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Title: [IC] Vector - Retro-Modern PCB Gasket 60% Keyboard - GB live until Sept 30
Post by: ai03 on Sat, 16 July 2022, 13:41:37
Vector
Retro-Modern PCB Gasket 60% Keyboard

(https://i.imgur.com/yGbcENC.jpg)

Blending the past with the present, Vector renews vintage keyboard elements with modern functions and stylings to create a distinctly retro board that blends into desk environments of the present.


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GB Details (https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=117798.msg3139351#msg3139351)


Prototype Photo Gallery (https://imgur.com/a/x63OkL1)
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(https://i.imgur.com/0mqO2MZ.jpg)

A Leap Across Time

Large seams, tapered front ledges, rounded edges, large bezels, pen rails - Vector revives the elements of early keyboards and reshapes them to fit the modern.
Use the default penrail matched to the case for an undeniably retro feel; swap it for an accent color to create an entirely new impression that pairs well with vibrant keysets.



(https://i.imgur.com/df0WevV.jpg)

Bold Brushstrokes

An uniform visual seam journeys around the board’s faces, defining the case parts and outlining the massive polished weight overlaid with accent laser engravings.
With large, blocky faces that wrap around the keyboard’s form with both a sense of roundness and overall sharpness, Vector blurs the lines between retro and current stylings.



(https://i.imgur.com/N8fTgm1.jpg)

Classic, Timeless Internals

Vector’s homage to the past carries over to its internals with a plateless PCB-mount structure from early keyboards.
With full gasket isolation from the case and internal case screws, Vector brings the early inspiration to custom keyboard standards.



(https://i.imgur.com/vvN3ai4.png)

Specifications

Case: Anodized Aluminum
Weight: Polished PVDed steel, overlay laser engraving patternwork  -> Updated here (https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=117798.msg3139351#msg3139351)
Accent pieces: Penrail (default aluminum matched to case color, optional add-on accent colors)
Case Weight: 2.4kg
Case colors: TBD -> Announced here (https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=117798.msg3139351#msg3139351)
Internals: Gasket-mounted PCB mount; internal screw; USB daughterboard
PCB: Solderable (non-hotswap), no flex slot
Layout Compat:
- Left shift regular/ISO
- Right shift unified/split
- Enter ANSI/ISO
- Backspace regular/split
- Spacebar 7U/3+1+3U
Plate: Optional FR4 plate included but not recommended
Vendors: CannonKeys
Price: TBA, but not pretty -> Announced here (https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=117798.msg3139351#msg3139351)



Q&A

Q: No hotswap option?
A: Nope - the board is designed first and foremost as a PCB-mount structure which doesn’t pair well with hotswap.

Q: Can I buy the board without weight engravings?
A: Nope - this is how the board is designed and envisioned.

Q: But I dislike how the weight accents look!
A: Then go find a different keyboard. Also, that’s no longer a question.

Q: What do you mean by the price being “not pretty”?
A: The initial production cost quote we received blew past that of Andromeda. Even after revising the design to make it much more reasonable, it’s still not pretty.

Q: Why the lack of flex slots on the PCB?
A: Without a plate, it flexes so hard that it slams into the bottom of the case and short-circuits. Yes, we tried it - you can probably imagine how that prototype ended up.

Q: What’s the story behind the name?
A: As the winds of creativity moved the sands to form this design transcending the boundaries of time, their motion was captured within vectors of —
— Or not. I randomly slapped the name onto the design to refer to it before any name was chosen, and couldn’t come up with anything else so it just kinda stuck until now.



Note

Early prototype revisions did not have a detachable penrail and had a flex-slotted PCB - some of the photographed units are of the old units and will differ from production.
Title: Re: [IC] Vector - Retro-Modern PCB Gasket 60% Keyboard
Post by: LMarci on Sat, 16 July 2022, 13:46:44
reserved
Title: Re: [IC] Vector - Retro-Modern PCB Gasket 60% Keyboard
Post by: Sandy on Sat, 16 July 2022, 13:47:43
 i do like it though. Is similar To the kwa. And your boards always sound great. Also i would request sandblasted weight as I’m kinda guilty of never being able to keep my deskmat clean enough for long periods of time

When will the final prototype be photographed? Would be nice to see the accent bar

Edit: i didn’t realize this was the final because the bar was the same color. I can see it’s a separate piece from the one photo
Title: Re: [IC] Vector - Retro-Modern PCB Gasket 60% Keyboard
Post by: Jacno on Sat, 16 July 2022, 13:48:43
Nice looking 60% with a pen rail!
Title: Re: [IC] Vector - Retro-Modern PCB Gasket 60% Keyboard
Post by: Necrolegion on Sat, 16 July 2022, 13:50:03
Oof, I hope this goes better than the Vega GB.
Title: Re: [IC] Vector - Retro-Modern PCB Gasket 60% Keyboard
Post by: TyPo.mk on Sat, 16 July 2022, 13:54:48
(https://en.meming.world/images/en/1/14/You_Just_Got_Vectored.jpg)

Offer in Vector’s jumpsuit orange
Title: Re: [IC] Vector - Retro-Modern PCB Gasket 60% Keyboard
Post by: sub0001 on Sat, 16 July 2022, 14:06:01
this board has both direction and magnitude. GLWIC
Title: Re: [IC] Vector - Retro-Modern PCB Gasket 60% Keyboard
Post by: ai03 on Sat, 16 July 2022, 14:06:30
Can you add leaf springs? I feel like past boards have been well isolated but stiff
This one relies solely on the PCB for structural integrity and just adding a flex slot was enough to flex so hard that the PCB could easily short against the case - leafsprings would incur a similar issue.
Also, I'm not a fan of removing feedback to the point where bottom-out is mushy or bouncy; I believe this PCB-only gasket mount is a nice middle ground.


Also i would request sandblasted weight as I’m kinda guilty of never being able to keep my deskmat clean enough for long periods of time
I'll look into it - it might be difficult to add an entirely different finish as opposed to different colors, but if it's practical it'll show up as one of the available options.


Oof, I hope this goes better than the Vega GB.
99% sure it will go vastly better, as being backed by CannonKeys resolves the issue of a crippling lack of manpower.
(Although knock on wood since who knows what can go wrong during a group buy)
Title: Re: [IC] Vector - Retro-Modern PCB Gasket 60% Keyboard
Post by: whirlwind on Sat, 16 July 2022, 14:09:01
Looks absolutely fantastic :thumb:
Title: Re: [IC] Vector - Retro-Modern PCB Gasket 60% Keyboard
Post by: Luna on Sat, 16 July 2022, 14:14:57
Interested in seeing more.
Title: Re: [IC] Vector - Retro-Modern PCB Gasket 60% Keyboard
Post by: NihonCK on Sat, 16 July 2022, 14:18:27
After seeing the QC complaints on the Iron165, what assurances can you give people that at these high-priced items get the same level of care on the interior facing parts as they do on the exterior?
Title: Re: [IC] Vector - Retro-Modern PCB Gasket 60% Keyboard
Post by: Bachoo on Sat, 16 July 2022, 14:45:26
Show Image
(https://en.meming.world/images/en/1/14/You_Just_Got_Vectored.jpg)


Offer in Vector’s jumpsuit orange

If nobody was gonna make this reference I sure would have.
Title: Re: [IC] Vector - Retro-Modern PCB Gasket 60% Keyboard
Post by: Laur on Sat, 16 July 2022, 16:01:46
what justifies the $750+ pricetag?
Title: Re: [IC] Vector - Retro-Modern PCB Gasket 60% Keyboard
Post by: Adelscott on Sun, 17 July 2022, 03:18:35
Why only anodizing?
It would look gorgeous in E-Beige
Title: Re: [IC] Vector - Retro-Modern PCB Gasket 60% Keyboard
Post by: GraffitiDecos on Mon, 18 July 2022, 18:14:13
what justifies the $750+ pricetag?

Where did you see that pricing?
Title: Re: [IC] Vector - Retro-Modern PCB Gasket 60% Keyboard
Post by: NihonCK on Mon, 18 July 2022, 18:27:29
what justifies the $750+ pricetag?

Where did you see that pricing?

Q&A say its more expensive than Andromeda
Title: Re: [IC] Vector - Retro-Modern PCB Gasket 60% Keyboard
Post by: Homiezoned on Mon, 18 July 2022, 21:39:34
Pricing hurts but there has to be a reason ig. Really nice looking as always from ai03
Title: Re: [IC] Vector - Retro-Modern PCB Gasket 60% Keyboard
Post by: ph4nt0m on Tue, 19 July 2022, 02:45:14
what justifies the $750+ pricetag?

Where did you see that pricing?

Q&A say its more expensive than Andromeda

No, this refers to the initial production cost quote. As I understand it, a revision of the design has at least brought the price down below that of Andromeda (even if we don't know to what extent).
Title: Re: [IC] Vector - Retro-Modern PCB Gasket 60% Keyboard
Post by: weekendkeyboard on Tue, 19 July 2022, 13:12:29
Interesting!  ;D
Title: Re: [IC] Vector - Retro-Modern PCB Gasket 60% Keyboard
Post by: mr_foggy on Fri, 29 July 2022, 10:42:25
nice and simple. can't imagine what makes the price "not pretty" but we'll see. LOTS of competition for 60's lately.
Title: Re: [IC] Vector - Retro-Modern PCB Gasket 60% Keyboard
Post by: WXYaa on Fri, 29 July 2022, 17:19:25
Very nice! Will there be HHKB layout?
Title: Re: [IC] Vector - Retro-Modern PCB Gasket 60% Keyboard
Post by: Nonnegaard on Mon, 01 August 2022, 16:10:55
Mane since when is everyone so edgy
Title: Re: [IC] Vector - GB starting Sept 10
Post by: ai03 on Sat, 03 September 2022, 18:40:37
Vector Group Buy Details

Vector is launching soon - here are the details.


Storefront: Hype V2 (https://hype.cannonkeys.com/) (visit page -> select Vector limited or standard edition)


Layouts: Regular, winkeyless
Case colors: Black, silver, red, blue-grey
Kit Contents:
- Case
- Aluminum penrail matched to case color
- Weight of choice (see editions below)
- Solderable PCB (sorry, no hotswap on a plateless board)
- FR4 half-plate in case you want to change up the sound a bit
- Feet, carrying case, etc.

Standard Edition:
- Sandblasted steel weight
- "Roughly unlimited" (very high worst-case unit cap that I doubt will be reached)
- 620 USD

Limited Edition:
- Polished PVD brass weight
- Limited to 20 units
- 725 USD

Addons
- Extra PCBs: 45USD
- Daughterboard/cable kit: 5USD (Note that this differs from the standard Unified Daughterboard C3 since it didn't fit)
- FR4 plates, half or full: 20USD
- Aluminum penrail in any of the case colors: 39USD
- PVD brass penrail: 65USD*
- Extra feet: $5 for 20
*Still under negotiation with factory; may change in the near future

Launch Time
- Limited edition will launch on Sept 10 at 11:00AM EST.
- Standard edition will launch 15 mins later on Sept 10 at 11:15AM EST.
- Each edition will run until they sell out or until Sept 30 at 11:59PM EST.
- Sale will be through the CannonKeys raffle queue system.


As much as I'm not a fan of the price myself, it ended up the inevitable for such a low-volume, massive, and quirky board.
Best of luck to everyone looking to secure a limited edition unit.
Title: Re: [IC] Vector - GB starting Sept 10
Post by: Necrolegion on Tue, 06 September 2022, 23:18:38
Vector Group Buy Details

Vector is launching soon - here are the details.


Layouts: Regular, winkeyless
Case colors: Black, silver, red, blue-grey
Kit Contents:
- Case
- Aluminum penrail matched to case color
- Weight of choice (see editions below)
- Solderable PCB (sorry, no hotswap on a plateless board)
- FR4 half-plate in case you want to change up the sound a bit
- Feet, carrying case, etc.

Standard Edition:
- Sandblasted steel weight
- "Roughly unlimited" (very high worst-case unit cap that I doubt will be reached)
- 620 USD

Limited Edition:
- Polished PVD brass weight
- Limited to 20 units
- 725 USD

Addons
- Extra PCBs: 45USD
- Daughterboard/cable kit: 5USD (Note that this differs from the standard Unified Daughterboard C3 since it didn't fit)
- FR4 plates, half or full: 20USD
- Aluminum penrail in any of the case colors: 39USD
- PVD brass penrail: 65USD*
- Extra feet: $5 for 20
*Still under negotiation with factory; may change in the near future

Launch Time
- Limited edition will launch on Sept 10 at 11:00AM EST.
- Standard edition will launch 15 mins later on Sept 10 at 11:15AM EST.
- Each edition will run until they sell out or until Sept 30 at 11:59PM EST.
- Sale will be through the CannonKeys raffle queue system.


As much as I'm not a fan of the price myself, it ended up the inevitable for such a low-volume, massive, and quirky board.
Best of luck to everyone looking to secure a limited edition unit.

$630 price?! I sleep...

GLWGB though!
Title: Re: [IC] Vector - Retro-Modern PCB Gasket 60% Keyboard - GB Sept 10
Post by: pixelpusher on Tue, 06 September 2022, 23:37:26
Any chance you'll have a render or a sample of a board with a contrasting color pen rail?
Title: Re: [IC] Vector - Retro-Modern PCB Gasket 60% Keyboard - GB Sept 10
Post by: zebus on Fri, 09 September 2022, 20:16:09
What's the deal with the amount of difference between the two gray-blue renders?

(https://i.imgur.com/0mqO2MZ.jpg)
(https://cdn.shopify.com/s/files/1/0238/7342/1376/files/Vector-BlueGrey-WKL_1512x.png)

Which one is right? lol
Title: Re: [IC] Vector - Retro-Modern PCB Gasket 60% Keyboard - GB Sept 10
Post by: ai03 on Sat, 10 September 2022, 06:15:45
What's the deal with the amount of difference between the two gray-blue renders?

Show Image
(https://i.imgur.com/0mqO2MZ.jpg)

Show Image
(https://cdn.shopify.com/s/files/1/0238/7342/1376/files/Vector-BlueGrey-WKL_1512x.png)


Which one is right? lol


The protos were just grey (not blue grey), and the color did not end up being an option for production.
The blue grey used for production will be closer to the render (second image).


Any chance you'll have a render or a sample of a board with a contrasting color pen rail?

Unfortunately I do not have any on hand; my best advice is to choose additional penrails by what would match keysets that you plan to use on the board.



In addition, one note for today's launch is that it will be through CannonKeys' new Hype V2 raffle-queue system (https://cannonkeys.com/blogs/news-and-updates/cannonkeys-hype-v2-system).
While it has been tested internally, there is always the chance that something implodes when first used publicly; if something does happen, I kindly ask for the following:
Please report these errors via Discord with a mention to my username so I can immediately tackle it or forward it to whoever has the power to fix it.
In the absolute worst case, navigating to /reset (https://hype.cannonkeys.com/reset (https://hype.cannonkeys.com/reset)) will reset any saved data and recover your system, although it will lose any progress if you were in the raffle already.


Edit:
Now that the group buy is live, I will lock the IC thread after a short while.
Since the group buy is handled by CannonKeys and they have a solid system set up to deliver timely updates via newsletter and their online updates page, please use those services for receiving group buy updates.