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Re: Alps Appreciation Thread
« Reply #1350 on: Tue, 19 April 2016, 17:15:22 »
I'll have to give a more thorough review some time, but for now the M0116 can't be used as I don't have the converter. I can pretend to type on it (all the switches are exceptionally sturdy and smooth), but I plan on harvesting them for a Clueboard, so that's when I'll do my final thoughts!  :p

I think a Clueboard sounds like an excellent candidate to start your Alps journey (and a fantastic endgame choice as well; I know a lot of people like FC660s).

The S doesn't come with Alps, or does it?

I think the FC660 is Cherry MX and Topre only, but with skully's Clueboard PCB you can use Alps. Plus, fully programmable!

That's cool, didn't knew that.

So much to find out and to try still... I've only scratched the surface or so it seems.

Leave before it's too late!  :))

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Re: Alps Appreciation Thread
« Reply #1351 on: Tue, 19 April 2016, 17:17:48 »
That's cool, didn't knew that.

So much to find out and to try still... I've only scratched the surface or so it seems.

Leave before it's too late!  :))

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Re: Alps Appreciation Thread
« Reply #1352 on: Tue, 19 April 2016, 17:30:31 »
I started with blue Alps, and then the second switch I tried was Alps SKCM Orange on an AEK. I've always run along the more difficult to find switches and have stayed away from the most common ones, like SKCM White, Black, and Damped, though I do have those now. The only board-wide switch (switches that aren't just space bar switches) that I don't have is SKCM Cream, and I'm not all that interested in them, but I might go through some NeXT boards to find some eventually.

As people on DT call it, the Alps Vortex is ferocious and unforgiving! Beware!

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Re: Alps Appreciation Thread
« Reply #1353 on: Tue, 19 April 2016, 17:33:13 »
I started with blue Alps, and then the second switch I tried was Alps SKCM Orange on an AEK. I've always run along the more difficult to find switches and have stayed away from the most common ones, like SKCM White, Black, and Damped, though I do have those now. The only board-wide switch (switches that aren't just space bar switches) that I don't have is SKCM Cream, and I'm not all that interested in them, but I might go through some NeXT boards to find some eventually.

As people on DT call it, the Alps Vortex is ferocious and unforgiving! Beware!

So Alps is your end-game I suppose? Never into MX / Topre?
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Re: Alps Appreciation Thread
« Reply #1354 on: Tue, 19 April 2016, 18:37:16 »
I started with blue Alps, and then the second switch I tried was Alps SKCM Orange on an AEK. I've always run along the more difficult to find switches and have stayed away from the most common ones, like SKCM White, Black, and Damped, though I do have those now. The only board-wide switch (switches that aren't just space bar switches) that I don't have is SKCM Cream, and I'm not all that interested in them, but I might go through some NeXT boards to find some eventually.

As people on DT call it, the Alps Vortex is ferocious and unforgiving! Beware!

I have always found the NeXT boards cool. Black Alps-made Doubleshots. Thicker than their dyesubs I believe.

I started with SKCM Black on a Alps MCL-101, then a V60 Matias Click, AEKII, Zenith Z-150, SGI Granite, then finally my FK-3001. I bought SKCM Oranges to swap my SGI. Kinda of a unique path, but done at the cheaply as possible. Never spent more than $70 on a vintage board. Not bad  ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
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Re: Alps Appreciation Thread
« Reply #1355 on: Tue, 19 April 2016, 19:24:13 »
It took a while for them to grow on me, but I think SKCL Greens are becoming a top contender for my favorite linear, and I rarely even type on them. My Zenith is sitting to the right of my desk while I've been IBM'ing it up since my USB adapter is at work on my Mini. Every once and a while I reach over and think to myself "damn, probably about time to bring the Mini home and the Zenith to work"

They really are just so smooth and have such a pleasant force curve and travel distance. I think my new lust is a brass-bottomed 60% with GMK-thickness ABS caps, SKCL Greens, and an acrylic plate. Sounds like I need to learn CAD...

Are there any really thick ABS ALPs-compatible caps out there? The ones on my Zenith are horribly thin.
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Re: Alps Appreciation Thread
« Reply #1356 on: Tue, 19 April 2016, 19:28:28 »
It took a while for them to grow on me, but I think SKCL Greens are becoming a top contender for my favorite linear, and I rarely even type on them. My Zenith is sitting to the right of my desk while I've been IBM'ing it up since my USB adapter is at work on my Mini. Every once and a while I reach over and think to myself "damn, probably about time to bring the Mini home and the Zenith to work"

They really are just so smooth and have such a pleasant force curve and travel distance. I think my new lust is a brass-bottomed 60% with GMK-thickness ABS caps, SKCL Greens, and an acrylic plate. Sounds like I need to learn CAD...

Are there any really thick ABS ALPs-compatible caps out there? The ones on my Zenith are horribly thin.
Alps themselves made some fairly thick ABS doubleshots. However, Honeywell-calibre Alps caps don't exist AFAIK.

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Re: Alps Appreciation Thread
« Reply #1357 on: Tue, 19 April 2016, 19:39:19 »
Alps themselves made some fairly thick ABS doubleshots. However, Honeywell-calibre Alps caps don't exist AFAIK.

I use my ZKB-2R at work, it's a great work keyboard even despite being linear :D .

Yeah Honeywell-thickness would be extreme, GMK is a nice weight to me. I suppose SP's DCS is the modern standard then. Pity, maybe JTK will venture into ANSI ALPs territory in the future.
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Re: Alps Appreciation Thread
« Reply #1358 on: Tue, 19 April 2016, 19:47:16 »
The thickest ABS “standard mount” Alps keycaps are the sculpted spherical ones from the mid-80s.


Some pics of the bottoms from Parak:



Definitely not as thick as Honeywell caps, or even Alps tee-mount caps, but pretty sturdy.

In general, Alps dyesubs are pretty thick. My favorites are the ones from a couple C.Itoh keyboards.

Here are some pics from HaaTa: https://www.flickr.com/photos/triplehaata/sets/72157663966300963/



The ones from Apple keyboards are also great though.
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Re: Alps Appreciation Thread
« Reply #1359 on: Tue, 19 April 2016, 20:44:11 »
The thickest ABS “standard mount” Alps keycaps are the sculpted spherical ones from the mid-80s.
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Some pics of the bottoms from Parak:
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Definitely not as thick as Honeywell caps, or even Alps tee-mount caps, but pretty sturdy.

In general, Alps dyesubs are pretty thick. My favorites are the ones from a couple C.Itoh keyboards.

Here are some pics from HaaTa: https://www.flickr.com/photos/triplehaata/sets/72157663966300963/
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The ones from Apple keyboards are also great though.

Ah, from old Canon typewriters. Those are cool :)

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Re: Alps Appreciation Thread
« Reply #1360 on: Tue, 19 April 2016, 23:36:54 »
It took a while for them to grow on me, but I think SKCL Greens are becoming a top contender for my favorite linear, and I rarely even type on them. My Zenith is sitting to the right of my desk while I've been IBM'ing it up since my USB adapter is at work on my Mini. Every once and a while I reach over and think to myself "damn, probably about time to bring the Mini home and the Zenith to work"

They really are just so smooth and have such a pleasant force curve and travel distance. I think my new lust is a brass-bottomed 60% with GMK-thickness ABS caps, SKCL Greens, and an acrylic plate. Sounds like I need to learn CAD...

Are there any really thick ABS ALPs-compatible caps out there? The ones on my Zenith are horribly thin.

If you want the closest equivalent to GMK caps in the Alps world, try to find a later model FAME TH-5539, as these have some very convincing Cherry profile/clone key caps that look pretty much just like Cherry doubleshots. Only thing is that they come with a BAE and short right shift, so you might have to work some magic if you want to use ANSI with those caps.

Alps-made doubleshots and PBT are fine caps though, and I really enjoy typing on either example. As Mattr shows, they actually are quite thick, it's just that they do not have uniform thicknesses for each side so some sides can be somewhat thin while others are quite thick. I measured the DS caps with a caliper and compared them to GMK and they're very close aside from the thin side of the cap.
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Re: Alps Appreciation Thread
« Reply #1361 on: Wed, 20 April 2016, 04:34:30 »
Here is a NeXT key
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Now THAT is a VERY Thick key! It must sound dead quiet or low pitched. Do you have a board with the whole set or the original NeXT keyboard?
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Re: Alps Appreciation Thread
« Reply #1362 on: Wed, 20 April 2016, 04:45:45 »
Alps doubleshots are cool, I've a board with some pretty funky ones on them you'll see sometime down the line ^^ .
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Re: Alps Appreciation Thread
« Reply #1363 on: Wed, 20 April 2016, 06:32:20 »
No, the NeXT boards are pretty loud, like any non-damped Alps keyboard with ABS keycaps. If you want quiet, you should get an AEK II or SGI AT101.

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Re: Alps Appreciation Thread
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Re: Alps Appreciation Thread
« Reply #1365 on: Wed, 20 April 2016, 13:35:23 »
I have a next, and while it is quieter than some other boards, it is definitely much louder than a damped keyboard.
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Re: Alps Appreciation Thread
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Re: Alps Appreciation Thread
« Reply #1367 on: Wed, 20 April 2016, 18:59:12 »
Bought 4x IBM 5140's. I will be building up a Leeku ALPhas L3 pcb in AEK layout for my LZ-GH soon. Can't wait to get in the PCB's :thumb:

How? Did you just buy the boards? How much was it?

It had to happen.

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Oh, here we go. This is gonna be a fun ride ;)
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Re: Alps Appreciation Thread
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Re: Alps Appreciation Thread
« Reply #1370 on: Wed, 20 April 2016, 20:41:58 »
Bought 4x IBM 5140's. I will be building up a Leeku ALPhas L3 pcb in AEK layout for my LZ-GH soon. Can't wait to get in the PCB's :thumb:
How? Did you just buy the boards? How much was it?

all from eBay seller.  Prices ranged from $20-65 each :) :thumb:

I saw on reddit you recently picked up a Sharp typewriter. How did it turn out? Delicious Green Alps or no?

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Re: Alps Appreciation Thread
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Re: Alps Appreciation Thread
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Re: Alps Appreciation Thread
« Reply #1373 on: Wed, 20 April 2016, 21:57:20 »
Guys, these caps may be ABS but they are really sweet.  http://www.ebay.com/itm/Acer-6311-KW-Mechanical-Vintage-Keyboard-/301933595824?hash=item464ca50cb0:g:irYAAOSwD2pXFUed

I love the texture and feel of them.  They are also dyesub too!  I recommend these as a great cheap set of ANSI alps caps.

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Re: Alps Appreciation Thread
« Reply #1375 on: Wed, 20 April 2016, 22:59:28 »
The 6511 has similar caps, except the stabilizers are weird on larger keys and fit nothing.
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Re: Alps Appreciation Thread
« Reply #1376 on: Thu, 21 April 2016, 00:30:29 »
It had to happen.

Party On!

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Oh, here we go. This is gonna be a fun ride ;)

Yeeeeah, noooo.

 :))
Funny thing too, I was watching Scream last night, and noticed the same typewriter at the school just before this guy gets slayed :thumb:

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Nice find. Not all those use SKCM's btw. I've searched craigslist for these and have come across Green SKCC's and Tactile SMK's  (inverse cross mount).

Bought 4x IBM 5140's. I will be building up a Leeku ALPhas L3 pcb in AEK layout for my LZ-GH soon. Can't wait to get in the PCB's :thumb:
How? Did you just buy the boards? How much was it?

all from eBay seller.  Prices ranged from $20-65 each :) :thumb:

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Re: Alps Appreciation Thread
« Reply #1377 on: Thu, 21 April 2016, 00:34:18 »
Now that I finally got my desktop running again, I needed a new board to use with it. Chose one of my Sharp X68000s and I have to say that SKCL Greens grow on you the more you use them. I've never been much on linear but these are great and they are so much quieter too. Unfortunately I'm missing a key so I had to use one of my Tai Hao caps until I find a more suitable replacement.




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Re: Alps Appreciation Thread
« Reply #1378 on: Thu, 21 April 2016, 20:38:10 »
Waiting on KBP v60 blue Alps boad. :-X :-X After 5 months of painful waiting. The pain is becoming unbearable. Going to invest in some nice sleeved usbs and a nice carry case.
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Re: Alps Appreciation Thread
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Re: Alps Appreciation Thread
« Reply #1380 on: Fri, 22 April 2016, 02:49:48 »
I'll just leave this here.   Wonderful switches, really prefer these to MX (except Zealios).

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Re: Alps Appreciation Thread
« Reply #1381 on: Fri, 22 April 2016, 03:18:54 »
Are they salmons? The white balance seems a bit off in the picture? Nice board though :) .
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Re: Alps Appreciation Thread
« Reply #1382 on: Fri, 22 April 2016, 09:22:07 »
Looks like they might be Amber.
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Re: Alps Appreciation Thread
« Reply #1383 on: Fri, 22 April 2016, 09:43:07 »
Are they salmons? The white balance seems a bit off in the picture? Nice board though :) .

Looks like they might be Amber.
They're salmon. He cross-posted this from the Alps Party thread. https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=75491.msg2148260.msg#2148260

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Re: Alps Appreciation Thread
« Reply #1384 on: Fri, 22 April 2016, 09:59:27 »
They are Salmons harvested from an Apple Standard Keyboard (M0116).

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Re: Alps Appreciation Thread
« Reply #1385 on: Fri, 22 April 2016, 10:04:09 »
Cool, and you prefer Zealios to them? Damn, sounds like I'm going to have to give those a try sometime Oo .
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Re: Alps Appreciation Thread
« Reply #1386 on: Fri, 22 April 2016, 12:24:36 »
HMM.  I love my salmon switches. (typing on them right now).  It sounds like I may have to get a hold of some zealios as well at some point.


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Re: Alps Appreciation Thread
« Reply #1387 on: Fri, 22 April 2016, 13:10:48 »
Bought 4x IBM 5140's. I will be building up a Leeku ALPhas L3 pcb in AEK layout for my LZ-GH soon. Can't wait to get in the PCB's :thumb:
How? Did you just buy the boards? How much was it?

all from eBay seller.  Prices ranged from $20-65 each :) :thumb:

I saw on reddit you recently picked up a Sharp typewriter. How did it turn out? Delicious Green Alps or no?

I asked the seller first to confirm, but yes.  67 green alps for $25 shipped :)

Will need more parts to make a 60%

What type of old typewritters have alps switches? I'll have to keep an eye out for them clearly at that price. Dying to get some green alps too, that's a great buy

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Re: Alps Appreciation Thread
« Reply #1388 on: Fri, 22 April 2016, 14:36:04 »


I love my Omnikey 102.
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Re: Alps Appreciation Thread
« Reply #1389 on: Fri, 22 April 2016, 17:11:58 »
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I love my Omnikey 102.

Northgate keyboards are honestly the best keyboards I ever owned, I really regret selling my mint omnikey ultra. I've never has a 102 though, what's that touch button fucntion row like?

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Re: Alps Appreciation Thread
« Reply #1390 on: Fri, 22 April 2016, 17:16:00 »
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I love my Omnikey 102.

Northgate keyboards are honestly the best keyboards I ever owned, I really regret selling my mint omnikey ultra. I've never has a 102 though, what's that touch button fucntion row like?

I think that is just a label for people who need to jot down what the function keys do for particular programs or something.

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Re: Alps Appreciation Thread
« Reply #1391 on: Fri, 22 April 2016, 17:21:43 »
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I love my Omnikey 102.

Northgate keyboards are honestly the best keyboards I ever owned, I really regret selling my mint omnikey ultra. I've never has a 102 though, what's that touch button fucntion row like?

I think that is just a label for people who need to jot down what the function keys do for particular programs or something.

haha wow I always though those were the old school plastic cover push buttons....couldn't have been more wrong

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Re: Alps Appreciation Thread
« Reply #1392 on: Fri, 22 April 2016, 17:23:45 »
haha wow I always though those were the old school plastic cover push buttons....couldn't have been more wrong

Yeah, you made me have to do a double-take on that and look up some info, haha. It does seem that it's just a label though, but I totally see how you might think that.

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Re: Alps Appreciation Thread
« Reply #1393 on: Fri, 22 April 2016, 18:05:20 »
I think there are actually holes in the plate under the cover.  In one version of this board there are more function keys where that cover is.

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Re: Alps Appreciation Thread
« Reply #1394 on: Sun, 24 April 2016, 00:19:50 »
All this talk of SKCM Orange made me bring out my SGI Granite, which I swapped w/ SKCM Orange jacked from a AEK a while back. Forgot how good these were. As a result I cleaned all the switches today. Very tedious but worth it. Thinking about it, I have cleaned about 400 Alps switches at this point :eek:

BTW the reason I didn't just buy a AEK is because of the changing of the home row bumps to D/K. It always screwed me up on my old AEKII. Moving the keycaps around just aggravated me for whatever reason.
Wang 725-3770 SKCM Brown, 1995
Zenith 163-73 - SKCM Blue, 1990
KBP V60 MTS - SKCM Amber w/ Canon HiPros
IBM P77, SKCC Green, 1984
IBM P70 - Alps Plate Spring, 1989
Compaq MX 11800, MX Black, 1997

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Re: Alps Appreciation Thread
« Reply #1395 on: Sun, 24 April 2016, 00:27:32 »
All this talk of SKCM Orange made me bring out my SGI Granite, which I swapped w/ SKCM Orange jacked from a AEK a while back. Forgot how good these were. As a result I cleaned all the switches today. Very tedious but worth it. Thinking about it, I have cleaned about 400 Alps switches at this point :eek:

BTW the reason I didn't just buy a AEK is because of the changing of the home row bumps to D/K. It always screwed me up on my old AEKII. Moving the keycaps around just aggravated me for whatever reason.

My M0116 was the first time I had homing bumps on D and K. Had no idea that was a thing, and took me a while to get adjusted.

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Re: Alps Appreciation Thread
« Reply #1396 on: Sun, 24 April 2016, 01:11:01 »
All this talk of SKCM Orange made me bring out my SGI Granite, which I swapped w/ SKCM Orange jacked from a AEK a while back. Forgot how good these were. As a result I cleaned all the switches today. Very tedious but worth it. Thinking about it, I have cleaned about 400 Alps switches at this point :eek:

BTW the reason I didn't just buy a AEK is because of the changing of the home row bumps to D/K. It always screwed me up on my old AEKII. Moving the keycaps around just aggravated me for whatever reason.

My M0116 was the first time I had homing bumps on D and K. Had no idea that was a thing, and took me a while to get adjusted.

I eventually got adjusted to my old AEKII as well, but my typing speed was still affected.
Wang 725-3770 SKCM Brown, 1995
Zenith 163-73 - SKCM Blue, 1990
KBP V60 MTS - SKCM Amber w/ Canon HiPros
IBM P77, SKCC Green, 1984
IBM P70 - Alps Plate Spring, 1989
Compaq MX 11800, MX Black, 1997

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Re: Alps Appreciation Thread
« Reply #1397 on: Sun, 24 April 2016, 15:29:22 »
Btw you guys are going to see something pretty cool in two weeks or so, I think :D .
Check my keyboard video reviews:


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Re: Alps Appreciation Thread
« Reply #1398 on: Sun, 24 April 2016, 17:56:49 »
Btw you guys are going to see something pretty cool in two weeks or so, I think :D .

Yay! Always look forward to your videos.
Wang 725-3770 SKCM Brown, 1995
Zenith 163-73 - SKCM Blue, 1990
KBP V60 MTS - SKCM Amber w/ Canon HiPros
IBM P77, SKCC Green, 1984
IBM P70 - Alps Plate Spring, 1989
Compaq MX 11800, MX Black, 1997

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Re: Alps Appreciation Thread
« Reply #1399 on: Sun, 24 April 2016, 17:58:24 »
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