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Offline sandywind

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Paracord or other long keyboard cables
« on: Mon, 09 August 2021, 10:03:06 »
I'm looking for a longer (Length >= 1.7m) USB cable (A to Mini-B) for my Corsair K65.

I have watched videos on YT of keyboard reviews noticed some are using two cables joined by a large metal connector. Of the two, the cable connected to the keyboard is a spring coiled cable. Some sellers sell both cables (paracord) at a (for me) high price, ~70$. My question is, what is the advantage of such cables (paracord or not paracord, if both exist) and are there cheaper options for a long cable of decent quality?
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Offline Tactile

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Re: Paracord or other long keyboard cables
« Reply #1 on: Mon, 09 August 2021, 12:08:56 »
You can easily find 2 meter cables of the type you want. The paracord cables you've seen offer no advantage other than looks and that fat connector allows detachment.

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Re: Paracord or other long keyboard cables
« Reply #2 on: Wed, 11 August 2021, 10:56:48 »
You can find a lot of cable creators that will do the cable you want for less than $70, no advantage just pur looks.

Offline Leslieann

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Re: Paracord or other long keyboard cables
« Reply #3 on: Wed, 11 August 2021, 12:12:59 »
It's pure looks, there's almost no sense in detaching a cable that's detachable at both ends already.
All you're doing is creating another point of failure and more stress on the cable due to weight and drag. It also has the potential to scratch your desk depending on what it's made of and how much you move things around.

I'd rather use a magnetic cable to de-stress the ports and cables, not increase the chance of problems. Like many others here I use Netdot (gen 10) magnetic cables, they look pretty good out of the box but you could dress them up if you wanted
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Offline sandywind

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Re: Paracord or other long keyboard cables
« Reply #4 on: Fri, 10 September 2021, 19:16:01 »
I like Netdot cables. However I will need an adapter for the mini USB (mini-B) on the K65, I couldn't find a native Netdot cable with a Mini-B connector.
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Offline Leslieann

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Re: Paracord or other long keyboard cables
« Reply #5 on: Fri, 10 September 2021, 21:12:19 »
I like Netdot cables. However I will need an adapter for the mini USB (mini-B) on the K65, I couldn't find a native Netdot cable with a Mini-B connector.
You won't.
There's almost zero market for mini usb and these cables are intended for cell phone and tablet use. I scoured Ebay, Amazon and Aliexpress for them, they don't exist, at least when I looked. While possible someone has since, they use of mini has only fallen further off a cliff so I doubt it.

You can however get mini to micro adapters and probably mini to type-C adapters or do what I did, use a type-C extension and chop off the end and solder it in or make a mini to type c adapter. It may not be possible to make it flush but a small stub isn't bad when on the desk, I find it more of an issue when storing the board.
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Offline TheWonderBubble

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Re: Paracord or other long keyboard cables
« Reply #6 on: Sat, 11 September 2021, 01:29:17 »
It's pure looks, there's almost no sense in detaching a cable that's detachable at both ends already.
All you're doing is creating another point of failure and more stress on the cable due to weight and drag. It also has the potential to scratch your desk depending on what it's made of and how much you move things around.

I'd rather use a magnetic cable to de-stress the ports and cables, not increase the chance of problems. Like many others here I use Netdot (gen 10) magnetic cables, they look pretty good out of the box but you could dress them up if you wanted

Probably a dumb question, but I noticed the gen 10 just says "charging" while gen 12 specifies "data transfer," though it doesn't look like it'd fit in most keyboards with it's round magnet. But gen10 will work for keyboard "data transfer" without issue?
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Offline Leslieann

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Re: Paracord or other long keyboard cables
« Reply #7 on: Sat, 11 September 2021, 23:21:13 »
Probably a dumb question, but I noticed the gen 10 just says "charging" while gen 12 specifies "data transfer," though it doesn't look like it'd fit in most keyboards with it's round magnet. But gen10 will work for keyboard "data transfer" without issue?
Not a dumb question at all actually.
Not sure why they say what they do however it's a Chinese company so it could just be translations in marketing. Several of us use Gen 10 for keyboards including the one I'm currently typing on.

Netdot Gen 3(?) does USB 2.0 power on both sides but only has data on one side of the cable so you have to watch which side is up when you need data.
Netdot Gen 10 does USB 2.0 power AND data transfer on both sides of the cable. I use these exclusively now.
Netdot Gen 12 is does both on all "sides" as well as support for 9v fast charging but seems a bit more fragile and prone to braking due to overhang.
None have USB 3.0 speeds but we don't need that.

I would HIGHLY recommend sticking with the oval style, preferably dual sided, such as Gen 10, the reason is compatibility. As you saw, round may not fit your current or next keyboard and it certainly will not work well on tablets (ditch those failure prone lightening cables!) or wireless mice. They are FANTASTIC if you have a wireless mouse, end of the day just slide your mouse up and it sucks itself in, when you get started jut tug and you're off and running. This may sound over hyped, but seriously, best upgrade ever for a few bucks of you use wireless mice. Hint, strap the cable down, I tie mine around a monitor stand leg so it stays in a small area and acts like a dock.

You may not care about wireless mice (you caveman!) or tablet charging but I have some Netdot 3 I bought early on and a bunch of newer Netdot 10 and I have to keep them separated (or pack them away) as they aren't interchangeable so get something that will work with everything, not just what you need now or you may end up replacing them all later as I did with my 3s (I needed type C which 3 didn't support). Another bonus with all this, and one people don't realize at first is it reduces your cable clutter, your keyboard may need to be plugged in all the time but odds are you others that only need to charge intermittent. Instead of one cable for each connector you can now get away with just one. I cut the visible cords on my desk in half.
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Offline TheWonderBubble

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Re: Paracord or other long keyboard cables
« Reply #8 on: Sun, 12 September 2021, 05:11:45 »
Probably a dumb question, but I noticed the gen 10 just says "charging" while gen 12 specifies "data transfer," though it doesn't look like it'd fit in most keyboards with it's round magnet. But gen10 will work for keyboard "data transfer" without issue?
Not a dumb question at all actually.
Not sure why they say what they do however it's a Chinese company so it could just be translations in marketing. Several of us use Gen 10 for keyboards including the one I'm currently typing on.

Netdot Gen 3(?) does USB 2.0 power on both sides but only has data on one side of the cable so you have to watch which side is up when you need data.
Netdot Gen 10 does USB 2.0 power AND data transfer on both sides of the cable. I use these exclusively now.
Netdot Gen 12 is does both on all "sides" as well as support for 9v fast charging but seems a bit more fragile and prone to braking due to overhang.
None have USB 3.0 speeds but we don't need that.

I would HIGHLY recommend sticking with the oval style, preferably dual sided, such as Gen 10, the reason is compatibility. As you saw, round may not fit your current or next keyboard and it certainly will not work well on tablets (ditch those failure prone lightening cables!) or wireless mice. They are FANTASTIC if you have a wireless mouse, end of the day just slide your mouse up and it sucks itself in, when you get started jut tug and you're off and running. This may sound over hyped, but seriously, best upgrade ever for a few bucks of you use wireless mice. Hint, strap the cable down, I tie mine around a monitor stand leg so it stays in a small area and acts like a dock.

You may not care about wireless mice (you caveman!) or tablet charging but I have some Netdot 3 I bought early on and a bunch of newer Netdot 10 and I have to keep them separated (or pack them away) as they aren't interchangeable so get something that will work with everything, not just what you need now or you may end up replacing them all later as I did with my 3s (I needed type C which 3 didn't support). Another bonus with all this, and one people don't realize at first is it reduces your cable clutter, your keyboard may need to be plugged in all the time but odds are you others that only need to charge intermittent. Instead of one cable for each connector you can now get away with just one. I cut the visible cords on my desk in half.

Awesome, thank you! I went ahead and ordered the gen 10's. Really only need 2 right now, so I may see if I can't steal the tip from the third and make my own cable with it, since none of the nice aesthetic ones I've seen yet offer a magnetic tip.
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Re: Paracord or other long keyboard cables
« Reply #9 on: Sun, 12 September 2021, 09:30:38 »

You may not care about wireless mice (you caveman!)


It has been a couple of years since I used a wireless mouse but I was never satisfied with any of the ones I tried. Going to sleep, needing attention after idle time, etc, were problematic.

I have a large desk and everything stays in place, so a little cable snaking across the top is not obtrusive to me.

Have wireless mice really grown up in recent years?
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Re: Paracord or other long keyboard cables
« Reply #10 on: Sun, 12 September 2021, 10:32:52 »
Have wireless mice really grown up in recent years?

I use the full size logitech M510 for years without any issues.   I never think about it.  It just works.   The tiny receiver fits inside by the battery when traveling.   Replaced my last one just because the rubber started to peel.  About $25.

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Re: Paracord or other long keyboard cables
« Reply #11 on: Mon, 13 September 2021, 10:45:05 »
It has been a couple of years since I used a wireless mouse but I was never satisfied with any of the ones I tried. Going to sleep, needing attention after idle time, etc, were problematic.
Have wireless mice really grown up in recent years?

I've used bunches and all of them were absolute garbage except Logitech who's had it pretty well dialed for years.
I keep trying others, cheap, expensive, doesn't matter they all never match up to even the cheap $15 models from Logitech and the only reason for it I can come up with is that none of them do any real testing, they buy the chip and assume it works. Also, do NOT use bluetooth unless it's for casual office type use, even from Logitech, and if you do make sure it's bluetooth low power or it will be even worse.

Get a decent Logitech, use the included receiver, place it close to the mouse (I have mine mounted under my desk just a foot ahead of it) and it will work great. Don't plug it into the back of an EMI blocking case 4 feet away and then wonder why reception stinks ("it said up to 40 feet!)", can't tell you how many customers I see do that, then they wonder why the mouse is always laggy.
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