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Offline E3E

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Re: Alps Appreciation Thread
« Reply #4450 on: Thu, 10 November 2016, 13:22:25 »
Read about the great project by E3E on a hot-swappable Duck Eagle PCB based Alps board.
And then I realized there are only a handful of PCB offerings for Alps switches, not to mention the possibility of plates and cases.

What will be the possibility to build a 75% Alps board completed with case and key set?
Do I have to source for Korea's Duck0113 again?

:)

Unfortunately, we still have no offerings for 75% Alps keyboards. It's been something I've been looking out for for a while, but alas, nothing so far. The closest thing to an Alps 75% we have is the VE.A.

Your building log is an asset to GH for Alps beginners.
Please keep us posted as I may miss details of many IC / GB out there.

After I've harvested enough Alps switches from the great boards of the old days, I want to build a 75% hot-swappable as 75% is my most comfortable layout, coming from a ThinkPad. Will definitely build a 60% for sure - I have been thinking about Alps64 PCB by Hasu but I really hope he can add LED support to the board soon, Hasu's probably super busy with many things though.

I'm glad it's such an asset to you! If you need help with hot swap modifying a PCB in the future, I'm always here to help.

Yes, what you described would be awesome though, a hot-swappable 75% with backlighting. Most people who design Alps PCBs don't focus on the backlighting aspect. The only PCBs that have it across the keys are PCBs that also have Cherry MX compatibility.

So it's not even really intended for Alps, but it can be made to work for it. The other main issue with backlighting is that you will almost certainly need to drill LED holes in the switches for the legs to pass through since linear Alps did not come standard with the holes on the bottom housing for LEDs. Matias is an exception since it has transparent housings, so that is the easier route if you want backlighting, but you would still need a proper PCB for it. The Infinity v2 PCB is an option there for 60%s.

It's a process, but it really makes you appreciate the keybaord even more so after it's done and functional!

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Re: Alps Appreciation Thread
« Reply #4451 on: Thu, 10 November 2016, 14:00:05 »
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Read about the great project by E3E on a hot-swappable Duck Eagle PCB based Alps board.
And then I realized there are only a handful of PCB offerings for Alps switches, not to mention the possibility of plates and cases.

What will be the possibility to build a 75% Alps board completed with case and key set?
Do I have to source for Korea's Duck0113 again?

:)

Unfortunately, we still have no offerings for 75% Alps keyboards. It's been something I've been looking out for for a while, but alas, nothing so far. The closest thing to an Alps 75% we have is the VE.A.

Your building log is an asset to GH for Alps beginners.
Please keep us posted as I may miss details of many IC / GB out there.

After I've harvested enough Alps switches from the great boards of the old days, I want to build a 75% hot-swappable as 75% is my most comfortable layout, coming from a ThinkPad. Will definitely build a 60% for sure - I have been thinking about Alps64 PCB by Hasu but I really hope he can add LED support to the board soon, Hasu's probably super busy with many things though.

I'm glad it's such an asset to you! If you need help with hot swap modifying a PCB in the future, I'm always here to help.

Yes, what you described would be awesome though, a hot-swappable 75% with backlighting. Most people who design Alps PCBs don't focus on the backlighting aspect. The only PCBs that have it across the keys are PCBs that also have Cherry MX compatibility.

So it's not even really intended for Alps, but it can be made to work for it. The other main issue with backlighting is that you will almost certainly need to drill LED holes in the switches for the legs to pass through since linear Alps did not come standard with the holes on the bottom housing for LEDs. Matias is an exception since it has transparent housings, so that is the easier route if you want backlighting, but you would still need a proper PCB for it. The Infinity v2 PCB is an option there for 60%s.

It's a process, but it really makes you appreciate the keybaord even more so after it's done and functional!

Matias's switches are transparent, so the LEDs can just be mounted on the surface of PCB below the switch? I'm talking about LEDs because I'm thinking about the Green Alps.
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Offline E3E

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Re: Alps Appreciation Thread
« Reply #4452 on: Thu, 10 November 2016, 14:11:32 »
Matias's switches are transparent, so the LEDs can just be mounted on the surface of PCB below the switch? I'm talking about LEDs because I'm thinking about the Green Alps.

Yep, I think so. I'm not sure how the setup would be with SMD LEDs, but there is an example of Duck showing his Duck Mini v2, which was pretty much the predecessor of the Eagle with LEDs bent backwards under the PCB to shine through the holes that are used for the MX stem wells.

If you have the patience, it's not too hard to modify SKCL Green bottom housings for LEDs. You can even do it without taking apart the switch! You just need a small pin vise and drill bit for it and you can do it easily.

Both Mattr and I have done this for backlit builds, though I think Mattr's project got screwed because of the V60 being a pain to desolder.

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Re: Alps Appreciation Thread
« Reply #4453 on: Thu, 10 November 2016, 16:38:14 »
This should be the poster child for dirty Alps.


Wang 725-3770 SKCM Brown, 1995
Zenith 163-73 - SKCM Blue, 1990
KBP V60 MTS - SKCM Amber w/ Canon HiPros
IBM P77, SKCC Green, 1984
IBM P70 - Alps Plate Spring, 1989
Compaq MX 11800, MX Black, 1997

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Re: Alps Appreciation Thread
« Reply #4454 on: Thu, 10 November 2016, 16:41:34 »
Disgusting!

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Re: Alps Appreciation Thread
« Reply #4455 on: Thu, 10 November 2016, 16:45:26 »

This should be the poster child for dirty Alps.


Nasty! My photo might be the "dirty but still redeemable - with some work" version.
"The Trump campaign announced in a letter that Republican candidates and committees are now expected to pay “a minimum of 5% of all fundraising solicitations to Trump National Committee JFC” for using his “name, image, and likeness in fundraising solicitations.”
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Re: Alps Appreciation Thread
« Reply #4456 on: Thu, 10 November 2016, 16:49:58 »

This should be the poster child for dirty Alps.


Nasty! My photo might be the "dirty but still redeemable - with some work" version.
Is that out of a dc-2014? Were the switches clean atleast?

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Re: Alps Appreciation Thread
« Reply #4457 on: Thu, 10 November 2016, 16:58:39 »
This should be the poster child for dirty Alps.
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They're like homeless Alps switches.

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Re: Alps Appreciation Thread
« Reply #4458 on: Thu, 10 November 2016, 17:06:16 »

This should be the poster child for dirty Alps.


Nasty! My photo might be the "dirty but still redeemable - with some work" version.

Well I'm sending these to E3E for an ultrasonic cleaning. Redeemable we'll see. I've already done work on them. Cleanish but an ultrasonic will get to those tight spaces I can't. There not super smooth and a few bind a bit.

What's hilarious is those switches that are stuck down in those pics aren't broken, there simply stuck down from all the gunk that's inside them. You could use a small screw driver to lift the slider back up and when you pressed it down they would stick again. That's how bad it was.
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Zenith 163-73 - SKCM Blue, 1990
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IBM P70 - Alps Plate Spring, 1989
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Re: Alps Appreciation Thread
« Reply #4459 on: Thu, 10 November 2016, 17:12:44 »
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Re: Alps Appreciation Thread
« Reply #4460 on: Thu, 10 November 2016, 17:25:41 »
I look forward to further reports on how well those poster-child dirty blue Alps perform after ultrasonic cleaning! You might turn a fire hose on them first and follow up with the ultrasound.

Now that I've spent more time with my KBP V60 boards, one with the Matiblu hybrids and the other with unmodified Matias Click switches, I find that I prefer typing on the unmodified Matias Click switches. My speed and accuracy are also better on the Matias Clicks. They provide a more precise feel. The Matiblu switches are certainly quieter and they are also lighter -- perhaps too light.

I have 4 Matias-switch V60s that were purchased in 2014 and 2015. I have had no problems with them and they are still going strong.


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Re: Alps Appreciation Thread
« Reply #4461 on: Thu, 10 November 2016, 17:54:05 »
This should be the poster child for dirty Alps.
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Re: Alps Appreciation Thread
« Reply #4462 on: Thu, 10 November 2016, 19:21:32 »

These were pretty ****:


Those are better than at least 2/3 of the keyboards that I have bought on ebay.
"The Trump campaign announced in a letter that Republican candidates and committees are now expected to pay “a minimum of 5% of all fundraising solicitations to Trump National Committee JFC” for using his “name, image, and likeness in fundraising solicitations.”
“Any split that is higher than 5%,” the letter states, “will be seen favorably by the RNC and President Trump's campaign and is routinely reported to the highest levels of leadership within both organizations.”"

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Re: Alps Appreciation Thread
« Reply #4463 on: Thu, 10 November 2016, 21:11:03 »
This should be the poster child for dirty Alps.
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Yeah, I don't think that those would be.... representative xD .

That said, I once found an AT102W with fluff everywhere reaching all the way to the top of the housing... AND it had drowned xD .
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Re: Alps Appreciation Thread
« Reply #4464 on: Thu, 10 November 2016, 21:22:13 »
They're like homeless Alps switches.
Kicked to the Chinese curb so to speak? Lol. If these switches could talk they would have a story to tell indeed.
Yeah, I don't think that those would be.... representative xD .

That said, I once found an AT102W with fluff everywhere reaching all the way to the top of the housing... AND it had drowned xD .
They will be after ultrasonic lol :p

The ultimate test of how far gone a Alps switch can truly go.
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Zenith 163-73 - SKCM Blue, 1990
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Re: Alps Appreciation Thread
« Reply #4465 on: Thu, 10 November 2016, 21:22:25 »
Also getting my Zenith tomorrow! :D
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Re: Alps Appreciation Thread
« Reply #4466 on: Thu, 10 November 2016, 21:27:29 »
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Re: Alps Appreciation Thread
« Reply #4467 on: Fri, 11 November 2016, 02:19:45 »
http://www.ebay.com/itm/MAI-BASIC-FOUR-Information-Rare-Vintage-Keyboard-4313/191995061736?_trksid=p2047675.c100005.m1851&_trkparms=aid%3D222007%26algo%3DSIC.MBE%26ao%3D1%26asc%3D39007%26meid%3D5371405d9e37443ba19472b7b4b472bd%26pid%3D100005%26rk%3D6%26rkt%3D6%26sd%3D112166410300
What do you guys think? Im thinking SKCL greens or something foam and foil.

I bought this board because I couldn't find any information on it and I was curious about it. It has some pretty nice dyesub PBT caps and Fujitsu Leaf Spring Clicky 3rd generation switches. It has a very soft click that is really quiet and the travel distance seems shorter than I'm used to.. I'm going to see if I can fix the stabilizer on it and get it working:D

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Re: Alps Appreciation Thread
« Reply #4468 on: Fri, 11 November 2016, 06:24:31 »
http://www.ebay.com/itm/MAI-BASIC-FOUR-Information-Rare-Vintage-Keyboard-4313/191995061736?_trksid=p2047675.c100005.m1851&_trkparms=aid%3D222007%26algo%3DSIC.MBE%26ao%3D1%26asc%3D39007%26meid%3D5371405d9e37443ba19472b7b4b472bd%26pid%3D100005%26rk%3D6%26rkt%3D6%26sd%3D112166410300
What do you guys think? Im thinking SKCL greens or something foam and foil.

I bought this board because I couldn't find any information on it and I was curious about it. It has some pretty nice dyesub PBT caps and Fujitsu Leaf Spring Clicky 3rd generation switches. It has a very soft click that is really quiet and the travel distance seems shorter than I'm used to.. I'm going to see if I can fix the stabilizer on it and get it working:D
Good to know for the future. Interesting board! not sure if there are any converters available, do you know what protocol it uses?

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Re: Alps Appreciation Thread
« Reply #4469 on: Fri, 11 November 2016, 07:24:16 »
"The Trump campaign announced in a letter that Republican candidates and committees are now expected to pay “a minimum of 5% of all fundraising solicitations to Trump National Committee JFC” for using his “name, image, and likeness in fundraising solicitations.”
“Any split that is higher than 5%,” the letter states, “will be seen favorably by the RNC and President Trump's campaign and is routinely reported to the highest levels of leadership within both organizations.”"

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Re: Alps Appreciation Thread
« Reply #4470 on: Fri, 11 November 2016, 08:04:30 »

with fluff everywhere reaching all the way to the top of the housing...


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Re: Alps Appreciation Thread
« Reply #4471 on: Fri, 11 November 2016, 08:40:41 »
Any suggestions for stabilizing spacebars? I put a Tai-Hao spacebar onto my Alps party 60% build ant it rattles like crazy. It can move so much that it hits the case or the upper row.
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Re: Alps Appreciation Thread
« Reply #4472 on: Fri, 11 November 2016, 08:55:11 »
@ctm: Is the spacebar 6.25x? Does it have dual receptacles on each side for Cherry-mount stabilizer inserts? Which positions are you using -- those closest to the center or those farther away? I would recommend using the mounts that are a greater distance from the center and using a stabilizer wire to match. Then, lube the stabilizer clips and inserts with grease. You can also put some adhesive foam strips inside the spacebar to deaden it, and put thin foam strips on the plate where the spacebar inserts hit the plate. Finally, if you don't mind modding a switch, you can put a slider from a Matias Quiet switch in the spacebar switch -- this will make the spacebar much quieter if the original switch is not already damped.


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Re: Alps Appreciation Thread
« Reply #4473 on: Fri, 11 November 2016, 09:02:31 »
@ctm: Is the spacebar 6.25x? Does it have dual receptacles on each side for Cherry-mount stabilizer inserts? Which positions are you using -- those closest to the center or those farther away? I would recommend using the mounts that are a greater distance from the center and using a stabilizer wire to match. Then, lube the stabilizer clips and inserts with grease. You can also put some adhesive foam strips inside the spacebar to deaden it, and put thin foam strips on the plate where the spacebar inserts hit the plate. Finally, if you don't mind modding a switch, you can put a slider from a Matias Quiet switch in the spacebar switch -- this will make the spacebar much quieter if the original switch is not already damped.
Thanks a lot. My spacebar is a 6.25x Taihao with Cherry mount on sides. I am using the the further Cherry stab insert and I have lubed the wire. My biggest problem is not the sound but the degree it can rotate. I think this might be due to the lack of plunger like in vintage alps.
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Re: Alps Appreciation Thread
« Reply #4474 on: Fri, 11 November 2016, 09:09:14 »
@ctm: I have had good luck using both 6.25x and 7.00x spacebars from Matias, along with their clips, inserts, and stabilizer wires. These spacebars do not have vertical stabilizing posts, but I have had no problems with the stability of the spacebars.

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Re: Alps Appreciation Thread
« Reply #4475 on: Fri, 11 November 2016, 13:11:33 »
http://www.ebay.com/itm/MAI-BASIC-FOUR-Information-Rare-Vintage-Keyboard-4313/191995061736?_trksid=p2047675.c100005.m1851&_trkparms=aid%3D222007%26algo%3DSIC.MBE%26ao%3D1%26asc%3D39007%26meid%3D5371405d9e37443ba19472b7b4b472bd%26pid%3D100005%26rk%3D6%26rkt%3D6%26sd%3D112166410300
What do you guys think? Im thinking SKCL greens or something foam and foil.

I bought this board because I couldn't find any information on it and I was curious about it. It has some pretty nice dyesub PBT caps and Fujitsu Leaf Spring Clicky 3rd generation switches. It has a very soft click that is really quiet and the travel distance seems shorter than I'm used to.. I'm going to see if I can fix the stabilizer on it and get it working:D
Good to know for the future. Interesting board! not sure if there are any converters available, do you know what protocol it uses?

I'm not really sure, I'm still learning about it. The connection looks like RJ11 6P6C or 4C. The board belonged to a MAI Basic Four 2000 system whose serial ports were IBM bisync compatible

Heres the manual for the MAI system I've been reading

http://maben.homeip.net/static/S100/MAI/software/MAI%20Basic%20Four%20System%202000%20Service%20Manual.pdf

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Re: Alps Appreciation Thread
« Reply #4476 on: Fri, 11 November 2016, 23:11:26 »
I got my Zenith from Wingpad today and I put a ton of hours into it. Cleaning and swapping. Came out really well. Just needs retrobright and it's done. Used a baking powder + vinegar solution on the case to clean it since it's textured and normal methods aren't very effective at removing grime from the crevices. You can see in the before/after pics how well the baking soda did. After cleaning I then swapped in the SKCL Striped Amber's and Green's. Types beautifully now. The one snag I ran into is with the led's. Turns out in the Z-150 they have them oriented in the opposite direction compared to the ZKB-2/163-73 so at first none of the led's worked since they were backwards lol.
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Wang 725-3770 SKCM Brown, 1995
Zenith 163-73 - SKCM Blue, 1990
KBP V60 MTS - SKCM Amber w/ Canon HiPros
IBM P77, SKCC Green, 1984
IBM P70 - Alps Plate Spring, 1989
Compaq MX 11800, MX Black, 1997

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Re: Alps Appreciation Thread
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Re: Alps Appreciation Thread
« Reply #4478 on: Fri, 11 November 2016, 23:26:32 »
I got my Zenith from Wingpad today and I put a ton of hours into it. Cleaning and swapping. Came out really well. Just needs retrobright and it's done. Used a baking powder + vinegar solution on the case to clean it since it's textured and normal methods aren't very effective at removing grime from the crevices. You can see in the before/after pics how well the baking soda did. After cleaning I then swapped in the SKCL Striped Amber's and Green's. Types beautifully now. The one snag I ran into is with the led's. Turns out in the Z-150 they have them oriented in the opposite direction compared to the ZKB-2/163-73 so at first none of the led's worked since they were backwards lol.
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I love yellow alps

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Re: Alps Appreciation Thread
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Re: Alps Appreciation Thread
« Reply #4480 on: Sat, 12 November 2016, 00:11:27 »
I got my Zenith from Wingpad today and I put a ton of hours into it. Cleaning and swapping. Came out really well. Just needs retrobright and it's done. Used a baking powder + vinegar solution on the case to clean it since it's textured and normal methods aren't very effective at removing grime from the crevices. You can see in the before/after pics how well the baking soda did. After cleaning I then swapped in the SKCL Striped Amber's and Green's. Types beautifully now. The one snag I ran into is with the led's. Turns out in the Z-150 they have them oriented in the opposite direction compared to the ZKB-2/163-73 so at first none of the led's worked since they were backwards lol.
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That board is looks great, going to copy that baking soda vingar method! Rock solid case with dye-subs, a BEEPer and the alps that are among the most obscure in the world. Whats not to like. I hope you find one of those badass lightning Zenith logos, makes you wonder why they switched it to a lame ol' tree.
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Re: Alps Appreciation Thread
« Reply #4481 on: Sat, 12 November 2016, 00:33:03 »
That board is looks great, going to copy that baking soda vingar method! Rock solid case with dye-subs, a BEEPer and the alps that are among the most obscure in the world. Whats not to like. I hope you find one of those badass lightning Zenith logos, makes you wonder why they switched it to a lame ol' tree.
Thanks. It's really fun to use. I've been wanting a solid full size linear board for a while. Yea hopefully I can find an old logo, it would really improve the aesthetic. IRL the tree logo isn't super terrible but I don't like the font on the 'zenith'. Looks like a toy.

For the backing soda method you mix baking soda and water to create a paste and apply it to the plastic. Then create a mixture of two parts water one part white vinegar. After letting the paste sit for a couple minutes dip a cotton ball or something into the vinegar solution and scrub the areas where the backing soda is applied. It should react. Do this until it's clean. Finally wash off with water.
Wang 725-3770 SKCM Brown, 1995
Zenith 163-73 - SKCM Blue, 1990
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IBM P70 - Alps Plate Spring, 1989
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Re: Alps Appreciation Thread
« Reply #4482 on: Sat, 12 November 2016, 00:36:41 »
I got my Zenith from Wingpad today and I put a ton of hours into it. Cleaning and swapping. Came out really well. Just needs retrobright and it's done. Used a baking powder + vinegar solution on the case to clean it since it's textured and normal methods aren't very effective at removing grime from the crevices. You can see in the before/after pics how well the baking soda did. After cleaning I then swapped in the SKCL Striped Amber's and Green's. Types beautifully now. The one snag I ran into is with the led's. Turns out in the Z-150 they have them oriented in the opposite direction compared to the ZKB-2/163-73 so at first none of the led's worked since they were backwards lol.
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That's that I already cleaned a layer of grime off of it in the first place... At least you didn't have to clean the caps and the plate because I already did those, haha. Looks really nice, though. Hope you enjoy it... if not, I'd love to have a go on it again now ;)
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Re: Alps Appreciation Thread
« Reply #4483 on: Sat, 12 November 2016, 00:50:27 »
That's that I already cleaned a layer of grime off of it in the first place... At least you didn't have to clean the caps and the plate because I already did those, haha. Looks really nice, though. Hope you enjoy it... if not, I'd love to have a go on it again now ;)
That must of been the top layer lol. Cleaning the case actually still took a lot of time/effort. The texture makes it a pita to get a deep clean like I did. Retrobright will make it look factory fresh ;)

Got my nifty SKCL Grey off of the Zenith for my now 100% complete switch tester. Also the original green led from the SKCL Yellow is Grey when it's off interestingly enough.

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Re: Alps Appreciation Thread
« Reply #4484 on: Sat, 12 November 2016, 01:27:05 »
With the finding of SKCL Striped Amber, now nobody else can have a truly complete switch tester :(
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Re: Alps Appreciation Thread
« Reply #4485 on: Sat, 12 November 2016, 06:51:50 »
Love the whole package! Understated awesomeness. And I love that tree logo, especially compared to the lightning logo. Suits the board just right.

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Re: Alps Appreciation Thread
« Reply #4486 on: Sat, 12 November 2016, 07:31:29 »
With the finding of SKCL Striped Amber, now nobody else can have a truly complete switch tester :(

I mean, I could! I'm really not a fan of switch testers though because they're not really representative of how it feels to type on any of the sampled switches. It's kind of like zooming into just the individual dots of a piece of art drawn using stippling. You don't really get that full effect.

So I never really cared to put one together. Even functionally, like having the switches on my Lightpad, for example, it would be a bit awkward to use it with a different switch on every key, haha.

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Re: Alps Appreciation Thread
« Reply #4487 on: Sat, 12 November 2016, 08:10:19 »
*Zenith*
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Re: Alps Appreciation Thread
« Reply #4488 on: Mon, 14 November 2016, 16:18:47 »
Starting to get used to the Zenith. Took some time coming from tactile/clicky Alps.

Can't decide on whether or not to use the buzzer. Right now I'm not because I want to hear the lovely sound of Alps on PBT caps.
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Re: Alps Appreciation Thread
« Reply #4489 on: Mon, 14 November 2016, 18:15:05 »
Starting to get used to the Zenith. Took some time coming from tactile/clicky Alps.

Can't decide on whether or not to use the buzzer. Right now I'm not because I want to hear the lovely sound of Alps on PBT caps.
The repeat function kills it for me. It's too annoying. Otherwise it would've been acceptable for me.
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Re: Alps Appreciation Thread
« Reply #4490 on: Mon, 14 November 2016, 18:20:47 »
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Re: Alps Appreciation Thread
« Reply #4491 on: Mon, 14 November 2016, 18:45:30 »
While taking apart the SKCL Yellows from the Zenith I found this interesting. 3 different bottom housings are used. Small logo, large logo, and no logo. All the switches have Alps top branding btw. The date on the Zenith is 11/90, so right around the transition period for 2nd gen switches.
Wang 725-3770 SKCM Brown, 1995
Zenith 163-73 - SKCM Blue, 1990
KBP V60 MTS - SKCM Amber w/ Canon HiPros
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IBM P70 - Alps Plate Spring, 1989
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Re: Alps Appreciation Thread
« Reply #4492 on: Tue, 15 November 2016, 07:56:39 »
@E3E: I agree with you about the limited utility of switch testers. I find that I need the context of a complete keyboard in order to form a full impression of a given type of switch. Moreover, the sound and feel of the switches varies from one keyboard to another and from one region to another on the same board. That said, it is impractical to test a wide variety switches on complete keyboards, and so a switch tester provides a starting point for comparing multiple types of switches with one another.


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Re: Alps Appreciation Thread
« Reply #4493 on: Tue, 15 November 2016, 09:07:46 »
@E3E: I agree with you about the limited utility of switch testers. I find that I need the context of a complete keyboard in order to form a full impression of a given type of switch. Moreover, the sound and feel of the switches varies from one keyboard to another and from one region to another on the same board. That said, it is impractical to test a wide variety switches on complete keyboards, and so a switch tester provides a starting point for comparing multiple types of switches with one another.
Yeah, absolutely agreed. I try holding out on switches I haven't tried in a full board because it's so easy to get a wrong picture from a loose switch or even a whole keypad full. You have to use them, type on them to really know. But for comparison reasons, a switch tester like this can be quite useful indeed.
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Re: Alps Appreciation Thread
« Reply #4494 on: Tue, 15 November 2016, 12:49:22 »
@E3E: I agree with you about the limited utility of switch testers. I find that I need the context of a complete keyboard in order to form a full impression of a given type of switch. Moreover, the sound and feel of the switches varies from one keyboard to another and from one region to another on the same board. That said, it is impractical to test a wide variety switches on complete keyboards, and so a switch tester provides a starting point for comparing multiple types of switches with one another.

Switch testers are fascinating kits to have.
However, the keyboard experience is holistic just like how you enjoy a piece of steak in a restaurant: the steak itself (non-GMO certified vs organic vs Japanese Kobe), the seasoning, the preparation (Chinese restaurant, Italian restaurant, etc) , the serving, the environment and your mood.
P.s. I'm a vegetarian.

Now I have to think about lubing the Alps switches on the newly arrived SGI Granite (luckily everything in really good condition) because the Alps SKCM creme dampened switches (or are they white instead??) are not as smooth as what I remember them to be.
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Re: Alps Appreciation Thread
« Reply #4495 on: Tue, 15 November 2016, 12:51:07 »
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Re: Alps Appreciation Thread
« Reply #4496 on: Tue, 15 November 2016, 13:22:27 »
@E3E: I agree with you about the limited utility of switch testers. I find that I need the context of a complete keyboard in order to form a full impression of a given type of switch. Moreover, the sound and feel of the switches varies from one keyboard to another and from one region to another on the same board. That said, it is impractical to test a wide variety switches on complete keyboards, and so a switch tester provides a starting point for comparing multiple types of switches with one another.

Switch testers are fascinating kits to have.
However, the keyboard experience is holistic just like how you enjoy a piece of steak in a restaurant: the steak itself (non-GMO certified vs organic vs Japanese Kobe), the seasoning, the preparation (Chinese restaurant, Italian restaurant, etc) , the serving, the environment and your mood.
P.s. I'm a vegetarian.

Now I have to think about lubing the Alps switches on the newly arrived SGI Granite (luckily everything in really good condition) because the Alps SKCM creme dampened switches (or are they white instead??) are not as smooth as what I remember them to be.

they could be dampened whites?  I think.  I've only ever seen dampened whites/creams in the four or five SGI's that I've had

I've investigated by opening up one of them - they're without slits, so damped white instead of damped cream.
And these SKCM white (bamboo?) damped are so scratchy - more scratchy than my PLUM Topre-clone 35g and quite a bit rougher than my taste prefers.

Has someone compared damped cream vs damped white? Are they very different?
I'm trying to look for that cushioned bottoming out and smooth tactile bump experience again - without so much noise.
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Wishlist: 1) nice thick Alps caps; 2) Cherry profile POM;
More
Wishful-list: 1) We order from keyboard-layout-editor.com; 2) usable Trackpoint module for all keyboards
IBM M13 black
NeXT non-ADB keyboard (AAE)
HHKB Pro 2 HasuBT
[~90WPM, in love with Emacs, and Lisp]

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Re: Alps Appreciation Thread
« Reply #4497 on: Tue, 15 November 2016, 13:45:33 »
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Re: Alps Appreciation Thread
« Reply #4498 on: Tue, 15 November 2016, 14:32:48 »
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@E3E: I agree with you about the limited utility of switch testers. I find that I need the context of a complete keyboard in order to form a full impression of a given type of switch. Moreover, the sound and feel of the switches varies from one keyboard to another and from one region to another on the same board. That said, it is impractical to test a wide variety switches on complete keyboards, and so a switch tester provides a starting point for comparing multiple types of switches with one another.

Sir, have you been drinking tonight?

Switch testers are fascinating kits to have.
However, the keyboard experience is holistic just like how you enjoy a piece of steak in a restaurant: the steak itself (non-GMO certified vs organic vs Japanese Kobe), the seasoning, the preparation (Chinese restaurant, Italian restaurant, etc) , the serving, the environment and your mood.
P.s. I'm a vegetarian.

Now I have to think about lubing the Alps switches on the newly arrived SGI Granite (luckily everything in really good condition) because the Alps SKCM creme dampened switches (or are they white instead??) are not as smooth as what I remember them to be.

they could be dampened whites?  I think.  I've only ever seen dampened whites/creams in the four or five SGI's that I've had

I've investigated by opening up one of them - they're without clits, so probably white instead of cream, damped.
And these SKCM white (bamboo?) damped are so scratchy - more scratchy than my PLUM Topre-clone 35g.

Has someone compared damped cream vs damped white? Are they very different?
I'm trying to look for that cushioned bottoming out and smooth tactile bump experience again - without so much noise.

Dampened whites feel better to me hacing compared with two boards in similar good condition.  Dampened whites aren't too loud to me, but that is a preference.

Funny I think dampened white more than regular white, but I prefer regular creams to the dampened ones

Sir, have you been drinking tonight?
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Re: Alps Appreciation Thread
« Reply #4499 on: Tue, 15 November 2016, 15:29:57 »
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