[IC] Leeku Eagle/Viper PCB (ISO+ANSI) + plate [PROJECT CANCELLED]

[Karura]

This is kinda side-tracking the GB, but just wanted to mention that if possible, I would love to see some coordination/support for the Viper PCB/plate and the SkiDatum60% case.

It would be really cool to have them be compatible, and build our very own Skidata HHKB

https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=74248.0

Just thought I'd mention it. I'm sure it's just a matter of making sure the holes on the case line up with the plate/PCB holes of the PCB, and making sure the PCB dimensions fit the case.

Either way, I'm quite excited about the entire GB Will get an extra plate/PCB for my Eagle, as well as a Viper set, if the case compatibility can be ensured.

[azhdar]

This is kinda side-tracking the GB, but just wanted to mention that if possible, I would love to see some coordination/support for the Viper PCB/plate and the SkiDatum60% case.

It would be really cool to have them be compatible, and build our very own Skidata HHKB

https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=74248.0

Just thought I'd mention it. I'm sure it's just a matter of making sure the holes on the case line up with the plate/PCB holes of the PCB, and making sure the PCB dimensions fit the case.

Either way, I'm quite excited about the entire GB Will get an extra plate/PCB for my Eagle, as well as a Viper set, if the case compatibility can be ensured.

An eagle/viper pcb doesn't share all the standoffs of a "regular 60%" but enough that the pcb should hold tight. I have a viper sitting in my living room at, I'll verify but I'm pretty sure it's the same 7 standoffs that on eagle.
If Njbair design the case with standard standoffs I don't see how it wouldn't fit in his case.

Regarding the split spacebar I'll see what I can do, but case mounting holes aren't the only problem, various holes for switch positions and switch stabilizers make the pcb look like gruyere, some holes might override some others so not everything is possible.

[azhdar]

Bottom sides RGB will be available.

[quochung1989]

Greatting !

[themagicat]

I'm interested in a viper PCB and plate

[pichu23]

Will either pcb fit a standard 60% case?
Sorry if this was asked before.

[Karura]

Will either pcb fit a standard 60% case?
Sorry if this was asked before.

It is unconfirmed, but I have requested it with the PCB designer, and it is being considered.

[pichu23]

Will either pcb fit a standard 60% case?
Sorry if this was asked before.

It is unconfirmed, but I have requested it with the PCB designer, and it is being considered.

Thanks for the reply. I hope at least a couple of screws/standoff will fit.
I'll definitely keep an eye on this thread for the response then!

[jorgenslee]

Thanks for the reply. I hope at least a couple of screws/standoff will fit.
I'll definitely keep an eye on this thread for the response then!

See this post by quochung,

I checked with my Viper PCB with FMJ housing.
This is some pics:

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You can just mount 4 holes, no more. I think it's enough reliable to use.
This is only personal idea. You should thinking to give decision.

[azhdar]

See this answer also :
https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=74953.msg1866578#msg1866578

We should be able to add the center hole of standard 60% case on our design.
The bottom one will not.

We're still working on the design of pcb & plate the layouts offered can be validated.

[themagicat]

Sorry, new to this forum... How do I vote?

[DanielT]

We should be able to add the center hole of standard 60% case on our design.
The bottom one will not.

This is interesting, in this case I would be interested in one PCB too. I don't have a Eagle/Viper case and getting one is close to impossible, so compatibility with a standard case is something really cool. I can live without the bottom mounting hole 

[pichu23]

We should be able to add the center hole of standard 60% case on our design.
The bottom one will not.

This is interesting, in this case I would be interested in one PCB too. I don't have a Eagle/Viper case and getting one is close to impossible, so compatibility with a standard case is something really cool. I can live without the bottom mounting hole 

Me too! I've got a vortex case lying around... unused.. 

[Lurch]

this is exciting. really hope this comes to fruition soon.

[potatowire]

We should be able to add the center hole of standard 60% case on our design.
The bottom one will not.

This is interesting, in this case I would be interested in one PCB too. I don't have a Eagle/Viper case and getting one is close to impossible, so compatibility with a standard case is something really cool. I can live without the bottom mounting hole 

Me too! I've got a vortex case lying around... unused.. 

I would insta-buy a Poker-compatible Eagle PCB and plate.

[StormyMonday]

We should be able to add the center hole of standard 60% case on our design.
The bottom one will not.

This is interesting, in this case I would be interested in one PCB too. I don't have a Eagle/Viper case and getting one is close to impossible, so compatibility with a standard case is something really cool. I can live without the bottom mounting hole 

Me too! I've got a vortex case lying around... unused.. 

I would insta-buy a Poker-compatible Eagle PCB and plate.

That's a given. The real question, is whether to buy one set, or two! 

[potatowire]

We should be able to add the center hole of standard 60% case on our design.
The bottom one will not.

This is interesting, in this case I would be interested in one PCB too. I don't have a Eagle/Viper case and getting one is close to impossible, so compatibility with a standard case is something really cool. I can live without the bottom mounting hole 

Me too! I've got a vortex case lying around... unused.. 

I would insta-buy a Poker-compatible Eagle PCB and plate.

That's a given. The real question, is whether to buy one set, or two! 

I'm leaning towards two...

[azhdar]

Thanks for the support guys, it is still being worked.

Making a plate to support all the various layouts and yet include duck standoffs + regular 60% standoffs is tricky.

Can't launch before we figure this out.

[pichu23]

Thanks for the support guys, it is still being worked.

Making a plate to support all the various layouts and yet include duck standoffs + regular 60% standoffs is tricky.

Can't launch before we figure this out.

Yeah, no worries. Cheers man for doing this.
Take your time. 

[potatowire]

Thanks for the support guys, it is still being worked.

Making a plate to support all the various layouts and yet include duck standoffs + regular 60% standoffs is tricky.

Can't launch before we figure this out.

Yeah, no worries. Cheers man for doing this.
Take your time. 

Agreed!

[themagicat]

When do you anticipate this to be shipped?

[azhdar]

When do you anticipate this to be shipped?

Considering the 2-3months of design/production that will be done as soon as the GB is launched I think early 2016 is the most realistic ETA (since december will probably a hard time to ship/work).

[azhdar]

This is still worked on, sadly Leeku is very busy lately and has no time to work on it at the moment.

So yeah more delays 
Anyway it's something that will happen, I have a viper on the way, and may I be damned if I ever use it in ANSI  )


Layout that SHOULD be available (changes may occur, we want to offer a way to split the 7u spacebar too) :

Green ones are for the viper.


The pcbs will be named Vulture for the Eagle Replica and Cobra for the Viper Replica.

[quochung1989]

I like name "Cobra" 

[alienman82]

removed.

[pichu23]

This is still worked on, sadly Leeku is very busy lately and has no time to work on it at the moment.

So yeah more delays 
Anyway it's something that will happen, I have a viper on the way, and may I be damned if I ever use it in ANSI  )


Layout that SHOULD be available (changes may occur, we want to offer a way to split the 7u spacebar too) :

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Green ones are for the viper.


The pcbs will be named Vulture for the Eagle Replica and Cobra for the Viper Replica.

Nicely done!
I'll most prob get the Vulture. I don't have a proper case for the Cobra and I'm afraid it might look weird having gaps at the corner.  :-\

[ideus]

It does not make sense to offer the "Cobra" with no case; because, there is no HHKB style cases available, but GON's and Sprit's, the first is very expensive, and the second is not available now, and both works with their own PCBs, they do not required an special one. Some may want to install it in regular 60% cases, but the corners should be filled with addons that will not look good, defeating the overall purpose of a HHKB style PCB that is mainly to look like an actual HHKB.

Maybe as an spare part for those that already owned a Viper, but that's it.

[pichu23]

It does not make sense to offer the "Cobra" with no case; because, there is no HHKB style cases available, but GON's and Sprit's, the first is very expensive, and the second is not available now. Some may want to install it in regular 60% cases, but the corners should be filled with addons that will not look good, defeating the overall purpose of a HHKB style PCB that is mainly to look like an actual HHKB.

Maybe as an spare part for those that already owned a Viper, but that's it.

Yeah, that was my main concern. Oh wells, the "Eagle" isn't that bad either tbh. 

[azhdar]

The Cobra is made to get into a duck Viper case, we don't plan to have standard 60% standoffs on the Cobra.

For HHKB style that are offered by GON and Winkeyless.kr AFAIK it's a standard 60% without corners removed, so the Vulture would work for it.
I don't know how the Srit's one is designed.

[pichu23]

The Cobra is made to get into a duck Viper case, we don't plan to have standard 60% standoffs on the Cobra.

For HHKB style that are offered by GON and Winkeyless.kr AFAIK it's a standard 60% without corners removed, so the Vulture would work for it.
I don't know how the Srit's one is designed.

So if I were to get the hhkb layout case from winkeyless, it would fit this pcb then? I'm talking bout the Cobra 

[quochung1989]

The Cobra is made to get into a duck Viper case, we don't plan to have standard 60% standoffs on the Cobra.

For HHKB style that are offered by GON and Winkeyless.kr AFAIK it's a standard 60% without corners removed, so the Vulture would work for it.
I don't know how the Srit's one is designed.

So if I were to get the hhkb layout case from winkeyless, it would fit this pcb then? I'm talking bout the Cobra 

I think it's good to use. Except some holes you can't use.
I only guess when I compare between Eagle & Viper PCB.

[azhdar]

The Cobra is made to get into a duck Viper case, we don't plan to have standard 60% standoffs on the Cobra.

For HHKB style that are offered by GON and Winkeyless.kr AFAIK it's a standard 60% without corners removed, so the Vulture would work for it.
I don't know how the Srit's one is designed.

So if I were to get the hhkb layout case from winkeyless, it would fit this pcb then? I'm talking bout the Cobra 

I just explained above that winkeyless.kr use regular 60% for his HHKB style cases. I'm not even sure a non winkeyless.kr pcb would work (I'm not certain on how it's mounted).

[ideus]

The Cobra is made to get into a duck Viper case, we don't plan to have standard 60% standoffs on the Cobra.

For HHKB style that are offered by GON and Winkeyless.kr AFAIK it's a standard 60% without corners removed, so the Vulture would work for it.
I don't know how the Srit's one is designed.

So if I were to get the hhkb layout case from winkeyless, it would fit this pcb then? I'm talking bout the Cobra 

I just explained above that winkeyless.kr use regular 60% for his HHKB style cases. I'm not even sure a non winkeyless.kr pcb would work (I'm not certain on how it's mounted).

I wrote winkeless guys some weeks ago, about the use of a GON with their sixty case and they say no. I even ask them to sell me one to try the GON Nerd60 by myself and they say no.

[zhihuichan]

The viper case is also wanted !!

[alienman82]

removed.

[azhdar]

want so bad!

So do I, leeku is very busy with this project : https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=76617.0
As soon as his schedule get better, we'll work on this.

[alienman82]

removed.

[KaLam1ty]

Thanks for keeping up with this project anyhow. I'm very interested in a Cobra.
I don't have a Viper case, but I plan to get a custom woodcase build to spec-wise to support it.

Probably laser cut will be the easiest. I assume you will be posting the final PCB/measurement plans when this all goes through?

[tern21]

This is still worked on, sadly Leeku is very busy lately and has no time to work on it at the moment.

So yeah more delays 
Anyway it's something that will happen, I have a viper on the way, and may I be damned if I ever use it in ANSI  )


Layout that SHOULD be available (changes may occur, we want to offer a way to split the 7u spacebar too) :

Show Image

Green ones are for the viper.


The pcbs will be named Vulture for the Eagle Replica and Cobra for the Viper Replica.

So will there be any option for having the 1u keys on the right hand side of the spacebar or is that completely out of the design?

[skaloola]

Count me in

[azhdar]

This is still worked on, sadly Leeku is very busy lately and has no time to work on it at the moment.

So yeah more delays 
Anyway it's something that will happen, I have a viper on the way, and may I be damned if I ever use it in ANSI  )


Layout that SHOULD be available (changes may occur, we want to offer a way to split the 7u spacebar too) :

Show Image

Green ones are for the viper.


The pcbs will be named Vulture for the Eagle Replica and Cobra for the Viper Replica.

So will there be any option for having the 1u keys on the right hand side of the spacebar or is that completely out of the design?

Sadly this is out of the design since it gets in the way of the duck mouting positions.

Thanks for keeping up with this project anyhow. I'm very interested in a Cobra.
I don't have a Viper case, but I plan to get a custom woodcase build to spec-wise to support it.

Probably laser cut will be the easiest. I assume you will be posting the final PCB/measurement plans when this all goes through?

The viper case is also wanted !!

As of today, there is no plan to make case, and it would have to go through Duck approval anyway.
But I will be able to give measurment in the end.

[tern21]

This is still worked on, sadly Leeku is very busy lately and has no time to work on it at the moment.

So yeah more delays 
Anyway it's something that will happen, I have a viper on the way, and may I be damned if I ever use it in ANSI  )


Layout that SHOULD be available (changes may occur, we want to offer a way to split the 7u spacebar too) :

Show Image

Green ones are for the viper.


The pcbs will be named Vulture for the Eagle Replica and Cobra for the Viper Replica.

So will there be any option for having the 1u keys on the right hand side of the spacebar or is that completely out of the design?

Sadly this is out of the design since it gets in the way of the duck mouting positions.

Thanks for keeping up with this project anyhow. I'm very interested in a Cobra.
I don't have a Viper case, but I plan to get a custom woodcase build to spec-wise to support it.

Probably laser cut will be the easiest. I assume you will be posting the final PCB/measurement plans when this all goes through?

The viper case is also wanted !!

As of today, there is no plan to make case, and it would have to go through Duck approval anyway.
But I will be able to give measurment in the end.

:( that makes me so sad, would have bought it otherwise. It is only one screw though...  :'( Is there any other PCBs that have 1u spacing there?

[alienman82]

removed.

[Frigid]

Do you know what the price point will be?

[azhdar]

Chatted with leeku the other day, he's still very busy with his compact SQ GB and other keyboard projects.
Anyway my viper is on the way and will gather dust until I can ISO it so you can be sure this is happening.

Do you know what the price point will be?

Expect it to be around 100-110$ shipped to you for a pcb+plate.

[inanis]

On the Cobra PCB/Plate, that will have a full bottom row? Not like the actual Viper? Just trying to understand how a case would work. If one does get the Cobra, would you simply be able to trim the plate/PCB to remove the unwanted area, or are those traces needed for other connectivity?

I'm interested in the Cobra, but not if I can't get a case in the style I'm after. Also, for full disclosure, there was talk about making cases in this style (and others) in my thread. In thinking about this, a drop in style case would be ideal, but of course would only work if the PCB/Plate supports it. Having a case with a top and bottom shell is not quite as simple to make happen - at least not for me.

[trenzafeeds]

If one does get the Cobra, would you simply be able to trim the plate/PCB to remove the unwanted area, or are those traces needed for other connectivity?

I think that was rather the point, seeing as the viper was the same way. Not sure though, I wouldn't be snapping mine anyways.

Also, for full disclosure, there was talk about making cases in this style (and others) in my thread. In thinking about this, a drop in style case would be ideal, but of course would only work if the PCB/Plate supports it. Having a case with a top and bottom shell is not quite as simple to make happen - at least not for me.

****ing awesome. I would totally buy one of these, no question at all.

[azhdar]

On the Cobra PCB/Plate, that will have a full bottom row? Not like the actual Viper? Just trying to understand how a case would work. If one does get the Cobra, would you simply be able to trim the plate/PCB to remove the unwanted area, or are those traces needed for other connectivity?

I'm interested in the Cobra, but not if I can't get a case in the style I'm after. Also, for full disclosure, there was talk about making cases in this style (and others) in my thread. In thinking about this, a drop in style case would be ideal, but of course would only work if the PCB/Plate supports it. Having a case with a top and bottom shell is not quite as simple to make happen - at least not for me.

This got discussed with leeku, there will be 2 differents pcb.
Viper & eagle was a single pcb because there wasn't so many bottom rows so it didn't get on the way.

For you case project it's totally doable to use a "non-cut" 60% pcb to achieve hhkb layout. The winkeyless.kr hhkb case are done like that . ( check my collection in my signature, I have one if you have never seen it).

Regarding this project no work as been put into it lately as leeku is still busy, I still plan to realise it. No timeframe sadly :x

[Hypersphere]

I just now discovered the Duck Viper. I posted an IC for someone (other than myself) starting a new GB for the kit, and I was referred to your IC for just the PCB and Plate. You option appears to be the viable one, and I am interested.

My motivation is that my favorite form factor is 60% and my favorite layout is HHKB, but I am looking for a way to accommodate switches other than just Topre into such a keyboard. In particular, I am interested in Alps (and clones, such as Matias) and the relatively new mx clone, the Purple Zealio switches.

To summarize:

Layout: HHKB with split Right Shift (1.75 + 1.00) OR Eagle/Standard 60%, but with split Right Shift (1.75 + 1.00). However, I could live with a completely standard layout with the conventional 2.75 Right Shift and 1.25 mods on the bottom row.

Switches: Alps/Matias and/or Cherry mx (Zealio)

Stabilizers: Prefer plate-mounted Costar-type, but I could work with whatever goes with the Viper/Eagle plates and PCBs.

Plate Finish: Matte black preferred, but open to other finish types.

Case Compatibility: Standard, such as TEX 60% CNC case. Would want the Alps and Cherry Plates/PCBs to be compatible.

LEDs: I would prefer not to have LEDs.

Thanks for organizing this.

[azhdar]

I just now discovered the Duck Viper. I posted an IC for someone (other than myself) starting a new GB for the kit, and I was referred to your IC for just the PCB and Plate. You option appears to be the viable one, and I am interested.

My motivation is that my favorite form factor is 60% and my favorite layout is HHKB, but I am looking for a way to accommodate switches other than just Topre into such a keyboard. In particular, I am interested in Alps (and clones, such as Matias) and the relatively new mx clone, the Purple Zealio switches.

To summarize:

Layout: HHKB with split Right Shift (1.75 + 1.00) OR Eagle/Standard 60%, but with split Right Shift (1.75 + 1.00). However, I could live with a completely standard layout with the conventional 2.75 Right Shift and 1.25 mods on the bottom row.

Switches: Alps/Matias and/or Cherry mx (Zealio)

Stabilizers: Prefer plate-mounted Costar-type, but I could work with whatever goes with the Viper/Eagle plates and PCBs.

Plate Finish: Matte black preferred, but open to other finish types.

Case Compatibility: Standard, such as TEX 60% CNC case. Would want the Alps and Cherry Plates/PCBs to be compatible.

LEDs: I would prefer not to have LEDs.

Thanks for organizing this.

Hey I read your thread about Duck Viper kit, I'm not sure what you want to achieve with this since it has been run already and Duck isn't known for his reruns.

Anyway to answers your question:

Layout : https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=74953.msg1897609#msg1897609

Switches: never though of Alps, I'll check with leeku if it possible I know he had mx+ALps on his 3000 pcb so it should be possible.

Stabilizers: will be cherry pcb mounted, no discussion on this point.

Plate finish: will be stainless steel plate, up to you to paint it or w/e

Case compatibily: it's being designed to have duck standoffs + standard 60% standoff to fit both type of case.

You'll find more information in the topic.


And to update people that are looking forward for this: I should have a Viper in my hands in about a week or so, I'll try my best to speed this up. And I'll repeat, this will happen.