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I'm thinking about getting the Rama Leaf to combine with 9009, do you think the colors would match the accents from 9009 or is it a completely different shade of green? Any idea?Hard to say. Do you have a color code for the 9009 green? It still could look nice even if not a perfect match!
I’ll see if I can find that. It’s a stock GMK color afaik. 3U from the top of my head.I'm thinking about getting the Rama Leaf to combine with 9009, do you think the colors would match the accents from 9009 or is it a completely different shade of green? Any idea?Hard to say. Do you have a color code for the 9009 green? It still could look nice even if not a perfect match!
Hey everyone, we’re well on our way to hitting the 250 MOQ, and Rensuya and I wanted to do something special if we hit 500, so the base kit price will drop to $139.99 on CannonKeys if we hit 500 units sold!
Everyone who purchases at the $149.99 price will get a $10 refund if 500 base units are sold.
Sorry for the late reply, yes it will!Hey everyone, we’re well on our way to hitting the 250 MOQ, and Rensuya and I wanted to do something special if we hit 500, so the base kit price will drop to $139.99 on CannonKeys if we hit 500 units sold!
Everyone who purchases at the $149.99 price will get a $10 refund if 500 base units are sold.
Will that apply to those of us that used PayPal? A lot of vendors have stopped offering refunds on PayPal purchases due to the recent changes in policy.
My wife says this is her favorite set! Also, I LOVE THE DESIGN SO MUCH. Finally, she understands how beautiful GMK has.aw I'm glad she likes it so much! Thanks for the support ;D
Any update on the numbers?They will be updated soon
Just noticed this now: any chance we could add a 6u alpha spacebar to the spacebar kit, or the base kit if 500 MOQ is hit? I was sure there was a 6u spacebar, but looking at the renders now I don't see it. :(I will look into this and see what I can do!
If you agree to add a 6u spacebar to the base kit @ 500 MOQ I swear I will become the biggest GMK PnC shill ever.
Are there any renders of PnC on darker (black) cases?I had some but removed them because the alpha colors were off. Here they're anyway, just keep in mind these are a bit off.
Just noticed this now: any chance we could add a 6u alpha spacebar to the spacebar kit, or the base kit if 500 MOQ is hit? I was sure there was a 6u spacebar, but looking at the renders now I don't see it. :(I will look into this and see what I can do!
If you agree to add a 6u spacebar to the base kit @ 500 MOQ I swear I will become the biggest GMK PnC shill ever.
Are the Peachkey invoices/raffle going to happen after the GB is closed?Sorry for the late reply. Yes, Invoices for both artisans will happen after GB closes!
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Just noticed this now: any chance we could add a 6u alpha spacebar to the spacebar kit, or the base kit if 500 MOQ is hit? I was sure there was a 6u spacebar, but looking at the renders now I don't see it. :(I will look into this and see what I can do!
If you agree to add a 6u spacebar to the base kit @ 500 MOQ I swear I will become the biggest GMK PnC shill ever.
Not really atm, we're waiting to see if it hits first and then probably poll extra key if possible. :thumb:Just noticed this now: any chance we could add a 6u alpha spacebar to the spacebar kit, or the base kit if 500 MOQ is hit? I was sure there was a 6u spacebar, but looking at the renders now I don't see it. :(I will look into this and see what I can do!
If you agree to add a 6u spacebar to the base kit @ 500 MOQ I swear I will become the biggest GMK PnC shill ever.
Have you got any good news for me? :)
how close are we to 500?Idk the exact number but we're over 400. Maybe we can make it but today's the last day! :eek:
HI, So when can we expect a delivery date ?It will ship in December as long as color matching goes well.
Wow, that's a pretty great start in terms of color matching, well done Ren!Thanks! I took several photos of these but they were really hard to capture correctly but I think this photo shows them pretty well. We will keep matching until I'm happy with them :thumb:
Can't find anything about expected shipping date. What's the current status? In my case just for the RAMA Leaf, only thing I ordered :P Will those be shipped at the same time or?
UPDATE 2: We have received round 2 color samples and they're nice but I'm not 100% happy with them and I want you to bring you guys the nicest set possible that also goes along with my vision for the set, so we're getting an R3 of samples. Sadly this will push delivery back but bear with me. I'd rather this set come out nice and later rather than sooner and not so nice :thumb:
Keep in mind the colors will look different to everyone and this photo does not show the colors perfectly. (but it does give a good idea)Show Image(https://i.imgur.com/B2U6l4B.jpg)
It's the same white. PnC is using CP.UPDATE 2: We have received round 2 color samples and they're nice but I'm not 100% happy with them and I want you to bring you guys the nicest set possible that also goes along with my vision for the set, so we're getting an R3 of samples. Sadly this will push delivery back but bear with me. I'd rather this set come out nice and later rather than sooner and not so nice :thumb:
Keep in mind the colors will look different to everyone and this photo does not show the colors perfectly. (but it does give a good idea)Show Image(https://i.imgur.com/B2U6l4B.jpg)
Is Round 2 white the same as Round 1 white?
Dam, round 1 looks much better than round 2 if not closer to the original renders.We'll be sure to take my photos with a grain of salt. They do not represent the actual colors of the caps, they're just for reference. The actual colors are lighter
Dam, round 1 looks much better than round 2 if not closer to the original renders.We'll be sure to take my photos with a grain of salt. They do not represent the actual colors of the caps, they're just for reference. The actual colors are lighter
I agree it's very hard to capture colors correctly. But you can see the difference with the white cap. The colors for round 1 samples looked very close to what I could see in person. But in the round 2 photo you can clearly see CP looks like WS2 or something lol.Dam, round 1 looks much better than round 2 if not closer to the original renders.We'll be sure to take my photos with a grain of salt. They do not represent the actual colors of the caps, they're just for reference. The actual colors are lighter
It's very difficult to shoot two comparable photos:Show Image(https://i.imgur.com/P8hG55A.png)
Dam, round 1 looks much better than round 2 if not closer to the original renders.
I agree it's very hard to capture colors correctly. But you can see the difference with the white cap. The colors for round 1 samples looked very close to what I could see in person. But in the round 2 photo you can clearly see CP looks like WS2 or something lol.Dam, round 1 looks much better than round 2 if not closer to the original renders.We'll be sure to take my photos with a grain of salt. They do not represent the actual colors of the caps, they're just for reference. The actual colors are lighter
It's very difficult to shoot two comparable photos:Show Image(https://i.imgur.com/P8hG55A.png)
Why not take a single photo of both rounds of samples side by side to eliminate as many variables as possible?
First round looked better to my eye. Accent colors are off in both cases, appreciate your discerning eye. Keep at it! :thumb:
I might do that if you're curious, however I still cannot get them to show up right with my camera so you will never see them correctly. These pics were just meant to show updates. I do think R3 is going to be great though. I purchased quite a few physical samples before submitting R3. Trust me these will turn out nice!I agree it's very hard to capture colors correctly. But you can see the difference with the white cap. The colors for round 1 samples looked very close to what I could see in person. But in the round 2 photo you can clearly see CP looks like WS2 or something lol.Dam, round 1 looks much better than round 2 if not closer to the original renders.We'll be sure to take my photos with a grain of salt. They do not represent the actual colors of the caps, they're just for reference. The actual colors are lighter
It's very difficult to shoot two comparable photos:Show Image(https://i.imgur.com/P8hG55A.png)
Why not take a single photo of both rounds of samples side by side to eliminate as many variables as possible?
First round looked better to my eye. Accent colors are off in both cases, appreciate your discerning eye. Keep at it! :thumb:
I might do that if you're curious, however I still cannot get them to show up right with my camera so you will never see them correctly. These pics were just meant to show updates. I do think R3 is going to be great though. I purchased quite a few physical samples before submitting R3. Trust me these will turn out nice!I agree it's very hard to capture colors correctly. But you can see the difference with the white cap. The colors for round 1 samples looked very close to what I could see in person. But in the round 2 photo you can clearly see CP looks like WS2 or something lol.Dam, round 1 looks much better than round 2 if not closer to the original renders.We'll be sure to take my photos with a grain of salt. They do not represent the actual colors of the caps, they're just for reference. The actual colors are lighter
It's very difficult to shoot two comparable photos:Show Image(https://i.imgur.com/P8hG55A.png)
Why not take a single photo of both rounds of samples side by side to eliminate as many variables as possible?
First round looked better to my eye. Accent colors are off in both cases, appreciate your discerning eye. Keep at it! :thumb:
Hi Rensuya! Congrats for the nice numbers! I'm in myself, my first GB and GMK set, so beautifulHey! I have always done this setup with my GMK sets for ISO. And it would be too late to change this for PnC. Thanks for joining!
I love the physical ISO support right out of the box. Now I've noticed that it is somewhere between UK and US (ANSISO). :-\
That is, neither is fully supported.
If at all possible at this point, I would suggest to change the R3 #~ to R3 \| so that US English over ISO would be complete. Maybe you are aware of this piece http://www.farah.cl/Keyboardery/Why-Do-Keycap-Sets-have-so-many-Copies-of-the-Backslash-Pipe-Key/ (http://www.farah.cl/Keyboardery/Why-Do-Keycap-Sets-have-so-many-Copies-of-the-Backslash-Pipe-Key/) by depletedvespene. This is not adding keys, just changing one.
(Over at KAT Atlantis the #~ is of course fine (ISO Kit), because you also provide the top row keys required to have full UK.)
Sorry for being late on this, but I was not aware of it earlier. I think the change to R3 \| would really polish this beauty to perfection; if not, I still love it, even with tiniest of quirks -maybe some change to consider for future sets though.
Thanks for giving us Peaches n Cream - soonish on an ISO TKL in front of me :cool:
Hi! Thank you for getting back to me, and to be honest, I love the set either way :DHi Rensuya! Congrats for the nice numbers! I'm in myself, my first GB and GMK set, so beautifulHey! I have always done this setup with my GMK sets for ISO. And it would be too late to change this for PnC. Thanks for joining!
I love the physical ISO support right out of the box. Now I've noticed that it is somewhere between UK and US (ANSISO). :-\
That is, neither is fully supported.
If at all possible at this point, I would suggest to change the R3 #~ to R3 \| so that US English over ISO would be complete. Maybe you are aware of this piece http://www.farah.cl/Keyboardery/Why-Do-Keycap-Sets-have-so-many-Copies-of-the-Backslash-Pipe-Key/ (http://www.farah.cl/Keyboardery/Why-Do-Keycap-Sets-have-so-many-Copies-of-the-Backslash-Pipe-Key/) by depletedvespene. This is not adding keys, just changing one.
(Over at KAT Atlantis the #~ is of course fine (ISO Kit), because you also provide the top row keys required to have full UK.)
Sorry for being late on this, but I was not aware of it earlier. I think the change to R3 \| would really polish this beauty to perfection; if not, I still love it, even with tiniest of quirks -maybe some change to consider for future sets though.
Thanks for giving us Peaches n Cream - soonish on an ISO TKL in front of me :cool:
I agree with some people here that R1 was much better than R2.Agree!
R2 colors are too bright and sharp, and not as muted like R1 and the renders are.
I hope that R3 colors are more muted/pastel than R2.
Whats the status on this? Would be nice to also have a photo of both rounds together (no matter the camera quality)Currently awaiting R3
And the rama caps? Are those done?Yeah, I think the Rama will ship soon from some proxies if bought separate from keyset.
Any update avail ?:)
Is there an update?
And still no Rama caps? Seems stupid to wait for yet another sample round if you only ordered a rama cap...Well I believe those that purchased only Rama and deskmats will start to get those once vendors have them.
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Any update avail?No, but I should be getting r3 soon
March 20th - GMK PnC will finally arrive!https://www.instagram.com/p/B9E-KGLKOY8/ (https://www.instagram.com/p/B9E-KGLKOY8/)
Any chance extra will be for sale? I was too late to the GBThe vendors will have extras, so no worries :)
What extras will be available through cannon keys? I’d love to try and pick up all sets + Rama caps
Any updates?Currently this is shipping to the vendors
Will they be coming out this month?Yes, shipping was delayed a bit due to COVID19 but It should be getting to vendors soon to then be sorted and shipped to buyers :thumb:
Shipping Update: We got notice from GMK today that they're going to be moving a lot slower due to COVID19. Delivery on this to vendors is being delayed 3-4 weeks. I know this sucks guys but it seems almost everywhere is getting affected by this sadly. I will update you all when I know more.
Thank you for your continued patience everyone and stay safe!
Please silence my worries with a colour accurate photo, because I am getting nervous with the recent influx of instagram photos of this set, they don't look peachy.
Color Update: Hey everyone! I know there are some Instagram photos floating around and hopefully, this will ease your concerns. In the following photos below myself and Upas used the same 2 caps in each photo, the caps used are the final production samples and will be what everyone receives. A few things to keep in mind
1. keysets are not always a 1:1 to renders, that's expected with every keyset. That said I am happy with how these colors turned out based on my vision for the set.
2. You will see how lighting can affect these colors in various different photos taken (especially so in some of Upas's photos)
3. Everyone uses different screens to view these photos, not everyone is going to see them the same.
4. These are just pictures we took with 2 different cameras and have not been edited at all.
5. Everyone sees colors differently.
Thank you for your continued patience everyone and stay safe!Show Image(https://i.imgur.com/zhMqSUx.jpg)Show Image(https://i.imgur.com/HOIXjFZ.jpg)
Color Update: Hey everyone! I know there are some Instagram photos floating around and hopefully, this will ease your concerns. In the following photos below myself and Upas used the same 2 caps in each photo, the caps used are the final production samples and will be what everyone receives. A few things to keep in mind
1. keysets are not always a 1:1 to renders, that's expected with every keyset. That said I am happy with how these colors turned out based on my vision for the set.
2. You will see how lighting can affect these colors in various different photos taken (especially so in some of Upas's photos)
3. Everyone uses different screens to view these photos, not everyone is going to see them the same.
4. These are just pictures we took with 2 different cameras and have not been edited at all.
5. Everyone sees colors differently.
Thank you for your continued patience everyone and stay safe!Show Image(https://i.imgur.com/zhMqSUx.jpg)Show Image(https://i.imgur.com/HOIXjFZ.jpg)
Is this shipping?Some vendors are shipping
https://www.reddit.com/r/MechanicalKeyboards/comments/gc5yam/peaches_cream_yummy
to this
My set came in today, very satisfied with the result, thanks Ren! It's very photogenic.
Some unsolicited advice as someone that used to sell paint as well as do screen-printing: I suggest using paint chips / pantone references when coming up with color sets; It would make color matching easier and there would be no debate of "it looks different depending on lighting/photographer". Regardless, the set looks great, cheers!
I think the set looks great. Very cute. But I would have preferred the render version. The mods are more like neon orange than any shade of peach
I guess we all know what kind of guy you are now, huh? ;)
Glad to see more people are finally getting their sets! Big thanks to everyone who participated in the GB, here are some pics I took on some of my boards ;DShow Image(https://i.imgur.com/jWyBXiw.png)Show Image(https://i.imgur.com/uPwcGUv.png)Show Image(https://i.imgur.com/6xxxS0x.png)Show Image(https://i.imgur.com/a6Out1z.png)Show Image(https://i.imgur.com/toaQeXQ.png)Show Image(https://i.imgur.com/zepfaRG.jpg)Show Image(https://i.imgur.com/TnhqVgU.jpg)
Looks like Tiny hit it out of the park once again!
Waiting patiently for my set to arrive. Unfortunately, it looks like the artisans have been delayed for us EU folk due to a miscommunication. Hoping I don't have to wait for too long. And, most of all, hoping I'll like the set's colors when I see it irl.
Looks like Tiny hit it out of the park once again!
Waiting patiently for my set to arrive. Unfortunately, it looks like the artisans have been delayed for us EU folk due to a miscommunication. Hoping I don't have to wait for too long. And, most of all, hoping I'll like the set's colors when I see it irl.
ooh, where did you get the info about artisans being delayed? i'm in australia and still waiting for mine :')
what's the deal with runners that mess up acting as if everything is just peachyNice pun
Jessica to this day will claim that necro is perfect
what's the deal with runners that mess up acting as if everything is just peachy
Jessica to this day will claim that necro is perfect
what's the deal with runners that mess up acting as if everything is just peachy
Jessica to this day will claim that necro is perfect
what's the deal with runners that mess up acting as if everything is just peachy
Jessica to this day will claim that necro is perfect
what's the deal with runners that mess up acting as if everything is just peachy
Jessica to this day will claim that necro is perfect
Kinda the pot calling the kettle black, no??
what's the deal with runners that mess up acting as if everything is just peachy
Jessica to this day will claim that necro is perfect
... while this set luckily sits nicely in front of me right now and extras are sold out, the whole color matching process was far from optimal and its apparent complexity is a mystery to me...
Picked a different board than originally planned and looks fine, but others may experience a chromatic clash in that regard.
That said, cannot wait to shine it by using it extensively :)
what's the deal with runners that mess up acting as if everything is just peachy
Jessica to this day will claim that necro is perfect
Kinda the pot calling the kettle black, no??
no? where did I mess up and act like everything was fine and ignore criticism?
what's the deal with runners that mess up acting as if everything is just peachy
Jessica to this day will claim that necro is perfect
Kinda the pot calling the kettle black, no??
no? where did I mess up and act like everything was fine and ignore criticism?
I guess with Firefly on indefinite delay we'll just have to wait and see. Still super weird to throw shade when you've been absolutely less than perfect yourself as a designer. Did you even buy this set?
what's the deal with runners that mess up acting as if everything is just peachy
Jessica to this day will claim that necro is perfect
Kinda the pot calling the kettle black, no??
no? where did I mess up and act like everything was fine and ignore criticism?
I guess with Firefly on indefinite delay we'll just have to wait and see. Still super weird to throw shade when you've been absolutely less than perfect yourself as a designer. Did you even buy this set?
What? Everyone makes mistakes. With firefly I was quick to inform everyone of what is going on and what is being done about it. Did you even try reading what I wrote? What I said was that there is a trend of designers acting as if nothing is wrong when there clearly is something wrong. Despite many customers reporting that the set isn't like the renders rensuya claims the opposite. Do you understand what I'm trying to say now?
Big agree that the colours are not at all like renders. I’ll take some pictures later but my caps are very vibrant. The draw of this set was the pastel/faded orange which is a pretty stark difference to what I’ve got sitting in front of me.
I think I’ll be letting this one go unfortunately. Bit disappointing the difference between what was designed and reality.
I’d be happy if mine looked like some of the pictures posted but that’s simply not the case.
I am feeling really confused. My set of peaches n cream arrived today and mine looks like none of these photos. The modifiers are light neon orange and not this yellow-y creamy orange that everyone else is posting. The darker, pinker accents are similar, so they look fine but I don't understand how my mods look so different.
Big agree that the colours are not at all like renders. I’ll take some pictures later but my caps are very vibrant. The draw of this set was the pastel/faded orange which is a pretty stark difference to what I’ve got sitting in front of me.
I think I’ll be letting this one go unfortunately. Bit disappointing the difference between what was designed and reality.
I’d be happy if mine looked like some of the pictures posted but that’s simply not the case.
This is as close to real life as I could get with just my phone. But it's quite close with the caps being only slightly more orange on the sides in the imageShow Image(https://i.imgur.com/LIMYaNS.jpg)I am feeling really confused. My set of peaches n cream arrived today and mine looks like none of these photos. The modifiers are light neon orange and not this yellow-y creamy orange that everyone else is posting. The darker, pinker accents are similar, so they look fine but I don't understand how my mods look so different.
I know how you feel. I don't know how other people look so dramatically different
Big agree that the colours are not at all like renders. I’ll take some pictures later but my caps are very vibrant. The draw of this set was the pastel/faded orange which is a pretty stark difference to what I’ve got sitting in front of me.
I think I’ll be letting this one go unfortunately. Bit disappointing the difference between what was designed and reality.
I’d be happy if mine looked like some of the pictures posted but that’s simply not the case.
This is as close to real life as I could get with just my phone. But it's quite close with the caps being only slightly more orange on the sides in the imageShow Image(https://i.imgur.com/LIMYaNS.jpg)I am feeling really confused. My set of peaches n cream arrived today and mine looks like none of these photos. The modifiers are light neon orange and not this yellow-y creamy orange that everyone else is posting. The darker, pinker accents are similar, so they look fine but I don't understand how my mods look so different.
I know how you feel. I don't know how other people look so dramatically different
To be fair, this isn't the first set, at least from my own point of view, that the actual sets designed by Ren are off colored to the original renders.
First Mizu
Render:Show Image(https://cdn.shopify.com/s/files/1/1674/0405/products/Untitled-9_f9d42c1d-6916-4a2f-914a-62aef7b2ffe8_768x.png?v=1577219270)
Actual:Show Image(https://preview.redd.it/yuotqf9tim941.jpg?width=960&crop=smart&auto=webp&s=548e4df1109b73b5107bd7ddd2cb5f108b176720)
Then now PnC
Render:Show Image(https://i.lih.kg/540/https://geekhack.org/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=101419.0;attach=241360;image)
Actual:Show Image(https://i.lih.kg/540/https://geekhack.org/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=101419.0;attach=241358;image)
credit to Maxferfra (https://geekhack.org/index.php?action=profile;u=71772)
Both shares similar characteristics in terms of the extend of color difference from its original renders - darker.
What I believe is that, if you as an author of the set, believed that the set should go on to a different path when you received the sample chip/key from manufacturer, you should let everyone knows and update the renders before the GB because that's what attracts others to support your project(s) in the first place. An author shouldn't change his direction when he receives everyone's monetary support and attempts on a bait and switch (forgive me if it sounds offensive, but in reality, that's what can be objectively seen as); rather, stick to what was offered to the table, the render's colors.
Ren has been trying to fend off this accusation by saying the colors are reflected differently under different lightings. I partly agree to this saying because lighting does affect colors. But at the end of the day, there is no denying that the colors are conspicuously differently from the renders regardless if the lighting is warm or cold, its just the colors are different, light versus dark, simple as that.
Some argue, its still very good looking.
This is not a valid argument to safeguard his work. It doesn't matter whether the outcome is good or not, its the attitude and quality of work he should ensure himself to uphold because at the end of the day, it's his supporters' whos helping to make this set become a reality. And let's look at this problem from a different perspective, let's say if this turns out very wrong, just like what happened to GMK Necro. Would you be as forgiving as you would? You see, its not about the outcome, not that its not important, but that the attitude and quality of work people entrusted Ren in the first place, he, at least from my point of view, betrays it.
It's very alarming to me that a keyset author has, again, from my point of view, screwed up 2 GMK sets on colorings; I wanted to support community projects, but this is just something that makes me wonder if I should take part in any of Ren's GB in the future.
edit: to further validate my argument, yes, I have a PnC set as well. And to my eyes, its definitely not what was offered and I am to this day still very disappointed.
edit 2: further elaboration
To be fair, this isn't the first set, at least from my own point of view, that the actual sets designed by Ren are off colored to the original renders.
First Mizu
Render:Show Image(https://cdn.shopify.com/s/files/1/1674/0405/products/Untitled-9_f9d42c1d-6916-4a2f-914a-62aef7b2ffe8_768x.png?v=1577219270)
Actual:Show Image(https://preview.redd.it/yuotqf9tim941.jpg?width=960&crop=smart&auto=webp&s=548e4df1109b73b5107bd7ddd2cb5f108b176720)
Then now PnC
Render:Show Image(https://i.lih.kg/540/https://geekhack.org/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=101419.0;attach=241360;image)
Actual:Show Image(https://i.lih.kg/540/https://geekhack.org/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=101419.0;attach=241358;image)
credit to Maxferfra (https://geekhack.org/index.php?action=profile;u=71772)
Both shares similar characteristics in terms of the extend of color difference from its original renders - darker.
What I believe is that, if you as an author of the set, believed that the set should go on to a different path when you received the sample chip/key from manufacturer, you should let everyone knows and update the renders before the GB because that's what attracts others to support your project(s) in the first place. An author shouldn't change his direction when he receives everyone's monetary support and attempts on a bait and switch (forgive me if it sounds offensive, but in reality, that's what can be objectively seen as); rather, stick to what was offered to the table, the render's colors.
Ren has been trying to fend off this accusation by saying the colors are reflected differently under different lightings. I partly agree to this saying because lighting does affect colors. But at the end of the day, there is no denying that the colors are conspicuously differently from the renders regardless if the lighting is warm or cold, its just the colors are different, light versus dark, simple as that.
Some argue, its still very good looking.
This is not a valid argument to safeguard his work. It doesn't matter whether the outcome is good or not, its the attitude and quality of work he should ensure himself to uphold because at the end of the day, it's his supporters' whos helping to make this set become a reality. And let's look at this problem from a different perspective, let's say if this turns out very wrong, just like what happened to GMK Necro. Would you be as forgiving as you would? You see, its not about the outcome, not that its not important, but that the attitude and quality of work people entrusted Ren in the first place, he, at least from my point of view, betrays it.
It's very alarming to me that a keyset author has, again, from my point of view, screwed up 2 GMK sets on colorings; I wanted to support community projects, but this is just something that makes me wonder if I should take part in any of Ren's GB in the future.
edit: to further validate my argument, yes, I have a PnC set as well. And to my eyes, its definitely not what was offered and I am to this day still very disappointed.
edit 2: further elaboration
As an owner of Mizu at least I don't mind it being different then renders. There always has to be some expectation that renders can not ever be 1:1 of color. Can always try to get it as close in person, but if the colors are close to the actual RAL / Pantone chips or colors that you have in person to the ones you made the set with then it gets designed.
The same argument can be said with renders of my own issues with GMK Demon Sword and GMK Rudy where people were calling the navy the exact same. Where looking at in hand RAL book comparing colors they were 100% different but renders made them look similar.
As an owner of Mizu at least I don't mind it being different then renders.
Not quoting just cause of huge wall of text at this point.
It is something you have to wait and see what it is said, stated before it could be 100% matching to the color chips / parts that was in hand. I think comparing this to necro as someone did before was over the top.
Not quoting just cause of huge wall of text at this point.
It is something you have to wait and see what it is said, stated before it could be 100% matching to the color chips / parts that was in hand. I think comparing this to necro as someone did before was over the top.
If that is true, what is the point of renders? Just a vague representation of a concept?
Sorry I'm not buying this logic. An author, who is crowdfunding for a project should be responsible to his supporters. Simple as that.
Not quoting just cause of huge wall of text at this point.
It is something you have to wait and see what it is said, stated before it could be 100% matching to the color chips / parts that was in hand. I think comparing this to necro as someone did before was over the top.
If that is true, what is the point of renders? Just a vague representation of a concept?
Sorry I'm not buying this logic. An author, who is crowdfunding for a project should be responsible to his supporters. Simple as that.
Yes that is the point of renders, renders is to get as close as can to the actual set as possible. Sometimes they are 1:1 sometimes they are slightly off like Mizu and PnC. No different then throwing something up in KLE. The KLE colors are not 100% as HTML colors are not 100% as the actual production color. I have run into this myself multiple times. At times as well looking up colors for other sets. On a computer you try to get as close as possible but can not guarantee it being 100% accurate on a PC as getting something in person and having the color in hand. Designers like Ren at least try I know personally has a Dell Ultrasharp (one of the most color accurate monitors on the market) as well as a calibrator to try to get colors as best as possible. Even then cannot guarantee colors on a computer being the exact same as the in person color book. Again from my own personal experience GMK Rudy vs GMK Demonsword. The navy looks close on renders but in person color book they are leagues different.
That is fine and will be my final point. All I am saying that renders try to get as accurate as possible. You can never 100% guarantee a render is 100% accurate on a computer you try as hard as you can to get it. But nothing compares to the in person color and having your Color Sample and the Product Sample in hand for comparison. If your Color chip sample from the manu. and your product sample from GMK or wherever are matching then it is what you had visioned and designed the set to be.
You can never 100% guarantee a render is 100% accurate on a computer you try as hard as you can to get it.
That is fine and will be my final point. All I am saying that renders try to get as accurate as possible. You can never 100% guarantee a render is 100% accurate on a computer you try as hard as you can to get it. But nothing compares to the in person color and having your Color Sample and the Product Sample in hand for comparison. If your Color chip sample from the manu. and your product sample from GMK or wherever are matching then it is what you had visioned and designed the set to be.
aww man wait, when did extras get sold out, when did extras even go up for sale? :(Have a look at the vendor's shops, you see the elevated prices for the kits - then it's extras. They are usually live when vendors start shipping to customers and sometimes are sold out very quickly. You need to check their website and social media beforehand to know exactly when extras drop :thumb:
Some argue, its still very good looking.Agreed. Here it is luck that many like it regardless. But this is by no means an acquittal.
This is not a valid argument to safeguard his work. It doesn't matter whether the outcome is good or not, its the attitude and quality of work he should ensure himself to uphold because at the end of the day, it's his supporters' whos helping to make this set become a reality. And let's look at this problem from a different perspective, let's say if this turns out very wrong, just like what happened to GMK Necro. Would you be as forgiving as you would? You see, its not about the outcome, not that its not important, but that the attitude and quality of work people entrusted Ren in the first place, he, at least from my point of view, betrays it.
I've refrained from saying anything up to this point because I like my actions to speak louder than my words, but I think it's appropriate to give my thoughts here given the discussion that's been happening.
On the subject of renders... someone earlier brought up Apple. You should check out the renders of products they release before and after the product ships. You might be surprised.
I also think that some people here are overreacting. The set is hard to photograph and some people haven't seen the set in person, and are comparing it to sets that matched much worse.
- Announce RAL colors ahead of time, so customers can validate the color choices based on their own perceptions if they so desire. Renders are never going to be 1:1, but this will let people get an even better idea.
...we'll probably ask for the lighter colors we chose from the pantones. (GMK Pale Peaches?)
I'm all for Paler-PnC.
I would have preferred more muted modifiers as well, but the set is decidedly good-looking.
I think Ren realizes he didn't get it quite right; there is merit to some of the objectionable views here - I think he's working to address these issues.
Ren - run it a 2nd time with Muted Mods please.
Providing color codes (RAL, Pantone, stock colors, etc) ahead of time is always the best practice I think. If consumers are truly worried about what the actual colors will look like before investing they can procure a sample of the colors ahead of time if they want. Colors designed for print like Pantone can still be difficult to imagine as plastic even when you have a book, so getting a plastic sample from Pantone is recommended. Generally it is pretty easy to know ahead of time if a color may be different in the render than in real life (again, muted colors, highlight colors, lighter shades especially).Word!
This is not a knock on this set at all, I personally think it looks great in person, different but good.Yes!
I'm all for Paler-PnC.
I would have preferred more muted modifiers as well, but the set is decidedly good-looking.
I think Ren realizes he didn't get it quite right; there is merit to some of the objectionable views here - I think he's working to address these issues.
Ren - run it a 2nd time with Muted Mods please.
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I'm all for Paler-PnC.
I would have preferred more muted modifiers as well, but the set is decidedly good-looking.
I think Ren realizes he didn't get it quite right; there is merit to some of the objectionable views here - I think he's working to address these issues.
Ren - run it a 2nd time with Muted Mods please.
I'm all for Paler-PnC.
I would have preferred more muted modifiers as well, but the set is decidedly good-looking.
I think Ren realizes he didn't get it quite right; there is merit to some of the objectionable views here - I think he's working to address these issues.
Ren - run it a 2nd time with Muted Mods please.
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I'm all for Paler-PnC.
I would have preferred more muted modifiers as well, but the set is decidedly good-looking.
I think Ren realizes he didn't get it quite right; there is merit to some of the objectionable views here - I think he's working to address these issues.
Ren - run it a 2nd time with Muted Mods please.
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As someone who joined the group buy, I'd be annoyed (perhaps unjustly) if Ren reran the set with modifiers that were closer to the original vision of the set, since a lot of people seem disappointed with how different the final product was to expectations. I understand that caveat emptor applies to group buys and that first adopters of anything run the biggest risk of being disappointed if/when a product is revised, but I think at the very least, it'd be a nice gesture to allow original supporters of the group buy an opportunity to purchase a set of just the modifiers if there's a "corrected" round 2 (and assuming the legends color isn't changed too).
To be fair, this isn't the first set, at least from my own point of view, that the actual sets designed by Ren are off colored to the original renders.
First Mizu
Render:Show Image(https://cdn.shopify.com/s/files/1/1674/0405/products/Untitled-9_f9d42c1d-6916-4a2f-914a-62aef7b2ffe8_768x.png?v=1577219270)
Actual:Show Image(https://preview.redd.it/yuotqf9tim941.jpg?width=960&crop=smart&auto=webp&s=548e4df1109b73b5107bd7ddd2cb5f108b176720)
Then now PnC
Render:Show Image(https://i.lih.kg/540/https://geekhack.org/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=101419.0;attach=241360;image)
Actual:Show Image(https://i.lih.kg/540/https://geekhack.org/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=101419.0;attach=241358;image)
credit to Maxferfra (https://geekhack.org/index.php?action=profile;u=71772)
Both shares similar characteristics in terms of the extend of color difference from its original renders - darker.
What I believe is that, if you as an author of the set, believed that the set should go on to a different path when you received the sample chip/key from manufacturer, you should let everyone knows and update the renders before the GB because that's what attracts others to support your project(s) in the first place. An author shouldn't change his direction when he receives everyone's monetary support and attempts on a bait and switch (forgive me if it sounds offensive, but in reality, that's what can be objectively seen as); rather, stick to what was offered to the table, the render's colors.
Ren has been trying to fend off this accusation by saying the colors are reflected differently under different lightings. I partly agree to this saying because lighting does affect colors. But at the end of the day, there is no denying that the colors are conspicuously differently from the renders regardless if the lighting is warm or cold, its just the colors are different, light versus dark, simple as that.
Some argue, its still very good looking.
This is not a valid argument to safeguard his work. It doesn't matter whether the outcome is good or not, its the attitude and quality of work he should ensure himself to uphold because at the end of the day, it's his supporters' whos helping to make this set become a reality. And let's look at this problem from a different perspective, let's say if this turns out very wrong, just like what happened to GMK Necro. Would you be as forgiving as you would? You see, its not about the outcome, not that its not important, but that the attitude and quality of work people entrusted Ren in the first place, he, at least from my point of view, betrays it.
It's very alarming to me that a keyset author has, again, from my point of view, screwed up 2 GMK sets on colorings (and I just did a brief research, to my surprise, there were only 2 sets designed by Ren that are out in the wild, that's a 100% screw up rate); I wanted to support community projects, but this is just something that makes me wonder if I should take part in any of Ren's GB in the future.
edit: to further validate my argument, yes, I have a PnC set as well. And to my eyes, its definitely not what was offered and I am to this day still very disappointed.
edit 2: further elaboration
edit 3: same ^
To be fair, this isn't the first set, at least from my own point of view, that the actual sets designed by Ren are off colored to the original renders.
First Mizu
Render:Show Image(https://cdn.shopify.com/s/files/1/1674/0405/products/Untitled-9_f9d42c1d-6916-4a2f-914a-62aef7b2ffe8_768x.png?v=1577219270)
Actual:Show Image(https://preview.redd.it/yuotqf9tim941.jpg?width=960&crop=smart&auto=webp&s=548e4df1109b73b5107bd7ddd2cb5f108b176720)
Then now PnC
Render:Show Image(https://i.lih.kg/540/https://geekhack.org/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=101419.0;attach=241360;image)
Actual:Show Image(https://i.lih.kg/540/https://geekhack.org/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=101419.0;attach=241358;image)
credit to Maxferfra (https://geekhack.org/index.php?action=profile;u=71772)
Both shares similar characteristics in terms of the extend of color difference from its original renders - darker.
What I believe is that, if you as an author of the set, believed that the set should go on to a different path when you received the sample chip/key from manufacturer, you should let everyone knows and update the renders before the GB because that's what attracts others to support your project(s) in the first place. An author shouldn't change his direction when he receives everyone's monetary support and attempts on a bait and switch (forgive me if it sounds offensive, but in reality, that's what can be objectively seen as); rather, stick to what was offered to the table, the render's colors.
Ren has been trying to fend off this accusation by saying the colors are reflected differently under different lightings. I partly agree to this saying because lighting does affect colors. But at the end of the day, there is no denying that the colors are conspicuously differently from the renders regardless if the lighting is warm or cold, its just the colors are different, light versus dark, simple as that.
Some argue, its still very good looking.
This is not a valid argument to safeguard his work. It doesn't matter whether the outcome is good or not, its the attitude and quality of work he should ensure himself to uphold because at the end of the day, it's his supporters' whos helping to make this set become a reality. And let's look at this problem from a different perspective, let's say if this turns out very wrong, just like what happened to GMK Necro. Would you be as forgiving as you would? You see, its not about the outcome, not that its not important, but that the attitude and quality of work people entrusted Ren in the first place, he, at least from my point of view, betrays it.
It's very alarming to me that a keyset author has, again, from my point of view, screwed up 2 GMK sets on colorings (and I just did a brief research, to my surprise, there were only 2 sets designed by Ren that are out in the wild, that's a 100% screw up rate); I wanted to support community projects, but this is just something that makes me wonder if I should take part in any of Ren's GB in the future.
edit: to further validate my argument, yes, I have a PnC set as well. And to my eyes, its definitely not what was offered and I am to this day still very disappointed.
edit 2: further elaboration
edit 3: same ^
i did not get PnC but did get Mizu. I just wanted to chip in here to mention that my Mizu set actually looks alot closer to the render here than the photo. Something is off about the color correction of that photo.
Can't comment about PnC but Ren definitely got Mizu right.
As someone who joined the group buy, I'd be annoyed (perhaps unjustly) if Ren reran the set with modifiers that were closer to the original vision of the set, since a lot of people seem disappointed with how different the final product was to expectations. I understand that caveat emptor applies to group buys and that first adopters of anything run the biggest risk of being disappointed if/when a product is revised, but I think at the very least, it'd be a nice gesture to allow original supporters of the group buy an opportunity to purchase a set of just the modifiers if there's a "corrected" round 2 (and assuming the legends color isn't changed too).
as shown in past cases the best move is to do nothing for this set (since there's nothing to be done) and do better on the next set
often people have kneejerk reactions to things like this because, as you stated, the people who join the buy assume the risk of the colors coming out wrong
if, in a year or two, people are high on this set, then a new round should be considered
otherwise i agree with precedent and that the best course of action is to sell your set if you don't like it and try again in the next buy
a lot of work goes into a GB and pivoting into an r2 of a set that people are currently very low on is highly inadvisable
edit to add: cases like this bring out the amateur color scientists, which is actually kind of fascinating to watch because color science is, to my knowledge, one of the most complex fields and many people misunderstand it
As someone who joined the group buy, I'd be annoyed (perhaps unjustly) if Ren reran the set with modifiers that were closer to the original vision of the set, since a lot of people seem disappointed with how different the final product was to expectations. I understand that caveat emptor applies to group buys and that first adopters of anything run the biggest risk of being disappointed if/when a product is revised, but I think at the very least, it'd be a nice gesture to allow original supporters of the group buy an opportunity to purchase a set of just the modifiers if there's a "corrected" round 2 (and assuming the legends color isn't changed too).
as shown in past cases the best move is to do nothing for this set (since there's nothing to be done) and do better on the next set
often people have kneejerk reactions to things like this because, as you stated, the people who join the buy assume the risk of the colors coming out wrong
if, in a year or two, people are high on this set, then a new round should be considered
otherwise i agree with precedent and that the best course of action is to sell your set if you don't like it and try again in the next buy
a lot of work goes into a GB and pivoting into an r2 of a set that people are currently very low on is highly inadvisable
edit to add: cases like this bring out the amateur color scientists, which is actually kind of fascinating to watch because color science is, to my knowledge, one of the most complex fields and many people misunderstand it
Well said.
I see a lot of people holding on pitch fork and demand the "rendering" version, and the voice seem louder as more group buys passing by. This is a two sides problem, both designer and consumer are responsible. I'm all for designer choose color chip first hand. Just one problem, even if the color already picked, chance is the set can come out look like something you wouldnt buy if you see it (in my personal opinion, it is the GMK Metropolis, if I see this set in the real world, I will skip it unhesitatingly, mostly I think because the GMK texture doesnt play well with the color, and the shine, oh god the shine). As consumer, please please don't buy into 3D render, you join a group buy, it is a investment, start to educate yourself and set out your expectation. With me, renders is just " what the set could be" not " what the set should be". Now I join gb because I buy into the designer vision, I trust them to do the best course of action, and I think we as consumers should allow designer make the changes that the best for us (especially when they have chance to see the color in the real world on this certain texture). Heck, GMK PnC take a year to ship out since its IC day, I dont even remember the rendering, I guess you don't too unless you go back to the IC page. So this set ship out to me, who now have almost 0 prior knowledge about the rendering and I love it candidly. I think scale your expectation is one of the best way to manage your own satisfaction.
As consumer, please please don't buy into 3D render, you join a group buy, it is a investment, start to educate yourself and set out your expectation.
I guess you don't too unless you go back to the IC page
I think scale your expectation is one of the best way to manage your own satisfaction.
I see a lot of people holding on pitch fork and demand the "rendering" version, and the voice seem louder as more group buys passing by. This is a two sides problem, both designer and consumer are responsible. I'm all for designer choose color chip first hand. Just one problem, even if the color already picked, chance is the set can come out look like something you wouldnt buy if you see it (in my personal opinion, it is the GMK Metropolis, if I see this set in the real world, I will skip it unhesitatingly, mostly I think because the GMK texture doesnt play well with the color, and the shine, oh god the shine). As consumer, please please don't buy into 3D render, you join a group buy, it is a investment, start to educate yourself and set out your expectation. With me, renders is just " what the set could be" not " what the set should be". Now I join gb because I buy into the designer vision, I trust them to do the best course of action, and I think we as consumers should allow designer make the changes that the best for us (especially when they have chance to see the color in the real world on this certain texture). Heck, GMK PnC take a year to ship out since its IC day, I dont even remember the rendering, I guess you don't too unless you go back to the IC page. So this set ship out to me, who now have almost 0 prior knowledge about the rendering and I love it candidly. I think scale your expectation is one of the best way to manage your own satisfaction.QuoteAs consumer, please please don't buy into 3D render, you join a group buy, it is a investment, start to educate yourself and set out your expectation.
How is this not runner's fault when the color is different from the "expectations" set out from the renders? Someone mentioned earlier with the technology improving exponentially, renders are getting closer and closer to real life representation nowadays when compared to the past. That is the very reason that a GB runner should bear more responsibility to ensure the renders faithfully reflecting the visions because when in the past, the technology barrier was high, there's still excuse to when the actual product came out wrong; but these days? There's simply no excuse.
Not to mention the practice was flawed as well, Ren did color sampling after the GB ended. (I know he does it now on IC, but that's one of the main issues)QuoteI guess you don't too unless you go back to the IC page
No not really, I do remember what its like because that was the very reason why I hopped on a group buy.QuoteI think scale your expectation is one of the best way to manage your own satisfaction.
It's true consumers/supporters should not be 100% reliant on renders; and should acknowledge the risks the come with the group buy. But it doesn't shift away the fact that Ren did a poor job on handling the GB, colors sampling and aftermath of the set.
I see a lot of people holding on pitch fork and demand the "rendering" version, and the voice seem louder as more group buys passing by. This is a two sides problem, both designer and consumer are responsible. I'm all for designer choose color chip first hand. Just one problem, even if the color already picked, chance is the set can come out look like something you wouldnt buy if you see it (in my personal opinion, it is the GMK Metropolis, if I see this set in the real world, I will skip it unhesitatingly, mostly I think because the GMK texture doesnt play well with the color, and the shine, oh god the shine). As consumer, please please don't buy into 3D render, you join a group buy, it is a investment, start to educate yourself and set out your expectation. With me, renders is just " what the set could be" not " what the set should be". Now I join gb because I buy into the designer vision, I trust them to do the best course of action, and I think we as consumers should allow designer make the changes that the best for us (especially when they have chance to see the color in the real world on this certain texture). Heck, GMK PnC take a year to ship out since its IC day, I dont even remember the rendering, I guess you don't too unless you go back to the IC page. So this set ship out to me, who now have almost 0 prior knowledge about the rendering and I love it candidly. I think scale your expectation is one of the best way to manage your own satisfaction.QuoteAs consumer, please please don't buy into 3D render, you join a group buy, it is a investment, start to educate yourself and set out your expectation.
How is this not runner's fault when the color is different from the "expectations" set out from the renders? Someone mentioned earlier with the technology improving exponentially, renders are getting closer and closer to real life representation nowadays when compared to the past. That is the very reason that a GB runner should bear more responsibility to ensure the renders faithfully reflecting the visions because when in the past, the technology barrier was high, there's still excuse to when the actual product came out wrong; but these days? There's simply no excuse.
Not to mention the practice was flawed as well, Ren did color sampling after the GB ended. (I know he does it now on IC, but that's one of the main issues)QuoteI guess you don't too unless you go back to the IC page
No not really, I do remember what its like because that was the very reason why I hopped on a group buy.QuoteI think scale your expectation is one of the best way to manage your own satisfaction.
It's true consumers/supporters should not be 100% reliant on renders; and should acknowledge the risks the come with the group buy. But it doesn't shift away the fact that Ren did a poor job on handling the GB, colors sampling and aftermath of the set.
I already point out best practice won't guarantee best outcome (imo, it is gmk Metro). The dissatisfaction stem from gap between the expectation and reality. Designer job is too lessen this gap, and it is your job as consumer to have accurate expectation too. I also mentioned people should take 3D render like "what is could be", not "what it should be" regardless of the complexity of technology but seem like you are a "Render Purist", so we are actually fundamentally difference when approach a gb, I don't think we merit from argue from two points of view. But even if your critics is valid, Ren already admit their fault and will adding new process of picking color for the new gb. Cross finger, they hold their words. What left? Persistently talking about the mistake without acknowledge their admission of error, make me think you are salty and look at this matter personally. My suggestion is move on, it is better for your health tbf.
Persistently talking about the mistake without acknowledge their admission of error, make me think you are salty and look at this matter personally.
What I was trying to point out is that, the points you brought up were, more like shifting away GB runner's responsibility on, quoting your own words, lessening the gap between expectation and reality, which Ren didn't do it properly. And I also agree that consumers should not be reliant on renders; but what's the problem of faithfully representing a project concept when you have the ability to do so on a crowdfunding project? Is ensuring the consumer what the best representation of a concept guilty?
Senryo, could you do everyone a favor and not pretend like you represent everyone who bought this set? I'm very happy with how mine turned out, as are many others who aren't furiously commenting over and over. Compared to the render, it's well within the expected range of colors that occur when produced. Perhaps you expected something on the lighter end while I expected darker (i.e. how it turned out), but as there's no egregious error in the caps, it's just something you'll have to deal with.
Your analogy doesn't make any sense. As is abundantly clear, final products are supposed to be close to the render, but nowhere has anyone said that it was going to be the exact same.
It's turned out close enough for me and many others. He's not at fault for it not being the exact same, as that's not what's expected from group buys. If that was your expectation coming into the GB, that's again entirely on you and nobody else's fault.
Your analogy doesn't make any sense. As is abundantly clear, final products are supposed to be close to the render, but nowhere has anyone said that it was going to be the exact same.
It's turned out close enough for me and many others. He's not at fault for it not being the exact same, as that's not what's expected from group buys. If that was your expectation coming into the GB, that's again entirely on you and nobody else's fault.
...final products are supposed to be close to the render, but nowhere has anyone said that it was going to be the exact same.
Not sure if you have thoroughly read my arguments, I didn't ask for 1:1 render and reality product but the attitude and quality of work a gb runner should uphold to ensure the trusts placed on him by the consumers in the first place is not misplaced.
Yea I'm probably acting like a police safeguarding the issue. But the problem, again, as stated over and over again, is not how good it turned out in the eye of consumers, but the attitude and quality of work a gb runner should uphold.
I've been saying, its not whether the set came out looking good or not, its the attitude and quality the author is bound to uphold to make his supporters feel ensured and have faith on him.
With that many discussions above, let me reorganized my humble views.
it's not about how good it turned out; its about the process, the choice making and the responsibility to the supporters
it's not about hitting the proposed concepts / renders 1:1, but rather, faithfully following that path you set, not the vision you changed afterwards
He's not at fault for it not being the exact same
Not sure where you get the idea I'm representing everyone. I've explicitly stated multiple times on almost every comments I made that its my personal opinion. Does my personal opinion represent everyone? How?I completely agree.
And how does "doing everyone a favor..." not making you the one representing everyone? Please.
Yea I'm probably acting like a police safeguarding the issue. But the problem, again, as stated over and over again, is not how good it turned out in the eye of consumers, but the attitude and quality of work a gb runner should uphold. You could argue he did nothing wrong because it was "well in the acceptable margin", well, I embrace your view and respect it; but its not changing mine.
I move on; but when someone try to, to my humble opinion, shift responsibility off his shoulder, I would just want to have a civil discussion over that.
↑Your analogy doesn't make any sense. As is abundantly clear, final products are supposed to be close to the render, but nowhere has anyone said that it was going to be the exact same.
It's turned out close enough for me and many others. He's not at fault for it not being the exact same, as that's not what's expected from group buys. If that was your expectation coming into the GB, that's again entirely on you and nobody else's fault.
"Close enough" lul. It's okay if you like the set darker, but saying it's close enough is just false. The end result looks closer to oranges and tangerines rather than peach and cream.
Does anyone know if it's still possible to pick a set up? Thanks
If Peaches n Cream ever runs again, we'll probably ask for the lighter colors we chose from the pantones. (GMK Pale Peaches?). For those of you who are unhappy with the set, I'm truly sorry, and I promise that I'll work harder and do better going forward, and I hope you can see the steps I've taken already.
If Peaches n Cream ever runs again, we'll probably ask for the lighter colors we chose from the pantones. (GMK Pale Peaches?). For those of you who are unhappy with the set, I'm truly sorry, and I promise that I'll work harder and do better going forward, and I hope you can see the steps I've taken already.
Rensuya worked harder by changing the colors for r2 and expecting you to pay him again for something that he had in his power to ship the first time around.
Shameful you and Cannonkeys decided this is the route you wanted to take with this series of keycaps.
If Peaches n Cream ever runs again, we'll probably ask for the lighter colors we chose from the pantones. (GMK Pale Peaches?). For those of you who are unhappy with the set, I'm truly sorry, and I promise that I'll work harder and do better going forward, and I hope you can see the steps I've taken already.
Rensuya worked harder by changing the colors for r2 and expecting you to pay him again for something that he had in his power to ship the first time around.
Shameful you and Cannonkeys decided this is the route you wanted to take with this series of keycaps.
As someone who owns the first set(and like it), and enjoy Cannonkeys products, I also think it wasn't the best approach. It feels like rewarding someone for making a mistake. Hopefully it doesn't come down to that, but what is going to happen if colors don't match again?
Is the Rama peach cap different from R1? I thought Rama was no longer remaking caps from previous runs?
If Peaches n Cream ever runs again, we'll probably ask for the lighter colors we chose from the pantones. (GMK Pale Peaches?). For those of you who are unhappy with the set, I'm truly sorry, and I promise that I'll work harder and do better going forward, and I hope you can see the steps I've taken already.
Rensuya worked harder by changing the colors for r2 and expecting you to pay him again for something that he had in his power to ship the first time around.
Shameful you and Cannonkeys decided this is the route you wanted to take with this series of keycaps.
As someone who owns the first set(and like it), and enjoy Cannonkeys products, I also think it wasn't the best approach. It feels like rewarding someone for making a mistake. Hopefully it doesn't come down to that, but what is going to happen if colors don't match again?
Nothing, obviously, unless enough of the new people who are unaware of the previous issues are willing to boycott further sets once this ships in 2022. Who knows what keyboards will be like then considered the last past year we saw.
I find running it again egregious to no end without compensating people for r1, even though Rensuya admitted to making a mistake.
The fact that r2 isn't being posted on this website where Cannonkeys posts ALL of their group buys and ICs, and only has a few threads on reddit and got one to two instagram posts leading up to the release helps me realize Upas and Ren know they're under fire but don't care.
Why anyone would support these types of practices is beyond me.
Yes, he just doesn't careIf Peaches n Cream ever runs again, we'll probably ask for the lighter colors we chose from the pantones. (GMK Pale Peaches?). For those of you who are unhappy with the set, I'm truly sorry, and I promise that I'll work harder and do better going forward, and I hope you can see the steps I've taken already.
Rensuya worked harder by changing the colors for r2 and expecting you to pay him again for something that he had in his power to ship the first time around.
Shameful you and Cannonkeys decided this is the route you wanted to take with this series of keycaps.
As someone who owns the first set(and like it), and enjoy Cannonkeys products, I also think it wasn't the best approach. It feels like rewarding someone for making a mistake. Hopefully it doesn't come down to that, but what is going to happen if colors don't match again?
Nothing, obviously, unless enough of the new people who are unaware of the previous issues are willing to boycott further sets once this ships in 2022. Who knows what keyboards will be like then considered the last past year we saw.
I find running it again egregious to no end without compensating people for r1, even though Rensuya admitted to making a mistake.
The fact that r2 isn't being posted on this website where Cannonkeys posts ALL of their group buys and ICs, and only has a few threads on reddit and got one to two instagram posts leading up to the release helps me realize Upas and Ren know they're under fire but don't care.
Why anyone would support these types of practices is beyond me.