some OS-agnostic icon for those keys, they won't need to be "alternate" keys


This is a good point.  I can't find the thread that went on and on about this topic, but I remember thinking that a simple diamond was the best idea:

◈  ◆  ◊  ◊
Title: 104 US ANSI Double shot replacements for Filco Order
Post by: rantenki on Sat, 09 October 2010, 21:58:43
Quote from: Megaweapon;231972
This is a good point.  I can't find the thread that went on and on about this topic, but I remember thinking that a simple diamond was the best idea:

◈  ◆  ◊  ◊


Agree; When it comes down to it, we are going to have to agree to disagree, and pick an icon which offends everybody (except solaris users) the least :)
Title: 104 US ANSI Double shot replacements for Filco Order
Post by: phoenix on Sat, 09 October 2010, 22:41:21
I'm in for a set, too.
Title: 104 US ANSI Double shot replacements for Filco Order
Post by: Lanx on Sun, 10 October 2010, 00:32:23
Quote from: Hak Foo;231846
I'd actually like to see three flavours of  the  capslock key.
Filco non-stepped
Cherry style stepped
Cherry style, filco mount compatible.

I suspect some people would prefer the stepped key; I certainly do.  It's one of the two big peeves I had with my Solidtek 6600 (the other: small backspace)


curious, whats with the specifics of the caps lock keys? no one uses them right?
Title: 104 US ANSI Double shot replacements for Filco Order
Post by: ironman31 on Sun, 10 October 2010, 00:50:29
Quote from: Lanx;232040
curious, whats with the specifics of the caps lock keys? no one uses them right?


Correct
Title: 104 US ANSI Double shot replacements for Filco Order
Post by: Hak Foo on Sun, 10 October 2010, 01:47:57
Quote from: Lanx;232040
curious, whats with the specifics of the caps lock keys? no one uses them right?


The step reduces accidental fouling.  Some people want an original-look match, though, despite the practical benefit of the step.
Title: 104 US ANSI Double shot replacements for Filco Order
Post by: celery on Sun, 10 October 2010, 02:26:21
Yeah, I don't really like those stepped/hat keys just because of the aesthetics.
Title: 104 US ANSI Double shot replacements for Filco Order
Post by: Kairxa on Sun, 10 October 2010, 03:15:39
hey, I think I'm gonna cancel my order :(
sorry for that, I found a local store who sells filco blank keycaps :(

I'm really2 sorry for this inconvenience..
Title: 104 US ANSI Double shot replacements for Filco Order
Post by: WhiteRice on Sun, 10 October 2010, 12:15:31
Your name will be stricken from the list and our hearts!

jk jk, no problem. I plan on ordering when we hit 40 to cover those who want doubles and a few for late comers. So you can always change your mind.
Title: 104 US ANSI Double shot replacements for Filco Order
Post by: muchadoaboutnothing on Sun, 10 October 2010, 15:20:08
I have a couple of Costar boards. I'd probably opt for doubles if I could get both shipped for under $50/set ($100 combined w/ shipping).

(I already expressed interest for "one, maybe two"; I'm just specifying the conditions where I'd buy two).
Title: 104 US ANSI Double shot replacements for Filco Order
Post by: platon on Sun, 10 October 2010, 15:57:55
Count me in for a set too.
Title: 104 US ANSI Double shot replacements for Filco Order
Post by: laden3 on Sun, 10 October 2010, 16:45:38
Quote from: WhiteRice;232149
Your name will be stricken from the list and our hearts!

jk jk, no problem. I plan on ordering when we hit 40 to cover those who want doubles and a few for late comers. So you can always change your mind.


Probably good if u add a # after everyone's name in the first post. like

WhiteRice (10 sets)
Laden3 (1 set)               *this is an example*

It might look like we have 29 interested buyers but the order might exceed 36 sets already. (price of 36 sets at $57.49= 50 sets at $40.39)
Title: 104 US ANSI Double shot replacements for Filco Order
Post by: didjamatic on Sun, 10 October 2010, 17:57:55
I'd take a few sets.  How many depends on price and options.
Title: 104 US ANSI Double shot replacements for Filco Order
Post by: WhiteRice on Sun, 10 October 2010, 21:50:34
I updated the main post, please let me know if any of the information is incorrect. I will hopefully hear back from signature this week.

I will be asking them about;

Custom key options

Freight shipping options

rantenki lives really close to signature, but in Canada.

If anyone lives by Washington State and would be interested in helping please let me know. I live on the east coast so anything is probably better.
Title: 104 US ANSI Double shot replacements for Filco Order
Post by: Hak Foo on Sun, 10 October 2010, 22:46:20
Quote from: WhiteRice;232333
I updated the main post, please let me know if any of the information is incorrect. I will hopefully hear back from signature this week.


I guess I'll swing one.
Title: 104 US ANSI Double shot replacements for Filco Order
Post by: Sam on Mon, 11 October 2010, 00:49:05
I take it the Korean ones are either sold out or not available to the general public?

I don't currently even own a keyboard that would accept these keycaps, nevertheless, I do find them kind of cool.  I like that retro look, but would need the set to include a large L-shaped Enter and some stepped control, alt, caps-lock keys to complete the look.  I like the color as it is.  If you could do that, plus the keys to make it compatible with a Cherry board, I'd be in for one or two sets.

Cupped keys would be even better, but I assume that's probably not going to happen.  Anyone know the feasibility of getting custom cupped keycaps made someplace?

I couldn't care less about any colored ESC or WASD or other keys as that would in my mind totally clash with the retro look.
Title: 104 US ANSI Double shot replacements for Filco Order
Post by: British on Mon, 11 October 2010, 03:53:55
As I see it:

Speaking of ISO, I'm still dreaming about some french set, and I guess it will stay a dream.
That made me think about something, though: how much would it cost to "separate" full sets in two ?
The idea would be to have the keys that are common in just about every ANSI and ISO set (ESC, F keys, modifiers, numpad and so on) in one part, and the rest, which is region-specific (maybe including enter key), in another part.
That way it might be easier for people needing non-US sets to prepare some order for them, without the need to ask for a full set.
Also, that would mean the non-region-specific part can be bought cheaper as the volume will be higher.

Thoughts (at least on that separating part) ?
Title: 104 US ANSI Double shot replacements for Filco Order
Post by: sixty on Mon, 11 October 2010, 09:20:15
Quote from: British
That made me think about something, though: how much would it cost to "separate" full sets in two ?
The idea would be to have the keys that are common in just about every ANSI and ISO set (ESC, F keys, modifiers, numpad and so on) in one part, and the rest, which is region-specific (maybe including enter key), in another part.


Back in march the Signature Plastics prices for single keys (note that the definition of a single key is any key outside of the standard 104 key set that we are ordering), were as following:

50 keys        $ 2.43 / each
100 keys        $ 1.41 / each

For legends they do not have you have to pay an additional $20 tooling setup. There is no possibility to order less than 50 keys. Keep in mind, this is PER key and PER legend.

So to even get a SINGLE french key you would already be paying $141.50, for the lowest order of 50 keys. Now multiply this times the number of keys that change in the French layout.

Yeah, unless you find a bunch of fifty desperate frenchmen, I agree that this will stay a dream.
Title: 104 US ANSI Double shot replacements for Filco Order
Post by: laden3 on Mon, 11 October 2010, 09:31:26
At $2.43 per key, its approximately $20 more (50% of 1 set of 104 keys at ~$40) for the geekhack, alternate OS, WASD and the control/caps keys... FFS, my wallet is bleeding
Title: 104 US ANSI Double shot replacements for Filco Order
Post by: sixty on Mon, 11 October 2010, 09:34:13
Chances still are that we will get a better deal due to ordering a big amount of keys. We will just have to wait till we hear back from Signature Plastics. However, everyone asking for international (or really obscure keys such as a full dvorak or colemak layout) should realize that it is most likely not happening.
Title: 104 US ANSI Double shot replacements for Filco Order
Post by: WhiteRice on Mon, 11 October 2010, 09:51:24
I indicated international key buyers with a ~, we still have like 30 people who want US keys. Some of them want more than one set. I don't see why an order of 50 would be unrealistic.
Title: 104 US ANSI Double shot replacements for Filco Order
Post by: pipedream on Mon, 11 October 2010, 10:19:01
I might be interested, though I would prefer a UK layout
Title: 104 US ANSI Double shot replacements for Filco Order
Post by: itlnstln on Mon, 11 October 2010, 10:23:51
Ah, good ol' Geekhack.  We reign supreme when it comes to consensus-building.  I'm glad we're not a corporation.
Title: 104 US ANSI Double shot replacements for Filco Order
Post by: washuai on Mon, 11 October 2010, 11:49:50
I think this is costing too much for me for the timing. Although, how much actually is a set?  Plus, only halfway there without the keys being cupped. That kbdmania set is definitely sweet and the GH Dolch will be, too.  Really, I'm not that big a fan of the grey.  I just lie.
Title: 104 US ANSI Double shot replacements for Filco Order
Post by: mike on Mon, 11 October 2010, 13:03:26
I'm in for 3 sets.

Wouldn't mind a Menu key that says that rather than having some silly icon on it.
Title: 104 US ANSI Double shot replacements for Filco Order
Post by: WhiteRice on Mon, 11 October 2010, 15:16:08
I heard back from Signature and I have lots of Good news.

Freight to NJ will only be $25, cheaper if we can get someone closer. Looks like I way over shot on my initial estimate. :D

They want $5.75 per set to "collate" it. I figure that we will not opt for this option and I'll just bite the bullet.

Custom Key Option Pricing:

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Pricing for these parts if ordered in addition to the complete 104 keyset is as follows:
 - 50 sets of WASDGH in orange (without the arrows printed on the front) 6 Key set - $4.80 / set
 - 50 diamond keys - 1.25 size - $0.91 / each
 - 1.75 size key labeled 'Control' - $1.10 / each
 - 50 'Geek Hack' Keycaps - $0.80 / each
Title: 104 US ANSI Double shot replacements for Filco Order
Post by: sixty on Mon, 11 October 2010, 15:31:23
Quote from: WhiteRice;232607
I heard back from Signature and I have lots of Good news.

Freight to NJ will only be $25, cheaper if we can get someone closer. Looks like I way over shot on my initial estimate. :D

They want $5.75 per set to "collate" it. I figure that we will not opt for this option and I'll just bite the bullet.

Custom Key Option Pricing:


Good stuff.
You should consider though that we aim for a total of 50 sets, we will need 100 diamond keys, not 50. Since most keyboards (and all Costar boards) come with 2 windows keys, not one.
Title: 104 US ANSI Double shot replacements for Filco Order
Post by: WhiteRice on Mon, 11 October 2010, 15:38:54
Quote from: sixty;232608
Good stuff.
You should consider though that we aim for a total of 50 sets, we will need 100 diamond keys, not 50. Since most keyboards (and all Costar boards) come with 2 windows keys, not one.
Noted, and I will be asking them if we can get a further discount for that key. I also asked if they have any other shapes available.
Title: 104 US ANSI Double shot replacements for Filco Order
Post by: muchadoaboutnothing on Mon, 11 October 2010, 15:43:02
Quote from: WhiteRice;232607
They want $5.75 per set to "collate" it. I figure that we will not opt for this option and I'll just bite the bullet.


Perhaps I'm really really dumb, but what IS "collating" the keys? Isn't that "to assemble in proper order; especially : to assemble (as printed sheets) in order for binding (http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/collate)"

So what is that? Putting them on a sheet in layout?
Title: 104 US ANSI Double shot replacements for Filco Order
Post by: Fwiffo on Mon, 11 October 2010, 15:44:34
It means to sort them into distinct sets instead of having 50 sets of keys mixed together.
Title: 104 US ANSI Double shot replacements for Filco Order
Post by: muchadoaboutnothing on Mon, 11 October 2010, 15:45:58
Quote from: Fwiffo;232616
It means to sort them into distinct sets instead of having 50 sets of keys mixed together.


So they'd just do a bag of A keys, a bag of enter keys, a bag of caps lock keys, etc. if we didn't opt for that, correct?

Or are they sadists who would dump it into one gigantic bag, forcing you to sort every single key?
Title: 104 US ANSI Double shot replacements for Filco Order
Post by: WhiteRice on Mon, 11 October 2010, 15:47:30
I just thought of a great prank, send everyone a random scoop of keys and have them seek each other out...

:3
Title: 104 US ANSI Double shot replacements for Filco Order
Post by: WhiteRice on Mon, 11 October 2010, 15:49:08
Quote from: muchadoaboutnothing;232617
So they'd just do a bag of A keys, a bag of enter keys, a bag of caps lock keys, etc. if we didn't opt for that, correct?

Or are they sadists who would dump it into one gigantic bag, forcing you to sort every single key?
Correct, each unique key has a separate bag. I'm half Chinese so assembly line is in my blood.
Title: 104 US ANSI Double shot replacements for Filco Order
Post by: muchadoaboutnothing on Mon, 11 October 2010, 15:49:52
Quote from: WhiteRice;232618
I just thought of a great prank, send everyone a random scoop of keys and have them seek each other out...

:3


Statistically, one of us would be crazy enough to go down to your house and do god knows what.
Title: 104 US ANSI Double shot replacements for Filco Order
Post by: muchadoaboutnothing on Mon, 11 October 2010, 15:51:15
Quote from: WhiteRice;232619
Correct, each unique key has a separate bag. I'm half Chinese so assembly line is in my blood.


Good, I thought that they might be megatrolls.

(http://imgur.com/N3BBn.png)
Title: 104 US ANSI Double shot replacements for Filco Order
Post by: WhiteRice on Mon, 11 October 2010, 15:53:55
I was going to invite any local members to my house to help out, get some pizza, beer and sort keys...

Then the thought of being turned into someone's lampshade made me decide against it.
Title: 104 US ANSI Double shot replacements for Filco Order
Post by: muchadoaboutnothing on Mon, 11 October 2010, 15:59:14
Quote from: WhiteRice;232622
I was going to invite any local members to my house to help out, get some pizza, beer and sort keys...

Then the thought of being turned into someone's lampshade made me decide against it.


Calm down, nothing will go wrong. It's a good excuse to meet some people here.

Besides, if anyone goes nuts - that's what the cattle prod is for.

You do have a cattle prod, don't you?
Title: 104 US ANSI Double shot replacements for Filco Order
Post by: ironman31 on Mon, 11 October 2010, 16:34:05
Great news. Do those pricings mean that we will have the option to purchase any of the choices? (i.e. geekhack key, wasdgh, and large control)
Title: 104 US ANSI Double shot replacements for Filco Order
Post by: WhiteRice on Mon, 11 October 2010, 16:59:46
Quote from: ironman31;232630
Great news. Do those pricings mean that we will have the option to purchase any of the choices? (i.e. geekhack key, wasdgh, and large control)
Yes, the option prices are dependent on the base 104 US ANSI set, not on each other.
Title: 104 US ANSI Double shot replacements for Filco Order
Post by: laden3 on Mon, 11 October 2010, 17:09:06
Quote from: WhiteRice;232622
I was going to invite any local members to my house to help out, get some pizza, beer and sort keys...

Then the thought of being turned into someone's lampshade made me decide against it.


You can hire your neighbors' kids to put each key into different boxes and make it some sort of competition (kids hate losing). Give them some cookies n beer and make them call u boss!
Title: 104 US ANSI Double shot replacements for Filco Order
Post by: WhiteRice on Mon, 11 October 2010, 17:15:39
Heard back from Signature.

To order two diamond keys per set reduces the price to $0.80/each.
Title: 104 US ANSI Double shot replacements for Filco Order
Post by: Rokkor on Mon, 11 October 2010, 17:29:53
Been lurking here for awhile and leaching off all the vast knowledge here.  This thread forced me to sign up.  

Count me in for 1 set of keys.  Just let me know when and where to send payment.  ;)
Title: 104 US ANSI Double shot replacements for Filco Order
Post by: WhiteRice on Mon, 11 October 2010, 17:39:06
Welcome, Rokkor!

For payment drive downtown, and under the east bridge meet this guy named Jim, pay him in cash. Do not look directly at his scar...

jkjk I'll be drafting up the payment details soon.
Title: 104 US ANSI Double shot replacements for Filco Order
Post by: celery on Mon, 11 October 2010, 17:49:39
Was there any word on the legend types available and/or their pricing?
Title: 104 US ANSI Double shot replacements for Filco Order
Post by: WhiteRice on Mon, 11 October 2010, 17:52:18
For the Meta-key? I re-asked as the first time they thought I meant if I could get the diamond legend on another shape key, instead of another shape legend on the 1.25" key.
Title: 104 US ANSI Double shot replacements for Filco Order
Post by: mrblond on Mon, 11 October 2010, 17:58:21
I have a question. will these work on the tenkeyless boards? I assume they would, you will just have the extra 10 keys.
Title: 104 US ANSI Double shot replacements for Filco Order
Post by: Fwiffo on Mon, 11 October 2010, 18:00:49
Yes, the layout of tenkeyless is identical except for the part that's missing.

Is everybody really happy with diamonds for the meta keys? Seems kinda boring considering how cool the set is going to be.
Title: 104 US ANSI Double shot replacements for Filco Order
Post by: bitmap on Mon, 11 October 2010, 18:01:26
I'm down for a set with all the goodies too.
Title: 104 US ANSI Double shot replacements for Filco Order
Post by: WhiteRice on Mon, 11 October 2010, 18:01:48
Quote from: mrblond;232652
I have a question. will these work on the tenkeyless boards? I assume they would, you will just have the extra 10 keys.
Yes, I and several others are planning on doing the same thing.
Title: 104 US ANSI Double shot replacements for Filco Order
Post by: WhiteRice on Mon, 11 October 2010, 18:02:34
Quote from: Fwiffo;232654
Yes, the layout of tenkeyless is identical except for the part that's missing.

Is everybody really happy with diamonds for the meta keys? Seems kinda boring considering how cool the set is going to be.
I asked for alternate shapes, I agree I would prefer a star or something...
Title: 104 US ANSI Double shot replacements for Filco Order
Post by: muchadoaboutnothing on Mon, 11 October 2010, 18:06:32
Quote from: WhiteRice
I asked for alternate shapes, I agree I would prefer a star or something...

The thing that's good about the diamond is that it's a pretty agreeable shape for all GHers. I think a star would look a little... Out of place.

I say skip orange WASD keys myself but others seem to really like the idea.
Title: 104 US ANSI Double shot replacements for Filco Order
Post by: bitmap on Mon, 11 October 2010, 18:13:21
Would you be able to order some keycap pullers like this as an option? I suppose I could buy a puller from EliteKeyboards, but it would be nice to have this included with shipping. I dont think it would be too much, and they shouldnt have to be custom made...

(http://keycapsdirect.com/images/faq/keycap-puller.jpg)
Title: 104 US ANSI Double shot replacements for Filco Order
Post by: WhiteRice on Mon, 11 October 2010, 18:15:06
Quote from: bitmap;232664
Would you be able to order some keycap pullers like this as an option? I suppose I could buy a puller from EliteKeyboards, but it would be nice to have this included with shipping. I dont think it would be too much, and they shouldnt have to be custom made...

Show Image
(http://keycapsdirect.com/images/faq/keycap-puller.jpg)
I am looking into bitmap :)
Title: 104 US ANSI Double shot replacements for Filco Order
Post by: WhiteRice on Mon, 11 October 2010, 18:18:12
Quote from: muchadoaboutnothing;232661
The thing that's good about the diamond is that it's a pretty agreeable shape for all GHers. I think a star would look a little... Out of place.

I say skip orange WASD keys myself but others seem to really like the idea.


It all depends if they can do any interesting shapes. Diamond is not a bad choice though.

I may cut the g&h keys

EDIT: Diamond is the only shape they have
Title: 104 US ANSI Double shot replacements for Filco Order
Post by: Fwiffo on Mon, 11 October 2010, 18:40:58
Really? I thought they could do custom logos and stuff. :-(
Title: 104 US ANSI Double shot replacements for Filco Order
Post by: WhiteRice on Mon, 11 October 2010, 18:45:53
Quote from: Fwiffo;232669
Really? I thought they could do custom logos and stuff. :-(
Costs more cause they have to retool.

Did you guys want the front of the WASD cluster to be pad printed with arrows? If so this would cost an additional $3.66 per set. I'm thinking no, but I like your input.
Title: 104 US ANSI Double shot replacements for Filco Order
Post by: sixty on Mon, 11 October 2010, 18:54:10
Quote from: WhiteRice;232671
Costs more cause they have to retool.

Did you guys want the front of the WASD cluster to be pad printed with arrows? If so this would cost an additional $3.66 per set. I'm thinking no, but I like your input.


No need imo.
Though personally I wish we would ditch the CTRL Capslock key and get a G80 compatible one instead. How many people actually want the Ctrl one?
Title: 104 US ANSI Double shot replacements for Filco Order
Post by: WhiteRice on Mon, 11 October 2010, 18:55:49
Quote from: sixty;232673
No need imo.
Though personally I wish we would ditch the CTRL Capslock key and get a G80 compatible one instead. How many people actually want the Ctrl one?
Is the G80 one stepped or is the stem off center?
Title: 104 US ANSI Double shot replacements for Filco Order
Post by: sixty on Mon, 11 October 2010, 18:56:39
Quote from: WhiteRice;232675
Is the G80 one stepped or is the stem off center?


G80 one is stepped and the stem is offcenter.
Filco is flat and stem is centered.
Title: 104 US ANSI Double shot replacements for Filco Order
Post by: bitmap on Mon, 11 October 2010, 19:03:50
I like the arrows on the WASD, though they are completely unnecessary. I'd be willing to pay for it. I also use caps lock as control, but I have an otaku board. If we use the caps control key, does that mean there are just going to be two control keys on the left side? That's kind of weird. I really wouldnt mind if it just says caps lock.

Besides the escape and OS key, this set is perfect IMO.
(http://i.imgur.com/JyaDD.jpg)
Title: 104 US ANSI Double shot replacements for Filco Order
Post by: Sam on Mon, 11 October 2010, 19:04:03
How about for those of us who don't want the colored WASD keys?  They're quite expensive as a percent of the entire order.  Maybe some of those who are planning to use the set on a tenkeyless be would willing to trade their extra keypad keys for someone else's unnecessary colored WASD?

I'm guessing they're not able to do stepped keys or a L-shaped Enter?  Or perhaps you didn't ask?  Is there a discount in getting custom keys made as part of this order, or would it be the same if any one of us contacted them directly for a special order of a custom key?  I ask because although the custom order price is expensive, if you had a few people that wanted certain keys, they could split the cost of that.  For example, if 5 people wanted a certain custom key, and the minimum order is 50, then each of them pay for 10 of that key.  It's still expensive, but nothing like if each individual had to order 50 keys by themselves.

Another idea, but maybe it's not reasonable if so many want the colored keys - get a price for just the standard keys and make the colored keys and any other non-standard keys an option.  Based on the number of people that want the non-standard keys, and the minimum order, divide it out and charge them the applicable surcharge.

No information about the ability to do cupped keys?
Title: 104 US ANSI Double shot replacements for Filco Order
Post by: Fwiffo on Mon, 11 October 2010, 19:16:40
The Control key is pretty important to me. I could go either way on the front-printed arrows on the WASD keys. If a lot of people want it, it's not going to break the price of the set for me.
Title: 104 US ANSI Double shot replacements for Filco Order
Post by: ironman31 on Mon, 11 October 2010, 19:33:49
I also would really like a long control key. The WASD and G and H keys don't matter as much. But I'm sure everyone agrees the orange Geekhack key is a must :P
Title: 104 US ANSI Double shot replacements for Filco Order
Post by: muchadoaboutnothing on Mon, 11 October 2010, 19:55:18
Quote from: WhiteRice;232666
It all depends if they can do any interesting shapes. Diamond is not a bad choice though.

I may cut the g&h keys

EDIT: Diamond is the only shape they have

[strike]I say cut  orange WASD. People who want colored WASD could always opt for the set of purple ones that Elitekeyboards has. They add a substantial cost per set especially if arrows are pad printed on them.[/strike]

And it sounds like they made the decision for us with the meta OS key.

EDIT: I'd prefer to get it under $100 shipped for two sets (which won't happen, but $103 is fairly close). I think it's worth printing the WASDGH in orange (20 people want it), but no pad printed arrows. I thought we'd be breaking $50/set with those keys, which is kind of hard to swallow. I'm unlikely to use them.

At the same time I have to recognize that my preferences don't eclipse everyone elses, and 20 people (and we're looking at a 50 set order) want them. That's substantial.
Title: 104 US ANSI Double shot replacements for Filco Order
Post by: ironman31 on Mon, 11 October 2010, 20:02:57
Yeah, I'd much rather pay an extra .80 USD for a key I don't use rather than pay 4.80 USD for keys I can go without.
Title: 104 US ANSI Double shot replacements for Filco Order
Post by: WhiteRice on Mon, 11 October 2010, 20:05:28
I'm hesitant to cut the WASD keys, they seem popular in the poll. Each extra character key is $0.80. If we cut G&H and just got WASD it would be $3.60.

Don't worry the Long Control key isn't going anywhere. If anything we would get an alt stepped caplock.

The prices and discounts we have are dependent on the 50, 104 US ANSI Base set, however any additional keys we get have to be ordered in sets of 50.

Key options(Ranked by poll)

Geekhack Key
Diamond Meta Key
WASD
Long Control
G&H
International
Keys Other Keyboards

Eveyone kinda of forgot about the colored esc key because I left it off the poll. Is anyone still interested? Remember you can get a red one direct from signature.

G&H are cut for the time being. The rest remain to be seen.
Title: 104 US ANSI Double shot replacements for Filco Order
Post by: jnsjr on Mon, 11 October 2010, 20:45:56
I'm in for the WASD in orange.  I'd rather them with the printed arrows if at all possible.  I completely forgot about the colored ESC key.  In my mind I somehow conflated it with the geekhack key.  In any event, that's where I would put my geekhack key so I wouldn't mind leaving the colored ESC key out.  I'm also in for a stepped capslock key and alternate GH keys.  I won't use the long control, esc, or the meta keys but have no problem helping to subsidize.
Title: 104 US ANSI Double shot replacements for Filco Order
Post by: Hak Foo on Mon, 11 October 2010, 20:49:12
Quote from: WhiteRice;232701
I'm hesitant to cut the WASD keys, they seem popular in the poll. Each extra character key is $0.80. If we cut G&H and just got WASD it would be $3.60.

Don't worry the Long Control key isn't going anywhere. If anything we would get an alt stepped caplock.

The prices and discounts we have are dependent on the 50, 104 US ANSI Base set, however any additional keys we get have to be ordered in sets of 50.

Key options(Ranked by poll)

Geekhack Key
Diamond Meta Key
WASD
Long Control
G&H
International
Keys Other Keyboards

Eveyone kinda of forgot about the colored esc key because I left it off the poll. Is anyone still interested? Remember you can get a red one direct from signature.

G&H are cut for the time being. The rest remain to be seen.


I sort of wish we could do something novel, that the KBDmania guys can say 'wish we had it'- what would a single new glyph tooled cost, amortized across 50 sets?  If new tooling is $20, it would mean to get something not-a-diamond for the meta key would really be just 40 cents per order more.

I bet this is how national budgets are made. :)

I looked at your avatar, and does anyone else think a Team Dai-Gurren logo for a meta key would kick ass?
Title: 104 US ANSI Double shot replacements for Filco Order
Post by: Fwiffo on Mon, 11 October 2010, 21:07:21
Quote from: Hak Foo;232720
I sort of wish we could do something novel, that the KBDmania guys can say 'wish we had it'- what would a single new glyph tooled cost, amortized across 50 sets?  If new tooling is $20, it would mean to get something not-a-diamond for the meta key would really be just 40 cents per order more.

I agree with this. I think it would be worth a couple bucks per set to have something completely unique. Flaming skull, trollface guy, whatever.
Title: 104 US ANSI Double shot replacements for Filco Order
Post by: bitmap on Mon, 11 October 2010, 21:13:10
Quote from: Hak Foo;232720
I looked at your avatar, and does anyone else think a Team Dai-Gurren logo for a meta key would kick ass?

As sick as that would be, I don't know how many people would go for that, as it wouldn't help the old school look. I think it's a good idea though, and I agree that we need something unique. A diamond is practical, but paying 50 bucks to replace keys that work fine is not. Might as well go all-out.
Title: 104 US ANSI Double shot replacements for Filco Order
Post by: Antihope on Mon, 11 October 2010, 23:17:15
Quote from: bitmap;232726
A diamond is practical, but paying 50 bucks to replace keys that work fine is not. Might as well go all-out.


Yeah, fwiw, i was planning on paying $60 for the set and like 10 in shipping when I agreed to buy, so right now we're waaayy under budget.  I know it's more of a big deal for those getting multiple sets, but as it stands I'm more than ok with ANY extras (the more the better in fact).  

Hell, it may seem dumb (now) to get keys with people rollerblading or a unicorn fighting a minotaur but i'd rather pay a little more now than be screwed later when I decide I MUST HAVE THEM.  I'm also down for one or more of everything listed in the poll, however practical/impractical they may be.
Title: 104 US ANSI Double shot replacements for Filco Order
Post by: celery on Mon, 11 October 2010, 23:28:26
Quote from: celery;232645
Was there any word on the legend types available and/or their pricing?


Sorry, I meant the legends on the QWERTY keys. Do they have the smaller, off-center ("modern") legends available, and is there a cost difference?
Title: 104 US ANSI Double shot replacements for Filco Order
Post by: WhiteRice on Mon, 11 October 2010, 23:43:10
Quote from: celery;232768
Sorry, I meant the legends on the QWERTY keys. Do they have the smaller, off-center ("modern") legends available, and is there a cost difference?
There is no cost difference for smaller and off-centered legends, but it would have to be applied across the whole batch.
Title: 104 US ANSI Double shot replacements for Filco Order
Post by: WhiteRice on Mon, 11 October 2010, 23:49:28
Quote from: Hak Foo;232720

I looked at your avatar, and does anyone else think a Team Dai-Gurren logo for a meta key would kick ass?



(http://i70.photobucket.com/albums/i89/wisemasterwang/Anime/GarBig.gif)
Title: 104 US ANSI Double shot replacements for Filco Order
Post by: WhiteRice on Mon, 11 October 2010, 23:58:16
I think that making custom double shots is expensive, like tens of hundreds. I'll try and track down who ever ordered the original geek hack keys and ask them about the tooling costs.

Would anyone be interesting in a custom pad printed key? Signature said that it's $0.81 to print/each + the cost of the key + a one time fee of $25 for film and cliches.

Perhaps that would be a more reasonable option? Do anyone have any good ideas, or design? Maybe a tiny keyboard... on a keycap...


And don't forget....

We already have a geekhack key :P
Title: 104 US ANSI Double shot replacements for Filco Order
Post by: sixty on Tue, 12 October 2010, 00:09:51
Custom legends for double shot keys are $15 or $20 at Signature Plastics for the tooling. I ordered and distributed the original first batch of the geekhack key earlier this year.

Double shot is actually the cheapest option signature plastic offers. As you see pad printing is more expensive and sublimation dye is out of the question.
Title: 104 US ANSI Double shot replacements for Filco Order
Post by: WhiteRice on Tue, 12 October 2010, 00:10:47
Quote from: sixty;232676
G80 one is stepped and the stem is offcenter.
Filco is flat and stem is centered.
If we had to get one or the other which would you recommend?
Title: 104 US ANSI Double shot replacements for Filco Order
Post by: sixty on Tue, 12 October 2010, 00:12:40
Quote from: WhiteRice;232775
If we had to get one or the other which would you recommend?


Since 90% of the users interested in this plan on using it for the Filcos, we would have to go with the center stem flat key for the default set of course. I just think that an additional stepped off-center stem capslock key would be great since it instantly makes the entire set of keycaps compatible with the whole range of G80 boards.
Title: 104 US ANSI Double shot replacements for Filco Order
Post by: WhiteRice on Tue, 12 October 2010, 00:15:33
Quote from: sixty;232774
Custom legends for double shot keys are $15 or $20 at Signature Plastics for the tooling. I ordered and distributed the original first batch of the geekhack key earlier this year.

Double shot is actually the cheapest option signature plastic offers. As you see pad printing is more expensive and sublimation dye is out of the question.
sixty to the rescue. I told you installing that signal was a good idea.

Well now that we have an idea, does anyone have any creative suggestions or talent?
Title: 104 US ANSI Double shot replacements for Filco Order
Post by: Fwiffo on Tue, 12 October 2010, 00:21:39
I had posted some suggestions up-thread, cribbing from the 0x2600 unicode page.

☠ ♿ ☢ ☣
Title: 104 US ANSI Double shot replacements for Filco Order
Post by: Hak Foo on Tue, 12 October 2010, 00:35:00
Well, there are also nice rosettes, and a few political sentiments out there


✵❆❃❀✿☮☯❂❁

One thing, sixty:

Even if people are buying for a Filco today, it's enough of a durable and luxury item, they might want to take it with if they go for a new board, so dual compatibility is huge.
Title: 104 US ANSI Double shot replacements for Filco Order
Post by: WhiteRice on Tue, 12 October 2010, 00:37:00
windings number 7

Title: 104 US ANSI Double shot replacements for Filco Order
Post by: sealcouch on Tue, 12 October 2010, 00:47:27
(http://imgur.com/rJLpu.jpg )
I'd kill for a set like that. I will buy one.
Title: 104 US ANSI Double shot replacements for Filco Order
Post by: bitmap on Tue, 12 October 2010, 01:08:38
Played around with some ideas. I really like the dai gurren one. The wingdings keyboard would be cool too.

Awesome key:
(http://imgur.com/wYkT2.png)

Chuck Norris key:
(http://imgur.com/JOFng.png)

Dai-Gurren key:
(http://imgur.com/5AP3X.png)

Hello Kitty key:
(http://imgur.com/twGYg.png)

Star key:
(http://imgur.com/ib76s.png)
Title: 104 US ANSI Double shot replacements for Filco Order
Post by: aCuria on Tue, 12 October 2010, 01:11:40
Put me down for 1 set
Title: 104 US ANSI Double shot replacements for Filco Order
Post by: laden3 on Tue, 12 October 2010, 01:41:22
For the alternate OS keys, we can tell that every person have different tastes and really want to have an OS key with their favorite logo on it. Eventually the majority might compromise each other and decide on a more favorable logo, but some people might find some unknown/ strange logo on their keyboard/ sitting around disturbing. Is it better to make these alternate OS keys a compulsory item for this set of keycaps? It would be more convenient if geekhack has its own logo (can frame the person who doesn't like it anti-geekhack XD) or we make these alternate OS keys geekhack keys, but 3 "geekhacks" on a keyboard might be too much... or... is there a universal logo that everyone likes???
Title: 104 US ANSI Double shot replacements for Filco Order
Post by: British on Tue, 12 October 2010, 03:15:05
Quote from: British;232430
how much would it cost to \"separate\" full sets in two ?
The idea would be to have the keys that are common in just about every ANSI and ISO set (ESC, F keys, modifiers, numpad and so on) in one part, and the rest, which is region-specific (maybe including enter key), in another part.
That way it might be easier for people needing non-US sets to prepare some order for them, without the need to ask for a full set.
Also, that would mean the non-region-specific part can be bought cheaper as the volume will be higher.

Thoughts (at least on that separating part) ?

As expected, the part I asked comments about didn\'t get any... tsk tsk.

Whether or not localized layouts are \"possible\", the question is still current.
Title: 104 US ANSI Double shot replacements for Filco Order
Post by: laden3 on Tue, 12 October 2010, 03:37:03
Quote from: British;232826
As expected, the part I asked comments about didn\'t get any... tsk tsk.

Whether or not localized layouts are \"possible\", the question is still current.


http://geekhack.org/showpost.php?p=232680&postcount=166

You probably need to buy 10 of them...
Title: 104 US ANSI Double shot replacements for Filco Order
Post by: British on Tue, 12 October 2010, 04:21:17
So Sam did steal my idea ?

Heretics !
Title: 104 US ANSI Double shot replacements for Filco Order
Post by: zefrer on Tue, 12 October 2010, 06:57:58
Quote from: sixty;232777
Since 90% of the users interested in this plan on using it for the Filcos, we would have to go with the center stem flat key for the default set of course. I just think that an additional stepped off-center stem capslock key would be great since it instantly makes the entire set of keycaps compatible with the whole range of G80 boards.


It would potentially be beneficial to everyone to order another two keys per set to make it compatible with G80 boards. If that gets more people interested that otherwise would not have the total cost will turn out to be cheaper than not making the extra keys in the first place.

As for the meta key legend I'm down with anything that is not too gaming specific (so I'm not voting for dai-gurren even though I like the anime :D), not absolutely horrible to have on a keyboard (chuck norris) and not a trademarked logo that can get us in trouble (hellokitty).
Title: 104 US ANSI Double shot replacements for Filco Order
Post by: aCuria on Tue, 12 October 2010, 07:19:50
How many people should be interested in a particular option before we go for it as a group? As it stands, only the OS key has an approval rating above 50%. I did vote for wasd keys, but it probably isnt fair for the majority to have to get something only the minority is interested in.
Title: 104 US ANSI Double shot replacements for Filco Order
Post by: laden3 on Tue, 12 October 2010, 07:37:33
I have an idea, lets make the left OS key "wanna" and the right OS key "switch?". This suits the geekhack theme...
Title: 104 US ANSI Double shot replacements for Filco Order
Post by: pipedream on Tue, 12 October 2010, 08:11:29
Make the left one "never gonna" and the right one "give you up"
Title: 104 US ANSI Double shot replacements for Filco Order
Post by: Moogle Stiltzkin on Tue, 12 October 2010, 08:19:18
Quote from: ripster;232870
People at OCN make fun of our logo (http://www.overclock.net/10485088-post736.html) (click hidden text).  Sniff.

Why do we care what they think :/ ?

Their probably just jealous :X
Title: 104 US ANSI Double shot replacements for Filco Order
Post by: Moogle Stiltzkin on Tue, 12 October 2010, 08:26:48
I wonder .... would the 104 keys fit perfectly on a Ducky 9008 ???

(http://28.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_l4d67gF3oX1qcubzno1_500.jpg)
Title: 104 US ANSI Double shot replacements for Filco Order
Post by: Fwiffo on Tue, 12 October 2010, 09:19:37
What this keyboard needs, is more cowbell.

(http://geekhack.org/attachment.php?attachmentid=12862&stc=1&d=1286888525)
Title: 104 US ANSI Double shot replacements for Filco Order
Post by: itlnstln on Tue, 12 October 2010, 09:34:50
Quote from: ripster;232870
People at OCN make fun of our logo (http://www.overclock.net/10485088-post736.html) (click hidden text).  Sniff.


The ironic thing is that it pretty much proves everything we say about them.
Title: 104 US ANSI Double shot replacements for Filco Order
Post by: rantenki on Tue, 12 October 2010, 10:32:18
Quote from: aCuria;232856
How many people should be interested in a particular option before we go for it as a group? As it stands, only the OS key has an approval rating above 50%. I did vote for wasd keys, but it probably isnt fair for the majority to have to get something only the minority is interested in.


I _DEMAND_ hjlk motion keys for vim ;)
Title: 104 US ANSI Double shot replacements for Filco Order
Post by: sixty on Tue, 12 October 2010, 10:40:55
As expected we don't seem to be able to agree on the mod key. It looks like we should stick with the diamond after all, no extra costs, (almost) everyone happy.
Title: 104 US ANSI Double shot replacements for Filco Order
Post by: Fwiffo on Tue, 12 October 2010, 10:49:24
I don't know that nobody can agree, it's just that there's a lot of ideas. I actually like most of the suggestions so far, some more than the diamond. After we've collected a number of suggestions we could put up another multi-choice poll where people can check off all the ones they find acceptable putting the various logos, widgets, slogans and doo-dads up against the super-boring diamond.
Title: 104 US ANSI Double shot replacements for Filco Order
Post by: itlnstln on Tue, 12 October 2010, 10:53:04
I'm down with the diamond.

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Title: 104 US ANSI Double shot replacements for Filco Order
Post by: Daniel Beaver on Tue, 12 October 2010, 11:24:08
Diamond is fine. I'm not too picky about the particulars.
Title: 104 US ANSI Double shot replacements for Filco Order
Post by: Fwiffo on Tue, 12 October 2010, 11:36:46
How about "Meta"? :-p
Title: 104 US ANSI Double shot replacements for Filco Order
Post by: Rally Man on Tue, 12 October 2010, 11:37:11
Please don't forget to add me to the list, 2 sets please!  Thanks.
Title: 104 US ANSI Double shot replacements for Filco Order
Post by: Henry on Tue, 12 October 2010, 12:18:26
Count me in for one set.
Title: 104 US ANSI Double shot replacements for Filco Order
Post by: WhiteRice on Tue, 12 October 2010, 13:56:00
I think that diamond is the way go, maybe we'll have a definitive logo for the next set.

We are quickly approaching the time to order

Just some loose ends,

Does anyone have a sample image of the ISO enter key? I'm not familiar with it and I need an example for Signature. The good news is they would be able to produce it.

I also asked about the stepped capslock key and that is also feasible.

Awaiting quotes on both.
Title: 104 US ANSI Double shot replacements for Filco Order
Post by: gregh on Tue, 12 October 2010, 14:24:15
Sign me up for one set.
Title: 104 US ANSI Double shot replacements for Filco Order
Post by: Culinia on Tue, 12 October 2010, 14:25:03
I would be interested in a set...only if it has international keys i.e. large enter key and small shift key.
Title: 104 US ANSI Double shot replacements for Filco Order
Post by: WhiteRice on Tue, 12 October 2010, 14:26:00
Quote from: Culinia;232982
I would be interested in a set...only if it has international keys i.e. large enter key and small shift key.
I need details on these keys, a picture even would be good.
Title: 104 US ANSI Double shot replacements for Filco Order
Post by: WhiteRice on Tue, 12 October 2010, 14:29:28
(http://www.keyboardco.com/keyboard_images/german_filco_majestouch_keyboard_large.jpg)

Is this what you mean? If so it looks like one of the diamond keys would fit for the short shift.
Title: 104 US ANSI Double shot replacements for Filco Order
Post by: Culinia on Tue, 12 October 2010, 14:39:35
Yes I think so!

I am going to upload a photo of mine.

PS, would it be possible to get a blank / T and N bump home row keys? Since typing in colemak here. Probably not but don't hurt to ask? lol.
Title: 104 US ANSI Double shot replacements for Filco Order
Post by: Culinia on Tue, 12 October 2010, 14:46:09
Here we are!

(http://img299.imageshack.us/img299/390/enterb.png)


(http://img340.imageshack.us/img340/3261/shiftb.png)
Title: 104 US ANSI Double shot replacements for Filco Order
Post by: WhiteRice on Tue, 12 October 2010, 15:12:38
Perfect! I sent them to Signature and we should be hearing back from them shortly.

How many blank keys a necessary to accommodate all international keyboards?
Title: 104 US ANSI Double shot replacements for Filco Order
Post by: Megaweapon on Tue, 12 October 2010, 16:02:19
Maybe I missed it, but I didn't see anyone* reply indicating that they loved Windows logo'ed meta keys.

So if we were to only get the diamond keys that would reduce the cost, right?


* - "Anyone" in this context meaning "Anyone who is actually participating in the order"
Title: 104 US ANSI Double shot replacements for Filco Order
Post by: itlnstln on Tue, 12 October 2010, 16:09:42
I certainly don't mind the Windows key, but I do like the diamond and if it's cheaper, all the better.
Title: 104 US ANSI Double shot replacements for Filco Order
Post by: SmallWalrus on Tue, 12 October 2010, 16:40:55
Sign me up for 1 set too. I prefer diamond as well.
Title: 104 US ANSI Double shot replacements for Filco Order
Post by: WhiteRice on Tue, 12 October 2010, 16:56:31
Quote from: Megaweapon;233004
Maybe I missed it, but I didn't see anyone* reply indicating that they loved Windows logo'ed meta keys.

So if we were to only get the diamond keys that would reduce the cost, right?


* - "Anyone" in this context meaning "Anyone who is actually participating in the order"
Windows keys are  part of the set, so the diamond will be in addition too.

I got pricing information of the J shaped enter keys and the stepped capslock.

If we get a stepped capslock key we also get a discount on the long control so they end up being $0.80/each.

The J shaped enter keys are $2.39/each.

Food for thought.
Title: 104 US ANSI Double shot replacements for Filco Order
Post by: jnsjr on Tue, 12 October 2010, 17:00:37
Here's a vote both the stepped capslock key and the long control.  Both of which are filco compatible right?
Title: 104 US ANSI Double shot replacements for Filco Order
Post by: woebtz on Tue, 12 October 2010, 17:17:19
Please put me down for a set!
Title: 104 US ANSI Double shot replacements for Filco Order
Post by: WhiteRice on Tue, 12 October 2010, 17:41:23
We need to decide if we want the J shaped enter w/ two blanks.

I'm preparing to start collecting payments. So please try decide how many sets you want if you want more than one.
Title: 104 US ANSI Double shot replacements for Filco Order
Post by: ironman31 on Tue, 12 October 2010, 17:41:27
Have we decided about the size/placement of the font yet?
Title: 104 US ANSI Double shot replacements for Filco Order
Post by: WhiteRice on Tue, 12 October 2010, 17:42:39
Quote from: ironman31;233024
Have we decided about the size/placement of the font yet?
The majority likes the large centered legends.
Title: 104 US ANSI Double shot replacements for Filco Order
Post by: ironman31 on Tue, 12 October 2010, 17:45:24
Quote from: WhiteRice;233025
The majority likes the large centered legends.


Ok. Good. I agree with them if my vote matters at this point in time.
Title: 104 US ANSI Double shot replacements for Filco Order
Post by: nanu on Tue, 12 October 2010, 18:17:28
So who isn't buying but voted anyway? :whistle:
Title: 104 US ANSI Double shot replacements for Filco Order
Post by: Laxian Key on Tue, 12 October 2010, 18:25:19
Long time lurker's first post:

Really appreciate all the work you are putting into this WhiteRice and I was interested but I was really looking for "boring" Helvetia in the standard keyboard placement (upper left); all black keys. Might be my monitor, but the grey keys have a greenish tinge. The different keys/fonts also give the keyboard a cobbled together look...

I'll take a pass and wait for the Majestouch double shots.
Title: 104 US ANSI Double shot replacements for Filco Order
Post by: Sam on Tue, 12 October 2010, 18:59:41
I'm in for a set if it includes the stepped Caps Lock and the J Enter.  Seeing as nobody else seems interested though in the J Enter, I guess it's not fair to include it for everyone else.  But if there's several people who want it, then we could split the cost between us for the 50 pieces (and divide the 50 pieces equally among us).  If there's 5 of us, that's $23.90 extra we'd pay for 10 J Enters.
Title: 104 US ANSI Double shot replacements for Filco Order
Post by: sealcouch on Tue, 12 October 2010, 19:58:15
I'm interested in a set.
Title: 104 US ANSI Double shot replacements for Filco Order
Post by: pipedream on Tue, 12 October 2010, 20:08:27
Aw heck put me down for one set. And I would really like an ISO enter key, if possible.
Title: 104 US ANSI Double shot replacements for Filco Order
Post by: WhiteRice on Tue, 12 October 2010, 20:20:59
Quote from: Laxian Key;233047
Long time lurker's first post:

Really appreciate all the work you are putting into this WhiteRice and I was interested but I was really looking for "boring" Helvetia in the standard keyboard placement (upper left); all black keys. Might be my monitor, but the grey keys have a greenish tinge. The different keys/fonts also give the keyboard a cobbled together look...

I'll take a pass and wait for the Majestouch double shots.
(http://i.imgur.com/JyaDD.jpg)

Most accurate pic btw. Thanks for the props :)
Title: 104 US ANSI Double shot replacements for Filco Order
Post by: WhiteRice on Tue, 12 October 2010, 20:30:29
I went through the thread there are around six people who want J shaped enter and some blanks.

J shaped enter are $2.39 / each

blanks will probably be $0.60 / each

Sorry guys but I don't think there is enough demand to justify the cost for the whole order.

I could ask signature for a smaller run of like 10 sets J-enters w/ two blank caps. The cost will be higher. You would have to pay extra for these set in addition to the base set.
Title: 104 US ANSI Double shot replacements for Filco Order
Post by: Kaishi on Tue, 12 October 2010, 21:32:50
I'd like to be in on this order for 1x set! and I'd like a full set of all the options, please :) Prices are very reasonable.

Think they'll work with a Rosewill RK-9000?

EDIT: To clarify:
KEY COLOR: Black or Dark Grey (As per the OP)
LEGEND COLOR: White or Red (OP configuration is fine)
FONT: Default as per the OP.  Looks sexy like an old typewriter.
TO FIT: Rosewill RK-9000 (which should be identical to a Filco)
OPTIONS DESIRED: WASD Orange (with arrows too, ideally), CTRL, CAPS, Geek Hack
OPTIONS NOT DESIRED: J-Enter, Tiny [ \ | ], Tiny [<-Backspace], Diamond aka Meta, Apple Keys

With that said I'd be happy to have a full set of all the optional keys, and would pay to have them made.  If the only way to get what I want is to get all of what everyone wants, then so be it.
Title: 104 US ANSI Double shot replacements for Filco Order
Post by: Tr0j4nM4x1mus on Tue, 12 October 2010, 21:32:56
I will buy a set ....please count me in...all options
Title: 104 US ANSI Double shot replacements for Filco Order
Post by: Sam on Tue, 12 October 2010, 21:33:00
I wouldn't mind paying extra for the J-Enter as long as it was reasonable.  Same for some blanks if they're not part of the order.  Would the blanks be in the green-gray color or the dark-gray, or one of each?
Title: 104 US ANSI Double shot replacements for Filco Order
Post by: WhiteRice on Tue, 12 October 2010, 21:39:13
Quote from: Kaishi;233113

Think they'll work with a Rosewill RK-9000?


Yes, should be 100% compatible.

Quote from: Sam;233115
I wouldn't mind paying extra for the J-Enter as long as it was reasonable.  Same for some blanks if they're not part of the order.  Would the blanks be in the green-gray color or the dark-gray, or one of each?


The blanks will be the same color as the other character keys.
Title: 104 US ANSI Double shot replacements for Filco Order
Post by: Sam on Tue, 12 October 2010, 21:50:34
That's fine.  Please post once the others who want those keys have responded and you can come up with a final price.
Title: 104 US ANSI Double shot replacements for Filco Order
Post by: Kaishi on Tue, 12 October 2010, 22:18:29
I'm also happy to pre-pay in full as soon as the details are finalized and submitted to the manufacturer.

EDIT: Deleted the accidental double-post.  I thought someone had replied in the interim but I was mistaken. (Dang it, it won't delete.  Why is there a delete function if it doesn't work? Does it need mod-approval to delete a post? I apologize.)
Quote from: Fwiffo;231864
Is there actually anyone who wants Windows logo keys? Cause if everyone can agree on some OS-agnostic icon for those keys, they won't need to be "alternate" keys, we just wouldn't need Windows ones at all. What about the context menu key?

(some ideas for meta keys if you have unicodey fonts)
☺ ☃ ☠ ☢ ☣ ♘ ♠ ♿ ⚛ ⚰ ⚱

Honestly, I'd be okay with any of the options.  I'm fine with the little windows flag too.  What I don't want to see is a bloody Apple logo on my keyboard because that will put me in a foul mood.

I do rather like the circular embossing that Microsoft has been pushing on keyboard manufacturers because I find myself much less likely to accidentally press the key if I can feel a difference.  That said, I rarely make errors in that group... finger memory and all.

We do need to agree on a single thing.  If we can't agree on a non-windows symbol, I propose we go with the windows flag just because it is standard and doesn't tend to offend.
Title: 104 US ANSI Double shot replacements for Filco Order
Post by: Kaishi on Tue, 12 October 2010, 23:44:45
Quote from: Fwiffo;231864
Is there actually anyone who wants Windows logo keys? Cause if everyone can agree on some OS-agnostic icon for those keys, they won't need to be "alternate" keys, we just wouldn't need Windows ones at all. What about the context menu key?

(some ideas for meta keys if you have unicodey fonts)
☺ ☃ ☠ ☢ ☣ ♘ ♠ ♿ ⚛ ⚰ ⚱


Honestly, I'd be okay with any of the options.  I'm fine with the little windows flag too.  What I don't want to see is a bloody Apple logo on my keyboard because that will put me in a foul mood.

I do rather like the circular embossing that Microsoft has been pushing on keyboard manufacturers because I find myself much less likely to accidentally press the key if I can feel a difference.  That said, I rarely make errors in that group... finger memory and all.

We do need to agree on a single thing.  If we can't agree on a non-windows symbol, I propose we go with the windows flag just because it is standard and doesn't tend to offend.
Title: 104 US ANSI Double shot replacements for Filco Order
Post by: wirefish on Wed, 13 October 2010, 00:08:57
Eh, I'd rather anything other than a Windows symbol... I bet it offends just as much as an Apple logo :) But it sounds like a diamond is a good, unobjectionable choice.
Title: 104 US ANSI Double shot replacements for Filco Order
Post by: Culinia on Wed, 13 October 2010, 02:25:01
Quote from: Sam;233115
I wouldn't mind paying extra for the J-Enter as long as it was reasonable.  Same for some blanks if they're not part of the order.  Would the blanks be in the green-gray color or the dark-gray, or one of each?


Same here, I would not mind paying a reasonable amount extra for the bigger enter key.

Would prefer two blank keys with the bump found on qwerty F and J keys though, because I try and convert my keyboard to colemak layout.

Also I would not mind a windows key.
Title: 104 US ANSI Double shot replacements for Filco Order
Post by: pipedream on Wed, 13 October 2010, 05:34:23
Quote from: WhiteRice;233087
I went through the thread there are around six people who want J shaped enter and some blanks.

J shaped enter are $2.39 / each

blanks will probably be $0.60 / each

Sorry guys but I don't think there is enough demand to justify the cost for the whole order.

I could ask signature for a smaller run of like 10 sets J-enters w/ two blank caps. The cost will be higher. You would have to pay extra for these set in addition to the base set.


I'll be fine with paying a higher price to get the ISO enter and blanks.
Title: 104 US ANSI Double shot replacements for Filco Order
Post by: ironman31 on Wed, 13 October 2010, 06:20:24
Diamond's fine. Was this key going to be double shot or pad printed?
Title: 104 US ANSI Double shot replacements for Filco Order
Post by: Kaishi on Wed, 13 October 2010, 07:07:28
Quote from: ironman31;233195
Diamond's fine. Was this key going to be double shot or pad printed?


This is a really good question.  I almost never see the windows / meta / OS key doubleshot.  With that said, is it possible to get it done the same as the rest?

Also, are there any keys which are infeasible to have doubleshot? When I think of a set of doubleshot keys, I think 100% doubleshot.

That said, I'm sure we can all agree on one approach or another.  If certain keys are just a pain, other printing methods are acceptable by me, so long as the overwhelming majority are doubleshot.
Title: 104 US ANSI Double shot replacements for Filco Order
Post by: zefrer on Wed, 13 October 2010, 07:10:06
I'm up for getting ISO enter key and blanks in regular order, could use the enter key at some point in the future.

But yeah, no win key/logos please, it offends :) Diamond is fine.
Title: 104 US ANSI Double shot replacements for Filco Order
Post by: Kaishi on Wed, 13 October 2010, 07:34:28
Quote from: zefrer;233205
I'm up for getting ISO enter key and blanks in regular order, could use the enter key at some point in the future.

But yeah, no win key/logos please, it offends :) Diamond is fine.


Apparently Windows key is included, diamond or anything else would be in addition.  I don't mind paying the extra cost to get a diamond key if there is enough of a demand, but it also doesn't matter very much to me.
Title: 104 US ANSI Double shot replacements for Filco Order
Post by: WhiteRice on Wed, 13 October 2010, 08:03:27
Should be a slow day at work today, I'll be keeping an eye on the thread.

Hopefully I'll hear back form Signature about final pricing details.

If you need a response immediately pm me.
Title: 104 US ANSI Double shot replacements for Filco Order
Post by: laden3 on Wed, 13 October 2010, 08:43:12
wow, we reached 50 sets now, but...... why there are 53 voters -.-'''
Title: 104 US ANSI Double shot replacements for Filco Order
Post by: keyboardlover on Wed, 13 October 2010, 08:45:31
Quote from: laden3;233226
wow, we reached 50 sets now, but...... why there are 53 voters -.-'''

I voted 'other' for topre replacement keycaps. =)
Title: 104 US ANSI Double shot replacements for Filco Order
Post by: ironman31 on Wed, 13 October 2010, 09:42:27
Quote from: keyboardlover;233227
I voted 'other' for topre replacement keycaps. =)


Good idea. But click clack should be done soon and you can buy a full set of novelty keys! (Shouldn't be THAT expensive)
Title: 104 US ANSI Double shot replacements for Filco Order
Post by: Kaishi on Wed, 13 October 2010, 10:35:24
Is there any reason we can't treat 50 orders as the minimum?  I mean, if there are 55 interested people, or 55 sets to be sold to any number of people, couldn't we just make the run larger? In theory, that would actually decrease the per-unit cost.

Unless the OP disagrees, I move to say that 50 is the minimum.  So long as at least 50 people want these, we can make it happen.
Title: 104 US ANSI Double shot replacements for Filco Order
Post by: ethanb on Wed, 13 October 2010, 10:40:34
Oh dear, are they already all sold? I registered just to post here and say I was interested. :(

If it's possible to extend the order, I want the control key to replace caps lock and the diamond keys as well. And a GeekHack key, why not? :)
Title: 104 US ANSI Double shot replacements for Filco Order
Post by: WhiteRice on Wed, 13 October 2010, 10:56:32
Quote from: ethanb;233275
Oh dear, are they already all sold? I registered just to post here and say I was interested. :(

If it's possible to extend the order, I want the control key to replace caps lock and the diamond keys as well. And a GeekHack key, why not? :)
Worry not! I will order more than 50 if needed! It all depends on how many people actually pay.
Title: 104 US ANSI Double shot replacements for Filco Order
Post by: Kaishi on Wed, 13 October 2010, 12:16:25
Quote from: WhiteRice;233284
Worry not! I will order more than 50 if needed! It all depends on how many people actually pay.


As soon as you are ready to accept payment, and know the final price per unit, I will happily send you that amount by PayPal.  If you need any assistance, don't hesitate to call on me as I was about to make a thread to this effect myself, and then stumbled upon yours :)

You have no idea how happy I am to see a community working together on a project, rather than bickering and calling names.
Title: 104 US ANSI Double shot replacements for Filco Order
Post by: sixty on Wed, 13 October 2010, 12:31:22
Now that we have all these extras and enough interested buyers, I would like to reduce my order to one set for now.
Title: 104 US ANSI Double shot replacements for Filco Order
Post by: WhiteRice on Wed, 13 October 2010, 12:55:30
If I order 10 J-shaped enter keys they are $8.49 each...

Blanks are $0.21 each.

So the international "booster pack" would be $8.91.
Title: 104 US ANSI Double shot replacements for Filco Order
Post by: Kraicheck on Wed, 13 October 2010, 13:40:43
Sign me up for a set with the international booster pack.
Title: 104 US ANSI Double shot replacements for Filco Order
Post by: AvroArrow on Wed, 13 October 2010, 13:52:52
I'm in for one set.  Need to pimp my tenkeyless Filco and Filco keypad.  And like the other Canadian, I also live a 30min... maybe 45min drive away from Signature Plastics.  Makes me almost want to drive down there and get it myself.  :)
Title: 104 US ANSI Double shot replacements for Filco Order
Post by: WhiteRice on Wed, 13 October 2010, 14:41:01
Please Note: That I have to get at least 10 orders of the international booster packs.

I will be sending invoices via pm tonight. The pricing information in the first post is accurate.
Title: 104 US ANSI Double shot replacements for Filco Order
Post by: negidaku on Wed, 13 October 2010, 15:08:14
I'd like to sign up for 1 set (no booster pack necessary).
Title: 104 US ANSI Double shot replacements for Filco Order
Post by: pipedream on Wed, 13 October 2010, 15:16:24
Quote from: WhiteRice;233319
If I order 10 J-shaped enter keys they are $8.49 each...

Blanks are $0.21 each.

So the international "booster pack" would be $8.91.


Mark me down for one of those booster packs!
Title: 104 US ANSI Double shot replacements for Filco Order
Post by: thcyash on Wed, 13 October 2010, 15:18:35
@whiterice: you can extend my order with an international booster pack ( could use one for my old G80-3000 with German layout( how many ghers have already signed up for a booster pack?)

ps: good work btw ... i really appreciate your efforts and thanks for the whole organization stuff :)
Title: 104 US ANSI Double shot replacements for Filco Order
Post by: itlnstln on Wed, 13 October 2010, 15:30:43
Quote from: thcyash;233390
ps: good work btw ... i really appreciate your efforts and thanks for the whole organization stuff :)


I'll second that.  I think this is the first time we have successfully pulled off any kind of consensus on this forum.  Too many times we have had group buys fall apart because of a lack of consensus.
Title: 104 US ANSI Double shot replacements for Filco Order
Post by: wap32 on Wed, 13 October 2010, 15:33:57
I think I might have to cancel my "order", I don't think I'd be able to populate my ISO MX-11800.

Can anyone confirm this?
The ctrl/alt keys are different sized (because there's no meta key), and so are the shifts I believe.

If I could be sure I'd be able to populate all the keys, even if the labels didn't match (e.g. caps lock cap on ctrl key), I'd be up for a set with the international pack (ISO styled enter).
Title: 104 US ANSI Double shot replacements for Filco Order
Post by: bitmap on Wed, 13 October 2010, 16:29:02
I'm glad signature was so cooperative, this really came together fast. Did they give any time estimate?
Title: 104 US ANSI Double shot replacements for Filco Order
Post by: WhiteRice on Wed, 13 October 2010, 16:36:34
Yea, I worked with Melissa from their sales team. She was really cooperative and patient.

No time estimate yet, but I will be asking shortly.
Title: 104 US ANSI Double shot replacements for Filco Order
Post by: Kaishi on Wed, 13 October 2010, 16:39:34
Quote from: WhiteRice;233441
Yea, I worked with Melissa from their sales team. She was really cooperative and patient.

No time estimate yet, but I will be asking shortly.


She is nice.  I've been in touch with her as well.  I linked her to this thread :)
Title: 104 US ANSI Double shot replacements for Filco Order
Post by: ironman31 on Wed, 13 October 2010, 17:12:07
Just to confirm, the 1.75 control key is the one that'll fit on the caps lock, correct? (the same size as the HHKB's control key.)
Title: 104 US ANSI Double shot replacements for Filco Order
Post by: Sam on Wed, 13 October 2010, 18:14:33
I'm in at that price for one set, plus the booster pack, plus given the cheap cost of the blank keys ($.21 each) would like to get 100 of these if possible.
Title: 104 US ANSI Double shot replacements for Filco Order
Post by: didjamatic on Wed, 13 October 2010, 18:27:15
I'd love 2 sets + some extras mentioned.  If it was a full set like this one compatible with multiple keyboards I might get additional sets.  Sorry I haven't read the entire thread, I'm on vacation.   Well done WhiteRice!

(http://imgur.com/rJLpu.jpg)
Title: 104 US ANSI Double shot replacements for Filco Order
Post by: WhiteRice on Wed, 13 October 2010, 18:44:51
Hey Guys,

I need someone to pop their ISO J style enter key off and snap a picture of the bottom and the stems on the board.

Signature just wants to confirm key compatibility before proceeding.
Title: 104 US ANSI Double shot replacements for Filco Order
Post by: pipedream on Wed, 13 October 2010, 19:02:12
I had too poor lighting to take a good picture but I hope this is useful.
Title: 104 US ANSI Double shot replacements for Filco Order
Post by: WhiteRice on Wed, 13 October 2010, 19:18:49
Quote from: pipedream;233530
I had too poor lighting to take a good picture but I hope this is useful.
Thanks pipedream, looks good to me. I'm sending it to her now.
Title: 104 US ANSI Double shot replacements for Filco Order
Post by: sixty on Wed, 13 October 2010, 19:20:11
you should mention that the two white stabilizers are not fixed and can be removed/exchanged.
Title: 104 US ANSI Double shot replacements for Filco Order
Post by: AvroArrow on Wed, 13 October 2010, 19:31:34
BTW, I don't think it's been mentioned in the thread or your initial post yet, but will you be taking payments via Paypal?  If so have you factored in Paypal fees?  Just in case you are not aware, depending on your account, you can be hit for anywhere between 2-4% for receving money, and 1-2% more for receiving international payments (fortunately for me, Canada is considered the same zone (domestic) as US).  It might not seem like much until you go $50x50x4%.  I wouldn't want you to lose money on the paypal fees for organizing this group buy.
Title: 104 US ANSI Double shot replacements for Filco Order
Post by: Megaweapon on Wed, 13 October 2010, 19:52:50
I am willing to send money to avoid PayPal fees.

Other people may be as well...  Sounds like it would be particularly attractive to the euros.
Title: 104 US ANSI Double shot replacements for Filco Order
Post by: Kaishi on Wed, 13 October 2010, 19:57:32
If you send payment as "gift" there are no fees in paypal.  The downside is, there are no protections on gifts, meaning if you order something, pay via paypal but send as a gift, and the seller doesn't send anything, you have no recourse.

I'll be sending mine a gift in principle.  I trust the community, and the OP.
Title: 104 US ANSI Double shot replacements for Filco Order
Post by: WhiteRice on Wed, 13 October 2010, 20:03:18
Gifting through paypal would be ideal.

I'll post my picture, so you can come hit me in the head with a rock if I try and run away.

Does anyone have a problem with gifting through paypal?
Title: 104 US ANSI Double shot replacements for Filco Order
Post by: Megaweapon on Wed, 13 October 2010, 20:05:57
Can you do it without a PayPal account?
Title: 104 US ANSI Double shot replacements for Filco Order
Post by: ironman31 on Wed, 13 October 2010, 20:07:10
doubt it
Title: 104 US ANSI Double shot replacements for Filco Order
Post by: WhiteRice on Wed, 13 October 2010, 20:31:35
I will try and accommodate everyone, but PayPal is preferred.
Title: 104 US ANSI Double shot replacements for Filco Order
Post by: muchadoaboutnothing on Wed, 13 October 2010, 20:35:00
I don't have an invoice yet. Sorry to be a nudge. (2 sets, no international booster)

Also, you DO take Geoffrey Bucks delivered by carrier pigeon, right?

Just kidding, PayPal will be fine.

Quote from: Megaweapon;233561
Can you do it without a PayPal account?

Most PayPal links I see nowadays allow you to make a payment without registering, but you can use an account (login on the right hand side) if you have one.

However, if WhiteRice just supplies his email, you might need one. We'll have to see how this works exactly...
Title: 104 US ANSI Double shot replacements for Filco Order
Post by: Hak Foo on Wed, 13 October 2010, 20:42:44
I politely await my invoice.

You do accept a combination of obsolete foreign banknotes and bits of string, right?
Title: 104 US ANSI Double shot replacements for Filco Order
Post by: WhiteRice on Wed, 13 October 2010, 20:59:30
Quote from: Hak Foo;233574
I politely await my invoice.

You do accept a combination of obsolete foreign banknotes and bits of string, right?
I think I'm going to need to see some identification....

lol

Sorry guys I'm running slow on the invoices. I had some work I had to finish tonight.
Title: 104 US ANSI Double shot replacements for Filco Order
Post by: qlojolp on Wed, 13 October 2010, 22:23:17
Hi WhiteRice,

Put me up for 2 sets please.
I assume the set include all the options, right?
I will also like 2 set of International Booster Packs.

I am from Singapore btw, let me know the final amount I need to pay you.

Thanks!
Title: 104 US ANSI Double shot replacements for Filco Order
Post by: squarebox on Wed, 13 October 2010, 23:16:38
Quote from: qlojolp;233612
Hi WhiteRice,

Put me up for 2 sets please.
I assume the set include all the options, right?
I will also like 2 set of International Booster Packs.

I am from Singapore btw, let me know the final amount I need to pay you.

Thanks!


Hi qlojolp,
I'm from Singapore too, I'm gathering up people @ vr-forums to save on the shipping... currently have 3 sets...

@WhiteRice, 3 set for shipping = 14 + 2 ???
Title: 104 US ANSI Double shot replacements for Filco Order
Post by: WhiteRice on Wed, 13 October 2010, 23:26:26
Quote from: squarebox;233620
Hi qlojolp,
I'm from Singapore too, I'm gathering up people @ vr-forums to save on the shipping... currently have 3 sets...

@WhiteRice, 3 set for shipping = 14 + 2 ???
I just checked and yes, that is good. I will for shipping first class instead of priority then. Is that ok?
Title: 104 US ANSI Double shot replacements for Filco Order
Post by: WhiteRice on Wed, 13 October 2010, 23:31:37
Hey guys, I'm going to hold off until tomorrow to do the invoices. It's late here.

I already have 18 sets claimed.

Good night!
Title: 104 US ANSI Double shot replacements for Filco Order
Post by: Moogle Stiltzkin on Wed, 13 October 2010, 23:42:07
I might be interested, however could someone post some more HQ pics of the full set. I can't really get a good close up look of the keys :/
Title: 104 US ANSI Double shot replacements for Filco Order
Post by: TexasFlood on Wed, 13 October 2010, 23:48:04
Quote from: Kaishi;233113
I'd like to be in on this order for 1x set! and I'd like a full set of all the options, please :) Prices are very reasonable.

Think they'll work with a Rosewill RK-9000?

EDIT: To clarify:
KEY COLOR: Black or Dark Grey (As per the OP)
LEGEND COLOR: White or Red (OP configuration is fine)
FONT: Default as per the OP.  Looks sexy like an old typewriter.
TO FIT: Rosewill RK-9000 (which should be identical to a Filco)
OPTIONS DESIRED: WASD Orange (with arrows too, ideally), CTRL, CAPS, Geek Hack
OPTIONS NOT DESIRED: J-Enter, Tiny [ \ | ], Tiny [<-Backspace], Diamond aka Meta, Apple Keys

With that said I'd be happy to have a full set of all the optional keys, and would pay to have them made.  If the only way to get what I want is to get all of what everyone wants, then so be it.


Quote from: WhiteRice;233117
Yes, should be 100% compatible.


If these are RK-9000 I might have to get in on this if I still can.  Too late to think right now, tomorrow.....
Title: 104 US ANSI Double shot replacements for Filco Order
Post by: Sam on Thu, 14 October 2010, 00:19:04
A very big thank you goes out to WhiteRice for taking the initiative and organizing this order!
Title: 104 US ANSI Double shot replacements for Filco Order
Post by: woebtz on Thu, 14 October 2010, 00:22:08
Would you guys be interested in paying via https://www.wepay.com/?

I've heard a fair share of Paypal horror stories just in the past month that make me want to, at least, consider the alternatives:

http://tortoisesvn.net/howpaypalscrewsopensourceprojects

http://www.escapistmagazine.com/news/view/103385-PayPal-Freezes-750K-in-MineCraft-Devs-Account
Title: 104 US ANSI Double shot replacements for Filco Order
Post by: aCuria on Thu, 14 October 2010, 01:07:05
Quote from: squarebox;233620
Hi qlojolp,
I'm from Singapore too, I'm gathering up people @ vr-forums to save on the shipping... currently have 3 sets...

@WhiteRice, 3 set for shipping = 14 + 2 ???


Hi squarebox,

I am from Singapore too, dundee on vrzone. I would like to ship together too. ps: are you undarken on vrzone?
Title: 104 US ANSI Double shot replacements for Filco Order
Post by: squarebox on Thu, 14 October 2010, 02:08:46
Quote from: aCuria;233641
Hi squarebox,

I am from Singapore too, dundee on vrzone. I would like to ship together too. ps: are you undarken on vrzone?


Yes. I'm Undarken on vrzone...
Title: 104 US ANSI Double shot replacements for Filco Order
Post by: qlojolp on Thu, 14 October 2010, 02:47:16
Quote from: squarebox;233620
Hi qlojolp,
I'm from Singapore too, I'm gathering up people @ vr-forums to save on the shipping... currently have 3 sets...

@WhiteRice, 3 set for shipping = 14 + 2 ???


oh, i didn't see any post in vr-forums.
my username in vr-forums is hbk1976.
I will like to join you in the shipping, if u dun mind.
Title: 104 US ANSI Double shot replacements for Filco Order
Post by: zefrer on Thu, 14 October 2010, 07:13:49
Please sign me up for the booster pack if you haven't already.

And again, thanks for taking the lead on this WhiteRice. As for payment, would you accept unreleased episodes of Dai Guren? :D (gifting through paypal is ok with me)
Title: 104 US ANSI Double shot replacements for Filco Order
Post by: WhiteRice on Thu, 14 October 2010, 10:10:30
Wow guys 39 Keysets and 9 Boosters are spoken for!

I'll be getting the invoices together tonight. I appreciate all the gratitude you guys are showing as well!
Title: 104 US ANSI Double shot replacements for Filco Order
Post by: itlnstln on Thu, 14 October 2010, 10:45:41
If you offer a completely black set in the future with the same optional key setup, you can count me in for that, too.  While I like the grey keys, I'm down for "normal," too.
Title: 104 US ANSI Double shot replacements for Filco Order
Post by: wap32 on Thu, 14 October 2010, 11:04:03
I already replied to WhiteRice's PM, but I'm in for a keyset plus international pack.
Title: 104 US ANSI Double shot replacements for Filco Order
Post by: WhiteRice on Thu, 14 October 2010, 11:07:03
I figure we'll wait until next year before placing another group order. At least we have the majority of details worked out for next time.

It would be awesome if someone creative could make up some concepts for the future.
Title: 104 US ANSI Double shot replacements for Filco Order
Post by: Kaishi on Thu, 14 October 2010, 11:47:46
Quote from: WhiteRice;233762
I figure we'll wait until next year before placing another group order. At least we have the majority of details worked out for next time.

It would be awesome if someone creative could make up some concepts for the future.


I'd be happy to develop concepts for replacement keys.  I've already been working on some ideas.  I'm also still in touch with Melissa at Signature, with the idea that if this order goes well, and the results meet our expectations, that I would be interested in doing something a bit more... outlandish :biggrin:
Title: 104 US ANSI Double shot replacements for Filco Order
Post by: itlnstln on Thu, 14 October 2010, 12:13:53
I'd be in for some double-shot, blank caps.  Preferably black.
Title: 104 US ANSI Double shot replacements for Filco Order
Post by: TheSoulhunter on Thu, 14 October 2010, 12:31:31
Nice...
Id like to get two of this sets!

Is it too late already?
Too lazy to read all 21 pages ;P
Title: 104 US ANSI Double shot replacements for Filco Order
Post by: Megaweapon on Thu, 14 October 2010, 12:47:52
Quote from: itlnstln;233788
I'd be in for some double-shot, blank caps.  Preferably black.


What benefit does one derive from blank double-shot keycaps?
Title: 104 US ANSI Double shot replacements for Filco Order
Post by: WhiteRice on Thu, 14 October 2010, 12:53:15
Hell I'll sell blank double shots. It's like the emperor's new clothing...
Title: 104 US ANSI Double shot replacements for Filco Order
Post by: JBert on Thu, 14 October 2010, 13:03:24
I'm in for one set + 1 International Booster Pack if still available.
Title: 104 US ANSI Double shot replacements for Filco Order
Post by: Kaishi on Thu, 14 October 2010, 13:56:06
For a second round, I'm thinking of getting creative with the fonts and colors.  Not so much as to be gaudy but enough to break the keyboard into segments.  That or maybe using a pattern to make an image across the whole keyboard.  Pointless, but interesting.
Title: 104 US ANSI Double shot replacements for Filco Order
Post by: judicata on Thu, 14 October 2010, 14:12:27
Thanks to my friend (fwiffo) for leading me down a rabbit hole... I'm in for 1 set.
Title: 104 US ANSI Double shot replacements for Filco Order
Post by: itlnstln on Thu, 14 October 2010, 14:27:05
Quote from: Megaweapon;233805
What benefit does one derive from blank double-shot keycaps?


You laugh.  Deck sells/sold them.



Of course, I was joking.  I was trying to see if I could get an OCNer to go ape-**** over the idea.  Thanks for ruining it.
Title: 104 US ANSI Double shot replacements for Filco Order
Post by: Fwiffo on Thu, 14 October 2010, 14:58:05
Quote from: judicata;233832
Thanks to my friend (fwiffo) for leading me down a rabbit hole... I'm in for 1 set.

I need to start charging commission. Has anyone talked to Brian to find out how much money I've made him?
Title: 104 US ANSI Double shot replacements for Filco Order
Post by: WhiteRice on Thu, 14 October 2010, 15:10:18
Hey guys, if you want a set, and you have not gotten an order form. Please pm me instead of posting in the thread. I'm working hard to keep up and I don't want to miss anybody.

These are the people I have not heard from yet. If I did not send you and order form please let me know and I will get one to you.

Danno
ericrice
ethanb
SmallWalrus
squarebox
Tr0j4nM4x1mus
Zen
Title: 104 US ANSI Double shot replacements for Filco Order
Post by: muchadoaboutnothing on Thu, 14 October 2010, 15:46:43
Quote from: Fwiffo;233853
I need to start charging commission. Has anyone talked to Brian to find out how much money I've made him?


I've made Brian a ****load of money.

IIRC he said a commission program would come sometime between now and HL2 Episode 3.
Title: 104 US ANSI Double shot replacements for Filco Order
Post by: WhiteRice on Thu, 14 October 2010, 15:53:01
xD

too bad we can't use Duke Nukem Forever for that reference anymore.
Title: 104 US ANSI Double shot replacements for Filco Order
Post by: Kaishi on Thu, 14 October 2010, 15:55:59
I got the test keys I ordered from Signature today.  Inside the package was a business card for Melissa, the nice lady who has been handling all our requests.

I'm pretty impressed with the feel of the keys.  They're a bit shorter than the stock Filco / Rosewill keys, and they sound a little more... low-pitched.  I rather like it :biggrin:
Title: 104 US ANSI Double shot replacements for Filco Order
Post by: Fwiffo on Thu, 14 October 2010, 15:56:14
Quote from: muchadoaboutnothing;233872
I've made Brian a ****load of money.

Heh, the Fruit Dealer keyboard thread on teamliquid only has 43,000 views. Maybe I need to pump it a little more.
Title: 104 US ANSI Double shot replacements for Filco Order
Post by: itlnstln on Thu, 14 October 2010, 16:11:34
Quote from: WhiteRice;233877
xD

too bad we can't use Duke Nukem Forever for that reference anymore.


It's not out yet...
Title: 104 US ANSI Double shot replacements for Filco Order
Post by: muchadoaboutnothing on Thu, 14 October 2010, 16:15:09
Quote from: itlnstln;233888
It's not out yet...


But it's not vaporware. Gearbox has a demo coming out shortly and a full game in 2011.

Gearbox isn't 3D Realms. They'll push the game out at "good" or better state. Not "OMG NEW TECHNOLOGY LET'S THROW OUT A MOSTLY DONE GAME FOR THE FIFTH TIME".
Title: 104 US ANSI Double shot replacements for Filco Order
Post by: itlnstln on Thu, 14 October 2010, 16:37:23
I know, but I have also heard that enough times in the past.
Title: 104 US ANSI Double shot replacements for Filco Order
Post by: muchadoaboutnothing on Thu, 14 October 2010, 17:29:38
Quote from: itlnstln;233894
I know, but I have also heard that enough times in the past.


AFAIK George Broussard isn't in charge of the IP anymore so basically there isn't an insane guy scrapping the game 6 times anymore at the head.
Title: 104 US ANSI Double shot replacements for Filco Order
Post by: Laggy-gaga on Thu, 14 October 2010, 20:40:18
****
i juz find this one
can i still put an order?
Title: 104 US ANSI Double shot replacements for Filco Order
Post by: nanu on Thu, 14 October 2010, 20:53:53
Quote from: Laggy-gaga;233968
can i still put an order?

PM WhiteRice
Title: 104 US ANSI Double shot replacements for Filco Order
Post by: muchadoaboutnothing on Thu, 14 October 2010, 21:04:19
(http://imgur.com/w4m5W.jpg)
Title: 104 US ANSI Double shot replacements for Filco Order
Post by: Laggy-gaga on Thu, 14 October 2010, 21:09:33
wow
lucky me.
Title: 104 US ANSI Double shot replacements for Filco Order
Post by: muchadoaboutnothing on Thu, 14 October 2010, 21:21:10
I hope anyone paying via credit/debit (not bank or PayPal balance) on Paypal is nice enough to absorb the dollar or so in fees for WhiteRice. I did, in any event.
Title: 104 US ANSI Double shot replacements for Filco Order
Post by: squarebox on Thu, 14 October 2010, 21:41:09
Quote from: muchadoaboutnothing;233985
I hope anyone paying via credit/debit (not bank or PayPal balance) on Paypal is nice enough to absorb the dollar or so in fees for WhiteRice. I did, in any event.


Yup, I absorbed it too for WhiteRice's effort to organise this order.
Title: 104 US ANSI Double shot replacements for Filco Order
Post by: WhiteRice on Thu, 14 October 2010, 21:52:09
You guys are great, I will be responding to your pms and update the thread as soon as I finish the invoices.
Title: 104 US ANSI Double shot replacements for Filco Order
Post by: isp on Thu, 14 October 2010, 22:00:26
Payment sent.  Thanks for your work so far too.
Title: 104 US ANSI Double shot replacements for Filco Order
Post by: WhiteRice on Thu, 14 October 2010, 22:26:59
Ok guys,

All the invoices are out!

I have updated the buyers list! Check to make sure your name is there!

I will be going through my pms now.

Thanks again for your gracious remarks!
Title: 104 US ANSI Double shot replacements for Filco Order
Post by: Kaishi on Thu, 14 October 2010, 22:45:14
Payment sent!  Thanks, WhiteRice
Title: 104 US ANSI Double shot replacements for Filco Order
Post by: WhiteRice on Thu, 14 October 2010, 23:15:27
Product      Qty   Price   Totals

Priority Mail Small Flat Rate Box
Format: Pack of 25
5-3/8” x 8-5/8” x 1-5/8”
Item No: O-SMALL-FRB
Usually arrives within 7 to 10 business days
2
$0.00    $0.00
 
Customs (2976)
Item No: FORM 2976
Usually arrives within 7 to 10 business days
20
$0.00    $0.00
 
Priority Mail Box O-BOX4
Format: Pack of 10
7" x 7" x 6"
Item No: O-BOX4X
Usually arrives within 7 to 10 business days
1
$0.00    $0.00


lol my mail carrier is going to be pissed
Title: 104 US ANSI Double shot replacements for Filco Order
Post by: muchadoaboutnothing on Thu, 14 October 2010, 23:28:27
Quote from: WhiteRice;234033

lol my mail carrier is going to be pissed

If he gets pissed as a result of doing his job he picked the wrong job.

(http://imgur.com/Jrxz3.jpg)
Title: 104 US ANSI Double shot replacements for Filco Order
Post by: WhiteRice on Thu, 14 October 2010, 23:36:49
lol I noticed you changed the photo.

touche sir
Title: 104 US ANSI Double shot replacements for Filco Order
Post by: wap32 on Fri, 15 October 2010, 01:48:24
Payment sent.
Title: 104 US ANSI Double shot replacements for Filco Order
Post by: Lanx on Fri, 15 October 2010, 03:21:50
payment sent.
Title: 104 US ANSI Double shot replacements for Filco Order
Post by: thcyash on Fri, 15 October 2010, 03:26:27
The "send as gift" option is not available in germany ( just an information for german fellows) ... so i╢ve sent you a little more bucks that should absorb the fees ( let me know, if my calculations were wrong)
Title: 104 US ANSI Double shot replacements for Filco Order
Post by: nanu on Fri, 15 October 2010, 04:55:16
Payment sent.
Title: 104 US ANSI Double shot replacements for Filco Order
Post by: woody on Fri, 15 October 2010, 08:35:29
I might missed this bit - is the diamond key DS or printed?
________
strain index (http://strainindex.com)
Title: 104 US ANSI Double shot replacements for Filco Order
Post by: mrbill on Fri, 15 October 2010, 08:51:51
Payment sent.
Title: 104 US ANSI Double shot replacements for Filco Order
Post by: WhiteRice on Fri, 15 October 2010, 11:22:08
Quote from: woody;234165
I might missed this bit - is the diamond key DS or printed?
Every key is DS. :D


Hey guys, I'm getting a lot of  payments which it great. I will be updating the thread tonight after work!
Title: 104 US ANSI Double shot replacements for Filco Order
Post by: AvroArrow on Fri, 15 October 2010, 11:30:52
payment sent.
Title: 104 US ANSI Double shot replacements for Filco Order
Post by: rantenki on Fri, 15 October 2010, 11:58:24
Payment is sent. :)
Title: I would like to order too, but ...
Post by: 7bit on Fri, 15 October 2010, 13:30:45
... how do I pay from europe?
Title: 104 US ANSI Double shot replacements for Filco Order
Post by: WhiteRice on Fri, 15 October 2010, 13:37:54
Quote from: 7bit;234287
... how do I pay from europe?
Paypal, I will pm you an order form.
Title: 104 US ANSI Double shot replacements for Filco Order
Post by: sixty on Fri, 15 October 2010, 14:17:13
Payment sent. Since PayPal Europe offers no gift option due to reasons in their TOS, I sent $3 on top. I hope this covers your fees for receiving the payment.
Title: 104 US ANSI Double shot replacements for Filco Order
Post by: MissileMike on Fri, 15 October 2010, 14:50:00
Hey I am not on the paid list yet, despite paying.  What kind of operation are you running here!? :)
EDIT: oops, I need to read.  Whiterice is updating tonight.
Title: 104 US ANSI Double shot replacements for Filco Order
Post by: WhiteRice on Fri, 15 October 2010, 14:51:55
Quote from: MissileMike;234322
Hey I am not on the paid list yet, despite paying.  What kind of operation are you running here!? :)
EDIT: oops, I need to read.  Whiterice is updating tonight.
lol who do you think you are? muchadoaboutnothing? lol
Title: 104 US ANSI Double shot replacements for Filco Order
Post by: muchadoaboutnothing on Fri, 15 October 2010, 14:56:18
Quote from: WhiteRice;234326
lol who do you think you are? muchadoaboutnothing? lol

What is THAT supposed to mean?

:juggle:

Does it refer to my habit of putting EDIT? I put that so it's easier for someone to tell what I edited in without going to the "last edited" prompt, picking the versions they want to see the difference between, etc.
Title: 104 US ANSI Double shot replacements for Filco Order
Post by: WhiteRice on Fri, 15 October 2010, 15:06:54
Quote from: muchadoaboutnothing;234327
What is THAT supposed to mean?

:juggle:

Does it refer to my habit of putting EDIT? I put that so it's easier for someone to tell what I edited in without going to the "last edited" prompt, picking the versions they want to see the difference between, etc.
lol it means that you like to crack the whip.
Title: 104 US ANSI Double shot replacements for Filco Order
Post by: MissileMike on Fri, 15 October 2010, 15:10:10
You got me totally wrong, man....

Now send me my keys.
Title: 104 US ANSI Double shot replacements for Filco Order
Post by: muchadoaboutnothing on Fri, 15 October 2010, 15:13:38
Why haven't my keys shipped yet?

I'm going to call Signature Plastics and ramble inanely.
Title: Ok, I've set up a paypal account
Post by: 7bit on Fri, 15 October 2010, 15:17:12
Quote from: WhiteRice;234289
Paypal, I will pm you an order form.


Some geekhackers from Germany said there is no 'gift option'. Has it something to do with avoiding customs fees?

If not, how is that handled?

ps: Sorry for these stupid questions.
Title: 104 US ANSI Double shot replacements for Filco Order
Post by: muchadoaboutnothing on Fri, 15 October 2010, 15:26:11
Quote from: 7bit;234337
Some geekhackers from Germany said there is no 'gift option'. Has it something to do with avoiding customs fees?

If not, how is that handled?

ps: Sorry for these stupid questions.

Paypal gives the option for the sender to pay the PayPal fees if it is a gift funded by debit/credit; if funded by bank account or PayPal balance, gift transactions have no fees whatsover.

If the gift option isn't available, the recipient bears the cost of fees.

As WhiteRice is doing this pretty much at cost, any fees would stack up quickly.

My fees on $104 were ~$4. It may be different if you are paying in an alternate currency.

You can Calculate this out. (http://www.rolbe.com/paypal.htm)

For instance, one set of keycaps ($49) with an international booster ($10) and international shipping ($14) is $73.

If paid from Germany -> USA in DOLLARS, you would send $76.27 to get $73 across the border.

The advanced calculator indicates a Germany (EURO) to US (USD) payment sent to a personal account with a low sales volume would require the German sender to send €54.09 to get $73 USD to WhiteRice.

(http://imgur.com/mpauT.png)

(http://imgur.com/blI5A.png)
Title: Re: paypal fees
Post by: 7bit on Fri, 15 October 2010, 15:34:51
Quote from: muchadoaboutnothing;234349
...

You can Calculate this out. (http://www.rolbe.com/paypal.htm)
...


Thank you for the link!
Title: 104 US ANSI Double shot replacements for Filco Order
Post by: Kaishi on Fri, 15 October 2010, 15:44:06
I just wanted to confirm a fact for  anyone else in the same boat:

I own a Rosewill RK-9000, and I received Filco replacement keys from EliteKeyboards.com to test on it.  They work perfectly.  Same exact height and contour.  Anyone else with this keyboard should be happy to note that these custom keys that WhiteRice has arranged should work 100% perfectly as well.
Title: 104 US ANSI Double shot replacements for Filco Order
Post by: muchadoaboutnothing on Fri, 15 October 2010, 15:44:32
Quote from: 7bit;234361
Thank you for the link!

No problem. Wish it was easier. Very easy with Gift payment in the US.

Also, for privacy reasons, I edited WhiteRice's name/email to a Hollywood psuedonym (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alan_Smithee) with Firebug before screenshotting. That is not actually Whiterice's email below, do not send it money.

As you can see, I sent $104, but was billed $107.32 (the fees). That means WhiteRice didn't have to absorb them.

(http://imgur.com/MqWIV.png)
Title: 104 US ANSI Double shot replacements for Filco Order
Post by: muchadoaboutnothing on Fri, 15 October 2010, 16:00:11
Quote from: Kaishi;234370
I just wanted to confirm a fact for  anyone else in the same boat:

I own a Rosewill RK-9000, and I received Filco replacement keys from EliteKeyboards.com to test on it.  They work perfectly.  Same exact height and contour.  Anyone else with this keyboard should be happy to note that these custom keys that WhiteRice has arranged should work 100% perfectly as well.


Appreciated. I neglected to check and just assumed they would fit. Thankfully, my assumption was right.

Still... :tsk:
Title: 104 US ANSI Double shot replacements for Filco Order
Post by: Daniel Beaver on Fri, 15 October 2010, 16:24:21
Excited ^^

Oh no, several week wait! Rawr, outrage! Civil uprising!
Title: 104 US ANSI Double shot replacements for Filco Order
Post by: muchadoaboutnothing on Fri, 15 October 2010, 16:59:39
Quote from: Daniel Beaver;234396
Excited ^^

Oh no, several week wait! Rawr, outrage! Civil uprising!


I'll visit WhiteRice and heckle him personally, I have his address.

(He's after me on the Topre keychain world trip, so this is actually true since I need to mail it to him - I have it. He needn't fear unwanted guests though; I'm too apathetic.)
Title: 104 US ANSI Double shot replacements for Filco Order
Post by: JBert on Fri, 15 October 2010, 17:16:55
Payment sent.

Hope I got the gift thing right, but at least PayPal seems to have asked me to pay the fee.
Title: 104 US ANSI Double shot replacements for Filco Order
Post by: WhiteRice on Fri, 15 October 2010, 19:23:53
Thread Updated
Title: 104 US ANSI Double shot replacements for Filco Order
Post by: muchadoaboutnothing on Fri, 15 October 2010, 19:50:56
Quote from: WhiteRice;230956
74% of Payments Received

...

Collect 75% of pre-order payments
Place Order w/ Signature Plastics
Manufacturing
Shipment to me
Distribution to membership

(http://imgur.com/mNkfL.jpg)
Title: 104 US ANSI Double shot replacements for Filco Order
Post by: WhiteRice on Fri, 15 October 2010, 20:06:46
I need more time to pack and get my plane tickets. :3
Title: 104 US ANSI Double shot replacements for Filco Order
Post by: muchadoaboutnothing on Fri, 15 October 2010, 20:17:45
Quote from: WhiteRice;234472
I need more time to pack and get my plane tickets. :3

Welp. Time for a road trip to make sure that WhiteRice follows through. I can make it in a couple hours.

(http://imgur.com/cYWsj.jpg)

Ya know, because $3000 (assuming a few people do orders of more than $49 + $5 shipping) is so much money.
Title: 104 US ANSI Double shot replacements for Filco Order
Post by: WhiteRice on Sat, 16 October 2010, 06:59:29
I answered all pms and I'm extending the order deadline to Sunday. Signature won't be open till Monday so I figured why not :)

We have reached 78% of payments which means I will be ordering next week! Signature estimates a two week production time!
Title: 104 US ANSI Double shot replacements for Filco Order
Post by: muchadoaboutnothing on Sat, 16 October 2010, 09:07:44
I saved the day, guys. I visited WhiteRice & explained that something bad might happen to his new Ducky if he didn't update the thread and cancel his overseas plans.

The above may be a work of fiction.
Title: 104 US ANSI Double shot replacements for Filco Order
Post by: muchadoaboutnothing on Sat, 16 October 2010, 09:13:11
Quote from: ripster;234671
You guys make a cute couple.  Have you thought of a state where you could get married?

Yeah, we're already in New Hampshire.

Just kidding, I stole this picture from the internet (http://www.mattiouz.com/images/road_trip.jpg).
Title: 104 US ANSI Double shot replacements for Filco Order
Post by: WhiteRice on Sat, 16 October 2010, 09:18:49
Quote from: muchadoaboutnothing;234674
Yeah, we're already in New Hampshire.

Just kidding, I stole this picture from the internet (http://www.mattiouz.com/images/road_trip.jpg).
It's bromantic...
Title: 104 US ANSI Double shot replacements for Filco Order
Post by: muchadoaboutnothing on Sat, 16 October 2010, 09:24:18
Quote from: WhiteRice;234679
It's bromantic...


No, THIS is bromantic.

(http://imgur.com/X56KQ.jpg)
Title: 104 US ANSI Double shot replacements for Filco Order
Post by: muchadoaboutnothing on Sat, 16 October 2010, 09:40:17
Quote from: ripster;234691
Oh just great MuchAdo.

NOW everytime I see my Double Shot Blue Hand key I'm gonna think of Crystal Dude.

(http://imgur.com/YGy06.jpg)
Title: 104 US ANSI Double shot replacements for Filco Order
Post by: WhiteRice on Sat, 16 October 2010, 09:40:56
Ok due to some last minute orders we're back to 71% paid, get those payments in guys!

Vegas isn't cheap ya know... er I mean...
Title: 104 US ANSI Double shot replacements for Filco Order
Post by: muchadoaboutnothing on Sat, 16 October 2010, 09:42:26
Quote from: WhiteRice;234695
Vegas isn't cheap ya know... er I mean...


(http://imgur.com/YGC7i.png)
Title: 104 US ANSI Double shot replacements for Filco Order
Post by: Megaweapon on Sat, 16 October 2010, 09:48:56
Quote from: ripster;234691
NOW everytime I see my Double Shot Blue Hand key I'm gonna think of Crystal Dude.


I don't think the blue hand key is included in our set...
Title: 104 US ANSI Double shot replacements for Filco Order
Post by: WhiteRice on Sat, 16 October 2010, 09:51:25
Quote from: Megaweapon;234701
I don't think the blue hand key is included in our set...
I think that ripster meant he already has one. If not yes the blue hand is not part of this set.

Is there any significance to the blue hand?
Title: 104 US ANSI Double shot replacements for Filco Order
Post by: muchadoaboutnothing on Sat, 16 October 2010, 09:52:44
Quote from: WhiteRice;234702
Is there any significance to the blue hand?

It reminds ripster to recharge his power crystal with a bro and gives him confidence; otherwise, no.
Title: 104 US ANSI Double shot replacements for Filco Order
Post by: WhiteRice on Sat, 16 October 2010, 09:53:39
I always thought that the blue color was associated with another body part...
Title: 104 US ANSI Double shot replacements for Filco Order
Post by: pipedream on Sat, 16 October 2010, 09:59:35
Quote from: WhiteRice;230956

Set Details:

Custom Geek Hack Key Set:
1 x 104 US ANSI double shot keyset
1 x Orange Geek hack Key w/ white text
1 x 1.75■ Alternate Caps lock key w/ "Control"
1 x 1.75■ Alternate Stepped Caps lock Key
1 x Alternate Orange WASD cluster (4 key set)
2 x 1.25■ Diamond keys
1 x Surprise Item


Omigosh I love surprises!
Title: 104 US ANSI Double shot replacements for Filco Order
Post by: muchadoaboutnothing on Sat, 16 October 2010, 15:50:03
Quote from: WhiteRice;234704
I always thought that the blue color was associated with another body part...


How do you think that body part gets blue?
Title: 104 US ANSI Double shot replacements for Filco Order
Post by: negidaku on Sat, 16 October 2010, 16:01:30
Payment sent. Now the waiting begins!
Title: 104 US ANSI Double shot replacements for Filco Order
Post by: WhiteRice on Sat, 16 October 2010, 16:04:06
Quote from: muchadoaboutnothing;234837
How do you think that body part gets blue?
Women who don't put out...
Title: 104 US ANSI Double shot replacements for Filco Order
Post by: muchadoaboutnothing on Sat, 16 October 2010, 16:07:45
Quote from: WhiteRice;234848
Women who don't put out...


(http://imgur.com/D175S.jpg)
Title: 104 US ANSI Double shot replacements for Filco Order
Post by: WhiteRice on Sat, 16 October 2010, 16:10:29
(http://www.mentalfloss.com/wp-content/uploads/2007/04/do_not_want_dog.jpg)
Title: 104 US ANSI Double shot replacements for Filco Order
Post by: muchadoaboutnothing on Sat, 16 October 2010, 19:10:51
(http://imgur.com/0zmkl.jpg)
Title: 104 US ANSI Double shot replacements for Filco Order
Post by: isp on Sat, 16 October 2010, 19:24:58
I've heard that the glow of the crystal is truly something to behold.

(http://dl.dropbox.com/u/5349875/Whoa100.gif)
Title: 104 US ANSI Double shot replacements for Filco Order
Post by: TexasFlood on Sat, 16 October 2010, 19:51:52
The li'll guy's goin' nucular!!!
(http://lolpresident.com/wp-content/uploads/2007/05/donotwant.PNG)
Title: 104 US ANSI Double shot replacements for Filco Order
Post by: TexasFlood on Sat, 16 October 2010, 19:54:39
muchadoaboutnothing wants!!!
(http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_G43OxOKLrgA/SBCMl7cBqwI/AAAAAAAAABE/YUaqq9MmbEQ/s320/Blazing+Saddles.jpg)
Title: 104 US ANSI Double shot replacements for Filco Order
Post by: muchadoaboutnothing on Sat, 16 October 2010, 19:57:50
Quote from: TexasFlood;234964
muchadoaboutnothing wants!!!
Show Image
(http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_G43OxOKLrgA/SBCMl7cBqwI/AAAAAAAAABE/YUaqq9MmbEQ/s320/Blazing+Saddles.jpg)


I approve of this message.
Title: 104 US ANSI Double shot replacements for Filco Order
Post by: sixty on Sat, 16 October 2010, 21:37:37
My bet is the surprise item will be a geekhack branded keycap puller (http://keycapsdirect.com/images/faq/KeycapPullerLG.jpg).
If not, it should have been that!
Title: 104 US ANSI Double shot replacements for Filco Order
Post by: WhiteRice on Sat, 16 October 2010, 21:50:53
You should be so lucky, I got some orange spray paint and a bunch paper clips.
Title: 104 US ANSI Double shot replacements for Filco Order
Post by: muchadoaboutnothing on Sat, 16 October 2010, 22:05:57
Quote from: WhiteRice;235011
You should be so lucky, I got some orange spray paint and a bunch paper clips.


Better be Krylon.
Title: 104 US ANSI Double shot replacements for Filco Order
Post by: WhiteRice on Sat, 16 October 2010, 22:08:26
(https://www.northernsafety.com/photos/product/149886/2/400.jpg)
Title: 104 US ANSI Double shot replacements for Filco Order
Post by: muchadoaboutnothing on Sat, 16 October 2010, 22:11:04
(http://imgur.com/Ex1Dg.jpg)
Title: 104 US ANSI Double shot replacements for Filco Order
Post by: muchadoaboutnothing on Sun, 17 October 2010, 16:30:35
Welp, order deadline is almost here. Hope no one misses out.

The looming deadline makes it feel like you're waiting for the moon in Majora's Mask.

(http://imgur.com/ILzYS.jpg)
Title: 104 US ANSI Double shot replacements for Filco Order
Post by: WhiteRice on Sun, 17 October 2010, 16:37:24
I'll be contacting the following tonight. There is no deadline for payment yet, but the more I get the less I have to pay out of pocket.


Unpaid:

Zen
didjamatic(Vacation)
Rally Man
In Stereo!
platon
Title: 104 US ANSI Double shot replacements for Filco Order
Post by: runeazn on Sun, 17 October 2010, 17:13:05
So if i am right one set is 49$ O_O
I can get a filco zero tenkeyless for ё40


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Title: 104 US ANSI Double shot replacements for Filco Order
Post by: muchadoaboutnothing on Sun, 17 October 2010, 18:21:36
Quote from: runeazn;235260
So if i am right one set is 49$ O_O
I can get a filco zero tenkeyless for ё40

ё60.41 with VAT shipped to the Netherlands (ё40 for the keyboard + ё11.41 for the cheapest shipping to NL + ё9.00 VAT @ 17.5%. [strike]And aren't there customs charges on top of that?[/strike] Apparently not among EU member states as this is the purpose of VAT), which is $96.59 in US dollars for a board with transposition errors (ripster will tell us how he doesn't have them), versus $49 for a set of double shot keys in a small custom run.

Apples and oranges.

To be fair, it's $72 shipped for the keycaps ($49 + $9 for international booster + $14 international shipping) to the Netherlands, but seriously - a faulty simplified ALPS board versus a limited run set of well made keycaps are two very different things.

Also, the Filco Zero Tenkeyless was discontinued (and is listed as such by Elitekeyboards' item page (http://elitekeyboards.com/products.php?sub=filco_keyboards,majestouch_87key&pid=fkbn87zeb)). It's a clearance item. That's not to say it may not be a decent deal, but it's hardly a regular price.

Quote from: itlnstln;160959
You're probably going to have to buy one from another member.  There was an aspect to the logic in the Filco Zeros that was unacceptable to many people, so the product was discontinued.  According to Diatec, they had to implement a slower scan rate to properly debounce the Fukka switches; therefore, if you type very quickly, you could run into some transposition errors.  Again, this would only occur if you could something like 150WPM, or on short bursts of typing like "the" for a lot of people.  The first person to notice it couldn't type the work "note" without it sending "ntoe."  YMMV, though.
Title: 104 US ANSI Double shot replacements for Filco Order
Post by: keyboardlover on Sun, 17 October 2010, 19:57:36
Not sure if this was answered earlier in the thread, but are these keycaps compatible with other cherry boards, or only Filcos?
Title: 104 US ANSI Double shot replacements for Filco Order
Post by: Parak on Sun, 17 October 2010, 21:48:09
I think the ansi versions of the g80-8200 boards might be compatible.
Title: 104 US ANSI Double shot replacements for Filco Order
Post by: sixty on Sun, 17 October 2010, 22:27:59
Quote from: muchadoaboutnothing
Also, the Filco Zero Tenkeyless was discontinued (and is listed as such by Elitekeyboards' item page (http://elitekeyboards.com/products.php?sub=filco_keyboards,majestouch_87key&pid=fkbn87zeb)). It's a clearance item. That's not to say it may not be a decent deal, but it's hardly a regular price.

Actually to be fair the Filco Zero was only cleared from EliteKeyboards, probably due to a certain member and their posts on this board. Other retailers still carry it. The XM (older model, non Fukkas) version also is not faulty at all and has no controller issues.

But yes the bottom line is that these keycaps are something special and a cool novelty item. If you do not think its worth it, simply don't buy a set. Easy as that.

Regarding the spacebar.. if our version only is made to fit on a Filco, it will not fit on a Cherry board such as the G80-3000/1000/1800 series, since those have the stems in a different position. Chance is that the guys from OTD already thought of this and designed the spacebar to work on both boards. So if SP uses the same molds for our order that they used for their order, it might fit. We will have to wait and see.
Title: 104 US ANSI Double shot replacements for Filco Order
Post by: muchadoaboutnothing on Sun, 17 October 2010, 23:04:14
Quote from: sixty;235348
Actually to be fair the Filco Zero was only cleared from EliteKeyboards, probably due to a certain member and their posts on this board. Other retailers still carry it. The XM (older model, non Fukkas) version also is not faulty at all and has no controller issues.

Ah, makes sense.
Title: 104 US ANSI Double shot replacements for Filco Order
Post by: WhiteRice on Sun, 17 October 2010, 23:04:37
That's it folks! We have 60 buyers in total! I'll be in touch with Signature this week about getting production started and I'll keep you informed via updates in the main post.
Title: 104 US ANSI Double shot replacements for Filco Order
Post by: cyclonechuah on Sun, 17 October 2010, 23:45:52
am i an hour too late? i wanted to join as well
Title: 104 US ANSI Double shot replacements for Filco Order
Post by: WhiteRice on Sun, 17 October 2010, 23:49:24
I'm going to bed, but I sent you an order form. Please reply promptly.
Title: 104 US ANSI Double shot replacements for Filco Order
Post by: phate408 on Mon, 18 October 2010, 05:07:04
I'm a bit late too, but if anyone bails, I would love a chance to get in on this. I've decided on either a Das or a Filco and the only thing I don't like about them is that they don't have doubleshot keys like a Deck. So this would be awesome :P
Title: 104 US ANSI Double shot replacements for Filco Order
Post by: woody on Mon, 18 October 2010, 06:21:22
I could possibly give my set to a late-comer if he wants it that bad ... eventually.
________
mflb (http://www.vaporshop.com/mflb-vaporizer.html)
Title: 104 US ANSI Double shot replacements for Filco Order
Post by: keyboardlover on Mon, 18 October 2010, 08:09:57
Quote from: woody;235423
I could possibly give my set to a late-comer if he wants it that bad ... eventually.

Same with me. Pm me if interested.
Title: 104 US ANSI Double shot replacements for Filco Order
Post by: muchadoaboutnothing on Mon, 18 October 2010, 08:19:18
We'll see. I doubt Whiterice has finished the order yet. Signature Plastics doesn't even open for another hour and forty one minutes.
Title: 104 US ANSI Double shot replacements for Filco Order
Post by: Kaishi on Mon, 18 October 2010, 10:19:30
I'm so excited about this! Thanks to WhiteRice for all the hard work on the project!
Title: 104 US ANSI Double shot replacements for Filco Order
Post by: WhiteRice on Mon, 18 October 2010, 10:24:21
Email went out, sorry if you missed the boat. Depending on the how things go you maybe able to get a set from someone else or me.
Title: 104 US ANSI Double shot replacements for Filco Order
Post by: muchadoaboutnothing on Mon, 18 October 2010, 10:32:53
It's nice to see that this order went through. Can't wait for the keycaps.

Signature Plastics said it was going to be a couple weeks to get them made, right? So another week for shipping to you and then up to a week for shipping from you to us, at least domestically? (I'm assuming you'll use priority mail $4.90 flat rate boxes in the states, which is 2-3 days- but you will probably need a day to sort everything out).

Hope you stocked up on toner for the labels... with Priority Mail, you don't get free delivery confirmation on the package (and you know how neurotic people are about tracking, myself included) unless you buy the label online. You can buy it, but it's on top of the $4.90 if you get it at your post office (vs. $4.80 for both online).
Title: 104 US ANSI Double shot replacements for Filco Order
Post by: hoggy on Mon, 18 October 2010, 11:40:34
Quote from: WhiteRice;235492
Email went out, sorry if you missed the boat. Depending on the how things go you maybe able to get a set from someone else or me.


Thanks for all this - looking forward to pimping my (nearly) otaku filco.
Title: 104 US ANSI Double shot replacements for Filco Order
Post by: WhiteRice on Mon, 18 October 2010, 12:41:33
I am hoping to be able to process all the shipping online. I have a good scale, and someone was kind enough to provide a good guide on customs forms. I will do my best to get everything done quickly, but I will probably need a weekend to sort everything out once the keycaps arrive.

I will keep everyone updated :)
Title: 104 US ANSI Double shot replacements for Filco Order
Post by: muchadoaboutnothing on Mon, 18 October 2010, 12:47:50
Quote from: WhiteRice;235525
I am hoping to be able to process all the shipping online. I have a good scale, and someone was kind enough to provide a good guide on customs forms. I will do my best to get everything done quickly, but I will probably need a weekend to sort everything out once the keycaps arrive.

I will keep everyone updated :)

Priority mail international packages under $400 require a Form 2976
First class packages under 16 ounces do not require a customs form; otherwise, under $400 requires a 2976.

You can do them online with the same login you use to make the labels (http://webapps.usps.com/customsforms/#).

Shouldn't be too bad since it fills out the rest for you when you do it.

(http://imgur.com/b7jEK.jpg)

At a risk of ruffling feathers, why don't you just mail the domestic packages first, then take care of the fun stuff with the international packages?
Title: 104 US ANSI Double shot replacements for Filco Order
Post by: mike on Mon, 18 October 2010, 12:59:03
Quote from: muchadoaboutnothing;235530

At a risk of ruffling feathers, why don't you just mail the domestic packages first, then take care of the fun stuff with the international packages?


As one of the international buyers, seems sensible to me.
Title: 104 US ANSI Double shot replacements for Filco Order
Post by: WhiteRice on Mon, 18 October 2010, 13:06:40
Does anyone know of any scripts or programs that will pull from a spreadsheet and fill in the forms automatically?

Before I write one it would be nice if there was already something out there that could save me some time.

Otherwise I have like 2-3 weeks to write it and test it. Yea once I get that setup it should be a breeze to get the forms done. "Collating" and packing will probably take more time.
Title: 104 US ANSI Double shot replacements for Filco Order
Post by: wap32 on Mon, 18 October 2010, 13:06:53
Quote from: muchadoaboutnothing;235530
At a risk of ruffling feathers, why don't you just mail the domestic packages first, then take care of the fun stuff with the international packages?


So all this talk about shipping was really just a ploy to convince WhiteRice to ship your keys first!

You treacherous being!
Title: 104 US ANSI Double shot replacements for Filco Order
Post by: muchadoaboutnothing on Mon, 18 October 2010, 13:10:00
Eh, I withdraw my suggestion. If you can get Signature Plastics to provide you an approximate weight per set you can pretty accurately guess what the weight is going to be (and as long as it's reasonably close they really don't care; you can be off by a few ounces, even if you're not using a flat rate service for the multiple set international buyers). Once you print it you just have to put your autograph on it and paste it on the outside.

That would allow you to get the customs forms done before everything arrived which would make it less hectic once you got them..

Actually, with a flat rate service (US is $4.80, international is $13.somethingcents) you could even get the labels done too. All you'd have to do is drop the keycaps in the boxes and seal.

Quote from: wap32;235541
So all this talk about shipping was really just a ploy to convince WhiteRice to ship your keys first!

You treacherous being!

Haha, it was a suggestion to expedite all international shipments.

WhiteRice lives ~2 hours from me. I should get them the day after he ships them anyways.
Title: 104 US ANSI Double shot replacements for Filco Order
Post by: sealcouch on Mon, 18 October 2010, 13:22:22
Will these be shipped out by the end of November? Because I totally bought these keys for a keyboard I plan on buying next month. -.-;
Title: 104 US ANSI Double shot replacements for Filco Order
Post by: muchadoaboutnothing on Mon, 18 October 2010, 13:23:02
Quote from: ripster;235544
When I mailed a Industrial Model M to WebWit it was from Aunty Rippy, had flower stickers on the box, and a "Dear Nephew Study Hard" note in it.

Marked the green form "Gift" and it worked.


I doubt it'll work when it gets overseas. There are a couple of german buyers for instance.

Might be worth a shot though. Just learn some German/whatever language necessary and write it on the box. Ol' Uncle WhtieRice sending everyone presents!
Title: 104 US ANSI Double shot replacements for Filco Order
Post by: WhiteRice on Mon, 18 October 2010, 13:55:08
Well I'm paying today. Two weeks for production, 3-5 days for freight to me, and then a few days to get it to you guys?

Let's estimate on your doorstep 15th of November.
Title: 104 US ANSI Double shot replacements for Filco Order
Post by: WhiteRice on Mon, 18 October 2010, 13:55:50
Quote from: muchadoaboutnothing;235550
I doubt it'll work when it gets overseas. There are a couple of german buyers for instance.

Might be worth a shot though. Just learn some German/whatever language necessary and write it on the box. Ol' Uncle WhtieRice sending everyone presents!

My last name is Wang, Ol' Uncle Wang.
Title: 104 US ANSI Double shot replacements for Filco Order
Post by: muchadoaboutnothing on Mon, 18 October 2010, 14:01:19
Let's just hope your UPS guy is better than mine with expensive packages.

[noparse][coolstorybro][/noparse]

Well, to be fair, my regular driver is awesome. It's when you get the seasonal/substitute drivers that you run into trouble.

A couple of years ago I got a seasonal driver in late November. I get a UPS package unexpectedly on the doorstep. It was around 12 inches long, 4 inches high, 8 wide. "KEEP REFRIGERATED" was on the side.

So I get it and I look at the address label.
Right state.
Wrong town (not close in name)
Wrong Name (not close in name)
For a company (delivered to residence)
Wrong street (name and number weren't close).

So I call the company that shipped it a few times and I can't get a human being. And the recipient wasn't picking up.

The dentist calls me back two hours later (apparently they shut down waiting for this and didn't think to pick up the phone) and thank me for trying to save $3,000 in dental implants, but for liability reasons (even though I never touched the seal) they asked me to throw it out, even if I could drive there- they had already paid for new ones, since they didn't insure the shipment, and they couldn't risk that I had tampered with it (even though I didn't open it).

So I threw out 3 grand in dental implants because UPS screwed up.


Let's hope Signature insures their shipments!
[noparse][/coolstorybro][/noparse]

Quote from: WhiteRice;235565
My last name is Wang, Ol' Uncle Wang.


I knew that from both PayPal and the Topre sinklist, but I didn't know if you wanted to share that with the internet :)
Title: 104 US ANSI Double shot replacements for Filco Order
Post by: mike on Mon, 18 October 2010, 14:36:49
Quote from: muchadoaboutnothing;235550
I doubt it'll work when it gets overseas. There are a couple of german buyers for instance.

Might be worth a shot though. Just learn some German/whatever language necessary and write it on the box. Ol' Uncle WhtieRice sending everyone presents!


It's a bit of a gamble, although shipments to the UK from the Fast East often get through untaxed when marked with "gift" whereas the same is much less likely to work when shipped from the US.

The method of paying for it can range widely too ... I once had a pallet shipped from the US where I had to stump up around ё300 in cash before the driver would unload it, whilst Fedex would sometimes sent an invoice up to a month later ("Why does Fedex want ё1.72 ?").
Title: Don't!
Post by: 7bit on Mon, 18 October 2010, 14:55:47
Quote from: mike;235579
It's a bit of a gamble, although shipments to the UK from the Fast East often get through untaxed when marked with "gift" whereas the same is much less likely to work when shipped from the US.


http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gift
(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/5/53/Skull_and_crossbones.svg/220px-Skull_and_crossbones.svg.png)

I'm afraid they would make chemical experiments with those unfortunate key caps, just to determine which sort of poison they contain.
Title: 104 US ANSI Double shot replacements for Filco Order
Post by: WhiteRice on Mon, 18 October 2010, 16:57:47
Ok it's official, payment complete.
Title: 104 US ANSI Double shot replacements for Filco Order
Post by: TheSoulhunter on Mon, 18 October 2010, 17:06:42
Quote from: WhiteRice;235565
My last name is Wang, Ol' Uncle Wang.

Put "Alles Gute zum Geburtstag du Rotznase - Onkel Wang" on the German packages!
Title: 104 US ANSI Double shot replacements for Filco Order
Post by: muchadoaboutnothing on Mon, 18 October 2010, 17:07:39
Quote from: TheSoulhunter;235644
Put "Alles Gute zum Geburtstag du Rotznase - Onkel Wang" on the German boxes!

Uncle Wang wouldn't send a hosenscheiъer a present unless the USPS shipped beatings.
Title: 104 US ANSI Double shot replacements for Filco Order
Post by: mike on Mon, 18 October 2010, 17:11:33
Quote from: 7bit;235586
http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gift


Doh! And my school tried teaching me German too. Of course if they had tried with words such as "poison" (plus a bit of sex), they might have gotten a little further. How do you keep a teenager's attention ? Sex and violence of course :)
Title: 104 US ANSI Double shot replacements for Filco Order
Post by: muchadoaboutnothing on Mon, 18 October 2010, 19:07:54
So what's the surprise anyways? Is Uncle Wang sending us all power crystals?

(http://imgur.com/YGy06.jpg)
Title: 104 US ANSI Double shot replacements for Filco Order
Post by: muchadoaboutnothing on Mon, 18 October 2010, 19:29:37
Quote from: ripster;235687

Trucker Guy?


(http://imgur.com/l4jBP.jpg)
Title: 104 US ANSI Double shot replacements for Filco Order
Post by: Fwiffo on Mon, 18 October 2010, 19:34:46
I'm hoping for trollface keys, but I'm preparing for goatse keys.
Title: 104 US ANSI Double shot replacements for Filco Order
Post by: muchadoaboutnothing on Mon, 18 October 2010, 19:40:50
(http://imgur.com/RABgU.jpg)

Just a warning, this is relevant to the conversation.
Title: 104 US ANSI Double shot replacements for Filco Order
Post by: Fwiffo on Mon, 18 October 2010, 20:48:45
That's crazy. Kimchee smells a lot worse than that.
Title: 104 US ANSI Double shot replacements for Filco Order
Post by: WhiteRice on Mon, 18 October 2010, 21:41:12
(http://zachwang.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/10/DSCF1516.jpg)
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Title: 104 US ANSI Double shot replacements for Filco Order
Post by: clickclack on Mon, 18 October 2010, 22:06:29
Quote from: ripster;235701
My proudest moment at Geekhack was making ClickClack look up Goatse.
I'm pretty sure I'm at the bottom of his custom key list.


I wish I could forget that.
BTW your not last on my list, you're first on my list to get a turd with a cherry stem.
Title: 104 US ANSI Double shot replacements for Filco Order
Post by: muchadoaboutnothing on Mon, 18 October 2010, 22:33:41
OH U WHITERICE

You're trolling me a little too hard.

Also, Imgur is the best.

[strike]And why do you use Amazon web services for the images on your blog and upload directly to Wordpress for these?[/strike] Must be posterous that uses AWS.
Title: 104 US ANSI Double shot replacements for Filco Order
Post by: Moogle Stiltzkin on Tue, 19 October 2010, 00:47:54
May i ask what are the diamond keys for ?
Title: 104 US ANSI Double shot replacements for Filco Order
Post by: bitmap on Tue, 19 October 2010, 01:23:24
Not everyone uses Windows, so the OS key is a diamond, which works for everyone.
Title: 104 US ANSI Double shot replacements for Filco Order
Post by: Moogle Stiltzkin on Tue, 19 October 2010, 02:42:46
But does the set come with windows key for those that want it ?
Title: 104 US ANSI Double shot replacements for Filco Order
Post by: thcyash on Tue, 19 October 2010, 03:10:04
Quote from: ripster;235731
So has anyone translated the reviews of these gray doubleshots at KBDMania.net?

I hear a lot of comparisons to  Dogs and Kimchee?  Should I be worried? My mom is a little prejudiced about Koreans.   She thinks Kimchee smells like wet baby diapers.

Tell me the links to the reviews and i could translate it ( i am from korean origin).... and yes ... kimchi smells a lil bit harsh and is not recommended on weekdays ( otherwise you could get beat by your colleagues/fellow students/mates :brushteeth: , BUT it is definitely one of the most delicious cuisines in the world ( no doubt about that :wink: :behindsofa:
Title: 104 US ANSI Double shot replacements for Filco Order
Post by: zefrer on Tue, 19 October 2010, 06:37:39
Quote from: Moogle Stiltzkin;235799
But does the set come with windows key for those that want it ?


Yes, the window keys are part of the standard set (mumble mumble microsoft mumble). The diamond keys are part of the extras set.
Title: 104 US ANSI Double shot replacements for Filco Order
Post by: Moogle Stiltzkin on Tue, 19 October 2010, 06:50:58
If only i had the cash to spare sigh :/


zefrer for what its worth, my pc uses win 7 ultimate 64bit, and my 2 QNAP nases use linux :}
Title: 104 US ANSI Double shot replacements for Filco Order
Post by: woody on Tue, 19 October 2010, 07:16:18
What, uncle Wang still posts here?! :crazy:
I thought he's already on the plane to Hawaii ...
________
starcraft II replays (http://screplays.com/replays)
Title: 104 US ANSI Double shot replacements for Filco Order
Post by: Moogle Stiltzkin on Tue, 19 October 2010, 08:17:49
Is it easy to replace the caps, shift, enter and space bar keys ???

My keyboard is a Ducky 9008.
Title: 104 US ANSI Double shot replacements for Filco Order
Post by: muchadoaboutnothing on Tue, 19 October 2010, 08:29:53
Quote from: woody;235842
What, uncle Wang still posts here?! :crazy:
I thought he's already on the plane to Hawaii ...


There was a mix-up with the wire transfer to his account in the Caymans. The vacation will happen, don't worry.
Title: 104 US ANSI Double shot replacements for Filco Order
Post by: muchadoaboutnothing on Tue, 19 October 2010, 09:15:38
I haven't gotten my plane ticket yet. In fact, he forgot to invite me. It's OK, I'm sure he'll come to his senses. I'm packed and ready to go?

Separate rooms? How would I be able to charge my power crystal?
Title: 104 US ANSI Double shot replacements for Filco Order
Post by: WhiteRice on Tue, 19 October 2010, 09:35:38
(http://zachwang.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/10/archerMoney.jpg)
Title: 104 US ANSI Double shot replacements for Filco Order
Post by: muchadoaboutnothing on Tue, 19 October 2010, 09:56:35
Damn, I miss Frisky Dingo.

Archer is pretty awesome though.
Title: 104 US ANSI Double shot replacements for Filco Order
Post by: Moogle Stiltzkin on Tue, 19 October 2010, 10:33:07
Quote
Unpaid:

didjamatic(Vacation)
Rally Man

Payment Pending:

Fwiffo
Megaweapon
crazelee
Rokkor
In Stereo!




Any of you guys going to cancel ? I wouldn't mind taking over your spot for 1 set + international shipping.

Also preferably 2x2 Blank character keys $0.42 each ( to replace my 4 media keys on the Ducky 9008 which has 104 + 4 media keys ). What color is the blanks by the way ?

Is the international shipping 12 or 14 usd ?
Title: 104 US ANSI Double shot replacements for Filco Order
Post by: Lanx on Tue, 19 October 2010, 10:45:40
i like others hope the surprise is a keypuller! don't want to ghetto paperclip make one.
Title: 104 US ANSI Double shot replacements for Filco Order
Post by: Moogle Stiltzkin on Tue, 19 October 2010, 11:08:39
Quote
Regarding the spacebar.. if our version only is made to fit on a Filco, it will not fit on a Cherry board such as the G80-3000/1000/1800 series, since those have the stems in a different position. Chance is that the guys from OTD already thought of this and designed the spacebar to work on both boards. So if SP uses the same molds for our order that they used for their order, it might fit. We will have to wait and see.

I am curious as well. Since the key caps are mostly for Filco, would it fit a ducky any chance ? Cause it's also done by Costar i heard :/

@Lanx

I'll bet it's a keypuller too. Hei cause with that many keys, your gonna need it.
Title: 104 US ANSI Double shot replacements for Filco Order
Post by: aCuria on Tue, 19 October 2010, 12:02:08
Quote from: Moogle Stiltzkin;235949
Any of you guys going to cancel ? I wouldn't mind taking over your spot for 1 set + international shipping.

Also preferably 2x2 Blank character keys $0.42 each ( to replace my 4 media keys on the Ducky 9008 which has 104 + 4 media keys ). What color is the blanks by the way ?

Is the international shipping 12 or 14 usd ?


Are you from singapore? some of us are sharing shipping
Title: 104 US ANSI Double shot replacements for Filco Order
Post by: Moogle Stiltzkin on Tue, 19 October 2010, 12:17:55
No i am from Malaysia.

How exactly are you sharing shipment pricing?

Isn't it 12 or 14 usd each for international shipments ?  How much are you guys paying ?


Walrus canceled his order for this so it's not like he could send it along with my Ducky keyboard to me to save on shipping :/
Title: 104 US ANSI Double shot replacements for Filco Order
Post by: WhiteRice on Tue, 19 October 2010, 12:29:29
I'm shipping them all to one person.
Title: 104 US ANSI Double shot replacements for Filco Order
Post by: squarebox on Tue, 19 October 2010, 12:30:28
Quote from: WhiteRice;230956
FINAL PRICE: $49.00 + Shipping(See details below)
Shipping:
USPS Priority Domestic/International(Includes tracking number)
   Domestic: $5.00
International
   Canada/Mexico: $12.00
All Others: $14.00
For each additional set add $1.00 USD.
For international orders of more than one set, it with be shipped parcel post to keep costs down.



@Moogle Stiltzkin : Read first post careful...

IIRC
2 shipments to Singapore
- 1 shipment of 2 set to me
- 1 shipment of 2 set to qlojolp
Title: 104 US ANSI Double shot replacements for Filco Order
Post by: Moogle Stiltzkin on Tue, 19 October 2010, 12:33:09
Quote from: WhiteRice;235994
I'm shipping them all to one person.

Hi whiterice.

So is it confirmed i can take over woodys set ?

Clarify if this is the set
Quote
Custom Geek Hack Key Set:
1 x 104 US ANSI double shot keyset
1 x Orange Geek hack Key w/ white text
1 x 1.75” Alternate Caps lock key w/ "Control"
1 x 1.75” Alternate Stepped Caps lock Key
1 x Alternate Orange WASD cluster (4 key set)
2 x 1.25” Diamond keys
1 x Surprise Item

49.00 + 14 = 63 USD total + paypal transaction fees ?
Title: 104 US ANSI Double shot replacements for Filco Order
Post by: WhiteRice on Tue, 19 October 2010, 12:45:07
Quote from: Moogle Stiltzkin;235997
Hi whiterice.

So is it confirmed i can take over woodys set ?

Clarify if this is the set


49.00 + 14 = 63 USD total + paypal transaction fees ?
Yes sir
Title: 104 US ANSI Double shot replacements for Filco Order
Post by: muchadoaboutnothing on Tue, 19 October 2010, 13:04:25
Quote from: WhiteRice;235540
Does anyone know of any scripts or programs that will pull from a spreadsheet and fill in the forms automatically?

Before I write one it would be nice if there was already something out there that could save me some time.

Otherwise I have like 2-3 weeks to write it and test it. Yea once I get that setup it should be a breeze to get the forms done. "Collating" and packing will probably take more time.


How many addresses do we have on the list? I doubt the effort to code it would outweigh the effort to just type it manually.

At a minimum if you register a free USPS account it fills in a default return address whenever you go to add a new label to the cart, which is half the work.
Title: 104 US ANSI Double shot replacements for Filco Order
Post by: didjamatic on Tue, 19 October 2010, 13:09:05
Paid.   Thanks!
Title: 104 US ANSI Double shot replacements for Filco Order
Post by: TexasFlood on Tue, 19 October 2010, 16:52:45
Quote from: WhiteRice;235540
Does anyone know of any scripts or programs that will pull from a spreadsheet and fill in the forms automatically?

Before I write one it would be nice if there was already something out there that could save me some time.

Otherwise I have like 2-3 weeks to write it and test it. Yea once I get that setup it should be a breeze to get the forms done. "Collating" and packing will probably take more time.

I haven't used it myself but from reading about it maybe iMacros for Firefox (https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/3863/)?  Of course I'm assuming you're talking about web forms.
Title: 104 US ANSI Double shot replacements for Filco Order
Post by: WhiteRice on Tue, 19 October 2010, 17:19:41
Ah thanks, right idea. I'm going to write something up that will have to work with the web forms and some other input info.

It's ok, it's pretty simple actually.
Title: 104 US ANSI Double shot replacements for Filco Order
Post by: TexasFlood on Tue, 19 October 2010, 17:29:25
Quote from: WhiteRice;236114
Ah thanks, right idea. I'm going to write something up that will have to work with the web forms and some other input info.

It's ok, it's pretty simple actually.

That was the part I thought might work for you since iMacros states it can import & export data using CSV files.  I have Autofill Forms which works for my personal info but can't import data so far as I know.  Good luck...
Title: 104 US ANSI Double shot replacements for Filco Order
Post by: WhiteRice on Tue, 19 October 2010, 17:32:26
Quote from: TexasFlood;236121
That was the part I thought might work for you since iMacros states it can import & export data using CSV files.  I have Autofill Forms which works for my personal info but can't import data so far as I know.  Good luck...
That's what I get for not reading thoroughly :3

I'll have to take a closer look. Thanks TF
Title: 104 US ANSI Double shot replacements for Filco Order
Post by: TexasFlood on Tue, 19 October 2010, 17:43:53
Quote from: WhiteRice;236123
That's what I get for not reading thoroughly :3

I'll have to take a closer look. Thanks TF

It's not real obvious, or at least it wasn't to me, but here (http://forum.iopus.com/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=5663) is an example of tweaking a script, which could be recorded, to read a csv data file.
Title: 104 US ANSI Double shot replacements for Filco Order
Post by: TexasFlood on Tue, 19 October 2010, 22:57:31
Quote from: TexasFlood;236129
It's not real obvious, or at least it wasn't to me, but here (http://forum.iopus.com/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=5663) is an example of tweaking a script, which could be recorded, to read a csv data file.

Actually, now that I look again, I lied.  That is an example of how to read a csv file with javascript you wrote.  If you record it, the syntax for reading the csv that you'll want to use is like that in the example script "Demo-Loop-Csv-2-Web.iim", as described in the iMacros WIKI Form Filling - Data Input - Input from Comma Separated Data (CSV) File  (http://wiki.imacros.net/Form_Filling#Input_from_Comma_Separated_Data_.28CSV.29_File) section.
Title: 104 US ANSI Double shot replacements for Filco Order
Post by: panda-R on Tue, 19 October 2010, 23:07:29
Omfreakingoodness how did i miss this.
:(
Title: 104 US ANSI Double shot replacements for Filco Order
Post by: Moogle Stiltzkin on Tue, 19 October 2010, 23:40:00
I've already paid Woody via paypal to take over his spot. Woody and Whiterice please kindly confirm :}

And once done please change shipping address to mine, thanks.
Title: 104 US ANSI Double shot replacements for Filco Order
Post by: TexasFlood on Wed, 20 October 2010, 00:34:03
Quote from: TexasFlood;236129
It's not real obvious, or at least it wasn't to me, but here (http://forum.iopus.com/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=5663) is an example of tweaking a script, which could be recorded, to read a csv data file.

Quote from: TexasFlood;236227
Actually, now that I look again, I lied.  That is an example of how to read a csv file with javascript you wrote.  If you record it, the syntax for reading the csv that you'll want to use is like that in the example script "Demo-Loop-Csv-2-Web.iim", as described in the iMacros WIKI Form Filling - Data Input - Input from Comma Separated Data (CSV) File  (http://wiki.imacros.net/Form_Filling#Input_from_Comma_Separated_Data_.28CSV.29_File) section.
So just as a test to show it works, I recorded a script to log into geekhack and modified it to read from a csv file as described in the iMacros WIKI Form Filling - Data Input - Input from Comma Separated Data (CSV) File  (http://wiki.imacros.net/Form_Filling#Input_from_Comma_Separated_Data_.28CSV.29_File).  I created a csv file named GeekhackIdPw.csv with only one line containing only two fields, my geekhack id and password.  The file was saved in the iMacros Datasources directory so I didn't need to include a path to the file.  Here is the code, works fine:
Code: [Select]
VERSION BUILD=7000928 RECORDER=FX
TAB T=1
SET !DATASOURCE GeekhackIdPw.csv
SET !DATASOURCE_COLUMNS 2
SET !LOOP 1
SET !DATASOURCE_LINE {{!LOOP}}
URL GOTO=http://geekhack.org/
TAG POS=1 TYPE=INPUT:TEXT FORM=ACTION:login.php?do=login ATTR=ID:navbar_username CONTENT={{!COL1}}
TAG POS=1 TYPE=INPUT:PASSWORD FORM=ACTION:login.php?do=login ATTR=ID:navbar_password CONTENT={{!COL2}}
TAG POS=1 TYPE=INPUT:CHECKBOX FORM=ACTION:login.php?do=login ATTR=ID:cb_cookieuser_navbar CONTENT=YES
TAG POS=1 TYPE=INPUT:SUBMIT FORM=ACTION:login.php?do=login ATTR=VALUE:Log<SP>in
Title: 104 US ANSI Double shot replacements for Filco Order
Post by: TexasFlood on Wed, 20 October 2010, 00:42:10
Quote from: TexasFlood;236129
It's not real obvious, or at least it wasn't to me, but here (http://forum.iopus.com/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=5663) is an example of tweaking a script, which could be recorded, to read a csv data file.

Quote from: TexasFlood;236227
Actually, now that I look again, I lied.  That is an example of how to read a csv file with javascript you wrote.  If you record it, the syntax for reading the csv that you'll want to use is like that in the example script "Demo-Loop-Csv-2-Web.iim", as described in the iMacros WIKI Form Filling - Data Input - Input from Comma Separated Data (CSV) File  (http://wiki.imacros.net/Form_Filling#Input_from_Comma_Separated_Data_.28CSV.29_File) section.
So just as a test to show it works, I recorded a script to log into geekhack and modified it to read from a csv file as described in the iMacros WIKI Form Filling - Data Input - Input from Comma Separated Data (CSV) File  (http://wiki.imacros.net/Form_Filling#Input_from_Comma_Separated_Data_.28CSV.29_File) section.  I created a csv file named GeekhackIdPw.csv with only one line containing only two fields, my geekhack id and password.  The csv file was saved in the iMacros Datasources directory so I didn't need to include a path to the file.  Here is the code, works fine:
Code: [Select]
VERSION BUILD=7000928 RECORDER=FX
TAB T=1
SET !DATASOURCE GeekhackIdPw.csv
SET !DATASOURCE_COLUMNS 2
SET !LOOP 1
SET !DATASOURCE_LINE {{!LOOP}}
URL GOTO=http://geekhack.org/
TAG POS=1 TYPE=INPUT:TEXT FORM=ACTION:login.php?do=login ATTR=ID:navbar_username CONTENT={{!COL1}}
TAG POS=1 TYPE=INPUT:PASSWORD FORM=ACTION:login.php?do=login ATTR=ID:navbar_password CONTENT={{!COL2}}
TAG POS=1 TYPE=INPUT:CHECKBOX FORM=ACTION:login.php?do=login ATTR=ID:cb_cookieuser_navbar CONTENT=YES
TAG POS=1 TYPE=INPUT:SUBMIT FORM=ACTION:login.php?do=login ATTR=VALUE:Log<SP>in
Title: 104 US ANSI Double shot replacements for Filco Order
Post by: Moogle Stiltzkin on Wed, 20 October 2010, 01:32:59
I found a guide for filco spacebar
http://geekhack.org/showpost.php?p=88219&postcount=6

Will the ducky be the same ? Also is there a utube to show this instead :/ ?


Found a utube video but not sure what keyboard it is. But will the ducky method be the same ?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-c2wt0PDB7g


So i use keycap puller, pull a bit on the center of the spacebar to dislodge. Then u pull left and right and pull facing to me to unhook from the holder (like shown in the utube) is that right ?
Title: 104 US ANSI Double shot replacements for Filco Order
Post by: Kairxa on Wed, 20 October 2010, 01:47:31
don't bother about removing keys with stabilizer on it.
once you get all keys without stabilizer around those keys, you will be able to lift it off easily, even by your bare hand.
now, the tricky part is to remove the stabilizer from the keycaps.
Title: 104 US ANSI Double shot replacements for Filco Order
Post by: Moogle Stiltzkin on Wed, 20 October 2010, 01:56:41
Eh what ??

so the stabilizer is locked onto the keyboard ?

So if i just pull straight out it will break ?!?! that is what i'm afraid of :X


I think i sorta understand how to do it for spacebar, but the shift, caps and enter keys still elude me :/
Title: 104 US ANSI Double shot replacements for Filco Order
Post by: squarebox on Wed, 20 October 2010, 02:00:31
Here's how to remove:
Spacebar : http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vaOXridKeag (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vaOXridKeag)
Shift : http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_ZWYYa6kfhE (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_ZWYYa6kfhE)
Another angle of Shift : http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PxZ0Xoaio7I (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PxZ0Xoaio7I)
Title: 104 US ANSI Double shot replacements for Filco Order
Post by: Moogle Stiltzkin on Wed, 20 October 2010, 02:22:42
Thx, i will take a look at it.

I'm gonna try this on my crappy logitech before i dare try on ducky :X


*update

Oh i get what he means now. I saw the shift key has 2 metal bars hooking onto it. So you have to lift up a bit to dislodge from switch, then pull it side ways to unhook from one side before the other.

Hm.
Title: 104 US ANSI Double shot replacements for Filco Order
Post by: ironman31 on Wed, 20 October 2010, 06:44:09
But as someone said earlier, taking the stabilizer off of the key itself is usually the tricky part. Needle nose often slip off the plastic for me.
Title: 104 US ANSI Double shot replacements for Filco Order
Post by: Moogle Stiltzkin on Wed, 20 October 2010, 07:32:30
Quote from: ironman31;236280
But as someone said earlier, taking the stabilizer off of the key itself is usually the tricky part. Needle nose often slip off the plastic for me.


How about a tweezer + key puller ?


Key puller to lift it up a bit so the key detaches from the switch. Then lightly use the tweezer to hold onto one of the stabilizer, then pull the key one side to dislodge from one of the metal stabilizer hooks, then repeat same for the other side :X

Tada
Title: 104 US ANSI Double shot replacements for Filco Order
Post by: Moogle Stiltzkin on Wed, 20 October 2010, 08:54:16
Nope, but looking from screenshots and specification shots, looks like it can fit.

The top function key row i probably will exclude and just use the ducky keys.

Just planning how i'm gonna pimp it :x
Title: 104 US ANSI Double shot replacements for Filco Order
Post by: woody on Wed, 20 October 2010, 12:39:12
My set goes to Moogle. He'll enjoy it much more than me, I guess.
________
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Title: 104 US ANSI Double shot replacements for Filco Order
Post by: WhiteRice on Wed, 20 October 2010, 12:46:42
Would you like me to notify you if a spare set becomes available?
Title: 104 US ANSI Double shot replacements for Filco Order
Post by: woody on Wed, 20 October 2010, 12:47:39
Sure, if no one else wants it. I'm the least emotional in this regard.
________
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Title: 104 US ANSI Double shot replacements for Filco Order
Post by: Moogle Stiltzkin on Wed, 20 October 2010, 12:51:10
Thank you so much Woody. I appreciate this a lot :}
Title: 104 US ANSI Double shot replacements for Filco Order
Post by: TexasFlood on Wed, 20 October 2010, 13:34:29
Quote from: TexasFlood;236250
So just as a test to show it works, I recorded a script to log into geekhack and modified it to read from a csv file as described in the iMacros WIKI Form Filling - Data Input - Input from Comma Separated Data (CSV) File  (http://wiki.imacros.net/Form_Filling#Input_from_Comma_Separated_Data_.28CSV.29_File) section.  I created a csv file named GeekhackIdPw.csv with only one line containing only two fields, my geekhack id and password.  The csv file was saved in the iMacros Datasources directory so I didn't need to include a path to the file.  Here is the code, works fine:
Code: [Select]
VERSION BUILD=7000928 RECORDER=FX
TAB T=1
SET !DATASOURCE GeekhackIdPw.csv
SET !DATASOURCE_COLUMNS 2
SET !LOOP 1
SET !DATASOURCE_LINE {{!LOOP}}
URL GOTO=http://geekhack.org/
TAG POS=1 TYPE=INPUT:TEXT FORM=ACTION:login.php?do=login ATTR=ID:navbar_username CONTENT={{!COL1}}
TAG POS=1 TYPE=INPUT:PASSWORD FORM=ACTION:login.php?do=login ATTR=ID:navbar_password CONTENT={{!COL2}}
TAG POS=1 TYPE=INPUT:CHECKBOX FORM=ACTION:login.php?do=login ATTR=ID:cb_cookieuser_navbar CONTENT=YES
TAG POS=1 TYPE=INPUT:SUBMIT FORM=ACTION:login.php?do=login ATTR=VALUE:Log<SP>in


Quote from: WhiteRice;236428
Would you like me to notify you if a spare set becomes available?

Have any luck scripting this, either by my suggestion or other?

I'm glad you asked the question since now I have iMacros loaded and can use it if needed.  I already had a form fill program but this is potentially more powerful, although would take more work as well.

Looks like you could ever use it for testing purposes, almost like a poor mans mercury load runner (I know HP owns it now but not when I was using it in anger).
Title: 104 US ANSI Double shot replacements for Filco Order
Post by: sixty on Wed, 20 October 2010, 13:42:05
(http://www.otd.kr/data/file/album/1988307998_b253d0b3_fra04.jpg)

The top spacebar is one of a Leopold FC200, seems it doesn't fit those.

From OTD (http://www.otd.kr/bbs/board.php?bo_table=album&wr_id=33153).
Title: 104 US ANSI Double shot replacements for Filco Order
Post by: WhiteRice on Wed, 20 October 2010, 14:23:14
Quote from: TexasFlood;236452
Have any luck scripting this, either by my suggestion or other?

I'm glad you asked the question since now I have iMacros loaded and can use it if needed.  I already had a form fill program but this is potentially more powerful, although would take more work as well.

Looks like you could ever use it for testing purposes, almost like a poor mans mercury load runner (I know HP owns it now but not when I was using it in anger).


I have yet to take a deeper look, I will spend some time with it on the weekend.
Title: 104 US ANSI Double shot replacements for Filco Order
Post by: TexasFlood on Wed, 20 October 2010, 18:27:56
Quote from: WhiteRice;236477
I have yet to take a deeper look, I will spend some time with it on the weekend.

Yup, it takes a little time but seems pretty straightforward.  Basically you do one manually & record it, then go in and replace "CONTENT=whatever your manual entry was" with "CONTENT={{!COL1}}" where the number is the field number on a given in a line of the csv file, build the csv file, then loop it.

Probably wise to start with a test perhaps leaving out the actual submit, until you're pretty comfortable then try 1 with submit, then a couple.  I'm kinda cautious that way and wouldn't cut loose with a bulk load until it was pretty well tested.

I once had to write this bear of a script to convert all the existing raw LUNs on an EMC Symmetrix into an OS volume managed LUNs.  It had to be run on a live data warehouse and would have taken a year & a day to restore if it went wrong.  I took forever writing and checking that script and really never wanted to actually run it.  Finally I had to and it all worked, but it could have been really ugly had it not.
Title: 104 US ANSI Double shot replacements for Filco Order
Post by: nanu on Wed, 20 October 2010, 18:43:16
Clearly all custom spacebars from here on out will just need to have a ridiculous excess of stems. Risky to make them notched for scrapping, but better than leaving white ring marks on the topside?
Title: 104 US ANSI Double shot replacements for Filco Order
Post by: RoboKrikit on Wed, 20 October 2010, 18:58:03
Oh my God, this is too cool.  If there are any openings available at some point, please let me know, I definitely want a set.
Title: 104 US ANSI Double shot replacements for Filco Order
Post by: Moogle Stiltzkin on Thu, 21 October 2010, 04:59:20
How long before shipping goes out :D ???
Title: 104 US ANSI Double shot replacements for Filco Order
Post by: Kairxa on Thu, 21 October 2010, 07:09:13
Mid November, IIRC. About 15 or something.
Title: 104 US ANSI Double shot replacements for Filco Order
Post by: Moogle Stiltzkin on Thu, 21 October 2010, 07:15:42
WOW. Exactly same time i get my Ducky keyboard. PERFECT :D

(http://images.icanhascheezburger.com/completestore/2008/12/11/128735360160855969.jpg)
Title: 104 US ANSI Double shot replacements for Filco Order
Post by: zefrer on Thu, 21 October 2010, 07:22:02
Winnah of cat pic of the day award!
Title: 104 US ANSI Double shot replacements for Filco Order
Post by: zefrer on Thu, 21 October 2010, 07:42:37
I'm not convinced by you posting a pic of an old man holding pickets with the word 'lolcats' written on it.

Obviously that is a man of serious convictions, on a campaign to rid this world of this.. disease. Or maybe he's just a little too obsessed about lolcats. And god.
Title: 104 US ANSI Double shot replacements for Filco Order
Post by: muchadoaboutnothing on Thu, 21 October 2010, 07:45:24
It'd be nice if we could get Signature to provide a pic or two of how our doubleshots are made (we know the process, but real life photos of it happening would be nice), even more awesome would be a video. It'd be geek porn.

Quote from: ripster;236563
Muchado is the babe in the middle.

I'm OK with this.
Title: 104 US ANSI Double shot replacements for Filco Order
Post by: Moogle Stiltzkin on Thu, 21 October 2010, 08:11:17
Quote from: muchadoaboutnothing;236706
It'd be nice if we could get Signature to provide a pic or two of how our doubleshots are made (we know the process, but real life photos of it happening would be nice), even more awesome would be a video. It'd be geek porn.



I'm OK with this.



I Second that.
Title: 104 US ANSI Double shot replacements for Filco Order
Post by: didjamatic on Thu, 21 October 2010, 08:23:28
Quote from: ripster;236563
When can we start whining......

Is the PartyVan there yet!?!!?
Show Image
(http://deftek.net/img/ammo/4chan-party-van.jpg)

I'm the dude on the right with the beard hiding, WhiteRice is the asian guy holding his stomach in for the pic.

Muchado is the babe in the middle.


I'm the duct tape arm guy on the left.
Title: 104 US ANSI Double shot replacements for Filco Order
Post by: WhiteRice on Fri, 22 October 2010, 17:29:34
Quote

Things are progressing well! Your order is scheduled to ship on November 2nd and I don't see any issues making this ship date.
Thanks for checking in!
 
Signature Plastics LLC


.
Title: 104 US ANSI Double shot replacements for Filco Order
Post by: muchadoaboutnothing on Fri, 22 October 2010, 17:42:59
Quote from: WhiteRice;237508
.


(http://imgur.com/9fUG0.jpg)

Beg nicely for a picture of doubleshot keycaps being made (hopefully ours, but if they have any photos it would still be cool).

Explain that we're all neurotic keyboard nerds and it's like porn to us.
Title: 104 US ANSI Double shot replacements for Filco Order
Post by: Zen on Fri, 22 October 2010, 19:16:28
Yeah, finding obscure POS-keyboards with "H"-caps on ebay is better than surfing porn..
Title: 104 US ANSI Double shot replacements for Filco Order
Post by: zefrer on Fri, 22 October 2010, 19:41:45
"Please give us pics, it's like porn to us."
"Errr.... We're not giving you pics to masturbate to."

Rather embarrassing I'd say.
Title: 104 US ANSI Double shot replacements for Filco Order
Post by: Moogle Stiltzkin on Fri, 22 October 2010, 21:45:29
We demand nudity shots of kb double shot pron

(http://images.cheezburger.com/completestore/2009/12/16/129054397959782802.jpg)
Title: 104 US ANSI Double shot replacements for Filco Order
Post by: Kaishi on Mon, 25 October 2010, 13:32:23
Any status updates on the production process, WhiteRice?  You'll inform us if there's a delay, right?
Title: 104 US ANSI Double shot replacements for Filco Order
Post by: muchadoaboutnothing on Mon, 25 October 2010, 13:38:01
I think WhiteRice is going to tell us if Signature Plastics reports any problems so we don't form an angry mob.
Title: 104 US ANSI Double shot replacements for Filco Order
Post by: WhiteRice on Mon, 25 October 2010, 14:01:07
I will check in with Signature at the end of the week. Unless I hear anything from them before then I will assume that everything it ok.

Ship date is still Nov. 2nd.
Title: 104 US ANSI Double shot replacements for Filco Order
Post by: Moogle Stiltzkin on Mon, 25 October 2010, 14:02:17
@Kaishi

Whiterice died of heart attack so no shipment to buyers :{

*worse case scenario :X




Eh 2nd Nov ? Thats much sooner than the reported 15th Nov :D  naice !!!



So lets see here whats so special about November to Moogle.

1. New Wheel of time book release :D (early Nov)

2. SP double shot key sets :D (2nd Nov ?? )

3. Ducky 9008 keyboard (delayed to 19th :{ )


;d weeee
Title: 104 US ANSI Double shot replacements for Filco Order
Post by: WhiteRice on Mon, 25 October 2010, 14:11:05
Ship to me is Nov. 2nd. Is I will do my best to send them out asap. Possibly before Nov. 15.
Title: 104 US ANSI Double shot replacements for Filco Order
Post by: sixty on Mon, 25 October 2010, 14:23:48
Quote from: WhiteRice;238532
Ship to me is Nov. 2nd. Is I will do my best to send them out asap. Possibly before Nov. 15.


Do the international ones first, so we do not get into the postal Christmas craze. No, actually I'm just impatient.
Title: 104 US ANSI Double shot replacements for Filco Order
Post by: Moogle Stiltzkin on Mon, 25 October 2010, 14:43:13
*bribes whiterice with some cookies :X
Title: 104 US ANSI Double shot replacements for Filco Order
Post by: wap32 on Mon, 25 October 2010, 15:20:52
Quote from: sixty;238542
Do the international ones first, so we do not get into the postal Christmas craze. No, actually I'm just impatient.


I second this idea.
Title: me2!
Post by: 7bit on Mon, 25 October 2010, 15:26:53
Quote from: wap32;238570
I second this idea.


Just make sure that everyone gets their keys (more or less) at the same day!
Title: 104 US ANSI Double shot replacements for Filco Order
Post by: Lanx on Mon, 25 October 2010, 15:28:00
No do the US first so we can all review it(and make the international guys salivate even more~!!!)
Title: Nope!
Post by: 7bit on Mon, 25 October 2010, 15:32:51
Quote from: Lanx;238575
No do the US first so we can all review it(and make the international guys salivate even more~!!!)


WE want them first!

We paid more for the shipping, so we have a right to get them before you domestic shipping cheapskates!
Title: 104 US ANSI Double shot replacements for Filco Order
Post by: WhiteRice on Mon, 25 October 2010, 15:34:37
Which ever group gains my favor will get there's sooner.....

*Please don't take that seriously

*buy me a topre 86u
Title: 104 US ANSI Double shot replacements for Filco Order
Post by: keyboardlover on Mon, 25 October 2010, 15:35:43
Quote from: WhiteRice;238585

*buy me a topre 86u


Why didn't I think of that!
Title: 104 US ANSI Double shot replacements for Filco Order
Post by: Zen on Mon, 25 October 2010, 16:07:01
Please sell the advertising-rights to them for a free set for us all !!
Title: 104 US ANSI Double shot replacements for Filco Order
Post by: WhiteRice on Mon, 25 October 2010, 16:53:57
I was thinking how cool it would be to start a keyboard/keycap business...

I wonder if EliteKeyboards used to think that...
Title: 104 US ANSI Double shot replacements for Filco Order
Post by: Moogle Stiltzkin on Mon, 25 October 2010, 17:40:38
well from their about pages thats usually the story. They saw a niche and opportunity and made it work.
Title: 104 US ANSI Double shot replacements for Filco Order
Post by: muchadoaboutnothing on Mon, 25 October 2010, 19:20:45
If WhiteRice tackles the customs forms ahead of time, he can tape them to the boxes (along with the printed labels for both domestic & international shipments) and drop them off at the nearest post office and mail them out same day.

I think this was the plan, yes? Why not drop them all off at once then?

Quote from: 7bit;238582
WE want them first!

We paid more for the shipping, so we have a right to get them before you domestic shipping cheapskates!

No, I'm a state over from WhiteRice.

I plan to check their quality and act as a tester, like the slaves did for Roman emperors. Maybe the keys are covered in poison because someone at Signature is a homicidal maniac.

I can get the keys in 1-2 days from WhiteRice shipping it. That would give me ample time to warn the rest of the country- and the world- of any potential danger.

I'm just taking the risk so the rest of the community doesn't have to. No need to thank me.
Title: 104 US ANSI Double shot replacements for Filco Order
Post by: WhiteRice on Mon, 25 October 2010, 19:22:16
I think I'm going to send you a couple of keys every month... to keep things suspenseful...
Title: 104 US ANSI Double shot replacements for Filco Order
Post by: muchadoaboutnothing on Mon, 25 October 2010, 19:25:48
Quote from: WhiteRice;238695
I think I'm going to send you a couple of keys every month... to keep things suspenseful...


Sounds good to me! You're paying the $4.80 a shipment (or more internationally) for priority mail, right?
Title: 104 US ANSI Double shot replacements for Filco Order
Post by: Moogle Stiltzkin on Tue, 26 October 2010, 14:46:38
Unpaid:

Rally Man

Payment Pending:

crazelee
Rokkor
In Stereo!


4 still pending ? Did they get back to you ?
Title: 104 US ANSI Double shot replacements for Filco Order
Post by: MissileMike on Tue, 26 October 2010, 15:05:17
If they didn't get back to you, I would be in for a second set.
Title: 104 US ANSI Double shot replacements for Filco Order
Post by: phate408 on Tue, 26 October 2010, 15:10:39
And I would still be in for a first set :P
Title: 104 US ANSI Double shot replacements for Filco Order
Post by: WhiteRice on Tue, 26 October 2010, 15:32:40
I just contacted them, some of them I already spoke with and made arrangements.

I will be in touch if any sets become available.
Title: 104 US ANSI Double shot replacements for Filco Order
Post by: WhiteRice on Wed, 27 October 2010, 12:42:00
This is on topic!

(http://zachwang.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/10/43688_460.jpg)
Title: 104 US ANSI Double shot replacements for Filco Order
Post by: Daniel Beaver on Wed, 27 October 2010, 13:34:15
(http://images.encyclopediadramatica.com/images/4/40/Sauce_nao.jpg)

Weren't we talking about keyboards?
Title: 104 US ANSI Double shot replacements for Filco Order
Post by: woody on Wed, 27 October 2010, 17:36:11
Quote from: Daniel Beaver;239529
Weren't we talking about keyboards?

With or without nubs?
________
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Title: 104 US ANSI Double shot replacements for Filco Order
Post by: zefrer on Thu, 28 October 2010, 08:21:21
Peter Griffin: "Hehehe, you said nubs. And your name is Woody. Hehehehe"
Title: 104 US ANSI Double shot replacements for Filco Order
Post by: Moogle Stiltzkin on Thu, 28 October 2010, 08:29:24
If people haven't settled payment by now i think you should give away their slots.

Woody should get a slot since he helped give me priority for the keys i wanted badly.
Title: 104 US ANSI Double shot replacements for Filco Order
Post by: keyboardlover on Thu, 28 October 2010, 09:31:09
Quote from: ripster;239792
I think people that haven't paid should be lynched and put on MW's ignore list.

In that order?
Title: 104 US ANSI Double shot replacements for Filco Order
Post by: rantenki on Thu, 28 October 2010, 15:02:45
Quote from: keyboardlover;239817
In that order?


Yes we want to watch them die first. ;)
Title: 104 US ANSI Double shot replacements for Filco Order
Post by: Moogle Stiltzkin on Thu, 28 October 2010, 20:17:47
First we must set Rantenki's avatar dog on them first :X
Title: 104 US ANSI Double shot replacements for Filco Order
Post by: rantenki on Sun, 31 October 2010, 22:34:36
Quote from: Moogle Stiltzkin;240004
First we must set Rantenki's avatar dog on them first :X

Not so vicious that girl. More likely to beg for treats or cower under the computer desk.

Also, she HATES the noise of the Model M.
Title: 104 US ANSI Double shot replacements for Filco Order
Post by: muchadoaboutnothing on Sun, 31 October 2010, 22:35:59
How are the customs forms and shipping labels going, WhiteRice?
Title: 104 US ANSI Double shot replacements for Filco Order
Post by: Moogle Stiltzkin on Sun, 31 October 2010, 22:37:28
Quote from: rantenki;240932
Not so vicious that girl. More likely to beg for treats or cower under the computer desk.

Also, she HATES the noise of the Model M.


Sounds like a nice pet :]

however it reminds me of my fat hedgehog that died. They both could have used some exercise to lose weight :rofl:

Hm ....2 MORE DAYS TILL SHIPPING !!! :bounce:
Title: 104 US ANSI Double shot replacements for Filco Order
Post by: WhiteRice on Mon, 01 November 2010, 01:38:08
Quote from: muchadoaboutnothing;240934
How are the customs forms and shipping labels going, WhiteRice?
Looking good. I may have to pm some people about foreign addressing as I am not familiar with some of them.
Title: 104 US ANSI Double shot replacements for Filco Order
Post by: WhiteRice on Mon, 01 November 2010, 15:32:41
Ok Gang! Signature says that everything is on schedule for shipment for tomorrow!
Title: 104 US ANSI Double shot replacements for Filco Order
Post by: ironman31 on Mon, 01 November 2010, 16:20:51
nice. shall be a nice early Christmas present for myself
Title: 104 US ANSI Double shot replacements for Filco Order
Post by: Kaishi on Mon, 01 November 2010, 18:03:27
Quote from: WhiteRice;241242
Ok Gang! Signature says that everything is on schedule for shipment for tomorrow!


Woo! I'm so excited!
Title: 104 US ANSI Double shot replacements for Filco Order
Post by: muchadoaboutnothing on Mon, 01 November 2010, 18:08:11
So, now might be a good time to ask...

Don't want to break my Filco or Rosewill popping the larger keys with stabilizers. I also want to get them in right.

Advice/instructions to this end?
Title: 104 US ANSI Double shot replacements for Filco Order
Post by: WhiteRice on Mon, 01 November 2010, 18:21:43
I'm helping!

(http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_POEjTUihojQ/SyMa7PLhQhI/AAAAAAAABRE/QY9b2k_wJtA/s400/hammer.jpg)
Title: 104 US ANSI Double shot replacements for Filco Order
Post by: Zen on Tue, 02 November 2010, 13:16:25
Yeah well, at least it's their own region they destabilize ..
It seems that Americans don't mind travelling thousands of miles to destabilize somebody else's region, preferably killing all the interesting people they meet on their way and installing some pocket-Mussolini dictator who will sell the Oil to you at a price you set yourselves .
How the Hell they find the places is a mystery to all us fortunate non-Americans,
considering that an embarrassing amount of Americans can't even find
their own country on a map ..

Sure we should go on trashing other peoples countries ?
Title: 104 US ANSI Double shot replacements for Filco Order
Post by: ironman31 on Tue, 02 November 2010, 13:19:49
lol. Have some strong feelings towards Americans don't we?
Title: 104 US ANSI Double shot replacements for Filco Order
Post by: muchadoaboutnothing on Tue, 02 November 2010, 14:17:10
Quote from: Zen;241670
Yeah well, at least it's their own region they destabilize ..
It seems that Americans don't mind travelling thousands of miles to destabilize somebody else's region, preferably killing all the interesting people they meet on their way and installing some pocket-Mussolini dictator who will sell the Oil to you at a price you set yourselves .
How the Hell they find the places is a mystery to all us fortunate non-Americans,
considering that an embarrassing amount of Americans can't even find
their own country on a map ..

Sure we should go on trashing other peoples countries ?


ripster's trolling. Don't feed the troll.
Title: 104 US ANSI Double shot replacements for Filco Order
Post by: Daniel Beaver on Tue, 02 November 2010, 15:07:26
Quote from: Zen;241670
Yeah well, at least it's their own region they destabilize ..
It seems that Americans don't mind travelling thousands of miles to destabilize somebody else's region, preferably killing all the interesting people they meet on their way and installing some pocket-Mussolini dictator who will sell the Oil to you at a price you set yourselves .
How the Hell they find the places is a mystery to all us fortunate non-Americans,
considering that an embarrassing amount of Americans can't even find
their own country on a map ..

Sure we should go on trashing other peoples countries ?


You know America - we just love to be the best at what we do.
Title: 104 US ANSI Double shot replacements for Filco Order
Post by: Megaweapon on Tue, 02 November 2010, 15:13:48
(http://i345.photobucket.com/albums/p388/proteus_lives/Scan11445.jpg)
(http://i345.photobucket.com/albums/p388/proteus_lives/Scan11446.jpg)
Title: 104 US ANSI Double shot replacements for Filco Order
Post by: phate408 on Tue, 02 November 2010, 17:41:22
Quote from: ripster;241774
November 2nd.  Ship date.

Trick or Treat?


Haha, awesome clip. I love that show. Not all their sketches are that great, but they have some good ones.
Title: 104 US ANSI Double shot replacements for Filco Order
Post by: Moogle Stiltzkin on Tue, 02 November 2010, 19:22:34
Quote from: muchadoaboutnothing;241717
ripster's trolling. Don't feed the troll.

Trolls = too much free time (http://cococokie.files.wordpress.com/2007/06/tuzki012.gif?w=50&h=50)


Anyway, Afghan definately had to be invaded. Alqaeda bombed the wtc nuff said.

Iraq ??? Probably should have solved it during the gulf wars when Iraq invaded Quwait. That would have been sufficient reason to oust Saddam. Instead after repelling the Iraqi army, they retreated and left Saddam in power. Then it got messier when they have to invade a second time under the pretext of WOMD's which didn't exist o_o; oh boi was that a pickle.

But yeah at times the US can get cocky. With their economy not doing so well, maybe they will be less bossy and focus more on their own turf and get things fixed, rather than butt heads with Russia, China etc :X

If theres going to be WW3, it's going to happen in Europe because of muslim immigration situation. Just look at Sweden nuff said :X



Anyway back to topic :X so keys getting sent to you today ? How long before you receive them :D ?
Title: 104 US ANSI Double shot replacements for Filco Order
Post by: WhiteRice on Tue, 02 November 2010, 19:50:18
Hey guys, I didn't hear from Signature. They said we were on schedule, so I will assume they shipped today.

I know you guys won't be satisfied with that so I'll send them an email tomorrow to see what the status out. :)
Title: 104 US ANSI Double shot replacements for Filco Order
Post by: Hak Foo on Tue, 02 November 2010, 20:12:08
Quote from: Moogle Stiltzkin;241829

Iraq ??? Probably should have solved it during the gulf wars when Iraq invaded Quwait. That would have been sufficient reason to oust Saddam.


I disagree.  Why do we care?  Does Kuwait represent our values?  (any Kuwaiti members.. don't answer :) )  Iraq vs. Kuwait is as relevant to American interests as the status of East Timor, but do we intervene there?

At least Hussein was a relatively secular madman.
Title: 104 US ANSI Double shot replacements for Filco Order
Post by: RoboKrikit on Tue, 02 November 2010, 21:27:06
Y'all are completely off topic.  We were talking about someone letting me take over their order!  My first Filco is on the way, and I'm afraid the home row keys will have worn off before it even gets here.  I must have some hot Dolch lovin'.
Title: 104 US ANSI Double shot replacements for Filco Order
Post by: WhiteRice on Tue, 02 November 2010, 21:30:33
Quote from: RoboKrikit;241872
My first Filco is on the way, and I'm afraid the home row keys will have worn off before it even gets here.


Lol, sometimes I think that 90% of us think this.
Title: 104 US ANSI Double shot replacements for Filco Order
Post by: laden3 on Tue, 02 November 2010, 21:46:51
A friend of mine has a Filco tenkeyless for quite some time and the keyboard looks pretty new to me(no shiny keycaps). The funny thing is that he owns a Matias Tactile Pro, a Topre, a Filco and a bunch of rubber domes, yet, he knows nothing about mechanical switches.
Title: 104 US ANSI Double shot replacements for Filco Order
Post by: jnsjr on Tue, 02 November 2010, 22:10:31
Quote from: RoboKrikit;241872
Y'all are completely off topic.  We were talking about someone letting me take over their order!  My first Filco is on the way, and I'm afraid the home row keys will have worn off before it even gets here.  I must have some hot Dolch lovin'.


Lol
Title: 104 US ANSI Double shot replacements for Filco Order
Post by: Hak Foo on Tue, 02 November 2010, 23:05:13
Quote from: WhiteRice;241875
Lol, sometimes I think that 90% of us think this.


Can someone explain the appeal of the Filco, especially the non-NKRO?

Why don't people buy (or at least when they could) a G80 instead, with keycaps that last?  It seems no worse than a 2kro Filco.
Title: 104 US ANSI Double shot replacements for Filco Order
Post by: Chobopants on Tue, 02 November 2010, 23:40:50
Hey guys. Looks like I was just a couple weeks late to this. Is there going to be any policy on taking over unpaid orders at any point or doing another one in the future? This looks like a great set and I'd love to get my hands on one.

I just (re)discovered the world of mech keyboards today (and remembered my old model M) and my Filco is on the way.
Title: 104 US ANSI Double shot replacements for Filco Order
Post by: Daniel Beaver on Tue, 02 November 2010, 23:41:53
g80s are gigantic.

Filco tenkeyless are tiny.

Non-nkro Filco sounds stupid to me.
Title: 104 US ANSI Double shot replacements for Filco Order
Post by: Hak Foo on Tue, 02 November 2010, 23:58:06
Quote from: ripster;241930
The other slight technicality is G80-3000s are no longer available in the USA (except some blacks).


if the filco crowd had bought them, they might still carry 'em.
Title: 104 US ANSI Double shot replacements for Filco Order
Post by: muchadoaboutnothing on Wed, 03 November 2010, 00:35:21
Quote from: Chobopants;241926
Hey guys. Looks like I was just a couple weeks late to this. Is there going to be any policy on taking over unpaid orders at any point or doing another one in the future? This looks like a great set and I'd love to get my hands on one.

I just (re)discovered the world of mech keyboards today (and remembered my old model M) and my Filco is on the way.

There are apparently still 3 people who have yet to pay. I'd PM WhiteRice and see if those sets are available.

They may not (perhaps he's already worked out payment details with them and they will do it soon, perhaps he just forgot to update). At the same time the worst answer you can get is a no, so it doesn't hurt to ask.

Also, welcome to Geekhack!
Title: 104 US ANSI Double shot replacements for Filco Order
Post by: Moogle Stiltzkin on Wed, 03 November 2010, 04:23:16
Quote from: ripster;241834
But you don't have a Ducky keyboard to put them in yet?

My keyboard is delayed to December .... because i swapped from abs silkscreened dk-9008 to the pbt laser etched :/


Quote from: Hak Foo;241856
I disagree.  Why do we care?  Does Kuwait represent our values?  (any Kuwaiti members.. don't answer :) )  Iraq vs. Kuwait is as relevant to American interests as the status of East Timor, but do we intervene there?

At least Hussein was a relatively secular madman.

The US were supplying Iraq with chemical weapons to use against Iran. Instead, Iraq saved up those chemical weapons and used it to subdue the local population (the kurds). That pissed off the Americans.

Iraqs incursion into Kuwait to take control of the oil was a good pretext for the Americans to get involved to assist an ally, and maybe to get back at Iraq.

If the US didn't care they wouldn't have invaded Iraq a 2nd time. Their intel on the WOMD they either knew it was fake but went on anyway, or they were incompetent. George Bush was the president then; and Tony Blair wasn't that much better, so probably the later :/


Quote
I vote for public humiliation of these 3 deadbeats.

Finally something we can agree on. Why is payment delayed for weeks on end ? Did they even keep in contact with you what the delay is about ? If not just give away their slots. Many others are interested.
Title: 104 US ANSI Double shot replacements for Filco Order
Post by: woody on Wed, 03 November 2010, 06:29:17
Quote from: Hak Foo;241906
Can someone explain the appeal of the Filco ... Why don't people buy (or at least when they could) a G80 instead, with keycaps that last?

I couldn't find where to buy the flavour of G80-3000 that I wanted. Also, the manufacture quality of Filco is much better than Cherry. Last but not least - Filco has tenkeyless.

Cherry make nice switches, but their keyboard department has oddities.
________
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Title: 104 US ANSI Double shot replacements for Filco Order
Post by: Moogle Stiltzkin on Wed, 03 November 2010, 06:46:44
Quote from: woody;242012
I couldn't find where to buy the flavour of G80-3000 that I wanted. Also, the manufacture quality of Filco is much better than Cherry. Last but not least - Filco has tenkeyless.

Cherry make nice switches, but their keyboard department has oddities.

Any of the G80-3000 have double shots with NKRO ?
Title: 104 US ANSI Double shot replacements for Filco Order
Post by: Megaweapon on Wed, 03 November 2010, 08:41:18
Quote from: Hak Foo;241906
Why don't people buy (or at least when they could) a G80 instead, with keycaps that last?  It seems no worse than a 2kro Filco.


Maybe because the only g80's I've seen available in the wild were POS keyboards with credit card readers built into them.  That might be fine for some people, but IMO (unless you're actually into magstrips) it crosses the geek/dork divide.
Title: 104 US ANSI Double shot replacements for Filco Order
Post by: Moogle Stiltzkin on Wed, 03 November 2010, 10:57:04
Quote from: ripster;242053
Wow, Ducky won't ship until December?

Plenty of time to read the Geekhack Wikis. (http://geekhack.org/showwiki.php?title=START+HERE+--+The+Geekhack+Mechanical+Keyboard+Guide+-+Includes+Glossary+and+Links#LINKS)

Yeah December. I swapped slots with someone because Walrus got news Ducky Channel is selling the pbt version after all :X I ordered the palm rest + pbt keyboard bundle. The keys i will replace with double shots will be everything except the led lighted keys, and function keys :} I'll take some pictures and post here around December -.-;

Done all that reading on the wiki :/

Don't worry i just bought the latest Robert Jordan Towers of midnight novel to keep me occupied till then.

The problem is .... i'm already a third of the way finished through the book !!! Reading marathon :laser:



Quote from: Megaweapon;242052
Maybe because the only g80's I've seen available in the wild were POS keyboards with credit card readers built into them.  That might be fine for some people, but IMO (unless you're actually into magstrips) it crosses the geek/dork divide.

I agree. Also doesn't it add to the cost for unnecessary features ??
Title: 104 US ANSI Double shot replacements for Filco Order
Post by: MissileMike on Wed, 03 November 2010, 12:17:04
Quote from: Hak Foo;241906
Can someone explain the appeal of the Filco, especially the non-NKRO?

Why don't people buy (or at least when they could) a G80 instead, with keycaps that last?  It seems no worse than a 2kro Filco.




The filco is more sturdy, heavier, smaller, more attractive, and has its switches mounted on a plate instead of the pcb mount of the cherry.

You also can't get the g80-3000 very often here in the states.
Title: 104 US ANSI Double shot replacements for Filco Order
Post by: MissileMike on Wed, 03 November 2010, 12:25:55
Agree, if you like blues, it's the best bang/buck.
Title: 104 US ANSI Double shot replacements for Filco Order
Post by: WhiteRice on Wed, 03 November 2010, 16:57:01
(http://zachwang.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/11/keycapTracking11.jpg)
Title: 104 US ANSI Double shot replacements for Filco Order
Post by: phate408 on Wed, 03 November 2010, 17:12:47
Quote from: WhiteRice;242262
Show Image
(http://zachwang.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/11/keycapTracking11.jpg)


They're in Bellingham? :o I almost went to Bellingham for Halloween (One of my friends goes to school there.)
Title: 104 US ANSI Double shot replacements for Filco Order
Post by: zefrer on Wed, 03 November 2010, 17:17:15
Oh look what's this (http://www.zizanio.de/eshop.php?action=article_detail&s_supplier_aid=405459&position=5&anzahl_treffer=9)?

German layout, change keycaps if you want.
Title: 104 US ANSI Double shot replacements for Filco Order
Post by: British on Wed, 03 November 2010, 17:40:35
Quote from: zefrer;242269
Oh look what's this (http://www.zizanio.de/eshop.php?action=article_detail&s_supplier_aid=405459&position=5&anzahl_treffer=9)?

German layout, change keycaps if you want.

They'd be lost with that supernumerary key.
Too much things to take into account, their brains aren't wired for that, they'd melt (kind of buffer overflow, without the exploits).
Title: 104 US ANSI Double shot replacements for Filco Order
Post by: zefrer on Wed, 03 November 2010, 17:53:02
Oops deleted by accident XD
Title: 104 US ANSI Double shot replacements for Filco Order
Post by: British on Wed, 03 November 2010, 18:17:47
Quote from: zefrer;242283
Oops deleted by accident XD

Don't worry, my quote won't move.
[Insert maniacal cackles]
Title: 104 US ANSI Double shot replacements for Filco Order
Post by: rantenki on Wed, 03 November 2010, 18:20:21
Twenny Two pounds of KEYCAPS!?

/me is moved to tears.
Title: 104 US ANSI Double shot replacements for Filco Order
Post by: Moogle Stiltzkin on Fri, 05 November 2010, 15:38:21
Quote from: rantenki;242290
Twenny Two pounds of KEYCAPS!?

/me is moved to tears.


*gets behind the truck and helps push :d

Please take some pictures for us once you get them :peep:
Title: 104 US ANSI Double shot replacements for Filco Order
Post by: WhiteRice on Fri, 05 November 2010, 15:41:05
Are you kidding? Of course I will! I'll be swimming in them like Scrooge McDuck.

(http://givemetherock.com/wp-content/uploads/scrooge-mcduck.jpg)
Title: 104 US ANSI Double shot replacements for Filco Order
Post by: 2084 on Fri, 05 November 2010, 17:34:58
I'd also love to take over any unpaid order if the persons not interested in the set anymore.
You can contact me anytime
Title: 104 US ANSI Double shot replacements for Filco Order
Post by: Moogle Stiltzkin on Sun, 07 November 2010, 17:50:24
Any updates :d ?
Title: 104 US ANSI Double shot replacements for Filco Order
Post by: Lanx on Sun, 07 November 2010, 18:20:31
Quote from: Moogle Stiltzkin;243953
Any updates :d ?


Do you really want to receive keycaps before having a board you can use em on? heh, that would suck.
Title: 104 US ANSI Double shot replacements for Filco Order
Post by: WhiteRice on Sun, 07 November 2010, 18:32:02
Quote from: Moogle Stiltzkin;243953
Any updates :d ?
According to the tracking they are schedule to arrive Tuesday.
Title: 104 US ANSI Double shot replacements for Filco Order
Post by: ironman31 on Sun, 07 November 2010, 19:52:11
The sorting should be fun, lol.
Title: 104 US ANSI Double shot replacements for Filco Order
Post by: muchadoaboutnothing on Sun, 07 November 2010, 20:33:16
104 regular keys
2 diamond keys
1 1.75 control
1 capslock
1 geekhack keycap
(not including "surprise item" which may not be a keycap and the international boosters)

= 109 keycaps
* a minimum of 50 orders
=  a minimum of 5,450 keys to sort though.

Although I'm guessing they're not going to be sadists and dump it in one bag. They'll just put all the A keys in one bag, all the space bars in another, et cetera.

That should only take  a couple hours.
Title: 104 US ANSI Double shot replacements for Filco Order
Post by: Sam on Sun, 07 November 2010, 20:50:10
Quote from: muchadoaboutnothing;244031
That should only take  a couple hours.


Until you get to the end and find there's one extra 'M', and one missing 'R'.  So need to go back through all of them to find where the mistake is.
Title: 104 US ANSI Double shot replacements for Filco Order
Post by: nanu on Sun, 07 November 2010, 21:05:53
Sorting them is an interesting problem. Lock the room, do 7 sets at once, going in layout order, repeating 7 times, and reserve the remains for the last guy to pay.
Title: 104 US ANSI Double shot replacements for Filco Order
Post by: muchadoaboutnothing on Sun, 07 November 2010, 21:06:08
Quote from: Sam;244045
Until you get to the end and find there's one extra 'M', and one missing 'R'.  So need to go back through all of them to find where the mistake is.

I was going to make an "all those extra pieces" remark, but I thought it'd be in poor taste.

Simple solution: Print a scale 1x1 keyboard layout on paper (spanning multiple pages is OK) and then extras on the side.

Do one set at a time, then bag them/box them as you ensure each set is good.

Anyhow, as long as he uses some organized system (maybe marking the bags ONE or TWO - some keys come in pairs) and takes things slow but steady, he should be fine.

Again, there's no reason for Signature to be ****s. They didn't collate (extra $$$), and the only logical way to manufacture is to do one keycap (e.x. A, CTRL, ALT, etc.) at a time. Bag 'em by key.

50 sets? Quick to filter if you're reasonably careful.
Title: 104 US ANSI Double shot replacements for Filco Order
Post by: nanu on Sun, 07 November 2010, 21:15:06
On second thought, the first thing to do may be to take pictures, which includes populating a keyboard...
Title: 104 US ANSI Double shot replacements for Filco Order
Post by: sixty on Sun, 07 November 2010, 21:16:56
When the Korean guys got their orders a few were messed up too. Some people had double F2 and F3 keys or F1 instead of 1 and stuff like that. Mistakes are likely going to happen, everyone is human.
Title: 104 US ANSI Double shot replacements for Filco Order
Post by: WhiteRice on Sun, 07 November 2010, 21:22:35
Quote from: sixty;244057
When the Korean guys got their orders a few were messed up too. Some people had double F2 and F3 keys or F1 instead of 1 and stuff like that. Mistakes are likely going to happen, everyone is human.
I AM A KEY COLLATING MACHINE *BEEP* *BOOP*

lol
Title: 104 US ANSI Double shot replacements for Filco Order
Post by: muchadoaboutnothing on Sun, 07 November 2010, 23:31:31
I have a crazy idea.

EDIT: Apparently not crazy, KBDMania did it first.
Title: 104 US ANSI Double shot replacements for Filco Order
Post by: hoggy on Mon, 08 November 2010, 00:39:16
Well if there are mistakes, I'm sure we can sort it out amongst ourselves.

Like trading stuff at school all over again...
Title: 104 US ANSI Double shot replacements for Filco Order
Post by: sixty on Mon, 08 November 2010, 03:18:57
Again, Koreans are ahead of us.
Copyright by Leaf@kbdmania:

(http://imgur.com/pfXNF.jpg)

┐(╢~`)┌ I dunno, lol
Title: 104 US ANSI Double shot replacements for Filco Order
Post by: 7bit on Mon, 08 November 2010, 03:55:36
Quote from: muchadoaboutnothing;244052
I was going to make an "all those extra pieces" remark, but I thought it'd be in poor taste.

Simple solution: Print a scale 1x1 keyboard layout on paper (spanning multiple pages is OK) and then extras on the side.

Do one set at a time, then bag them/box them as you ensure each set is good.

...


Great idea!

@WhiteRice: you should print as many sheets as key-cap-sets with a serial number on them. After finishing one set, take a photo of it, then pack all caps into a plastic bag including the sheet. If you end up with 2 F-s and no E, you just have to look at the pictures to find the set where you placed those 2 E-s in.

You can also do the quality-check by emploing some OCR-software ...
Title: 104 US ANSI Double shot replacements for Filco Order
Post by: woody on Mon, 08 November 2010, 04:17:43
Poor Uncle Wang ...
Title: 104 US ANSI Double shot replacements for Filco Order
Post by: Fwiffo on Tue, 09 November 2010, 09:31:09
Today is the day! LOL OMG WTF BBQ!
Title: 104 US ANSI Double shot replacements for Filco Order
Post by: WhiteRice on Tue, 09 November 2010, 09:55:11
(http://zachwang.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/11/deliv.jpg)

:D
Title: 104 US ANSI Double shot replacements for Filco Order
Post by: MissileMike on Tue, 09 November 2010, 10:33:52
They'rrrrrrrrrre herrrrrrrreeeee!

Please set up your Canon Rebel ahead of time.
Title: 104 US ANSI Double shot replacements for Filco Order
Post by: muchadoaboutnothing on Tue, 09 November 2010, 10:39:56
Quote from: WhiteRice;244614
Show Image
(http://zachwang.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/11/deliv.jpg)


:D


Please send my my keycaps first! :D

I shall now obliterate any chance I have of this by criticizing your use of JPG for a screenshot.

(http://imgur.com/lvrNv.png)
Title: 104 US ANSI Double shot replacements for Filco Order
Post by: muchadoaboutnothing on Tue, 09 November 2010, 10:56:32
Quote from: ripster;244623
Hahaha - the comic is of course in PNG.

Any fuzziness in the real keys you can blame on JPG.

Compression artifacts are always present in JPG, but in images that use a wide variety of colors, it isn't noticeable and is much more space efficient.

When screenshots are taken, it's generally a few colors. PNG usually not only wins on quality, but filesize too.
Title: 104 US ANSI Double shot replacements for Filco Order
Post by: sixty on Tue, 09 November 2010, 11:08:35

(sound required)
Title: 104 US ANSI Double shot replacements for Filco Order
Post by: WhiteRice on Tue, 09 November 2010, 11:18:54
You just gave me a good idea. Do you think there is enough room in a small flat rate USPS box to do that?
Title: 104 US ANSI Double shot replacements for Filco Order
Post by: Daniel Beaver on Tue, 09 November 2010, 11:26:44
I'm heading out to the hardware store to buy double-stick carpet tape immediately. Last time I took off my Filco Otaku keys, it was hell to figure out how to put them back on.
Title: 104 US ANSI Double shot replacements for Filco Order
Post by: muchadoaboutnothing on Tue, 09 November 2010, 11:50:13
Quote from: Daniel Beaver;244637
I'm heading out to the hardware store to buy double-stick carpet tape immediately. Last time I took off my Filco Otaku keys, it was hell to figure out how to put them back on.

They are labeled with the row number underneath...

I won't deny that I made a mistake last time I popped my Filco Otaku keys off though. Great idea rip.

(http://imgur.com/SwbRK.jpg)
Title: 104 US ANSI Double shot replacements for Filco Order
Post by: WhiteRice on Tue, 09 November 2010, 13:53:19
Hay guys I heard you liek keycapz

(http://zachwang.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/11/CIMG0990.jpg)
(http://zachwang.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/11/CIMG0993.jpg)
(http://zachwang.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/11/longTableIsLong.jpg)
Title: 104 US ANSI Double shot replacements for Filco Order
Post by: Lanx on Tue, 09 November 2010, 13:59:08
Quote from: ripster;244643
I'm going to post a "Cherry MX Key Removal Guide" in the mods section too so nobody breaks their stabilizers/keys.

Sometimes I worry about you guys......

I removed all the cherry keys on my g80 (that i'm using to mod right now) all with the help of
a butter knife
a philips flat head

pretty sure i removed all the keys in under 2mins.

just pay attention to the larger keys is all. I think it's also pretty hard to break a cherry stabilizer, if anything ppl just "pop" em out w/o knowing it.
Title: 104 US ANSI Double shot replacements for Filco Order
Post by: Pylon on Tue, 09 November 2010, 14:01:52
Quote from: ripster;244623
Hahaha - the comic is of course in PNG.

Any fuzziness in the real keys you can blame on JPG.
Show Image
(http://imgur.com/rJLpu.jpg)


The smaller lettering looks an awful bit like Comic Sans...must be that JPEG stuff...

Quote from: sixty;244630

(sound required)


Go Unicomp!
Title: 104 US ANSI Double shot replacements for Filco Order
Post by: Fwiffo on Tue, 09 November 2010, 14:04:08
Quote from: ripster;244668
I would prefer only female virgin hands to handle mine.

I'm not tied to any sort of antiquated Victorian mores. I presume strippers will be packing mine?
Title: 104 US ANSI Double shot replacements for Filco Order
Post by: muchadoaboutnothing on Tue, 09 November 2010, 14:06:27
"Wanna switch" on the keycap puller? Nice touch.

Wonder why they don't doubleshoot that.

By the way, I'll be quite upset if you don't mail my keycaps first. More upset than this guy:

Title: 104 US ANSI Double shot replacements for Filco Order
Post by: itlnstln on Tue, 09 November 2010, 14:13:47
It should be done by post count in descending order.
Title: 104 US ANSI Double shot replacements for Filco Order
Post by: phate408 on Tue, 09 November 2010, 14:14:01
It's... beautiful.

I'm excited :P
Title: 104 US ANSI Double shot replacements for Filco Order
Post by: zefrer on Tue, 09 November 2010, 14:15:49
Haha itlnstln. Lovely caps :)
Title: 104 US ANSI Double shot replacements for Filco Order
Post by: woody on Tue, 09 November 2010, 14:17:24
M-m-m, double-shots! Kinda bad I'm not getting them ...

But it reminds me of a joke: (sorry for lousy attempt at translation)

Two German spies are planted in England during WWII. They are highly trained and they speak with perfect British accent. Just like everybody else, they go to the local pub after work.
  - Two gins, please.
  - Dry gin?
  - Nein, zwei, zwei!
Title: 104 US ANSI Double shot replacements for Filco Order
Post by: muchadoaboutnothing on Tue, 09 November 2010, 14:23:26
Quote from: itlnstln;244685
It should be done by post count in descending order.


Or geographic proximity to WhiteRice.

Since, you know, I could visit WhiteRice on Friday if I don't get my keycaps... :bolt:
Title: 104 US ANSI Double shot replacements for Filco Order
Post by: itlnstln on Tue, 09 November 2010, 14:26:19
Quote from: muchadoaboutnothing;244693
Or geographic proximity to WhiteRice.

Since, you know, I could visit WhiteRice on Friday if I don't get my keycaps... :bolt:


Why don't you just do that.  That way, you can help him get my caps in the mail.
Title: 104 US ANSI Double shot replacements for Filco Order
Post by: pipedream on Tue, 09 November 2010, 14:36:45
Oh man I hope I get my keys before dreamhack!
Title: 104 US ANSI Double shot replacements for Filco Order
Post by: muchadoaboutnothing on Tue, 09 November 2010, 14:46:34
Priority mail to Sweden is 6-10 business days (http://ircalc.usps.gov/MailServices.aspx?country=10411&m=13&p=0&o=1&mt=10) so there's a decent chance if WhiteRice gets them out on Thursday (and this is the dreamhack you refer to (http://www.dreamhack.se/splash/)).

If WhiteRice mails Thursday
Friday 11/12= 1st business day
Saturday (N/A)
Sunday (N/A)
Monday 11/15 = 2nd business day
Tuesday 11/16 = 3rd
Wednesday 11/17 = 4th
Thursday 11/18 = 5th
Friday 11/19 = 6th
Saturday 11/20 N/A
Sunday 11/21 N/A
Monday 11/22 = 7th
Tuesday 11/23 = 8th
Wednesday 11/24 = 9th
Thursday 11/25 = 10th
Title: 104 US ANSI Double shot replacements for Filco Order
Post by: woody on Tue, 09 November 2010, 14:49:16
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=txlXcJDtDwM
Title: 104 US ANSI Double shot replacements for Filco Order
Post by: muchadoaboutnothing on Tue, 09 November 2010, 14:50:42
Quote from: woody;244707
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=txlXcJDtDwM


If you do

[noparse]
[/noparse]

It becomes

Title: 104 US ANSI Double shot replacements for Filco Order
Post by: MissileMike on Tue, 09 November 2010, 14:59:11
I expect a tracking number within 2-3 minutes from making this post.
Title: 104 US ANSI Double shot replacements for Filco Order
Post by: 7bit on Tue, 09 November 2010, 15:14:45
Quote from: MissileMike;244711
I expect a tracking number within 2-3 minutes from making this post.


Your Tracking Number is:
56892369106543026543260646438230865430265784325439265784329

@WhiteRice:
Don't spit at the key caps!
Don't touch the key caps without gloves!
Don't scratch the key caps![1]
Don't employ prisoners, go for the gogo girls![2]
Don't forget to take pictures![3]

[1] Pack each of the caps into a separate plastic bag!
[2] They must be naked for sure; cloth scratches the keycaps!
[3] We sent you enough money, so you can get a Nikon D3x to take hi-res pics.[4]
[4] Don't forget to take some closeups!
Title: 104 US ANSI Double shot replacements for Filco Order
Post by: itlnstln on Tue, 09 November 2010, 15:28:21
I want mine delivered with the stripper that packed them.  In fact, you could save money if you also used her for packing material.  Works for drug smugglers.
Title: 104 US ANSI Double shot replacements for Filco Order
Post by: muchadoaboutnothing on Tue, 09 November 2010, 16:03:31
Quote from: itlnstln;244717
I want mine delivered with the stripper that packed them.  In fact, you could save money if you also used her for packing material.  Works for drug smugglers.

That won't happen, but WhiteRice will send this guy to your house.

(http://imgur.com/YGy06.jpg)
Title: 104 US ANSI Double shot replacements for Filco Order
Post by: 7bit on Tue, 09 November 2010, 16:23:53
Quote from: muchadoaboutnothing;244727
That won't happen, but WhiteRice will send this guy to your house.

Show Image
(http://imgur.com/YGy06.jpg)


OMG!

Is anybody interested in my 2 sets?

You can have them for free!
Title: 104 US ANSI Double shot replacements for Filco Order
Post by: Moogle Stiltzkin on Tue, 09 November 2010, 16:55:56
Nice pics whiterice. I feel more confident having ordered a set of these :D
Title: 104 US ANSI Double shot replacements for Filco Order
Post by: keyboardlover on Tue, 09 November 2010, 17:54:35
Are these suitable replacements for any cherry keyboard? What about Rosewill?
Title: 104 US ANSI Double shot replacements for Filco Order
Post by: Moogle Stiltzkin on Tue, 09 November 2010, 19:32:32
Rippy,

in your screenshot you showed the spring popping out !!

Are you saying even with cherry stabilizers, your not suppose to pull them straight using the keycap puller ?

(http://geekhack.org/attachment.php?attachmentid=4069&stc=1&d=1251309726)

*still reading the guide haven't finished
Title: 104 US ANSI Double shot replacements for Filco Order
Post by: TexasFlood on Tue, 09 November 2010, 19:40:36
Quote from: WhiteRice;244665
Hay guys I heard you liek keycapz

Show Image
(http://zachwang.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/11/CIMG0993.jpg)

Wow, that looks like quite a sorting job...
(http://www.technovelgy.com/graphics/content07/postal-robot-mibII.jpg)
Title: 104 US ANSI Double shot replacements for Filco Order
Post by: nanu on Tue, 09 November 2010, 20:14:57
whiterice why is your table top marked off with black tape is that your gameplan for sorting keycaps
Title: 104 US ANSI Double shot replacements for Filco Order
Post by: RoboKrikit on Tue, 09 November 2010, 20:22:30
Don't do what nanu did.  At least he was able to find his space bar!
Title: 104 US ANSI Double shot replacements for Filco Order
Post by: TexasFlood on Tue, 09 November 2010, 21:05:03
Quote from: ripster;244799
Men In Black!

It's a classic.
Not a valid youtube URL
Title: 104 US ANSI Double shot replacements for Filco Order
Post by: TexasFlood on Tue, 09 November 2010, 21:41:45
Quote from: ripster;244799
Men In Black!

It's a classic.
Not a valid youtube URL
Title: 104 US ANSI Double shot replacements for Filco Order
Post by: WhiteRice on Wed, 10 November 2010, 00:10:42
I got through like 80% of the keys. To finish and QC might take all of tomorrow. I'll let you guys know how things are going.
Title: 104 US ANSI Double shot replacements for Filco Order
Post by: WhiteRice on Wed, 10 November 2010, 00:32:05
Quote from: nanu;244802
whiterice why is your table top marked off with black tape is that your gameplan for sorting keycaps
That's just a dark inlay on the table.
Title: 104 US ANSI Double shot replacements for Filco Order
Post by: Lanx on Wed, 10 November 2010, 02:28:44
lol if it were me doing this, i'd have told ppl that I received the package 3 days later to ward off the xmas present can't wait crowd.
Title: 104 US ANSI Double shot replacements for Filco Order
Post by: Moogle Stiltzkin on Wed, 10 November 2010, 07:02:46
Any new pics of one full set of the keys :D
Title: 104 US ANSI Double shot replacements for Filco Order
Post by: MissileMike on Wed, 10 November 2010, 07:47:16
Yeah that's a good idea.  White can you put a full set on your own keyboard and post a photo?
Title: 104 US ANSI Double shot replacements for Filco Order
Post by: 7bit on Wed, 10 November 2010, 10:46:26
Quote from: MissileMike;244883
Yeah that's a good idea.  White can you put a full set on your own keyboard and post a photo?


No, get the key sets to the post office first!

Don't ship the key-caps! Air-mail them!

ps: Don't forget the pics of the key-caps-collation-girls!
Title: 104 US ANSI Double shot replacements for Filco Order
Post by: zefrer on Wed, 10 November 2010, 11:07:25
Quote
ps: Don't forget the pics of the key-caps-collation-girls!

But I thought they would personally deliver them.
Title: 104 US ANSI Double shot replacements for Filco Order
Post by: muchadoaboutnothing on Wed, 10 November 2010, 11:50:49
Quote from: 7bit;244988
Don't ship the key-caps! Air-mail them!

$14 shipping for internationals and WhiteRice ordering so many boxes points to Priority Mail International (formerly called Airmail Parcel Post) Flat Rate.
Title: 104 US ANSI Double shot replacements for Filco Order
Post by: zefrer on Wed, 10 November 2010, 12:23:28
Ah, UPS girls. I have heard of this mythical creature. It is as elusive as the wild firetruck and as easily spooked. None have been spotted in the wild where I'm from sadly. The girls neither.

Title: 104 US ANSI Double shot replacements for Filco Order
Post by: Rally Man on Wed, 10 November 2010, 15:03:55
Quote from: zefrer;244999
But I thought they would personally deliver them.

He better, I was getting ready with my negligee.
Title: 104 US ANSI Double shot replacements for Filco Order
Post by: WhiteRice on Wed, 10 November 2010, 17:29:37
QC is over 2/3rds done. Pretty tedious process going through each set, that's why it's been taking so long.
Title: 104 US ANSI Double shot replacements for Filco Order
Post by: Moogle Stiltzkin on Wed, 10 November 2010, 19:12:29
Quote from: ripster;245199
All I ask is you wash your hands after going to the toilet.


Now he is going to send your keyset last :bolt:
Title: 104 US ANSI Double shot replacements for Filco Order
Post by: WhiteRice on Wed, 10 November 2010, 22:27:11
I've been wearing a diaper to maximize efficiency.

(http://zachwang.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/11/CIMG0997.jpg)
Title: 104 US ANSI Double shot replacements for Filco Order
Post by: squarebox on Wed, 10 November 2010, 22:33:11
Surprise item SPOTTED

Orange keycap puller???
Title: 104 US ANSI Double shot replacements for Filco Order
Post by: jmpespxoreax on Wed, 10 November 2010, 22:52:36
Definitely count me in for this next time it happens.
Title: 104 US ANSI Double shot replacements for Filco Order
Post by: muchadoaboutnothing on Wed, 10 November 2010, 22:53:09
Quote from: squarebox;245274
Surprise item SPOTTED

Orange keycap puller???


It was mentioned on the invoice on the outside of the Signature Plastics box. Orange, with pad printed "wanna switch?" on the side.
Title: 104 US ANSI Double shot replacements for Filco Order
Post by: Moogle Stiltzkin on Wed, 10 November 2010, 23:23:28
Good. One keycap puller with my ducky, and another with these extra keycaps. Gonna need 2 to pull out the spacebar :D just nice.
Title: 104 US ANSI Double shot replacements for Filco Order
Post by: WhiteRice on Thu, 11 November 2010, 00:06:38
I have a quarter of the orders packed up & ready to be shipped tomorrow. Hopefully I can get another quarter done before I leave for the post office.

You should be receiving some tracking info via USPS.

I will be creating a list a members whose packages have shipped.
Title: 104 US ANSI Double shot replacements for Filco Order
Post by: ironman31 on Thu, 11 November 2010, 00:10:23
And the excitement continues
Title: 104 US ANSI Double shot replacements for Filco Order
Post by: WhiteRice on Thu, 11 November 2010, 00:56:24
Instead of going to bed, I decided to finally try out the set.

(http://zachwang.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/11/IMG_0189.jpg)

This picture doesn't really do them justice. You guys will just have to wait and see for yourselves.
Title: 104 US ANSI Double shot replacements for Filco Order
Post by: RoboKrikit on Thu, 11 November 2010, 01:22:26
Those look really great.  Can't wait!
Title: 104 US ANSI Double shot replacements for Filco Order
Post by: woody on Thu, 11 November 2010, 02:16:01
How do they feel, compared to Filco's keycaps?
Title: 104 US ANSI Double shot replacements for Filco Order
Post by: thcyash on Thu, 11 November 2010, 02:28:39
wohoooo :whoo:
Title: 104 US ANSI Double shot replacements for Filco Order
Post by: squarebox on Thu, 11 November 2010, 02:48:50
WhiteRice, Thank you for making this possible!
It looks so good that i need to repost :biggrin:

(http://zachwang.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/11/IMG_0189.jpg)

The lightining made the orange geekhack look so bad.
But i still prefer the conventional red esc
Title: 104 US ANSI Double shot replacements for Filco Order
Post by: chet0 on Thu, 11 November 2010, 03:09:19
It looks really nice!@!!! Can't wait to get mine.

Thanks Rice for doing all of this :)
Title: 104 US ANSI Double shot replacements for Filco Order
Post by: keyboardlover on Thu, 11 November 2010, 07:58:29
Got my shipping confirmation. Danke whiterice!
Title: 104 US ANSI Double shot replacements for Filco Order
Post by: muchadoaboutnothing on Thu, 11 November 2010, 08:02:09
Well, it hasn't really shipped yet as far as I can tell. WhiteRice has the labels set and told the post office to expect the packages today.

Quote from: The United States Postal Service
The U.S. Postal Service was electronically notified by the shipper on November 10, 2010 to expect your package for mailing. This does not indicate receipt by the USPS or the actual mailing date. Delivery status information will be provided if / when available. Information, if available, is updated periodically throughout the day. Please check again later.
Title: 104 US ANSI Double shot replacements for Filco Order
Post by: keyboardlover on Thu, 11 November 2010, 08:18:35
Yea I just meant that I got my confirmation that they'll be shipped today.
Sorry if I made anyone go crazy ;)

Edit: What keyboard (if any) is easiest to replace these keycaps on? I may purchase a cherry keyboard, just to use these =)
Title: 104 US ANSI Double shot replacements for Filco Order
Post by: WhiteRice on Thu, 11 November 2010, 10:48:29
Quote from: keyboardlover;245345
Yea I just meant that I got my confirmation that they'll be shipped today.
Sorry if I made anyone go crazy ;)

Edit: What keyboard (if any) is easiest to replace these keycaps on? I may purchase a cherry keyboard, just to use these =)
Anything with cherry stabilizers is a breeze. They just pop on and off.
Title: 104 US ANSI Double shot replacements for Filco Order
Post by: WhiteRice on Thu, 11 November 2010, 10:49:52
Quote from: woody;245295
How do they feel, compared to Filco's keycaps?
They have a nice texture and the double shot nature means you don't feel any pad printing.

Pretty great!
Title: 104 US ANSI Double shot replacements for Filco Order
Post by: keyboardlover on Thu, 11 November 2010, 11:57:22
For me 6 KRO is pretty important anyway, so the G80 is not an option (and I wouldn't get the cherry red version anyway).
Title: 104 US ANSI Double shot replacements for Filco Order
Post by: MissileMike on Thu, 11 November 2010, 12:10:19
Quote from: keyboardlover;245427
For me 6 KRO is pretty important anyway, so the G80 is not an option (and I wouldn't get the cherry red version anyway).


If cherry blues are okay with you, the Rosewill is a great option, assuming newegg gets them back in stock.
Title: 104 US ANSI Double shot replacements for Filco Order
Post by: WhiteRice on Thu, 11 November 2010, 13:38:30
Today is veterans' day post office is closed
Title: 104 US ANSI Double shot replacements for Filco Order
Post by: Moogle Stiltzkin on Thu, 11 November 2010, 13:46:14
Quote from: WhiteRice;245485
Today is veterans' day post office is closed


(http://thxforthe.info/blog/wp-content/uploads/2008/12/****-yeah.jpg)


:pout:
Title: 104 US ANSI Double shot replacements for Filco Order
Post by: didjamatic on Thu, 11 November 2010, 14:08:43
Those keys look fantastic!  I love the Vintage big font size!
Title: 104 US ANSI Double shot replacements for Filco Order
Post by: RoboKrikit on Thu, 11 November 2010, 15:39:31
Feel free to post more keyboard pr0n.

[Insert joke about double shots and how they don't come like that anymore.]
Title: 104 US ANSI Double shot replacements for Filco Order
Post by: woody on Thu, 11 November 2010, 16:24:05
Quote from: WhiteRice;245393
They have a nice texture and the double shot nature means you don't feel any pad printing.

Pretty great!

What about the sound and the overall feedback (haptic??) when pressing the keys? I mean, if the keycap's weight and resonance has changed a bit, does this lead to perceptible differences? Mostly on MX blues.
Title: 104 US ANSI Double shot replacements for Filco Order
Post by: squarebox on Thu, 11 November 2010, 18:22:55
WhiteRice, mind taking a shot with the stepped Capslock on?
Title: 104 US ANSI Double shot replacements for Filco Order
Post by: WhiteRice on Thu, 11 November 2010, 21:05:28
squarebox, the stepped capslock is for cherry keyboard compatibility. The stem is off center.

(http://zachwang.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/11/CIMG0999.jpg)

I will be shipping them out tomorrow when the post office opens. Sorry about the delay guys.
Title: 104 US ANSI Double shot replacements for Filco Order
Post by: squarebox on Thu, 11 November 2010, 21:33:33
Quote from: WhiteRice;245737
squarebox, the stepped capslock is for cherry keyboard compatibility. The stem is off center.

I will be shipping them out tomorrow when the post office opens. Sorry about the delay guys.


NOOOOO!!!!!!! :Cry:

How come ur Caplocks is a Control key?
Title: 104 US ANSI Double shot replacements for Filco Order
Post by: ironman31 on Thu, 11 November 2010, 21:35:30
Because Caps lock is useless
Title: 104 US ANSI Double shot replacements for Filco Order
Post by: WhiteRice on Thu, 11 November 2010, 21:45:12
(http://zachwang.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/11/CIMG1001.jpg)
(http://zachwang.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/11/CIMG1005.jpg)
Title: 104 US ANSI Double shot replacements for Filco Order
Post by: ironman31 on Thu, 11 November 2010, 21:46:00
:O, I see an eyelash... make a wish


edit: on second thought, that was a little weird....lol
Title: 104 US ANSI Double shot replacements for Filco Order
Post by: HaaTa on Thu, 11 November 2010, 21:46:42
Quote from: ironman31;245752
Because Caps lock is useless

Yes, though, Ctrl is plenty more useful.

Damn, I can't believe I missed out on this. Oh well, I really can't afford it atm anyways.
Title: 104 US ANSI Double shot replacements for Filco Order
Post by: Moogle Stiltzkin on Thu, 11 November 2010, 22:13:37
(http://zachwang.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/11/CIMG1005.jpg)

It seriously looks like that underneath ? Doesn't look cleanly done :/
Title: 104 US ANSI Double shot replacements for Filco Order
Post by: fssbzz on Thu, 11 November 2010, 22:16:46
Quote from: Moogle Stiltzkin;245763

It seriously looks like that underneath ? Doesn't look cleanly done :/



is 2 Plastic molded together.
it looks better on regular key cap.
just not the on the bigger key.
who will want to look at your underneath?
Title: 104 US ANSI Double shot replacements for Filco Order
Post by: Fwiffo on Thu, 11 November 2010, 22:18:09
That's the way double-shots are made. How often do you look at the underside of your keys?
Title: 104 US ANSI Double shot replacements for Filco Order
Post by: Daniel Beaver on Thu, 11 November 2010, 22:23:49
That is fairly typical of doublshots. You'll get a bit of flash overlapping onto the two plastic bits during injections molding. You never see that potion of the keys anyways, so there is no particular reason to ensure a "clean" fusion between the white and black portions of the keys on the inside. The outside is a completely different story, and the molds are designed to ensure a very defined border with the text.
Title: 104 US ANSI Double shot replacements for Filco Order
Post by: Moogle Stiltzkin on Thu, 11 November 2010, 22:25:48
Quote from: Fwiffo;245766
That's the way double-shots are made. How often do you look at the underside of your keys?


Fair enough. I'm just surprised that is all :/

I've seen the regular doubleshot caps pics, but never the big ones :x
Title: 104 US ANSI Double shot replacements for Filco Order
Post by: fssbzz on Thu, 11 November 2010, 22:27:49
i bet u going to get your key cap before your kb lol
MO#2 is delayed. i bet it will happen to MO#3 too.
Title: 104 US ANSI Double shot replacements for Filco Order
Post by: WhiteRice on Thu, 11 November 2010, 22:29:00
Quote from: fssbzz;245772
i bet u going to get your key cap before your kb lol
MO#2 is delayed. i bet it will happen to MO#3 too.
In your AV... that's not a real person. Is it?
Title: 104 US ANSI Double shot replacements for Filco Order
Post by: Moogle Stiltzkin on Thu, 11 November 2010, 22:29:31
Quote from: fssbzz;245772
i bet u going to get your key cap before your kb lol
MO#2 is delayed. i bet it will happen to MO#3 too.


God i hope not. That would spoil Christmas :{


@whiterice

It's fssbzz :love:
Title: 104 US ANSI Double shot replacements for Filco Order
Post by: fssbzz on Thu, 11 November 2010, 22:30:03
Quote from: WhiteRice;245774
In your AV... that's not a real person. Is it?


she is..
her name is Serina Hayakawa. :love:
Title: 104 US ANSI Double shot replacements for Filco Order
Post by: WhiteRice on Thu, 11 November 2010, 22:31:30
Quote from: fssbzz;245777
she is..
her name is Serina Hayakawa. :love:
I just a did google image search... oh my
Title: 104 US ANSI Double shot replacements for Filco Order
Post by: Moogle Stiltzkin on Thu, 11 November 2010, 22:31:51
Quote from: fssbzz;245777
she is..
her name is Serina Hayakawa. :love:


Actress ? Singer ??

o_O; looks like a supermodel.
Title: 104 US ANSI Double shot replacements for Filco Order
Post by: fssbzz on Thu, 11 November 2010, 22:32:42
Quote from: Moogle Stiltzkin;245776
God i hope not. That would spoil Christmas :{




god, go and get Steelseries 6Gv2 first..u wont regret..they are pretty good kb.
just their key cap suck. but they are everywhere in msia.
or Gigabyte GK-k8000, pretty sure that some1 sell that in lowyat
Title: 104 US ANSI Double shot replacements for Filco Order
Post by: fssbzz on Thu, 11 November 2010, 22:33:20
Quote from: WhiteRice;245778
I just a did google image search... oh my


pretty isn't it?
:flypig:
Title: 104 US ANSI Double shot replacements for Filco Order
Post by: panda-R on Thu, 11 November 2010, 23:03:42
are there any extra sets available?
Title: 104 US ANSI Double shot replacements for Filco Order
Post by: squarebox on Thu, 11 November 2010, 23:07:04
Quote from: fssbzz;245780
god, go and get Steelseries 6Gv2 first..u wont regret..they are pretty good kb.
just their key cap suck. but they are everywhere in msia.
or Gigabyte GK-k8000, pretty sure that some1 sell that in lowyat


Getting mine next week :P

Quote from: fssbzz;245781
pretty isn't it?
:flypig:


Yup, pretty xxx...
Title: 104 US ANSI Double shot replacements for Filco Order
Post by: fssbzz on Thu, 11 November 2010, 23:08:30
Quote from: squarebox;245803
Getting mine next week :P

Yup, pretty xxx...


pretty sure Moogle is watching it, and helping himself.
haven't seen his reply yet.
LOL
Title: 104 US ANSI Double shot replacements for Filco Order
Post by: squarebox on Fri, 12 November 2010, 00:47:31
Quote from: fssbzz;245804
pretty sure Moogle is watching it, and helping himself.
haven't seen his reply yet.
LOL


(http://i53.tinypic.com/1z1sqq9.jpg)
Title: 104 US ANSI Double shot replacements for Filco Order
Post by: RoboKrikit on Fri, 12 November 2010, 01:14:54
Quote from: WhiteRice;245778
I just a did google image search... oh my


im 31 and what is this
Title: 104 US ANSI Double shot replacements for Filco Order
Post by: laden3 on Fri, 12 November 2010, 02:14:52
Quote from: RoboKrikit;245824
im 31 and what is this


theories are meaningless when u become experienced with practicals
some people are visual learners while some are kinesthetic learners:biggrin:
Title: 104 US ANSI Double shot replacements for Filco Order
Post by: zefrer on Fri, 12 November 2010, 07:55:29
Kinesthisia. Nice. Never heard of it described as that before :heh:
Title: Ahem; hijacking us back on topic...
Post by: rantenki on Fri, 12 November 2010, 09:36:51
Just got my shipping confirmation link and I cannot wait until WhiteRice drops off the packages at the post office !!!!!!!!11!1!1 eleven.

Also, it appears some of our readers will need some sort of keyboard cleaning assistance in the near future .  Be sure to read the cleaning (http://geekhack.org/showwiki.php?title=All+About+Keys#Cleaning) section of the wiki.
Title: 104 US ANSI Double shot replacements for Filco Order
Post by: muchadoaboutnothing on Fri, 12 November 2010, 10:01:11
How to give up on the OCD with checking the tracking number:

Register a Packagetrackr account (http://packagetrackr.;com), add the tracking number, and check that you want notifications and you'll get an email when
[list=ul]
You can also get tweets or text messages when the above happen, and you can forward emails with tracking numbers in them (change the subject line to whatever you want the package nickname to be) and it'll automatically add it to your account.
Title: 104 US ANSI Double shot replacements for Filco Order
Post by: WhiteRice on Fri, 12 November 2010, 14:26:44
All sets have been posted!
Title: 104 US ANSI Double shot replacements for Filco Order
Post by: MissileMike on Fri, 12 November 2010, 14:29:26
Good job man.  Thanks for all your work for this.
Title: 104 US ANSI Double shot replacements for Filco Order
Post by: Kaishi on Fri, 12 November 2010, 14:43:56
Quote from: WhiteRice;245755
Show Image
(http://zachwang.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/11/CIMG1001.jpg)

Show Image
(http://zachwang.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/11/CIMG1005.jpg)


Will this be a problem for any Filco clones?  Will the control keys only work with Cherry branded keyboards?

I mean, it doesn't matter that much but I'm a little sad.
Title: 104 US ANSI Double shot replacements for Filco Order
Post by: WhiteRice on Fri, 12 November 2010, 14:58:15
The control keys work on filco style board. The stepped caps lock key is the one for cherry boards.
Title: 104 US ANSI Double shot replacements for Filco Order
Post by: muchadoaboutnothing on Fri, 12 November 2010, 15:13:44
Quote from: ripster;246050
I hope you got a free key set or some cash out of this.

If not feel free to keep MuchAdoAboutNothing's keys.


(http://imgur.com/7uoGf.png)

Why must you troll me so, rip?
Title: 104 US ANSI Double shot replacements for Filco Order
Post by: ironman31 on Fri, 12 November 2010, 16:46:48
Thanks whiterice, you handled everything really well. Nice organization
Title: 104 US ANSI Double shot replacements for Filco Order
Post by: WhiteRice on Fri, 12 November 2010, 16:56:08
Hey guys it was no problem. This order wouldn't have been possible without your participation and trust.

Much thanks to those who tipped; my set was covered by your generosity.

I have lots of ideas for keys and sets in the future, but for the time being I'm going to take it easy and enjoy typing on these keys!
Title: 104 US ANSI Double shot replacements for Filco Order
Post by: Moogle Stiltzkin on Fri, 12 November 2010, 18:18:55
Thx whiterice. Can pm me my tracking number :D ??

I'd tip you too but i'm poor :{ but anyway thx for doing this bulk. Really appreciate whiterice for doing it, and Woody for giving me his slot.
Title: 104 US ANSI Double shot replacements for Filco Order
Post by: fssbzz on Fri, 12 November 2010, 20:35:19
hey ,if u have any extra key set, i might take it. :)
Title: 104 US ANSI Double shot replacements for Filco Order
Post by: quadibloc on Fri, 12 November 2010, 20:51:00
Not having a FILCO keyboard, I didn't look at this thread... but I am surprised at the good taste shown here! A light gray for the printable character keys - and the letters of the alphabet are in a large size, and centered!

I thought my keyboard color scheme tastes were weird and not shared by many here, but apparently I was wrong, at least in part.
Title: 104 US ANSI Double shot replacements for Filco Order
Post by: Kaishi on Sat, 13 November 2010, 09:53:26
I'm so excited!  It's also  really cool that the total turn-around time on this project has been less than a month and a half.
Title: 104 US ANSI Double shot replacements for Filco Order
Post by: keyboardlover on Sat, 13 November 2010, 13:39:17
WhiteRice - do the doubleshot keys make your Filco sound any different when you type on it?
Title: 104 US ANSI Double shot replacements for Filco Order
Post by: WhiteRice on Sat, 13 November 2010, 16:03:57
I haven't noticed an audible difference. However when I first put them on it felt like the key throw was shorter. After a day or two it doesn't feel any different.

I find myself running my fingers across the keys because I enjoy the texture.

Maybe it's because they're new but in the right light the key seem to sparkle a bit, almost like gun metal.

I look forward to ripster posting photos. His photos always look professional.
Title: 104 US ANSI Double shot replacements for Filco Order
Post by: keyboardlover on Sat, 13 November 2010, 18:11:13
Thanks...anyone know if these keycaps would fit on a Deck?
Title: 104 US ANSI Double shot replacements for Filco Order
Post by: nanu on Sat, 13 November 2010, 18:41:38
I went to http://www.deckkeyboards.com/ and saw the bottom row looking different from a Filco's, so I assume "No."
Title: 104 US ANSI Double shot replacements for Filco Order
Post by: laden3 on Sat, 13 November 2010, 19:26:11
Quote from: WhiteRice;246408
Maybe it's because they're new but in the right light the key seem to sparkle a bit, almost like gun metal.


r they PBT?
Title: 104 US ANSI Double shot replacements for Filco Order
Post by: WhiteRice on Sat, 13 November 2010, 19:55:22
Quote from: laden3;246490
r they pbt?
abs
Title: 104 US ANSI Double shot replacements for Filco Order
Post by: Moogle Stiltzkin on Sat, 13 November 2010, 19:55:43
Quote from: laden3;246490
r they PBT?


I doubt it. It was said much earlier these Signature Plastic keycaps are abs :X
Title: 104 US ANSI Double shot replacements for Filco Order
Post by: Fwiffo on Sat, 13 November 2010, 20:19:26
Their web site says they can make PBT or ABS, though I don't know if there are cost differences or anything. What are the relative merits of one over the other?
Title: 104 US ANSI Double shot replacements for Filco Order
Post by: Moogle Stiltzkin on Sat, 13 November 2010, 20:22:54
put abs into a pot of hot water. It will melt faster than PBT.

abs turns yellow faster than pbt. Abs shines faster than pbt (not sure if pbt will shine, but it won't as fast as abs anyway). Pbt should be kept out of the sun.
Title: 104 US ANSI Double shot replacements for Filco Order
Post by: Moogle Stiltzkin on Sat, 13 November 2010, 20:54:28
Quote
PBT and PET need UV protection if used outdoors, and most grades of these polyesters are flammable, although additives can be used to improve both UV and flammability properties.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Polybutylene_terephthalate



Assploding keycaps :D
Title: 104 US ANSI Double shot replacements for Filco Order
Post by: laden3 on Sat, 13 November 2010, 21:49:09
Quote from: Moogle Stiltzkin;246519
Assploding keycaps :D


Only if they use pure PBT. Isn't there a bony guy who monkeys around with plastics all the time in the forum?
Title: 104 US ANSI Double shot replacements for Filco Order
Post by: WhiteRice on Sat, 13 November 2010, 22:09:55
Quote from: ripster;246500
Did Signature confirm that?

Quote
All of our 2-shot keys are made from ABS material (our tooling is only set up for ABS). Sublimation is done on PBT keys and cannot be done on the front of the keycap.


.
Title: 104 US ANSI Double shot replacements for Filco Order
Post by: Moogle Stiltzkin on Sat, 13 November 2010, 22:25:31
So pbt + smokers dont mix :X add that to the wiki.
Title: 104 US ANSI Double shot replacements for Filco Order
Post by: WhiteRice on Sat, 13 November 2010, 23:31:32
I was just checking tracking numbers. Everything has gone to be processed, and one set has already been delivered.
Title: 104 US ANSI Double shot replacements for Filco Order
Post by: muchadoaboutnothing on Sat, 13 November 2010, 23:35:05
Quote from: WhiteRice;246570
I was just checking tracking numbers. Everything has gone to be processed, and one set has already been delivered.


Must have been very local. I'm only a state over and it hasn't moved a peep since Friday.

(http://imgur.com/jcvH0.png)
Title: 104 US ANSI Double shot replacements for Filco Order
Post by: mrbill on Sun, 14 November 2010, 01:28:04
Quote from: WhiteRice;246570
I was just checking tracking numbers. Everything has gone to be processed, and one set has already been delivered.


Should we have gotten an email or something with our tracking numbers?  I've not seen anything at all.
Title: 104 US ANSI Double shot replacements for Filco Order
Post by: jaynoon on Sun, 14 November 2010, 01:37:42
Quote from: muchadoaboutnothing;246572
Must have been very local. I'm only a state over and it hasn't moved a peep since Friday.



USPS tracking is pretty terrible. I've often seen it not move for days, only to find it delivered at my house.
Title: 104 US ANSI Double shot replacements for Filco Order
Post by: Moogle Stiltzkin on Sun, 14 November 2010, 03:49:52
Or maybe they don't work on weekend :/

Mucha wat is the url your using ? I don't see that google map thingy :/
Title: 104 US ANSI Double shot replacements for Filco Order
Post by: zefrer on Sun, 14 November 2010, 04:26:18
Quote from: Moogle Stiltzkin;246604
Or maybe they don't work on weekend :/

Mucha wat is the url your using ? I don't see that google map thingy :/


It's package tracker (http://www.packagetrackr.com). Nice site. You can forward tracking emails to them and they show up in your account page.
Title: 104 US ANSI Double shot replacements for Filco Order
Post by: muchadoaboutnothing on Sun, 14 November 2010, 11:21:53
Quote from: zefrer;246607
It's package tracker (http://www.packagetrackr.com). Nice site. You can forward tracking emails to them and they show up in your account page.

And they'll email you when it starts moving (if it's just "information received"), when it's out for delivery, when it's delivered, and when there's an exception.

And text message (or SMS if you're pedantic), and Twitter. All you have to do is register an account.

Example email:
(http://imgur.com/s4iFA.png)
Title: 104 US ANSI Double shot replacements for Filco Order
Post by: wap32 on Sun, 14 November 2010, 12:01:45
Quote from: zefrer;246607
It's package tracker (http://www.packagetrackr.com). Nice site. You can forward tracking emails to them and they show up in your account page.


Is it supposed to work for international packages as well?
With my tracking # it just says the info is unavailable, even though I can see it fine on the USPS site.
Title: 104 US ANSI Double shot replacements for Filco Order
Post by: Moogle Stiltzkin on Sun, 14 November 2010, 12:14:42
I tried it on auto detect and just us postal but it can't find it.

But oddly when i use it at this other link it works. What gives ?

http://trkcnfrm1.smi.usps.com/PTSInternetWeb/InterLabelInquiry.do
Title: 104 US ANSI Double shot replacements for Filco Order
Post by: muchadoaboutnothing on Sun, 14 November 2010, 12:49:30
If you're both internatiaonal that may be the cause of it not working. If you switch from Auto-Detect to US Postal Service (4th option on drop down), does it work?

In either case I'd email the PackageTrackr guys. They're pretty responsive to emails.

International Priority Mail #s may be in a slightly or completely different format, which I suspect may be the cause.
Title: 104 US ANSI Double shot replacements for Filco Order
Post by: Moogle Stiltzkin on Sun, 14 November 2010, 13:20:13
Nope not working :{

Anyway i will try email them. Thx.
Title: 104 US ANSI Double shot replacements for Filco Order
Post by: squarebox on Sun, 14 November 2010, 22:13:31
It's moving!!!

(http://i54.tinypic.com/8ych1v.jpg)
Title: 104 US ANSI Double shot replacements for Filco Order
Post by: WhiteRice on Sun, 14 November 2010, 22:54:05
SigPla vs. Cherry vs. Ducky

Profile:
(http://zachwang.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/11/CIMG1010.jpg)

Thickness:
(http://zachwang.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/11/CIMG1012.jpg)

Legend:
(http://zachwang.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/11/CIMG1013.jpg)

I did this to demonstrate something I was thinking about.

I believe that Signature Plastics(SigPla) originally did all their tooling for cherry keyboards. As you know Cherry is a large provider of POS keyboards, and most often you see special key caps on registers.

Ripster, the profile of these caps should feel similar to the ones on your anti-otaku filco. I'm sure you will let us know when you get them.
Title: 104 US ANSI Double shot replacements for Filco Order
Post by: MissileMike on Mon, 15 November 2010, 08:38:49
I am thinking these may actually show up today.  Mine passed through a sort facility 30 minutes from here yesterday.
Title: 104 US ANSI Double shot replacements for Filco Order
Post by: Kaishi on Mon, 15 November 2010, 09:15:39
I didn't get a tracking number. I really want to see when my set will arrive.  Do you have a record of it, WhiteRice?
Title: 104 US ANSI Double shot replacements for Filco Order
Post by: muchadoaboutnothing on Mon, 15 November 2010, 09:18:31
Quote from: Kaishi;246974
I didn't get a tracking number. I really want to see when my set will arrive.  Do you have a record of it, WhiteRice?


Did you check your PayPal email? Did you check your spam on said email?

It would have come from:
USPS_Shipping_Services@usps.com

with the subject:
Click-N-Ship(R) Notification
Title: 104 US ANSI Double shot replacements for Filco Order
Post by: muchadoaboutnothing on Mon, 15 November 2010, 11:32:51
Took me longer than expected. Those little white stabilizer nubs kept trolling me.

Overall, very impressed, like the key texture. The MX blues clicking was slightly more dampened on the Rosewill keys vs. the signature keys; my guess is because they seem to be ever so slightly thinner. Very happy! :D

(http://imgur.com/SIVhl.jpg)
Title: 104 US ANSI Double shot replacements for Filco Order
Post by: woody on Mon, 15 November 2010, 11:34:51
Your left ALT/OS buttons are swapped ... intentionally?
Title: 104 US ANSI Double shot replacements for Filco Order
Post by: HaaTa on Mon, 15 November 2010, 11:36:49
I normally swap my Function keys.

Usual:
Ctrl | OS | Alt

Mine:
Alt | AltGr | OS with CapsLock = Ctrl
Title: 104 US ANSI Double shot replacements for Filco Order
Post by: muchadoaboutnothing on Mon, 15 November 2010, 11:37:19
Quote from: woody;247030
Your left ALT/OS buttons are swapped ... intentionally?


Nope, that's what we call a mistake. :wacko:
Title: 104 US ANSI Double shot replacements for Filco Order
Post by: ironman31 on Mon, 15 November 2010, 12:10:28
Mine is out for delivery. Ill post some pictures when I get home.
Title: 104 US ANSI Double shot replacements for Filco Order
Post by: Kaishi on Mon, 15 November 2010, 12:20:32
Yeah, I got another notification at about the same time, assumed it was for something else.  My mistake :)

Ooo! it looks like my keyset is arriving either today or tomorrow.  In either case, YAY!
Title: 104 US ANSI Double shot replacements for Filco Order
Post by: woody on Mon, 15 November 2010, 12:57:34
Quote from: ripster;247035
Heresy!
Show Image
(http://www.uncrate.com/men/images/2007/08/apple-aluminum-keyboard.jpg)


Actually I kinda like the Apple Aluminum and it's layout.

Fn in lower left corner, then CTRL - now THAT'S heresy.
Title: 104 US ANSI Double shot replacements for Filco Order
Post by: woody on Mon, 15 November 2010, 13:00:32
Quote from: muchadoaboutnothing;247033
Nope, that's what we call a mistake. :wacko:

Cheers, dude. You're my GH hero for not having rainbow colours on the keyboard and keeping it plain.
Cheers to WhiteRice for organizing this and picking sane choices.
Title: 104 US ANSI Double shot replacements for Filco Order
Post by: muchadoaboutnothing on Mon, 15 November 2010, 13:14:55
Lenovo does the same thing. Annoying, but hardly the end of the world. And at one point (not sure if there still is) you could swap the CTRL and FN positions in the BIOS.
Title: 104 US ANSI Double shot replacements for Filco Order
Post by: judicata on Mon, 15 November 2010, 13:33:55
Yay! Got them in and have them in.  They look and feel great!  Though I wish I would've realized that the stabilizers are not symmetrical a little sooner...

Does anyone have a spare "Control" key for the "Capslock" position?  I need an extra.  I'd pay for shipping plus a few bucks extra for your trouble.
Title: 104 US ANSI Double shot replacements for Filco Order
Post by: keyboardlover on Mon, 15 November 2010, 13:36:34
Nice! Post a photo!
Title: 104 US ANSI Double shot replacements for Filco Order
Post by: muchadoaboutnothing on Mon, 15 November 2010, 13:44:20
Quote from: judicata;247071
Though I wish I would've realized that the stabilizers are not symmetrical a little sooner...


THIS IS WHAT TORTURED ME. It took me so long to figure this out.

Note the original orientation of the stabilizers on whatever keycaps you swap out and you'll be fine.
Title: 104 US ANSI Double shot replacements for Filco Order
Post by: woody on Mon, 15 November 2010, 14:05:38
Quote from: muchadoaboutnothing;247064
Lenovo does the same thing. Annoying, but hardly the end of the world. And at one point (not sure if there still is) you could swap the CTRL and FN positions in the BIOS.

I simply refuse to buy keyboards with Fn | CTRL layout. That has ruled out lots of keyboards and laptops so far. :)

That being said, I'd better offer my used and thoroughly cleaned blasphemous ML4400 cheap to somebody who wants to get into mechanical, or is just collecting.
Title: 104 US ANSI Double shot replacements for Filco Order
Post by: woody on Mon, 15 November 2010, 14:18:03
Quote from: ripster;247063
... but about that "Arial" thing......

The 'R' is bit odd, don't you think?
Title: 104 US ANSI Double shot replacements for Filco Order
Post by: Lanx on Mon, 15 November 2010, 14:20:43
here's some modified keys.
*note*
i have to keep some of my older cherry caps cuz i customized them to fit my board since i have a slope up towards the middle(meaning the keys you see that aren't changed are meeting at a slope)
(http://img88.imageshack.us/img88/1256/closeupd.jpg) (http://img88.imageshack.us/i/closeupd.jpg/)

I got one with the nostromo as well, i decided to use the cursor only for the different texture so i can "feel" my home row, it's nice. (keeping the 5 in there cuz it has the bump)
(http://img16.imageshack.us/img16/6163/withnostromo.jpg) (http://img16.imageshack.us/i/withnostromo.jpg/)

overall i like it, of course my keyboard is a special case and i'm preparing my V2 to account for this as well heh.
Title: 104 US ANSI Double shot replacements for Filco Order
Post by: Phaedrus2129 on Mon, 15 November 2010, 14:23:39
Quote from: muchadoaboutnothing;247064
Lenovo does the same thing. Annoying, but hardly the end of the world. And at one point (not sure if there still is) you could swap the CTRL and FN positions in the BIOS.


My X100e does that.
Title: 104 US ANSI Double shot replacements for Filco Order
Post by: keyboardlover on Mon, 15 November 2010, 14:27:28
Quote from: ripster
Don't  forget to "lube up" when replacing the keys.


Is that necessary even with a new keyboard?
Title: 104 US ANSI Double shot replacements for Filco Order
Post by: Lanx on Mon, 15 November 2010, 14:32:10
cherry stabilizers don't need lubing they feel "snappy"
Title: 104 US ANSI Double shot replacements for Filco Order
Post by: keyboardlover on Mon, 15 November 2010, 14:44:50
Well I received confirmation that mine arrived today...can't wait to see them! Still haven't decided on selling them or buying a new keyboard for them yet though...
Title: 104 US ANSI Double shot replacements for Filco Order
Post by: Lanx on Mon, 15 November 2010, 14:50:27
Quote from: keyboardlover;247114
Well I received confirmation that mine arrived today...can't wait to see them! Still haven't decided on selling them or buying a new keyboard for them yet though...


aren't you a topre guy?
Title: 104 US ANSI Double shot replacements for Filco Order
Post by: keyboardlover on Mon, 15 November 2010, 14:52:25
Yea that's the only thing...I'm having a hard time justifying buying a Filco since I previously owned one and didn't love it.
Title: 104 US ANSI Double shot replacements for Filco Order
Post by: muchadoaboutnothing on Mon, 15 November 2010, 14:55:25
Personally, I'd sell them, unless you're adept, have a lot of time, and can somehow modify them to fit a Torpe, which I'm kind of doubting. Not the first two parts, the last part.
Title: 104 US ANSI Double shot replacements for Filco Order
Post by: Phaedrus2129 on Mon, 15 November 2010, 14:55:33
Quote from: ripster;247123
The keys can make nifty fridge magnets.


...

I now know what to do with that last MY7000. :) Thank you ripster.

Now to buy a bunch of 1/4" fridge magnets and some Gorilla glue.
Title: 104 US ANSI Double shot replacements for Filco Order
Post by: Lanx on Mon, 15 November 2010, 14:57:54
gorilla glue is something fierce and awesome! I always look for the gorilla now when i need something in that section and look for the mad monkey first. Oh i wonder if i have a need for gorilla tape?
Title: 104 US ANSI Double shot replacements for Filco Order
Post by: keyboardlover on Mon, 15 November 2010, 15:04:12
I'm also considering getting something (probably a Filco) for the new keycaps but either giving it away as a gift or keeping it around as an extra keyboard.

Edit: the gift idea was for my dad - he's a writer so he types a lot. He types on his Macbook Pro (which has a decent scissor switch keyboard that he likes already) though, so I'm not sure that it'd be necessary...

Decisions decision!
Title: 104 US ANSI Double shot replacements for Filco Order
Post by: Lanx on Mon, 15 November 2010, 15:13:56
i think you'll just get a few propositions to buy your unused set soon heh.
btw i'm starting to notice the little molding things holding the keycaps were cut off pretty novice like, at least from someone who has played with modeling sets in the past these molds were snipped off by a noob!
(http://img688.imageshack.us/img688/774/p1010795f.jpg) (http://img688.imageshack.us/i/p1010795f.jpg/)
Title: 104 US ANSI Double shot replacements for Filco Order
Post by: ironman31 on Mon, 15 November 2010, 15:15:02
Just buy another realforce, lol.
Title: 104 US ANSI Double shot replacements for Filco Order
Post by: keyboardlover on Mon, 15 November 2010, 15:16:02
Lol...but I don't need another keyboard...
Title: 104 US ANSI Double shot replacements for Filco Order
Post by: Lanx on Mon, 15 November 2010, 15:23:09
it was probably all about the coloring, the orange keys hide the marks well and the darker keys does a good job too.

(http://img823.imageshack.us/img823/8504/p1010796g.jpg) (http://img823.imageshack.us/i/p1010796g.jpg/)
Title: 104 US ANSI Double shot replacements for Filco Order
Post by: TexasFlood on Mon, 15 November 2010, 15:26:50
Quote from: Lanx;247128
gorilla glue is something fierce and awesome! I always look for the gorilla now when i need something in that section and look for the mad monkey first. Oh i wonder if i have a need for gorilla tape?

It's pretty good.  Not as good as 100 mile an hour tape (http://www.amazon.com/Military-100-Mile-Hour-Tape/dp/B000S93FH8), but nothing much is.  My only complaint is I taped up an old vacuum hose with 100 mile an hour tape and then patched it with gorilla tape when I couldn't find the 100mah roll.  The gorilla tape got gooey and separated after a while, something the 100mah tape never does.
Title: 104 US ANSI Double shot replacements for Filco Order
Post by: Lanx on Mon, 15 November 2010, 15:29:17
Quote from: TexasFlood;247161
It's pretty good.  Not as good as 100 mile an hour tape (http://www.amazon.com/Military-100-Mile-Hour-Tape/dp/B000S93FH8), but nothing much is.  My only complaint is I taped up an old vacuum hose with 100 mile an hour tape and then patched it with gorilla tape when I couldn't find the 100mah roll.  The gorilla tape got gooey and separated after a while, something the 100mah tape never does.


i will use either this 100m tape or gorilla tape to fix my dyson hose on my next trip to harbor freight, sir!
Title: 104 US ANSI Double shot replacements for Filco Order
Post by: Lanx on Mon, 15 November 2010, 15:33:20
Quote from: ripster;247167
A hose you want to use silicone self fusing tape.  Amazing stuff.


this?
http://www.amazon.com/RESCUE-Self-Fusing-Silicone-Tape-BLACK/dp/B000ZTK6CI
what's the difference between the self fusing and gorrila tape? or does it like do some chemical bond thing?
Title: 104 US ANSI Double shot replacements for Filco Order
Post by: TexasFlood on Mon, 15 November 2010, 15:34:47
Quote from: TexasFlood;247161
It's pretty good.  Not as good as 100 mile an hour tape (http://www.amazon.com/Military-100-Mile-Hour-Tape/dp/B000S93FH8), but nothing much is.  My only complaint is I taped up an old vacuum hose with 100 mile an hour tape and then patched it with gorilla tape when I couldn't find the 100mah roll.  The gorilla tape got gooey and separated after a while, something the 100mah tape never does.


Quote from: Lanx;247165
i will use either this 100m tape or gorilla tape to fix my dyson hose on my next trip to harbor freight, sir!


Quote from: ripster;247167
A hose you want to use silicone self fusing tape.  Amazing stuff.

I haven't used the silicone self fusing tape but it sounds like something you might want to consider Lanx.
Title: 104 US ANSI Double shot replacements for Filco Order
Post by: WhiteRice on Mon, 15 November 2010, 15:50:05
Quote from: ripster;247172
Link (http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B002LA2258/ref=pd_lpo_k2_dp_sr_2?pf_rd_p=486539851&pf_rd_s=lpo-top-stripe-1&pf_rd_t=201&pf_rd_i=B000ZTK6CI&pf_rd_m=ATVPDKIKX0DER&pf_rd_r=0KTCMJ60HH4G1C2RWM8P)
Show Image
(http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/31aXr1bv7wL._SL500_AA300_.jpg)
That stuff saved me once when during a party a pipe burst.
Title: 104 US ANSI Double shot replacements for Filco Order
Post by: ironman31 on Mon, 15 November 2010, 16:38:16
Question about the stabilizer keys: the white pieces fit very loosely (and sometimes so loosely they fall out when turned upside down) in the new key caps. Is there a simple solution to keep them snug inside the key short of gluing them in there?
Title: 104 US ANSI Double shot replacements for Filco Order
Post by: RoboKrikit on Mon, 15 November 2010, 16:57:55
Quote from: ironman31;247217
Question about the stabilizer keys: the white pieces fit very loosely (and sometimes so loosely they fall out when turned upside down) in the new key caps. Is there a simple solution to keep them snug inside the key short of gluing them in there?

I have this same issue; just tested the right shift key and the stabilizer inserts are basically falling out, such that if I don't hit the key dead center it doesn't press down.  I'm thinking of gluing them in, but I'm not sure where to get replacements for the original keys if I need them.

Edit: space bar inserts went in fine, btw.
Title: 104 US ANSI Double shot replacements for Filco Order
Post by: RoboKrikit on Mon, 15 November 2010, 17:13:19
Cool, thanks for the tip. I'll have to pick some up tonight.
Title: 104 US ANSI Double shot replacements for Filco Order
Post by: sixty on Mon, 15 November 2010, 17:13:45
Don't ruin your keys by permanently glueing the stabilizer in.

Scarface recommended this for his SF Metal keys, it works fine for Cherry keys on Filco too:

(http://imgur.com/ws6ez.jpg)
(http://imgur.com/ZLFVF.jpg)

Use two or even three layers if you must, until it fits tight.

Edit: Obviously apply it to the stabilizer stem, not the keystem for stabilizers.
Title: 104 US ANSI Double shot replacements for Filco Order
Post by: phate408 on Mon, 15 November 2010, 18:11:18
Received, installed, and awesome. Thanks for all your work WhiteRice.
Title: 104 US ANSI Double shot replacements for Filco Order
Post by: nanu on Mon, 15 November 2010, 18:26:23
Quote from: phate408;247255
Received, installed, and awesome. Thanks for all your work WhiteRice.

+1
(http://geekhack.org/attachment.php?attachmentid=13517&stc=1&d=1289867017)
Title: 104 US ANSI Double shot replacements for Filco Order
Post by: Kaishi on Mon, 15 November 2010, 18:47:03
I just wrapped up the installation of the keyset on my RK-9000.  The stabilizers were a little tricky but the tape trick suggested above worked wonders.  I'm so satisfied.

Thanks again all.
Title: 104 US ANSI Double shot replacements for Filco Order
Post by: ironman31 on Mon, 15 November 2010, 19:26:23
Yeah, thanks sixty for bringing up the tape mod. I found that the red geekhack key looks better with this color scheme imo. And does anyone else think the spacebar is abnormally sharp?

(http://img534.imageshack.us/img534/9664/img20101115202151.jpg)
Title: 104 US ANSI Double shot replacements for Filco Order
Post by: keyboardlover on Mon, 15 November 2010, 19:49:47
Interesting to hear about these issues...did anyone install these without having to use mods? If so, on what keyboards?
Title: 104 US ANSI Double shot replacements for Filco Order
Post by: didjamatic on Mon, 15 November 2010, 19:52:46
Got mine, woo hoo!!!
Title: 104 US ANSI Double shot replacements for Filco Order
Post by: Lanx on Mon, 15 November 2010, 20:19:40
Quote from: ironman31;247273
And does anyone else think the spacebar is abnormally sharp?

i feel the same way actually and i think i'm going back with my old spacebar.
Title: 104 US ANSI Double shot replacements for Filco Order
Post by: ironman31 on Mon, 15 November 2010, 20:26:05
Quote from: Lanx;247295
i feel the same way actually and i think i'm going back with my old spacebar.


I seems like the signature plastics key profile is made for a keyboard with taller legs than a filco.
Title: 104 US ANSI Double shot replacements for Filco Order
Post by: muchadoaboutnothing on Mon, 15 November 2010, 20:35:28
I'm actually really liking the new spacebar, but perhaps that's just me.
Title: 104 US ANSI Double shot replacements for Filco Order
Post by: bitmap on Mon, 15 November 2010, 20:43:24
Whoo! Just arrived. Pics soon.
Title: 104 US ANSI Double shot replacements for Filco Order
Post by: ironman31 on Mon, 15 November 2010, 20:51:57
Quote from: muchadoaboutnothing;247300
I'm actually really liking the new spacebar, but perhaps that's just me.


I'm pretty sure it's because I normally hit the space bar right at the edge. I guess I'll just change my typing habits once again..
Title: 104 US ANSI Double shot replacements for Filco Order
Post by: Phaedrus2129 on Mon, 15 November 2010, 20:54:16
Can't you just take some fine-grained sandpaper to it and smooth it out?
Title: 104 US ANSI Double shot replacements for Filco Order
Post by: Tr0j4nM4x1mus on Mon, 15 November 2010, 21:00:41
got the keys today.... Thank you again
Title: 104 US ANSI Double shot replacements for Filco Order
Post by: ironman31 on Mon, 15 November 2010, 21:03:31
Quote from: Phaedrus2129;247315
Can't you just take some fine-grained sandpaper to it and smooth it out?


To smooth it down that much you'd have to take off most of the corner wall, which would probably make that part of the spacebar quite thin. I could be wrong, but I'm not going to try it and find out :P.
Title: 104 US ANSI Double shot replacements for Filco Order
Post by: WhiteRice on Mon, 15 November 2010, 21:11:52
Quote from: keyboardlover;247286
Interesting to hear about these issues...did anyone install these without having to use mods? If so, on what keyboards?


Everything works fine on my ducky. It uses cherry style stabilizers.
Title: 104 US ANSI Double shot replacements for Filco Order
Post by: Lanx on Mon, 15 November 2010, 21:21:22
Aside from the fact that my board is custom, otherwise everything fit pretty much like standard.
Title: 104 US ANSI Double shot replacements for Filco Order
Post by: Hak Foo on Mon, 15 November 2010, 21:25:16
Quote from: WhiteRice;247328
Everything works fine on my ducky. It uses cherry style stabilizers.


They fit great on a G80-3000.

Thanks for including the stepped key.

The retro look really blends well.
Title: 104 US ANSI Double shot replacements for Filco Order
Post by: mrbill on Mon, 15 November 2010, 21:28:34
Worked great here on a tenkeyless Filco.  My Backspace key feels a bit "muted" somehow, although I've checked it twice - but everything works fine once I get used to the slightly different key profile.

(http://farm2.static.flickr.com/1319/5180212825_22f83772a9_z_d.jpg)
Title: 104 US ANSI Double shot replacements for Filco Order
Post by: jaynoon on Mon, 15 November 2010, 23:02:06
Quote from: keyboardlover;247114
Well I received confirmation that mine arrived today...can't wait to see them! Still haven't decided on selling them or buying a new keyboard for them yet though...


I would be happy to buy the set from you if you decide to sell.
Title: 104 US ANSI Double shot replacements for Filco Order
Post by: Fwiffo on Mon, 15 November 2010, 23:24:07
The sound on my Filco is pretty radically different; the keys are much thinner/lighter. On the other hand, I actually think I like the lower profile. Seems like it's more efficient without giving up anything.

Haven't installed the whole set yet; not sure if I want it at home or at work.
Title: 104 US ANSI Double shot replacements for Filco Order
Post by: jnsjr on Mon, 15 November 2010, 23:51:34
Here are some blurry cell phone pics!  I agree with the other posts that the spacebar is a bit sharper, and I had a hell of a time getting my backspace on because the stablilizers did not really fit.  I have not noticed too much of a sound difference.  The keys feel really nice!

(http://img2.imageshack.us/img2/6906/filcocherybluenewkeycap.jpg)

(http://img9.imageshack.us/img9/6906/filcocherybluenewkeycap.jpg)
Title: 104 US ANSI Double shot replacements for Filco Order
Post by: Fwiffo on Mon, 15 November 2010, 23:55:17
Is the tenkeyless filco the most popular keyboard on the forums after the Model M? It seems like everybody has at least one, usually two.
Title: 104 US ANSI Double shot replacements for Filco Order
Post by: woody on Tue, 16 November 2010, 04:07:09
Tenkeyless Filco is da bomb. Availability! If Diatec ever release double piece keycaps with quality as good as the rest of the keyboard, that'll be the keyboard to end them all. (For those with fine taste, of course)
Title: 104 US ANSI Double shot replacements for Filco Order
Post by: itlnstln on Tue, 16 November 2010, 07:41:33
Old school all the way:

(http://geekhack.org/attachment.php?attachmentid=13524&stc=1&d=1289914786)

These keys are awesome, I really like the texture.  They are a little noisier than the stock Cherry ones, though.
Title: 104 US ANSI Double shot replacements for Filco Order
Post by: Kaishi on Tue, 16 November 2010, 09:25:31
Quote from: itlnstln;247439
These keys are awesome, I really like the texture.  They are a little noisier than the stock Cherry ones, though.


Agreed.  I love the look of your keyboard :cool:

I actually prefer the sound, key height, and key profile of these Signature Plastics keys over the stock keys from my Rosewill RK-9000.  More than that though, I prefer the sharpness and feel (really, lack thereof) of the legends on these new ones.  Aesthetically, they rub me the right way.
Title: 104 US ANSI Double shot replacements for Filco Order
Post by: sealcouch on Tue, 16 November 2010, 10:45:12
I received my keys but I had them sent to my home address not my college address. Also, I have nothing to put the keys in at this point because I was going to order a Filco brown tenkeyless. Piss.
Title: 104 US ANSI Double shot replacements for Filco Order
Post by: mike on Tue, 16 November 2010, 14:46:07
I had a bit of a surprise waiting in for a structural surveyor ... I wasn't expecting them to arrive so quickly. Saved me a trip to the post office ...

(http://zonky.org/gallery2/main.php?g2_view=core.DownloadItem&g2_itemId=55612&g2_serialNumber=2)

I don't know if it's just me, but the texture is reminiscent of the Unicomp keys ?

My pink highlights are no longer quite so in your face :-

(http://zonky.org/gallery2/main.php?g2_view=core.DownloadItem&g2_itemId=55615&g2_serialNumber=2)

And thanks to WhiteRice!
Title: 104 US ANSI Double shot replacements for Filco Order
Post by: celery on Tue, 16 November 2010, 15:32:55
Installed mine last night. Thanks, WhiteRice!

The stabilizer inserts fit tightly into the spacebar, but the rest were fairly loose. I installed them without any tape or other mods anyway, and they seem to work okay. Might give that a shot if I run into problems later.
Title: 104 US ANSI Double shot replacements for Filco Order
Post by: RoboKrikit on Tue, 16 November 2010, 16:29:28
I'm really liking these so far. The texture is great, and I like the lower profile of the keys.

I want a keyboard roof to keep the dust off.  Elitekeyboards is sold out. :/

(http://imgur.com/sJf9u.jpg)

(http://imgur.com/0NFZv.jpg)

(http://imgur.com/qEUwi.jpg)
Title: 104 US ANSI Double shot replacements for Filco Order
Post by: WhiteRice on Tue, 16 November 2010, 17:27:55
Wow nice photos! I'd like to show these webwit on OCN and then see what he has to say.
Title: 104 US ANSI Double shot replacements for Filco Order
Post by: bakageta on Tue, 16 November 2010, 17:31:23
He had nothing positive to say... Something about these being comparable to a child's toy... :P

http://www.overclock.net/11342498-post9.html (http://www.overclock.net/11342498-post9.html)
Title: 104 US ANSI Double shot replacements for Filco Order
Post by: 2084 on Tue, 16 November 2010, 18:32:33
I really dig the color scheme
Title: 104 US ANSI Double shot replacements for Filco Order
Post by: RoboKrikit on Tue, 16 November 2010, 19:05:38
Quote from: bakageta;247755
He had nothing positive to say... Something about these being comparable to a child's toy... :P

http://www.overclock.net/11342498-post9.html (http://www.overclock.net/11342498-post9.html)


Soon he will be typing on just the switches and making fun of nerdy otakus with blank keycaps. :)
Title: 104 US ANSI Double shot replacements for Filco Order
Post by: laden3 on Tue, 16 November 2010, 19:16:20
Quote from: bakageta;247755
He had nothing positive to say... Something about these being comparable to a child's toy... :P

http://www.overclock.net/11342498-post9.html (http://www.overclock.net/11342498-post9.html)


He is just jealous :wink:
Mine arrived today and these keycaps are really thin...absence of some kind of support also makes the keycaps "flexible" on the sides (who cares). Although I like these keycaps, $50 is pretty expensive... probably more economical to harvest double shots from Cherry MYs, but, u get the "perfect" 104 keys from SP+ u can actually customize ur keycaps
Title: 104 US ANSI Double shot replacements for Filco Order
Post by: Lanx on Tue, 16 November 2010, 20:44:43
Quote from: WhiteRice;247753
Wow nice photos! I'd like to show these webwit on OCN and then see what he has to say.

Phaedrus made me feel self conscience of my keys *sadface*
Title: 104 US ANSI Double shot replacements for Filco Order
Post by: Phaedrus2129 on Tue, 16 November 2010, 20:59:18
Is that a Lego with cleavage?

(http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_KTbnwsD0C84/SZao-_FPbAI/AAAAAAAAApU/63YA97gWLRk/s320/THE+ROCK+BROW.JPG)
Title: 104 US ANSI Double shot replacements for Filco Order
Post by: Phaedrus2129 on Tue, 16 November 2010, 21:13:37
In response to your original post there:


(http://www.keyboardspecialists.co.uk/Images/Ecommerce/Standard/GD-LK650.jpg)

In a word, yes.




Second, it gets more disturbing when you realize that it's a Lego with cleavage and an eyepatch.


...


?????????
Title: 104 US ANSI Double shot replacements for Filco Order
Post by: panda-R on Tue, 16 November 2010, 21:25:43
i am so mad at myself for not being able to get into this order!!! MAD MAD MAD MAD!
Title: 104 US ANSI Double shot replacements for Filco Order
Post by: Kaishi on Tue, 16 November 2010, 22:56:08
(http://imgur.com/yIo1is.jpg) (http://imgur.com/yIo1i.jpg)

(http://imgur.com/XrRzRs.jpg) (http://imgur.com/XrRzR.jpg)

That is all.
Title: 104 US ANSI Double shot replacements for Filco Order
Post by: itlnstln on Wed, 17 November 2010, 11:29:40
Quote from: bakageta;247755
He had nothing positive to say... Something about these being comparable to a child's toy... :P

http://www.overclock.net/11342498-post9.html (http://www.overclock.net/11342498-post9.html)


Aww, he even used my pic.  I miss webwit.  I agree, though, that I dig the clean, modern look more than the vintage look.  I would hope the second round of caps goes for something a little more modern and simple, but there are ton of freak-show ideas getting floated around over there.
Title: 104 US ANSI Double shot replacements for Filco Order
Post by: Lanx on Wed, 17 November 2010, 21:36:16
shouldn't the up and down arrow be different heights? the uparrow is so high that i actually flip it around and it sorta creates a cool inward slope feel, but both ways don't feel natural.
Title: 104 US ANSI Double shot replacements for Filco Order
Post by: WhiteRice on Wed, 17 November 2010, 21:58:52
Quote from: Lanx;248408
shouldn't the up and down arrow be different heights? the uparrow is so high that i actually flip it around and it sorta creates a cool inward slope feel, but both ways don't feel natural.
I don't know, but cherry key caps are like this too.
Title: 104 US ANSI Double shot replacements for Filco Order
Post by: TheSoulhunter on Thu, 18 November 2010, 08:30:23
Yay, finally got my sets... ^_^
Title: 104 US ANSI Double shot replacements for Filco Order
Post by: pipedream on Thu, 18 November 2010, 10:38:00
I got my set in the mail today, and I'm loving it so far. Just one problem: I'm using the international version and the second blank key does not have the same profile as the second row so it feels a bit out of place. Anyone else tried this set on their ISO boards yet?
Title: 104 US ANSI Double shot replacements for Filco Order
Post by: didjamatic on Thu, 18 November 2010, 11:28:37
I'm using the most important key right now.  THANK YOU, I LOVE IT!

(http://lh4.ggpht.com/_-sQ6TN93LvU/TOVhZdEJGGI/AAAAAAAABgo/aAwlrGWfrU4/s800/control%20key%20cap.JPG)
Title: 104 US ANSI Double shot replacements for Filco Order
Post by: Daniel Beaver on Thu, 18 November 2010, 11:48:31
I finally installed my set, and I love them. The texture of the keys is much superior to the Filco originals. Not to mention the "looks totally badass" part.

One quibble: the injection spru is on the front edge of the key, and so is visible between the cracks of home row. I don't know why they wouldn't be on the back - every other key I've ever seen has them on the back.
Title: Where's my stuff?
Post by: 7bit on Thu, 18 November 2010, 11:57:17
It seems everyone's got their keys to play with, except for me!

;-(
Title: 104 US ANSI Double shot replacements for Filco Order
Post by: squarebox on Thu, 18 November 2010, 12:29:02
Quote from: 7bit;248656
It seems everyone's got their keys to play with, except for me!

;-(


Don't worry, you're not the only onw. I'm still waiting for mine too.
Chill, it will come...
Title: 104 US ANSI Double shot replacements for Filco Order
Post by: WhiteRice on Thu, 18 November 2010, 12:37:34
Did you guys get tracking numbers?

pipedream: I was looking at the invoice and they blanks should be profiled row two and three. Did you get two of the same profile or is one key the wrong profile altogether.
Title: 104 US ANSI Double shot replacements for Filco Order
Post by: pipedream on Thu, 18 November 2010, 12:38:33
Quote from: Daniel Beaver;248647
I finally installed my set, and I love them. The texture of the keys is much superior to the Filco originals. Not to mention the "looks totally badass" part.

One quibble: the injection spru is on the front edge of the key, and so is visible between the cracks of home row. I don't know why they wouldn't be on the back - every other key I've ever seen has them on the back.


Yeah I noticed this too. It's not a biggie though - if they really annoy you, you can get rid of them with a penknife or nail file.
Title: 104 US ANSI Double shot replacements for Filco Order
Post by: pipedream on Thu, 18 November 2010, 12:39:11
Quote from: WhiteRice;248679
Did you guys get tracking numbers?

pipedream: I was looking at the invoice and they blanks should be profiled row two and three. Did you get two of the same profile or is one key the wrong profile altogether.


The blanks I got are identical. Clarification: they are both same profile as the row three keys.
Title: 104 US ANSI Double shot replacements for Filco Order
Post by: Lanx on Thu, 18 November 2010, 12:41:29
yea it's pretty annoying to me i think i'll have to sand it out.
Title: 104 US ANSI Double shot replacements for Filco Order
Post by: WhiteRice on Thu, 18 November 2010, 12:43:09
Quote from: pipedream;248682
The blanks I got are identical. Clarification: they are both same profile as the row three keys.
Which row is the one you are missing? I have some extra. :)
Title: 104 US ANSI Double shot replacements for Filco Order
Post by: pipedream on Thu, 18 November 2010, 13:08:38
Quote from: WhiteRice;248685
Which row is the one you are missing? I have some extra. :)


One second row blank would be awesome! What about shipping though? Seems a bit of a waste to just send one key to sweden :(
Title: 104 US ANSI Double shot replacements for Filco Order
Post by: pipedream on Thu, 18 November 2010, 13:09:26
Quote from: Lanx;248684
yea it's pretty annoying to me i think i'll have to sand it out.


Heh, yeah I might actually sand mine off too. OCD is a hell of a disorder.
Title: 104 US ANSI Double shot replacements for Filco Order
Post by: WhiteRice on Thu, 18 November 2010, 13:09:57
Quote from: pipedream;248693
One second row blank would be awesome! What about shipping though? Seems a bit of a waste to just send one key to sweden :(
I'll see if I can post it in a thick envelope.
Title: 104 US ANSI Double shot replacements for Filco Order
Post by: Lanx on Thu, 18 November 2010, 13:16:34
so i used some sandpaper to "rough" it up, get some texture in it (not to much or you won't have a keycap left) and then finally the secret , spit
spit to mix in the texture and the filings and it kinda evens out the injection nub.
(http://img52.imageshack.us/img52/3893/keycap.jpg) (http://img52.imageshack.us/i/keycap.jpg/)
the top row with the orange is the sanded down keys, and the bottom row is to compare.
Title: 104 US ANSI Double shot replacements for Filco Order
Post by: pipedream on Thu, 18 November 2010, 13:25:39
Quote from: WhiteRice;248697
I'll see if I can post it in a thick envelope.


I love you!
Title: 104 US ANSI Double shot replacements for Filco Order
Post by: AvroArrow on Thu, 18 November 2010, 14:10:50
Quote from: 7bit;248656
It seems everyone's got their keys to play with, except for me!

;-(


Patience.  You will more than likely get yours before I get mine even though I am geographically closer.  I'm estimating 2 weeks from US east coast to Canada west coast, which is the norm for normal mail that isn't Express/Next Day/etc.  The guy in Singapore will probably get his before I get mine.  I'll just enjoy the pics of everyone else's new keys in the mean time.  :canada:  (I can't believe this board has a Canada smilie. :laugh:)
Title: 104 US ANSI Double shot replacements for Filco Order
Post by: itlnstln on Thu, 18 November 2010, 14:15:24
I have been using my G80-3000 with these caps the past few days, and I really like them.  I wouldn't mind getting some in all-black with smaller legends for a Filco.  They feel almost IBM-esque minus the thickness.
Title: 104 US ANSI Double shot replacements for Filco Order
Post by: 7bit on Thu, 18 November 2010, 14:48:14
Quote from: AvroArrow;248753
Patience.  You will more than likely get yours before I get mine even though I am geographically closer.  I'm estimating 2 weeks from US east coast to Canada west coast, which is the norm for normal mail that isn't Express/Next Day/etc.  The guy in Singapore will probably get his before I get mine.  I'll just enjoy the pics of everyone else's new keys in the mean time.  :canada:  (I can't believe this board has a Canada smilie. :laugh:)


You make me feel guilty. Living so close to the factory and getting them last must hurt.

:shocked:
Title: 104 US ANSI Double shot replacements for Filco Order
Post by: JBert on Thu, 18 November 2010, 17:11:44
Quote from: WhiteRice;248679
Did you guys get tracking numbers?

pipedream: I was looking at the invoice and they blanks should be profiled row two and three. Did you get two of the same profile or is one key the wrong profile altogether.
I just pulled off the keys and pulled some others to compare. It seems you must have ordered the wrong rows as it matches my 'Q' key - this is row two from the top.

Also, I'm missing a small left-shift key. Was it supposed to be included in the Int'l pack or was it never made to begin with?
I've now replaced it with a diamond key...
Title: 104 US ANSI Double shot replacements for Filco Order
Post by: pipedream on Thu, 18 November 2010, 17:23:58
Quote from: JBert;248853
I just pulled off the keys and pulled some others to compare. It seems you must have ordered the wrong rows as it matches my 'Q' key - this is row two from the top.

Also, I'm missing a small left-shift key. Was it supposed to be included in the Int'l pack or was it never made to begin with?
I've now replaced it with a diamond key...


I assumed rows were being counted bottom-up.

I don't think a small shift was meant to be part the international booster pack since it just specifies 1 enter key and two blanks. I'm using the alternate meta key in it's place - it's the same profile.

Edit: Actually now that I triple check it my two blanks are not identical! The difference is very small so I didn't notice this at first but now I'm comparing with one key from the Q row and I see they're actually the same! My bad WhiteRice, I couldn't see a difference last time I checked. The difference between Q row and A row is a lot smaller than between A and Z.
Title: 104 US ANSI Double shot replacements for Filco Order
Post by: WhiteRice on Thu, 18 November 2010, 17:28:27
Just to avoid confusion please look here (http://www.keycapsdirect.com/key-caps.php) for key row reference.

Are you guys missing the key for row two or three.
Title: 104 US ANSI Double shot replacements for Filco Order
Post by: zefrer on Thu, 18 November 2010, 17:29:41
Quote from: pipedream;248856
I assumed rows were being counted bottom-up.

I don't think a small shift was meant to be part the international booster pack since it just specifies 1 enter key and two blanks. I'm using the alternate meta key in it's place - it's the same profile.

Edit: Actually now that I check my two blanks are not identical! The difference is very small so I didn't notice this at first but now I'm comparing with one key from the Q row and I see they're actually the same! My bad WhiteRice, I couldn't see a difference last time I checked.


No it's not part of the pack. I will also use a spare blank or meta key for a few keys.
Title: 104 US ANSI Double shot replacements for Filco Order
Post by: WhiteRice on Thu, 18 November 2010, 17:33:45
zefrer do you have all the right blanks?
Title: 104 US ANSI Double shot replacements for Filco Order
Post by: pipedream on Thu, 18 November 2010, 17:55:18
Here's an illustration I made from the pictures on wikipedia for ANSI/ISO layouts showing the difference between "ANSI" and "ISO" keyboard layouts:

(http://image.llbit.se/keybd_ansi_iso.gif)

It's not a biggie for me, but optimally the international packs should have had a row 3 and row 4 blank.
Title: 104 US ANSI Double shot replacements for Filco Order
Post by: zefrer on Thu, 18 November 2010, 18:08:43
Quote from: WhiteRice;248860
zefrer do you have all the right blanks?


Mine won't be here for a whiiile yet, being on the other side of the atlantic and all. It should be landing any day now.
Title: 104 US ANSI Double shot replacements for Filco Order
Post by: phoenix on Thu, 18 November 2010, 21:45:37
Mine arrived yesterday and I'm sorry to report that the plate on my Filco is mounted very slightly more to the left, causing the replacement keys to touch the left edge of the board. I'm debating if I should sell the keyset, the Filco (brown 10keyless non-otaku bought last month), or both.
Title: 104 US ANSI Double shot replacements for Filco Order
Post by: aCuria on Fri, 19 November 2010, 08:22:00
Quote from: AvroArrow;248753
Patience.  You will more than likely get yours before I get mine even though I am geographically closer.  I'm estimating 2 weeks from US east coast to Canada west coast, which is the norm for normal mail that isn't Express/Next Day/etc.  The guy in Singapore will probably get his before I get mine.  I'll just enjoy the pics of everyone else's new keys in the mean time.  :canada:  (I can't believe this board has a Canada smilie. :laugh:)


You overestimate Singapore Post. They held up my package for 2+ weeks before. US->Singpost was faster than Singpost->me
Title: 104 US ANSI Double shot replacements for Filco Order
Post by: ethanb on Fri, 19 November 2010, 08:41:09
Well, I got mine the other day, and I think they're awesome! Thanks, WhiteRice!
Title: 104 US ANSI Double shot replacements for Filco Order
Post by: JBert on Fri, 19 November 2010, 13:29:26
Quote from: WhiteRice;248858
Just to avoid confusion please look here (http://www.keycapsdirect.com/key-caps.php) for key row reference.

Are you guys missing the key for row two or three.
Actually, we needed row three (next to enter) and four (next to left shift), but got row two and three instead.
Title: 104 US ANSI Double shot replacements for Filco Order
Post by: Megaweapon on Fri, 19 November 2010, 14:30:13
It may be a few weeks yet before I have time to do the key swap, but I want to thank WhiteRice for putting this together.

I suspect the haters are just bitter because there aren't enough people who share their boring keyboard taste to make a group buy possible.
Title: 104 US ANSI Double shot replacements for Filco Order
Post by: keyboardlover on Fri, 19 November 2010, 16:58:28
I've decided to sell my set. Anyone interested?

For CONUS it should be ~$54 USD including shipping.
Title: 104 US ANSI Double shot replacements for Filco Order
Post by: ricercar on Fri, 19 November 2010, 17:33:42
Quote from: ripster;248422
Front two rows are ALWAYS the same.


This turns out not to be the case. The XArmor U91BL has different profiles for the first two rows.

I'll bring some crow with my pictures. One of us will feast.
Title: 104 US ANSI Double shot replacements for Filco Order
Post by: ricercar on Fri, 19 November 2010, 17:36:28
Deleted post. Nibbling some crow.
Title: 104 US ANSI Double shot replacements for Filco Order
Post by: panda-R on Fri, 19 November 2010, 17:45:24
Double cheeseburger all the way!
Title: 104 US ANSI Double shot replacements for Filco Order
Post by: jaynoon on Fri, 19 November 2010, 17:47:29
Clearly I'm LTTP. Do the sets come with that nice orange keypuller too? Or is that from somewhere else?
Title: 104 US ANSI Double shot replacements for Filco Order
Post by: ricercar on Fri, 19 November 2010, 20:21:12
Holy moly! Ripster,  where did that keypuller come from? Photoshop?

(http://farm2.static.flickr.com/1300/5190308959_a938c87f82_b.jpg)
Title: 104 US ANSI Double shot replacements for Filco Order
Post by: Moogle Stiltzkin on Fri, 19 November 2010, 23:16:59
Hm i'm willing to trade my geekhack key for an alternative double shot for the escape :X

Maybe like that @&%!  doubleshot key :X
Title: 104 US ANSI Double shot replacements for Filco Order
Post by: fssbzz on Fri, 19 November 2010, 23:44:58
Quote from: Moogle Stiltzkin;249570
Hm i'm willing to trade my geekhack key for an alternative double shot for the escape :X

Maybe like that @&%!  doubleshot key :X


i can help you get some before i go back to singapore, i will be flying to Msia for chinese year too.
u have to pay for the poslaju = =
Title: 104 US ANSI Double shot replacements for Filco Order
Post by: Moogle Stiltzkin on Sat, 20 November 2010, 04:08:24
Quote from: fssbzz;249577
i can help you get some before i go back to singapore, i will be flying to Msia for chinese year too.
u have to pay for the poslaju = =


How much bro :typing:

I would only need 1.
Title: 104 US ANSI Double shot replacements for Filco Order
Post by: fssbzz on Sat, 20 November 2010, 04:21:02
Quote from: Moogle Stiltzkin;249612
How much bro :typing:

I would only need 1.


i will let you know before i go back or when i got my air ticket.
Title: 104 US ANSI Double shot replacements for Filco Order
Post by: Zen on Sat, 20 November 2010, 06:43:09
Ah... Much better !
(http://i.imgur.com/1RibZ.jpg)

Used to be :
(http://i.imgur.com/1TXWrs.jpg) (http://i.imgur.com/1TXWr.jpg)
Title: 104 US ANSI Double shot replacements for Filco Order
Post by: nanu on Sat, 20 November 2010, 18:23:34
before
(http://geekhack.org/attachment.php?attachmentid=13595&stc=1&d=1290298824)
after
(http://geekhack.org/attachment.php?attachmentid=13593&stc=1&d=1290298254)
Title: 104 US ANSI Double shot replacements for Filco Order
Post by: RoboKrikit on Sat, 20 November 2010, 18:59:56
I don't know what sort of keyboard that is, but I like it.
Title: 104 US ANSI Double shot replacements for Filco Order
Post by: Moogle Stiltzkin on Mon, 22 November 2010, 00:19:58
My keycaps arrived !!!

Funny cause the tracker said its in transit from newyork :X but no up dates since then

*face palm



anyway looking and feeling it, i am quite impressed with them.

However i can see they are pretty thin :x You could easily crush one with your i would think.


The geekhack key isn't as ugly as i thought it would be. I may even just use it.
Title: 104 US ANSI Double shot replacements for Filco Order
Post by: fssbzz on Mon, 22 November 2010, 00:36:16
grats..

now....
wait for your keyboard.. lol
so you can put those key cap on~
Title: 104 US ANSI Double shot replacements for Filco Order
Post by: Moogle Stiltzkin on Mon, 22 November 2010, 00:38:04
Yeah im sorting the keys now to get a good look at them :X

Looking at the font, their not ugly at all !!! im pretty happy i decided to get these :D
Title: 104 US ANSI Double shot replacements for Filco Order
Post by: msiegel on Mon, 22 November 2010, 00:53:21
note to self: stick with dye-sub pbt.

no lazer otaku
Title: 104 US ANSI Double shot replacements for Filco Order
Post by: fssbzz on Mon, 22 November 2010, 00:54:21
Quote from: msiegel;250435
note to self: stick with dye-sub pbt.

no lazer otaku


but those are blank cap, I'm wondering how those key wear without coating.
Title: 104 US ANSI Double shot replacements for Filco Order
Post by: Moogle Stiltzkin on Mon, 22 November 2010, 01:05:20
Ok i've sorted them all out in proper order. All keys accounted for.

Couldn't test type them cause my cherry keyboard hasn't arrived yet :/

But i can say that i really like the dolche color scheme. And people who thought that big font = ugly; well i can say they are wrong. Close up it's very nice :D

The pictures don't do them justice :X

All the letterings are crisp and clear; very easy to make out.


The diamond extra keys are good replacements for the windows, however i like the windows keys so i will stick to those instead.

Anyway kudos again to whiterice for doing this MO. It was a great success :D



*update

Regarding the dolche color; it's really good. The black and white keys; and the grey with white is a nice contrast rather than just sticking with just one color only. Because if you did the keyboard the same color, it looks really boring.

Also the wasd orange is very nice especially if your a gamer. The color of the orange isn't as terrible as the one in the first post of the thread. That camera shot was not good :X Anyway the only thing i wish it had was the arrow keys below the wasd. But this is a minor thing i could live without. But maybe in a future MO they really should consider having it.


Anyway this is my ratings


Font: 10/10 (for those skeptical of the big font, it looks really great up close in person. The contrast is excellent, i can make out the letterings quite easily even though i have bad eye sight.)

Color Scheme: 10/10 (excellent dolche color scheme with orange colored WASD)

Thickness: 5/10 (kinda thin)

Extras: 8/10 (1 x big control key, 2 x diamond keys, 1 x geekhack key; 1 x stepped capslock key. The geekhack key doesn't look as ugly as i thought it would be. Nice keycap puller with the wordings "wanna switch?")

Sculpture type DCS family: Pending (haven't installed to test yet. But looking at it, i think it would feel/look good if the ducky is set to incline rather than remain flat. I will report back next month on my review of it)

Texture: 10/10 (Has some grainy smoothness which you can see and feel on touch. You can't feel out the letterings at all which is nice. )
Title: 104 US ANSI Double shot replacements for Filco Order
Post by: squarebox on Mon, 22 November 2010, 01:09:39
I have yet to receive mine :(
Title: 104 US ANSI Double shot replacements for Filco Order
Post by: Moogle Stiltzkin on Mon, 22 November 2010, 01:26:27
Somebody just asked me how compatible these doubleshot set is with a Steelseries 7G.

Here is the SG 7G picture
(http://www.crunchgear.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/06/steelseries-1.jpg)

Comparing it and my doubleshot set, the differences are


On the steelseries 7G:

1. the enter is a J shape.

2. the key labelled "\|" above the enter is a smaller sized keycap.

3. Also smaller backspace


So these are the only 3 differences between the steelseries and my doubleshot set.



With that in mind

    J-shaped Enter $8.49
    2 Blank character keys $0.42


So the solution if you got this doubleshot set, is to get 2 blank character keys; and 1 j shaped enter. But would you want the backspace and the "\|" to be blank ??

:x

So maybe for a future MO, should consider items number 2 and 3 as optional keys for compatibility with other keyboards. The J shape is already offered :X so no problem there.



PS: so square gets his ducky first; and i get my keycaps first. The irony @_@:
Title: 104 US ANSI Double shot replacements for Filco Order
Post by: squarebox on Mon, 22 November 2010, 04:41:19
I've just received a delivery note.
Will collect it form the post office tomorrow.
Will be enjoying my double shot tomorrow.

Now I'll have my Filco, Ducky and 6Gv2 to enjoy :)
Title: 104 US ANSI Double shot replacements for Filco Order
Post by: sixty on Mon, 22 November 2010, 07:21:39
Still nothing here in Germany. The tracking still claims them to be in New York :baby:
Title: 104 US ANSI Double shot replacements for Filco Order
Post by: 7bit on Mon, 22 November 2010, 12:54:24
Quote from: sixty;250513
Still nothing here in Germany. The tracking still claims them to be in New York :baby:


Didn't get mine too.

But that's OK, because it's all for our safety:
The bomb-squad searches every single package. :boom:
Title: 104 US ANSI Double shot replacements for Filco Order
Post by: wap32 on Mon, 22 November 2010, 13:15:50
Well, just got the keys today (actually, they arrived last Friday).
For some reason USPS tracking still says the package is in transit...

The keys definitely feel great, and the texture is pretty cool as well.
I don't know if someone else already noticed, but the blank intl. keys should be 3rd and 4th row instead of 2nd and 3rd. Not a big deal though.

It's too bad it's not fully compatible with my MX11800 (space bar and mod keys).
Depending on how much I'll get used to the white/grey/black cherry/SP mix, I might sell my set.
Title: 104 US ANSI Double shot replacements for Filco Order
Post by: AvroArrow on Mon, 22 November 2010, 15:38:39
Quote from: 7bit;248779
You make me feel guilty. Living so close to the factory and getting them last must hurt.

:shocked:


It does suck, especially since I live about 1hr drive away from the factory.  And I was right, the guys in Singapore did get theirs before me.  lol.  Now I just have to wait for the guys in Germany to get theirs and then maybe I'll get mine by the end of this week... hopefully.  I think the delay is Canada Customs fault because on trackable packages I've had before it usually takes 1-3 days to get to the border, sits in Customs for 1-2 weeks (I've had it sit there for 6 weeks once), then it's released to Canada Post for delivery the next day.  And most of the time I don't get taxed/pkg not opened either, it just sits in a queue at Customs for evaluation/inspection.  
Title: 104 US ANSI Double shot replacements for Filco Order
Post by: WhiteRice on Mon, 22 November 2010, 15:58:47
Hey guys, with the intl booster pack, give me until after Thanksgiving. So basically I need to get a blank for the 4th row and ship them out.
Title: 104 US ANSI Double shot replacements for Filco Order
Post by: JBert on Mon, 22 November 2010, 16:03:51
Take your time.

Your effort is well appreciated!
Title: 104 US ANSI Double shot replacements for Filco Order
Post by: Zen on Mon, 22 November 2010, 16:11:21
Quote from: WhiteRice;250770
Hey guys, with the intl booster pack, give me until after Thanksgiving. So basically I need to get a blank for the 4th row and ship them out.

??

As far as I'm concerned you don't need to do anything,
the deal was for a ANSI-set ...
(A ISO-pack would have been nice but also a bit expensive I think)
Title: 104 US ANSI Double shot replacements for Filco Order
Post by: wap32 on Mon, 22 November 2010, 16:17:43
Quote from: JBert;250773
Take your time.

Your effort is well appreciated!


Indeed.
Throughout the whole process WhiteRice has been nothing short of awesome.
Title: some observations
Post by: nanu on Mon, 22 November 2010, 16:53:38
I wish the keycaps were more refined. I guess as long as I'm living in this world I will always have to accept imperfections as character-defining rather than defect. Like others, I would have liked the keycaps to be thicker. Anyhow, here are some things I noticed, followed by my preferences:
Other thoughts:
There's a lack of tweaks on letter keys, but I guess this strays more toward typography, which I know nothing about.
Title: 104 US ANSI Double shot replacements for Filco Order
Post by: Moogle Stiltzkin on Mon, 22 November 2010, 17:26:22
Quote from: nanu;250802
I wish the keycaps were more refined. I guess as long as I'm living in this world I will always have to accept imperfections as character-defining rather than defect. Like others, I would have liked the keycaps to be thicker.

You and me both :X Thickness seems to be something most will agree could be better.



Quote from: nanu;250802
Anyhow, here are some things I noticed, followed by my preferences:
  • Marks (sprue marks?) at front wall. Should be at the back wall
Whats a spruce mark ? Do you mean the slight chips on the underside of the keycap as if it was removed from another piece of plastic ? I see them on some of the keys :X but when installed i doubt they will be visible.


Quote from: nanu;250802
  • Context menu key graphic is relatively huge. Should be smaller (I guess the excuse is that it's so detailed)
Actually i really liked the context menu key. Looks really good to me.

Quote from: nanu;250802
  • Diamond key labels are centered horizontally, unlike other thumb key labels. Should left align those, centered in the region occupied by the winflag logo
I see what you mean, however i think the diamond centered is fine.


Quote from: nanu;250802
  • 1234567890 keys' normal and shifted labels are relatively left aligned while being left aligned. Punctuation keys' normal and shifted labels are relatively centered while being left aligned. Prefer the rule for punctuation keys
Looks fine to me

Quote from: nanu;250802
  • Enter key label is doubly thick all around (the arrow, and text. I guess this key is quite important). It's noticeable vs. right Shift key. Should be consistent with other key labels
I saw the difference in font thickness between the enter and shift like you mentioned as well (slightly). However i think it's alright. Shift, ctrl, alt, caps lock, tab all seem to have the same thickness. The enter was probably so slightly more thicker to accentuate it since it's so oftenly used. If the right shift was thicker than the left shift i would probably call foul, but since the enter is a single unique key i don't think it really mattered :X the thickness is just slightly so anywayz.

Quote from: nanu;250802
  • '" key label is bigger than ;: . Reassess the relative sizing and styling for all punctuation keys
Yet again i notice the difference in thickness. Out of all of your observations, this one seems the most discernable because the contrast between the ;: and ' " in thickness is noticeable. Still i can live with that.


Quote from: nanu;250802
  • Horizontal lines in -_ and =+ are all crooked. Make them not crooked

I see the crookedness you speak off. But to be fair it's hardly noticeable.


Quote from: nanu;250802
Other thoughts:
  • I don't know about the Dolch color scheme, but I wanted the grey to have been darker, at least as dark as the average of the two-tones
The dolche as it is seems fine to me.

Quote from: nanu;250802
  • "Back Space" (would have preferred Backspace, or even BackSpace)
Is fine as is.

Quote from: nanu;250802
  • Thumb key "Control" keys would've been fine labeled as Ctrl (see other keys that are abbreviated [e.g., Alt, which is two keys over]). More consistent to relative key size. The caps lock Control key would've been more distinct this way.

Looks just fine to me. I'm more use to keys with ctrl text, but the control looks just fine.




Quote from: nanu;250802
  • The "J" (which is effectively a circumcised "U") by weight appears offset to the right, although geometrically centered. Nudge it left a hair
    This isn't really fair since I'm biased on QWERTY and it's only noticeable since "J" is directly below "U," so this wouldn't be applicable to say, "L"
  • "O" too small. Should like good fonts extend above and below other block letters' boundaries, ever so slightly; not doing so makes it look smaller. For an example of what I mean, check out the bottom edges of the "e" and "d" of the Fedex logo

Looks all fine as is to me.




anyway good observations, made me look at the keyset once more. However overall i say i'm still pretty satisfied with it :}


PS: the f and J keys have the dibs on it and the numpad number 5 has a nipple dib :X
Title: 104 US ANSI Double shot replacements for Filco Order
Post by: panda-R on Mon, 22 November 2010, 18:31:32
Quote from: Moogle Stiltzkin;250812


PS: the f and J keys have the dibs on it and the numpad number 5 has a nipple dib :X


mmmm nipple.... mmmm
Title: 104 US ANSI Double shot replacements for Filco Order
Post by: Moogle Stiltzkin on Mon, 22 November 2010, 19:41:20
Font poliece o_o: ??? There is an RIAA equivalent for fonts ? those patent owners must be billionaires or something.

Anyway i honestly don't see whats wrong with the backspace :X

Do you mean the arrow is too close or the back and space has a gap between ?
Title: 104 US ANSI Double shot replacements for Filco Order
Post by: WhiteRice on Mon, 22 November 2010, 19:42:32
The k is obviously jealous of the close relationship the S and p have.
Title: 104 US ANSI Double shot replacements for Filco Order
Post by: squarebox on Tue, 23 November 2010, 02:03:08
@Moogle Stiltzkin : May I ask if you bought this double-shot and Ducky PBT, won't it render one set a waste?
Which would u use?

I'm still deciding whether to buy more Ducky but couldn't decide whether PBT is worth the money.
Title: 104 US ANSI Double shot replacements for Filco Order
Post by: laden3 on Tue, 23 November 2010, 02:22:29
Quote from: squarebox;251059
@Moogle Stiltzkin : May I ask if you bought this double-shot and Ducky PBT, won't it render one set a waste?
Which would u use?

I'm still deciding whether to buy more Ducky but couldn't decide whether PBT is worth the money.


Asking why do u need more than 1 set of keycaps is liek asking why do u need more than 1 keyboard >.<
Title: 104 US ANSI Double shot replacements for Filco Order
Post by: Moogle Stiltzkin on Tue, 23 November 2010, 02:24:47
double shot since i got to assess the keys in person already. If i didn't like them, i could have easily have sold them off.

I'll try out the lasered pbt first however when kb arrives. I'll have to keep the 4 media keys of course, and the special keys with the led lighting (unless somebody knows how to mod the doubleshots to add a see through plastic strip for the led light to show through :/ )

Filco would have had a better look because the lighting for when caps lock activates etc is not integrated directly into the key, but it doesn't have the cherry stabilizers which i need after all. I accidentally broke a stabilizer key on one of my spare rubberdome keyboards, so i got an idea how tricky it could be removing/reinstalling the stabilizer keys on say a Filco.


Anyway don't you already have a Ducky ? Why order another one :/


PS: i'm not selling my pbt keycaps if thats what your asking me :p
Title: 104 US ANSI Double shot replacements for Filco Order
Post by: Moogle Stiltzkin on Tue, 23 November 2010, 02:26:28
Quote from: laden3;251064
Asking why do u need more than 1 set of keycaps is liek asking why do u need more than 1 keyboard >.<

I was gonna say that :peep:

Anyway i would have to say i was curious to find out the difference between the 2.

The font small vs big; lasered vs doubleshot; different color scheme; abs vs pbt. Same reason why people on Gh bought a few kbs :X to try them out.
Title: 104 US ANSI Double shot replacements for Filco Order
Post by: Lanx on Tue, 23 November 2010, 02:59:17
these cherry keycaps just feel low quality compared to basic stock g80 cherry keycaps. it's like if you take a signature keycap and bend it, i bet i'd snap in half (with just your fingers).
Title: 104 US ANSI Double shot replacements for Filco Order
Post by: squarebox on Tue, 23 November 2010, 03:38:51
Quote from: laden3;251064
Asking why do u need more than 1 set of keycaps is liek asking why do u need more than 1 keyboard >.<

I have more than one keyboard but i use them all...
6Gv2 for work
Filco for my desktop
Ducky for my deskbound laptop

@Moogle Stiltzkin : I'm not interested in buying PBT as I already have KBC PBT keycaps.
I'm just asking because I have no idea what to do with any more extra keycaps as currently in use keycaps will last a long long time regardless of material.
Title: 104 US ANSI Double shot replacements for Filco Order
Post by: Moogle Stiltzkin on Tue, 23 November 2010, 03:50:16
(http://images.tabulas.com/2/r/fry-see-what-you-did-there.jpg)

So basically your just trolling :bolt:

But in case your not, just sell them or keep them. Your choice :x You never know but you could use them for a new keyboard in the future.


A better question would be why did keyboardlover order this set when he has a topre keyboard that isn't compatible with them :rofl:
Title: 104 US ANSI Double shot replacements for Filco Order
Post by: squarebox on Tue, 23 November 2010, 03:59:45
I'm just asking for an honest opinion.
I asking because you are the only person, I know of with 2 set of perfect good keycaps with one keyboard.

I didn't know that was trolling, I'm truly sorry.
Title: 104 US ANSI Double shot replacements for Filco Order
Post by: Kairxa on Tue, 23 November 2010, 05:07:23
There there, stop having your lovey dovey quarrel in here. Do it in somewhere else.
Title: 104 US ANSI Double shot replacements for Filco Order
Post by: Parak on Tue, 23 November 2010, 07:26:55
Quote from: Kairxa;251078
There there, stop having your lovey dovey quarrel in here. Do it in somewhere else.


:spit:
Title: Got mine today! All glories to WhiteRice!
Post by: 7bit on Tue, 23 November 2010, 07:53:40
(http://geekhack.org/attachment.php?attachmentid=13637&stc=1&d=1290520290)
I'm glad there are no bite marks from the bomb-squad dogs.

Keys feel similar to IBM caps. In comparison to good old Cherry double shots, they feel as light as air, so don't open a window when changing keys!

Thank you very, very much for letting this come true!

All glories to WhiteRice!
Title: 104 US ANSI Double shot replacements for Filco Order
Post by: Megaweapon on Tue, 23 November 2010, 08:22:11
Quote from: nanu;250802
I don't know about the Dolch color scheme, but I wanted the grey to have been darker, at least as dark as the average of the two-tones


I strongly disagree.  As I stated upthread:  If the gray was darker it would make the set look cheap -- as if you hadn't actually shelled out to replace the (essentially black at that point) keys.
Title: 104 US ANSI Double shot replacements for Filco Order
Post by: Lanx on Tue, 23 November 2010, 08:30:36
i've been trying this, basically i've inverted the bottom row to the top home row, and it has a nice "slant" i guess almost like a kinesis kind of feel? though i don't have one
(http://img403.imageshack.us/img403/1112/tophomerow.jpg) (http://img403.imageshack.us/i/tophomerow.jpg/)

here's a side view to see the profile. feels nice
now of course this looks EXTREMELY wacky and you can't use this unless you touch type.
(http://img413.imageshack.us/img413/8795/sideviewx.jpg) (http://img413.imageshack.us/i/sideviewx.jpg/)
Title: 104 US ANSI Double shot replacements for Filco Order
Post by: squarebox on Tue, 23 November 2010, 08:40:19
Thanks WhiteRice for this

(http://i89.photobucket.com/albums/k221/undarken/Ducky%209008%20Keyboard/orangekeys.jpg)

Opinion:
They really awesome but there's still room for improvement.
Some of the key's lettering are offset too much to the left. (too close to the edge)
Love the reduce height. Feels nicer to type on.

Side notes:
My Cherry MX Blue sound less high pitch than before.
Title: 104 US ANSI Double shot replacements for Filco Order
Post by: RoboKrikit on Tue, 23 November 2010, 10:58:39
Quote from: squarebox;251140
Some of the key's lettering are offset too much to the left. (too close to the edge)


I think the light might be playing tricks on your eyes.  I thought the same thing the first night I had my set on, but it only looks this way with uneven lighting like side lighting.  Because the letters are directly in the center, the gradient caused by the light makes it look like the letters are off-center; in my case they looked like they were offset too much to the right.

If I put them directly under the light, I can see that all of the letters are well-centered.
Title: 104 US ANSI Double shot replacements for Filco Order
Post by: squarebox on Tue, 23 November 2010, 11:18:27
The alphabet key are normal to me.
It keys like Control, Alt, Shift, F-keys and etc made too close to the left edge.
Title: 104 US ANSI Double shot replacements for Filco Order
Post by: Lanx on Tue, 23 November 2010, 11:47:23
aren't those ctrl/alt keys supposed to be offcentered left?
Title: 104 US ANSI Double shot replacements for Filco Order
Post by: AvroArrow on Tue, 23 November 2010, 21:08:51
Woohoo!  Mine arrived today and I just finished installing them on my Filco tenkeyless blue.  I like the rougher texture and higher bump on the F,J,5 keys compared to the stock Filco keys.  It's just as loud  but the tone of the clicks are a bit lower than stock.  I'm happy.  BTW, thanks to whoever it was who suggested the tip on using scotch tape on the hole of the stem on the back of the keycap as extra padding so the switch stem fits more snug on the loose ones.  I had to tape the Left Shift and Backspace keys because the white D-ring/wire-loop  things kept falling out.  The Enter, Right Shift, and Space bar fit fine without tape.  I also managed to fit almost all the numpad keycaps on my Filco 22-key numpad except for the "0" and "00" keys.  For some inexplicable reason they rotated those 2 switches 90* from the rest so the switch was offset to the right a bit, just enough to prevent the wide "0/Ins" doubleshot from fitting because it rammed into the "./Del" key.  Oh well, it wasn't really meant to replace that anyway.  

Oh, and a BIG THANK YOU to WhiteRice for organizing this group buy AND shipping it international to those of us who don't reside in the U.S..  On another forum I frequent, I miss a lot of good deals and group buys because the sellers/organizers are unwilling to deal with the hassle of shipping stuff out of country.  I really appreciate your efforts!
Title: 104 US ANSI Double shot replacements for Filco Order
Post by: squarebox on Tue, 23 November 2010, 23:07:07
Quote from: Lanx;251242
aren't those ctrl/alt keys supposed to be offcentered left?


Yup but they are offset too far left that the letters are very close to the edge.
Compared it with ur stock keycaps than you will see it.
Title: 104 US ANSI Double shot replacements for Filco Order
Post by: qlojolp on Wed, 24 November 2010, 04:44:33
Got them yesterday,
Thanks to WhiteRice!

Installed on a Ducky 1087.
(http://i258.photobucket.com/albums/hh256/qlojolp/Keyboards/DSCF0118.jpg)

Another view.
(http://i258.photobucket.com/albums/hh256/qlojolp/Keyboards/DSCF0119.jpg)
Title: Geekhack!
Post by: woebtz on Wed, 24 November 2010, 13:46:01
Installed them last night! Thanks WR!

(http://geekhack.org/attachment.php?attachmentid=13647&stc=1&d=1290627890)
Title: 104 US ANSI Double shot replacements for Filco Order
Post by: hoggy on Thu, 25 November 2010, 14:34:27
Yay! Arrived today!

WhiteRice - many thanks for all this.

Thought the set needed a different keyboard to live on.
Before (with very shiny f12 key)
(http://i987.photobucket.com/albums/ae356/hoggyboard/Keyboards/Accesswithshinykeyset.jpg)

After
(http://i987.photobucket.com/albums/ae356/hoggyboard/Keyboards/Accesswithgeekhackkeyset.jpg)

Some of the keys don't fit - the backspace covers two switches for instance - so I've had to compromise in places.
Title: New caps arrived
Post by: rantenki on Thu, 25 November 2010, 16:40:59
(http://farm6.static.flickr.com/5121/5207723312_18a782c6d0_m.jpg)

The fit is a little loose though...
Title: 104 US ANSI Double shot replacements for Filco Order
Post by: Moogle Stiltzkin on Thu, 25 November 2010, 16:56:09
Quote from: rantenki;252404
Show Image
(http://farm6.static.flickr.com/5121/5207723312_18a782c6d0_m.jpg)


The fit is a little loose though...


Wiggle much ? :smow:
Title: New caps arrived
Post by: rantenki on Thu, 25 November 2010, 17:27:20
(http://farm6.static.flickr.com/5121/5207723312_18a782c6d0_m.jpg)

The fit is a little loose though...
Title: 104 US ANSI Double shot replacements for Filco Order
Post by: chet0 on Fri, 26 November 2010, 06:15:11
Got mine today. Cheers to WhiteRice!! :))

(http://geekhack.org/attachment.php?attachmentid=13666&stc=1&d=1290773552):cheer2:
Title: 104 US ANSI Double shot replacements for Filco Order
Post by: tjweir on Fri, 26 November 2010, 07:04:11
Quote from: chet0;252501
Got mine today. Cheers to WhiteRice!! :))

Show Image
(http://geekhack.org/attachment.php?attachmentid=13666&stc=1&d=1290773552)
:cheer2:


Damn, they look so pimp!
Title: 104 US ANSI Double shot replacements for Filco Order
Post by: Hak Foo on Fri, 26 November 2010, 22:24:22
Finally checking in - they do have a nice retro look with the 3000; and they do feel more solid than the Cherry doubleshots i had on, in terms of sound.
(http://geekhack.org/attachment.php?attachmentid=13676&d=1290831824)
Now for the classic Hak Foo *****-o-rama™

I hate the side-print font on PrintScreen and Pause-- it is too far off to match well.  It also feels like the font on the numbers stopped 'trying' after 3, or 2 on the numpad, and became more obviously Arial/Helvetica.

I guess I dreamed of really old school keys.  Cupped, all text centred.  But I'm whiny and never happy.

Off to post "old -8113 set of doubleshots, will trade for 1972 5,000 won note" to kbdmania.:biggrin:
Title: 104 US ANSI Double shot replacements for Filco Order
Post by: nanu on Sat, 27 November 2010, 08:13:19
Your lighting makes them look extra retro :cell:
Quote from: chet0;252501
Got mine today. Cheers to WhiteRice!! :))

Show Image
(http://geekhack.org/attachment.php?attachmentid=13666&stc=1&d=1290773552)
:cheer2:

I wonder if in 20 years anyone will still be using these keycaps.
(http://geekhack.org/attachment.php?attachmentid=13680&stc=1&d=1290867140)
Title: 104 US ANSI Double shot replacements for Filco Order
Post by: didjamatic on Sat, 27 November 2010, 09:29:37
They look great on your wood board Nanu!  Did you "age" that photo?

One thing is for sure, they'll last 20 years if someone wants to use them that long and they're good colors that should age well.
Title: 104 US ANSI Double shot replacements for Filco Order
Post by: Lanx on Sat, 27 November 2010, 09:31:14
Quote from: ripster;252595


Filco on top, Cherry in middle, Signature DCS on bottom
Show Image
(http://farm6.static.flickr.com/5285/5209305941_512f049b9a_b.jpg)

thats why i like flipping the bottom row 180 and juxtaposing it to the top home row, the angle on it is sharp.
Title: 104 US ANSI Double shot replacements for Filco Order
Post by: nanu on Sat, 27 November 2010, 11:30:43
@didjamatic Yeah, it's a colorized version of this  picture (http://geekhack.org/showpost.php?p=249918&postcount=944). I just remember seeing some ancient keyboard posted on GH before that had grey keys having the same sort of yellow/overcooked vegetable tinge.

Re: aggressively "sharp"/downhill front rows: it doesn't feel so apparent to me after angling my hands to suit (read: slouch less + tighten screws on wrist rest brackets).

Maybe it's time to consider modding in back feet instead. That'd help add some mass to the numpad I guess.
Title: 104 US ANSI Double shot replacements for Filco Order
Post by: WhiteRice on Sun, 28 November 2010, 13:02:34
I was sitting low in my chair today and I noticed the sharp space bar some people mentioned way back. You guys need to sit up and get your wrists up! :P
Title: 104 US ANSI Double shot replacements for Filco Order
Post by: Hak Foo on Sun, 28 November 2010, 19:57:51
Apologize for subjecting us to Naruto, Ripster.
Title: 104 US ANSI Double shot replacements for Filco Order
Post by: panda-R on Sun, 28 November 2010, 20:17:51
Quote from: ripster;253602
OK, here's my apology.  A bit NSFW so you've been warned.

Tifa2 (http://pixelatedgeek.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/09/Tifa-600x450.jpg)

this is HAWT!
Title: 104 US ANSI Double shot replacements for Filco Order
Post by: panda-R on Sun, 28 November 2010, 20:28:46
Quote from: ripster;253609
You're supposed to read HER butt.  That's what makes it ART!


panda's do not read!
Title: 104 US ANSI Double shot replacements for Filco Order
Post by: Moogle Stiltzkin on Sun, 28 November 2010, 20:31:30
Quote from: panda-R;253612
panda's do not read!

Then how do you explain this.

(http://i720.photobucket.com/albums/ww206/skim4life21/panda.jpg)


All hail Panda :d
Title: 104 US ANSI Double shot replacements for Filco Order
Post by: sixty on Mon, 29 November 2010, 05:07:31
Still have not received mine. Tracking still lists them to be in New York. Even when considering customs its unlikely to take this long.  :frown:
Title: 104 US ANSI Double shot replacements for Filco Order
Post by: chet0 on Mon, 29 November 2010, 05:15:50
mine kept saying NY for over a week, then one day, it was on my doorstep.
Title: 104 US ANSI Double shot replacements for Filco Order
Post by: panda-R on Mon, 29 November 2010, 09:51:41
Quote from: Moogle Stiltzkin;253615
Then how do you explain this.

Show Image
(http://i720.photobucket.com/albums/ww206/skim4life21/panda.jpg)



All hail Panda :d


Pandas do not explain either!
Title: 104 US ANSI Double shot replacements for Filco Order
Post by: Lanx on Tue, 30 November 2010, 08:09:45
switching back to my old cherry space bar, this on cuts too deep =/
Title: 104 US ANSI Double shot replacements for Filco Order
Post by: WhiteRice on Tue, 30 November 2010, 14:03:34
Quote from: Lanx;254271
switching back to my old cherry space bar, this on cuts too deep =/
Did you try turning it around. I forget where but I saw that someone else did something similar.
Title: 104 US ANSI Double shot replacements for Filco Order
Post by: Lanx on Tue, 30 November 2010, 14:56:48
mines a cherry so it's to the right i could mod it tho but easier just to go back to regular.
Title: 104 US ANSI Double shot replacements for Filco Order
Post by: ironman31 on Tue, 30 November 2010, 14:57:45
Quote from: WhiteRice;254479
Did you try turning it around. I forget where but I saw that someone else did something similar.


I tried that with the signature plastics spacebar and it sits at a very obtuse angle. It helped a lot with the sharpness, but it looked pretty ridiculous.
Title: 104 US ANSI Double shot replacements for Filco Order
Post by: itlnstln on Tue, 30 November 2010, 15:25:24
It's weird that spacebars cause pain for some people.  Ironman, do you use a wrist rest or hold your hands over the keyboard?  I am wondering if "sharp spacebars" only affect people that rest their palms on the desk.  I use a wrist rest, and my thumbs only touch the top of the spacebar (on the SP one or the Realforce which seems to bother people as well).
Title: 104 US ANSI Double shot replacements for Filco Order
Post by: ironman31 on Tue, 30 November 2010, 15:36:25
I use a wrist rest and keep my hands on it while I type
Title: 104 US ANSI Double shot replacements for Filco Order
Post by: itlnstln on Tue, 30 November 2010, 15:39:47
Well, there goes that theory.
Title: 104 US ANSI Double shot replacements for Filco Order
Post by: itlnstln on Tue, 30 November 2010, 15:54:03
I like the Filco spacebar.  Other than the shininess, it's probably the best thing about it.  I would avoid the bench grinder; those SP caps are pretty thin.
Title: 104 US ANSI Double shot replacements for Filco Order
Post by: Manyak on Wed, 01 December 2010, 00:25:24
I can't believe I missed this :(
Title: 104 US ANSI Double shot replacements for Filco Order
Post by: sairex on Wed, 01 December 2010, 00:36:25
Since I just recently joined, I missed this too :(  Hopefully the next groupbuy happens.  I'm jealous of those keys!
Title: 104 US ANSI Double shot replacements for Filco Order
Post by: Manyak on Wed, 01 December 2010, 01:58:10
Quote from: ripster;254739
Came out nice with suprisingly crisp lettering.


For some reason that made me think of Pringles.

Maybe because I'm hungry.
Title: 104 US ANSI Double shot replacements for Filco Order
Post by: itlnstln on Wed, 01 December 2010, 06:58:04
The SP caps are pretty nice.  They are nowhere near as beefy as the Cherry Corp. double-shots, though.  I broke out the G80-1863 yesterday, and it was half as loud as my 3000 with the SP caps.  I do like the texture and the crispness of the molding of the SP caps.  The font is nicer than the 3rd grade bubble letters on the Cherry keys.
Title: 104 US ANSI Double shot replacements for Filco Order
Post by: inlikeflynn on Thu, 02 December 2010, 23:18:16
wow, these all look awesome!

anyone want to sell theirs? I'm serious :-)
Title: 104 US ANSI Double shot replacements for Filco Order
Post by: ironman31 on Thu, 02 December 2010, 23:20:51
I think keyboardlover was trying to sell his if I'm not mistaken
Title: 104 US ANSI Double shot replacements for Filco Order
Post by: inlikeflynn on Thu, 02 December 2010, 23:29:11
thanks for the tip! I msg'd keyboardlover to see if they are still available
Title: 104 US ANSI Double shot replacements for Filco Order
Post by: ironman31 on Thu, 02 December 2010, 23:38:56
I hope I'm not wrong, wouldn't want to destroy your dreams
Title: 104 US ANSI Double shot replacements for Filco Order
Post by: keyboardlover on Fri, 03 December 2010, 08:32:47
Quote from: ironman31;256123
I think keyboardlover was trying to sell his if I'm not mistaken

Mine sold already fyi! =)
Thanks for the mention though!
Title: 104 US ANSI Double shot replacements for Filco Order
Post by: woody on Fri, 03 December 2010, 10:08:45
Quote from: inlikeflynn;256137
...

I wouldn't get your nickname if I haven't played this just last night. Talk about chances.
Title: 104 US ANSI Double shot replacements for Filco Order
Post by: MysteryOfTime on Sun, 05 December 2010, 23:16:41
Anyone selling a set of these by chance?
Title: 104 US ANSI Double shot replacements for Filco Order
Post by: Laggy-gaga on Mon, 06 December 2010, 00:10:29
Sry for posting late
those keycaps are great!
thanks whiterice
(http://lh3.ggpht.com/_ja6XW7vy_VA/TPx8-uFcDbI/AAAAAAAC1eE/Bnjn6CSyO2Q/s800/IMG_7476.jpg)
(http://lh3.ggpht.com/_ja6XW7vy_VA/TPx9DGmCyqI/AAAAAAAC1eM/e4KQ38BcH30/s800/IMG_7480.jpg)
(http://lh6.ggpht.com/_ja6XW7vy_VA/TPx9I3VOXfI/AAAAAAAC1ec/gQOrHK_bYG0/s800/IMG_7487.jpg)
(http://lh3.ggpht.com/_ja6XW7vy_VA/TPx9MHIqm4I/AAAAAAAC1ek/xuVVNRj10z0/s800/IMG_7488.jpg)
Title: 104 US ANSI Double shot replacements for Filco Order
Post by: Moogle Stiltzkin on Mon, 06 December 2010, 04:04:55
Laggy-gaga looks great :D gratz
Title: 104 US ANSI Double shot replacements for Filco Order
Post by: muchadoaboutnothing on Mon, 06 December 2010, 08:11:01
Quote from: MysteryOfTime;257878
Anyone selling a set of these by chance?


I'm giving serious thought to selling my second set, but I'm 99% sure I've promised first notice to an individual here already (I'm going to check my post history). If so, I have to honor that.
Title: 104 US ANSI Double shot replacements for Filco Order
Post by: MysteryOfTime on Mon, 06 December 2010, 09:57:48
Quote from: muchadoaboutnothing;257972
I'm giving serious thought to selling my second set, but I'm 99% sure I've promised first notice to an individual here already (I'm going to check my post history). If so, I have to honor that.


I appreciate your response, I got lucky and someone sold me their set. Thanks though!
Title: 104 US ANSI Double shot replacements for Filco Order
Post by: inlikeflynn on Mon, 06 December 2010, 12:45:20
Quote from: muchadoaboutnothing;257972
I'm giving serious thought to selling my second set, but I'm 99% sure I've promised first notice to an individual here already (I'm going to check my post history). If so, I have to honor that.


If you don't already have them promised them to someone else, I'd be glad to take them off your hands :-)

-Shaun
Title: 104 US ANSI Double shot replacements for Filco Order
Post by: muchadoaboutnothing on Mon, 06 December 2010, 13:15:17
Quote from: inlikeflynn;258105
If you don't already have them promised them to someone else, I'd be glad to take them off your hands :-)

-Shaun


I promised tjweir first crack. I'll let you know if that falls through - he asked if I got the booster pack. I didn't, and that may be a deal breaker.
Title: 104 US ANSI Double shot replacements for Filco Order
Post by: muchadoaboutnothing on Mon, 06 December 2010, 14:58:17
tjweir took the keycaps, paid and ready to ship tomorrow (apparently the USPS requires in person delivery to a USPS employee for International Priority Mail, which I can't do today).
Title: 104 US ANSI Double shot replacements for Filco Order
Post by: tjweir on Tue, 07 December 2010, 09:25:37
Quote from: muchadoaboutnothing;258221
tjweir took the keycaps, paid and ready to ship tomorrow (apparently the USPS requires in person delivery to a USPS employee for International Priority Mail, which I can't do today).


Hooray!
Title: 104 US ANSI Double shot replacements for Filco Order
Post by: panda-R on Tue, 07 December 2010, 13:17:59
Quote from: mazda;258836
Be interesting, eh.......


wah?
Title: 104 US ANSI Double shot replacements for Filco Order
Post by: WhiteRice on Tue, 07 December 2010, 13:19:20
Quote from: panda-R;258838
wah?
I think it's a spam bot.
Title: 104 US ANSI Double shot replacements for Filco Order
Post by: salcan on Thu, 09 December 2010, 11:36:14
hm, I missed this thread. Would be interested in an set if someone has one lying around.

If someone has a partial set I could actually just take the Esc, CapLock, Shift, Ctrl, Windows, Alt (etc)... the ones that a Cherry doubleshot keyset won't work on a filco 104. I'd consider a trade as well if someone wants the Cherry ds set.
Title: 104 US ANSI Double shot replacements for Filco Order
Post by: salcan on Thu, 09 December 2010, 11:37:43
hm, I missed this thread. Would be interested in an set if someone one lying around.

If someone has a partial set I could actually just take the Esc, CapLock, Shift, Ctrl, Windows, Alt (etc)... the ones that a Cherry doubleshot keyset won't work on a filco 104. I'd consider a trade as well if someone wants the Cherry ds set.
Title: 104 US ANSI Double shot replacements for Filco Order
Post by: jimmy919 on Thu, 09 December 2010, 20:28:31
I'd also be interested in buying the full set of keycaps from a less-than-satisfied purchaser.
Title: 104 US ANSI Double shot replacements for Filco Order
Post by: isp on Mon, 13 December 2010, 00:04:10
Edit: Sold my set to jimmy919.
Title: 104 US ANSI Double shot replacements for Filco Order
Post by: AndrewZorn on Mon, 13 December 2010, 00:32:17
I know the Leopold stabilizers are different than a Filco, but are the keys the same?

I would love to buy some doubleshots if so, and man oh man, with proper Ctrl/Caps flip and Meta keys... they would be perfect.
Title: 104 US ANSI Double shot replacements for Filco Order
Post by: WhiteRice on Mon, 13 December 2010, 00:35:46
If they are similar to the cherry stabilizers then yes. Ducky 1087s use cherry stabilizers and my keys fit fine.
Title: 104 US ANSI Double shot replacements for Filco Order
Post by: sixty on Mon, 13 December 2010, 00:54:13
They will fit fine, but won't fit the spacebar, which kinda instantly ruins the colorscheme.
Title: 104 US ANSI Double shot replacements for Filco Order
Post by: Moogle Stiltzkin on Mon, 13 December 2010, 04:46:41
The spacebar should fit both ducky and leopold since the cross points match.

It is the cherry keyboards that won't fit because the spacebar crosspoint is slightly off center.
Title: 104 US ANSI Double shot replacements for Filco Order
Post by: sixty on Mon, 13 December 2010, 04:56:18
Quote from: Moogle Stiltzkin;262124
The spacebar should fit both ducky and leopold since the cross points match.

It is the cherry keyboards that won't fit because the spacebar crosspoint is slightly off center.

Until you actually get a mechanical keyboard, please stop talking about stuff you do not have the slightest clue about.

Ducky will fit, Cherry will fit (g80-3000 winkey, g80-1800 winkey) since the Korean guys who originally ordered the set that we cloned designed it to fit both the Filco and Cherry.

Leopold does not fit because it uses an entirely differently aligned spacebar, because it is made by an entirely different OEM.
Title: 104 US ANSI Double shot replacements for Filco Order
Post by: laden3 on Mon, 13 December 2010, 05:19:49
the stabilizers are nearer to the switch? btw, are the keys pbt? I couldn't find any clue abt them talking abt the material used for their keycaps. I am assuming that if they use pbt, they will talk abt it.
Title: 104 US ANSI Double shot replacements for Filco Order
Post by: sixty on Mon, 13 December 2010, 05:39:19
Quote from: laden3;262129
the stabilizers are nearer to the switch? btw, are the keys pbt? I couldn't find any clue abt them talking abt the material used for their keycaps. I am assuming that if they use pbt, they will talk abt it.


Yes, thats right. Cross-Stabilizers are closer to the switch, leaving more space on each side of the spacebar.
Title: 104 US ANSI Double shot replacements for Filco Order
Post by: laden3 on Mon, 13 December 2010, 05:44:10
what abt the keys...ima assume they r abs ^^
Title: 104 US ANSI Double shot replacements for Filco Order
Post by: sixty on Mon, 13 December 2010, 05:47:49
Quote from: laden3;262139
what abt the keys...ima assume they r abs ^^


Yeah, its ABS. I originally assumed PBT, but had corrected it later after I had received confirmation from my contact.
Title: 104 US ANSI Double shot replacements for Filco Order
Post by: Moogle Stiltzkin on Mon, 13 December 2010, 06:29:21
Quote from: sixty;262125
Until you actually get a mechanical keyboard, please stop talking about stuff you do not have the slightest clue about.

Well just cause i dont have one yet doesn't mean i don't know some stuff i've read about.

Quote
"So long as we do not depend on the facts entirely, incomplete knowledge is better than complete ignorance."

Sorry if i can't get 100% facts straight sometimes; i'm still learning. Like everything on the internet take with a grain of salt :/ But it's distasteful how you seem to think that your the sole authority on mech keyboard just cause you own some :/ let others have their own assumptions; and yes i'll gladly learn from my mistakes. But i can do without your condescending tone thank you very much your lordship.



Quote from: sixty;262125
Ducky will fit, Cherry will fit (g80-3000 winkey, g80-1800 winkey) since the Korean guys who originally ordered the set that we cloned designed it to fit both the Filco and Cherry.

I checked the underside of the gh set and there seems to be an extra cross point off center. So you might be right. Careless mistake on my part.


Quote from: sixty;262125
Leopold does not fit because it uses an entirely differently aligned spacebar, because it is made by an entirely different OEM.

This i was not aware of. But honest mistake seeing as how leopold and ducky look very similar don't they. I am aware that some keyboards have longer and shorter spacebars; but i thought ducky spacebar is the norm size and standard ?
Title: 104 US ANSI Double shot replacements for Filco Order
Post by: sixty on Mon, 13 December 2010, 07:46:40
Quote from: Moogle Stiltzkin;262155
Well just cause i dont have one yet doesn't mean i don't know some stuff i've read about. You'd be a fool to ignore that even if some stuff are half truths. Sorry if i can't get 100% facts straight sometimes; i'm still learning. Like everything on the internet take with a grain of salt :/ But it's distasteful how you seem to think that your the sole authority on mech keyboard just cause you own some :/ let others have their own assumptions; and yes i'll gladly learn from my mistakes. But i can do without your condescending tone thank you very much your lordship.

Didn't really mean to be that offensive, apologies. However, I don't think its a good idea to spread half-truths and total guesses though. Especially not when questions have been answered correctly several times in several threads including this very one (including once just two posts before your post), for example by people posting pictures of them working fine on Cherry keyboards (http://geekhack.org/attachment.php?attachmentid=13524&stc=1&d=1289914786) and elsewhere of people reporting the spacebar not to work on the Leopold board (http://oi52.tinypic.com/14il6qh.jpg).

Knowledge is not about the amount of keyboards you own, some of the most knowledgeable people on this board barely own a few. But if you want to learn and gain knowledge you should at least bother to invest some time researching (or in this case, even only scrolling back a few posts) instead of mindlessly spreading wrong info.

You just happened to be in the target of my monday-morning-rage. Apologies again.
Title: 104 US ANSI Double shot replacements for Filco Order
Post by: squarebox on Mon, 13 December 2010, 08:55:53
My G80-3494

(http://i89.photobucket.com/albums/k221/undarken/G80-3494/DB1.jpg)

(http://i89.photobucket.com/albums/k221/undarken/G80-3494/DB2.jpg)
Title: 104 US ANSI Double shot replacements for Filco Order
Post by: Moogle Stiltzkin on Mon, 13 December 2010, 09:09:19
Quote from: sixty;262171
Didn't really mean to be that offensive, apologies. However, I don't think its a good idea to spread half-truths and total guesses though. Especially not when questions have been answered correctly several times in several threads including this very one (including once just two posts before your post), for example by people posting pictures of them working fine on Cherry keyboards (http://geekhack.org/attachment.php?attachmentid=13524&stc=1&d=1289914786) and elsewhere of people reporting the spacebar not to work on the Leopold board (http://oi52.tinypic.com/14il6qh.jpg).

Knowledge is not about the amount of keyboards you own, some of the most knowledgeable people on this board barely own a few. But if you want to learn and gain knowledge you should at least bother to invest some time researching (or in this case, even only scrolling back a few posts) instead of mindlessly spreading wrong info.

You just happened to be in the target of my monday-morning-rage. Apologies again.

If it wasn't your intention then i believe you.

You must forgive me because part of my thought process is conjectures and yes i have a habit of speaking them out.

But this to me is good cause then you or others can correct me then i can learn something :X

I'll try to keep it at minimum :/ (but don't expect miracles)

Anyway :X like squarebox showed in his pics the cherry keyboard does support it.

That looks seriously sexy :d
Title: 104 US ANSI Double shot replacements for Filco Order
Post by: Moogle Stiltzkin on Mon, 13 December 2010, 09:16:14
Quote from: ripster;262221
Actually I have spent a lot of time Moogle correcting your false statements.

Chill with the speculation dude.  Even MW at 4000+ posts at least owns a couple of mechanical keyboards.

This isn't OCN.

bad news. Seems Walrus has said the keyboard has been delayed for another week :rip:



Quote from: ripster;262221
Actually I have spent a lot of time Moogle correcting your false statements.

Chill with the speculation dude.  Even MW at 4000+ posts at least owns a couple of mechanical keyboards.

This isn't OCN.

Funny because i saw on  a few occasions you kept saying Topre was nKRO. technically it is but functionally it doesn't because you need to mod to get it to work so i am told. So you too are spreading misconceptions which i helped to correct :/
Title: 104 US ANSI Double shot replacements for Filco Order
Post by: itlnstln on Mon, 13 December 2010, 09:38:30
Moogle's new avatar reminds me of

(http://t2.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcST3ILPpjIkBAjYLl5FVVsg7XUxZR89y1AvcstAv2QTL_YLk_3Sdw)
Title: 104 US ANSI Double shot replacements for Filco Order
Post by: RoboKrikit on Mon, 13 December 2010, 10:47:08
Careful, that music is contagious.
Title: 104 US ANSI Double shot replacements for Filco Order
Post by: armenws on Mon, 13 December 2010, 20:53:46
looking forward to the next batch of these.
Title: 104 US ANSI Double shot replacements for Filco Order
Post by: Moogle Stiltzkin on Tue, 14 December 2010, 03:42:08
Quote from: armenws;262615
looking forward to the next batch of these.


Panda is working on it but most likely won't be the same :X

http://geekhack.org/showthread.php?t=12682
Title: 104 US ANSI Double shot replacements for Filco Order
Post by: armenws on Wed, 16 February 2011, 20:33:28
Just to clarify - is this buy to order This:
(http://imgur.com/rJLpu.jpg)
?

If not, where can I get the set in the pic??
Title: 104 US ANSI Double shot replacements for Filco Order
Post by: keyboardlover on Wed, 16 February 2011, 20:36:35
Those were from a group buy that came and went. We are doing a new version now so hurry up and send in your vote/order (http://geekhack.org/showthread.php?t=13664). The color scheme is the same on the standard set in said group buy.
Title: 104 US ANSI Double shot replacements for Filco Order
Post by: armenws on Wed, 16 February 2011, 21:07:43
thanks
Title: 104 US ANSI Double shot replacements for Filco Order
Post by: keyboardlover on Wed, 16 February 2011, 21:22:42
You're welcome!
Title: 104 US ANSI Double shot replacements for Filco Order
Post by: AgentZen on Sun, 06 November 2011, 22:14:34
Where can I get a set of keys like this for my Filco? That group buy 4 thread is so confusing to me :(
Title: 104 US ANSI Double shot replacements for Filco Order
Post by: RColinTaylor on Sun, 06 November 2011, 22:16:36
Quote from: brsp25;447066
Where can I get a set of keys like this for my Filco? That group buy 4 thread is so confusing to me :(

There is a RD4 for Dummies wiki within the RD4 Wiki.
Title: 104 US ANSI Double shot replacements for Filco Order
Post by: demik on Sun, 06 November 2011, 22:23:21
Quote from: brsp25;447066
Where can I get a set of keys like this for my Filco? That group buy 4 thread is so confusing to me :(
that specific set?

ROUND3/STANDARD

email youremailhere@email

send that to 7bit_R4
Title: 104 US ANSI Double shot replacements for Filco Order
Post by: AgentZen on Sun, 06 November 2011, 22:28:22
Quote from: demik;447072
that specific set?

ROUND3/STANDARD

email youremailhere@email

send that to 7bit_R4

I'm gonna give that a shot thank you!!
Title: 104 US ANSI Double shot replacements for Filco Order
Post by: demik on Sun, 06 November 2011, 22:30:05
np
Title: 104 US ANSI Double shot replacements for Filco Order
Post by: RColinTaylor on Sun, 06 November 2011, 22:31:56
Remember that Round3/Standard does NOT come with a spacebar.
Title: 104 US ANSI Double shot replacements for Filco Order
Post by: AgentZen on Sun, 06 November 2011, 22:38:19
Hmm I'll have to go through and read the round 4 wiki again. Any suggestions on what I should do for a space bar that matches? Also should I get like a confirmation email after sending this PM to 7bit_r4
Title: 104 US ANSI Double shot replacements for Filco Order
Post by: RColinTaylor on Sun, 06 November 2011, 22:46:51
Quote from: brsp25;447079
Hmm I'll have to go through and read the round 4 wiki again. Any suggestions on what I should do for a space bar that matches? Also should I get like a confirmation email after sending this PM to 7bit_r4

Well theres different size spacebars for each keyboard. If you have a Filco, I think its just RD3/Spacebar/Filco or something like that. There is still a design in the works/background that encompasses several spacebars but that is up to 7bit to include later.
Title: 104 US ANSI Double shot replacements for Filco Order
Post by: demik on Sun, 06 November 2011, 22:47:44
ROUND3/SPACE

or

ROUND3/SPACELEO if u need one for a leopold

and sometimes it takes awhile to get the email, just hang tight
Title: 104 US ANSI Double shot replacements for Filco Order
Post by: AgentZen on Sun, 06 November 2011, 23:01:03
Thanks for your help.
Title: 104 US ANSI Double shot replacements for Filco Order
Post by: PointyFox on Sat, 16 June 2012, 23:58:03
I want these :O