Post by: ai03 on Wed, 01 January 2020, 06:33:49
(https://i.imgur.com/HfelwSL.jpg)
Andromeda
Sculpted Tenkeyless Keyboard by ai03
Latest update: Final details revealed here (https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=104056.msg2969557#msg2969557)
Colors:
- Silver case, grey weight, black plate
- Grey case, silver weight, black plate
Group buy times and locations:
- October 24 11:00AM EST at Cannonkeys
- October 25 11:00AM CST at Deskeys/Taobao (link will be revealed as close to this time as possible to reduce botting)
Extra part details here (https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=104056.msg2971559#msg2971559)
For those who demand the best of the best, Andromeda offers a carefully sculpted design coupled with proven gasket internals for extreme levels of typing comfort and stunning visuals.
(https://i.imgur.com/aIvalAJ.png)
The Beauty and the Beast
Designed as a cost-no-object keyboard, Andromeda’s sculpted side profiles have been modelled to provide a satin fabric-like elegance, which combined with the soft curvatures used throughout the board give a delicate feel which lead the eyes throughout the design.
Strong straight horizontals strike a heavy contrast to the softer elements to offer the bold, rigid impression to accompany the elegance. The careful balance of both constructs an elegant yet minimal, graceful yet powerful aesthetic fit for any environment.
(https://i.imgur.com/hngQzZ7.png)
The Journey to the Peak
The design knowledge acquired through many of ai03’s designs in the past have been put forth to full effect with Andromeda, taking elements such as the rear-angled weight and gasket mounting of Polaris and refining them to their ultimate levels.
(https://i.imgur.com/3I1HiyD.png)
Commitment to Detail
The small details make the biggest differences, and no detail has been left unchecked with Andromeda.
Interior screws provides a beautiful screwless exterior that does not interfere with the overall form, and a USB daughterboard separate from the main PCB allows for replacing the USB connector in case it wears out.
Specifications
Case: Aluminum, colors to be announced
Weight: Steel, finish depends on case color
Plate: Aluminum, color likely to be dark grey, gasket mount
PCB: Soldered (non-hotswap), powered by a STM32 ARM microcontroller; USB-C via unified daughterboard for readily available replacements if required
Case Mass: ~3.2kg (Case, weight, plate)
Typing Angle: 8 degrees
Layouts supported:
(https://i.imgur.com/iHZJOaE.png)
Unit Quantity: Limited quantity; number to be announced
Price: To be announced
Vendors: CannonKeys (North America), Deskeys (Asia)
Andromeda
Sculpted Tenkeyless Keyboard by ai03
Latest update: Final details revealed here (https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=104056.msg2969557#msg2969557)
Colors:
- Silver case, grey weight, black plate
- Grey case, silver weight, black plate
Group buy times and locations:
- October 24 11:00AM EST at Cannonkeys
- October 25 11:00AM CST at Deskeys/Taobao (link will be revealed as close to this time as possible to reduce botting)
Extra part details here (https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=104056.msg2971559#msg2971559)
For those who demand the best of the best, Andromeda offers a carefully sculpted design coupled with proven gasket internals for extreme levels of typing comfort and stunning visuals.
(https://i.imgur.com/aIvalAJ.png)
The Beauty and the Beast
Designed as a cost-no-object keyboard, Andromeda’s sculpted side profiles have been modelled to provide a satin fabric-like elegance, which combined with the soft curvatures used throughout the board give a delicate feel which lead the eyes throughout the design.
Strong straight horizontals strike a heavy contrast to the softer elements to offer the bold, rigid impression to accompany the elegance. The careful balance of both constructs an elegant yet minimal, graceful yet powerful aesthetic fit for any environment.
(https://i.imgur.com/hngQzZ7.png)
The Journey to the Peak
The design knowledge acquired through many of ai03’s designs in the past have been put forth to full effect with Andromeda, taking elements such as the rear-angled weight and gasket mounting of Polaris and refining them to their ultimate levels.
(https://i.imgur.com/3I1HiyD.png)
Commitment to Detail
The small details make the biggest differences, and no detail has been left unchecked with Andromeda.
Interior screws provides a beautiful screwless exterior that does not interfere with the overall form, and a USB daughterboard separate from the main PCB allows for replacing the USB connector in case it wears out.
Specifications
Case: Aluminum, colors to be announced
Weight: Steel, finish depends on case color
Plate: Aluminum, color likely to be dark grey, gasket mount
PCB: Soldered (non-hotswap), powered by a STM32 ARM microcontroller; USB-C via unified daughterboard for readily available replacements if required
Case Mass: ~3.2kg (Case, weight, plate)
Typing Angle: 8 degrees
Layouts supported:
(https://i.imgur.com/iHZJOaE.png)
Unit Quantity: Limited quantity; number to be announced
Price: To be announced
Vendors: CannonKeys (North America), Deskeys (Asia)
(https://i.imgur.com/Yn6QWlR.png)
For faster updates and push notifications regarding this project, please join my Discord server here (https://discord.gg/qA5JD9y), then run the command .iam Andromeda in the #bot-spam channel.
For faster updates and push notifications regarding this project, please join my Discord server here (https://discord.gg/qA5JD9y), then run the command .iam Andromeda in the #bot-spam channel.
Post by: ai03 on Wed, 01 January 2020, 06:34:05
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Post by: ai03 on Wed, 01 January 2020, 07:14:47
VERY interested in this, hope this will be available in EuropeLikely the best method will be to order from either of the vendors and ship overseas.
i am really really really interested in this, perhaps more plate materials though pc if you can?I originally decided upon aluminum due to its properties as a firm yet flexible metal, with a balance between acoustics and typing feel. Polycarbonate on a tenkeyless may be too soft combined with the gaskets, allowing for too much flex to the point where the PCB shorts against the inner floor of the case. However, I will look into potentially offering alternative plate materials.
Typing angle?8 degrees if I remember correctly.
Post by: beefwelldone on Wed, 01 January 2020, 07:21:01
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Post by: demonahz on Wed, 01 January 2020, 08:09:00
so excited for this. I'm all in!
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Post by: ai03 on Wed, 01 January 2020, 08:28:22
Do we have an estimate date of the GB yet?Not yet, but I will be finalizing the design files shortly for a prototype to follow very quickly after.
Once that is confirmed to be meeting expectations and functional, GB will begin.
Interesting, waiting for colors and the PC version if it’s available for this.Polycarbonate will not be available as an option. The material is too soft to handle the internal screw design reliably, and the brittle nature compared to metal goes against the design goal of creating a timeless board.
Any plan for EU vendor?Not as of now, since there is significant logistics work for adding multiple vendors, especially with a limited quantity GB.
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Post by: wholypantalones on Wed, 01 January 2020, 08:38:17
Do you have plans to include other plate types?
Scroll up like 6 posts. https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=104056.msg2849049#msg2849049
Post by: ai03 on Wed, 01 January 2020, 08:39:01
Do you have plans to include other plate types?Please see this post (https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=104056.msg2849049#msg2849049) for the initial response.
My honest opinion is that aluminum is a great plate material, offering a balance of pleasant acoustics, extremely soft and flexible feel for a metal plate, and very strong chemical resistance once anodized, which is important for a part which takes most of the spills, dirt, and grime directly. The inherent durability from being a metal is also important for resisting damage during transit once built.
Very interesting. only WKL avail?Yes. Both the plate and PCB are locked to the layouts shown in the diagram.
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Post by: ai03 on Wed, 01 January 2020, 09:21:43
EU vendors?
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As of right now no, due to the complications of logistics with many vendors on a limited quantity GB.
However, the vendor regions aren't a stiff rule, so it should be possible to purchase from either vendor and have it shipped overseas.
Post by: the_mihalich on Wed, 01 January 2020, 09:44:22
Make a longer ones plz. It makes big difference
What about 8° angle isn’t it a bit steep
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Post by: ai03 on Wed, 01 January 2020, 09:54:15
All I want for christmas is feet better than bumpons
Make a longer ones plz. It makes big difference
What about 8° angle isn’t it a bit steep
I opted for bump-on style feet in this design due to their non-impeding visuals against the case design and isolation performance.
Typing angle will be your preference.
I recommend not buying this board if you do not like it.
Post by: DukeEsquire on Wed, 01 January 2020, 10:18:30
Post by: BouncyChillups on Wed, 01 January 2020, 10:23:53
As of right now no, due to the complications of logistics with many vendors on a limited quantity GB.
However, the vendor regions aren't a stiff rule, so it should be possible to purchase from either vendor and have it shipped overseas.
Thats unfortunate. For me in the EU shipping from the US for such a heavy board will be incredibly expensive. Same for Asia.
Could you please just consider adding an EU vendor? I really really want this board.
Post by: ai03 on Wed, 01 January 2020, 10:35:02
Thats unfortunate. For me in the EU shipping from the US for such a heavy board will be incredibly expensive. Same for Asia.I will consider it, but as stated before, it is very difficult to manage, so I cannot guarantee it.
Could you please just consider adding an EU vendor? I really really want this board.
Is the steel weight going to be polished?I am currently planning for differing finishes to match case colors; for example, silver would pair nicely with a matte dark grey coated weight, while a darker color such as grey would pair better with polished steel.
Post by: Damage on Wed, 01 January 2020, 10:50:25
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Post by: break on Wed, 01 January 2020, 13:50:35
WK is not an option?
Very interesting. only WKL avail?Yes. Both the plate and PCB are locked to the layouts shown in the diagram.
Post by: belgium_waffles on Wed, 01 January 2020, 13:53:24
Also please consider daily clack as oce vendor!
Post by: Sycomore on Wed, 01 January 2020, 14:05:54
Looks great!
Also please consider daily clack as oce vendor!
+1 for a oce vendor
Post by: Captain Shwah on Wed, 01 January 2020, 14:29:39
What's the front height?
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Post by: IOVERCALLHISTIOCYTES on Wed, 01 January 2020, 17:35:39
Great board design btw
Post by: ai03 on Wed, 01 January 2020, 19:54:44
Can we convince you to offer more plate materials?Possibly; I was considering throwing in a FR4 plate as well since they're fairly affordable to produce. As usual, I'll likely open source the plate file for anyone who wants to make their own.
Also please consider daily clack as oce vendor!As stated earlier, adding vendors to the limited GB makes logistics extremely difficult, but I will consider it.
What's the front height?(https://i.imgur.com/ZFIH700.png)
Seems like ai03 wants a certain plate material. That's cool. We know there's community members who would probably rather wear each other's underwear than use each other's plate material. What if the plate files were posted?Yes, I also do feel that there are people so captivated by the notion of exclusiveness that they fail to see any larger view of a situation.
However, there are certain things that are reused for a reason, for it would be very exclusive yet inconvenient to wear a jacket as underwear, just as it would to use styrofoam for a plate.
In this case, as explained earlier, aluminum works as a balanced, functional plate material which pairs with the design goals well.
Plate files will be posted as usual.
Post by: SyzygyXVII on Wed, 01 January 2020, 20:02:17
Post by: Tennstrong on Wed, 01 January 2020, 20:23:36
Also- lay that gasket mounting method on us! haha
Best of luck with this project, looks quite nice so far
Post by: RobK_aka on Wed, 01 January 2020, 20:42:53
Post by: ai03 on Wed, 01 January 2020, 20:54:16
WKL only?Yes
This looks really neat! Would love to see an angle of it (maybe 30 degrees offset from vertical) to see how the sides play off the form-factor of the top and how much they bow out. (also the top and bottom curvature in a vertical shot would be great)Like this, or a more top-down shot?
(https://i.imgur.com/CHFeQaR.png)
Post by: Tennstrong on Wed, 01 January 2020, 21:01:42
This looks really neat! Would love to see an angle of it (maybe 30 degrees offset from vertical) to see how the sides play off the form-factor of the top and how much they bow out. (also the top and bottom curvature in a vertical shot would be great)Like this, or a more top-down shot?Show Image(https://i.imgur.com/CHFeQaR.png)
That's a great angle too! But yeah more top down I guess was my original intent, to see how the sides kinda "frame" the board, thanks!
Post by: ai03 on Wed, 01 January 2020, 21:20:29
That's a great angle too! But yeah more top down I guess was my original intent, to see how the sides kinda "frame" the board, thanks!(https://i.imgur.com/0wBP0UV.png)
Post by: Master_Zebra on Wed, 01 January 2020, 22:05:46
Post by: ai03 on Wed, 01 January 2020, 22:59:43
Any chance of split backspace?
No; the layout is locked to the one given in the layout image in the first post.
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Post by: nathanchere on Thu, 02 January 2020, 08:11:06
Post by: ai03 on Thu, 02 January 2020, 08:11:46
Is it going to be super limited or more along the lines of other cannonkeys boards like the iron and chimera?I am currently discussing final quantities and such with Cannonkeys and Deskeys; the final number will be posted once that is done.
Would ISO be possible?Unfortunately no, for the layout is locked to the one given in the first post. I suggest buying an iS0 (https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=101828.0) for adding an ISO enter if necessary.
Post by: troyr0x on Thu, 02 January 2020, 08:14:23
Post by: nathanchere on Thu, 02 January 2020, 08:14:34
Unfortunately no, for the layout is locked to the one given in the first post. I suggest buying an iS0 (https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=101828.0) for adding an ISO enter if necessary.:)) :)) :)) can we see renders with iS0 added? :))
Post by: IOVERCALLHISTIOCYTES on Thu, 02 January 2020, 16:33:25
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Post by: ai03 on Thu, 02 January 2020, 19:28:43
If this goes through, would you make a matching numpad someday? Something like Dolphin, Noxary, or TXpad has done before.Possibly, but I doubt it would hit MOQ since it'd be a numpad nearly as expensive as the main board itself.
Would an Alps plate version be a possibility?Unfortunately no, since the internal screw mounts collide with Alps housings.
Post by: montereysamuel on Fri, 03 January 2020, 05:41:40
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Post by: Rubydestroyer on Sat, 04 January 2020, 18:02:04
Post by: Sky Corrigan on Sat, 04 January 2020, 18:03:20
Completely in ! +1 if numpad is available
A matching numpad would be the icing on the cake, mi amigo.
Post by: duxbridge on Sat, 04 January 2020, 22:19:56
Post by: ai03 on Mon, 06 January 2020, 01:49:48
Looks like Polaris' big brother! Is this keyboard being made by KBDFans?No; it will be handled by Cannonkeys and Deskeys as described on the first post.
Post by: ipley on Tue, 07 January 2020, 12:14:28
This Poduct no Winkyey???
Only Winkeyless?
Post by: dmatx1 on Tue, 07 January 2020, 12:37:33
Hello.
This Poduct no Winkyey???
Only Winkeyless?
Very interesting. only WKL avail?Yes. Both the plate and PCB are locked to the layouts shown in the diagram.
WKL, ANSI only, 2u Backspace. The only configuration option is stepped or full Caps Lock.
Post by: pixelpusher on Wed, 08 January 2020, 18:27:35
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Post by: onlinegamer0 on Sat, 11 January 2020, 00:03:04
It's probably too early, but any plans on running this design again in the future but with different layouts?
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Post by: ai03 on Thu, 16 January 2020, 03:22:55
Are you using a new manufacturer or is it someone who you’ve worked with in the past?Likely someone I've worked with before. I wouldn't trust a random factory to handle the sides.
It's probably too early, but any plans on running this design again in the future but with different layouts?Possibly, but considering the amount of time it took to build just the side for this TKL, it'll take quite some time to redo it for another form factor if at all.
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Post by: LightningXI on Mon, 27 January 2020, 05:40:29
very interested in this. Will there be also EU vendors? And what kind of Firmware will be running on it? QMK maybe?QMK
any chance this could be VIA compatible?I would imagine, yes. Many things with QMK are moving towards VIA.
Post by: konstantin on Tue, 28 January 2020, 21:32:22
Show Image(https://i.imgur.com/Yn6QWlR.png)
Just wanted to commend you on the top-notch font choice in this one.
The keyboard's nice too.
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Post by: ai03 on Sat, 08 February 2020, 07:29:32
Is there any chance that we will be getting an EU vendor for this ?
very interested in this. Will there be also EU vendors?
See this (https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=104056.msg2849065#msg2849065) for more info
And what kind of Firmware will be running on it? QMK maybe?
Likely the standard QMK + Via Configurator.
Any idea on colors yet?
Silver is likely guaranteed to happen; still thinking about others.
any chance this could be VIA compatible?
Very likely yes.
Also, most of the files are ready for prototyping; just waiting on the Wuhan Coronavirus situation to clear out so the factories resume.
Post by: konstanz_ on Sat, 08 February 2020, 10:44:41
Post by: ninjadoc on Sat, 08 February 2020, 11:40:05
If this goes through, would you make a matching numpad someday? Something like Dolphin, Noxary, or TXpad has done before.Possibly, but I doubt it would hit MOQ since it'd be a numpad nearly as expensive as the main board itself.
He is correct - a numpad is expensive to produce. If you want it matching the sides and back essentially require the same machining but over a smaller area. Thus the charge for the case is in the same range as the case for a TKL. Then you have the MOQ.
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Post by: Starlight-Dawn on Tue, 11 February 2020, 06:09:13
Very interested.
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Post by: ai03 on Sun, 08 March 2020, 18:28:36
Still finalizing the PCB data before sending that one in.
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Post by: Rew23 on Fri, 20 March 2020, 01:19:31
Post by: ai03 on Mon, 30 March 2020, 04:29:42
Now awaiting production for testing.
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Post by: Solotov on Mon, 30 March 2020, 07:22:47
Post by: ai03 on Tue, 31 March 2020, 20:56:07
Will Andromeda come with internal foams similar to Polaris?
Yes, it will come with both the midlayer and bottom layer foam as standard.
Post by: Module on Sat, 04 April 2020, 09:58:56
Post by: ai03 on Thu, 16 April 2020, 08:57:58
(https://i.imgur.com/CTueeMa.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/c5zJWd0.jpg)
Now awaiting the proto case.
Post by: konstantin on Thu, 16 April 2020, 09:25:13
Prototype PCB is in.Show Image(https://i.imgur.com/CTueeMa.jpg)Show Image(https://i.imgur.com/c5zJWd0.jpg)
Now awaiting the proto case.
Lovely rounded traces! It looks like you're applying the same design language to every detail here, from the case to the font all the way down to the traces on the PCB. I like that level of attention to detail. Thumbs up.
Post by: Crack85 on Thu, 16 April 2020, 09:27:40
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Post by: Chenson on Thu, 07 May 2020, 23:47:01
Interested in what colours this will come in.
+ 1 for an OCE vendor :D
Post by: ai03 on Tue, 12 May 2020, 09:18:43
Maybe we'll see a complete proto in a week or two.
Post by: kiyoboard on Tue, 12 May 2020, 09:33:14
Case prototype has finished machining and is now awaiting finishing (bead blast, anodizing, etc).
Maybe we'll see a complete proto in a week or two.
Looking forward to seeing the prototype. This is still one of my favorite design, hoping to snatch one during GB :D
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Post by: ai03 on Thu, 21 May 2020, 11:02:50
Hoping to get things moving asap considering the IC was posted on 01/01.
As for why the summit-end moniker was dropped, well, probably obvious.
Ultra-high-end sounds miserable so I'll think of something better.
Post by: ai03 on Fri, 22 May 2020, 08:24:41
(https://i.imgur.com/NMGFVSU.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/QFSiK35.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/HfelwSL.jpg)
Photos from Kevinplus
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Post by: ai03 on Mon, 01 June 2020, 13:59:24
Any plans for a hotswap PCB?
no
Post by: Esfera on Mon, 01 June 2020, 14:45:47
Would the case and pcb have room for mill-max sockets?Any plans for a hotswap PCB?
no
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Post by: ai03 on Tue, 16 June 2020, 10:46:47
any plans to use this design on a 60% board?
Not at the moment, for it would require an entire redesign from scratch (sculpted side cannot simply be scaled to a different row form factor).
Would the case and pcb have room for mill-max sockets?
This is not the kind of board designed to be hotswapped.
Choose the best batch of cherry-picked switches you can find, and solder them in for maximized acoustics.
+1 for EU proxy
Requests for an EU proxy have gone unanswered...
I have answered this question too many times.
Here (https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=104056.msg2849049#msg2849049), here (https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=104056.msg2849065#msg2849065), here (https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=104056.msg2849087#msg2849087)
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Post by: are2dcrz on Tue, 16 June 2020, 12:46:15
Post by: blitz on Tue, 16 June 2020, 12:46:49
debating between this and the vega. might do bothThis is the correct answer.
Post by: ephemeral25 on Tue, 16 June 2020, 16:08:52
debating between this and the vega. might do bothThis is the correct answer.
This is pure wisdom
Post by: Muchacho on Wed, 17 June 2020, 18:02:22
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I have answered this question too many times.
Here (https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=104056.msg2849049#msg2849049), here (https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=104056.msg2849065#msg2849065), here (https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=104056.msg2849087#msg2849087)
You should probably create a FAQ in the main post.
I read the whole thread and a lot of people are asking if it's WKL only. When a question is raised multiple time it should appear in a FAQ.
This will be less time consuming for the readers and for you.
Post by: Crack85 on Wed, 17 June 2020, 18:47:53
He has one on his discord.[...]
I have answered this question too many times.
Here (https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=104056.msg2849049#msg2849049), here (https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=104056.msg2849065#msg2849065), here (https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=104056.msg2849087#msg2849087)
You should probably create a FAQ in the main post.
I read the whole thread and a lot of people are asking if it's WKL only. When a question is raised multiple time it should appear in a FAQ.
This will be less time consuming for the readers and for you.
Basically, insert "no" to any question you can't find answer to and you'll have your answer.
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Post by: Kookiekurls on Wed, 01 July 2020, 18:42:43
Post by: ai03 on Wed, 01 July 2020, 22:34:34
Bad news: PCBs got lost in transit during shipment from Kevin's place, so they're being manufactured again.
Post by: ryanmozo on Thu, 02 July 2020, 11:08:07
Good news: Additional weights are complete for acoustic comparisons, so the best result can be chosen from the batch.
Bad news: PCBs got lost in transit during shipment from Kevin's place, so they're being manufactured again.
Ah well, stuff happens. Thanks for the update!
Post by: Surefoot on Thu, 02 July 2020, 12:13:19
Post by: keyberzerker on Fri, 03 July 2020, 07:10:33
Any chance to have plate files so us ISO users can at least make it separately ?
PCB looks like it is not accepting ISO... :'(
Post by: hiddensong on Sun, 05 July 2020, 03:22:13
Post by: ai03 on Tue, 07 July 2020, 17:39:28
Post by: pelunayrb on Sat, 11 July 2020, 22:07:24
Post by: tonyjones on Sat, 11 July 2020, 22:10:45
Post by: ai03 on Tue, 14 July 2020, 01:39:50
Still awaiting the PCB, but preparing the newly arrived prototype for a build.
Post by: n.rdy on Tue, 14 July 2020, 03:19:22
Show Image(https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/601774071964893219/732485863086489661/IMG_20200714_153657.jpg)
Still awaiting the PCB, but preparing the newly arrived prototype for a build.
::want intensifies::
Post by: Minam on Tue, 14 July 2020, 03:22:10
Post by: mindvox on Tue, 14 July 2020, 12:03:27
Post by: konstantin on Tue, 14 July 2020, 19:12:39
:eek: reserved
Do you mean to say that you're interested? :D “Reserved” isn't something you would usually say in response to an IC, unless you're the runner. Just a small suggestion for your future posts. Welcome to Geekhack :thumb:
Post by: SamLee904 on Wed, 15 July 2020, 04:51:26
Post by: Hugs94 on Thu, 16 July 2020, 09:33:17
Post by: ai03 on Thu, 16 July 2020, 21:15:01
Is this the close-to-final plate design?
The plate design is final.
Also, the PCB has arrived; I will be testing its functionality shortly.
Post by: FlitzDeelman on Thu, 16 July 2020, 22:57:07
...
Also, the PCB has arrived; I will be testing its functionality shortly.
Good to hear!
Post by: EternalSerenity on Thu, 16 July 2020, 23:54:28
Really hoping I can pick one up. Would you happen to have a rough estimate on how much this will cost?
Post by: Handsome on Sat, 18 July 2020, 22:02:43
Post by: dibstern on Sat, 15 August 2020, 00:16:12
Very interesting. only WKL avail?Yes. Both the plate and PCB are locked to the layouts shown in the diagram.
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Why do people want WKL and why would you create a keyboard without an important key?
I don’t understand this at all, and it reduces the choice in keyboards so much :(
Post by: etong415 on Sat, 15 August 2020, 00:18:02
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Post by: Auxo on Sat, 15 August 2020, 01:38:32
Very interesting. only WKL avail?Yes. Both the plate and PCB are locked to the layouts shown in the diagram.
Why do people want WKL and why would you create a keyboard without an important key?
I don’t understand this at all, and it reduces the choice in keyboards so much :(
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I find a good compromise for WKL boards is to reprogram the Right Alt key to windows, since I never use that Right Alt
Post by: pixelpusher on Sat, 15 August 2020, 01:42:43
Post by: Sycomore on Sat, 15 August 2020, 02:17:12
Post by: Kookiekurls on Sat, 15 August 2020, 04:24:01
Very interesting. only WKL avail?Yes. Both the plate and PCB are locked to the layouts shown in the diagram.
Why do people want WKL and why would you create a keyboard without an important key?
I don’t understand this at all, and it reduces the choice in keyboards so much :(
I find a good compromise for WKL boards is to reprogram the Right Alt key to windows, since I never use that Right Alt
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Since I use Mac, I do the opposite. I make left alt the win key. I practically never use the alt key. So I put alt on the right side, and life is good. On Mac, the win key / cmd key is a necessity.
Post by: Omarpixel9 on Sun, 16 August 2020, 12:19:55
Post by: Brenr on Mon, 24 August 2020, 22:54:03
If there was a TKL version of the Polaris, I'd be all in... and if it had a leaf spring plate, even better.
Post by: cdhoffmann on Tue, 25 August 2020, 08:33:18
Not a fan of the rounded profile of Andromeda, especially if it isn't foamed and gasket mounted.Move a long then.
If there was a TKL version of the Polaris, I'd be all in... and if it had a leaf spring plate, even better.
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Post by: Brenr on Tue, 25 August 2020, 18:45:49
Post by: Hdjekso on Tue, 25 August 2020, 19:08:14
I wish this didn't have WKL blockers, otherwise I'd be all over this. You should offer a version with the full bottom row.If you don't like it, don't get it. Complaining about every aspect of the board isn't going to change things.
Post by: lysergic acid on Tue, 25 August 2020, 19:49:55
Post by: Techlet on Tue, 25 August 2020, 20:19:19
Post by: MattyW79 on Wed, 26 August 2020, 08:43:01
Not a fan of the rounded profile of Andromeda, especially if it isn't foamed and gasket mounted.
If there was a TKL version of the Polaris, I'd be all in... and if it had a leaf spring plate, even better.
I wish this didn't have WKL blockers, otherwise I'd be all over this. You should offer a version with the full bottom row.
So you are not a fan of the rounded profile or foamless nature of the board, but you would be all over it if only it did not have WKL blockers? Not sure this is a board you should be "all over" unless you like all aspects of the design.
Post by: finalarcadia on Wed, 26 August 2020, 09:26:04
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Post by: blitz on Wed, 26 August 2020, 09:28:47
Basically, don’t make this board, make the board that I want.
Post by: Zaum.Tech on Wed, 26 August 2020, 09:47:35
Post by: ai03 on Tue, 01 September 2020, 11:31:04
Post by: Lastpadawan on Wed, 02 September 2020, 23:38:43
Post by: ai03 on Sun, 06 September 2020, 07:32:02
Post by: nu_types on Sun, 06 September 2020, 12:50:22
Post by: lysergic acid on Sun, 06 September 2020, 13:31:26
Post by: singabore on Sun, 06 September 2020, 13:46:13
Post by: dRnRcRr on Sun, 06 September 2020, 18:35:08
Post by: Arcitan on Sun, 06 September 2020, 19:32:59
Post by: dstaar on Sun, 06 September 2020, 19:33:57
Final part has been tested; currently shifting to GB preparations.
(sorry if repeated) approximate price range?
Post by: LightningXI on Sun, 06 September 2020, 19:42:16
Post by: cdhoffmann on Sun, 06 September 2020, 19:48:06
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Post by: PoohGom on Tue, 08 September 2020, 20:29:03
Post by: bunanapeel on Fri, 18 September 2020, 18:01:15
Post by: whirlwind on Sat, 19 September 2020, 00:36:51
Post by: sirieous on Mon, 05 October 2020, 11:41:52
Post by: EdgeOfInfinity on Mon, 05 October 2020, 23:15:22
Post by: Drako on Tue, 06 October 2020, 05:51:38
Post by: thor_r on Tue, 06 October 2020, 11:41:01
Post by: obrid29 on Tue, 06 October 2020, 18:23:05
Post by: ubmit on Tue, 06 October 2020, 19:16:31
Post by: ai03 on Thu, 08 October 2020, 09:18:01
Post by: EdgeOfInfinity on Thu, 08 October 2020, 10:12:57
Post by: acaban on Thu, 08 October 2020, 12:32:00
Post by: lysergic acid on Thu, 08 October 2020, 13:20:55
Post by: IOVERCALLHISTIOCYTES on Thu, 08 October 2020, 14:13:22
what would be the price range for this kb?
I’d be pretty surprised if this was under 700.
Post by: MayberryMech on Fri, 09 October 2020, 19:49:06
Post by: Vadurr on Fri, 09 October 2020, 20:41:36
Post by: IOVERCALLHISTIOCYTES on Fri, 09 October 2020, 20:47:56
Is there a final price yet?
No
Post by: EdgeOfInfinity on Mon, 12 October 2020, 17:09:04
Post by: vi0till on Fri, 16 October 2020, 09:23:32
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Post by: Tarek on Sat, 17 October 2020, 10:56:39
Post by: ergusto on Sat, 17 October 2020, 15:01:11
Post by: zepled112 on Sat, 17 October 2020, 15:04:16
Post by: XHE on Sat, 17 October 2020, 16:05:48
Do we know how long the GB will run for?
It appears to be extremely limited. Cannon Keys has 100 Units at 750 USD. So, I assume it will last about 3 Seconds.
I am just wondering If I should try my luck at Cannon Keys or Deskey, being from Europe.
Post by: hkhawk on Sat, 17 October 2020, 17:32:44
so is that a no to split backspace?
I think I saw somewhere that R1 does not have split backspace but future runs may have split backspace
Post by: despairsray on Sat, 17 October 2020, 20:16:24
Post by: paperassgasket on Sat, 17 October 2020, 20:37:26
Can't wait for next week. Never used the new cannon keys queue system before.
I've taken back to back L's on that system and I gotta say it's the best way to lose a FCFS. Way less stressful.
Seriously though I think it's a great approach, though I don't know the specifics of how the backend works but it's nice to at least have time to add stuff to the cart.
Post by: grimis on Sun, 18 October 2020, 00:31:42
Post by: otakism on Sun, 18 October 2020, 04:57:49
Can't wait for next week. Never used the new cannon keys queue system before.
I've taken back to back L's on that system and I gotta say it's the best way to lose a FCFS. Way less stressful.
Seriously though I think it's a great approach, though I don't know the specifics of how the backend works but it's nice to at least have time to add stuff to the cart.
Would you mind describe the system in a bit more details?
Post by: paperassgasket on Sun, 18 October 2020, 06:00:10
https://cannonkeys.com/blogs/updates/adelie-and-the-new-cannonkeys-release-system?_pos=1&_sid=58a10ea87&_ss=r
Post by: Solotov on Sun, 18 October 2020, 06:40:23
Do we know how long the GB will run for?
It appears to be extremely limited. Cannon Keys has 100 Units at 750 USD. So, I assume it will last about 3 Seconds.
I am just wondering If I should try my luck at Cannon Keys or Deskey, being from Europe.
Wait. Where did you get this info?
Edit: Nvm, just saw his updates in discord ;D
Post by: vi0till on Sun, 18 October 2020, 06:42:55
CK newsletter released this info, today. But havent heard from deskeys, I mean officially.Do we know how long the GB will run for?
It appears to be extremely limited. Cannon Keys has 100 Units at 750 USD. So, I assume it will last about 3 Seconds.
I am just wondering If I should try my luck at Cannon Keys or Deskey, being from Europe.
Wait. Where did you get this info?
Edit: Nvm, just saw his updates in discord ;D
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Post by: Zeelobby on Sun, 18 October 2020, 07:31:46
I watched apiary build this board and for $750 I sure hope we don't get an ugly green PCB and gaskets we have to install our selves...Lulwut?
Post by: Juggy on Sun, 18 October 2020, 07:37:00
I think it's safe to say this one wasn't planned well and got away from designer at some point. :/
Post by: GMK83 on Sun, 18 October 2020, 07:57:58
Post by: Zeelobby on Sun, 18 October 2020, 08:06:59
Post by: grimis on Sun, 18 October 2020, 09:53:18
It’s been said from the start that it was designed around a silver board and beige keycaps. Being surprised that it’s limited in color choices shouldn’t be a surprise to anyone. I personally don’t care about the PCB color. It isn’t seen once built.
Where has that been said? I literally just went through the entire topic and there was no mention of that. He even posted pictures of a black proto...
Post by: GMK83 on Sun, 18 October 2020, 09:58:59
It’s been said from the start that it was designed around a silver board and beige keycaps. Being surprised that it’s limited in color choices shouldn’t be a surprise to anyone. I personally don’t care about the PCB color. It isn’t seen once built.
Where has that been said? I literally just went through the entire topic and there was no mention of that. He even posted pictures of a black proto...
(https://i.imgur.com/KbYBDst.jpeg)
Post by: Juggy on Sun, 18 October 2020, 10:30:47
It’s been said from the start that it was designed around a silver board and beige keycaps. Being surprised that it’s limited in color choices shouldn’t be a surprise to anyone. I personally don’t care about the PCB color. It isn’t seen once built.
Where has that been said? I literally just went through the entire topic and there was no mention of that. He even posted pictures of a black proto...Show Image(https://i.imgur.com/KbYBDst.jpeg)
Really, something from a few days ago...ok guy.
Post by: hkhawk on Sun, 18 October 2020, 10:38:56
Post by: zekkin on Sun, 18 October 2020, 11:28:48
This is honestly such a huge disappointment. I've been waiting on this since day one and even passing on other boards to have a $750 price tag and only silver/gray...I thought for sure there would at least be a black.
I think it's safe to say this one wasn't planned well and got away from designer at some point. :/
Your entitlement is a great encapsulation of what's wrong with this community. What about "ULTRA HIGH END" is hard to understand?
As for what you were waiting for/putting off and being disappointed with choices, here's your single comment in this thread prior to the above comment:
This looks great, in as well!
Not once did you express your desire for color of a keyboard. To say that this wasn't planned well is to completely disregard the time and effort put into this by ai03 and the eventual effort and time Upas will have to dedicate to fulfilling this.
Post by: Capsy on Sun, 18 October 2020, 11:37:51
Too add to this, black and other darker colors were probably left out because they won't accentuate the sides as well as silver does.This is honestly such a huge disappointment. I've been waiting on this since day one and even passing on other boards to have a $750 price tag and only silver/gray...I thought for sure there would at least be a black.
I think it's safe to say this one wasn't planned well and got away from designer at some point. :/
Your entitlement is a great encapsulation of what's wrong with this community. What about "ULTRA HIGH END" is hard to understand?
As for what you were waiting for/putting off and being disappointed with choices, here's your single comment in this thread prior to the above comment:This looks great, in as well!
Not once did you express your desire for color of a keyboard. To say that this wasn't planned well is to completely disregard the time and effort put into this by ai03 and the eventual effort and time Upas will have to dedicate to fulfilling this.
Post by: Juggy on Sun, 18 October 2020, 11:38:43
This is honestly such a huge disappointment. I've been waiting on this since day one and even passing on other boards to have a $750 price tag and only silver/gray...I thought for sure there would at least be a black.
I think it's safe to say this one wasn't planned well and got away from designer at some point. :/
Your entitlement is a great encapsulation of what's wrong with this community. What about "ULTRA HIGH END" is hard to understand?
As for what you were waiting for/putting off and being disappointed with choices, here's your single comment in this thread prior to the above comment:This looks great, in as well!
Not once did you express your desire for color of a keyboard. To say that this wasn't planned well is to completely disregard the time and effort put into this by ai03 and the eventual effort and time Upas will have to dedicate to fulfilling this.
That literally makes no sense. Just because I liked the design and didn't state the color didn't mean I didn't have one in mind. As others have stated there were mock-ups shown in black, so I relied on that.
No I don't think that's what's wrong with the community. I think what's wrong with community is that real world market rules don't apply and we're expected to praise any and all work that is done. This isn't being done for fun, its being done for profit. So any work he put in, we are all grateful for, but there also has to be some accountability. Why does a "custom" board that is being sold for $750 offers almost 0 customizability other than picking between silver and gray. Why does it even cost that much to begin with? Break down the costs for us? Even in this non-sense market, explain to me how this will retain value over something like a Keycult, since its nearing that price tag with also a very limited supply?
Post by: Starston3 on Sun, 18 October 2020, 11:59:54
This is honestly such a huge disappointment. I've been waiting on this since day one and even passing on other boards to have a $750 price tag and only silver/gray...I thought for sure there would at least be a black.
I think it's safe to say this one wasn't planned well and got away from designer at some point. :/
Your entitlement is a great encapsulation of what's wrong with this community. What about "ULTRA HIGH END" is hard to understand?
As for what you were waiting for/putting off and being disappointed with choices, here's your single comment in this thread prior to the above comment:This looks great, in as well!
Not once did you express your desire for color of a keyboard. To say that this wasn't planned well is to completely disregard the time and effort put into this by ai03 and the eventual effort and time Upas will have to dedicate to fulfilling this.
That literally makes no sense. Just because I liked the design and didn't state the color didn't mean I didn't have one in mind. As others have stated there were mock-ups shown in black, so I relied on that.
No I don't think that's what's wrong with the community. I think what's wrong with community is that real world market rules don't apply and we're expected to praise any and all work that is done. This isn't being done for fun, its being done for profit. So any work he put in, we are all grateful for, but there also has to be some accountability. Why does a "custom" board that is being sold for $750 offers almost 0 customizability other than picking between silver and gray. Why does it even cost that much to begin with? Break down the costs for us? Even in this non-sense market, explain to me how this will retain value over something like a Keycult, since its nearing that price tag with also a very limited supply?
At the end of the day it's up to the designer to decide what they want what they designed to look like. ai03 is very opinoated and if it doesn't appeal to everyone, it's fine there will be other that will like it and buy it. ai03 doesn't care about aftermarket value, nor should most people.
At the end of the day, do you like the 2 colour available? Yes? Then buy. No? can you cerakote or reannodize later? probably. Then buy it. If not, there aren't an lack of other TKLs being IC'd.
The designer doesn't owe anything to anyone, other than their vision of what they made. Once you bought it you can do whatever you want with it.
Post by: GMK83 on Sun, 18 October 2020, 12:02:57
Post by: vi0till on Sun, 18 October 2020, 12:11:36
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Post by: Juggy on Sun, 18 October 2020, 12:30:42
Did black proto even exist? iirc, only silver and grey proto.Show Image(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20201018/284489472f573e812bfedbc3de21197f.jpg)
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Yea, unless this is a really dark gray since I'm not sure pics of the gray were posted. In any case it is what it is. I was just expressing that I was looking forward to the black version of this for a long time and was disappointed. People have to jump with making stupid comments.
(https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/601774071964893219/730557498842546237/QFSiK35.jpg)
Post by: otakism on Sun, 18 October 2020, 12:52:49
Post by: grimis on Sun, 18 October 2020, 12:55:34
This is honestly such a huge disappointment. I've been waiting on this since day one and even passing on other boards to have a $750 price tag and only silver/gray...I thought for sure there would at least be a black.
I think it's safe to say this one wasn't planned well and got away from designer at some point. :/
Your entitlement is a great encapsulation of what's wrong with this community. What about "ULTRA HIGH END" is hard to understand?
As for what you were waiting for/putting off and being disappointed with choices, here's your single comment in this thread prior to the above comment:This looks great, in as well!
Not once did you express your desire for color of a keyboard. To say that this wasn't planned well is to completely disregard the time and effort put into this by ai03 and the eventual effort and time Upas will have to dedicate to fulfilling this.
No, your comment is what's wrong with the community. Apparently having some criticism and disappointment = entitlement to you. That is backwards.
Post by: vi0till on Sun, 18 October 2020, 13:02:09
It's mentioned in discord the deskeys batch will be moved to taobao due to high demand from China, is any information on how to join the taobao GB?Will be announced(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20201018/9be6d360cd7f1015f8d4e5d18d1f92e1.jpg)
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Post by: MacSurfy on Sun, 18 October 2020, 13:02:43
This is honestly such a huge disappointment. I've been waiting on this since day one and even passing on other boards to have a $750 price tag and only silver/gray...I thought for sure there would at least be a black.
I think it's safe to say this one wasn't planned well and got away from designer at some point. :/
Your entitlement is a great encapsulation of what's wrong with this community. What about "ULTRA HIGH END" is hard to understand?
As for what you were waiting for/putting off and being disappointed with choices, here's your single comment in this thread prior to the above comment:This looks great, in as well!
Not once did you express your desire for color of a keyboard. To say that this wasn't planned well is to completely disregard the time and effort put into this by ai03 and the eventual effort and time Upas will have to dedicate to fulfilling this.
No, your comment is what's wrong with the community. Apparently having some criticism and disappointment = entitlement to you. That is backwards.
Critisism is one thing. Making a post about how poorly planned this is because *his* preferred color was not the chosen one is entitlement.
Post by: aadk5 on Sun, 18 October 2020, 13:09:15
Did black proto even exist? iirc, only silver and grey proto.Show Image(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20201018/284489472f573e812bfedbc3de21197f.jpg)
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Yea, unless this is a really dark gray since I'm not sure pics of the gray were posted. In any case it is what it is. I was just expressing that I was looking forward to the black version of this for a long time and was disappointed. People have to jump with making stupid comments.Show Image(https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/601774071964893219/730557498842546237/QFSiK35.jpg)
Obviously I'm just assuming here, but I think this has to be the gray. The known options are silver with gray weight, and gray with silver weight. If you look at all the pictures of the silver board, the gray is quite dark, almost close to this. If you look at this picture, the weight inside is silver. So, again this is an assumption, I'm going to guess this is the gray
Post by: grimis on Sun, 18 October 2020, 13:16:57
This is honestly such a huge disappointment. I've been waiting on this since day one and even passing on other boards to have a $750 price tag and only silver/gray...I thought for sure there would at least be a black.
I think it's safe to say this one wasn't planned well and got away from designer at some point. :/
Your entitlement is a great encapsulation of what's wrong with this community. What about "ULTRA HIGH END" is hard to understand?
As for what you were waiting for/putting off and being disappointed with choices, here's your single comment in this thread prior to the above comment:This looks great, in as well!
Not once did you express your desire for color of a keyboard. To say that this wasn't planned well is to completely disregard the time and effort put into this by ai03 and the eventual effort and time Upas will have to dedicate to fulfilling this.
No, your comment is what's wrong with the community. Apparently having some criticism and disappointment = entitlement to you. That is backwards.
Critisism is one thing. Making a post about how poorly planned this is because *his* preferred color was not the chosen one is entitlement.
It has nothing to do with HIS colour. It's the fact that what we are presented as the final GB seems poorly planned and rushed. It's a $750 board with what is essentially zero options. It feels like something we'd get in a GB in 2016, not 2020.
I think these issues encapsulate everything that is wrong with this hobby honestly. We have a topic dedicated to being an interest check with no real info. Everything that has been stated about this board was in outside channels. So basically if you want to know the colours of the board or his intended design, or any other in depth info, the interest check isn't the place to be. That seems counter intuitive... The entire hobby is very poorly run and communicated in this regard. Not just ai03 but most GBs and interest checks. Some better than other . That's not entitlement, it's just the reality.
Is hoping that the interest check would be updated with relevant information such as colors and how it was intended to be designed really entitlement? It's the point of the damn post.
Does saying months ago that the board was designed to be Silver with beige keycaps, not mentioning it in this thread at all and then showing pictures of a black proto just months ago mean I'm entitled because I expected a black version? Come on....
Post by: Juggy on Sun, 18 October 2020, 13:20:56
This is honestly such a huge disappointment. I've been waiting on this since day one and even passing on other boards to have a $750 price tag and only silver/gray...I thought for sure there would at least be a black.
I think it's safe to say this one wasn't planned well and got away from designer at some point. :/
Your entitlement is a great encapsulation of what's wrong with this community. What about "ULTRA HIGH END" is hard to understand?
As for what you were waiting for/putting off and being disappointed with choices, here's your single comment in this thread prior to the above comment:This looks great, in as well!
Not once did you express your desire for color of a keyboard. To say that this wasn't planned well is to completely disregard the time and effort put into this by ai03 and the eventual effort and time Upas will have to dedicate to fulfilling this.
No, your comment is what's wrong with the community. Apparently having some criticism and disappointment = entitlement to you. That is backwards.
Critisism is one thing. Making a post about how poorly planned this is because *his* preferred color was not the chosen one is entitlement.
Because it clearly was, I'm not sure how you're not seeing that. This feels rushed to me, but to each their own. There is no true refinement here for $750, no choice of anything really for a "custom keyboard," plain pcb that looks worst than a cheap keyboard, cut-outs that overlap with switches, possible broken daughter ports, very limited quantity...I didn't want to go into all of this but seriously if anyone is entitled here are designers that expect all of you to eat up whatever is served.
Post by: aadk5 on Sun, 18 October 2020, 13:29:02
Because it clearly was, I'm not sure how you're not seeing that. This feels rushed to me, but to each their own. There is no true refinement here for $750, no choice of anything really for a "custom keyboard," plain pcb that looks worst than a cheap keyboard, cut-outs that overlap with switches, possible broken daughter ports, very limited quantity...I didn't want to go into all of this but seriously if anyone is entitled here are designers that expect all of you to eat up whatever is served.
Wow this IC thread is getting quite off topic with a lot of misinformation. The tabs overlapping the switches is exactly why you prototype, and what you saw gasp build was a prototype and will be changed I'm sure. Broken daughterboard happens to so many boards that uses daughterboards and that's not really anyone's fault; that's just what happens when you add things that could be potential points of failure. I'm sure they will test the boards that actually go to group buy to make sure the daughterboards work. Also, very limited quality is always a thing in keyboard group buys; the Duck Orion released yesterday also only had 100 units; the Iron 180 is also only 200 boards in the US vendor
Post by: MacSurfy on Sun, 18 October 2020, 14:02:09
Does saying months ago that the board was designed to be Silver with beige keycaps, not mentioning it in this thread at all and then showing pictures of a black proto just months ago mean I'm entitled because I expected a black version? Come on....
Did he ever say it was black though? Maybe he did, never saw the post. But if its the same as the photo posted just above this conversation it could be the grey that is also offered in the GB. Hard to tell from that photo.
Because it clearly was, I'm not sure how you're not seeing that. This feels rushed to me, but to each their own. There is no true refinement here for $750, no choice of anything really for a "custom keyboard," plain pcb that looks worst than a cheap keyboard, cut-outs that overlap with switches, possible broken daughter ports, very limited quantity...I didn't want to go into all of this but seriously if anyone is entitled here are designers that expect all of you to eat up whatever is served.
Yeah, I am not down with the PCB either. Looks cheap at this price point. BUT, we also don't know if that is the final PCB since this was a prototype.. and the same goes for the rest of what you highlighted in your post. It's a bit of a double edged sword to show off a prototype, people will comment on every single detail even though its not final yet. But at the same time its hard for us consumers to know what to expect at the end.
Post by: Rico on Sun, 18 October 2020, 14:06:44
And there is a LOT of incredible work done in this one.
First this is a screwless, all curvy keyboard, this complicates the design a lot.
As for the price of 750$ it does not look overpriced for what it is.
All these curves will take ages to CNC machine.
The weight is stainless steel, an expensive and very difficult to machine material. On top of that given its shape a big shunk have to be used and a lot of material have to be removed, adding to the cost.
I can understand the frustration of not having more color choices, but at the end it is the designer's choice and has nothing to do with rushing a GB.
Peace
Post by: grimis on Sun, 18 October 2020, 14:10:30
Does saying months ago that the board was designed to be Silver with beige keycaps, not mentioning it in this thread at all and then showing pictures of a black proto just months ago mean I'm entitled because I expected a black version? Come on....
Did he ever say it was black though? Maybe he did, never saw the post. But if its the same as the photo posted just above this conversation it could be the grey that is also offered in the GB. Hard to tell from that photo.Because it clearly was, I'm not sure how you're not seeing that. This feels rushed to me, but to each their own. There is no true refinement here for $750, no choice of anything really for a "custom keyboard," plain pcb that looks worst than a cheap keyboard, cut-outs that overlap with switches, possible broken daughter ports, very limited quantity...I didn't want to go into all of this but seriously if anyone is entitled here are designers that expect all of you to eat up whatever is served.
Yeah, I am not down with the PCB either. Looks cheap at this price point. BUT, we also don't know if that is the final PCB since this was a prototype.. and the same goes for the rest of what you highlighted in your post. It's a bit of a double edged sword to show off a prototype, people will comment on every single detail even though its not final yet. But at the same time its hard for us consumers to know what to expect at the end.
I mean, that photo ain't grey, so again, this is really just compounding the problems that are being raised here. And Apiary said the PCB is the final one....
Post by: elmo on Sun, 18 October 2020, 14:18:00
Because it clearly was, I'm not sure how you're not seeing that. This feels rushed to me, but to each their own. There is no true refinement here for $750, no choice of anything really for a "custom keyboard," plain pcb that looks worst than a cheap keyboard, cut-outs that overlap with switches, possible broken daughter ports, very limited quantity...I didn't want to go into all of this but seriously if anyone is entitled here are designers that expect all of you to eat up whatever is served.
Jesus your entitlement is outright disgusting.
Please. Feel free to design your own keyboard.
Then we'll see how "rushed" your **** will be.
You apparently have absolutely no ****ing clue what goes into making a keyboard like this.
How much time, money and sleepless nights a designer has to pour into a project like this for prototyping, solving problems and organizing stuff with vendors.
This was advertised as a "cost no object" keyboard and yet you are here, crying about the pricetag. Do you even hear yourself talking?
But yeah. I'm sure if you design a keyboard everything will be perfectly well planned out with 100 different color options right?
Please just leave this hobby already. Nodody wants entitled idiots like you here... :-X
Post by: tommyhongg on Sun, 18 October 2020, 14:21:47
Post by: LOLWK on Sun, 18 October 2020, 14:24:08
I will definitely try to buy one. But i freaking hate cannonkeys storefront
Post by: tommyhongg on Sun, 18 October 2020, 14:25:15
This is honestly such a huge disappointment. I've been waiting on this since day one and even passing on other boards to have a $750 price tag and only silver/gray...I thought for sure there would at least be a black.
I think it's safe to say this one wasn't planned well and got away from designer at some point. :/
Your entitlement is a great encapsulation of what's wrong with this community. What about "ULTRA HIGH END" is hard to understand?
As for what you were waiting for/putting off and being disappointed with choices, here's your single comment in this thread prior to the above comment:This looks great, in as well!
Not once did you express your desire for color of a keyboard. To say that this wasn't planned well is to completely disregard the time and effort put into this by ai03 and the eventual effort and time Upas will have to dedicate to fulfilling this.
No, your comment is what's wrong with the community. Apparently having some criticism and disappointment = entitlement to you. That is backwards.
Critisism is one thing. Making a post about how poorly planned this is because *his* preferred color was not the chosen one is entitlement.
Because it clearly was, I'm not sure how you're not seeing that. This feels rushed to me, but to each their own. There is no true refinement here for $750, no choice of anything really for a "custom keyboard," plain pcb that looks worst than a cheap keyboard, cut-outs that overlap with switches, possible broken daughter ports, very limited quantity...I didn't want to go into all of this but seriously if anyone is entitled here are designers that expect all of you to eat up whatever is served.
I have an idea, how about don't buy the thing?
Post by: tommyhongg on Sun, 18 October 2020, 14:25:42
Post by: tommyhongg on Sun, 18 October 2020, 14:26:02
Post by: ai03 on Sun, 18 October 2020, 14:26:51
As you may have seen on the Cannonkeys newsletter and/or Apiary stream, this board will be 750 USD with a 100 unit cap per vendor.
Laughably, a massive portion of the price tag is the sheer production cost from machining out such a design. Don't say that I didn't warn you regarding the price beforehand...
There will be two color configurations:
- Silver case, grey weight, black plate
- Grey case, silver weight, black plate
Both configurations will be of identical materials - aluminum case and plate, steel weight.
Cannonkeys will sell on their storefront via their usual rolling raffle system on October 24, 11:00AM Eastern time.
Due to massive demand from the CN market, the Deskeys batch will be sold through Taobao in FCFS fashion on October 25, 11:00AM Beijing time (12 hrs after CK's batch).
Neither vendor will be region-locked; feel free to purchase from whichever is more convenient.
The build guide will outline the correct assembly order for the keyboard when it is available. This will avoid problems with screwless mount point fitment seen in the stream.
One thing to note is that due to timezone differences, I may be asleep when these buys happen, so I may not be able to drop a "5 minutes until GB" announcement or whatnot.
Please consider this to be the last reliable notification from me regarding the board, and set your calendars/alarm clocks on your side for these times.
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Doing the much-needed housekeeping akin to trying to fight a house fire without a sprinkler system:
I watched apiary build this board and for $750 I sure hope we don't get an ugly green PCB and gaskets we have to install our selves...Production PCB will be black.
You have to install the gaskets yourself by default; however, you can use your personal slave labor instead as an upgrade option.
This is honestly such a huge disappointment. I've been waiting on this since day one and even passing on other boards to have a $750 price tag and only silver/gray...I thought for sure there would at least be a black.I ruled out black as an option from day 1 as it would not reflect the lighting properly and would kill the benefits of the design.
I think it's safe to say this one wasn't planned well and got away from designer at some point. :/
I think it's safe to say that uncontrolled speculation gets away from the design's intentions at some point.
Why does it even cost that much to begin with?Machining cost and material cost. As simple as that.
Chop off the sculpted surfaces and downsize the weight, and watch price literally drop to half.
Because it clearly was, I'm not sure how you're not seeing that. This feels rushed to me, but to each their own. There is no true refinement here for $750, no choice of anything really for a "custom keyboard," plain pcb that looks worst than a cheap keyboard, cut-outs that overlap with switches, possible broken daughter ports, very limited quantity...I didn't want to go into all of this but seriously if anyone is entitled here are designers that expect all of you to eat up whatever is served.I suppose I am entitled indeed. Unfortunate that I must enforce upon you the existence of this thread which you could simply dismiss as not fitting your values and close for the sake of spending time doing something more worthwhile than replying to such a topic.
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It pains my heart that the community which surrounds the hobby which I enjoy so much is the one which I despise the most.
It also disappoints me that I am not allowed to make what pleases me and to allow a purchasing option for those who wish to obtain a copy of it without coming under heavy criticism.
Alas, it is what it is.
Post by: grimis on Sun, 18 October 2020, 14:33:15
Post by: ai03 on Sun, 18 October 2020, 14:35:42
If you ruled out black on day one, can you provide some insight into the proto picture you posted that looked black? Are we to assume that is the grey version? Because it looks black.... Is that how the grey version will look in real life, or does it not reflect how it will look? Because if that is how it will look I don't think anyone who wanted black will be disappointed with that.
Because gray, with dark lighting, contrasty lighting, special lighting, and all sorts of lighting, can appear as differing shades of grey, perhaps 50 shades of grey.
I highly recommend testing with a grey anodized piece of aluminum and photographing it in heavily varying lighting conditions to see the results.
Post by: IOVERCALLHISTIOCYTES on Sun, 18 October 2020, 14:36:07
This is a cool board and im looking forward staring at the CK queue
Post by: grimis on Sun, 18 October 2020, 14:41:27
If you ruled out black on day one, can you provide some insight into the proto picture you posted that looked black? Are we to assume that is the grey version? Because it looks black.... Is that how the grey version will look in real life, or does it not reflect how it will look? Because if that is how it will look I don't think anyone who wanted black will be disappointed with that.
Because gray, with dark lighting, contrasty lighting, special lighting, and all sorts of lighting, can appear as differing shades of grey, perhaps 50 shades of grey.
I highly recommend testing with a grey anodized piece of aluminum and photographing it in heavily varying lighting conditions to see the results.
I understand photographing things can be difficult. I'm just trying to get an idea of what to expect with the grey version. Despite my criticisms and disappointment at colour choices, I fully intend to try and get in on this board. But I was learning towards silver over grey, unless this is almost like a charcoal grey which it looks like in the pictures.
Will you have more photos available before the GB?
Post by: Zeelobby on Sun, 18 October 2020, 14:42:45
Fresh people in this hobby have two options. Learn more and then make educated comments on the subject, or, stumble around like entitled idiots raging at the sky simply because it's above you.
In the end a designer can design or sell whatever he wants. Those who like what a designer makes and are willing to pay for it aren't "eating up whatever was served". They're making a choice like grown ass adults. Whining in a forum thread because you didn't personally get what you wanted while never even sharing your desires during months of interest checks... Time to grow up.
At least these latter people are still the minority. But they're hard to ignore when they divert discussion with their bile.
Post by: ai03 on Sun, 18 October 2020, 14:43:36
I understand photographing things can be difficult. I'm just trying to get an idea of what to expect with the grey version. Despite my criticisms and disappointment at colour choices, I fully intend to try and get in on this board. But I was learning towards silver over grey, unless this is almost like a charcoal grey which it looks like in the pictures.
Will you have more photos available before the GB?
I highly recommend avoiding this GB if cannot be satisfied unless a certain shade of grey.
My prototype unit is currently on its way back following display at Maker Faire Tokyo, after which it will be quarantined for a while to disinfect thoroughly. Therefore, it is unlikely that I will be able to photograph the board before GB, especially in enough specific lighting conditions to convey to you the exact shade of the board through your monitor.
Post by: HoodrowThrillson on Sun, 18 October 2020, 14:47:26
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Designed as a cost-no-object keyboardGetting mad at price tag
:)
Post by: Vaiur on Sun, 18 October 2020, 14:48:15
...
It pains my heart that the community which surrounds the hobby which I enjoy so much is the one which I despise the most.
It also disappoints me that I am not allowed to make what pleases me and to allow a purchasing option for those who wish to obtain a copy of it without coming under heavy criticism.
Alas, it is what it is.
@Juggy
You should feel ****ing ashamed that these words coming from this person are pointed at people like you.
Post by: grimis on Sun, 18 October 2020, 14:49:09
I understand photographing things can be difficult. I'm just trying to get an idea of what to expect with the grey version. Despite my criticisms and disappointment at colour choices, I fully intend to try and get in on this board. But I was learning towards silver over grey, unless this is almost like a charcoal grey which it looks like in the pictures.
Will you have more photos available before the GB?
I highly recommend avoiding this GB if cannot be satisfied unless a certain shade of grey.
My prototype unit is currently on its way back following display at Maker Faire Tokyo, after which it will be quarantined for a while to disinfect thoroughly. Therefore, it is unlikely that I will be able to photograph the board before GB, especially in enough specific lighting conditions to convey to you the exact shade of the board through your monitor.
I'll be avoiding it now due to your arrogance. Which ultimately won't matter in the end, but it's gross how slight criticism towards something results in this kind of response from not only community members, which I can expect, but the actual designers.
Imagine responding this way to someone who would like a bit more info before dropping $800 on a keyboard. Imagine getting upset that someone said this GB seems poorly planned when you won't even be able to show people when they are getting in one of two options you are providing.
Post by: aadk5 on Sun, 18 October 2020, 14:50:23
I'll be avoiding it now due to your arrogance. Which ultimately won't matter in the end, but it's gross how slight criticism towards something results in this kind of response from not only community members, which I can expect, but the actual designers.
Imagine responding this way to someone who would like a bit more info before dropping $800 on a keyboard. Imagine getting upset that someone said this GB seems poorly planned when you won't even be able to show people when they are getting in one of two options you are providing.
Nice, better chances for me and for anyone else who actually liked how the board is designed. What a concept, only buying something you actually like and not buying something if you don't like it
Post by: tommyhongg on Sun, 18 October 2020, 14:50:36
I understand photographing things can be difficult. I'm just trying to get an idea of what to expect with the grey version. Despite my criticisms and disappointment at colour choices, I fully intend to try and get in on this board. But I was learning towards silver over grey, unless this is almost like a charcoal grey which it looks like in the pictures.
Will you have more photos available before the GB?
I highly recommend avoiding this GB if cannot be satisfied unless a certain shade of grey.
My prototype unit is currently on its way back following display at Maker Faire Tokyo, after which it will be quarantined for a while to disinfect thoroughly. Therefore, it is unlikely that I will be able to photograph the board before GB, especially in enough specific lighting conditions to convey to you the exact shade of the board through your monitor.
I'll be avoiding it now due to your arrogance. Which ultimately won't matter in the end, but it's gross how slight criticism towards something results in this kind of response from not only community members, which I can expect, but the actual designers.
Imagine responding this way to someone who would like a bit more info before dropping $800 on a keyboard. Imagine getting upset that someone said this GB seems poorly planned when you won't even be able to show people when they are getting in one of two options you are providing.
KEKW?
Post by: MediocreTurtle on Sun, 18 October 2020, 14:50:41
Post by: HoodrowThrillson on Sun, 18 October 2020, 14:50:47
I'm weak.I understand photographing things can be difficult. I'm just trying to get an idea of what to expect with the grey version. Despite my criticisms and disappointment at colour choices, I fully intend to try and get in on this board. But I was learning towards silver over grey, unless this is almost like a charcoal grey which it looks like in the pictures.
Will you have more photos available before the GB?
I highly recommend avoiding this GB if cannot be satisfied unless a certain shade of grey.
My prototype unit is currently on its way back following display at Maker Faire Tokyo, after which it will be quarantined for a while to disinfect thoroughly. Therefore, it is unlikely that I will be able to photograph the board before GB, especially in enough specific lighting conditions to convey to you the exact shade of the board through your monitor.
I'll be avoiding it now due to your arrogance. Which ultimately won't matter in the end, but it's gross how slight criticism towards something results in this kind of response from not only community members, which I can expect, but the actual designers.
Imagine responding this way to someone who would like a bit more info before dropping $800 on a keyboard. Imagine getting upset that someone said this GB seems poorly planned when you won't even be able to show people when they are getting in one of two options you are providing.
This thread is a gold mine
Post by: Juggy on Sun, 18 October 2020, 14:50:56
Because it clearly was, I'm not sure how you're not seeing that. This feels rushed to me, but to each their own. There is no true refinement here for $750, no choice of anything really for a "custom keyboard," plain pcb that looks worst than a cheap keyboard, cut-outs that overlap with switches, possible broken daughter ports, very limited quantity...I didn't want to go into all of this but seriously if anyone is entitled here are designers that expect all of you to eat up whatever is served.
Jesus your entitlement is outright disgusting.
Please. Feel free to design your own keyboard.
Then we'll see how "rushed" your **** will be.
You apparently have absolutely no ****ing clue what goes into making a keyboard like this.
How much time, money and sleepless nights a designer has to pour into a project like this for prototyping, solving problems and organizing stuff with vendors.
This was advertised as a "cost no object" keyboard and yet you are here, crying about the pricetag. Do you even hear yourself talking?
But yeah. I'm sure if you design a keyboard everything will be perfectly well planned out with 100 different color options right?
Please just leave this hobby already. Nodody wants entitled idiots like you here... :-X
You sound like a huge dbag. "my entitlement is outright disgusting," are you for real? I'm not even entitled I'm just raising real concerns here. People had to go on attack mode after a very simple criticism, and then they get hurt when I explain position. But let me tell you what, even if I was, this is a high priced luxury item, I expect the price tag to match the quality as a consumer. If I saw the same with any other item, including from big corporations I would say the same. Stop being a tool, not providing real feedback will only diminish the community. Don't be a yes man, its gross.
Post by: Capsy on Sun, 18 October 2020, 14:51:37
Tell me about it. So much copy pasta for the future.I'm weak.I understand photographing things can be difficult. I'm just trying to get an idea of what to expect with the grey version. Despite my criticisms and disappointment at colour choices, I fully intend to try and get in on this board. But I was learning towards silver over grey, unless this is almost like a charcoal grey which it looks like in the pictures.
Will you have more photos available before the GB?
I highly recommend avoiding this GB if cannot be satisfied unless a certain shade of grey.
My prototype unit is currently on its way back following display at Maker Faire Tokyo, after which it will be quarantined for a while to disinfect thoroughly. Therefore, it is unlikely that I will be able to photograph the board before GB, especially in enough specific lighting conditions to convey to you the exact shade of the board through your monitor.
I'll be avoiding it now due to your arrogance. Which ultimately won't matter in the end, but it's gross how slight criticism towards something results in this kind of response from not only community members, which I can expect, but the actual designers.
Imagine responding this way to someone who would like a bit more info before dropping $800 on a keyboard. Imagine getting upset that someone said this GB seems poorly planned when you won't even be able to show people when they are getting in one of two options you are providing.
This thread is a gold mine
Post by: directheatedtriode on Sun, 18 October 2020, 14:52:36
Post by: HoodrowThrillson on Sun, 18 October 2020, 14:54:22
I've only bought from Cannonkeys for 30 day window GBs. How does the rolling raffle work?From my understanding, it works like how sneaker drops work.
You wait in a "waiting room", earlier = higher chance, and you sit and wait.
Post by: upas on Sun, 18 October 2020, 14:55:21
I've only bought from Cannonkeys for 30 day window GBs. How does the rolling raffle work?
We have a blog post about our custom checkout system here:
https://cannonkeys.com/blogs/updates/adelie-and-the-new-cannonkeys-release-system
Post by: meiosis on Sun, 18 October 2020, 14:57:14
One shot, or one opportunity
To seize that keyboard you always wanted - one moment
Would you captcha it? Or just let it slip?
His palms are sweaty, knees weak, wallet empty
There's vomit on his keyset already, mom's spaghetti
He's nervous, but on the surface he looks calm and ready
To drop money, but he keeps on forgetting the time he wrote down
The whole channel goes so loud
He opens the page, but the images won't load out
He's choking, how? Everybody's checking out
The stock's run out, time's up, over, blaow!
Post by: elmo on Sun, 18 October 2020, 14:58:32
You sound like a huge dbag. "my entitlement is outright disgusting," are you for real? I'm not even entitled I'm just raising real concerns here. But let me tell you what, even if I was this is a high priced luxury item, I expect the price tag to match the quality as a consumer. If I saw the same with any other item, including from big corporations I would say the same. Stop being a tool, not providing real feedback will only diminish the community. Don't be a yes man, its gross.
"Raising real concerns"...
Calling the groupbuy "rushed", "not well planned" while you have absolutely zero ****ing knowledge about what kind of work goes into a design and groupbuy like this is exactly that. Entitlement.
"even if I was this is a high priced luxury item, I expect the price tag to match the quality"
Yeah and you absolutely know the quality of this board right? Jesus...
cut-outs that overlap with switchesApparently you are even to stupid to understand how a screwless case design works... :confused:
Also:
Lol. I love the assumption that if it's expensive, and custom, it has to have limitless color options for me. Or that protos should be flawless to me. Or that it should be tailored to me. Or that quantity should be unlimited for me. Or that it should be sold for a price and using a method that I should have no problem purchasing it.Entitlement.
Post by: trg1234 on Sun, 18 October 2020, 15:00:27
I understand photographing things can be difficult. I'm just trying to get an idea of what to expect with the grey version. Despite my criticisms and disappointment at colour choices, I fully intend to try and get in on this board. But I was learning towards silver over grey, unless this is almost like a charcoal grey which it looks like in the pictures.
Will you have more photos available before the GB?
I highly recommend avoiding this GB if cannot be satisfied unless a certain shade of grey.
My prototype unit is currently on its way back following display at Maker Faire Tokyo, after which it will be quarantined for a while to disinfect thoroughly. Therefore, it is unlikely that I will be able to photograph the board before GB, especially in enough specific lighting conditions to convey to you the exact shade of the board through your monitor.
I'll be avoiding it now due to your arrogance. Which ultimately won't matter in the end, but it's gross how slight criticism towards something results in this kind of response from not only community members, which I can expect, but the actual designers.
Imagine responding this way to someone who would like a bit more info before dropping $800 on a keyboard. Imagine getting upset that someone said this GB seems poorly planned when you won't even be able to show people when they are getting in one of two options you are providing.
something something MONUMENTAL MISTAKE
Post by: LOLWK on Sun, 18 October 2020, 15:01:45
Because it clearly was, I'm not sure how you're not seeing that. This feels rushed to me, but to each their own. There is no true refinement here for $750, no choice of anything really for a "custom keyboard," plain pcb that looks worst than a cheap keyboard, cut-outs that overlap with switches, possible broken daughter ports, very limited quantity...I didn't want to go into all of this but seriously if anyone is entitled here are designers that expect all of you to eat up whatever is served.
Jesus your entitlement is outright disgusting.
Please. Feel free to design your own keyboard.
Then we'll see how "rushed" your **** will be.
You apparently have absolutely no ****ing clue what goes into making a keyboard like this.
How much time, money and sleepless nights a designer has to pour into a project like this for prototyping, solving problems and organizing stuff with vendors.
This was advertised as a "cost no object" keyboard and yet you are here, crying about the pricetag. Do you even hear yourself talking?
But yeah. I'm sure if you design a keyboard everything will be perfectly well planned out with 100 different color options right?
Please just leave this hobby already. Nodody wants entitled idiots like you here... :-X
You sound like a huge dbag. "my entitlement is outright disgusting," are you for real? I'm not even entitled I'm just raising real concerns here. People had to go on attack mode after a very simple criticism, and then they get hurt when I explain position. But let me tell you what, even if I was, this is a high priced luxury item, I expect the price tag to match the quality as a consumer. If I saw the same with any other item, including from big corporations I would say the same. Stop being a tool, not providing real feedback will only diminish the community. Don't be a yes man, its gross.
You arent providing any real feedback. Thats what youre getting attacked.
Post by: MacSurfy on Sun, 18 October 2020, 15:05:09
I mean, that photo ain't grey, so again, this is really just compounding the problems that are being raised here. And Apiary said the PCB is the final one....
SO, it was confirmed grey and PCB is not final.
This is why its bad to go on assumptions.
Post by: Juggy on Sun, 18 October 2020, 15:06:14
You sound like a huge dbag. "my entitlement is outright disgusting," are you for real? I'm not even entitled I'm just raising real concerns here. But let me tell you what, even if I was this is a high priced luxury item, I expect the price tag to match the quality as a consumer. If I saw the same with any other item, including from big corporations I would say the same. Stop being a tool, not providing real feedback will only diminish the community. Don't be a yes man, its gross.
"Raising real concerns"...
Calling the groupbuy "rushed", "not well planned" while you have absolutely zero ****ing knowledge about what kind of work goes into a design and groupbuy like this is exactly that. Entitlement.
"even if I was this is a high priced luxury item, I expect the price tag to match the quality"
Yeah and you absolutely know the quality of this board right? Jesus...cut-outs that overlap with switchesApparently you are even to stupid to understand how a screwless case design works... :confused:
Also:Lol. I love the assumption that if it's expensive, and custom, it has to have limitless color options for me. Or that protos should be flawless to me. Or that it should be tailored to me. Or that quantity should be unlimited for me. Or that it should be sold for a price and using a method that I should have no problem purchasing it.Entitlement.
Relax you're going to pop a vein.
Post by: grimis on Sun, 18 October 2020, 15:11:08
Ya, god forbid I use a photo provided by the designer to judge the project, and god forbid I use the information provided by the streamer who was sent the product to promote said product who said the PCB was final.I mean, that photo ain't grey, so again, this is really just compounding the problems that are being raised here. And Apiary said the PCB is the final one....
SO, it was confirmed grey and PCB is not final.
This is why its bad to go on assumptions.
What a bunch of completely unreasonable assumptions I've made! I'm clearly a very entitled person for drawing conclusions based on the information that was provided to me by the designer and the person responsible for promoting the product.
Post by: MacSurfy on Sun, 18 October 2020, 15:13:58
Ya, god forbid I use a photo provided by the designer to judge the project, and god forbid I use the information provided by the streamer who was sent the product to promote said product who said the PCB was final.I mean, that photo ain't grey, so again, this is really just compounding the problems that are being raised here. And Apiary said the PCB is the final one....
SO, it was confirmed grey and PCB is not final.
This is why its bad to go on assumptions.
It does not look fully black in the photo, and nobody said it would be black. It could be grey. That's what I am getting at. Unless the designer has said it will be a certain color and the PCB will look a certain way its not official information. That's all.
Post by: meiosis on Sun, 18 October 2020, 15:14:19
Post by: Juggy on Sun, 18 October 2020, 15:14:26
You sound like a huge dbag. "my entitlement is outright disgusting," are you for real? I'm not even entitled I'm just raising real concerns here. But let me tell you what, even if I was this is a high priced luxury item, I expect the price tag to match the quality as a consumer. If I saw the same with any other item, including from big corporations I would say the same. Stop being a tool, not providing real feedback will only diminish the community. Don't be a yes man, its gross.
"Raising real concerns"...
Calling the groupbuy "rushed", "not well planned" while you have absolutely zero ****ing knowledge about what kind of work goes into a design and groupbuy like this is exactly that. Entitlement.
"even if I was this is a high priced luxury item, I expect the price tag to match the quality"
Yeah and you absolutely know the quality of this board right? Jesus...cut-outs that overlap with switchesApparently you are even to stupid to understand how a screwless case design works... :confused:
Also:Lol. I love the assumption that if it's expensive, and custom, it has to have limitless color options for me. Or that protos should be flawless to me. Or that it should be tailored to me. Or that quantity should be unlimited for me. Or that it should be sold for a price and using a method that I should have no problem purchasing it.Entitlement.
Relax you're going to pop a vein.
Ya, god forbid I use a photo provided by the designer to judge the project, and god forbid I use the information provided by the streamer who was sent the product to promote said product who said the PCB was final.
Seriously, we work with the info we are given. The price being announced this late, the colors being announced this late, not even having final mock-ups or any pictures of one of two options one week out is not exactly commendable. The discord was completely locked ages ago and there has been very little communication. I don't like criticizing people that work hard, and this shouldn't diminish their work, but there needs to be less arrogance and better communication.
Post by: pngu on Sun, 18 October 2020, 15:15:05
I think 🤔it's safe to say 💬 📣 this one wasn't planned 📆 📰 well ☝️ and got away from designer 🖍️👶 at some point 👈️
Post by: ai03 on Sun, 18 October 2020, 15:15:59
I don't like criticizing people that work hard, and this shouldn't diminish their work, but there needs to be less arrogance and better communication.
Less arrogance -> Give me a time machine so I can check the future so I know when stuff will happen
Better communication -> Discord, as stated in the very first post of the thread
Post by: grimis on Sun, 18 October 2020, 15:24:11
I don't like criticizing people that work hard, and this shouldn't diminish their work, but there needs to be less arrogance and better communication.
Less arrogance -> Give me a time machine so I can check the future so I know when stuff will happen
Better communication -> Discord, as stated in the very first post of the thread
The arrogance part would be treating people like they're children and don't understand how things appear in different lightning. Grey can be light and a grey can look very very dark. All I asked is which way the grey on this board was learning(because the picture you provided was incredibly dark) and I get a spiel about how I shouldn't buy the board because you can't photograph it in absolutely perfect conditions to fill my need for an exact representation of it even though I never asked for that.
Post by: BapoDonu on Sun, 18 October 2020, 15:25:49
I think 🤔it's safe to say 💬 📣 this one wasn't planned 📆 📰 well ☝️ and got away from designer 🖍️👶 at some point 👈️
Post by: yui_ on Sun, 18 October 2020, 15:26:02
it's quite simple really... you don't like the product, you dislike the designer or the ic process, just don't buy it. there is no reason for a designer to change a design to fit your desires just because you think that you deserve it, because you don't.
this drama aside, gl w/ gb ai03. the board looks amazing. sad i won't be joining because budget doesn't allow, gl to all of the sensible people in here who actually want it.
This is honestly 😖⚠️ such a huge 📈🍆 disappointment 😔😢 I've been ⏳️ waiting ⏰📆 on this since day 1 👈️ even passing on other ⌨️ boards 🛹 to have a 700💲 price tag🏷️ and only 🥈or grey 🤔 I for sure 💯 there would at least be a black 😋 option 🙏
I think 🤔it's safe to say 💬 📣 this one wasn't planned 📆 📰 well ☝️ and got away from designer 🖍️👶 at some point 👈️
Post by: elmo on Sun, 18 October 2020, 15:26:14
Ya, god forbid I use a photo provided by the designer to judge the project, and god forbid I use the information provided by the streamer who was sent the product to promote said product who said the PCB was final.
What a bunch of completely unreasonable assumptions I've made! I'm clearly a very entitled person for drawing conclusions based on the information that was provided to me by the designer and the person responsible for promoting the product.
You do know that the color of a PCB has absolutely nothing to do with the design of a PCB?
That a PCB can very well be already final and finished design but the final prototype was just made in green because that's actually cheaper than any other PCB color?
Probably not but whatever...
Post by: grimis on Sun, 18 October 2020, 15:30:21
Ya, god forbid I use a photo provided by the designer to judge the project, and god forbid I use the information provided by the streamer who was sent the product to promote said product who said the PCB was final.
What a bunch of completely unreasonable assumptions I've made! I'm clearly a very entitled person for drawing conclusions based on the information that was provided to me by the designer and the person responsible for promoting the product.
You do know that the color of a PCB has absolutely nothing to do with the design of a PCB?
That a PCB can very well be already final and finished design but the final prototype was just made in green because that's actually cheaper than any other PCB color?
Probably not but whatever...
I understand that. The thing is, when the person asked on stream if the PCB was final, it was in the context of the colour.
Post by: elmo on Sun, 18 October 2020, 15:33:47
I understand that. The thing is, when the person asked on stream if the PCB was final, it was in the context of the colour.
Even then. What does it matter?
It's a PCB. You won't see it once it's in the board.
And the color doesn't define how well a PCB is designed.
Post by: tommyhongg on Sun, 18 October 2020, 15:34:51
Post by: grimis on Sun, 18 October 2020, 15:37:00
I understand that. The thing is, when the person asked on stream if the PCB was final, it was in the context of the colour.
Even then. What does it matter?
It's a PCB. You won't see it once it's in the board.
And the color doesn't define how well a PCB is designed.
It matters because as you said, green is cheap and it would be kind of ****ty to get the cheapest option when you are paying for a premium product.
I understand you don't see it once it's in the board. If most people actually felt this way about PCBs though, they would all just be generic green PCBs. They're not though and there is a reason for that, hence my original question about the colour.
edit: I will absolutelyadmit my initial question about the pcb colour way back was snarky and slightly rude, but I think the response to people displaying very very minor criticism is completely over the top.
Post by: BapoDonu on Sun, 18 October 2020, 15:38:56
i am fuming :-X
Post by: elmo on Sun, 18 October 2020, 15:40:20
I understand that. The thing is, when the person asked on stream if the PCB was final, it was in the context of the colour.
Even then. What does it matter?
It's a PCB. You won't see it once it's in the board.
And the color doesn't define how well a PCB is designed.
It matters because as you said, green is cheap and it would be kind of ****ty to get the cheapest option when you are paying for a premium product.
I understand you don't see it once it's in the board. If most people actually felt this way about PCBs though, they would all just be generic green PCBs. They're not though and there is a reason for that, hence my original question about the colour.
It's the cheapest option when doing prototyping with a manufacturer like JLCPCB.
For production runs it doesn't matter because with higher numbers the price per unit for special colors decreases anyways.
Post by: Juggy on Sun, 18 October 2020, 15:40:57
i want my pcb in pink otherwise im out !!! :cool:
i am fuming :-X
I like how it seems remarkable to you that people that pay $750 of their hard earned money on a keyboard are picky. Must be a real epiphany today.
Post by: BapoDonu on Sun, 18 October 2020, 15:42:19
I am actually from the EU so i cant even get the board :blank:i want my pcb in pink otherwise im out !!! :cool:
i am fuming :-X
I like how it seems remarkable to you that people that pay $750 of their hard earned money on a keyboard are picky. Must be a real epiphany today.
Post by: productkun on Sun, 18 October 2020, 15:43:26
Post by: surfmurder on Sun, 18 October 2020, 15:44:04
Post by: elmo on Sun, 18 October 2020, 15:44:21
I am actually from the EU so i cant even get the board :blank:i want my pcb in pink otherwise im out !!! :cool:
i am fuming :-X
I like how it seems remarkable to you that people that pay $750 of their hard earned money on a keyboard are picky. Must be a real epiphany today.
CannonKeys has worldwide shipping.
Post by: brln on Sun, 18 October 2020, 15:45:06
I am actually from the EU so i cant even get the board :blank:i want my pcb in pink otherwise im out !!! :cool:
i am fuming :-X
I like how it seems remarkable to you that people that pay $750 of their hard earned money on a keyboard are picky. Must be a real epiphany today.
CannonKeys has worldwide shipping.
It has no pink pcb.
You heard the man.
Post by: heyimpanda on Sun, 18 October 2020, 15:49:33
Post by: illusixn on Sun, 18 October 2020, 15:55:12
Post by: Myoth on Sun, 18 October 2020, 15:56:33
i want my pcb in pink otherwise im out !!! :cool:
i am fuming :-X
I like how it seems remarkable to you that people that pay $750 of their hard earned money on a keyboard are picky. Must be a real epiphany today.
so much this, on a "custom" keyboard even
it's insane how detached from reality some people are, take a step back and read the IC out loud to someone that isn't in the hobby, see how they react when they learn that an "ultra-high-end" "custom" keyboard has ... no customisability.
Post by: MediocreTurtle on Sun, 18 October 2020, 16:00:01
i want my pcb in pink otherwise im out !!! :cool:
i am fuming :-X
I like how it seems remarkable to you that people that pay $750 of their hard earned money on a keyboard are picky. Must be a real epiphany today.
so much this, on a "custom" keyboard even
it's insane how detached from reality some people are, take a step back and read the IC out loud to someone that isn't in the hobby, see how they react when they learn that an "ultra-high-end" "custom" keyboard has ... no customisability.
How can you even complain about color options when they were TBA until yesterday? It's your own fault that you just assumed that there would be options and then you were let down by your own expectations.
Post by: surfmurder on Sun, 18 October 2020, 16:02:31
i want my pcb in pink otherwise im out !!! :cool:
i am fuming :-X
I like how it seems remarkable to you that people that pay $750 of their hard earned money on a keyboard are picky. Must be a real epiphany today.
so much this, on a "custom" keyboard even
it's insane how detached from reality some people are, take a step back and read the IC out loud to someone that isn't in the hobby, see how they react when they learn that an "ultra-high-end" "custom" keyboard has ... no customisability.
Not every board has to have a myriad of customizable options. This board was designed because ai03 wanted this board. Their vision is specific, and so is the outcome of the boards design. This is not a rare or polarizing circumstance.
Post by: Myoth on Sun, 18 October 2020, 16:05:39
i want my pcb in pink otherwise im out !!! :cool:
i am fuming :-X
I like how it seems remarkable to you that people that pay $750 of their hard earned money on a keyboard are picky. Must be a real epiphany today.
so much this, on a "custom" keyboard even
it's insane how detached from reality some people are, take a step back and read the IC out loud to someone that isn't in the hobby, see how they react when they learn that an "ultra-high-end" "custom" keyboard has ... no customisability.
How can you even complain about color options when they were TBA until yesterday? It's your own fault that you just assumed that there would be options and then you were let down by your own expectations.
I truly don't care about any of the board to be quite honest, it just seems obvious that people were going to complain about the lack of customisability when you hype up a board this much with such buzzwords and offer 2 colours. You reap what you sow.
Post by: Rico on Sun, 18 October 2020, 16:07:59
Grey/Silver goes with nearly all keysets that you may have and is a classy classic.
It may not please everybody (nothing does) but I'm sure it will sell very quickly ;)
Post by: MediocreTurtle on Sun, 18 October 2020, 16:08:24
i want my pcb in pink otherwise im out !!! :cool:
i am fuming :-X
I like how it seems remarkable to you that people that pay $750 of their hard earned money on a keyboard are picky. Must be a real epiphany today.
so much this, on a "custom" keyboard even
it's insane how detached from reality some people are, take a step back and read the IC out loud to someone that isn't in the hobby, see how they react when they learn that an "ultra-high-end" "custom" keyboard has ... no customisability.
How can you even complain about color options when they were TBA until yesterday? It's your own fault that you just assumed that there would be options and then you were let down by your own expectations.
I truly don't care about any of the board to be quite honest, it just seems obvious that people were going to complain about the lack of customisability when you hype up a board this much with such buzzwords and offer 2 colours. You reap what you sow.
Exactly- you reap what you sow. For no reason whatsoever people imagined something and now are disappointed that their fantasies didn't come true. Who's to blame if not they themselves.
Post by: grimis on Sun, 18 October 2020, 16:10:02
i want my pcb in pink otherwise im out !!! :cool:
i am fuming :-X
I like how it seems remarkable to you that people that pay $750 of their hard earned money on a keyboard are picky. Must be a real epiphany today.
so much this, on a "custom" keyboard even
it's insane how detached from reality some people are, take a step back and read the IC out loud to someone that isn't in the hobby, see how they react when they learn that an "ultra-high-end" "custom" keyboard has ... no customisability.
How can you even complain about color options when they were TBA until yesterday? It's your own fault that you just assumed that there would be options and then you were let down by your own expectations.
I truly don't care about any of the board to be quite honest, it just seems obvious that people were going to complain about the lack of customisability when you hype up a board this much with such buzzwords and offer 2 colours. You reap what you sow.
Exactly- you reap what you sow. For no reason whatsoever people imagined something and now are disappointed that their fantasies didn't come true. Who's to blame if not they themselves.
For no reason what so ever? There are proto pics in this very topic from a few months ago of what appears to be a black board. Apparently it's not black, but it's grey. None of this was mention in the post of course.
So ya, no reason what so ever.
Post by: dallman5 on Sun, 18 October 2020, 16:11:18
It was mentioned in the designers discord server which you could have joined and searched through the post history.i want my pcb in pink otherwise im out !!! :cool:
i am fuming :-X
I like how it seems remarkable to you that people that pay $750 of their hard earned money on a keyboard are picky. Must be a real epiphany today.
so much this, on a "custom" keyboard even
it's insane how detached from reality some people are, take a step back and read the IC out loud to someone that isn't in the hobby, see how they react when they learn that an "ultra-high-end" "custom" keyboard has ... no customisability.
How can you even complain about color options when they were TBA until yesterday? It's your own fault that you just assumed that there would be options and then you were let down by your own expectations.
I truly don't care about any of the board to be quite honest, it just seems obvious that people were going to complain about the lack of customisability when you hype up a board this much with such buzzwords and offer 2 colours. You reap what you sow.
Exactly- you reap what you sow. For no reason whatsoever people imagined something and now are disappointed that their fantasies didn't come true. Who's to blame if not they themselves.
For no reason what so ever? There are proto pics in this very topic from a few months ago of what appears to be a black board. Apparently it's not black, but it's grey. None of this was mention in the post of course.
So ya, no reason what so ever.
Post by: Myoth on Sun, 18 October 2020, 16:13:13
i want my pcb in pink otherwise im out !!! :cool:
i am fuming :-X
I like how it seems remarkable to you that people that pay $750 of their hard earned money on a keyboard are picky. Must be a real epiphany today.
so much this, on a "custom" keyboard even
it's insane how detached from reality some people are, take a step back and read the IC out loud to someone that isn't in the hobby, see how they react when they learn that an "ultra-high-end" "custom" keyboard has ... no customisability.
Not every board has to have a myriad of customizable options. This board was designed because ai03 wanted this board. Their vision is specific, and so is the outcome of the boards design. This is not a rare or polarizing circumstance.
Sure, Duck, LZ and whoever else doesn't have boards with 20 colour options, but they also don't usually make group buys with units in the 3 digits, those designers are within a niche in the hobby itself. I'm glad ai03 made it possible to a greater audience to get into the hobby with the previous boards he's made (mainly talking about the kbdfans collabs), but when you have set such a high standard in terms of quantity and customisibility, I think it's expected for the next boards with similar quantities to be met with such expectations as well.
Post by: MediocreTurtle on Sun, 18 October 2020, 16:13:23
i want my pcb in pink otherwise im out !!! :cool:
i am fuming :-X
I like how it seems remarkable to you that people that pay $750 of their hard earned money on a keyboard are picky. Must be a real epiphany today.
so much this, on a "custom" keyboard even
it's insane how detached from reality some people are, take a step back and read the IC out loud to someone that isn't in the hobby, see how they react when they learn that an "ultra-high-end" "custom" keyboard has ... no customisability.
How can you even complain about color options when they were TBA until yesterday? It's your own fault that you just assumed that there would be options and then you were let down by your own expectations.
I truly don't care about any of the board to be quite honest, it just seems obvious that people were going to complain about the lack of customisability when you hype up a board this much with such buzzwords and offer 2 colours. You reap what you sow.
Exactly- you reap what you sow. For no reason whatsoever people imagined something and now are disappointed that their fantasies didn't come true. Who's to blame if not they themselves.
For no reason what so ever? There are proto pics in this very topic from a few months ago of what appears to be a black board. Apparently it's not black, but it's grey. None of this was mention in the post of course.
So ya, no reason what so ever.
Don't play the ignorance card. Since the very start it was clearly stated "Colors: TBA".
There was no info released on the colors other than that till just now.
Post by: grimis on Sun, 18 October 2020, 16:14:53
It was mentioned in the designers discord server which you could have joined and searched through the post history.i want my pcb in pink otherwise im out !!! :cool:
i am fuming :-X
I like how it seems remarkable to you that people that pay $750 of their hard earned money on a keyboard are picky. Must be a real epiphany today.
so much this, on a "custom" keyboard even
it's insane how detached from reality some people are, take a step back and read the IC out loud to someone that isn't in the hobby, see how they react when they learn that an "ultra-high-end" "custom" keyboard has ... no customisability.
How can you even complain about color options when they were TBA until yesterday? It's your own fault that you just assumed that there would be options and then you were let down by your own expectations.
I truly don't care about any of the board to be quite honest, it just seems obvious that people were going to complain about the lack of customisability when you hype up a board this much with such buzzwords and offer 2 colours. You reap what you sow.
Exactly- you reap what you sow. For no reason whatsoever people imagined something and now are disappointed that their fantasies didn't come true. Who's to blame if not they themselves.
For no reason what so ever? There are proto pics in this very topic from a few months ago of what appears to be a black board. Apparently it's not black, but it's grey. None of this was mention in the post of course.
So ya, no reason what so ever.
So pictures are submitted in this topic, but I need to join a discord server and then wade through hundreds of thousands of letters of text in order to find out what I'm even looking at in the topic?
And people get offended when someone says this seems poorly organized....
Post by: MediocreTurtle on Sun, 18 October 2020, 16:17:07
Was the color mentioned in the comment with the pictures? No. Means you thought it was x when you had no info on what it actually was and assumed it as fact. Who's fault is that? Yours.It was mentioned in the designers discord server which you could have joined and searched through the post history.i want my pcb in pink otherwise im out !!! :cool:
i am fuming :-X
I like how it seems remarkable to you that people that pay $750 of their hard earned money on a keyboard are picky. Must be a real epiphany today.
so much this, on a "custom" keyboard even
it's insane how detached from reality some people are, take a step back and read the IC out loud to someone that isn't in the hobby, see how they react when they learn that an "ultra-high-end" "custom" keyboard has ... no customisability.
How can you even complain about color options when they were TBA until yesterday? It's your own fault that you just assumed that there would be options and then you were let down by your own expectations.
I truly don't care about any of the board to be quite honest, it just seems obvious that people were going to complain about the lack of customisability when you hype up a board this much with such buzzwords and offer 2 colours. You reap what you sow.
Exactly- you reap what you sow. For no reason whatsoever people imagined something and now are disappointed that their fantasies didn't come true. Who's to blame if not they themselves.
For no reason what so ever? There are proto pics in this very topic from a few months ago of what appears to be a black board. Apparently it's not black, but it's grey. None of this was mention in the post of course.
So ya, no reason what so ever.
So pictures are submitted in this topic, but I need to join a discord server and then wade through hundreds of thousands of letters of text in order to find out what I'm even looking at in the topic?
And people get offended when someone says this seems poorly organized....
Post by: pngu on Sun, 18 October 2020, 16:17:21
It was mentioned in the designers discord server which you could have joined and searched through the post history.i want my pcb in pink otherwise im out !!! :cool:
i am fuming :-X
I like how it seems remarkable to you that people that pay $750 of their hard earned money on a keyboard are picky. Must be a real epiphany today.
so much this, on a "custom" keyboard even
it's insane how detached from reality some people are, take a step back and read the IC out loud to someone that isn't in the hobby, see how they react when they learn that an "ultra-high-end" "custom" keyboard has ... no customisability.
How can you even complain about color options when they were TBA until yesterday? It's your own fault that you just assumed that there would be options and then you were let down by your own expectations.
I truly don't care about any of the board to be quite honest, it just seems obvious that people were going to complain about the lack of customisability when you hype up a board this much with such buzzwords and offer 2 colours. You reap what you sow.
Exactly- you reap what you sow. For no reason whatsoever people imagined something and now are disappointed that their fantasies didn't come true. Who's to blame if not they themselves.
For no reason what so ever? There are proto pics in this very topic from a few months ago of what appears to be a black board. Apparently it's not black, but it's grey. None of this was mention in the post of course.
So ya, no reason what so ever.
So pictures are submitted in this topic, but I need to join a discord server and then wade through hundreds of thousands of letters of text in order to find out what I'm even looking at in the topic?
And people get offended when someone says this seems poorly organized....
nice
Post by: dallman5 on Sun, 18 October 2020, 16:18:34
Discords search functionality works pretty well, no need to be so dramatic.It was mentioned in the designers discord server which you could have joined and searched through the post history.i want my pcb in pink otherwise im out !!! :cool:
i am fuming :-X
I like how it seems remarkable to you that people that pay $750 of their hard earned money on a keyboard are picky. Must be a real epiphany today.
so much this, on a "custom" keyboard even
it's insane how detached from reality some people are, take a step back and read the IC out loud to someone that isn't in the hobby, see how they react when they learn that an "ultra-high-end" "custom" keyboard has ... no customisability.
How can you even complain about color options when they were TBA until yesterday? It's your own fault that you just assumed that there would be options and then you were let down by your own expectations.
I truly don't care about any of the board to be quite honest, it just seems obvious that people were going to complain about the lack of customisability when you hype up a board this much with such buzzwords and offer 2 colours. You reap what you sow.
Exactly- you reap what you sow. For no reason whatsoever people imagined something and now are disappointed that their fantasies didn't come true. Who's to blame if not they themselves.
For no reason what so ever? There are proto pics in this very topic from a few months ago of what appears to be a black board. Apparently it's not black, but it's grey. None of this was mention in the post of course.
So ya, no reason what so ever.
So pictures are submitted in this topic, but I need to join a discord server and then wade through hundreds of thousands of letters of text in order to find out what I'm even looking at in the topic?
And people get offended when someone says this seems poorly organized....
has: image
in: andromeda
from: ai03
Like so easy.
Post by: tommyhongg on Sun, 18 October 2020, 16:19:00
i want my pcb in pink otherwise im out !!! :cool:
i am fuming :-X
I like how it seems remarkable to you that people that pay $750 of their hard earned money on a keyboard are picky. Must be a real epiphany today.
so much this, on a "custom" keyboard even
it's insane how detached from reality some people are, take a step back and read the IC out loud to someone that isn't in the hobby, see how they react when they learn that an "ultra-high-end" "custom" keyboard has ... no customisability.
How can you even complain about color options when they were TBA until yesterday? It's your own fault that you just assumed that there would be options and then you were let down by your own expectations.
I truly don't care about any of the board to be quite honest, it just seems obvious that people were going to complain about the lack of customisability when you hype up a board this much with such buzzwords and offer 2 colours. You reap what you sow.
Exactly- you reap what you sow. For no reason whatsoever people imagined something and now are disappointed that their fantasies didn't come true. Who's to blame if not they themselves.
For no reason what so ever? There are proto pics in this very topic from a few months ago of what appears to be a black board. Apparently it's not black, but it's grey. None of this was mention in the post of course.
So ya, no reason what so ever.
You just assumed the proto to be black in the first place. So....
Post by: HoodrowThrillson on Sun, 18 October 2020, 16:20:11
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how big can we make this pyramidQuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteIt was mentioned in the designers discord server which you could have joined and searched through the post history.i want my pcb in pink otherwise im out !!! :cool:
i am fuming :-X
I like how it seems remarkable to you that people that pay $750 of their hard earned money on a keyboard are picky. Must be a real epiphany today.
so much this, on a "custom" keyboard even
it's insane how detached from reality some people are, take a step back and read the IC out loud to someone that isn't in the hobby, see how they react when they learn that an "ultra-high-end" "custom" keyboard has ... no customisability.
How can you even complain about color options when they were TBA until yesterday? It's your own fault that you just assumed that there would be options and then you were let down by your own expectations.
I truly don't care about any of the board to be quite honest, it just seems obvious that people were going to complain about the lack of customisability when you hype up a board this much with such buzzwords and offer 2 colours. You reap what you sow.
Exactly- you reap what you sow. For no reason whatsoever people imagined something and now are disappointed that their fantasies didn't come true. Who's to blame if not they themselves.
For no reason what so ever? There are proto pics in this very topic from a few months ago of what appears to be a black board. Apparently it's not black, but it's grey. None of this was mention in the post of course.
So ya, no reason what so ever.
So pictures are submitted in this topic, but I need to join a discord server and then wade through hundreds of thousands of letters of text in order to find out what I'm even looking at in the topic?
And people get offended when someone says this seems poorly organized....
nice
Post by: Myoth on Sun, 18 October 2020, 16:20:48
i want my pcb in pink otherwise im out !!! :cool:
i am fuming :-X
I like how it seems remarkable to you that people that pay $750 of their hard earned money on a keyboard are picky. Must be a real epiphany today.
so much this, on a "custom" keyboard even
it's insane how detached from reality some people are, take a step back and read the IC out loud to someone that isn't in the hobby, see how they react when they learn that an "ultra-high-end" "custom" keyboard has ... no customisability.
How can you even complain about color options when they were TBA until yesterday? It's your own fault that you just assumed that there would be options and then you were let down by your own expectations.
I truly don't care about any of the board to be quite honest, it just seems obvious that people were going to complain about the lack of customisability when you hype up a board this much with such buzzwords and offer 2 colours. You reap what you sow.
Exactly- you reap what you sow. For no reason whatsoever people imagined something and now are disappointed that their fantasies didn't come true. Who's to blame if not they themselves.
not sure if you understood who my "You reap what you sow." was targeted at, but whatever, the only thing to blame are the standards set on the wider market vs. the ones set in a niche keyboard forum : people on GH bought a keyboard that was only visually revealed at post-production (or was it delivery ?), you would try this on kbdfans and you'd be met with a **** tonne of disappointement. This difference is what lead to such a ****show of a thread, make it clear who a board is for, reduce the number of units if you mean to target a niche audience. You'll have a lot more people disappointed at 100 units than you would have at 40...
Post by: BapoDonu on Sun, 18 October 2020, 16:22:42
im not sure but sky is the limitQuotehow big can we make this pyramidQuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteIt was mentioned in the designers discord server which you could have joined and searched through the post history.i want my pcb in pink otherwise im out !!! :cool:
i am fuming :-X
I like how it seems remarkable to you that people that pay $750 of their hard earned money on a keyboard are picky. Must be a real epiphany today.
so much this, on a "custom" keyboard even
it's insane how detached from reality some people are, take a step back and read the IC out loud to someone that isn't in the hobby, see how they react when they learn that an "ultra-high-end" "custom" keyboard has ... no customisability.
How can you even complain about color options when they were TBA until yesterday? It's your own fault that you just assumed that there would be options and then you were let down by your own expectations.
I truly don't care about any of the board to be quite honest, it just seems obvious that people were going to complain about the lack of customisability when you hype up a board this much with such buzzwords and offer 2 colours. You reap what you sow.
Exactly- you reap what you sow. For no reason whatsoever people imagined something and now are disappointed that their fantasies didn't come true. Who's to blame if not they themselves.
For no reason what so ever? There are proto pics in this very topic from a few months ago of what appears to be a black board. Apparently it's not black, but it's grey. None of this was mention in the post of course.
So ya, no reason what so ever.
So pictures are submitted in this topic, but I need to join a discord server and then wade through hundreds of thousands of letters of text in order to find out what I'm even looking at in the topic?
And people get offended when someone says this seems poorly organized....
nice
Post by: krazikake on Sun, 18 October 2020, 16:23:45
Post by: MediocreTurtle on Sun, 18 October 2020, 16:25:37
Seems like you missed the whole point of my comment where I reversed the saying and pointed out that the people who complain are at fault for having expectations for no reason, because details weren't announced other than it would be very expensive.i want my pcb in pink otherwise im out !!! :cool:
i am fuming :-X
I like how it seems remarkable to you that people that pay $750 of their hard earned money on a keyboard are picky. Must be a real epiphany today.
so much this, on a "custom" keyboard even
it's insane how detached from reality some people are, take a step back and read the IC out loud to someone that isn't in the hobby, see how they react when they learn that an "ultra-high-end" "custom" keyboard has ... no customisability.
How can you even complain about color options when they were TBA until yesterday? It's your own fault that you just assumed that there would be options and then you were let down by your own expectations.
I truly don't care about any of the board to be quite honest, it just seems obvious that people were going to complain about the lack of customisability when you hype up a board this much with such buzzwords and offer 2 colours. You reap what you sow.
Exactly- you reap what you sow. For no reason whatsoever people imagined something and now are disappointed that their fantasies didn't come true. Who's to blame if not they themselves.
not sure if you understood who my "You reap what you sow." was targeted at, but whatever, the only thing to blame are the standards set on the wider market vs. the ones set in a niche keyboard forum : people on GH bought a keyboard that was only visually revealed at post-production (or was it delivery ?), you would try this on kbdfans and you'd be met with a **** tonne of disappointement. This difference is what lead to such a ****show of a thread, make it clear who a board is for, reduce the number of units if you mean to target a niche audience. You'll have a lot more people disappointed at 100 units than you would have at 40...
Post by: grimis on Sun, 18 October 2020, 16:29:17
Seems like you missed the whole point of my comment where I reversed the saying and pointed out that the people who complain are at fault for having expectations for no reason, because details weren't announced other than it would be very expensive.i want my pcb in pink otherwise im out !!! :cool:
i am fuming :-X
I like how it seems remarkable to you that people that pay $750 of their hard earned money on a keyboard are picky. Must be a real epiphany today.
so much this, on a "custom" keyboard even
it's insane how detached from reality some people are, take a step back and read the IC out loud to someone that isn't in the hobby, see how they react when they learn that an "ultra-high-end" "custom" keyboard has ... no customisability.
How can you even complain about color options when they were TBA until yesterday? It's your own fault that you just assumed that there would be options and then you were let down by your own expectations.
I truly don't care about any of the board to be quite honest, it just seems obvious that people were going to complain about the lack of customisability when you hype up a board this much with such buzzwords and offer 2 colours. You reap what you sow.
Exactly- you reap what you sow. For no reason whatsoever people imagined something and now are disappointed that their fantasies didn't come true. Who's to blame if not they themselves.
not sure if you understood who my "You reap what you sow." was targeted at, but whatever, the only thing to blame are the standards set on the wider market vs. the ones set in a niche keyboard forum : people on GH bought a keyboard that was only visually revealed at post-production (or was it delivery ?), you would try this on kbdfans and you'd be met with a **** tonne of disappointement. This difference is what lead to such a ****show of a thread, make it clear who a board is for, reduce the number of units if you mean to target a niche audience. You'll have a lot more people disappointed at 100 units than you would have at 40...
Imagine showing what appears to be a black proto type and then saying there was no reason to believe there would be a black version lol
Post by: grimis on Sun, 18 October 2020, 16:30:26
Post by: kaykaybunny on Sun, 18 October 2020, 16:33:44
First thing first, my friends, this keyboard here, is designed by ai03!!! A I 0 3!!! Do you even understand, or try to understand how big the love he got toward mechanical keyboards and how much effort he put in?? If you haven't heard of what had he achieved, you should. If he chose to do something, there are reasons for it.
Second, did you really understand what is a mechanical keyboard community? Do you understand what does it mean by a community? In a community, people here are doing what the love, what they want to do, what they want to share. People want to get joy from this. People achieved something great in his/her own aspect, by his/her own effort, and want to express the success they have, to send out a piece of positivity to whom may walk by. What builds up this community is the love, the passion, and last but not least, the respect. And yet, NOT HATE.
We should not bring any hate to the place. I understand maybe some of you are having a bad day, or just a sudden bad mood. And that is fine. But before you send out a comment, would you like to consider are your words hurting anyone in some way? Would you like to try to apprehend a bit more what already has been told? Would you like to try to process what is the intention of the OP? But still, by any means, a meaningful, constructive comment, should always be welcomed.
I can't afford this keyboard, either. But at my perspective, all I do is to appreciate, to admire, to respect, the beauty inside this keyboard. I beleve ai03 didn't make this keyboard to extract money. I also believe that he is not making this keyboard just to please you, or just to satisfied you. If you don't like it, and you got some improvement ideas, please do express it. However, if what you got is just some meaningless rant, or some vague comment, maybe you should keep it and dont sent it out, because you will be embarassing yourself.
Anyway, I still hope this group buy goes alright, I hope who are getting this keyboard will enjoy it, and I hope yall have a good day.
Post by: surfmurder on Sun, 18 October 2020, 16:34:05
i want my pcb in pink otherwise im out !!! :cool:
i am fuming :-X
I like how it seems remarkable to you that people that pay $750 of their hard earned money on a keyboard are picky. Must be a real epiphany today.
so much this, on a "custom" keyboard even
it's insane how detached from reality some people are, take a step back and read the IC out loud to someone that isn't in the hobby, see how they react when they learn that an "ultra-high-end" "custom" keyboard has ... no customisability.
Not every board has to have a myriad of customizable options. This board was designed because ai03 wanted this board. Their vision is specific, and so is the outcome of the boards design. This is not a rare or polarizing circumstance.
Sure, Duck, LZ and whoever else doesn't have boards with 20 colour options, but they also don't usually make group buys with units in the 3 digits, those designers are within a niche in the hobby itself. I'm glad ai03 made it possible to a greater audience to get into the hobby with the previous boards he's made (mainly talking about the kbdfans collabs), but when you have set such a high standard in terms of quantity and customisibility, I think it's expected for the next boards with similar quantities to be met with such expectations as well.
Sounds like the expectations of yourself and others in this thread are the factor that needs to be checked. What isn't promised isn't offered.
Post by: BapoDonu on Sun, 18 October 2020, 16:35:13
Jeez I actually don't understand where are those hate from... Sorry for ai03...thank you
First thing first, my friends, this keyboard here, is designed by ai03!!! A I 0 3!!! Do you even understand, or try to understand how big the love he got toward mechanical keyboards and how much effort he put in?? If you haven't heard of what had he achieved, you should. If he chose to do something, there are reasons for it.
Second, did you really understand what is a mechanical keyboard community? Do you understand what does it mean by a community? In a community, people here are doing what the love, what they want to do, what they want to share. People want to get joy from this. People achieved something great in his/her own aspect, by his/her own effort, and want to express the success they have, to send out a piece of positivity to whom may walk by. What builds up this community is the love, the passion, and last but not least, the respect. And yet, NOT HATE.
We should not bring any hate to the place. I understand maybe some of you are having a bad day, or just a sudden bad mood. And that is fine. But before you send out a comment, would you like to consider are your words hurting anyone in some way? Would you like to try to apprehend a bit more what already has been told? Would you like to try to process what is the intention of the OP? But still, by any means, a meaningful, constructive comment, should always be welcomed.
I can't afford this keyboard, either. But at my perspective, all I do is to appreciate, to admire, to respect, the beauty inside this keyboard. I beleve ai03 didn't make this keyboard to extract money. I also believe that he is not making this keyboard just to please you, or just to satisfied you. If you don't like it, and you got some improvement ideas, please do express it. However, if what you got is just some meaningless rant, or some vague comment, maybe you should keep it and dont sent it out, because you will be embarassing yourself.
Anyway, I still hope this group buy goes alright, I hope who are getting this keyboard will enjoy it, and I hope yall have a good day.
Post by: GaNeBaL on Sun, 18 October 2020, 16:39:01
Seems like you missed the whole point of my comment where I reversed the saying and pointed out that the people who complain are at fault for having expectations for no reason, because details weren't announced other than it would be very expensive.i want my pcb in pink otherwise im out !!! :cool:
i am fuming :-X
I like how it seems remarkable to you that people that pay $750 of their hard earned money on a keyboard are picky. Must be a real epiphany today.
so much this, on a "custom" keyboard even
it's insane how detached from reality some people are, take a step back and read the IC out loud to someone that isn't in the hobby, see how they react when they learn that an "ultra-high-end" "custom" keyboard has ... no customisability.
How can you even complain about color options when they were TBA until yesterday? It's your own fault that you just assumed that there would be options and then you were let down by your own expectations.
I truly don't care about any of the board to be quite honest, it just seems obvious that people were going to complain about the lack of customisability when you hype up a board this much with such buzzwords and offer 2 colours. You reap what you sow.
Exactly- you reap what you sow. For no reason whatsoever people imagined something and now are disappointed that their fantasies didn't come true. Who's to blame if not they themselves.
not sure if you understood who my "You reap what you sow." was targeted at, but whatever, the only thing to blame are the standards set on the wider market vs. the ones set in a niche keyboard forum : people on GH bought a keyboard that was only visually revealed at post-production (or was it delivery ?), you would try this on kbdfans and you'd be met with a **** tonne of disappointement. This difference is what lead to such a ****show of a thread, make it clear who a board is for, reduce the number of units if you mean to target a niche audience. You'll have a lot more people disappointed at 100 units than you would have at 40...
Imagine showing what appears to be a black proto type and then saying there was no reason to believe there would be a black version lol
the proto pcb was green, i should expect green pcb in production too right
Post by: Myoth on Sun, 18 October 2020, 16:41:51
Seems like you missed the whole point of my comment where I reversed the saying and pointed out that the people who complain are at fault for having expectations for no reason, because details weren't announced other than it would be very expensive.i want my pcb in pink otherwise im out !!! :cool:
i am fuming :-X
I like how it seems remarkable to you that people that pay $750 of their hard earned money on a keyboard are picky. Must be a real epiphany today.
so much this, on a "custom" keyboard even
it's insane how detached from reality some people are, take a step back and read the IC out loud to someone that isn't in the hobby, see how they react when they learn that an "ultra-high-end" "custom" keyboard has ... no customisability.
How can you even complain about color options when they were TBA until yesterday? It's your own fault that you just assumed that there would be options and then you were let down by your own expectations.
I truly don't care about any of the board to be quite honest, it just seems obvious that people were going to complain about the lack of customisability when you hype up a board this much with such buzzwords and offer 2 colours. You reap what you sow.
Exactly- you reap what you sow. For no reason whatsoever people imagined something and now are disappointed that their fantasies didn't come true. Who's to blame if not they themselves.
not sure if you understood who my "You reap what you sow." was targeted at, but whatever, the only thing to blame are the standards set on the wider market vs. the ones set in a niche keyboard forum : people on GH bought a keyboard that was only visually revealed at post-production (or was it delivery ?), you would try this on kbdfans and you'd be met with a **** tonne of disappointement. This difference is what lead to such a ****show of a thread, make it clear who a board is for, reduce the number of units if you mean to target a niche audience. You'll have a lot more people disappointed at 100 units than you would have at 40...
No I get that, but the fact that the IC was vague was what lead people to fantasize, I am 100% sure that this would have not happened if the colours were announced at the very start. If it was "made to be silver with beige keycaps" then why was it not explicitly written instead of "TBA" ? Make it clear from the very start. Like I said, people joined a GB of a board that was not pictured, but all the info, apart from how it looked, was available, exactly the contrary this IC.
Post by: Sanctified on Sun, 18 October 2020, 16:42:57
Seems like you missed the whole point of my comment where I reversed the saying and pointed out that the people who complain are at fault for having expectations for no reason, because details weren't announced other than it would be very expensive.i want my pcb in pink otherwise im out !!! :cool:
i am fuming :-X
I like how it seems remarkable to you that people that pay $750 of their hard earned money on a keyboard are picky. Must be a real epiphany today.
so much this, on a "custom" keyboard even
it's insane how detached from reality some people are, take a step back and read the IC out loud to someone that isn't in the hobby, see how they react when they learn that an "ultra-high-end" "custom" keyboard has ... no customisability.
How can you even complain about color options when they were TBA until yesterday? It's your own fault that you just assumed that there would be options and then you were let down by your own expectations.
I truly don't care about any of the board to be quite honest, it just seems obvious that people were going to complain about the lack of customisability when you hype up a board this much with such buzzwords and offer 2 colours. You reap what you sow.
Exactly- you reap what you sow. For no reason whatsoever people imagined something and now are disappointed that their fantasies didn't come true. Who's to blame if not they themselves.
not sure if you understood who my "You reap what you sow." was targeted at, but whatever, the only thing to blame are the standards set on the wider market vs. the ones set in a niche keyboard forum : people on GH bought a keyboard that was only visually revealed at post-production (or was it delivery ?), you would try this on kbdfans and you'd be met with a **** tonne of disappointement. This difference is what lead to such a ****show of a thread, make it clear who a board is for, reduce the number of units if you mean to target a niche audience. You'll have a lot more people disappointed at 100 units than you would have at 40...
Imagine showing what appears to be a black proto type and then saying there was no reason to believe there would be a black version lol
the proto pcb was green, i should expect green pcb in production too right
NO the Final PCB is black
Post by: MediocreTurtle on Sun, 18 October 2020, 16:43:23
No legit reason, no. Was color mentioned? No. Do we all know that lighting affects photos? Yes. Did you just assume something as fact with no official info stated? Yes.Seems like you missed the whole point of my comment where I reversed the saying and pointed out that the people who complain are at fault for having expectations for no reason, because details weren't announced other than it would be very expensive.i want my pcb in pink otherwise im out !!! :cool:
i am fuming :-X
I like how it seems remarkable to you that people that pay $750 of their hard earned money on a keyboard are picky. Must be a real epiphany today.
so much this, on a "custom" keyboard even
it's insane how detached from reality some people are, take a step back and read the IC out loud to someone that isn't in the hobby, see how they react when they learn that an "ultra-high-end" "custom" keyboard has ... no customisability.
How can you even complain about color options when they were TBA until yesterday? It's your own fault that you just assumed that there would be options and then you were let down by your own expectations.
I truly don't care about any of the board to be quite honest, it just seems obvious that people were going to complain about the lack of customisability when you hype up a board this much with such buzzwords and offer 2 colours. You reap what you sow.
Exactly- you reap what you sow. For no reason whatsoever people imagined something and now are disappointed that their fantasies didn't come true. Who's to blame if not they themselves.
not sure if you understood who my "You reap what you sow." was targeted at, but whatever, the only thing to blame are the standards set on the wider market vs. the ones set in a niche keyboard forum : people on GH bought a keyboard that was only visually revealed at post-production (or was it delivery ?), you would try this on kbdfans and you'd be met with a **** tonne of disappointement. This difference is what lead to such a ****show of a thread, make it clear who a board is for, reduce the number of units if you mean to target a niche audience. You'll have a lot more people disappointed at 100 units than you would have at 40...
Imagine showing what appears to be a black proto type and then saying there was no reason to believe there would be a black version lol
Post by: kaykaybunny on Sun, 18 October 2020, 16:44:39
Jeez I actually don't understand where are those hate from... Sorry for ai03...thank you
First thing first, my friends, this keyboard here, is designed by ai03!!! A I 0 3!!! Do you even understand, or try to understand how big the love he got toward mechanical keyboards and how much effort he put in?? If you haven't heard of what had he achieved, you should. If he chose to do something, there are reasons for it.
Second, did you really understand what is a mechanical keyboard community? Do you understand what does it mean by a community? In a community, people here are doing what the love, what they want to do, what they want to share. People want to get joy from this. People achieved something great in his/her own aspect, by his/her own effort, and want to express the success they have, to send out a piece of positivity to whom may walk by. What builds up this community is the love, the passion, and last but not least, the respect. And yet, NOT HATE.
We should not bring any hate to the place. I understand maybe some of you are having a bad day, or just a sudden bad mood. And that is fine. But before you send out a comment, would you like to consider are your words hurting anyone in some way? Would you like to try to apprehend a bit more what already has been told? Would you like to try to process what is the intention of the OP? But still, by any means, a meaningful, constructive comment, should always be welcomed.
I can't afford this keyboard, either. But at my perspective, all I do is to appreciate, to admire, to respect, the beauty inside this keyboard. I beleve ai03 didn't make this keyboard to extract money. I also believe that he is not making this keyboard just to please you, or just to satisfied you. If you don't like it, and you got some improvement ideas, please do express it. However, if what you got is just some meaningless rant, or some vague comment, maybe you should keep it and dont sent it out, because you will be embarassing yourself.
Anyway, I still hope this group buy goes alright, I hope who are getting this keyboard will enjoy it, and I hope yall have a good day.
❤ u're welcome
Post by: dededecline on Sun, 18 October 2020, 16:45:10
Seems like you missed the whole point of my comment where I reversed the saying and pointed out that the people who complain are at fault for having expectations for no reason, because details weren't announced other than it would be very expensive.i want my pcb in pink otherwise im out !!! :cool:
i am fuming :-X
I like how it seems remarkable to you that people that pay $750 of their hard earned money on a keyboard are picky. Must be a real epiphany today.
so much this, on a "custom" keyboard even
it's insane how detached from reality some people are, take a step back and read the IC out loud to someone that isn't in the hobby, see how they react when they learn that an "ultra-high-end" "custom" keyboard has ... no customisability.
How can you even complain about color options when they were TBA until yesterday? It's your own fault that you just assumed that there would be options and then you were let down by your own expectations.
I truly don't care about any of the board to be quite honest, it just seems obvious that people were going to complain about the lack of customisability when you hype up a board this much with such buzzwords and offer 2 colours. You reap what you sow.
Exactly- you reap what you sow. For no reason whatsoever people imagined something and now are disappointed that their fantasies didn't come true. Who's to blame if not they themselves.
not sure if you understood who my "You reap what you sow." was targeted at, but whatever, the only thing to blame are the standards set on the wider market vs. the ones set in a niche keyboard forum : people on GH bought a keyboard that was only visually revealed at post-production (or was it delivery ?), you would try this on kbdfans and you'd be met with a **** tonne of disappointement. This difference is what lead to such a ****show of a thread, make it clear who a board is for, reduce the number of units if you mean to target a niche audience. You'll have a lot more people disappointed at 100 units than you would have at 40...
No I get that, but the fact that the IC was vague was what lead people to fantasize, I am 100% sure that this would have not happened if the colours were announced at the very start. If it was "made to be silver with beige keycaps" then why was it not explicitly written instead of "TBA" ? Make it clear from the very start. Like I said, people joined a GB of a board that was not pictured, but all the info, apart from how it looked, was available, exactly the contrary this IC.
TBA doesn't mean "I'm hiding this info for hype"
TBA means "I haven't finalized this detail yet"
If you went wild in your fantasies about what TBA meant, that's on you not ai03
Post by: pngu on Sun, 18 October 2020, 16:45:34
In a community, people here are doing what the love, what they want to do, what they want to share. People want to get joy from this. People achieved something great in his/her own aspect, by his/her own effort, and want to express the success they have, to send out a piece of positivity to whom may walk by. What builds up this community is the love, the passion, and last but not least, the respect.
Thank you.
Post by: grimis on Sun, 18 October 2020, 16:45:42
No legit reason, no. Was color mentioned? No. Do we all know that lighting affects photos? Yes. Did you just assume something as fact with no official info stated? Yes.Seems like you missed the whole point of my comment where I reversed the saying and pointed out that the people who complain are at fault for having expectations for no reason, because details weren't announced other than it would be very expensive.i want my pcb in pink otherwise im out !!! :cool:
i am fuming :-X
I like how it seems remarkable to you that people that pay $750 of their hard earned money on a keyboard are picky. Must be a real epiphany today.
so much this, on a "custom" keyboard even
it's insane how detached from reality some people are, take a step back and read the IC out loud to someone that isn't in the hobby, see how they react when they learn that an "ultra-high-end" "custom" keyboard has ... no customisability.
How can you even complain about color options when they were TBA until yesterday? It's your own fault that you just assumed that there would be options and then you were let down by your own expectations.
I truly don't care about any of the board to be quite honest, it just seems obvious that people were going to complain about the lack of customisability when you hype up a board this much with such buzzwords and offer 2 colours. You reap what you sow.
Exactly- you reap what you sow. For no reason whatsoever people imagined something and now are disappointed that their fantasies didn't come true. Who's to blame if not they themselves.
not sure if you understood who my "You reap what you sow." was targeted at, but whatever, the only thing to blame are the standards set on the wider market vs. the ones set in a niche keyboard forum : people on GH bought a keyboard that was only visually revealed at post-production (or was it delivery ?), you would try this on kbdfans and you'd be met with a **** tonne of disappointement. This difference is what lead to such a ****show of a thread, make it clear who a board is for, reduce the number of units if you mean to target a niche audience. You'll have a lot more people disappointed at 100 units than you would have at 40...
Imagine showing what appears to be a black proto type and then saying there was no reason to believe there would be a black version lol
Where did I say anything about assuming as a fact? You said there is no reason to believe something. I said there is based on what was provided. I enver said it was a guarantee or a promise. But your claim that there was absoultely no reason to believe there would be a black version is ridiculous.
I mean, the fact that literally every keyboard that comes out these days offers black as an option is enough reason to believe there would be a black version lol
Post by: Myoth on Sun, 18 October 2020, 16:47:07
i want my pcb in pink otherwise im out !!! :cool:
i am fuming :-X
I like how it seems remarkable to you that people that pay $750 of their hard earned money on a keyboard are picky. Must be a real epiphany today.
so much this, on a "custom" keyboard even
it's insane how detached from reality some people are, take a step back and read the IC out loud to someone that isn't in the hobby, see how they react when they learn that an "ultra-high-end" "custom" keyboard has ... no customisability.
Not every board has to have a myriad of customizable options. This board was designed because ai03 wanted this board. Their vision is specific, and so is the outcome of the boards design. This is not a rare or polarizing circumstance.
Sure, Duck, LZ and whoever else doesn't have boards with 20 colour options, but they also don't usually make group buys with units in the 3 digits, those designers are within a niche in the hobby itself. I'm glad ai03 made it possible to a greater audience to get into the hobby with the previous boards he's made (mainly talking about the kbdfans collabs), but when you have set such a high standard in terms of quantity and customisibility, I think it's expected for the next boards with similar quantities to be met with such expectations as well.
Sounds like the expectations of yourself and others in this thread are the factor that needs to be checked. What isn't promised isn't offered.
like I said, I'm not interested in the board, I'm just saying this was expected
Post by: Sanctified on Sun, 18 October 2020, 16:47:52
No legit reason, no. Was color mentioned? No. Do we all know that lighting affects photos? Yes. Did you just assume something as fact with no official info stated? Yes.Seems like you missed the whole point of my comment where I reversed the saying and pointed out that the people who complain are at fault for having expectations for no reason, because details weren't announced other than it would be very expensive.i want my pcb in pink otherwise im out !!! :cool:
i am fuming :-X
I like how it seems remarkable to you that people that pay $750 of their hard earned money on a keyboard are picky. Must be a real epiphany today.
so much this, on a "custom" keyboard even
it's insane how detached from reality some people are, take a step back and read the IC out loud to someone that isn't in the hobby, see how they react when they learn that an "ultra-high-end" "custom" keyboard has ... no customisability.
How can you even complain about color options when they were TBA until yesterday? It's your own fault that you just assumed that there would be options and then you were let down by your own expectations.
I truly don't care about any of the board to be quite honest, it just seems obvious that people were going to complain about the lack of customisability when you hype up a board this much with such buzzwords and offer 2 colours. You reap what you sow.
Exactly- you reap what you sow. For no reason whatsoever people imagined something and now are disappointed that their fantasies didn't come true. Who's to blame if not they themselves.
not sure if you understood who my "You reap what you sow." was targeted at, but whatever, the only thing to blame are the standards set on the wider market vs. the ones set in a niche keyboard forum : people on GH bought a keyboard that was only visually revealed at post-production (or was it delivery ?), you would try this on kbdfans and you'd be met with a **** tonne of disappointement. This difference is what lead to such a ****show of a thread, make it clear who a board is for, reduce the number of units if you mean to target a niche audience. You'll have a lot more people disappointed at 100 units than you would have at 40...
Imagine showing what appears to be a black proto type and then saying there was no reason to believe there would be a black version lol
Where did I say anything about assuming as a fact? You said there is no reason to believe something. I said there is based on what was provided. I enver said it was a guarantee or a promise. But your claim that there was absoultely no reason to believe there would be a black version is ridiculous.
I mean, the fact that literally every keyboard that comes out these days offers black as an option is enough reason to believe there would be a black version lol
Youre free to believe whatever you want, you can't blame the designer for not including it if you're just speculating anyway
Post by: GaNeBaL on Sun, 18 October 2020, 16:48:31
No legit reason, no. Was color mentioned? No. Do we all know that lighting affects photos? Yes. Did you just assume something as fact with no official info stated? Yes.Seems like you missed the whole point of my comment where I reversed the saying and pointed out that the people who complain are at fault for having expectations for no reason, because details weren't announced other than it would be very expensive.i want my pcb in pink otherwise im out !!! :cool:
i am fuming :-X
I like how it seems remarkable to you that people that pay $750 of their hard earned money on a keyboard are picky. Must be a real epiphany today.
so much this, on a "custom" keyboard even
it's insane how detached from reality some people are, take a step back and read the IC out loud to someone that isn't in the hobby, see how they react when they learn that an "ultra-high-end" "custom" keyboard has ... no customisability.
How can you even complain about color options when they were TBA until yesterday? It's your own fault that you just assumed that there would be options and then you were let down by your own expectations.
I truly don't care about any of the board to be quite honest, it just seems obvious that people were going to complain about the lack of customisability when you hype up a board this much with such buzzwords and offer 2 colours. You reap what you sow.
Exactly- you reap what you sow. For no reason whatsoever people imagined something and now are disappointed that their fantasies didn't come true. Who's to blame if not they themselves.
not sure if you understood who my "You reap what you sow." was targeted at, but whatever, the only thing to blame are the standards set on the wider market vs. the ones set in a niche keyboard forum : people on GH bought a keyboard that was only visually revealed at post-production (or was it delivery ?), you would try this on kbdfans and you'd be met with a **** tonne of disappointement. This difference is what lead to such a ****show of a thread, make it clear who a board is for, reduce the number of units if you mean to target a niche audience. You'll have a lot more people disappointed at 100 units than you would have at 40...
Imagine showing what appears to be a black proto type and then saying there was no reason to believe there would be a black version lol
Where did I say anything about assuming as a fact? You said there is no reason to believe something. I said there is based on what was provided. I enver said it was a guarantee or a promise. But your claim that there was absoultely no reason to believe there would be a black version is ridiculous.
I mean, the fact that literally every keyboard that comes out these days offers black as an option is enough reason to believe there would be a black version lol
when you assume you make an ass out of u and me
Post by: grimis on Sun, 18 October 2020, 16:49:17
No legit reason, no. Was color mentioned? No. Do we all know that lighting affects photos? Yes. Did you just assume something as fact with no official info stated? Yes.Seems like you missed the whole point of my comment where I reversed the saying and pointed out that the people who complain are at fault for having expectations for no reason, because details weren't announced other than it would be very expensive.i want my pcb in pink otherwise im out !!! :cool:
i am fuming :-X
I like how it seems remarkable to you that people that pay $750 of their hard earned money on a keyboard are picky. Must be a real epiphany today.
so much this, on a "custom" keyboard even
it's insane how detached from reality some people are, take a step back and read the IC out loud to someone that isn't in the hobby, see how they react when they learn that an "ultra-high-end" "custom" keyboard has ... no customisability.
How can you even complain about color options when they were TBA until yesterday? It's your own fault that you just assumed that there would be options and then you were let down by your own expectations.
I truly don't care about any of the board to be quite honest, it just seems obvious that people were going to complain about the lack of customisability when you hype up a board this much with such buzzwords and offer 2 colours. You reap what you sow.
Exactly- you reap what you sow. For no reason whatsoever people imagined something and now are disappointed that their fantasies didn't come true. Who's to blame if not they themselves.
not sure if you understood who my "You reap what you sow." was targeted at, but whatever, the only thing to blame are the standards set on the wider market vs. the ones set in a niche keyboard forum : people on GH bought a keyboard that was only visually revealed at post-production (or was it delivery ?), you would try this on kbdfans and you'd be met with a **** tonne of disappointement. This difference is what lead to such a ****show of a thread, make it clear who a board is for, reduce the number of units if you mean to target a niche audience. You'll have a lot more people disappointed at 100 units than you would have at 40...
Imagine showing what appears to be a black proto type and then saying there was no reason to believe there would be a black version lol
Where did I say anything about assuming as a fact? You said there is no reason to believe something. I said there is based on what was provided. I enver said it was a guarantee or a promise. But your claim that there was absoultely no reason to believe there would be a black version is ridiculous.
I mean, the fact that literally every keyboard that comes out these days offers black as an option is enough reason to believe there would be a black version lol
Youre free to believe whatever you want, you can't blame the designer for not including it if you're just speculating anyway
If the designer provides a picture of what looks like a black board but is really just a poorly lit grey board and makes no mention of it, it's also his fault.
Post by: MediocreTurtle on Sun, 18 October 2020, 16:50:10
Again, no reason. You thought up something. Colors weren't announced, specifically mentioned as "to be announced" in fact, to repeat myself you imagined something and then complain that your fantasies didn't come true.No legit reason, no. Was color mentioned? No. Do we all know that lighting affects photos? Yes. Did you just assume something as fact with no official info stated? Yes.Seems like you missed the whole point of my comment where I reversed the saying and pointed out that the people who complain are at fault for having expectations for no reason, because details weren't announced other than it would be very expensive.i want my pcb in pink otherwise im out !!! :cool:
i am fuming :-X
I like how it seems remarkable to you that people that pay $750 of their hard earned money on a keyboard are picky. Must be a real epiphany today.
so much this, on a "custom" keyboard even
it's insane how detached from reality some people are, take a step back and read the IC out loud to someone that isn't in the hobby, see how they react when they learn that an "ultra-high-end" "custom" keyboard has ... no customisability.
How can you even complain about color options when they were TBA until yesterday? It's your own fault that you just assumed that there would be options and then you were let down by your own expectations.
I truly don't care about any of the board to be quite honest, it just seems obvious that people were going to complain about the lack of customisability when you hype up a board this much with such buzzwords and offer 2 colours. You reap what you sow.
Exactly- you reap what you sow. For no reason whatsoever people imagined something and now are disappointed that their fantasies didn't come true. Who's to blame if not they themselves.
not sure if you understood who my "You reap what you sow." was targeted at, but whatever, the only thing to blame are the standards set on the wider market vs. the ones set in a niche keyboard forum : people on GH bought a keyboard that was only visually revealed at post-production (or was it delivery ?), you would try this on kbdfans and you'd be met with a **** tonne of disappointement. This difference is what lead to such a ****show of a thread, make it clear who a board is for, reduce the number of units if you mean to target a niche audience. You'll have a lot more people disappointed at 100 units than you would have at 40...
Imagine showing what appears to be a black proto type and then saying there was no reason to believe there would be a black version lol
Where did I say anything about assuming as a fact? You said there is no reason to believe something. I said there is based on what was provided. I enver said it was a guarantee or a promise. But your claim that there was absoultely no reason to believe there would be a black version is ridiculous.
I mean, the fact that literally every keyboard that comes out these days offers black as an option is enough reason to believe there would be a black version lol
Post by: grimis on Sun, 18 October 2020, 16:51:07
Again, no reason. You thought up something. Colors weren't announced, specifically mentioned as "to be announced" in fact, to repeat myself you imagined something and then complain that your fantasies didn't come true.No legit reason, no. Was color mentioned? No. Do we all know that lighting affects photos? Yes. Did you just assume something as fact with no official info stated? Yes.Seems like you missed the whole point of my comment where I reversed the saying and pointed out that the people who complain are at fault for having expectations for no reason, because details weren't announced other than it would be very expensive.i want my pcb in pink otherwise im out !!! :cool:
i am fuming :-X
I like how it seems remarkable to you that people that pay $750 of their hard earned money on a keyboard are picky. Must be a real epiphany today.
so much this, on a "custom" keyboard even
it's insane how detached from reality some people are, take a step back and read the IC out loud to someone that isn't in the hobby, see how they react when they learn that an "ultra-high-end" "custom" keyboard has ... no customisability.
How can you even complain about color options when they were TBA until yesterday? It's your own fault that you just assumed that there would be options and then you were let down by your own expectations.
I truly don't care about any of the board to be quite honest, it just seems obvious that people were going to complain about the lack of customisability when you hype up a board this much with such buzzwords and offer 2 colours. You reap what you sow.
Exactly- you reap what you sow. For no reason whatsoever people imagined something and now are disappointed that their fantasies didn't come true. Who's to blame if not they themselves.
not sure if you understood who my "You reap what you sow." was targeted at, but whatever, the only thing to blame are the standards set on the wider market vs. the ones set in a niche keyboard forum : people on GH bought a keyboard that was only visually revealed at post-production (or was it delivery ?), you would try this on kbdfans and you'd be met with a **** tonne of disappointement. This difference is what lead to such a ****show of a thread, make it clear who a board is for, reduce the number of units if you mean to target a niche audience. You'll have a lot more people disappointed at 100 units than you would have at 40...
Imagine showing what appears to be a black proto type and then saying there was no reason to believe there would be a black version lol
Where did I say anything about assuming as a fact? You said there is no reason to believe something. I said there is based on what was provided. I enver said it was a guarantee or a promise. But your claim that there was absoultely no reason to believe there would be a black version is ridiculous.
I mean, the fact that literally every keyboard that comes out these days offers black as an option is enough reason to believe there would be a black version lol
I actually didn't complain about the colours at all.
I didn't imagine anything. I looked at a photo of a black keyboard provided by the designer.
Post by: Myoth on Sun, 18 October 2020, 16:51:33
Seems like you missed the whole point of my comment where I reversed the saying and pointed out that the people who complain are at fault for having expectations for no reason, because details weren't announced other than it would be very expensive.i want my pcb in pink otherwise im out !!! :cool:
i am fuming :-X
I like how it seems remarkable to you that people that pay $750 of their hard earned money on a keyboard are picky. Must be a real epiphany today.
so much this, on a "custom" keyboard even
it's insane how detached from reality some people are, take a step back and read the IC out loud to someone that isn't in the hobby, see how they react when they learn that an "ultra-high-end" "custom" keyboard has ... no customisability.
How can you even complain about color options when they were TBA until yesterday? It's your own fault that you just assumed that there would be options and then you were let down by your own expectations.
I truly don't care about any of the board to be quite honest, it just seems obvious that people were going to complain about the lack of customisability when you hype up a board this much with such buzzwords and offer 2 colours. You reap what you sow.
Exactly- you reap what you sow. For no reason whatsoever people imagined something and now are disappointed that their fantasies didn't come true. Who's to blame if not they themselves.
not sure if you understood who my "You reap what you sow." was targeted at, but whatever, the only thing to blame are the standards set on the wider market vs. the ones set in a niche keyboard forum : people on GH bought a keyboard that was only visually revealed at post-production (or was it delivery ?), you would try this on kbdfans and you'd be met with a **** tonne of disappointement. This difference is what lead to such a ****show of a thread, make it clear who a board is for, reduce the number of units if you mean to target a niche audience. You'll have a lot more people disappointed at 100 units than you would have at 40...
No I get that, but the fact that the IC was vague was what lead people to fantasize, I am 100% sure that this would have not happened if the colours were announced at the very start. If it was "made to be silver with beige keycaps" then why was it not explicitly written instead of "TBA" ? Make it clear from the very start. Like I said, people joined a GB of a board that was not pictured, but all the info, apart from how it looked, was available, exactly the contrary this IC.
TBA doesn't mean "I'm hiding this info for hype"
TBA means "I haven't finalized this detail yet"
If you went wild in your fantasies about what TBA meant, that's on you not ai03
I'm not blaming anyone, I'm just saying if you hype something up, once everything is set in stone, you're going to get disappointement lol
Post by: ai03 on Sun, 18 October 2020, 16:52:26
Post by: whykayallday on Sun, 18 October 2020, 16:52:50
No legit reason, no. Was color mentioned? No. Do we all know that lighting affects photos? Yes. Did you just assume something as fact with no official info stated? Yes.Seems like you missed the whole point of my comment where I reversed the saying and pointed out that the people who complain are at fault for having expectations for no reason, because details weren't announced other than it would be very expensive.i want my pcb in pink otherwise im out !!! :cool:
i am fuming :-X
I like how it seems remarkable to you that people that pay $750 of their hard earned money on a keyboard are picky. Must be a real epiphany today.
so much this, on a "custom" keyboard even
it's insane how detached from reality some people are, take a step back and read the IC out loud to someone that isn't in the hobby, see how they react when they learn that an "ultra-high-end" "custom" keyboard has ... no customisability.
How can you even complain about color options when they were TBA until yesterday? It's your own fault that you just assumed that there would be options and then you were let down by your own expectations.
I truly don't care about any of the board to be quite honest, it just seems obvious that people were going to complain about the lack of customisability when you hype up a board this much with such buzzwords and offer 2 colours. You reap what you sow.
Exactly- you reap what you sow. For no reason whatsoever people imagined something and now are disappointed that their fantasies didn't come true. Who's to blame if not they themselves.
not sure if you understood who my "You reap what you sow." was targeted at, but whatever, the only thing to blame are the standards set on the wider market vs. the ones set in a niche keyboard forum : people on GH bought a keyboard that was only visually revealed at post-production (or was it delivery ?), you would try this on kbdfans and you'd be met with a **** tonne of disappointement. This difference is what lead to such a ****show of a thread, make it clear who a board is for, reduce the number of units if you mean to target a niche audience. You'll have a lot more people disappointed at 100 units than you would have at 40...
Imagine showing what appears to be a black proto type and then saying there was no reason to believe there would be a black version lol
Where did I say anything about assuming as a fact? You said there is no reason to believe something. I said there is based on what was provided. I enver said it was a guarantee or a promise. But your claim that there was absoultely no reason to believe there would be a black version is ridiculous.
I mean, the fact that literally every keyboard that comes out these days offers black as an option is enough reason to believe there would be a black version lol
Youre free to believe whatever you want, you can't blame the designer for not including it if you're just speculating anyway
If the designer provides a picture of what looks like a black board but is really just a poorly lit grey board and makes no mention of it, it's also his fault.
"you're not giving me what I want waaaaaaaaaaaaaaa"
Post by: grimis on Sun, 18 October 2020, 16:53:27
No legit reason, no. Was color mentioned? No. Do we all know that lighting affects photos? Yes. Did you just assume something as fact with no official info stated? Yes.Seems like you missed the whole point of my comment where I reversed the saying and pointed out that the people who complain are at fault for having expectations for no reason, because details weren't announced other than it would be very expensive.i want my pcb in pink otherwise im out !!! :cool:
i am fuming :-X
I like how it seems remarkable to you that people that pay $750 of their hard earned money on a keyboard are picky. Must be a real epiphany today.
so much this, on a "custom" keyboard even
it's insane how detached from reality some people are, take a step back and read the IC out loud to someone that isn't in the hobby, see how they react when they learn that an "ultra-high-end" "custom" keyboard has ... no customisability.
How can you even complain about color options when they were TBA until yesterday? It's your own fault that you just assumed that there would be options and then you were let down by your own expectations.
I truly don't care about any of the board to be quite honest, it just seems obvious that people were going to complain about the lack of customisability when you hype up a board this much with such buzzwords and offer 2 colours. You reap what you sow.
Exactly- you reap what you sow. For no reason whatsoever people imagined something and now are disappointed that their fantasies didn't come true. Who's to blame if not they themselves.
not sure if you understood who my "You reap what you sow." was targeted at, but whatever, the only thing to blame are the standards set on the wider market vs. the ones set in a niche keyboard forum : people on GH bought a keyboard that was only visually revealed at post-production (or was it delivery ?), you would try this on kbdfans and you'd be met with a **** tonne of disappointement. This difference is what lead to such a ****show of a thread, make it clear who a board is for, reduce the number of units if you mean to target a niche audience. You'll have a lot more people disappointed at 100 units than you would have at 40...
Imagine showing what appears to be a black proto type and then saying there was no reason to believe there would be a black version lol
Where did I say anything about assuming as a fact? You said there is no reason to believe something. I said there is based on what was provided. I enver said it was a guarantee or a promise. But your claim that there was absoultely no reason to believe there would be a black version is ridiculous.
I mean, the fact that literally every keyboard that comes out these days offers black as an option is enough reason to believe there would be a black version lol
Youre free to believe whatever you want, you can't blame the designer for not including it if you're just speculating anyway
If the designer provides a picture of what looks like a black board but is really just a poorly lit grey board and makes no mention of it, it's also his fault.
"you're not giving me what I want waaaaaaaaaaaaaaa"
"I'm a fanboy and can't handle criticism waaaaaah"
Post by: grimis on Sun, 18 October 2020, 16:54:33
Imagine keeping this thread so active that it gets pinned at top slot of IC forum for hours upon hours...
Imagine having this thread blow up to this degree over literally 2 people expressing mild criticism towards a group buy lol
Post by: trg1234 on Sun, 18 October 2020, 16:56:15
Post by: tommyhongg on Sun, 18 October 2020, 16:56:57
Post by: Zeelobby on Sun, 18 October 2020, 16:59:55
I don't want to ruin this fantasy you created, and if you'd taken the time to learn about the hobby you'd probably know this. But there are many times protos are ordered in colors not available during the GB. It's pretty common. Many times red is used for influencer proto or first round builds.i want my pcb in pink otherwise im out !!! :cool:
i am fuming :-X
I like how it seems remarkable to you that people that pay $750 of their hard earned money on a keyboard are picky. Must be a real epiphany today.
so much this, on a "custom" keyboard even
it's insane how detached from reality some people are, take a step back and read the IC out loud to someone that isn't in the hobby, see how they react when they learn that an "ultra-high-end" "custom" keyboard has ... no customisability.
How can you even complain about color options when they were TBA until yesterday? It's your own fault that you just assumed that there would be options and then you were let down by your own expectations.
I truly don't care about any of the board to be quite honest, it just seems obvious that people were going to complain about the lack of customisability when you hype up a board this much with such buzzwords and offer 2 colours. You reap what you sow.
Exactly- you reap what you sow. For no reason whatsoever people imagined something and now are disappointed that their fantasies didn't come true. Who's to blame if not they themselves.
For no reason what so ever? There are proto pics in this very topic from a few months ago of what appears to be a black board. Apparently it's not black, but it's grey. None of this was mention in the post of course.
So ya, no reason what so ever.
Post by: BapoDonu on Sun, 18 October 2020, 17:00:31
:blank:No legit reason, no. Was color mentioned? No. Do we all know that lighting affects photos? Yes. Did you just assume something as fact with no official info stated? Yes.Seems like you missed the whole point of my comment where I reversed the saying and pointed out that the people who complain are at fault for having expectations for no reason, because details weren't announced other than it would be very expensive.i want my pcb in pink otherwise im out !!! :cool:
i am fuming :-X
I like how it seems remarkable to you that people that pay $750 of their hard earned money on a keyboard are picky. Must be a real epiphany today.
so much this, on a "custom" keyboard even
it's insane how detached from reality some people are, take a step back and read the IC out loud to someone that isn't in the hobby, see how they react when they learn that an "ultra-high-end" "custom" keyboard has ... no customisability.
How can you even complain about color options when they were TBA until yesterday? It's your own fault that you just assumed that there would be options and then you were let down by your own expectations.
I truly don't care about any of the board to be quite honest, it just seems obvious that people were going to complain about the lack of customisability when you hype up a board this much with such buzzwords and offer 2 colours. You reap what you sow.
Exactly- you reap what you sow. For no reason whatsoever people imagined something and now are disappointed that their fantasies didn't come true. Who's to blame if not they themselves.
not sure if you understood who my "You reap what you sow." was targeted at, but whatever, the only thing to blame are the standards set on the wider market vs. the ones set in a niche keyboard forum : people on GH bought a keyboard that was only visually revealed at post-production (or was it delivery ?), you would try this on kbdfans and you'd be met with a **** tonne of disappointement. This difference is what lead to such a ****show of a thread, make it clear who a board is for, reduce the number of units if you mean to target a niche audience. You'll have a lot more people disappointed at 100 units than you would have at 40...
Imagine showing what appears to be a black proto type and then saying there was no reason to believe there would be a black version lol
Where did I say anything about assuming as a fact? You said there is no reason to believe something. I said there is based on what was provided. I enver said it was a guarantee or a promise. But your claim that there was absoultely no reason to believe there would be a black version is ridiculous.
I mean, the fact that literally every keyboard that comes out these days offers black as an option is enough reason to believe there would be a black version lol
Youre free to believe whatever you want, you can't blame the designer for not including it if you're just speculating anyway
If the designer provides a picture of what looks like a black board but is really just a poorly lit grey board and makes no mention of it, it's also his fault.
"you're not giving me what I want waaaaaaaaaaaaaaa"
"I'm a fanboy and can't handle criticism waaaaaah"
Post by: elmo on Sun, 18 October 2020, 17:00:41
You can't expect kids that are completely new to this hobby to understand this...I don't want to ruin this fantasy you created, and if you'd taken the time to learn about the hobby you'd probably know this. But there are many times protos are ordered in colors not available during the GB. It's pretty common. Many times red is used for influencer proto or first round builds.i want my pcb in pink otherwise im out !!! :cool:
i am fuming :-X
I like how it seems remarkable to you that people that pay $750 of their hard earned money on a keyboard are picky. Must be a real epiphany today.
so much this, on a "custom" keyboard even
it's insane how detached from reality some people are, take a step back and read the IC out loud to someone that isn't in the hobby, see how they react when they learn that an "ultra-high-end" "custom" keyboard has ... no customisability.
How can you even complain about color options when they were TBA until yesterday? It's your own fault that you just assumed that there would be options and then you were let down by your own expectations.
I truly don't care about any of the board to be quite honest, it just seems obvious that people were going to complain about the lack of customisability when you hype up a board this much with such buzzwords and offer 2 colours. You reap what you sow.
Exactly- you reap what you sow. For no reason whatsoever people imagined something and now are disappointed that their fantasies didn't come true. Who's to blame if not they themselves.
For no reason what so ever? There are proto pics in this very topic from a few months ago of what appears to be a black board. Apparently it's not black, but it's grey. None of this was mention in the post of course.
So ya, no reason what so ever.
Post by: mysticworks on Sun, 18 October 2020, 17:01:56
Post by: tommyhongg on Sun, 18 October 2020, 17:03:44
what am i reading
GH thread of the year
Post by: bball2 on Sun, 18 October 2020, 17:07:41
I've really liked using my polaris keyboard so far, ai03 designs a really nice board!
Post by: ttom on Sun, 18 October 2020, 17:10:16
Post by: grimis on Sun, 18 October 2020, 17:10:29
I don't want to ruin this fantasy you created, and if you'd taken the time to learn about the hobby you'd probably know this. But there are many times protos are ordered in colors not available during the GB. It's pretty common. Many times red is used for influencer proto or first round builds.i want my pcb in pink otherwise im out !!! :cool:
i am fuming :-X
I like how it seems remarkable to you that people that pay $750 of their hard earned money on a keyboard are picky. Must be a real epiphany today.
so much this, on a "custom" keyboard even
it's insane how detached from reality some people are, take a step back and read the IC out loud to someone that isn't in the hobby, see how they react when they learn that an "ultra-high-end" "custom" keyboard has ... no customisability.
How can you even complain about color options when they were TBA until yesterday? It's your own fault that you just assumed that there would be options and then you were let down by your own expectations.
I truly don't care about any of the board to be quite honest, it just seems obvious that people were going to complain about the lack of customisability when you hype up a board this much with such buzzwords and offer 2 colours. You reap what you sow.
Exactly- you reap what you sow. For no reason whatsoever people imagined something and now are disappointed that their fantasies didn't come true. Who's to blame if not they themselves.
For no reason what so ever? There are proto pics in this very topic from a few months ago of what appears to be a black board. Apparently it's not black, but it's grey. None of this was mention in the post of course.
So ya, no reason what so ever.
So what you're telling me is if someone made a proto in red, sent it to an influencer to be promoted, I would have NO REASON to believe that red is a possibility in the group buy?
What am I even reading at this point?
This topic has completely turned into nonsense on all ends
I actually want to apologize to ai03 not that it will count for anything at this point or that he would even want an apology or care, but despite the nonsense that this has devolved into, I'm actually looking forward to this board. I just cannot stand such a vitriolic reaction to literally 2 people expressing mild criticism to something. It's complete insanity.
Emotions run high on all ends and I will take full responsibility for acting on such emotions through out this topic. Just wish others would do the same.
Post by: Juggy on Sun, 18 October 2020, 17:12:13
Imagine keeping this thread so active that it gets pinned at top slot of IC forum for hours upon hours...
Imagine having this thread blow up to this degree over literally 2 people expressing mild criticism towards a group buy lol
The amount of gaslighting is out of control. It's as if seeing a black color and expecting a black color is so unfathomable as if I had asked for a rainbow. Last I checked black is pretty common. There was no intent to cause drama, but people freaking out over someone being disappointed of a reasonable expectation is truly ridiculous. If people are this confused then I think the initial point remains that there was poor communication.
Even now the initial post has not been updated. Just communicate better and get over it. Move on.
Post by: productkun on Sun, 18 October 2020, 17:12:21
i think its hilarious u kids talking **** about aio3. u wouldnt say this **** to him in real life, hes jacked. not only that but he has the freshest board manus, supports gasket mounts and gets featured by the hottest content creators. yall are pathetic lolSemphis copypaste best there is.
Post by: tommyhongg on Sun, 18 October 2020, 17:14:47
I haven't paid $750 for this board yet, but I demand the vendor to bend to my will and make any color I god damn want. I wasted 6 months looking at this black board. God damn it!!!!!!!
Post by: Juggy on Sun, 18 October 2020, 17:18:42
BROOOO
I haven't paid $750 for this board yet, but I demand the vendor to bend to my will and make any color I god damn want. I wasted 6 months looking at this black board. God damn it!!!!!!!
I guess I should apologize for expressing my interest in an interest check.
Post by: ThePanduuh on Sun, 18 October 2020, 17:22:30
Post by: tommyhongg on Sun, 18 October 2020, 17:24:49
BROOOO
I haven't paid $750 for this board yet, but I demand the vendor to bend to my will and make any color I god damn want. I wasted 6 months looking at this black board. God damn it!!!!!!!
I guess I should apologize for expressing my interest in an interest check.
Yesn't
Post by: keyrinn on Sun, 18 October 2020, 17:31:45
Post by: Zeelobby on Sun, 18 October 2020, 17:39:15
I don't want to ruin this fantasy you created, and if you'd taken the time to learn about the hobby you'd probably know this. But there are many times protos are ordered in colors not available during the GB. It's pretty common. Many times red is used for influencer proto or first round builds.i want my pcb in pink otherwise im out !!! :cool:
i am fuming :-X
I like how it seems remarkable to you that people that pay $750 of their hard earned money on a keyboard are picky. Must be a real epiphany today.
so much this, on a "custom" keyboard even
it's insane how detached from reality some people are, take a step back and read the IC out loud to someone that isn't in the hobby, see how they react when they learn that an "ultra-high-end" "custom" keyboard has ... no customisability.
How can you even complain about color options when they were TBA until yesterday? It's your own fault that you just assumed that there would be options and then you were let down by your own expectations.
I truly don't care about any of the board to be quite honest, it just seems obvious that people were going to complain about the lack of customisability when you hype up a board this much with such buzzwords and offer 2 colours. You reap what you sow.
Exactly- you reap what you sow. For no reason whatsoever people imagined something and now are disappointed that their fantasies didn't come true. Who's to blame if not they themselves.
For no reason what so ever? There are proto pics in this very topic from a few months ago of what appears to be a black board. Apparently it's not black, but it's grey. None of this was mention in the post of course.
So ya, no reason what so ever.
So what you're telling me is if someone made a proto in red, sent it to an influencer to be promoted, I would have NO REASON to believe that red is a possibility in the group buy?
What am I even reading at this point?
This topic has completely turned into nonsense on all ends
Uh. Yes? It's actually quite common for protos not to be final colors. Sometimes it's designers choice. Other times it's because the color doesn't come out the way they wanted. Sometimes they're trying a color they want to run on a future board. I have a DevestatingTKL in a green that'll likely never be run. And those who've spent time in the community prior to just reacting, have seen this countless times, and know colors aren't final until they're announced.
I don't see why this is nonsense? I mean except maybe because your willfully not wanting to accept it? I mean sure, you can hope that the color makes it to the production run, and the fact that it exists makes it more likely, sure. But it being posted somewhere doesn't mean that it's guaranteed, and it's definitely not due to "poor planning" or a badly run group buy.
Post by: LOLWK on Sun, 18 October 2020, 17:42:11
Post by: Juggy on Sun, 18 October 2020, 17:44:22
I don't want to ruin this fantasy you created, and if you'd taken the time to learn about the hobby you'd probably know this. But there are many times protos are ordered in colors not available during the GB. It's pretty common. Many times red is used for influencer proto or first round builds.i want my pcb in pink otherwise im out !!! :cool:
i am fuming :-X
I like how it seems remarkable to you that people that pay $750 of their hard earned money on a keyboard are picky. Must be a real epiphany today.
so much this, on a "custom" keyboard even
it's insane how detached from reality some people are, take a step back and read the IC out loud to someone that isn't in the hobby, see how they react when they learn that an "ultra-high-end" "custom" keyboard has ... no customisability.
How can you even complain about color options when they were TBA until yesterday? It's your own fault that you just assumed that there would be options and then you were let down by your own expectations.
I truly don't care about any of the board to be quite honest, it just seems obvious that people were going to complain about the lack of customisability when you hype up a board this much with such buzzwords and offer 2 colours. You reap what you sow.
Exactly- you reap what you sow. For no reason whatsoever people imagined something and now are disappointed that their fantasies didn't come true. Who's to blame if not they themselves.
For no reason what so ever? There are proto pics in this very topic from a few months ago of what appears to be a black board. Apparently it's not black, but it's grey. None of this was mention in the post of course.
So ya, no reason what so ever.
So what you're telling me is if someone made a proto in red, sent it to an influencer to be promoted, I would have NO REASON to believe that red is a possibility in the group buy?
What am I even reading at this point?
This topic has completely turned into nonsense on all ends
Uh. Yes? It's actually quite common for protos not to be final colors. Sometimes it's designers choice. Other times it's because the color doesn't come out the way they wanted. Sometimes they're trying a color they want to run on a future board. I have a DevestatingTKL in a green that'll likely never be run. And those who've spent time in the community prior to just reacting, have seen this countless times, and know colors aren't final until they're announced.
I don't see why this is nonsense? I mean except maybe because your willfully not wanting to accept it?
Unnecessary attacks from the likes of you escalated this post. I merely expressed my own disappointment at a keyboard I had been looking forward for a long time, and I got greeted with attacks as if I had committed murder.
Post by: Zeelobby on Sun, 18 October 2020, 17:45:31
I mean I'm not attacking you. I'm just telling it how it is. I'm not upset, and I'm glad your trying to make amends for your reaction. Just tried to give you some more info, to which you reacted by claiming it's nonsense. Not sure how you want me to take that?I don't want to ruin this fantasy you created, and if you'd taken the time to learn about the hobby you'd probably know this. But there are many times protos are ordered in colors not available during the GB. It's pretty common. Many times red is used for influencer proto or first round builds.i want my pcb in pink otherwise im out !!! :cool:
i am fuming :-X
I like how it seems remarkable to you that people that pay $750 of their hard earned money on a keyboard are picky. Must be a real epiphany today.
so much this, on a "custom" keyboard even
it's insane how detached from reality some people are, take a step back and read the IC out loud to someone that isn't in the hobby, see how they react when they learn that an "ultra-high-end" "custom" keyboard has ... no customisability.
How can you even complain about color options when they were TBA until yesterday? It's your own fault that you just assumed that there would be options and then you were let down by your own expectations.
I truly don't care about any of the board to be quite honest, it just seems obvious that people were going to complain about the lack of customisability when you hype up a board this much with such buzzwords and offer 2 colours. You reap what you sow.
Exactly- you reap what you sow. For no reason whatsoever people imagined something and now are disappointed that their fantasies didn't come true. Who's to blame if not they themselves.
For no reason what so ever? There are proto pics in this very topic from a few months ago of what appears to be a black board. Apparently it's not black, but it's grey. None of this was mention in the post of course.
So ya, no reason what so ever.
So what you're telling me is if someone made a proto in red, sent it to an influencer to be promoted, I would have NO REASON to believe that red is a possibility in the group buy?
What am I even reading at this point?
This topic has completely turned into nonsense on all ends
Uh. Yes? It's actually quite common for protos not to be final colors. Sometimes it's designers choice. Other times it's because the color doesn't come out the way they wanted. Sometimes they're trying a color they want to run on a future board. I have a DevestatingTKL in a green that'll likely never be run. And those who've spent time in the community prior to just reacting, have seen this countless times, and know colors aren't final until they're announced.
I don't see why this is nonsense? I mean except maybe because your willfully not wanting to accept it?
Unnecessary attacks from the likes of you escalated this post. I merely expressed my own disappointment at a keyboard I had been looking forward for a long time, and I got greeted with attacks as if I had committed murder.
Post by: grimis on Sun, 18 October 2020, 17:48:34
I don't want to ruin this fantasy you created, and if you'd taken the time to learn about the hobby you'd probably know this. But there are many times protos are ordered in colors not available during the GB. It's pretty common. Many times red is used for influencer proto or first round builds.i want my pcb in pink otherwise im out !!! :cool:
i am fuming :-X
I like how it seems remarkable to you that people that pay $750 of their hard earned money on a keyboard are picky. Must be a real epiphany today.
so much this, on a "custom" keyboard even
it's insane how detached from reality some people are, take a step back and read the IC out loud to someone that isn't in the hobby, see how they react when they learn that an "ultra-high-end" "custom" keyboard has ... no customisability.
How can you even complain about color options when they were TBA until yesterday? It's your own fault that you just assumed that there would be options and then you were let down by your own expectations.
I truly don't care about any of the board to be quite honest, it just seems obvious that people were going to complain about the lack of customisability when you hype up a board this much with such buzzwords and offer 2 colours. You reap what you sow.
Exactly- you reap what you sow. For no reason whatsoever people imagined something and now are disappointed that their fantasies didn't come true. Who's to blame if not they themselves.
For no reason what so ever? There are proto pics in this very topic from a few months ago of what appears to be a black board. Apparently it's not black, but it's grey. None of this was mention in the post of course.
So ya, no reason what so ever.
So what you're telling me is if someone made a proto in red, sent it to an influencer to be promoted, I would have NO REASON to believe that red is a possibility in the group buy?
What am I even reading at this point?
This topic has completely turned into nonsense on all ends
Uh. Yes? It's actually quite common for protos not to be final colors. Sometimes it's designers choice. Other times it's because the color doesn't come out the way they wanted. Sometimes they're trying a color they want to run on a future board. I have a DevestatingTKL in a green that'll likely never be run. And those who've spent time in the community prior to just reacting, have seen this countless times, and know colors aren't final until they're announced.
I don't see why this is nonsense? I mean except maybe because your willfully not wanting to accept it? I mean sure, you can hope that the color makes it to the production run, and the fact that it exists makes it more likely, sure. But it being posted somewhere doesn't mean that it's guaranteed, and it's definitely not due to "poor planning" or a badly run group buy.
I don't think it's an unreasonable conclusion to draw, that's all. I'm being as reasonable and civil as I can be at this point. I actually really feel bad about being a participant in turning this into what it is.
I'm not saying it's a guarantee or should be expected. I simply don't think it's outlandish to see a colour being promoted and think it could possibly be in the GB. I don't think it's outlandish or crazy to think black will be a possible option in any keyboard GB, especially when I see a picture posted of what looks like a black board. I just don't understand how anyone could act like these are unreasonable things to expect.
Is if my fault for expecting it when nothing was confirmed? Absoultely. But I don't think it's as ridiculous of an assumption as many of you are making it out to be, that is all.
I'm not even mad that black isn't an option btw. This just turn into an argument on priceable rather than this GB in particular.
Post by: LOLWK on Sun, 18 October 2020, 17:54:07
Unnecessary attacks from the likes of you escalated this post. I merely expressed my own disappointment at a keyboard I had been looking forward for a long time, and I got greeted with attacks as if I had committed murder.
I think it's safe to say this one wasn't planned well and got away from designer at some point. :/
Hmmmm
Post by: Zeelobby on Sun, 18 October 2020, 17:54:16
I mean it's been less about the principle and more about how you approached it and responded. A cooler head and more leveled approach probably wouldn't have devolved into this.I don't want to ruin this fantasy you created, and if you'd taken the time to learn about the hobby you'd probably know this. But there are many times protos are ordered in colors not available during the GB. It's pretty common. Many times red is used for influencer proto or first round builds.i want my pcb in pink otherwise im out !!! :cool:
i am fuming :-X
I like how it seems remarkable to you that people that pay $750 of their hard earned money on a keyboard are picky. Must be a real epiphany today.
so much this, on a "custom" keyboard even
it's insane how detached from reality some people are, take a step back and read the IC out loud to someone that isn't in the hobby, see how they react when they learn that an "ultra-high-end" "custom" keyboard has ... no customisability.
How can you even complain about color options when they were TBA until yesterday? It's your own fault that you just assumed that there would be options and then you were let down by your own expectations.
I truly don't care about any of the board to be quite honest, it just seems obvious that people were going to complain about the lack of customisability when you hype up a board this much with such buzzwords and offer 2 colours. You reap what you sow.
Exactly- you reap what you sow. For no reason whatsoever people imagined something and now are disappointed that their fantasies didn't come true. Who's to blame if not they themselves.
For no reason what so ever? There are proto pics in this very topic from a few months ago of what appears to be a black board. Apparently it's not black, but it's grey. None of this was mention in the post of course.
So ya, no reason what so ever.
So what you're telling me is if someone made a proto in red, sent it to an influencer to be promoted, I would have NO REASON to believe that red is a possibility in the group buy?
What am I even reading at this point?
This topic has completely turned into nonsense on all ends
Uh. Yes? It's actually quite common for protos not to be final colors. Sometimes it's designers choice. Other times it's because the color doesn't come out the way they wanted. Sometimes they're trying a color they want to run on a future board. I have a DevestatingTKL in a green that'll likely never be run. And those who've spent time in the community prior to just reacting, have seen this countless times, and know colors aren't final until they're announced.
I don't see why this is nonsense? I mean except maybe because your willfully not wanting to accept it? I mean sure, you can hope that the color makes it to the production run, and the fact that it exists makes it more likely, sure. But it being posted somewhere doesn't mean that it's guaranteed, and it's definitely not due to "poor planning" or a badly run group buy.
I don't think it's an unreasonable conclusion to draw, that's all. I'm being as reasonable and civil as I can be at this point. I actually really feel bad about being a participant in turning this into what it is.
I'm not saying it's a guarantee or should be expected. I simply don't think it's outlandish to see a colour being promoted and think it could possibly be in the GB. I don't think it's outlandish or crazy to think black will be a possible option in any keyboard GB, especially when I see a picture posted of what looks like a black board. I just don't understand how anyone could act like these are unreasonable things to expect.
Is if my fault for expecting it when nothing was confirmed? Absoultely. But I don't think it's as ridiculous of an assumption as many of you are making it out to be, that is all.
I'm not even mad that black isn't an option btw. This just turn into an argument on priceable rather than this GB in particular.
"Darn, I thought this was coming in black. Oh well, GL with GB!"
Reasonable, friendly, gets your point across, and saves face.
It's all good though. Everything is an experience to learn from.
Post by: wholypantalones on Sun, 18 October 2020, 18:02:19
Cant wait for this beautiful board!
Post by: grimis on Sun, 18 October 2020, 18:03:29
I mean it's been less about the principle and more about how you approached it and responded. A cooler head and more leveled approach probably wouldn't have devolved into this.I don't want to ruin this fantasy you created, and if you'd taken the time to learn about the hobby you'd probably know this. But there are many times protos are ordered in colors not available during the GB. It's pretty common. Many times red is used for influencer proto or first round builds.i want my pcb in pink otherwise im out !!! :cool:
i am fuming :-X
I like how it seems remarkable to you that people that pay $750 of their hard earned money on a keyboard are picky. Must be a real epiphany today.
so much this, on a "custom" keyboard even
it's insane how detached from reality some people are, take a step back and read the IC out loud to someone that isn't in the hobby, see how they react when they learn that an "ultra-high-end" "custom" keyboard has ... no customisability.
How can you even complain about color options when they were TBA until yesterday? It's your own fault that you just assumed that there would be options and then you were let down by your own expectations.
I truly don't care about any of the board to be quite honest, it just seems obvious that people were going to complain about the lack of customisability when you hype up a board this much with such buzzwords and offer 2 colours. You reap what you sow.
Exactly- you reap what you sow. For no reason whatsoever people imagined something and now are disappointed that their fantasies didn't come true. Who's to blame if not they themselves.
For no reason what so ever? There are proto pics in this very topic from a few months ago of what appears to be a black board. Apparently it's not black, but it's grey. None of this was mention in the post of course.
So ya, no reason what so ever.
So what you're telling me is if someone made a proto in red, sent it to an influencer to be promoted, I would have NO REASON to believe that red is a possibility in the group buy?
What am I even reading at this point?
This topic has completely turned into nonsense on all ends
Uh. Yes? It's actually quite common for protos not to be final colors. Sometimes it's designers choice. Other times it's because the color doesn't come out the way they wanted. Sometimes they're trying a color they want to run on a future board. I have a DevestatingTKL in a green that'll likely never be run. And those who've spent time in the community prior to just reacting, have seen this countless times, and know colors aren't final until they're announced.
I don't see why this is nonsense? I mean except maybe because your willfully not wanting to accept it? I mean sure, you can hope that the color makes it to the production run, and the fact that it exists makes it more likely, sure. But it being posted somewhere doesn't mean that it's guaranteed, and it's definitely not due to "poor planning" or a badly run group buy.
I don't think it's an unreasonable conclusion to draw, that's all. I'm being as reasonable and civil as I can be at this point. I actually really feel bad about being a participant in turning this into what it is.
I'm not saying it's a guarantee or should be expected. I simply don't think it's outlandish to see a colour being promoted and think it could possibly be in the GB. I don't think it's outlandish or crazy to think black will be a possible option in any keyboard GB, especially when I see a picture posted of what looks like a black board. I just don't understand how anyone could act like these are unreasonable things to expect.
Is if my fault for expecting it when nothing was confirmed? Absoultely. But I don't think it's as ridiculous of an assumption as many of you are making it out to be, that is all.
I'm not even mad that black isn't an option btw. This just turn into an argument on priceable rather than this GB in particular.
"Darn, I thought this was coming in black. Oh well, GL with GB!"
Reasonable, friendly, gets your point across, and saves face.
It's all good though. Everything is an experience to learn from.
I agree, but I think that goes both ways with the reactions in this topic. Keep in mind this was me and one other person being critical and a horde of people ganging up on us. Hard to keep it cool in that situation. Not an excuse, just some added context.
What really set me off was actually trying to turn it back and be civil and calm when asking ai03 about the pictures of what looked to be the black version, but the response from him came off as condescending. If I perceived it incorrectly, that's my mistake. If it was meant to be condescending I totally get it at this point and was most likely done out of frustration. It's frustrating to see people being snarky and critical towards things you've worked hard on and we are all human. In the same way I lashed out over frustration, I can see him responding because of the same reason, which again, I totally get.
I'm sure he has put lots of hard work into this project and I don't want to take anything away from him.
In the end, he will sell all these boards and people will love them and everyone will laugh at me and the other dude who started this **** show. Not much can be done at this point but apologize again.
Post by: treeleaf64 on Sun, 18 October 2020, 18:08:32
Please do not argue with the color options. Reanodize, powdercoat , or cerakote.
Like come on guys..
If you want a keyboard in this specific color. Work for it. You get what you get and you don't throw a fit.
Post by: treeleaf64 on Sun, 18 October 2020, 18:09:43
Stop complaining
Post by: Capsy on Sun, 18 October 2020, 18:13:00
Post by: treeleaf64 on Sun, 18 October 2020, 18:14:57
Creates best keyboards. Creates best GH threads. What can Ai03 not do?
Ai03 can never have the black color option :eek:
Post by: grimis on Sun, 18 October 2020, 18:15:11
Creates best keyboards. Creates best GH threads. What can Ai03 not do?
Make a black Andromeda
I'm sorry, I couldn't resist lol That was just a joke!
Post by: treeleaf64 on Sun, 18 October 2020, 18:16:11
Creates best keyboards. Creates best GH threads. What can Ai03 not do?
Make a black Andromeda
I'm sorry, I couldn't resist lol That was just a joke!
I was joking too LOL
Post by: Juggy on Sun, 18 October 2020, 18:23:40
Post by: Puddsy on Sun, 18 October 2020, 18:40:53
Post by: Auxo on Sun, 18 October 2020, 19:54:42
Post by: hkhawk on Sun, 18 October 2020, 20:16:38
I'm just trying to decide on gray vs. silver. Will there be any pictures or renders of gray by any chance?
Post by: Zeelobby on Sun, 18 October 2020, 20:19:25
Thank you for making nice things Ai03 and staying true to your vision. I hope I can get one of these if possible!
I'm just trying to decide on gray vs. silver. Will there be any pictures or renders of gray by any chance?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=93NkiCv2WME&start=161 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=93NkiCv2WME&start=161)
Post by: hkhawk on Sun, 18 October 2020, 20:23:11
Thank you for making nice things Ai03 and staying true to your vision. I hope I can get one of these if possible!
I'm just trying to decide on gray vs. silver. Will there be any pictures or renders of gray by any chance?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=93NkiCv2WME&start=161 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=93NkiCv2WME&start=161)
Thank you! Is it just me or is it a bit of a blue gray? That does look nice!
Post by: Zeelobby on Sun, 18 October 2020, 20:26:41
Thank you for making nice things Ai03 and staying true to your vision. I hope I can get one of these if possible!
I'm just trying to decide on gray vs. silver. Will there be any pictures or renders of gray by any chance?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=93NkiCv2WME&start=161 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=93NkiCv2WME&start=161)
Thank you! Is it just me or is it a bit of a blue gray? That does look nice!
So hard to say without knowing the lighting setup. Likely it's cool harsh fluorescent lighting, might give everything a blue tinge. Ano is hard to photograph accurately because of it's reflective properties.
Post by: DukeEsquire on Sun, 18 October 2020, 20:28:11
I understand photographing things can be difficult. I'm just trying to get an idea of what to expect with the grey version. Despite my criticisms and disappointment at colour choices, I fully intend to try and get in on this board. But I was learning towards silver over grey, unless this is almost like a charcoal grey which it looks like in the pictures.
Will you have more photos available before the GB?
I highly recommend avoiding this GB if cannot be satisfied unless a certain shade of grey.
My prototype unit is currently on its way back following display at Maker Faire Tokyo, after which it will be quarantined for a while to disinfect thoroughly. Therefore, it is unlikely that I will be able to photograph the board before GB, especially in enough specific lighting conditions to convey to you the exact shade of the board through your monitor.
I'll be avoiding it now due to your arrogance. Which ultimately won't matter in the end, but it's gross how slight criticism towards something results in this kind of response from not only community members, which I can expect, but the actual designers.
Imagine responding this way to someone who would like a bit more info before dropping $800 on a keyboard. Imagine getting upset that someone said this GB seems poorly planned when you won't even be able to show people when they are getting in one of two options you are providing.
You should imagine not being a nutjob first.
Post by: Wilba on Sun, 18 October 2020, 20:50:29
Thankfully most people in this community get it, and appreciate what ai03 is tring to do with this keyboard.
Board looks great, ai03. Please ignore all this entitled whining being framed as mild criticism.
Post by: ptiede on Sun, 18 October 2020, 22:47:56
Post by: 2Cas on Sun, 18 October 2020, 23:05:18
Post by: ProlificPanda on Sun, 18 October 2020, 23:34:02
Post by: Artemie on Mon, 19 October 2020, 01:24:04
I'm here to pretend to complain about the giant mob of 2 people whining, but I'm actually here to bump the IC and get +1 post count (road to puddsy). Also nice rectangle.Only 11,577 posts to go. You’re getting there bud.
Post by: Nonnegaard on Mon, 19 October 2020, 03:34:43
Post by: Nonnegaard on Mon, 19 October 2020, 03:36:38
"I reccomend not buying something you don't want." -ai03.All I want for christmas is feet better than bumpons
Make a longer ones plz. It makes big difference
What about 8° angle isn’t it a bit steep
I opted for bump-on style feet in this design due to their non-impeding visuals against the case design and isolation performance.
Typing angle will be your preference.
I recommend not buying this board if you do not like it.
Post by: FlitzDeelman on Mon, 19 October 2020, 04:31:13
Post by: tsolin01 on Mon, 19 October 2020, 15:18:45
Post by: BouncyChillups on Mon, 19 October 2020, 15:48:29
Just checked out Apiary's build and sound test of this and is it supposed to sound so muted? most people seemed happy with the sound but it didn't really sound good to me at all and that was without the foam...
So you WANT it to sound hollow? Thats weirdchamp - the boarded sounded great.
Post by: Lulzthax_ on Mon, 19 October 2020, 15:51:36
Post by: Rico on Mon, 19 October 2020, 15:51:56
Just checked out Apiary's build and sound test of this and is it supposed to sound so muted? most people seemed happy with the sound but it didn't really sound good to me at all and that was without the foam...
Maybe you prefer clacky boards, at the end it is a matter of preference and there is nothing wrong with that.
Post by: tsolin01 on Mon, 19 October 2020, 17:46:04
Just checked out Apiary's build and sound test of this and is it supposed to sound so muted? most people seemed happy with the sound but it didn't really sound good to me at all and that was without the foam...
So you WANT it to sound hollow? Thats weirdchamp - the boarded sounded great.
I didn't say anything about hollow. It sounded really muted which I guess is preference if you like that. Looking at let's say a Keycult, you have more of a sound signature than just something silent.
Post by: hwood34 on Mon, 19 October 2020, 18:23:32
Just checked out Apiary's build and sound test of this and is it supposed to sound so muted? most people seemed happy with the sound but it didn't really sound good to me at all and that was without the foam...
So you WANT it to sound hollow? Thats weirdchamp - the boarded sounded great.
boards can have plenty of acoustic characteristics, hollow is not necessarily the inverse of muted
Post by: lbassett21 on Mon, 19 October 2020, 21:16:49
This is honestly such a huge disappointment. I've been waiting on this since day one and even passing on other boards to have a $750 price tag and only silver/gray...I thought for sure there would at least be a black.
I think it's safe to say this one wasn't planned well and got away from designer at some point. :/
Just buy an 8x.
Post by: ThePanduuh on Mon, 19 October 2020, 21:39:12
road to puddsy
Post by: tommyhongg on Mon, 19 October 2020, 21:42:21
Just checked out Apiary's build and sound test of this and is it supposed to sound so muted? most people seemed happy with the sound but it didn't really sound good to me at all and that was without the foam...
So you WANT it to sound hollow? Thats weirdchamp - the boarded sounded great.
Plenty of keyboards don't sound muted but also don't sound hollow either. WeirdChamp
Post by: treeleaf64 on Mon, 19 October 2020, 21:44:46
Something I'd like to say if you are complaining -
Nobody has taken your money yet. You should not feel offended.
The designer's view of the board doesn't match up with your expectations. If your expectations are high reaching, please buy a different board and stop whining.
Thanks!
Post by: treeleaf64 on Mon, 19 October 2020, 21:45:29
Puddsy with the best quote here. Ai03 is doing great things for the community. I don't want to be on Ai03's ****list though I probably am already.
road to puddsy
Why do you strive to become the Forbidden Name That Must Never Be Spoken?
Post by: ThePanduuh on Mon, 19 October 2020, 21:49:29
Why do you strive to become the Forbidden Name That Must Never Be Spoken?
post count
Post by: paulgali on Tue, 20 October 2020, 00:38:37
I'm here to pretend to complain about the giant mob of 2 people whining, but I'm actually here to bump the IC and get +1 post count (road to puddsy). Also nice rectangle.
Post 'nice' on every IC ;D
Memes aside - Ai has done a fantastic job. The criticism is unwarranted. Pay the man, or miss the GB. It's not that difficult
Post by: steezkeez on Tue, 20 October 2020, 11:55:37
Post by: unknownh on Tue, 20 October 2020, 15:36:31
Post by: paqji on Tue, 20 October 2020, 16:27:47
Post by: stimuz on Wed, 21 October 2020, 05:03:35
Just checked out Apiary's build and sound test of this and is it supposed to sound so muted? most people seemed happy with the sound but it didn't really sound good to me at all and that was without the foam...
I can't agree with that. Theres a sharp clack, just not much resonance in the board. I think it sounds very nice, though I prefer louder boards I can respect that sound vs the borderline annoying sounding ultra muted keyboards that sound like gentle taps. Plus she doesn't seem like a fast typer or a heavy typer. It would sound a lot different with more force in bottoming out. That said, I do wanna hear it with faster, less controlled typing. If it still sounds great with hard bottom outs then good job to ai.
edit: watched rest of VOD, I think it sounds great. Gonna be honest though, I don't like how it looks, but that's super subjective.
Post by: nathanchere on Wed, 21 October 2020, 07:49:59
Post by: Grandmasternoob on Fri, 23 October 2020, 14:30:17
Post by: ai03 on Fri, 23 October 2020, 16:44:35
Extra PCB kits (Main PCB, extra daughterboard, and interconnect cable) will be available at 60USD per kit.
Obviously, base kit will include one set of the listed parts.
Extra plates (and corresponding gaskets) will be available in the following variants:
- Aluminum, black (+45USD)
- Polycarbonate, smoky black (+40USD)
- FR4, black (+35USD)
The stock plate included in base kit is aluminum as a very balanced option between sound and feel.
Post by: quazikun on Fri, 23 October 2020, 16:50:52
One last update regarding extra part details:Do we have a chance to add after ordering a kit or do extras have to be added at the time of ordering? Excited for sale!
Extra PCB kits (Main PCB, extra daughterboard, and interconnect cable) will be available at 60USD per kit.
Obviously, base kit will include one set of the listed parts.
Extra plates (and corresponding gaskets) will be available in the following variants:
- Aluminum, black (+45USD)
- Polycarbonate, smoky black (+40USD)
- FR4, black (+35USD)
The stock plate included in base kit is aluminum as a very balanced option between sound and feel.
Post by: DonkeyD on Sat, 24 October 2020, 04:43:26
Post by: Jigster on Sat, 24 October 2020, 06:34:02
Noobie here. Really stoked about this board. May I ask what's the Deskey site for the Andromeda GB? I know its on the Deskey TaoBao store but I can't find the store.
Appreciate if anyone can direct me to the site/page/link.. Thank you.
Post by: ai03 on Sat, 24 October 2020, 07:19:20
Hi,
Noobie here. Really stoked about this board. May I ask what's the Deskey site for the Andromeda GB? I know its on the Deskey TaoBao store but I can't find the store.
Appreciate if anyone can direct me to the site/page/link.. Thank you.
Kevinplus (of Deskeys) stated on their Discord server that they will be releasing the link at the last minute at their server and my own to avoid the listing getting botted.
Also, ETA for delivery has been set to May 2021 for the time being.
Post by: Jigster on Sat, 24 October 2020, 07:41:35
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Post by: directheatedtriode on Sat, 24 October 2020, 10:10:36
Post by: asmashedpumpkin on Sat, 24 October 2020, 10:16:32
Post by: Hellenic94 on Sat, 24 October 2020, 10:30:08
Man this is so discouraging when you follow a build for months, set your calendar and alarm up to remind you, then wait in a digital que for 5 minutes only to get a message that it’s been sold out. I thought for sure at this price I would have a chance to get to a page we’re I could at least be able to put in my credit card info.
and thats your first mistake man, you need to have everything before hand ready for autofill with 1 click checkout
Post by: MacSurfy on Sat, 24 October 2020, 12:16:00
GG!
Post by: Zeelobby on Sat, 24 October 2020, 12:16:48
Post by: Poesjuh on Sat, 24 October 2020, 12:24:37
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Post by: clik_clak on Sat, 24 October 2020, 13:32:17
Man this is so discouraging when you follow a build for months, set your calendar and alarm up to remind you, then wait in a digital que for 5 minutes only to get a message that it’s been sold out. I thought for sure at this price I would have a chance to get to a page we’re I could at least be able to put in my credit card info.
and thats your first mistake man, you need to have everything before hand ready for autofill with 1 click checkout
That's not even remotely true. With Cannonkeys' new queue system, having your CC already added isn't going to increase your chances. You have to make it through the raffle system first, and if there's 2000 people waiting for 100 boards, you're gonna have to get lucky as it is.
I'm not saying the system is bad by any means, but saying that having your CC autofill is going to increase your chances is completely false.
Post by: NoteMakoti on Sat, 24 October 2020, 14:07:31
Post by: hkhawk on Sat, 24 October 2020, 14:39:00
Man this is so discouraging when you follow a build for months, set your calendar and alarm up to remind you, then wait in a digital que for 5 minutes only to get a message that it’s been sold out. I thought for sure at this price I would have a chance to get to a page we’re I could at least be able to put in my credit card info.
and thats your first mistake man, you need to have everything before hand ready for autofill with 1 click checkout
That's not how CannonKeys system works
Post by: ljyel on Sat, 24 October 2020, 18:06:56
Post by: LOLWK on Sat, 24 October 2020, 18:57:34
Ill be waiting for Andro Ultra.
Post by: EdgeOfInfinity on Sat, 24 October 2020, 20:53:47
Post by: datfroyodoe on Sat, 24 October 2020, 23:24:14
i will win.R ya winnin son?
Post by: Hugs94 on Sun, 25 October 2020, 15:52:12
Make a black Andromeda
Why do you insist on having a black Andromeda? What if he didn't like how black turned out? Are you projecting?
Post by: Domantas on Sun, 25 October 2020, 17:39:21
Post by: Sycomore on Mon, 26 October 2020, 00:04:03
Make a black Andromeda
Why do you insist on having a black Andromeda? What if he didn't like how black turned out? Are you projecting?
Ai03 literally said that black was written of essentially at the very start of the project due to it being muted and not showing detail as much as grey/silver.
Post by: JJ on Mon, 26 October 2020, 01:31:33
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Post by: lysergic acid on Thu, 29 October 2020, 09:58:18
If anyone wants to give up their spot I'll take it.5k :)) /s
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